June 9, 2009

Bits Bucket For June 9, 2009

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Comment by az_lender
2009-06-09 05:48:10

I’m tempted to short the Dow this morning, or buy a put on the Diamonds Index, or however one plays the idea that a temporarily high plateau is about to give way. I guess the put (as opposed to the short) would save me from panicking if it goes against me.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-06-09 06:02:22

You dare to challenge the power of the PPT?

Comment by Jim A.
2009-06-09 06:27:36

Well Ginsberg certainly does….

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-06-09 09:14:08

An interesting play, though risky.

My own bet is lots of “permanent plateaus” in the future as the market will stay range bound at a point high enough to prevent the system from being purged of corruption but low enough for all the “buy and hold” folks of the past decade to never recover.

The only “permanently high plateau” I expect to see is unemployment as we continue to move into the New Future of general underemployment and joblessness while all effort is focused on keeping the bankers happy and perceptions high.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-06-09 09:14:43

Save your money- unless you feel like gambling in a casino with worse odds than Vegas. What’s currently happening in the stock market is completely irrational. It’s simply a flood of money flowing in based not on fundamentals, but hope. Who knows when it will end, or how, but the best thing to do, IMO, is stay the hell out of the way.

Comment by Rancher
2009-06-09 11:34:06

Don’t bet against the house, the house being the
Fed, which can print anything it wants at any time.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 12:55:50

“…the Fed, which can print anything it wants at any time.”

Scroll down a bit to where I posted today’s exchange rates. It appears not all currency traders agree with you.

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Comment by cougar91
2009-06-09 12:05:49

I suspect there will be a sell off toward the end of this month/beginning of next month after End of Quarter statement “painting” by fund managers. But then in Q3 the same thing repeats, frustrating shorts, until October when things fall apart completely and start a new leg down.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 05:51:53

Now that the stock market has started ‘always going up’ again, the impetus for regulatory reform is waning.

Just wait until housing prices start going up again! Then everyone can go back to tallying how rich their home equity wealth gains are making them, and let Wall Street get back to work at skimming off transaction fees.

At any rate, no action is probably a better outcome than creating a SuperCop consolidated Fed. “First do no harm.”

* The Wall Street Journal
* BUSINESS
* JUNE 9, 2009

Finance Reforms Pared Back
White House to Preserve Regulators but Seek Tougher Rules; Avoiding a Political Battle

…sidestepping a major regulatory restructuring could spark criticism that the administration has missed a once-in-a-lifetime chance.

“It’s not only an opportunity, they are avoiding a necessity,” says Hal Scott, a professor at Harvard Law School. “I understand all these political forces — they’ve been obstructing necessary change for decades. But we are in a very serious situation. The regulatory system has demonstrated its inability to function, and I really think its incumbent on somebody to do what’s right.”

Just a few weeks ago, top administration officials hinted they would tackle a reorganization. “I personally believe we need to, and I think the president believes we need to have a much more simplified, consolidated oversight structure,” Treasury Secretary Geithner said in May. “Our system now is too complex.”

Rather than seeking additional consolidation, the administration’s plan now appears to be focused on setting up new rules for containing risk.

Government officials believe that if they fill gaps between agencies and eliminate overlaps, banks and other companies will be less able to shop for light oversight.

“History shows that opportunities for real reform are often short-lived,” Federal Reserve Governor Daniel Tarullo, who has close ties to the White House, said in a speech Monday. “Momentum can too easily be lost, and the return of better times too easily leads to complacency.”

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 06:53:57

PB,

Thus yielding all the pain we’ve been subjected to, utterly irrelevant. I’m not nearly as concerned about the SEC as I am about the REIC. For most, stock ownership is limited to 401k’s ( if ‘that’ ) yet nearly everyone owns a home or at least would like to.

The chances of having a specific retirement setback due to an “Enron Event” are actually pretty slim. Just ask the families that worked for Portland General and you’ll quickly get the picture it can be a devastating experience.

Yet -everyone- that buys a home takes the shaft! Where they need to start is with the HUD Good Faith Estimate and look at each and every Line Item and determine which ones are legit and which ones are fluff, or fluffed UP! But no Cartel members want to tackle the issue b/c it’s too easy to simply say, “This is all very complicated stuff”.

 
Comment by Jon
2009-06-09 09:03:49

So who’s going to pay the Congress critters the money it takes to get reelected? You? Me? or the bankers & NAR?

If you want “hope” to turn into “change” you have to be prepared to organize & pony up the big bucks. Otherwise, grab your ankles and get what you deserve.

Comment by BanteringBear
2009-06-09 09:19:13

Campaign finance reform is the only thing that will lead to change for the better in this country. That’s it.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 09:42:31

I guess you have concluded US law has been usurped by political expediency. Or maybe it has always been this way?

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 10:14:00

Professor Bear,

And I can’t agree fast enough. Should being treated fairly in a home purchase mean that consumers have to amass a war chest that rivals NAR?

In the end we could argue that home prices crashed simply BECAUSE of their death grip on Congress? Hmm… how’s ‘that’ for brightening your day? I feel better already.

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Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 12:51:51

It could be that the movers and shakers have started to get a look at what a C.O.D./cash-only, “living-within-what-passes-for-as-means” economy is going to look like, and have peed their pants.

Thus, the talk of “green shoots” and “jobs created by stimulus spending”……nobody wants to admit the truth, that 90% of the population is basically fooked.

Charlie Manson’s vision of “Helter Skelter” was a few years early.

The good news……..so many people have been cut loose in the aviation business, that the Gulfstream/Falcon/Global Express lifeboats for the movers and shakers will probably be broke when they really need them. Thus, the first class passengers will go down with the ship, along with the folks in Steerage.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 09:44:13

The stock market may be ‘always going up’ again, but not so much the dollar. At least it is holding steady against the Zimbabwe currency unit.

From Bloomberg dot com:

CURRENCY VALUE CHANGE % CHANGE TIME
EUR-USD 1.4037 0.0137 0.9856% 12:23
GBP-USD 1.6294 0.0242 1.5108% 12:23
USD-CHF 1.0807 -0.0108 -0.9915% 12:23
USD-SEK 7.6949 -0.1573 -2.0027% 12:23
USD-DKK 5.3033 -0.0534 -0.9966% 12:23
USD-NOK 6.3425 -0.0986 -1.5302% 12:23
USD-CZK 19.0590 -0.3074 -1.5873% 12:23
USD-SKK 21.4590 -0.2137 -0.9862% 12:23
USD-PLN 3.1911 -0.0604 -1.8561% 12:23
USD-HUF 200.0940 -5.7688 -2.8022% 12:24
USD-RUB 31.1120 -0.2897 -0.9226% 12:23
USD-TRY 1.5484 -0.0089 -0.5731% 12:23
USD-ILS 3.9355 -0.0438 -1.0994% 12:16
USD-KES 77.7120 0.0125 0.0161% 10:05
USD-ZAR 8.0900 -0.0730 -0.8937% 12:23
USD-MAD 8.0320 -0.0764 -0.9428% 12:23
USD-ZWD 12626262016.0000 0.0000 0.0000% 02/02

 
Comment by james
2009-06-09 11:20:06

Get the feeling the US is like a junkie. Our teeth are falling out, we’ve got some kind of rash that is oozing puss, you can see our bones through our shirts, been sleeping on the streets and have bad case of fleas, hair is falling out.

Rather than deal with our addiction we went to the other “doctor” for one more shot.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-06-09 17:23:29

Couldn’t think of a more perfect analogy.

 
Comment by neuromance
2009-06-09 17:50:43

Until the junkie collapses, no serious change will likely be possible.

The status quo is what the social, financial, and political elite are trying to preserve, as it has served them handsomely.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 19:43:12

Many junkies don’t stop until they are dead. I have seen it up close and personal in my own family. Hopefully Uncle Sam is not going to follow in their footsteps.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2009-06-09 20:42:19

Prof:

But why do we allow they to take others with them? Why do we allow them to mug steal and hurt people for drugs?

It would be safe to just allow them to have free drugs in a gated community/slum/hospital.

Hmm gated mc mansion drug dens….

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-06-09 05:58:01

It seems that there is at least a modicum of sanity left in this country. Too bad that it had to go to the Supreme court, in order for that sanity to show some respect for the Chrysler creditors.
Its a good thing that we do not live in a tyranical state where the president can order companies into bankruptcy at his whim…
/sarcasm.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-06-09 06:33:40

You obviously didn’t get the memo.

Obama is the new “decider.” Like his predecessor, he only follows laws that suit him. Current bankruptcy law doesn’t suit him, so he’ll ignore it.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-06-09 08:10:10

Current BK law is BS newly designed to be good for corps really bad for individuals. Yea for corps-woo hoo

test?

Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-06-09 08:24:19

If you invest your hard earned cash into a corporation, you would like to know that there is a structured way that you are going to get paid back, otherwise why invest?
I have told family members with considerable sums to move their investments elsewhere, and forget about investing in the US until the established creditor order is respected. Until then there is no guarantee that you will get at least part of your money back.
There are several stories about GM bondholders that had invested and were getting cents on the thousand. Granted that you are liable to lose your investment but you also agreed to a lower interest rate in exchange for a better position if/when BK happens. That is not what is going on here. The third in line creditors are getting pushed to the top, and the top in line creditors are getting less than the third in line. In fact the third in line did what would be jeered at in any queue… They jumped ahead helped by the usher.
This will not end well.

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Comment by Neil
2009-06-09 12:08:34

This will not end well.
No it will not. I pointed out to a friend why his pension will be cut due to the Chrysler BK. He was shocked… but when you lay out what has been decided (we’ll see if the Supreme court upholds the law or not) and the consequences of investment… His employer is going to be hit even though they do nothing in the automotive area.

Oh… this friend *was* really for what was being done to the Chrysler bond holders until I laid out the consequences to him. Then it was about ‘unfair punishment.’ I laughed and asked him to put his entire 401k into Chrysler/GM/his employer’s bonds under the new rules. The white face said it all.

Everyone should read “The Lexus and the Olive Tree” as well is “The world is flat.” The consequences of changing the laws ‘after the fact’ are well known and harsh. Lots of little investors worldwide are now making decisions that will hurt the US due to the Chrysler/GM bondholders getting screwed.

There is a reason the 3rd world has trouble earning investment… when the returns *should* be much better than the US. You either have the ‘rule of law’ or you do not. As already noted, this will not end well.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
Comment by josemanolo7
2009-06-09 13:02:12

you can have all that nice rule of law you want, but without the muscles to back it up, you can keep dreaming of those investments.

 
Comment by MossySF
2009-06-10 01:26:21

I liken the Chrysler and GM situations to houses in foreclosure. Say a bank is in the bag big time for a house underwater. They can either approve a short-sale and get out with a 30% loss. Or they can foreclose, get the 30% loss and also pay another 20% ontop of it for legal fees and so on.

Senior, secured Chrysler/GM bondholders are in the same situation. Put them in line first to get attempt to get 100% of their holdings and they will end up with nothing. Seriously, where’s the value in Chrylser or GM? A bunch of factories and parts in Michigan? Hell, there’s plenty of worthless factories and supplies in that state already. Who would buy or lease that crap? At best, you’d could melt down parts and sell on the commodities market for a few pennies.

So you might say the bankruptcy judge — for better or worse — has forced the bondholders into the short-sale situation. Bondholders may be crying foul because they’re only getting 30 cents on the dollar but if they were first in line in Chapter 7, they’d get 2 cents on the dollar. And without the cooperation of the government and UAW, the alternative was Chapter 7.

(Why anyone would put so much money into Chrysler / GM bonds in the first place — you might say this is a tax on the stupid. I hope they bought at a big discount versus paying face value.)

 
 
 
 
Comment by Al
2009-06-09 06:34:40

“Its a good thing that we do not live in a tyranical state where the president can order companies into bankruptcy at his whim…”

Technically since the government became a major creditor, it could force the bankruptcy legally. I figure they made those stupid loans in the first place to give themselves an air of legitimacy while they dictated terms on the future of Chrysler. Guess they shouldn’t have taken the secured creditors for granted.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-06-09 07:21:40

Wasn’t Chrysler already on its way to Chapter 7 and the guys(Dan Quayle?) from Cerebus called up the White House to see if they could help out?

 
 
Comment by Rancher
2009-06-09 05:59:04

Krugman’s comments yesterday stopped the fall, so
today we need another nice juicy comment from some
idiot to keep the market in place….hope we run out
of idjets soon…..

Comment by desertdweller
2009-06-09 08:11:14

Yep, guess the decline is all over, according to Krugman.

Over for whom?

Comment by BanteringBear
2009-06-09 09:31:08

I have no idea what Krugman was smoking yesterday, but he needs to put it down. He seems to be smart, but then says some of the most braindead things. When crude was around $140 barrel, he went out of his way to write an article to explain why “oil is not in a bubble”. Unbelievable how somebody of his stature could get things so wrong when just he average person can see so clearly what’s going on.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-06-09 17:26:45

He was smoking green shoots, duh.

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Comment by bananarepublic
2009-06-09 10:43:22

Krugman is no idiot. His comments about this debacle have been excellent, and he has been far more honest that most in the media.

Comment by james
2009-06-09 11:27:47

Just a little history note. Krugman got it wrong as well for a long time. In his speaches, he admits he didn’t know what the shadow banking industry was and how bad things would get.

Way back a long time ago, in 06-07 Krugman was in the “contained” school of thought after the subprime debacle. He underestimated the amount of leverage and decline of credit standards.

Calculated Risk, The Mess that Greenspan Made, and Mish’s Global economic trends had a much better handle on this.

Krugman is getting hype because he is a liberal and liberal is the flavor de jour.

Don’t get all crazy hero worship like on the guy.

Comment by bananarepublic
2009-06-09 12:15:12

Provide some links to back up your claims. My recollection is a lot different than yours.

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Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 12:54:22

A liberal writing for the NYT, with a Nobel Prize (deserved or not).

It’s not news, unless it’s in the NYT.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 14:16:49

“deserved or not”

Any time I see this statement, I suspect the writer does not understand the amount of work involved in winning one of them Nobel Prizes.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 06:01:49

The brown stuff appears to be hitting the rotating blades now in CA state government operations.

BTW, is there any evidence that kids can learn by staring at a computer screen? I have yet to see any, unless you consider playing Club Penguin and Roblox and feeding Neopets educational.

Rise of the machines: Arnold Schwarzenegger terminates school books and tells pupils to go digital

By Daily Mail Reporter
Last updated at 1:49 PM on 09th June 2009

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger: California is facing a $24billion budget deficit

He’s saved the world numerous times on film, he’s helped California battle devastating forest fires, and now Arnold Schwarzenegger has a plan to save his state’s failing economy - by terminating text books.

The governor is telling children to give up the schoolbooks and turn to digital lessons to help the state avoid bankruptcy.

Jokingly telling a press conference that large books are now only suitable to be used for weightlifting (biceps curls in particular), he said: ‘Textbooks are outdated, in my opinion.’

He continued: ‘For so many years, we’ve been trying to teach the kids exactly the same way.

‘Our kids get their information from the internet, downloaded onto their iPods, and in Twitter feeds to their cell phones … Basically, kids are feeling as comfortable with their electronic devices as I was with my pencils and crayons.

‘So why are California’s school students still forced to lug around antiquated, heavy, expensive textbooks?’

Comment by crash1
2009-06-09 06:08:25

Is he still driving a Hummer?

Comment by rms
2009-06-09 06:36:04

Is he still driving a Hummer?

Likely, and it probably has an Earth First bumper sticker too.

Comment by whyoung
2009-06-09 07:30:08

If i remember correctly, he put money into bringing the hummer to the civilian market

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Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2009-06-09 08:29:14

A few years ago I read that Arnold loves the Hummer so much he has eleven of them, as well as other cars.

My friends and I saw him at the Ferrari display at the LA auto show last Fall. He was allowed inside the roped off area. The “little people” of course, were not allowed inside…

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-06-09 06:14:54

As usual…they got it bassackwards…should be starting at the top of the education food chain: ;-)

Any college 101 text book 2009: $87.90

Change x3 paragraphs, put a new picture on the cover, re-size the binding =

A new college 101 text book for 2010: $107.40

repeat, rinse, wash…

Comment by combotechie
2009-06-09 06:42:42

If it’s a math book they just change the variables in the equations which changes the answers which makes the older books obsolete.

Comment by rms
2009-06-09 06:51:42

+1 LMAO!

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Comment by Groundhogday
2009-06-09 10:24:08

I don’t know if you are joking, but this is correct. My dad wrote a college math text and the publisher required that they release (require) revised editions every couple of years that were essentially the same but with slightly different examples, page numbers etc… The game was to cut out the used book sales.

But in case you are wondering, there is almost no money for faculty in this game unless you write a widely used classic. My dad figured out after the fact that he earned less than $1/hr to write the book, only pennies/book go to the writer, the rest to the publisher.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 12:59:59

“…he earned less than $1/hr to write the book…”

Did the book go on his resume? The reputation building effect of writing books on one’s future earnings potential may far outweigh the direct income from the writer’s share of the sales proceeds.

 
Comment by Groundhogday
2009-06-09 14:56:10

Actually intro text books are viewed as “not serious” accomplishments in mathematics (and many other disciplines). If you write a seminal textbook in a specialty area it can really help with national exposure, recruiting grad students, etc… but not so with intro math books which are a dime a dozen.

He would have been much better off writing peer-reviewed papers. But enjoyed writing the text and I suppose that is why most faculty do it.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-06-09 17:19:33

And one isn’t even allowed to write a book with an original approach. When I was teaching undergrad physics, I had to do one semester course for some low-tech students whose only physics would be that one semester. Why, thought I, should they buy that $80 book suitable for three or four semesters of work? The next time I got one of those publishers’ postcards asking if you’d like to propose a book that should be written, I wrote in saying yes, I’d like to do a one-semester physics book for students whose exposure to the subject would be limited. They asked me to send some sample sections and a table of contents, which I did. Naturally the referees’ complaints were all of one kind: why aren’t you covering this, why aren’t you covering that? Well, duh, because you can’t cover all the traditional undergrad physics material in one semester, so how about a $30 book? No soap radio.

 
 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-06-09 10:33:50

Students were buying the “international” copies from overseas which cost less than half, but are identical. Now from what I understand they re-order the end of chapter quizzes to make them unusable to US students. We pay a premium for our drugs and textbooks. Heh.

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Comment by Wickedheart
2009-06-09 09:35:00

“Any college 101 text book 2009: $87.90″

You’re lucky to find a used one for that.

 
 
Comment by cynicalgirl
2009-06-09 06:31:35

It’s good for the all-important eye-hand coordination skills. Probably comes in handy if you’re going to be a surgeon. Or something.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-06-09 07:01:33

“Or something.”

Ummm, like advanced weapons control specialist?

What was Arnie’s nickname in The Running Man? IIRC, The Butcher of Bakersfield.

 
 
Comment by Asparagus
2009-06-09 06:33:45

The man is a genius.

Why even have teachers, just use video-conferencing. That way, you have one 6th grade math teacher for the entire state.

Why even go to school? Just sit at home on your computer and watch the classes. You could take on-line quizes and tests. We could outsource the correcting of the exams to a India. When the kids have a question, they could go to a chat room, or blog. Sell the buses, no more gas costs, etc, etc…

**Irony Alert!**
[I get most of my financial insite from blogs and discussion boards and am currently taking a course online. I'm very pleased with both. Maybe that would be a good education for some....]

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-06-09 06:46:18

I just finished a Finance course online for my ceu’s and loved it. I could repeat the video lecture, and review things I needed clarification on. Testing wasn’t any different. The cost was more reasonable.

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 07:26:22

awaiting wipeout,

Even the Air Guard does most of their Ed. online now. Everything from “First Aid/Buddy Care” to radar are administrated online.

The only complaint “I” have is that you take the course, finish the exam, print your certificate, only to be told; “We don’t have you down as completed “in the system”?”

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Comment by josemanolo7
2009-06-09 13:09:22

you probably press the X button on the top right corner instead of the Exit button at the bottom of the 4 page scroll.

 
 
Comment by SaladSD
2009-06-09 20:26:40

I took an online driver training course to offset the insurance premium ding from a red light ticket (a $400 ticket for a “California stop” at an empty intersection) I was a bit leery at first, but actually it was quite a fun & informative experience, all things considered. So, to some extent, Arnold’s proposal isn’t that far fetched.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 06:47:34

“Just sit at home on your computer and watch the classes.”

No need to watch any classes, as that will make the kids restless. Take it from me — it is much easier to turn on Roblox and let them blow stuff up in a transfigured state of virtual bliss.

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-06-09 08:28:52

“Why even have teachers, just use video-conferencing. That way, you have one 6th grade math teacher for the entire state.

Why even go to school? Just sit at home on your computer and watch the classes. You could take on-line quizes and tests. We could outsource the correcting of the exams to a India. When the kids have a question, they could go to a chat room, or blog. Sell the buses, no more gas costs, etc, etc…”

This is my day job.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-06-09 16:14:36

MUGGY………….MUGGY

some of us LIKE having a Real Teacher in a REAL classroom

Dont deny us that option….

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Comment by Muggy
2009-06-09 17:31:11

DJ………………DJ

It’s an option, not a mandate. The knee-jerk reaction to virtual education is amazing.

This blog is a perfect example of a small learning community.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-06-09 20:51:32

Muggy:

Lets be honest, sometimes getting out of the house and sitting and talking to other people in person is a fun experience. Sort of like DJ’ing…Do you really think i like leading a conga line? But it beats sitting home all week.

Plus, Its not the same video conferencing. Ok maybe i am still a people person, and not a full time digital nerd……LOL

 
 
 
Comment by sartre
2009-06-09 09:21:07

“Why even have teachers, just use video-conferencing. That way, you have one 6th grade math teacher for the entire state.”

Very good idea actually, this way you can get the best f’ing 6th grade math teacher in the state and pay him like a movie star and still come out ahead.

Comment by Al
2009-06-09 10:14:19

“…get the best f’ing 6th grade math teacher in the state…”

Or get a half dozen of the best and let the kids pick the one that they understand.

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Comment by Muggy
2009-06-09 14:11:11

I tried posting earlier, but the state of Florida already has this.

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Comment by In Montana
2009-06-09 14:54:26

It would be even easier to pretend the kids are getting an education than it is now. Win-win, I say.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 06:51:29

Contract Termination Notice

Governor cancels unfilled ‘vendor contracts’
By Jon Ortiz
jortiz@sacbee.com
Published: Tuesday, Jun. 9, 2009 - 12:00 am | Page 3A

California’s budget crisis – and government’s tendency to spend every nickel it can – prompted Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Monday to retroactively cancel contracts with private businesses to save money.

The governor’s executive order terminates so-called “vendor contracts” that haven’t been filled from March 1 through June 30, which is when the state will close its books for the 2008-09 fiscal year.

Administration spokesman Aaron McLear said the governor wants to prevent the practice of “spending to budget,” which happens when a department rushes to spend all its money so that its budget for the coming year won’t be cut.

Schwarzenegger, who is trying to close a $24.3 billion budget hole, also ordered that departments trim their vendor contracts next year by 15 percent.

Officials said they don’t yet know how much money the state will save, because contract data are still coming in from the state’s 150 or so departments.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-06-09 07:21:51

Administration spokesman Aaron McLear said the governor wants to prevent the practice of “spending to budget,”

Could you imagine what would happen if the Pentagon used this strategy, oh my!… :-)

 
Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 07:26:10

It’s about time! The amount of money that “independent contractors” make off taxpayer money is obscene. Especially the tech contractors. Talk about a sector of people that are overpaid…

Comment by In Montana
2009-06-09 08:18:16

well you should see the sh*t they put us through! Especially California, where the red tape is out of this world and even local govt pays sales tax.

We’re in a scuffle with a local govt back east right now where they wanted to cancel something from the contract they hadn’t paid for yet but “keep the money in the budget” so it didn’t go back to the general fund. We said OK and gave them a “credit” and now they want their money back - ??

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Comment by Wickedheart
2009-06-09 09:49:16

“It’s about time! The amount of money that “independent contractors” make off taxpayer money is obscene. Especially the tech contractors. Talk about a sector of people that are overpaid…”

I hear ya. There are a lot of people like that but you never hear about cutting their bloated paychecks, they just complain about how much the worker bees make.

The schools hire independent consultants to run workshops. They are paid roughly a $100,000 for 3 months work. The public buys the line that business is so interested in schools because they want a better educated worker, BULL, they are interested in the money they make off the schools. Textbooks, RE development etc.

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Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 12:02:06

There’s likely 2-3 dozen posters on this board (at least) that fit into this overpaid Fed/state government subcontractors category.

Sometimes I wonder if government subcontractors (including but not only tech geeks) actually do any work. My brother makes $140K annually doing subcontracting work for the Feds and openly admits he works about 20 hours a week.

With his ample spare time, he visits web blogs and plays online games for hours at a time.

 
Comment by rainmayun
2009-06-09 12:14:52

I’m one of those people with “bloated” paychecks. I can assure you, there’s orders of magnitude more waste in IT spending based on bad customer decisions than there is in overpaying the people who work on the projects. The government will nickel and dime you all day on labor categories (which determine hourly rates), and then turn around and scrap a project that they spent 18 months developing.

 
Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 12:56:46

Now that I believe.

I also maintain that there are tens of thousands of independent tech contractors making obscene amounts of money “working” for the Feds.

I’m tired of hearing their drone about wasteful spending (both here and elsewhere) when they are very much part of the problem.

 
Comment by In Montana
2009-06-09 14:59:28

The independents making obscene amounts of money are the consultants, who retire from the govt, go to work for the vendors they met on the job, then set up shop mediating between the two. All they have to do is haul around a boilerplate RFP and doll it up a little for each site. This because the agency IT staff can’t be bothered with new projects.

Sweetheart gig.

 
Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 16:32:38

ANYONE making more than $100K working in a subcontractor/independent consultant role on behalf of the Feds is making an obscene amount of money.

Especially since most never produce anything.

And don’t blame it on the Feds, either. Disgusted by the lack of productivity at the Fed level? Then quit your overpaid contractor/consultant job, and go get a position in the public sector that pays $20-$60K less annually.

No? Then recognize that you are part of the problem and keep your mouth shut. And go look for problems that need to be fixed and go fix ‘em. Do this on your own.

What would private sector employees say if all the overpaid contractors/consultants were lined up on a sidewalk - getting paid $100K plus - all at their expense?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Milkcrate
2009-06-09 08:47:24

Maybe wife Maria will tell her publisher there will be no more books. “Just twitter my prose.”

 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-06-09 09:05:41

“He’s saved the world numerous times on film, he’s helped California battle devastating forest fires, and now Arnold Schwarzenegger has a plan to save his state’s failing economy - by terminating text books. The governor is telling children to give up the schoolbooks and turn to digital lessons to help the state avoid bankruptcy.”

Interesting that John and Ken had on a guest last week that heads a school in Los Angeles that is getting better results with minority students by doing just the opposite of the what the gov is proposing. That school uses no computers, only text books. No theft issues either, unlike with computers. It was on during the the 4 PM hour on 6/3:

http://www.kfi640.com/pages/podcasting/

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-06-09 10:31:52

It’s true. A friend did a proposal where the teachers would write the books based on textbooks. The books could then be open sourced. Using an expensive digital printer w/ binding, they could print textbooks in smaller print (helping students lighten the load of the heavy textbooks), and the students could keep the book at the end of the year. The replacement cost per book would be around $1. And the students could have them in open PDF format. The $2 mil printer would be paid for in less than two years if I remember. And this includes the employees to staff the print shop.

Comment by sfrenter
2009-06-09 12:43:06

Textbooks are BIG business. New adoptions in every subject every 6-7 years in CA. BIG BIG money.

No way is the publishing business going to let that business die. They have deep pockets.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 19:47:15

Was just talking with my lovely wife about the plan to abolish textbooks in CA public schools. She mentioned that our kids’ schools have typically been replacing text books every two years. I can remember using 10-year-old books when I was a wee lad. Most subjects don’t actually change rapidly enough to require a new book every two years.

So are CA public schools headed straight from the two-year-textbook-turnover world to the textbook-free world? It seems like there might be some middle ground between these two extremes, but then I am not a politician, so perhaps I am missing something important here.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 06:12:02

If Wall Street and Detroit received bailouts as rewards for acts which resembled throwing away money, isn’t the largest state similarly qualified?

Barron’s
MONDAY, JUNE 8, 2009
EDITORIAL COMMENTARY
California Screamin’
By THOMAS G. DONLAN

Shortsighted amendments to California’s constitution over the years have brought the state to the brink of bankruptcy. And now the Golden State wants a bailout from Uncle Sam.

WHO REMEMBERS WHY ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER wanted to be governor of California? Something about troubled state finances and a governor who couldn’t cope. The “governator” probably also doesn’t remember, or doesn’t want to remember, because state finances are much worse. He, too, can’t cope, after presiding over a 40% increase in state spending.

Last week he told the legislature that the day of reckoning is here: “Our wallet is empty. Our bank is closed. Our credit is dried up.”

With good reason, lenders no longer trust California to pay its bills. State Controller John Chang said California will run out of cash by the end of July, and it probably can’t borrow more without putting a new budget deal in place by June 15.

State voters last month turned down a series of referendums authorizing tax increases and borrowing to close a gap in the state budget for fiscal 2010, most recently estimated at $24 billion, but growing.

“People are writing California off,” Schwarzenegger said to the legislature. “They are talking about the end of the California dream. They don’t believe that we in this room have the courage and the determination to do what needs to be done or that the state is even manageable.”

He got that right, anyway.

Comment by Asparagus
2009-06-09 06:39:45

Is it time for California to break up? Northern and Southern?

IMHO, they are under-represented in the Senate and over-represented in the electoral college.

Do Californians still talk about that? (apologies if you talk about it here all the time. I tend to pass over most of the Cali discussions, [self-centered b@st@rd!!] ).

Comment by combotechie
2009-06-09 06:44:38

Let’s see if we can speed up the activity at the San Andreas fault.

Comment by Asparagus
2009-06-09 06:49:38

Oh boy! (LMAO)

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-06-09 08:18:47

Just hiked with friends in the fault yesterday. The fault breaks open and water bubbles up forming a pond and creek, lots of age old palms. Very wonderful nature preserve.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-06-09 10:23:40

Ooooh, neat-o. I saw an aerial photo of the San Andreas fault, perhaps the part you’re talking about, it looked like a giant zipper in the face of the desert, miles and miles, and indeed large palms and other green stuff marched along the ‘zipper’, being fed by water that bubbled to the surface along it.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-06-09 10:50:40

When that piece breaks off, it’s going to be more than just your garden variety earthquake. The entire world will feel it.

 
Comment by combotechie
2009-06-09 12:10:18

“The fault breaks open and water bubbles up forming a pond and creek …”

The same phenom formed the La Brea tar pits, except it’s oil that bubbles up instead of water.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-06-09 17:30:31

“When that piece breaks off”

…but it’s a transverse fault. (Western) California will not float away into the ocean, it’ll just be displaced slightly to the north, relative to eastern California. Yes, there’s a potential for “The Big One” but the displacement is not likely to occur along the entire S.A. fault at one time.

 
 
 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2009-06-09 06:51:45

It’s time for Clownifornia to declare bankruptcy. Maybe Fiat, the Chinese or some vulture fund will buy them out. If no offers come in put ‘em on Ebay.

Comment by Matthew
2009-06-09 08:00:50

Careful what you wish for… The USA would drop off a cliff economically without CA… CA’s economy provides substantially more taxes than it receives to the tune of about $50-60 Billion or more.. by far and away the largest net contributor to Washington …

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Comment by Matthew
2009-06-09 08:06:52

As a matter of fact, if you want to wish for anything, wish for the South to secede from the Union.. it would be a huuuuuuge net gain to this country financially… Texas can be the first out the door for all I care… and they can take the Cowboys with them..

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-06-09 08:07:30

I’m not sure whether or not that was intended as sarcasm, but… even if what you assert is completely true, all the taxpayers, both private and corporate, would still be on the hook to Uncle Sam. Yes there would be somewhat reduced federal tax receipts from CA state employees and contractors doing business with the state, but hardly a crippling blow. Life would go on, in CA and elsewhere.

 
Comment by scdave
2009-06-09 09:29:17

Your exactly right Mathew…

 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 10:37:28

“….provides substantially more taxes….”

Yeah, well get back with me on that number in a couple of years, if/when all the REIC, pyramid, and ponzi schemes get unwound.

50% California (vs. Flyover Country) pay premiums were mainly due to “the cost of living” (spelled “bubble housing prices”). As the “California house premium” is falling back to historic norms as we speak, I expect that California payscales will adjust accordingly.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2009-06-09 11:41:35

and exactly what percent of $1,000,000,000,000 is $50,000,000,000? (I love to write out the zeros)

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2009-06-09 12:57:06

It’s 5%. And Florida & Texas are right there with CA as a net contributor to the Feds. It really has to do with population more than anything else.

 
Comment by josemanolo7
2009-06-09 13:31:03

matthew, be realistic. the fed can easily *create* that amount every year and won’t affect its credit worthiness for decades.

 
 
Comment by LA-Architect
2009-06-09 08:23:14

Please…. I wouldn’t be so smug…. At least people in this state know how to punch voting ballots!!!!

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Comment by Matthew
2009-06-09 08:34:31

One last comment on this… “Miami”… paaleese… you must recognize that your opinins are substantially discounted because of this… and, there is a reason for that..

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Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 10:04:40

The Republicans cut taxes by Propositions.

The Democrats force spending, via lawsuit and perpetual majority in most state offices.

Bug, meet windshield.

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Comment by scdave
2009-06-09 09:27:07

time for California to break up ??

The hell with that…Lets just go all the way and secede from the Union…We would be much better off IMO…First order of business, create our own immigration policy…

 
 
Comment by michael
2009-06-09 07:14:12

hmmm…the lyrics to Tool’s song “Aenema” come to mind.

i would post them here but there are alot of wirty dirds in there…but sitll a great song.

Comment by robiscrazy
2009-06-09 11:20:07

Doesn’t the cover of this album depict the half of CA west of the fault sliding into the pacific ocean?

 
 
Comment by Big V
2009-06-09 07:32:47

I remeber Ahnold saying that he should be governor because he would put a stop to the practice of paying for everything with borrowed money. That didn’t last long, did it? Maybe it would be better to have someone who’s not an actual movie star as the freaking governor.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-06-09 08:20:39

Oh wait, lets have a “movie star” for a gov then pres. Lets talk economy.
A continuing legacy of economic ruination for all but the wealthy connected.
Must be somewhere in the scripts they read.

Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 08:41:58

And, let’s have a community organizer to ensure that all of this country’s 275 million minions will have no choice but to cede their existence to elistists in Washington DC, New York and Los Angeles.

In a collective sort of way. To continue the legacy of economic ruination for all but the wealthy connected.

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Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 08:45:02

You guys tossed Grey Davis out on his bum, did you not?

Can’t you axe Arnold in the same way? After all, the third time’s the charm.

Comment by max4me
2009-06-09 08:54:20

well Davis cut the funding for the educators and so it was their wrath that really kicked him out.

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Comment by scdave
2009-06-09 09:33:17

their wrath that really kicked him out ??

YEP !!! Its the government employee unions that run this state…Its really that simple…Thats why it needs to go broke…Starve the BEAST…

 
 
Comment by Steve W
2009-06-09 09:03:54

As I am an outsider a question–is Arnold really the problem? Or the state assembly? From my read he’s far from perfect but the legislature seems incapable of getting together and making the hard decisions necessary to get the state back on track.

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Comment by Skip
2009-06-09 09:10:12

I think the citizens of California should have some responsibility for the problems.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-06-09 09:51:34

“I think the citizens of California should have some responsibility for the problems.”

Of course they should bear responsibility. They complain about the horrific budget crisis, the deteriorating conditions, taxes, etc., then call up their underpaid illegal alien gardener, housekeeper, and handyman to come help them with their oversized, overpriced sh!tbox. These people are living in a fantasy.

 
Comment by robiscrazy
2009-06-09 11:16:28

Steve and Skip,

You are both correct. The Executive branch has very little control over the budget here in CA. The California legislature is a better place to point blame and per Skip the CA people as they voted YES for every bond issue that came down the pipe in previous years.

We also have very little wiggle room in the budget due to the majority of programs being mandated. That is they cannot be cut.

 
Comment by josemanolo7
2009-06-09 13:36:03

stoopid bonds written to spend but never specified where funding will come from other than somewhere, who cares.

 
Comment by SaladSD
2009-06-09 20:41:21

I Always vote against these propositions– even when they pander to “saving the children” and “save us from rampaging criminals”, yaddah yaddah–when it’s clear that there is no way to pay for it without floating yet another bond i.e. debt. The voter pamphlets the Registrar provides to explain each proposition and the financial implications are quite thorough, but it’s clear that few voters read them.

 
Comment by robiscrazy
2009-06-09 21:25:02

Yup Salad. 20-something years of voting for me and I’ve NEVER voted yes on any bond issue here in CA. NEVER!

 
 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-06-09 09:29:55

b..b..but Arnold, THINK of the Image of ALL the Beautiful Rich Sun People, oh mighty Gropinator, if CA falls to budgeting, borrowing and stealing.

The Image repercussions are not just limited to all of our cherished California paperwork millionaires but those living the good sun life in Nevada, Arizona and Florida. All the wannabe rich lounging in the McMansions by the pools, in ‘good” neighborhoods with fancy cars living on sucide loans, OPM and Credit Cards.

Sheesh Arnold…Save California…if the all Beautiful Sun People go down, who will you hobnob with for your photo ops?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 06:15:51

Radar Logic data shows San Diego prices remain sticky above $200/sq ft. I plan to rent forever if prices don’t correct below this level, as cheap rentals are sure to remain available for the next fifty years if prices remain this unaffordable.

Comment by Big V
2009-06-09 07:36:37

That’s because it’s becoming summer. Prices will not stop falling y-o-y for a while.

Comment by Neil
2009-06-09 08:00:51

Big V, you nailed it.

But wait… the peak selling season is already fadding. Oh, it has some legs until August… September is a transistional month.

Just wait for this October-February. Its going to be a brave new world.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-06-09 08:26:48

Hopefully, BigV.

Here is a question. Many here are way under the retirement-ish age/62-65. Or another way to look at this is as we age, moving from rental to rental is not only expensive, it is hard on our bodies.
So, at some point, wouldn’t ‘we’ rather settle down in one place than consider renting for life?
That said, mom rents but in a seniors complex, so unless the corporate owners of said complex sell out, she is safe from having to move until as she says, “she is moving next time feet first”.

I dislike moving/packing etc. Ick.

Talk amongst yourselves.

Comment by Big V
2009-06-09 08:31:42

Yeah, I know. You have to choose between the lesser of 2 evils. Buy a house you can’t afford with destructive financing and get foreclosed on before moving into your next rental, or just rent a house you can afford to begin with. That’s what’s wrong with allowing/encouraging bubbles like this to grow. That’s what a lot of ppl on this blog have been saying for a long time.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 09:01:18

“So, at some point, wouldn’t ‘we’ rather settle down in one place than consider renting for life?”

I can think of a few other ways I would prefer to spend my retirement than fixing toilets and mowing the lawn, but to each his own I suppose…

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Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 09:45:36

PB,

It’s really *not ‘that’ simple. If you’ve ever had to help move someone in the upper age brackets, well let’s just say it isn’t easy. First thing prior is to rent a dumpster.

I’ve taken a lot of heat and been treated w/ a LOT of indifference when I was forced to buy. Not to beat it to death but renting isn’t the simple act it once was. Everything is “in play” and ther isn’t (1) Accidental LL that wouldn’t throw you under the bus for a nickel over their c/b.

Moving on short-notice isn’t ‘my’ idea of a great retirement.

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-06-09 09:56:30

Is yard care typically included with rental houses in CA? What about other states? Perhaps renters from different states can weigh in. The reason I ask is my mom is in a rental, and I’m calling BS on the landlords requiring her to maintain the yard which includes overgrown trees, shrubs, etc. She had to remove a dangerous limb from a tree. Her landlords SUCK.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 11:29:29

BanteringBear,

‘That’ I can’t answer. I will say however that be it relatives or clients, that’s going to be a question I ASK from now on!

Other than keeping the lawn mowed, I can’t see how that level of maint. should be expected? Especially from someone that’s elderly.

Personally I’ve given up on -ever- paying off my primary residence. My objective now is to find a lot/acreage, build a sensible and efficient, one level home and pay ‘that’ OFF! It was after all, in my estimations, a ‘land’ bubble.

 
Comment by Big V
2009-06-09 12:59:22

Dear Conversating Ursidae:

Your mom just has to water the plants so they don’t die. If a limb falls on something and damages it, then the LL is responsible for the damages, although that would probably not help you much if it fell on your mom and killed her or something. The only time I ever maintained my yard was when I was getting cheap rent. Even then, I hardly ever mowed my lawn because my cats like to play in tall grass.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-06-09 14:41:31

In Florida, lawn care is a negotiable point with renters. Some landlords take care of it as part of the rent, some require the renters to do it. Heck, in some cases, renters have to pay water. But you have to weigh the costs. If the rent is cheap enough, why not pay for the lawn and water?

Of course, as we’re learning here in the Tampa Bay area, water is not a fixed cost, even if your consumption is more or less fixed. If the local water authority contracts with a lousy engineering firm and a lousy contractor, you end up having to pay twice for the lousy reservoir that leaks like a sieve.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/jun/04/reservoir-repairs-could-top-125-million/news-metro/

And so, the water bills go up to pay for it.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2009-06-09 16:59:22

I pay for my gardener, and pay for water, but that was clearly discussed with my landlord before I signed the lease.

Overall, I have a great landlord. He doesn’t bother me, I don’t bother him (except his wife will occasionally bring me some home-grown tomatoes and fresh basil from their garden). I’ve been in the house for 5 years and he has raised my rent by a cumulative 9%. Some say this is a lot, I say it is far less than inflation over the same period of time.

I could probably grind him down to what I was paying originally, but I’m looking for a new home to rent, and finding slim pickin’s in the neighborhood where I want to be…the big problem is that most homes I’m seeing are with unintentional landlords (they want to sign only a 12-18 month lease). My current landlord never wants to sell and has been renting this house for more than a decade. I can pretty much stay here as the home prices continue to slide for the next 2-4 years, so, perhaps we’ll stay put.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-06-09 17:38:14

I’m 63. I’ve moved pretty often. If one moves pretty often, there are only a few boxes of stuff to throw out each time, not a whole dumpster full. It’s very hard to move older people who have lived in one place for decades and decades, whether they own or rent.

 
 
Comment by In Montana
2009-06-09 09:55:57

I went to a rummage sale in a seniors mobile park next door (new double wides only, please!) and they didn’t really have anything much to buy. Seems they do a good job of unloading worldly goods with regular sales or maybe before they even move in.

Nice place, actually. I kind of envied them.

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Comment by az_lender
2009-06-09 17:39:34

My lending clients exactly. Except mine aren’t In Montana.

 
 
Comment by Az-Retired
2009-06-09 11:56:57

desertdweller,
I agree with you completely. My wife and I bought a house in a small retirement community NW of Phoenix after more than two years of renting. We got just the new house we wanted at a good discount and plan to stay here for a very long time. Our LL was raising our rent in the rental since he thought we would not actually move. We decided we did not want to go through another move and bought. I have no doubt we could have done even better financially by renting a bit longer but are very contented being settled in. There is an age where being bounced around as a renter is not very appealing.

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Comment by josemanolo7
2009-06-09 13:38:50

is there any particular reason why you cannot get a much longer term lease?

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Comment by Az-Retired
2009-06-09 18:19:59

Josemanolo7,
We had a 2 year lease already that was fairly priced when negotiated but about $300 per month overpriced two years later. Plus you do not know what the neighborhood will be like much farther out than three years.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by bink
2009-06-09 06:16:01

I didn’t realize Iran participated in the housing bubble too.

Will Iran’s ‘Marriage Crisis’ Bring Down Ahmadinejad?

My friends Farhad and Mahnaz are the quintessential Iranian couple. They are both engineers with a shared passion for hiking and movies and have been smitten with each other for six years — but Farhad and Mahnaz can’t afford to get married because even a one-bedroom apartment is beyond their reach, despite their both having decent middle-class jobs. This reality has preyed on their relationship, compelling them to consider leaving Iran. And they blame the government for their situation.

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-06-09 06:59:55

Ack, link got borked somehow.

It’s been awhile since I’ve seen Bob Bork’s name used as a part of speech.

Ah, memories.

Comment by Skip
2009-06-09 07:25:35

“Borked” comes from the Muppets Show.

Google even has a borked version:

http://www.google.com/intl/xx-bork/

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-06-09 08:00:35

See what happens when one grows up inside the Beltway?

It warps one’s mind.

(Let that be a lesson to the HBB Kid’s Auxiliary Corps.)

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-06-09 06:24:29

“…compelling them to consider leaving Iran. And they blame the government for their situation.” ;-)

Old farts with 15th century ideology & guns vs educated youth with ambition & iPhone…this ought to be interesting to watch… :-)

 
Comment by shelby
2009-06-09 08:06:53

Leave Iran & go where?

We don’t let in Iranians in American - oh wait, yes we do - if they come with more than 500K in their hand !!!!!

Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 10:23:33

Controlled regulation of Engineer immigrants = Mostly good

Uncontrolled immigration by undereducated immigrants looking for work in the construction, restaurant and lodging industries = not nearly as good.

Today’s beef …… the “12 million illegal immigrants”, a number just pulled out of someone’s rectum. It could just as easily be 20-25 million. Nobody knows, and The PTB really don’t WANT to know.

About 75% of the numbers coming out of government today are demonstratably B.S. Why does anyone give this number any credence?

I knew we were screwed, when I went to a fast food place back in 1999, and was told they couldn’t serve my inside the restaurant (6:00 in the evening. Why? Because the only English-speaker they had on duty was working the drive up window.

Comment by robiscrazy
2009-06-09 11:36:48

My better half in a rush a few weeks ago had a lapse in judgment and stopped at a Taco Hell for lunch. She ordered a “Tostada”. The young Indian man at the register couldn’t understand her. Finally the supervisor walked up, interpreted, and showed him where the button was on the register.

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Comment by neuromance
2009-06-09 18:00:52

Uncontrolled immigration by undereducated immigrants looking for work in the construction, restaurant and lodging industries = not nearly as good.

They can be tough infantry. That’s not a bad thing either.

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Comment by In Montana
2009-06-09 08:21:12

someone needs to ban “quintessential” from the journosaurus lexicon.

Comment by az_lender
2009-06-09 17:45:23

Yes, because they don’t even use it correctly. They use it hyperbolically, I mean to say, as an exaggeration. Whatzernames are NOT the quintessential Iranian couple, they are just a reasonably typical Iranian couple. If that.

 
 
 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-06-09 06:28:26

Good morning everyone!

Anyone else smell that? It’s the smell of burning rubber as housing prices are falling and unreasonable sellers are trying to put on the brakes!!!

Comment by Milkcrate
2009-06-09 09:00:00

No rubber smell here. Prices stubbornly won’t fall, and few sales, in hoods similar in price point to some of the areas PB thoroughly eyeballs.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-06-09 09:25:29

Yep.

Prices are stuck here in Maryland, too.

Oh, sure, they are lower than they once were, but they are still absurdly high. A 15% drop after a 100% runup does not make for “low prices” - and many of the places that could even be affordable someday are dumps that have been used for nothing but flipping in recent years. Ugh…

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 09:40:36

Pondering,

And AGAIN, our greatest fears realized. Prices only corrected ‘enough’ to set off a GLOBAL Financial Conflagration, and then, -stopped-.

Marvvy isn’t it?

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Comment by Athena
2009-06-09 15:38:21

I feel like it is 2004 again when we were all scratching our heads at the prices and calculating income to price ratios and predicting the fall… Seems all the 2006-2008 late to the party buyers have been cleared out. So the “low priced” $hitholes have been cleared out. Still for prices double what they should be, but less than half of what they were at the peak. cold comfort in an area where prices TRIPLED in 10 years time, but income maybe rose 8k per household. All the lists on the MLS now are over $500k and most of them are the multi-million $ properties. Granted very few are WORTHY of their million dollar prices, but they are priced there nonetheless. It is like the 500 people with properties to sell don’t think this economy applies to them. Like they haven’t paid attention for a second.

One mildly cheering note is that of the 265 properties on ZipRealty 75% are on foreclosure.com and realtytrac listed in NOD or Foreclosures. Hoping that the 5, 7 and 10 year loans about to reset really clear out the crap clogging up the fall to reality.

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-06-09 09:45:22

Really depends on the market segment IMHO. Less desiriable housing has fallen hard. Nice neighborhoods less so. Basicly the “bottom rung” of the homeownership ladder has rotted away. In general those with lower incomes were most vulnerable to the death of the subprime-palooza mortgage market. In my neighborhood (College Park) prices have gone down significantly. It remains to be seen whether nicer neighborhoods will hang on (unlikely IMHO) or simply fall more slowly. At the end of the day, I don’t think that Bethesda will ever be cheap, or fall as much on a percentage basis. But I also think that they’re nowhere near (their) bottom, while my neighborhood IS closer to bottom than top.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 09:53:23

Jim A,

Not familiar w/ your area but I detect a few stereotypes in there I ‘thought’ had already been soundly debunked?

Firstly, the “Prime” loans have taken precedent over the Alt A ( liar loans ) in terms of being a concern for default.

Secondly we’re getting daily affirmation from the MSM that many now in peril -had- wonderful employment ( but quit it to flip houses and start mortgage firms? )

Thirdly, SP was used -across- the income spectrum and equity skimming was hardly confined to poor neighborhoods and minorities.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-06-09 10:06:16

With its proximity to the U of Md, I would have thought College Park would be one of the very few areas of Pee Gee County to remain relatively gentrified, and therefore relatively pricey. Not like Bethesda or McLean, of course.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 10:27:26

Jim A,

Wouldn’t have minded had there ‘been’ actual “containment”. Had each gated community (or Compton ‘hood’) their OWN banks, their OWN currency, their OWN taxes.., then it would’ve been every man for himself!

When we’ve watched the entire nation of Iceland slip beneath the waves, it’s a little hard for me to make block-by-block distinctions?

 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-06-09 11:01:19

Jim A.
Depends on market I guess. The bottom rung has not rotted away here. Its price declines were the most precipitous. It is now possible to buy a 3br 2ba in decent school district for near rental costs, if you are looking at what are now $100,000 homes. They could be almost tempting as investments (renter pays the nut, rather than anticipating lots of appreciation).
But then there’s that job question maket.
JOblessness at 1 in 5 could be called a pandemic, I spose.

 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-06-09 11:02:40

maket…
trying to say job market.

 
Comment by 20910
2009-06-09 14:55:01

Bill in Carolina,

You would think that being near UMD would make for a nice ‘hood, but nothing could be further from the truth. There are pockets of decent little neighborhoods, but the overall effect is suburban slum — low rise apartment complexes with drug dealers on bikes, the usual DC area brick boxes surrounded by pitbulls and chain link fences and sprawl, sprawl, sprawl. So ugly.

I agree with Jim A that the less desirable hoods show the most pain, and it will take longer in places like Bethesda, but it’s coming. There are already prices in those close-in areas that would have been unheard of in 2005. I think the big problem is most people are holding off selling, waiting for the “recovery.” I am in Bethesda a lot, and I see more and more “For Rent” signs that are clearly not professional/investor properties but someone’s plan B.

 
Comment by Rental Watch
2009-06-09 17:06:20

The market has crashed for the most highly leveraged areas that had the shortest term on the fixed portion of the loan (outlying, new growth areas).

The higher-end areas are generally slightly less leveraged than the new developments (people have generally owned their homes for longer), but have similar reset issues coming up. It is WAAAAAY too early to call the higher end neighborhoods stable. I think we will see a steady grind down for a few years. I’m casually looking, but I’m firmly sitting on my hands until I see 3-6 months of flat prices.

In Northern CA (similar, it sounds like to Bethesda), I am seeing homes that weren’t sold going on to the market for rent…too bad they are trying to get 40% too much rent for them.

 
 
Comment by Groundhogday
2009-06-09 10:39:25

Same here in Eastern WA. Prices are down 10-15%, but need to drop another 25% to get print/rent ratios back in line. We are in the midst of the big standoff.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 11:00:28

Groundhogday,

I would have never guessed you where from that area? Spokane?

Right, so the question becomes: ‘Would’ you trade every…thing we’ve been through for: An honest start w/ a REAL ( non-ponzi ) economy, affordable housing that allows U.S-based employers to pay wages competitve on a global scale AT… the risk of scuttling the global economic system, OR:

A scuttling of the global financial system and a 15% Off Coupon?

YOUR choice man!

 
Comment by Groundhogday
2009-06-09 11:55:20

Pullman, WA here…

I don’t quite understand your choices, but here is my “choice”:

I’ve waited long enough to buy a house now, that we are no longer looking for an “okay” deal. I’ve put up with enough ridicule over the years for being “chicken little.” We’re waiting until sellers are truly desperate and prices are far BELOW normal rent multiples. No mercy. No bargaining.

And by purchasing my house at a rock bottom price I will be able to survive the financial mess that will be dragging down our economy over the next decade (or more).

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-06-09 17:51:31

Groundhogday’s middle paragraph should be the message on the next tee shirt Ben designs.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-06-10 05:47:25

This is stale, but I’ll respond to dinOR anyway. The main reason why prime loans are a bigger concern now are:
1.) There are more of them. The percentage of these loans suffering defaults is (and is likely to continue to be) lower than subprime, but that’s a smaller percentage of a much larger number.
2.) The bonds constructed from these loans are vulnerable to a lower level of defaults than subprime loans. NOBODY expected all these subprime loans to be carried to term. A smaller percentage of the aggregate debt from a pool of subprimes could be in the “AAA” tranche. The ratings agencies anticipated that a much larger percentage of subprime loans would go bad than prime loans, and the pooling and tranching was in accordance with their guidance.
3.) Finally, to a lesser extant it’s the us/them divide. There is the perception that subprimes are used by all those “undeserving poor” who shouldn’t have been buying houses anyway. But prime loans are for the hardworking and thrifty people like you and me.

 
 
Comment by neuromance
2009-06-09 18:07:14

If prices ran up due to out-of-control lending, why do people believe, that if lending becomes historically sane, prices will not slowly revert back down to historical norms? Lending is what determines house prices. Those who are willing to take on the most debt determine the prices.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 06:33:47

Appears the Germans have been cutting back on shopping.

Arcandor Files for Insolvency on State Aid Rejection…

June 9 (Bloomberg) — Arcandor AG, owner of the century-old Karstadt department-store chain, filed for insolvency after attempts to win government help foundered, jeopardizing 43,000 German jobs.

The company said this afternoon that it filed to open insolvency proceedings with the district court in its home town of Essen, citing “threatening illiquidity.” German Chancellor Angela Merkel said the collapse was “unavoidable” after investors and banks offered too little to save the company.

Two pleas for help by Arcandor were rejected yesterday by the government, which said it wanted retail heiress Madeleine Schickedanz and shareholder Sal. Oppenheim Jr. & Cie. to stump up more funds. According to Spiegel magazine, Arcandor Chief Executive Officer Karl-Gerhard Eick told Merkel’s office that he’d decided to file for insolvency rather than proceed with another application for an emergency government loan.

“Surveys have shown that Germans aren’t in favor of state aid, and the leading parties really couldn’t rally for taxpayers’ money to help Arcandor’s billionaire main shareholders,” said Sebastian Hein, an analyst at Bankhaus Lampe in Dusseldorf.

Arcandor, whose businesses date to 1881, may now be broken up as predators including Metro AG and Rewe Group circle assets including Karstadt, the Quelle mail-order business and a controlling stake in Thomas Cook Group Plc, Europe’s second- largest travel business. The retailer’s shares plunged as much as 39 percent to the lowest in at least 17 years today.

‘Not Enough’

Arcandor wanted loan guarantees of 650 million euros ($904 million) from the government’s Economy Fund program as debt came due this week. It also wanted a further 437 million euros from a state-owned bank. Euro am Sonntag said today that the retailer won concessions worth about 750 million euros after overnight talks with suppliers, creditors, landlords and shareholders.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-06-09 06:43:38

“Surveys have shown that Germans aren’t in favor of state aid, and the leading parties really couldn’t rally for taxpayers’ money to help Arcandor’s billionaire main shareholders,”

I guess the Germans don’t help their billionaires to build soccer stadiums either? ;-)

Comment by In Colorado
2009-06-09 08:10:14

In soccer the idea of replacing the old “home field” is pretty much not done. Man U would never ditch Old Trafford for a “new and improved stadium” and Barca would never leave Nou Camp.

 
 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-06-09 07:11:34

I love how they phrase it “jeopardizing 43,000 German jobs.” It should say, freeing up 43,000 people to start new companies and work under more competent and efficient management.

Comment by Skip
2009-06-09 07:27:10

Thats how WWII started…

Comment by Neil
2009-06-09 08:03:54

eh? Not even enough people to even man 3 divisions.

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Comment by jbunniii
2009-06-09 07:31:13

I envy these people their chance to become “funemployed”!

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-06-09 09:45:33

I wouldn’t say I envy them. I’ve been canned from more jobs than I care to think about. But in each case, there was a silver lining: I got the delightful satisfaction of watching my incompetent former employer descend directly into the cr@pper. We need more of that on this side of the pond.

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Comment by Shizo
2009-06-09 12:45:37

Get in line for your “unenjoyment” check!

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Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 06:37:50

The Obama administration, aided by economics know-nothings in mainstream news media, is pulling the wool over Americans’ eyes by invoking the phrase “jobs saved or created.” The Wall Street Journal explains this game. Media Fall for Phony ‘Jobs’ Claims

Lest you think this is sorehead criticism from the political right, here’s what Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (a Democrat) said to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner: “You created a situation where you cannot be wrong. If the economy loses two million jobs over the next few years, you can say yes, but it would’ve lost 5.5 million jobs. If we create a million jobs, you can say, well, it would have lost 2.5 million jobs. You’ve given yourself complete leverage where you cannot be wrong, because you can take any scenario and make yourself look correct.”

“The expression ‘create or save,’ which has been used regularly by the President and his economic team, is an act of political genius,” says former Bush advisor Greg Mankiw.

Bottom line - - even with Obamanomics the Labor Department cannot measure “jobs saved” and count them as jobs created by government spending. Had the Bush administration pulled a gimmick like this media would have shot it down with everything they had.

Comment by lavi d
2009-06-09 06:55:44

Had the Bush administration pulled a gimmick like this media would have shot it down with everything they had.

The same way they shot down all those phony WMD speeches.

That said, I have to agree that the “save vs create” mantra is political double-speak of genius quality.

What Obama needs to be saying is, “We are in a terrible mess. It may take years for us to gain our equilibrium, and it’s not going to be easy. Do not even imagine anything resembling a ‘quick fix’”

How far do you think he’d get with that?

Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 07:26:27

One huge problem we have in our country is the complete misunderstanding that it is not, nor has it ever been governments role to ‘create’ jobs. Of course the Constitution was long ago put aside as a guide.

However it’s a damn good one!

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 07:30:54

wmbz,

To be fair, even Mitt Romney conceded “People don’t understand, jobs don’t “just happen”.

So there needs to be a partnership. A leader in a nation where employment ‘isn’t’ a concern isn’t a President ( he’s a warden )

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Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 08:42:50

“Mitt Romney conceded “People don’t understand, jobs don’t “just happen”.

So according to Mitt the masses are not very bright.No argument there. So when a sharp reporter followed up by asking Mitt, how do jobs ‘happen’ wonder what he would have said?

“While the academic performance of white students is grossly inferior, that of black and Latino students is a national disgrace. The McKinsey report says, ‘On average, black and Latino students are roughly two to three years of learning behind white students of the same age. This racial gap exists regardless of how it is measured, including both achievement (e.g., test score) and attainment (e.g., graduation rate) measures.’ ” Although criticism of public education is not a hot topic at the moment (President Obama, abortion, and economics hold center stage right now), it’s hard to avoid a glance now and then at one of the costliest industries in the United States…public education.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 11:35:13

wmbz,

Um… that wasn’t really the direction I think he OR I were taking? To put it into perhaps better context it was a conversation that centered around make-work “shovel ready” projects vice bona-fide need.

If a country determines, they want to be the #1… olive producer in the world, that doesn’t “just happen”. Not in this day & age. Since other nations bend over backwards for their core industries, why shouldn’t we?

 
 
Comment by Skip
2009-06-09 07:31:45

The first act of the Continental Congress was to implement a boycott of British goods.

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Comment by combotechie
2009-06-09 08:09:16

As in drink coffee instead of tea.

 
 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-06-09 09:54:46

“it is not, nor has it ever been governments role to ‘create’ jobs”

Not only that, but the whole idea makes no sense– *anyone* can create any number of jobs, because of the basic economic principle that desires are infinite. Right now, you can easily think of ten things off the top of your head that you would like someone to do for you, and a price you would be willing to pay. The question is, would the market clear at that price, and if not, why not? Follow the trail, and you will probably find the reasons are taxation, regulation, and gov’t generally being a pain in the rear.

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Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 10:51:51

Government “creates” jobs by it’s various interventions in the economy.

But you never hear about the ones government “destroys” by it’s interventions.

The problems started when government figured out that it could generate income (taxes and campaign contributions) and influence outcomes/perform social engineering, by using tax and regulatory policy to influence private decision making……then, it was discovered that government policy could be influenced by campaign contributions.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 11:37:33

X-GS,

Right, see my “day & age” post above. I have a good friend ( retired CPA ) that claims it’s almost impossible for any tax preparer to do a good job for clients any more as the code has been SO influenced by special int. it’s a minefield.

 
 
 
Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 07:32:40

“That said, I have to agree that the “save vs create” mantra is political double-speak of genius quality.”

I don’t. This is one of the poorest, most transparently inane PR spins I’ve ever seen, either in the private or public sector. The comments that the O’Blama team are making now will come back to bite them BIG in the future.

Everyone with an IQ of greater than 76 will see right through this. And that’s 90% of the population.

Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 10:55:31

“Green shoots” =
“Mission Accomplished” or “You’re doing a good job, Brownie..”
= P.R sloganeering that will come back to haunt whoever uttered it.

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Comment by BanteringBear
2009-06-09 12:04:26

Any lingering “green shoots” just died. Oil officially closed at $70.01 per barrel, and the shills are spouting $200 per barrel again. There will be no economic recovery with high oil prices. As was mentioned yesterday, too many people are dependent upon driving to work with no alternatives. They will pay for high priced gasoline, but will have nothing left over for discretionary spending. More business closings, unemployment, and economic destruction. At least the hedgies are getting rich! (puke)

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-06-09 18:00:47

Yeah. I didn’t short the index this morning, or buy a put on the Diamonds, the intention I mentioned at the very top of this morning’s Bits Bucket. You’re reminding me that I should probably do it tomorrow, even though you characterized it as a casino bet with very poor odds. Casino, yes; but the several-month puts are pretty cheap now. Will report my action or inaction.

 
 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 07:45:22

lavi d,

To his credit, I think the President -has- said that or words to that effect. At least that’s what “I” heard.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-06-09 08:31:41

lavi d you summed it up well….
wmds?

This new phraseology though is BS. saved or made.

 
Comment by Matthew
2009-06-09 08:38:24

Not far… the average American can barely plan or budget for next month vs next 3-5 years…

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-06-09 08:38:45

Here’s Slim with a theory on why government officials are so fixated on creating jobs:

It has to do with taxation. Think about the average employee paycheck. The state, federal and local taxes are deducted from the gross pay, and the employee isn’t the one taking care of this. Rather, it’s handled by the payroll department.

On the other hand, those who are self-employed, or are running companies, are the ones who are writing checks to the government for taxes. Matter of fact, I have to write a whopper of a check for federal estimated taxes next Monday.

If you’re writing a check for something, you’re more likely to question exactly what you’re writing the check for. And, of course, governments don’t want too many people like us out there. It would just mean more people questioning their gravy train.

Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 13:32:52

Government likes thw W-2 working stiff. Easy to skim their “cut” before the working stiff even sees it.

As I’m personally discovering, the 1099 guy/self-employed have all sorts of “creative” ways to minimize their tax exposure.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 14:47:43

X-GS,

Welcome aboard fellow capitalist PIG! Oh and don’t forget to deduct those miles to and from the job-site!

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-06-09 08:57:00

I would say to the House, as I have said to those who have joined this Government: I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat.

Worked for him.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 07:00:13

+1

Additionally, “The Phrase” allows each and every American that *didn’t get laid off to consider it the good work of the current administration?

( Hey? Maybe they really DID “save” MY job?!? )

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-06-09 07:00:18

“Had the Bush administration pulled a gimmick like this media would have shot it down with everything they had.” ;-)

Let’s ask Colin Powell what he thinks about going to the UN to show how…

Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 08:32:11

Why anyone would go to the useless U.N. for any reason is beyond me. Perfect waste of time, money, real estate and of course the general body of the U.N. is a waste of skin.

 
Comment by Milkcrate
2009-06-09 09:06:47

Sad day when Powell unveiled his charts at UN. I liked Powell.

Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 09:25:45

I’ve lost all respect for Powell.

He leaves on corrupt organization (Bush and crew) to knowingly join another (Obama and the U.N.).

You’d think someone of his stature, age and financial security would have more gumption to lead rather than follow. Apparently not.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-06-09 09:29:36

Cheney to Powell:

Foghorn Leghorn: “Now come here son, I’ says straighten up & fly right boy… now, this is what we’re going to do see…” :-)

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Comment by cobaltblue
2009-06-09 07:01:59

There are millions of younger workers about to have their notions of education, employment, economics and politics sorely tested.

IMHO, Bruce S. captured the feeling:

“I had a job, I had a girl
I had something going mister in this world
I got laid off down at the lumber yard
Our love went bad, times got hard
Now I work down at the carwash
Where all it ever does is rain
Don’t you feel like you’re a rider on a downbound train”

Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 07:42:53

As if Bruce Springsteen knows s**t about how the little people live.

Sorry - can’t stand Springsteen. Pretentiously unpretentious was how someone else once described him. I think the comment sums up that elitist in apt fashion. He ought to drive a Prius. Probably does.

How many mansions on how many continents does our Little Blue Collar New Jerseyite have anyway? He had five in 1991 - it’s probably more like 15 by now.

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 07:47:48

Eudemon,

Well ‘that’ and he totally ripped off the original:

Mitch Ryder! Personally, I’d much prefer to listen to the Detroit Wheels than da’ bozz any day.

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Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 08:19:16

Yes! A Mitch Ryder fan. Good.

Da’ Bozz knows little about not much. And unlike one of his contemporaries (Bono), Springsteen doesn’t even realize he’s a pompous @ss. He so clouded by his own haloesque visions of grandeur to note that he’s a nimrod.

Bono at least knows he’s full of it.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-06-09 08:34:26

“Bono at least knows he’s full of it.”

How do you figure, Eudemon?

 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2009-06-09 08:35:36

I don’t think Bono knows he (himself) is full of it. Where is the evidence?

I have long been tired of these Gulfstream socialists preaching sacrifice from people earning 1/100 of their incomes while they have tax free status in several different nations. As long as the sheople are unaware that the more wealth you have, the more freedom you have, these limousine commies will continue to be vocal and supported.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-06-09 08:49:48

Ha … “Gulfstream socialists” made me laugh.

 
Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 08:59:40

Gulfstream Socialists - I’m gonna steal that from you, Bill. I like that phraseology. Sums it all up in two distinct, visual and easily understood words.

Applies to politicians, entertainers of all sorts, sports celebrities and all the other turds that try to shame others into redistributing their own wealth while they themselves live high on the hog.

As far as Bono goes, how could he not be aware?! Could someone really be that much of a prick and not realize it?
Egad. The thought that anyone could be that self-absorbed without recognition of said fact frankly never occurred to me.

Then again, I don’t live in California or New York, so I don’t have much contact with such ilk.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 09:24:20

Of course everyone ( that’s hep’ anyway ) is familiar with Mitch’s early work ( Devil with a Blue Dress etc. ) but if you’ve never heard it, try “Never Kick a Sleeping Dog”.

There’s a duet w/ Marianne Faithful that’s simply beautiful. Remember, Mitch ( like a LOT of non-Boss artists ) had to make their home in Europe for a few decades while ‘others’ cashed in on their creativity.

 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-06-09 11:13:39

If duet is pretty, must be pre-Mick.
(Cueing “Machine Gun”…) And some of us recall that Jimi went to Europe for a while before the states were ready.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 11:42:47

milkcrate,

I’d forgotten about that, you’re right. I think the MR album I’m referring to was released in 1983, when the music world had written off Marianne as well.

It’s an excellent album from start to finish, powerful and honest stuff.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-06-09 07:15:17

Had the Bush administration pulled a gimmick like this media would have shot it down with everything they had.

On the contrary, the mass media never met a Bush-era falsehood that it didn’t regurgitate with gusto. (Look around — a surprising number are still in circulation, initial debunkings notwithstanding.)

It does seem like “jobs saved or created” is quite the shell game, however.

Comment by exeter
2009-06-09 09:42:57

The party of Nixon got a free pass from the media, 2000-2008.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-06-09 07:31:15

I widespread scam in “economic development” circles, not moved to the highest levels of government.

But it doesn’t matter. Most people don’t care about anything other than their own situation. If their wages are falling, their taxes are rising, their public services and benefits are being cut, and they or people they know are out of work, they aren’t going to care that it could be worse, even if it could be.

The question is who is going to channel that anger. Are they going to blame Blacks and immigrants, as in the early 1990s? Will we get a Hitler type?

There won’t be much looking in the mirror, that’s for sure.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-09 11:02:23

As long as we don’t cut funding to art schools, we should be safe.

 
 
Comment by In Montana
2009-06-09 08:24:41

“Chairman Max Baucus (a Democrat) said to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner: “You created a situation where you cannot be wrong.”

Max said that? Our Max?? Well I’ll be dipped..

 
Comment by bananarepublic
2009-06-09 10:49:21

Wow, you guys are reaching now. It is really that hard to understand? Obama is doing everything he can to try to help the economy recover. Maybe we will have less lost jobs. Maybe we will actually create new ones. The guy is trying and all you people can do is attack him.

What’s your plan? I want to hear it. I guarantee you I can shred it in 5 minutes. Obama is doing something. And he is cleaning up after the administration that brought this all down on us - Bush and Company. You might not like his plan, or his actions (I don’t like much of it) but he is dealing with an extraordinary situation that Bush helped create.

Cut the man some slack. Stop the hating.

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 11:46:54

Yeah, but it becomes so much lip-service to people that are -already- out of work. He’s getting ‘plenty’ of support in the MSM. Unless everyone’s afraid that this lone blog is the (1) thing the Evil Loki found that was so small and insignificant, it would never harm Achilles?

Comment by bananarepublic
2009-06-09 12:21:18

Whatever happened to supporting the guy trying to fix this mess? He had absolutely nothing to do with the cause of this mess, but he is at least trying to solve the problem. And what is Bush doing right now? Or Cheney? You know, the guys that brought this all down on us. Where are they?

I think Obama is doing an excellent job, but even that isn’t enough to stop this thing from imploding. It’s bigger than the POTUS.

If you are pissed, show your anger at those people that brought this on us. You know..deficits don’t matter Cheney and out to lunch Chimp.

I don’t like the way all aspects of the cleanup are being done, but I CAN distinguish between the creators of this mess…and the cleanup crew.

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Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 13:14:25

There’s plenty of blame on BOTH sides of the aisle for this debacle. This “All the Republicans fault, all the time” stuff gets tiresome.

It’s too early to give any kind of verdict on Obama’s performance. But from all appearances, it appears that the plan is to put the Democrats supporters (Blue State bankers/hedgies, Government employees and the UAW) in the lifeboats, and beat everyone else over the head with the oars. And he is proving as adept at ignoring the rulebook as Bushco.

 
Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 13:44:15

To be supportive, I’d need to see the following:

1 The firing of Dodd, Pelosi, Frank, Turbo Timmy, Emanuel. To say that none of these four were part of the mess is to pass the buck to your political opponents.

2. Full support of The Constitution. Thus far, the opposite has taken place. Contract law is being thrown in the trash, bankruptcy laws usurped for whatever you call it when the UAW loses considerably less than GM bondholders and judges are being encouraged to make law rather than interpret or obey what already exists.

3. Fiscal discipline. There simply isn’t any now (and there wasn’t any from 2000-2008, either). Today’s PayGo blather would be hilarious if it wasn’t so pitiful. Blow trillions of dollars and THEN talk about pay as you go. What?!

4. A push led by Obama Himself to equalize the media profession politically-speaking.

5. A push by Obama to suspend all Federal politicians’ ability to practice law while holding office.

6. A push by Obama to double FICA taxes of ALL Federal officials currently holding office.

That’s just for starters. When I see those things happening, I’ll become more supportive of Obama.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 14:58:37

Obama supporters really need to get thicker skin. For the most part I’ve been supportive ( and when I can’t ) at least I’ve been respectful of the office.

Again, I’m about as much of a Republican as I am a “Catholic” but the snippets of hushed criticism to date has been a far cry from what we’ve had to endure for the last 8 years, 3 months and 21 days.

Toughen UP. ( Oh you’ll find out ALL about ‘that’ )

 
Comment by exeter
2009-06-09 15:25:03

I agree on the contract law. GM needs to adhere to their contractual obligations with the UAW.

 
 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2009-06-09 17:16:48

The best argument I heard was that the government should do nothing. The pain would be more acute in the near term, but the resulting economy would be stronger going forward, and the recovery more rapid.

The problem is that no one on either side of the aisle has the guts to sit back and let the market take care of itself. The population has been trained into believing that the government should intervene in times of crisis.

So the best we get is both sides with differing opinions as to what should be done, and both sides arguing their side, while the third side (do nothing) is pushed aside for political reasons.

Am I angry at what Obama is trying to do? Not really.
Was I angry at what Bush tried to do? Not really.

I have saved my anger for the multitude of market participants that got us into this mess due to shoddy underwriting and overly (check that, RIDICULOUSLY) optimistic ratings of complex financial instruments.

 
 
 
Comment by Al
2009-06-09 06:47:00

“Hekmati’s experience is typical of young Iranians, who are finding themselves increasingly priced out of the marriage market.”

My first time. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Comment by Al
2009-06-09 06:48:15

Supposed to be a reply to above:

Comment by bink
2009-06-09 06:16:01

I didn’t realize Iran participated in the housing bubble too.

Comment by Skip
2009-06-09 08:00:19

Iran is participating in the population bubble.

 
 
Comment by Jon
2009-06-09 09:23:10

“My first time. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.”

It’s beautiful to see someone lose their BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA cherry.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-06-09 14:22:49

:lol:

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-06-09 17:23:28

:)

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Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 06:50:58

General Motors Corp. — new ticker symbol GMGMQ.PK — was making double-digit gains in trading on Monday.

GM stock closed at $1.21 a share on Monday, up 34.5 cents or 39.88%.
In the old days of GM — long before the company filed for bankruptcy reorganization on June 1 — you might say the stock was going up on talk that new GM directors would be announced soon.
While some news might give the stock a pop, GM common stock is still headed nowhere.
Nowhere.
Let’s repeat that: No. . . where.

“GM stock is expected to be worthless,” said Tom Wilkinson, director of GM News Relations. “We are not sure why anyone is still buying it.”
GM stock is trading on the electronic “pink sheets” at http://www.pinksheets.com as the company is reorganizing under Chapter 11.
The no-buy-zone
GM stock is officially in the no-buy-zone for all but the most speculative investors. Experts say the speculators are the ones doing the buying. Short sellers, who previously sold borrowed shares, also need to buy GM to cover those trades.
“The higher the profile of the bankruptcy, the more active stock trading there will be,” said George Putnam, publisher of BankruptcyData.com in Boston.
No one should read the latest rebound — or any other rebounds in the weeks ahead — as any sign that big money is around the corner.
GM was taken off the Dow Jones Industrial Average as of Monday. Once a company files for bankruptcy protection, it is automatically disqualified from being one of the 30 stocks that are part of the Dow index.
GM no longer has shares of its own stock in the 401(k) plans of its employees and retirees.
GM common shareholders will become unsecured creditors in the old GM, and such creditors have very low recovery rates.
The company has noted that the new GM will initially be owned by the U.S. Treasury, the UAW VEBA and certain creditors of the old GM. “Therefore, no shares are for sale to the public now,” the company said.
Wilkinson said that any investor who wants a part of the new GM would have to wait until that new company is formed later this summer and until the owners of the new company — which include the UAW VEBA and the U.S. government — start selling their shares.
Stocks of companies that head into bankruptcy often bounce back a bit after a filing. And yes, speculators do make money trading the stock but not everyone makes money on that bet, either.
“If you get it right, you could make money trading it on the short term,” Putnam said. “It would be more luck than anything else.”

Comment by Jim A.
2009-06-09 09:50:28

I have to believe that most of this is from people who have even less understanding of what bankruptcy is and how it works than the Obama administration. Shareholders are usually wiped out. Frankly, if there’s any value left after all the creditors are paid off, why did the company declare bankruptcy at all?

Comment by Rental Watch
2009-06-09 17:18:02

Short covering. Be careful if you think the equity holders are going to get anything.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 06:59:17

Friday, June 5, 2009
Dave Ramsey on our love of debt

Being in debt used to be a social stigma, but now it seems to be the American way. Tess Vigeland talks to Dave Ramsey, author of “Total Money Makeover,” about how America became a nation of borrowers in love with credit.

Tess Vigeland: Can you imagine living without credit? I know, I know, plenty of you do. Bully for you. No really, it’s great. But lots of us do use credit and that means we have debt. Mortgages, car loans, credit cards, of course. Well, last week we brought you the first part of a conversation with a man who preaches the gospel of being debt-free.

Dave Ramsey hosts a radio show and has written several personal finance books. And we were interested in getting his perspective, which is in many ways different from what we say on this show. Example: we talk about how to boost your FICO score. He says the only reason to have a FICO score — and worry about it — is if you love debt.

Ok. So. Today we’re starting with the question of why and how we became this nation of borrowers and exactly when debt lost its social stigma.

Dave Ramsey: It’s roots are in the 70s, when debt became a product that was marketed by some of the most masterful marketing minds that the planet has ever known. The selling of debt as an absolute necessity to live, is really one of the most masterful marketing jobs in the history of the world. We live in the most marketed culture in the world and the most money and the most sophistication used to sell any product, is used by the banking industry.

The credit card people have done a phenomenal job of integrating their product line into our psyche to where we truly believe that we can’t live without it. That’s amazing marketing. THat began in the 70s. It took deep roots in the 80s and by the 90s we were seeing five and six billion credit card offers a year going out to where, dead people and dogs were issued on a regular basis.

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 07:05:25

Bully for DR!

There ‘are’ reasons beyond getting further… in debt for having a good FICO score, unless of course you can purchase your home cash outright?

For the most part though, people that never let you forget what a great score they have sound like a slave bragging about how his strong back and good teeth will fetch his master the best price at auction? Personally, I no longer have a use for a score. Good, bad or indifferent.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-06-09 09:07:54

“For the most part though, people that never let you forget what a great score they have sound like a slave bragging about how his strong back and good teeth will fetch his master the best price at auction?”

AWESOME way to put it, D!

I for one don’t really care much what my score is, because I have no desire to accumulate debt. Home mortgage may be an exception if I’m not ready to buy cash in a few years… So I guess I should care a little…

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 12:31:14

Prime,

Isn’t this the “Sum of All Fears” the gov. is worried about? Just gauging by the demographics, we’ll soon have lots of company.

Again, just about any arrangement “I” would enter into would be offering a desperate land-seller a modest down and even MORE modest payments -directly- thru them anyway.

Then I’ll ( as I always have ) finagle my way into building materials and cobble the damn thing together myself! Ideally it would have had an older single-wide on it so elec. well & septic are already in place. If I saw the need I could then re-fi modest sum, but I’m doubting that.

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Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-06-09 12:12:26

Now your insurance rates for automobiles and other things are based on FICO scores. Bad FICO score, worse rate on insurance. Grrr.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-06-09 07:05:44

“…That began in the 70s. It took deep roots in the 80s and by the 90s we were seeing…” ;-)

Now, help me out here…when did it start to require the “steady” incomes from x2 “significant others” working 40 hrs each…to qualify for a home?

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-06-09 07:12:47

And is there any such thing as steady income any more?

Comment by Milkcrate
2009-06-09 09:15:32

Cash in purse or wallet makes navigating uncertain times easier. Don’t get that lift from GMBKRUSA shares, or whatever they are called this week.

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Comment by scdave
2009-06-09 09:52:37

such thing as steady income any more ??

Only if you work for the government in some fashion…

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Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 07:54:40

I’ll be saying this until the day I die…the rise of the modern, two-earner household is a major cause of the economic ruination of the USA.

Two-earner households were and are rarely borne out of necessity after 1970.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 07:20:09

“It’s roots are in the 70s, when debt became a product that was marketed by some of the most masterful marketing minds that the planet has ever known.”

There was never a better time to be deeply in debt than during the Fed-engineered Great Inflation of the 1970s.

Comment by scdave
2009-06-09 09:55:17

better time to be deeply in debt than during the Fed-engineered Great Inflation of the 1970s ??

Not if you got caught with a bunch of it in 1981-82

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 19:29:53

Good point. The tricky thing about debt is knowing when to embrace it (e.g. 1970-1980, 1996-2005, etc.) and when to avoid it like the plague (post-2005).

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-06-09 07:29:11

Ha, ha - a nation of “individualists” - they buy God knows what material garbage…all to show how unique they are - and when it comes down to it many are just a number, a freaking FICO score.

They should start carving FICO scores into tombstones:

Here lies Josh D. Consumer 1971-2051 FICO 629 He died like he spent.

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 07:52:25

edegewaterjohn,

Don’t laugh! I think you’re on to something. Can we get “Stanley Johnson” to weigh in on this?

Again, I think Professor Bear is spot on. Prior to changes in the tax code, it really didn’t make a lot of sense to carry debt. Remember, prior to the early 80’s, subprime loans basically didn’t exist.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-06-09 08:50:24

“…Remember, prior to the early 80’s, subprime loans basically didn’t exist.”

Neither did 2800 sf “starter” homes with granite toilet seats & a garage big enough for x2 SUV’s & jet ski’s… ;-)

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Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 09:31:27

Hwy50,

Well again, I think it’s a statement ( that we have made as Americans ) that stands on it’s own. It doesn’t need any further corraboration.

As others have mentioned, any time you watch a movie or TV series from the 70’s, it’s nothing short of amazing at how “stark” the sets look! When you find yourself thinking “People actually lived… like ‘that’?” ( you know we’re in trouble )

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 11:12:57

And prior to 1986, interest payments on consumer loans were deductible on Schedule “A”.

I’m not one of the “all debt is bad” crowd. It would have taken me 10 years working minimum wage jobs to get the money to pay cash for my education, vs. taking out a school loan. A 3-4 year loan on a car that you keep for 10 years isn’t neccesarily bad either. The problem comes when you buy everything on credit, and the bill lives longer than the article acquired.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 11:50:52

X-GS,

And the ‘cost’ of the education would have kept inflating just out of your reach. Yeah, I’m there, another critical juncture where we took the wrong path.

Prior to that change in the tax code, subprime was a foreign word. I recall distinctly as my eldest sister ( Mizz Turbo-Tax ) “discovered” the loop hole. She thought it was a Godsend!

 
 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 09:34:49

“He died like he spent”

Further ( John… ) as in life, burial plots should be adjudicated by FICO score as well!

Oh… uh, ‘him’? Yeah he was a 419 so he’d be WAY… in the back, check in the “Poor” section closest the tracks?”

 
 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-06-09 07:33:08

I hardly ever listen to TV or radio, unless I’m someplace where it happens to be on. The thing that always jumps out at me when I am in earshot is the constant bombardment of advertising, creating false urgency for useless consumption. It’s always been there, but I never quite realized how relentless it all is, until I got away from it.

Lots of smart people, here and at other sites, tell us that our attitudes toward debt are in the process of changing for good. I want to believe them, but the forces (both governmental, media, and corporate) that are allied against this emerging trend are immense and determined.

Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-06-09 12:29:10

If you pirate your television from the internet, not only does it alleviate the monthly cable and TIVO subscription fees, but you don’t have to fast-forward through commercials.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-06-09 13:30:45

Preach it, Va! Right now, I’m watching The Daily Show via the Internet.

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Comment by jbunniii
2009-06-09 07:38:06

“He says the only reason to have a FICO score — and worry about it — is if you love debt.”

He’s off in the weeds on this one. A low FICO score can impair your ability to rent a decent place to live; it can raise your insurance rates; and it can prevent you from obtaining certain types of employment. What have any of these things to do with loving debt?

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 07:55:15

jbunniii,

As I noted above. Additionally anyone that has a security clearance has to remain in good standing as well. Probably the only reason I give a rip at all?

Still, Dave has a point. What’s the greater fear here?

 
Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 08:01:34

Ramsey doesn’t recognize any of this because he already has his. It’s not too surprising that old people who have everything paid off are somewhat blind.

Yes- FICO scores are used in hiring, rentals, insurance rates, etc.

 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-06-09 08:09:43

I put a credit freeze on the three agencies, to prevent identity theft.

I tried to switch telecommunications carriers. They drove me nuts, because they couldn’t get my credit score. I have no debt. I don’t even have mortgage debt anymore. I said they could check the city records online and see this. They didn’t want to hear it.

How much credit risk did they have? One month of phone calls?

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 08:24:29

WT Economist,

Like I say, what’s the greater fear? Slavish devotion to a “system” most of us despise anyway… or that a few of us just might slip through the “gatekeepers”?

Besides, using people’s FICO to determine what their ins. premiums should be strikes me as being unethical. I mean, doesn’t ‘everyone’ have a Divorce Settlement Fund built into their personal financial plan?

The problem w/ FICO is that ( in spite of what “they” tell you ) All Decisions Are Final! Recently Muggy had some discrepancies w/ his wife’s medical bills and sadly it will take a month of Sundays to get off of there? You’re guilty until proven innocent. Time for change.

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Comment by Eudemon
2009-06-09 12:46:29

As I’ve said before, DinOR I think it’s fairly smart for companies/employers, etc, to examine individuals.

If I were hiring employees, you bet I’d check their FICO scores. If I was a landlord (or a renter of a single-abode structure), I’d check FICO scores.

If I was about to get married, I’d check FICO scores.

I see it as a way of determining the sensibility of whomever I’m dealing with. Why would I want to trust my money or assets with those who clearly cannot handle their own?

Of course there are mitigating factors. I’m not that dogmatic. But I definitely think it makes sense to use every tool you can to determine how someone in question handles his or her affairs.

 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 13:22:19

I’ve noticed that car salesman are a lot nicer to me, after they have had a chance to check my FICO score. :)

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 15:07:01

Eudemon,

( Bangs forehead ) Oh I… get it ( finally ) You-the-man, duh…

I’ll respectfully disagree. A FICO is a great way to drive by looking in the rearview mirror. It tells you a lot about the the person’s past, but very little about the manner in which they handle challenges going forward.

Typically when I get subjected to yet -another- unsolicited self-appraisal, I’m generally talking to a guy that’s A) Never been divorced B) Never been charged w/ a relative’s care C) Always had the same job etc. etc.

Just look at how many “Prime” loans are going in default? These people were “model borrowers” until they went underwater. Lenders mispriced the REAL risk. I’m not saying there shouldn’t be ’some’ kind of rating system, it’s just that this ain’t it. IMHO.

 
 
Comment by Kim
2009-06-09 08:37:57

“I put a credit freeze on the three agencies, to prevent identity theft.”

Can you do that permanently? Last I read you could put one on, but it only lasted three months or so. Or do you keep renewing?

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Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-06-09 12:41:19

Their systems are setup to use the computer models from FICO or the CRAs to make the decisions for the call center monkeys. So when you put a freeze on it, you broke their way of doing business. Kudos :-)

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Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-06-09 08:19:35

Not to mention that life has a way of smacking us upside the face with real adversity from time to time. You can make your plans, keep a stash of reserves, but what happens when the problem is bigger than anything you could have planned for? Times like those are what proper use of credit and lending are all about.

 
 
Comment by bill in Los Angeles
2009-06-09 08:38:45

I (skull and crossbones go here) Dave Ramsey and his flock. First of all, his listeners are a bunch of sheep with such little self control, that they need someone to tell them to stop spending more than they take in.

Worse, he assumes everyone who listens to him is a Christian.

More worse, he called Peter Schiff and idiot.

Ramsey is the one who is an idiot.

Comment by MrBubble
2009-06-09 11:46:51

Wonder what JC would’ve thought about that?!

 
Comment by 20910
2009-06-09 14:59:23

And last weekend on Marketplace he said it was a fantastic time to buy real estate.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 19:27:47

To add to your point, he apparently misses the obvious similarity between living under a burden of debt and living as a practicing Christian.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-06-09 08:41:10

I remember the 1970s well. Back then, you had to be (gasp!) creditworthy in order to get a credit card. They weren’t handed out like candy on Halloween.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 07:37:32

WHAT NEXT FOR THE BOSTON GLOBE? The Boston Globe’s largest union last night narrowly rejected $10 million in wage and benefit cuts, and about an hour later the paper’s owner declared an impasse in negotiations and imposed a 23 percent pay cut on the union’s members, effective next week. Yikes! A 23 percent pay CUT? Next stop in this contentious struggle between owners and union will probably be the federal courts.

Gloom at the Globe.

This case involves the old question “Who owns the job? The worker or the owner?” The answer is: the owner. But unions are reluctant to accept that fact.

Comment by jeff saturday
2009-06-09 07:43:52

The Boston Newspaper Guild, which represents 700 editorial, advertising and business employees, voted 277-265 against the new contract negotiated after the Globe’s parent company, The New York Times Co., said it needed $20 million in annual savings from Globe unions — half from the Guild — to avoid shutting down the newspaper.

About 80 percent of union members voted, officials said.

The contract included an 8.3 percent wage cut, five-day unpaid furloughs and cuts in health care benefits, 401(k) contributions and pensions. It also would have eliminated lifetime job guarantees for 190 Guild workers. Most got those promises in exchange for other concessions in a contract ratified in 1994, shortly after the Times Co. bought the Globe for $1.1 billion.

The Times Co. had said that if the Guild rejected the proposal, it would try to impose a 23 percent wage cut. It also could follow through on an earlier threat to close the newspaper, which would require giving 60 days notice to employees and the state.

Comment by Jon
2009-06-09 09:30:27

Hopefully the Courts will uphold the companies contractual obligations.

Comment by exeter
2009-06-09 10:47:29

A contract is a contract. ;)

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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-09 11:43:05

Yep, cause anything that hurries along the death of print newspaper is good, right?

If the court blocked it, I’d shut the paper down right then.

Unions and companies, bosses and workers, need to be symbiotic, not parasitic.

Unions were a response to parasitic owners. Bankruptcy and shuttering the doors is the response to parasitic workers.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2009-06-09 07:51:35

Decline in Greenwich home sales continues Town deals down 70 percent in first four months
By Lisa Chamoff
Staff Writer
Posted: 06/07/2009 10:04:29 PM EDT

Home sales in Greenwich were down nearly 70 percent in the first third of 2009 compared with a year earlier, though real estate agents hope that with recent and upcoming closings factored in, figures in the next few months will be stronger.

There were 56 single-family home sales in the first four months of the year, compared with 168 sales during the same period of 2008, according to information from Riverside-based Shore & Country Properties.

The average sale price also fell 23 percent, from $2.8 million to $2.2 million, an amount that Shore & Country owner and partner Russell Pruner says is the largest drop since 1945, though that’s compared to full-year markets and not a four-month segment.

Pruner predicts that while the sales figures for May released next week won’t show much change, maybe reaching 60 percent to 65 percent of 2008, there could be a turnaround soon.

“A lot of the business that has transacted doesn’t close until June or July,” Pruner said.

Realtor David Ogilvy said a four-month chunk doesn’t give a clear picture of the market, and he’s now extremely busy, selling everything from a no-frills house in Old Greenwich for $915,000 to a $23.9 million mansion that went in 10 days for close to the full asking price.

“We just had a very flat early spring,” said Ogilvy, who is also listing late hotelier Leona Helmsley’s Round Hill Road estate for $75 million. The estate came on the market for $125 million

in early 2008. “We’re feeling very enthusiastic.”

Julianne Ward of Prudential Connecticut Realty is not quite as busy. Ward said she’s had five homes go under contract in the last three months, and three of those have closed, which is about a quarter of what she did last year.

Still, she’s positive.

There has been “more activity in May or June than I think there’s been all year,” Ward said. “It feels to me like the dam is almost breaking and it comes in spurts.”

Buyers are seeing opportunity in the desirable Greenwich market that many once thought was unreachable.

Rob Pajer, one of Ward’s clients who closed a month ago on a three-bedroom home on Field Road in Riverside for $1.1 million, said he and his wife were pleasantly surprised by the number of houses that were available.

Pajer, his wife and two young children are moving from a house in Somerset County, N.J. they bought in 2002, and Pajer said he never thought they could afford living here.

“We were going to go for the gold standard, which is Greenwich,” said Pajer, 49. “We wanted to land somewhere we were going to stay.”

Pruner sees this attitude as the reason why the Greenwich market won’t be in free-fall for long.

“Greenwich is still Greenwich and people are still going to want to live here,” Pruner said. “When we are able to focus back on why people buy Greenwich, then I think you’ll see the transactions go up.”

Comment by palmetto
2009-06-09 16:05:18

“Realtor David Ogilvy said a four-month chunk doesn’t give a clear picture of the market, and he’s now extremely busy, selling everything from a no-frills house in Old Greenwich for $915,000 to a $23.9 million mansion that went in 10 days for close to the full asking price.”

I’ve met this fellow and I have to say, he is a decent, old-school guy who works very, very hard for his clients. My family had the opportunity to deal with him twice and he was honorable to the core both times. He really is a professional and amount of hand-holding and service that he and his staff provide is way above and beyond. Of course, the commissions they make are huge, but believe me, from some of the stuff I saw, they earn them.

I poke a lot of fun at Greenwich, but it’s not the town I have a hard time with. It used to be sort of a charming, upper middle and even middle class type place. It’s the hedge fund and international rich-trash and poser crowd that ruined the place.

However, this is the sort of stuff that kinda turns my stomach: “a no-frills house in Old Greenwich for $915,000″. Oh, for the days when you could get a place there for a mere $125,000. In the 1970s. And that was expensive, then.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-06-09 16:27:10

Right Palmy:

I grew up in Norwalk, and starter homes in Greenwich were always at least twice the price of our ‘hood, and much better schools.

Comment by palmetto
2009-06-09 17:57:30

dj, what was the name of that shirt store everyone used to go to? Decker’s?

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Comment by aNYCdj
2009-06-09 21:03:23

Yes Deckers, Boy was that a store. I think its closed….Ill call the number in the morning and ask my mom

Decker’s Company
666 West Avenue
Norwalk, CT 06850
Phone: 203-866-5593

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-06-09 19:36:35

I grew up in a “a no-frills house in Old Greenwich” mom is still there.

 
 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 07:58:51

X-GSFixer,

So glad to hear you’ve managed to land some decent work. Sorry… to hear it took (2) jobs to fill what (1) had provided previously… but glad nonetheless!

Anyone see the pictures of the “recovery team” working the Air France flight? They’re out in the middle of the ocean and one of the divers is wearing like a Speedo or something sitting on the tail section of the plane! Gotta’ love those Brazilians.

Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 13:54:13

Actually………I’m doing more than decent right now.

Was “hired” by the new contractor…..in the meantime, I’m doing 1099 work 2-3 nights/15-20 hrs. a week on a Citation at another airport……which pays my “consulting” rate.

With any kind of luck, the 1099 job will turn into a full time deal if the contract job goes away…..it might work out even better if the contract deal turns into a 1099 deal too. If I can line up one more deal like that, I’d clean up.

As others on this site have mentioned, I’m finding that from an H.R. perspective, I’m not what they consider a “prime” employee (50 something white guy, carrying around too many pounds).

Fortunately, I have a decent rep around here, and most pilots are more interested in having someone who knows what they are doing work on their airplanes, than they are having someone do OJT.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-06-09 14:43:44

I’ve known a few pilots in my time. To a man and woman, they have the utmost respect for good, experienced mechanics.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 15:10:27

X-GS,

Outstanding! Yeah, then find yourself wondering “Is THIS what I was so ‘afraid’ of?” Is ‘this’ what I’ve been dreading… for so long?

Then you think, “Hey, if I’d have known it was this way ( I’d have left a long time ago?”

 
 
 
Comment by bink
2009-06-09 08:18:42

Talk about being trapped in your underwater house.

http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/06/08/House-boarded-up-with-resident-inside/UPI-85621244492422/

MINNEAPOLIS, June 8 (UPI) — A Minneapolis man said he was preparing to leave his foreclosed home for the last time when contractors boarded up the house with him still inside.

 
Comment by drumminj
2009-06-09 08:28:49

Sigh, my “funemployment” is temporarily over. I’ve lined up full-time contract work for at least the next month, with a little bit of extra work on the side. Now I’m going to have to remember how to balance work with reading/posting to the HBB.

So at least one person’s recession is over…for now….

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 09:04:20

Good luck to you and to all who have to roll with the punches of the ‘green shoots’ economy…

Comment by Milkcrate
2009-06-09 09:20:06

What Bear propounded.

 
 
Comment by jane
2009-06-09 20:14:32

Very happy for you. Throughout, you were remarkably mellow about the whole experience. I’ve got to think that equanimity has served you well. That, and your unquestioned capability, of course. Pip, pip, cheerio and all that!

 
 
Comment by tresho
2009-06-09 08:32:29

Burn, Detroit, burn…
That big plume of black smoke that filled the sky Monday night and was visible from downtown to the eastern suburbs?
It was just the Packard Plant burning.
Again.
And that fire is likely to be burning this morning, because the Packard Plant is too dangerous for Detroit firefighters to enter after dark, so they had to let it burn Monday night.

Fire crews are called to the massive and mostly abandoned complex about once a week, said Lt. Steve Kirschner of Engine Co. 23. The fires stem from scrappers and their acetylene torches and people who like to explore the Packard Plant and think it’s cool to set fires to the huge mounds of trash and other dumped debris in the complex’s large rooms. The Packard complex consists of 3.5 million square feet of space in 43 interconnected buildings. Many of the buildings are filled with trash and dumped articles, including old pleasure boats and shoes. The site is filled with tunnels, open sewers and collapsing walls and ceilings, often the result of scrappers cutting out I-beams. While it is technically not abandoned, the Packard Plant is mind-numbing in its vastness, decay and the large trees growing from its roofs. It is totally open to trespass.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-09 12:09:25

Sounds like a shovel ready project. Apply for federal money to raze the place!

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-06-09 09:04:09

This will help those that make money in the “reverse mortgage” business, and as I’ve been saying, they charge to darn much for those J&J q-tips… ;-)

“…A new study from Harvard University finds that 62 percent of bankruptcies are caused by medical bills - a 50 percent increase since 2001. Based on that rate, medical bankruptcies this year will total 866,000 and involve 2.3 million Americans – about one person every 15 seconds”

Medical bankruptcies on the rise:
June 9th, 2009, OC Register by Courtney Perkes

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-06-09 09:38:02

To that I offer the example of an elderly lady I know. She reverse mortgaged her house, then proceeded to go on a truly baffling spending spree. (Aren’t reverse mortgages supposed to go to those of sound mind?)

Long story short: In December 2007, she broke her left leg in two places. After a stay in a rehab center, she moved into the home of one of her sons. She still lives there.

The family did try to sell her house, but, apparently, no buyers. The “for sale” sign came down this past February. As for the house, it’s been foreclosed on.

 
Comment by Elanor
2009-06-09 09:52:56

But the US of A doesn’t need health care/health insurance reform! Nosirree! ;)

Comment by tresho
2009-06-09 11:00:07

But the US of A doesn’t need health care/health insurance reform! Nosirree
It’s far better to bankrupt the country than individuals.

Comment by Elanor
2009-06-09 13:46:30

The best possible outcome, IMO, would be a few insurance companies going under. Cut out the middleman and health care would be far more affordable.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-06-09 14:45:33

I’ve heard more than a few people say that the forthcoming health care reforms will put some private insurers out of business. Well, all I can say is that I hope the going out of business door doesn’t hit their butts on the way out.

Being in business isn’t a right. You have to deserve to be in business. And you do that by serving your customers well. I know of very few health insurers that have done that.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-06-09 09:09:32

“The O.C.” … “It’s Bren developed”™ :-)

“The online commercial real estate site LoopNet reports that the dollar volume spent by big investors and other interested parties on commercial property in Orange County fell $4 billion — or 95% — from the peak of the market during the spring of 2007.

On a year-over-year basis, the sales volume was down 74% from the 12-month period ending in March compared to the year before.

These figures follow forecasts that commercial real estate values will plummet, with foreclosures expected to mushroom in the coming year.”

Big investors show 95% less love for O.C. property:

June 9th, 2009, OC Register by Jeff Collins

Comment by scdave
2009-06-09 10:02:51

forecasts that commercial real estate values will plummet ??

Not just in the OC Hwy….Throughout the state and the country for that matter…BIG problems are coming…

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 09:12:56

The Consequences Have Started to Arrive…
Michael Pento
Posted Jun 9, 2009

The consequences of adopting a weak dollar and inflationary monetary policy to bail out the economy have begun to manifest themselves, although the real effects of the government’s $12.8 trillion dollar recovery plan have only just started to show up. Investors should not be surprised to learn that the commitments, guarantees, and prodigal spending of the past two Administrations have come with harrowing consequences. Surprising or not, these painful consequences are just beginning to appear and are rather insidious in nature.

But the regular readers of my commentaries had been warned that massive money printing and government incursions into the free market would spark higher inflation and a falling dollar. To illustrate the point, the price of oil has increased 53% this year while gasoline has increased 26% in price since May 1st. That move alone should start to ring the alarm bells for everyone. But commodity prices have risen across the board sending the CRB Index up 14% in May alone. In addition, copper is up over 60% this year while cotton is up 18% in 2009 and the US dollar has also lost about 10% of its value since early March. So much for the deflation argument!

The cause of steep rises in basic materials and energy is not so much a U.S. demand story. Asia seems to be faring better; (their economy expanded at a 6.1% annual rate in Q1, the slowest rate in 10 years) while our economy has shed over 6 million jobs since the recession began and GDP contracted at a 5.7% annual rate in the first quarter. But the real cause in the rise of commodities can be found in the weakness of the US dollar.

Even with all of this in mind, the biggest negative effect thus far from the Administration’s profligacy has shown up in surging bond yields. After hitting a secular low of 2.5% on the 10 year note, yields jumped to 3.9%! Meanwhile, mortgage rates leapt from a low of 4.85% to 5.45% last week, following the move in Treasuries.

Therein lays the problem. The progenitor of this crisis was a collapse in real estate prices and it has shown only a few signs of stabilization in sales, but is still far from a marked recovery in prices. In fact, last month’s report on existing home sales showed a drop of 15.4% Y.O.Y. Both mortgage delinquencies and foreclosures reached record levels in Q1 2009 while the months’ supply of existing homes actually climbed to 10.2 from 9.6. So while mortgage rates are on the rise, housing fundamentals continue to exhibit weakness.

Those soaring bond yields and mortgage rates will wreak havoc on our debt-imbued economy. Already we saw a report by the Mortgage Bankers Association showing a drop of 16% in the Refinance and Purchase Index for the week ending May 29th. For an economy that has a total debt to GDP ratio of 370%, we can also expect dire repercussions in everything from credit card loans to municipal bonds.

This is why Mr. Bernanke’s next move on quantitative easing is so critical. Wednesday’s auction of $19 billion in 10 year notes and Thursday’s auction of $11 billion in 30 year bonds will be viewed with great anticipation. If Banana Ben steps up his manipulation of bond prices, the current fall in the dollar along with the rise in commodity prices and interest rates will seem inconsequential by comparison in the not too distant future.

Our government risks morphing what would have been a severe deflationary recession into an inflationary recession/depression in the longer term. Their decision to choose the inflationary route is based on the fact that inflation bails out those in debt. Make no mistake, for a country with $11.4 trillion in debt and a 2009 deficit equal to 13% of GDP, inflation is perceived as the only way out. However, inflation can never bail out anything or anyone, it only helps the very rich maintain their purchasing power while robbing it from the rest of the country. It will also be at the great expense of those who have made the mistake of holding their savings in dollar denominated fixed income instruments and who have not protected themselves by owning hard assets.

Michael Pento
Senior Market Strategist
Delta Global Advisors, Inc.

Comment by Neil
2009-06-09 12:11:11

This is why Mr. Bernanke’s next move on quantitative easing is so critical. Wednesday’s auction of $19 billion in 10 year notes and Thursday’s auction of $11 billion in 30 year bonds will be viewed with great anticipation.
Are these normal size bond sales? They seem a bit small…

Import inflation

Domestic deflation

I’ve predicted that for years. Its here.

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-06-09 09:14:56

Hey Mr. Bear, “The O.C.” doesn’t want your stinkin’ San Die-go “fancy pants” hotel…here you can have it back… :-)

O.C. investor giving San Diego hotel to the bank:
June 8th, 2009, OC Register by Jon Lansner

According to a press release from the San Clemente company …

* Competition in San Diego is steep. New hotels include a number of luxury boutique hotels, two additional Starwood-branded hotels and a 1,190-room convention hotel.
* Hotel has a $65 million, 6.14% mortgage due in 2018 — that means principal payments are 30 times the projected 2009 cash flow.
* Company skipped a June 1 loan payment.
* “As a result of negative supply and demand fundamentals in the San Diego market, we believe the intrinsic value of the W San Diego is now meaningfully below the principal amount of its debt. While the Company maintains more than adequate liquidity to support or repay this mortgage, we believe a conveyance of this hotel in settlement of the debt would be in the best interest of our stockholders as it would deleverage the Company.”
* “While the elective default of the W San Diego mortgage was precipitated by a number of unique, market and hotel-specific factors, in the future other factors may lead the Company to pursue similar options with certain of its other mortgaged hotels. The Company believes such cases will be limited in number.”

Comment by Matthew
2009-06-09 09:28:32

San Diego is a great city no doubt, but this city, like many other beautiful / warmer climate cities will continue to feel the pinch of a declining federal budget in the years ahead and more pressure on federal departments to trim their discretianary spending… it’s going to be harder and harder to justify those Las Vegas conventions in the years to come.. far too many hotels..

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 09:49:29

I enjoyed a $1.75 cup of green tea last night at a Starmucks in Little Italy (north end of downtown San Diego). Part of my willingness to do this was a false assumption there was free wireless in the joint. When I fired up my laptop with eager anticipation of getting caught up on the day’s HBB posts, I discovered they were trying to charge $12/hour for wireless.

Other than myself and one other fellow, the place was utterly devoid of customers. As I later explained to my daughter, it makes no sense to scare away $4/cup latte drinkers with $12/hour wireless access. They could probably pay to provide 1-day’s worth of free wireless for their customers with 1-hour’s worth of latte purchases. Oh well…

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-06-09 09:51:43

“Starmucks in Little Italy..”

What’s the word…extortion? ;-)

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-06-09 10:26:57

PB,
Here’s a trick that seems to work for me at Bigbucks. If you work for someone that requires you connect through a VPN, connect to the VPN, then load your browser.

I’m not sure why this works for me but if I go through the VPN I can get to the internets. If I don’t, ATTs page comes up asking me for my money.

Comment by Skip
2009-06-09 10:46:35

If you have a DSL account with AT&T you also get a free wireless account.

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Comment by MrBubble
2009-06-09 11:43:58

Agreed, PB. Just another reason never to go to Starbucks. I occasionally hit the head in one and ask the folks behind the counter whether they have free internet, say “Too bad.” and walk out. Then again, Ritual Roasters in SF covered all of the outlets in the place.

 
 
Comment by SaladSD
2009-06-09 20:55:11

Since the W seemed to cater to San Diego’s version of trustafarians, it’s no big surprise that the hotel can’t meet it’s debt obligation. Mommy and daddy in the broke-gate ‘burbs cut off their hotel guests “life lines”.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 09:21:06

Green shoots everywhere…

NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. bankruptcy filings rose in the first quarter to the highest since 2005, government data show, as rising unemployment, falling housing prices and tight credit made it harder for people to hold off their creditors.

There were 330,477 filings in the January-to-March period, up 10 percent from the previous quarter and up 35 percent from a year earlier, the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts said this week. Consumer bankruptcy filings rose 33 percent from a year earlier, while business filings rose 64 percent.

For the year ended March 31, bankruptcy filings rose 33 percent to 1,202,503. Experts expect further increases as the unemployment rate heads toward 10 percent and the economy struggles to emerge from an 18-month-old recession.

“There is a direct correlation with troublesome conditions in the economy: a lack of credit, margins being squeezed, and an inability to refinance,” said Leonard Goldberger, a partner at the law firm Stevens & Lee PC in Philadelphia and former vice president of the American Bankruptcy Institute (ABI). “And bankruptcy is historically a lagging indicator of the economy: today’s survivors can be tomorrow’s victims.”

Many states with large numbers of bankruptcies have been hit particularly hard by the housing crisis. California had the most filings in the quarter with 42,992, followed by 20,701 in Florida and 18,154 in Georgia. Illinois came next, followed by Michigan, Ohio, Tennessee, New York and Texas.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-06-09 09:42:01

Hey it’s kinda “hailing” behind “The Orange Curtain” today… ;-)

He’s kicked out of class when Dad can’t pay tuition:
By GREG HARDESTY / OC Register

“…It’s wrong of the school to do this to my son and to try to squeeze the money out of me,” says Thompson, 47, a nurse who has a second job at an entertainment company….”

“…It’s an increasingly common problem at Orange Lutheran and other private schools, which say they are doing their best to help families through economic hardships.

Schools, however, are paying closer attention to the bottom line – or risk cutting programs or even closure.

Notified last week that Dakota wouldn’t be able to take finals unless an outstanding tuition balance of $8,370 was paid in full, Jeff Thompson scrambled to save his son’s academic status.

In meetings, e-mails and phone calls with school officials, Thompson offered to pay $2,500 immediately – and possibly up to half of what he owes.

Thompson, who is divorced, says that since September he’s been supporting Dakota, himself, and his 21-year-old daughter on his 401-k retirement fund – which he says is down to less than $17,000. He says he’s also fallen behind on house payments.

In a letter sent last week to Orange Lutheran officials, the Orange resident promised to pay what he could now “to show some sort of good faith,” and pay the balance as soon as he could.

But a promise wasn’t enough.

On Friday, Gregg Pinick, executive director of Orange Lutheran, left a message on Thompson’s cell phone that said, in part:

“I truly believe we’re going to need the whole amount for (Dakota) to be able to take finals. I know that’s probably not the words you want to hear.”

Dakota showed up Tuesday anyway, hoping school officials would relent.

They didn’t, and now it’s unclear if Dakota will get credit for the semester.

Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 11:36:06

Hang in there Dakota, help is on the way!

“Anyone that wants to go to college should be able to”

Joe “Plugs” Biden
Oct, 2008

Comment by DinOR
2009-06-09 11:53:42

wmbz,

After the swine-flu scare I thought it was “bubble boy” but Plugs works.

 
 
 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-06-09 10:24:02

Regarding California’s budget crisis, I drove through N. California along (the) 5 to Sacramento, over to San Francisco, back to Sac, and back home this weekend. I took full advantage of the shortage, made generous use of my speedometer, and only saw one cop in 3 days.

It looks like they just gave up on Hwy 80 between SF and Sac in both directions. I thought the transitions from newly-paved to oldly-paved areas were going to rip the front end right off the car…but that, and the brain dead left-lane drivers, was the only thing slowing me down.

Comment by Rancher
2009-06-09 12:35:56

Try driving a large and heavy Motorcoach on Hwy
80 while going through Vacaville; it reminds me
of dirt roads in third world countries. All the clothes fell off the back closet in the bedroom and
we had plates falling from the upper kitchen cabinets. A wonderful experience, on a par with
gravel roads headed up to Yellowknife in the NWT.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-06-09 13:47:06

Oof, sorry Rancher, I have no sympathy for RVs. :-)

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2009-06-09 10:31:17

Total hours worked is equal to the total number of workers employed multiplied by the average length of the workweek for the average worker. The length of the workweek tends to respond at turning points faster than does the number of jobs. When demand is slowing, firms tend to cut back on overtime, and then switch to part-time workers or in some cases cut workers back to partial workweeks, before they lay them off. Conversely, when demand is rising, firms tend to end furloughs, and if necessary ask workers to work overtime, before they hire new workers. (The hours worked measure improved in April 1991 and November 2001 which on other grounds were eventually declared to mark the ends of their respective recessions.) The phenomenon is called “labor hoarding” and it is attributable to the costs of finding, hiring and training new workers and the costs in terms of severance pay and morale when firing workers.

Unfortunately, as reported by Forbes, pursuing this logic leads to second thoughts about whether the most recent BLS announcement was really good news after all. The length of the average work week fell to its lowest since 1964 ! The graph below shows that, not only did total hours worked decline in May, but the rate of decline (0.7%) was very much in line with the rate of contraction that workers have experienced since September. Hours worked suggests that the hope-inspiring May moderation in the job loss series may have been a monthly aberration. If firms were really gearing up to start hiring workers once again, why would they now be cutting back as strongly as ever on the hours that they ask their existing employees to work? My bottom line: the labor market does not quite yet suggest that the economy has hit bottom.

content.ksg.harvard.edu/blog/jeff_frankels_weblog/2009/06/08/the-labor-market-has-not-yet-signaled-a-turning-point/

I got this link from Krugman’s Blog

i think an even better measurement would be average dollars and benefits brought home each week. Pay cuts, benefit cuts, and lost overtime likely make this drop off look even more like a cliff.

Also stated in this article

But I believe that we also agree, on the other hand, that employment is usually a lagging indicator of economic activity. (For example, the economy continued to lose jobs long after the ends of the 1991 and 2001 recessions. Hence the “jobless recoveries.”)

Given that the 1991 and 2001 recessions were ended by increased lending and that we won’t have increased lending this time. Will job losses be a lagging indicator? I suspect it will lag # of hours worked and pay taken home each week, but that we can’t have improved economic activity until more money ends up in more wallets. I think that at some point they need to get money into the hands of those that will spend it, in a way that makes them confident enough to spend.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 10:32:47

EDITORIAL: Kneecapping FedEx…
Democrats carry freight for Teamsters and UPS
By | Tuesday, June 9, 2009

FedEx Express is learning what could be the Democrats’ economic motto — “Never Let Success Go Unpunished.”

Led by Rep. James L. Oberstar, Minnesota Democrat, the House on May 21 passed legislation that contains an almost hidden provision — a mere 230 words — that would hobble FedEx Express. It would do so by completely changing the labor laws under which the company operates. Unless the Senate removes the language from the underlying bill reauthorizing the Federal Aviation Administration, a mere dozen or so workers in just one city could hamstring much of the nation’s overnight delivery service.

We Americans take for granted that things can “absolutely, positively … be there overnight” — but it took FedEx Express to make that so. FedEx Express is, of course, one of the great corporate success stories of modern times, having grown from a mere idea in a 1965 term paper by Yale University undergraduate Frederick W. Smith into a company essential to the workings of our modern economy.

It is a little-known fact that FedEx contracts with the U.S. Postal Service to carry almost all of its Express Mail and a large proportion of its Priority Mail. FedEx delivers huge amounts of needed supplies for American military forces, too — and its service is just about the only way to guarantee that some lifesaving medicines reach patients overnight.

Lawmakers have long recognized that certain sorts of transportation companies are the lifeblood of interstate commerce. That’s why they wrote the Railway Labor Act to apply special labor-relations rules to railroads and, eventually, airline-based businesses such as FedEx Express. Since 1926, the RLA has provided successfully for means other than strikes to resolve labor disputes fairly and quickly, without favoring either side.

The RLA does not, however, apply to non-rail, mostly ground-transportation companies such as the United Parcel Service. UPS instead is governed by the National Labor Relations Act (NLRA), the terms of which favor unions such as the Teamsters, which represents UPS drivers. Naturally, this means UPS and the Teamsters both have an interest in kneecapping FedEx Express. Together, the ground-delivery company and the union have executed what The Hill newspaper called a lobbying “pincer movement” to transfer authority over FedEx Express from the RLA to the NLRA.

The UPS corporate political action committee has “given more money to federal lawmakers than any other company over two decades,” according to Bloomberg News, with $77,900 from UPS employees going to Mr. Oberstar since 1989. The Teamsters, who lean heavily Democratic, have donated $86,500 to Mr. Oberstar during that period.

Comment by SaladSD
2009-06-09 21:07:05

Your facts are a little skewed. The UPS PAC has favored Republicans for years. In the last election cycle, 45% to Democrats, 55% to Republicans, according to the Open Secrets website which tracks donations.

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-06-09 10:36:00

Total hours worked is equal to the total number of workers employed multiplied by the average length of the workweek for the average worker. The length of the workweek tends to respond at turning points faster than does the number of jobs. When demand is slowing, firms tend to cut back on overtime, and then switch to part-time workers or in some cases cut workers back to partial workweeks, before they lay them off. Conversely, when demand is rising, firms tend to end furloughs, and if necessary ask workers to work overtime, before they hire new workers. (The hours worked measure improved in April 1991 and November 2001 which on other grounds were eventually declared to mark the ends of their respective recessions.) The phenomenon is called “labor hoarding” and it is attributable to the costs of finding, hiring and training new workers and the costs in terms of severance pay and morale when firing workers.

Unfortunately, as reported by Forbes, pursuing this logic leads to second thoughts about whether the most recent BLS announcement was really good news after all. The length of the average work week fell to its lowest since 1964 ! The graph below shows that, not only did total hours worked decline in May, but the rate of decline (0.7%) was very much in line with the rate of contraction that workers have experienced since September. Hours worked suggests that the hope-inspiring May moderation in the job loss series may have been a monthly aberration. If firms were really gearing up to start hiring workers once again, why would they now be cutting back as strongly as ever on the hours that they ask their existing employees to work? My bottom line: the labor market does not quite yet suggest that the economy has hit bottom.

I got this link from Krugman’s Blog

i think an even better measurement would be average dollars and benefits brought home each week. Pay cuts, benefit cuts, and lost overtime likely make this drop off look even more like a cliff.

May be a repost

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 10:39:55

Why should you pay the slightest attention to what this nearly 94 year old lady says about the economy? Because Anna Schwartz has been a respected working economist since 1935 and has been with the National Bureau for Economic Research since 1941. She co-authored the noted Monetary History of the United States with Milton Friedman, and still works every day!

Later today she will tell National Public Radio’s “Marketplace” that we brought the present financial crisis on ourselves and we’ll have to pay for it. (It was her pal Friedman, remember, who came up with the phrase “There is no such thing as a ‘free lunch.’

Comment by exeter
2009-06-09 10:46:20

Milton Friedman? The high priest of the chicago school of economic quackery?

rigggggghhht.

 
Comment by bananarepublic
2009-06-09 10:54:40

Agree 100%. And I think we will pay for it via inflation.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 10:49:50

This should come as no surprise, but to all the dupes who buy/bought into to the global warming scam, the good news is they will feel the ‘change’ like everyone else.

MidAmerican Sees Carbon Trading Adding $120 to Bills (Update1)
By Jim Polson and Peter Cook

June 9 (Bloomberg) — MidAmerican Energy Holdings Co., the utility owner controlled by Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway Inc., said carbon-emissions trading as proposed under pending U.S. legislation would add $120 a month to an average customer’s power bill.

A so-called cap-and-trade system for reducing carbon emissions would raise power costs without cutting emissions from plants, MidAmerican Chairman David Sokol said today in an interview in Washington.

“It creates a false tax,” said Sokol, whose Omaha-based company owns utilities and power plants in the U.S. West and Midwest. “For the average family, it’s a $120 per-month increase in their electric bill, and nothing of value comes from it.”

The bill’s target, an 83 percent reduction of carbon dioxide emissions by 2050, can be achieved, Sokol said.

Utilities must replace coal-fired and gas-fired power plants or develop commercial technology to strip carbon dioxide from their exhaust, he said.

“That’s where the money should be spent,” Sokol said. “Adding this trading regimen is a duplicative cost.”

MidAmerican would spend $9.3 billion over the next 20 years on physical plant improvements to meet the bill’s carbon-dioxide reduction target, Sokol said. Buying emissions allowances would add another $9 billion of costs, he said. The brunt of the additional costs would be passed on to consumers.

The legislation would require refiners, utilities and manufacturers to acquire carbon dioxide pollution allowances that could be traded on a market as part of an effort to cut emissions 17 percent below 2005 levels by 2020. The House Energy and Commerce Committee approved the bill May 21 and it is awaiting review by other panels.

Some allowances would be given away free to companies and states, who might sell them to finance carbon-dioxide reduction.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-06-09 11:09:26

It’s okay, they’re already promising to further subsidize energy costs for those that they deem poor. That way everyone can sleep at night knowing all is right with the world.

Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 11:26:05

“It’s okay, they’re already promising to further subsidize energy costs for those that they deem poor”.

Well, I’m going to get poor quick and avoid the rush!

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-09 12:20:53

Well, I’m going to get poor quick and avoid the rush!

We all are, wmbz, we all are.

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Comment by pismoclam
2009-06-09 20:20:16

Dairy cows and feed lot cattle create more CO2 and smog in Ca central valley than all the trucks and autos on 99 and I-5.Little known fact. Someone tell algore.

 
 
Comment by MrBubble
2009-06-09 11:26:08

“This should come as no surprise, but to all the dupes who buy/bought into to the global warming scam, the good news is they will feel the ‘change’ like everyone else.”

Just because you “believe” in the science that supports the reality global warming doesn’t mean that you are for or against policy change. One is thing is science and the other is a mitigation strategy. I just cannot, for the life of me, figure out why there is so much resistance to the evidence. I can see why one might not agree on what to do about it, but global warming is happening. If we called it a “CO2 bubble”, could you get behind it?

I guess that you can keep banging the conservative, head-in-the-sand ideological drum and I will continue to bang the reality science drum. Gets old though, trying to explain things to people who just won’t do the intellectual leg-work rather than parroting a knee-jerk ideology. What’s in in for you to “deny” global warming? I’m not even talking about the IPCC projections. Just talking about the data.

MrBubble

Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 11:49:09

“Global Warming” has the same odor of every other environmental campaign of the past forty years, which is to create a panic with selective and/or manipulated numbers, to further their desired environmental policies, and force other people to pay for it.

No cost-benefit analysis……it’s all “good”. Unless someone actually goes back to look at the cost, and find that a horrendous amount of time and money is spent, for incremental “improvements” in air or water quality. All of the “solutions” are going to cost a lot more, perform a lot worse, or both.

Nothing we do (including shutting the country down, and putting half the population into the unemployment line) is going to do much, unless China, India, etc. come on board……and they’ve already told everyone to go pound sand.

Comment by nerox3
2009-06-09 13:35:28

There have been lots of environmental campaigns that have hyped science for political ends, but they are not the only ones who hype science for political ends. The global warming denial industry does it as well. I would take anything you read about climate change in the popular press with a huge grain of salt as it was probably planted there by somebody to advance their political agenda.

That doesn’t alter the fact that there is a scientific concensus that we are likely to experience severe climate change over the next centuries due to our alteration of the atmosphere. I’ll accept the IPCC reports as the best place to find the conservative interpretation of the current state of scientific knowledge. (Severe climate change, of course, doesn’t mean on a human lifespan scale, but relative to the climate record of the past few thousand years. )

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Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 14:12:17

“…..planted there to advance their political agenda”

Not just “climate change”. Pretty much any agenda you can think of has had the stats “massaged”

Say what you will about dictatorships……having as single “truth” makes it a lot easier to develop a concensus on what should be done to address the problem.

Pretty hard to come up with a solution everyone can agree on, when there is so much disagreement on what/how bad the problem is.

There’s an old saying…. “A “good” plan implemented “NOW”, is superior to a “perfect” plan implemented later.” Everybody wastes time in this country waiting for the “perfect plan”…….which is never perfect, when it does show.

Add to that the tendancy of Republicans to wish their opposition would leave the country, and the Democrats tendancy to try to put their political opposition in jail…….

 
 
Comment by pismoclam
2009-06-09 20:13:01

Check with Dr. Claude Allegre! He and over 650 respected scientists say the GWarming is a hoax. Didn’t you just love that the two algore reporters from SanFran got put in the slammer

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Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-06-09 11:54:34

“I just cannot, for the life of me, figure out why there is so much resistance to the evidence.”

Because the models linking CO2 concentrations to global temperatures have had zero predictive capacity to date. NASA scientists last week finally acknowledged the effects of solar activity (or lack thereof) on temperatures, because they’ve been forced to by the overwhelming evidence of the last decade.

But, I keep forgetting, the science is settled.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 11:58:22

“Gets old though, trying to explain things to people who just won’t do the intellectual leg-work rather than parroting a knee-jerk ideology”. What’s in in for you to “deny” global warming?

There are literally dozens in the scientific community that refute the global warming claim. Over and over again, however it doesn’t line up with your “facts” so you brush their work off.

Very common thing to do, if someone does not agree, and lays out their facts/research that run counter to your train of thought, then they must be wrong. Many people like to think they are superior to others in their ‘intellect’.

Global warming is just another boogie man, however tons of money will be and have been made in it’s promotion!

Comment by MrBubble
2009-06-09 13:05:06

wmbz –

“There are literally dozens in the scientific community that refute the global warming claim.”

Yep. Literally dozens… versus thousands.

“Over and over again, however it doesn’t line up with your “facts” so you brush their work off.”

Their facts are easily refutable. If you give them to me, even I can demonstrate.

“…lays out their facts/research that run counter to your train of thought” Again, their facts are not facts. Give me the data and I will show you.

*******
iftheshoefits –

“Because the models linking CO2 concentrations to global temperatures have had zero predictive capacity to date. NASA scientists last week finally acknowledged the effects of solar activity (or lack thereof) on temperatures, because they’ve been forced to by the overwhelming evidence of the last decade. But, I keep forgetting, the science is settled.”

1) I did not even bring up anything concerning predictive models. (But if I did, I would say that the observed data is even worse than the worst predictive IPCC scenario).

2) Of course solar activity has an effect on temperature. It’s just that the forcing from solar activity is not enough/in the wrong direction for the observed climate change.

X-GSfixer –

““Global Warming” has the same odor of every other environmental campaign of the past forty years.”

I am not talking about a tree-hugging campaign. I am talking physical reality here.

” All of the “solutions” are going to cost a lot more, perform a lot worse, or both.”

I disagree. Creating the technology to live an a time with less access to fossil fuels will 1) allow us to sell the tech and 2) avoid costly wars for dwindling resources.

I don’t tell you how to fix planes, do I? That’s because I wouldn’t know sweet FA what I’m talking about. But, I could probably find some article on the interweb saying that they are easy to fix and fly themselves (joke). So why are you taking a dump on my doorstep?

“This is not a joke! This is my job!” — Donald Sutherland in “Animal House”

MrBubble

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Comment by MrBubble
2009-06-09 13:31:50

“an a time” = “in a time”. And that was just the first rebuttal point off the top of my head. I just think that the solutions are there if we, as proud Americans, are willing to be bold. Maybe some jingoism will light a fire under you “nattering nabobs of negativity”! :wink:

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 13:47:56

“Yep. Literally dozens… versus thousands”.

Dozens-thousands who’s right who’s wrong, to many parrots.

Numbers do not win the argument. The good news is that the “Global Warming” debate(and it’s still a debate) is slipping into obscurity at a rapid clip, which is big because the MSM has been 100% in the tank for the likes of Gore and his cronies/followers.

I do know one thing that is certain, the climate on this planet has been changing since day one, and man is damn arrogant to think they can control or have a huge impact on it.

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-06-09 14:08:35

“I did not even bring up anything concerning predictive models. (But if I did, I would say that the observed data is even worse than the worst predictive IPCC scenario).”

That is absolutely false. I’m not wasting any more time debating a propagandist, which you’ve just demonstrated that you are.

 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 14:33:02

“…..taking a dump on your doorstep…..”

I’m not prepared to say global warming exists, because some unknown guy named on a blog named “MrBubble” says so……..sorry, but without knowing your background, that’s they way it is. Don’t take it personal :)

I’m not saying that global warming isn’t happening. The problem is, the scientific community has thrown the “sky is falling” message so many times, on so many other issues, that nobody is taking these claims on face value.

I stand by my statement…….every “green” initiative that I’ve been involved with has cost a lot more, performed worse, or both, compared to the existing technology. I’m not talking theoretical, I’m talking real world direct experience. And all these costs get passed on to Joe Q,, one way or another. Add the global warming agenda with about a thousand other agendas, and pretty soon you are talking real money.

The cost of complying with all these agendas has caused as much job displacement overseas as pay differentials.

P.S. I dare you to find an article saying airplane fixing is easy…..you are more likely to find articles about how there is a shortage of people to work airplanes, because they pay scale sucks vs. the hours/training/responsibility required to do the job. :)

 
Comment by Jon
2009-06-09 14:35:24

wmbz:

“I do know one thing that is certain, the climate on this planet has been changing since day one, and man is damn arrogant to think they can control or have a huge impact on it.”

The earth has been around for a long time, and the climate has changed a bunch during that time. But what fraction of that time has man been around? What fraction of that time has 6 billion people been around? What fraction of that time has 6 billion people been heavily using fossil fuels?

The interesting question is whether 6 billion people can live on this planet if the climate changes substantially. What if only 2 billion can? Are your kids going to be part of the 2 billion? or the other 4?

 
 
 
 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-06-09 11:26:56

“…..nothing of value will come of it.”

Waddaya mean, nothing of value?

-Millions of new jobs will shoot up, to track the “Carbon Trading Circle Jerk”

-It will be the “incentive” that people need to go out and buy “green” technologies, whether it makes sense or not.

-Governments at all levels will have a new cookie jar to get their hands into.

-All that shivering burns a lot of calories.

What’s not to like?

Go long on firewood, matches, swamp coolers, and textiles/woolen clothing/Gore-Tex.

Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 12:28:57

-It will be the “incentive” that people need to go out and buy “green” technologies, whether it makes sense or not.

Damn right, I’ve made a few extra bucks trading some start ups.

I say a windmill in every yard, and so does GE.

Gotta love it, fly on.

 
 
 
Comment by Groundhogday
2009-06-09 10:54:39

Here is the Pullman, WA market in a nutshell (and many other places I presume):
pullman.craigslist dot org/reo/1213101817.html

2 bedroom luxury condos built in 2007-08, originally listed at $250k. Almost nothing has sold, and the units are now marked down to $183,500… supposedly selling at cost. Rents listed at $1350/mo, but they’ve been trying to rent these for a year and only found two suckers stupid enough to pay that price for a 2 bed with zero yard (not even a backdoor or window). Real rental value, perhaps $1000/mo (even that is a bit high for 2-bedroom, right next door 3 bedroom 10-year old townhomes with small yards rent for $1000/mo).

So the developer feels like he is “giving” these units away. But they still don’t pencil out. Eventually this development will pull the developer under, but it will be at least a year before these are foreclosed and come back on the market… probably at a too-high price. Then another year for the lender to accept the loss and mark these puppies down to a reasonable price.

Bottom line: This bubble is going to be unwinding for several more years. Time to renew that lease.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-06-09 12:03:17

Same thing is happening in Salt Lake. From what I gather in other bubble areas ahead of us on the curve, a lot of these condo projects will end up reverting to apartment rentals once the foreclosure/bankruptcy process works its way through. Almost no one wants to be the first to sign on to an HOA that’s not going to make it.

BTW groundhog, I’m looking seriously at a long term career opportunitythat would be based out of your town. Any chance we could chat about the area offline?

Comment by Groundhogday
2009-06-09 14:52:14

sure, give me an email account you feel safe putting upon on the blog.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-06-09 15:17:11

jjraynes *at* yahoo dot com - thanks!

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Comment by SouthWest Steve
2009-06-09 11:00:22

I sold my house!!!!!!! Moving to the good, uncrowded part of CA to get a better deal!

Comment by SouthWest Steve
2009-06-09 12:07:46

It took 11 months and a 20% hit from the peak. Not bad, as I plan on selling low and buying EVEN LOWER next year!! GREAT FORUM!!

 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-06-09 12:31:12

I’d be interested in hearing where this “good, uncrowded” part of CA lies. In my experience, all of the good areas of CA have been ruined by overcrowding, over development, and high prices.

 
Comment by Anthony
2009-06-09 19:24:08

Don’t move to Eureka/Humboldt county. Home prices here are now far higher than San Diego county as they haven’t fallen. Most homes are selling at 2005 levels. The dope trade has been keeping prices artificially HIGH.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2009-06-09 11:04:19

Test… Have I been Borked?

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-09 12:23:11

BORK!

You have now.

Chicky.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-06-09 11:06:26

From the U-T article:

“This hotel is down so much, but the economy is the biggest issue,” said Arthur Buser, president and chief executive of San Clemente-based Sunstone. Sunstone said it made the decision to default on its June payment after its loan servicer rejected a proposal to modify its loan.

“San Diego is one of our worst-performing markets,” Buser added. “Over Memorial Day, people were saying they could get rooms for $99 or $109 a night in the San Diego luxury market. When you see how low people are dropping prices and how big the debt is and how much additional money we’d have to commit to debt service, it is clear this hotel will not be worth the principal amount of its debt for the foreseeable future.”

” For the first four months of this year, the average room rate for downtown San Diego luxury hotels was $194, a 12 percent drop from a year earlier when the rate averaged nearly $221, according to Smith Travel Research. Similarly, occupancy dropped 11 percentage points to 66 percent through April of this year.”

““Most people in the hotel industry are expecting a fire sale on distressed assets that in some cases are 30, 40, 50 percent of the original value.”

” The W’s biggest problem, several observers agree, was that Sunstone purchased it for far more than it was worth at a time when the lodging industry was much healthier. Sunstone acknowledged that the $250,000 debt per room at the W is roughly twice that of its other mortgaged hotels.”

That’s a stunning number, debt of $250k per room!

“You’re supposed to buy low and sell high, and they did the reverse,” said San Diego hotel consultant Jerry Morrison. “They were probably running 10-year projections and market studies that told them the market would inflate, but the bottom line is the market doesn’t work that way.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 11:12:39

Obama Tells American Businesses to Drop Dead:
Kevin Hassett

June 8 (Bloomberg) — I’ve finally figured out the Obama economic strategy. President Barack Obama and his team have been having so much fun wielding dictatorial power while rescuing “failed” firms, that they have developed a scheme to gain the same power over every business. The plan is to enact policies that are so anticompetitive that every firm needs a bailout.

Once that happens, their new pay czar Kenneth Feinberg can set the wage for everybody and Rahm Emanuel can stack the boards of all of our companies with his political cronies.

I know, it sounds like an exaggeration. But look at it this way. If there were a power ranking of U.S. companies, like the ones compiled by football writers for National Football League teams, Microsoft would surely be first or second to Google. But last week, Microsoft Chief Executive Officer Steve Ballmer came to Washington to announce what Microsoft would do if Obama’s multinational tax policy is enacted.

“It makes U.S. jobs more expensive,” Ballmer said, “We’re better off taking lots of people and moving them out of the U.S.” If Microsoft, perhaps our most competitive company, has to abandon the U.S. in order to continue to thrive, who exactly is going to stay?

At issue is Obama’s policy to end the deferral of multinational taxation.

The U.S. now has about the highest combined corporate tax rate, second only to Japan among industrialized countries. That rate is so high that U.S. firms have an enormous disadvantage versus competitors. The average corporate tax rate for the major developed countries in the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development in 2008 was about 27 percent, more than 10 percentage points lower than the U.S. rate.

Tax Burden

U.S. firms have nonetheless prospered because our tax code allows a business to set up a subsidiary in a low-tax country. When that subsidiary earns profits, they are taxed at the rate of that country, and don’t face U.S. tax until the money is mailed home.

The economically illiterate partisan Democratic view is that this practice is unpatriotic and bleeds jobs from the U.S. The economic reality is that American companies use this approach to acquire market share overseas. The alternative is losing the business to foreign competitors.

Don’t just take my word for it. A recent paper by Harvard economists Mihir Desai and C. Fritz Foley and Berkeley economist James Hines and published in the distinguished American Economic Review, gathered data on American multinationals to explore the impact of foreign investments on domestic U.S. activity.

Encourage Overseas Sales

Their conclusion was striking. The authors found that “10 percent greater foreign capital investment is associated with 2.2 percent greater domestic investment, and that 10 percent greater foreign employee compensation is associated with 4 percent greater domestic employee compensation. Changes in foreign and domestic sales, assets, and numbers of employees are likewise positively associated; the evidence also indicates that greater foreign investment is associated with additional domestic exports and R&D spending.”

So when firms expand their operations abroad, taking advantage of the lower foreign tax rates, it helps their workers in the U.S. Higher sales abroad (surprise, surprise) are good for domestic workers.

It is worth noting that this study, which is confirmed by a boatload of evidence elsewhere, was coauthored by the same James Hines who recently wrote a sweeping review of international tax policy with Obama’s top economist, Larry Summers. Summers has to know what the literature says.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-06-09 12:05:12

If Microsoft, perhaps our most competitive company, has to abandon the U.S. in order to continue to thrive, who exactly is going to stay?

I beg to differ with the above.

For one thing, Microsoft didn’t get to where it is by producing better software. (Quick case in point: Internet Explorer vs. Mozilla Firefox.) It got there via monopoly power and by buying up the innovations of other companies. (Back to the Internet Explorer example: It wasn’t invented at MS. Rather, MS, bought it from a smaller firm.)

Comment by josemanolo7
2009-06-09 16:30:55

ever heard of how scared they are of google?

 
 
Comment by jane
2009-06-09 20:50:01

I don’t buy it. Consider the source. I’m sorry. It flies right in the face of what I’m seeing with outsourcing. I don’t care where it was published. If that lying Goldman scum had a hand in it, it is full of crap. And his grad student co-author - Indian, is it? - has a whole extended family complete with litters to support with our exported jobs. Probably laying down the whisper campaign concerning which next tranche of jobs to target, and making book on it.

This was quite a coup for that lying scum. And quite a sellout for the journal. I wonder how the money changed hands.

This is a worldwide leveling thingie. We were at the equivalent of Mt. Everest peak level. “They” were down there swimming with the crayfish in the valley streams.

In a leveling, guess what happens faster - the fall down or the surgence up?

Riiight.

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-06-09 11:42:57

Calling PB/GS, calling PB/GS…

How does the PPSF work out on this beauty?

(From the Chicago Tribune today)

The U.S. Postal Service postal service announced Tuesday that, after more than a decade of trying to sell the 3-million-square-foot former Chicago facility through conventional channels, it has decided to auction it to the highest bidder.

While the suggested opening bid for the facility that spans the Eisenhower Expressway is $300,000, there is no minimum bid, said postal service spokesman Mark Reynolds.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-06-09 12:26:33

I bid one forever stamp! If they hold it long enough, they can claim whatever price they want for their bottom line!

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 19:25:16

“If they hold it long enough, they can claim whatever price they want…”

Are you assuming the Fed will hold interest rates at 0 percent forever?

 
 
Comment by Rental Watch
2009-06-09 17:50:11

It may not be worth that… How much does it cost to maintain, etc.? What users would want the space?

I remember seeing a very nice office building for $6 psf on the outskirts of a town, and not wanting to buy it–rents were too low relative to the cost to maintain the building and get it improved for tenant occupancy.

Same thing is happening with residential land in some cases, banks are giving away the finished lots so they can stop paying the property taxes, security, their share of any HOA, etc.

 
 
Comment by Zombie Banks
2009-06-09 12:29:32

300 million or 300k?
sounds like a good place for a new green auto manufacturing plant.
No sale just a takeover.

 
Comment by KyleO
2009-06-09 12:33:53

http://madison.craigslist.org/reo/1213347475.html

This seemed like an especially stupid listing to me. To this point I’ve avoided harassing sellers/UHS for stupid listings, but I’m in a bad mood and that may end today.

Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 13:31:35

“We had an open house on Sunday and people were walking around with their mouths open”.

Because they were drooling morons!

Comment by pismoclam
2009-06-09 20:42:42

A moron is one step above an imbecile, and two steps above an idiot. Please don’t knock morons.Washington is now full of them.

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-06-09 13:37:56

The listing mentions that they have an offer coming. I can’t help asking if that offer is truly coming, or is it just breathing hard?

Comment by hunkydory
2009-06-09 19:26:16

hahaa- good one Slim!!

 
Comment by Groundhogday
2009-06-09 21:09:48

LOL!

 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-06-09 14:17:57

I threw a comment at them.

 
Comment by Groundhogday
2009-06-09 21:11:13

That is not a good location, tough commute through the isthmus. How far below list do you think that offer will be?

Comment by KyleO
2009-06-10 12:08:11

Kyle

If it were to exist, it would probably be pretty close. The number of fools buying houses around these parts astounds me.

Oh, and this isn’t a location for anyone who visits the isthmus. It’s a rare area of fancified rednecks who want to be close to the cruddy areas of a city.

 
 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-06-09 12:42:59

10 banks were given the go-ahead to pay back TARP funds today. They will most likely celebrate with large bonuses, hiring of cheaper, foreign workers, and the standard thumbing of their noses at all that is fair and ethical. Should they see another leg down, they’ll most certainly come back begging for more help. Our response should be “HELL NO!” There should be stipulations for any institution exiting the TARP program that they will no longer qualify for help under it, and be allowed to fail should they find themselves in the same predicament. No more corporate welfare.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 13:02:27

‘Our response should be “HELL NO!”’

As I recall, there was very little voter support for the TARP, which Hank Paulson and the Congress nonetheless passed.

Money talks, BS walks.

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-06-09 12:49:15

The economically illiterate partisan Democratic view is that this practice is unpatriotic and bleeds jobs from the U.S. The economic reality is that American companies use this approach to acquire market share overseas. The alternative is losing the business to foreign competitors.

Pure BS It’s a tax dodge pure and simple.

Why do you think so many companies are fighting for that huge market share in the Cayman islands.

Again I say let Microsoft threaten to offshore labor, which they already do. US threat can be evaluating their status as an unregulated monopoly.

 
Comment by Karen
2009-06-09 13:07:37

Court puts legal cloud over foreclosure sales

By Jerry Kronenberg | Tuesday, June 9, 2009 | Real Estate

A Springfield judge’s ruling has thrown the entire Massachusetts foreclosure market into disarray by bolstering claims that lenders improperly seized thousands of Bay State homes.

Experts say Land Court Judge Richard Long’s recent decision to void two Springfield-area foreclosures over procedural flaws has gummed up resale of foreclosed homes across the state.

“It’s just stopped everything,” said North Andover broker Linda Kody, who specializes in reselling foreclosed properties for banks.

Kody said Long’s ruling, first reported yesterday by industry publication Banker & Tradesman, has halted at least 12 of her resale deals.

Would-be buyers can’t get title insurance on homes with “clouded” ownership, Kody said, and banks, in turn, generally won’t OK mortgages without title coverage.

Long ruled that due to faulty paperwork, U.S. Bank and Wells Fargo Bank don’t really own the Greater Springfield homes that each foreclosed upon separately in 2007.

The judge found that the banks held foreclosure auctions even though both lacked documents at the time proving that they really owned the homeowners’ mortgages. That “clouded” each property’s title, discouraging any third party from bidding on the homes, Long ruled.

“None of this is the fault of the (homeowner), yet the (consumer) suffers due to fewer or no bids in competition with the foreclosing institution,” the judge wrote in his decision.

Experts say paperwork flaws are common in foreclosures these days, as mortgages often changed hands over and over again during the 1998-2005 housing boom. Any missing paperwork can call into question whether a bank really owned a loan it foreclosed upon.

Lawyer Gary Klein, who’s filed a federal class-action lawsuit aimed at undoing some 2,000 Bay State foreclosures on such grounds, said Long’s ruling strengthens his case. “Lenders simply stopped following the law for their own convenience,” Klein said.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 13:27:05

A snippet…

Two Ways to Deleverage an Economy
by Bill Bonner
London, England

The dumb money is fairly easy to spot. It’s the money that always shows up late to the party, wearing yesterday’s fashions. It watches TV and thinks the reality shows show reality…it thinks Ben Bernanke is a great economist…that the SEC protects investors from fraud and misrepresentation…and that Tim Geithner makes sure the economy keeps running smoothly.

It’s the dumb money that thinks you can correct a generation-long period of credit growth in 24 months…with less than 10% unemployment…

Stocks have now been in a rally for three months. The longer this goes on, of course, the dumber money gets. People come to think the bounce is a permanent bull market.

Yesterday, not much happened. Stocks held steady. Oil too. Gold fell $8…closing at $952. And the dollar rose to $1.39 per euro.

But while the dumb money has its eyes on the stock market, the smart money is watching the economy.

Unemployment has risen to 9.4 million in the United States. Experts think the rate of job losses is slowing. But month after month, more and more people are not collecting wages. Instead, they’re coming to rely on handouts from the government. The press reports that one in every six Americans is now on some form of government life-support. (More on that…tomorrow…)

Same thing in the housing sector. Robert Shiller says the housing slump has already knocked prices down 32%…and has a long way to go. This alone guarantees a long period of adjustment. Bad decisions - usually those with huge debt bombs attached - will blow up…then they need to be cleaned up…and then, after the destruction, comes the constructive rebuilding. All that takes time…years.

People whose houses are going down in price…and whose incomes are falling…do not buy more stuff. Sales go down…profits go down…and dividends go down. Why would investors buy stocks when earnings and dividends are falling? Good question. Pull your shorts up, dear reader…pull your shorts up.

House prices are still going down - but not as fast. Still, big resets, defaults and foreclosures are still on the way - in prime and Alt-A mortgages. But there is still time to protect yourself from this second wave of defaults. Get all the information you need in this special report.

Meanwhile, when companies don’t sell…they don’t ship either.

The trucking industry says traffic is off 13% from a year before - the biggest drop in 13 years.

Airplanes are carrying 21% less cargo. And the commercial airline industry says it is losing $9 billion this year.

As for shipping…well, don’t even bring it up. Shipping has been in a catastrophic slump since last year - with cargo rates down 90%.

 
Comment by tresho
2009-06-09 13:39:31

Congress stirs in its deep sleep: U.S. House lawmakers on Tuesday said they would file a subpoena to compel the Federal Reserve to turn over internal notes and emails detailing the central bank’s role in encouraging Bank of America Corp. to complete its acquisition of Merrill Lynch & Co.

Comment by tresho
2009-06-09 16:01:43

Bloomberg added this detail: the subpoena was issued for the details after the panel was unable to obtain them through a request last week…Committee Chairman Edolphus Towns, a New York Democrat, and Ohio Representative Dennis Kucinich, chairman of the domestic policy subcommittee, sent Bernanke a letter this month requesting 43 items, including e-mails from Bernanke and other officials, meeting notes and the Fed’s analysis of the companies’ merger. The Fed “refused” to provide the documents, resulting in the subpoena, California Representative Darrell Issa, the panel’s senior Republican, said in an e-mailed statement today. This truly is a “green shoot,” IMO.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 18:57:49

Hopefully this development portends the heightened transparency which Bernanke promised upon taking over as Fed chairman.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 18:59:21

Financial Times
House subpoenas Fed over BoA-Merrill role
By Tom Braithwaite in Washington
Published: June 9 2009 21:14 | Last updated: June 9 2009 21:14

The Federal Reserve was served with a subpoena from a Congressional committee on Tuesday, as lawmakers demanded documents related to Bank of America’s acquisition of Merrill Lynch.

The rare move by the House oversight and government reform committee is another dent in the Fed’s closely guarded independence and adds to growing political pressure.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 22:46:08

Has the Fed ever previously been subpoenaed? Perhaps they are not above the Constitution, after all?

As long as Congress is in an investigatin’ mood, is there any chance they will explore the conjecture that the star crossed marriage of BoA to Countryslide was also a shotgun marriage arranged by that sly matchmaker, Cagey B?

(Just how many sleazy lenders did BoA sleep with, anyway? And can banks practice polygamy?

I believe the correct answers are: “Lots,” and “of course they can.”)

Washington Post
Lawmakers Order Fed to Relinquish Merrill Documents

Bank of America CEO Kenneth Lewis said he informed Fed and Treasury officials in December that he was concerned about the Merrill deal.

By Amit R. Paley
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 10, 2009

A congressional oversight committee issued a subpoena yesterday to force the Federal Reserve to turn over internal documents related to Bank of America’s acquisition of Merrill Lynch, part of a growing investigation into whether government officials pressured the bank to withhold details about the deal from investors.

The subpoena, which was issued by the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, is highly unusual and the first issued by the panel this year. It comes after the Fed refused to send the committee internal e-mails and notes related to its role in the purchase.

In written testimony prepared for a committee hearing tomorrow, Bank of America chief executive Kenneth Lewis says he informed Treasury and Fed officials that he “had concerns about closing the transaction” in mid-December after he “became aware of significant, accelerating losses at Merrill Lynch.”

“At that time, we considered declaring a ‘material adverse change,’ which as a matter of contract law can, if upheld, allow an acquirer to avoid consummating a deal,” Lewis said in the testimony, which was obtained by The Washington Post. “Treasury and Federal Reserve representatives asked us to delay any such action, and expressed significant concerns about the systemic consequences and risk to Bank of America of pursuing such a course.”

Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and other regulators have previously denied pressuring Lewis to withhold any information about the deal.

But lawmakers and financial analysts have suggested that Bernanke and former Treasury secretary Henry M. Paulson Jr. forced Bank of America to acquire Merrill Lynch despite ballooning losses at the brokerage firm. The deal went through in January, the same month that the government agreed to guarantee up to $118 billion in losses by Bank of America, which has received $45 billion from the government bailout, more than all but one other bank.

“The marriage between Bank of America and Merrill Lynch was a shotgun wedding pushed by the Federal Reserve,” said Darrell Issa (Calif.), the ranking Republican on the oversight committee.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2009-06-09 14:12:36

Combo, you’re doing well on your FEED. It looks like you know who you are!

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 14:34:48

Here’s just one more crock, being rammed through…

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) recently issued a proposed rule saying that greenhouse gases endanger the public health and welfare.

Under this endangerment finding, the EPA could rule that carbon dioxide and five other so-called greenhouse gases are a threat to public health. Specifically, EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson plans to use section 202(a) of the Clean Air Act to regulate these emissions. This, despite the fact that it’s questionable whether the EPA even has the authority to pursue such a drastic regulation.

Even recent EPA leaders disagree with this approach. According to Stephen Johnson, former EPA administrator, “…the Clean Air Act, an outdated law originally enacted to control regional pollutants that cause direct health effects, is ill-suited for the task of regulating global greenhouse gases.”

Make no mistake: This drastic regulation will cost jobs and raise the price of nearly all goods and services U.S. consumers purchase.

If the unelected bureaucrats at the EPA get their way, every sector of the U.S. economy could be blamed for a wide range of health problems. And, the new regulation will open a floodgate of unfair litigation aimed at small businesses, farmers, public utilities and nearly every other sector of our economy as opportunistic trial lawyers seek to pad their already deep pockets.

Moreover, the EPA is attempting to stifle public opinion by shortening the public comment period from 120 days - the typical comment period on EPA’s work - to 60 days. Such drastic regulation surely deserves the most time possible so that everyone affected may respond.

Comment by tresho
2009-06-09 16:03:08

Our esteemed Congresspersons can change this law any time they wish. Whatever else you do, be sure to re-elect yours.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-06-09 18:03:35

I dunno about that, but I’m majorly pissed about drilling for oil off the Gulf coast of Florida. As if the Gulf coast wasn’t a toilet already. And according to some poll on the local CBS affiliate, 59% of those polled here in Florida are for it. BS. Well, that’ll be the death blow for Florida’s Gulf coast. Who is gonna want to be in a hot, humid state with petro washing up on the shore? Gross.
And it’s not like we’re gonna get a piece of the action, like Alaska or Wyoming citizens do.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-06-09 14:51:44

June 9 (Bloomberg) — The Wall Street firms that trade directly with the Federal Reserve say speculators betting that interest rates may head higher this year are wrong.

Policy makers will keep the target for overnight loans between banks in a range of zero to 0.25 percent this year, according a survey of the 16 primary dealers of U.S. government securities that trade with the central bank. A majority predict no increase until at least the second half of 2010.

Yields on two-year Treasury notes surged 44.4 basis points June 5 and 8, the biggest two-day increase since Sept. 18 and 19, and Fed funds futures contracts showed a 58 percent probability yesterday of a rate increase by November on signs that the economy is bottoming. Implied yields on eurodollar futures, also used to speculate on changes in central bank policy, increased even as the U.S. government said on June 5 that the unemployment rate rose to 9.4 percent, the highest since 1984.

“The market seems wrong on this one,” said Eric Liverance, head of derivatives strategy in Stamford, Connecticut, at UBS AG, one of the dealers. UBS predicts that the Fed will remain on hold until June 2010. “High unemployment and a continued bad housing market will prevent the Fed from raising rates.”

‘Significant Headwinds’

Policy makers reduced the target rate to a record low in December after the collapse of the subprime mortgage market froze credit markets and pushed the global economy into the first recession since World War II. President Barack Obama and Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke have pledged, committed or spent $12.8 trillion to thaw credit and ramped up government spending to revive economic growth.

“The Fed is not likely to tighten this year or next because it still faces significant headwinds out of the financial and housing sectors,” said Lawrence Dyer, an interest-rate strategist in New York at HSBC Holdings Plc, one of the primary dealers. “Credit is still tight. The market is now better than it was before, but that is a healthy stability. It is not an economic recovery.”

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-06-09 14:53:23

There’s a “harvest moon” going on in “The O.C.” today!

BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)

‘Real Housewives’ Coto home in default:
June 9th, 2009, OC Register by Mark Eades

“Jeana Keough of the ‘Real Housewives of Orange County’ TV show confirms that creditors have filed notices of default on her Coto de Caza home.

According to ForeclosureRadar.com …

* Lender Washington Mutual — now Chase — last month filed a notice of default for a $1.3 million mortgage made in 2003. Unpaid was $37,538.
* The Coto homeowner’s association filed a similar motion in April, claiming its owed $3,732.

Jeana told The Register that she recently got some paperwork from lenders and “I’m trying to doing a loan modification.”

She admits that she controls four homes — the other three are rental properties — and all are in trouble. “I think all four of my houses have notices of defaults on them, as I’m trying to get loan modifications on them. To get a loan modification you have to stop making payments to qualify. I have renters in the other three now. I don’t know if I’m going to sell it, or what I’m going to do.”

Jeana, who when she isn’t acting is in real estate sales, added: “The realty business is so bad. You’ve got to come up with $10,000 a month. It’s a tough market, everybody’s struggling. My kids don’t really need this news right now.”

What’s the home worth?

* A Zillow Zestimate of the home’s value pegs it at $1.382 million.
* The county tax collector puts assessed value for the current tax year at $1,537,549 with a $17,286 tax levy for 2008-09.

Comment by salinasron
2009-06-09 16:52:18

I’ll drink to this story. Now let’s see the rest (cast of ladies) get foreclosed too. None of the women had any respect for money nor their children either.

 
Comment by Groundhogday
2009-06-09 21:15:49

“My kids don’t really need this news right now.”

Yeh, I’m sure this is all about your kids.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2009-06-09 15:01:48

This just in…

The enrollment at the high school my wife works at is down 22% YOY, and summer just started. It’ll be interesting to how bad it is when school starts in August.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 15:39:20

MarketWatch
Paul B. Farrell
Jun 8, 2009, 10:19 p.m. EST
10 reasons Terminators destroy ‘Twitter-brains’
Hypnotized, you’ll forget dot-coms, subprimes, the next Great Depression

Folks, this is too real to make up. Less than a year ago, Wall Street banks were insolvent, near bankruptcy. Then in a swift “disaster capitalism” maneuver by Henry Paulson, Wall Street’s Trojan Horse in Washington, they raided our Treasury and the Fed, while our clueless reps in Congress stood by.

Eight short months later, Wall Street’s back in “business as usual” with bigger salaries and bonuses, while taxpayers hold the bag for over $5 trillion in new debts, a record $546,668 per household reports USA Today.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-06-09 15:44:19

Hello, droogies! It’s 3:38 here PNW time and I’m at home now, because I’m taking the next few days off, since I’m tired and becoming disinterested in bossing and arranging the affairs of my fellow man*, which is a new and alarming development, and one that will never do to maintain. :)

But what I wanted to say is, I notice a light orangey tint to the leisurely afternoon light right now that to me indicates there is a fire somewhere downwind.
I HATE that—- unless, of course, I lit the fire, which I would not do, unless it was needed or at a party— but anyway it’s bugging me. It must be the genes, because right now I feel like dashing away through the woods.

*Tired of bossing the affairs of my stupid fellow mans. I don’t care what the rest of you do. I assume YOU can take care of yourselves.
…all 129 of you that exist.

*surly snort *

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-06-09 16:52:59

Oh, sorry, droogies. False alarm. I was hanging silently out the window and eagerly eyeing an innocent robin which was sitting there drinking in the rain-spout when I realized the problem here was that I missed lunch. That’s all! Whew!

…Man, how’d that happen?! I cannot imagine!
But it’s a good thing I realized the problem before I went ahead and ate a raw robin, or else a raw neighbor.
I dashed in and ate everything in the fridge, and now I feel fine, thanks. :)

*dabs at moist brow and feels relieved *

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-06-09 17:32:04

:) :)

 
Comment by mikey
2009-06-09 18:11:17

“But it’s a good thing I realized the problem before I went ahead and ate a raw robin, or else a raw neighbor.
I dashed in and ate everything in the fridge, and now I feel fine, thanks”

To be honest Oly, I was more worried about the robin or your innocent neighbors but it is nice to know you are well fed now and that they are both relatively safe…for the time being.

;)

 
 
Comment by bink
2009-06-09 18:58:22

But what I wanted to say is, I notice a light orangey tint to the leisurely afternoon light right now that to me indicates there is a fire somewhere downwind.

Are you sure that isn’t Mozilo coming for you?

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-06-09 15:56:41

“Investors should not be surprised to learn that the commitments, guarantees, and prodigal spending of the past two Administrations have come with harrowing consequences.”

The new administration has been in office five months. It’s first budget is due in October. It was advised by everyone — left, right, center — to enact a huge stimulus package to preserve the value of pieces of paper held by older Americans that say they have a growing right to everything produced by younger generations.

Everyone not on this blog, of course.

Republican? Democratic? No, it’s Generation Greed.

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-06-09 16:04:54

Weird, it seems like one of my comps is blocked.

Anyhoo — enrollment at my wife’s high school is down 22% or so YOY, and it’s not even August yet! I wonder what the new academic year will look like as the bust grinds on.

That has everyone freaking out, and Pinellas was with the declining enrollment curve all along.

 
Comment by ex-Wreck
2009-06-09 16:34:13

The “Tan Man” has a shot at boosting his defense:

The MSM and [now poorer] CEOs have been claiming that “no one could have foreseen this crisis”. If this is accepted as truth, Mozilo is cooked because how could he have seen it unless by insider information?

“Easy,” replies his lawyer. “Mr. Mozilo has been reading the Housing Bubble Blog [holds up sheafs of past postings by the HBB Luminaries] for some time now and all those studs figured this bubble thing out back in ‘06 so he just took their advice and started selling.”

“Mr. Defense Lawyer,” the judge says slowly, “you expect me to believe that a bunch of non-REICsters posting on some two-bit blog were able to figure out what the whiz kids at Lehman Brothers/Bear Stearns/Merrill Lynch/Fannie Mae did not??”

“It’s all right here, your honor.” [hands over HBB docs]

“Hmm,” says the judge after some perusal. “We’re taking a one hour recess! Bailiff: call my broker now!”

Comment by Watching the Carnage
2009-06-09 20:50:04

ex-Wreck,

Too funny - but somehow I think the “Orange One” will get off with barely a nick compared to the billions he and his cronies stole from the taxpayers.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-06-09 16:39:47

*surly snort *

Party people
Yeah Tag Team music comin’ straight atacha
That’s me DC the Brain Supreme
And my man Steve Roll’n
We’re kicking the flow we’re kickin’
And it goes a little somethin’ like this
Tag Team back again check it
Wreck it - let’s begin
Party on party people let me hear some noise
DC’s in the house jump jump and rejoice
There’s a party over here
a party over there
Wave your hands in the air
Shake the deriere
These three words mean you’re gettin’ busy

Whoomp there it is
whoomp there it is

Upside down and inside out
I’m about to show all you folks
What’s it’s all about
Now it’s time to get on the mic
And make this party hype
I’m talking it back to the old school
‘Cause I’m an old fool who’s so cool
If you want to get down
I’m gonna show you the way whoomp there it is
Let me hear you say
whoomp there it is

Whoomp chak a laka chack a laka chak a laka chak a
Point blank gin and juice I drank
Gettin’ bent and bent and as I puff on a dankt
Rock the mic
uh
oh I see rave skin
Rip skit find a honeydip to dip it in
Slam dunk it stick it flip it and ride
That is double O D D Y oh my
Ooh that it come on come on
Whoomp there it is I’m done

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 17:26:23

Tuesday, June 9, 2009

Taking Stock
Taking Stock: History lessons
Economist Anna Schwartz

Revered economist and monetary policy expert Dr. Anna Schwartz talks with Kai Ryssdal about how the Federal Reserve and government have performed while in the economic hot seat. And she isn’t too pleased.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 18:52:45

Like some posters here, Professor Schwartz has a hard time seeing the green shoots through the orange flames of the burning forest.

Ryssdal: When an economic historian comes along in 25 or 30 years and tries to do for this episode what you and Professor Friedman did for the Great Depression, what’s their verdict going to be on the monetary policy that the Fed has been following?

SCHWARTZ: Well, there has not been a straight line in the programs that the Fed has introduced over this period. So, I don’t know whether the verdict will be charitable. It’s always possible to find reasons why other alternatives were not really available. But I think on the whole the performance has been disappointing. Because now two years and more after Bernanke came into office we don’t see visible signs of change for the better.

 
 
Comment by drumminj
2009-06-09 18:07:15

So, I was going to post to complain about health insurance premiums going up….My COBRA premiums are going up 15% this year..and the deductibles are being raised.

BUT…

I got a letter today saying they dropped me for non-payment. It appears they didn’t get my May check, and they don’t tell you they never received it..they just kind of drop you. No mention of it when I called a week and a half ago to ask about the whole stimulus COBRA premium subsidy stuff…

So, I go 4 weeks without UI benefits because I actually did some work one week….(took 4 calls to finally get someone to fix that)…and now I’ve been dropped from health insurance. Woohoo!

Anyone want to point me to a good insurance provider/plan for a healthy, single, 30 year old male? I think I can re-elect COBRA through the stimulus bill, but I might be better off going it alone….

Sigh. Maybe I should just get a job…

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 18:49:00

“Maybe I should just get a job…”

Stay the course. Unemployment sux, but you will eventually get one if you keep looking.

Comment by drumminj
2009-06-09 19:49:10

Yeah, I’m still plugging away. I was making a joke, as if it were just that easy :)

Actually I’m on round three of some interviews here with a company that’s laid people off, but is hiring for certain positions. Funny thing is I have about 70hrs/week of contract work available to me right now, for the next two months or so. I kind of don’t want a full-time job right now as a result. Need to take the opportunities as they present themselves in this market, I suppose…

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 22:31:30

If there is a silver lining to looking for a job in a bad economy, it is that you have a lot of company. This tends to eliminate the stigma a laid off worker faces when seeking work in a good economy, when people assume that if you are unemployed, it is because there is something wrong with you.

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Comment by Anthony
2009-06-09 19:32:44

I just got my auto insurance renewal for AAA…up a whopping 39% from last year. No tickets. No accidents. Cars getting older, as are myself and my wife.

Deflation is dead. Everything I buy is going up in price…and going up rapidly.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-06-09 21:38:21

…you learned a valuable lesson grasshopper

Nobody gives a crap about you if you are an old fogey stick in the mud who uses the US mail to pay a bill.

Always do it with a credit card over the phone….or online with a cc/ checking account and have a receipt emailed to you…

I haven’t wrote a check in years.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 19:16:41

My apologies if this is a reprint here, but this is the most cogent and concise explanation I have seen for “what went wrong;” it seems worth repeating even if it is a repost. The only thing I have to add is that one of the key reasons it could happen like this is that the checks and balances of US constitutional governance don’t quite reach quasi-government entities like Fannie and Freddie or the Fed. They acted as though they had a license to play G_d in the mortgage market, but they were not up to the task.

Above all, I share the writer’s view that a clear and transparent understanding of the problem is necessary to avoid repeating the pitfalls of the bubble. Since the Fed has not openly recognized the housing bubble’s root causes (particularly the moral hazard problem caused by providing free too-big-to-fail insurance for Wall Street banks), I am not optimistic that glasnost or better policy is on the way.

* The Wall Street Journal
* OPINION
* MAY 23, 2009

Moral Hazard and the Meltdown
Everybody felt too big to fail.

By SCOTT E. HARRINGTON

An appropriate government response to the bursting of the housing bubble requires a full understanding of what went wrong and why. Many commercial banks, investment banks, savings and loans, mortgage originators, subprime borrowers, and insurance giant AIG obviously placed heavy bets on continued housing-price appreciation. They gambled; the losses have been huge and widespread.

Why did so many players place these large, risky bets? A simple yet significant part of the answer is that the potential gains and losses were asymmetric. If housing prices continued to climb, or at least not fall, the participants could achieve large profits. If housing prices failed to appreciate, or even fell, the losses would be largely borne by others, including taxpayers. “Heads” and the bettors would win — “tails” and others would lose.

On the supply side, de facto — and now de jure — government guarantees of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac debt lowered their financing costs and thus amplified mortgage-credit expansion and housing-price appreciation. Bank deposit insurance and implicit guarantees of bank obligations encouraged risky mortgage lending and investment, especially given strong pressure from Congress for more subprime lending. The shift to corporate ownership of investment banks, with limited liability, encouraged them to take greater risk in relation to capital, especially given expanded competition with investment-bank affiliates of bank holding companies that followed the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in 1999.

Moreover, the Security and Exchange Commission’s adoption in 2004 of “consolidated supervision” of the largest investment banks allowed them to increase leverage substantially, in significant part by taking on more subprime-mortgage exposure.

Meanwhile, AIG facilitated investment in mortgage securitization by domestic and foreign banks and investment banks by selling cheap protection against default risk. Subprime mortgage originators were often new entrants that had little reputational capital at risk, and didn’t have to hold the mortgages.

On the demand side, many subprime borrowers acquired properties with little or no money down. They faced relatively little loss if housing prices fell and they defaulted. Many people took cheap mortgages on investment property to speculate on housing-price increases. Others took cheap second mortgages to fund current consumption.

The Federal Reserve played a key role in making these bets attractive to borrowers, lenders and investors. It kept interest rates at historically low levels until it was too late to prevent the eventual implosion. This deliberate policy and public statements by then Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan fueled demand for credit and housing and encouraged lenders to relax mortgage-lending criteria.

Given what we know about the bubble’s causes, the main objectives of legislative and regulatory responses should be to encourage market discipline as a means to promote prudence, safety and soundness in banking and securities. We should avoid extending explicit or implicit “too big to fail” policies beyond banking.

Unfortunately, the most conspicuous proposals on Capitol Hill — the creation of a “systemic risk” regulator and expanded federal authority over financially distressed insurers and other nonbank institutions — could easily undermine both objectives by protecting even more institutions, investors and consumers from the downside of their actions.

Mr. Harrington is a professor of health-care management and insurance and risk management at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 19:22:54

“…one way to minimize the too-big-to-fail assumption is by showing that at least one big institution can fail.”

How about two: Lehman Brothers and Bear Stearns? Shouldn’t that have been enough to minimize the assumption?

* The Wall Street Journal
* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* JUNE 10, 2009

Making Failure an Option
As some banks leave the TARP, what to do about Citigroup?

The Hotel Geithner — a.k.a. the Troubled Asset Relief Program or TARP — is poised to set up its checkout desk this week. Big banks that have successfully raised capital from private sources, including J.P. Morgan and Goldman Sachs, may be among the first to get their walking papers.

But amid the debate over whether it’s too soon or too late to let the country’s biggest banks repay their TARP money, the question the Obama Administration should be asking is how to prevent return trips to the bailout trough for banks that were deemed too big to fail only eight short months ago.

Those banks that have been able to access the capital markets without government guarantees deserve the chance to get out from under the TARP. But only if they can really walk away from all the government guarantees that they have benefited from since last fall (deposit insurance excepted). That includes the FDIC’s debt-guarantee program for commercial paper, but it should also mean the implicit guarantee that comes with being a member of the too-big-to-fail club.

Unless we can put the kibosh on that unofficial designation for the biggest banks, their obligations ultimately remain potential taxpayer liabilities (see: Fannie Mae, nationalization of). Let them check out for sure, but make sure that they don’t come back, or we’ll be left with a financial system full of government-sponsored banks with an implicit guarantee should they run into trouble.

The question is how to do that. It’s not enough to say the banks that pay back the TARP are on their own — “and this time, we really, really mean it.” The markets won’t believe it, and over time these banks will have a lower cost of funds because lenders will assume, a la Fannie, that they will be rescued. One possible answer is a new mechanism for regulators to resolve — that is, seize, then sell or recapitalize — the biggest banks. But while we’re waiting, one way to minimize the too-big-to-fail assumption is by showing that at least one big institution can fail. Last fall, at the height of the panic, regulators deemed this too dangerous. But this need not be an eternal truth.

It happens that we have a test-case at hand in Citigroup. Regulators remain at odds over how much trouble Citi is in. But this spring’s stress tests revealed Citi to have a $63 billion hole in its balance sheet, which the feds papered over by giving the bank credit for converting its government-owned preferred into common shares, a move that will put no new money into the bank. Citi has also been slow to raise private capital since the stress-test results were revealed, even as the capital markets have opened up to its competitors. More broadly, Citi has proven itself unmanageable by having already failed three times since the 1980s, requiring government bailouts in one form or another during the sovereign debt crisis in the ’80s, the 1990s real-estate bust and again, twice, during the panic of 2008. Its turnaround plan has also been less than impressively executed.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-06-09 19:34:38

Driving home today, I noticed Pardee homes is flying the “make-you-want-to-buy” banners over newly opened areas of Carmel Valley. Large billboards advertise new two-story, 5br+ homes “from $1 million.” I am wondering how those are going to sell, given the extant glut of $1m+ San Diego foreclosure homes I reported here last weekend.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2009-06-10 13:32:33

California could fix its budget deficit by making people who own million dollar homes pay representative property taxes. $17k is only like 1%. That’s insanely low.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-06-10 17:03:41

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Comment by drumminj
2009-06-11 08:26:55

Hahhah…..someone’s enjoying the extension :)

 
 
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