July 18, 2009

Bits Bucket For July 18, 2009

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Comment by ahansen
2009-07-18 03:14:17

Too early for coffee, and too late for same. Good morning and good night HBBers, have a great Sun-day!

 
Comment by ahansen
2009-07-18 03:16:26

See? I needed coffee after all. Have a great sunny Saturday.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-07-18 03:51:24

How about that stimulus, eh? Heckuva job.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-07-18 04:08:22

I usually give links to articles, but Paul Craig Roberts has summarized the current situation nicely.

Obama Helps Banksters Loot American Economy
By Paul Craig Roberts

There is no economy left to recover. The US manufacturing economy was lost to offshoring and free trade ideology. It was replaced by a mythical “New Economy.”

The “New Economy” was based on services. Its artificial life was fed by the Federal Reserve’s artificially low interest rates, which produced a real estate bubble, and by “free market” financial deregulation, which unleashed financial gangsters to new heights of debt leverage and fraudulent financial products.

The real economy was traded away for a make-believe economy. When the make-believe economy collapsed, Americans’ wealth in their real estate, pensions, and savings collapsed dramatically while their jobs disappeared.

The debt economy caused Americans to leverage their assets. They refinanced their homes and spent the equity. They maxed out numerous credit cards. They worked as many jobs as they could find. Debt expansion and multiple family incomes kept the economy going.

And now suddenly Americans can’t borrow in order to spend. They are over their heads in debt. Jobs are disappearing. America’s consumer economy, approximately 70% of GDP, is dead. Those Americans who still have jobs are saving against the prospect of job loss. Millions are homeless. Some have moved in with family and friends; others are living in tent cities.

Meanwhile the US government’s budget deficit has jumped from $455 billion in 2008 to $2,000 billion this year, with another $2,000 billion on the books for 2010. And President Obama has intensified America’s expensive war of aggression in Afghanistan and initiated a new war in Pakistan.

There is no way for these deficits to be financed except by printing money or by further collapse in stock markets that would drive people out of equity into bonds.

The US government’s budget is 50% in the red. That means half of every dollar the federal government spends must be borrowed or printed. Because of the worldwide debacle caused by Wall Street’s financial gangsterism, the world needs its own money and hasn’t $2 trillion annually to lend to Washington.

As dollars are printed, the growing supply adds to the pressure on the dollar’s role as reserve currency. Already America’s largest creditor, China, is admonishing Washington to protect China’s investment in US debt and lobbying for a new reserve currency to replace the dollar before it collapses. According to various reports, China is spending down its holdings of US dollars by acquiring gold and stocks of raw materials and energy.

The price of one ounce gold coins is $1,000 despite efforts of the US government to hold down the gold price. How high will this price jump when the rest of the world decides that the bankruptcy of “the world’s only superpower” is at hand?

And what will happen to America’s ability to import not only oil, but also the manufactured goods on which it is import-dependent?

When the over-supplied US dollar loses the reserve currency role, the US will no longer be able to pay for its massive imports of real goods and services with pieces of paper. Overnight, shortages will appear and Americans will be poorer.

Nothing in Presidents Bush and Obama’s economic policy addresses the real issues.

Instead, Goldman Sachs was bailed out, more than once. As Eliot Spitzer said, the banks made a “bloody fortune” with US aid.

It was not the millions of now homeless homeowners who were bailed out. It was not the scant remains of American manufacturing—General Motors and Chrysler—that were bailed out. It was the Wall Street Banks.

According to Bloomberg.com, Goldman Sachs’ current record earnings from their free or low cost capital supplied by broke American taxpayers has led the firm to decide to boost compensation and benefits by 33 percent. On an annual basis, this comes to compensation of $773,000 per employee.

This should tell even the most dimwitted patriot who “their” government represents.

The worst of the economic crisis has not yet hit. I don’t mean the rest of the real estate crisis that is waiting in the wings. Home prices will fall further when the foreclosed properties currently held off the market are dumped. Store and office closings are adversely impacting the ability of owners of shopping malls and office buildings to make their mortgage payments. Commercial real estate loans were also securitized and turned into derivatives.

The real crisis awaits us. It is the crisis of high unemployment, of stagnant and declining real wages confronted with rising prices from the printing of money to pay the government’s bills and from the dollar’s loss of exchange value. Suddenly, Wal-Mart prices will look like Nieman Marcus prices.

Retirees dependent on state pension systems, which cannot print money, might not be paid, or might be paid with IOUs. They will not even have depreciating money with which to try to pay their bills. Desperate tax authorities will squeeze the remaining life out of the middle class.

Nothing in Obama’s economic policy is directed at saving the US dollar as reserve currency or the livelihoods of the American people. Obama’s policy, like Bush’s before him, is keyed to the enrichment of Goldman Sachs and the armament industries.

Matt Taibbi describes Goldman Sachs as “a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentless jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money.” [Rolling Stone, July 13, 2009] Look at the Goldman Sachs representatives in the Clinton, Bush and Obama administrations. This bankster firm controls the economic policy of the United States.

Little wonder that Goldman Sachs has record earnings while the rest of us grow poorer by the day.

Comment by az_lender
2009-07-18 06:09:16

Palmy, I love some aspects of this article, but not all.

The best part is, “There is no economy left to recover.”

I don’t, however, believe that Obama is personally on the side of the banks. My view of him is, he’d like to spread out the wealth and eliminate poverty. If the actual effect of his policies is to take from the middle class to give to both the top and bottom strata, I don’t think it’s intentional. I am no fan of Obama, am not in favor of government redistribution schemes in general. But I think Mr Roberts’s accusations are misplaced.

“There is no economy left to recover,” because Americans bought into the idea that EVERYONE could have a “job” that required no real work. I’m no exception, I actually HAVE a business that requires very little work…but the price I paid was many decades of extreme frugality while the grasshoppers sang and danced.

Comment by Charlie Tango
2009-07-18 06:57:43

Obama may not be on the side of the banks but he obviously is doing their bidding. It matters more who’s pocket you are in then what you want and believe.

If stimulus can work it needs to be targeted at manufacturing and creating tangible value. Transitioning from a false “service” economy to a doomed “green” economy won’t work especially if the banksters get the money and keep it.

Comment by polly
2009-07-18 11:14:57

I think the top people are still in thrall to the idea that they have to get the securitization train going again or the economy can’t recover. It is a very bad mistake to be making, but it explains why they are so determined to keep the biggest banks co-operating despite not wanting the bad publicity of putting into place policies that bring on announcements of GS putting over $11 billion into this year’s bonus pool.

I think they really believe that if the banks get really healthy, they will start taking risks that will get the credit flowing. What they really don’t understand is that the IB’s do almost anything to avoid risk. That is why they buy up loans, securitize them and SELL them. They don’t want the risk on the books. Certain parts of the IB’s take risk, but not the structured finance work horses. And why do people think the shares of IPO’s back in the tech bubble doubled in a day or two? Because the IB’s priced them well below market.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-07-18 11:16:19

I like this article a lot . I have been in favor of the recreating of
the manufacturing base in America and temporary job creation by public projects until we can go back to the independent Country we once were . This could also include energy independence .Jobs support a Country ,not spending by debt
while Fat Cats make a fortune off the skim off of cheap labor from other countries ,while bought off Politicians allow laws that favor this scheme that came about in part due to deregulation and faulty trade balances .

Did anybody even consider what distortions would come about by allowing money from all over the world to flood into the America debt machine ,as well as cheap labor products that created a monopoly, making it impossible for American manufacturing to compete . What ever happened to the trade balance ? What were they thinking ? Economic systems have to be regulated and controlled . Jesus ,it was like we were one big hen house saying ,”Come on all you foxes ,come on in and destroy us .” I guess big business thought the emerging markets would save them when America got tapped out ,or does the greed machine even think that far in advance ?

When the crash hit ,it was very important for the current players to be ousted and a purge to take place . The wide spread corruption needed to be busted ,as well as the faulty system that created the mess to begin with . A lot of money has been wasted trying to maintain the faulty system that created the crash to begin with .

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Comment by CA renter
2009-07-18 12:39:30

Excellent post, Wiz!

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-07-18 13:57:13

Ca renter …thanks for you kind words on last nights post you made .

Also ,for anybody that thinks that I’m anti other Countries ,your wrong . I believe that Countries should uplift their people somehow by providing livable wages by production ,just like America did . Countries should be able to trade with each other
also ,as long as the proper tariffs are added . This idea that a few slave labor countries should produce all the products by every one shipping the raw materials there ,thus destroying the job base in all the other countries is crazy .

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-07-19 00:46:02

It’s good to see you posting again, Wiz. :)

 
 
 
 
Comment by OCBear
2009-07-18 06:57:21

How’s that Value Added workin? The Multinational Global Companies and the Bankers told America it was all we needed, that and service.
Why would they lie? There is that Multinational word, I guess. With the low wages that benefit those companies, Hmmm, as a devout American Consumer I just cant figure out where things have gone wrong.

/Ugh

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-07-18 07:28:37

So long as some of the bankster loot gets converted into campaign contributions, where is the problem?

Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 08:54:21

PB
Cynical much? jk you!

We all have our moments of throwing our hands into the air and walk off frustratedly…have those several X p day.

Just dont’ think we can blame one without all the rest who are in office then and now.

 
 
Comment by rms
2009-07-18 08:22:13
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 08:34:44

jeeze.. that poor guy’s completely hysterical..
Slap his face and tell him to calm down.. or slip some Prozac in his milk. He’ll be alright.
Meanwhile take away his pen.. he’s frightening the children.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 09:00:44

geez when people tell it like it is, dang, it sure makes my hand shake the JD glass and makes all the ice cubes swirl out. Even at 9am.

JK, not on the juice.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 10:41:53

well.. he just seemed to come across more than a little anxious and paranoid to me.

But now that you mention it, if he’s supposed to be telling it like it is, how about this line:
..The debt economy caused Americans to leverage their assets…

Really? Is that his rationale for the hoards of long-time home owners HELOCing themselves into oblivion, and insane bidding wars on crapbox properties? For the wild spending spree which accompanied the housing mania?
It wasn’t at all about gambling and greed..

“The devil debt economy made me do it.”

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Comment by CA renter
2009-07-18 14:19:24

People’s home prices rose to unprecedented levels. They were told this was their “equity” to spend, and so they did. This “equity” masked the fact that their real purchasing power/wages were stagnant or declining for many years.

He’s 100% correct.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 15:23:09

You are saying people were blinded by their desire for instant gratification while suffering an uncontrollable compulsion to gamble with not only their own money, but other people’s money as well… all the while exhibiting economic ignorance sufficient to qualify them as being a danger to themselves, their families and their community.

He didn’t say anything close to that..

 
 
 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2009-07-18 10:29:37

“It was not the millions of now homeless homeowners who were bailed out.”

Huh?

Comment by rms
2009-07-18 11:41:45

Remember the IRS income tax on forgiven debt? Bailed-out is correct; a gift from Dubya.

Comment by drumminj
2009-07-18 12:23:14

a gift from Dubya Congress

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 20:28:39

a gift from Dubya & Congress

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-07-18 04:12:25

Good morning ahansen and Palmy!

Comment by palmetto
2009-07-18 04:21:39

Mornin’, ATE!

 
Comment by Blano
2009-07-18 06:45:31

ATE,

I read your little teaser last night about this “date with a lady”….WELL????

Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 09:03:24

yep, 2nd one? Any kissing?

have a friend in CO who told me he had a blind date…
you know the rest. Actually, he really did, his buddy is blind.
ba da bump. drum rim shot.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-07-18 09:58:47

Nyuk, nyuk! :)

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-07-18 12:54:35

Hey you guys! Oly u funnin Ol’ ATE-UP too! You must not have seen the post above where I said you were Helter Skelter… :)

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-07-18 11:28:55

Years ago, a good looking girl friend I used to know ended up as a RN near Barstow, CA and she used to give wannabe suiters she didn’t care to see again “her” phone number. It was actually the number of the famous remote Mojave cult “Phone Booth” out in the desert. She did this many times until the phone booth was shut down and removed in May of 2000.

She bumped into a pushy and persistent military pilot that had bugged her for her phone number and laughed when, after some time and many calls, he said some guy from AZ eventually answered. This guy said “I’m standing in the middle of the Mojave in “The Phone Booth”, 15 miles from paved road Hwy 15 and trust me, Gail doesn’t LIVE here !”

Nothing like a foxy chick ..with a sense of humor
:)

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-07-18 12:56:47

mikey, I was ringing a phone booth in E’St.Louis Il today too. I wonder…

 
 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-07-18 12:50:57

Well blano, we had a nice time and went to dinner then rode by the Grafton River and watched the boats. Thanks for asking!

P.S. She had two eyes and could see, but she had no mouth or ears.

Comment by Blano
2009-07-18 18:11:43

Scratchin’ my head over that one, ate.

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Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-07-18 04:12:38

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Treasury Department is scrapping plans to hire a cartoonist to lighten the mood of its employees who manage the nation’s $1.2 trillion debt, after a senator questioned its merits.

The cartoonist would have been hired by Treasury’s Bureau of Public Debt, which accounts for borrowed federal spending, at a time Congress is embroiled in a debate about increased government spending.

“Our training staff felt that at a time when employees are working extra hours, it might have been helpful,” said Kim Treat, a spokesman for the bureau.

But the effort was canceled because it had become “more of a distraction than an opportunity,” he said.

In a federal solicitation issued earlier this month, the bureau said it was looking for a contractor to conduct two, three-hour presentations for its employees on the benefits of humor in the workplace and the connection between humor and stress relief.

The contractor would have to be able to “create cartoons on the spot” about jobs at the bureau, the solicitation stated.

Treat said the solicitation was intended to collect more information, including how much it would cost, and that no money had been allocated toward the effort. The bureau’s annual budget is $187 million.

The office of Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., contacted the bureau after the solicitation was posted on The Drudge Report.

“Of all the agencies, the Bureau of Public Debt should know that there is very little that is funny about today’s economic conditions,” Dorgan said in a statement released Friday.

Comment by palmetto
2009-07-18 04:28:14

Send in the a$$-clowns!

Comment by palmetto
2009-07-18 04:32:30

Who needs a contractor to provide humor when you’ve got Turbo-Tax Timmay? He oughta be good for endless hours of amusement.

Comment by palmetto
2009-07-18 04:36:19

Don’t forget the Chinese students he spoke to over in Beijing had to suppress their laughter.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-07-18 06:41:58

I thought they didn’t suppress it. (Maybe they suppressed it as much as they could.)

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-07-18 09:47:25

Giggling Asians are cute.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2009-07-18 07:03:31

“Who needs a contractor to provide humor?”

Seriously, have they ever heard of the freaking water cooler?

Just look for your local Alpha-Sloth, Jim from the Office, NYCityBoy, Oly, et. al. for your office humor.

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-07-18 06:41:02

(_!_) (_!_) (_!_) (_!_) (_!_) (_!_) (_!_) (_!_) (_!_) (_!_) (_!_) (_!_)

There you go, Palmy. One dozen a$$-clowns.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 09:36:50

Good work.

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Comment by az_lender
2009-07-18 06:11:59

Just to show that I’m not a partisan creep, I applaud Byron Dorgan (D-ND) for this show of common sense.

– az_lender (R-wherever)

Comment by oxide
2009-07-18 06:17:48

I applaud Dorgan too. Even if the cartoonist worked for free, it’s a silly idea. It smacks of those “self-help seminars” that businesses sometimes put their employees through to relieve their stress.

Besides, those overwrought employees can just watch The Daily Show, or reruns of Lucy.

Comment by Muggy
2009-07-18 07:07:19

O.k., in all fairness, I have been one seminar, exactly ONE that was very purposeful. I worked for a private school, and there was a little old principal lady retiring, she actually worked for free for a few month’s to assist the incoming principal.

Anyway, what we learned, and needed to discuss, was that it was o.k. to be excited about the new leader, without disrespecting the current, outgoing leader and all of her accomplishments. It was very helpful and needed a neutral, third-party to facilitate.

The rest did suck, however.

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Comment by Eudemon
2009-07-18 07:46:27

Speaking of which, it’s a shame that years ago (late 1980s) that Democrat Paul Tsongas wasn’t placed to a high office position somewhere in the GH Bush administration. Tsongas actually knew something about econonics and may have put a few words into wreckless Greenspan’s ear once in a while.

Comment by DennisN
2009-07-18 08:21:34

Similarly it’s too bad that Mitt Romney couldn’t get any traction in the last election. Instead we got McCain, who had been in Congress too long, and Obama, who hadn’t been in government long enough.

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Comment by skroodle
2009-07-18 09:16:29

Mitt’s a lot like Shrub, as Jim Hightower said - “he was born on 3rd base and thought he hit a triple”

 
Comment by Eudemon
2009-07-18 09:30:11

And?

Does that mean that Romney couldn’t possibly know what he’s doing?

 
Comment by scdave
2009-07-18 09:36:11

Exactly skroodle….

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 09:38:57

Sounds about right.

“Romney couldn’t possibly know what he’s doing”

 
Comment by scdave
2009-07-18 09:42:08

Does that mean that Romney couldn’t possibly know what he’s doing ??

Not at all…He may be very capable maybe not…Can’t tell…Its not his potential ability that bothers me with this guy its a new round of “Forced Dogma” that I fear…

 
Comment by drumminj
2009-07-18 09:49:27

Of all the (R) candidates you’re going to lament Romney?! Really?

It’s a shame Ron Paul didn’t get any traction in the last election and got ignored by the media, cut off by the mediators, etc. Paul tried to talk about all the issues that led us into this mess, and change them for the better.

But, he’s one of those crazy wackos, dontcha know…

 
Comment by drumminj
2009-07-18 10:06:05

Its not his potential ability that bothers me with this guy its a new round of “Forced Dogma” that I fear…

For me it was the hair. Very much like Gov. Rick Perry in TX…

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-07-18 10:26:16

I’m with drumminj on the Ron Paul bandwagon.

Romney, although he didn’t initiate the Massachusetts health-care fiasco, took credit for it, and for that I reject him whole-heartedly.

 
Comment by scdave
2009-07-18 10:33:33

I donated a significant amount of money to Ron Paul…I wish he would have been taken more seriously…

 
Comment by SV guy
2009-07-18 13:48:18

I threw a nice bit of dough at Ron Paul as well. I’m through with throwing votes at our duopoly.

Mike

 
Comment by pismoclam
2009-07-18 19:04:54

I bought his book. Half his ideas are wacko!

 
 
 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 09:07:01

dang, they work extra hrs.
Don’t they get pensions, a GOOD health care and all. And a paycheck?

And they need someone to tickle their tummies, feet?

WTH, well then I want someone to come to my job and make ME laugh too. It aint funny & it is getting gloomy. I still work overtime for 1983 wages. Send in the clowns.

 
Comment by polly
2009-07-18 13:42:52

The idea that someone didn’t figure out the cartoons would be subject to disclosure under FOIA and kill the idea long before it could get leaked to the Congress is pathetic.

The darn managers need to get back to their bar stools at Old Ebbit’s and let the people who do the actual work get back to it.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-07-18 04:12:42

Summers. Feh. What a complete joke. Our guvmint can hand out propaganda better than the USSR of old.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/business/economy/18summers.html

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-07-18 04:14:58

The Next Five Years.
Kenneth J. Gerbino & Company
Investment Management

* Inflation is coming back
* The U.S. stock market will probably stay in a trading range of between 6,000 and 12,000 on the Dow for a decade or more. A bull market year will be up 10-15%, a bear market year will be down 10-15%. This will be similar to the 1966 -1982 time period when the Dow stayed between 550 and 1,000 for 16 years
* Commodities will go much higher
* In 2-3 years inflation could be very severe and interest rates will go much higher. This will bring on another downward move in stocks
* After interest rates and inflation peaks in 3-5 years it will be a great time to buy quality U.S. stocks again
* Real estate will be a good buy in a few years
* China will buy gold mining companies and they will be followed by India. Why should these Central banks pay retail for gold when the can buy wholesale by having their sovereign wealth funds own gold mines and simply take the gold. This will take a lot of gold off the market and be very bullish for gold
* Disregard all the talk about the U.S. dollar being replaced any time soon. Russia pushing for this is a joke. California’s GDP is 40% higher than Russia! Texas is 10% bigger. The U.S. dollar is going down and so will most other currencies (but not as much as the dollar since the U.S. appears to be the current major monetary sinner
* Don’t worry about the end of the world or a great depression. Entrepreneurs, capitalism, free market players, producers and the movers and shakers of the world will find a way to make a product (and a buck) by producing and getting people something of value despite the politicians, inflations, recessions, panics and upheavals of the economy and markets. The old expression “The dogs bark but the caravan goes on,” is apt here

I have to laugh when people write about the breakdown of western civilization where there are no goods on the shelves etc. and there is chaos everywhere. Did you ever see that CNN special a few years ago when they were following the smuggling routes between Afghanistan and Pakistan. You saw these guys in turbans and flip flops and donkeys going over these high mountain cliffs on narrow paths risking their lives. On top of one of the donkeys was a case of Coca Cola probably bound for a small village somewhere. If they can handle getting Coke where people want it in the one of the most backward places on earth, I am sure the boys at Coke will also be able to figure it out here in the good ol’ USA., if things got out of hand. Ditto for almost all other goods. Good luck.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 09:11:05

wmbz, reading that, I felt like I was on a teeter totter.
Or the Mad Hatter ride in Disneyland. I may throw up, but want a soda pop first and go back on the ride again. Only here in America!

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 09:13:07

i disagree with the prediction about governments specifically buying gold mining companies.

If a government sees some advantage to producing a commodity like gold, why not buy the companies that produce other commodities? Why not govt-owned mining, agriculture, oil fields, etc?

Governments are really good at their appointed task: governing. But when you ask them to run a company, or to produce something for consumption, or to manage some private enterprise, they totally suck. Government has no idea how to run a business.

 
Comment by james
2009-07-18 11:05:12

There is the possibility that a large scale disruption in the dollar could cause a generalized breakdown in the US.

Places like LA might have some kind of anarchy for a while with race riots.

If you have an idiot in the executive branch then it could go badly.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-07-18 11:50:40

* In 2-3 years inflation could be very severe and interest rates will go much higher. This will bring on another downward move in stocks
* After interest rates and inflation peaks in 3-5 years it will be a great time to buy quality U.S. stocks again

How to know when to get out of stocks? Is it as simple as selling with the first uptick in rates, since they’ve been held at zero for so long?

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-07-18 04:19:50

NJ woman cooks up bake sale to end foreclosure
(AP) –

TEANECK, N.J. — A New Jersey woman is hoping her bake sale will help forestall foreclosure and keep a roof over her head.

Angela Logan has until July 26 to raise $2,559.54 due her lender under a federal program to help homeowners in financial trouble.

The divorced mother of three sons has received orders for 42 “mortgage apple cakes” at $40 each since coming up with the idea last week.

Logan has lived in her Teaneck house for nearly 20 years. But she says a home-renovation nightmare contributed to her financial troubles.

Logan, an actress who also works locally as a comedian, tells The Record of Bergen County she and her family laugh to keep from crying.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-07-18 05:51:36

Where the hell do you start with this one? I think I found Little Timmay’s jester. She surely is a comedienne. I am laughing my Bernanke off at this one. Too bad this actress can’t act like somebody with a brain. She must be trying out for the part of The Scarecrow in the local production of The Whiz. Or maybe she is trying out for AB Normal in their reproduction of Young Frankenstein.

Why doesn’t she take the money she earns from selling her pie (bwahaha) and use it to rent an apartment? Oh, that’s right, she can’t rent an apartment. That would make her a lowly renter.

This says she had a home renovation nightmare. I bet she was redecorating the upstairs, if you know what I mean, and they turned out lopsided. Now she’s walking funny, late on the mortgage and dumb as a rock. I apologize to all the rocks of the world for that one.

The local government has to be grinning from ear to ear. They have trained these morons so well that they will hold freaking bake sales just to keep current on those rapacious property taxes. Now that is a goodly trained robot. How much do you want to bet she still has an iPhone, cable TV, SUV, goes to have her nails done regularly and even buys herself a new tooth chipper on a semi-annual basis? Hey, a girl needs what a girl needs.

The victim stories get lamer and lamer. The victims get less and less likable. Of whiny “homeowners”, our government and the media I cannot decide who I hate the most. I tell you what, I will hate them all equally. It is good to have balance in your life.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-07-18 09:50:34

I like your anger!
And also I really liked your post, ya grump.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-07-18 11:20:56

I showed your comments to the cats. They smiled wildly with pride. They think I’m the greatest. They are soooo smart.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-07-18 11:33:47

NYCity, why don’t you post a link to your mellifluous singing endeavor again? In case not everyone saw it the first time.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-07-18 11:37:27

We are working on some other things right now that are really exciting.

There are several out there if you type in thenycityboy at youtube.

Here is the one that I think was the angriest. I like anger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycpGbfBPWVg

I will be asking for HBB help on one of the things we are working on.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2009-07-18 08:15:29

I remember an older HBB post of a news clipping that said, “I have to laugh to keep from crying.” Ah well. Don’t spend money you don’t have.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 08:48:20

..a home-renovation nightmare contributed to her financial troubles…

Dear Mr/Miss/Mrs/Ms Logan (or current resident),
Did you know you are sitting on a pile of cash? Yes, that’s right! Your home is actually an ATM machine, only better!
Wouldn’t you like to take that Hawaiian vacation you’ve always dreamed of, or fix up that old kitchen? Well, you can.. and it will only take a minute of your time! You’ve been pre-qualified!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-07-18 04:20:05

Legendary TV news anchor Walter Cronkite dies…

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Former CBS News anchor Walter Cronkite, whose authoritative delivery of news events from the John F. Kennedy assassination to the Apollo moon landing and Vietnam War, made him “the most trusted man in America,” died on Friday at age 92.

Cronkite died in New York after an illness, CBS said. His family issued a statement weeks ago that he had been suffering for some years with cerebrovascular disease and was not expected to recuperate.

His death coincided with the 40th anniversary of the Apollo 11 mission, which took the first astronauts to the moon. Cronkite was a passionate chronicler of the space program and anniversary celebrations of Apollo 11 have featured frequent rebroadcasts of his coverage of the historic moon landing.

“He was the consummate television newsman,” said Don Hewitt, a longtime CBS News executive and creator of the long-running “60 Minutes” news program. “He had all the credentials to be a writer, an editor, a broadcaster. There was only one Walter Cronkite and there may never be another one.”

Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 09:42:15

He was forced to retire early so the younger faces could take over and speak to the “new” demographic.
Same old bs then as now. Younger is ‘better’ vs older and wiser?
The public loved this man and how he came across to us. Also he earned his stripes the hard way, just like the rest of his listeners.
It always felt like he was talking to you and your family around the kitchen table.
Not like all the other schnooks that are so intent on looking good and don’t know tit from tat.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-07-18 04:40:30

A person Sir Allen “bubbles” Greasepan used to follow…

“Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others.”
–Ayn Rand

Comment by az_lender
2009-07-18 06:17:06

Particularly when the policy CHANGES all the time.

I could put up with almost any tax code if it were written in stone and evolved no faster than the creep of stone over geologic time. People could respond rationally to a fixed code. Instead, people waste a lot of their resources in an endless war that the redistributors wage upon the prudent.

Comment by peter a
2009-07-18 09:56:39

Avoid falsehoods like the plague except in matters of taxation, which do not count, since here your are not lying to take someone else’s goods, but to prevent your own from being unjustly seized. (Giovanni Morelli)

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-07-18 04:45:13

Zions Unit Buys Vineyard Deposits as Four Lenders are Shuttered

July 18 (Bloomberg) — Zions Bancorporation’s California Bank & Trust unit acquired the deposits of Vineyard Bank, one of four lenders seized yesterday by regulators. The failures will cost the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. a total of $1.09 billion.

California Bank & Trust in San Diego said it assumed $1.5 billion in deposits and $1.4 billion in loans from Rancho Cucamonga, California-based Vineyard, which lost more than $100 million last year as builders defaulted on construction loans. Vineyard was closed by the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the FDIC was named receiver, the FDIC said in a statement.

The FDIC entered a loss-sharing transaction with California Bank & Trust on the acquired assets. The regulator will also share losses on $1.3 billion of assets related to the seizure yesterday of Temecula Valley Bank in Temecula, California, which was shuttered by the state’s regulator.

Regulators have closed 57 U.S. banks this year, the most since 1992, when 181 lenders failed or entered government- assisted transactions. Bank failures, including 10 in Georgia, have drained more than $10 billion from the deposit insurance fund this year, led by $4.9 billion for Florida’s BankUnited Financial Corp., the largest bank to collapse this year.

The lenders closed yesterday had combined assets of $3.79 billion and deposits of $3.26 billion.

Comment by az_lender
2009-07-18 06:21:05

Although it seems the absolute number of bank failures this year will fail to surpass the number from 1992, I’d be interested in a comparison of the FDIC outlays in 1992 and 2009. Somehow I think the 1992 comparison is adduced to give the false notion that we are just in a “normal” recession.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-07-18 08:19:54

I’m glad to see The Bank of Olygal is still going strong. I have a lot of money in it myself.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-07-18 09:56:29

*nostalgic sigh *
I got my verrrrry first savings account at Zions Bank, when I was 11 years old. It was for my babysitting money.
I had it until a couple months ago, when I decided since I’ve lived in Washington for 5 years I should probably find a local bank or credit union and not be all silly and nostalgic.
Besides, losty posted an article that suggested that Zions has a ton of exposure to bad loans.

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-07-18 11:27:06

They did and they still do. And I bank with them, but in small amounts, just enough to pay my water and electric bills.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2009-07-18 05:10:12

Midnight Special
- Creedence Clearwater Revival

You wake up in the morning
Your house is three years old
Half your blocks in auction
The other half aint sold

Your headin for the table the table
There`s a smell up in the hall
When they built your mansion
They used Chinese drywall

Let the housing bubble
Shine a light on me
Let the housing bubble
Shine a ever-lovin light on me

Yonder come miss Rosie
How in the world did you know
By the way she wears her apron
And the clothes she woe
Umbrella on her shoulder
and a mortgage in her hand
She come to get a cram down
In a workout plan

Let the housing bubble
Shine a light on me
Let the housing bubble
Shine a ever-lovin light on me

If you’re in Miami,
And you bring your wife
Don`t ya buy that condo
Don`t ya catch that knife
HOA will grab you
And the taxes bring you down
The next thing you know boy,
You’re foreclosure bound

Let the housing bubble
Shine a light on me
Let the housing bubble
Shine a ever-lovin light on me

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-07-18 07:09:21

Really, really, good jeff! :)

 
Comment by Kim
2009-07-18 07:19:40

Bravo!

 
Comment by Eudemon
2009-07-18 07:52:14

excellent! Good taste in music, too!

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-07-18 08:13:04

oops, one extra
the table

 
Comment by scdave
2009-07-18 09:46:42

Jeff is pretty good at this…

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-07-18 05:47:40

OT… Here in S.C. we have rated at or near the bottom of the education scale for decades. No matter how many hundreds of millions we spend, makes no difference, of course the cry is always for more money, and we continue to pour it down the rat hole. Here’s an example of our common ignorance, but in this fellows defense he was most likely educated in our public school system.

Found this in the Greenville News in the Letters to the Editor page: “I write these words on the Fourth of July after rummaging through the change in my pocket and noticing with sadness that the new coins no longer have “In God We Trust” on them. Seems that they disappeared, and with little if any protest. Maybe it’s because we have forgotten where those words came from. Actually, they come from our national anthem, “The Star-Spangled Banner.” ~Bob Lawrence

What is in the drinking water in Greenville, SC? The national motto has NOT been removed from U.S. coins. It’s still on paper currency, too.

Mr. Lawrence contends the inspiration for the “In God We Trust” motto came from the national anthem. We doubt that. The motto began appearing on U.S. coins in 1864 and was first inscribed on the U.S. cent in 1909.

The national anthem was not adopted until 1931.

Should this stuff not be taught in school? Or do historical facts no longer matter?

Comment by az_lender
2009-07-18 06:25:05

Here’s my diagnosis of Bob Lawrence’s problem.
The coin he was actually looking at was one of those Martin Van Buren dollars you get from the post office vending machines. It does indeed bear the words “In God We Trust,” but they’re stamped into the EDGE of the coin, that is to say, along a surface perpendicular to both the “heads” side and the “tails” side. Thus, quite hard to find, esp as I imagine Mr Lawrence is not a young man.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2009-07-18 06:39:33

There are no longer “historical” facts. Rather it’s very Orwellian. We just write the “facts” to suit our agenda.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-07-18 07:02:29

The words to the Star Spangled Banner were written during the war of 1812, and the 4th verse includes the line “and this be our motto: in God is our Trust”.

O’, thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land
Praise the power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto - In God is our trust
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-07-18 07:37:47

Yeah, I had to look up the original poem, too. Thought it might be buried in there somewhere. Original’s quite a mouthful, innit? Like to see Roseanne work her way through that one.

 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 09:19:23

i get that idjit crap all the time from my co-educated hs ‘friends’ (usely used term.) I don’t recall everything we were taught, but why is it they don’t remember anything at all? Were they really asleep at their desks in the 60-70s when school really was better?

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-07-18 10:23:58

The sad state of affairs is that the only major opposition to the current fascist regime is throwing out flames that the “imaginary friend” is losing support in government (even if it is false that “In God We Trust” is being removed from coins).

We need courage and reason to fight big government. the witch doctor is useless.

 
 
 
Comment by Muggy
2009-07-18 05:55:45

Alright, let’s see if we can get this working…

Comment by Muggy
2009-07-18 09:10:23

C’mon Ben, hook me up! You know how I like fire.

FIRE. FIRE. (Channeling Beavis)

Comment by drumminj
2009-07-18 09:55:43

What exactly is it you’re trying to do there, Muggy? Have a link marinating in the filter?

Comment by Muggy
2009-07-18 10:19:44

Yeah Drum, I used to make “Smoke ‘em if you got ‘em” posts, in which I would scan the internets for arson and suspicious fire stories, and cosolidate them, like Ben does up top. Naturally these have multiple links.

Since real estate has been “heating up” lately, I made another yesterday, but I haven’t passed the goalie.

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Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-07-18 11:30:15

It got torched behind Ben’s firewall.

Had one burn the other day in Salt Lake, an expensive one.

 
Comment by drumminj
2009-07-18 12:30:17

So I was thinking of adding a feature to the JT Extension that would mangle URLs to bypass the filter, but then the extension would replace them with “proper” URLs on the client side. Seems like a neat idea, but will look kinda like a not valid URL to those not using FF+the extension.

Will have to play with that idea.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by az_lender
2009-07-18 06:03:09

From the Island Ad-Vantages, “Your East Penobscot Bay Weekly”

STONINGTON — Today, the building that once housed one of the town’s two convenience stores remains empty. It is owned by Union Trust, a division of Camden National Bank.
The bank took the property in foreclosure from owners Shelly and Steve Spivey and attempted to auction it in March. Beginning the bidding at $150,000, only one bid — for $50,000 — was received, and the bank opted to retain the property. The bank has paid the back taxes on the property.
The building and its 0.19 acres are currently listed with Sargent Real Estate for $137,500. (MLS #939863)

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So much for the folks who think “it’s different here.”

 
Comment by Anon In DC
2009-07-18 07:00:19

Hi.
1. NYT RE section today has a great article about people who have to sell. Need more space for baby, job transfere to Swizterland. One numbskull bought (in this market !) before selling the old place. The quotes are great. YEP this time next year VERY interesting. Also an article about falling rents and how people are returning to the city but negotiating rents.
2. Inventory building in No. VA inside the beltway. It still might be different here but not for long.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-07-18 07:14:57

This blog reminds me of the White Album…

Comment by jeff saturday
2009-07-18 08:39:33

Everybody’s Got Something to Hide Except Me and My Monkey

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-07-18 08:59:58

Number nine…
Oly’s Helter Skelter if not Charles Manson!!!

 
 
Comment by skroodle
2009-07-18 09:22:19

Are you suggesting that we should do it in the road?

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-07-18 10:03:36

Why not? No one will be watching us.

 
 
 
Comment by salinasron
2009-07-18 07:21:49

Went for an early am walk through the neighborhood. Two years ago lawns manicured, etc now things are looking like an extension of TJ. A couple blocks away at a rental the new people moved in and put a sofa outside the garage door for the neighborhood kids to sit on. Another kid of about 8-10 rides a little motorized bike continually up and down the street. Another hispanic man who stays home all day long walks to the mailbox (NBU box) with 5 small kids, not on the sidewalk but right down the middle of the street and not even watching for people backing out of their driveways. It’s too early to drink so I’ll head to the gym later to work off my hostilities.

Comment by rms
2009-07-18 11:58:02

I read somewhere that California has 13% of the country’s population, but nearly 30% of the welfare caseload, IIRC.

I was in Modesto, CA two weeks ago. Lots of white trash doing the “pimp-roll” strut wearing shower thongs and baggy shorts hanging so low their under wear is mostly exposed. My buddy who lives there has to tighten the garden hose with channel lock pliers so it can’t be stolen.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-07-18 12:06:40

Your tax dollars hard at work. I still think that any discussion about welfare, food stamps, poverty, etc. should take place in a NYC subway tunnel. Let’s take a good look at these people before we canonize these people as saints and victims. I will show you what all of these do-gooder laws have done for society. Every day I can show you thousands of examples of systemic failure.

 
 
 
Comment by salinasron
2009-07-18 07:28:19

Went to check out two more houses in the surrounding area of Salinas. This time in Indian Springs a gated community. Both house were about 30 yrs old and what a piece of crap. Asking prices $500K and $700K+. All kinds of problems with sub-flooring, etc. Great view but houses need to be torn down and rebuilt. Amazing what people have paid to live in until they are being forced out. I am now a firm believer that people in Monterey Co. have absolutely no taste and by houses like they buy clothes and cars, that is just a label or an address.
Found out last evening that water prices are going through the roof over in the bay area (Monterey, Carmel, PG,Seaside) and that they are counting on a de-sal plant in Moss landing for relief. Let’s watch the environmental groups on this one.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-07-18 07:37:30

San Diego’s serial bottom caller brigade has suggested the recent uptick in the median used home sale price is a sign that a bottom is at hand. How does their conjecture square with an unemployment rate over 10 percent for the first time since 1983? Are they sufficiently ignorant to believe that real estate prices can power steadily upward against the backdrop of double-digit unemployment, are is it that they are just lying through their teeth?

Jobless rate tops 10% in S.D. County
Uptick in hiring in some industries can’t offset losses
By Dean Calbreath
Union-Tribune Staff Writer
2:00 a.m. July 18, 2009

For the first time since the early 1980s, San Diego County’s unemployment rate surged above the 10 percent mark last month, according to state data released yesterday.

Though there were some glimmers of hope in the employment numbers – including a pickup in hiring in the long-beleaguered real estate and construction industries – there were not enough jobs to keep pace with new entrants to the market.

With a wave of high school and college graduates looking for summertime work, the number of jobless rose by 8,000, pushing the unemployment rate from 9.6 percent in May to 10.1 percent in June – its highest level since the recession of 1982-83.

“We may be starting to skate along the bottom, but we’re not able to take care of any new job seekers,” said Marney Cox, economist with the San Diego Association of Governments.

The seasonally adjusted California unemployment rate remained unchanged between May and June at 11.6 percent. Without the adjustment, the unemployment rate in the state – which lost 66,500 jobs – would have jumped from 11.3 percent in May to 11.6 percent last month.

Alan Gin, economist at the University of San Diego, said the local jobless rate could hit 11 percent or 12 percent before it begins to decline next year.

“I don’t see a lot of signs of a turnaround,” Gin said.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-07-18 07:42:18

“…including a pickup in hiring in the long-beleaguered real estate and construction industries…”

Some folks seem to believe that real estate is going to lead the San Diego economy back out of recession, despite the three strikes against the sector?

1) Double-digit unemployment;

2) Shadow inventory glut, including foreclosure-related REO inventory lenders are withholding from the market in hopes the prices will come back up to bubble-era levels before they have to sell;

3) Tsunami wave crest of Alt-A and prime pick-a-pay resets continuing through some time in 2013.

I guess time will tell…

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-07-18 07:43:33

“Shadow inventory glut”

I have been saying it for years now, but I guess I still need to say it again from time-to-time: It is hard to indefinitely hide elephants under the living room rug.

Comment by GH
2009-07-18 08:34:48

Apparently with the TARP money banks have been able to just sit on these properties. I believe in the short term this strategy is working to prop up prices and maintain a real shortage of available properties here in San Diego. Not sure how long they can keep it up, but for now …

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-07-18 09:56:11

I have long assumed a primary purpose of TARP money was to hand the big Wall Street banks the advantage over Main Street households of indefinite staying power. While Main Street households in trouble are forced to unload their real estate into the downturned market at fire sale prices, Megabank, Inc enjoys the taxpayer-funded financial staying power to wait out the downturn with the prospect of eventually selling their massive inventory of foreclosure homes during some anticipated future period of renewed real estate price inflation.

This is fair, because the banks are special and they always get what they want, right???

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-07-18 13:17:53

They made GS a Bank holding Company prior to Tarp ,so they could benefit from Tarp as well as Fed loans .They allowed a Insurance Company (AIG) that made credit default swaps with GS ,that they couldn’t pay off on ,to benefit from a major Fed Loan so it could pay its 30 billion dollar debt to Goldmans .

Tell me how Goldman waiting until AIG went BK to gets its money and than most likely not getting the full amount would of caused what Paulson claimed was going to be a melt down ? Maybe exposure of the crimes would of caused a Corrupt system melt down no doubt .
So what if Goldman would only be worth 60 billion instead of 100 billion and they would of been sued for their bad faith in business dealing by their investors . Didn’t GS research AIG’s ability to pay on the credit default swaps ,or was this just one more marketing scheme to get investors to buy by saying that the accounts were insured in this ongoing bad faith ponzi -scheme ? I contend that many of the bail-outs were to avoid the Justice of the lawsuits that would of followed ,as well as punitive damages . Can’t have this happening to such a market maker like Goldmans .

 
 
 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-07-18 08:45:18

Jim Puplava, of Financial Sense fame, is located in Rancho Bernardo. In this week’s Big Picture, he’s talking about the U6 at 25%.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 09:24:13

5pm news CBS and abc affiliates all announced on prime time news that the jobless rate here in the Riverside county is higher than Detroit. 25% and many are just not looking anymore or have no more UI payments left. So that leaves even more off the list.
Now you know it is bad IF the Msm states this aloud on the prime time news.

Have friend whose H is out of ui next month. They are thinking of moving to Utarrr.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-07-18 10:03:41

Really? Why Utarr particularly? And where in Utarr?

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-07-18 07:56:35

There has never been a better time for a member of the Megabank, Inc cartel to reap the rewards of a free too-big-to-fail insurance policy.

Rescued Banks Post Big Profits, Drawing Ire
Lending Hasn’t Risen With Strong Earnings

By Binyamin Appelbaum
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 18, 2009

FILE - In this April 21, 2009 file photo, a branch of Bank of America is shown in New York’s Times Square. Bank of America joined other big banks in reporting a big second-quarter profit Friday, July 17, 2009, even as losses from failed loans continued to rise. (AP Photo/Mark Lennihan, file) (Mark Lennihan - AP)

The huge profits reported this week by some of the nation’s largest banks showed that the government is succeeding in its rescue of the financial industry, but the details of those earnings reports made it clear that the broader economy is not seeing the benefits.

Bank of America and Citigroup yesterday became the latest megabanks to report multibillion-dollar profits in the second quarter, joining J.P. Morgan Chase and Goldman Sachs. The four banks together earned $13.6 billion only half a year after they lost a combined $20.8 billion.

Washington once celebrated such profits as evidence of economic strength, but the current round of earnings has instead become a political problem.

Simmering public anger over the pay practices of large financial companies has been fanned by the news that banks rescued so recently are now profiting so massively, particularly because trillions of dollars worth of federal aid has yet to revive lending, a critical step toward economic recovery.

The Obama administration moved yesterday to harness that anger in the service of its proposal to reform financial regulations.

The president’s chief economic adviser, Lawrence H. Summers, said after a speech at the Petersen Institute for International Economics that the profits were made possible by “the extraordinary public support provided by the federal government.” While he welcomed the performance as “a positive indicator for the economy,” Summers said that the government still needs to reform financial regulations to prevent companies from engaging in the kinds of excesses that produced the crisis.

“No one should be confused about the extent to which the public sector has provided a foundation for financial recovery,” Summers said. “And in that context, it is the obligation of the public sector to insist that reforms be put in place so that the mistakes of the past are not repeated.”

Comment by Eudemon
2009-07-18 09:12:00

“The Obama administration moved yesterday to harness that anger in the service of its proposal to reform financial regulations.”

What ire?! Obama was just vacationing for a week with big bankers on the Hamptons or wherever. Who knows why. Perhaps to praise them for keeping housing inventory off the market?

Meanwhile, CIT is left to flounder (which all banks should be). But why doesn’t Obama like CIT? Because it supports small, independent, non-government businesses? What’s another $2-3 billion to spend on an outfit that keeps untold numbers of tax-paying entities in existence?

Old news, I know.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-07-18 07:59:38

Prediction: The Plunge Protection Team will chicken out and cobble together a behind-the-scenes rescue for CIT (along the lines of the Long-term Capital Management, Countrywide and Merryl Lynch bailouts). At the end of the day, CIT will prove too-scary-to-fail.

US-BUSINESS Summary

Reuters
Saturday, July 18, 2009; 9:52 AM

CIT talks to bondholders; bankruptcy still feared

NEW YORK (Reuters) - CIT Group Inc is in talks with a group of bondholders for $2 billion to $3 billion in rescue financing as it tries hard to avoid bankruptcy, a source close to the company said late on Friday. Bankruptcy is possible if these talks fail, and CIT, a 101-year-old lender that services nearly one million small- and mid-sized businesses, is also exploring the possibility of getting debtor-in-possession (DIP) financing, the source said.

Comment by Michael Viking
2009-07-18 08:57:04

I agree, but I hope we’re wrong.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-07-18 11:10:20

I don’t see why not. If CIT is the small-businees loanmaker that they say, then they are the type of bank that I would LIKE to see bailed out. And come on, $2-3 billion? You could take that out of AIG and not even make a dent in their bonuses. :roll:

Comment by CA renter
2009-07-19 01:17:22

Agree, oxide.

Not that I’m in favor of bailing out any banks; but since the Fed/Treasury have already set the precedent with the mega-banks, it would be nice to see a “real” bank get some help when it’s needed. After all, it seems to me that CIT is actually in the business of making loans to businesses instead of sucking money from every crevice of society with manipulative trading technologies and various, “innovative” financial tools.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-07-18 08:01:51

Whither California’s budget?

Christian Science Monitor
Clock’s ticking for California budget talks

As a deal stalled over school funding cuts, warnings sounded about rising state debt and falling bond ratings.

By Michael B. Farrell | Staff writer/ July 17, 2009 edition

San Francisco

California lawmakers pushed back the start of summer recess Friday as they battle to end an epic budget stalemate that’s exacerbating a financial crisis and adding to calls for political reform.

If a deal isn’t reached soon, California’s bond rating could sink to junk status, warned state treasurer Bill Lockyer Thursday.

Legislators and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger seemed close to inking a deal earlier this week to close a $26.3 billion budget shortfall, but talks broke down Wednesday over cuts to educational spending.

“The good news is that they are on the last mile of the marathon. But even though they are close to the finish line, both sides have plenty of incentive to maintain their positions,” says Dan Schnur, executive director of the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at the University of Southern California.

Comment by GH
2009-07-18 08:40:48

The interesting thing about school spending is that spending more does not produce results. I am hearing the school teachers union is demanding future repayment of any cuts made now. As much as this assumes a quick recovery which I don’t see, I recon they will have to take thier lumps with the rest of us. Besides they have not seen how bad the 2010 budget is going to be yet…

Comment by scdave
2009-07-18 09:54:22

they have not seen how bad the 2010 budget is going to be yet…??

And what about 2011 & 2012 ?? It will dwarf this current deficit….IMO, Some sort of VAT tax is coming…It will be the only way to guarantee some sort of stable revenue…

 
Comment by Cassandra
2009-07-18 11:26:15

No, spending does not produce results. In fact, the only studies I have seen indicate that there is a small inverse correlation between spending and results.

I believe this can best be seen in the schools of Kansas City. Courts ordered tons of money to be spent. Didn’t change the results a bit.

Comment by Waiting in LA
2009-07-19 08:59:32

Throwing money at the problem could work, if the money was spent the right way. Reducing class sizes helps increase achievement…after teaching for three years in LAUSD, I am a firm believer in reduced class sizes. It may not matter so much for veteran teachers, but it matters A LOT for us newer ones. At a certain class size, with today’s highly unmotivated students, teaching simply becomes crowd control.

However, it is clear that when LAUSD gets more money, it stays put downtown or goes into teacher pay raises or protecting our awesome benefits. It costs tons of money to reduce class sizes. We threaten to raise class sizes in order to get more money, but for the most part, the smaller classes don’t happen, except in K-3. And now we are going to renege on any promises of smaller class sizes. I am not looking forward to next year. Last year, with a supposed (and already insane) 40-student limit in my 10th grade English classes, I had 47 students in one class alone. And only 42 desks, which already defies fire codes.

This year…what class size limits?

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Comment by B. Durbin
2009-07-19 17:44:05

Forty-seven students?

That’s absurd. That gets into college survey class levels. (I firmly believe that the only college courses that should be that large are survey, math, or business. Anything that requires non-regimental thought needs smaller class sizes for actual learning to occur.)

When I was in elementary school, class sizes were running in the low thirties. I once saw somewhere where they were threatening that class sizes would get up “past thirty” and wondered when they’d dropped below. But, obviously, this was not LA.

Forty-seven. Even if they were motivated, you can’t do anything in a class that large.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-07-18 09:08:59

Prof Bear:

Ed lawrence passed away a couple years ago. He was my fav.

Mr. Pendergrass is a legend.

No, I don’t know Scott Alspach personally, he was after me. However, he is a true success story, and must be extremely talented.

The whole gig reminds me of when I thought I was so smart. Funny, how growing up made me realize I don’t know Jack Poo.

School of Hard Knocks helped there too.

Talk later old Alumni.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-07-18 08:05:07

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CNSNews.com
Joe Biden: ‘We Have to Go Spend Money to Keep From Going Bankrupt’
Thursday, July 16, 2009
By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer

Vice President Joe Biden (Photo by Penny Starr/CNSNews.com) (CNSNews.com) – Vice President Joe Biden told people attending an AARP town hall meeting that unless the Democrat-supported health care plan becomes law the nation will go bankrupt and that the only way to avoid that fate is for the government to spend more money.

“And folks look, AARP knows and the people with me here today know, the president knows, and I know, that the status quo is simply not acceptable,” Biden said at the event on Thursday in Alexandria, Va. “It’s totally unacceptable. And it’s completely unsustainable. Even if we wanted to keep it the way we have it now. It can’t do it financially.”

“We’re going to go bankrupt as a nation,” Biden said.

“Now, people when I say that look at me and say, ‘What are you talking about, Joe? You’re telling me we have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt?’” Biden said. “The answer is yes, that’s what I’m telling you.”

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-07-18 09:20:02

It’s hard to know what to make of Joe. He’s almost like a court jester, babbling inanities while occasionally speaking the unvarnished truth (”We’re going to go bankrupt as a nation”) which, of course, is never to be spoken by a top gov official. (A Kinsey gaffe) And no one raises an eyebrow because it’s “just Joe being Joe”. Sometimes I wonder if Obama didn’t choose him just for comic relief. We needed it after the last VP.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-07-18 10:17:07

Kinsley gaffe- When a poltician accidentally speaks the truth.

(my morning meth hasn’t kicked in yet)

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-07-18 16:12:47

Tee Hee !!! to both alpha comments.

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Comment by drumminj
2009-07-18 09:59:02

There was a thread on this in yesterday’s bucket, if you haven’t perused that yet jeff. Lots of head scratching in there as well…

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-07-18 15:40:41

Bidens Comments : It’s the new way of getting what you want ; Offer no proof of the merits of your assertions ,but yell fire in a movie house .

Example : Just give me 700 billion so I have a big gun ,I won’t use it ,I promise .

Another example : If you don’t give me 700 billion there will be a meltdown ,and it has to be a blank check with immunity .

Another example : If you don’t buy this house you can’t afford you will be priced out of the market forever .

Another example :We have to do something about health care reform ,accept my idea or its curtains I tell you its curtains .

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-07-18 08:26:02

Keep picking on the CIA and one of these days were gonna need a lot of health care.

Indonesia suspects fugitive terrorist in bombingsJuly 18, 2009 10:26 AM ET

All Associated Press news JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) - Suspicions hardened Saturday that the fugitive leader of a Southeast Asian terrorist group masterminded suicide bomb attacks on two American luxury hotels in Indonesia’s capital that killed seven people.

Investigators examined body parts and other forensic evidence in an attempt to identify the two bombers. They confirmed the death of a third Australian in Friday’s blasts — bringing the number of confirmed foreign fatalities to at least four — and said their earlier toll of eight had included the two bombers.

Terrorism experts said they strongly suspect the attacks were orchestrated by Noordin Top, a Malaysian fugitive who heads a breakaway faction of the Southeast Asian militant network Jemaah Islamiyah.

“I’m 200 percent sure this was his work,” said Nasir Abbas, a former Jemaah Islamiyah leader turned police informant who has worked with police on investigations into Indonesia’s last three terrorist attacks.

The bombers posed as guests attacked the J.W. Marriott and Ritz-Carlton hotels in Jakarta, setting off a pair of blasts that wounded more than 50 people, authorities said.

A police investigator also told The Associated Press on Saturday that Noordin was the most likely suspect.

“Considering the target, the location and content of the bombs, it was clearly the work of Noordin,” the investigator said, declining to give his name because he wasn’t authorized to speak to the media.

He said police had confiscated handwritten notes, a cell phone and a bomb encased in a laptop computer from room 1808 of the Marriott, where the bombers had apparently prepared for the blasts.

The investigator said a hotel receptionist told police that the man who checked into the room gave his name as “Nurdin.” He gave a $1,000 cash deposit because he had no credit card, he said.

Authorities have not officially named a suspect, but suspicion quickly fell on Jemaah Islamiyah or its allies. The al-Qaida-linked network is blamed for past attacks in Indonesia, including a 2003 bombing at the Marriott in which 12 people died.

The heads of four of the bodies recovered from the blast scenes — two at each hotel — had been blown off, the police investigator said.

It has been nearly four years since the last major terrorist attack in the world’s most populous Muslim nation — a triple suicide bombing at restaurants on the resort island of Bali that killed 20 people.

Friday’s strikes raised questions about security gaps at high-end hotels, which have become popular targets for militants in recent years, most notably in Mumbai, India, where attacks in November killed 164 people.

Security was boosted at sites frequented by Westerners across the Indonesian capital of 13 million, where hotels already screen every vehicle, and guests enter through metal detectors. However, many visitors say searches are often cursory.

The attack occurred as the Marriott was hosting a regular meeting of top foreign executives of major companies in Indonesia organized by the consultancy firm CastleAsia, said the group, which is headed by an American.

Officials have identified five of the dead — three from Australia, one from New Zealand and one from Indonesia. The Health Ministry initially reported the death of a Singaporean, but police said they were unable to confirm that.

Australian Foreign Minister Stephen Smith said Saturday after meeting with his Indonesian counterpart that the dead included Trade Commission officer Craig Senger.

“The hearts of our nation go out to those families,” he said.

Family members of another Australian victim, Perth businessman Nathan Verity, were expected to identify his body Saturday before taking it home to be buried, the Australian Associated Press reported, quoting a family friend.

The dead New Zealander was identified by his employer as Timothy David Mackay, who worked for cement products manufacturer PT Holcim Indonesia.

Officials said 17 foreigners were among the wounded, including eight Americans and citizens of Australia, Canada, Hong Kong, India, Italy, the Netherlands, Norway, South Korea and Britain.

Six of the injured were being treated for burns and shrapnel wounds in Singapore, a 90-minute flight from Jakarta, said International SOS, a provider of medical assistance.

None of the Americans suffered life-threatening injuries, State Department spokesman Robert Wood said.

Two of those wounded at the Ritz-Carlton were employees of Phoenix-based Freeport McMoRan Copper & Gold Inc., said Bill Collier, a company spokesman. He declined to identity the two men or their nationalities, citing company policy, but said their injuries were not life-threatening.

The blasts at the high-rise hotels, located side-by-side in an upscale business district in Jakarta, blew out windows and scattered debris and glass across the street, kicking up a thick plume of smoke.

The attackers evaded hotel security, smuggling explosives into the Marriott and apparently assembling the bombs on the 18th floor, where an undetonated device was found after the explosions.

Security videos captured the moment of the explosion in the Marriott. The brief, grainy images show a man wearing a cap and pulling a bag on wheels walking across the lobby toward the restaurant, followed by a flash and smoke filling the air.

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-07-18 08:26:54

Haha, in one of my research papers I cited an author named Borck.

I’ve been Borcked!

 
Comment by talon
2009-07-18 08:33:15

Amusing story out of Phoenix this morning (where at 8 AM it’s already a bracing 93 degrees). I was visiting with a friend yesterday who has a friend who, over the past several months, has been “snapping up” foreclosed houses to fix and resell. Lately this segment of the market here has been getting overheated, resulting in frequent bidding wars. This person bought a house in the west valley for $80K that was in fairly decent shape, put a little money into it for paint/carpet, and listed it for sale at $112. An offer came in, but, unfortunately, the appraisal came back at just over the price he paid which killed the deal. So he called the mortgage company and asked if they couldn’t somehow find a “friendlier” appraiser. The response? “We can’t do that anymore.” This is amusing on several levels, but the tacit admission of fraud encapsulated in the word “anymore” is priceless.

This guy has lots of money so he’s not exactly going to be financially damaged by this little snafu. Still, as stuff like this gets out it may put a damper on the foreclosure knife catchers.

Comment by Eudemon
2009-07-18 09:21:58

Good to see this - and that possible fraudsters are getting nicked. Hopefully, they’ll get enough paper cuts that they’ll throw in the towel. It’ll all happen quietly, but that’s okay.

“We can’t do that anymore” is indeed priceless. Someone ought to tape record such responses and play them back to mortgage companies, appraisers, agents.

Maybe a novelty record is in order. “We can’t do that anymore” - sounds like the title of a hit song.

Our own Andy the New York dj could assemble it and play it at NAR conferences, weddings, baseball stadiums and the like. Even sell it to grocery chains who can play it over their muzak systems.

Comment by az_lender
2009-07-18 10:40:34

Hit song late 50’s (Buddy Holly)

I remember
Baby last September
How you held me tight
Each and every night
Oh well a golly gee
What have you done to me
Oh well I guess it doesn’t matter any more

There’s no use in me a cry-ay-ay-in
I’ve done everything and now I sick of try-ay-in
I’ve thrown away my nights and wasted all my days
Over you-oo-oo-oo-oo oo-oo-oo-oo-oo oo-oo-oo-oo-oo oo

Well you go your way and I’ll go mi-ay-ine
Now and forever till the end of ti-ay-ime
[anybody remember the next two lines?]
And you won’t matter any more.

*****************
Should be easy to modify this to incorporate the mortgage lyrics and Eudemon’s suggested song title.

 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-07-18 09:56:23

This is the type of seething dishonesty and moral relativism that fueled the housing bubble and has been the demise of so many people I know. There is a broad and deep belief that it’s ok to stretch the truth, misrepresent that facts and tell little white lies in the name of “business” or “profit”.

The problem is that there are no boundaries once you come to the believe that a little white lie is acceptable. You’ve already gave in to the greed and are half way down the slippery slope and don’t even know it.

The ugliness related to the events in Talon’s post is the fact that you have someone already willing to lie, distort and misresent *asking someone else to lie*. No shame, no honor, no guilt.

 
Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2009-07-18 10:08:59

I’m sorry, but the most recent comp for this home is itself, as in, *your purchase of it.*

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 11:12:16

true.. and without his adding substantial value to the property he should have known better than to take this property on as a fixer.. but dig this:

An offer came in, but, unfortunately, the appraisal came back at just over the price he paid which killed the deal.

An offer came in.. and it might well have sold at his asking price in a cash deal. There is money to be made out there.

Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2009-07-18 12:15:43

An offer without money behind it is not part of the demand curve. Sorry, it doesn’t count.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-07-18 15:47:32

Right . Nobody ever said that buyers knew what they were doing . The purpose of a appraisal is to protect the buyer from spending to much ,but more importantly ,to protect the lender
from a loss in foreclosure because of a inflated appraisal .

 
 
 
Comment by Groundhogday
2009-07-18 13:27:26

No kidding… If I was a lender and saw that someone paid $80k for a house in AZ, I’d be reluctant to value the house at $80k even if they did put a few thousand into carpeting and paint.

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 10:28:59

It sounds like your friend’s friend doesn’t know what he’s doing. His estimate of the turnover sale price was about 30% too high.
His experience wouldn’t dampen my spirits if I were in that business. Knowing my competition includes rank amateurs would encourage me.

Comment by talon
2009-07-18 13:59:22

If he knew what he was doing he probably wouldn’t be doing this at all. This is the first property he’s tried to flip. The others he’s holding as rentals, banking on appreciation. I’ve never met him, but spoke to him once on the phone (my friend conferenced me in, as in “you gotta talk to this guy.”) He’s ex-military, with some bucks behind him, and was trying to talk me into getting in on the game. I told him he’s probably buying too high even at “depressed” prices, but he argued that his proprties all cash flowed. True, but if the property you bought at $80K cash flows, think how much better it will cash flow next year when it’s $60K. Of course, that could never happen, because we’re at bottom, this is the time to buy, prices can’t go any lower, and I’m missing some great deals etc. etc.

By way of a small confession, I did look at a short sale condo in Central PHX last week. $35,000 for a 1600sf 3 bed 2 bath in an older complex, $500 HOA covers everything (including all electricity, heat, ac, water etc.) It was an OK place, but needed some work re carpet and paint. Still, it would cash flow nicely if one could rent it at $1000/mo or so, but there’s the problem–a condo is basically an apartment, and apartment rents are getting crushed around here at the moment with vacancy rates at all time highs. The complex is slightly seedy around the edges, but not awful (Windsor Place downtown @ 5th St. and Thomas for those who know the area). But it’s the sort of place where, with its old infrastructure, you can just smell the special assesments lurking a year or two out. So, curiosity satisfied and not being the landlord type, I just thanked the realtor and let it go at that.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 14:59:06

The RE market is notorious as being a trailing indicator of economic and social activity… trailing by about 3 or 4 years. It won’t recover before other parts of the economy recover, imo.

While buying a place to live in makes some sense at the RE market’s bottom, I’d prefer to put my gambling money into some other market.. one that, if it pays off, will do so sooner rather than later.

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 08:49:31

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Regulators-shut-banks-in-apf-3150718720.html?x=0

Regulators shut Calif. banks, small banks in Georgia, South Dakota; marks 57 US bank failures

* By Marcy Gordon, AP Business Writer
* On Saturday July 18, 2009, 2:36 am EDT

Comment by drumminj
2009-07-18 10:03:16

I still remember defending my habit/recommendation of keeping a decent amount of cash at the ready at home, just in case of a bank failure, bank holiday, network outage, etc. She just couldn’t grasp the thought that money wouldn’t be available (hello, are there people in the world who didn’t see what happened in NO w/ Katrina?), and wouldn’t accept the possibility that her bank could fail in this day and age.

If she were still talking to me, I’d be more than happy to point out the 57 bank failures so far this year.

And yes, I realize there’s been no interruption in access to funds for the depositors at this institution, but once you accept that your bank can fail, you need to at least entertain the option that you might not have immediate access to your funds.

Comment by CA renter
2009-07-19 01:30:44

Yes, it’s a good idea to plan for the worst and hope for the best. Some people are naive and far too trusting.

 
 
 
Comment by salinasron
2009-07-18 08:51:34

“The number of people searching for the term “economic depression” on Google is down to normal levels, Summers said.

Searches for the term were up four-fold when the recession deepened in the earlier part of the year, and the recent shift goes to show consumer confidence is higher, Summers told the Peterson Institute for International Economics.”

Unbelievable the Washington DC mindset coupled with that of the so called scholastic elite and fed to the main stream media sheepal.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-07-18 09:19:15

Every time Larry, Timmay or Benny speak you can bet the number of google searches for “douche bag” skyrocket.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-07-18 10:29:42

What about searches for “corrupt Dodd” , “corrupt Frank” , “Corrupt Bank of America” , “corrupt Giethner”, or “corrupt FDIC” ?

 
 
Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2009-07-18 10:10:42

In other news, mainstream America has resigned itself to the fact that we are in an economic depression and has stopped bothering to Google it.

Comment by Waiting in LA
2009-07-19 09:07:00

Exactly! Why bother reading about something on the Internet when it’s happening all around you in real life?

 
 
Comment by Blano
2009-07-18 12:34:58

That’s considered a positive indicator??? A green shoot??

Talk about grasping for straws.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-07-18 09:55:05

Hello fellow Goldmans. What a great day in Goldman. I am so proud to be a Goldman. I love the new president of the United States of Goldman. Go Goldman!!!

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-07-18 10:41:55

I pledge allegiance to Goldman Sachs
Once the United States of America
And to the Banking System for which it stands
One predation, UNDER GOD, mostly invisible
With liberties, and bailouts for some.
Amen

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-07-18 11:35:42

+1

 
Comment by Eudemon
2009-07-18 11:51:16

What a post alpha-sloth! The last three lines are truly wonderful.

 
Comment by rms
2009-07-18 12:08:25

+1 Grand slam, out of the park!

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-07-18 13:23:12

You just can’t put GOD above Goldman like that. Not on this planet.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-07-18 16:59:06

All men are created equal. But banksters are more equal than others.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-07-19 02:05:12

Goldman Sachs: Bankers of the landlords of the gods.

(a little joke I coined almost 20 years ago during the S&L debacle, though not about GS)

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-07-18 11:25:27

Does anybody believe that a American Corporation that sets up a
manufacturing plant in a cheaper labor country should have to give up their rights ,and be charge a high tax for importing the products back to America ?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-07-18 11:32:15

I wonder if wages would go up if top execs could only make up to a multiple (20x?) of their average employee’s pay?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-07-18 11:35:36

And outsourcing manufacturing to a shell company was not tolerated.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-07-18 11:37:40

Or even better the offshore wages were included in the salary averages, shell company or not.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 11:59:12

Companies cannot be taxed. They are never taxed in the sense that taxes cost the company money..

Taxes, along with all the other various and sundry costs of running a business are paid by consumers.

If consumers want to pay more for the same product, go ahead and tax the company or industry that produces it.

If you want to make a product so expensive to produce that the company suffers or cannot produce it and still make an acceptable profit, then tax it to your hearts desire.
That company will either:
a) stop making the product, or
b) go out of business, taking whatever jobs it provided with it, or
c) relocate the whole enterprise to a less business-averse environment.

Comment by drumminj
2009-07-18 12:33:56

Taxes, along with all the other various and sundry costs of running a business are paid by consumers.

One difference, however, is that they can be taxed differently. You’re right that the costs get passed on. But due to preferential treatment by municipalities, one organization may have less of a tax burden to pass on to consumers than another.

Yet another argument for getting rid of taxation of companies…it’s a tool used for favoritism amongst politicians (see the subsidies Simon properties got for the Domain project in Austin. The existing local businesses got the shaft).

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 12:36:17

Do companies move production offshore specifically to avoid paying high wages to American workers? No.

They move offshore because something out there offers lower costs.. they ultimately save money somehow, or make more money. Offshore costs them less, bottom line..

To put that another way..
If you reduce the cost of doing business in the USA to a level where the company makes as much as it did manufacturing offshore, you remove the incentive to move production offshore. They will return and manufacture here because the higher cost of American labor is negated by the new savings.

Forget labor. Just reduce their costs somehow.. reduce their insurance costs.. or taxes.. or maybe the cost of and threats of litigation.. or the cost of their environmental responsibilities.

yeah.. i know.. i’m talking blasphemy..

Comment by exeter
2009-07-18 14:30:36

Not blasphemy. Just stupid lies.

Corporations and their workers domiciled in the US going up against foreign GOVERNMENTS that support their industries is not competition but stupidity.

So why keep lying about it?

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 15:08:05

I don’t quite get you. Are you saying that some of our foreign competition is not playing fair because of foreign government support?

If so, do what I’m suggesting.. fight fire with fire.
Demand that our government support our manufacturing base. They can start by lowering the government imposed costs of manufacturing in the USA.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-07-18 17:29:10

How about imposing tarriffs on imports like asian countries levy on our exports?

How about a national health insurance system for our workforce like toyota, hundai, honda and kia workers earn?

Naaah… That would expose the 30 year old supply side corporatist lie that the US isn’t competitive, builds inferior quality products among other favorite propaganda pieces of the supply side/corporatist creeps.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 18:52:04

hmm… i don’t quite get you.. twice in a row.

You first describe our foreign competition as being corporatist, Then you suggest that we become more like them.. and then you express distaine for our already being corporatist.

Wiktionary.. corporatism:
Political system in which power is exercised through large organizations (businesses, trade unions, etc) working in concert with each other, under the direction of the state.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 20:39:05

Yea fight fire WITH fire. All other countries put tariffs on their products and we tossed ours out.

We have no protections at all that compare with other countries imports.
I believe that the source was during the 90s. CONgress and SENate with R’s. And that nutjob Thomas Friedman who thought it was all fine and dandy that we should be a global economy. He didn’t/doesn’t give a sht that all our jobs got axed or shipped overseas. Now what does he really think.. but he has his.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-07-19 13:34:38

“Yea fight fire WITH fire. All other countries put tariffs on their products and we tossed ours out.”

DD…. that’s too hard for joey to understand.

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-07-18 12:58:15

Well maybe that Company will build the product in America because there will be no advantage to produce it in a cheap labor Country .The whole idea is to make it favorable to manufacture in America ,not the opposite . If prices go up because products are manufactured in
America ,I think the American people will be willing to absorb those
cost in favor of having jobs to be able to buy products to begin with .

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 13:22:46

First build a wall around the USA.. nothing goes in or out. Then your plan might work.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-07-18 16:21:08

I never said that trade should stop . You just got to have the proper trade balances and tariffs on imports and exports .

Joey ,you can’t tell me that Japan didn’t charge big import taxes on the imports from America for years (don’t know what they are doing now ).it’s the intelligent thing to do .

You are just painting pictures of extreme examples . You don’t need to build a wall to go back to days gone by systems that worked when the World didn’t have policy mandated by
Wall Street that bought off near-sighted Politicians .

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 17:29:38

If the objective is to go back to days gone by, a wall won’t be enough. We’ll need a roof as well.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-07-18 19:42:39

Joey ,give me the pluses of the current Global systems that are operative and was the system that created a Global crash and massive unemployment in America . Do you think that we should just have a 25% unemployment rate forever and the government pays for those people because Big Business must be supplemented in its quest for the cheapest labor source it can find ?

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 20:40:42

Joey, housing wizard is right on this one…and we are seeing it daily. No need for a wall, but if all other countries have protections on their exports and we don’t, and they have all our jobs..what then. HW is correct.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-18 21:52:06

HW.. Housing mania caused the economic crash. Why is it so easy for people, especially HBBers, to forget this little detail?

We the people spent and gambled away enormous amounts of borrowed money and cannot pay it back. Our stupidity practically destroyed the banking system. Banks were equally stupid in lending it to us in the first place.
Now all of us will suffer the consequences.

We weren’t hypnotized or drugged or forced to act like maniacs. We did it willingly. Now, in the middle of our suffering, we’d do it again in a heartbeat if we only someone would lend us more party-money.

Admittedly I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but how on earth you can connect US manufacturers offshoring labor with a global economic collapse certainly eludes me..
—-
desertdweller
They don’t have “all our jobs”. They have the dirtiest, most polluting, most physically difficult and most energy intensive jobs. They have the smokestacks, industrial ovens and grease pits… the noise, the stink and the pollution.

For several decades we have been pushing, punishing and trying every which-way of getting rid of large scale industrial manufacturers in order to clean this place up.. preserve what’s left of our environment.. and we’ve almost succeeded.. and on the brink of success we complain that there are no manufacturing jobs??

What’s the diagnosis doctor.. are we just bipolar or is it more serious?

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-07-19 02:09:52

Wow. So much wrong information here.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-07-19 11:30:14

Joey …China doesn’t care to enforce pollution standards ,so their problems are in part how they do things. American manufacturing
with pollution standards would be more expensive no doubt ,but environment concerns is part of the American way . Be decent to employees is part of the American way also .

You can’t say that all those telephone service jobs that are handled by
a foreign work force are back-breaking jobs . God if we just brought back those non-polluting jobs to Americans ,we could employ a lot of people .

While you are right that people became big gamblers in the Real
Estate ponzi -scheme ,which resulted in a royal crash ,it doesn’t take away the fact that Americans need jobs and ponzi schemes are not going to suffice as a way for Americans to make a living .
Its painfully clear that Wall Street and Big Business clearly encouraged the American people to buy on credit ,and the only concern was short term profits from this boom buying . The scheme was to encourage people that they didn’t need a job to become wealthy ,just buy real estate or go into leveraged debt to get the life-style you deserve . it was mass brainwashing by the cats who controlled the air=waves ,advertising and the media .

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-07-19 12:20:55

A bank’s whole gig is to lend. They sell money for a living. I’m not surprised they encourage people to borrow. Banks have done so since the beginning of time.

Why a bank would destroy itself by lending to people stupid enough to borrow what they couldn’t repay is kinda curious.. You think banls did it for short term profits?
—–

Wall street itself was crushed when armies of investors got stuck with mortgage backed paper.. At first they couldn’t get enough of it. They begged lenders to write more and more mortgages. Investors bought the paper because they believed property prices would continue to rise.

I don’t see any brainwashing here.. i see a desire to make money.
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American manufacturing with pollution standards would be more expensive no doubt ,but environment concerns is part of the American way

You can’t have your cake and eat it too. Make it expensive to play here and they will go where it’s less expensive… unless you force them to stay or try to artificially control prices and wages, imports and exports…
I prefer open markets and healthy competition.
——–

Communication (including the internet) is global. There is no way to perform a global service without “globalization”.

Like any industry, the communication industry searches for the cheapest labor within it’s scope of operation. In this case, that scope is the planet called Earth. Inhabitants of some particular country or continent are not favored over any other. Costs and skill are the determining factors.

American telecommunications workers have to compete with the world. So do many other categories of workers.

There was a time when we weren’t so afraid of doing so… a time when we had the fortitude to rise and conquer.. i guess we’ve changed..

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-07-19 22:21:12

I don’t know if you are still around Joey ,but just a few more words .
Of course Banks encourage loans ,but the old rules were that they didn’t breach their duty to underwrite the loans and make sure the people qualify . Same problem happened in the 1920’s regarding Wall Street and margin buying or leverage buying of stocks . When the same party that sells a investment is the same party that allows a high leverage loan ,just because they want to sell the investment , you set up a conflict of interest .

Regarding foreign workers handling telephone complaints and service for a Company ……aren’t you getting a little sick of
people you can’t understand responding to your complaint on your billing from some company you do business with ?
Not only are the products from over seas a cheap knock off of quality ,but so are the service reps that handle the out-sourced telephone jobs . Corporations apparently don’t care about service anymore . its just sell something and than make it difficult to complain or make it impossible to complain .

You keep arguing that global cheap labor is a right ,but you ignore quality ,you ignore the fact that you don’t Bk a Country just so American Corporations can make the highest possible profits they can imagine . American Corporations got lucky that they were able to change policy by buying out dumb politicians ,and you can see the results my friend ,you can see the results .

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by crash1
2009-07-18 11:58:44

Does anyone here know anything about the Kanab, Utah market? My sister just told me she bought a house without even looking at it. Says the price and interest rate couldn’t be beat. Oh well, I tried.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-07-18 12:26:04

HAHAHAAHAHahahahahAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahAHAHAHAHAA…..
HahahahahHAHAHAHAHAhHahahahhhahaHAHAHAHAHAhh…..

*suddenly, fluffy Oly-head explodes *

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-07-18 13:09:44

+!

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-07-18 14:11:49

Oly, that is hilarious!!! :)

 
 
Comment by tresho
2009-07-18 12:34:01

Could it be there is no such place as Kanab, Utah, that it just exists as a place to scam FB’s?

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-07-18 12:51:07

http://kanab.utah.gov/

good place to do drugs while you are waiting for your life to end

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-07-18 14:13:52

That is hilarious too! :)

I think I’ll go there, “ATE-UP bein’ Kanab Utarr bound baby”!!!

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 20:43:03

The city of Kanab, county seat of Kane County, is often called “Little Hollywood” because of its film-making history over the years.

 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-07-18 13:00:49

“My sister just told me she bought a house without even looking at it. Says the price and interest rate couldn’t be beat. Oh well, I tried.”

What?! This is exactly why this thing is far from over. The speculation is rampant, still.

 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-07-18 13:07:15

I tried to live there once, lasted two weeks. I recall it well.

I went into the bookstore looking for a book by Ed Abbey (a critic of most things human, in particular the Mormon religion) and couldn’t understand why I was treated with a great deal of pariahness. When I left, my accompanying friend couldn’t stop laughing, we had been in an LDS bookstore and didn’t know it.

We had an incident involving the local hospital, my friend fell and hit his head, passed out in the heat. The doc asked him if he’s peed his pants (he hadn’t), thought it was funny, he was an ex-Army doc. It cost a fortune to treat him, he had a minor concussion, he had to have his dad send 5k before they would even look at him (no insurance). We were told later by locals that most people went to St. George for medical treatment.

I remember walking around town at night, marvelling at the huge roaches strolling down the sidewalks alongside me, unafraid.

I was told to beware of hiking in the surrounding terrain, it was infested with rattlers.

The ATVers own everything, they travel the countryside with impunity. The whole town battles with the BLM. The town is made up of rednecks and people who work at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary, who are held in deep suspicion by the rednecks.

Beware if you have any kind of sticker on your car that could mark you as even vaguely sympathetic to environmental issues or as an outsider. Put mud over your license plates if they’re not from Utah…

I could add more, but I need to talk to a diplomat from the EU who is complaining about having paid $7.50 sales tax on his really cheap room (60 for a family of 4) (am helping a friend at her little tourist trap)…

Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-07-18 13:26:15

marvelling at the huge roaches strolling down the sidewalks alongside me, unafraid

I get that same feeling when I’m walking through the Financial District. Too bad those roaches wear fancy suits and yap endlessly on cell phones. I wish I had a foot big enough to stomp on them.

Comment by Eudemon
2009-07-18 16:06:11

LOL - as can be expected, NYCityBoy.

Roaches have a penchant for electric current.

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 20:46:08

“We had an incident involving the local hospital, my friend fell and hit his head, passed out in the heat. The doc asked him if he’s peed his pants (he hadn’t), thought it was funny, he was an ex-Army doc. It cost a fortune to treat him, he had a minor concussion, he had to have his dad send 5k before they would even look at him (no insurance). We were told later by locals that most people went to St. George for medical treatment.”

Hence the reason for a better health care system. If this had happened in the UK, europe, S. America etc, Japan, Norway the list goes on..you never would have been charged and be seen right away, oh yea, and taken seriously. Not like the ex military MD laughing at your friend.

 
 
Comment by pismoclam
2009-07-18 19:36:46

I googled Kanab. When they started talking about 105F and A.C. it was enough for me. Looking at old rocks doesn’t make it unless they’re 24 caract ones.

 
 
Comment by BanteringBear
2009-07-18 12:46:56

The number of speculators in the real estate market right now is almost unbelievable. I just saw a news snippet of a guy in Detroit who has purchased 250 properties so far. He is flipping them, though they didn’t say how buyers were obtaining financing, and these are very, very poor neighborhoods. Las Vegas has recently seen the most sales per month in it’s history. In northern, NV, the speculators are almost in a feeding frenzy as there are multiple offers on low end properties. While the prices may seem inexpensive as compared to the market peak, I still think they are overpaying when all is said and done. Furthermore, can a market really be considered healthy when it’s mostly driven by speculators? We’ve got 2005 all over again, albeit at lower prices. This can not end well, IMO.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-07-18 16:57:08

I just spoke with a UHS at our subdivision’s annual picnic (High Country West — 92127). To hear him tell it, the market has done very well in these parts this year, as reflected by low MLS inventory. He mentioned the return of investors as a significant factor driving down inventory. The top economists in the country appear to have successfully signaled their intention to reflate the housing bubble, and a significant number of non-end-users are responding by snapping up houses at what they apparently believe is the bottom.

He did not seem to have any good explanations for where all the foreclosure inventory is hiding, nor did he seem overwhelmingly optimistic over the headwinds of unemployment north of 10 pct or pick-a-pay loan resets. All told, he was one of the more circumspect UHS’s I have ever engaged in conversation.

I am truly befuddled about the implications of a clear attempt by economists in top policy posts to respike the real estate punchbowl, and its effect on non-end-user investors (again) buying multiple houses, just like in the first half of this decade. However, I do often reflect on the story of Sir Isaac Newton, an investor in the South Sea Bubble, who went back for more when he saw the bubble reflating in what turned out to be a dead cat bounce. My best guess (and sincerest hope) is that we are now seeing the analogous post-bubble bounce, and that the flood of Alt-A and prime- resets over the next three years will sink the fortunes of the latest entrants to the real estate investing craze. I cannot see buying a home for more than eight times the local median income, which is what they have recently been selling for in the local area.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 20:52:08

116 today, decided to venture out midday? must be stir crazy.
grocerie shopping, cause as you guys know, even if the frig is full, it just doesn’t have what you want, when you want it.

Anyway, my gated ‘hood had one 2/2 condo taken off mkt
3/2 @ new on mkt $399 all fixed up. The other 3/2 lowered from 475k 6mos ago to 419k.
And so it goes. SLow but hopefully faster now.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-07-19 01:45:55

PB,

Seriously, try throwing around a few lowball offers and see what happens. We’ve been doing this, and going to multiple open houses, etc., just to get a feel for what’s going on, and it is useless. I’m not kidding when I say the market is on fire here in San Diego.

Don’t know what to make of it, or what’s driving it, but it is what it is for now… :*(

 
 
 
Comment by tresho
2009-07-18 12:50:51

Amish emergency care: Amish farmer Josiah Yoderhad PSVT, just like he told me. And he required synchronized cardioversion about once every year or two. He had been offered ablative surgery many times. But he considered how often he required cardioversion and decided that the cost of surgery wasn’t worth it.

Despite the fact that he had an active lifestyle and no cardiac risk factors, I explained to him I couldn’t guarantee that he hadn’t had a small heart attack without a full set of cardiac enzymes. I emphasized the fact that the stress of his prolonged rapid rate could put him at risk. He was used to reading between the lines and got my CYA message loud and clear. “Don’t worry, doctor,” he said in deep tones as he patted my arm with his worn hand. “I won’t sue you if something happens to me. Just shock me with the paddles and I’ll be on my way.”

“OK,” I said reluctantly. Turning to the charge nurse I ordered my usual preparation for conscious sedation.

“Oh, that won’t be necessary,” he said. “It only hurts for a second or two. It feels like a horse has kicked ye. But then it’s over real quick. I don’t need any of yer IVs or medicine.”

Surprised, I looked around to see that the charge nurse hadn’t even started with the IV prep. Instead, she gave me a knowing look and said, “He never uses any sedation.”…this man was going to pay the full price of what I billed for my services. And he was going to pay it in cash…that day. Mr. Yoder’s bill was a fraction of what would normally have been charged for that diagnosis.

Comment by yensoy
2009-07-19 07:17:18

Loved the article, thanks for sharing tresho!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-07-18 13:17:50

“To burden a country currently in the throes of a violent recession with such a bureaucratic albatross clearly illustrates the scarcity of economic intelligence in Washington.” ~Peter Schiff

Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 20:54:28

testing. sheesh.

Amen to Schiff.

Scarcity of economic intelligence in DCA is OBVIOUS.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-07-18 13:49:55

Benito Obama is pushing as fast as he can… Who pays?

Prescription for Disaster
by Peter Schiff

The health care bill unveiled this week by the House of Representatives (with the full support of the Obama administration) is one of the worst pieces of legislation ever drafted. If passed, it will reduce the quality and increase the cost of health care in America. But more importantly, it will severely undermine our already weak economy. To burden a country currently in the throes of a violent recession with such a bureaucratic albatross clearly illustrates the scarcity of economic intelligence in Washington.

In the first place, specifically taxing the rich to pay for health care for the uninsured is the wrong way to think about tax policy and is an unconstitutional redistribution of wealth. While the government has the constitutional power to tax to “promote the general welfare,” it does not have the right to tax one group for the sole and specific benefit of another. If the government wishes to finance national health insurance, the burden of paying for it should fall on every American. If that were the case, perhaps Congress would think twice before passing such a monstrosity.

In the second place, the bill is just plain bad economics. For an administration that claims to want to create jobs, this bill is one of the biggest job-killers yet devised. By increasing the marginal income tax rate on high earners (an extra 5.4% on incomes above 1 million), it reduces the incentives for small business owners to expand their companies. When you combine this tax hike with the higher taxes that will kick in once the Bush tax-cuts expire, and add in the higher income taxes being imposed by several states, many business owners might simply choose not to put in the extra effort necessary to expand their businesses. Or, given the diminishing returns on their labor, they may choose to enjoy more leisure. More leisure for employers means fewer jobs for employees.

More directly, mandating insurance coverage for employees increases the cost of hiring workers. Under the terms of the bill, small businesses that do not provide insurance will be required to pay a tax as high as 8% of their payroll. Since most small businesses currently could not afford to grant 8% across-the-board pay hikes, they will have to offset these costs by reducing wages. However, for employees working at the minimum wage, the only way for employers to offset the costs would be through layoffs.

The uninsured self-employed, or those working as independent contractors, will be forced to buy insurance or pay a tax equal to 2.5% of annual income. Either choice will divert resources from more productive uses into an already out-of-control health care bureaucracy.

Sadly, the bill does nothing to restrain or alter the dynamics that have caused health care costs to spiral ever higher. In fact, the bill will intensify these pressures.

The simplest (but by no means fullest) explanation of why health care costs so much is that demand exceeds supply. Demand is a function of how much people are prepared to pay. Insuring more people will drive demand for health care services even higher. (To truly get a handle on out-of-control health care costs, we need more people paying for routine medical care out of pocket, and tort reform for medical malpractice. See my previous commentary.)

As costs continue to soar, expect additional tax hikes to fund the added expense. As these additional taxes further encumber a weak economy, the diminished tax base will yield lower total tax revenues – despite higher rates. As the politicians attempt to pass ever higher increases to make up for revenue shortfalls, a vicious cycle toward insolvency will ensue.

The worst part of the whole fiasco is trying to imagine the bureaucracy necessary to administer this plan. My guess is that the government provider will mis-price its policies on the low side, pushing employers to dump private sector insurance for the taxpayer-subsidized alternative. Such a system will further distort health care pricing and, ultimately, make a bad situation intolerable.

The enormity, complexity, and expense of this bill could well pull the rug out from what many of my cheerleading colleagues believe to be the beginning of an economic recovery. The way I see it, the economy is walking dead anyway, and this measure is the equivalent of a stake through the heart. But even if we manage to escape the grave this time, Congress is working on a few other ideas that will surely keep us buried.

Comment by krazy bill
2009-07-18 16:12:30

The marginal tax rates in 1954 through 1963 were lowest- 20%; highest-91%. This was one of the most dynamic, prosperous times in America’s economic history; i was there and saw it. Real wealth was created, not paper.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-07-18 16:52:54

I would have to know what kind of profits businesses are really making to determine if this extra health cost burden would crack their backs or not . If business passed the cost on to consumers in the form of
higher prices on products ,or lower wages in response ,than the bill goes back on the peoples back . Just what kind of profit margins
do business expect these days ? Is business spoiled by the boom years
whereby Business didn’t give amble pay raises or benefits while they expected their employees to be compensated by the wealth effect of
the fake real estate prices ? I know what Wall Street would want
regarding profits for a Company . Its a timeless battle as to what % business gets and what % does the employees get of the pie.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 20:55:41

The REAL books would be nice to look at.
Not the cooked books.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-07-18 16:47:29

“The health care bill unveiled this week by the House of Representatives (with the full support of the Obama administration) is one of the worst pieces of legislation ever drafted.”

Is it really as bad as Hitlary’s plan that never got off the ground in the early 1990s?

Comment by desertdweller
2009-07-18 20:58:49

Her plan never got off the ground, cause all those fat old hypocritical wealthy white men didn’t like her,she wasn’t a man. And while they were all boinking someone, not their own wives, they were jealous of broncoBill. We still have all those old hypocritical fat wealthy bigoted racist white men ruling the land.

Please vote them ALL out.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-07-18 21:42:10

I have a problem with combining the private with a government health system . How is it possible ?
It seems kind of weird to say that you have to choose the government or private program and after you make a choice you can’t change forever more and all that jazz..Life circumstances can change ,so I don’t think that clause about making a choice you have to live with is practical . I know currently usually with Companies or Medicare you have to make a choice at the beginning of each year .

 
 
 
Comment by salinasron
2009-07-18 14:21:28

Well I just went for a walk to check out an open house just a mile plus away. I wanted to see if anyone out this way had any idea on how to build a house, especially when people were paying $500K and above. Doesn’t seem like it so far. This one was now listed as $385K. Pictures on the internet (Trulia in this case) do lie, not Trulia’s fault, just the RE crowd putting their best talents to work. The RE’s present even had a broker there to pre-qualify me. When I pointed out the errors in the floor plan one RE piped up and told me that I could change that. My response, “at this price it better be turn-key perfect”.
Then I told them that I’m looking to see what’s out there and I have no intention to buying until I see what the neighborhood is going to look like after all this musical house playing is over. They agreed that all the dead and dying lawns don’t make one anxious to buy.
The best part was when I mentioned looking at the on-line sites of Redfin and Trulia and how it looked as though someone had shot the different housing areas up this way with a 410 shotgun. I love the sound of an audible sigh. Now I’m sitting here typing and drinking an ‘orange blossom amber beer’ before I hit the really hard stuff.

 
Comment by robiscrazy
2009-07-18 15:22:45

So, I was going thru my mp3s this afternoon and ran across this gem from 1983 performed by Keith Morris and the Circle Jerks. Seems appropriate for today’s political climate. Think it’s also on the Repo Man soundtrack.

————————————————————

in a sluggish economy
inflation,recession
hits the land of the free
standing in unemployment lines
blame the government for hard time

we just get by
however we can
we all gotta duck
when the s*it hits the fan

10 kids in a Cadillac
stand in lines for welfare checks
let’s all leach off the state
gee!the money’s really great!

soup lines
free loaves of bread
5lb blocks of cheese
bags of groceries
social security
has run out on you and me
we do whatever we can
gotta duck when the s*it hits the fan

Comment by jeff saturday
2009-07-18 16:55:40

I thought Uncle Dickie’s Shameless Quickies did that.

Comment by robiscrazy
2009-07-18 18:11:50

Uncle Dickie’s Shameless Quickies

you guys and your band names are pretty funny.

 
 
Comment by sweeping changes
2009-07-18 20:11:33

I sure miss the 80’s. Even though it was harsh, it was not terrifying and socialism was the enemy back then.

Comment by robiscrazy
2009-07-18 20:37:30

No doubt. In the 80’s Even the punk rockers objected to government assistance and wrote songs about it. Punkers were also poor as dirt, slept in squats, and clawed their way out of poverty.

Read up on SST records and Black Flag. Great stories about loosing money playing gigs and going hungry. Great DIY ethic.

 
 
 
Comment by Groundhogday
2009-07-18 15:50:17

For the first time, some I actually know is taking the “ruthless default” way out (No. Cal, Santa Rosa). But her Mom just bought a house in the same town as an “investment” because it was “cheap” and is trying to get the son/brother to rent it at above market rates… so she can “break even.”

They are still selling crazy out there.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-07-18 19:16:46

For gods sake is pilosis mouse OK
Dozens injured in San Francisco light-rail crashJuly 18, 2009 9:47 PM ET

All Associated Press news SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Several dozen people were injured when two San Francisco light-rail trains collided Saturday afternoon at the West Portal Station, authorities said.

Forty-four people were taken to hospitals — three with what appeared to be severe injuries — when a San Francisco Municipal Railway L train rear-ended a K train at the boarding platform about 2:30 p.m., officials said.

“This is probably one of the largest multiple-casualty incidents in recent years (in San Francisco),” said Pat Gardner, a deputy chief with the San Francisco Fire Department.

The tiny mouse that became a hotly disputed symbol of wasteful spending in the congressional debate over the $787 billion economic stimulus bill has returned to pester House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The Obama administration quietly announced last week that as much as $16.1 million from the stimulus program is going to save the San Francisco Bay area habitat of, among other things, the endangered salt marsh harvest mouse.

That has revived Republican criticism that the pet project was an “invisible earmark” in the massive spending bill for Mrs. Pelosi, whose San Francisco district abuts the bay, and epitomizes the failure of stimulus spending to help an economy still shedding jobs.

“Lo and behold, the government has announced that the mouse is getting its money after all,” House Minority Leader John A. Boehner said while standing beside a poster of the furry varmint. “Speaker Pelosi must be so proud.”…

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-07-19 03:10:37

With appraisals now in lenders’ hands, Realtors worry that lower valuations will stifle any recovery
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By JEFF OSTROWSKI

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Sunday, July 19, 2009

Realtor Robert Garrison thought he had put together solid deals for two homes in Palm Beach County. Then the appraisals arrived.

One property, west of Lake Worth, had a contract for $257,000. The appraisal came in at $180,000. The other home, in Loxahatchee, found a buyer willing to pay $250,000. The appraiser’s estimate: $215,000.

Sometimes a home sale can be salvaged despite a low appraisal. Doug Clark of Boca Raton Realty said he represented buyers in two recent sales west of Boca Raton.

In one sale, the contract price was $210,000, and the appraisal came in at $200,000.

In the other, the buyer offered $275,000, but the appraiser valued the house at $260,000.

In both cases, the buyer agreed to pay a little more, the seller agreed to take a little less, and Realtors on both sides of the deal gave up part of their commissions.

Clark blames the lenders, not the appraisers, for low values. One house boasted new windows, a new roof, a new air conditioner and a renovated kitchen, yet the lender allowed the appraiser to raise the home’s value by only $5,000.

‘The underwriters, who never see the property, are giving guidelines to the appraisers,’ Clark said. ‘The appraisers can’t really give their honest opinion.’

The buyer of the Loxahatchee home decided to pay cash, but the other deal is languishing, Garrison said.

“To be selling at $257,000 and get a $180,000 appraisal is insanity,” said Garrison, an agent at Keller Williams Realty. “It’s killing the market.”

Garrison’s gripe isn’t just sour grapes from a Realtor who lost a commission in a difficult economy. Realtors, mortgage brokers and home builders across the country say lowball appraisals threaten to stall the housing recovery before it starts.

In separate surveys this month by the National Association of Realtors, the National Association of Home Builders and John Burns Real Estate Consulting, real estate professionals cited appraisals as a major obstacle. In the NAR survey, 37 percent of Realtors said they had lost deals because of appraisals.

Because mortgage amounts are based on appraisers’ estimates, appraisals are a crucial cog in the machinery of the housing market, but the cog seems to have ground to a halt in recent months.

After suffering huge losses from plummeting property values, lenders are leaning on appraisers to be more cautious. And appraisers’ jobs have grown more difficult amid wild swings in prices and sales volumes.

To some extent, deal-killing appraisals are the natural fallout of a wrenching real estate bust. Prices plunged, and appraised values followed.

Adding to the pain, “distressed” deals — foreclosures and short sales — make up a huge chunk of transactions, and those bargain-basement prices create a point of comparison for appraisers valuing houses whose sellers are not underwater.

“The inappropriate use of foreclosed and distressed sales as comparables is driving down the values of everything,” said Jay Carlson, a home builder in Punta Gorda and president of the Florida Home Builders Association.

Appraisers took a heaping helping of blame for the housing bubble. Some say they’ve responded by becoming too careful.

“All this pressure is being put on the appraisers,” Garrison said. “They’re so scared, they’re so gun-shy, that they’re finding the lowest comps they can.”

New rules stoke outrage

It seems every Realtor has a horror story.

Dave Petruzzelli of Petruzzelli Real Estate in Boca Raton recently helped a friend dispute a lowball appraisal on a 3,000-square-foot house in Boca Raton. The homeowner needed the appraisal to refinance his mortgage.

The first estimate came in at $230,000. After Petruzzelli wrote a five-page letter, the appraiser tried again and came up with a much higher figure: $650,000.

“It was absolutely ridiculous,” he said of the huge swing in value.

It’s not just low appraisals frustrating Realtors, mortgage brokers and builders. They’re also outraged by new rules that have upended the way appraisals were conducted for years.

Beginning May 1, all home loans bought by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the mortgage giants that account for more than half of all loans, must follow the Home Valuation Code of Conduct. The new rules forbid mortgage brokers from ordering appraisals.

Instead, lenders must order appraisals. The appraiser can be an employee of the lender, but more commonly the appraiser is hired by a third party known as an appraisal management company.

The rules discourage appraisers from talking to Realtors and mortgage brokers about their price estimates. The new guidelines, negotiated last year by New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, aim to end the cozy relationships among appraisers, Realtors and mortgage brokers that encouraged inflated values.

‘Doing a haphazard job’

The new rules have created a litany of side effects, Realtors and mortgage brokers say. For starters, appraisal management companies sometimes take hefty fees that discourage experienced appraisers from working for them.

“I don’t think the appraiser is intentionally trying to kill the deal,” said Alan Sperling of Mortgage & Investment Consultants in Boca Raton. “But the appraisers are going out and doing a haphazard job because they’re not getting paid very much.”

Wellington appraiser Gina Rascati said she does not work with appraisal management companies because they take as much as half of the appraisal fee. On a typical appraisal that costs the borrower $350 to $400, the appraiser might keep only $175 to $200.

“I don’t know how appraisers are able to do appraisals at that price,” Rascati said. “The only way they can is to do it so fast and cut so many corners. The appraisal management companies want the cheapest appraisal they can get.”

What’s more, appraisal management companies often assign properties to appraisers who don’t know the local market.

Vince Laviano, owner of Better Homes and Gardens Real Estate in Palm City, said the new rules mean appraisers from Broward and Indian River counties come to Martin County to appraise homes.

“It’s pretty bad when you’ve got an appraiser calling a listing broker and saying, ‘Where is that property? How do I get there?’ ” Laviano said. “Anybody can do an appraisal, but you’ve got to know the market to really understand the trends.”

With the Home Valuation Code of Conduct sparking so much discontent, NAR, NAHB and the Appraisal Institute have put a full-court press on Congress, aiming to change or delay the rules.

Cuomo argues that the rules are necessary and that critics are looking for someone to blame for a cratering housing market.

“With home prices falling and foreclosures rising, this complaint is simply wrong and risks returning us to a corrupt system filled with conflicts of interest that promoted artificially inflated values,” Cuomo spokeswoman Emily Browne told The Associated Press.

Comment by robiscrazy
2009-07-19 15:48:46

Let’s see, we have the three approaches to valuation:

1. Cost Valuation - Cost to build identical house
2. Income Valuation - Present Value of any future cash flows
3. Market Valuation - What similar homes in the area sell for

If we assume that someone is willing to buy at say $200 K then we could technically call that Market value. So then if an appraiser brings it in at $150K, maybe we could add a fourth valuation method.

4. Lender Valuation - Value based on what someone is willing to risk lending

That way there’s no argument, they buyer just coughs up the extra 50K if they really want the home. Problem with the appraisers solved!

 
 
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