Bits Bucket For June 11, 2009
Post off-topic ideas, links and Craigslist finds here. Please visit the HBB Forum. And see the American Visionaries series from Schwarzfilm.
Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
Post off-topic ideas, links and Craigslist finds here. Please visit the HBB Forum. And see the American Visionaries series from Schwarzfilm.
Aw c’mon folks. I can’t be the only one awake.
Would my Ford be vandalized if I manufactured (and wore) this bumper sticker?
Smash UAW Thieves
Boycott GM & Chrysler
Would my Ford be vandalized if I manufactured (and wore) this bumper sticker?
I’m thinking if you “wore” the bumper sticker, it might be hard for the vandalizers to figure out which car out in the parking lot was yours?
Where exactly on your person does one wear a bumper sticker?
LOL
Typical!
Isn’t it obvious? One wears it on his bumbper.
How about:
Smash poor leadership
Boycott US income taxes
How about:
Tired of working hard?
Join a Labor Union
Much better.
For some reason we forget the origination of bad business.
Starts with bad management. Sort of like following your parents lead.
‘do as I say, not as I do’ and well, if ‘we’ don’t do it at first, eventually we will behave just as our parents showed us. Same with mgmnt.
Bad mgmnt/ bad business.
“Smash UAW Thieves”
I have no brief for unions, but I don’t see how you can blame the UAW when you’ve got 26 layers of management hogging about 90% of the resources and power within the corporation. Break up these monstrosities into itty bitty pieces, I say.
“Break up these monstrosities into itty bitty pieces, I say.”
Which would have happened all by itself it the government had just left things alone.
Internally, top to bottom, GM is the antithesis of the culture that is needed to design and build the quality cars of the future. Whatever government oversight ends up accomplishing, you can guarantee that it will render GM’s culture even that much more cynical and uninspired than it already is, by at least 2-3x. Boycott for the good of everyone involved. Let’s get beyond this mess.
The new government stooge in charge of GM said, ” I don’t know anything about manufacturing cars, but I do know how to run a big business”
This is the same fellow (AT&T) that threw the public under the bus when he went against his own counsel and turned over all phone records to the Bush administration.
wmbz,
You know, this reminds me of “Tucker, a man and his dream” so vividly. Jeff Bridges portrayed a man that never turned out more than 50 cars but for all his innovation was crushed by an auto lobby that wasn’t about to tolerate -any- true competition.
50 years later, that man’s words ring true as ever. Sad.
Right DinOR, and America can be a great nation even without brands like Chrysler and GM around.
So many minds are focused on a 1950-2000 ideal. That’s no way to deal with the future. It’s gone folks, let it go.
Now who are the ones that need to “move on”?
Whitacre received over $1 billion dollars in his 10 years as CEO ($158 million alone on retirement a couple of years ago).
Not only does he not know anything about cars, he doesn’t use computers or email.
All in all, I think he is a perfect fit for GM.
So many minds are focused on a 1950-2000 ideal. That’s no way to deal with the future. It’s gone folks, let it go.
An excellent point, and one not often framed in that fashion.
In fact, that era of prosperity is typically viewed in the opposite way — instead of regarding America’s post-war lifestyle and dominance as a historical aberration, it’s regarded as the norm. Not realistic. Not helpful. Not sustainable. Not sane.
That mindset has prevented a whole lot of forward-thinking policy, on the individual, corporate, and national levels alike.
edgewaterjohn,
Oh absolutely! It was interesting to note ( and it’s been -years- since I’ve seen the movie ) but I believe of the 50 cars he built, 48 are still in perfect working order!
In the end, I think it wasn’t so much that Tucker didn’t ‘understand’ the game, he just refused to play it?
“So many minds are focused on a 1950-2000 ideal. That’s no way to deal with the future. It’s gone folks, let it go.”
The politicians were too corrupt, weak, and scared to make the difficult decision to allow the implosion of the greedy, evil big banks, and the auto manufacturers. Charged with serving and protecting the people of this country, they instead sold out to the special interests. They had an opportunity to really redefine, and improve this country. They completely failed, and chose to try to prop up a failed model. Now, we’re just flailing around. Had we left the banking industry alone to reap what they has sewn, the smaller, healthier banks would have greatly benefited from their sound models, and blossomed. Instead, they got kicked to the curb, and we’ve got $75 per barrel oil putting a lid on any economic recovery thanks to the resurrection of Goldman Sucks and all of the “too big to fail’s”. Disappointing to say the least.
You put that better than I ever could have, ET!
At least as individuals we have the option to entertain new strategies, and entertain them we must.
For the young this is especially critical. The constructs of the past (gov’t entitlements, unions, even conventional education) are bound to let them down.
I really don’t understand this public fascination with Preston Tucker. Must be the movie. Remember, it was “BASED” on a true story……which means that they can modify/make stuff up/delete things to make the story better.
Yeah, he did a few marginally “innovative” things, but if a large majority of the public thinks your car looks weird, nobody is going to buy it. The Chrysler Airflow was 10 years ahead of it’s time, but failed because the public didn’t like it’s looks, and didn’t buy it.
“Which would have happened all by itself it the government had just left things alone.”
+1. It would have been chaotic, but the market would have gotten the job done.
A better govt response would have been to provide seed capital for small car companies / startups to buy the behemoth’s assets out of bankruptcy, and start with a different culture.
Or do nothing, my preferred approach.
Didja know that the ppl in the last administration went to China to work for the Tire companies and the gov there to show them the loop holes in dumping tires into our country, thereby getting rid of another mftg industry in our country.
That wasn’t union. That was anti US.
again.
There should absolutely be a 5 yr span whereby the people from one administration should not be allowed to enter into business with competition of the US best interests carrying insider knowledge.
What I’m actually blaming the unions for at this point is, stealing these companies from the bondholders, who are their rightful owners. Not saying there’s much worth owning…
It’s the same beef that several others here have expressed: the law pertaining the order of claims should’ve been upheld.
Its the retirees that are getting the ownership slice, not the current workers.
I would never want any bumper sticker on any car I drive, no matter what it says. Nor would I ever want a personalized license plate. Both attract attention. Better to have a common car so as not to be identified easily. Stalkers and cops are less likely to identify you if all you have is a typical license plate and no bumper sticker on a typical boring car.
My parents stopped having bumper stickers way way back. They had a Goldwater for president sticker on their car in 1964 on the station wagon and were nearly forced off the road once. My dad figured it must have been the bumper sticker.
Stalkers and cops are less likely to identify you if all you have is a typical license plate and no bumper sticker on a typical boring car.
My thoughts exactly. Whenever I piss people off in traffic by exercising patience and common sense, I don’t want to make it easier for them to identify my car later.
lavi d,
I’ll take it a step further ( I even dress that way )
Something about having a military background. We were told to “change up your routine” so as not to make yourself such an easy target. Old habits..?
I’ve noticed obeying the rules of the road can really piss people off who aren’t aware of them.
I hate people that insist on driving the speed limit in the left hand lane.
can’t tell if Skip is serious or not but if he is, then amen!
I LOVE driving in Britain/Europe where the left lane is reserved for those overtaking the other cars. If you don’t move over, watch out! But its good for safety too because you aren’t forced to pass on the right which creates all sorts of problems.
left lane is reserved for those overtaking the other cars.
As long as you make a distinction between highway and city streets, I’m with ya.
There’s no point in “overtaking the other cars” when you’re all going to stop at a signal anyway.
Yes, the left lane on the freeway is for overtaking cars, not driving. In Washington, they are now ticketing people for holding up traffic in that lane.
“There’s no point in “overtaking the other cars” when you’re all going to stop at a signal anyway.”
There are lots of folks that seem to have to be either accelerating or braking (coasting not allowed) even when the not too distant stop light just turned red.
How about the parents that put stencils on the back window with the names of all their kids.
In other words, follow me home, I have 3 teenage daughters.
When a cliche goes meme, I like to get two bumper stickers and cut and paste the lettering into my own variations. One of my all time faves went onto the back of a black Volvo turbo sedan…total soccer mom vehicle. With a few choice snips, a black and red “DARE” bumper sticker went from saying,
“Drug use is life abuse in Orange County” to “Drug use is necessary in Orange County.”
Same lettering, same graphic, so only the truly perverse, (and one perplexed cop,) ever got it. I now have one of those once-ubiquitous little American flags on my POS truck that was reworked from “Proud to be an American” to “Damned proud to be a corporate dupe.”
Although that one was truly taking my life into my own hands while driving around Kern Kounty, such a small portion of the population here is literate that they just saw the flag, figured I wasn’t one a them gaddam libberuls, and let me pass though.
Just my own small protests against tyranny.
…taking my life into my own hands while driving around Kern Kounty
You’re such a subversive!
(My dad lives in Kerntucky)
(My dad lives in Kerntucky)
Lavi, so does my AF ret Col.dad.
pro military, JohnBircher,
“christian”,bigot, racist,
from s.Indiana where KKK was huge,
not funny at all, stubborn,cruel, and well,
not my first pick, but karma is a bit ch.
“Damned proud to be a corporate dupe.”
I’d buy one of those…
“(My dad lives in Kerntucky)”
I think ahansen is in Kern County, CA.
Nevermind, I just got your joke, lavi. I suppose Californians refer to Kern County as “Kerntucky”.
Lavi, so does my AF ret Col.dad.
My dad’s a sweet, forgetful, charming old cuss.
WWII B25 Maint. Chief Sgt. in North Africa
I suppose Californians refer to Kern County as “Kerntucky”.
I don’t know about Californians, but I routinely refer to the communities around where my dad lives as “Bug Tussle”, “Mount Pilot”, “Mayberry” and “Hooterville”.
My dad lives in Hooterville.
(And it’s not the good kind of Hooters, either)
zat’s Hootersville, dahling!
Such scintillating minds. Scintillating ! I knew I enjoyed this blog. Knew it !.
I don’t use bumper stickers, simply an aesthetic preference. And this applies to any car I’ve driven, even if it is fast approaching auto graveyard status. I just think they’re cheesy.
Since we’re on the car topic, I’m adding a link here which was prompted by the excellent article that was posted yesterday re: kids dying in cars.
Children die accidentally in more ways than being left in back seat on a hot day. After reading this article I believe I will get an aftermarket camera for my new vehicle. Avoid backovers
For a long time I wondered why reverse sensors on larger vehicles were not mandatory. There seems to be extra concern over emission standards at the expense of other critical safety features. Kids are dying left and right, tragically at the (unintentional) hands of their own family members.
It would be more effective to ban all cars since the number of children injured and killed in car accidents is much higher than those killed in backovers.
Interestingly enough, we were coming home after grocery shopping one evening with my 1 and 3 year olds in the back seat eating plums from our purchase.
They were quite content and my wife and I chatted as we drove home along the highway never turning to talk or look at the kids. Until my 1 year old started crying. We found out that he ate the “nut” and choked silently on it but miracously forced it down. I can just imagine had he not and we got home to find out the worst. A ban on eating in the car is still in effect.
(My dad lives in Kerntucky)
Lavi, so does my AF ret Col.dad.
pro military, JohnBircher,
“christian”,bigot, racist,
from s.Indiana where KKK was huge,
not funny at all, stubborn,cruel, and well,
not my first pick, but karma is a bit ch.
Testing? again?
jckirlan,
It’s so easy to have something like that happen with kids. Tons of dangers out there that can drive one to obsessing about it sometimes.
To me, bumper stickers are just rude.
Basically, you are shouting your preferences/opinions into some stranger’s face, without the obligation of defending your assertions. Like this blog would be without a “Add Comment” button.
The ones I hate are those stencils with stick figure family members. I’d like to see someone with a disfunctional family stencil - husband drinking beer, wife eying the milkman, Junior and sissy punching each other, and older kid shooting up drugs…
…husband drinking beer, wife eying the milkman, Junior and sissy punching each other…
Ha!
When I moved here, I had two dogs, a cat and a wife. Within two years I had put all three animals down (old dogs, probably Chinese pet-food cat) and separated from my wife.
I have toyed with the idea of making my own rear-window, family stickers with the cat’s and dogs’ eyes crossed out, but I can’t figure out a good graphic for the ex. She’s not a bad person - we were just a horrible couple.
Wanna really go out on the bleeding edge? Put on a bumper sticker that criticizes some aspect of Islam.
The absolute depth of depravity is expressed in some insane way with those chinese magnetic ribbons that says “Support our troops”…. Jumping Jesus, Mary and Joseph if they don’t scream ignorant stupidity nothing does.
Exeter, you hit the nail on the head for me.
Chinese made American flags on the car window or antenna. Flying from an SUV gas guzzler running on Middle East oil. On it’s way to WalMart for cheap goods made by exploited labor.
At least my Nissan Frontier gets 22 mpg, is a low emissions 4 cyl, and is assembled by American workers in Tennessee.
Guess they are more patriotic. Fools!
An actual home-made bumper sticker I saw about 12 years ago here in Michigan attached to an old beater driven by the requisite Middle-east person read:
“The pens of the sages are dipped in the blood of the martyrs” and it had crossed curved swords and a crescent moon on it also.
I wonder if that guy ever got deported ? It shows the state of mind that fuelled 9-11. But of course, in 1997 or so, I would never have dreamed such a thing would happen. If I saw the sticker today, I would call the F.B.I. or state police.
az-lender is feisty these last couple of days!
From the Charlotte Observer:
Crescent files for Chapter 11 relief
The real estate meltdown brought about a stark reversal for Duke Energy’s once shining developer of high-end properties.
Crescent, known for luxury waterfront communities such as The Sanctuary on Lake Wylie, said the filing will allow it to reduce debt as it restructures its capital. A group of its existing lenders agreed to loan $110 million to help Crescent continue to operate as it reorganizes.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/business/story/707191.html
All of the pretentious phonies on Lake Wylie and Lake Norman can rot in he!!, for all I care.
Was that too harsh?
We live on another of Crescent’s lake communities. Yes, there are a few pretentious phonies here, as you’d find anywhere, but a lot of wonderful, down-to-earth people as well.
Broad brushes usually aren’t the best tool.
Congratulations Bill. I’ll make sure not to offend you by broad-brushing real estate agents, central bankers and “victim homeowners”.
Charlotte is the center of wannabes. I used to play, “count the a–holes in their BMWs”. The relocated Yankees were the worst. And they loved to move out to Wylie and Norman. You must know a different Charlotte, NC than I do.
Bill,
weren’t you the judgemental A$$ casting your ignorant opinion on the flea market patrons in upstate SC based on how they looked? Yes you were… last fall it was, Pissed me off it did comimg from a master of cerebral defecation like yourself. I can only hope you are as well received by your neighbors.
Maybe you were excluding yourself from that list of “wonderful down to earth people” around Lake whocareswhereyoulive.
BTW, those funny looking people you loathe in upstate SC and like to ridicule are really down to earth and some of the most honest and fair people I have ever worked with. I I have worked from NYU to DUKE to South Florida and many place in between over the last 30 years.
Go look up the word PROJECTION you putz.
Flame off.
“Was that too harsh”?
Nope!
No it was not too harsh.
Not at all.
Nope!
I lived in Charlotte for 10 years, and I ran into plenty of snot-nosed individuals living on the banks of Lake Norman. I also ran into plenty of people who were down home. Pretty much like Bill says.
Around Norman, lawyers and former execs of Xerox and Kodak are commonplace. For some reason, lots of people from Rochester and Syracuse flock down there. The place reminds me of wealthy Florida communities. Same architecture.
Wylie is more hometown/redneck rich than Lake Norman. Big houses, but fewer McMansions. A surprising number of the older houses seem slap-dash, ramshackle. Wylie is probably more religious than Norman - Jim & Tammy’s amusement park was about 3-4 miles from Wylie.
What say you, bill in Carolina? Your thoughts/opinions? I moved from Charlotte five years ago - I couldn’t deal with the climate any longer. Too hot and humid for too many months; made me physically ill.
I’m nowhere near Charlotte, but in a Crescent- developed community in the upstate of South Carolina. As for counting self-important azzholes, I think the proportion you’ll find within 25 miles of D.C. (where my wife and I spent most of our lives) dwarfs the count ANYWHERE else in the country.
Weather-wise, I love the long, hot summers here. I have a two-hour tennis session (doubles) scheduled at 2 PM, with temps in the high 80s. Golf tomorrow, starting around 1:00, and temps will be the same or a bit higher. Saturday and Sunday it’s wash, rinse, repeat. For me, this past winter/early spring was way too long and way too cold. For the first time since we’ve been here, the daytime temp didn’t get out of the 30’s once or twice this past winter. Brrrr!
But that’s me. We have friends in New Hampshire who could never face the hot summers here.
Preach it, Bill!
Years ago, when I was bicycling around the United States, I had the misfortune of pedaling within 25 miles of DC. Well, actually, I should say that I noticed a change in human behavior about 100 miles away from Our Nation’s Capital.
I saw people driving like bats outta hell, acting rudely in stores and other public places, and other unpleasantness. It made me long for the hospitality of the Deep South or the courtesy of the Midwest.
However, once I got onto Maryland’s Eastern Shore, the human kindness returned. I loved the Eastern Shore.
In many ways, the Chesapeake Bay Bridge is much longer than its seven miles.
A former Maryland governor and former mayor of Ballimer once called the Eastern Shore the “$hithouse side of the bay.” Wrong!
Bill @ Keowee Key,
We should have our own HBB get together at Paesano’s some night.
How do you really feel?
OT.. but found out about this RE Mortgage organization while reading this am.
Welcome to the Brave New World where EVERTHING about you, your Mortgage and your house gets an ID number and is located in ONE central location…where a whole LOT of Gov’t/FIRE people have paid access to it.
MERS = Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems.
It’s a method that registers, tracks and even puts their name as nominal mortgagee on your loan as a tracking lien for servicers.
“About MERS
MERS was created by the mortgage banking industry to streamline the mortgage process by using electronic commerce to eliminate paper. Our mission is to register every mortgage loan in the United States on the MERS® System.
Beneficiaries of MERS include mortgage originators, servicers, warehouse lenders, wholesale lenders, retail lenders, document custodians, settlement agents, title companies, insurers, investors, county recorders and consumers.
MERS acts as nominee in the county land records for the lender and servicer. Any loan registered on the MERS® System is inoculated against future assignments because MERS remains the nominal mortgagee no matter how many times servicing is traded. MERS as original mortgagee (MOM) is approved by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Ginnie Mae, FHA and VA, California and Utah Housing Finance Agencies, as well as all of the major Wall Street rating agencies”
This is some scary stuff to me as I read through the discriptions and info on the site. Also investors want to use it to intercept REO’s directly from banks and lenders before forclosures hit the markets.
http://www.mersinc.org/index.aspx
Isn’t Technology…wonderful !?!
I think you’d be at risk of being vandalized too.
I think people more or less fall into 3 categories:
1) They will buy from union manufacturers because they believe in unions.
2) They will boycott GM & Chrysler because of govt and/or union ownership.
3) They will buy the vehicle that best suits their needs (size, price, quality, features, etc.)
I doubt any bumper stickers will influence many people to switch camps, so the risk/reward says don’t put one of those on your vehicle.
Category 4 would be:
People who don’t buy any vehicle, as they don’t have the funds or credit to do it, or don’t have any job to drive to in the first place.
Or Category 5 - Prefers not to engage in the debt and expense slavery that is car ownership.
I understand the advantage of renting but I don’t get the advantage of renting a car in a place where you need one (leave out cities that have good mass trans).
You forgot: 4) Dumb as a box of rocks.
I fall into # 3. Drove 3 Fords in a row. Still love Ford, but current car is a Pontiac Vibe because it’s exactly what I wanted in a car for the right price (bought a 1 year old used model two years ago).
I think you’d be at risk of being vandalized too.
My candidates for “Most Likely to be Vandalized” bumper stickers:
“Jesus Mows my Lawn”
“Welcome to America. Now Learn English”
“Racism is Stupid”
“Iran. A Country Run by God’s Laws”
“Put the X Back in Xmas”
“Don’t Blame Me. I Rent”
“I’m Godless and Gay and I’m Gonna Take Away Your Gun”
Hello Jasper!
Hello Jasper!
Har!
I’d be vandalized if I had what describes me: “I’m a radical pro choice Godless Capitalist Hedonist, and your 21 year old daughter was at my house last night…”
eew.
I’m a big fan of a bumper sticker I once saw on a car at Lowe’s:
‘My Other Ride Is Your Daughter’
Got a kick out of that one…
Welcome to America. Now Learn English my vote for number 1
But not so likely to be vandalized, as the reader must understand English and hence may experience some pride.
My all time favorite is:
Nuke the Gay Whales
“Save the Whales! Let us kill and eat the Japanese”
Done that -my wife is Japanese =”)
Love it!!!
Thats actually “Nuke the Commie Gay Whales”
My personal favorite is “I support the right to arm bears”
Second runner up is “imagine whirled peas”
I was a BIG fan of Emilly Litella growing up
Oh and I have a Chyrch of the FSM (Flying Spaghetti Monster) emblem on my bumper. That should pretty much tell everyone where MY head is at
Or Buy American *
but they are driving a foreign made vehicle and shop at Walmart and vote prop corp.
My personal favorite is “I support the right to arm bears”
I like that too
My favorite:
“Ted Kennedy’s car has killed more people than my Assault Rifle”
My all time favorite is:
Mine is:
“Lord, help me be the person my dog thinks I am”
Dog is my copilot
“Illiterate? Write for free help”
I like
“Don’t like my driving ? Call 1-800-E-A-T-S-H-I-T”
That’s pretty much where my head is at . Fortunately, or unfortunately, I guess.
Nuke the Gay Whales for Jesus
seen in arizona years ago:
Earth First - Then We’ll Mine the Other Planets!
A guy on a motorcycle passed me with the following message on the back of his T -Shirt
If You Can Read This Then The Bitch Must Have Fallen Off
Cute, cute.
I hear cars with darwin fish are often vandalized around here. Friends are afraid to put them on their cars.
My stickers are cut down, and placed on the back windshield. One dive flag, and one that says “Engineer” in reverse.
lavi! I just choked on my baby carrots.
My favorite:
JESUS
thinks you’re an a$$hole
Groups 2 and 3 are way bigger than group 1.
There’s a lot of bashing of Asian cars (and Asians too) on the net this week, and it’s sad.
I really pity those that romantize postwar America. Their anger is that of a cornered rat. Besides, have those haters bothered to look where their TVs, clothes, and kids’ toys are made?
The time for action was decades ago. The future is now, what are they going to do about it?
I’ve seen the future, and I think it’s going to suck, for about a hundred different reasons.
Fortunately for everyone, I’ll probably be taken out by a heart attack, stroke, or Alzheimer’s within the next 20 years, so it’s all good.
Just my personal opinion.
I’m with X-GSfixer.
“those haters ”
Who are you talking about?
Someone who would like to return to post WWII america when america made things and was strong is now a hater? Wow, we are in deep trouble. I guess the progressive rot being taught in our schools all these years has paid off.
+1, cashed.
I’ll be the first to criticize many of our faults in the U.S., but have no desire to join the third-world nations with their poverty, hunger and despair.
Not sure why so many are cheering the demise of unions, U.S. workers, and the middle-class. What else do we have left?
Count me among those who want to rebuild this country and make it a great nation where we **produce** things, people are paid fairly for their labor, and where there is far less disparity in wealth (because those in power control all the money flows).
U.S. Foreclosure Filings Top 300,000 as Bank Seizures Loom…
June 11 (Bloomberg) — U.S. foreclosure filings surpassed 300,000 for the third straight month in May and may hit a record 1.8 million by the first half of the year, RealtyTrac Inc. said.
A total of 321,480 properties received a default or auction notice or were repossessed last month, up 18 percent from a year earlier, the Irvine, California-based seller of default data said today in a statement. One in 398 U.S. households received a filing last month.
“The foreclosure bucket is filling faster than it’s emptying,” Jay Brinkmann, chief economist of the Washington- based Mortgage Bankers Association, said in an interview. “It will continue through next quarter at least.”
Job losses and falling property prices are delaying the housing recovery as more homeowners are unable to pay the mortgage or have difficulty selling or refinancing. The unemployment rate climbed to 9.4 percent in May, the highest since 1983, the Labor Department said last week. Prices in 20 U.S. cities dropped 18.7 percent in March, according to the S&P/Case-Shiller home-price index.
More home loans originated in 2005 or before are likely to default as unemployment climbs, said Rick Sharga, executive vice president for marketing at RealtyTrac.
A record 1.37 percent of all loans entered the foreclosure process in the first quarter, with 29 percent tied to borrowers with prime, fixed-rate mortgages, the MBA reported May 28. Homes in foreclosure totaled 3.85 percent of all loans in the quarter, up from 2.47 percent a year earlier, MBA said.
“The foreclosure bucket is filling faster than it’s emptying,”
Whew! We’re just lucky it isn’t fecal matter. Although, in a figurative sense, it is.
If you flush the toilet and it fills up the bowl, do not flush it again.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2….
About 1 million option ARMs are estimated to reset higher in the next four years, according to real estate data firm First American CoreLogic of Santa Ana, California. About three quarters of those loans will adjust next year and in 2011, with the peak coming in August 2011 when about 54,000 loans recast, the data show.
“The option ARM recasts will drive up the foreclosure supply, undermining the recovery in the housing market,” Wachter said in an interview. “The option ARMs will be part of the reason that the path to recovery will be long and slow.”
“We’re already seeing much higher levels of delinquencies of these option ARM loans even before you reach the point of the recast,” said Paul Leonard, the California director of the non- profit Center for Responsible Lending.
even before you reach the point of the recast
FB’s walking?
“FB’s walking?”
Debt-man Walking.
In Reno, NV, prices are already down 55% (the median is now $165k after a peak of $356k), yet foreclosures continue at a record pace, and inventory is exploding. Houses cash flow as rentals, and the speculators are buying in droves. But, I don’t think that a market can be carried long term by these people. Prices are now back to the 1990’s, with properties in bad areas selling at 1970’s prices, NOMINALLY. Consider that.
Job losses and falling property prices are delaying the housing recovery…
I thought the housing “recovery” was in lowering prices so that people could afford to buy.
I know, I know. I’m preaching to the quoir…
The forclosure numbers keep climbing, yet look at the financial news on Yahoo today and you see headlines like “Forclosures fall 6% in May from April”. Move along sheeple, move along…
Inventory is way down in the many zip codes I track here in Wash, DC and suburbs.
Inventory is constipated with foreclosures hereabouts.
Exlax anyone?
Really? is the inventory really down ?
IF that is true, I am verging on depressed as in ” be priced out forever”…someone talk me down.
Is there hope?
Saw a great box yesterday, 77yr old mom of contractor-ex owner of box,had taken over the house and was selling it. Lowered it from 519 to 475 furnished. Now if it were under 200k …
How much longer?
I’m seeing high-end houses sitting vacant here in Sacramento. Lock boxes in place but not listed. What are they waiting for?
“The foreclosure bucket is filling faster than it’s emptying. …It will continue through next quarter at least.”
Lower bound: next quarter of a decade
Upper bound: next quarter of a century
“U.S. foreclosure filings surpassed 300,000 for the third straight month in May and may hit a record 1.8 million by the first half of the year, RealtyTrac Inc. said.”
I fondly remember the earlier, rosier estimates for foreclosures….2 million in TOTAL. Now we’re looking at 1.8 million by June? And we still have Alt A and Option ARMS ahead of us?
Wrong house demolished.
“Byrd said he cannot believe his eyes. The house his father built, brick by brick, with his own hands has been mysteriously demolished.
“You can’t imagine. It’s just incredulous that something like this can happen and no one contact the owner,” said Byrd.
Byrd grew up in the home with his nine brothers and sisters. It’s a three bedroom house on a little road bearing his family’s name.”
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/19715994/detail.html
A three bedroom house - for 12 people. That’s five kids in each of two bedrooms and mom and dad in the third. Probably more like 3-4 kids in each bedroom at any given time, considering the age differences of the kids.
Perhaps the house was demolished because it has a sorry and embarrassing history of not behaving 1 bedroom for each little prince or princess.
I wish the man and his kin a better future. This story really stinks.
I suspect this won’t be the last time as banks rush to eliminate liabilities.
Eudemon
Poor families out of nesccesity, use dining rooms and living areas for bedrooms too.
I hope that idiot company rebuilds his house, and to the same quality not like these crap made houses built these days. Plus he should sue the @#$%^ out of them.
Y’all sure did run up the score in the BB yesterday.
I had fun adding comments #552-#554 just before today’s BB.
Bondholders Face Commercial Mortgage Losses as Principal Is Due…
By Sarah Mulholland
June 11 (Bloomberg) — Investors in bonds that packaged $62 billion of debt for U.S. offices, hotels and shopping malls are bracing for more loan defaults through 2010 as Bank of America Merrill Lynch says landlords’ monthly payments may jump 20 percent or more.
Principal is coming due on the so-called partial interest- only loans as an 18-month-old recession saps demand for commercial real estate. About $179 billion of such loans were written between 2005 and 2007 and bundled into bonds, according to data from Bank of America Merrill Lynch.
With soaring vacancies and falling rents, some cash- strapped borrowers will fail to cover the higher costs, said Andy Day, a commercial mortgage-backed securities analyst at Morgan Stanley in New York. About 87 percent of mortgages sold as securities in 2007 allowed owners to put off paying principal for several years or until maturity, compared with 48 percent in 2004, Morgan Stanley data show.
“The worst is yet to come,” MetLife Inc. Chief Investment Officer Steven Kandarian said yesterday in a Bloomberg Television interview. “Typically there’s a lag between when the economy softens and when the defaults actually occur.”
Investors have already seen prices on top-rated senior debt drop below 70 cents on the dollar from 95 cents a year ago, according to Aaron Bryson, a commercial mortgage-backed securities analyst at Barclays Capital in New York.
Just a Stopgap
Interest-only mortgages were designed as a stopgap to allow owners to do renovations and absorb other costs. Owners delay paying principal for the first several years, lowering their initial monthly expenses. Partial interest-only loans allow for postponement of principal payments for a portion of the term. Full-term interest-only deals require the principal at maturity.
The jury is indeed returning from the .gov intervention of the residential housing crash.
1) record forclosures
2) record price drops
3) rising interest rates
4) record unemployment
5) record number of records……….
Obviously this outstanding performance paves the way for .gov to begin bailing out the Commercial side.
“Stocks Rise Following Better Data on Jobs, Retail Sales”
There must have been some data on Steve Jobs because the unemployment numbers are still just awful. Retail sales were assisted by high gas prices. Woo hoo. I just love the CNBC-ization of the entire financial news media. Nice job a–holes.
OK, you persuaded me to go ahead and buy a put on the index. BOT some puts on the “Diamonds” (DJIA basis). I spent $800 in the casino. If the Dow is below 7500 at the end of August, I make money. If the Dow has a big down day any day SOON, I make money. The chance that I lose $800 is pretty big, but it’s gonna be fun to watch.
Time to declare a commercial mortgage foreclosure moratorium? Or will free market principles prevail in this case, the way they do in discussions of executive pay?
I think it’s time to declare a moratorium on moratoriums.
top-rated senior debt drop below 70 cents on the dollar from 95 cents a year ago ??
The lead guy @ Capital Pacific just said a few days ago that they purchased some debt in Las Vegas for 50 cents on the dollar…
Thats exactly how I built my house. One year intrest only loan (construction plus the cost of the original structure). Finished it in one year and re-financed into a 30 yr fixed at 5.75. This is the utility of an intrest only loan but it can be extremely risky in the situation discribed above. Anyone who used an IO loan simply to buy a house outright is an idiot
(AP)- The Treasury Department reported Wednesday that the red ink so far this year totals $991.9 billion. The administration is projecting the deficit for the budget year that began Oct. 1, will total an all-time record of $1.84 trillion. That would be more than four times the amount of last year’s record deficit.
It’s entirely possible that the shortfall from taxes, plus more unexpected high ticket expenses over the next three-and-a-half months, will push the budget deficit for this fiscal year to $2 trillion. The government is trying to cure a crises caused by too much debt by going even more deeply into debt.
Those darn republicans!
Those darn republicans
Yep they ate all the food then lost the house and car gambling then they ran up the credit card on booze and fight club. Finally they show up at the house drunk suffering from chest pain.
Now from the hospital bed they yell at the person who is using what remains of their credit to treat them in the hospital and feed the rest of the family.
Republicans have brought us to the point of ruin.
Democrats are making sure it will happen.
So you’re saying we’re on a hunting trip with two friends, and the Republican accidentally shot us while trying to save the dog from a bear that was attracted to his poorly stored food and the Democrat thinks we’re a deer and is now gutting us out?
It’s entirely possible that the shortfall from taxes ??
I think this issue does not get nearly enough attention…Its going to get real ugly and government at all levels is coming for more of your money…
Yes…and on this news the market goes UP! The market rallies on an unexpected retail increase which apparently is the result of increased gas prices.
Meh - time to increase short positions.
“The foreclosure bucket is filling faster than it’s emptying”
You mean to tell me that the ’snapping-up’ crowd is not doing its job?
You mean to tell me that the ’snapping-up’ crowd is not doing its job?
Apparently not. I think they’ve been moved to the “Pent Up Demand” column.
Normally to be part of demand, it requires both the willingness and ability to purchase. I’m pretty sure pent up demand, by NAR standards, is anyone who is vaguely considering purchasing.
Al,
And that’s the reason we need now more than ever to appoint a Snappin Up Czar to get this crisis under control!
I think more people would lobby to be the Snatch Tsar.
“You mean to tell me that the ’snapping-up’ crowd is not doing its job?”
Now there’s a twist. The Humans are “snapping up” the alligators.
It’s totally anecdotal but two speculative McMansions in my parents neighborhood (McLean VA, Washington DC burbs) just went under contract. I will try to find out how much of a haircut the developers took and post it here but it seems that there is some “snapping up” going on. At least at the mid-to high end.
Without gasoline sales and other commodity price rises, retail sales would show a negative in May…
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Sales at U.S. retailers rose in May and the number of workers filing new applications for jobless benefits fell for a fourth straight week last week, according to official data on Thursday that suggested the recession was abating.
The Commerce Department said total retail sales rose 0.5 percent, the first advance in three months, lifted by strong gasoline and building material receipts. Sales fell 0.2 percent in April.
A separate report from the Labor Department showed the number of U.S. workers filing new claims for jobless aid fell 24,000 to 601,000 in the week ended June 6, the lowest since January 24.
“It looks like we are turning the corner. There is pretty clear evidence that the worst of the labor downturn has passed, but we still expect more job losses,” said Zach Pandl an economist at Nomura Securities International in New York.
Oil speculators are back in the game.Here in sacramento we are basically back to 3 bucks a gallon.
The local rag says today as of Monday the average price in Michigan was higher than Kallyfornia and Hawaii.
Kicking them when they’re down.
Oh so true.
$3.19 for regular in Eureka. But we are always the highest price in the nation.
Nah….
Gordo’s got you beat
(Big Sur for you Florida types)
Stick it to oil speculators
1. Walk
2. Ride a bike or the bus
3. Staycation
4. Work from home
5. Buy electric, or hybrid car or motorcycle ect
Today I am 2) riding my bike and 4) working from home. And I better get crackin’ on that work thing. One of my clients just got national news coverage, so I’ve gotta get her new website up pronto-pronto.
I canceled my extended trip because of the rocketing gasoline prices. It would have “only” raised the cost by a few hundred dollars but it’s the principle, to me. I’ve had enough of the Wall St. banks gouging the hell out of society. The sad thing is, all of those small businesses along the way lost money, because I always stop for sandwiches, drinks, snacks, and whatever else I feel like.
Pretty funny how quickly the bottom callers mistake the effect of rising oil price on retail sales for green shoots…
I was told, in a company meeting this week, that rising oil prices were a sure sign that inflation had taken over. It was the big boss saying this. I said, “take Goldman Sachs out of the equation and tell me what oil prices would be doing”. The subject got changed very quickly. It was a tense moment. But not for me. I won’t go along with the lying. They can fire me but they can’t make me be one of them.
You da man NYCB. Too bad there’s not more like you.
Excellent. Keep posting, will you NYCityBoy?
They can break me, but they can’t get my mind right.
“What’s your dirt doing in the bosses hole, Luke?”
Winston’s putting in some mean overtime!
Yes, the stock market is really juiced.
“It looks like we are turning the corner. There is pretty clear evidence that the worst of the labor downturn has passed, but we still expect more job losses,” said Zach Pandl an economist at Nomura Securities International in New York
The worst of the flood is behind us, however the water will continue rising another ten feet. WTF?
If oil goes to 100 then we should see a growth in retail! yeah!
If oil goes to 200 we will see a rise in pitch fork sales.
And it would improve the service economy in that there would be an increase in the sharpening of said pitchforks.
Oil’s going to “11″
There’s that word again: “fiduciary duty”
There’s that “other” word again: “Professional”
There’s that “other, other” word again: “Ethical”
Its been raining GOP cats & dogs in “The O.C.” this week, more from “Behind The Orange Curtain”:
“…The lawsuit accused the executives of reckless oversight of Fremont’s underwriting standards in violation of their fiduciary obligations to shareholders.
The lawsuit also provided a motive: By saving on the reinsurance costs, Fremont boosted profits by 120%, leading to a bonus for the executives.
“It was only by allowing the scheme to operate that defendants were able to exceed the target net income number by a hair more than the necessary number — 120.96% — and thereby trigger substantial bonus compensation to themselves,” said the lawsuit, which is still formally pending in Los Angeles Superior Court.”
“…Is Steve Poizner, the State Insurance Commissioner and a Republican candidate for governor, going easy on some of the financial executives behind the economic meltdown?
“Poizner has signed off on a court settlement that will pay $10 million to four top executives who steered Fremont General Corp. into bankruptcy.”
Candidate OKs $10 million for execs of bankrupt bank:
June 11th, 2009, OC Register by John Gittelsohn
I have a silly question.
If the Fed is just doing ledger entries to bring money into existence in order to buy down the treasury debt rates, what stops them from buying ALL the debt?
more printing machines
Buying all the debt would produce a 100% chance of currency collapse in a very short time frame. Instead they are buying some debt and risking a collapse in the near future.
I think the best analogy is drinking booze. If you have a couple of beers (or buy a bit of debt), you won’t end up passed out somewhere and suffer a massive hangover later. If you drink more, you might. If you have 50 drinks (buy all the debt), you’re toast.
I’m guessing the Fed is at the stage where they’ve had a few and are feeling goooood. They’re the life of the party in their own minds, but anyone who’s still sober is starting to get annoyed by their antics.
I think the Fed is a little further along in their buzz-curve and is on the verge of projectile-vomiting toxic puke chunks the size of boxcars.
+1
My vote for “best visual of the day”!
“…what stops them from buying ALL the debt?”
Last time I checked, we were still sending (virtual) green pieces of paper abroad in exchange for imported goods. Do you want this system to continue, or would you prefer to solely rely on US production to satisfy our product demand. (Hint: We would collectively be a lot more materially poor without imports.)
yes but you forget that alot of our trading partners want a trade surplus. They want to sell us more of their goods than they buy of ours.
This has been a problem decades in the making…I really wonder how it will play out.
I often wonder if this is really a problem. We get all the goods, they get all the paper. Reminds me of all those video games based on resources. Do you want the oil or do you want the piece of paper with the picture on it?
I’m willing to be more materially poor for a while in exchange for the benefits of creating a whole bunch of jobs to make the stuff that we’re no longer importing.
I understand all of the above, but no one has really told me anything that makes me believe that they can’t add entries and buy the whole enchilada. Obviously it would have devastating impacts, but it could be done, right?
Dude, suppose we accept your premise that they COULD do this? What of it? Since none of us (probably not even you) thinks they WILL do it.
Well, if we accept the premise that they could do it, they you need to ask the question, how far will they go toward this end?
It seems to me that TPTB feel that globalization inevitably will lead to a significant decline in the standard of living for first worlders. TPTB want above all else to remain TPTB. I wonder if at this point they really would do anything and everything.
Collapse the currency, collapse the debt, collapse the Fed, install Fed2.0.
“Collapse the currency, collapse the debt, collapse the Fed, install Fed2.0.”
Interesting thought. They certainly used a past panic to install Fed1.0.
Ultrasound: it’s a girl!
Thank Jeebus. Two and out!
Right on Mugster!…YOU GO GIRL!
“YOU GO GIRL!”
Thanks. Just so there’s no confusion, despite my femmie writing style, and emotional swings, I am a man that is often mistaken for an NFL lineman. I mean, like, huge dude.
Congrats! That’s great!
Hey-
Don’t have real data to support, but here’s my observation on one boy/one girl sibling dynamic:
In every family I know that has a “matched set”, the brother and sister are extraordinarily close. The older one tends to take the younger under their wing, in your case your little girl will have a protective older brother as well as a dad. Naturally as they mature into teen years the inevitable battle of the sexes will ensue, but it’s just a stage.
Your littleman now has a forever friend. (And her friends will probably be a source of dating goodness for him as well - )
phillygal,
Agreed, at least that’s been ‘my’ experience.
Congrats Muggy!
Add me to that list.
We fought like freakin’ wildcats before and during our teens but we became very close in our 20’s. Still are. Chat non-stop, you try getting a word in!
It’s a beautiful thing, isn’t it?…oh no I believe I’m getting verklemt!
Your littleman now has a forever friend
Seconded!
Congrats Muggy!
Counterexample. My brother was 9 when I was born, and he was forced into service as an occasional baby sitter. When I was 3 I threw a roller skate at his head, and he had to have stitches. In adult life we’ve gotten along fine but have never been extraordinarily close. Hint: now in his 70’s, he refuses to learn to use email.
In my case, not so much. I tend to put it down to the fact that my sister and I are 6 years apart in age. I mean, I love her and all, but at some level we’re just not all that close. OTOH we didn’t have alot of conflict with each other growing up.
Congratulations, man!
That’s exciting.
Soon you’ll be the very picture of the Rockwellian Renter Family.
(Norman, not Lew.)
Thanks for posting that Wapo article yesterday. If nothing else it’s a cautionary piece. I think adults sometimes forget what the world looks like from a kids’ eye view…
when I moved into a TH community after I sold the house, I was stunned at how parents would just let their very little children play in the parking lot. I would pull into the lot to find tots sprawled out on the asphalt. Oftentimes I’d urge the children to get up and play in their yards, or even in the large grassy island in the middle of the lot. The one time I mentioned to a parent that their kid was essentially invisible to motorists - even in my little sedan they didn’t clear my sightline - of course they got offended.
The one time I mentioned to a parent that their kid was essentially invisible to motorists - even in my little sedan they didn’t clear my sightline - of course they got offended.
There are an astonishing number of ill-prepared, indifferent, or bad parents in the world. It’s a credit to human resilience that so many kids survive and even thrive under less-than-ideal conditions.
(You’re welcome for the WaPo link!)
Muggy,
So, this is the 2nd of 4 rug rats according to your wife (aka your boss)? 2 is perfect. I’m happy for you guys. Pictures would be delightful, but skip the birthing ones, k.
Siblings are important. My mother is an only child and it shows.
Congratulations!
Nice work, Muggy. Have fun!
Awwww. I’m really happy for you Muggy. And for your new daughter-to-be. With both you AND the Mugster around, that’ll be one little girl who won’t have to worry ’bout nuthin.
Does this mean it’s time to disconnect the plumbing to the seed orbs?
You are SO lucky. Enjoy her.
Congrats, Muggy. I always wanted a daughter. Have to wait for a DIL.
“Ultrasound: it’s a girl!
Thank Jeebus. Two and out!”
Damn, mugster. Give your wife a break.
Good on you Mug.
I don’t make boys, the guys at work say all my swimmers have pink bows on them.
Interesting what passes for “intellect” in New York City, the Financial Capital of the World. Considering how most business in run in most capitals worldwide, the moniker is apt more often than not.
This dolt of an “economist” probably makes $200K annually for this and other erudite observations.
“It’s up to you, New York, New York!” Those days are over, Frankie. The worms have infested the Apple. Perfidy characterizes the intelligent there; stupidity characterizes nearly everyone else.
Stupid is as stupid does. They worship the God of Greed, or Mammon.
Was this legal? Or am I asking the wrong question again, as the Fed is above the reach of US law? One thing is for certain: If I were a large BoA shareholder, I would be interested in suing the Fed for twisting the BoA CEO’s arm into a breech of fiduciary duty.
market pulse
Jun 11, 2009, 10:00 a.m. EST
Lewis: Fed pressed me to finish Merrill deal
By Ronald D. Orol
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Bank of America Chief Executive Kenneth Lewis said government officials pressed him to buy Merrill Lynch & Co. after he became aware of major losses at the investment bank, according to Lewis’s testimony prepared for a House government reform subcommittee on Thursday. Lewis said that Bank of America Corp. approached Treasury and Federal Reserve officials in mid-December, after shareholders had approved the transaction, to discuss the idea of breaking up the deal because he had “concerns about it.” In response, Lewis said Treasury and Federal Reserve representatives asked him to delay any such action, and ‘expressed significant concerns about the systemic consequences and risk to Bank of America of pursuing such a course.”
Say what you will about Merrill, but I don’t think that the purchase of Countrywide was BOA’s finest moment.
Just wondering if one of the green shots coming up is how this corporation plans to cut back by 10% real soon:
9:23AM Delta Air Lines says global recession, rising oil prices forcing additional changes to business (DAL) 6.55 : Co issued a memo to its employees. “We are all seeing negative impacts from the global recession and rising oil prices not only in the news, but also in our communities and personal finances. Clearly, the airline industry is not immune. Industry passenger revenues have declined nearly 20 percent in the first four months of the year compared to the same period in 2008. That trend is expected to continue in the near term. On top of this, cost pressures from rising jet fuel prices - up more than 20 percent since the start of the year - coupled with softer travel demand due to the spread of the H1N1 virus, have created a difficult business environment. These forces that are affecting the industry are creating significant headwinds for Delta. Declining revenues will overtake the more than $6 billion in total benefits we expected this year from lower year-over-year fuel prices, merger synergies and capacity reductions. This morning, at an investor conference in New York, we will announce additional steps to align our capacity with market demand, preserve liquidity, and ensure Delta’s long-term success. This plan includes reducing our system capacity by 10% compared to 2008. Capacity reductions will begin in September.”
cobaltblue,
I was noticing that Clark Howard ( what a guy ) was mentioning just this morning in his snippet on HLN that flights to Hawaii are at the same levels as they were just after 9/11.
Of course, Clark is always looking for a deal!
I’m having a hard time finding flights to Maui for less than $600 from Cali. May cancel the vacation.
United was downgraded this week too - they can’t cut capacity fast enough, demand is dropping faster.
demand is dropping faster ??
And its the summer flying season…Wait until the Fall & Winter…It will not be pretty…Maybe a bankruptcy or merger coming ?? Where would the stock play be ??
IIRC, May 2009 - demand down 12% - capacity down 10%
Delta merged with NWA and has at least 2 extra hubs. I don’t think a hub at Detroit makes sense any more.
This is just the beginning of their cutbacks.
Skip,
And this is one of the core issues I think HB’ers really need to tackle. Just as we’ve debated that our “natural” rate of Unemployment may be closer to… 8 or 9%, so too I wonder what percentage of the pop. truly can afford to fly?
I have a client that’s worked for Delta since the 60’s. She said when she started people actually “dressed up” and put on their Sunday Best just to board the plane! Now she says, “We’ve become an airborne version of Greyhound”.
Just how many of these flights/routes will be necessary in the New America?
I can recall getting dressed up to fly during the 1960s and 1970s. I also remember that the flying public had better manners back then.
I don’t want to harp on dressing, but people sure are way to casual these days. Women leave the house, in clothing I would wear to clean the garage. Living in So Ca, you look like a freak of nature, dressing like a lady. When we flew to Europe we dressed up (1998). We were going on holiday, and wanted to feel and look the part.
Huh. I _like_ the fact that the world is more casual about dress than it used to be. I’m sitting here at work in a tie-dye t-shirt and chacos sandals—and I’m happy about it.
Travelling by air used to be a big deal. It was also expensive (which is why it was a big deal).
Now they are just flying busses (hence the name of Boeing’s main competitor: Airbus)
Well the Civil Aviation Board made SURE that the airlines were profitable, but prices sure were high.
Amen to dressing for travel. It’s a respect thing.
As late as the mid-sixties, I had to wear white gloves and a hat when I flew. Then I discovered the commuter flights to SFO….
I noticed when I was in NW China last year that the only people dressed in tee shirts and flip flops were the tourists. Locals were dressed for a special occasion–neat, crisp, clean. When something is dear, one tends to appreciate it more. I suspect the age of the exposed beer gut in 22C is coming to a close.
Beer gut? Ewww. Speaking of beer, um bear, how’s the bears treating you lately?
I don’t care how my seatmates dress, as long as they don’t stink and don’t spill over into my seat. Yesterday I had a disgusting 2 1/2 hours getting rubbed by some fat guy’s flank. Yuck.
They have been sweating bullets in Cincinnati about the Delta hub there, too. But for some reason, CVG has been about the most expensive airport in the United States to fly into, even if you use Delta.
Oh, CVG=Covington, Ky., where the airport is located.
I’ve always enjoyed the drive up/down the hill between Covington and Cincinnati, esp. heading south. Cross the river, then up, up and away!!
They can’t make money when oil prices are high, can’t make money when oil prices are low, can’t make money when business travel is high, can’t make money when business travel is low. Why do these companies still exist?
Why do these companies still exist? People must enjoy flying. They sure aren’t in business to make profits.
The public won’t pay a premium for flying vs. driving. Even for transcontinental distances.
And the bar for getting into the airline business is very low
-Lease a few airplanes
-Lease some gates
-Have a consultant make up your operating manuals
-Have your airplanes fixed/inspected by the low-bidding, God-knows-who in Central America
-Hire some $15/hour pilots, $10hr staff laid off by the majors
-Undercut everyone elso on price
-Lather, rinse, repeat.
Earlier this week I flew from Austin to BWI on Southwest. The plane was about 90% full. During the long fake boom years all planes (Southwest and other carriers) seemed to be 100% full. What is everyone else observing ?
Over the Christmas holidays, I flew back to Philadelphia to visit the parental units. My flights went like this:
Tucson-Chicago Midway
Chicago-Philadelphia
Philadelphia-Chicago
Chicago-Tucson
Only one of those flights was full, and that was the Chicago-Tucson flight.
I’ll be going to Vermont to visit my aunt later this summer, then hitting the University of Michigan homecoming in September, so I’ll have more observations to share.
“During the long fake boom years” LOL!
Yeah, that along w/ bink’s comments were kind of what I was driving at. We’re travelling “beyond our means” between kids going to college out-of-state ( like their parents could ‘afford’ it ) along w/ visiting distant relatives at the drop of a hat etc.
And they have no appreciation of this unprecedented access.
Add to that excessive businesses travel. Very few jobs really require a significant amount of travel. I can do my job over the phone, but I have to fly all over the place to our different regions periodically just because it supposedly boosts the morale of the troops, so to speak. Or something like that. I think it’s not worth the expense.
The first time I flew on an airplane I was 10 years old for a family vacation - the only one my family took by plane when I was a child. The second time I flew on an airplane, I was 21 years old and going on tour with a college singing group. The third time, I was also 21 and going on a job interview to CA. That was it until I started to have to fly for job interviews during law school.
Very different world these days. But I refuse to get misty eyed about people who want to go back to getting dressed up to fly. I’m short and I find the leg room constricting enough without feeling obliged to wear a skirt and hose.
“I’m short and I find the leg room constricting enough without feeling obliged to wear a skirt and hose.”
The seats are so narrow that my broad shoulders hang over both sides, and I’m forced to try to scrunch myself together not only out of respect for others, but because I’m just not into being that close to strangers (personal space issue). I have to get an isle seat, and my exposed shoulder is constantly brushed by the flight attendants and passengers as they walk by. The seats are way too small. I HATE flying.
Getting all dressed up to fly when you wear blue jeans normally at work: pretentious.
On the other extreme a gang banger was on one flight. You could tell - he had his jeans pulled down to see enough of his shorts. People were quietly staring at that odd fellow. I agree, that the gang banger was very disrespectful and should have not been allowed on the plane, let alone through the security checkpoints. Gangsta style has really got to go. You don’t wear it at work, you should not wear it on a plane.
Gangsta style has really got to go. You don’t wear it at work, you should not wear it on a plane.
My inherent revulsion at seeing some kid with his pants around his thighs with his boxers bloused out above is immediately tempered by my memory of fighting with my parents in the early ’70’s for the right to wear plain, white t-shirts 3 sizes too big and jeans with ratted hems dragging on the ground and holes in the knees.
My favorite flight was a flight into Vegas. Two twenty- something girls started hitting the Jack and Cokes as soon as the airplane leveled off in cruise…..over the next couple of hours:
-Had several “R”-rated puppet shows, using barf bags made into hand puppets.
-Several sing-alongs. Mostly to do with various body parts/functions.
-Argument between the two, on who’s boyfriend was “bigger”
-Kept bugging the Flight Attendants to “show us your ####s”.
It was pretty amusing actually. Mainly because they weren’t my kids. One of my daughters was with me, told her that their example was one that would best be avoided.
And to think I’m a pretty mellow guy after a couple of Jack and Cokes…
$15,000 credit to homebuyers:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=email_en&sid=aQmrxrzY0jfE&ref=patrick.net
There’s a bill working it way through congress giving every homebuyer a $15000 tax bonus, no restrictions on income or previous ownership.
What exactly would happen IF this bill passes?
The 15K can be easily turned into 75 - 150K purchasing power. That means rising real estate prices for as long as the program will be in place (1 year). After that prices will drop once again as funding and the “urgency to buy” dries up. That means the next generation of underwater homedebtors unwilling or unable to meet monthly obligations. You just can’t make that stuff up!
Let’s see what the bond market has to say about it. I think we might find the only thing that is going to end the endless manipulation of housing by the crooks in Congress is a stern, “go _____ yourself” by the bond market. It seems to be happening now. The market is screaming and these morons better start to listen.
Couldn’t agree more…
I saw that. And it isn’t just Chris Dodd and Barney Frank behind this one. Some Repub is also onboard. hey just won’t let real estate go; such a credit will definitely encourage more sheeple to buy. This country is obsessed with RE; why not a bailout for those who gambled in the stock market, in Vegas. I see we are also giving away $4,500 for old cars. All at a time when debt on the federal level is soaring. Change you can believe in.
So like won’t this put a damper on sales as buyers wait for the bigger incentive to pass? And then another? And another?
Central Planning = Fiscal China Syndrome
I hate borscht.
Have you ever had “green borscht”?
It’s made with sorrel, potatoes, onions, celery, scallions, and dill - pure bright summery goodness.
Borscht good, totalitarianism bad.
Sounds delicious. I just brought in an armful of sorrel–good timing Mr. P! I’ll use it as a dip for the artichokes. Yum.
I love sorrel in an omelette with potatoes and/or wild mushrooms.
Speaking of seasonal greens, we got some peppercress in Michigan last weekend that blew my freakin’ mind. So tasty. The last of it ended up in a tortilla espanola for dinner the other night.
Make this cucumber gazpacho with the sorrel.
Gawd, I love sorrel - I must be French! LOL.
sorrel + eggs = magic.
Even Bunning a Republican from Kentucky is in on this nonsense. I don’t even know what to say about this anymore. We’re bailing out everything and everybody, no matter how outlandish. I just sit by and watch in amazement. We’re going the same way as Clownifornia, Iceland, Ireland, Lithuania, etc.. I mean you don’t have to be CPA, MBA, nobel lauriat in economy or a prophet to see that this will end in complete and utter disaster.
Any Senator that can convince people to shell out $30 for his autograph is pretty smart in my book.
Frank and Dodd should start dating… we’d all be better off if they filled their time with themselves vs helping undo the mess they helped create…
Why don’t they just PAY everyone $100,000 to buy a home. Forever. Every time they buy a home. First homes, second home, etc… My guess that would perk up the housing market a bit, right?
Of course, to guarantee appreciation you will have to increase the handout over time.
Anthony,
Act…ually, the “Cash For Clunkers” really isn’t anything new. For years I ( yes I ‘did’ ) bought clunkers ( in de…cent shape ) and donated them to charity for “full NADA value”.
Of course it was up YOU to determine the overall condition of the vehicle. They snatched a knot in ‘that’ when they said, you have to wait until the charity SELLS the vehicle and then you can deduct the amt. it actually sold for!
( Please tell me I wasn’t the only guy that did this? )
The real estate is not the story. The crap paper on the bank’s books is the story.
If people were buying Beanie Babies with all this borrowed money, instead of houses, Congress would be talking about Beanie Babies subsidies, to prop up the Beanie Baby market.
Funny how nobody wanted to help FB’s cram down, but everybody wants new people to buy. This is just another way to hand money to the banks.
Combotechie was right. Keep those FB’s hopin’ and payin’, while casting about for new money from piggy banks on the sidelines. Makes those toxic assets less toxic.
Leveling the plane to land it in the river, so to speak.
“This is just another way to hand money to the banks.”
It gets even better, as if the loans come through GSEs, the banks get a guarantee. If the loans later go into foreclosure, the banks are made whole and Uncle Sam is left with yet another unpaid bill.
NEW YORK, June 11, 2009 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ — Mortgage rates
soared this week, with the average 30-year fixed mortgage rate rising to 5.95
percent. According to Bankrate.com’s weekly national survey, the average 30-year
fixed mortgage has an average of 0.42 discount and origination points.
The average 15-year fixed rate mortgage jumped to 5.37 percent, while the average
jumbo 30-year fixed rate rose to 6.96 percent. Adjustable rate mortgages were up
this week as well, with the average 1-year ARM moving to 5.16 percent and the
5-year ARM climbing to 5.49 percent.
The rising mortgage rates have made it undesirable for many homeowners to
refinance their mortgages. Yet there is an option left for them: the adjustable
rate mortgage or ARM.
Lets see what that does for housing prices… I’m a New England Democrat, but I can’t stand what Barney Frank & Chrissy Dodd have done and continue to do with respect to housing… If I were in Pelosi’s shoes, I would have fired them both from their subcommitte jobs the first 5 mins I was in office… they simply are not that bright and failed miserably in their jobs…. period..
Matthew,
I’d never even considered it in those terms but it would have helped her infinitely in her public image. Hey, a LOT of people have been thrown under the bus on ‘this’ one ( what’s a few career politicians in the grand scheme of things? )
Now if she can just stop the VP from acting like “The World’s Most Interesting Man”?
Oh and btw it would have gone a LOT farther than just addressing “image” issues. That’s ‘change’ even posters -here- can believe in!
The only change I believe in is silver dollars jingling in my pocket.
I hope Ken Lewis can clear this little thing up about Merrill so the rally can continue in financial stocks. Does anyone else get the impression these hearings are merely a formality to address issues of public outrage and nobody would ever really get in trouble and nothing would ever really develop as a result? The banks and the government have a very important scam to get back to and don’t need these kind of interruptions.
I’d like one no-down to go!
Having fun with employment numbers!
The Labor Department said today that initial claims for unemployment benefits fell last week by 24,000 to a seasonally adjusted 601,000. Still, the number of people claiming benefits for more than a week rose by 59,000 to 6.8 million, the highest on records dating to 1967. The department also revised last week’s data on continuing claims, replacing what had been a drop of 15,000 with an increase of 6,000.
(If it continued at that rate for a year 7,212,000 jobless would be getting unemployment money.)
I love how they spin this as “good news”.
“I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.”
~H.L. Mencken
“Democracy is the worship of jackals by jackasses.”
- H.L.Mencken
Spending the day looking at new places. As expected, I wil be forced to move because they won’t give a “deal” to established tenants.
Stupid, stupid, stupid landlords! Do they even calculate that one month of non-renting in NYC = wipe out all gains for a year?
Happening here in Tucson as well. Here’s an example, with some tasty comments included:
BICAS looking for a new home
If you like your place do not move!
I do and I suppose there’s always the free option of putting your John-Hancock on the renewal but the way I see it it’s just a giant game of chicken!
I’m too chicken to hassle my prop man, but i will admit I just checked CL today.
It’s almost time to change my posting name.
No more zombie banks, right?
I’m willing to roll the dice. Plus, the lease renewal form is a free option!
I disagree. You should absolutely move. They are betting that you are lazy and won’t bother. Make them lose that bet.
FPSS, I am in a similar situation. If my wife were not preggo, we’d be moving. I know I could get a better deal, but the devil I know…
At least my LLs are great and the house is decent. I was expecting a 5-10% drop, but at least we’ll be mo. to mo.
I sympathize.
I am gonna do a search anyway. Why not?
As I said, I always have the option of signing the lease, and I might snag something great.
One landlord asked me if I had “good credit”, and I told her, I could cut you a check for the annual rent right now, and the check will clear.
Cue combotechie - cash is king.
“I could cut you a check for the annual rent right now, and the check will clear.”
Touche’!
On a more serious note, I’ll state that this blog made me more fiscally conservative than I normally am - which is just scary.
I don’t associate with 99.9% of humanity now. Formerly, it was only 99%.
Well, out of 6 billion, .1% is still a LOT of people, making you HUGELY sociable, puddytat.
Oh, I’m very sociable. Anybody who cooks is by definition.
“I could cut you a check… right now, and the check will clear.”
You and the Federal Reserve both!
LOL
No green shoots, just red ink:
June 11 (Bloomberg) — Shirley Breitmaier’s mortgage payment started out at $98 when she refinanced her three-bedroom home in Galt, California, in 2007. The 73-year-old widow may see it jump to $3,500 a month in two years.
Shirley Breitmaier took out a $315,000 option ARM to refinance a previous loan on her house.
About 1 million option ARMs are estimated to reset higher in the next four years, according to real estate data firm First American CoreLogic of Santa Ana, California. About three quarters of those loans will adjust next year and in 2011, with the peak coming in August 2011 when about 54,000 loans recast, the data show.
If we do a dispassionate examination of the math we can examine what’s coming, and we will discover precisely why those who are calling for an economic recovery are dead flat wrong.
This woman gained an effective $3,500 a month in “purchasing power” by doing something that is extremely dangerous - that “money” came” not from earnings but from a bet “on the come” of a continued price appreciation in her house.
More than one million families did this, and if $3,500 is a reasonable “best guess” at the extra spending capacity per month that was generated, this means that the economy saw:
$3,500 x 1,000,000 = $3,500,000,000 per month in excess spending capacity, or $42 billion dollars annually.
But wait! Its much worse than just removing that spending capacity from the economy, because the interest costs on that recast loan remain, and continue to drag on aggregate demand until the original loan is fully amortized away (30 years!) or defaulted.
That $42 billion is final demand. There is also, of course, all the employment that is unnecessary. $42 billion is roughly 210,000 cars, as just one way of measuring it - that’s 210,000 cars that will not be built and the employees to build them that will be unemployed.
Further, there were about $750 billion of these loans originated between 04-08, and almost none of the losses from them have been taken by the banks. These loans are severely underwater and recovery is going to be lucky to reach 50% on them. (These loans, incidentally, are what sunk IndyMac, Downey Federal Savings and others.)
That’s another $350 billion in direct losses to the banks and other institutions that has to be taken and which is not being accounted for in the so-called “green shoot” claims, or in bank share price valuations. To quantify this in terms of market developments it is five times the “extra capital” that the banks have raised, five times the TARP funds that are being repaid, and one half the entire original TARP allocation.
These losses are real, they are inevitable, and they are currently being intentionally hidden instead of discussed and dealt with.
You can add the state of California to the long list of nightmares and problems caused by overhyped housing … yes, there are certainly many other problems with the state’s budget, but housing, again, is at the very center …
Average u-haul from los angeles to fort worth: $2100
Average u-haul from fort worth to los angeles: $570
Your point is???
I take it you are suggesting that a lot more folks want to move from LA to Fort Worth than the other way. But you have to take the wealth effect into consideration here: LA folks who are sufficiently above water to sell their homes and move to Fort Worth may have a lot more cash on hand to finance their moves than folks moving the other direction.
I think most leave out of necessity rather than desire….Either they are flat broke or they are stretching their dollars…
Whoa, PB, surprised you’re arguing against the UHaul index, which correctly foreshadowed the FL to NC exodus.
People with a lot of cash on hand hire a moving company.
lmao… yeah. Everybody wants to live in Fart Worthless.
Texas. It’s like a whole other country!
Also from the LA Times yesterday: Median home prices drop below 1989 levels in some parts of Southland
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-cheaphomes10-2009jun10,0,4802553.story?page=1
T-Minus 49 days…
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - California’s government risks a financial “meltdown” within 50 days in light of its weakening May revenues unless Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and lawmakers quickly plug a $24.3 billion budget gap, the state’s controller said on Wednesday.
Underscoring the severity of California’s cash crisis, Controller John Chiang, who has previously warned the state’s government risks running out of cash without a budget deal, said revenues in May fell by $1.14 billon, or 17.7 percent, from a year earlier.
Additionally, the revenues of the government of the most populous U.S. state fell short of estimates in Schwarzenegger’s budget plan by $827 million, Chiang said.
He warned California’s state government is speeding toward a financial disaster unless officials act urgently to balance its books.
“Without immediate solutions from the governor and legislature, we are less than 50 days away from a meltdown of state government,” Chiang said in a statement.
California’s revenues have been on a dramatic slide as a result of recession, rising unemployment and its lengthy housing downturn.
The state’s revenues from personal income taxes tumbled by 39.3 percent in May from a year earlier while revenues from corporate taxes fell by 52.1 percent and revenues from sales taxes sagged by 7.6 percent, according to a report released by Chiang’s office.
“A truly balanced budget is the only responsible way out of the worst cash crisis since the Great Depression,” Chiang, a Democrat, said.
Banking CEO’s response to California news
Let them eat cake I have mine, I earned it.
Cue pitchforks
“Banking CEO’s response to California news”
They like to have the free market set their compensation, but enjoy free government-provided financial disaster insurance insurance against gaping holes in their balance sheets due to their imprudent real estate investments.
The state’s revenues from personal income taxes tumbled by 39.3 percent in May from a year earlier while revenues from corporate taxes fell by 52.1 percent and revenues from sales taxes sagged by 7.6 percent ??
Just wait until they see the April 2010 revenue…
Remember in 2005 Ben Bernanke was Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisors, and said “There is no bubble”. He “couldn’t imagine” that housing prices would fall anywhere, for any length of time. He was a dead wrong egghead pump-monkey then; he still is.
You assume (falsely) that he actually believed what he said as opposed to saying what was expected.
Rookie mistake - read some Kissinger!
FPSS,
Along those lines, could you please once again provide explanation of why CEO’s, high profile officials in gov etc., so eagerly go on the record with total optimism when they know the opposite is true?
You say here Bernake said what was expected of him, not what he knows or believes. Is that the basis behind false optimistic talk?
Why are you referencing Kissinger?
Just to add, I remember also you gave your theory of why optimistic talkers don’t worry about being called wrong when the cr*p eventually hits the fan and proves their optimism talk wrong.
There are two questions here:
[1] Why Kissinger?
The answer is to understand the logic of the man who once (famously) stated - There are no permanent allies. There are only permanent national interests.
Memorize it! It explains how a lot of realpolitik works including CEO’s and finance.
[2] Why optimistic?
First, read [1]. Then, cue the statements:
(a) “Mistakes were made” - passive voice always. Who exactly made those mistakes? SILENCE.
(b) “Nobody could’ve seen it coming”. (YEP! - nobody)
It all comes down to the basic thing - better to be conventionally wrong than unconventionally right.
So you are saying,
1. Kissinger believed the only worthwhile and enduring alliance was to one’s interests. Loyalty or alliance to any particular country, group, or individual is misguided and not advantageous.
2. Identify the conventional and mainstream belief and align with that. Don’t say what you believe to be true, but rather say what people expect you to say, which is typically the conventional party line. If conventional beliefs are proven wrong, there is anonymity and safety in numbers. “Better to be conventionally wrong than unconventionally right.”
Basically.
Incidentally, I guarantee you do [2] all the time.
“No, that doesn’t make you look fat.”
“Wow, you’re a lucky man/lady to have met him/her/it.”
Sorry, society relies on these deft subterfuges at just about every level.
true
false optimistic talk = don’t cause a panic
Especially when you are the fed chairman.
It didn’t work very well, did it?
I remember this like it was yesterday. I wish the media would do the same.
Here is a little math quiz for y’all:
If 1 out of 398 US hhs was subject to a foreclosure notice last month, and even higher numbers of US hhs received foreclosure notices the previous two months, then for what number n did at least 1 out of n US hh’s receive a foreclosure notice over the past three months?
Answer: Assuming no overlap (i.e., the same hh would not have received more than one foreclosure notice over the three-month period), n = 398/3, or about 1 foreclosure notice for every 133 US hh’s. It doesn’t sound to me like we are going to run out of foreclosure inventory any time soon.
Jun 11, 2009, 4:58 a.m. EST
Foreclosures in May fall from April, rise from year ago
By Robert Daniel, MarketWatch
TEL AVIV (MarketWatch) — Foreclosure filings in May fell 6% from April, but rose 18% from May 2008, RealtyTrac reported on Thursday.
Foreclosure filings — default notices, scheduled auctions and bank repossessions — were reported on nearly 321,500 properties in the month.
May was the third straight month in which filings exceeded 300,000.
One of every 398 U.S. housing units was the subject of a foreclosure filing in the month, the Irvine, Calif., consultant reported.
US hh wealth has dropped by a full year’s worth of GDP or so over the past seven quarters — a 22% drop in net worth to US families. I am so happy the Congress could find $700bn+ last fall to make sure Wall Street’s bankers could keep getting their bonuses, as they did such a fine job of engineering this epic financial disaster.
Economic Report
Jun 11, 2009, 12:59 p.m. EST
Household wealth drops for 7th straight quarter
Private-sector debt declines for the first time on record
By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The net worth of U.S. households fell by $1.3 trillion in the first quarter, a seventh straight decline that has seen household wealth drop by nearly $14 trillion, the Federal Reserve reported Thursday.
Household net worth fell at a 9.9% annual rate in the first three months of the year to $50.4 trillion, the lowest in more than four years. Net worth — assets minus liabilities — peaked at $64.4 trillion in the spring of 2007, the Fed said in its quarterly flow of funds report. Read more.
U.S. families have lost 22% of their wealth since the peak. Much of the loss came in the fourth quarter of 2008, when households lost $4.9 trillion.
Households and businesses reduced their outstanding debt. Total private-sector debt fell at a 0.4% annual pace in the quarter, the first time that private-sector debt had declined since the Fed’s records began in 1952.
Households saw their assets drop by $1.4 trillion in the first quarter, including a loss of $448 billion on their real estate and $1 trillion on their holdings of corporate equities, mutual funds and pension reserves.
Liabilities of households fell by $114 billion in the quarter, as consumers reduced their debts at an annual rate of 1.1%. Consumer credit card debt fell at a 3.5% annual rate, the largest decline since 1980.
Disposable personal income rose at a 5.4% annual rate in the quarter to $10.8 trillion annualized. Net worth fell to 4.67 times disposable income, the lowest since 1992.
Owners’ equity in real estate dropped to a record low 41.4% of its value.
And the pols are openly waiting for the consumer to pick up the fallen banner and lead the charge!
There’s no laugh I can type here to reflect the folly in that - not even the FPSS laugh.
Ja, die Fahne ist mehr als der Tod!
Awesome!
Household wealth drops for 7th straight quarter ??
A crushing blow to the private sector…Maybe a knock out…….Where is the incentive to take ANY risk ?
“Where is the incentive to take ANY risk ?”
Here it is:
Wall Street Journal
* JUNE 11, 2009, 8:42 A.M. ET
US Sen Offers Bill To Expand Home Buyer Tax Credit
By Jessica Holzer
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)–A tax credit currently limited to certain first-time home buyers would expand dramatically under legislation introduced by U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga.
Under the legislation, any buyer of a home - not just first-time home buyers - would be eligible for a tax credit worth 10% of the purchase price up to $15,000.
A tax credit passed into law earlier this year is worth only $8,000 and is limited to individuals and couples making no more than $75,000 and $150,000 respectively.
“U.S. Sen. Johnny Isakson”, R-Ga.
Of course this clown is/was a realturd. Big surprise.
With Mortgage rates hitting 6% and rising, by the time they get this passed they will need a $30,000 tax credit to keep the ball rolling.
30yr.fixed w/ 20% dwn at 5% is $859.00 P/I payment on $200,000 house
30yr.fixed w/ 20% dwn at 6% is $863.00 P/I payment on $180,000 house
$15,000 don`t cut it
anybody else find it as comical as i do that they put “owner motivated” in their for sale ads? to me, the price they are asking says completely how motivated they are, nothing else. heck, i’d be motivated too if i was asking for $1,000,000 on a property that was only worth $100,000. i’d even say that i was VERY VERY motivated. if an owner isn’t motivated, why is it up for sale in the first place? just testing the waters?
I see a lot of the same listings… they are thinking “maybe I’ll have to pay $5k toward the buyer’s closing costs,” and I’m thinking “another $100k off and this house pencils out.”
probably true. i just think to myself every time i see ‘motivated buyer’ that it equals ‘please believe that this is a good price because i’m very motivated’. and i want to tell them, ‘let your price show me how motivated you are’.
it seems like gamesmanship to me. and really, i don’t like games, especially when it involves money.. my money. i’m more likely to counter with an even lower offer than i would other wise if i know they are ‘motivated’. they want me to think its a great price. i don’t buy it.
Low ball them. You will find out how “motivated” they actually are.
This is similar to my friends who started arguing my trades with me. I said, “there’s nothing to discuss, go open an account, trade, come back in two weeks and we’ll talk.”
Signs that say “MAKE OFFER!!” might as well be an ad for an auction.
i think you’re right Muggy. and they never like my offer. if they take it or not all depends on how bad they want to sell.
motivated = seller expecting foreclosure notice soon
That or “desperate to break even”.
yes Kim.. and i also noticed i said ‘motivated buyer’ above when i of course meant ‘motivated SELLER’. thank you to the many HBBers out there who were kind enough not to point it out.
Aberration!? Doesn’t the writer know that only one month’s worth of data is all that is needed to prove a bottom will soon be at hand?
How does the “more than 1.7m homes already repossessed” stack up against 900,000+ foreclosure filings over just the past three months?
Real Estate June 11, 2009, 12:01AM EST
Foreclosures Drop in May
But rising unemployment and mortgage rates mean the decline is more an aberration than the start of a positive trend
By Prashant Gopal
The May foreclosure figures are just out, and the number of filings in the U.S. dropped 6%. That should have plenty of people rubbing their eyes in disbelief. Good news, really? Could this be the beginning of the turnaround that so many homeowners have been hoping for?
More like a mirage in the desert. While Irvine (Calif.)-based RealtyTrac reported the decrease, foreclosures remain at the third-highest level on record. Economists warn that foreclosure activity is likely to remain high for some time, and still get worse.
…
Prime Borrowers Get Caught
Rising unemployment is becoming a major cause of foreclosures, which increasingly involve prime borrowers. Job losses have pushed Utah, Idaho, Oregon, Illinois, and South Carolina up the list of the highest foreclosure rates, says RealtyTrac Senior Vice-President Rick Sharga. (Utah, which was never a major subprime center, now has the fifth-worst foreclosure rate.) Another concern is that the expected reset of thousands of so-called pay-option adjustable-rate mortgages (ARMs), a particularly frightening loan that was popular in California, Nevada, and Florida during the boom, could cause another wave of defaults in coming years.
More than 1.7 million homes have already been repossessed since the foreclosure crisis began.
Citation:
BusinessWeek
Real Estate June 11, 2009, 12:01AM EST
Palm Beach County foreclosure filings spike 33 percent in May from April
Palm Beach Post Staff and Wire Reports
Thursday, June 11, 2009
Foreclosure filings spiked in Palm Beach County in May, research firm RealtyTrac says in a report released today.
According to RealtyTrac, 3,782 homes entered some stage of foreclosure, up 33 percent from April and up 42 percent from May 2008.
In St. Lucie County, 1,293 homes received foreclosure filings, down 9 percent from April but up 13 percent from May 2008. And in Martin County, 256 homes went into foreclosure, up 17 percent from April and up 1 percent from May 2008.
Nationally, the number of households on the verge of losing their homes dipped in May from April, and the annual increase was the smallest in three years.
But as layoffs, rather than risky mortgages, become the main reason that borrowers default on their home loans, foreclosures likely will remain elevated this year and into 2010. Many economists expect unemployment, now at 9.4 percent nationwide, to rise as high as 10 percent, and some project it will exceed the post-World War II record of 10.8 percent.
Foreclosure filings fell 6 percent in May from April, according to RealtyTrac Inc. More than 321,000 households received at least one foreclosure-related notice last month - 18 percent more than a year earlier - but the smallest annual gain since June 2006.
Despite the drop from April, it was the third-highest monthly rate since Irvine, Calif.-based RealtyTrac began its report in January 2005, and the third straight month with more than 300,000 households receiving a foreclosure filing.
One in every 398 U.S. homes received a foreclosure filing last month, according to the foreclosure listing firm’s report.
The mortgage industry has resumed cracking down on delinquent borrowers after foreclosures were temporarily halted by mortgage finance companies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and other lenders.
“It would not be a huge surprise to see the numbers level off a little bit at this point,” said Rick Sharga, RealtyTrac’s senior vice president for marketing.
Schwarzenegger threatens to shut down state government
Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vowed Wednesday to let California government come to a “grinding halt” rather than agree to a high-interest loan to keep the state afloat if he and the Legislature do not close the yawning budget gap in coming weeks.
A loan would only “give them another reason why we don’t have to do it now,” the governor said. “What we need to do is just to basically cut off all the funding and just let them have a taste of what it is like when the state comes to a shutdown — grinding halt.”
In the wide-ranging interview, Schwarzenegger challenged legislative Democrats to resist the influence of special interests fighting the deep program cuts he has proposed to help balance the budget.
Clearly alluding to labor unions that oppose the cuts, the governor said: “Do they want to protect the workers that provide the services, or do they want to protect the people that get those services? The choice is up to them.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-arnold-budget11-2009jun11,0,4348474.story
WASHINGTON (AFP) – The World Bank said Thursday the global economy is set to contract some 3.0 percent this year, sharper than previously estimated, urging more aid for developing countries amid the spreading crisis.
The latest growth estimate marked a significant revision to the bank’s prior estimate of a 1.75 percent contraction in late March and came ahead of a two-day meeting of Group of Eight (G8) finance chiefs that opens Friday in Lecce, Italy.
“Financial markets seem to have broken the fall over past months but there are clear fragilities, and risks remain,” World Bank president Robert Zoellick said in a conference call with reporters.
“…the global economy is set to contract some 3.0 percent this year…”
This is on an income rather than balance sheet accounting basis, right? Because word is out that the US household balance sheet is down by 22 pct ($14 trillion) over seven quarters…
I personally feel that the US household balance sheet numbers give a much more honest look at unemployment. I don’t think it is currently 22%, but I’d argue till I was blue that the REAL unemployment # is MUCH closer to 22% than the completely falsified 9.whatever they are touting now…
Is this something like putting a “price” on someone’s head? And how are them “reputational consequences” looking about now?
Fed Memo Said Aid for Bank of America Would ‘Come at a Price’
By Craig Torres and Scott Lanman
June 11 (Bloomberg) — Federal Reserve officials recommended putting a “price” on any government aid to Bank of America Corp. in connection with its takeover of Merrill Lynch & Co., according to documents released by congressional staff.
The officials also foresaw “significant reputational consequences” for the bank if it abandoned the deal, warning that investors would conclude Bank of America was “too weak” to complete the acquisition, according to a memo of “talking points” prepared by two senior Fed officials. The memo was part of a package of internal Fed documents obtained by subpoena by the House Oversight Committee.
The documents offer insight into Fed officials’ views on the danger of Bank of America Chief Executive Officer Kenneth Lewis backing away from the Merrill Lynch acquisition over increasing concerns about the health of the brokerage. The “talking points” memo detailed consequences including more intrusive government oversight of the firm in the case of special aid.
Bank of America’s “assertion that it would successfully exercise the material adverse effects clause” to break off the Merrill agreement “is not credible, according to Fed and other key U.S. government attorneys,” said a Dec. 21 document, called “Talking Points for BankAmerica Discussion,” attached to an e- mail sent by Fed Governor Kevin Warsh to Chairman Ben S. Bernanke.
‘Consequences’ for Bank
“This would cause significant reputational consequences for BA, in the markets, with the public and with regulators,” the e-mail attachment said.
…
Did the Fed officials also make clucking noises when Lewis talked about backing out of the deal and suggest that the size of his member was insufficient.
No clucking noise they just sent him a box with a horse head in it.
Two articles I found interesting
the International Energy Agency in Paris said that the slump in global oil demand in 2009 would be slightly less severe than previously expected, however. The organization revised its demand estimate upward for the first time in 10 months.
The IEA said in its monthly survey that global oil demand would fall by 2.9 percent to 83.3 million barrels a day this year. In today’s enviromment, even that is seen as good news. In May, the IEA was expecting a 3 percent annual fall in demand, the sharpest rate of decline since 1981.
Then from Bloomberg
June 11 (Bloomberg) — The World Bank, established in the wake of World War II to help eradicate poverty, cut its global economic outlook for this year, citing rising unemployment and weak production.
The Washington-based lender projects the world economy will shrink “close to 3 percent,” compared with a 1.7 percent contraction forecast in March, the bank said today in a statement. Developing countries may need $350 billion to $635 billion this year, less than previously forecast, to counter the effects of the global economic crisis.
3% contraction X world GDP =
Demand is only relevant to price in relation to supply.
Wells were shut in when prices fell off a cliff, who is giving credit to bring them back on line, especially in the turd world?
Signs of Hope in Housing, But a V-Shaped Recovery Isn’t in the Cards
Posted Jun 11, 2009 01:21pm EDT by Aaron Task
As with the broader economy, there are signs of improvement in the housing market - or at least a bottoming process. The latest example came this morning from RealtyTrac, which reported foreclosures fell 6% in May vs. April.
In addition, mortgage applications have risen in recent weeks and speculative buyers are being very active in some of the hardest-hit areas, like Phoenix. Hedge fund manager and blogger Jeff Matthews writes the housing market is recovering faster than you think.
But like the broader economy, there are many obstacles in the path of a true recovery in housing, much less a rebound:
* Home prices remain elevated by historic levels, and analysis of other post-bubble episodes suggests a dip beneath the long-term trend is likely.
* Mortgage rates are rising. The average 30-year mortgage is up to 5.59% the highest in seven months, Freddie Mac reports, after recently touching 4.75%. This is going to crimp refinancing activity; meanwhile, Obama’s HARP program has only helped less than 13,000 homeowners refinance to date, The WSJ reports.
* U.S. consumers remain under tremendous stress because of high levels of debt and rising unemployment. Many observers believe May’s dip in foreclosures will prove to be a pause and expect delinquencies to start rising again this summer.
* Banks are tightening their lending standards after getting burned badly by their lack of standards earlier this decade.
The bottom line is the housing market is not getting worse, but those expecting a rapid or V-shaped recovery are likely to be disappointed, just like with the broader economy.
“…but those expecting a rapid or V-shaped recovery are likely to be disappointed,…”
What about those trying to engineer a V-shaped housing market recovery?
1. “Many observers believe May’s dip in foreclosures will prove to be a pause and expect delinquencies to start rising again this summer.”
2. “The bottom line is the housing market is not getting worse…”
Huh?
“The O.C.” (Hwy thinks that “The O.C.” has surpassed “Sarah the Barracuda” in the “gift that keeps giving” category.)
BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)
St. Regis owners, lenders face big losses:
June 10th, 2009,OC Register by posted by John Gittelsohn
Good luck getting anything for the troubled St. Regis, says an O.C. hotel expert.
“They have no equity left. Zero,” Reay said, adding that the lender, Citigroup Global Markets Realty Corp. also probably will take a bath on its investment.
“The lender in first position is going to lose a big chunk of money,” Reay said.
These days, luxury resorts like the St. Regis typically have occupancy rates as low as 15%, Reay said. That clobbers investors who paid top dollar for a property.
In 2007, the owners of the St. Regis borrowed more than $300 million for the resort from Citigroup: A $230 million loan on the property and a $81 million “mezzanine” loan based on the owners’ equity.
“That property is probably worth about $150 million now,” Reay said. “The problem is there’s no financing”
Southern California has a glut of new luxury resorts, many of which are struggling to fill rooms during the economic downturn, especially since corporate partiers at the St. Regis drew the attention of critics in Congress and the White House. For example: In November, the Irvine Company opened the Resort at Pelican Hill, where rooms start at $695 a night. Other new resorts competing for high-end customers include Terrenea in Palos Verdes and the Grand Del Mar in San Diego.
“There’s the AIG factor,” Reay said referring to the outcry that surrounded news that partiers from AIG spent $400,000 at the St. Regis after last fall’s federal bailout of the insurer. “We’re also in a deep recession. People aren’t traveling and staying in high-end resorts. Business travel has fallen off a cliff.”dpstregis1
The hotel’s owner is an limited partnership affiliated with Makar Properties of Newport Beach. Makar is also the developer of Pacific City in Huntington Beach, a multi-use residential, commercial and resort property that is planned to include a W Hotel. Construction of Pacific City appears to have come to a halt and Makar is being sued in Orange County Superior Court by one of the prime contractors, Wright Construction Co., for breach of contract.
(Hwy thinks that “The O.C.” has surpassed “Sarah the Barracuda” in the “gift that keeps giving” category.)
High praise indeed.
These days, luxury resorts like the St. Regis typically have occupancy rates as low as 15%, Reay said.
Youch! I ain’t no MBA, but that doesn’t sound very … good.
Due to financial constraints there will be no 4th of july fireworks display in my SD city. who else?
I live in Richfield, MN, and our corporate sponsor has yet to cut its annual $15K check. It might be light out, literally.
After yesterday, get ready to bury or sell your firearms.
My only gun is a nail gun.
You can do a lot more with a rail gun.
The city-funded fireworks got cut in Tucson. And then you should have heard the yowling. It was like the whiners had all been let out at once.
Fortunately, private sponsors stepped forward, so we can watch A Mountain burn, just as we always do.
Due to financial constraints there will be no 4th of july fireworks display in my SD city. who else?
I think here in Vegas, they’re planning to douse the skeleton of the Echelon in gasohol and set it on fire.
burning man resort?
2008: contained
2009: constrained
NEVER happen! Barry is doing the big pay back now, gots to grease the wheels for the next election! As would any lowlife politician, which is the majority of the cesspool swimmers…
Business groups dare Obama to limit pay for union bosses.
By Amanda Carpenter on June 11, 2009 into The Back Story
Business groups are daring President Barack Obama to impose pay caps on labor union bosses in light of indications the White House will limit how much corporate executives can be paid.
President Obama has argued “corporate greed” has contributed to the economic crisis and appointed a “compensation czar” to review executive pay for several companies receiving taxpayer bailout money Wednesday. Now White House officials have told the press legislation should be enacted to limit executive pay in private companies through nonbinding shareholders votes.
“NEVER happen!”
Once the Information Czar gets going we won`t even hear this nonsense abuout labor union bosses having their pay capped by the compensation czar. Why to even mention it you would get a ride from the car czar to see the tar czar.
What happened yesterday? Are you referring to ending the 2nd Amendment via treaty?
He’s talking about the conservative radical terrorist who blew holes in the security guard at the holocaust museum.
fiscally conservative radical terrorist.
Wasn’t that guy a Nazi? He has more in common with today’s socialist workers party and it’s glorious leader than he does with, “the right”.
“Socialist workers party” huh mate? He’s a born and bred right wing nazi type having been whipped into a frenzy by the “conservative” talkers.
You own him. Just like you own the Tiller Killer.
germany = socialist
It is short for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (National Socialist German Workers’ Party). The nickname is based on the first two syllables, as pronounced in German and was already current in 1923 in Bavaria.
correct.
Ok….I think there’s been a discussion in the past about driving less to save energy, get exercise, blah blah. Here’s an example of where not driving causes problems.
Living in East Sacramento, CA close to the central city means I can bike a lot of places, including the local library. this evening I was riding home from said library when a jerk with a plastic bag on his head like some deranged super hero or wrestler SCREAMS at me while driving by. His intent was to scare which he did almost sending me out of the bike lane.
Well…..the car stops at the next light and he’s in the passenger seat with the window down. I pull up, set my bicycle down, walk up, and I’m just about to put my full 190 lbs behind a fist in his face when I realize there are witnesses and two small children in the back seat with mom behind the wheel. Mom looks scared.
So, they were stopped long enough that I had the chance to inform them that they are idiots for jeopardizing their lives, mine, and the lives of the small children in the back seat. They said nothing. Nor did they roll up the window.
Guy never took off the mask. Either it was dad or a teenager. Just stared at me. Idiots. It’s all fun and games in the safety of your car until you are faced with a real human being. An angry one.
Rob, that sounds like a horror movie I saw.
lol. He DID have that slasher look!
Was it Chastity Bono ?
2nd Amendment didn’t go away after that radical Muslim convert bent on domestic Jihad killed a GI a few weeks ago. Funny how the MSM blew right past that story. I guess that terrorist was the wrong race or something about offending Muslims before Barry went on tour.
It is funny how that got no air time, what the 88 year old Nazi did and the killing of the abortion doctor were horrible. But a radical Muslim convert bent on domestic Jihad killing an American serviceman would seem to be just as newsworthy. Kinda seems like what I was told Russian news was ahen I was a kid, they told the people what the state wanted them to know.
Ala Goebbels, no?
Speaking of glow in the dark wasp nests:
Radioactive wasps bug out nuclear cleanup workers -
By Shannon Dininny, Associated Press Writer – YAKIMA, Wash. – If workers cleaning up the nation’s most contaminated nuclear site didn’t have enough to worry about, now they’ve got to deal with radioactive wasp nests. Mud dauber wasps built the nests, which have been largely abandoned by their flighty owners, in holes at south-central Washington’s Hanford nuclear reservation in 2003.
That’s when workers finished covering cleaned-up waste sites with fresh topsoil, native plants and straw to help the plants grow — inadvertently creating perfect ground cover for the insects to build their nests. Nearby cleanup work also provided a steady supply of mud, which the wasps used as building material.
Today, the nests, which could number in the thousands, are “fairly highly contaminated” with radioactive isotopes, such as cesium and cobalt, but don’t pose a significant threat to workers digging them up.
“You don’t know what you’re going to run into, and this is probably one of the more unusual situations,” said Todd Nelson, spokesman for Washington Closure Hanford, the contractor hired to clean up the area under the oversight of the U.S. Department of Energy.
As for the wasps themselves, they’re largely long gone — the insects don’t reuse their nests when they colonize each spring.
The federal government created Hanford in the 1940s as part of the top-secret Manhattan Project to build the atomic bomb.
The site produced plutonium for the first atomic blast and for the bomb that was dropped on Nagasaki, Japan, at the end of World War II, and plutonium production continued through the Cold War.
Anybody want to start a bond courier service?
San Francisco Chronicle Editorials
On the Incredible Shrinking Budget
California’s cash crisis
Friday, June 12, 2009
The latest ultimatums have arrived: State Controller John Chiang is warning the governor and legislators that, unless they act swiftly to balance the budget, the state will run out of cash by July 28. And Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is telling legislators that he would allow a government shutdown before he would permit them to bridge the gap with high-interest loans.
“Cash is king now, in terms of our focus,” Chiang said, adding that the state’s cash flow is about to become so precarious that a wildfire or other natural disaster could accelerate the day of reckoning.
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Gloom over California home prices hard to shake
Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:09pm EDT
By Jim Christie
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Matt Bording doubts many in his financial bind would agree that home prices in California are near a bottom. And there are many in his predicament.
Bording owes more on his mortgage than his Richmond, California house is worth so he is giving up on the loan.
“We’re walking away,” Bording told Reuters, noting he will soon hand his lender the keys to the three-bedroom house he bought with his wife in 2005 because its value has plunged with his zip-code’s median home price over the last year.
“It’s down about 60 percent,” he said. “I don’t see that rebounding in a realistic time frame.”
Brisk sales of foreclosures are leading optimistic analysts to forecast an end to the misery of falling home prices in California, a first step to recovery in a key housing market at the epicenter of the U.S. mortgage crisis.
But Bording says his neighborhood is full of for-sale signs for known foreclosures and the disrepair of other houses suggest their owners share his view: “They may want to jump off a sinking ship.”
Neighbors are forcing neighbors into foreclosure
By PAUL J. WEBER – 12 hours ago
IRVING, Texas (AP) — Thousands of Americans who have generally kept up with their mortgages are still in danger of losing their homes because they made a fateful trade-off in this shaky economy — they let their homeowner association dues slide.
Many homeowners are learning to their surprise that condo and neighborhood associations that oversee security patrols, mow lawns, plant flowers and clean the community swimming pool may have the right to foreclose when dues aren’t paid. That right is often written into the purchase agreement signed by the homeowner.
Among those who have been threatened with foreclosure is Lacey Pilat, who lost her job catering lavish corporate parties and nearly lost her two-story house in this Dallas suburb.
“Basically, our landscaper was foreclosing on the house,” said Steve Pilat, her husband. “That’s the way we looked at it.”
Boston Real Estate Now
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A California-style price collapse here? Dream on
Posted by Scott Van Voorhis June 10, 2009 09:00 AM
OK, I have a tendency to label folks predicting a price collapse here doom-and-gloomers – which may or may not be fair.
However, it’s easy to get fed up with housing prices around here.
Even amid the downturn they are simply too high. I found myself recently shaking my head over the sale of a ranch in Weston for $2 million.
Must have been some ranch.
Yet pining for a California-style price collapse is not going to make it happen here.
I am talking about a 50 percent or more plunge in prices, compared to the more modest, 20 to 25 percent decline we have seen here in the Boston area.
Five of the nine metro areas that have seen prices fall by 50 percent or more are in California.
Just check out the stunning, 41 percent nose dive home prices have done in the San Francisco Bay area over the past year, bringing the median sale price down to $304,000.
But there is a big difference between what happened in California and what won’t happen here.
That difference is the vast amount of new housing rolled out in the Golden State during the boom, compared to the Bay State’s anemic production levels.
Back in 2005, California churned out a stunning 208,000 new housing starts, the Construction Industry Research Board reports.
Perhaps this resort is bailout-worthy, too?
Don Kelsen / Los Angeles Times
The St. Regis Monarch Beach, shown in 2001, has six restaurants, a golf course and a private beach club but has been hit by a drop in bookings. The owners have defaulted on a $70-million loan, sources say
St. Regis resort in Dana Point faces foreclosure sale
Don Kelsen / Los Angeles Times
The St. Regis Monarch Beach, shown in 2001, has six restaurants, a golf course and a private beach club but has been hit by a drop in bookings. The owners have defaulted on a $70-million loan, sources say
The owners of the Orange County resort, known for being the site of a $440,000 AIG retreat after the federal bailout, default on a $70-million loan.
By E. Scott Reckard and Roger Vincent
June 10, 2009
Want to buy a five-star, down-on-its-luck resort?
The St. Regis Monarch Beach, infamous as the hotel where American International Group sponsored a luxury retreat just days after accepting a federal bailout, has been scheduled for a foreclosure auction.
Karma should not be mistaken for coincidence.
examiner dot com
St. Regis Monarch Beach woes underscores sign of the times
June 11, 2:24 PM
Perhaps it’s a coincidence – perhaps not. The St. Regis Monarch Beach, a beautiful property in Orange County, Calif., is on the foreclosure auction block according to a report in the Los Angeles Times. The 400-room resort, which features a golf course with ocean views as well as private beach club, is perhaps best known as the destination where American International Group (AIG) sponsored a luxury retreat days after accepting a federal bailout.
The property’s owners reportedly are in default on a $70-million loan from Citigroup Global Markets Realty Group. Citing sources, the LA Times said negotiations continue in an effort to avoid an auction, unless a deal can be worked out, the St. Regis will go on the block July 7. According to the newspaper’s sources, the St. Regis, which opened in 2001, is current on two other mortgages totaling $230 million.
The St. Regis is by no means alone in its financial woes during these tough economic times for hotels and resorts.
Median home prices drop below 1989 levels in parts of Southern California
www dot chinaview dot cn 2009-06-11 05:24:06
LOS ANGELES, June 10 (Xinhua) — Properties in several areas in Southern California are selling for less than they did 20 years ago, and that’s not including inflation, according to figures published on Wednesday.
The median price in the six-county area was 247,000 dollars in April, about what it was in 2002. But in mainly desert communities such as the Antelope Valley and Inland Empire, median prices have fallen below levels recorded in April 1989, according to MDA Data Quick, a San Diego real estate information service.
Prices also tumbled below 1989 levels in neighborhoods in areas like Palmdale, Hemet, Barstow, Desert Hot Springs, Victorville, Highland, Santa Ana and Oxnard, Data Quick said.
That means thousands of homes in those neighborhoods — even houses barely 20 years old and in decent shape — have lost every dime of their appreciation, giving back not just the gains of the recent bubble but steady increases logged over a generation, said the agency.
The median price is the point at which half the homes sell for more and half for less.
Losing two decades’ worth of gains in a single downturn “has never happened,” said UCLA economist Edward Leamer, who has studied local areas during booms and busts. “You’re seeing something that’s abnormal.”
Back to the future home prices
By Keith Reid, The (Stockton) Record
Posted: 06/10/2009 02:43:13 PM PDT
Updated: 06/11/2009 03:49:41 PM PDT
STOCKTON — Real estate bargain hunters in Stockton can buy property for less than the sticker price of a Cadillac Escalade in today’s market.
San Joaquin County real estate listings contain at least two dozen homes priced less than $50,000 and at least one as low as $15,900. These are prices not seen in California since the 1970s, a decade in which home prices climbed from $23,000 to $84,000.
The median home price in the county peaked at $425,000 in the fourth quarter of 2005. The county’s median home price at the start of this year had dipped below $200,000.
Most of today’s Stockton bargains, all coming as part of a wave of foreclosures, will be scooped up by investors. However, a first-time home buyer who has patience, persistence and a well-equipped tool belt has new opportunities, real estate experts say.
Market newcomers be warned: These homes come with problems that can’t be covered with paint.
One thing to note, though: 1989 was the peak of a housing bubble here in California. We didn’t see 1989/1990 prices again until about 2000/2001. Technically, this article could just be telling us that prices are below 2000/2001 levels (the natural peak, prior to the credit bubble taking over, IMO), which is the same as saying prices were below 1989 prices.
Nominal prices.
Contrary to what the true believers think, prices DO go down, and can remain below peak levels for many years.
They are trying to make the declines appear more dramatic than they really are. It’s all about the spin.
Oh, and they forgot to mention that the demographich changes in many of these neighborhoods make them far less valuable than they were 20 years ago. Many of these areas went from peaceful, desert towns to ghettos over the years.
Please forgive me for the spelling/grammar problems…
Oxnard thought it was la jolla a few years ago.
good to hear it!
Revenue at tribal casinos in California sinks along with the economy
08:40 PM PDT on Thursday, June 11, 2009
By JACK KATZANEK
The Press-Enterprise
Gamblers are still spending money at California’s Native American casinos, although they appear to have spent less each time they visited last year, a recently released report indicates.
Revenues at Indian casinos across the country were actually up 2.3 percent in 2008, according to the annual report from the Nation Indian Gaming Commission. But in California, where most of the 58 tribal casinos are in areas affected by last year’s collapse of housing markets, revenues were down 5.6 percent.
Tribal casinos in California had slightly less than $7.4 billion in revenues last year. Revenues are defined as the amount taken in from wagering less the winnings paid back to players. Overall, the 405 tribal casinos and bingo halls in 28 states saw more than $26.7 billion in revenue.
If you are tired of waiting for home prices to fall back to affordable levels wherever you may live, how about a $6,000 home for you — in Detroit?
Home sales rise as prices keep falling
BY GRETA GUEST • FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER • June 12, 2009
Metro Detroit home sales rose by 12.6% in May as compared with last year, yet home prices continued their fall — an indication that the market hasn’t hit bottom yet.
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Overall, 5,955 homes were sold in May, compared with 5,288 sold in May 2008, according to Realcomp, a Farmington Hills-based multiple listing service.
The median sales price for homes sold in May was $50,000, a 44.3% drop from $89,700 in May 2008.
Foreclosures continue to drag down prices. In May, foreclosure sales accounted for 60% of all homes sold. And the median price of foreclosed sales in the metro area was $26,400 compared with a median sales price of $110,000 on non-foreclosed homes.
In the city of Detroit, the median sales price in May was $6,000, down 29.4% from May 2008.
BusinessWeek
With Securitization Down and Out, Home Prices Will Falter
Posted by: Mara Der Hovanesian on June 11
Big banks keep making big noises at any opportunity about how they’re doing their bit to keep the economy going and making new loans. MBS analyst Laurie Goodman at Amherst Securities Group in New York City, one of the best MBS shops on the street in my opinion, begs to differ. In a report issued today, Goodman acknowledges that the ongoing skid in home prices (a 32% decline in home prices from the mid-2006 peak, as measured by the S&P/Case-Shiller 20-City Index) is due to over-extended borrowers in bad loans. Yet, she says, another factor is contributing to the declines just as much: a lock-down on mortgage credit, i.e. banks still aren’t lending.
The main culprit is that the securitization market, or the secondary market where investors buy these mortgages as investments, is still in lock-down mode. Even though the Fed has spent $531 billion of the $1.25 trillion it has allotted to buying Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgages, “that’s done little to address credit availability,” Goodman writes.
If a bank makes a loan, it must either hold that loan on its balance sheet, or securitize it. Since the securitization market has shut down, all the loans made now are staying on the books. And that’s added pressure for banks already constrained by capital needs.
Here are some numbers from Goodman’s report which drive the point home: In 2008, there were $97 billion of prime jumbo mortgages (which are outside the parameters of conventional loans bought by government agencies, Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac) with just $6.6 billion of that sold on the secondary market and the rest held in-house in banks’ portfolios. In 2006, by contrast, $480 billion was originated with $219 billion of that turned into MBS pools, leaving $261 in banks’ portfolios. By Goodman’s calculations, that means that securitizations are down 97% and portfolio originations have fallen 66%.
32 pct, eh? I am losing track of the score…
Shiller Says U.S. Home Prices May Decline for Years (Update1)
By Kathleen M. Howley and Erik Schatzker
June 9 (Bloomberg) — U.S. home prices may continue to tumble for years, according to economist and Yale University professor Robert J. Shiller.
“Our sense that housing is a wonderful investment is really damaged now,” Shiller said in an interview with Bloomberg Television today.
The state of the economy will have a greater impact on interest rates than the housing market, Shiller said. The recession may end later this year, though the recovery may be lackluster, he said.
“We may have a recovery, but I suspect it will be a disappointing one,” Shiller said.
The Standard & Poor’s/Case-Shiller national index of home prices, named after the professor, has fallen 32 percent from a high in the second quarter of 2006.
Nashville home prices, sales drop in May
By Naomi Snyder • THE TENNESSEAN • June 10, 2009
Despite warmer days, low interest rates and generous tax incentives for first-time homebuyers, May appears to have been a ho-hum month for real estate sales here.
The median home price in the Nashville area fell 10.6 percent from a year ago to $169,900 in May, the Greater Nashville Association of Realtors reported Tuesday.
Sales of single-family homes, condos and land fell 28.9 percent from a year ago to 1,783 completed sales last month.
One of the brighter bits of data was the median price of condos, which was off only 1.7 percent from a year ago to a median sales price of $156,250 in May on 228 sales. A month earlier, condo prices were down 7.5 percent from the same period a year earlier.
“You’re always disappointed when you don’t see an increase,” said Christie Wilson, a broker with The Wilson Group Real Estate Services. “It’s the nature of the market right now. Sales are down. Values are down.”
Dallas-Fort Worth home sales drop almost 25%
12:00 AM CDT on Tuesday, June 9, 2009
By STEVE BROWN / The Dallas Morning News
stevebrown@dallasnews.com
North Texas pre-owned home sales dived almost a quarter in May from a year earlier. But median prices were down only a fraction, according to statistics released Monday.
Real estate agents sold just under 6,000 pre-owned single-family homes last month, Texas A&M University’s Real Estate Center and the North Texas Real Estate Information Systems Inc. reported. It was the lowest home sales total for the month since 2000.
Through the first five months of 2009, pre-owned single-family home sales in North Texas have fallen 24 percent from the same period of last year, and condo sales are off 33 percent.
The May declines are the latest in a long string of year-over-year home sale decreases.
And analysts are watching closely for some kind of leveling in the market.
“You never know for sure when the market has hit bottom until well after the recovery is under way,” said David Brown, who heads the Dallas office of housing analyst Metrostudy Inc.
“That being said, I believe the Dallas-Fort Worth single-family sales activity is in the process of bottoming out.
“We will, however, get more reports of monthly sales declines through the remainder of this year. I expect homes sales activity in the D-FW market to bounce along the bottom for the next year or so until consumer confidence and the job market demonstrate sustained improvement.”
Median home sales prices have dropped 4 percent so far this year to $139,500, according to the latest data.
The Vancouver Sun
Western Canada leading real estate industry in new home price declines
By Mario Toneguzzi, Canwest News ServiceJune 10, 2009Comments (3)
CALGARY - New housing prices across the country fell by three per cent in April compared with a year ago, primarily because of continuing declines in western Canadian centres.
In Calgary, Statistics Canada said new houses prices fell by 8.8 per cent from April 2008 to April 2009. Edmonton saw a year-over-year drop of 12.5 per cent while Saskatoon had an 11.9 per cent decline. In Vancouver, the drop was nine per cent.
The federal agency’s New Housing Price Index, released today, also showed that contractors’ selling prices decreased nationally by 0.6 per cent in April from March.
Between March and April, prices declined the most in Vancouver (1.2 per cent) followed by Edmonton (0.9 per cent) and Calgary (0.8 per cent).
Go to sleep PB.