Bits Bucket For August 11, 2009
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
Post off-topic ideas, links and Craigslist finds here. Please visit the HBB Forum. And see the American Visionaries series from Schwarzfilm.
Having coffee and heading to the gym. No posts showing yet but I know you east coasters are up and stirring. Weather here turned cool again, all is good for the summer.
Yesterday was the hottest day of the year here in Charlotte and more of the same is expected today.
Mr. Humidity is back in town. Bastard.
Yep.same for Greenville, SC. And we took down a partial wall yesterday.
Won’t that let in more of the hot air?
Just from the living room to the dining room. When the kids were little, we needed another bedroom more than a formal dining room.
Walked to work here in Norfolk. I’m still dripping in sweat 15 minutes later.
Its still 70 at 10 AM here in Loveland.
Coffee pot is full, less a cup. Going to be another
hot day. Watch out for sharks.
Are you talking about “loan sharks”?
Jumping sharks…..
Let’s not jump the shark.
Don’t jump the shark.
Now if the boats would stop dumping chum then the sharks wouldn’t know where boats/people/food are lately. Will become a coding for them eons to come. Shore= splashing food.
Freddie Mac Says Its Loss From Taylor Bean May Be ‘Significant’.
Aug. 10 (Bloomberg) — Freddie Mac, the mortgage-finance company under government control being supported by taxpayers, said the collapse of lender Taylor, Bean & Whitaker Mortgage Corp. may cause it “significant” losses.
Taylor Bean, the 12th-largest U.S. mortgage originator, shuttered its lending business last week after being suspended by U.S. agencies and Freddie Mac. The Federal Housing Administration cited possible financial-statement fraud.
The Ocala, Florida-based lender accounted for about 5.2 percent of Freddie Mac’s single-family mortgage purchases last year, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing by the McLean, Virginia-based company on Aug. 7. Freddie Mac can force lenders to repurchase defaulted loans that weren’t of the credit quality they represented, a use of its contracts already made harder by the collapses of IndyMac Bancorp., Washington Mutual Inc. and Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., the company said.
“We are in the process of determining our total exposure to TBW in the event it cannot perform its contractual obligations to us,” Freddie Mac said in the filing. “The amount of our losses in such event could be significant.”
Lenders bought back $1.7 billion of home loans from Freddie Mac during the first six months of this year, up from $737 million during the same period of 2008, according to the filing. Lenders also can promise to cover Freddie Mac’s losses on bad mortgages without repurchasing the debt, the company said.
Also on Aug. 7, Freddie Mac, which has taken $50.7 billion of capital under a U.S. lifeline since being seized by regulators in September, reported its first profit in two years and said that it wouldn’t seek more U.S. Treasury aid.
“The Ocala, Florida-based lender accounted for about 5.2 percent of Freddie Mac’s single-family mortgage purchases last year”
20% down here we come.
i think this sentence provides evidence that our lending standards are still way loose and there will be many defaults on mortgages securing purchases in just the last year or two.
“20% down here we come.”
Nah — the FHA stands ready to keep the low-downpayment loan volume flowing…
American Thinker Blog
August 11, 2009
Another sub-prime crisis looms
Rick Moran
So all this government sound and fury (bailouts, talk of regulation) is not really about reducing the bad loans. As this article shows, the government’s behavior will create a large number of new bad loans. It’s really about keeping money flowing to the FIRE industries, who in turn keep money flowing to the politicians.
I’m not surprised at the actions, just surprised at the brazeness.
Here’s how former hedge fund manager Andy Kessler summed it up last week in the Wall Street Journal:
“By buying U.S. Treasuries and mortgages to increase the monetary base by $1 trillion, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke didn’t put money directly into the stock market but he didn’t have to. With nowhere else to go, except maybe commodities, inflows into the stock market have been on a tear. Stock and bond funds saw net inflows of close to $150 billion since January. The dollars he cranked out didn’t go into the hard economy, but instead into tradable assets. In other words, Ben Bernanke has been the market.” (Andy Kessler, “The Bernanke Market” Wall Street Journal)
Only a small portion of the money that has gone into the stock market in the last 6 months (since the March lows) has come from money markets. The fed’s loans are being laundered into stocks via financial institutions that are rolling the dice for their own survival. The uptick in the markets has helped insolvent banks raise equity in the capital markets so they don’t have to grovel to Congress for another TARP bailout. Everybody’s elated with Bernanke’s latest bubble except working people who have seen their wages slashed by 4.5%, their credit lines cut, the home values plunge, and their living standards sink to third world levels. And the Fed’s spending-spree is not over yet; not by a long shot. The next wave of home foreclosures (already 1.9 million in the first half of 2009) is just around the corner–the Alt-As, option arms, prime loans. The $3.5 trillion commercial real estate market is capsizing. The under-capitalized banking system will need assistance. And there will have to be another round of fiscal stimulus for ailing consumers. Otherwise, foreign holders of US Treasurys will see that the US can no longer provide 25% of global demand and head for the exits.
Bernanke’s back is against the wall. The only thing he can do is print more money, shove it though the back door of the stock exchange and keep his fingers crossed. The rest is up to CNBC and the small army of media cheerleaders.
“Bernanke’s back is against the wall.”
As long as the stock market keeps going up and the housing market keeps recovering, where is the worry?
“Bernanke’s back is against the wall. The only thing he can do is print more money, shove it though the back door of the stock exchange and keep his fingers crossed. The rest is up to CNBC and the small army of media cheerleaders.”
The fed is doing this because the Congress doesn’t want to be seen approving another stimulus package while so many regular folks are unemployed or near to losing their jobs.
Isn’t the point of stimulus packages to generate jobs?
Isn’t the FEDS free cash limited? The treasury can print for things like TARP and running the government but those have to get past congress. Can the treasury give money to the FED outside congressional approval??
Look at the words you’re using: cash. money. I don’t see those words on the One Dollar Federal Reserve Note I’m holding in my hand.
As long as the unwashed accept it as money, it’s money.
Good question, and the key point IMHO. The fed is currently buying a great chunk of each auction of treasury bills so as to keep the rates low. How do they do this?
With an electronic ledger entry.
See my post on Fed 2.0 below.
I have some green crayons and rolls of tp to make money with.
Lets have a crafting day together!
Bernanke’s back has been against the wall since the day he took over from Greenspan.
To my recollection, he enjoyed a brief honeymoon before he had to don his fire suit…
“Ben Bernanke didn’t put money directly into the stock market but he didn’t have to. With nowhere else to go, except maybe commodities, inflows into the stock market have been on a tear. Stock and bond funds saw net inflows of close to $150 billion since January. The dollars he cranked out didn’t go into the hard economy, but instead into tradable assets. In other words, Ben Bernanke has been the market.”
I’d laugh at this absurdity if it weren’t so troubling. This is what they’re calling recovery? It’s quite a shame that this is what’s become of the United States of America. All because of greed. This never had to happen, but the pigmen just couldn’t get enough. We need some lynchings.
Yep, right after I finish watching American Idol, Americas Got Talent and I Can Dance!
Good morning salinasron and all hbbers. Enjoy your work out this morning.
Housing Wizard or anyone else w/insight,
I was doing some research on a street the other day. Went and looked at tax records for the entire length. There was a notably large proportion of “arms length” sales for $1. The names were not the same.
Any idea what’s going on there?
The street is very stable. Most homes were last purchased in the early 90s.
Thank you for your time.
“Good morning salinasron and all hbbers. Enjoy your work out this morning.”
Yes I did! Got rid of all those hostilities. Just finished off some Crenshaw melon and Chorizo and eggs plus another cup of java and a cold shower. Bring it on!
Recent transactions, or scattered between the early 90s and now?
thanks rainmayun,
All took place in the early to mid 90s and as far as I can tell they still own the property. At first I assumed they were inheritences but then when the numbers started adding up, I wondered if it was something else. As you might guess, some properties turned over several times and lost money at that point in time. (early to mid 90s)
Hmmm. I do know that in the early to mid 90s, we were still in the middle of the S&L disaster. S&Ls were literally giving away properties, because of losses and maintenance costs, to anybody who could keep the lights on and the lawn mowed.
Many of those folks couldn’t even manage that (due to the recession caused by the collapse of the S&Ls and subsequent loss of jobs) and the property would turn over yet again.
Also, a lot of newly minted rookie “flippers” were trying to take advantage of this opportunity but were far to inexperienced to make even “free” work.
Let me tell you, there were some DEALS back then! You could easily double your money by the end of the decade. Unfortunately, I too was a statistic of the job losses.
Hmmm… Interesting.
Toxic assets still festering
“The Congressional Oversight Panel says the economy is still at risk because bad loans remain on banks’ balance sheets.”
“Nobody really knows how big the pool of troubled assets is because there’s no agreed upon definition of troubled assets. The panel looked at “level three” assets, which are considered tough to put a value on. Among the top 19 stress tested financial firms, federal officials found $657.5 billion in “level 3″ assets in the first three months of 2009, a 14.3% hike in those assets from three months earlier.”
http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/11/news/economy/TARP_report/?postversion=2009081103
Oh yeah, those things. We almost forgot. ; )
I thought the TARP (Troubled Asset Relief Program) was used to buy up all the toxic assets, in order to save the system from collapse?
That ironic diversion from the original plan was pointed out in the very article:
“The report reminds Congress that the bailout was initially pitched to help deal with troubled assets, hence the name: Troubled Asset Relief Program. Yet the TARP program has not relieved banks of their troubled loans.
The bailout money has instead been used to help banks boost their capital to withstand future losses. Capital injections help ease pressure and potentially free up money for lending — but the toxic assets are still festering.”
So later on in the article the committee points out that we’ll be needing more monies for the original application now that the TARP money went toward bank capital injections.
Smartest guys in the room!
We will loose our money because of this.
Roidy
P.S. We were fated to anyway.
The currency pump is what has been loosed.
The currency pump is what has been loosed.
geeze louise, they didn’t do what they said they would do..
BONUSES for EVERYONE, not you guys, or us,
to the Smartest guys in the room, or “The Talent”.
Capital injections help ease pressure and potentially free up money for lending — but the toxic assets are still festering.”
Is that the reason there is no inflation? No potential?
The bailout money has instead been used to help banks
boost their capital to withstand future lossespay massive bonuses in the face of still-more-massive losses.Hold it there PB. The banks aren’t seeing massive losses at all. They’ve wrote up the value of their type 3 assets to the level they need to make a profit, and deserve to be rewarded accordingly.
And that right there tells you that TPTB are most certainly working overtime to inflate their way out of this crisis.
The upshot of that entire 145 page report is:
“In its search for the value of U.S. bank held troubled assets, the Panel found that the information required in regulatory filings is insufficient for fully assessing the value of troubled assets. The two main issues the Panel had to navigate were the lack of uniformity and the lack of granularity in the public statements of these institutions.”
What a shlt stew.
Like I’ve said, fraud is our biggest industry!
What kind of degree do you need for this industry?
Toxic assets may need more Treasury support.
http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSTRE57A0JO20090811
Wonder what expletives Potty Mouth Timmay used to reply to that?
Unreal. I woke up this AM with the stark realization that the US, as we knew it, is done. As a result, I don’t feel so good today.
It gets better with time, I came to that realization last Sep. 5th with the Fan/Fred bailout.
Also, plant a garden, it helps in so many different ways.
All so that the rich could be richer, even though they already have enough money to last many lifetimes.
Reminder: America is number 3 on the list of nations with the largest disparity between the rich and poor. (the other 2 are Turkey and Mexico)
holey crap batman Eco.
Let me calculate.. that makes us pretty much at the bottom, no?
After seeing one of the greatest reverse-Robin Hood wealth transfers in our nation’s history play out in short order last fall, I cannot overstate my agreement with this author.
Yellen might be an interesting alternative. Think of it: First black president, first female Fed chairperson. And her husband is himself a Noble Laureate economist…
Let finance sceptics take over
The world needs a Fed chairman instinctively sceptical of financial markets and their social value
Dani Rodrik / August 11, 2009, 0:50 IST
What the world needs is a Fed chairman instinctively sceptical of financial markets and their social value.
The race is on to fill the most important economic policy position in the world. United States Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke’s term ends in January, and President Barack Obama must decide before then: either re-appoint Bernanke or go with someone else — the names most often mentioned are Larry Summers and Janet Yellen — with more solid Democratic credentials.
It is a decision of momentous consequence not just for the US, but also for the world economy. As guardians of the nation’s money supply and setters of short-term interest rates, central bankers have always played a critical role. Lower the interest rate too much, and inflation and monetary instability result. Raise it too much, and the economy slides into recession and unemployment.
Monetary policy is hardly a science, so a good central banker must be humble. He must appreciate the limits of his understanding and of the efficacy of the tools at his disposal. Yet he cannot afford to be perceived as indecisive, which would only invite destabilising financial speculation.
Indeed, as important as their functions are, in recent decades central banks have become even more significant as a consequence of the development of financial markets. Even when not formally designated as such, central banks have become the guardians of financial-market sanity. The dangers of failing at this task have been made painfully clear in the sub-prime mortgage debacle. Under Obama’s proposed new rules, the Fed will have even larger responsibilities, and will be charged with averting financial crises and ensuring that banks are not taking on too much risk.
This is a job at which former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan proved to be a spectacular failure. His blind spot on financial-market excesses — the little “flaw” in his thinking, as he later termed — left him oblivious to the dangers of Wall Street titans’ financial innovations. As a member of the Fed’s Board of Governors under Greenspan during 2002-2005, Bernanke can also be faulted for having played along.
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Here is a nice example of what I mean by “Reverse Robin Hood.” Wall Street’s private financiers were happy to house the GSEs in their stable full of cash cows until the milk stopped flowing. At that point, Main Street US taxpayers were left holding the milkless udders, as these firms were “too-big-to-fail.”
Lesson that should have been learned: Too-big-to-fail firms generate outsized gains for their private owners during boom times, and losses to the US taxpayer during the ensuing bust.
Forbes
Housing
Fannie’s Failings
Maurna Desmond, 08.10.09, 08:24 PM EDT
The bigger of the two government-controlled mortgage financiers looks to be in bigger trouble.
While many consider government-controlled lenders Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac nearly identical, their most recent quarterly reports suggest that Fannie is in more trouble.
Though smaller Freddie Mac ( FRE - news - people ) has received more aid–$50 billion–since the two were pulled into conservatorship last fall, Freddie didn’t require any taxpayer money after its second quarter report. It actually made money, $768 million. Fannie Mae, in contrast, needed to ask for $10.7 billion in government aid after a $14.8 billion loss, bringing its total government support to $46 billion. True, an accounting change kept Freddie out of the red, but Fannie caught that break, too.
Expected losses for Fannie and Freddie, which own or guarantee $5.5 trillion in U.S. mortgage debt, have surged since they were seized. Since then, the economy has deteriorated significantly, with unemployment hitting 9.4% in July. Sliding real estate values, off 34% since their peak three years ago, have been particularly costly for the two giants.
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“The world needs a Fed chairman instinctively sceptical of financial markets and their social value”
What should really be debated is whether or not the world needs the Fed and should the Fed even exist. The world needs a Fed like it needs the ebola virus. Abolish it.
Let the open market determine rates? I’m sure you don’t want congress doing it.
“Abolish it.”
That seems highly unlikely to happen at this juncture.
At this juncture, maybe. There’s always a new juncture on the horizon, though.
As Keynes might have pointed out, in the long run we are all dead, even the Fed!
“The best way to predict the future is to create it.”
Au contraire, attempting to create the future results in great unpredictability.
OK, I’m duly befuddled. I can’t even tell if you’re serious.
LVG, think unintended consequences. The path to hell is paved with good intentions. That sort of thing.
So we should give up trying to do anything or change anything, because who knows what might happen. That’s real inspiring.
I’m more with you than against you on this one LVG. I think we can try to guide the future, but we need to put more time and thought into it than most politicians do. Look for the second and third stage effects, not just the intended outcome. And of course, be ready to adjust and admit to problems with plans instead of digging in mindlessly to save face.
I bet if the proletariat joined hands and deposed their elitist masters they could work in common to create a paradise.
“LVG, think unintended consequences. The path to hell is paved with good intentions.”
OR: The road to hell is covered w/black swan doo doo.
Don’t forget Fed 2.0!
Hopefully some useful lessons learned from Fed 1.0 will be brought to bear in the design process.
Also known as “The Exorcist II”. What a horrible movie that was.
Hopefully some useful lessons learned from Fed 1.0 will be brought to bear in the design process.
If the lesson were truly learned there wouldn’t be a Fed 2.0.
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. The ‘flaw’ in Greenspsan’s thinking was his belief in Ayn Rand and her ‘philosophy’. Overlooking the need to regulate Wall Street’s excesses is exactly what Alan’s lover/mentor Ayn would have us do. How dare we resentful little parasitic peons stand in the way of modern day financial titans? What few mistakes these mighty marketmakers create can be cleaned up by the masses of little people who thrive in their wake.
Alan truly believed their ‘inner nobility’ would never allow them to destroy the mighty corporations they ran and profited from. And yet they did- turns out the mighty titans are humans too- and maybe should receive a little oversight from the peons who have to clean up their messes. (Cue John Galt)
You best stay away from Rand philosophy, because you don’t get it. Or perhaps more correctly - you don’t understand that recent financial markets in no way shape or form resemble Rand-ian ideals.
The most salient point, in a single sentence, would be this:
In a true Rand-ian market system (a truly free market), the Federal Reserve would not exist.
Sure is quite a coinky-dink that one of her earliest and greatest proponents (and lover) ends up as Fed Reserve Chairman and implements the easy money/turn ‘em loose and watch ‘em go monetary policies that led straight to this debacle. Alan followed her script right into the ditch, then finally admitted to a ‘flaw’ in his thinking!
Alan Shrugged.
/agree…the libs have succeeded in blaming “free market” capitalism for the mess when…in fact…there never was a “free market”.
“…there never was a ‘free market’.”
Never was and never will be- perfection won’t be found in this world. But if you think over- rather than under-regulation caused this mess, then explain why it coincided with an overall loosening and relaxing (and ignoring) of economic regulations. Seems like such loosening, in your philosophy, would at least be a step in the right direction- and thus beneficial.
And yet here we are, broke.
Labels like “libs”, “dems”, “facsits”, etc. are shortcuts to thinking and detract from your argument. “dempublicans” and “republicrats” are acceptable because they are joke labels that underscore how little choice we have. All IMO of course.
Sure is quite a coinky-dink that one of her earliest and greatest proponents (and lover) ends up as Fed Reserve Chairman and implements the easy money/turn ‘em loose and watch ‘em go monetary policies that led straight to this debacle. Alan followed her script right into the ditch, then finally admitted to a ‘flaw’ in his thinking!
Alan Shrugged.
No - the mantra of Rand is not “easy money”, it is free markets. Too many people confuse the two, but there is a huge difference. In free markets lending rates are set based on the perceived risk of the borrower, as determined by the individual lender who has a vested interest. In a free market lending rates are not determined by some central pseudo-government entity, and risk is not backstopped by the government. This is the divergence between Greenspan and Rand, and it is a fundamental divergence.
In a truly free market system, the Federal Reserve would not exist, and the government/Fed would not bail out failed entities. As it is - those two precepts that we do have vastly override various regulatory changes that have occurred.
Mr.Bubble…. the apologists don’t want to hear the truth.
‘True free market’ is an ideal, like communism, that sounds great but has never worked in reality. When one points out that such ideals are disastrous in practice, one is assured that because the test case wasn’t ‘perfect’ or ‘true’, it not only doesn’t count, but actually proves the need to continue the pursuit of the ideal with greater vengeance!
The big boyz took over the Fed and bent it to their will, just like a good Ayn Rand character would. That this subversion destroyed rather than freed the system, merely serves to illustrate the difference between fiction and non-fiction. And the potential irrationality of selfishness- something Ayn and Alan failed to grasp.
I think the idea of ‘easy money’ (aka energy!) being fed to those financial titans who burn brightest is exactly what Rand was all about- her follower Alan sure did. To ‘tighten’ its flow would be a stupid desire of the plebs who don’t understand how dependent they are on these titans’ backwash. It’s failure, in hindsight, only makes it look un-Randian to true believers who don’t wanna learn Ayn was wrong.
We could go round and round about this, and I don’t have the time - I’ll just say this - the big boyz didn’t “take over” the Fed - they created it. It has always been a tool for the PTB to extract as much wealth as possible by constantly expanding and contracting the foundation of credit.
Yes there will always be PTB, and they will always do their best to extract as much money as they can from people (there is no perfect system as you say) - but we’d be better off if they didn’t have tools like a central bank to do it with. A central bank and free markets are very much mutually exclusive.
way over ATE’S head, alpha. Let’s talk about dead Bees!
I think we mostly agree on economic points, packman, our difference is whether Greenspan and his ilk are Randian or the opposite.
Rand’s books always mock the regulators and heroicize characters that brush them aside. Her lifelong friend and promoter took over the Fed, and deregulated and eased our way into oblivion. And everything he did- except the failure part- sure seems like right out of one of her books. I bet Trump and Mozilo love her books too.
While Greenspan was very Randian in his early years, he most decidedly had a split with Objectivisim later in life. Please read the “Greenspan and Objectivism” section in the page about him in Wikipedia, e.g.:
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Although Greenspan was once recognized as a proponent of laissez-faire capitalism, some Objectivists find his support for a gold standard somewhat incongruous or dubious,[citation needed] given the Federal Reserve’s role in America’s fiat money system and endogenous inflation. He has come under criticism from Harry Binswanger,[24] who believes his actions while at work for the Federal Reserve and his publicly expressed opinions on other issues show abandonment of Objectivist and free market principles. However, when questioned in relation to this, he has said that in a democratic society individuals have to make compromises with each other over conflicting ideas of how money should be handled. He said he himself had to make such compromises, because he believes that “we did extremely well” without a central bank and with a gold standard.[25] Greenspan and Rand maintained a close relationship until her death in 1982.[12]
In a congressional hearing on October 23, 2008 Greenspan admitted that his free-market ideology shunning certain regulations was flawed.[26] This has caused backlash from Objectivist intellectuals, blaming the economic crisis on Greenspan’s pandering to the mixed economy and betraying his laissez-faire views.[27]
So since Greenspan wasn’t a ‘perfect’ free marketer and exemplar of ‘objectivism’, his actions, although overall very laissez-faire, don’t count against the philosophy.
That’s my point about idealism- its impossibility is its continuing defense. Since it’s never realized in a perfect state, its numerous failures can never be held against it.
That’s my point about idealism- its impossibility is its continuing defense. Since it’s never realized in a perfect state, its numerous failures can never be held against it.
Well - no baseball player has ever batted 1.000 for a given season - does that mean that they shouldn’t attempt to get a hit (or a walk) every time they come to bat?
There are many such analogies. The unreachability of an ideal doesn’t justify giving up striving for it.
(P.S. I’m not trying to justify deregulation as a whole, because deregulation does not equal free markets. Free markets require equal opportunity and lack of fraud, both of which require regulation.)
A sloth:
If you really think underregulation caused this mess you should look into what it takes to start a bank these days.
But what does it take to run a big pre-existing one? Apparently not profitability.
Strawman, my point is that regulation eliminates competition for those who make the rules. The biggest banks have been making the rules for many generations now.
Improper or ineffective regulation doesn’t prove all regulation to be bad. I agree 100% that regulation is currently used to squash competition, but I still think we need regulation, just that it shouldn’t be controlled by the big boyz. Positing abusive regulation as the norm is a straw man too. And I bet if you get your bank started, you’ll want regulation of newcomers too.
alpha, your logic seems flawed in saying that he was overall laissez-faire. His whole job was to *be* the central bank’s policy maker. His *entire* role was to manipulate the market via the hand of regulation by setting various rates… If he had another day job running a for-profit bank that was setting its own interest rates independent of the fed, I *might* be able to agree that he was overall into a lezzy-affair marketplace. But clearly, he was not at all (TM).
No one is saying fraud should not be illegal. But prosecution of fraud is the tool we should use to regulate the market, as opposed to restrictions on trade amounts, capitalization requirements for banks, central bank policy, etc.. Greenspan never said that…
mathguy- You again use the impossibility of an ideal as a defense against its real-world failure. Greenspan deregulated and eased money as much as he could- ie he was as laissez-faire as the ‘real world’ allows. That he was in charge of the Fed doesn’t disprove his free market bona fides- or that his self-regulating ideas were shown to be failures.
And again I ask- If there’s no central bank, who issues the currency? And whoever does issue it, do they not exercise some control over it?
“His whole job was to *be* ” he thought he was the magic man and yet flawlessly duped us all into this mess by ignoring
“their innate nobility” pffft. There ya go, if they belong to the same club, they must be okay. Bull.
Not at all do I preclude the ability to move towards free market economics while still operating within government regulation. If Greenspan had been pushing to move the duties of the Fed off onto the private sector. Your idea that Greenspan “easing money” was somehow pushing towards free market economics is quite backwards , if by “easing money” you mean lowering the interest rate. Quite the opposite, in 2003, the free market was working towards seizing up the credit markets and pushing interest rates higher. He fought against that by lowering rates. Talk about massive non-free market intervention.
Your argument is like saying because a fish swims upstream he is changing the course of the river. It’s just not the case. If greenspan had somehow put a gold standard currency back in place alongside the FIAT money, then maybe you would have an argument. Or if he had allowed non-sec brokers to trade in the stock market. The repeal of Glass-Steagall does not qualify as a “significant” event in greenspan’s tenure to qualify as even a partial game changer(in terms of the Fed’s involvement in the market). It’s a fricken asset ownership rule for pete’s sake.
On the other hand, the biggest thing to *emerge* under greenspan and then bernanke were the bailouts that happened in 87 and again in 2008. I believe (don’t quote me) that it was greenspan who started the Fed line “it’s TBTF” (too big to fail) and prompted the intevention in all those cases. So if anything Greenspan pushed further into gov’t intervention in the markets.
Also, it always amazes me that people say a gold standard currency would restrict the economy due to it’s restricted supply. Gold is virtually infinitely divisible. In effect, there is a nearly infinite ability to distribute it, and therefore the argument that some kind of supply restriction would smother the economy is fatally flawed.
The only thing a gold standard restricts is politician’s ability to screw us with inflation.
Even a gold standard requires a central bank- which controls the issuance of currency, based on that standard. How much money they ‘print’ based on its value vis-a-vis gold is still their decision to make! Inflation is theirs for the taking, if they so choose.
Even a gold standard requires a central bank- which controls the issuance of currency, based on that standard. How much money they ‘print’ based on its value vis-a-vis gold is still their decision to make! Inflation is theirs for the taking, if they so choose.
Eh? So if not the gold standard, what were we on then before the existence of the central bank (any one of them)?
Before we had a central bank, we had various states and various banks printing their own currencies that often weren’t accepted elsewhere and were frequntly found to be wholly worthless anywhere. International trade was very difficult. That’s one of the reasons we centralized banking, to get a uniform currency. That it’s based on gold or silver is unimportant, if printed money is used. You can print as much as you want, no matter what its base. Coins of real metal can slow but not stop this ability to inflate.
Before we had a central bank, we had various states and various banks printing their own currencies that often weren’t accepted elsewhere and were frequntly found to be wholly worthless anywhere. International trade was very difficult. That’s one of the reasons we centralized banking, to get a uniform currency. That it’s based on gold or silver is unimportant, if printed money is used. You can print as much as you want, no matter what its base. Coins of real metal can slow but not stop this ability to inflate.
Yes we had various banks printing their own currencies, but they weren’t that prevalent in trade - by far the most common form of trade currency was gold and silver itself. I wouldn’t say international trade was necessarily difficult - e.g. one of the primary reasons Britain didn’t get involved in the Civil War was since they had such a booming cotton trade with the south.
I’m not sure what you mean by “You can print as much as you want, no matter what its base” - you do know what the principle of a metal-backed currency is right?
Metal currency indeed isn’t free from inflation - in fact there was quite a bit of inflation during the California gold rush, due to all the new gold being mined. However it’s a lot more stable in the long run than paper currency with no metal backing, simply because the latter has no physical constraint.
“But if you think over- rather than under-regulation caused this mess, then explain why it coincided with an overall loosening and relaxing (and ignoring) of economic regulations.”
caused by artificially low interest rates created by the Fed. the non “free market” entity exacerbated the loose lending standards.
Would a true free market not have to be a no-taxation barter system? Anything else is manipulation and control, no?
Also, telling somebody they can’t shoot the shopkeep and take their goods is a no-no in a truly free market economy.
Cripes folks. I’ll state this once for your benefit:
FREE MARKET
does NOT equal
ANARCHY
Sheesh.
+1
Free markets still have rule of law. Moral relativists don’t recognize absolutes of good and bad at any point in the spectrum so they won’t ever understand this.
You say a free market requires rules and regulations- and I agree. You seem to disparage a ‘central bank’ or Fed Reserve, but who then issues and controls the currency? If you’re not bartering with PMs etc, then you have a currency issued by a ‘central bank’ or its equivalent, no?
“A free market has rules and regulations.”
Well then it ain’t “free,” is it?
snark? no. murder can be illegal, and you are still “free”. As someone once said, “the freedom for you to move your fist ends where my nose begins”. how do people not get this?
alpha
In the constitution, the federal gov’t (specifically, the legislature) is given the power ”
To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures; ”
They were given the ability to create a common trading platform for the ease of uniform units of transfer. So that people wouldn’t argue that 10 silver coins were worth 2 gold coins instead of 1 gold coin. The idea being to make it easy for people to do what they wanted where they wanted without having to worry that the money they were carting around wouldn’t work as they traveled. This is the explicit reason that coining money is in the same line as setting the standard for weights and measures.
When you have this, you don’t have a central bank. You have a mint, and a dept of weights and measures, and the two work hand in hand.
Well, technically, any rule makes you not free. It’s just that in the real world we have found that rules are required to retain as much freedom as we can. So when people say Greenspan can’t be a laissez faire free marketer because he was the Fed chief, we point out that he was being as ‘free’ as he could, given reality. How do people not get this?
Re: currency
Bank notes have existed for centuries without the Fed.
whoever prints them is, in effect, the Fed
mathguy- any paper money requires a central bank type overseer…if you’re saying all transactions are to be in specie, then we’ve got a whole new economic system, that’s going to be quite onerous on business and trade.
whoever prints them is, in effect, the Fed
Absolutely not. There is one very, very key difference - in the case of the Fed the paper currency was enforced by U.S. legal tender laws - written right on the notes in fact. Thus lawfully the Federal Reserve has a monopoly on currency. That is not true with any other currency. Thus in the past a bank that issued paper currency (if one were so inclined - paper currency wasn’t that common back then) had a vested interest in ensuring that the currency was not devalued, lest the holders easily switch to some other bank’s currency. That’s not true of the Fed’s monopoly, so it has no such qualms about devaluing it. Thus you get what we have - which is a 2,100% devaluation since the Fed was created in 1913.
So you would have more faith in a paper note underwritten by an individual private bank than the Federal Reserve? One of the reasons we switched from private bank notes was their notorious tendency to not be accepted everywhere and to lose all value frequently.
And I still say, if you are using printed money, some Fed-like entity controls its issuance.
So you would have more faith in a paper note underwritten by an individual private bank than the Federal Reserve?
If that note was backed by gold, and by a bank I trusted - absolutely. However I’m not aware of any such notes that are legal - see my note about the monopoly of Federal Reserve notes. I have no choice but to use them - they are the only ones allowed by law.
As it is - all things being equal - if I were to sell you something right now I’d much rather accept physical gold or silver for it than Federal Reserve notes; logistics allowing. Unfortunately the government has made the logistics of PM-based currencies difficult, especially given the introduction of the speculative nature of PM’s by the inflation of paper currency.
P.S. I’m off to bed, so won’t be able to respond to anything else tonight.
Nice circular logic a-sloth, first you deny notes can exist without a fed, then you say they have but can’t be trusted. P-man is totally right on this.
Caveat emptor is an ancient saying for a reason. The people for a perfect world think they can outlaw deception. It hasn’t ever worked and it never will.
packman,
What you say is true in an abstract sense. However, the practical application of an abstraction defines the success of the abstraction. Take Communism as an example. Yes, that failed in the application. Therefore, the abstraction of Marxism/Communism is failed. The application was a complete failure, too! It considered the wholesale murder of millions as another political tool or perhaps a type of political expression.
There are many more examples of this type of economic/government structural failure. Not sure about American Capitalism - yet. The rest of the world is calling us “ruthless”. Hmmm. That doesn’t really sit very well with me.
Roidy
ACH - abstract doesn’t mean it works.
ach, agreed.
packman,
“You best stay away from Rand philosophy, because you don’t get it. Or perhaps more correctly - you don’t understand that recent financial markets in no way shape or form resemble Rand-ian ideals.”
My problem with the whole Rand/Objectivism/ethical egoism thingy is that it is a fine line between taking an action that is in your self-interest that is either neutral or beneficial to others, and taking an action in your self-interest that is destructive to others.
If our constitution allows for acts of self-interest that are destructive to others, and it clearly does (and indeed must), then we create a poorer, weaker society as objectivists cause harm and those harmed are left with nothing but violence and crime to sustain their lives.
The power of democracy is that stakeholders in an action have an opportunity to discuss the merits of the action with each other, judge for themselves the level of harm to each other, and compromise to minimize the resulting harm. Creating a wealthier, more stable society where significant portions of wealth are not having to be siphoned off to provide for the weapons necessary to maintain security against the harmed.
Can we please please please please please please please please please stop pretending that Greenspan was remotely libertarian. His very existence as chairman of an institution that manipulates rates is contrary to libertarian idealogy.
To put it another way, it is not possible to head a banking cartel and support “free” markets at the same time. For god sakes can we put this to rest.
Or, to put it another way, true libertarianism, like true communism, can never exist in this world. So why keep harping on about it- it’s impossible.
“Noble”
Nobel (sorry about the pre-caffeination Freudian slip…)
Bring back Volker!
“Bring back Volker!”
But what would Bernanke do? We can’t just let “top talent” like that go. Give the man a bonus!
Maybe we can get him to start advertising Visine Clear Eyes with Ben Stein. That seems way more useful than what he’s been doing lately.
Oooo I hate Ben Stein.
Yellen might be a good choice, but I’d prefer a monkey with a loaded Oozee.
Yellen is horrendous. As I’ve posted many times, she is quoted as saying that the recession was caused by the financial crisis, nevermind what caused the financial crisis.
The world needs a Fed chairman instinctively sceptical of financial markets and their social value
It would be nice if he/she were skeptical, as well.
News here in DC is going bonkers over the 10% year-to-year increase in sales for July. They even brought out the bought and paid for George Mason University economists to talk about how great this news was for the region. I thought those guys had been tarred, feathered, and run out of town, but apparently they were just in hibernation.
Old administration out, new administration in? I suppose that has nothing to do with uptick. So a 10% increase in transaction volume but I’m sure they don’t mention that prices have adjusted downwards.
Message to deluded house debtors-
Keep digging in your heels…… it makes for a deeper hole.
From the agents I’ve talked to around the city, political turnover only has a marginal impact on housing sales. They make up too small a portion of the population and elections are so regular that the numbers have already been factored in.
I think another reason for the lack of this being a factor is that most of them never leave regardless of who’s in and who’s out.
“News here in DC is going bonkers over the 10% year-to-year increase in sales for July.”
See WSJ Op-ed post below for an explanation of the root cause.
Sales shmales. As I always like to say, it’s the prices, stupid.
Report from the waterways of VT. I’m in the river portion of Champlain at the south end below Ft Ticonderoga. The marina I am in is something out of the 1950s. A stone warehouse built in 1810 serves as the marina office, showers that and above that the owner’s home. The place is small, but the people here are from all over N. America. The owner leaves the keys in his car, and anyone who needs to go to town can borrow it. Our dock neighbors filled our grocery list when they went to town like it was an obligation.
No bubble housing observations in this stretch, but numerous sailboats headed north with American names and ports painted on the stern and French Canadian owners taking their spoil home.
A hot shower is one of life’s greatest luxuries.
Ahhh yes…. The PCB contaminated Champlain.
and watch out for “Nessie” heh! heh?
Well I should have said, Watch out for “champ!”
Although I learned to swim where Champ has supposedly been sighted I can’t remember the early 1960s locals ever bringing it up.
Very very cool, Blue. Agree with you on the hot shower. It’s almost worth the deprivation to be able to look forward to one. FYI, you can get a 5 gal solar heated bag shower for on-board for just a few bucks. I always carry one on pack trips…well worth the weight.
Wondering what is generating the tremendous upsurge in home sales at the height of the worst economic downturn since the 1930s? Look no further than Subprime Uncle Sam for the answer.
Wall Street Journal
* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* AUGUST 11, 2009
The Next Fannie Mae
Ginnie Mae and FHA are becoming $1 trillion subprime guarantors.
Much to their dismay, Americans learned last year that they “owned” Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Well, meet their cousin, Ginnie Mae or the Government National Mortgage Association, which will soon join them as a trillion-dollar packager of subprime mortgages. Taxpayers own Ginnie too.
Only last week, Ginnie announced that it issued a monthly record of $43 billion in mortgage-backed securities in June. Ginnie Mae President Joseph Murin sounded almost giddy as he cheered this “phenomenal growth.” Ginnie Mae’s mortgage exposure is expected to top $1 trillion by the end of next year—or far more than double the dollar amount of 2007. (See the nearby table.) Earlier this summer, Reuters quoted Anthony Medici of the Housing Department’s Inspector General’s office as saying, “Who would have predicted that Ginnie Mae and Fannie Mae would have swapped positions” in loan volume?
Ginnie’s mission is to bundle, guarantee and then sell mortgages insured by the Federal Housing Administration, which is Uncle Sam’s home mortgage shop. Ginnie’s growth is a by-product of the FHA’s spectacular growth. The FHA now insures $560 billion of mortgages—quadruple the amount in 2006. Among the FHA, Ginnie, Fannie and Freddie, nearly nine of every 10 new mortgages in America now carry a federal taxpayer guarantee.
Herein lies the problem. The FHA’s standard insurance program today is notoriously lax. It backs low downpayment loans, to buyers who often have below-average to poor credit ratings, and with almost no oversight to protect against fraud. Sound familiar? This is called subprime lending—the same financial roulette that busted Fannie, Freddie and large mortgage houses like Countrywide Financial.
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We’ve long argued that Congress has a fiduciary duty to secure the safety and soundness of FHA through common sense reforms. Eliminate the 100% guarantee on FHA loans, so lenders have a greater financial incentive to insure the soundness of the loan; adopt the private sector convention of a 10% down payment, which would reduce foreclosures; and stop putting subprime loans that should have never been made in the first place on the federal balance sheet.
The housing lobby, which gets rich off FHA insurance, has long blocked these due-diligence reforms, saying there’s no threat to taxpayers. That’s what they also said about Fan and Fred—$400 billion ago.
The Wall Street Journal editors apparently have been banging the drum on the need for a sound housing finance system for years and years.
Now that we have seen the near-collapse of the global economy, in no small part thanks to myriad destructive government interventions in the US housing finance system, one might guess that policy makers would change course and exit the subprime lending business. Instead, it appears they are going for a variant of the hair-of-the-dog cure. Except rather than stopping with the hair, they have boiled the poor hound in a vat of oil in order to serve it up for dinner.
They’re taking it to a new level.
Literally.
I’m becoming convinced that we really are on a new plateau of debt - that the Federal Government intends to just keep us there, and consequences be damned. They’ll continue gaming the system - keeping people in debt either directly via mortgages or indirectly through the Treasury. This will not end well. The question isn’t “how”, but just “when”.
I’m sad for my children.
“I’m sad for my children.”
I’m happy for mine, as they have the shining example of me and their three aunts (my sisters) on my side of the family who all live debt-free. I am not saying we don’t use credit — we just religiously avoid abusing it.
Hopefully my kids will follow my side of the family’s example rather than sliding down the slippery slope enjoyed by some of my wife’s debt-beat siblings…
Good. Same for me (for the most part - I do have a mortgage though it’s less than 50% of the latest appraised value of my house). In that respect I’m happy as well. However it’s really hard to avoid just having an overall sense of dread at the headlight that’s coming down the tracks, knowing that even though we can avoid personal debt, responsibility for that government debt is unavoidable; at least relatively so.
I’m sad for my children ??
I feel that my children are learning a important life lesson in financial management…The same lesson that I learned in 1981….
I’m not sure that debt levels can “plateau” any more than house prices. Keep in mind that even absent a federal budget deficit, old debt needs to be refinanced regularly. Once people stop trusting the US Government or the dollar, interest skyrockets and debt levels go either asymptotic or sharply down.
“I’m sad for my children.”
Teach them how the system works. They’ll be fine.
“Teach them how the system works.”
The system doesn’t work. Let’s hope we can fix it up a bit for the following generations.
They’ll be fine.
Every society eventually breaks down - often in catastrophic fashion. Thus at least one generation of children ends up being not fine. I do hope it’s not mine.
The Wall Street Journal editors apparently have been banging the drum on the need for a sound housing finance system for years and years.
Really? I certainly don’t recall wsj doing anything but rah rah’ing for the housing and banking systems.
I guess they are hoping none of us would notice their ‘turn around’/change of mind.
I see countless low-to-moderate income US households facing future foreclosure thanks to Subprime Sam’s tempting offer to make subprime loans during a period of severe economic weakness. The FHA guarantees ensure that it is the US taxpayer (i.e., people who have no desire to invest in subprime lending operations) who will be left holding the bag, as lenders are protected by the guarantees. Since the lenders don’t bear the cost of bad underwriting decisions, and borrowers are relieved of the need to prove their creditworthiness by saving up a substantial downpayment, this program is rife with adverse selection issues.
The numbers of knifecatchers able to take advantage of this program will be too few to make any difference at all. This is a non-starter proposal just like those which went before.
Exactly. The bottom of the barrel has already been scraped. There is nothing left.
Will the minority group members in the cohort of knifecatchers currently using Ginnie Mae-financed subprime loans to buy homes eventually sue the government for discrimination?
Wells Fargo accused of bias on subprime loans
The Illinois state attorney general files a lawsuit alleging that the bank sold the more costly mortgages more often to blacks and Latinos as compared with whites with similar incomes.
By E. Scott Reckard
August 1, 2009
Accusing Wells Fargo & Co. of discriminating against minority borrowers by steering them into subprime mortgages, Illinois’ attorney general sued the San Francisco bank, asking a state court to negate the loans and to fine Wells, the nation’s largest home lender.
“The dreams of many hardworking families have ended in foreclosure due to Wells Fargo’s illegal and unfair conduct,” Atty. Gen. Lisa Madigan said in filing the lawsuit Friday in Cook County Circuit Court.
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This can’t be! Why, we all know is was dem damn po’ folks fault and that guy from Congress!
Brain cancer “’so what, who cares’?”
Potential Acreage cancer cluster hurts home sales
By MITRA MALEK
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Monday, August 10, 2009
THE ACREAGE — Looming concerns over a potential cancer cluster in The Acreage are casting a pall over the community’s real estate.
At least one bank turned down a mortgage because of the scare, and buyers have backed out of deals. One young couple nearly lost the home they were about to close on because the lending bank wanted an official letter noting that a cluster hadn’t yet been confirmed. In the least, the pool of buyers has shrunk.
“People are holding off,” said Nancy Drysdale, who’s been selling homes in the area since 1978. “They’re kind of waiting for the state to give them an answer.”
The Florida Department of Health by the end of August is expected to determine whether a brain cancer cluster is in the central Palm Beach County community. Some residents suspect environmental contamination, and the state Department of Environmental Protection last week sampled water ahead of the DOH findings.
SunTrust Mortgage on Friday denied a credit request for one family to buy a house in the northern Acreage, citing “possible environmental hazard” and referencing the DOH investigation in its statement of denial.
“It’s common industry practice to not move forward with a loan if environmental questions are raised,” said SunTrust spokesman Michael McCoy. “That said, we are committed to working with our clients in the area on a case-by-case basis.”
It’s unclear how many other banks might be following suit.
“We’ve got nothing, no restrictions on anything there,” said Fred Solomon, a spokesman with PNC Financial Services Group, Inc.
But Solomon declined to comment on whether the bank had denied any mortgage requests because of the cancer investigation or environmental concerns.
Wells Fargo “is continuing to lend in the market in question,” said Kathy Harrison, a spokeswoman for Wachovia, a Wells Fargo company.
Without losing sight of the Federal Equal Credit Opportunity Act, banks generally craft their own underwriting guidelines, said John Hart, a real estate attorney with Carlton Fields in West Palm Beach.
“From a lender’s standpoint, if it turns out that there is an area that has significant environmental issues” and properties could be seriously devalued, “certainly the lender has a right to look at that,” Hart said.
Teresa Hans almost lost the Acreage home she’d hunted for since April when on July 28 - the day before she was scheduled to close - Wells Fargo said it needed a letter from the DOH stating that its investigation hadn’t concluded. The bank found out about the suspected cluster because Hans’ appraiser had made a note about it in his report.
Hans, who currently lives in The Acreage, got the letter late last week and is scheduled to close today. .
Vickie Meyer, of Re/Max Masters, said one of her Acreage home sales recently fell through because the buyer feared a cancer cluster. She’s had one recent sale in the area, and that was in June.
“You’re always going to have a certain percentage of people that are going to be very cautious and not buy,” Meyer said. “And you’ll have people with the attitude of, ’so what, who cares’?”
By MITRA MALEK
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Thursday, June 18, 2009
UPDATED: 6:01 p.m. July 27, 2009
Two days before a surgeon removed 5-year-old Garrett Dunsford’s brain tumor, he removed a tumor from 16-year-old Kristina DeCarlo’s brain.
The kids live less than two miles from each other in The Acreage.
Acreage cancer watch
“We just thought it was a weird coincidence at first,” said Garrett’s mom, Jennifer Dunsford.
Then, within a year, by the end of 2008, a 14-year-old girl who lives three miles away was diagnosed with a brain tumor. And several adults within the small area also had brain tumors, including a man who died in May 2005.
Brain cancer victims kept cropping up nearby, Dunsford said. “It was very strange.”
Last month she decided to ask the state Department of Health to examine for a cancer cluster - a higher-than-expected concentration of the same cancer in one geographic area.
The state thought the inquiry was substantial enough to begin the first step of the process: gathering basic information on residents in the area who have had brain cancer. If the incidence rate is higher than expected, scientists might launch an investigation.
I’ve heard of these cancer “clusters” before. It was once theorized that NV had a higher incidence rate than other states due to nuke testing, toxic waste etc. I don’t suppose all that drinking, gambling and smoking had anything to do with it?
Nuke contamination in Nevada????
Oh yeah…. the Nevada Test Site…. the entrance is in MERCURY NEVADA, just a 50 minute drive from the Las Vegas Airport. ( note: this town is not shown on all maps)
Many hundreds of atomic bombs were exploded here, contaminating the whole southern end of the state.
YUCCA MOUNTAIN is also there at the western edge of the test site… the future storage site for all HIGH level nuke waste from this country. by the way.. the underground river below Yucca mountain flows to Death valley CA. Appropriate name.
The study concluded that southern Utah and northern Arizona also were affected so it probably had little to do with the smoking and drinking. There is a government program that pays a benefit to people from certain counties in these three states who lived there during the years in question and died of certain forms of cancer.
My father grew up in Navajo county, Arizona and died of lymphoma, though he also witnessed a test first hand and worked at the INEL for 40 years so it’s anybody’s guess from whence came his gamma blast.
The article uses the words “almost lost the house” like that’s a bad thing. I’d be delighted to hear the bank wouldn’t approve my mortgage under those circumstances.
Indeed, we can’t let lethal illnesses get in the way of scamming each other with overpriced houses in a deathtrap town!
Gotta make more loans - and look, good ol’ “Walk-over-yah” is involved in this deadly game! No surprise there!
Throw a double handful of pennies halfway across a room and onto a rug. You see a number of “penny clusters” once they’ve all come to rest. That’s the nature of randomness.
The probability of encountering the same number of brain cancer cases in every quarter-mile square of a city is very close to zero.
Did ya know that all the elementary, jr high and high schools in the San Fernando valley are all built on landfills? Got cheap rates for the land and poof your little susy/johnny is playing tether ball on a toxic landfill, years later may have serious health problems.
And don’t get me started on all the pesticides that were sprayed during the spring and fall on weeds surrounding the school yards. I remember that ugly amber color and stink. The desert area was exactly the same.
Corner of Ramon/Gene Autry where the new homedepot etc are, is a huge section of land that before they built, the land had to be excavated for hundreds of yards down to clean up what was a landfill with ordinance from Patton- WWII. HUGE Mountains of sand sprayed with water to keep sand from blowing, while they sifted through this entire section.
Is Toll Bros selling anything any more these days?
Wall Street Journal
* LARGE STOCK FOCUS
* AUGUST 11, 2009
Toll Brothers Slides; Hormel Climbs 5.8%
BY ANJALI CORDEIRO
NEW YORK — Stocks finished lower Monday as Priceline dot com jumped on earnings news, Best Buy fell on an analyst downgrade, and Toll Brothers slid with the rest of the housing sector.
Monday’s pullback came after stocks hit fresh 2009 highs Friday on data that showed a drop in the unemployment rate. Investors have increasingly begun to watch for signs the economy is beginning to rebound, and the jobs data helped feed that optimism.
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I have no direct evidence, but I have long suspected that Toll Brothers enjoys a stochastic version of the Greenspan put, targeted at $20 a share. I frankly expected them to go out of business by now, as their business model is defunct, so hats off to them for surviving the crisis!
frankly expected them to go out of business by now ??
I have had many discussions with colleges about who will be left standing…We all agree that the moderate sized builder is toast…The small builder will have to scrounge around…Honestly I think many in the trades should look for new careers..
I have had many discussions with colleges
Wow, sc !
There has never been a better time to be a bear!
Indications
Aug 11, 2009, 8:19 a.m. EST
Stock-index futures flat ahead of productivity figures
By William L. Watts, MarketWatch
LONDON (MarketWatch) — U.S. stock index futures were mixed Tuesday, pointing to a flat start for Wall Street as the Federal Reserve begins its two-day monetary-policy meeting and traders await data on productivity in the second quarter.
S&P 500 futures fell 2.9 points to 1,004.60. Nasdaq 100 futures were down 3.5 points to 1,609. Futures on the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 11 points.
Data to be released by the Labor Department at 8:30 a.m. Eastern are forecast to show second-quarter U.S. unit labor costs fell 5.3%, while productivity is expected to show a 5.4% increase, according to a survey of economists by MarketWatch.
Meanwhile, many strategists have grown skeptical of prospects for the market’s continued advance.
“So far, the market’s gains have been pretty spectacular,” wrote John Higgins, senior market economist at Capital Economics. “The S&P 500 is roughly 50% higher than it was on [March 9]. But if history is a useful guide, the rally is likely to run out of steam soon.”
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This makes me feel better about still having most of my 401(k), and my husband’s, in cash. Thanks, Professor.
Those productivity gains come from furloughs (make you do the same amount of work over fewer days for less money) and pay cuts. Hardly good news.
The American worker works more hours with less free time than any other worker in the industrialized nations. Yes, more than even the Japanese.
Read that again.
And our comparative productivity is only a few points higher than theirs.
We’re a nation of morons and we deserve exactly what we get.
Krugman said the Fed had run out of bubbles. But he failed to recognize the tremendous potential for recycling them.
Paul B. Farrell
Aug 11, 2009, 12:01 a.m. EST
New bull, new bubble, new meltdown by 2012
Commentary: Brutal ‘collateral damage’ will follow recovery
By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch
ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) — Something’s in the air. You can feel it. A new bull. Hype? Maybe, but also a roaring new bull — and eventually another meltdown.
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New, bigger bubble — and a meltdown ahead
Yes, folks, a new bubble cycle is already in motion. You can feel the energy building, the kind that fueled the meltdowns of 1998, 2000 and 2007. We never resolved the problems fueling the dot-com insanity. We made matters worse feeding the subprime credit-derivatives disaster with cheap money, Reaganomics ideology and two costly wars. Lessons were never learned, nothing was resolved. Today matters continue deteriorating.
Behind the hoopla, the Wall Street conspiracy has dumped $23.7 trillion new bailout debt on taxpayers. The bill will come due. But for now, we’re getting their wish: A new bubble is accelerating, thanks to America’s “too-greedy-to-fail” Wall Street banks.
Folks, you can bet on it, sure as Regis is hosting “Who Wants to be a Millionaire?” The bull, a bubble, and another meltdown are virtually certain and accelerating faster than earlier cycles, coming by 2012. How to profit? Ride it up for a couple years, then pray you’ll have enough brain left to bail out in time before the crash (most don’t) because at that point the euphoria is blinding, like a cocaine addiction.
Want more proof of inevitability? Here are some visionaries who aren’t working for Wall Street’s hype machine: Michael Lewis, former Wall Street trader and author of “Panic: The Story of Modern Financial Insanity,” recently told Newsweek: “There’s a false sense that it’s over, that the crisis is passed.” The bailouts have merely postponed the inevitable. “We are in for another day of reckoning down the road.”
The next one will be bigger, “badder,” a real demolition derby. Several months ago, in a Vanity Fair article, “Wall Street Lays Another Egg,” Harvard financial historian Niall Ferguson sounded more like a shrink: “Markets are mirrors of the human psyche.” Like individuals “they can become depressed … even suffer complete breakdowns.”
The five stages of a bubble popping
In the 400-year history of stock markets “there has been a long succession of financial bubbles,” Ferguson says. “Time and again, asset prices have soared to unsustainable heights only to crash downward again.” It’s an all-too-familiar cycle, in fact, so familiar is this pattern — as described by the economic historian Charles Kindleberger — that it is possible to distill it into five stages:
1. Displacement: “Some change in economic circumstances creates new and profitable opportunities.” Last year’s historic bailout, election, new ideology.
2. Euphoria or overtrading: “A feedback process sets in whereby expectation of rising profits leads to rapid growth in asset prices.” Goldman is proof.
3. Mania and bubble: Prospects of “easy capital gains attract first-time investors and swindlers eager to mulct them of their money.” More bubbles: 2010-2011.
4. Distress: “Insiders discern that profits cannot possibly justify the now exorbitant price of the assets and begin to take profits.” Wall Street replays 2007-2008.
5. Revulsion or discredit: “Asset prices fall, the outsiders stampede for the exits, causing the bubble to burst.” Yes, 2008’s brutal meltdown repeats in 2012.
The culprit? The Fed, Ferguson says: “Without easy credit creation a true bubble cannot occur. That is why so many bubbles have their origins in the sins of omission and commission of central banks.” So the next bubble (and meltdown) is virtually certain, thanks to Washington’s $23.7 trillion explosion in debt.
Revolution coming with next meltdown
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As much as I enjoy Paul Farrell’s column, I have to say that from a rational expectations perspective, his assertion that the market is going to melt down all over again in 2012 is somewhat questionable. If market participants knew the stock market was going to crash in three years, they would sell off today, rather than waiting around to catch falling knives.
“If market participants knew…”
Which participants, PB?
GS-level particpants or state pension plan-level particpants?
LOL! Right, as noted above, the buying isn’t coming from money markets. Frankly, I don’t see IRA account holders and 401k participants wanting to get much above 30% equities levels any time in the future? And I ‘do’ mean any.
In fact, if you look at traditional financial architecture, that’s where it’s normally supposed to be anyway!
Except that most market participants think that they’re smarter than everyone else, and therefore be able to ride the market to the top and jump out just before the fall.
“If market participants knew the stock market was going to crash in three years, they would sell off today…”
Huh?!
If I knew the market was going to crash in three years, I’d go “all in” today.
Bill thinks he’s smart. (see my post above) No, but seriously, THAT’S the problem: Plenty of the people pushing big piles of money around* are smart and KNOW that the equity prices are unsupportable. THEY just think that they’re going to be able to figure out the day before everybody else when the market will go down. Their motto is “How can you tell the difference between a one day decline and the switch to a prolonged bear market? I’m the one selling before the Bear market.”
*the people who are actually making the decisions, not neccesarily the “I’m just buying AAA rated securitys for the pension fund,” people.
PB didn’t someone mention the other day that August 20 was a date for suspicion?
The increasing speed of events alone is remarkable. March is being sold as capitulation, we all know it wasn’t.
March is being sold as capitulation ??
Successfully I might add…
“Without easy credit creation, a true bubble cannot occur.”
So we had no bubbles prior to the existence of central banks?
There do seem to be a lot of people that believe abolishing the fed eliminate any chance of bubbles forming. That of course is nonsense. It doesn’t even take debt. A bubble could be formed anytime the savings rate drops, it’s just more deadly when the rate goes into negative territory.
“So we had no bubbles prior to the existence of central banks?”
Can you think of a bubble before the Medici?
economic history is rather patchy in the ancient world
I’ve got time, I’ll wait. Ever heard of Josephus?
Central bankers and Fed supports will be happy to remind you that we did. But at least they weren’t fueled by inflationary policies.
I’m not sure I can take a guy seriously who doesn’t know that Regis no longer hosts WWTBAM.
(yeah, I checked)
Economic Report
Aug 11, 2009, 7:00 a.m. EST
China bank lending fell almost 77% in July
By Chris Oliver, MarketWatch
HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — Lending by Chinese banks slowed in July, softening the pace of growth in the nation’s broad money supply, following record loan issuance in the first half.
Data released Tuesday by the People’s Bank of China showed new loans for July totaled 355.9 billion yuan ($52 billion), down almost 77% from June’s 1.53 trillion yuan.
The latest figures brought total lending growth this year to 7.7 trillion yuan, a more than doubling from the first seven months of last year.
Of July’s loan figure, 236.5 billion yuan went to households while 119 billion yuan went to corporations, the smallest such issuance since November 2007.
“After the blowout in June (when 1.228 trillion of net loans were extended to corporations), a sharp slowdown was always going to happen, but this may still unnerve the market and is another signal that the momentum has dissipated,” wrote Standard Chartered analysts in a note Tuesday.
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SALARIES
Pay raises fall as bonuses rise
A new survey shows U.S. companies this year are doling out the lowest salary raises in the 33 years of the poll’s history, but are also devoting the largest portion yet of their payrolls to bonuses.
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Well, we need to retain the TALENT that has managed to crash the ship of our economy onto the rocks!
one last looting, for old time’s sake…
‘…toward… a door marked Nevermore,
a door that wasn’t there before…’
The lowest in 33 years? Most people I know haven’t even gotten cost of living raises in years.
raising hand :\
Real estate slump blamed for Barratt American’s failure
Builder going out of business
By Roger Showley
Union-Tribune Staff Writer
2:00 a.m. August 11, 2009
Homes in La Costa stood unfinished in February after the project was foreclosed upon. The builder, Barratt American, is going out of business. - Earnie Grafton / Union-Tribune
“We’re not quite sure of all the liabilities.”
RICHARD M. KIPPERMAN, court-appointed trustee for Barratt American
Barratt American President Michael D. Pattinson (right) before a tour of a project in downtown San Diego in 2007.
Barratt American, once one of San Diego County’s leading home builders, is going out of business — a victim of the real estate slump and, perhaps, its expansion into pricey housing projects and big master-planned communities.
The company, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization in December, agreed to switch to Chapter 7 bankruptcy liquidation last week after its creditors complained that reorganization would be “futile.”
Barratt President Michael D. “Mick” Pattinson, who with local management partners had acquired the company from its British owners in 2004 for $165 million, said yesterday that he intends to start a new company next year after learning the lessons of building in a boom and bust.
“Here’s the mistake we builders made — we went on building when we should have put our tools down and stopped work and said these land prices are ridiculous, the time to get entitlements is stupid and $100,000 per house in fees is unconscionable,” Pattinson said.
As national builders abandoned the San Diego market, local companies retrenched in line with slower demand. Through June, builders have obtained only 907 single-family-home building permits, down from 1,408 for the same period last year and 4,794 in the first half of 2005, the last boom year. Barratt is one of the few to go out of business completely.
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“$100,000 per house in fees”
How’d that work out for the taxing authorities? It appears the near-shutdown of the California building industry is in part due to lethal-level building fees.
I’ve spoken to this before. Some can’t understand why a custom home in LA county could cost $150/sq. to build. If the first $40/sq. are just fees and taxes you get there pretty easy.
Glad you touched on this.The building fees were the new extorsion fees from local govts.Basically pay us or you do not throw up one 2*4.They have the builders by the balls.
Looks like they shot themselves in the balls, as you can’t squeeze blood out of a bankrupt builder…
And you can’t squeeze property taxes out of homeowners if the homes don’t get built …
Looks like they shot themselves in the balls ??
Yep…And the burden for the muni’s is entrenched…They can’t cut fast or deep enough…Unions…Believe it or not, even in this environment, they are raising their fee’s…
ET– And you also don’t have to provide them services. Idealy, taxes would pay for the services provided and impact fees would pay for the necessary infrastructure. So I.F. pay to build the roads, schools, etc, and taxes pay for maintenance and teachers. This way current residents are are not forced to repay (through their taxes) the bonds to build schools and roads needed by newcomers.
“…taxes would pay for the services provided and impact fees would pay for the necessary infrastructure.”
- To levy taxes you need jobs.
- To attract workers you need jobs and affordable housing.
- To support the market for affordable housing, you need jobs that pay decent wages (to support the demand side of the market), and housing whose price is within reach of said wages (to keep the supply side of the market within reach).
Do California’s super-high building fees help to attract a vibrant young work force by generating jobs or affordable housing?
Right, a good friend likes to call them, “Because we CAN fees!” We’d seen it to a lesser degree here in OR. But this is the double-edge sword that played to bigger builder’s advantage all during the boom?
They actually ‘liked’ the higher fees as it kept mom & pop builders out of the mix. Btw I’m all for this guy -not- starting another business. But that’s just me?
Your spot on DinOr….
He also mentions “time to entitlement”…Thats the biggest problem…
Time=money.
I actually think the builders love the regulation. It keeps the little guy/do-it-yourselfer out of the game and makes him buy a McCrapbox.
“…land prices are ridiculous, the time to get entitlements is stupid and $100,000 per house in fees is unconscionable,”
The following was “off-the-record” :
“You know there used to be this whacked out guy that walked around this neighborhood carrying a sign that said: “14+% mortgage rates now!” …we’d shoot the nail gun at his feet to run him off, think his name was Hwy, guy seriously wanted to stop the housing market in it’s tracks, whacked I tell ya…”
LOL
“It’s not a crime to be ignorant of economics…but it is irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic issues while remaining in that state of ignorance.”
~Murray Rothbard
OK, Murray, we will have to just leave it all up to the economic experts, then, as they are doing such a fine job of boiling our country’s financial system in a pot of oil.
I doubt Rothbard would consider Bernanke, Geithner, and co. to be economic experts.
I would not consider you an economic expert if you cannot distinguish between Geithner and Bernanke.
Ok, then clue me in. What’s the distinction?
One is an academic economist with a lengthy publication list and tenure at Princeton.
What’s the distinction?
One is an academic douche bag and the other one is just a douche bag.
Sweet hit NYCB.
I’m with NYCBoy, and I’ll add to that, they’re both douchebags who either currently or previously worked for our lovely national banking cartel.
Whether or not it is fair, it appears Bernanke will get all the credit for helping the economy survive the credit storm and none of the credit for precipitating the bad weather.
I find it quite amusing that the same cadre of Wall Street economists who could not see the inflating housing bubble right under their nose nor foresee its collapse, and who did not even recognize the recession in progress until it was nearly a year old are now already declaring it over before the unemployment rate has even hit a peak. They also don’t seem aware of the differences between the crisis currently underway and all the other post WWII recessions. Like a major earthquake, this one will have high-magnitude aftershocks.
But you do have to give the Wall Street economists credit for understanding who butters their bread.
Wall Street Journal
* ECONOMIC FORECASTING
* AUGUST 12, 2009
Economists Call for Bernanke to Stay, Say Recession Is Over
By PHIL IZZO
Economists are nearly unanimous that Ben Bernanke should be reappointed to another term as Federal Reserve chairman, and they said there is a 71% chance that President Barack Obama will ask him to stay on, according to a survey.
Meanwhile, the majority of the economists The Wall Street Journal surveyed during the past few days said the recession that began in December 2007 is now over. Battling the downturn defined most of Mr. Bernanke’s term, which began in early 2006 and expires in January, and economists say his handling of the crisis has earned him four more years as Fed chief.
“He deserves a lot of credit for stabilizing the financial markets,” said Joseph Carson of AllianceBernstein. “Confidence in recovery would be damaged if he was not reappointed.”
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Translation: Bernanke is too big to fail.
Perhaps the Fed’s bubble-blowing economic management style represents the best of all possible central banking regimes? At least it must look pretty good from a Wall Street perspective, as the bull’s eye for helicopter drops of bailout monies is painted in the heart of Manhattan.
* The Wall Street Journal
* OPINION: BUSINESS WORLD
* JULY 1, 2009
Too Bernanke To Fail?
There is no practical solution to “too big to fail,” and no alternative to the Fed’s ability to print money to ease potentially destabilizing financial panics.
By HOLMAN W. JENKINS, JR.
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And Mr. Bernanke? His moment of twisting in the wind has created, surprisingly, an opportunity for Mr. Obama, who, after a suitable pause, can now reappoint the Republican-appointed Fed chief and make him a bit more of an Obama man.
Larry Summers, who is believed to want the job, is problematic on two counts: The White House might be accused of trying to install a political operative to support Mr. Obama’s re-election; yet the ambitious and unclubbable Mr. Summers might actually prove a headache for the White House if he decided he should run the economy single-handedly.
Better the devil you know (and like personally). There’s even an opening for a steroid replay of the Clinton-Greenspan bargain of the early 1990s: Mr. Obama gets a grip on spending; Mr. Bernanke keeps interest rates low. Just maybe we get out of today’s mess without wrecking the dollar or snuffing the economy with killer taxes.
wmbz,
No actually, I think the quote is very appropriate. How is this -not- exactly what the builders did? There was demand for new homes because they SAID there was demand for new homes!
Local authorities -had- to be questioning ( or at least shaking their heads ) as subdivision after subdivision was approved? But… these guys make the big bucks so… I guess they know what they’re doing?
I guess I am not the only USA citizen who views Main-Street-financed bonus payments to Wall Street managers who threw away billions of shareholder wealth as an abomination.
Judge puts brakes on BofA deal, criticizes bonuses
By Louise Story
NEW YORK TIMES NEWS SERVICE
2:00 a.m. August 11, 2009
NEW YORK — Reigniting a major controversy over Wall Street pay, a federal judge yesterday sharply criticized the bonuses that Merrill Lynch hurriedly paid out before it was acquired by Bank of America last year, and he pointedly questioned a federal settlement that had seemed to put the issue to rest.
A week after the Securities and Exchange Commission announced that it had settled the matter, Judge Jed Rakoff questioned whether the $33 million agreement with Bank of America was sufficient. Rakoff refused to approve the deal, saying too many questions remained unanswered, including who knew what and when about the controversial payouts.
His ruling prolongs what has become a major embarrassment for Bank of America and its chief executive, Ken Lewis, and also deals a stinging blow to the SEC. Rakoff ordered the bank and the commission to submit more information to him within two weeks.
During an at times heated hearing in New York, the judge was scathing about the settlement, in which the SEC accused Bank of America of misleading its shareholders. Bank of America neither admitted nor denied wrongdoing.
Bank of America and Merrill Lynch, Rakoff said, “effectively lied to their shareholders.” The $3.6 billion in bonuses paid by Merrill as the ailing brokerage giant was taken over by the bank was effectively “from Uncle Sam.”
The Merrill bonuses, which were the subject of a state investigation and prompted an outcry in Congress, were paid even though Merrill Lynch lost $27 billion last year. Its deepening red ink later forced Bank of America to seek a second taxpayer-funded bailout.
“Do Wall Street people expect to be paid large bonuses in years when their company lost $27 billion?” the judge asked.
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$3,600 million in bonuses does seem rather large compared to a paltry $33 million dollar SEC settlement, doesn’t it? A little long division suffices to point out the disparity:
(33/3600)*100 < 1% —
The proposed SEC penalty is less than 1% of the (taxpayer-provided) Merrill bonuses!
Whose side does the SEC represent: The American people’s, or Megabank, Inc’s?
Is that even a question? This of it this way - the only reason people (lawyers) go work for the SEC is so that they can come out and go in-house to a major bank.
“Is that even a question?”
Have you never before seen a rhetorical question?
The theft is particularly blatant these days, isn’t it? I guess they’re not scared of what the American people think of them.
They aren’t scared because the average American has no idea what’s happening, only now that job losses are mounting have they started to open their sleepy eyes. Hyperinflaion and massive unemployment are the only things that will get the masses angry.
Not sure it is because the average American has no idea what’s up (which may be the case), so much as because those Americans who do know what’s up don’t have the political will or means (e.g. organization) necessary to change the status quo.
Just preoccupied with staying alive and worn out I think. I believe a lot more people know what is going on, a little, than is disclosed by stupid questionnaires, or whatever.
Ate-Up, spot on.
Unwashed masses, stupid people, average person doesn’t know what is going on. What a bunch of snobbish crap.
Did it ever cross anyone’s mind that some of these people are just trying to survive, keep the roof over their heads and put food on the table for them or their family?
My personal experience is that most people I meet really DON’T understand what is going on.
They really ARE that stupid.
That’s why I’m here. You people at least have a clue and often some really good insights. That includes all of you.
There is also the “If those smart people got us into this, what chance do WE have?” factor. Also I think that many of those that DO have an inkling, also have some degree of culpability. “I didn’t think that I could afford all this stuff, but the (supposedly smart) banker said I could, so I took his money (debt, really).”
I think folks really are that uninformed. Truly. They don’t really care, but probably to the above post,they figure if the ’smart guys’ can’t do it, what chance do we have.
But then these dupes believe anything they see on the tube between reno911 and faux. LOL
Comment by jfp
2009-08-11 07:57:06
The theft is particularly blatant these days, isn’t it? I guess they’re not scared of what the American people think of them.
The few folks with the firepower and the inclination are more likely getting worked up over gay marriage or foaming at the mouth over the possibility of health care for all. They could actually do something useful on Wall Street, which is badly in need of a sheriff, Client No. 9 notwithstanding.
“…they’re not scared of what the American people think of them.”
They have Obama to protect them from the angry mob wielding pitch forks, buckets of tar and feathers.
Sometimes I wonder if Obama isn’t giving them enough rope to hang themselves. He’s not been shown to be so stupid yet, in my book. Politics is chess, not checkers.
Oh, brother!
Seriously, bro. If he had stepped in and nationalized or even just fired the ‘generals’, then the whole mess was his. Instead he kept them all on, and loaned them some more money, to game the system with and give themselves bonuses with. And make the rest of the US hate them like we do. Once the system collapses again- as it will- then he can scrap the old system and replace it with a new one without people saying the old way works fine. He’s allowing the old way to prove itself a failure, and do his work for him, en passant.
alpha-sloth — Good analysis!
That must be why he also has that genius plan of letting FHA make a trillion dollars worth of subprime loans. I guess I just overlooked the genius of it all.
You know alpha-sloth, that’s damn close to how FDR played it.
I think that’s his model, ecofeco. And not a bad one, either!
Why should they be scared of the American people? The American people are helpless.
They need to learn more about the gun bubble in the bad way.
“Do Wall Street people expect to be paid large bonuses in years when their company lost $27 billion?” the judge asked.
“…Bank of America neither admitted nor denied wrongdoing.”
There’s that word again: “Justice”
Are you implying Mr. Bear that Cheney-Shrub’s Crissy Cox would have gotten more money’s for “The People”?
I think he’s implying that if he knew this judge’s address he’d send him roses or chocolates and if he met him he’d embrace him like a long lost brother.
U.S. productivity rises at fastest pace in six years
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/US-productivity-rises-at-rb-1456518377.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=8&asset=&ccode=
“Analysts polled by Reuters had forecast productivity, which measures the hourly output per worker, rising at a 5.3 percent rate in the second quarter.
“It’s good because it helps keep inflation low; labor costs are pretty benign,” said Scott Brown, chief economist at Raymond James & Associates in St. Petersburg, Florida.
“On the other hand it means you can do more with fewer people,” he said.”
What a novel concept. Let’s actually do our job….
Unfortunately, I still see a projects that could be done by one person but reponsibility is spread out to multiple people. It’s also funny when they do cut positions, employees with added responsibilities think it’s too much to handle and they start looking for another gravy train. But this time it’s different. Not like in the Dot Com era where you can hop from one job to another. Recent workforce from 2000-2007 never really experienced a major Recession. I remember my dad was layed off in the early eighties. It was a tough time. The time he got work (as an engineer) he worked his tail off to get more hours and when he finally became full time, he took on more responsibilties to make sure he is not the first one canned if they went through another round of layoffs. Luckily he retired from the same company. He once told me, it was a difficult job and many times he wanted to quit but he always looks back to when he didn’t have a job.
I’m somewhat a different breed since I specialize on a specific trade and projects lasts between 4-7 years. (I’m involved in 3 projects so my workload is high) I just remember what my dad said so I always try to learn more things, stay up to date with technology, get certified on other trades. I may have a bunch of unnecessary certifications but you’ll never know.
FP,
Excellent post. ( I’ve been banging on that drum for years ) Only to have it mostly fall on deaf ears. That was a big part of the allure of -both- the dot.com and housing bubbles.
You were almost assured a comfortable exit from the workforce at an early age. Only difference between the two was that in one case, people were trading their ETrade accounts at work and in the other they were checking on koi pond supplies from the Home Depot website.
China’s Falling Exports, Loans Signal Stimulus Needed.
Aug. 11 (Bloomberg) — China’s exports and new loans tumbled in July and industrial output rose less than estimates, underscoring government concern that the world’s third-biggest economy is yet to establish a solid recovery.
Exports fell 23 percent from a year earlier, the customs bureau said. Industrial production gained 10.8 percent, the statistics bureau reported. New loans plunged to 355.9 billion yuan ($52 billion), less than a quarter of June’s level, the central bank said.
China will maintain a “moderately loose” monetary policy and “proactive” fiscal stance to bolster domestic spending in the face of slumping exports, Premier Wen Jiabao said Aug. 9. New loans fell as the government and banks moved to avert bad debt and bubbles in stocks and property after a record $1.1 trillion of lending in the first half helped drive a 7.9 percent economic expansion in the second quarter.
“There’s an element of fragility in the recovery,” said Glenn Maguire, chief Asia-Pacific economist at Societe Generale in Hong Kong. “The government needs an appropriately loose monetary policy.”
Oh happy happy joy joy. Boise is the center of an article on housing in Time.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1913763-1,00.html
By last winter, the game had changed. When the couple started looking at houses again, they found plenty in their price range. The western suburbs of Boise, Idaho — four- and five-year-old neighborhoods scattered among hay farms and potato fields — are no longer a favorite stomping ground of out-of-state speculators, no longer a surefire way to get rich in real estate.
For people simply looking for a place to live, though, deals abound. The house that the Robertses finally bought — with three bedrooms, granite countertops and textured walls — had been listed at $315,000 before its owners fell into foreclosure and the bank took over. The Robertses paid $169,000. “We never thought we’d be able to have such a nice house,” says Jillian happily….
This, you might be asking, is the good news? Well, yes, it is, because a housing recovery isn’t just about bottoming out on price. What is more important for a healthy market is that there be a prevailing logic or reason — rooted in local neighborhoods, in local economies — for houses to cost what they do.
3X median income, right on the money. They must not have heard of overshoot.
“What is more important for a healthy market is that there be a prevailing logic or reason — rooted in local neighborhoods, in local economies — for houses to cost what they do. “
Yep.
The locals were PO’ed because out of state speculators drove up the cost of housing here. Most of the foreclosures are from said speculators. What’s happening now is that local people are buying up the speculators’ foreclosed houses. Happy ending.
Still I don’t agree with the family who bought a cheap house in an incomplete subdivision. They may be living next to a weed patch for years - not to mention having an HOA who can’t collect dues from said weed patch. They are going to get stuck paying extra for landscape maintenance and irrigation pump system maintenance.
I made sure I bought in a subdivision which was completely built out. Even so the HOA is stressed since foreclosed houses don’t contribute to the HOA dues.
Oh, gee, look, the markets are down today. I almost didn’t notice as I was watching Arlen Specter get raked over the coals over the healthcare reform bill.
Dow Fire Starts.
Stewart Thomson
Aug 11, 2009
Fund manager Paul Tudor is not human. He’s superhuman. He’s the greatest money manager in the history of the world, and in my opinion, nobody is even close to him. The man uses massive leverage, yet he’s never had a losing year since he started his fund 20 years ago. His biggest drawdown, ever, was only 13%. Massive performance combined with microscopic drawdowns is what defines the greatest fund managers.
Paul was quoted by Bloomberg yesterday in a rare public statement. He says the stock market advance since March is a “bear-market rally We are not inclined to aggressively chase the market here.”
I translate that statement as “We’re going to new lows, and the public should prepare for their financial deaths”. The Dow longs are in the banksters’ toaster. And one of their kids is just now making his way to the kitchen. Question: What happens when the kid presses the start button on the toaster? I hope none of you get to find out.
If we take out the lows on the Dow at 6500, I’ve got to wonder about Warren Buffett. His bizarre move to write a zillion OTC derivative put options on the Stock Market could be the end of him. My numbers could be off, but if the Dow fell to around 4000, I think Warren goes into the hole for about $50 billion. If he is wiped out or badly harmed financially, the public will lose all hope, and begin a complete liquidation of all their stock market holdings.
And that’s when the smart ones jump in.
“Sell when everyone else is buying and buy when everyone else is selling.”
“If he is wiped out or badly harmed financially, the public will lose all hope, and begin a complete liquidation of all their stock market holdings.”
With so much liquidity being added to the financial system, is this pessimistic scenario even remotely possible?
What kind of monetary policy announcement could the Fed possibly make at their meeting to move the stock market? “In order to help rebuild confidence, the Fed has decided to hold interest rates at zero percent forever.”
They have been pushing on a string for a very long time already.
Aug 11, 2009, 1:47 p.m. EST
US Stocks Fall Ahead Of Fed Statement Wed; Financials Lead Drop
By Peter A. McKay
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — U.S. stocks sank further in the doldrums Tuesday, led by the financial sector, as investors grew cautious ahead of the Federal Reserve’s policy announcement Wednesday.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average was down 104 points to 9234 in recent trading, hurt by declines in nearly all its components. Bank of America led the decliners with a 4.2% drop, followed by General Electric, down 3.4%, and JPMorgan, which slid 2.7%.
The Nasdaq Composite Index was down 1.3% at 1966. The S&P 500 index also fell 1.3%, to 994. All the broad index sectors traded lower, led by a 3.2% decline in financials. American International Group, which was boosted in recent days by unwinding of bearish bets, was down 13%. CIT Group fell 21% after delaying the filing of its quarterly report.
“I don’t think the market has run out of steam, though. I’d just say we’re on pause,” said Peter McCorry, a trader with Keefe, Bruyette & Woods in New York. “People want to see what’s in that Fed statement tomorrow.”
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Exactly.
I stand corrected regarding the nonevent of this FOMC meeting’s announcement…
Forbes dot com
Economy
Fed Faces Its Zimbabwe Moment
Joshua Zumbrun, 08.11.09, 05:45 PM EDT
Is the central bank confident enough about the recovery to take the economy off life support?
WASHINGTON — When stock markets plumbed new lows in March, the Federal Reserve responded with nearly every tool in its box. It announced it would create new money to buy $1.25 trillion in mortgages and $300 billion in government debt.
That purchase of government debt looked particularly ominous. Creating new money to buy government debt is the sort of strategy that’s known to destroy economies–just ask Zimbabwe, which suffered so much hyperinflation that it destroyed its currency. The Zimbabwe central bank printed bills in the denomination of 100 trillion Zimbabwean dollars, then found they had value only as a novelty item on eBay. Eventually, Zimbabwe was forced to abandon its currency altogether.
But the difference between the U.S. Federal Reserve and the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe (one would hope) is that the Federal Reserve will stop before it wrecks the dollar.
The first major test of the differences between Zimbabwe and the U.S. is rapidly approaching. An indication could come as soon as the Fed releases a policy statement Wednesday afternoon. The Fed is not expected to announce a major change of course (see “All Quiet On The FOMC Front”), but the present course calls for current programs to unwind.
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CIT shares drop on bankruptcy warning…
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Troubled lender CIT Group Inc said on Tuesday it has delayed filing its second-quarter report with regulators and said if it could not complete its debt tender or arrange other financing, it would file for bankruptcy.
CIT is still reviewing assets and businesses that it may sell as well as the related valuation adjustments that must be included in the quarterly report, it said in a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.
New York-based CIT, which last month secured $3 billion in emergency funding from bondholders, has been battling to restructure its debt and avoid bankruptcy.
The company has launched a tender offer for its outstanding $1 billion floating-rate notes due August 17. In a filing on Tuesday, it said if this offer were successful, it would use the proceeds from its emergency funding to complete the tender and make the payment on the August 17 notes.
The 101-year-old lender had already postponed its results, originally expected on July 23, while arranging the emergency funding. It said last month it expected a second-quarter loss of more than $1.5 billion.
Shares in the company slipped slightly to $1.46 in premarket trading, down from $1.48 on Monday.
Is CIT considered to be “systemically important”?
I was at a client Friday close to closing time. One of the girls in the office was very excited because she and her boy freind were going house shopping. They’re interested in a particular house but it needs some work. That’s OK because boyfriend is unemployed and “has plenty of time to work on the place”. The company she works for is very slow, and she’s pretty low on the totem pole. I would be scared to death to buy a house under these circumstances but then, I think, what do they have to lose? They use Uncle Sam’s $8K first time buyers credit to get in with little or no money of their own… Worst case, they live in the place a year or more rent free, then walk. What a country!
She and her boyfriend should read today’s Austin American Statesman agony aunt column: “His fixer-upper house is bringing girlfriend down.”
http://www.statesman.com/life/content/life/stories/other/2009/08/11/0811hax.html
Hi. Cash must be king. Got a flyer yesterday from American Express. They are offering a 1.85% APY FDIC insured savings account - no mininum balance, no fees. Did not know they were in that business.
On the way to work saw a Citibank ad in lobby of my office building. $100 for you and $100 for the person you refer for a new account. Four types accounts were listed. Did not read closely some were business. But one was CitiGold which I have. Not as golden as it sounds. I think the mininum balace is $5K and you need direct deposit for paycheck.
AMEX became a bank late last year in order to get TARP money.
Wholesale inventories fall for record 10th straight month but sales post second straight gain…Tuesday August 11, 2009, 10:28 am EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) — Businesses slashed inventories at the wholesale level for a record 10th consecutive month in June, a decline that has contributed to the longest recession since World War II.
The Commerce Department said Tuesday that wholesale inventories declined 1.7 percent in June, nearly double the 0.9 percent decrease economists had expected.
But in an encouraging sign, sales rose 0.4 percent for a second straight month, the first back-to-back increases in a year.
The hope is that a rebound in sales will encourage businesses to switch from reducing their stockpiles to building up inventories to meet rising demand. That change would generate rising orders to U.S. factories, helping to support a rebound in the overall economy.
The 1.7 percent drop in June inventories followed a 1.2 percent reduction in May and marked the 10th straight decline. That record stretch surpassed the old mark of nine straight declines from June 2001 to February 2002, during the last recession. The government’s records go back to 1992.
The latest inventory drop left the inventory to sales ratio at 1.26, meaning it would take 1.26 months to exhaust stockpiles at the June sales pace. That was slightly lower than the 1.28 ratio in May, but still well above the 1.11 inventory to sales ratio of a year ago.
Wholesale inventories are goods held by distributors who generally buy from manufacturers and sell to retailers. They make up about 25 percent of all business stockpiles. Factories hold another third of inventories and retailers hold the rest.
The 0.4 percent increases in sales in June and May were the first consecutive gains since sales rose for four straight months in March to June of last year. Starting in July, sales had fallen every month until rising in May.
Spun numbers, wishful thinking, the last vestiges of paper millionaire-dom, or evidence that thriftiness is alive and well in our nation’s youth?
In Study, Most Graduates’ Debt Load Is Manageable
By TAMAR LEWIN, New York Times
August 11, 2009
About a third of all students who earned bachelor’s degrees in 2007-8 graduated with no debt at all, about the same share as in the 2003-4 academic year, according to a policy brief released Tuesday by the College Board.
“People think students are drowning in debt, and there is a small proportion of students that borrow an exorbitant amount, but most students graduate with a manageable debt load,” said Sandy Baum, an author of the brief.
For bachelor’s degree recipients who did borrow, the median loan debt was $19,999, up 5 percent from $18,973 four years earlier. The data, the latest available, come from the federal Department of Education’s National Postsecondary Student Aid Study, which is conducted every four years.
About 6 percent of those who completed a degree or certificate — and 10 percent of those who received a bachelor’s degree — borrowed more than $40,000, the brief said.
What about those whose parents take out a HELOC to pay tuition? I’m guessing those numbers aren’t included in the study.
When I graduated many years ago, in the mid 90’s, literally every single student I knew (who wasn’t on a scholarship) was using some form of debt to pay their tuition. Heck, I have a almost a religious aversion to debt and I was on student loans with an 8% interest rate.
What about those whose parents take out a HELOC to pay tuition? I’m guessing those numbers aren’t included in the study.
Very good point.
Kind of similar to how they just announced that the Chevy Volt will get 230 mpg. Well yeah - if you don’t include the fuel used to generate the electricity to charge it at night it will.
That seems to be the new thing - make numbers look better by hiding a portion under some other classification, then just pretend that that other classification just doesn’t exist.
And with a price tag of $40k. You can buy a his and hers Prius for that.
Or one Chevy Volt.
That seems to be the new thing - make numbers look better by hiding a portion under some other classification, then just pretend that that other classification just doesn’t exist.
That’s the New Thing, you say?
It’s been going on as long as statistics have been kept.
Caveat emptor and all that stuff.
Charging at night actually might save some fuel at first. Currently a lot of hydroelectric dams use their extra nighttime capacity to pump water back up into the lake.
Of course, if 10’s of millions of people actually buy and use electric cars, that extra capacity whatever it is, would be used up and our needs will exceed existing total capacity.
We’ll have to build more lots more generators.. mostly running on natural gas. Forget about windmills and solar providing any sort of major contribution.
Hello environmentalists dreamers.. Welcome to the real world..
In the PNW excess hydro power is used to make aluminum.
There’s a reason Boeing was located in Seattle…..
It isn’t a new thing. Just different packaging.
Just like all of you helping us figure out #s for housing
buy or rent
with all the daily/monthly/yearly other financial obligations.
This car is just another trick in the book and you just
helped us think about ALL the costs.
Thank you!
What about those whose parents take out a HELOC to pay tuition? I’m guessing those numbers aren’t included in the study.
That’s that I meant by “the last vestiges of paper millionaire-dom” — I assume that falls under the umbrella of no debt for the student.
Whether the HELOCers are included or not, I’m still left to wonder how many students get full rides, work their way through school, or have college paid for by families who can actually afford it.
I found an REO I want to bid on. It is in the $600’s and I want to bid $300k cash. Do you think banks care if it is cash or a loan? I am sure the realturd will just laugh. I need to find out what bank has it, maybe I can go direct? I could not find it on Reality Trac, is there a better REO source?
Banks love cash. Give it a shot. And tell the realturd you want the signed rejection if they don’t take your offer.
You likely won’t be able to go direct but the Realtor will have no choice in giving the lender your offer…As far as cash vs. loan…It depends…If there is a large deposit and down payment with no contingencies in a competing offer the cash deal looses most of its leverage although it will have some…
CCD,
In most cases I’ve seen, if it’s listed through a realtor the bank will keep referring you back to that realtor to make the bid. I tried to go around them on a plex I wanted to lowball and they wouldn’t consider my direct offer.
And if the realtor will just laugh anyway, why not bid $200k?
Get written rejection from the bank that it was rejected, to make sure the realtor presented your offer.
Good ideas!
My hot tub repair-man picked up a $1.2 mini-mansion in Phoenix for $400k cash. But that is Phoenix, where humans cant survive outdoors in the summer.
I will let you know what happens.
“My hot-tub repairman picked up a…mini-mansion in Phoenix for $400k cash.”
He must repair a lot of hot tubs!
That is what I thought, then he told me that he built a house in 1999 and sold it in 2006, sitting on a lot of cash. Timing is everything. I think he is part owner of the hot tub co. Costco sent him from Phx to Santa Fe, NM to work on 10 tubs.
Good for him! To the smart guys go the spoils.
“My hot tub repair-man…where humans cant survive outdoors in the summer”
I’m drinking some chardonnay, trying to sort this out in my mind…must be a good paying “seasonal” job…
Hwy you need to move south, and southeast.
Year round baby!
“is there a better REO source?”
propertyshark dot com will have the current owner in most Cali counties.
If the cash doesn’t get the deal done it will certainly perk up the bank’s attention. Banks are setting prices based on showings. If you see any other cards on the kitchen counter the bank won’t be bringing the price down much because there is interest at that price.
One of our previous lowball receivers called and asked us to resubmit our lowball. (With a hint that bringing it up a little bit would help.)
We talked it over and decided that we still really did like the house, so we sent back our original offer. We felt we were being EXTREMELY generous with that move. If they do anything but accept, that’s the last time they’ll see an offer from us. (At least at that price.)
Isn’t calling yourself a “bubble buyer” sorta admitting you’re a knife catcher?
Yep. Gotta keep the wife kinda happy too. I’ve been reading/posting here and at Patrick’s since 2007, so I’d be jumping in with my eyes open.
Keep us posted. I love lowball stories. What percent off asking did you offer?
Almost 30% off original asking, probably 40% off peak.
I figure we’ll lose some on making this purchase now instead of waiting, but moving out of the incoming crime wave I posted about before plus getting some trust funds out of the market before it retanks will just about make it worth taking the hit.
These may be prophetic words that I will have to eat later.
Here’s hoping the offer is rejected!
“Here’s hoping the offer is rejected!”
Famous last words, believe me, I know.
My realtor (and landlady) never knows if I’m joking when I say things like that.
Naah, take a nominal amount, say 2% off the bid. Payment for dicking you around, and besides, might scare some sense into ‘em.
Bob Prechter “Quite Sure” Next Wave Down Will Be Bigger and March Lows Will Break.
Posted Aug 11, 2009 11:52am EDT by Aaron Task
In late February, Robert Prechter of Elliott Wave International said “cover your shorts,” and predicted a sharp rally that would take the S&P into the 1000 to 1100 range.
With that prediction having come to pass, Prechter is now saying investors should “step aside” from long positions, and speculators should “start looking at the short side.”
“The big question is whether the rally is over,” Prechter says, suggesting “countertrend moves can be tricky” to predict. But the veteran market watcher is “quite sure the next wave down is going to be larger than what we’ve already experienced,” and take major averages well below their March 2009 lows.
Yes, the late 2007-early 2009 market debacle was just a warm-up to what Prechter believes will be the bear market’s main attraction. In this regard, he says the current cycle will echo past post-bubble periods such as America in the 1930s and England in the 1720s, after the bursting of the South Sea bubble.
The 2000 market peak market a “major trend change” for the market from a very long-term cycle perspective, and the downside is going to continue to be painful well into the next decade, Prechter says. “The extreme overvaluation, the manic buying and bubbles in the late 1990s [and] mid-2000s are for the history books - they’re very large,” he says. “The bear market is going to have balance that out with some sort of significant retrenchment.”
“Next Wave Down Will Be Bigger and March Lows Will Break.”
You’d think so, wouldn’t you? But how do you factor in the rogue wave generated by the flood of liquidity the Fed has dumped into the financial system since last fall?
“Next Wave Down Will Be Bigger and March Lows Will Break.”
You’d think so, wouldn’t you? But how do you factor in the rogue wave generated by the flood of liquidity the Fed has dumped into the financial system since last fall?
+1
At one time I was also thinking that we’d break though 6k - a couple of years ago I made a prediction of 5k on the DJI. However due to all the new liquidity (e.g. see the Ginnie Mae etc. discussions, new money for Freddie, etc.) I’m thinking now that the March lows were it. I think we may have a leg back down in the fall, but there’s a good chance it won’t make it below 7k, and then it’s off to the races next year back up above 10k.
Adult entertainment industry faces demand shrinkage:
COMPANY TOWN
Tough times in the porn industry
Ann Johansson / For The LA Times
Adult entertainment actress Savannah Stern, whose income has dropped because of the rapid decline in job opportunities in the porn business, is replacing her Mercedes-Benz with a used car from her parents.
The business, centered in the San Fernando Valley, is being undercut by a growing abundance of free content on the Internet.
By Ben Fritz
August 10, 2009
On a recent Saturday night, Savannah Stern earned $300 to hang out for seven hours at a party in Santa Monica wearing nothing but a feather boa.
The veteran of more than 350 hard-core pornography productions took the job to earn extra cash and to network. But the word at the 35th anniversary party for Hustler magazine was not heartening, especially among the roughly 75 other women working there.
“At least five girls I haven’t seen in a while came up to me and said, ‘Savannah, are you working?’ ” said Stern, who started in the industry four years ago and, like most adult performers, uses a stage name. “I had to say, ‘No, not really,’ and they all said, ‘Yeah, I’m not either.’ ”
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So, are you saying that you think Samantha Stern is Olympiagal?
Is Samantha Savannah’s sister?
Damn, they should ax the gubmint for a ’stimulator’ package. Sent in a discrete brown paper unmarked package.
If I recall correctly, I believe Larry Flint and other industry leaders already suggested the adult entertainment industry needs stimulus (guffaw!)…
That is a sad story if I ever heard one! Plus she is NOT OLY GAL!
What’s worse, she lives far far away from Edwardsville
Prof B., that ain’t funny!!
Centerville is not that far from Edwardsville, is it?
Nope. Prof. B. Especially, if ya wanna go there.
I just googled Savannah Stern and judging from her picture I found, she can’t be our Olygal because Savannah Stern has very dark hair and Olygal is known not to have very dark hair. There, scientific evidence to prove Savannah Stern is not Olygal.
Meanwhile I need to go take a cold shower.
You had better clean your cache and cookies first, then shower.
Maybe that’s what she’s up to? Standing at a party with nothing on but a geoduck.
alph, If anybody could figure out how to wear a geo-duck, it is OLY GAL !!
I noticed the story said she had to get a used car from her parents and ditch her Benz. I wonder how that conversation went? “Hi mom and dad, can I have your used car since I can’t get any more job @&*# on the screen with 100 men?”.
Well… The poor thing needed a Mercedes, more protection. Another reason I feel sorry for her.
Keep’um drunk and kicking off early… less hassle.
Report: Alcohol Responsible for 50 Percent of Russian Deaths
Tuesday, August 11, 2009
Russia is grappling with a major public health crisis in which residents are essentially drinking and smoking themselves to death, according to the country’s public health officials.
About a million Russians die each year from alcohol- and smoking-related causes — between 600,000 and 700,000 of those deaths are attributed to drinking alone, Andrei Demin, of Russia’s Public Health Association, told Fox News.
“It’s threatening the future of the country,” he said.
The problem? Unlike other countries, Russia has refused to levy hefty taxes on cigarettes and alcohol to discourage drinking and smoking.
The resulting statistics are staggering:
— The average Russian drinks 50 bottles of vodka a year.
— A bottle of beer can be purchased on the street for less than the cost of a bottle of water.
— Twelve million of Russia’s 141 million residents have died over the past 15 years due to alcohol-and smoking-related causes.
— A pack of cigarettes can be purchased for about 30 cents.
— The average Russian male lives to be 60 years old, dying 15 years earlier than his American counterpart. Russian women die 13 years earlier than American women.
Although the country has launched a series of television commercials encouraging Russians to choose healthier lifestyles, many critics say this is of little benefit.
So far, Russian President Vladimir Putin has refused recommendations to raise taxes on cigarettes and alcohol, with some health critics saying the Kremlin would like the Russian public to stay “pacified and anesthetized.”
I believe Gorbachev tried levying a high tax on vodka. Maybe it was Yeltsin.
Not only did he really pi$$ his people off but he created a huge vodka black market. Tax revenues for the state immediately plummeted as people refused to buy the vodka that was taxed. The percentage of tax revenue, at that time, that was related to vodka was staggering.
A public health crisis kicked off as people began making their own vodka. Much of it was nothing more than poison. There were many deaths due to the vile brew that was being churned out. The taxation policy was quickly reversed. I think Putin is smart enough to recognize the “third rail” that is vodka taxation in Russia.
Yeltsin tax wodka? Ya dumayou chto ‘nyet’…
Voprosili li vui Gospoda?
Duke, can I conjecture where you served your mission? (We know a young man serving that purpose in Moscow right now…)
Thanks for the promotion to aristocracy, Mexico actually, but I longed to serve in Russia. Sadly the language has dropped to 4th in priority for me behind English, Spanish, and Italian.
I finished my mission in ‘88, and I don’t think Russia opened until 1990.
My spin on that is, except for the horrible death part, (but are not most deaths “horrible”?) I say, go for it. Life after 60 for most people isn’t that hot anyway. Sure, you got kids, grandkids, money, still working out, happy, etc…. But guess what? At 60 you are in entrophy.
I guess I don’t really mean what I said. I am mad Oly’s gone, that is all. Hell, 75 is still cool, when you think about it.
“In Russia, you don’t drink vodka, vodka drinks YOU!”
Isn’t it a little too convenient that OPEC, several months back, had called $70 per barrel oil a “fair price”, and the price of crude is, coincidentally, hovering right around that mark?
I’ll bet Goldman Sachs doesn’t think so.
Guess what, dummies? The credit bubble is not history yet. In fact, reflation efforts are in overdrive at the moment.
Try not to catch yourself a falling-knife REIT.
market pulse
Aug 11, 2009, 11:57 a.m. EST
REITs’ capital raises a good sign: analyst
BOSTON (MarketWatch) — Recent capital raises by real estate investment trusts Tander Factory Outlet Centers Inc. (SKT 35.55, -2.56, -6.72%) , Federal Realty Investment Trust (FRT 60.20, +0.08, +0.13%) and Simon Property Group Inc. (SPG 63.03, -1.47, -2.28%) “demonstrate that capital markets have improved for financially sound REITs and capital is available again on reasonable terms for REITs with sound balance sheets,” said Morningstar Inc. analyst Todd Lukasik. “We continue to believe that credit will be priced significantly higher than it was during the credit bubble for highly leveraged REITs, if it is available at all,” the analyst wrote in a research note Tuesday.
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I heard it is all just part of Obama’s plan. Just wait. This is pure genius at work.
got ‘em right where we want ‘em!
Nothing like a hairy potbellied no butt dude strolling around the resort…
Theme Park Cracks Down On Skin-Tight Trunks
UK, Tuesday August 11, 2009 Sky News Online
A surge in men wearing unsightly Speedos has prompted Alton Towers to revise its poolside dress code.
Not family friendly, says Alton Towers
The theme park is considering a ban on Speedos after hot weather at the weekend led to a surprise resurgence of the infamously graphic form of swimwear.
Bosses at the holiday attraction may also introduce mandatory male bikini waxes “to prevent unsightly hair from being on display”.
“With the heatwave over the weekend, we saw a big increase in men wearing tight Speedos,” PR manager Rachael Lockitt told Sky News Online.
“Plans are in place to introduce a ban, should this continue. We are a family resort and we don’t want children asking questions.”
She added that at present, men wearing Speedos would be asked to reconsider their choice of outfit.
But if the situation gets any worse a full ban will be brought in.
A statement released by Alton Towers read: “While women may hail the return of the skimpy bathers, the style itself is not deemed public or family friendly.
“Therefore we are requesting that male swimmers wear more appropriate styles such as boardshorts.”
It added that Speedos, favoured by the likes of Rod Stewart and footballer Cristiano Ronaldo, are “more suited to Spain than Staffordshire”.
“mandatory male bikini waxes”
I bet that’s in Obamie’s new health care bill, too. He’s gonna make us all metrosexual!
Doesn’t that want to make you puke.
Meanwhile you go to any caribbean resort and the brits are the skankiest and most ill behaved, next to germans..according to them.
Guess IN the UK they don’t want to see IT. But on holiday, anything goes.
The next meteor shower is the Perseids on August 12, 2009. The shower peaks early afternoon on the 12th, so the morning of the 12th (midnight to dawn) and late evening are the best times to watch from the U.S.
12:00 A.M Central, until 5:00 A.M. !! Be there or be square!!
Thanks for the reminder.
you’re welcome dude!
We’re there, ATE-UP. Nice uber steep hill by the cow pasture of the 100 acre farm should do the trick. Black skies devoid of light pollution. View goes on forever.
I once caught the Perseids w/my then 5 year old son on the causeway by the Hyannisport country club. It was an amazing show and he giggled with glee while Dad and sister slept on at home.
Good CarrieAnn! Enjoy the show. I have a story from where I lived in Florida, we were at Siesta Key Beach, Fl., circa 1998, drunk on our butts! The meteor shower was incredible! It was 3 A.M., and a kind police officer came up and said, “Hey you guys keep it down here, but go ahead and enjoy the show”. I will never forget it, because, it was a time when I was truly loud and wasted. I thanked him, and obliged.
Enjoy!!
anything change since then ate? LOL
Not Much desert !!! Xcept, new lights tunight!!
I see that a Madoff “associate” is now talking, offering a glimpse into the giant Ponzi scheme which likely involved hundreds of participants. I wouldn’t be surprised to find the SEC was involved, though it would likely be covered up. It’s finally blatantly apparent that crime pays big in this country, and the people who play by the rules are the suckers. Case in point: the bailouts for crooked wealthy bankers, addicted to bonuses, at the expense of the hard working taxpayer. Perhaps the correct play for J6P, from here on out, is to stiff the banks, the IRS, and all other corps, and just drop out.
He testified it’s been going on since the 80s.
To think, if it wasn’t for our little credit hiccup it would still be going on.
Feds force Westchester to build affordable housing
Mon, Aug 10, 2009
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Westchester County will build 750 units of affordable housing in mostly white areas to settle a federal fair housing lawsuit, according to a statement from the U.S. Department of Justice.
The U.S. Attorney’s office filed the suit claiming that Westchester received federal community development grants to build affordable housing, but it hasn’t “assured that the housing is fully available to all residents of the community.”
Having failed to identify impediments to fair housing based on race or ethnicity, the feds say the county took no corrective action. As a result, the county’s production and placement of affordable housing may have perpetuated or increased racial and ethnic segregation in the area, the statement said.
As part of the settlement, Westchester has agreed to use $30 million of its funds to build affordable housing and pay the U.S. an additional $30 million, much of which will later be made available to the county for more housing. The county will also have to submit to the oversight and enforcement authority of a court-appointed monitor.
The Anti-Discrimination Center of Metro New York, a fair-housing advocacy group, which filed the initial complaint against the county, will get $7.5 million as part of the False Claims Act settlement.
Acting United States Attorney Lev Dassin said local governments that accept Housing and Urban Development grants undertake “a serious commitment and responsibility to affirmatively further fair housing”.
“This groundbreaking agreement with Westchester County will ensure that hundreds of new units of housing are built to be not only affordable, but fully available throughout the community,” Dessin said in the statement.
“affordable housing”
For more than two decades I have asked, what in the hell is “affordable housing”? To no avail, just another gubmint bullshit feel good program.
affordable housing.
Well, here is one. 6 +yrs ago, the gov had money for affordable housing to be built. At the 11th hr, the wealthiest town here in the desert, Indian Wells finally couldn’t let the $1mill go to
Coachella down valley, but IW didn’t want affordable housing to blemish their cachet of being so Uber wealthy, they took the $ and built where my mom on ss income lives. Most of the senior folks have to comply with a seriously low income threshold to qualify for this compound.
Every time the SS goes up, it goes directly to IW for rent. Mom never sees a penny of the increase. So, although many of ‘us’ think of affordable housing as something out of evening news shots, it isn’t always what it seems.
Oh and IW, the wealthiest town next to or equal to Palm Beach, was super stingy on how the places were built and with poor quality. But they spent over $40 million + on their clubhouse which has to be redone for some reason.
Just saying.
Sergey Update: Goldman Motion To Quash Subpoena Denied
NEW YORK, Aug 10 (Reuters) - A U.S. judge on Monday denied a motion by Goldman Sachs Group Inc (GS.N) to quash a request for personnel information on a former computer programmer accused of stealing trade secrets from the firm.
Judge Paul Crotty in Manhattan federal court ordered the firm to provide the programmer’s lawyer with documents from the personnel file of Sergey Aleynikov, who faces criminal charges of stealing Goldman code used in trading.
The lawyer subpoenaed Goldman for the file last week and the firm submitted a motion to quash the request.
What happened to Oly?
llcarlos: Since you asked, and that is what we all want to know too, (I think), the only answer I have is no one knows. I cannot speak for other people. However, I surmise my previous to be true. I sure do miss Oly, though, like many others here.
Thanks for asking llcarlos.
The last time we heard from Oly, she was off to meet not a gator at her local dive bar.
I’m glad you mentioned that SFBAG. That has been worrying me, since is the first I remember that she disappeared from posting without mentioning that she was going back to visit family or something.
Female and single, slight of build. The last we heard from her, she was going to meet up with a stranger.
It is kind of creepy that that’s the last we heard of them. Not-a-gator, where are you? How divey was that dive bar?
I believe sleepless in seattle met her at the dive bar
Does anyone know how long not a gator was going to be traveling? He hasn’t posted since the day they were meeting, has he?
RECORD NUMBER OF FORECLOSURES SCHEDULED FOR SALE
California Foreclosure Prevention Act fails to slow filings
Discovery Bay, CA, August 11, 2009 –
ForeclosureRadar , the only
website that tracks every California foreclosure and provides daily auction updates, issued its monthly
California Foreclosure Report for July 2009. Once again, foreclosure stats were mixed, with Notice of
Default filings flat, Notice of Trustee Sale filings rising by 31.6 percent and foreclosure sales dropping
22.7 percent. The number of properties scheduled for foreclosure sale – new Notices of Trustee Sale
minus those sales that have cancelled or sold – rose to a record level of 124,874, nearly double the levels
reached during the foreclosure peak last year.
High-level findings for July 2009 include:
o Filings of new Notices of Default were little changed from June at 44,996 filings, a 1.5 percent
decrease. Year-over-year filings rose by 11.9 percent from July 2008.
o Notice of Trustee Sale filings bounced back after dropping in June to 39,294; a 31.6 percent
increase over the prior month, and a 0.7 percent increase over the prior year. The California
Foreclosure Prevention Act, which adds 90 days prior to the filing of the Notice of Trustee Sale
for lenders that do not have a comprehensive loan modification plan in place, had only a fleeting
impact last month; with Notice of Trustee Sale filings hitting their second highest level on record
in July, just two weeks after the law took affect.
o After increasing for 3 consecutive months, foreclosure auction sales dropped by 22.7 percent to a
total of 17,239, with a combined loan value of $8.08 Billion dollars. Year-over-year sales
dropped a substantial 40.1 percent, with July 2008 having the highest level of foreclosure sales
on record at 28,795. Opening bids set by lenders were an average of 39.1 percent lower than the
loan balance, with 45.0 percent of sales discounted by 50.0 percent or more.
o Sales to third party bidders were flat from June, with 2,683 foreclosures sold to investors, or in
increasingly rare instances, junior lenders. As a percentage of total sales, sales to third parties
continued to increase; though lenders still took back 84.4 percent of foreclosures at auction,
representing 14,555 loans, with a total of $6.93 Billion dollars in loan value.
o Foreclosures scheduled for sale rose to 124,874, a 10.4 percent increase from the prior month,
and a 93.3 percent increase year-over-year from July 2008. The year-over-year increase is
significant given that foreclosure sales in July 2008 set a record that has not again been reached.
The increase appears to be primarily due to the fact that lenders are willingly postponing
foreclosure sales.
o The new “Home Affordable” loan modification plans now include a 3-month trial. It is our
understanding that foreclosures are not cancelled until the completion of this trial period. As
such, we believe monitoring the cancellation of scheduled foreclosures should provide some
insight into the effectiveness of this program, as successful trials should result in cancelled
foreclosures. We had a record number of cancellations in July at 10,789, a 24.8 percent increase
over the prior month and an 86.3 percent increase year-over-year. It should be noted, however,
that as a percentage of the foreclosures actively scheduled for sale, there was little change from
prior months. It appears that the significant increase is primarily due to the high number of
foreclosures that are scheduled for sale, but postponing rather than selling.
“Despite the failure of the California Foreclosure Prevention Act to slow Notice of Trustee Sale
filings it is clear that lenders and servicers are delaying foreclosure” says Sean O’Toole, founder and
CEO of ForeclosureRadar. “More homeowners are now sitting at the brink of foreclosure, just days
away from the next scheduled auction date, then ever before, yet we simply aren’t seeing the wave of
foreclosures many predicted.”
Political pressure, financial incentives and the postponement of sales awaiting the completion of loan
modification trial periods are likely reasons for the delays. The vast majority of foreclosures, 72 percent,
are postponing either due to lenders request, or mutual agreement between the lender and borrower.
Only 10 percent are being postponed due to bankruptcy. With few exceptions the remainder have not yet
been postponed and are scheduled for their first sale date.
The average California foreclosure has a total loan balance of $425,134 on a home that is now worth
$236,739. While negative equity is a prerequisite for the vast majority of foreclosures in California, the
degree of negative equity varies a great deal by location. Foreclosures in Santa Cruz County had loan
balances just 110 percent of the current estimated value, while Foreclosures in Merced County had loan
balances an average 283 percent higher than the estimated value. The Bay Area counties of Santa Cruz,
San Francisco, Marin, San Mateo were among the least underwater. Inland counties including Merced,
San Joaquin, Stanislaus, Solono, Sacramento, San Bernardino, and Riverside were among the most
underwater.
I’m dizzy now.
That post gave me a head
ache.
“From FT.com:McDonald’s expansion into fancy coffees under the McCafé brand is part of a strategy to capture more customers at breakfast time and win them over from coffee chains to its lower-priced drinks.
The move has forced Starbucks to defend its brand. It has been running marketing campaigns with the slogan: “It’s not just coffee. It’s Starbucks.”
In the US, McDonald’s is selling espressos and mochas in its existing stores.
In Europe, it is emulating its Australian business and opening separate McCafé counters, operating in or next to its restaurants. The group plans to have 1,200 McCafés in Europe by the end of the year.”
I guess that when dollars count, cheaper always wins out. If that is the case, then why all the allure to things like overpaying for a gucci purse, BMW, Rolex, etc? Just because you get a windfall in money (HELOC, etc) why waste it?
Have you been in a new McDonalds lately?
It IS the new Starbucks.
“Daniel Wagner: MyWayNews:
Owners of shopping malls, hotels and offices have been defaulting on their loans at an alarming rate, and the commercial real estate market isn’t expected to hit bottom for three more years, industry experts have warned. Delinquency rates on commercial loans have doubled in the past year to 7 percent as more companies downsize and retailers close their doors, according to the Federal Reserve.”
Why haven’t we heard this on the alphabet MSM channels? Why is the media so remiss in doing their duty as a watchdog for the American public? I guess when you have big companies like GE who have moved from the commodity side to the service side, to include banking and MSM outlets, it’s to be expected! Where are the outcries?
No outcries because they’re being told it’s all getting better. Why get upset when the good times are just months away from rolling?
OTOH, life is much more unpleasant if you don’t like koolaid.
Do Congress folks really hang out under rocks?
* The Wall Street Journal
* REAL ESTATE
* AUGUST 11, 2009, 4:23 P.M. ET
Home Builders Group Struggles to Lower Costs
By JAMES R. HAGERTY
…
The need to slash costs results from a steep drop in fees from members. The number of member companies has fallen to about 190,000 from a peak of 256,000 in May 2007, Mr. Howard said. Although Mr. Howard said “we are starting to see a bottom in the housing market,” he added that home builders remain under severe pressure. “We’re not in a recovery mode yet,” he said, and the group’s membership may fall further.
As a result, he said, “we’re looking under every rock” for cost savings and new sources of revenue.
In its lobbying, the association is asking Congress to extend and expand a tax break for home buyers, enhance tax benefits for builders and encourage more bank lending to builders, among other things.
“the association is asking Congress to extend and expand a tax break for home buyers, enhance tax benefits for builders and encourage more bank lending to builders, among other things.”
If you can’t build them without incentives then don’t build them, someone who can will! If you can’t buy them without incentives you need to rent, save money, and then buy!
http://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/structured-investment-vehicle.asp
Hoz - Dumb bet, pay up!
R.I.P.
Best,
Leigh
His gamble that interest rates would rocket up by now was also a losing bet (one I am happy to say that I ignored).
Hoz was very bright, but he underestimated the potential scope of market interventions to overcome rational expectation formation.
Where is HOZ I miss him along with ex-nnvmtgbrkr?
ex-nnvmtgbrkr posted recently.. less than a week or maybe two ago? Not as prolific as before. Probably too busy making lots of money.
Leighsong,
Have you heard from our favorite Hoz?
I miss the exchange between him and FPSS.
Just because we loathe Obama doesn’t mean we love Republicans:
To The RNC: WAKE UP
I just received one of the famous “fundraising calls” from the RNC.
They were soliciting people to give them money (and tried for slightly over $3k!) to “stop Obama’s Health Care plan that will cost $1 trillion.”
Oh boy did that poor sap get an earful.
I “explained” that:
•$1 trillion is a lot of money. $12 trillion is a lot more, and that’s how much the RNC has allowed to be pissed away backstopping and rewarding people who have stolen from the American people through bailouts and handouts, all of which have gone to the very people doing the stealing!
•John McCain, to whom I gave a significant campaign donation, returned my favor by suspending his campaign to push through the EESA/TARP, a bill that by 300:1 margins the American People opposed.
•If the Republicans are the party of the people why is it that they are allowing these bankers to steal over $30 billion dollars by re-ordering transactions to generate the MAXIMUM in overdraft fees? That’s FRAUD and yet it was under a REPUBLICAN administration that this happened.
•The Republicans have for years presented themselves as “conservatives” and the party of “family values.” Why is it that “conservative” doesn’t include calling for EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE SCAMMERS TO BE THROWN IN PRISON and WHY IS IT THAT I KEEP HEARING ABOUT SOME FLOOZY SCANDAL FROM THESE SO-CALLED “FAMILY VALUES” CHAMPIONS?
•The ONLY difference between the RNC and DNC is that the DNC tells me up front that the Democrats intend to gang-rape me at the outset. The Republicans claim to intend to protect me, but then after I lower my guard I am violated from behind without warning. This is unacceptable but if I am forced to choose between being warned first and being lied to I’ll take the warning thank you very little.
(From K. Denninger)
Sounds like there are something like 25 systemically important megafirms which need to be broken up into smaller pieces in order to protect Main Street American wallets from future bank robberies by Wall Street insiders.
Bernanke Says About 25 Financial Firms Systemically Important
By Scott Lanman
July 24 (Bloomberg) — Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said about 25 financial companies may be deemed too big to fail and subjected to additional oversight by the central bank under the Obama administration’s proposed regulatory plan.
Twenty-five is a “very rough guess,” and “virtually all of those firms” are already subject to umbrella supervision by the central bank, Bernanke said in response to a question from Representative John Campbell, a California Republican, during a House Financial Services Committee hearing today. He didn’t identify any of the companies.
…
Let me see if I can help out the reporter:
1. J P Morgan
2. Goldman Sachs
3. Citigroup
4. Wells Fargo
5. Bank of America
6. AIG
7. GMAC
8. Countrywide
9. Fannie Mae
10. Freddie Mac
11. Lehman Brothers
12. Bear Stearns
13. Washington Mutual
14. GM
15. IndyMac
…
totally o/t
He might want a bikini wax too:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/18/20090805/tod-saudi-businessman-orders-solid-gold-7f81b96.html
At least this expensive stimulus package has a better chance of working.
Sadly.
INTERVIEW
Taxpayers to Fed: Show Us the Money
An analyst says the central bank is too secretive.
By Anne Kates Smith, Senior Associate Editor
From Kiplinger’s Personal Finance magazine, September 2009
A bill that would give government auditors more access to the Fed’s books is gaining momentum in Congress. Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, in Washington, D.C., supports the idea.
You’ve been an outspoken advocate of auditing the Fed. How come?
Think about all the concern over the $800 billion spent through the Treasury’s Troubled Asset Relief Program. Yet the Fed has more than doubled its balance sheet to nearly $2 trillion. You can see on the Fed’s Web site how much has gone to each of its lending facilities. But you don’t know how much Citibank might have borrowed, or Goldman Sachs.
I don’t understand all the secrecy. It’s the public’s money, not Ben Bernanke’s. I don’t assume the Fed has done anything improper — but it’s a huge amount of money and there’s no accountability.
What do you want to see in an audit?
My main focus is what happened to that money in the bailout. Who got what, and under what conditions? What was the collateral? There’s concern that the Fed relaxed standards for money it lent during the financial crisis. Are there banks that didn’t pay it back? Banks behind in the payback schedule?
I don’t want the Fed audited gratuitously, just an accounting at regular periods. If once a year is too onerous, then maybe once every two years.
Won’t greater scrutiny discourage some companies from participating in relief programs or seeking needed emergency funds?
I’m willing to live with companies facing greater scrutiny. If they need a lifeline and don’t take it, they’ll have to explain why to their shareholders.
Is an expanded audit a threat to the Fed’s political independence?
I have a hard time seeing how an audit would interfere with setting monetary policy. That is an area where the Fed is more open and transparent than it used to be anyway. And the Fed has independence in the sense that Bernanke and the other governors can’t get fired easily. But they should have to explain their actions to Congress.
Over the past decade — and probably further back — the problem hasn’t been that the Fed has been too influenced by Congress. The problem has been that it isn’t sufficiently independent of Wall Street. An audit will shed more light on the relationships between the Fed and the banks it’s doing business with.
The Christian Science Monitor
Opinion
End the Fed? A not-so-crazy idea.
Congressman Ron Paul’s bill may never pass, but history suggests the US economy would be better off without the Federal Reserve.
By George Selgin
from the August 3, 2009 edition
Athens, Ga. - Since it was introduced in February, Representative Ron Paul’s “Audit the Fed” bill (H.R. 1207) has gained 282 congressional cosponsors. If adopted, the bill would allow the Government Accountability Office to review, not only the Federal Reserve’s balance sheet, but its recent monetary policy deliberations and transactions.
Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke opposes the plan, saying it would undermine the Fed’s hallowed independence.
But Mr. Paul, a noted libertarian who ran for president last year, also wants to keep the Fed out of Congress’s clutches – by scrapping it altogether. That’s the goal of his follow-up Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act (H.R. 833). Although that measure has yet to gain a single cosponsor, it has plenty of grass-roots support, and Paul hopes that members of Congress will jump on the bandwagon once their eyes are opened by a no-holds-barred audit.
Wacky stuff? Well, if not having a ghost of a chance is enough to make a bill bonkers, Paul’s measure probably qualifies. But that doesn’t mean you’ve got to be crazy to believe that the US economy would be better off without the Fed.
The Fed’s apologists suggest otherwise, of course. They note that the US spent nearly half the years between 1854 to 1913 in recession, as opposed to just 21 percent of the time since the Fed’s establishment in 1913. Who would want to go back to those bad old days?
But consider: the US economy has actually grown less rapidly since 1914 than it did before. And inflation has been much worse, despite both the Civil War, which featured the nation’s worst inflation, and the Great Depression, which featured its severest deflation!
…
Jon Stewart’s Daily Show certainly is one of the best things to ever happen to America. After watching him take down one of the Obamanomics Team members using comments peppered with terms like “too-big-to-fail”, “trust busting” and “pitchforks”, I can’t really tell whether he is channeling us or we are merely channeling the Zeitgeist. Either way, this interview is not to be missed!
You can find the entire interview here:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/