August 6, 2009

Bits Bucket For August 6, 2009

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Comment by Stpn2me
2009-08-06 06:56:11

Good Morning Everyone!!!!

Got the chance today to debate someone who said the housing market at Bragg was “different” than everywhere else….

It was fun..

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 07:04:49

You didn’t Bragg after you dusted Dude, did you Step?

Comment by Stpn2me
2009-08-06 07:10:14

Naw, he is a friend. But the look on his face when I listed the reasons I thought RE would fall another 10-20% in the next two years turned him sheet white. While true, with BRAC and the added personnel RE in fayetteville wont be going a long way down, unemployment in the general area will depress prices somewhat…

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 07:28:44

“sheet white”…

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Comment by dude
2009-08-06 09:36:57

Is he drinking hydrogen peroxide?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 11:39:42

no, he’s sheeting his pants

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-08-06 13:18:32

uh wouldn’t that be sheeet brown?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 15:03:30

white face, brown pants

 
Comment by ahansen
2009-08-06 21:30:14

You are sooooo outed, alpha.

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-08-06 07:59:03

Well the “BRAC will save us” meme probably does mean more there than in most places where it’s heard. Certainly a bunch of O-3s moving to Bethesta Naval Hospital are not going to support 650k prices in Bethesda.

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Comment by polly
2009-08-06 10:43:40

Thank you! That talk is rampant and makes me want to puke. Oh and $800K is just about right for a 4/2 in most of Potomac. Bleh.

 
 
Comment by james
2009-08-06 09:52:44

Go easy on them Stpn2me. Most people are not prepared and are taking huge losses that will crush them financially for more than a decade. Credit rating trashed, life saving for downpayment gone and no fast recovery.

Bankers… mmmm… just shoot the Fu****s.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2009-08-06 07:29:25

Thank Goldman for another Goldman day! Goldman.

 
Comment by Muddyfoot
2009-08-06 08:02:16

Fayetteville, one of the armpits of NC. Jacksonville is the other and Durham is the crotch. If buying in a hot, crime infested hellhole is your cup-o-tea, then tell him to have at it! It’s probably a lot like Afghanistan, only more humid.

Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-08-06 08:55:48

Is Raleigh-Durham that bad? I figured it was one of the to-move places.

Comment by Muddyfoot
2009-08-06 09:03:16

Raleigh is good, Durham-not so much.

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Comment by Stpn2me
2009-08-06 09:33:09

I figured it was one of the to-move places.

I wonder if you heard me laugh all the way from here…

 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-08-06 10:01:43

I’ve heard that some parts of Durham are nice, and some parts of Raleigh are not so nice.

I guess I’d rather own a house in the nicest part of Durham than in the worst part of Raleigh.

 
Comment by Muddyfoot
2009-08-06 10:45:34

In Raleigh the not so nice is the ghetto. Durham is all ghetto. The only rich folks in Durham live in and around Duke University, and they’re all Yankees (hey I’m a UNC fan, we all hate Dook!).

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-06 06:57:51

About half of U.S. mortgages seen underwater by 2011.

NEW YORK (Reuters) – The percentage of U.S. homeowners who owe more than their house is worth will nearly double to 48 percent in 2011 from 26 percent at the end of March, portending another blow to the housing market, Deutsche Bank said on Wednesday.

Home price declines will have their biggest impact on prime “conforming” loans that meet underwriting and size guidelines of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the bank said in a report. Prime conforming loans make up two-thirds of mortgages, and are typically less risky because of stringent requirements.

“We project the next phase of the housing decline will have a far greater impact on prime borrowers,” Deutsche analysts Karen Weaver and Ying Shen said in the report.

Of prime conforming loans, 41 percent will be “underwater” by the first quarter of 2011, up from 16 percent at the end of the first quarter 2009, it said. Forty-six percent of prime jumbo loans will be larger than their properties’ value, up from 29 percent, it said.

“The impact of this is significant given that these markets have the largest share of the total mortgage market outstanding,” the analysts said. Prime jumbo loans make up 13 percent of the total market.

Deutsche’s dire assessment comes amid a bolt of evidence in recent months that point to stabilization in the U.S. housing market after three years of price drops. This week, the National Association of Realtors said pending home sales rose for a fifth straight month in June. A widely watched index released in July showed home prices in May rose for the first time since 2006.

Comment by Skip
2009-08-06 07:13:50

The percentage of U.S. homeowners who owe more than their house is worth will nearly double to 48 percent in 2011 from 26 percent at the end of March, portending another blow to the housing market, Deutsche Bank said on Wednesday.

Holy Guacamole Batman!
- thats a lot of houses when you take out the people that own outright.

Comment by DennisN
2009-08-06 11:43:01

I think the story was poorly-written, and intended to state that 48% of homeowners WITH A MORTGAGE were underwater.

Comment by packman
2009-08-06 12:37:52

Wait - you mean there are homeowners without a mortgage?

Where can I find these supposed “homeowners”?

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Comment by MovedToAugusta
2009-08-06 15:44:48

Hey! I, for one, have paid off my house.

 
Comment by packman
2009-08-06 19:37:45

I know - just being facetious. I believe the stat is something like 40% of homes are paid off.

 
 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-06 07:16:05

When reading about this DB report last night on the net, I actually found myself kind of surprised it got past the censors.

Winston must’ve been gettin’ frisky with Julia again.

 
Comment by cereal
2009-08-06 07:20:23

The Luxury condo market here in West L.A. is getting hammered. The new construction at both Playa Vista and the Marina Pointe Towers shows multiple listings in the 300k’s. DTLA otoh is really getting wacked. They are about to break under 100k for new efficiency units.

Many were purchased in the 500’s.

Let the Leprosy spread

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-06 07:35:51

Which once sold in the 500s? The Playa/Marina stuff or the downtown efficiencies?

Comment by cereal
2009-08-06 10:45:10

Playa / Marina 500’s (bubble price) - yes LMU adjacent

DTLA efficiencies 300’s bubble price

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Comment by scdave
2009-08-06 08:19:16

Also, is Playa Vista right down the hill from Loyola Maramonte University ??

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-08-06 08:24:49

IIRC, Playa Vista is out on the flats by the ocean. It’s where Howard Hughes’ airport used to be.

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Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2009-08-06 10:27:21

Yep, it’s right below Loyola Marymount.

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Comment by scdave
2009-08-06 12:11:38

I thought so…Last time I saw it when visiting my Daughter at Loyola was in 2000…There was a big sign but it looked like swamp land at the time…We use to drive by it on our way to Jerry’s Famous Deli for lunch…

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Comment by Little Al
2009-08-06 08:12:24

I believe right about now is when we can call the beginning of the capitulation stage in the middle-class price-range in the Los Angeles area. It seems like banks and realtors are trying to get a jump on lowering pricing before the blood begins to flow this October at the end of the foreclosure moratorium. The area I’m looking at is San Dimas, La Verne, Glendora, Covina, Pasadena, and Sierra Madre. Remember, the median will rise as quality middle-class and upper-middle class neighborhoods arrive at capitulation. Great deals will come in ‘11-’13 range, ho hum.

 
Comment by Sleeper Cell
2009-08-06 08:19:41

Yeah, I read that one also.

Makes you wonder when the ‘just walk away’ meme will really start rolling. The wealth transfer to the banks that this represents is truely staggering and that’s why, in my more tinfoil moments, I feel kike this entire debacle was deliberately engineered at a very high level.

OK, removing the shiny headgear,….For now ;)

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-08-06 08:28:13

I predict that the payment-makers are about to go on strike. Walking away from houses will be part of this. So will defaults on credit cards and other types of loans.

Comment by scdave
2009-08-06 09:41:23

Walking away ??

Walk away to where ?? To a apartment where you must pay rent and get a credit check ?? I think we will see a continuation and acceleration of people just staying put until the Sheriff comes to kick them out…

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 08:25:39

“About half of U.S. mortgages seen underwater by 2011.”

If there is even a slight chance this prophecy will pan out, what incentive does an end-user have at the moment to buy a house, especially given that speculators appear to have already rushed in and started snapping up foreclosures before the market has even bottomed out? Wouldn’t it make more sense for most US households to just wait on the sidelines until the current round of speculators loses their shirts?

Or is the desire and ability of the PTB to reflate prices (including personal household-level motives faced by the likes of the CIC and Treasury Secretary) so overwhelmingly powerful that you better buy now or get priced out forever?

Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 09:40:15

speculators appear to have already rushed in and started snapping up foreclosures before the market has even bottomed out

rushin’ in
snappin’ up

snappin’ up
rushin’ in

rushin’ in
bottom ouuuuuuut!

Bottom Out!

Comment by DebtinNation
2009-08-06 14:50:25

Sung to the tune of Rawhide, correct?

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Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 14:59:28

Sung to the tune of Rawhide, correct?

Correct, Elwood.

 
Comment by Michael Viking
2009-08-06 16:06:02

“I’m his brother Jake”

 
 
 
Comment by Sleeper Cell
2009-08-06 09:52:34

Merrle Hazzard is riding into town.

Picture the biker dude from Rasing Arizona except he smells worse and has a badder attitude.

The banks are going to reap what they have sown. For years now they have been screwing people over. Time to roll over and start doin some screwin ourselves.

Seriously though, this could be the straw that breaks this countrys back. If people get the general notion that they have been on the short end of the deal, the game is rigged against them and they will NEVER get out from under it whats to stop them from saying F–k it and repudiating their debts. Mass movements have started under far less provocation.

If it goes ‘viral’ that is it socially acceptable to walk away then people will. It doesn’t matter that in 99.9 percent of the cases they brought it on themselves. If anything, that’s even more of a reason to walk because people are loath to blame themselves but they are most definitely looking for SOMEONE to blame. The banks certainly haven’t done anyone any favors and I personally would love to see them feel some pain but we really are looking into the heart of chaos here.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-08-06 10:44:17

Remember the bank robbers of the 1930s? Y’know, Pretty Boy Floyd and the like?

They were folk heroes because they were stickin’ it to the banks that had foreclosed on so many people.

I think that this time, we’re not going to see a resurgence of bank robbery for the simple reason that it’s a lot harder to do. The law enforcers have gotten a lot better at catching bank robbers than they were in the thirties.

But I’m predicting a widespread strike by the payment-makers. And boom times for bankruptcy lawyers.

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Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 10:45:32

whats to stop them from saying F–k it

What would be better, I think, if we’re talking about wide-scale, maybe people should just do their own loan mods.

Get an appraisal for current price and then send that in as their mortgage.

In other words, if large-scale default will get the bank’s attention, and most people would like to stay in their homes, then why not mass action to force a “populist” loan mod without all the hassle of moving?

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Comment by cereal
2009-08-06 10:51:50

“especially given that speculators appear to have already rushed in and started snapping up foreclosures before the market has even bottomed out?”

This people class will soon become the topic of blog mockery
Stories will appearnext year with titles like “08/09 *vultures* find themselves with bloody hands” (feet? vultures don’t have hands)

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-08-06 10:57:05

“About half of U.S. mortgages seen underwater by 2011.”

A lot of knife-catching will occur in the next eighteen months or so, when we’ll get to 2011.

An engineer who shares my office bought high in Long Beach. Out of kindness I don’t bring up my opinions (which are aligned with HBB opinions). I certainly did not point out this article. But he reads Yahoo finance artlcles daily and I’m sure he’s aware of this one. He did not dare bring this one up to me.

Is Neil sick of eating popcorn yet?

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-08-06 08:26:42

Methinks that it won’t be long before cramdowns will be a serious possibility. If not a reality.

After all, we’ve already seen how well “extend and pretend” mortgage mods have worked. (Not very well.)

Comment by cereal
2009-08-06 10:55:20

I secretly pray for cramdowns to occur. The bondmarket will put this bubble out of its misery in exactly 3 minutes.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-06 14:15:31

Why would the bond-market care? The secondary securitization market is already dead.

As long as the feds are taking all the risk (via Fannie/Freddie/FHA), there’s no reason to stop buying federally-guaranteed bonds…

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-08-06 06:58:09

Two articles in the MSM today about Chinese drywall. One in the WSJ and this one in the Sarasota Herald Tribune.

The SHT (interesting abbreviation!) article is about a resale that fell through when the buyer’s inspection found the drywall to be present. Here’s the good part: The seller and seller’s realtor still didn’t disclose the situation even after the deal fell through and the house was relisted, until SHT’s investigation.

Oh, and the sellers refuse to refund the buyer’s earnest money deposit of $20,000 on a $600,000 TOWNHOUSE!

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20090806/ARTICLE/908061057/2055/NEWS?Title=Drywall-discovery-sets-off-a-struggle-

Comment by Skip
2009-08-06 07:20:27

He had been assured by the seller and his agent that WCI had declared the house free of Chinese drywall.

Who wants to bet the seller’s agent was working both sides of the deal?

Sounds like the buyer did not read the fine print on the contracts he signed. And why did this fool put down $20k in earnest money anyhow? Was he afraid someone else was going to snap this house up?

I bet next time he is going to be a little bit more careful with his money.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-08-06 07:24:50

Not to fear. Cash4ChineseDrywall is coming - we just need Barney Frank to push it through. Shouldn’t be a problem.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 07:31:57

Since OLY GAL is gone, I decided I want to buy a house with chinese drywall.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 07:42:32

Kind of like when buddhist monks set themselves on fire to protest something?

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 07:47:45

Yes, I would say that is true.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2009-08-06 08:23:51

Since OLY GAL is gone ??

Gone where ??

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 10:13:26

We don’t know scdave.

 
Comment by cereal
2009-08-06 11:36:09

Something about mushroom season up in the PNW.

Sounds like a leprochaun problem

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 11:39:50

I hope so, cereal.

 
 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-08-06 07:34:22

From the article.

“The addendum states that this purchase is pursuant to there being no evidence of Chinese drywall. Period. Today, tomorrow, ten days from now, there is no date or time frame put in there. If it comes back as having Chinese drywall, that’s it, the deal is off.”

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 07:36:40

The undated Chinese drywall addendum may save him- it’s hard to tell from the story. Story also illustrates why normally, a seller never wants to know why a buyer is backing out after an inspection. If you know about a problem, you have to declare it to future buyers. If you don’t ‘know’ about it, then…

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 07:43:44

It might.

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Comment by Kim
2009-08-06 07:45:56

“And why did this fool put down $20k in earnest money anyhow?”

In my area, $20K would be about right for a $600K house.

Until this article, however, I’ve never heard of sellers and their agents unfairly holding back earnest money after the deal falls through for just cause. I’ll remember this going forward, and in any future offers I’ll include $1,000 earnest money at most. The agents won’t be happy, but boo-freaking-hoo. I never cared for how they thief the interest on the earnest money between the time of deposit and the time of closing anyway.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-06 08:46:54

Heck, when I was a seller many years ago, I had the opposite problem: seller’s agent would NOT hold back the earnest money even though buyers backed out with no cause. All contingencies had already expired when buyers decided they liked a different house a few doors down better, and made another offer on that house.

My agent basically told me that I would have to sue their brokerage to force them to give me the money, and the seller would doubtless countersue. I spoke with a local RE atty, who basically told me it wasn’t worth the trouble for a lousy $3K.

Lesson learned: as a seller, you want a big enough pile of earnest money that one-third of it is an interesting number to an attorney; as a buyer, you want to offer the minimal earnest money so that the seller’s attorney is not that motivated.

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Comment by InMontana
2009-08-06 13:29:03

“My agent basically told me that I would have to sue their brokerage to force them to give me the money, and the seller would doubtless countersue.”

Huh? I’m confused. Weren’t you the seller? Did your agent have the money and gave it back without cause?

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-06 14:17:01

Doh! I meant “the buyer would doubtless countersue”, but the wrong thing came out the fingers.

 
 
 
Comment by neuromance
2009-08-06 17:56:47

Who wants to bet the seller’s agent was working both sides of the deal?

The whole real-estate transaction protocol has ALWAYS struck me as bizarre. Both sides are working against me, my agent and the seller’s agent. Both agents profit more the higher the price.

And don’t give that nonsense about “Oh, you’re not paying, it’s the seller who pays.” Pays with what? Oh, right - my money that I spend on the house. And don’t give me the whole, “Oh, the buyer’s realtor has principles which say to put the buyer’s interest before their own.” Uh.. what kind of maroons do they think we are? Their interests are still served by working against me regardless of their “principles”. And am I really supposed to believe anyone, much less a salesman is going to put my interests ahead of theirs? What are they, little Gandhi’s? How absurd.

It is truly Alice-in-Wonderland-esque.

 
 
Comment by Kim
2009-08-06 07:22:14

Wow, great article. This should be a clear case in favor of the Valentine’s. As buyers, they are entitled to a satisfactory home inspection, and this house did not pass. End of story. Shame on the realturds for holding out on giving them their earnest money back. I hope the judge awards the Valentines a hefty interest as well as punitive damages.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-06 07:32:48

Slightly OT - I know it’s FLA and all, but $600k for a townhouse on a flood plain? (buyer bought flood insurance)

Historically speaking, didn’t high end buyers always avoid flood plains, busy streets, railroad tracks, factories, etc.?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 08:07:37

Isn’t all of FL a flood plain?

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 08:13:16

Yes and no. There are “zones” Palmy and Muggy can explain. However, not really I would say overall. I was in high flood zone, but as common sense dictates, it moves lower as you move away from the water. P.S. I had a lower-middle class one bedroom condo, about one mile as the crow flies from the ocean. Nothing fancy, but good neighbors, and I miss it.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 08:16:49

“flood plain”

FL is more swampland than floodplain.

By contrast, most of CA is a floodplain (known as the Great Central Valley). And I understand that most of it is deeply underwater, at least from a real estate finance standpoint.

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 08:21:52

You’re talking the everglades Prof B.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 08:31:05

I realize not all of FL is a swamp, but it is much swampier than, say CA. But both states appear highly prone to getting swamped with underwater real estate.

 
Comment by packman
2009-08-06 08:46:16

By contrast, most of CA is a floodplain (known as the Great Central Valley).

Yep - most of the central valley is protected by levees. It was all swampland (per se) until they built the canals and levees to convert it to farmland. Perhaps the single biggest such conversion ever - even moreso than the Everglades I believe.

 
Comment by patient renter
2009-08-06 10:15:41

The neglected state of the levees is a big issue around here. Apparently many of them are literally crumbling, but as we all know, CA is hard up for cash and other ideas for where to spend what cash it does have.

 
Comment by packman
2009-08-06 10:51:24

Ooo - yeah this could be an interesting winter. I just saw the other day the declared it to be El Nino now - right on schedule - every 11-12 years, following the sun’s cycle. Last one was the winter of 1997-1998, and there was quite a bit of flooding in February. I lived near the Russian River area, which made the national news.

Flooding and crumbling levees don’t seem to get along too well.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-06 11:47:17

Lake Tulare once covered much of the San Joaquin valley.

Once touted as the largest freshwater lake west of the Great Lakes, in 1849, the lake [Tulare] measured 1,476 km2 (570 sq mi), and in 1879, 1,780 km2 (690 sq mi), as its size fluctuated due to varying levels of rainfall and snowfall.

 
Comment by B. Durbin
2009-08-06 13:20:44

There are online federal floodzone maps, very highly specific. There’s enough elevation variance in the Central Valley that your primary worry isn’t usually the river; it’s the feeder creeks.

I remember 1986 very well. They were sending 130,000 cubic feet per second down the American River through levees designed for 115,000 cubic feet per second and praying. The Sacramento River above the join ran backwards for eight days, there was so much inflow from the American. That’s also the year I found out about “water right of way”— which means your drain isn’t plugged, there’s just not enough pressure to get it into the system. I was in third grade.

So I’m very aware of flood issues. And the house we bought is in zone Z (or maybe zone X)— the point where, if your house is flooding, the sea has risen fifty feet and you’re screwed anyway.

 
Comment by Little Al
2009-08-06 16:07:28

I went to some National Park Museum near Bakersfield where my cousin used to work the duck hunt. You know trying to keep Dick Cheney types from going off half-cocked. Anyway, they sailed a clipper ship from San Fran to nearly Tulare in the 1880’s after a particularly wet year.

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2009-08-06 08:43:56

Slightly OT - I know it’s FLA and all, but $600k for a townhouse on a flood plain? (buyer bought flood insurance)

Holy crapola - exactly. Being that it’s east county - the property isn’t anywhere close to the ocean. There’s a small chance they might have open water access via canal, but probably not. That being the case - $600k for any condo in east Manatee was insane three years ago, let alone now after prices have come down 60%!!! Wow.

Right now you can get a decent SFH on the coast in Manatee, with open water access, for that price. Paying that much for a townhome inland is just insane.

W/regards to flood insurance - it’s probably on or close to a canal. Those canals can get quite backed up during a hurricane and cause localized flooding.

 
 
Comment by rentor
2009-08-06 08:25:24

How come we import this crap from China and put our future in danger? What’s the latest with Chinese drywall? Have we stopped importing the product or are they shipping a test kit with the product to show it’s safe?

Another disguisting American tragedy.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-06 08:32:16

Why?

Just ask any Hope Builder.

They have the answer, but they might not share it.

 
 
Comment by rentor
2009-08-06 08:38:14

Is there a website which lists things to put in contract , like “NO Chinese drywall”.

 
 
Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-08-06 07:16:20

Last week during a family emergency, I stopped at a well known donut and coffee shop in Mass, to get a dozen donuts to take to a small family reunion in support of my stepfather.
At the said donut shop, they take credit cards. I walked in, ordered my dozen donuts, whipped out my debit card, and the very overweight cashier took it, tried swiping it, and it failed. It did not go through due to a technical issue with the link between the donut shop, and their corporate offices in Braintree. Woman behind the counter, told me that I would have to pay in cash. I seldom carry any cash. I find that carrying cash burns a hole in my pocket the size of gibraltar, so I always use my debit cards for everything.
I told her, that, no I did not have cash, and that she had to honor the card, as she had nice stickers in the front of the store, and if you would, call your manager. She dutifully called her manager, all the while returning the donuts to the counter (health violation).
Manager, pretty much said, so sorry, get out of my store. I indicated that I never had any intention not to pay, but anyway, out the store I went.
I was at this point in time fuming mad. I called the corporate offices, where they procedeed to tell me that it was a technical issue, and that I was over reacting. I was not. I told them that there are always alternate ways of taking a credit card, like an imprint and a phone call. I also told them that there are alternate ways of communications, not only a T1, but regular POTS would do the job of authenticating quite nicely, and that the issue was not the technology, but the employees attitute towards their customer.
After this, I went to the competition, a couple of blocks down the street. I ordered a dozen donuts, and the people were nice, professional, and the place looked cleaner. I took the donuts to my gathering, and told every person there about my experience at the first place. Turns out that the second donuts are much better than the first one.
After this long diatrabe, I came to 2 conclusions.
Whoever was in Donut shop #1 had most likely read “fire your customer” and taken it a step farther. This is becoming an endemic problem across all industries. In Technology, how often are you answered with a quick resolution to your problem? You call, and get some dude/ette in chindia, taking basic information, yet telling you that somebody will contact you at a later time? And that person never ever contacts you? The US had the best customer service in the world. Companies prided themselves in the level of customer service provided. That all went out the window with the outsourcing of customer service functions to Chindia.
The second thing that I thought, was that no matter the problem, companies no longer take resposability. In this case, every single one of the people that I spoke to blamed something else out of their control. They took a company problem, and made it a customer problem. That is one HUGE no-no. The companies problems can never reflect on the service/product of the company.
The smaller donut chain earned a customer as long as they keep up their current level of service.
Sorry for the rant, but hope to shed some light on what ails us.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 08:29:20

I am sorry, but I think you overreacted. I hate to be critical, believe me, I mean it.

Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-08-06 08:44:24

I might have… A tad.
But my point still is, that not so far ago, you could expect great customer service from a lot of companies. I remember dealing with Dell in the late ’90s and they made their reputation based upon great customer service.
I also remember going to stores and being treated not reverently, but pleasantly. Most of the time you would be asked if there was anything that you could be helped with.
If you had a problem with a product, you could exchange it, or get a refund with few if any questiones asked.
Now you call to get customer service, and some dude in hyderabad called “bob” answers the phone and the only thing that he knows how to say, is how sorry he is that you have a problem. There is no solution to the problem…
Yes, I might have over reacted…. That should be part of the normal operations for a company. You will have customers that will over react. But treat them well, and you will gain a customer. Treat them poorly, and they become screaming banshees against your company.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 08:53:01

I see your point Pinch, but you can’t do anything about it, so why fight it? That’s all I am saying. Your health is more important.

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Comment by Skip
2009-08-06 08:57:08

Sam Walton taught retail years ago that people would put up with crappy or non-existent customer service in order to save a few pennies.

You don’t become the largest retailer in the US by providing good customer service.

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Comment by Jon
2009-08-06 09:34:05

+1.

When WalMart moved into my town, just about every local business went bye-bye. Were there prices higher? Yes. Was I willing to pay the higher prices for better service? Yes. But I was apparently the only one. Have wages in the community collapsed since then? Yes. Which of course drives more business to WalMart. An interesting example of the Free Market at work.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 10:28:06

Me too, across the board. I am not to good for Wal-Mart, but I hate the place. Hypocrite that I am, when I am there, I love the savings. The shit is just too big, plastic, china, and scary.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 09:29:22

Could be a credit/debit card thing. I’m pretty sure they could write down your card info and punch it in when they’re reconnected. But with a debit they’d need your PIN, no? I’m surprised they didn’t offer that- I doubt you would have taken them up on it.

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Comment by incredulous
2009-08-06 11:24:08

I would never go to purchase anything with only one form of payment anymore than I’d go with no pants on. Really, you have a debit card but no cash, credit card, check, second debit card, nothing..? What if you have an emergency and your debit card doesn’t work?

Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-08-06 11:37:30

None of the above would have worked except cash. I do carry my debit, and a credit card with me at all times.
I have most of my money in savings accounts, accruing interest, so I have no cash at hand, except a token amount at home (100-200) in case of emergency.
The credit/debit card link to corporate was down, and they do not take checks.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 11:44:24

I’m pretty sure they could write down your info and enter it manually when they reconnect- unless it’s against ‘regulations’. It’s what they do when you order food delivered over the phone and you just tell them your card info.

 
Comment by incredulous
2009-08-06 11:44:49

Oh, then I see your beef.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-08-06 08:31:33

You need to calm down and have a crueller.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-08-06 08:34:09

Have I got a customer service for you. This one relates to my seeking help from a local economic development agency. Here goes:

In May 2007, I met with an agency employee who said he could help me find contacts for my business. I’d made up an Excel spreadsheet of about 100 high tech companies in the Tucson area, and, for me, they would have been cold calls.

The man asked me to e-mail my list to him, because, as he said, he had all sorts of contacts locally, and he could give me names at the companies on my list. That would turn my cold calls into warm calls, which are much easier to make. So, I e-mailed the file to him.

Thinking that it would take a while for him to match names with the companies, I went ahead and called the list. Can’t say that I found any juicy clients on it, but that’s par for the course in the cold-calling game.

Well, May turned into June, June turned into July, July turned into August, and you get the idea. I finally heard back from this fellow in October 2007.

He e-mailed to tell me that the agency’s policy forbade him from supplying me with contact names at the companies on my list. A summary of my e-mail response: “It took you five months to tell me that??” I advised him to work on the timeliness of his responses.

He replied with a half-hearted, excuse-laden e-mail, but I wasn’t buying it. I’m of the mind that if you tell someone that you’re going to do something, you get right on it and stay with it until you’re done. You don’t take five months.

And that was my one and only attempt to seek help from that agency.

 
Comment by packman
2009-08-06 08:49:02

You’re missing a very important third conclusion.

Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-08-06 10:21:05

Yes.. I know… Donuts are bad for you!
8)

Comment by X-philly
2009-08-06 10:25:21

Please don’t tell me this happened at Krispy Kreme.

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Comment by packman
2009-08-06 10:54:10

Yes.. I know… Donuts are bad for you!

LOL - ok yeah that too (4th conclusion).

I was thinking more along the lines of - you can’t always count on electronic systems for money exchange.

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Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-08-06 11:07:54

Yes, electronic payments can have issues. It is known, and that is why generally you can set up alternate paths to accept them…
Or even if no alternate path was available, a simple, “sir, we are unable to take credit cards at this time, is that going to be a problem?” would have been acceptable. I would have walked out, thanking the cashier, and had not made any calls. Being proactive about your business is the only way that we are going to get out of this rut.
I trully believe that we had it easy for far too long, and basics got lost.
And as another poster has said… it is the walmartization of America. All businesses are falling all over themselves to copy that “business” model… Cheap, disposable, and no service.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-06 15:59:35

I often think having a bundle of $20 bills under the mattress is mostly a safeguard against the banking computers all going down for a week or two.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-08-07 03:35:04

Pinch,

Agree with everything you’ve said. My DH and I always remark on the poor service in many retail establishments. It’s amusing when the **retail** employees act as though you are interrupting their day when you want to buy some of their merchandise.

…and don’t even get me started on “Bob” from Chindia!

It would be great to see our country get back to the great customer service and **quality** products we were once known for. I, for one, would gladly pay more for better service and quality of merchandise.

 
 
 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-08-06 09:11:30

I live in Attleboro as well. Think you may have over reacted and I’m sort of glad we’ve never met. I really do mean that in the nicest way :-)

Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-08-06 11:03:04

Why? I am generally a likeable guy… In fact if you had been standing next to me, except for the part by the manager telling me to get out of his store after I told him that I would complain to corporate, you would not have noticed anything out of the picture. No screaming… No yelling, swearing, or even raising my voice. That is not how I operate. In fact if I am quiet, it is indicative of how mad I am.
I just followed up with what I told them. I was willing for them to take my card and run it through later. There had to be a way of resolving this issue. That there was not, was indicative of either bad planning, or lack of training.

 
 
Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 10:14:29

Sorry for the rant, but hope to shed some light on what ails us.

I think customer service will get better. When it was guaranteed you had business no matter how you treated customers, it was a different world.

In the last six months or so I have been pleasantly surprised by the increase in friendly, helpful service - even from kids with pants big enough for two and weird hairdos - it’s becoming ominously clear to most businesses (at least in Vegas) that they suddenly need to ATTRACT and RETAIN customers.

Just this morning I called customer service at Yahoo. I had canceled an account with them at 8AM on Saturday, and was billed for the canceled service at 11AM. Technically, they probably could have refused, but they refunded my money anyway. And the guy who did so was, fast, efficient and friendly.

Eh, it’s all anecdotal, I guess.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 12:50:12

It’s erratic is what it is. Some places know what customer service is and others don’t and it can just as easily be a different location of the same chain.

But overall, the attitude of “you owe me a living” seems to be prevalent and has for as long as I can remember. Most businesses make it ridiculously hard for you to give them money. If they could solve that problem they will have solved most of their expense problems as well.

 
 
Comment by In Montana
2009-08-06 13:45:32

“I find that carrying cash burns a hole in my pocket the size of gibraltar,”

There you go. The retail world doesn’t have to cater to what ails you.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 07:39:36

Next up: Christmas shopping season handwringing time…

Sluggish July sales show tight-fisted consumers
By ANNE D’INNOCENZIO, The Associated Press

6:57 a.m. August 6, 2009

In this July 31, 2009 photo, Sheika Smith, 26, of the Bronx, applies eye make up at the Sephora counter of the new JC Penney store in the Manhattan Mall during the grand opening in New York. Retailers are reporting sluggish sales for July as shoppers’ worries about jobs escalate, raising concern about the health of the back-to-school shopping season.(AP Photo/Mary Altaffer) - AP

NEW YORK — Shoppers, worried about job security and finding fewer options among the sales bins, remained tight-fisted in July, resulting in sluggish sales for many merchants and raising concern about the back-to-school shopping season’s health.

As merchants reported their sales figures Thursday, mall-based chains continue to be hit hardest as consumers focus on necessities. Among the disappointments were Macy’s Inc. and teen retailers Abercrombie & Fitch Co. and Wet Seal Inc.

Among the few bright spots was discounter TJX Cos., operator of the T.J. Maxx and Marshalls chains. which reported a sales gain that exceeded Wall Street estimates.

“The consumer is stressed and depressed,” said Ken Perkins, president of retail consulting firm Retail Metrics. “Back-to-school shopping season is going to be very late.”

Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-06 08:39:25

Baltic Dry Index still in a downtrend mode (as of yesterday anyway) So my guess is no one’s stocking up for Halloween or Christmas decoration inventory either.

Railroads don’t look much better.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 09:47:44

Are you suggesting the appearance of a permanently low plateau in the Baltic Dry Index is giving way to the revelation that it recently experienced one of the largest and longest dead cat bounces in financial history? This is my leading hunch, anyway. BTW, I expect to see the same thing happen to the Case-Shiller housing price index within the span of the next decade. This is the normal course of deflating bubbles…

 
 
Comment by robiscrazy
2009-08-06 09:36:06

Anyone seen the documentary What Would Jesus Buy? Rev. Billy’s been banned from many a mall and court ordered out of all Starbucks in North America.

http://wwjbmovie.com/about.html

What Would Jesus Buy? follows Reverend Billy and the Church of Stop Shopping Gospel Choir as they go on a cross-country mission to save Christmas from the Shopocalypse: the end of mankind from consumerism, over-consumption and the fires of eternal debt.

Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 11:07:19

Christmas from the Shopocalypse:

Give Christmas back to the pagans.

Comment by robiscrazy
2009-08-06 17:49:04

Yeah, the Pagans used to have the Winter Solstice and the Spring Equinox all to themselves.

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Comment by samk
2009-08-06 11:11:47

I saw that about a month ago. It was pretty good. You can stream it for free from a link at IMDB.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 11:47:02

Shopocalypse Now

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-08-06 15:13:15

I love Rev Billy…..cool dude

I never buy anyone anything for xmas….nope the holidays is for making money (dj) and paying down CC bills..and putting it in a IRA

or at least it used to be…sigh

 
 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-08-06 07:41:11

Struggling homeowners take banks to court
by Daniel Valentine | Staff Writer

A Bowie couple is suing Wells Fargo bank, alleging the bank should have known they could not afford the second mortgage they agreed to for their home.

In court papers filed June 29 in U.S. District Court in Greenbelt, homeowners Mountaga and Michelle Bah accuse the bank of pushing them into foreclosure by marketing a $30,000 second mortgage to the couple in 2000 and raising their monthly payments by about $700, which they were unable to pay.

According to court documents, the Bahs have asked for “legal and equitable relief as may be appropriate,” though lawyers hope that will include a chance to renegotiate with the lender.

The lawsuit is the latest of hundreds in the region that homeowners have filed in the past year to put off losing their homes, legal aid lawyers said. From April to June, there were 3,427 default and foreclosure filings in Prince George’s County according to a state report, making up roughly 36 percent of Maryland’s documented foreclosure events.

In court papers, the couple’s lawyer, Mary Goulet, argues that Wells Fargo knowingly approved the second loan knowing it would push them over their ability to pay and lead them to foreclosure.

“It’s clear to me and it would be clear to any bank that’s underwriting a loan that the Bahs did not win the lottery in 2000. They didn’t suddenly have this extra money to take out a second mortgage.”

The argument is known in legal circles as the “unclean hands” doctrine. Under Maryland law, contracts can be changed or nullified if one group negotiated a deal in bad faith, which Goulet is alleging.

“If you, as a bank, create a situation where you have pushed their finances into foreclosure, then you have unclean hands,” said Goulet, who is representing the couple for free.

Goulet said her office took on the pro bono case at the request of state officials, who have been urging lawyers to take on clients facing foreclosure for the last two years.

Comment by Kim
2009-08-06 08:20:58

After NINE years of (presumably) timely payments, these FBs decide they couldn’t afford the HELOC from the very beginning? Sorry. There is no shortage of fraudulent lenders out there, but this isn’t one of them.

How does the saying go?

GET SOME BOXES!!!

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 08:39:32

BOXES!, BOXES!!, AND more BOXES!!!…Let’s all go get…some more BOXES!!!. :)

 
 
Comment by Blano
2009-08-06 09:01:58

The bank knew they couldn’t afford it, but they didn’t??

These morons should be thrown out just for their lame excuse for not paying. And a pox on the bloodsucking lawyer too.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-08-06 09:48:33

I’d argue that the borrowers had ‘unclean hands’ as they knew they didn’t have the money to pay the loan, either. I wonder if they can use THAT as an argument to get the loan nullified.

 
 
Comment by Brett
2009-08-06 07:43:30

Wow, who put the line between spoiled rich kids playing with daddys’ money, and entrepenuer, and was dumb enough to pick the second option???????????? If you can’t make money with money your an idiot, its getting it at a young age that is tough, unless your born rich. What a stupid story about spoiled rich kids keeping the family tradition of greed alive.
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Young entrepreneurs to buy bank and move HQ to Austin

A couple of 20-something Austin businessmen are teaming to buy a La Grange bank with plans to expand and eventually move its headquarters to Austin.

Rob Gandy and Nate Paul are waiting for regulatory approval to buy Colorado Valley Bank. Gandy, manager of First National Bank in Austin, and Paul, president of World Class Capital Group LLC, expect to close the deal in September.

The two have done several business deals during the last year and began looking at buying a bank in late 2008, said Gandy, who is a third-generation banker. His father, Robert, is president and CEO of Edinburg-based First National Bank Group Inc., and his grandfather founded Illinois-based Soy Capital Bank & Trust.

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20-something entrepreneurs = spoiled kids?

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 07:57:34

+1

 
Comment by Skip
2009-08-06 07:58:45

And you know what used to go down in La Grange…

Comment by Brett
2009-08-06 09:55:36

explain, please

Comment by skroodle
2009-08-06 20:54:59

Rumour spreadin a-round in that texas town
bout that shack outside la grange
And you know what Im talkin about.
Just let me know if you wanna go
To that home out on the range.
They gotta lotta nice girls.

Have mercy.
A haw, haw, haw, haw, a haw.
A haw, haw, haw.

Well, I hear its fine if you got the time
And the ten to get yourself in.
A hmm, hmm.
And I hear its tight most every night,
But now I might be mistaken.
Hmm, hmm, hmm, hmm.

Have mercy.

- billy gibbons, dusty hill & frank bearde

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Comment by Jim A.
2009-08-06 08:01:50

Casey……

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 08:41:21

Yep.

 
Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 11:13:43

Casey……

I was gonna say “ZZ”, but, whatever

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 13:00:17

Brett, you’ve just found the root cause of most our FIRE problems in this country.

I’ve met a lot of wealthy kids. Not all of them are spoiled or stupid or blind to social responsibility. But unfortunately, most of them are. And they control a LOT of money.

And call it age discrimination if you want, but nobody under the age of 30 should the supervisor, manager, director, president, chairmen, CEO of ANYTHING. And I see this far too often.

Comment by Carl Morris
2009-08-06 13:52:44

Unless they created it themselves.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 14:57:39

Uhm, nope. They simply do not have the life experience needed.

Of course there are exceptions. But they are literally one out of a million.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2009-08-06 15:41:28

Of course they’re one in a million. I’m just not gonna tell some kid that creates Facebook in his dorm room that he’s not allowed to run it. I might advise him to bring in some outside assistance, though.

I totally agree with you that they shouldn’t be given control of anything created by someone else, though.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 16:09:14

I agree as well.

But in the case of someone creating it, they will quickly attract the sharks and if they don’t have their own, they’re doomed. So the inexperience still has consequences.

But we’ve all seen really boneheaded decisions made and those are usually the result of inexperience. And that inexperience is often born from never finding out how much you don’t know because you’ve always been the “Golden One.” If it only hurt the person making the wrong choice, fine, but when it affects others, then it’s a problem. A serious problem.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-08-06 07:46:28

Buy foreclosures now - before it’s too late

In many markets, if you want to buy a repossessed property, you better come with your best offer first — and fast.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — You’ve heard of speed dating? It’s got nothin’ on foreclosure buying these days. In many places, anyone who wants to buy a foreclosure better act fast, or they’re going to come away with bupkus.

REOs, the industry term for homes repossessed by lenders and put back on the market, are often selling in a day — sometimes in less.

“We’re seeing REOs go very quickly. Offers come in immediately after the listing comes on the market, within 24 hours,” said Brad Geisen, founder of Foreclosure.com. Some homes have been put into contract in less than 90 minutes.

In Stockton, Calif., foreclosure ground zero, the market has changed radically. Last summer, Cesar Dias became famous for founding the “foreclosure tour,” in which he packed potential buyers on a bus and ferried them around to some of the thousands of distressed properties.

Today, the foreclosure tour in Stockton is history. There are too few REOs.

“For every listing that comes out, we have 10 buyers,” said Dias, an agent with Approved Real Estate Group. “We had a lot of inventory last summer. Now we’re down to 1,500 listings — from more than 5,000.”

San Diego buyers face the same trend. “Agents have one or two REO listings now, compared with 15 or 20 a year ago,” said realtor Adrianna Delgado of the Delgado Group

And there’s almost no negotiating, no back-and-forth, after the initial bid. “We don’t get a counteroffer,” said Delgado. “The sellers just ask for your highest and best bid. If you’re not prepared to send in your best bid the first day, you may as well stop looking.”

In Florida there are so many buyers for foreclosure listings that real-estate investment companies, which had been snapping up properties, are now facing stiff competition, said Vanessa Grout, VP for acquisitions at New Valley, a real estate investment fund.

Even in distressed Detroit, REOs are still in high demand. “For a good house that’s not too beat up, in a good neighborhood, there’s no lack of buyers in this market,” said Andy Sakmar, founder of Century 21 Sakmar in the Motor City suburb of Rochester. “There are a lot fewer of these properties than a year ago, and the super buys get multiple offers.”

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 07:57:22

Thank you for posting that! Laughing lowers your blood pressure.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 07:59:47

Herd behavior. It can’t be right, because it never has been right.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 08:11:43

Yeah, I herd that, too.

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Comment by Stpn2me
2009-08-06 09:38:26

and the super buys get multiple offers.”

A seller’s and realtor’s dream….

Well, it doesnt hurt that they dream, can it?

 
 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-06 08:02:26

Oh my, I hope we don’t run out of houses!

 
Comment by X-philly
2009-08-06 08:04:58

I wonder what percent of these purchases are by end users.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 08:12:28

I wonder how much TARP and easy money (e.g. 0 percent financing to Megabank, Inc) from the Fed somehow made its way into the hands of real estate speculators who can use other people’s money to outbid end users?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 10:13:30

Does anyone have info on what share of recent buyers are end users versus specuvestors trying to turn a fast profit on the reflation efforts underway in DC (e.g., banks with zero percent loans from the Fed used to finance heads-we-win, tails-Joe 6-Pack loses gambling activities)? I have a hard time imagining many end-users in states with double-digit unemployment thinking now is a good time to buy, but I will stand corrected if someone can provide convincing statistical evidence to the contrary.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2009-08-06 08:05:39

Maybe they will do a lottery system for the REOs. People could camp out overnight in front of the sales office just to sign up for the lottery. What? we did that back in the bubble? Well, obviously that is the way out of this mess.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 08:14:01

“In many markets, if you want to buy a repossessed property, you better come with your best offer first — and fast.”

Try not to catch yerself a rising, then falling, knife.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-08-06 08:26:57

Probably a lot of buyer’s remorse in a couple of years after the next crop of foreclosures are better properties and cost less.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-08-06 08:36:38

Not to mention the remorse that comes after a couple of years of landlording. I think that a lot of these “investors” are going to learn some very tough lessons about dealing with tenants.

Comment by packman
2009-08-06 09:27:47

You’re assuming they’ll actually get tenants. Not so easy, being that rental vacancies are at all-time highs.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-08-06 10:47:17

You’re abso-toot-ly right, packman. I’m seeing a veritable cornucopia of vacancies here in Tucson.

And it’s less than three weeks before the University of Arizona cranks up again. Lots of available rentals within a mile of campus.

 
 
Comment by incredulous
2009-08-06 11:34:00

How about remorse after one month? My friend in Northport told me a year ago someone bought the house next door for $200K for the investment opportunity (down from ~250K). The tenants moved in and paid one month of rent, and then stopped paying and refused to move out. After finally evicting them, I guess the genius realized his mistake, as the house now sits abandoned waiting for foreclosure, probably worth maybe ~80K. After hearing this story, I gave up on the idea of landlording for now.

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Comment by packman
2009-08-06 09:23:46

LOL - a whole army of knife-catchers.

Well, that army of knife-catchers is going to meet the Gatling gun of reality in just a few months.

(Or should I say the Gatling gun of “realty”?)

 
Comment by patient renter
2009-08-06 10:25:41

“For every listing that comes out, we have 10 buyers knife-catching investors”

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-06 07:50:39

US firm closes down factory after French workers beat up boss.

US electronics firm Molex Inc announced on Wednesday its factory in Villemur-sur-Tarn in southwestern France was temporarily closed down to reassess security after a labour dispute turned violent.

Angry French workers facing lay-offs beat up a senior American executive after he visited the factory, an executive said on Wednesday.

Union members said workers had only jostled and thrown eggs at development director Eric Doesburg on Tuesday night when he left the factory in Villemur-sur-Tarn in southwestern France, which Molex plans to close down.

But director-general Markus Kerriou said Doesburg had to be escorted away by bodyguards after he was “really beaten” by about 40 workers.

“A medical examination confirmed the injuries, and we’ve decided to file a lawsuit,” Kerriou told Reuters.

Workers at the factory have been on strike since July 7 over its planned closure but Molex said there would be no further talks over a possible re-start.

A union leader at Molex said only “a few small incidents” occurred on Tuesday night. He did not say whether he was present at the events.

“Essentially, egg-throwing and maybe a light scuffle. But no one was injured,” Guy Pavan, a member of trade union CGT, told Reuters. “Egg-throwing has never caused serious injuries.”

Comment by Skip
2009-08-06 08:01:23

Wow, who would have thought that French workers turn out to be so violent when closing down a factory. That exec must have been used to the mild and meek American workers that just shuffle off home when they are terminated.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-06 08:24:40

Mild and meek to their bosses maybe, but all too often the family bears the brunt of their anger. I’m sure you all can post countless examples.

Comment by measton
2009-08-06 13:46:31

American workers are mild and meek until they go postal. Unfortunately they usually end up targeting a bunch of innocent people that have gone through the same thing.

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Comment by tgun
2009-08-06 10:38:12

Should have reacted that way when the German’s invaded aka WWII instead of hiding in their bunkers inside the infamous maginot line which could not turn their guns around to fire on the invading German Army which WENT AROUND the Maginot Line through the Ardennes…

Comment by Skip
2009-08-06 11:46:37

The Maginot Line worked, it was the Belgians that let them down. They do make good waffles though.

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Comment by tresho
2009-08-06 12:10:23

Should have reacted that way when the German’s invaded aka WWII Eggs & fists don’t work too well against Panzers & 88mm cannons.

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Comment by DennisN
2009-08-06 16:15:49

Actually the French tanks at the outbreak of WWII were better than their opposing German tanks. But the French generals refused to issue radios to their tanks, claiming the only purpose of the tank was to support the infantry.

One of the greatest ironies of all time is that the term Blitzkrieg may have come from a translation of the earlier French expression Guerre d’eclairs - lightning war. Charles de Gaulle was working on this thesis years before Guderian, who read books by Fuller and Liddell Hart and mastered their lessons.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 19:46:38

And then Patton read Rommel’s book, and licked him.
Lesson- If you have a great new military strategy, don’t write a book about it. (Zero’s had no radios, too, right? The pilots would communicate by hand signals. Less weight!)

 
 
 
Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 11:18:48

Wow, who would have thought that French workers turn out to be so violent when closing down a factory.

They should have had the layoffs during the four-week French paid vacation time.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 08:01:41

That’s why I admire the French workers. They know you’ve got to fight for those great benefits. Put a little fear in the execs for a change.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-08-06 08:08:41

Workers at the factory have been on strike since July 7 over its planned closure …

“I refuse to work because you’re going to fire me.”
“okay.”

 
Comment by Muddyfoot
2009-08-06 08:58:04

In related news, Molex has hired the German firm Rundstedt, Guderian and Rommel to help the company mediate their concerns with the French workers.

Comment by robiscrazy
2009-08-06 09:43:42

That’s terrible! Yet…..I’m laughing uncontrollably.

 
 
Comment by Blano
2009-08-06 09:23:23

We should have let the Russians have them decades ago.

Comment by X-philly
2009-08-06 10:34:29

No thanks, I like the Cote d’Azur as is.

 
Comment by Cowtown
2009-08-06 10:57:13

Years ago, the National Lampoon published a (satiric) org chart of the Federal Government. The only position on the chart I still remember is “Undersecretary of State For Having to Deal With The French”.

 
 
Comment by salinasron
2009-08-06 09:57:53

“A medical examination confirmed the injuries, and we’ve decided to file a lawsuit,” Kerriou told Reuters.”

LOL. Yeah, let’s see how that’s going to work for you outside of the good old USA court system!

Comment by patient renter
2009-08-06 10:29:37

Seriously, it’s like an instinctual reaction to anything - LAWSUIT!

 
 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-08-06 07:57:53

Home sellers frustrated as short-sale deals collapse
Stephanie Armour, USA TODAY

Scores of homeowners who thought they’d cut a deal with their banks to sell their houses for less than their unpaid mortgages are seeing those agreements fall apart months later, contributing to the mounting foreclosures that threaten the housing market’s recovery.
The sales of homes for less than the amount owed the bank, known as “short sales,” have been widely viewed as an alternative that could help slow the foreclosure epidemic. In theory, delinquent homeowners escape a mortgage they cannot afford, and lenders, although taking a loss, avoid the even costlier process of completing a foreclosure.

Instead, many homeowners are watching potential buyers walk away as months pass while they deal with lenders’ lengthy delays, lost documents and unreturned calls, according to the National Association of Realtors (NAR). Not all the snafus are lenders’ fault; inexperienced real estate agents who fail to turn in complete paperwork also are causing holdups, as are severely underpricedhomes.

The problems have become such a kink in the market’s recovery that banks and the federal government are launching new efforts this month to simplify and speed up the short-sale process.

Just 23% of short-sale offers that homeowners receive from potential buyers actually close, according to a February study of 1,300 real estate agents by Campbell Communications. More than 90% of agents cited a slow response from the lender as the reason short sales were lost.

Comment by Jim A.
2009-08-06 08:12:43

I do have some sympathy for the lenders here. There were plent of borrowers fraudulently pushing sales prices up to defraud lenders, I’d bet that some people will try to fraudulently push short sale prices DOWN to defraud lenders.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 08:28:05

“I’d bet that some people will try to fraudulently push short sale prices DOWN to defraud lenders.”

That shows you don’t understand how markets work. You are making the same mistake as those who claim that short selling leads to market crashes.

Comment by Jim A.
2009-08-06 09:17:33

Oh I’m NOT argueing that fraud will have a great deal of affect on the market as a whole. I’m simply arguing that the banks have to be careful because people will try to get them to accept a below market price on a non-arms-length short sale. After all, the “seller” in this case has NO motivation to try to get the best price possible, since he’s not getting any profit. Yes, there are efficiencies in avoiding foreclosure and the REO slowwagon. But unlike a normal sale, it is the LENDER, not the SELLER who has an interest in getting the highest price possible for the house.

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Comment by Eric in JC
2009-08-06 09:46:31

Not true at all. The difference is that I can offer a homeowner a $5k incentive (off the books) to have him push the sale. Since its a short sale anyway the money I as a buyer provide is the only thing the will see in the end.

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Comment by scdave
2009-08-06 09:56:00

$5k incentive (off the books) to have him push the sale ??

Fraud ??

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 11:06:43

“Fraud ??”

Unheard of!!!

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-08-07 03:48:31

Very common right now, from what I’m hearing.

 
 
 
 
Comment by OCBear
2009-08-06 08:41:20

inexperienced real estate agents who fail to turn in complete paperwork also are causing holdups, as are severely underpricedhomes.

Ummmmm it’s probably heading to Foreclosure, how underpriced can it be?

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-06 09:07:24

If the seller is still making payments (any payments), then it may seem to the lender that it is to their advantage to foot-drag. I wonder how many of the sellers have thought about that?

 
Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 11:43:02

that threaten the housing market’s recovery.

HAHAHAhaa, choke, sniffle, gasp, GWAH HA HA!

Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 14:13:52

I know, I’m dyin’ here too!

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-06 08:00:08

Firm Sues To End Factoring Relationship With CIT
Thursday 08/06/2009 - Dow Jones News

Scherr Inc., a New Jersey-based maker of men’s casual clothing, has sued to end its relationship with CIT, The New York Post reported Thursday. The suit charges that “CIT’s disastrous financial situation creates grounds for insecurity.” If Scherr prevails in court, legal sources say CIT could be hit with a deluge of similar complaints from companies looking to flee to rival factoring firms. CIT in recent weeks has turned down many clients seeking to end their contracts, the report said, citing sources. The suit, filed in New York State Superior Court is slated for a hearing Friday.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 08:02:41

Here is an article which helps explains the jump in GSE share prices yesterday: It appears shareholders are optimistic that a move to strip away toxic assets will work to their benefit (meaning someone else will get left holding the bag — most likely Joe the Plumber and other Americans who live on Main Street).

The good bank-bad bank plan has survived the transition from the Bush administration to the Obama administration, resurfacing as a plan to revitalize the GSEs by creating a toxic waste site (”bad bank”) to unwind their bad loans.

I am very skeptical about whatever “new structure to support the home-loan market” the Obamanomics Team might have in store, as apparently government support of housing leads to bubbles and collapse. Perhaps no lessons whatsoever have been learned from the current episode about the harmfulness of government-sponsored housing subsidies?

Hopefully, rather than a headlong rush to plant the seeds for our grandchildren’s version of the Mortgage Market Meltdown of 2007, the PTB will consider the possibility that Uncle Sam should focus on regulating the private mortgage industry, rather than monopolizing it. Because it seems quite clear that one of the biggest imbalances that led to collapse was the weight of two 800 lb. government GSE gorillas competing unfairly (with an implicit too-big-to-fail subsidy priced into the rates they could offer) against private banks. Stronger regulation sans subsidization may be the ticket to a well-functioning mortgage banking system.

Fannie, Freddie are facing makeover
White House panel to plot future of mortgage giants
By Zachary A. Goldfarb and David Cho

THE WASHINGTON POST

2:00 a.m. August 6, 2009

WASHINGTON – The Obama administration is considering an overhaul of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that would strip the mortgage finance giants of hundreds of billions of dollars in troubled loans and create a new structure to support the home-loan market, government officials said.

The bad debts the firms own would be placed in new government financial institutions – so-called “bad banks” – that would take responsibility for collecting as much of the outstanding balance as possible. What would be left would be two healthy financial companies with a clean slate.

The moves would represent one of the most dramatic reorderings of the badly shattered housing finance system since Fannie Mae was created by Congress to support mortgage lending during the Great Depression. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have government charters to buy home loans from banks, which they repackage and sell to investors. The banks can then use the proceeds to offer more loans to home buyers.

The institutions became emblematic of the financial crisis when they were effectively nationalized in September amid a market meltdown that revealed much of their holdings to be troubled. The government has since pledged more than $1.5 trillion, including $85 billion in direct aid, to keep the mortgage market working through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The proposal, which is preliminary and one of several under discussion, is scheduled to be taken up today by the White House’s National Economic Council.

Internal discussions over the future of the companies began this year during the regulatory reform planning process and now are entering a more serious phase. National Economic Council Director Lawrence Summers has long wanted to overhaul the companies.

The government’s efforts so far “have taken the risk out of those two firms,” Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said. “The only question that remains is what form, what structure they ultimately will take.”

In an interview yesterday announcing that he would step down this month, James Lockhart, the chief regulator of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, said there needs to be a “good bank, bad bank” structure.

The “bad bank” would be a depository for Fannie Mae’s and Freddie Mac’s toxic assets. Then, the government could create new companies, if it chose to do so, that would attract private investment in support of mortgage finance.

Options for the “good banks” include consolidating the firms into a single government agency, leaving mortgage finance purely to private banks or maintaining a hybrid model.

The National Economic Council has looked at the “bad bank” option, among many others, in several internal policy papers. Any final decision would come after talks involving the White House, the Treasury Department, the Department of Housing and Urban Development and the Federal Housing Finance Agency.

A major problem has been that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac own and insure trillions of dollars of existing mortgages. With the economy still in a deep recession, joblessness rising and defaults on home loans expected to continue to increase, there is great uncertainty over the size of future losses at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That, in turn, is likely to drive investors from committing money to the companies.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-08-06 10:00:40

A major problem is that the companies have already failed. They are dead. The government just tied ropes to the corpses and are yanking on them as hard as they can from behind the scenes, making a macabre caricature of a mortgage market jerkily shuffle across the economic stage of our country.

And people buying in yesterday are the only ones fooled by this mummery.

 
Comment by patient renter
2009-08-06 10:33:05

File this one under “Government screws taxpayer”.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 14:18:02

Pretty much the same arguments were made about the RTC during the S&L disaster, but having lived through it, I can tell you that the RTC was needed.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 08:06:31

Focus on actual versus expected new weekly jobless claims, and you will feel better about a number which is 150,000 or so above the rule-of-thumb recession threshold of 400,000.

New Jobless Claims Drop More Than Expected
By Annys Shin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, August 6, 2009; 10:40 AM

The number of people filing for unemployment benefits for the first time fell last week more than expected, according to data released Thursday morning, the latest indication that the pace of job cuts is easing.

First-time jobless claims for the week ending Aug. 1 fell by 38,000 to 550,000, according to a Labor Department report. Economists had been expecting a drop of 4,000.

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Laid-off public school teacher Natalie Barmore, right, files for unemployment benefits online at a job fair sponsored by the school district Wednesday, July 29, 2009 in Detroit. The government said Thursday, July 30, the number of newly laid-off workers filing first-time claims for jobless benefits rose last week, though the increase was mostly due to seasonal distortions.(AP Photo/Paul Sancya)

In this Aug. 4, 2009 photo, job seekers participate at a job fair at the Vicksburg, Miss., Convention Center. The number of newly-laid off workers seeking unemployment insurance fell last week, the government said Thursday, Aug. 6, fresh evidence that layoffs are easing.(AP Photo/The Clarion-Ledger, Barbara Gauntt)

In this Aug. 3, 2009 photo, people looking for work search on computers at a Worksource office in Portland, Ore. The number of newly-laid off workers seeking unemployment insurance fell last week, the government said Thursday, fresh evidence that layoffs are easing.(AP Photo/Don Ryan)

In this Aug. 3, 2009 photo, Randy McSorley uses a computer to look for work at a Worksource office in Portland, Ore. The number of newly-laid off workers seeking unemployment insurance fell last week, the government said Thursday, Aug. 6, fresh evidence that layoffs are easing.(AP Photo/Don Ryan)

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-06 08:15:10

Ah, you’re focusing on the losers, the winners are out bidding up REOs.

Oh, and note no direct mention of the upward revision to last week’s number - other than to indirectly use it to create a “greater then expected” decline.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 08:26:44

“…the winners are out bidding up REOs.”

So far, so good! But perhaps you should revisit the tale of Sir Isaac Newton’s experience during the South Sea Bubble before you jump to any conclusions.

 
Comment by scdave
2009-08-06 09:07:49

upward revision ??

Santelli on CNBC just said that “trim Tabs” has suggested there could be between 500,000 - 1,000,000 upward revision to the job loss numbers starting back in January…He also said if the number tomorrow has a 4 handle there will be a huge sell off in the market…

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-06 10:54:58

Then tomorrow’s number will start with a three. “seasonal adjustments”

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Comment by packman
2009-08-06 09:33:35

rule-of-thumb recession threshold of 400,000.

Side question about that - how long has that rule-of-thumb existed? Presumably it should go up over time due to population increase. Just wondering.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 09:50:27

Point taken. At any rate, the new claims figure offers very incomplete information. Shouldn’t we look at a measure of net job creation, rather than just the “death” side of the birth-and-death process in the labor market? For example, even new claims of 400,000 or less could be a very bad situation if nobody was hiring…

Comment by packman
2009-08-06 10:57:18

Yes. In the end what’s important is the change in the number of people currently employed, not the rate of people becoming employed or becoming unemployed.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 11:04:22

I suppose there is an implicit second-derivative argument behind the MSM focus on changes in the rate of new claims. If the rate of hiring was constant (it isn’t!), then a persistent decline in the number of new claims could be properly interpreted as a green shoot.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-06 08:06:46

ITEM: The White House projects the deficit will hit $1.85 trillion for the budget year ending Sept. 30, a record that would quadruple last year’s all-time high gap of $455 billion.

The Treasury said Wednesday it will raise a record $75 billion in a series of auctions next week to help deal with the government’s soaring debt.

We are treading in depths of debt we have never trod before, and media are assuring us it’s gonna be OK. . . Geithner, Bernanke, and the other money guys “know what they’re doing.”

Remember how awful last year’s $455 billion shortfall was said to be? Where is the shock and awe over this year’s deficit of $1.85 trillion or more?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-06 08:10:28

Looks like folks are too busy snapping up REO houses and trading in clunkers to care very much.

Debt = Prosperity
More Debt = More Prosperity

 
Comment by Jon
2009-08-06 09:54:07

It’s a shame that as a nation we would rather use our money to buy federal debt than use it to create useful businesses that produce useful products.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 14:21:18

But that would create useful jobs and that’s plain socialeest/commie talk!

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 08:10:19

Is there more to this than meets the eye, or do the Obamonomics Team members plan to resurrect the zombie GSEs by handing their toxic assets over to Joe the Plumber and other Main Street Americans?

Aug 5, 2009, 10:49 p.m. EST
Government may unwind Fannie, Freddie: reports

By MarketWatch

LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) — The Obama administration is considering a variety of options to overhaul mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, including folding the companies into a new federal government entity, according to reports late Wednesday.

Comment by packman
2009-08-06 09:35:39

Prediction - in some way shape or form this “new entity” will have strong international ties, i.e. not strictly be a U.S. entity.

You heard it here first.

 
Comment by patient renter
2009-08-06 10:35:50

A government entity that pays salaries higher than that of the President and hands out fancy bonuses.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 14:25:33

Franklin Raines completely destroyed Fannie Mae. They still can’t find the $12 BILLION that went missing on his watch. The only way to get it back on track is to just burn it to the ground and start over.

Much like clearing a field to get rid of vermin.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-08-07 04:01:35

Scary, isn’t it?

Nobody has learned a thing in this “Greatest Recession Since the Great Depression.”

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-08-06 08:13:11

Orange County mortgage foreclosure crisis “an epidemic”

MONTGOMERY – One in 208 households in Orange County faces foreclosure filing, according to the State Banking Department and RealtyTrac.

That was the highest ratio of filings in the state in the second quarter, according to the reports.

That is a “mind-boggling number,” said Alice Dickinson, the executive director of Orange County Rural Development Advisory Corporation. “If this was a disease, we would call it an epidemic; there would be bodies on the street.”

Dickinson said she is not surprised by the increase. The agency receives hundreds of requests for foreclosure help each month.

“It’s being fueled by people who are losing their jobs, that are losing part of their jobs,” she said. “By that I mean they may not be losing their entire jobs, but they may have had a second job or they may have been cut back on their overtime hours and a lot of folks took out a mortgage predicated upon keeping that income in the long term and that’s not happening. These folks are running into a problem now.”

Orange County, with 643 foreclosure filings in the second quarter, had an increase of more than 61 percent from the first quarter. “Quarterly increase trends, such as the ones we are seeing in Orange County, are a strong reminder that the crisis is not over and we must continue to fund sustainable, affordable ways to keep families in their homes,” said Richard Neiman, superintendent of Banks for New York.

Dickinson said her agency offers foreclosure prevention, mitigation and negotiation services for those in need.

Meanwhile, Democratic Orange County Executive candidate Patricia O’Dwyer called on the County Legislature “to immediately pass legislation that would lift the burden of paying property taxes on an annual basis and allow those homeowners to pay their taxes on a semi-annual or quarterly basis.” She said Rockland and Sullivan counties have passed just such legislation.

“During these difficult economic times, it is imperative that government give people value for their tax dollars,” she said. “What better value could be given than help so a family could remain in their home? The cost of government should not become an additional burden. Just as families are adjusting their spending, so too should Orange County government.”

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-06 08:17:24

“…they may have been cut back on their overtime hours and a lot of folks took out a mortgage predicated upon keeping that income in the long term…”

That describes the house buying strategy of every public servant in my neck of the woods.

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-07 04:04:39

True that, unfortunately.

I tried to convince some public employee friends not to count on O/T when calculating what they could afford on their mortgages.

Today, a couple of foreclosures, and others who have had pay cuts are barely hanging on.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 08:20:52

‘That is a “mind-boggling number,” said Alice Dickinson, the executive director of Orange County Rural Development Advisory Corporation. “If this was a disease, we would call it an epidemic; there would be bodies on the street.”’

Literally translated, mortgage = ‘death pledge’.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-08-06 08:30:30

Orange county needs a foreclosure bus tour, it sounds like. Maybe call it the Epidemic Bus Tour. A Swine-Flu bus tour would probably be better for the buyers.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 10:18:11

Grim Reaper Foreclosure Tours

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Comment by patient renter
2009-08-06 10:38:44

One in 208 households

If they think that’s an epidemic, wait till next year, or 2011.

 
Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 14:44:43

Orange County mortgage foreclosure crisis “an epidemic”

It’s different in Orange County

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-06 08:15:55

Issing Says Officials May Have to Ignore Political ‘Screams’.

Aug. 6 (Bloomberg) — Otmar Issing, former chief economist of the European Central Bank, said inflation will pick up as soon as the financial crisis has passed unless governments and central banks remove economic stimulus measures promptly.

“Politicians and industry might scream” when the measures are withdrawn, “but this should not be an argument for central banks and fiscal policies,” Issing said in a telephone interview from Frankfurt yesterday. The exit “has to happen at a time when unemployment is still high or even still rising, because of the lagged effect of the crisis on labor markets.”

Policy makers worldwide have pumped money into their economies in a bid to counter the worst recession since the Great Depression. While some officials have warned about the inflation risks associated with increased money supply, others say removing the stimulus too soon may stymie a nascent economic recovery as rising unemployment damps consumer spending.

“As we have seen the strongest expansionary policies, fiscal as well as monetary, in the history of the world, I think it is rather straightforward that as soon as the crisis is behind us, inflationary pressures will emerge unless policies change course in a timely manner,” Issing said.

Comment by Jon
2009-08-06 09:57:26

Why does he assume this crisis will someday be behind us?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 08:19:42

Dumb questions of the day:

With a huge and rising number of US households underwater on their mortgage loans, and a very low success rate with workouts, what is keeping very large numbers of homeowners with unrepayable debt burdens from returning their homes to the lender and walking away? Or is this already occurring but not adequately reported by the MSM financial press?

Just curious…

Comment by Kim
2009-08-06 08:30:02

“what is keeping very large numbers of homeowners with unrepayable debt burdens from returning their homes to the lender and walking away?”

1. Hope now!

2. Denial

3. Fear and embarassment of getting a deficiency judgement slapped on them and having to declare bankruptcy

4. Already declared bankruptcy in last few years and not eligible for Round 2 just yet

5. math is tricky

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 08:33:41

“1. Hope now!”

As several recent articles have documented, a relatively small number of people have enjoyed the cargo drops of mortgage workouts thus far. But I suppose it does not take much cargo to encourage cargo cultists to keep the faith?

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-07 04:07:34

I believe the number of people who are not paying their mortgages, or who are paying only a small portion of their mortgages, is grossly under-reported.

This, in addition to all the investor activity, does not bode well for the housing market over the next few years, IMHO.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-06 08:34:54

#5 LOL!

 
Comment by potential buyer
2009-08-06 15:56:30

They did, but they haven’t been evicted, so they get to live ‘rent’ free indefinitely.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 08:30:42

Faith in the lord? Seriously, I think a lot of people are told in church that it’s the right thing to do. Even the ‘prosperity’ preachers talk about how being faithful and dutiful will be rewarded- here on earth. It’s when the prosperity preachers start talking about ‘walking away’ from your ‘economic sins’ and being ‘reborn through bankruptcy’ that we might see middle-America walk.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 08:35:13

“Faith in the lord?”

I am not an anthropologist, but so far as I am aware, cargo cult membership does not entail belief in God (unless you broaden your definition of the deity to include the Great White Cargo Droppers in DC).

 
Comment by Sleeper Cell
2009-08-06 08:43:24

LOL

I picture an overweight, over coifed dude in a cheap suit laying on hands and shouting “You have be Healahd from that DEAMON Mortgage! Go forth and debt no more!”

I’ll pay good money to see that!

Comment by Blano
2009-08-06 09:33:15

“I’ll pay good money to see that!”

Just tune in for free on Sunday to most black church TV sermons and that’s what you’ll get, along with the accompanying jumping up and down in one’s seat, endless shaking of the head and even occasional fainting in the aisle.

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Comment by Muddyfoot
2009-08-06 12:29:09

You’re talking about the king of the toupee televangelists, the Reverend Earnest Angely! Back in the early 80’s I would wake and bake then tune the tube to one of only two channels available for the Earnest Angley’s Hour of Power. Foul, foul demonsaa, come OUUUUTTTTAAAA!!! Funniest sh*t on TV back in the day. Especially when stoned as a wombat!

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Comment by X-philly
2009-08-06 12:50:52

That’s got to rank right up there with going out to a Chinese restaurant when you’re totally messed up.

 
Comment by tresho
2009-08-06 13:09:52

Foul, foul demonsaa, come OUUUUTTTTAAAA!!!
I live not far from one of his centers. I must tell you, I haven’t seen any demons around here since he started his business.

 
Comment by X-philly
2009-08-06 13:13:04

If I were a demon, I’d object to being called FOUL and I’d stay just for spite.

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-08-06 11:19:07

Yours truly, atheist since 1966, did not walk away in 1996 when my house dropped 20% in value. I brought money to the table and paid the difference between the balanced old and what I sold it for. It was ethics and you certainly do not have to be a Bible thumper to have ethics and a morality.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-08-06 11:20:37

old == owed.

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Comment by DennisN
2009-08-06 11:55:37

If you have faith in the lard, wouldn’t you purchase a house in Manteca?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 12:12:27

‘praise the lard and pass the potatoes’, as we’d say in the old country

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Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 12:13:13

If you have faith in the lard, wouldn’t you purchase a house in Manteca?

HBB quote of the day!

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 14:29:44

You are far closer to the truth than you may realize, aplha-sloth.

The other thing may be practicality. Flat out, moving sucks. It also costs money as well.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-08-06 08:52:21

I think some of that’s finally beginning to happen, but hard numbers are lacking. The various moratoriums in place have only interrupted the surge. Each time a moratorium expires, defaults and foreclosures surge to previous levels, then go higher. In addition, there’s substantial anecdotal evidence that borrowers are going several months without paying before getting an initial NOD. These people aren’t yet counted as likely foreclosure candidates. So even if the realization hasn’t set in the that the best financial decision for many would be to walk, it’s clear that the actual numbers are greater than the official numbers.

For many it still seems that just not being able to make the payments is having more of an impact than doing the calculations to show that walking away is the best option. Based on inflated wishing prices, there still seems to be a lot of denial as to how far values have fallen and a lack of understanding these declines could be “permanent” for a decade or longer. If one understands the market, the decision should be rather obvious. There are many that still don’t seem to understand the market.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 11:10:51

‘Based on inflated wishing prices, there still seems to be a lot of denial as to how far values have fallen and a lack of understanding these declines could be “permanent” for a decade or longer.’

Obviously the motivation for the PTB to financially engineer the housing market away from price discovery is huge. Whether they can pull it off is another matter entirely.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-08-07 04:10:08

Exactly right, SD Greg.

 
 
Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 12:10:29

…what is keeping very large numbers of homeowners with unrepayable debt burdens from returning their homes to the lender and walking away?

My guess is that the USS HOWIAD (Home Ownership Investment American Dream) is just too big to turn quickly.

“Is that an iceberg up ahead?”

“Nah. Tain’t no more icebergs now we gots us that global warming. That Mr, is a rock”

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-08-06 14:01:32

..what is keeping very large numbers of homeowners with un(re)payable debt burdens from returning their homes to the lender..

As long as they make the monthly payment, the total amount of debt doesn’t factor. They might not repay all of it in their lifetimes.. by which time they’re dead.. so what’s it matter.
So, the debt load can’t force them out.

Not being forced out, they would have to make the voluntary decision to leave it all behind. That means moving and finding another crib. It also means exposure to bankruptcy and similar distasteful consequences. It threatens uprooting the family.. schools.. jobs.. There are a lot of unknown risks involved.

In balance, the more reasonable path seems to be staying put, and my question is why large numbers of FBs would willingly surrender.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-06 16:07:58

Moving is not all that hard. There are multiple places for rent within a block of my place.

Also, in most states, bankruptcy is not a factor. In non-recourse states, it is definitely not a factor; in recourse states, it might or might not be an issue. In my state, lenders have to choose whether to do a judicial or a non-judicial foreclosure. The non-judicial is cheaper and faster, but not allow them to pursue recourse.

For most borrowers, even recourse would not be a big deal, since they have no real assets and could safely pursue BK. But most would not need to even if they walked away.

There is a large _known_ risk to staying put: you are spending more money every month than you would if you relocated, and you will most likely never recoup the negative equity if you stay.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-08-06 16:28:11

Moving can be very traumatic..
In recovery programs, a reliable place to sleep is on top of the list of requirements towards recovery.

People don’t always think straight. I see these FBs like bad poker players. They have money in the pot and just will not give it up.. It’s not the money. It’s a psycho-emotional thing… a weakness.. an inability or an unwillingness to face reality.

They first borrowed and spent more than they could ever repay. They then refused to lower their selling price to get away from it with a relatively small loss. Once trapped, they then see no reason to bail out and accept a much bigger loss.
Makes sense that they may have to be forced out in the end. Meanwhile they pay the bills.. and hope.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-08-06 14:34:11

..what is keeping very large numbers of homeowners with un(re)payable debt burdens from returning their homes to the lender..

As long as they make the monthly payment, the total amount of debt doesn’t factor. They might not repay all of it in their lifetimes.. by which time they’re dead.. so what’s it matter.
So, the debt load can’t force them out.

Not being forced out, they would have to make the voluntary decision to leave it all behind. That means moving and finding another crib. It also means exposure to bankruptcy and similar distasteful consequences. It threatens uprooting the family.. schools.. jobs.. There are a lot of unknown risks involved.

0– weird thing happened.. hope this isn’t a double post..

In balance, the more reasonable path seems to be staying put, and my question is why large numbers of FBs would willingly surrender.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-08-06 15:06:29

that was so strange..
i hit the “add comment”, went to another web page, came back and the comment was still sitting there, unsent..

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 15:41:27

Well, joey, it’s not the first sign of dementia you’ve exhibited.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-08-06 08:38:39

Current Economic Downturn Is Worst Since Great Depression
John Williams
Shadow Government Statistics
(A.B. in Economics, cum laude, from Dartmouth College in 1971, also M.B.A)
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/williams/williams080509.html

Comment by SDGreg
2009-08-06 09:09:35

“As discussed in recent writings, the economy suffers from underlying structural problems tied to consumer income, where households cannot keep up with inflation and no longer can rely on excessive debt expansion for meeting short-falls in maintaining living standards. The structural issues are not being addressed meaningfully and cannot be addressed without a significant shift in government economic and trade policies, which under the best of circumstances still would drag out economic woes for many years.”

This is the crux of the problem in that we are doing little, if any, of the structural changes that will be necessary for there to be any real recovery.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 14:34:06

As I’ve been saying for years. There had to come a time when the rising vector of prices crossed the downward vector of wages.

We’re there.

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-07 04:12:43

Bingo, guys.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-06 16:10:01

“This is the crux of the problem in that we are doing little, if any, of the structural changes that will be necessary for there to be any real recovery.”

Worse, we are ACTIVELY PREVENTING the structural changes from occuring.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-08-06 09:38:05

“…proving to be extremely protracted, extremely deep and particularly nonresponsive to traditional stimuli.” :-)

Good thing they don’t teach “economics” in jr. high… ;-

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 10:07:13

“particularly nonresponsive to traditional stimuli”

Time to get kinky!

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-08-06 12:34:31

“It’s only kinky the first time”

Bumper sticker seen in Sarasota circa 2004. Car was being driven by a sweet young thing.

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Comment by AZtoORtoCOtoOR
2009-08-06 09:21:01

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-08-05-rental_N.htm

Sounds like this guy has been ready the HBB.

Drop in homeownership likely to continue

The rate of homeownership is forecast to keep tumbling in the next decade to lows not seen since the 1980s, a trend that could redefine a key element of the American dream even after the housing market recovers.
The percentage of households that own homes hit a peak of almost 70% in 2004 and 2005. By the second quarter of this year, that slipped to 67.4%, according to the Census Bureau. Now, a University of Utah analysis projects it’ll drop to about 63.5% by 2020 — the lowest since 1985.

“It will fall steadily by about half a point per year,” says Arthur C. Nelson, director of the university’s Metropolitan Research Center. “We’ll have far more renters in the future.”

Homeownership has long been viewed a key to building stable communities and middle-class families. Federal policy encouraged it with tax credits and government-backed mortgages. Now, demographic changes, strict mortgage rules, energy-saving policies and lessons learned in this housing crisis are driving more people to rent.

About 57% of the 30.3 million housing units added from 2005 to 2020 will be rentals, Nelson says.

“So many of our federal and state and local policies are driven by the assumption that homeownership is inherently preferred over renting,” he says.

The housing collapse may have an impact.

“We’re returning more to what was normal in the 1960s,” says Dowell Myers, housing demographer at the University of Southern California. “People didn’t buy homes then as an investment. They bought them to raise families.”

Renting also may be more appealing because:

• Households are smaller. The youngest of 79 million Baby Boomers will turn 56 by 2020 and many will be empty nesters who favor small homes. The 20-something millennial generation is at a peak age for renting.

“What we used to think of as the typical American family — married couple with children — is really not typical anymore,” says Mark Obrinsky, chief economist for the National Multi Housing Council in Washington, D.C.

•It’s tougher to buy. The subprime mortgage crisis is tightening credit availability.

•Some arenew to the USA. Most recent immigrants rent.

•Somewant to save energy. From tax credits to mass transit, going green is reshaping growth.

Homeownership is not inherently good or bad, Obrinsky says. “Let’s give people the best set of housing choices. They want to be a renter, let them be a renter. If they want to be an owner and they can afford to be, let them be an owner.”

Comment by packman
2009-08-06 11:03:53

Now, a University of Utah analysis projects it’ll drop to about 63.5% by 2020 — the lowest since 1985.

I would say that’s incredibly optimistic. Back in the 1960’s it was below 63%. I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see it end up down into the 50-something percent range.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2009-08-06 16:04:55

Oh my, ‘if they can afford to be’, — still that great divide between renting and owning, I see. Obrinsky could have said ‘if they choose to be’.

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-07 04:14:44

I noticed that, too.

 
 
 
Comment by weez
2009-08-06 09:38:50

Central florida mansions bedevil builders. Front page of the Orlando Sentinel.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-empty-custom-homes-080609,0,2233008.story

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-06 11:12:49

Good fine, weez.

What awesome taste! At half price, I’m sure it will get snapped up soon by a discriminating buyer who will be overcome by that classy study.

Inside the house, a curved, wooden door leads to a study resplendent with leather floors, leather inlays in the coffered ceiling, and a globe of the world centered in the chandelier. Travertine tile lines the concave ceiling of one of the two rooms in the wine cellar. A bank of custom cabinetry frames stainless appliances — and that’s in the master bedroom.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 11:36:47

Corinthian leather?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 14:40:23

The new Victorian!

Has “gaudy” really been deleted from the dictionary?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-06 11:19:05

“3320 Chardonnay Court”

Great address for some winos to squat.

 
 
Comment by dude
2009-08-06 10:00:35

Well, we’re in escrow on that house. It’s been a while since I posted on the negotiation so I’ll give the details again.

The house, genuine custom ranch with 9-11′ ceilings throughout, 3000sqft. on 3 acres, was listed at $325K, had been taken back by the lender for $336K, hadn’t been sold previously since ‘02 and that sale was for $450K. Built in ‘98 and first appraised by the assesor (owner builder) at $318.

The house is in really good condition, so we offered $275 cash. They countered with a gracious discount of $3000, at $322K! We counter-countered with $298K 50/50 down/loan. They took a long drag on a fat doobie and counter-counter-countered at $321K. $1000 dollars, wow! I was sorely tempted but managed to restrain my joy at this generosity. We told them to go pound sand.

3 weeks later, they called us back and said they’d take the $298K. I wanted to mess with them and take it lower at that point, but I have a wife who have been very patient these last four years, and she has a shotgun.

It has taken quite some time to get into escrow, over a month. I’m inclined to believe that the bank was hoping for a better offer in the meanwhile. Sucks to be them.

There isn’t a whole lot at this point that could kill the deal. The appraisal was conservative IMHO but met the purchase price plus a bit. The replacement cost ex-land per the appraiser was $450K.

In summary, It took 4 1/2 years and 4 moves but it seems we’ve used the bubble to trade our 2000sqft. 2 story tract house on a 7000sqft lot in east Palmdale for this house which perfectly fits our criteria. We netted $22K on the deal, equity-wise and came away with the house we plan on living in for the rest of our lives.

Comment by X-philly
2009-08-06 10:41:30

Compare your story to the countless buyers who during the height of the boom camped out at a new development to get first dibs on a new poorly built McCrapshack that now has them underwater.

OR the young people, first time buyers, who squeezed themselves into a horrible neighborhood, certain of their brilliance and investment savvy because they were so “tired of renting”. And are now virtual prisoners in their own $hitbox.

All in all, I believe you have done very well.

Now tell your woman to put down the firearm.

 
Comment by patient renter
2009-08-06 10:44:24

Congrats. What area is this in?

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-06 13:24:25

I’m wondering the same. That seems reasonable for a large custom house on 3 acres in CA. I’m guessing it’s inland monstercommuteville. Those places are great if you can work from home. The return to super high gasoline prices will really hammer prices.

Comment by dude
2009-08-06 15:25:54

I replied but it didn’t go though yet. I drive 50 miles to work. My wife is a homemaker. That is one of the trade offs we made.

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Comment by I Corinthians 4:2
2009-08-06 11:37:00

Good for you Dude!

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-08-06 12:41:15

$100/sq ft for a foreclosure? Seems high. Don’t fool yourself about those three acres; they don’t add much to the value. If anything, they’re a lot more work and $ to maintain than a typical quarter- to half-acre lot.

Stuff grows FAST in Florida.

Comment by dude
2009-08-06 13:22:04

Stuff doesn’t grow fast in Cali. I grew up a farm boy and I plan to die one. As far as $100/sq. goes, have you ever tried to build, let alone remodel in Los Angeles County? Most people figure $40/sq. just for the permits.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-06 13:26:19

But he’s in CA, so Florida vegetative growth is irrelevant.

 
Comment by B. Durbin
2009-08-06 13:33:59

“typical quarter- to half-acre lot”

This is one area where the West Coast falls FAR short of the East Coast. Around here, realtors like to advertise .15 acres as “HUGE!”

The smallest lot I’ve actually seen a house on was .08 acres. The “backyard” was like an alley.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-08-06 15:15:42

Sure, a big lot is a pain to take care of, but it’s less of a pain than seeing your neighbor’s house 5 feet from your window every day for the rest of your life.

Although I’d agree that going above about 2 acres when you’re not planning on raising livestock or running a botique farm is probably getting excessive.

Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 15:23:52

when you’re not planning on raising livestock or running a botique farm

Don’t forget the 30′x90′ metal shed on concrete pad for “projects”

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Comment by dude
2009-08-06 15:27:43

All of the above for me. I’m a farmer by heritage, and an engineer by training.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-08-06 23:17:13

Dude, you’d love my sister and her husband. They are both programmers and run some cattle on their tiny ranch. She told me it’s basically big enough to be all the work of a ranch without being big enough to make any money. But they enjoy the lifestyle.

 
 
 
 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-08-06 15:19:29

Congrats, Dude! Way to stick to your guns. It’s hilarious watching sellers ‘not give it away’ and assume that the buyer is just going to give them everything they want up to and including their first born. That might have played in 2006, but no more.

I actually bid on a house recently and didn’t get it. We bid 20% off of it’s already down 20% amount and knew we were overpaying. They told us they had a second offer and countered at 5% off. We countered at 18.5% off and we haven’t heard from them since. We since found out through the grapevine that the other ‘bidder’ actually existed and topped out at 15% off, and then told the seller to suck it.

That house is still sitting there, slowly rotting in the warm california sun.

If they call us back at some point, it’ll be VERY hard not to demand more off.

Comment by dude
2009-08-06 15:30:27

I agree with that strategy. My plan had been to wait for the next price drop and then work the same negotiation, just starting from a lower point. My broker says that the price adjustments in Cali are currently based on showing, not bids. 1 month without showings means a price cut.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-06 16:17:10

Congrats, dude! Glad you found a place that works for you, at a price that works for you. If you’ve found a place that you really want to live in for the rest of your days, future valuations have relatively little meaning, so picking the exact bottom isn’t so important.

I wish my market (Seattle) would get the memo faster, but I am willing to wait for it to catch up.

Comment by dude
2009-08-06 17:05:38

Thanks PIC, I think you get my reasoning. I hope your day comes soon.

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-07 04:19:41

Awesome, dude! :)

Hope everything goes well, and that escrow closes smoothly.

Enjoy your new home!!!

(okay, I’m really jealous now) ;)

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Comment by wmbz
2009-08-06 10:32:51

US food stamp list tops 34 million for first time.
08.06.09, 11:26 AM EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - For the first time, more than 34 million Americans received food stamps, which help poor people buy groceries, government figures said on Thursday, a sign of the longest and one of the deepest recessions since the Great Depression

Enrollment surged by 2 percent to reach a record 34.4 million people, or one in nine Americans, in May, the latest month for which figures are available.

It was the sixth month in a row that enrollment set a record. Every state recorded a gain in participation from April. Florida had the largest increase at 4.2 percent.

Food stamp enrollment is highest during times of economic stress. The U.S. unemployment rate of 9.5 percent is the highest in 26 years.

Average benefit was $133.65 in May per person. The economic stimulus package enacted earlier this year included a temporary increase in food stamp benefits of $80 a month for a family of four.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-06 23:16:08

34 million is a hell of a lot of people. That’s got to be hard to go to the store and use food stamps. I’ve never had to. I hope I never do.

 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 11:04:23

Oly, we all miss you. Please come back.

Greg

Comment by bink
2009-08-06 11:21:42

I think we need to stage an intervention for you.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 11:44:54

Maybe so, bink.

 
Comment by X-philly
2009-08-06 11:59:45

How does one conduct an online intervention -

or would it be more appropriate to call it a virtual intervention?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 12:04:47

I can cast out demons online. You got a demon in ya, ATE?

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Comment by X-philly
2009-08-06 12:10:00

I don’t think it’s a demon, I think it’s more of a “it’s a jungle out there” problem, you know - dating wise.

And maybe 0lygal seems safe to him.

 
Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 12:34:33

And maybe 0lygal seems safe to him.

Oligula

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 12:38:15

She sure does. Plus, Shorty is my demon alpha.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 12:41:41

Do you want me to cast Shorty the Demon out?

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 13:02:34

X-philly, Thank you for your insight. Your comment meant a lot to me. What you said is true. So, I thank you for it. It was a learning experience, and the people here are all helpful with that. I am grateful for you people.

Greg

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 13:08:11

That’s Oly’s call. alpha.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 13:13:36

I await her wise counsel.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 13:37:11

Wise, I can promise you, it is.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 15:19:52

She’ll be back, ATE. She may be having a fling with another website, but she’ll come back to Uncle Ben’s. They all do.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 15:28:19

You think so, alpha?

 
Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 15:45:03

You think so, alpha?

If Oly’s not back in a week ATE, you should go look for her.

Shouldn’t be hard. Just go to the seashore outside Olympia WA, and ask around for a curly-headed blonde gal with frogs and guns and beer breath who’s been seen recently wrestling penis-equipped mollusks at low tide.

There just can’t be that many of them.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 15:48:49

I know so. (I think.)

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 17:35:30

I could never do something like that lavi, but I would if Oly wanted me to.! :)

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 17:38:50

Sorry for the period, between the exclamation point. My heart is fluttering.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 11:15:00

Why do MSM financial journalists always equate higher interest rates with “hurting” the housing market and lower rates with “helping”? Don’t they realize that by properly pricing in a risk premium, higher interest rates serve to attract increased private investment in mortgage bonds? By dampening housing demand, higher interest rates can also serve to restore affordability to markets where many would-be buyers are currently priced out.

Mortgage-Bond Yields Rise to Two-Month High; Rates May Climb
By Jody Shenn

Aug. 6 (Bloomberg) — Yields on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage securities rose to the highest in almost two months, signaling that interest rates on new-home loans will climb and hurt the U.S. housing market.

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-07 04:22:24

Yep. Higher interest rates would certainly help **my** housing market! :)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 11:17:35

Sinclair Stewart
New York — Globe and Mail Update
Last updated on Thursday, Aug. 06, 2009 12:36PM EDT

Well, it’s official: Some pigs can fly. Or at least they can in that fantasy land known as Wall Street, where the laws of gravity and logic were suspended for the better part of Wednesday afternoon.

American International Group Inc., Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac – a trinity of corporate fecklessness, if there ever was one – each posted staggering advances as investors appeared willing to gamble that even the shakiest pillars of the financial system were regaining a measure of strength.

That could prove a dangerous bet.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 14:44:26

This is scary.

What’s REALLY going on here?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 15:51:36

Surely this is not the information that led to the big gain in FNM share prices? Or is it? Perhaps it portends incipient too-big-to-fail insurance claims payments?

Wall Street Journal

* AUGUST 6, 2009, 5:58 P.M. ET

Fannie Mae Loss Balloons; Says Needs Treasury For Survival
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

Fannie Mae (FNM) posted a sharply wider second-quarter loss on $18.8 billion of credit-related impacts as delinquencies continued to surge and the company admitted it is reliant on the government’s help to stay in business.

The mortgage financier, placed under conservatorship in September to prevent its potential implosion, requested another $10.7 billion of aid as part of the $200 billion package extended to Fannie. It has received $34.2 billion so far.

“Due to current trends in the housing and financial markets, we expect to have a net worth deficit in future periods, and therefore will be required to obtain additional funding from Treasury,” said Fannie in its quarterly report, filed late Thursday with the Securities and Exchange Commission. “As a result, we are dependent on the continued support of Treasury in order to continue operating our business.”

Loss reserves jumped $13.1 billion, or nearly one-third during the quarter, to $54.2 billion, on “the continued deterioration in the overall credit performance of loans in our guaranty book.”

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-07 04:24:09

Between this and the record number of people using food stamps, it’s good to know the recession is behind us!

/sarcasm

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-06 11:40:33

test

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 11:42:41

Financial Times
Abuse claim over German car scheme
By Ralph Atkins in Frankfurt
Published: August 5 2009 22:45 | Last updated: August 5 2009 22:45

Criminals are buying up tens of thousands of German cars meant for the scrapyard and exporting them as they profit from and subvert a government scheme intended to bolster the sale of new cars, a German police trade union has warned.

Abuse of the car-scrapping scheme, which has been widely copied elsewhere in the world as an anti-recession measure, has become widespread, with an estimated 50,000 German cars sold illegally overseas since it was introduced, the BDK police professional organisation said on Wednesday.

Some 5 to 10 per cent of cars that have been supposedly written-off have instead been transported to Africa and east Europe, it added.

German government officials on Wednesday played down the scale of the problem, but Wilfried Albishausen, BDK deputy chairman, said that “what matters is that a subsidy has been introduced while totally overlooking that there are a lot of organised criminals with an interest and the structures in place to use it for their own purposes”.

The revelation could have implications for similar schemes across Europe and in the US but Mr Albishausen said he was not qualified to judge the scale of the problem beyond Germany because of legislative differences.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 11:43:54

“Cash for Criminals”

 
Comment by packman
2009-08-06 12:49:25

Was there ever any doubt?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-06 13:44:06

Sure there was/is. Plenty of folks think gov’t meddling doesn’t lead to waste and corruption.

Comment by packman
2009-08-06 14:33:12

Yeah - I supposed I have to concede that there are some such people left out there. Guess there are some people that still think the world is flat too, so it stands to reason. I was hoping we were beyond that by now.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 14:45:56

Thank god the private sector does such a better job.

Oh wait…

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Comment by packman
2009-08-06 19:49:36

Look! There’s one now!

:-)

 
 
 
 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-08-06 14:54:39

Seems like those criminals are actually eco-friendly recyclers. They’re getting the cars out of the country. It’s virtually the same as scrapping them. How big is the ‘brand new german car’ market in Africa and Eastern Europe? Negligible, I’ll bet.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 11:57:34

Anybody else have no access to this site for hours last night? Or is the PTB trying to silence me personally? They’ll never shut me

Comment by packman
2009-08-06 12:50:51

Yep - down for me too.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 12:58:38

how do I know you’re you? you could be one of Them

Comment by packman
2009-08-06 13:36:10

You never know.

Sometimes I think I’m one of Them, and just don’t know it. Pretty scary, huh?

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 15:22:49

Alpha: Oh, go to sleep. At least you ain’t worrying about Oly. Give yourself credit for that.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 15:57:48

So you think Oly was in on my denial of service last night?….That would make sense. She suddenly disappears and, just as suddenly, my services are denied! ‘Go to sleep’ you say? They’d love that, wouldn’t they? I’m wide awake. And I intend to stay that way, ATE. If that IS your name.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 17:17:02

:)

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Comment by wmbz
2009-08-06 11:58:17

NY Post 8-5-09

GOLDMAN Sachs boss Lloyd Blankfein has warned his employees to avoid high-profile spending, as The Post reported — but his wife evidently didn’t get the memo.

Laura Blankfein and her friend Susan Friedman, wife of another Goldman honcho, Richard Friedman, caused a huge scene at Super Saturday in the Hamptons last weekend when they arrived at the event before the noon start time and balked at waiting in line with the other ticket-holders.

“Their behavior was obnoxious. They were screaming,” said one witness. Blankfein said she wouldn’t wait with “people who spend less money than me.”

Another observer said the women were so impatient, it was as if they were waiting on line for a kidney transplant instead of a charitable designer clothing sale.

Friedman shouted at the event organizer, “You have lost so much money because of this . . . Why should we be treated like the $650 donors?”

Sources said Blankfein and Friedman had bought tables with blocks of tickets going for $833 apiece, as did many of the women who were waiting patiently in line, happy to raise $3.4 million for the Ovarian Cancer Research Fund.

In the end, the hot-headed duo got in at 12:03 p.m., three minutes after those who arrived before them.

No word on how much of their husbands’ money they spent. But Lloyd Blankfein — wary of bad publicity over the big bonuses he and his colleagues expect to collect at year’s end — has called for an end to conspicuous consumption.

A Goldman Sachs executive was quoted in yesterday’s front-page Post story, “[Blankfein] wants to make sure we’re not being seen living high on the hog.” A Goldman Sachs rep did not respond to requests for comment left at the offices of both Lloyd Blankfein and Richard Friedman.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-06 13:42:22

Now that’s class!

Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 14:47:46

Nope. That’s normal.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 12:15:47

ClusterStock
Geithner’s Friends Are MIA After Tirade
Moe Tkacik|Aug. 6, 2009, 10:36 AM

Last Friday Tim Geithner unfurled a slew of four-letter words that were not TARP, TALF or PPIP while blasting the banking regulators charged with executing Obama’s overhaul of the financial system.

…if there is one constituency with whom we figured Geithner might have ingratiated himself by unloading on regulators last week, it’s the Wall Street banks.

Unfortunately, it seems Geithner has now alienated this constituency, too.

Edward L. Yingling, the veteran top lobbyist for the American Bankers Association, said that no one should be surprised by the public challenges to the proposal that have been raised by regulators. “Each of these people are known commodities and people on the Hill and you and others know where they are coming from and their philosophies,” he said. “John Dugan was Republican counsel of the banking committee. Sheila has had strong views since she arrived at the F.D.I.C.. Ben Bernanke is very highly respected.”

Geithner ought to be the banks’ best friend in Washington — but only for as long as he remains politically viable. And what Yingling seems to be making here is the obvious point that Geithner doesn’t get Washington.

From what we’ve learned over the past few months, it seems clear he thrives in emergency situations and playing behind-the-scenes roles. But not every situation is an emergency. The flaws in our regulatory structure are not going to be solved by yelling at people who have significant public support.

Comment by tresho
2009-08-06 12:22:00

I’m getting tired of the MSM emphasis on play-by-play political acts such as Geithner’s $#*@!&%~!. I would like to read a lot more about what specific actions are worth taking to mend the current crisis & prevent another like it from developing.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 12:43:13

“I would like to read a lot more about what specific actions are worth taking to mend the current crisis & prevent another like it from developing.”

What makes you think anyone is talking about this? I thought the plan was to respike the punch bowl and party like its 2005 again.

Comment by tresho
2009-08-06 13:11:56

I thought the plan was to respike the punch bowl and party like its 2005 again. I know, I know, that’s the plan. However, I’d still like to read about approaches that may actually improve our terrible situation.

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Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 13:18:12

I’d still like to read about approaches that may actually improve our terrible situation.

Is there anyone in congress - or all politicaldom for that matter - who’s stood up and plainly announced that foreclosures are part of the “cure” and not something that can, or should be, avoided?

Foreclosures are the porcelain-god-worshiping after the big party.

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-08-06 12:46:24

I agree tresho, but behavior like that is another sign the poor boy is Peter Principled.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-08-06 12:53:40

I think he’s been Peter Principled from the get-go. One of the least impressive Obama cabinet picks.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 15:26:58

He seemed like such a bad choice from the get-go, that I assumed he’d surprise us with his competence. But when you assume…

Obama’s Dan Quayle? Or the only guy he could find who’d take the job?

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-08-06 16:55:13

I think that Krugman and Stiglitz have been angling for the job. One wonders if, as summer turns to fall, they’ll be hanging some stronger bait on the line. I can’t help but think that Tim’s on the way out.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-06 13:03:13

There is no plan that I know of that involves any restraint of any kind. These azzholes are whacking it as hard as possible grabbing everything they can, as fast as they can. As Ram Emanuel stated “never waste a good crisis”. Things are happening at warp speed, the debt is running beyond out of control, it’s in insanity land.

Just sit down and shut up, the handlers know what’s best for the slow witted masses.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 14:51:15

“Just sit down and shut up, the handlers know what’s best for the slow witted masses.”

As long as a state of crisis prevails, only the experts get a voice in the solution.

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Comment by packman
2009-08-06 12:55:56

Tin foil hat time.

Seems to me this may be part of the setup for The Big Transition. Making the Fed look bad can be used as justification for a multi-national replacement. Seems like TTT is becoming the fall guy, and is playing the part well.

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-06 12:15:52

Since when did 550,000 job losses become reason for celebration as “better than expected” news?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 12:41:59

Aug 4, 2009, 1:25 p.m. EST
The Fed, bank regulators clash over future of bank regulation

FDIC’s Bair says council should oversee risk, while Tarullo makes case for Fed

By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Bank regulators on Tuesday clashed over the future of regulatory reform efforts, continuing to reveal a growing rift between regulators that support a White House proposal that would empower The Federal Reserve and those that don’t.

If you have a single monopoly regulator [The Fed], it leads to regulatory laxities,” said Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Chairwoman Sheila Bair at a Senate Banking Committee hearing on how bank regulation should change in response to the financial crisis.

 
Comment by tresho
2009-08-06 12:45:14

Forbes to sponsor “Dying Cities” forum in Dayton, OH. Two of the invited cities can’t afford to send a rep.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 15:28:34

Send ‘em a bus ticket. (I guess the Dayton reps can just walk?)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 13:43:16

Aug 6, 2009, 11:51 a.m. EST
Nearly half of U.S. mortgages seen underwater by 2011

By John Spence, MarketWatch

BOSTON (MarketWatch) — An estimated 25 million homeowners, or 48% of those with mortgages, will owe more on the loan than the house is worth by the first quarter of 2011, according to an analysis by Deutsche Bank released this week.

For many, the home has morphed from piggy bank to albatross,” wrote analysts Karen Weaver and Ying Shen in a research report.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-06 13:46:01

Evidently a few infestors have suddenly developed a taste for fried albatross.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 14:03:59

tastes like crow!

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-06 17:38:59

LOL! :-)

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Comment by CA renter
2009-08-07 04:31:06

piggy bank to albatross…

Wasn’t that posted here a few years ago.

 
 
Comment by beachchic
2009-08-06 14:08:33

I have a question for you smart people. I am a lurker here and as soon as I get some extra dinero, I will make a contribution to Ben’s blog.

My opinion is there is collusion to keep inventory hidden so the supply is limited, thus creating higher demand and bidding wars. The shills on the OC blog said: Silly girl. The banks aren’t colluding.”

Can someone please give me a good argument to counter the shills?

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-06 15:21:54

It would take much effort to compile the local stats needed to back up the reality which is banks sitting on mountains of inventory. Too much, IMO. I’ve found that it’s actually a waste of time and energy to try and talk sense into those shills, anyhow, and I quit trying long ago. The best thing to do, IMO, is laugh hysterically at them. You should also be very vociferous about all of the free time and money you have to go to the beach, and dine at the local restaurants, having not bought an overpriced sh!tbox. :)

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 15:34:34

“I have a question for you smart people…”

What about the rest of us? Don’t us count?

P.S. Don’t argue with morons, agree 110%.

Comment by beachchic
2009-08-06 16:11:05

Thank you Grizzly and Alpha. I will refrain from arguing with the shills.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 15:49:20

1) Remind the OC shills about how Gary Watts used to insist that “real estate always goes up.” How did that shill prediction turn out?

2) The absence of evidence does not constitute evidence of absence.

3) If you were really motivated and had ample time and energy on your hands, you could piece together the real story by looking at rates of homes going into foreclosure versus rates of homes selling over the past couple of years.

4) If you don’t have the time and energy, perhaps Rich Toscano (aka Professor Pigginton) has already analyzed data that would support your point. (Google is your friend…)

Comment by lavi d
2009-08-06 16:22:34

Remind the OC shills about how Gary Watts used to insist that “real estate always goes up.” How did that shill prediction turn out?

‘”Fifteen percent is pretty much in the bag for Orange County in 2006,’ he says. ‘It’s impossible for prices to go down this year.’”

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-06 15:51:57

“The banks aren’t colluding.”

During the run up of the housing bubble,there was collusion,strong-arming,lying,cheating,falsifying,straw-buyers,on and on,etc.

So how in the hell would anyone now think that out of the clear blue, on the back side of this mess, people are now straight shooters? Prue BS! Any angle that can be taken, will be. The RE is the only way to riches believers did not go away, they just re-tooled.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-08-06 16:12:00

Collusion can be seen almost everywhere if you look for it.

Aside from banks, are the masses of private sellers who are holding their properties off the market, waiting for prices to rise, colluding? Certainly..
Is it immoral to do it? Or is it unfair to people who want to buy cheap? Hey.. it’s just capitalism at work.

banks are nothing buy sellers.. I fully expect them to do whatever is within their means to make as much money or to lose as little money as possible.

How would you run a bank’s REO department? Would you dump properties now or wait? It’s a tough decision, imo. Qualified buyers are becoming more rare by the day.. There’s no knowing what the best move is.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 17:50:54

“Aside from banks, are the masses of private sellers who are holding their properties off the market, waiting for prices to rise, colluding? Certainly..”

You apparently don’t understand the definition of collusion.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 17:52:16

P.S. Don’t feel bad — apparently many bankers don’t understand the definition of collusion, either.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-08-06 18:38:00

i used the term loosely.. so sue me.

Individuals can collude.. private sellers can collude. Why would someone suspect bank REO depts of collusion but not private sellers when the results and goals are identical?

Of course, the reason is that the “appearance of impropriety” is enough for some people when it comes to the evil banksters.. No knowledge of the facts, but it looks bad.. so there’s just gotta be something illegal going on.

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Comment by dude
2009-08-06 21:52:46

Land banking used to be illegal for financial institutions.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-08-06 22:34:27

I wouldn’t doubt there’s something on the books that somehow restricts banks from hoarding property..

But I’m extremely skeptical about banks cooperating with each other as far as REOs.

First off, banks are vicious competitors in every way, shape and form, when pitted against other banks.
Secondly, there’s nothing smart or advantageous in trying to hang onto properties when the market is drowning in excess inventory while more pours in by the day.

Thirdly the qualified buyer pool is quickly drying up due to rising unemployment as the economy sours.
Fourthly, prices are falling, not rising.
Fifthly, depreciating REOs are a millstone around the banks’ financial necks.

Who in his right mind would hoard property under these circumstances? Take it a step further, and what sane person would collude with enemies so as to hoard property together?

Might there be a suicide pact among bankers? You’d have to suspect it if you think they are colluding..
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What i see is the blind leading the blind.. They wait for someone else to take that first dangerous step. Then, if all goes well, the herd follows behind. At this time they are sitting there doing nothing… waiting.

IMO, which ever bank has the guts to be first to dump it’s properties will get the best of it. That bank will benefit from the largest buyer pool and highest prices paid.
Prices will surely take a serious dive after that dam breaks.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 23:00:17

I would never say “there’s gotta be something illegal going on.” More like “there’s probably something illegal going on, but we will never learn about it due to collusion at the top.”

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-08-06 23:20:45

“there’s probably something illegal going on, but we will never learn about it due to collusion at the top.”

So… you think there’s a conspiracy overlaying another conspiracy?

 
 
 
 
Comment by dude
2009-08-06 21:50:05

First look at realtytrac dot com map of REO for your zip, then look at MLS listings map for your zip.

There’s your proof right there.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-06 14:25:42

Is This Statisitically Reasonable? (GS)

Karl Denninger
Market Ticker
published Aug 6, 2009

Remember what was said about Madoff when people started looking at his operation?

There were only two possible explanations for the firm’s apparently never-losing trading: They were either front-running or cheating in some other fashion, or the entire thing was a gigantic ponzi scheme.

We later learned that #2 was the case.

But is there an example of #1 somewhere? Hmmmm….

Aug. 5 (Bloomberg) — Goldman Sachs Group Inc. made more than $100 million in trading revenue on a record 46 separate days during the second quarter, or 71 percent of the time, breaking the previous high of 34 days in the prior three months.

Trading losses occurred on two days during the months of April, May and June, down from eight in the first quarter, the New York-based bank said today in a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. The company made at least $50 million on 58 of the 65 trading days during the quarter, or 89 percent of the time.

Just two days of losses in the entire quarter?

There are a lot of very good traders in the world, but nobody has that sort of record on any sort of consistent basis unless they’ve managed to rig the game.

You can be “the smartest guys in the room” but nearly-perfect records at the poker table are almost always an indication that someone has managed to figure out a way to peek at the other side’s hole cards.

Oh, and they’re gambling (or cheating?) with your money too - not their own:

Banks such as Goldman Sachs are benefiting from lower borrowing costs after the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. in October started guaranteeing bank debt issues that mature within three years. Goldman Sachs said in today’s filing it had $25.1 billion of debt guaranteed by the FDIC under the agency’s Temporary Liquidity Guarantee Program. The bank sold about $30 billion of the FDIC-backed securities between November and March, according to company filings.

Is this an example of “heads we win, tails you lose, and we’re peeking at your hole cards”?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-08-06 15:09:53

Lets not forget that Goldman has posession of powerful tradeing software that in the wrong hands could manipulate the markets. Remember when the exGS guy got busted stealing it? Think they might be cheatin’ a bit? Nah!!!

Comment by wmbz
2009-08-06 16:02:52

“wrong hands”

Yep, like GS. aka treasury/fed puppet master.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 14:49:28

Wall Street Journal

* AUGUST 6, 2009, 2:31 P.M. ET

Fannie, Freddie Debate Not Hurting Mortgage Rates
By Deborah Levine

The increasingly public debate over what the government will eventually do with mortgage giants Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE), taken over last fall, leaves the mortgage market still waiting for a decided resolution, analyst said Thursday.

The Obama administration is considering a variety of options to overhaul mortgage giants Fannie Mae (FNM) and Freddie Mac (FRE), including folding the companies into a new federal government entity, the Washington Post reported Wednesday.

One option is to split the companies and putting their troubled assets in a new federally backed corporation, and possibly let to more viable portion of the company resume being shareholder-owned.

The important but unclear aspect is whether the entities, in any form, continue to carry the government’s implicit support of their debt to keep their borrowing costs low. The so-called government sponsored entities sell their own debt to finance purchases of mortgage-backed securities, which are bundles of individual mortgages. Their ability to finance those purchases at a low cost enable them to accept mortgages with lower rates, which helps homeowners.

“As long as the government guarantees are there, the products will trade as they do,” at rates far below what fully private companies have to pay, said Kevin Giddis, managing director of fixed income for Morgan Keegan & Co. “Any change would more than likely have a negative impact on the housing market.”

Isn’t affordable housing the GSE mission? And wouldn’t higher interest rates make housing more affordable, having a positive impact on their ability to achieve their mission? Me confused…

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 22:56:16

OMG — I have discovered a San Diego Congressman who totally gets the bubble! My apologies for the long, late post, but this editorial is far too good to hide behind a link.

San Diego Union Tribune
Opinion
Government intervention’s high cost
By Darrell Issa
2:00 a.m. August 6, 2009

The housing bubble that burst in 2007 and led to a financial crisis can be traced to federal government intervention in the U.S. housing market intended to help provide homeownership opportunities for more Americans. This intervention began with two government-backed corporations, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which privatized their profits but socialized their risks, creating powerful incentives for them to act recklessly, and exposing taxpayers to tremendous losses.

Government intervention also created “affordable,” but dangerous, lending policies that encouraged lower down payments, looser underwriting standards and higher leverage. In the short run, this government intervention was successful in its stated goal – raising the national home ownership rate. However, the ultimate effect was to create a mortgage tsunami that wrought devastation on the American people and economy. While government intervention was not the sole cause of the financial crisis, its role was significant and has received too little attention.

Recently, I have released a report that tells the coherent story about the real causes of the financial crisis and examines, “The Role of Government Affordable Housing Policy in Creating the Global Financial Crisis of 2008.” The report chronicles how Fannie and Freddie’s unique relationship with the federal government created an environment in which the market viewed them as an extension of the U.S. government and therefore “too big too fail.” Fannie Mae’s and Freddie Mac’s dominance in the secondary mortgage market was made possible by numerous competitive advantages stemming from their unique relationship with the federal government. At their height, they controlled more than three-quarters of the secondary market for prime mortgages in the United States.

Their chief advantage began with their government sponsored mission: Fannie and Freddie were charged by Congress with keeping the secondary mortgage market liquid and increasing the availability of affordable housing. They enjoyed a $2.25 billion line of credit from the U.S. Treasury. The fact that they directly answered to the federal government and its elected officials created an environment of “crony capitalism” similar to that in Russia or China. They were exempt from key regulatory and market oversight, the only publicly-traded corporations exempt from Securities and Exchange Commission oversight. It was not until scandals in 2003 and 2004 revealed that the companies had used non-approved accounting practices to manipulate earnings that they agreed to “voluntary” SEC filings.

Clinton-era policies extended a pattern of behavior of lowering mortgage underwriting standards in order to drive up the national homeownership rate. It was this politicization of Fannie and Freddie that paved the way for today’s financial crisis. Emphasis began to be placed on the volume of lending versus the quality and sustainability of loans. In 1995, a pivotal year, the Clinton administration implemented a major reform of the Community Reinvestment Act and issued its National Homeownership Strategy, both of which increased pressure on Fannie and Freddie to loosen their lending standards.

This new emphasis on “performance-based evaluation” meant that regulators would no longer rate banks based on their efforts to lend to customers using equitable procedures but rather on the volume of their lending. As demonstrated time and again by congressional advocates of affordable mortgage lending, “innovative and flexible” means reduced down payments and riskier, unsustainable lending. This began the pattern of lowering mortgage underwriting standards in order to drive up national homeownership to support a political goal.

Risky mortgage lending, particularly loans with very low down payments, contributed directly to the rise of a housing bubble. However, these “innovations” in “flexible” loan products spread beyond just affordable lending into the entire U.S. mortgage market. Borrowers – regardless of income level – took advantage of the erosion of underwriting standards that started with government affordable housing policy, but failed to grasp the effect of a government policy that had quietly eroded the prudential limits on mortgage leverage, creating a dangerous speculative bubble.

All told, the government experiment in unsustainable affordable mortgage lending based on low down payments and “flexible” credit criteria has sucked the equity out of the U.S. housing market, trapped millions of Americans under crushing debt and seriously damaged global financial markets. Millions of these borrowers, who were supposed to have been helped by federal affordable housing policy, have now been forced into delinquency and foreclosure, destroying their asset base, their credit and, in some cases, their families. The consequences of these policies have also brought the entire global financial system to the brink of collapse, destroying trillions in equity and untold numbers of lives.

Issa, a Republican, represents the 49th District Congressional District, which includes Oceanside, Vista, Fallbrook, a portion of San Diego and a portion of Riverside County.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-08-07 04:37:03

From PB’s link:

One option is to split the companies and putting their troubled assets in a new federally backed corporation, and possibly let to more viable portion of the company resume being shareholder-owned.

If this isn’t privatizing profits, while socializing the losses, I don’t know what is.

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-07 04:49:46

That went under the wrong post.

Still, love the article about Issa. Looks like an HBB’er, and he’s been one of the few in Congress who’ve been against the bailouts. Thanks for posting that.

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 14:51:27

Nasdaq to stop offering flash trading Sept. 1

(AP) – 4 hours ago

NEW YORK — Nasdaq OMX Group says it will stop a practice that gives some brokerages a split-second advantage in buying or selling stocks.

The New York exchange operator is voluntarily ceasing the practice, known as flash order trades, on Sept. 1.

Flash orders give certain members of exchanges including Nasdaq, Direct Edge and BATS the ability to buy and sell order information for milliseconds before that information is made public. High-speed computer software can take advantage of that brief period to allow those members to get better prices and profits.

On Wednesday, Securities and Exchange Commission Chairman Mary Schapiro said the agency is moving in the direction to ban the practice.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-06 14:54:20

SEC says brokers violated ‘naked’ short sale rule

By CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER (AP) – 1 day ago

WASHINGTON — The Securities and Exchange Commission for the first time has enforced new rules intended to limit a practice known as “naked” short-selling.

The SEC said Wednesday that two traders and their firms have agreed to settle charges that they violated the rules without admitting or denying guilt.

The rules were put in place last year at the height of the financial crisis, and the SEC made them permanent last month.

The agency says New York-based Stephen Hazan and Hazan Capital Management LLC have agreed to pay $3 million to settle the charges, while Chicago-based TJM Proprietary Trading LLC agreed to a penalty of $541,000.

The two firms were charged with circumventing a rule that requires brokers to promptly produce shares in “naked” short-selling transactions.

“Naked” short sales involve bets against a company’s share price by investors who don’t own the shares at the time of the sale. Such sales can be used to drive down the share price of a company’s stock.

The SEC also charged Michael Benson, a TJM trader, for violating the rule, and the firm’s chief operating officer, John Burke, for failing to supervise Benson.

The agency suspended Benson from associating with any broker for three months, while Burke has been suspended from acting as a supervisor at any brokerage for nine months.

Hazan and his firm, as well as TJM and its two employees, also reached separate settlements with the New York Stock Exchange and several other private institutions. Hazan was fined $1 million by the NYSE.

Michael Bachner, a lawyer for Hazan, said his client decided to settle the charges because “the cost of defending these actions would have been similar” to the amount of the fines and penalties paid.

A lawyer for TJM declined to comment.

Short-sellers borrow a company’s shares, sell them, and then buy them back when the stock falls and return them to the lender — pocketing the difference in price.

“Naked” short-selling occurs when sellers don’t borrow the shares before selling them, and then look to cover positions sometime after the sale.

Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-08-06 15:03:38

Hospitals & Education …they are so far ahead of the “Efficient Market” model of economics…(Hwy notices these are the cityscape places that still have cranes on their properties…) ;-)

From behind “The O.C.” curtain:

Chapman to auction premium parking to appease the lazy:

“Actually, we are not making any money from this,” says Mary Platt, the Chapman’s spokesperson. The school already runs a loss of about $1 million annually to operate its parking facilities, according to Platt.”

“…The new “cash for convenience” plan was the idea of economist and Chapman President James L. Doti and was refined by some of the school’s renowned economics faculty,…”

August 4th, 2009, by Ben Young Landis the OC Register

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-08-06 15:13:31

So, basically this is how they got this “brilliant idea” from the renowned “brain trust” of economics professors:

“Hey, what do you all think?…do we have a x100 kids whose parents are wealthy enough to pay for a premium parking spot and use it as a tax write-off?…or should we just spiff up our next alumni donation letter and include a free Chic-Fil-A coupon ?” :-)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 15:27:55

Staring labor market fundamentals in the face at this juncture in economic history is truly painful.

Seeking Alpha
Mid-Cycle Meltdown: A Look at This Week’s Jobless Claims
by: Sold At The Top
August 06, 2009

Today, the Department of Labor released their latest read of Joblessness showing seasonally adjusted “initial” unemployment claims declined 38,000 to 550,000 claims from last week’s upwardly revised 588,000 claims while “continued” claims increased 69,000 resulting in an “insured” unemployment rate of 4.7%.

…looking at past cycles (especially the last two recessions), this does not imply that the pain is over in the job markets.

If history is to be at least a rudimentary guide, first time and continued unemployment claims will likely remain unusually high for at least another year or two (… as they had in the aftermath of both the early 90s bust and the dot-com bust).

Given the fragile state of the economy and the substantial financial stress being felt by so many millions of households, there are serious headwinds to any sustained recovery.

Further, the current weakness in the job market continues to present the clearest picture of what is likely to be one of the most problematic aspects of this period of economic crisis namely how to make an immense and growing number of highly specialized (college educated) service/professional service workers productive again.

It’s obvious now that we have reached the first real test of our majority services-based economy.

Unlike the “tech-wreck” of 2000-2002, our current downturn is very broad, leaving no sector and virtually no corner of the country untouched.

With millions of college educated workers now on the market incomes will clearly suffer but moreover, it will be soon all too clear that our prior bubble economy significantly overproduced service workers (particularly professional service workers) for which current employment opportunities will be scant resulting in continued and fundamental vicious-cycle effects.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 16:02:39

Which pays better these days: Lawyering or dog walking?

California to see record unemployment rise further
Thu Aug 6, 2009 2:51pm EDT
By Jim Christie

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Signe Galvez-Samreuang has been out of work and looking for a job for more than a year.

Sarah Gilson is a part-time lawyer, part-time dog walker.

After six months of looking for work, Amy Gorman in March landed a full-time job selling solar-power systems.

All hope California’s job market will improve, but consumers may thwart them. Record, double-digit unemployment will head even higher in the Golden State, some analysts say, as households save more, put spending on hold — and force shops and restaurants near the end of their resources to close for good.

California’s economy, the world’s eighth largest, could see a jobless rate near a stunning 13 percent next year — a level associated more with Rust Belt states, not the home of Hollywood and Silicon Valley.

Galvez-Samreuang is anxious. The 36-year-old Oakland, California, woman used to work as an interior designer for commercial properties. She has put career goals on hold until real estate recovers and now simply wants a job.

“I used to worry about where I was going and the next big step. Now it’s, ‘I’ll take just about anything,’” she said.

More than 2 million Californians out of work amid the worst recession since the Great Depression are likewise scrambling for work as employers shed jobs left and right.

The state’s unemployment rate stood at 11.6 percent in June, a record high since modern measures of joblessness began and well ahead of the month’s 9.5 percent national average.

Analysts expect it to remain in double-digits for the foreseeable future with so many of the state’s economic engines — home building, finance, high technology — idling.

They also see a sharp rise in the rate through the end of this year because consumers paring their spending are about to send a wave of job losses across California’s retail sector.

“We think it will peak at 12.8 percent in the first quarter of 2010 and it will remain high,” said Brad Kemp, director of regional research at Beacon Economics in Los Angeles. “You won’t see single-digit unemployment rates in California until 2012.”

Comment by wmbz
2009-08-06 16:21:29

“We think it will peak at 12.8 percent in the first quarter of 2010 and it will remain high,” said Brad Kemp

12.8. Right! You go Brad, and pray tell how you figured this out? Please don’t say “historical” data.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 16:55:54

They obviously left out several decimal points beyond the 8 in their prediction, right?

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 19:54:48

“…a level associated more with Rust Belt states…”

Rust never sleeps.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-06 16:59:15

You can lead liquidity to a banker, but you can’t make him blink.

Financial Times
The liquidity pipes remain clogged
By Gillian Tett
Published: August 6 2009 17:10 | Last updated: August 6 2009 17:10

A decade ago, I was working as a reporter in Tokyo when I was asked to investigate the impact of Japanese-style quantitative easing. Back then, the Bank of Japan was pouring gazillions of yen into the money markets and politicians were angrily exhorting the Japanese banks to lend.

Indeed, at one point, the Tokyo government even created quotas, which stipulated that banks should make a certain level of loans to worthy small enterprises to combat a pernicious credit crunch.

But, when I examined what the Japanese banks were actually doing, the results were almost comical. In public the banks claimed they were lending to small enterprises; in reality some were only meeting the targets by lending to subsidiaries of Toyota.

Faced with a political order to lend, in other words, Japanese banks were ducking round the rules – and the liquidity was notably not ending up where politicians (or central bankers) had hoped.

Sound familiar? I am increasingly tempted to think so. In the last six months, European and US central banks have poured dizzying sums into the money markets and politicians have put pressure on the banks to lend. Last week, for example, Alistair Darling, UK chancellor declared his readiness to “get tough” with banks that were failing to lend. On Thursday, the Bank of England triggered surprise by announcing an expansion of its quantitative easing scheme.

But as I look at these endeavours, what springs to my mind is a vision of a plumber trying to force water into a domestic waterflow system whose pipes are badly clogged, if not broken. To be sure, liquidity is entering the banking pipes. Some is also trickling out at the end: banks still seem willing to lend to big, reputable companies (the Western equivalent of Toyota, as it were.)

However, numerous small or risky corporate ventures in the west currently complain that they cannot get loans. Consumers are facing rising borrowing charges too. Thus, in the West, as in Japan a decade ago, the liquidity is still not necessarily flowing to those who need it most. Those pipes remain clogged, even as water is forced in.

That, in turn, raises a fascinating question for investors and policy makers: where will all that “backflow” of unusued liquidity, as it were, go? Right now, some seems to be sitting in a quasi stagnant pool, deposited into reserve acounts with central banks.

Comment by packman
2009-08-06 19:56:58


Thus, in the West, as in Japan a decade ago, the liquidity is still not necessarily flowing to those who need it most.

One thing that never ceases to amaze me is how people just don’t understand the risk equation. The problem is this - those that need it the most are those that are in the most dire straights - and therefore are the ones who are the most risky! And - duh - why would the banks want to loan to the most risky customers during an overwhelming downturn?

It’s called financial evolution - survival of the fittest, and it’s a good thing. Those that live by the sword (debt) will die by the sword (lack of debt).

It ain’t that hard to understand.

 
Comment by bink
2009-08-06 23:09:57

You can lead liquidity to a banker, but you can’t make him bink.

And thank god for that!

 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-06 19:24:35

Oly, I am going to bed, but Mom and Dad (both passed), always said I was born with a baseball, and a transistor ( Oly, how do you spell) radio in each hand. I think Wildflowers is the best album I ever heard. Tom Petty.

It beats Revolver, so that is saying something. It simply drips analog.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-06 19:58:45

G’night, John-boy. (Exile On Main Street)

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-08-06 20:22:51

it’s getting a bit spooky around here…

 
 
 
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