Bits Bucket For June 16, 2009
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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Good morning HBB!
I didn’t get to read Yesterday’s BB, nor Sunday’s, until early this morning. Thanks to all for the good info.
California moratorium will have little to no effect IMHO. The last one didn’t so why should this one?
PB, you almost sounded for a bit there that you give some credulity to my theory of the Fed buying all the debt. I must admit that I hadn’t even really thought of the plan to crash the markets in order to do the heavy lifting. That certainly maximizes pain for the maximum number of people, which is what the market is designed to do!
“…which is what the market is designed to do!”
Mr Market could not do it nearly so well without the help of the Fed to muddy the waters, IMO.
In normal times I think that theory might hold - but not so sure right now. There’s simply too much debt flooding the market to enable use of stock market equity to fund it - in the medium and long run at least.
Stock market equity right now I believe is on the order of $15 Trillion or so. (I see an article from March 9 stating that the markets lost $11T in its plunge from 14k -> 6.5k, so 15k would be an approximation of current value). Budget projections are for about $10 Trillion of new US government debt to be issued in the next 10 years. So - no problem right? Wrong.
A. Even though there’s $15T of equity in the markets - $15T can’t actually be pulled out. Each stock sale below ask reduces the value of the rest of the existing stocks by some amount. Thus the equity is reduced on stocks that aren’t even sold. So for example pulling say $1M of money out of the market actually makes the total equity go down by more than $1M.
B. Aside from that obviously there’s a limit to how much can be pulled out due to a natural bottom. There’s a firm bottom that’s probably well above $5 Trillion.
C. If the stock market continues crashing - government revenue will continue to decline from reduced capital gains tax revenue, and increased writeoffs. This will push the new debt beyond the projected $10T or so (and already is in fact).
D. Obviously it’s just not politically viable to allow the market to crash. This was feasible at the end of Bush’s term since obviously he wasn’t up for re-election - he didn’t mind a crash. But make no mistake about it - Obama intends to be in office his full 8 years in order to implement his socialist plans. He and his cronies will do everything in their power to try to keep the market from crashing further. Inflation is much nicer political outcome than a market crash.
All that being said - I do believe that the market may still crash, just due to the overwhelming affect of the still-very-bad fundamentals, in the housing market and otherwise. However I don’t think it will be a politically-induced crash. I think that instead a crash may be caused by higher interest rates if more QE *isn’t* performed by the Fed.
Rock and a hard place.
“I must admit that I hadn’t even really thought of the plan to crash the markets in order to do the heavy lifting.”
This is definitely not what I have been saying. Go back to last fall and read some financial news headlines. The U.S. investment banking sector essentially ceased to exist, as those banks that did not collapse outright (Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers) were all put on government life support. So far as I know, this is still the real situation; i.e., the crash is already in the bag.
Now enter the green shoots theory: Much sooner than the critically wounded patient could have actually recovered, the Fed is floating econoganda to suggest the worst is over, and it is all roses from here on out. Getting a whiff of irrational exuberance makes bulls want to sink money back into the stock market. Stocks go up rapidly in anticipation of a cyclical recovery — never mind the unrepaired structural carnage that underlies the situation. After the bulls have run for a while on Wall Street in response to the lush mirage of the green shoots meme, all that has to happen for Mr Market to spark a flight-to-quality run back into l-t T-bonds and dollars is for a ‘worst-than-expected’ data release or financial news story based on the grim underlying reality to leak up to the MSM.
The Fed is using psychological economics to keep the economy balanced between reality-driven deflation and euphoria-driven inflation expectations. Not a bad job given the situation at hand, IMHO.
Here is the way I see it.
Banks needed to complete secondary offerings to shore up their balance shets. Plus they want to convert FED’s loans/pref shares to common at the highest price possible. FED and MSM pump green shoots slogan to advance this process.
When this is complete they will want the market to crash again in order to drop interest rates to allow refinancing. They may also desire another crash to get the gov and people to go along with handing over regulatory function to the FED, and getting more stimulus cash.
Cynic out.
Agreed, except I am not so sure about the “want to crash” part. I think the crash has already happened, it is structural, and whenever the veil of “green shoots” is punctured by reality-based news bubbling up through the MSM, a mini-crash accompanied by plunge protection measures is naturally going to occur. The plunge protection measures help translate what could be a stock market crash to fundamental levels into a flight-to-quality move into bonds without absorbing too much (financial) potential energy for future flight-to-quality moves.
Agree w/ measton about the secondary offerings. Agree w/ PB about the great convenience to our overlords of the “flight to quality” phenomenon.
The fact that the secondaries were complete was among my reasons for buying the tiny put on the Dow last Thursday. The $810 was worth about $1200 early afternoon today. But, taking Muggy’s advice temporarily, I am letting it ride a little longer. (Luckily I can afford to lose the whole $810 if I am wrong and the new stock downdraft gains no momentum.)
Q. Which group of individuals is most susceptible to getting misled by the “green shoots” meme?
A. Economic forecasters, as evidenced by the prevalence of “worse than expected” data releases.
BBC NEWS | Business
May rebound in US housing starts
House under construction
Housing starts were still well down from last year’s level
The number of new houses started in the US rebounded in May from April’s record low, the Commerce Department has said.
Housing starts jumped 17.2% to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 532,000 units in May, up from April’s figure of 454,000.
However, the rate was still down 45.2% from May 2008.
Also on Tuesday, the Federal Reserve said industrial production fell 1.1% in May from April, which was worse than had been expected.
Oh I don’t think anyone of note ‘really’ believes the worst is over and that it will be “all roses” going forward by any stretch. No one “I” know anyway.
Additionally, crashing the market in an effort to get rates down ( not sure how that would work exactly? ) would be moot even assuming it ‘could’ be accomplished.
Even the most dense in D.C realize they’ve pushed on the re-fi string about as much as they can.
“Additionally, crashing the market in an effort to get rates down ( not sure how that would work exactly? ) would be moot even assuming it ‘could’ be accomplished.”
Reread my post above, as you clearly misunderstood it.
DinOR - I think “dude” was the one proposing that the market crash might be intentional, to drive money to treasuries (in the top post above).
PB did mention yesterday that a such a crash might do that - however didn’t propose it as intentional.
Actually - I say that but now after re-reading your post from yesterday PB I’m not so sure:
Were you proposing that the data projections are perhaps setup to drive money out of the markets into treasuries?
If so - see my post above - I don’t think that’s part of the plan; mainly since it’s not politically expedient.
I reiterate, the crash is in the bag (last fall), on a structural, not cyclical basis. It takes many years, not a few months, for the economy to recover from such events.
Actually I was responding to *measton’s comment. Are we still apppppplying the same “flight to quality” metrics we’ve clung to in the past?
Hasn’t exactly panned out of late.
Part of the confusion on this thread is that when some of you guys say “crash,” you are talking about prices. By contrast, I am talking about the underlying fundamental economic reality that would determine prices if the efficient market theory actually held.
This item gets right to my point about fundamental economic reality:
Economic Report
Jun 16, 2009, 9:45 a.m. EST
U.S. industrial production slumps 1.1% in May
Capacity utilization in factories plunges to record-low 65%, Fed’s data show
By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The nation’s industrial output tumbled 1.1% in May, led by big drops in motor vehicles, mining and high-technology products, the Federal Reserve reported Tuesday.
The decrease was a bit worse than forecasts of a 1% drop. April’s output was revised lower, to a decrease of 0.7% from 0.5% reported earlier. See Economic Calendar.
Output is down 13.4% in the past year, the largest year-over-year decline since 1946, and has fallen in 16 of the past 17 months since the recession began in December 2007. Since that month, industrial output is down 14.8%. Read the full report.
Capacity utilization in industry fell to a record-low 68.3% last month, down from 69%. Capacity utilization — a key measurement of slack in the economy — stands 12.6 percentage points below its long-term average.
In manufacturing alone, capacity utilization fell to a record-low 65%. The government has tracked capacity data since 1948.
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“if the efficient market theory actually held”
And that’s all I was attempting to establish. Let’s go ask all the people that fled to Muni’s last spring how that 20% hit ‘flight’ worked out?
Besies, w/ ALL of the pol. pressure from legions of soon-to-retire boomers in the wings, is a market crash ( engineered or otherwise ) anything a sane sitting President would actually want?
Things are chaotic enough right now.
You guys made me glad I got up early.
Talk among yourselves, I’m off to reform an errant process.
Green shoots will turn brown soon: Stephen Roach, chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia
Sachin Mampatta / DNA
Thursday, June 4, 2009 1:30 IST
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This is an unusually synchronous recession for the global economies, Roach said. Usually, in a global recession, half the world’s economies contract while the other half is rising. So when the rate of contraction moderates, the balance swings pretty sharply towards expansion.
“This time, as of mid-2009, 75% of the world’s economies are contracting and so the balance between contraction and expansion is skewed towards weakness. That will limit the upside for the world economy.”
Due to these reasons, the current global rally in equity is not justified based on fundamentals, said the economist. The recovery being priced in is a V-shaped recovery which is unlikely. The markets have run ahead of themselves and should correct, Roach said. “The green shoots will turn brown this summer.”
Bond Report
Jun 16, 2009, 1:01 p.m. EST
Fed’s short-term note purchases help Treasurys
Data on wholesale inflation, housing kept government bonds under pressure
By Deborah Levine, MarketWatch
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Treasury prices turned higher Tuesday, pushing yields down a fourth day, as the Federal Reserve bought debt maturing in 2012 and 2013, the first of two such operations scheduled for this week. U.S. equities also turned negative, supporting bonds.
U.S. debt was under pressure earlier as a pair of economic reports showed tame inflation and a surprising improvement in housing starts, adding support to the viewpoint that the U.S. economy is recovering.
Ten-year note yields (UST10Y 3.66, -0.05, -1.40%) declined by 4 basis points, or 0.04%, to 3.68%, the lowest on a closing basis since June 3.
Two-year note yields (UST2YR 1.20, -0.02, -1.56%) fell 2 basis points to 1.21%.
Yields move inversely to bond prices.
PB,
Not saying you’re extracting a specific data point ( and that ‘alone’ ) to make your case, and I’m not even sure I’m arguing it, but if you look back to Q4 ‘07 nearly -everyone- was issuing research reports saying Muni’s were the place to be in ‘08!
Not 6 weeks in, they were thoroughly corn-holed. Nor am I making ‘my’ case prop’d up by “it’s different this time”. I’m only saying that we’re in such uncharted waters, making a case for flight to qual. may not be as straightforward as it’s been in the past.
You’ve got to admit that without the PPT backing off on operations to keep the wafer thin market buoyed up that this bond buying by the fed would have cause further increases in rates.
Instead, market down = flight to quality = supressed rates.
Dude — I think you’ve got it. To complete the chain, the PPT pumps money in to the stock market, which sucks in some new suckers, who become fodder for the next leg down in the market to spur a flight-to-quality into bonds. Lather, rinse, repeat…
We all know we’re in a race to the bottom, or at the very least, a global brotherhood of misery.
It’s not where we are headed that matters to me, it’s how we will get there and on what timetable.
I am not particularly religious, but the green shoots thing makes me thing of the parable of the sower. These green shoots have no depth of earth and will be scorched quickly.
We need something massive in terms of Obama intervention, but he seems to think there is still something to fund his social agenda with. I would like to see a project where over the next decade we place solar panels on every roof of every building and outhouse in America. At the end of it lots of people would have jobs and we would be largely energy independent.
Anyway, I am firmly in the massive COMING economic collapse. What we have seen so far is the first in a tsunami train.
Essentially in psuedo math it will go like this :
Unemployment will continue to rise causing ever greater debt defaults in consumer card, auto and home loan debt. In the short term the Fed will cover these losses with not too much problems.
As consumer debt defaults increase credit will naturally continue to tighten, spending will decrease and more layoffs will ensue.
More importantly, our small businesses are failing at the rate combined of a GM a week. The debt defaults here are much larger and are placing ever greater strain on the massive commercial real estate markets, causing not only much large bankruptcies here (and of course layoffs) but also enormous debt defaults in the commercial sector. This has already caused commercial credit to tighten considerably, driving many smaller business under more quickly than would have been the case. More layoffs will ensue and more consumer debt will be defaulted on.
All told I am to understand the govt will need to pay some 62 trillion dollars to settle all the debts govt, consumer and business to bring this matter to a close.
This IS the deflation end to our economy unless drastic and fast action is taken to get cash in a big way into the hands of individuals. I mean tens of thousands of dollars each to help offset the losses each of us has suffered to off shoring pressures.
BTW, I like the ajax spell checker Ben!! This rocks over having to cut and paste into word.
Thanks PB, I see your point of there being more than just a cyclical or secular aspect to the market. We’ve moved beyond those to a structural failure that can’t be compared to normal fluctuations.
Correct PB, the world wide financial system did, indeed, collapse and remains that way at the present time.
Without current government “interference” by all the world’s governments, we would be in the middle of WW3 right now as well as coup d’eta in several nations.
Yes, it is that bad. I find most people’s complaints about government interference similar to the family that just escaped from the burning house with their lives bitching that the firemen couldn’t save the damn furniture and acted irresponsibly in preventing the family from trying to save it themselves.
I’m not happy with the ways things are, but I’ll take it over WW3 any day.
Great comments — thanks!
I was just struck by the oddness of the fact that a piece of paper with a number and Hank Paulson’s signature, is accepted as legal tender.
I’m absolutely not a gold bug, don’t own any gold, but the absurdity just struck me.
OK, so now fathom what it meant last fall when the Congress announced that they agreed with HP’s plan to funnel $700 bn in (presumtively) tax dollars into the Wall Street rescue. I don’t think they needed to print any paper with Big Hank’s John Hancock ascribed thereto in order to pull that off, do you? So what exactly is that $700 bn, and where are they hiding it???
Your analogy almost works. Difference is…the firemen (government) were the one’s that set the house on fire.
I’m a bit offended that no one said good morning back to me.
Didn’t y’all have you coffee or diet coke this morning?
Good morning!
Ya minatory grump.
(it’s 5:30 PNW time right now, but I won’t let that stand in the way of my good morning wishes.)
You know me too well.
Good evening, dude. Nope, I can’t handle caffeine since I still use (a little) nicotine and won’t burden my liver w/ two poisons
Good morning, dudle.
oh heck…i still rent and I am the best
You most certainly are. The best that is. And a renter.
Me too, I am a renter and the best.
Join us now won’t you for another espisode of HBB Positive Affirmations.
That is funny. Thanks for the smirk.
Sense of humor and going in for knee surgery - that shows character for sure!
I am almost the worst. But I still rent and wear an HBB teeshirt.
After reading this story, I am not sure whether to laugh or cry. Seems that every free-spending, no-planning/no-saving person is being bailed out and us savers are being rewarded with the bill:
By DAVID STREITFELD
Published: June 15, 2009
The banks were bailed out last fall, the automobile companies last winter. For Edward McClelland, a writer in Chicago, deliverance finally arrived a few days ago.
Mr. McClelland’s credit card company was calling yet again, wondering when it could expect the next installment on his delinquent account. He proposed paying half of his $5,486 balance and calling the matter even.
It’s a deal, the account representative immediately said, not even bothering to check with a supervisor.
As they confront unprecedented numbers of troubled customers, credit card companies are increasingly doing something they have historically scorned: settling delinquent accounts for substantially less than the amount owed.
The practice started last fall as the economy worsened. But in recent months, with unemployment topping 9 percent and more people having trouble paying their bills, experts say this approach has risen drastically.
They say many credit card issuers have revised internal guidelines to give front-line employees the power to cut deals with consumers. The workers do not even have to wait for customers to call and ask for a break.
“Now it’s the card company calling you and saying, ‘Let’s talk turkey,’ ” said David Robertson, publisher of the credit industry journal The Nilson Report.
He’s not getting bailed. The CC company is making a cold-blooded decision.
There’s nothing wrong here. Don’t confuse morality with money and contracts.
I am surprised you said that. He is getting bailed out, by the rest of us who pays on time and in full. Any money the CC lose from people like this is subsidized by the rest. I agree CC company is doing what it has to do, but still. It is wrong not to pay people what you owe contractually and legally, even if you cry poor and the other party then agrees to cut the amount you owe as a result of wanting some money back. It’s business, but still doesn’t make it right.
You can do the same if you like.
He is most emphatically not getting bailed out. The bondholders who bought that are taking it up the ying-yang. Serves them right too!
Nope, it’s a contract. The terms of the contract are what they are. He’s making a business decision and so are they. There is no more morality than what the contract says.
“You can do the same if you like.”
The same goes for anyone who thinks bailouts are unfair. If you are in this group, then join forces with some bailout-worthy entities and get in on the gravy train.
It’s not a question if I would like to follow in this guy’s footstep, I wouldn’t (been a 40% saver all my life). The bondholder aren’t taking it up the ying-yang UNLESS the bond is defaulted by the CC company in either coupon or principal payment in a bankruptcy or some other credit-related restructuring, otherwise it is made whole come maturity.
I call it a bailout because he paid back 50% of what he took out and suffered no real consequence (he was already delinquent so his credit is already shot, but he avoided further credit erosion by not having to declare bankruptcy in order to wipe out/settle-for-less-than-owed on his bill).
he paid back 50% of what he took out
Conveniently ignoring the oodles of interest he paid on the loan.
I’ll wager they made a handsome bundle even after the reduction which is precisely why they left the decision-making in the hand of the a lowly phone-answering meat-robot!
he paid back 50% of what he took out
Conveniently ignoring the oodles of interest he paid on the loan.
I’ll wager they made a handsome bundle even after the reduction which is precisely why they left the decision-making in the hand of the a lowly phone-answering meat-robot!
LOL - yep.
“The percentage you’re paying is too high-priced
While you’re living beyond all your means.
And the man in the suit just bought a new car
From the profit he made on your greens…”
Steve Winwood ?
>Conveniently ignoring the oodles of interest he paid on the loan.
Interest is the coupon, repayment of principal is something else. I do not know what % of that total amount owed is the original principal and what % is the accumulated interest/penalty, the story doesn’t say so. If he was delinquent for a couple years, accumulated interest and penalty may well be over 50% of that total amount; if it is for a few months, probably not.
Exactly.
Cougar, he may owe over $5K on the account, but he was probably accruing interest and penalties at a substantial clip - he certainly has been since he became delinquent in any way - and the cost of capital to the credit card company (if you assume that they actually still own the debt) is very very small. Paying back half the debt cuts into their preferred level of profits on this account, but there is little chance that it puts them in the red. And honestly, what do they care if it does? We may have reached the point where cutting future risk is way more valuable to them than the difference between a small profit and a small loss on a particular account.
If the debt was securitized and sold then you have no idea where the losses go because to know that you have to know how many other accounts in the same package have gone delinquent.
The fact that the cc companies are negotiating with delinquent borrowers like this may mean that servicing contracts they have with the securitizers and/or bond holders have been modified. That would mean a serious attitude adjustment on the part of the bond holders or those protecting their interests. I’d love to know if this has really happened.
lowly phone-answering meat-robot
That is the funniest thing I have heard in a while…
Steve Winwood ?
Yep - with Traffic. Excellent tune.
He’s on tour with Eric Clapton at the moment.
Wow, the more things change huh? I think the big difference is that, -before- musicians of this caliber, there really weren’t “superstars” and they were entertainers -before- they were celebrities.
According to “dad”, Sinatra “went far with nothing”.
( ducks )
The perfect example of how the CC company made out OK is my story (already told on this board a few times) of how my one and only short-sale situation was resolved by my telling the borrowers, OK, you can settle for less than the principal you owe me, but I’m going to impute it to unpaid interest. That is, I retroactively reduced their interest rate to zero for the preceding year and a half, and that took care of the entire principal shortfall. They had been paying me 10% interest for maybe six years, and the note had been amortizing (so the amount on which 1.5 years interest were forgiven was smaller than any of the amts on which the 10% had been paid).
This guy will lose his credit card and take a major hit to his credit rating, which in turn could trigger other problems with any other money he owes. As such, I wouldn’t call it a bailout.
I’m also dubious about other paying customers picking up the tab. If a credit card company tries to increase my cost of using their product, I’m gone.
This could, however, be the precursor to a government bailout, since as we all know the economy can’t survive without credit cards.
“I’m also dubious about other paying customers picking up the tab.”
As you should be. The $$$$ made by these thugs is breathtaking. Squealing such as “I have to pick up the tab” is nothing more than pseudo-victim screeching.
> As you should be. The $$$$ made by these thugs is breathtaking. Squealing such as “I have to pick up the tab” is nothing more than pseudo-victim screeching.
Until which time it is considered “too big to fail” and the taxpayers pick up the tab.
How much was your invoice for AIG?
It is buried within the fine print of my last 1040 payment, under “amount to be determined at a later time” section.
What your admitting but not saying is that you never got an invoice, nor will you ever.
Why the handwringing?
exeter,
Your logic is confusing me a bit. I don’t get a bill in the mail for military expeditionary forces, so does that means it doesn’t cost anything? There are still some oil producing countries that could use ’stabilising’, and since it doesn’t cost anything…
I’m not saying it doesn’t cost anything. What I am saying(I’m not that eloquent) that all of these additional costs(deficit spending) won’t result in a higher tax bill.
>What your admitting but not saying is that you never got an invoice, nor will you ever
You mean they break out each item on the Fed budget on my tax bill/invoice?
Obtuse quips don’t work.
I’m not saying it doesn’t cost anything. What I am saying(I’m not that eloquent) that all of these additional costs(deficit spending) won’t result in a higher tax bill.
You’re right it *may* not actually result in a higher tax bill. One way or another though you will pay for it - in taxes or in inflation.
“I’m not saying it doesn’t cost anything. What I am saying(I’m not that eloquent) that all of these additional costs(deficit spending) won’t result in a higher tax bill.”
Yes, spending more doesn’t result in higher bills. Makes perfect sense.
This guy will lose his credit card and take a major hit to his credit rating, which in turn could trigger other problems with any other money he owes. As such, I wouldn’t call it a bailout.
Exactly right, Al. This guy thinks he got off lucky, but there are opportunity costs in his future because he’s a financial sh!t.
Just another reason to switch to cash, eschew debt, and buy less.
Seems to me like it’s a big reason to run up a lot of CC debt instead.
Don’t let us stop you. Knock yourself out!
This meme comes up every few months. How many times do we have to say this?
Fiscal prudence = peace of mind. Isn’t that worth something too?
“Fiscal prudence = peace of mind. Isn’t that worth something too?”
I would dare say that is true for most of us here, but let’s face it, there are a lot of something-for-nothing types out there. Especially for those who are already on the edge of fiscal collapse. Could this be an explanation for the govts actions?
All I am saying is that if the actions of banks and politicians don’t sit well with people (savers) then those folks should exercise their currently enhanced ability to slow down the velocity of money.
there are a lot of something-for-nothing types out there
Nobody is denying this. But I don’t believe it helps any to dwell on it.
Have a beer or seven. Move on!
Have a beer or seven. Move on! ??
Your my kind of cat…:)
Beer 1-3: no change
Beer 4: vaguely considering I should run up my credit card to “stick it to the man”
Beer 5: starting to tell anyone who will listen how we should all “stick it to the man”
Beer 6: buying rounds for anyone who will listen about how I am “sticking it to the man”
Beer 7: moving on because my wife has come to haul me home, while she explains how, in this case, she’s the man
Beer 1-3: no change
Beer 4: vaguely considering I should run up my credit card to “stick it to the man”
Beer 5: starting to tell anyone who will listen how we should all “stick it to the man”
Beer 6: buying rounds for anyone who will listen about how I am “sticking it to the man”
Beer 7: moving on because my wife has come to haul me home, while she explains how, in this case, she’s the man
Hahahaaha! Freakin’ hilarious!
…oh, but what kind of beer? Details, man.
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-06-16 07:20:22
All I am saying is that if the actions of banks and politicians don’t sit well with people (savers) then those folks should exercise their currently enhanced ability to slow down the velocity of money.
Have to agree. The masses control this game.
Details,
Alexander Keiths (Nova Scotia beer), Capital One Master Card (no fee, cash back), friendly little pub, 1:15 AM past-last-call last call
“…then those folks should exercise their currently enhanced ability to slow down the velocity of money.”
If you are going to do your part in this by putting your money in a mattress, make sure it’s a new mattress.
Hmmm, I plead guilty to spending two bucks for a draft beer last night. So much for my slowing down the velocity of money.
Alexander Keiths (Nova Scotia beer), Capital One Master Card (no fee, cash back), friendly little pub, 1:15 AM past-last-call last call.
Thank you.
*takes note *
“Fiscal prudence = peace of mind. Isn’t that worth something too?”
That’s only true until hyperinflation destroys your savings and your economy.
It’s a taxable 1099 event. I just settled my parent’s debt, when my father recently died. My mother got 1099 for ALL the cc write offs.
Why didn’t she pay the cc bills?
Skip,
My father died of a rare form of Parkinson’s, so his care and expenses ate up my parent’s savings. It was a 5 year journey.I settled for .50 on the dollar on her credit card debts. My mother’s survivorship benefits were 50% of my father’s pension. My mother’s financial survival is more important to me than the cc companies.
“Why didn’t she pay the cc bills?”
Cheaper to pay the taxes per the 1099.
“were” s/b “are” 50%…
Kim-
You’re absolutely right.
Now that she’s single, the tax man is sticking it to her. Her EA had to sit her down, and brace her for what little she has, is taxed at a higher rate.
But those of us who pay our ballance every month aren’t paying* money to the CC companies. How can we be said to be funding their bailout? I tend to think of this as a sort of non-judicial bankruptcy. The CC company has decided that it is simply NEVER going to get all the money that this person has agreed to pay them. Blood from a stone. So they’ll settle for what they think that they can get out of him. Perhaps they’ll be a little more carefull of who (or at least how much) they’ll lend next time.
*except for that ~3% that they skim directly from the top of all purchases.
“I am surprised you said that. He is getting bailed out, by the rest of us who pays on time and in full.”
I pay on time and in full, and thereby never pay a cent of interest. In what way am I bailing this guy out?
I pay on time and in full, and thereby never pay a cent of interest. In what way am I bailing this guy out?
Presumably the money that the CC company loses on this guy, it’s going to make up somewhere. Whether it’s higher fees on the other customers, higher interest rate, or a higher % skim it takes on each transaction. It’s the last category that most of us would get hit on.
All the more reason to STOP USING CREDIT CARDS. There’s no reason banks should be involved in every day transactions. You’re helping fund them, and ultimately paying more for each purchase because you (the general you) and most everyone else use them for every transaction.
I pay on time and in full, and thereby never pay a cent of interest. In what way am I bailing this guy out?
Your taxes and inflation go towards the money given to these companies via the government bailouts and backstops. All the big credit card companies are receiving such support in some form or another, either directly through TARP etc. or indirectly through backstops (e.g. JPM Chase’s backstop of Bear Stearns, etc.), through counterparty bailouts like AIG, etc.
Presumably the money that the CC company loses on this guy, it’s going to make up somewhere.
We need to stop thinking of “Credit Card companies” as separate entities. For the most part they are banks - the same entities getting bailed out by the government:
JP Morgan Chase
Bank of America
Capital One
being some of the biggest.
The main exceptions being Discover and American Express, but those aren’t the worst offenders in terms of defaults.
Thus the place they’re making up these losses is bailouts paid for by taxes and inflation - i.e. by you and me.
I have been thinking more about that 3% off the top fee recently. If you put 99% of everything you buy on a credit card then you are essentially paying a 3% income tax to the banks.
Paying in cash means that walmart, best buy, the major food chain get to keep an extra 3%. Ultimately, unless you buy from local small business with cash you do not keep the money from flowing to the “big boys”.
I use cash to support small business and use credit card for connivence when dealing with “big business”. I also use credit card to insure against fraud of those I do not trust.
>I pay on time and in full, and thereby never pay a cent of interest. In what way am I bailing this guy out?
This thinking ONLY works if you believe CC companies do not adjust their business model based on who pays and who doesn’t and how much delinquency is out there. The more delinquency, the more likely they are to change their business model in a way that will effect you in a negative way one way or another, whether it be annual fees, less reward points/cash back, or higher merchant transaction fees. Even if you just use cash, merchants take into account the fact that a large # of consumers use plastic and they have to pay a fee to the CC company and adjust their prices accordingly.
Large # of delinquent consumer accounts in a consumer-based economy do not occur in a vacuum and thus no impact on other people. Take this into account when you consider this story.
“The more delinquency, the more likely they are to change their business model in a way that will effect you in a negative way…”
If they change their model in a way that could affect me in a negative way, I walk. Nil impact. Any major changes to their business models could potentially kill their business. They had one of the simplest business models to make big profits, but they blew it by taking too many risks.
>If they change their model in a way that could affect me in a negative way, I walk. Nil impact.
You didn’t read all of my comments…..
If you put 99% of everything you buy on a credit card then you are essentially paying a 3% income tax to the banks.
No, it means that the merchants are raising their prices by 3% to offset the fees charged for credit-card processing transactions… Merchants that aren’t “Mom and Pop” don’t have a cash discount, so you pay the same price regardless. Where this get’s interesting is with the advent of “cash-back” and “rewards” cards where you essentially get a portion of that 3% fee back.
As a rational player in this game, I go for the cash back and perform as many transactions as possible with my Amex. The effective cost of my monthly float (since it’s paid off in full each month) is probably around 1% whereas cash buyers have no float and are paying 2% more for the same service/merchandise as me. The banks have created an environment where the masses pay substantially more in aggregate because they don’t understand the rules, while I benefit from my knowledge of the system and competition for customer loyalty.
“You didn’t read all of my comments…..”
I did, but didn’t respond to all. You’re assuming that the CC companies are going to make their profit, one way or another. They can’t if customers don’t use their product, and their losses will increase. The risk for the CC companies is extreme right now. If they think defaults are hurting them, imagine no one using them because their customer base is pissed. Even a relatively hidden method of increasing their 3% is likely to cause a backlash. Also, unless all CC companies make the same changes then customer movement will kill off the weak ones.
We can pay via bailouts, but it is unlikely they can accomplish much with changes to their business plan.
Correct Northeaster.
It’s actually the people who pay cash that are screwed and taxed the extra 1-3%.
Merchants almost always - by contract - charge the same for cash and credit, and as you say charge more than they otherwise would due to the credit card fees, in return for the additional business they get by making things more convenient to CC holders (i.e. the majority of people).
The difference for cash payers vs. CC payers is that people who pay with CC can get a significant portion of that 1-3% back, in cash-back programs, whereas people who pay cash cannot get this back. I got about $700 cash back last year in fact, from my AMEX blue card. We pay for as much as we can on this card, including some utility bills.
In reality of course it’s not quite that black-and-white. Even though *some* CC users (like me) come out ahead - others that don’t use cash-back programs or that carry balances and pay insane interest rates can come out way behind.
Play victims if you will, but we pay off our credit cards in full each month and get 1 to 3% rebate on every purchase. Directly connected to our checking account , which also has direct deposit. Great way to run a household -
And when the CC company needs to be bailed out it will go to the Government, who will just create the money by magic.
I have to wonder about the entire story here. Let’s say, the guy earned around $15k per year and they gave him a $50 credit limit. The bank got what they deserve.
Yes, it’s our responsibility to borrow credit wisely, but how stupid were the banks for giving credit cards to students, non working people, and those who could obviously not afford it?
If this guy has $2700 sitting around, why the h*ll isn’t he paying his credit card bills? What a freakin’ scumbag.
Maybe $2700 is the other credit card’s limit.
Speaking of credit cards, I have been informed by the hospital that I need to bring a photo ID, my insurance card and a credit card to the hosptial the morning of my surgery. They did not specify how much “space” I need to have available on the card.
I was a little upset about this when I was first told, figuring that they should really submit the charges to the insurance, wait for their reimbursement and then bill me for the difference. I think I am a little less upset now. After all, if they operate on the wrong knee, I can dispute the charges with the cc company. I think that would be kind of fun….
OK. Maybe not “fun” but in a very theoretical sense, I would like to know what would happen if the hospital had to get into a fight with USAA or Am Ex over them claiming the provided “a” knee surgery and the cc company telling them they didn’t provide the “requested” or “contracted for” knee surgery.
And I suspect that they will wait until the insurance reimburses them before charging my credit card for the balance. I think they just want to have the info available so they don’t have to wait for me to respond to a bill before they get the balance.
polly,
This is a real issue w/ me. ‘Somewhere’ when you are processing through “Admissions” you will sign a document that emphatically states that anything ( and I do mean anything ) your insurance doesn’t cover, YOU are p-e-r-s-o-n-a-l-l-y liable for.
In other words, it’s a blank check. So tired of this. Take care and get well soon.
I agree DinOR. We have Kaiser, and the admission forms for day surgery were quite intrusive. Our premium is $900/mo for 2 healthy adults on an individual plan.Nuff said. What, that isn’t enough! And don’t get me started on Binding Arbitration…
awaiting wipeout,
Firstly, sorry to hear about your dad. The end game is never pretty. Going through a like circumstance w/ mom right now. I’ve no doubt this will involve a lein before it’s all over?
$900 a month is outrageous. That’s TWICE what my first house… payment was! Btw, try getting them to so much as take your temperature ‘without’ signing their damn form. What we need to focus on as patients is… “the number of those admitted where add’l expenses are NOT an issue?”!
How about Zero. If ‘that’ isn’t incriminating enough, I don’t know what is?
Dinor,
My heart aches for you going through your mom’s illness. I know what its like, and you can’t fix it. Let alone watching your parent slip away, but knowing you’re doing your best. Does your state have good senior centers funded by the counties? I got help with legal ($10/ 1/2 hr), drug interactions (Drug Reps/Nurses gave info), and P/Tcaregivers picked up by Medicaid. I know a lot about end of life issues, unfortunately. I guess its a fact of life. You have your life, and now you are your mother’s son.
My pos mother told my father to hurry up and die. It was cramping her style. She was his caregiver, but to verbalize something like that is evil.
You’re a gov’t employee and they’re demanding you bring a credit card? Your insurance should be about the best in existence!
Your insurance should be about the best in existence!
While that’s true, doesn’t that disturb you a bit? Should our gov’t employees have the BEST pensions/retirement plan and the BEST insurance?
Personally, I think that’s indicative of a problem (nothing against you Polly, just the system)
Good luck with the surgery, btw. Make sure they sign the correct leg/knee before they put you under (how they made sure they operated on the correct thumb for me, at least)
Federal Employee Blue Cross/Blue Shield, and I got the “standard” plan which is more expensive than the “basic” one. We pay about 25% of the premiums, though I think it is a slighly lower percent if you go with the HMO.
Doesn’t matter. The command was to bring the credit card. I wonder what they would have said if I asked how much available credit it had to have on it?
I hope that I have enough in my flex spending account to cover what the insurance doesn’t pay, though my dentist got some of that already this year. But that reimbursement comes to me, not to the provider.
Drumminj,
Federal employees most emphatically do NOT have the best retirement plans. Remember, when federal employee unions negotiate for benefits they are facing the government of the United States of America across the table. That ain’t some two bit town manager from nowhere or a state official desperate to save money NOW and who cares about the costs 20 years out.
Pension is 1% per year of last year’s pay per year of serivce up to a maximum of 40% for 40 years or more of employment. Last year’s pay is on base plus location adjustment but NO overtime, bonuses, or any other compensation is included. And we pay into that system, though I don’t know what percent of the total contribution our part is. There is a 401(k) too with very limited choices.
Health insurance is pretty good, but we pay a good chunk of the premiums for that too. Dental and eyecare is only very recent and we pay 100% of the premiums for those. No paid maternity/paternity leave at all. Vacation is much better than average for non-professional employees, but less than I experienced as an attorney for law firms and a multinational corportation.
I’m not complaining. I made my choice, and I like it. But the feds didn’t give away the farm on future costs the way the states and municipalities did. They just didn’t.
Point taken, Polly. I know you’ve explained that before - I let it slip my mind. With all the info kicked around about CA state pensions, etc, I lumped them all together.
Mea culpa.
No offense. I figure it bears repeating every once in a while.
The real issue is do we actually have “gold plated” health insurance. I don’t know. I really don’t. I don’t use my health insurance all that much so it is hard for me to compare this coverage to other plans I have had. I know that when I called for an appointment for an MRI for my knee it was the day before Christmas eve and the receptionist at the imaging center was audibly relieved to hear who my insurer was. I guess she figured it wasn’t going to involve a fight to get the procedure pre-approved. I don’t have to go through a primary care person to go to specialists, but that is the rule for most PPOs, isn’t it? I have a $20 co-pay for all in network office visits. That isn’t bad but is it gold-plated? I think I pay about 20% of the contract rate on other in network services and my recollection is 80/20 is a pretty standard split.
My guess is this particular plan has the oomph to get pretty good contract rates for most services, and there is the rub - lots of participants means power to get a lower cost. If the docs refused to take the federal employee insurance plans, they would lose a lot of potential patients. You can still rack up quite a bill - even if you are only paying 20% - if you have to pay the original rate the doctor or hospital would charge a non-insured person off the street. It is called the “chargemaster” amount and they are outrageous.
Polly-
My father was an employee of the Federal Govt. and was grandfathered into the benefits before Reagan raped them. (I’m an ex-repuke-it’s a fact). When my father died, his pension was reduced to 50% of his monthly benefit for his widow. My mother’s medical is a great deal at $103/mo.
I had a run in on a rather large ER bill with a Blue… I consulted with an Attorney, who told me how to get them to pay it. You’ll be glad you went to Law School, should they pull the same cr*p on you.
Awaiting wipeout, it makes me sad to think about your family’s long battle with your dad’s Parkinson’s disease. That sort of debilitating illness can drain the coffers, as you know.
Yesterday I met with my financial advisor. In going over projections for the future, she said that the last 3 years of life are usually the most expensive, due to medical costs.
Why did they try to get out of the ER bill? I guess that ER bills are the easiest for them to protest because of the nebulous definition of an emergency.
My brother told me one of the worst insurance refusal stories I ever heard. In grad school, one of his friends had a compound fracture of the femur. Yes, I said compound fracture - the ends of the bone were sticking out through her skin. The people she was with called an ambulance to take her to the hospital. The student plan refused to pay for the ambulance. Said she should have gotten herself to the hospital without professional help.
Outrageous.
Which copays and what percentages for which procedures is all a distraction from the fact that when you really need your coverage most, changes are the insurance company will find a way to deny your treatment. They are in the business of denying treatment, that’s how they profit.
Renter,
You know, I think you may have put your finger on the exact issue. Federal employees have a huge list of insurance plans they can pick from. The choice is so huge it is overwhelming. Some are more expensive, some are a little less. Some include more preventative care, some have more doctors in their network. Open season is for a few weeks once a year. If one particular company started denying claims all over the place, they would find themselves sans participants and sans premiums pretty darn quickly. People who work for private companies have less choice and may have to wait for the company to switch providers in order to change. And people out in the open market may not be able to find two companies or even one that will take them.
The system is broken.
Make sure that they mark the correct knee before you go to sleep, and that at least three people verify the site with you. An error is unacceptable.
So funny you should bring this up on a day when a furniture store 40 miles away sent me a delivery man with a recliner I bought yesterday, only it was the wrong chair. (They were very nice about agreeing to take it back and bring the right one.) TG this was NOT a joint or organ replacement.
Fine. Cancel the card when you come out of sedation.
Hey, I’m a writer too. (Okay, I’m a part-time writer. It doesn’t pay enough for me to do it fulltime.)
And I may not be in the enlightened city of Chicago, but I do know enough to pay off my credit card balance every month.
So call me a deadbeat part-time writer.
The concept of being a “deadbeat” because one always pays on time, in full, is both hilarious and infuriating.
I plan to one-better the definition of “deadbeat,” by voting with my feet the minute a credit card issuer tries to tag us with an annual fee. I only take credit offers when they give me free sh!t for paying off the bill every month.
“every free-spending, no-planning/no-saving person is being bailed out and us savers are being rewarded with the bill”
This helps us. This debt monkey will no longer be competing with you and me for the finer things in life, his loose credit against our hard earnings. Savers win, and it’s been a long time waiting.
I’m no good at posting links, but I read the following article on MSN this morning if you’re interested in searching for it.
This recession is SO fabulous! By Kim Peterson
The comments are hilarious!
This recession is SO fabulous! By Kim Peterson
On the one hand that article is breathtakingly narcissistic. On the other hand, a little smacking of the buy-now-pay-later society can only do them a world of good.
Schadenfreude is one of the great glories of life. Don’t just p*ss all over them, p*ss all over them after drinking a fine bottle of wine!
Don’t just p*ss all over them, p*ss all over them after drinking a fine bottle of wine!
I do believe I’m gonna cross-stitch that phrase out prettily and hang it on my kitchen wall. It can go under the cat clock with the ticking tail and next to the sampler of darling bunnies in bibs.
Good morning everyone from Afghanistan!
I see housing starts surged 17% and people are asking for building permits. I hope these would be for entry level homes and not multi billion dollar homes. I wonder where these “housing starts” are?
Hi there, and stay safe.
Just a heads up, as what you are seeing is not real. The 17% uptick is a month over month change that is mostly meaningless, as most people build in the summer, so it is normal to see more construction activity in May than April. The real measure should be year over year, and that is down 45.2%. But as long as builders keep on building, they will just add to an already saturated market, and prices will keep on dropping.
But wouldnt these be “paid” for starts, as in houses that the borrower has already gotten a loan for? That could be good news, sort of…..It may not be empty homes that builders have to sell cold..
Also, when the numbers are so small, any little uptick will look good. Since the number is 45% lower than last year, it won’t take much to produce an uptick that big.
I was wondering where those housing starts are too.Is it in north dakota?
Turns out the big increase is in multi-family. But ALSO it turns out that a lot of the new housing is [get a load of this] being built ON SPEC, because it’s easier to sell a house the buyer can look at. Jeebus! as some HBBer taught me to say.
17% is meaningless because it’s month-over-month, and is 17% over an incredibly low number. Right now housing starts are incredibly low, and just bouncing along a bottom.
Here’s some perspective
It’s kind of like if you got laid off from your 100k a year job, and took a temporary job at 20k a year, then were announcing to everyone your big success of getting a 3k pay raise. Big whups.
Keep in mind also that there were two big drivers, both of which are new and thus temporary in their effects:
- 8k tax incentive
- Extremely low interest rates
Unless some more massive QE happens, the latter is going bye-bye, so starts will continue on their low level, and may even hit a new bottom soon.
My city has seen a noticeable increase in new sf housing permits in the last two months. Far lower than what has been “normal”, but nonetheless an increase from the past few months. I’m hearing that buyers are taking the tax credits, low interest rates and signs of “green shoots” as being the best time in history to buy. We’ll see how long it lasts.
What’s really interesting about the tax credits and low interest rates IMHO is that these incentives are stealing future demand.
When interest rates start increasing and the tax incentives disappear, watch out beellloooooooowwwwww.
Prepaid College Funds:
My wife and I are big on education. We have “done without” all the useless and costly frills and stupidity so that our children can be well-educated. We acquired this from our families and our own experiences. We brought these values into our marriage. Note: My wife is from a large New Orleans family. She has 5 siblings all of whom possess an undergrad degree and several have advanced degrees.
So, I have been worrying for several years on the health and dependability of the Florida Prepaid College Plan. I cannot really find anything that tells me what my risk is. We have the plan paid off and are currently ready to roll when my two boys are college age. They could attend under this plan right now except that my eldest is 3 years away from graduating high school.
Is the plan healthy? Any info would be appreciated. I realize that there isn’t anything I can do about it anyway, but knowing my risks will certainly help me plan for the future.
Roidy
Do the states actually invest the money in the college plans? I thought they just paid it out of future revenues?
Does the state actually get posession of the money? I thought it went to a consortium of colleges. It probably still gets invested somehow, but the consortium guarantees an education, regardless of investment performance.
You might get more info at savingforcollege dot com.
Here in Oregon, the money is invested by a
group (I think) appointed by the governor.
The fund lost over 40% of its value in the last
two years and is now being sued by angry parents who were relying on the funds for their
kids education…. I think their was a tax break
on this also…not sure.
I think that is a different program. Sounds like a 529 plan.
I would worry about any circumstance in which you give money to a government now with a promise of something later.
The usual MO is for today’s senior citizens to seize the money you give them and spend it on themselves, leaving an IOU in its place.
Roidy, Crist denied access to the funds, but the fact that it even came up this year is disturbing.
I didn’t know you’re in Florida.
I used to live in Tampa. I liked it until it went crazy. I moved to N. Louisiana. No beach
and very rural, but far less traffic and crowding.
Colder winter. Lower cost of living. Jobs are harder to find. So it has good and bad. Like anywhere.
Now, what do you mean that Christ denied access to the funds? Does this mean I can’t send my kids to school on the program? BTW, the Fla plan is widely applicable. Its not just for Fla. schools.
Roidy
Sorry for the confusion, I meant “denied access to lawmakers who wanted to get in on it…”
tampabay.com/news/politics/legislature/article982943.ece
Hi Muggy, I did let it ride today (that put on the Dow)
FWI, you folks are going to have to hold down the blog-fort for a while, I am swamped with foreclosure work and will be checking in as often as possible out in the field.
Ooh ooh we can go OT and nobody to monitor us….
Don’t be silly. And as if you guys don’t go OT all the time anyway…
Hey, I resemble that remark!
Yeah! Base slander from The Boss! Every single comment from everyone is TOTALLY germane, all the time! Especially me! In fact, my new sign in name should be ‘Princess Pertinent’!
*falls off chair laughing *
No Ben, I’m sure you INTENDED the blog as a forum on geoducks, right?
Ooh ooh we can go OT and nobody to monitor us….
I’m gonna go all potty-mouth. Just watch me. Or is that potty-keyboard?
*starts searching for Ben’s liquor cabinet*
LOL, if Ben is like my dad, he either marked the bottles or will play Jedi mind tricks by telling me he did when he gets home.
HINT: Blank stares double as a guilty plea.
Never mark - a sign of weakness!
Is there some sort of Starbucks index? After less then x number of Starbucks, your town is no long viable?
DETROIT — They call this the Motor City, but you have to leave town to buy a Chrysler or a Jeep.
Borders Inc. was founded 40 miles away, but the only one of the chain’s bookstores here closed this month. And Starbucks Corp., famous for saturating U.S. cities with its storefronts, has only four left in this city of 900,000 after closures last summer.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124510185111216455.html
Starbucks = yuppy locusts. Look for green shoots to sprout up wherever Starbucks moves, and for green shoots to die off in places they abandon.
PB,
Interesting angle. Motor City aside, Realtwhores never failed to mention proximity to a Starbucks as a “selling point” on the upswing. Could it become the perfect contrarian indicator on the way down? Just curious.
Isn’t Starbucks a good place to search internet job boards on Wifi? I guess it isn’t any good for the company unless they actually order something, but they could at least look busy up until the moment they are closed.
A homeless guy sitting along the edge of Farragut Park yelled, “I can’t afford to go to Starbucks,” at a woman walking ahead of me with one of their larger cups, as I was walking from the Metro to the office yesterday.
Look for green shoots to sprout up wherever Starbucks moves, and for green shoots to die off in places they abandon.
It’s true. I don’t drink the coffee from Starbucks, but I often get a bucket of the spent grounds, and even more buckets of grounds from the little stand down by the market, which I mix into compost with kitchen and yards scraps and chicken poo, and you cannot believe how green-shooty my garden is. When I got here the first year I saw ONE worm. Yes, really! And it was a puny little enervated worm, that a robin would have spurned. The soil was all nasty and sour and hard. It was like that cursed Indian graveyard in ‘Pet Sematary’, except the ground was SO hard and dry that cursed zombie pets and toddlers couldn’t even dig their way out and come torment me.
Nowadays? Shoots, the delicious, dark, pretty, chocolate cake-like soil buckles and trembles under the weight and mass of my mighty heaving earthworms! They’re so big and robust they could wrestle a goat! Two goats, plus a wombat! They often come bang on the door and demand a beer, and I’m so scared and respectful that I quickly get them one!
Majestic! Glorious! That’s the only word for the wonderful, happy worms of Chez Olympiagal’s!
…Okay, I gotta calm down and breathe through my nose for a bit. Although it wasn’t Starbucks, but only some bizarro brand from the Grotlet, I can see I’ve had toooooo much coffee.
I’m jealous, Oly. My chickens would go crazy over those worms. I live in NYC in an old converted warehouse building, and while space is extremely plentiful, I have no dirt at my disposal. Just concrete. I use this concrete well, mind you, with large smart pots with shrubs out in back of the building (elderberries, sea berry, gooseberry, etc.) and a garden on the roof using self-watering containers. But, alas, no real dirt. My chickens would love to peck in some real dirt. At the camp I went to when I was little, they used an old bath tub filled with pure compost to raise worms for fishing bait. They worked in new compost from time to time to make sure there was enough organic matter. I’ve thought about doing something like that to give my chickadees a good source of protein. I don’t like feeding them soy, and it’s hard to find a good mash at a reasonable price that has enough protein and doesn’t include soy.
Anyway, extremely OT, but I feel like I have to take advantage while Ben is away.
Anyway, extremely OT, but I feel like I have to take advantage while Ben is away.
Heavens, no! Worms are completely on-topic anyplace, anytime.
Back me up on this, HBBers.
Anyway, where you live sounds very neat-o, and I, for one, and I’m sure I’m not alone in this, would love to hear more about your digs.
But yes, it is true, chickens are mad for worms and grubs.
I just had a good idea. Maybe you ought to channel your summer youth camp experiences and get an old bathtub and fill it with compost, next to your large smart pots. Properly done, and with a cap of duff and leaves, there would be no odors.
Then (this is the good part) you can have some sort of lottery for your chickens! And they can take turns leaping up and probing your bathtub for worms, while the rest of the chickens clap and exclaim!
You know, there’s nothing more satisfying to see than a happy chicken.
Dang, where’s my enthusiastic post? Prob’ly got blocked, because I said ‘g*r*ubs’ in it.
Good ideas, Oly. Very much in line with my thinking. Must have another discussion with the LL. He already thinks I’m nuts. But so long as the rent check comes on time every month, he puts up with it.
Technically, yes there is a Starbucks index. The “Places Rated” books, which compile the vital stats for all the metro areas in the US, lists “# of Starbucks” for each metro area.
I guess the ratio of Starbucks/population is a quick and dirty measure of how hippie/liberal/wealthy a particular area is.
If you’re in Detroit and have $6,000, you can buy a house or one large Starbucks coffee.
I can remember when Borders was a single store on State Street in Ann Arbor. I used to go in there and read, read, read without buying anything. (Hey, I was a college kid. Back then, I didn’t buy any books except textbooks.)
I wasn’t the only Ann Arborite who used Borders as a free library. In fact, I used to wonder how they stayed in business.
Lol, Slim, Ditto…
Good memories, Slim. My husband and I spent our “date” nights at Borders on State Street 34 years ago, after seeing $1 co-op movies at the MLB or Angell Hall.
I continue to believe that there is a fundamental mismatch between our belief in an economic model of continued growth forever and the world’s dwindling supplies of light, sweet crude.
China has now overtaken the U.S. in terms of units sold per month.
Soon, China will be up to a million units per month. Even if they are mini-cars, that’s a lot of additional fuel that must be obtained. Every month.
812,000 cars sold in May in China
I wonder when china is going to start selling their cars over here.americans will buy anything that is cheap.
Just google Chinese car crash test, and see for yourself what happens when they actually have to prove that something is safe.
These are death traps at any speed that make Eastern European cars like the yugo feel safe. There is no way that I would ride in any of them at this point.
This is exactly whats wrong with this country. No one is willing to take a risk. Since when is it mandatory to build a car, where in an accident you won’t get killed or injured. Prior to all this , “its someone elses fault mentality,” we had cars that were worth buying and driving. If safety is so important, why are the muscle cars of the sixties so cherished. Speed and power. Design and speciality. Cars today are nothing more than protective boxes..junk. Oh, yes, they have fancy names, but their still just boxes of junk.
When are people going to accept the fact, that when they wake up in the morning, there’s no guarantee, they’ll be alive by evening? Not wanting to take risks and using the legal system to assess the blame on someone else is what has destroyed this country.
Why does a car have to all this safety crap? It wasn’t the unions that destroyed the auto industry, it was the consumer. Seven air bags, harness seat belts, crumple steel, no frames, fire retardant materials, what a bunch of crap.
How much of the cost of a car is due to “safety”? I’ll take my 69 vette out on th road and the hell with safety. If China can produce a car for 3 grand, I’ll buy it. beats the hell out of paying 25 grand for the same crap with a padded box and gadgets.
Terry,
Not sure I’m in 100% agreement but I -will- say the Safety Features you point out are half the reason people drive like a-holes.
Why w/ air bags and anti-lock brakes, you don’t even need to LOOK where you’re going, let alone use standard seatbelts!
A study from a specialist in Eugene, OR ( of ALL places ) actually said the Hummer was the most efficient vehicle available. He based his findings on “total” impact. He noted that properly maintained, they can go 300k miles before scrapping is required. He noticed that when you consider the env. impact from mining LEAD for batteries in hybrids ( that are lucky to go 100k miles ) is infinitely greater.
Terry, my theory on safety standards, helmet laws, etc. is that every death is one less tax payer and one less pawn in the Ponzi scheme. Therefore the government does all it can to keep ‘em paying. Dead people cannot pay.

Oh, how can i count the ways…
But to take the easy one. In your universe, I would setup a hospital, an expensive organ transplant team, and an automobile factory that turned out 4 wheeled death traps, precisely tuned to appeal to the self preservation instincts of young males.
I would be very rich, and you would be very dead.
– w
Anyone here who wants to volunteer to buy a Chinese Deathtrap since it is “creative” or “capitalism in motion” be my guest. Just don’t whine when you get pasted by some nut in an SUV.
Safety features give the sane drivers a better chance to survive the stupidity of other people. Considering that human stupidity is always increasing, I think I’ll pass on the Deathtrap mobiles.
100 years ago people were saying that long-term economic growth of cities was impossible because streets would impassable due to piles of horse dung.
Well, they were close. DC, for example, is impossible due to piles of horse dung.
I heard on Bloomberg radio yesterday that natural gas is is being burned away because of a supply glut. Why haven’t, the PTB, pushed for cars to run on liquefied nat. gas? I believe it can be done with minimal gas engine modifications.
No, cant be done,
That would be too much like solving a problem..
You’d need to find a link for that - a google search turned up nothing for me. The outrcy would be incredible if that really happened.
It was an interview on Bloomberg radio, sorry no other info.
You can buy cars that run on CNG (Honda sells a version of the Accord if I remember correctly, but not that many of them).
Many transit authorities uses buses that run on CNG, so the technology is certainly there.
I remember the guvnor of Utah bragging on the nightly news about how his CNG powered Chevy Tahoe was cheap to operate at less than the equivalent of $1 a gallon so some politicians are on board already.
Maybe that guy from AT&T like CNG powered cars?
The Honda cng car requires a multistage pump at your home. This pump increases the pressure of the gas considerably to allow acceptable range. The pump costs several thousand dollars, runs on electricity and requires frequent, expensive scheduled rebuilds.
BTW, any gasoline engine can be converted to run on LPG, quite easily. LPG is old technology nothing new to spend money on.
I heard on Bloomberg radio yesterday that natural gas is is being burned away because of a supply glut. Why haven’t, the PTB, pushed for cars to run on liquefied nat. gas?
Exactly. It’s sad to hear all the excuses of why the U.S. can’t switch to LPG. But what I would say is this: 10 years ago, Bulgaria, one of the poorest and most corrupt countries in Europe, had no LPG infrastructure.
Three years ago, almost every gas station in the country was selling LPG.
Bulgarian mechanics are retrofitting LPG/gasoline systems in cars for under $1000. That’s right. In poor, backward Bulgaria, you can run your car on LPG or gasoline (it’s a switch on your dash), and refuel just about anywhere in the country. Here in the so called “best and most advanced country in the world,” we are still talk talk talking away, while nothing is done and energy companies reap obscene profits. I used to think we are turning into a has been nation. Now I know we are a has been nation. The fact that the technology exists, is profitable, is proven, and has been successfully rolled out in a crappy, under resourced little backwater country like Bulgaria and not here tells me that there are powerful forces working against any change in the energy status quo.
Thanks EOE. Between the gulf, canada, colorado, appalachian range and alaska we have plenty of natural gas. Why we’re banking on plug-in, fully electric vehicles , I have no idea.
My car runs on LPG and I never have any trouble finding a filling station. The conversion is cheap, the fuel is about 1/3 the cost of petrol and if done with a good system the mileage isnt that much different.
It doesnt seem to tough to set up a filling station with LPG, you just get a big @ss tank and a pump. Most places have a tank already for filling BBQ cylinders. Thats how it works down here in Aus anyway.. And people say Australia is behind the times LOL.
Don’t worry , Obama is forcing dealerships to scrap some trade ins. Upwards of 25 millions cars predicted to be scrapped. That gets us a couple more years /sarcasm
geez scrapped cars scrapped houses whats next…scraped jumbo jets?
scrapped auto plants?
Didn’t Ford do that in Fords NJ, sold the plant for srcap to the japs in order to build houses?
Calif. Aid Request Spurned By U.S.
Officials Push State To Repair Budget.
By David Cho, Brady Dennis and Karl Vick
Washington Post Staff Writers
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
The Obama administration has turned back pleas for emergency aid from one of the biggest remaining threats to the economy — the state of California.
Top state officials have gone hat in hand to the administration, armed with dire warnings of a fast-approaching “fiscal meltdown” caused by a budget shortfall. Concern has grown inside the White House in recent weeks as California’s fiscal condition has worsened, leading to high-level administration meetings. But federal officials are worried that a bailout of California would set off a cascade of demands from other states.
With an economy larger than Canada’s or Brazil’s, the state is too big to fail, California officials urge.
“This matters for the U.S., not just for California,” said U.S. Rep. Zoe Lofgren, who chairs the state’s Democratic congressional delegation. “I can’t speak for the president, but when you’ve got the 8th biggest economy in the world sitting as one of your 50 states, it’s hard to see how the country recovers if that state does not.”
The administration is worried that California will enact massive cuts to close its deficit, estimated at $24 billion for the fiscal year that begins July 1, aggravating the state’s recession and further dragging down the national economy.
After a series of meetings, Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner, top White House economists Lawrence Summers and Christina Romer, and other senior officials have decided that California could hold on a little longer and should get its budget in order rather than rely on a federal bailout.
These policymakers continue to watch the situation closely and do not rule out helping the state if its condition significantly deteriorates, a senior administration official said. But in that case, federal help would carry conditions to protect taxpayers and make similar requests for aid unattractive to other states, the official said. The official did not detail those conditions.
California is among several states that have asked for a bailout from the Treasury Department. A few have gotten some traction, notably Michigan, whose economy is among the country’s weakest and is struggling to deal with the fallout from the bankruptcies of General Motors and Chrysler. To stave off mass layoffs, Treasury officials are considering helping the state’s auto suppliers stay afloat and convert their businesses to support other industries.
California Controller John Chiang, a Democrat, warned last week that the state was “less than 50 days away from a meltdown of state government.”
While its fiscal crisis is severe, experts say the state is unlikely to default on what it owes, even if it runs out of cash. It can raise money through taxes and other means to assure repayment of its debt. Most likely are massive cuts in public services.
“After June 15th, every day of inaction jeopardizes our state’s solvency and our ability to pay schools and teachers and to keep hospitals and ERs open,” Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R) said Friday.
Problems unique to California have made it hard for the state to find a way out of its crisis.
“The Obama administration has turned back pleas for emergency aid from one of the biggest remaining threats to the economy — the state of California.”
Obama to California: DROP DEAD
California Citizens to State of California: DROP DEAD (no more taxes)
State of California to Citizens: DROP DEAD (No state govt for you without taxes)
This is a really great situation.
State of California to Citizens: DROP DEAD (No state govt for you without taxes)
What happens when no one notices?
What happens when no one notices?
Oh you will notice alright…Just give it some time…
I agree with Obama on telling California to drop dead. But I fear that the state of Arizona will be inundated with more self-absorbed twits from the formerly Golden State.
Attention Transplanted to AZ Twits: If I hear you say how much better things were in CA one more time, I’m gonna get irate. And I mean it!
Slim -
OT- saw your post last nite:
“Don’t write a check with your mouth that your butt can’t cash”
that’s what ahmtalkinabout
X-philly, next time I’m back in PA, let’s get together. The Slim family lives just over the Chesco line (in Westtown), which, I surmise, is quite close to where you are in Delco.
I used to work in Malvern and my commute was the loveliest a person could have, up through Westtown and Willistown to destination.
Sure, what’s your contact info, I’ll send you a line. When you’re back east, I’ll take you for a walking tour of newly trendy West Chester borough. Last time I was there I browsed a new boutique - an olive oil/balsamic vinegar bar. I believe that West Chester has arrived.
Slim contact info
OK thanks!
I admire you for sticking to your guns and staying employed as an artist come what may. (I recall you posting about not giving up during lean years). I’ve dropped out of the art scene, although I was working for the REIC in that capacity…during the boom.
“Obama to California: DROP DEAD”
Good! One of the very few things Obama has said or done that I can agree with!
If only he’d had the juevos to enact a similar policy with banks… but then again, banks have lobbyists and apparently CA does not.
So has somebody been reading my posts, or is this just a case of great minds thinking alike?
American Public Media
MarketPlace
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
Who’s responsible for California now?
California Gov. Schwarzenegger discusses budget
California is broke, and the federal government has rejected the Golden State’s bid for a bailout. So, what happens next? Bob Moon reports.
California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger speaks on the status of the state budget at the California Center for the Arts on June 12, 2009 in Escondido, Calif. (David McNew/Getty Images)
More on Domestic, America’s Financial Crisis
Kai Ryssdal: There was some news out of Washington today that brought to mind one of the more famous newspaper headlines from the 1970s. Talking about the Ford administration’s response to New York City’s budget problems back then, the Daily News went with “Ford to City: Drop Dead.” Now it’s California on the fiscal ropes. And the Obama administration is telling the state not to count on a federal bailout. Here’s our senior business correspondent Bob Moon.
Obama turned down Cali? This guy might be alright after all!
It can raise money through taxes and other means to assure repayment of its debt.
oooo, get ready cali taxpayers, grab your ankles!!
You think it will hurt that much.
“I’ll just put it in a little bit.”
She’s just a little bit pregnant.
Isn’t that playing “just the tip”, FPSS?
Yeah I was really depressed and surprised Obama won the election. But now I’m comfortable with Obama as Pres. Even though I certainly do not like the bailouts and higher spending than Shrub, Obama is more presidential, a better communicator, and almost as great as the “great communicator.” In other words, remove the Omamanomics and you have a great president. Plus, he’s socially liberal and does not push religion on us, which is important to me.
Besides, my taxes are very very low particularly from my use one of one of the same loopholes Congress uses - Congress is unlikely to get rid of those loopholes
Funny that I’m at once a Capitalist revolutionary and an Obama supporter!
Gee, someone who doesn’t pay taxes likes Obama. What are the odds.
sometimes social conservatives can have such a negative effect on me that I overlook the socialist tendencies in a social liberal. This year it’s been a major effect!
But…I will always vote for any candidate who agrees with the Libertarian Party principles and platform. I will never vote for an economic socialist. Just a disclaimer.
So he’s standing up to CA? So what? Meanwhile in DC, he’s bending over to the health insurance industry.
I’m no Obama supporter, but I have many friends who are (were?), and are disappointed, to put it mildly, that the guy is parroting the industry line that single payer health insurance is politically unacceptable after leading so many to believe he’d fight for it. Quite the reversal.
If there’s a public plan, just you watch. We’ll have de facto single payer within a few years.
And how will that happen?
It will happen because of self-employed people like me, who can’t wait to dump the crappy health “insurance” that they have now.
And I’ll betcha that there will be more than a few companies that will say, “We’re getting out of the health insurance business. Staff, there’s the public plan. Go join it.”
Then there are all of those people who don’t have insurance now. Don’t think that they’ll be eager to get signed up with the insurance companies.
It will happen because of self-employed people like me, who can’t wait to dump the crappy health “insurance” that they have now.
It could also lead to real green shoots as more people with great entrepreneurial skill and ideas may be tempted to forgo the benefit of employed insurance and start their own businesses.
I’m thrilled my kids will get to pay for it.
Bill,
You’ve mentioned this loophole several times - can you share more information?
Sorry Watching…If this loophole becomes too popular then we will lose it and I will have to go back to my lower middle class life of the 1990s. Again, anyone who evades taxes is a fool. Anyone who avoids taxes is a patriot.
Too bad that it is too late for him to turn down Wall Street and Detroit. But that’s OK, as what’s good for California is good for America.
“the state was less than 50 days away from a meltdown of state government”
Isn’t that what they said 50 days ago?
This is a bit like the housing market bottom, which is scheduled to remain one year ahead in perpetuity until the day the bottom actually arrives.
Personally I would love to see a constitutional convention in Ca, to fix some of the issues that got us here.
But lets not kid ourselves it would just become a Gay marriage issue.
Gay marriage + easy immigration, I would expect…
I can’t imagine it could get any easier for an illegal immigrant in CA.
It depends. I imagine that given what a whacky place California is, the more qualified for productive work an illegal immigrant happens to be, the harder it would be to find a foothold in the CA economy. By contrast, marginally qualified workers are welcomed with open arms and welfare offerings.
Exactly. One of the reasons our immigration system is so broken.
would love to see a constitutional convention ??
Only if they Don’t try to overturn prop#13….Our problem;
Spending on entitlements programs
illegal immigrants
Over staffed at every level of government
Over paid at every level of government
Benefits and pensions that are the envy of most
“The administration is worried that California will enact massive cuts to close its deficit, estimated at $24 billion for the fiscal year that begins July 1″
Illegal Immigration Costs California Over Ten Billion Annually
State’s “cheap labor” costs average household $1,183 a year
By Robert Longley, About.com
The City to publicize its status as sanctuary for illegal immigrants
Comments Feb 28, 2008 6:00 AM by Joshua Sabatini, The Examiner
San Francisco’s “sanctuary” policy for illegal immigrants, which has drawn sharp criticism from conservatives, will be promoted in an advertisement campaign complete with multilanguage brochures and radio and TV public service announcements.
The city-funded outreach campaign is expected to roll out this spring and build on San Francisco’s response to last year’s federal immigration raids, which city officials said scared undocumented immigrants into not accessing city services, reporting crimes or sending children to school.
City officials Wednesday were not able to provide The Examiner with a cost breakdown for the campaign.
“We have worked with the Board of Supervisors, Department of Public Health, labor and immigrant rights groups to create a city government-wide public awareness campaign so that immigrants know The City won’t target them for using city services,” said Nathan Ballard, Mayor Gavin Newsom’s spokesman.
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John says:
For those who have not had hispanic illegals moving into their neighborhood,I will describe my own experience. In ealy 2007,I began to notice bottles,cans,junk tires,clothes and paper trash strewn all over the ground around a nearby house. Hispanic children began running wild through the streets and yards. They tried to open doors and windows,including my own. They tried to open cars. There were so many spanish speaking adults and children living out the small house, it seemed like hundreds. Amid the trash and debris,there were diapers full of excrement. Illegals with back packs and water bottles would come down the street at night, to join the ones in the house. Debris are constantly in my yard,along with loose chickens. Car loads of very gang looking hispanic youths show up at all hours. Don’t accuse me of discrimination to dislike this situation.
Illegal Immigration Costs California Over Ten Billion Annually
State’s “cheap labor” costs average household $1,183 a year
By Robert Longley, About.com
Dateline: December, 2004
In hosting America’s largest population of illegal immigrants, California bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing, low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to Californians is $10.5 billion per year.
John, you can report that illegal immigrant drop house. Simply call 1-877-USBP-HELP.
Cue Joy Division.
We’ve lost control.
We can get it back.
Problems unique to California have made it hard for the state to find a way out of its crisis.
1) Princely salaries for state employees.
2) Millions of low paid illegal immigrants who know how to game the system to get as many welfare bennies as possible.
3) A fleeing middle class
Things are so bad in the Golden State that Disneyland can once again be very picky about who is hired for “on stage” (customer facing) “cast member” (employee) positions, as opposed to having to hire anyone with a pulse.
so obama turned back california and he let GM and chrysler go into bankruptcy. where are the conservatives who said that would never happen?
he let GM and chrysler go into bankruptcy
LOL at that one. What GM and Chrysler went into wasn’t anything resembling a normal bankruptcy. Obama took over the bulk of the company and handed the rest to his UAW block of voters and screwed most of the bondholders, pure and simple - a huge scandal swept under the rug.
Any true conservative would want GM and Chrysler liquidation - not anything resembling what happened.
California is still playing out. They’ve already gotten a huge chunk of stimulus funds, have they not? There’s only so much that an irresponsible parent can support an even-more-irresponsible child. Cutting off support doesn’t necessarily imply wisdom on the parent’s part.
I wonder if the coastal Democrats in California would vote to re-elect if funds don’t arrive.
I am supposing they would.
Hope, diversity, change and all that.
We need a new Oliver Stone movie. Or not.
Saw Stone speak one day, bashing the media. It was a hoot. “You ARE the media,” I said to myself.
Best Buy 1Q profit drops 15 percent
Best Buy 1st-quarter profit falls 15 pct over year-earlier period as shoppers cut back.
NEW YORK (AP) — Best Buy Co. Inc. reported Tuesday that its first-quarter profit fell 15 percent, even as its biggest competitor exited the market, as recession-weary shoppers cut back on items like appliances and digital cameras.
The results, however, beat Wall Street expectations, and the nation’s largest consumer electronics seller maintained its annual profit outlook.
Even so, shares fell $1.23, or 3.2 percent, to 37.43 in premarket trading.
Profit was $153 million, or 36 cents per share, in the quarter ended May 30. That compares with $179 million, or 43 cents per share, a year earlier as stimulus checks spurred spending.
Adjusted profit was 42 cents per share. Analysts surveyed by Thomson Reuters expected 34 cents per share.
Revenue rose 12 percent to $10.1 billion as it opened 185 new stores and gained some market share from the shuttered Circuit City Stores. The company said it had gained 2 percentage points of market share in the quarter and that its gains accelerated after the March 8 closing of Circuit City outlets across the U.S.
But clearly Best Buy is facing increasing pressure from Wal-Mart Stores Inc., the world’s largest retailer. Wal-Mart is aggressively expanding into higher-end TV and electronics with names like Sony and Dell to woo those orphan customers.
In fact, Best Buy’s same-store sales fell 6 percent and the stronger dollar hurt overseas results. Same-store sales, or sales at stores open at least a year, are a key measure of a retailer’s health because they measure sales at existing stores rather than newly opened ones.
Best Buy, however, is hoping that its service will help differentiate itself from discounters like Wal-Mart hoping to grab share left by Circuit City.
“Best Buy, however, is hoping that its service will help differentiate itself from discounters…”
Today’s electronics are disposable, why pay a penny more than you absolutely have to? This is a weak argument from BBY.
They do have some pretty knowledgeable people in their computer department, which does have value. Since they’re not on commission, you can actually put some trust in what they’re saying.
Only if you don’t know how to mosey over to newegg or something and read the comments and/or reviews on other sites.
I’ll grant you they serve a purpose to the “average” person. On the other hand, that “average” person is getting gobsmacked by overspending on gee-gaws in the first place.
My guess? They’re gonna have to shutter a lot of the marginal stores.
Oooh, I love new egg! I get all my DVD blanks from them. It’s about $35 bucks for 100, which pleases me, and would please me even more if I were to walk into a BestBuy and see what they charge. What DOES BestBuy charge, anyway? I don’t even know.
And neweggs product reviews are good.
Only buy DVD/CD’s that are on sale at BestBuy, otherwise they are overpriced….I prefer Verbatim or Sony brands, hardly any coasters ever…..
Yar! ‘Verbatim’ it is!
Please don’t trust the guys in the Best Buy computer department.
I’d have to think that Best Buy is in more trouble from people buying at Amazon (or other on-line Shoppes). As long as you can wait a couple of days for your new electronic gizmo, you’re going to save a ton of dough. Even more so in Cook County, no 10.25% tax for you, Mr. Stroger!
And same goes for Borders, Barnes & Noble, Etc.
For selfish reasons, I hope Best Buy promotes more of its employees to funemployment. Their new corporate campus ruined my neighborhood. I have to dodge multiple passive-aggressive Best Buy HQ employees on my way to the bus stop every morning.
WALMART will bury them, its already started….
Wow, if I had reluctance to buy something technical from BB, imagine what it will be like trying to get info froma WM employee? Good luck.
GM and Chrysler cars will soon be available at WalMart too. There is really no reason to shop anywhere else. Stop fighting it and become one of us…
It’s worth noting that this is despite BB’s one and only significant brick-and-mortar competitor being liquidated. If you can’t increase profits in that scenario then something’s really, really wrong.
Service???
Hahahahahaha
Best Buy differentiated themselves from Circuit City by ignoring shoppers while they shopped, in contrast to the commission hounds at CC. Now they want to be helpful? They’d better hire some more knowledgeable folks than the teenagers they have now.
“Best Buy, however, is hoping that its service will help differentiate itself from discounters…”
Why would the leadership of this organization stake its future on the people compensated the least and who have no authority or ability to make decisions?
Danger, I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not, but this is the problem in all medium to large organizations. The rank-and-file people get all the work done. The managers and executives think that because they’re paid more, they must know more, when in fact they almost always know LESS than the people working for them.
I was serious! The people at the top who muck things up never are held accountable for their decisions.
1200 positions at my employer are being eliminated, but the guy in charge and his board that rubber stamped his poor decisions get to keep their cushy positions without sacrificing anything.
“The results, however, beat Wall Street expectations…”
This country will get back on its feet when this phrase is stricken from our lexicon.
“The results, however, beat Wall Street’s extremely and suddenly lowered expectations…” -
More debt-related stress and lunatic-tragedy here in Central Florida.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-four-dead-in-heathrow-murder-suicide-061509,0,7094170.story
“HEATHROW - The family of four killed in an apparent murder-suicide in this gated community was deep in debt and struggled for five years to get out, according to records filed in federal bankruptcy court.
John Dillon Wood, 41, and Cynthia Wood, 40, declared bankruptcy in 2004 and tried for years to pay back money they owed, including more than $100,000 in credit-card bills. As of March, documents show, the Wood family still owed $85,000 to a list of creditors…”
Someone posted this story yesterday. We all been hearing cases like this quite a lot lately. It’s always the husband/father who does something like this, never the wife/mother (or I have not heard of one).
What’s wrong with us guys? What’s in our DNA that would prompt an action like this but not the gals?
Man are still the family bread winner more often than not, and even where that is not the case, men are being harder hit by the recession than women….as in men are more likely to get laid off. These men are in more of a position to see the futility of their situation, and then some go off the deep end and do the unthinkable. Even where women are the main bread winner, if she is a single mother she is eligible for alot more in state aid than a married couple is.
Testosterone.
Not being able to provide for your family = ultimate failure as a man
That is most likely the feeling……
Not being able to provide for your family = ultimate failure as a man
That is most likely the feeling……
As a husband, father, and primary wage earner - I would very much agree with this.
The problem is that many people have a twisted view of what it means to “provide” for their family. It does not equal a big house, a big yard, tons of toys, flat screen TV, iPods for everyone etc. It doesn’t necessarily exclude those things, but doesn’t have to include them. Other things are far more important.
Not being able to provide for your family = ultimate failure as a man
Unless you’re my ex-husband who paid for nothing though earning 3x my income. Thus, the “ex”.
Good riddance to him……one of the downsides to women’s lib I guess, some men went too far in the other direction…..
Yeah. Now the narcissists and con men had a framework to justify their belief that the rules don’t apply to them.
Aah yes, the legendary “gated” community.
But who “gated” the children from their parents’ fiscal insanity?
Who “gates” the “gaters”?
Always sad to hear that someone has killed their family, makes no sense. They may have been in deep debt, but the story clearly states they did not cut back on luxuries.
They could have dumped the toys, moved into less expensive digs, and paid the debt back over time, but no, had to keep up appearances!
“They could have dumped the toys, moved into less expensive digs, and paid the debt back over time, but no, had to keep up appearances!”
You’re asking spendthrifts to let go. The lesson they have not yet learned (and may never) is all this crap is temporary. The house will end up back in the ground, the car will end up right back in the ground and they too will end up back in the ground……….. right where it all came from.
Let go or be dragged.
After deciding that much of what I have wouldn’t sell for much, if anything, I’ve been on the hunt for things to donate. And I’ve already found a nice stash of stuff to give to the local Habistore. (It raises money for Habitat for Humanity Tucson.)
I’ve also decided that I could live quite happily with just a fraction of what I currently have. Which removes a lot of the urgency to go out and Buy! More! Stuff!
“After deciding that much of what I have wouldn’t sell for much, if anything…”
I think that other than two pieces of furniture (my bed and my dresser) the most valuable thing in my entire apartment based on resale value is my Metro card. And I wouldn’t make huge bets on the bed and dresser.
Tried to donate some toys to Goodwill and Salvation Army….they don’t take them!
IDK if it’s a health issue or what…ended up giving them to my son’s after school program….
I get the less stuff idea… trying to own stuff will eventually own you. On the other hand, I really like having my mini machine shop in my garage and making and repairing things, including my experimenting with robotics. How could I do that if I didn’t own the tools? I really would like it if there were a big community shop right next to my house that I could go to whenever I wanted to, and not have to worry about the storage and moving of my tools when I go to buy a house (one day). We don’t live in an ideal world though. People don’t share the same values and aspirations as you, so you have to “nest” and create the world you want around you.
I really do get the idea behind communism. It is a miraculous thing to be able to share responsibility and direction with other people who you can count on. I also understand why communism as a government will never work, since there are so many people you just can’t rely on.
Goodwill doesn’t pick up furniture anymore in NYC….the $4 gas and lack of vans last year killed it.
Then you have the severe idiot morons on Craigslist who put curb alerts just before it rains on a Monday afternoon because nobody bought it in the weekend tag sale
or at midnight get it before the garbage truck comes at 6 am
And cant let little Brittney and Justin be embarrassed in school because their I-phone was disconnected for non payment..
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but no, had to keep up appearances!
Apparently living without tons of uselss stuff was a fate worse than ‘debt’ to them. Sad.
To service debt is as heavy as a mountain, to die for debt is as light as a cherry blossom. Consumer kamikazes.
So what you’re saying is that debt stings like a hymenoptera while death floats like a lepidoptera?
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, the great smell of Brut and the punch of Ali!
Debt, where is thy sting?
Old lady to WC Fields, discussing an industrial accident:
“He drowned in a barrel of whiskey.”
WC Fields:
“Ah, Death, where is thy sting!”
DennisN
That’s actually a paraphrase of a biblical quote, but I am glad to learn that W C Fields figured out how to put it to good use!
This kind of act is due to an utter loss/lack of perspective.
Sorry for the repost from yesterday’s BB - Mikey and Leigh are your areas doing anything similar?
No bubble in Madison, but the city needs to spend money to prevent foreclosures
http://www.cityofmadison.com/news/view.cfm?news_id=1522
Hi Mad Boy…good to hear from you. I haven’t noticed anything specifically on the NE Wisconsin cities direct spending to prevent foreclosures lately but as you well know, a lot of things are flown UNDER the Wisconsin News Media’s Radar.
Heck…the locals bearly are aware that at least 5 NE Wisconsin school districts, including I believe Bayshore and Racine, have lost several 100’s of millions of taxpayer future dollars in a huge Hedge Fund Gambling Scam.
They should eventually get the news when they recieve their Property Taxes over the next few decades
MadBoy
make that “Whitefish Bay” school district and others…these people have NO IDEA what has happened here.
It’s worse than AREA 51
The Looting of America: How Wall Street Fleeced Millions from Wisconsin Schools
By Les Leopold, Chelsea Green Publishing. Posted June 3, 2009.
Wall Street investment houses went after the $100 billion saved in school-district trust funds like Whitefish Bay’s, and made a killing.
http://tinyurl.com/lo3yan
Heard on the news this morning (NPR headline story): The housing market may have bottomed out, as evidenced by a DOC report showing a 17 pct increase in housing starts. If so, then why are the builders still so glum?
P.S. I note that the NAR is a major NPR supporter.
Wall Street Journal
* REAL ESTATE
* JUNE 15, 2009, 1:57 P.M. ET
Higher Mortgage Rates Sap Builder Confidence
By JEFF BATER
WASHINGTON — Confidence faltered in June among U.S. home builders, left uneasy by a rise in mortgage rates.
A market sentiment index published monthly by the National Association of Home Builders dipped this month. The gauge reflects builder confidence in sales of new, single-family houses.
The drop in the NAHB’s housing market index reported Monday, to 15 from 16 in May, followed two months of increases that had nurtured hopes of a bottom to the housing crisis. Signs have surfaced this spring indicating the worst of the recession is past.
But mortgage rates have climbed in recent weeks, pushed by rising government bond yields. Investors are concerned about inflation because of increased spending in Washington meant to pull the economy out of recession. Freddie Mac data showed the average on a 30-year mortgage loan was 5.59% last week — 73 basis points higher than the average four weeks earlier of 4.86%, an advance that could hurt demand for houses.
“The housing market continues to bump along trying to find a bottom,” NAHB chief economist David Crowe said.
New-home sales have gone up twice in the latest three-month period. Affordability has gone up with the long, deep slide in prices; there was a 15% drop, year over year, in April alone, the latest data show.
But used homes, driven down sharply in price by a wave of foreclosures, are competing with the new-home market. Layoffs and tight credit have also slowed new-home sales. Inventories of unsold homes are high; the ratio of homes for sale to houses sold in April exceeded 10 months. As a result, home construction fell 13% in April compared to March. Construction year over year was less than half the April 2008 level.
An HMI component that measures current sales conditions held steady at 14. An index gauging traffic of prospective buyers also stayed flat, at 13. An index gauging sales expectations in the next six months slipped to 26 from 27.
“Builders are taking their cue from consumers, who remain uncertain about the economy and their own situation,” Crowe said. “Builders are also finding it difficult to complete a sale because customers cannot sell their existing homes.”
…
* The Wall Street Journal
* REAL ESTATE
* JUNE 16, 2009, 9:32 A.M. ET
May Housing Starts Jumped 17.2%
Producer Prices Post Big Decline
By JEFF BATER and BRIAN BLACKSTONE
WASHINGTON — Home construction climbed in May far above expectations, with single-family starts rising a third month in a row and giving more evidence of stability in the housing sector.
Separately, U.S. producer prices posted their largest annual decline in 60 years last month, suggesting that the prolonged recession continues to take pressure off inflation.
Housing starts increased 17.2% to a seasonally adjusted 532,000 annual rate compared to the prior month, the Commerce Department said Tuesday. Building permits rose; apartment construction surged.
The 17.2% increase was much bigger than expected. Economists surveyed by Dow Jones Newswires forecast a 7.0% increase to an annual rate of 490,000.
Toll Brothers Inc. recently reported its fiscal second-quarter loss narrowed a little. The nation’s largest builder of luxury homes posted a loss of $83.2 million, compared with a year-earlier loss of $93.7 million. It recorded smaller write-downs. The company operates in 21 states and last reported a profit nearly two years ago. Toll Brothers said it expects to deliver between 2,200 and 2,800 homes during the year, compared with an earlier, March view of 2,000 to 3,000 homes.
Tuesday’s report on housing showed building permits in May increased 4.0% to a 518,000 annual rate. Economists had expected permits to rise by 2.4% to a rate of 510,000. April permits fell 2.5% to 498,000.
But the problems of the housing sector are not over. Inventories are way too high, in relation to new-home sales, a key measure indicates. The ratio of those for sale to property sold in April exceeded 10 months.
Layoffs and tight credit are holding back sales. And mortgage rates have started rising, pushed by rising government bond yields. Investors are concerned about inflation because of increased spending in Washington meant to pull the economy out of recession. Freddie Mac data showed the average on a 30-year mortgage loan was 5.59% last week — 73 basis points higher than the average four weeks earlier of 4.86%, an advance that could hurt demand for houses.
Amazing! Another green shoot. We are saved!
when home prices are falling and inventories are rising how is building more homes good?
“Layoffs and tight credit are holding back sales. And mortgage rates have started rising..”
Errrrr…. Credit is NOT tight. Tight credit is when you can’t buy a home with a 750 FICO and 20% down. We’re not even CLOSE to having that kind of situation, you can still buy homes with almost nothing down (and probably can find a 0 down if you look hard enough) and a 10%; if a 1 point swing is the difference between affording and not a affording a house; let me be the first to tell you, YOU CAN’T AFFORD THE HOUSE!
It’s like if we keep saying “credit is tight” eventually people are going to believe it and beg for the “old days” back. Credits not tight, it’s just not available (as easily) to those who are bad credit risks. That’s a NORMAL market, not a tight one.
The problem is not tight credit, but the massive gap between prospective buyer purchase budgets constrained by traditional lending standards and seller wishing prices based on memories of unconstrained purchase budgets due to debaucherous lending standards circa 2005. Until this bid-asked gap resolves, home sales (and mortgage borrowing) will remain in the crapper.
And yet nary a peep in either article about the YOY number.
finance.yahoo.com/news/Increasing-Starts-NOT-Good-zacks-15537573.html?sec=topStories&pos=2&asset=&ccode=
“WASHINGTON – Construction of new homes jumped in May by the largest amount in three months, an encouraging sign that the nation’s deep housing recession was beginning to bottom out.
The Commerce Department said Tuesday that construction of new homes and apartments jumped 17.2 percent last month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 532,000 units. That was better than the 500,000-unit pace that economists had expected and came after construction fell in April to a record low of 454,000 units.
In another encouraging sign, applications for building permits, seen as a good indicator of future activity, rose 4 percent in May to an annual rate of 518,000 units.
The better-than-expected rebound in construction was the latest sign that the prolonged slump in housing is coming to an end, which would be good news for the broader economy.”
Does anyone else sense the propaganda spin?
Why in the world would adding more housing units to an already overpriced and oversupplied market be good news? Good news for renters only? This will only prolong the size and duration of the deflating bubble.
Financial reporting these days must be done by high schoolers working part-time with lotsa help from Mr. Wizard.
Check out what these gloomsters are saying.
I will add an optmistic note to their dirge of gloomy prognostication: California housing will become increasingly affordable through 2011 or later, laying the foundation for economic recovery, as it will be much easier to attract a vibrant young work force if families can afford to live here.
THE ECONOMY
Budget woes, building drop-off may prolong state’s hardships
Unemployment will reach 12.1% by the end of the year, UCLA economists forecast.
By Alana Semuels
June 16, 2009
Despite some healing in the national economy, California still faces significant difficulty, in part because of the state’s budget woes, economic forecasters at UCLA say.
Unemployment in the state will reach 12.1% by the end of this year and will not return to single digits until late in 2011, economists predicted in the quarterly UCLA Anderson Forecast, which was set to be released today.
“California is in for a continued rough ride for the balance of 2009 and is not going to see economic growth return until the end of the year,” wrote Jerry Nickelsburg, senior economist at the forecast.
Driving California’s difficulties are a shrinking state budget, a disappearing non-residential construction market and sluggishness in housing construction.
Construction jobs, which fell 12% in 2008, are expected to drop more than 15% this year as demand continues to fall for both residential and commercial development. Already, activity has dropped so dramatically in the state that developers are now under-building for the size of California’s population, sowing the seeds of another housing bubble, the report said.
The state’s fiscal woes make the picture bleaker. The budget for the 2009-10 fiscal year will probably lead to program cuts and layoffs on top of spending decreases in last year’s budget.
“California’s state government . . . has no choice but to contract at the worst time,” Nickelsburg wrote.
The cuts don’t affect only government jobs. Some of the program reductions will be in healthcare and education, damaging two sectors that haven’t yet experienced massive job losses in California during this recession.
Bill Watkins, executive director of California Lutheran University’s Center for Economic Research and Forecasting, agreed with the Anderson group that California faces a rougher road than the rest of the nation.
“California’s economy is quite a bit weaker than the U.S. economy, and we don’t expect to see a recovery any time soon,” he said. The state will not come out of recession until the second half of 2011, he predicted.
Add this into the mix and you can see why they are so glum.
UCLA forecast says state worker layoffs could top 60,000
http://www.sacbee.com/business/story/1949519.html
Technically speaking, I guess the folks who prepare that forecast are state workers?
…. state worker layoffs could top 60,000
Never….Gonna….Happen
Not as long as the Dems control both the assembly and senate (and effectively the governor who is a RINO)…..they would rather set fire to their own chambers with themselves inside than allow that…..
…….there will be more taxes/fees, much more……….
They raised the car tax and sales tax - we responded by driving our old cars rather than buying new ones so they lost the sales tax and added fees for registration this would have provided.
They raised sales tax so we stopped buying taxable items or buy them from out of state vendors.
They raised our income tax, but with more and more out of work, and reduced salaries, they still lose.
I have seen more road police out there, so at least for a ticket they can beat the cash our of us. Perhaps a three dollar gas tax? I would leave the state of course, along with every other middle class citizen, so doubt that would work?
Naa the State is heading for bankruptcy and that is the extent of it.
I am wondering why Gary Watts did not get interviewed for this story?
Sunday, June 14, 2009
The Great Depression in O.C.: Are the hard times back?
Residents and experts compare the 1930s crisis to today.
By EUGENE GARCIA
THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
Have we avoided another Great Depression? Many think the worst has passed. But some long-time Orange County residents are less hopeful. They lived in and around Orange County through the relentless Depression of the 1930s, a period with stark differences and similarities to the current recession. So how do the two crises compare?
“I think it’s worse now — as far as the loss of homes,” said Julie Ireland, 90, of Laguna Beach. During the Depression, the teenager often walked 6 hours a day looking for work.
“I expect this recession to last as long as the Depression,” Ireland said.
According to most economists, the Great Depression began with the stock market crash of 1929, and ended with the start of World War II in 1941. The term depression was then largely dropped as a description for periodic business cycle contractions. Another word was adopted to describe economic slowdowns: recessions.
The green shoots are for real, folks, even if it is unwanted weed:
Hedges of Greenwich Succumb as Weed Invades Hedge Fund Capital
June 16 (Bloomberg) — It isn’t just hedge funds troubling fund capital Greenwich, Connecticut. It’s hedges.
A fast-growing vine known as mile-a-minute weed, or the kudzu of the North, is stalking hedges, shrubs and trees in the town 27 miles (43 kilometers) north of New York City that is home to 60 fund companies. The plant advances as much as 6 inches (15 centimeters) a day and has a grip on National Audubon Society land and other patches, said Denise Savageau, Greenwich’s conservation director.
“Remember ‘Invasion of the Body Snatchers,’” said Tom Baptist, executive director of Audubon Connecticut, who found the creeping interloper at the group’s Gimbel Sanctuary in 1996. “This has a similar science fiction feeling, but it’s the attack of an alien plant. It usually kills what it covers.”
That threatens millions of dollars of damage to Connecticut orchards, farms, gardens and landscaping, said Todd Mervosh, a state weed scientist and member of the Connecticut Invasive Plant Working Group. The state produced $14 million of apples, peaches and pears last year, and $3.8 million of Christmas trees in 2007, according to U.S. Agriculture Department data.
At first I thought this was going to be about a failed hedge fund. It turns out it’s about something serious.
+1
We can’t get cellulosic ethanol up and running fast enough.
A similar supply-and-demand argument would explain why the current surge in housing starts will only serve to worsen the housing price crash.
It is amazing how much of what happens in the economy can be explained by that supply-and-demand graph with the giant X in it that Economics 1 students all learn to love.
MarketWatch
Irwin Kellner
Jun 16, 2009, 9:58 a.m. EST
The buck drops here
Commentary: Don’t be fooled - the greenback is headed in just one direction
…there are two problems with all this happy talk.
The first is that a stronger dollar makes it more difficult for us to emerge from our recession. Exports from the U.S. cost more to holders of foreign currencies, so they are likely to look for cheaper substitutes elsewhere. By the same token, imports are cheaper, since they come from countries whose currencies are falling against ours.
The combination of slowing exports and rising imports can deal a one-two punch to our key manufacturing sector, thus weakening an important pillar of growth.
And while a strong dollar does hold down inflation, this is apparently not a concern of policymakers right now. (Although I think that it should be — see last week’s column.)
That said, I am not suggesting for one moment that Washington would deliberately weaken the dollar to help get us out of recession. We all know that the government favors a strong dollar. It always does.
But lip service notwithstanding, it is hard for me to imagine that Washington wants a strong dollar so badly it would change monetary policy to try to make this happen.
The Federal Reserve is creating dollars at a rapid pace to help jump-start the economy. Liquid money is up 11% over the past year, the monetary base has increased by 110%, while bank reserves are a thumping 903% larger than they were a year ago.
With this much money being created, the dollar has only one way to go — down. It’s nothing more mysterious than supply and demand.
Irwin Kellner is chief economist for MarketWatch, and is Distinguished Scholar of Economics at Dowling College in Oakdale, N.Y.
Hi folks. I didn’t post in a long time. I’ve been busy as you will see.
I have a story that you might find interesting.
Earlier this year I finally got my RBA/Fortress house. Well, the Fortress is not quite what it used to be. I’d estimate 15% less than peak. But good for me as a buyer.
I then sold my non-RBA house. Midrange Silicon Valley. It sold for about 15% less than peak as well. We spiffed it up and staged it, which I’m sure helped with the sale. Put it this way, the pics of my house wouldn’t show up on Burbed with some humorous comments.
There’s been several houses around our new place going up for sale and being sold. But at prices lower than peak. And there’s no denying that volume is lower than 2007. OTOH it’s hardly a Hooverville around here either. And even my non-RBA house was not too bad to sell.
One factor to remember when looking at income/price is that these are usually not first time buyers. In my case, I had a significant down payment, funded by savings and also equity in my first home. Someone who bought in 2005 may not have much equity, but someone who bought earlier can have equity. Therefore the often-cited 3x rule of thumb may apply to the mortgage amount, but not the house price amount. In fact my mortgage payment is similar to rent for this place. Of course that means I am ignoring the investment value of the down payment. But in the long run I’ll bet housing and stock prices are somewhat correlated, so either way I’ll either do ok or get screwed.
I do think prices will continue to fall for some time, and it won’t be a v-shaped recovery. Particularly if interest rates continue to rise. And jobs probably won’t roar back quickly.
So why would I buy? Certainly renting is cheaper on a monthly basis. Well here’s why:
I already owned a house, so already exposed to the housing market price swings. I have increased my exposure obviously but not starting from zero.
It would be cheaper on a monthly basis to rent. But then I’m exposed to the landlord getting foreclosed, or deciding to sell, or whatever. And I really don’t like moving. Renting is great for those who like to move around, but I do not.
Rental houses are often not that great. Even Patrick of patrick.net has written about the miserable state of much rental housing. In a place where there’s a lot of new construction, you can rent from an accidental landlord and get something pretty nice. But there’s not that much new construction in Silicon Valley so not much like that available. So the rent/own calculation is not really apples to apples. By owning I can set up the house the way that I like, and this is important to us.
Kids will enter school in the fall. True, by renting I could still get to this school, but then there’s a reasonable chance that I’d end up moving again in the future. And when transferring mid year you may not get to your neighborhood school.
Finally, what it boils down to is that I’m fortunate to be able to afford it. With a 30yr fixed, payments are affordable, I have a cash cushion just in case. Even if it’s not the cheapest way to house myself and family, it’s worth it to me. It would be way cheaper to rent a 1 bedroom apt for $1500/mo. But less pleasant. Just like someone may opt to eat somewhere other than McDonalds, even though it costs more, I opt to live somewhere that’s not the cheapest possible way to go. This could be a disaster if Silicon Valley ends up like Detroit, but it’s a risk I’m willing to take to enhance my quality of life instead of waiting for prices to reach rental parity or 3x income, which may or may not happen around here.
Si02…Sounds to me like you purchased for all the right reasons…I am in zip 95051…What zip are you in ??
Good luck dioxide. It’s not like going out to dinner.
Last round of interviews for a full-time position today. Let’s see if I can end my personal ‘depression’ semi-permanently.
It’s funny, after being unemployed for so long, I really don’t *want* to go back to work. I like being able to hang at home with my dog, go for long walks, go to the park, etc. At the least, it has me considering starting up my own contracting business so I can work out of my home. I like it here
And I *HATE* the thought of having a commute.
Is this the ‘acceptance’ phase of long-term unemployment? If so, I kind of like it.
“Let’s see if I can end my personal ‘depression’ semi-permanently.”
Yes you can!
The hardest part of getting out of unemployment is bearing up your attitude and optimism to convince a prospective employer that you are ready to get back to work. But you can do it — just steel your meddle and go for it…
Ahh, but there’s the conundrum. I kind of like my day-to-day life at the moment
There’s a lot of competition out there these days. I know I’m a good candidate. It’s just a question of being the right or best candidate.
Drummin:
I don’t think good, right or best candidate anymore. I really think they want morons who have very little ambitions.
Its just a Dead End job so why hire anyone with hopes and dreams to do better?
I wish someone could teach me to dumb myself down in interviews. But sometimes they ask questions and i just have to answer to the best of my abilty, and that’s it, no job offers
My #1 job problem was my refusal to fit in. Like Popeye, I am what I am. And if you don’t like that, stuff it.
I also have an unwillingness to suffer fools gladly, which didn’t go over very well in the workplace.
Boy, willingness to suffer fools gladly would really make life in the workplace easier. But it’s just one of those things - you either have it or you don’t. ;-D
My unwillingness to suffer fools was tempered somewhat by the sneaking suspicion that ‘I’ might be one of them…

I really think they want morons who have very little ambitions.
Not for tech/engineering jobs. These people want smart, independent thinkers. Just not *too* independent, as you have to work within the company’s goals and vision.
Drummin, by now your interview is over, hope it went as you wanted it to go. Sending good vibes, if as long as you got a good feeling from being there.
The following insight has helped me: people generally want to go with the path of least resistance. The interviewer is balancing a fine line. He or she wants to check the box that the position was filled, that way he or she can go on to the next. These days, many corporate recruiter positions are volume based. Therefore, if you meet the initial hurdle, the next hurdle is: he or she does not want to look dumb in front of the management.
My attitude: I have a good story to tell for any of the points on my resume. And I want to make it easy for them to hire me (I wouldn’t have targeted the company otherwise). Like you, I found unemployment congenial. Ergo, the story was sound. I didn’t send off any jagged edges. And I was interested in solving the problems involved with the business. I wasn’t poking the poor person with the stuff I wanted out of the deal. On the salary thing - whenever asked, my response is “there’s a street rate for the kind of things I do, everybody is aware of it, everybody at this caliber pays it, and I’m quite content with it”. Never been shafted on a starting offer.
I found the recruiters to respond in kind, more or less. At the point where I’m actually in front of a hiring executive, I ask about problems and problem solve with them. That’s what I like doing. Ninety per cent of my effort was spent targeting the company and getting in front of the recruiter. By the time I got to the problem solver, I was actually having fun, if such a word can be used in the grim UE context. If the problem solving was engaging, I got an offer. Every single time. If the problem solving session did not get my gears going, I did not get an offer and I didn’t care.
The fact is, I’m not really all that keen on working, when I’m not working. But if I’ve targeted the company correctly, they will have problems that compel my interest and I generally wind up being more or less mission driven. So I am not a middle aged slacker, is what I tell myself.
Obviously, I’ve had my share of structural dislocations, otherwise I wouldn’t be this blase about it.
Keep trying, and eventually you will be both right and best. But it is great if you can enjoy your day-to-day life in the meanwhile. Some of my most enjoyable periods in life have been during periods when I was not full-time employed (e.g., I played many more gigs and had more time to spend with my family).
Yeah, drumminj. Just what PB said.
And remember, you’re in the PNW! Lucky you!
Thanks Professor
I think i am just a decent guy who happens to have a very open and inquisitive mind. (I’m here aren’t I?)
And that’s what is hard, most people are really clueless and I guess i would be out of place talking about America Idol, Housewives of Orange county and now is a good time to buy a house.
Even bar owners aka rental agents want to you to bring in customers or you don’t get paid.
I am always adding new music to myspace page on my handle.
Hmm, I don’t know if you are married or currently in a relationship? If you are is she gonna put up with it? I doubt it. And even if you are not in one what would the next one think of that?
But if you are never gonna to be in another relationship ever again, more power to you.
It is an interesting concept, that a man would slave away his life to gain affirmation from a woman. Even more so, for a woman not yet met.
It really depends on the life you want to live as a man. If you want to have a family or be in a long-term relationship, unless you are a trust-fund baby, you have to have gainful employment. That’s not a concept, it’s a fact of life. I have had this friend for 15 years and since 2001 he had not had a steady job. His 10 year girlfriend finally got fed up because she saw no future with him and left him. He could not find or sustain any meaningful relationship since then for the very same reason since as soon as the gal found out about his long-term unemployment status, they leave.
On the other hand if you are a happy bachelor for life, have a trust fund or just happen to be luck to be in a rare relationship where the woman doesn’t care if you have a job or not, the more power to you.
BTW, having a job does not equal to “slaving away” in my book.
a man would slave away his life to gain affirmation from a woman.
Well, I know IIIII would think that such a man was a puling candy-a*s*s. But that’s just me. On the other hand, a man living the carefree and unstructured life of a vagrant lurking under over-passes because he refuses to slave for ‘The Man’, would be equally unenticing. But that’s just me.
Say, how about we have a compromise, where NO one slaves, and everyone gives valid affirmations, back and forth, unless they sound too dorky, in which case maybe leave a note.
Signed,
Olympiagal, woman.
Hey that sounds like communism… are you a commie Olygal?
Take my comment tongue in cheek. I’ve worked steadily for 40 years and raised four children to adulthood without them or their mother lacking for anything. Plus I have enjoyed my work.
I’m kind of looking at the other side these days though. Somewhere between the bridge troll and the trust fund gigs.
Whatever I do though, it will not be for affirmation. I’ve already proved everything I need to, and to everyone I should have, is how I feel, and would rather focus on things long postponed.
Don’t have time to do the dorky note thing for you Olygal but I Promise to CALL you in the Morning…Oh yeah…uh huh …promise .
Signed,

mikey, NFA
Blue Skye, now I understand where you are coming from. But you must admit you have that luxury of “re-looking” at things now that you have done all that… for us young bucks we still have to prove we are stallions and not Viagra-pumped little ponies.
Well, come see an old man sometime!
John Wayne
True Grit
or something like that, as he jumped his horse over the fence.
Well, come see an old man sometime!
John Wayne
True Grit
My favorite line in True Grit is when he says ” Fill your hand, you son of a b*tc*h!’
The last time I watched a movie with John Wayne in it I went about drawling my words and calling everyone ‘pilgrim’ for several weeks, until I was ordered to stop it or I’d be kilt. So I replied, ‘” Fill your hand, you son of a b*tc*h!”
But I was just being high-strung. I cured myself of my ‘pilgrim’ habit, in the interests of not being kilt.
Don’t have time to do the dorky note thing for you Olygal but I Promise to CALL you in the Morning…Oh yeah…uh huh …promise .
Hahahahaah!
…Oh, and I believe you, I really, really, really do…
…and would rather focus on things long postponed…
Oh, yeah, whatcher gonna do? Get rained on and go roll around in pollen and stuff?
Because that’s what I suggest.
But that’s just me. Hahahaah!
You know me, but there are many many different pollens to sample.
I don’t know if you are married or currently in a relationship? If you are is she gonna put up with it?
Not married, not in a relationship. But have dated girls in the past that didn’t mind the unemployment thing. But certainly there are many who do. As far as I’m concerned, they can suck it if they can’t accept it. But you’re right - one is unfairly judged. I worked hard for 8 years (I’m 30), saved a good chunk of change. I’m trying to find the right job for me….being unemployed doesn’t make me a loser or one without ambition. However, if they want to make those judgements, well…I don’t care for them.
drumminj, I thought you had a contract position?
If so, I would hang on to it and forget about “permanent” employment. In my experience, contractors not only make more money, but have better job security than regular employees. And you can always buy your own benefits.
drumminj, I thought you had a contract position?
I do..but it’s short-term. Two months’ work, max. I’m committed for a month, with an option to do the second. I like the contract gig, but I hate searching for work. I don’t have many leads in that realm right now.
This full-time gig would be a good one. We’ll see how it went…
Perma-bear alert: MS’ Stephen Roach on CNBC shooting down “green-shoots”. Market falls further.
I will betcha Roach will be first in line to point out when a real recovery is underway, rather than green shoots malarky.
That may well be the case. The guy has been bearish for a long time now, but he correctly pointed out the imbalance in credit market and account deficit long before most people did.
Blatant scamster in AIG fraud case gets tiny slap on wrist:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Sentencing-set-for-former-apf-15538121.html?sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=&ccode=
…are you freakin’ kidding me!!
For the record, this had nothing to do with the massive $180 billion AIG bailout/scandal that has been playing out over the past year. This case was about a relatively paltry $500 million manipulation of earnings that occurred in 2001. The mechanism was finite risk reinsurance, which is a common way of “adjusting” earnings, and the case was over technicalities in the way it was applied.
Personally, I don’t really care about a few AIG investors who lost what was, at the time, a pretty small percentage of AIG’s market cap. The unfortunate thing to me is that the time and efforts of so many talented people is wasted in trying to figure out these inscrutable accounting rules. I will also say that I know one of the defendants, not exactly personally, but I have exchanged e-mails with him and know him reasonably well by reputation, and I consider him to be one of the more honorable people in insurance company management.
Sounds like Maurice Madeoff with lots of pension loot!
AIG says former top exec plundered retirement plan
By MADLEN READ – 1 day ago
NEW YORK (AP) — A lawyer for American International Group Inc. has told a jury that AIG’s former top executive plundered a company retirement program of billions of dollars because he was angry at being forced out.
Attorney Theodore Wells told a jury in Manhattan Monday that former AIG CEO Maurice “Hank” Greenberg improperly took $4.3 billion in stock from the company in 2005.
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Here is a crock of hogwash. Doesn’t this fool know the bailouts already in place mainly landed on Wall Street, the financial heart of New York state? But it’s OK, as I am quite confident that Wall Street will take a well-deserved drubbing on their California real estate investment portfolio if California does not get its fair share of the bailout allocation, as massive defaults on property loans eventually rise above fraudulent accounting measures to hide them.
Jun 16 2009, 12:30 pm by Derek Thompson
California Screamin’
On such a summer’s day in 2009, when too big to fail has practically become a national slogan, you would think that the Obama administration would find it in their hearts and their pockets to lend some bailout money to the state of California, which now faces a $24 billion deficit. But no. The early word from DC is that the administration has refused to bail out the state of California and that Arnold Schwarzenegger will be forced to take whatever lessons he learned when playing Mr. Freeze and apply them to government spending.
Is Obama doing the right thing? I think so. As my colleague Megan has pointed out, it’s one thing to consider California in a vacuum — one-eighth of our population and almost one-seventh of our budget cannot be abandoned! It’s another to consider the precedent of bailing one state while another 49 gaze on with hangdog eyes and tightening wallets:
But what happens if we bail California out? New York had a fifteen billion dollar budget deficit; why should the Empire State struggle to balance its budget while its citizens’ federal tax dollars leak westward? Why not Texas, or Florida? Why not all the states, for that matter? And if the Federal government does bail them out, why bother with any fiscal restraint at all?
George Washington invested massively in NY State. The tradition goes on.
The brilliantly effective New York State Legislature has crafted a shrewd plan for using the taxes from the last gasp of the banking sector to restart other industries in this state. In particular, low wage areas upstate will feel the benefits of brilliant policy on manufacturing while those on Long Island can look forward to a rebirth of the aviation industry there.
Unfortunately, the brilliantly effective New York State legislature was last seen in 1845 boarding a cruise ship to travel up the Hudson. The real New York State Legislature is busy playing musical chairs.
The New York State legislature is evil.
It is no longer the Empire State, it’s the Vampire State.
It’s motto is no longer Excelsior (ever upward). It is Tondere Et Aufugere (fleece & flee).
That is because the state is being run by and for the retired, soon to retire, and those about to leave the state. They’ve taken all there is to take, and the collaspe is coming soon.
All the deals, favors, deferred costs, and advanced revenues passed the legislature without a single no vote. Now they are fighting over who gets the plushest deck chairs on the Titanic.
Ha! Maybe the youth of New York will move to San Diego and start businesses, as we have what New York doesn’t: Great weather, affordable housing (coming soon) and a port to the Pacific!
California has already received a lot of bailout funding, e.g. $4 billion for schools. I’m sure there’s a lot more.
IIRC they were slated to get somewhere on the order of $20 billion from the stimulus package, directly to the state, in addition to Federally-funded stimulus projects that were slated to include California.
Shhhh!
David Weidner’s Writing on the Wall
Jun 16, 2009, 10:06 a.m. EST
How O learned to stop worrying and love the bailout
Commentary: Did campaign finance or Wall Street friends water down reforms?
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No campaign finance?
But the big hole in the Geithner-Summers plan is campaign finance and financial sector lobbying in Congress.
The securities industry, with donations of $64.43 million, was the third-biggest contributor to congressional candidates during the 2008 cycle, behind retirees and the legal community. Combined with various financial companies at $36 million, insurance companies at $30 million and commercial banks at $22.8 million — financials were by far the biggest donors to Washington, according to the Federal Election Commission.
Maybe the reformers were swayed by the fact Barack Obama was the top recipient of financial industry contributions, save for the insurance industry. They instead favored Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain and his status quo health-care plans.
Financial firms already are showing Congress the money for the 2010 mid-terms. Big banks and financials have contributed $4.34 million this election cycle. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, appointed to Hillary Clinton’s senate seat earlier this year, is getting the lion’s share of Wall Street cash.
Bill in LA version?
“How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Obama”
Hahahah!
You’re on a roll today, Professor!
It’s that Eastern Washington air that has me all perky. (Back home now, though…)
Prof Bear is good when he’s good!
Ok, what is the real unemployment # and what will it be when the official # comes out?
I am thinking the employment situation is pretty ugly, no matter what the officially released number, as output is reported down by 13.4 pct YOY. Only 1946 and 1932 showed drops in YOY output anywhere near this level (at least going back to 1930).
So hazard a guess, Pb.
what if they are suppressing the real numbers.
will the output # be worse next year?
what happened in 1946?
“…what happened in 1946?…”
I am guessing that is the year the U.S. stopped manufacturing so many ships, aircrafts, guns, bombs, etc. and started making lots of babies, which don’t show up outright in GDP numbers.
Yep - exactly.
Takes a fair amount of time to retool all the factories from building airplanes, bombs, tanks, etc. to building automobiles, washing machines, refrigerators, etc. Meanwhile they get shut down, and production goes way, way down for a while. Plus the logistics of rebuilding staff, etc.
“Takes a fair amount of time to retool…”
This is what I mean by structural adjustment. This time is different than the other post-WWII recessions, because the others were cyclical slowdowns while this one is a structural breakdown.
Righht…But does not mean I will vote for someone of Obama’s calibre when there are libertarian alternatives. Remember…I did not vote for Obama and I’m proud of who I voted for (hint: Not McSame).
“…libertarian alternatives…”
Don’t hold your breath…
I remember a thread about careers and lawyers from last month. Looks like India is the place to go now:
As Law Firms Elsewhere are Firing, Those in India are Hiring
Posted Jun 15, 2009, 03:07 pm CDT
By Martha Neil
As many major law firms based in the United States and London are shrinking their attorney rosters in reaction to a global recession, their counterparts in India are doing just fine.
In fact, a number of law firms in India are hiring in anticipation of increased business, reports Bloomberg in a lengthy article.
“India is a ‘must have’ when the rules for entry of foreign law firms are clear,” says Nandan Nelivigi, a New York partner of White & Case.
“The outlook for India is very promising—more than any other Jones Day market, in my view,” says partner Jeffrey Maddox. He works in his firm’s Hong Kong office.
About 6 months ago, I met with a fellow who had started a legal outsourcing firm. Companies could send their work to a firm in India and the work was reviewed by attorneys here.
The Indian law schools bring in US professors for a year at a time, so the students there were learning from the same professors and same books as the US law students. And these professors weren’t from chump schools.
According to him, business was really taking off.
They do this every 10 years with a different “emerging market”. It was Thailand, then it was Russia, then it was Argentina, now it’s India.
when the rules for entry of foreign law firms are clear
Yeah, when they are clear. They are staffing up before the rules are clear. Great idea!
They are gonna get badly and brutally burnt. There is no need for ALL of them to rush in with their services. There are no services to be provided by ALL of them. Some will undoubtedly succeed but most will get the livin’ daylights pounded out of them.
What wise men do first, fools do at the end.
India’s advantage, of course, is that English is widely spoken. It’s really difficult to perform US legal services without a good command of English.
When I first became a patent attorney in 1996, the path to riches was open to me. Too bad they started outsourcing so much prosecution work to India.
One more thing.
In Massachusetts, there was a case in the state supreme court challenging the requirement to have an attorney do the title search and some other document stuff. The decision came back against the lawyers. This is a huge blow to the local town lawyers.
This should entertain you guys:
A neighbor of mine (FB type) recently got foreclosed on. Good thing he has a stable job, though. He takes back foreclosed houses! Hahahahahahahah.
This is dynamite!
You know what Leigh would say…. You can’t make this stuff up!
Can one “take back” his own house?
And if so, does it go on your record in HR?
packman, re:S&P earnings in the ’70s, thanks for the link, and I apologize for being snippy yesterday. My point was simply that the numbers you were quoting were earnings yields, ie earnings divided by share price, and since share prices were very low in the ’70s, it’s not impressive to say that earnings yields were high.
No worries. Actually I didn’t know that myself until looking it up, and I didn’t take your remarks as snippy (as I hope you didn’t take my responses).
It is interesting info. Surprisingly during the recessions in the in the 1970’s and 1980’s GDP continued expanding at over 5% a year all along (though not “real GDP” which is adjusted per-capita), and was over 10% per year for much of the time even. But that was offset by inflation of course.
Here’s a visual.
Amazingly we had extremely high GDP growth during the supposedly stagnant 70’s.
Don’t you want to reference real GDP?
That graph puts today’s announcement of a 13.4% YOY decline in output in perspective, as only 1946 and 1932 had comparable declines in output. Take heart, though, as I believe 1933 was a great year to own stocks!
No, because that doesn’t illustrate my point - that non-inflation-adjusted GDP actually rose quite fast in the 1970’s. It’s only after adjusting for inflation (GDPCA) that GDP wasn’t so good (though it actually wasn’t that bad either).
packman — Got it. We are on the same page. I am thinking RGDP will be worse this time around, due to the low marginal return on capital in the aftermath of a collapsed bubble.
If my real GDP post comes through, you will see some data that backs up Martin Wolf’s assertion.
Financial Times
The recession tracks the Great Depression
By Martin Wolf
Published: June 16 2009 19:41 | Last updated: June 16 2009 19:41
Green shoots are bursting out. Or so we are told. But before concluding that the recession will soon be over, we must ask what history tells us. It is one of the guides we have to our present predicament. Fortunately, we do have the data. Unfortunately, the story they tell is an unhappy one.
Two economic historians, Barry Eichengreen of the University of California at Berkeley and Kevin O’Rourke of Trinity College, Dublin, have provided pictures worth more than a thousand words (see charts).* In their paper, Profs Eichengreen and O’Rourke date the beginning of the current global recession to April 2008 and that of the Great Depression to June 1929. So what are their conclusions on where we are a little over a year into the recession? The bad news is that this recession fully matches the early part of the Great Depression. The good news is that the worst can still be averted.
FWIW - there are two big differences though:
1. The Keynesian stimulus is much quicker this time.
2. We are starting off from a much worse standpoint debt-wise this time.
I think the results will be:
- The initial crash of this depression won’t be as harsh as GD1.
- The length and depth of this depression will likely be worse than GD1. I dare say there’s some chance we simply won’t exit this depression without a wholesale change in our political and economic structure; a much more likely scenario that GD1.
“scenario
thatGD1″“scenario than GD1″
“and I apologize for being snippy yesterday.”
I was just going to mention that everyday I am in a ‘critical care’ mood of crabbiness.
anybody else?
36 South Starts Hyperinflation Bet After Black Swan…
June 16 (Bloomberg) — 36 South Investment Managers Ltd., whose Black Swan Fund gained 234 percent in 2008, is raising money for a new hedge fund, betting that government efforts to pump money into economies could result in hyperinflation.
The Excelsior Fund targets returns that will be five times the average annual rate of inflation of the Group of Five economies — France, Germany, Japan, the U.K. and the U.S. — should the rate exceed 5 percent, Jerry Haworth, co-founder of the firm, said yesterday. Raising $100 million for the fund would be a “good” amount, he said.
“There is a sharply increased risk of greater than 5 percent inflation starting from now,” Haworth said in a telephone interview from London. “We are in the lag period between when the seeds of inflation are sown and when their off- spring, that is higher prices, are evident for all to see.”
U.S. President Barack Obama is selling record amounts of debt to try to end the steepest U.S. recession in 50 years, while Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso has unveiled three stimulus packages worth 25 trillion yen ($261 billion) since taking office in September. Governments around the world selling record amounts of debt may devalue currencies against assets and spark inflation.
Most investors are underestimating the risk of inflation, Haworth said. Consumer prices in the U.S., the world’s largest economy, are set to rise 1.7 percent next year, following a 0.6 percent decline this year, according to the median of 70 economists surveyed by Bloomberg.
Inflation Risk
“There is certainly talk about inflation but people might think of inflation at 5 percent or 6 percent,” Zimbabwean-born Haworth said. “We’re talking 5, 10, 15, 20 percent or more.”
Investor Marc Faber said on May 27 he was “100 percent sure” that U.S. prices may increase at rates “close to” Zimbabwe’s gains, and the U.S. economy will enter “hyperinflation” because the Federal Reserve will be reluctant to raise interest rates. Zimbabwe’s inflation rate reached 231 million percent in July, the last annual rate published by the statistics office.
I know there are some law types on HBB… is it really this bad?
NYTimes
Unemployed and Struggling Lawyers Seek Solace
This was not supposed to happen. The path: become a star in college, get into a top law school, make law review, then take the job at a cushy law firm (maybe after a clerkship or two). Life was supposed to be a regimented ladder to the vacation home, insulated against economic down and up cycles.
Until now.
The recent wave of legal layoffs, rescinded job offers, and even bankruptcies has created the ugliest market for lawyers — particularly in Wall Street-fueled New York City — in more than a quarter century. The bankruptcy opportunities that were supposed to be anti-cyclical to the mergers-and-acquisitions work never materialized.
Thus, on Tuesday, the ornate wood-paneled meeting room of the New York City Bar Association was flooded with 200 unemployed and underemployed risk-averse people. (Law is a field where optimism is not a career booster.)
Still equipped with their BlackBerrys and laptops, Manolo Blahniks and $3,000 suits, they traded stories about “transitioning” and shared their dates of notice against a backdrop of velvet drapes and portraits of Supreme Court justices. Collectively, they wondered, now what?
Among the recent law graduates and the almost-partners was a sense of bitterness, resignation and even smidgens of hope. “There is a whole cohort of young lawyers who feel like the rug has been pulled out from under them,” said Brian Dalton, the managing editor of Vault.com, a career Web site that co-sponsored the daylong program at the New York City Bar Association, called “Getting Back in the Game: How to Restart Your Career in a Down Economy.”
Will the latter-day version of Keynes turn out to be Chinese?
Just added to my “unread paper collection”:
Speculative Bubbles and Financial Crisis
Pengfei Wang and Yi Wen
Working Paper 2009-029A
June 2009
FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF ST. LOUIS
Research Division
Why are asset prices so much more volatile and so often detached from their fundamentals? Why does the burst of financial bubbles depress the real economy? This paper addresses these questions by constructing an infinite-horizon heterogeneous-agent general-equilibrium model with speculative bubbles.
We show that agents are willing to invest in asset bubbles even though they have positive probability to burst. We prove that any storable goods, regardless of their intrinsic values, may give birth to bubbles
with market prices far exceeding their fundamental values. We also show that perceived changes in the bubbles’ probability to bust can generate boom-bust cycles and produce asset price movements that are
many times more volatile than the economy’s fundamentals, as in the data.
Keywords: Asset Price Volatility, Boom-Bust Cycles, Financial Crisis, Speculative Bubbles, Sunspots, Tulip Mania.
JEL Codes: E21, E22, E32, E44, E63.
1949….It was one of the two years since 1940 the United States saw DEFLATION…as measure by the Consumer Price Index. The other year of price deflation was 1955.
Today, another little whiff of deflation is in the air. Compared to one year ago the Producer Price Index is DOWN 5 percent. However, it’s too soon to bet on deflation. In fact, the majority of economic guessers confidently declare that terrible inflation is in store. Which scenario are YOU prepared for?
June 16 (Bloomberg) — Industrial production in the U.S. fell in May for the 16th time in the last 17 months, reflecting declines in consumer goods and business equipment that signals the manufacturing slump remains broad-based. The amount of industrial capacity in use dropped to a record-low 68.3 percent. (Let’s hope everyone remembers that what’s going on in the economy right now is a correction which entails a serious slump in business as consumers try to get their finances in order. This correction has been years in the making and won’t be cleared up quickly.)
BUT!!!! American Bankers Association advisors say the recession will end sometime before the end of September! However, high unemployment and big federal deficits will continue to be millstones around our necks. “The economy will return to growth but not to health,” said Bruce Kasman, chairman of the economic advisory committee and chief economist for JPMorgan Chase in New York.
Thanks Mr. Kasman. We’re making a note of your hopeful prediction and will give you full credit for the call if the recession ends in the 3rd quarter.
Politicians won’t allow stimulus money to be withdrawn until things are booming again. But, by then, it will be too late.
Politicians are feckless and venal. It’s their nature. I think that’s what the prognosticators are betting on.
ITEM: An Obama administration official says the Treasury will propose the creation of a regulatory agency to protect consumers in their credit, savings and other banking transactions.
< The Nanny State will go to great lengths and spare no expense to create as many czars and regulatory agencies as necessary to protect the ignorant consumer. We look forward to the day a government agent will be assigned to every household to supervise the management of family budgets.
I’m not sure of the need for a personal czar assigned to supervise family budgets (that’s going a bit far - maybe a neighborhood czar would be more appropriate.), but if Obama were to add some type of personal finance course as a requirement for public high school students, I don’t think it would be a bad thing.
“if Obama were to add some type of personal finance course as a requirement for public high school students, I don’t think it would be a bad thing”.
I thought finance, personal and otherwise was already being taught in schools. Not that it is making much difference.
It certainly should start long before high school.
I had it in My high school many years ago…its was originally Home Ec, but then they changed it to a more bland sounding Life Skills Class.
But you are right, and make it mandatory for passing high school.
Yes, with the parents by slapping them when they get uppity to buy the “latest” gee-gaw.
My parents did that. It learned me right-quick.
My dad never slapped me, but after around 12, if I wanted something that was beyond the food and jeans category, he’d give me work to do at 25c/hr.
I bought a Grumman canoe (new) at age 15 with a box of 1,296 quarters (silver). Odd, how I remember the exact price.
HAHA, my mom was a Home Ec teacher. My whole childhood was an economics class.
HAHA, my mom was a Home Ec teacher. My whole childhood was an economics class.
Really?! Does that mean you can sew a gingham apron with 3 different kinds of pockets?!
I bet it does, huh huh!
That’s ne*at-o.
I can. I wouldn’t even blush.
And I could do it by hand not with, gasp, a freakin’ machine.
But with Chindia online, why bother?
BORING. NEXT.
BORING. NEXT.
Oh, yeah? Well, stuff your ‘Boring. next’ into your new ravioli maker, Mr. Man!
I’m talking about fancy pockets on this putative and hypothetical gingham apron.
A zipper pocket, and a snap-button one, and a velcro one, and probably some other kind of one, Mr. ‘I-R-Sewey Pants’.
yes they are, and the step graduated,went in the service and right into debt LOL
You ars right Mr. dog, we only have 46.7 billion in the department of education budget, I think Obama should throw in another czar in charge of personal finance courses for high school students, congressman and senators.
$1.7 Million for little over an acre. You get the swimming pool, foundation, and chimney, but no house. What a steal!
sacbee.com/business/story/1943350.html
Notorious lot in Arden Oaks goes up for sale
By Bob Shallit
sacbee.com
Published: Saturday, Jun. 13, 2009 - 12:00 am
“Businessman Larry Cassidy bought the property – at 1821 Maple Glen Road – in 1994 and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars creating what he says is “the most manicured estate – without a house – in Arden Oaks.”
He has hosted parties there and at one point intended to build a new home atop the original foundation.
“I had a girlfriend and we were going to have six kids and live there,” says Cassidy, “but that didn’t work out.”
Last week, the president of Northern California Collection Service Inc. put the lot on the market, listing it with Lyon Real Estate. A buyer gets a ready-for-construction foundation (with two still-standing chimneys), plus a secluded yard that includes a pool, hot tub, fruit trees, pond and an outdoor barbecue area shaded by grape arbors.”
Apparently, Sacha Baron Cohen lured Ron Paul into the interview for the movie Brüno by telling him they were going to talk about “Austrian Economics”.
This is gonna be hilariously awesome!
Apparently, Sacha Baron Cohen lured Ron Paul into the interview for the movie Brüno by telling him they were going to talk about “Austrian Economics”.
Truly? Truly?
I don’t think I’ve ever read anything that pleased me more.
He (= RP) walked about because Cohen stripped before he wanted to talk about it.
It features RP saying something like, “This guy is queer” numerous times.
Pretty much nails the k00ks down.
It’s gonna be awesome!
*testy *
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Obama-US-Not-Overregulating-cnbc-15541585.html?sec=topStories&pos=1&asset=&ccode=
Obama: US Not Overregulating
In other news, Pamela Anderson is no longer overly plasticized.
46 million?The Myth of the 46 Million
By Philip Klein on 3.20.09 @ 6:10AM
“Even for folks who are weathering this economic storm, and have health care right now,” President Obama said at this month’s White House health care summit, “all it takes is one stroke of bad luck — an accident or an illness, a divorce, a lost job — to become one of the nearly 46 million uninsured…”
Whether it’s in political speeches, commentary, newspaper features, or hard news stories, the statistic of 46 million uninsured is one of the most-widely cited numbers in the health care debate. It promotes the idea that nearly one out of every six Americans does not have access to health care and it plays into the arguments of those calling for massive expansion of government to fix the problem. Yet the ubiquitous figure is highly misleading.
To be clear, the statistic is not pulled out of thin air. It comes from an annual report by the Census Bureau, which most recently pegged the number of uninsured at 45.7 million for 2007. But the problem lies in the way the statistic is commonly cited and understood.
For starters, the statistic does not mean that there are “46 million uninsured Americans,” as the New York Times reported in a recent story on health care, and as is echoed throughout the media. Just a quick look inside the Census Bureau data shows that 9.7 million of the uninsured are not citizens of the United States. Liberals can argue that we still have a moral duty to cover non-citizens, but this doesn’t change the fact that as a matter of accuracy, the Census data only tells us that 36 million Americans are uninsured.
But this doesn’t fully convey the problematic nature of the 46-million statistic. As even the authors of the Census Bureau report themselves acknowledge, “health insurance coverage is likely to be underreported” in the Current Population Survey from which the health insurance data is derived. The reason is that respondents are asked in February through April about their health coverage status in the previous calendar year. Some may answer the question as intended, but others may cite their current insurance status, and others may say they were without insurance even if they only spent a portion of the year without coverage.
“[T]he estimate of the number of people without health insurance,” according to the report, “more closely approximates the number of people who are uninsured at a specific point in time during the year than the number of people uninsured for the entire year.”
In reality, a person who goes without coverage for a few months while between jobs is in a completely different boat from somebody who is permanently without insurance. But the broad citation of the headline figure would have you believe that there are literally 46 million people who never, ever, have coverage.
How many people actually spend the whole year without health insurance? It’s difficult to say, and recent data is hard to come by. But in 2003, the Congressional Budget Office took a stab at answering the question, and looked at two studies from 1998 that conducted interviews multiple times over the course of the survey period. One study pegged the number of people who were uninsured for the entire year at 31 million, while another put it even lower, at 21 million. In either case, the number was significantly lower than it was in 1998’s Current Population Survey, which found 43.9 million uninsured.
Another problem with citing the 46-million figure is that many of those who are identified as uninsured are actually eligible for existing government programs but simply never bothered to enroll. In 2003, a BlueCross BlueShield Association study estimated that about 14 million of the uninsured were eligible for Medicaid and SCHIP. These people would be signed up for government insurance if they ever made it to the emergency room.
In addition, some of the 46 million could theoretically afford health coverage, but chose not to purchase any. In 2007, 17.6 million of the uninsured had annual incomes of more than $50,000 and 9.1 million earned more than $75,000. In fact, as Sally Pipes notes in the Top Ten Myths of American Health Care: A Citizen’s Guide, those making more than $75,000 per year are part of the fastest growing segment of the uninsured population.
The Census figures also show that 18.3 million of the uninsured were under 34. Some in this age group may have simply determined that they are young and healthy and thus can do without coverage.
When all of these factors are put together, the 2003 BlueCross BlueShield study determined that 8.2 million Americans are actually without coverage for the long haul, because they are too poor to purchase health care but earn too much to qualify for government assistance. Even being without insurance still doesn’t mean they won’t have access to care, because federal law forbids hospitals from denying treatment to patients who show up at the emergency rooms.
This exercise isn’t about downplaying the problems facing the American health care system, but a necessary part of devising the proper remedies. Under current state laws, mandates force insurers to provide certain benefits, meaning that young and healthy Americans must choose between paying exorbitant premiums to cover treatments that they don’t need or going without health insurance. Many of these so-called “young invincibles” who are included in the ranks of the uninsured could be wooed into the market were they allowed to purchase catastrophic insurance with lower monthly premiums.
Right now, the tax code exempts people from paying taxes on health care benefits purchased through their employer, while denying the same tax advantages to individuals. Ending this discrimination would make health care more affordable to those who are self-employed or not covered through their workplace. In addition, this would allow Americans to have health care policies that are portable, so it would reduce the gaps in coverage people can face when they quit or lose a job.
Those pushing for a major government intervention in health care are distorting the 46-million statistic to boost their cause, and by disseminating it so widely without further elaboration, the media is rigging the game in their favor.
1949….It was one of the two years since 1940 the United States saw DEFLATION…as measure by the Consumer Price Index. The other year of price deflation was 1955.
Today, another little whiff of deflation is in the air. Compared to one year ago the Producer Price Index is DOWN 5 percent. However, it’s too soon to bet on deflation. In fact, the majority of economic guessers confidently declare that terrible inflation is in store. Which scenario are YOU prepared for?
June 16 (Bloomberg) — Industrial production in the U.S. fell in May for the 16th time in the last 17 months, reflecting declines in consumer goods and business equipment that signals the manufacturing slump remains broad-based. The amount of industrial capacity in use dropped to a record-low 68.3 percent. (Let’s hope everyone remembers that what’s going on in the economy right now is a correction which entails a serious slump in business as consumers try to get their finances in order. This correction has been years in the making and won’t be cleared up quickly.)
BUT!!!! American Bankers Association advisors say the recession will end sometime before the end of September! However, high unemployment and big federal deficits will continue to be millstones around our necks. “The economy will return to growth but not to health,” said Bruce Kasman, chairman of the economic advisory committee and chief economist for JPMorgan Chase in New York.
Thanks Mr. Kasman. We’re making a note of your hopeful prediction and will give you full credit for the call if the recession ends in the 3rd quarter.
The agency that could not see the housing bubble before it loudly popped is going to have primary responsibility for monitoring and stemming systemic risk. Good luck with that plan…
Financial Times
New rules put Fed in hot seat
By Krishna Guha in Washington
Published: June 16 2009 20:39 | Last updated: June 16 2009 23:02
President Barack Obama will reveal plans on Wednesday for a new system of US financial regulation that gives the Federal Reserve primary responsibility for averting future financial crises.
Mr Obama will also announce plans for the creation of a council of regulators and a new consumer protection regulator. He is expected to call for the elimination of the Office of Thrift Supervision, one of the nation’s bank regulators.
But the administration will not attempt a more far-reaching consolidation of regulators due to the political difficulties involved. Instead, the plan proposes rule changes to limit the capacity of institutions to choose their regulator.
Mr Obama will propose giving the Fed powers to address the build-up of risks that threaten the system as a whole, with a focus on core institutions and financial markets. It will not require that the Fed seek approval from the council of regulators to act against systemic risks. The new systemic risk powers for the Fed will be accompanied by tougher capital requirements for banks – particularly the most important banks – and moves to strengthen the infrastructure of core financial markets.
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How about we put the fox in a cage, instead of giving him the keys to the henhouse.
Translation: Impeach Obama, and put the Fed crew that has just ripped off the U.S. taxpayer to the tune of trillions, in prison.
Maybe they could make me the Payback Czar?
blank zombie stare.
I miss the good old days when I lost my net worth in the stock market because this is worse and reminds me of ’saving private ryan’. The part with the knife and the rib cage.
Man, no kidding, you ARE kinda high-strung today!
That’s okay. I still like you.
Even though it turns out you’re a girl, and you’re a high-strung girl who thinks about knives and rib-cages and zombies and brooms and stuff.
*makes soothing gestures in the air wafting towards where you are, where-ever you are *
I had one beer yesterday.
man, I won’t do that again.
The agency that could not see the housing bubble before it loudly popped is going to have primary responsibility for monitoring and stemming systemic risk. Good luck with that plan…
I’m not so much concerned with the fact that they didn’t see it coming - moreso with the fact that they actually caused it, purposely.
The whole premise of the very *creation* of the Federal Reserve was to counteract the early 1900’s “money trust”. That… um… didn’t work out so well I’m thinking.
(but pardon me - on to the next dead horse
)
What was in it for the Fed to cause the housing bubble? Why would anyone (Alan Greenspan in particular) want to have this as their legacy?
I should clarify - I didn’t say that they/he knew that they were causing a bubble - just that they caused it, and it wasn’t an accident. When it was done, it was viewed as causing a “boom”. It’s only known as a bubble in hindsight.
From Graham Summers:
We will bottom WHEN:
* CNBC and Bloomberg start firing anchors and cutting their coverage time by hours, not minutes.
* Maria Bartiromo and Jim Cramer start telling investors to short the market with all they’ve got.
* Questions like “do you think we’re heading for a recovery” result in the questioner getting punched in the face or ignored like a loony tune.
* People HATE stocks and stock ownership has plummeted back to one in ten Americans (the pre-401(k) levels).
* Investing is no longer a hobby and people fight tooth and nail to retain their nest egg (honestly what the hell is “play” or “speculative” money?)
* The number of mutual funds has fallen by at least half (why are we paying fees for people who can’t beat the market?).
* People no longer want to get an MBA to become a broker or a financial advisor.
* Our economy is based on “making something,” not “offering advice.”
* Books about Warren Buffett no longer comprise an entire publishing industry (seriously, Amazon lists 5,000+ books on him).
* The Richest 500 people in the world are no longer all billionaires (never happened before in history… how’s that for concentration of wealth?)
* Guys like me are no longer writing about finance or investing but instead take up a respectable profession.
My wife is more worried about crime in the Clear Lake area of Houston than she was in mid cities Dallas/Ft Worth.
We used to live in a suburban dallas cul de sac where the only problems were rowdy lake seekers getting lost and driving fast trying to escape our development with only one entrance road.
http://www.ktrh.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=121300&article=5609918
Authorities Ready to Launch Warrant Round Up in Houston
Now we find out that her feeling was correct. There are 550,000 people with warrants out for them in the Houston municipal court area, and over 1,000,000 warrants outstanding around here. The police are threatening to actually go to the suspects homes of record or businesses and attempt to arrest them.
This “trying to find the scoflaws” idea might be new here, but I think it might have originated overseas in the 1800s…
Billy Beer anyone?
Obama’s half-brother George signs book deal
Twitter
New York, June 16 (DPA) US President Barack Obama’s half-brother, George Obama, is working on a book to be published by Simon & Schuster, the US publishing giant said in a statement Monday.
George Obama, 27, is the youngest of the seven children born to Obama’s father in Kenya and was recently arrested there for marijuana possession. The two Obamas have different mothers and never met until Obama visited Kenya in 1987.
The book is tentatively titled Homeland and is scheduled for publication in January 2010. It will be co-written by Damien Lewis, author of the books Apache Dawn, Cobra Gold, Operation Certain Death, Bloody Heroes, Slave and Desert Claw.
‘Even had George Obama not been our president’s half brother, his story is moving and inspirational,’ said Simon & Schuster publisher David Rosenthal. ‘It is an object lesson in survival, selflessness and courage.’
The publishing deal makes George the fourth member of the Obama clan to sign a book deal in recent months. Shortly before his inauguration, Obama signed a deal for a teenage version of his best-selling book Dreams From My Father.
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
Are housing starts a sign of the bottom?
A construction worker measures a window
After a dismal April, home construction did surprisingly well in May, depending on how you look at the numbers. So is the bottom of the housing market here? Dan Grech reports.
A construction worker measures a window as he works on a new home at the Olson Homes Garden Walk development in Hayward, Calif. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)
Kai Ryssdal: This is going to sound like a rhetorical question, but I promise I’m being completely serious. If a given economic indicator has been abysmal for months, then how big a deal is it that said indicator has become less abysmal? The housing news today is one of those ‘depends on how you look at it’ stories. After a dismal April, home construction did surprisingly well in May. But that’s really only half the story as Marketplace’s Dan Grech explains.
DAN GRECH: The May figures show the biggest rise in housing starts came in the regions hardest hit by the housing bust. Economist Edward Leamer says the biggest jumps were in the West and the South.
EDWARD LEAMER: And that’s suggestive that we’re at or near the bottom right now and makes us hopeful that the official recession will end in the middle of the summer.
Got REIC funding, Ed?
BwaHaHaHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!!
FORECLOSURE SALES STEADILY CLIMBING
Despite Increases, Lenders Voluntarily Delaying 73 Percent of Scheduled Foreclosures
Discovery Bay, CA, June 16, 2009 – ForeclosureRadar (www.foreclosureradar.com), the only website
that tracks every California foreclosure, and provides daily auction updates, issued its monthly
California Foreclosure Report for May 2009. Foreclosures sales jumped 31.9 percent in May, following
a 35 percent increase the prior month. Notices of Trustee Sale, which set the auction date and time, also
rose a significant 42 percent from April, indicating that foreclosure sales are likely to continue to rise in
the weeks and months ahead. Despite these increases, and a record number of foreclosures scheduled for
auction, lenders continue to voluntarily postpone the majority of foreclosure sales.
High-level findings for May 2009 include:
o Notices of Default, which are the first step in the foreclosure process, fell 4.2 percent from April
to 40,870 filings. Year-over-year filings were down 3.1 percent from May of 2008.
o Notices of Trustee Sale filings reached a new record level in May with 41,959 filings,
representing an increase of 42 percent from April. Filings were 24.1 percent higher than a year
earlier, and 7.6 percent higher than the previous record set in July of 2008.
o Foreclosures taken to sale at auction reached 17,871, a 31.9 percent increase from the prior
month, but 30 percent lower than a year earlier. Though loan values represented a total of $8.01
Billion in May, 83 percent of the sales were taken to auction with a discounted opening bid that
averaged just 58.6 percent of the loan value.
o The majority of foreclosure sales continue to be taken back by the lender, with 87.9 percent, or
15,599 sales, with a total loan value of $6.98 Billion, taken back by the lender in May.
o Third party foreclosure auction sales continued to increase substantially to a total of 2,272, an
increase of 39 percent from the prior month, and a significant 228.3 percent increase from May
2008. More than half of third party sales occurred in just five counties: Los Angeles, San Diego,
Orange, Riverside and Sacramento.
“While many complain that lenders are foreclosing too aggressively, and others claim a wave of
foreclosures sales is imminent, the data actually shows that lenders are doing everything possible to
delay foreclosure,” says Sean O’Toole, founder and CEO of ForeclosureRadar. “The reality is that we
have very few homeowners being foreclosed on when viewed as a percentage of those scheduled to be
foreclosed on, in default, delinquent, or upside down in their mortgage.”
As the only service that tracks every foreclosure auction throughout the state, ForeclosureRadar is
uniquely able to see not only how many foreclosures were initiated, but also the current status of those
foreclosures and their ultimate outcomes, whether postponed, cancelled or sold. By the end of May we
had a record 111,824 foreclosures scheduled for sale, yet just 15.9 percent were actually sold, versus
49.2 percent of scheduled foreclosures being sold a year earlier. Further, when sales peaked in July 2008
at levels 61 percent higher than those reached in May 2009, there were only 64,598 foreclosures
scheduled for sale, 42.2 percent fewer than today.
Of those foreclosures currently scheduled, 40 percent are being postponed to a future date at the
lenders request, and another 33 percent are being postponed based on the mutual agreement of lender
and borrower, clearly demonstrating that lenders are indeed delaying foreclosure in the majority of cases
on their own accord. Specifically note that lenders were under no obligation in May to offer a loan
modification program, short sale, or other resolution, and that these efforts would have resulted in a
cancellation of the sale rather than a postponement. May saw just 6 percent of scheduled foreclosures
cancelled, the lowest percentage of cancellations we have on record.
American Public Media
Marketplace
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
Exploring the rational market theory
Justin Fox
Time’s Justin Fox talks with Kai Ryssdal about why so many people once believed in the rational market theory, which suggests that the stock market knows what it’s doing and is always right, and what the next economic model might look like.
Time magazine columnist and author Justin Fox (Allison Downing/harpercollins.com)
* “The Myth of the Rational Market: A History of Risk, Reward, and Delusion on Wall Street”
(I note that the Amazon purchase price for a new copy has already crashed from $27.99 to $17.83.
Kai Ryssdal: It may not be what you want to hear in the middle of the worst recession in 75 years, but the market? It has no idea what it’s doing. Believe it or not that’s a fairly recent discovery. There was a model that dominated economics for almost 40 years. It’s called the rational market theory. And what it said, in a very brief nutshell, is that the market is always right. That if the Dow closes at 8500 on a Friday and falls 300 points the following Monday, that’s what’s supposed to happen because the market is rational. It sounds crazy, I know, but it is a really important concept. And to explain why we’ve called Time Magazine columnist Justin Fox. His new book is called “The Myth of the Rational Market.”
Barron’s
TUESDAY, JUNE 16, 2009
INVESTORS’ SOAPBOX PM
GDP Gets a Boost From Housing Bottom
MKM Partners sees the GDP turning positive in the second half of 2009.
MKM Partners
SINGLE-FAMILY HOUSING starts and permits rose 7.5% and 7.9% month over month, respectively, in May. Single-family starts have now risen in each of the last three months after more than an 80% peak-to-trough decline, the largest in history.
Although some will dismiss the recent rise because it is coming off an incredibly depressed base, this is precisely the point: With new-home sales having bottomed in January, housing starts have likely fallen enough to establish a durable bottom in construction spending. This will remove a major drag from the gross domestic product going forward. While it will take time for home prices to bottom (they tend to lag sales), we believe they will begin to level out later in 2009.
Every major bottom in single-family home starts was followed either by a pickup in broad-based economic activity or an exit from a recession. We expect both to take shape as the second half of 2009 unfolds.
There has been a significant amount of fear over rising mortgage rates recently, but we think this should be put into context. Mortgage rates are still at incredibly low levels on a historical basis, while home prices have fallen below mean levels with respect to median incomes and rents.
Conclusion: Mortgage rates have nowhere to go but up.
How about the Fed folk do a bit more blogging so we can tell them when a bubble is forming? The wisdom of crowds can go a long way towards eradicating high muckamuck group think. And while they are at it, how about they abolish the plunge protection team, so the markets can once again properly price in risk? And it wouldn’t hurt to abolish the FHA/FNM/FRE mortgage guarantees, as the mortgage market cannot properly price in default risk with all that subsidized insurance backing up the lenders.
The three steps to financial reform
By George Soros , Financial Times, 16 Jun 2009
The Obama administration is expected on Wednesday to propose a reorganisation of the way we regulate financial markets. I am not an advocate of too much regulation. Having gone too far in deregulating – which contributed to the current crisis – we must resist the temptation to go too far in the opposite direction. While markets are imperfect, regulators are even more so. Not only are they human, they are also bureaucratic and subject to political influences, therefore regulations should be kept to a minimum.
Three principles should guide reform. First, since markets are bubble-prone, regulators must accept responsibility for preventing bubbles from growing too big. Alan Greenspan, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve, and others have expressly refused that responsibility. If markets cannot recognise bubbles, they argued, neither can regulators. They were right and yet the authorities must accept the assignment, even knowing that they are bound to be wrong. They will, however, have the benefit of feedback from the markets so they can and must continually recalibrate to correct their mistakes.
Second, to control asset bubbles it is not enough to control the money supply; we must also control the availability of credit. This cannot be done with monetary tools alone – we must also use credit controls such as margin requirements and minimum capital requirements. Currently these tend to be fixed irrespective of the market’s mood. Part of the authorities’ job is to counteract these moods. Margin and minimum capital requirements should be adjusted to suit market conditions. Regulators should vary the loan-to-value ratio on commercial and residential mortgages for risk-weighting purposes to forestall real estate bubbles.
Third, we must reconceptualise the meaning of market risk. The efficient market hypothesis postulates that markets tend towards equilibrium and deviations occur in a random fashion; moreover, markets are supposed to function without any discontinuity in the sequence of prices. Under these conditions market risks can be equated with the risks affecting individual market participants. As long as they manage their risks properly, regulators ought to be happy.
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Suppose his success last year turns out to have been a black swan?
Wall Street Journal
* JUNE 17, 2009
Black Swan Trader Bets Reputation on Inflation
By SCOTT PATTERSON
Mark Spitznagel made a fortune predicting the “black swan” that hit markets last year. Now the relatively unknown hedge-fund manager is emerging from the shadow of his collaborator, Nassim Nicholas Taleb, with a big bet inflation will soar.
The 38-year old Mr. Spitznagel managed the Black Swan funds to triple digit returns last year with a bet on volatility. The returns have brought a flood of cash, sending assets for his firm, Universa Investments LP, rising to $6 billion from $300 million.
But, for all the gains, Mr. Spitznagel is still far less known than “Black Swan” author Mr. Taleb, who invests in the funds and helps shape their strategies but doesn’t manage the money.
[Mark Spitznagel] Susan Hall
Mark Spitznagel sees economic stimulus efforts spurring inflation.
“Black swan” alludes to the once-widespread belief that all swans are white — proved false when European explorers found black swans in Australia. A black-swan event is something extreme and highly unexpected.
Wall Street Journal
* OPINION: POLITICAL DIARY
* JUNE 16, 2009, 12:11 A.M. ET
Schwarzenegger Gets Radical
Terminating the California Income Tax
California’s Arnold Schwarzenegger shocked nearly everyone in Sacramento last week when he endorsed a flat tax for the state. Or did he? His exact statement was that a “15% straight tax” is “the radical, daring kind of a proposal that I want to see on the table.”
Gulp. 15 percent! The top tax rate right now is only 10.5%. When I asked the governor’s press office about the statement, they assured me, “The governor has not decided on a specific rate. He has only said he likes the concept of a flat tax.”
To make sure the point was entirely clarified, Mr. Schwarzenegger sent me an email on Thursday, in which he explained: “The way we collect revenues in California is so broken that we must look at every bold proposal out there, no matter how daring or radical — including the idea of a flat tax. California’s budget is so volatile because the top 1 percent of taxpayers provide 50 percent of all our personal income tax revenues, so we set up a commission to give us ideas, and a flat tax is absolutely an idea that must be on the table with many others.”
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Is Citibank the next shoe to drop? And if so, will it collapse outright like Bear or Lehman, or will it get carved up into small-enough-to-fail Villagebanks?
The Too-Big-to-Fail Problem
6/15/2009
The Treasury gave ten banks the greenlight to repay borrowed government money. One name missing from the list: Citigroup. The Journal Editorial Report panel discusses whether Citi is too big to fail.
Dumb question of the day:
Will Obama end too-big-to-fail, or is the plan to expand the program, since it has done such a good job of creating periodic financial catastrophes over the past three decades that have greatly enriched disaster capitalists who serve as reliable sources of campaign finances?
It sounds like the plan is to consolidate the Board’s power and weaken the regional Fed banks. The result be a less independent, more inflation-oriented Fed.
Corrected: Obama plan urges review of Fed system: document
Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:47pm EDT
Corrects paragraph 10 to say “unusual and exigent” instead of “undue and exigent”
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration’s regulatory reform plan calls for a review of the Federal Reserve System’s structure, which the U.S. Treasury would then consider to propose possible changes, according to a document obtained by Reuters on Tuesday.
“We propose a comprehensive review of the ways in which the structure and governance of the Federal Reserve System affect its ability to accomplish its existing and proposed functions,” the document states.
It said the review would be led by the central bank’s Washington-based board and would take a look at the governance of the 12 regional Fed banks and their role in financial supervision. The Fed would be called upon to propose recommendations by October 1, the document said.
The document said that once the Fed issues a report, the Treasury would consider the recommendations and propose “any changes to the governance and structure of the Federal Reserve that are appropriate to improve its accountability and its capacity to achieve it statutory responsibilities.”
The 85-page document details wide-ranging proposals to revamp U.S. financial regulation, and proposes the Fed become a “systemic risk” regulator to keep tabs on large firms and emerging financial threats that could hit the entire economy.
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I heard a snippet of a press conference or something he held today where he stated that the time has come for us to end our tendency to solve one bubble by creating another.
I don’t disagree but good luck with that, especially when the actions haven’t matched the words and the actions seem to largely be dictated by those with the dollars.
How is this going to work if the super-duper-bubble-blower is appointed systemic risk regulator in chief?
Jun 16, 2009, 9:31 p.m. EST
Fed may become systemic regulator, hike capital requirements
Office of Thrift Supervision to become part of larger ‘National Bank Supervisor’
By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — President Barack Obama will propose Wednesday to make the Federal Reserve into a consolidated supervisor of large, systemically vital financial institutions and require higher capital standards and more scrutiny of banks’ activities because of the risk to the system if they collapse, according to a senior administration official Tuesday.
He has to pay lip service to ending economic management through the “three B’s” (bubbles, busts and bailouts), but read his lips: If he is appointing Bernanke as super regulator, can he be serious?
Amen, sleepless. What a windsock he is. Sure talks a good game and the Elmer Fudd Nation falls for it, hook, line and stinker.
Good rule of thumb: Look, don’t listen. See what he actually DOES, not what he says.
Asia Times Online
Jun 16, 2009
Page 1 of 3
CREDIT BUBBLE BULLETIN
No conundrum, again
Commentary and weekly watch by Doug Noland
Ten-year Treasury yields traded briefly above 4.0% this week for the first time since last October. Benchmark mortgage-backed security (MBS) yields jumped as high as 5.12%, up from 3.94% as recently as May 20. Long-bond yields reached the highest (4.76%) since October 2007.
Despite a near zero Fed funds rate and about US$25 billion of weekly MBS purchases by the US Federal Reserve, yields have surprised the marketplace on the upside. Those of the bullish persuasion are content to see rising yields as confirmation of economic recovery. Others are referring to another “conundrum.” It is worth noting that 10-year Treasury yields were about 20 basis points (bps) higher than their German counterparts at the end of last week, after trading near 20 bps lower only a month ago.
When the Alan Greenspan Fed finally nudged up the funds rate from 1% to 1.25% at the end of June 2004, MBS yields were trading at about 5.5%. By the end of 2005, after Fed funds had been hiked 325 bps to 4.50%, benchmark MBS yields had increased only 30 bps to 5.80%. Mortgage and housing bubbles continued to gain strong momentum. Greenspan began referring to the low bond yield “conundrum” - the phenomena where market yields were failing to respond to so-called Federal Reserve “tightening”. The new “Bernanke conundrum” is a problematic rise in market yields in the face of ultra-low Fed funds and massive quantitative easing (including MBS purchases).
I never bought into Greenspan’s conundrum, nor do I see any current mystery with regard to US market yields. During the period 2004 through 2007, credit bubble excess played a fundamental role in distorting the demand for US securities, especially Treasuries and agencies (debt and MBS). Back then I titled a Credit Bubble Bulletin “No conundrum.”
In particular, massive speculative leveraging of mortgage-related securities during the boom created excess market demand and artificially low yields throughout the mortgage finance arena. Extremely loose financial conditions were self-reinforcing, as cheap and readily available mortgage credit inflated home prices and (temporarily) deflated credit costs.
Market distortion-induced excess returns incited a fateful flood of speculative finance into the mortgage sector. At the same time, credit bubble-induced dollar outflows (massive current account deficits coupled with heightened flows seeking profits from dollar weakness) inundated foreign central banks (notably China’s), creating artificial foreign demand for US Treasuries and agency securities. In short, the Fed’s post-tech bubble reflation had spurred unwieldy bubbles throughout the US securities and asset markets - bubbles the Fed refused to tackle.
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The rejuvenated dollar from a few months back appeared to assure great leeway to the Ben Bernanke Fed. The expectation was that the Fed essentially had unlimited capacity to employ “quantitative easing”. This bolstered the market’s generally sanguine view of the yield impact from the Treasury’s massive funding requirements. Especially with the announcement of huge ongoing MBS purchases, the view solidified that the Fed would essentially peg long-term market yields - as it does short-term borrowing rates. And, importantly, the perception that the Fed could set artificially low long-term interest rates - hence Treasury funding costs - worked to bolster a more optimistic reading of the US fiscal position (not to mention the US household balance sheet).
Yet a much more uncertain world is emerging. Global reflation and international markets are - as inflation and market dynamics tend to do - taking on a life of their own. And just as credit bubble dynamics overwhelmed Greenspan rate tinkering back in 2004/05, there are now strong countervailing market forces working against the efficacy of Bernanke helicopter money.
If global reflation takes hold simultaneous with a weakening dollar, inflation could easily emerge as a major threat here in the US; and if global markets begin determining longer-term US Treasury and MBS yields - as opposed to the Bernanke Fed manipulating them artificially low - the US recovery outlook becomes greatly more clouded.
During the 2005 “conundrum,” market dynamics fed the US bubble, as artificially low rates boosted household borrowings, asset prices and consumption. Increasingly, it appears the new “conundrum” is putting upward pressure on market yields. Such a scenario holds the potential to stop the mortgage refinancing boom in its tracks, while delaying a meaningful recovery in housing markets and household consumption.
It is fundamental to my analysis that the unfolding reflation will be altogether different than previous ones. On a global basis - and contrary to the consensus view - I expect the US economy to under-perform. Already, a scenario is unfolding where reflation hurts the US consumer through higher energy and import costs, rising borrowing costs, and a greater tax burden. And in contrast to more recent inflations, US securities will be anything but the focal point of global reflation dynamics. I expect global markets to increasingly determine US market yields, with resulting higher borrowing costs and less liquidity generally stymieing recovery in our asset markets.
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BTW, looks like we might get “universal” health care and I predict, we’ll wish we hadn’t, by the time Congress gets done with it.