August 24, 2009

Bits Bucket For August 24, 2009

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Comment by pressboardbox
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 07:32:10

“Friends of Goldman” program coming to light here?

 
Comment by waiting_in_la
2009-08-24 14:30:40

how is this not some form of insider trading?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-24 15:51:34

Worst excuse I’ve heard thus far from a GS apologist-
“The average investor would find this extra info burdensome.”
Yeah, plus the annoyance of paying taxes on all that extra money they’d make.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-24 17:07:08

Too funny.

Never forget, the stock market is gamed. Doesn’t mean you can’t make money. You just have to know where the sharks are at all times.

 
 
Comment by arizonadude
2009-08-24 07:10:57

It looks like a lot of people are drinking serious kool aid in the stock market again today.Twill learn here shortly I believe.

Comment by Rancher
2009-08-24 07:23:50

Dollar down, bonds are down…the markets next.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 07:35:44

My take:

– Dollar and bond moves are positively correlated these days (makes sense, as bonds are nothing more than a promised series of future dollar payments)

– The stock market moves show negative correlation with dollar moves (a lower dollar translates into higher demand for US exports, and a higher dollar value of repatriated profits from overseas multinational operations).

Why do you think the stock market will necessarily fall, subsequent to dollar and bond declines?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 07:37:13

P.S. I would be more inclined to agree with you if higher interest rates explained the decline in bonds. If interest rates go up, expect the dollar to strengthen while bonds and stocks go down the tubes in lockstep (see 1987 for a case in point).

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Comment by scdave
2009-08-24 08:24:49

I mentioned before that I do not own any stock and never have…Just seems to me that its a game controlled by the people with the biggest stack of chips…With that said, I sure wish I would have jumped in when a money manager friend of mine called me and asked me to buy B of A at the bottom..Why I didn’t throw $25k at that trade is beyond me…Dammit…:(

 
Comment by lavi d
2009-08-24 09:42:33

Why I didn’t throw $25k at that trade is beyond me…Dammit…:(

I was talking to a guy who’s a tile setter. He pointed out Citi’s price on a TV screen we happened to pass, $4.20, and told me he had 10,000 shares he picked up at $.90 and he was going to sell at $4.40.

Wow.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-24 10:09:57

good for him!

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-08-24 11:04:19

Did he tell you about all of his losses in the past or just that one victory?

I went to Vegas a few years ago and played $3 blackjack for about an hour. I won over $300. I didn’t mention to anybody the $1,200 I had lost earlier in the day betting on football. Those damn Vikings.

 
Comment by scdave
2009-08-24 12:09:37

Those damn Vikings ??

Hell..Not to worry…Just double down..You have Brett now..:)

 
Comment by lavi d
2009-08-24 13:15:44

Did he tell you about all of his losses in the past or just that one victory?

Good point. Forgot to ask. He mentioned making about $500 off AIG.

In almost five years, I’d say I was even with betting overall, though I’m not much of a gambler. If I can drink for free, I’m happy.

 
 
Comment by Rancher
2009-08-24 07:59:51

Who’s going to by the bonds? Where is the money going to come from? The gov cannot
afford to let the bond market collapse nor the
dollar decline much further. If the market
goes down, those with money will seek a safe
haven in Treasuries…ergo, saving the bond
market.

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Comment by Professor Bear
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 08:52:55

Suppose we conjecture that the Fed has the power to crash the stock market (just a hypothetical, not claiming this is possibly the case). Then it seems like they have numerous channels to ‘contain’ long-term T-bond yields:

1) Underbidding others at T-bond auctions;
2) Buying bonds from dealers at above-market prices (which would translate into below-market yields);
3) Using a stock market crash to precipitate a flight to quality into bonds and stocks.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 09:04:00

“Underbidding”

Clarification: I mean underbidding the yields others offer. (Lower yields = higher prices)

 
Comment by Rancher
2009-08-24 09:07:05

3) Using a stock market crash to precipitate a flight to quality into bonds and stocks.

This is what I see happening. There is not one
single fundamental holding up the market.
I call it the “Cotton Candy Puff Piece”.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 09:18:44

“…not one single fundamental holding up the market…”

Why does this even matter?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 11:48:14

Rancher,

I am curious whether you consider interest rates to be a ‘fundamental’, regardless of whether they are controlled by the Fed? The evidence I can see suggests that (1) the Fed is exerting an extraordinary degree of downward influence over interest rates over the full duration spectrum of the T-bond yield curve; (2) they plan to continue this policy for the foreseeable future.

Whether or not you classify interest rates as a fundamental factor, low rates tend to support both bond and stock prices (so long as the companies in question keep breathing).

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 11:49:14

Question for those who know more than I about such matters:

Is there any fundamental reason the Fed cannot suppress interest rates indefinitely?

 
Comment by Rancher
2009-08-24 11:49:18

In today’s world, I guess it doesn’t.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 13:00:43

“In today’s world, I guess it doesn’t.”

Read quotes from Kevin Phillipps’ Bad Money book I posted towards the end of yesterday’s bits bucket for some reasons why.

 
Comment by Will
2009-08-24 14:11:42

“Is there any fundamental reason the Fed cannot suppress interest rates indefinitely?”

hmmm. Try this.

Yes, there is. Trying to hold interest rates down too long increases inflation and the real rate goes sharply negative. Eventually, hyperinflation makes money worthless and the Fed can no longer even use quantitive easing effectively.

Keep in mind that the interest rate (the price at which future goods trade for present goods) is only one of the prices the Fed influences when it prints money (expands its balance sheet). Real asset prices rise as the value of money falls. Initially, higher real asset prices will encourage production of more goods, but transactions costs rise exponetially so eventually the Fed becomes the problem rather than a solution.

 
Comment by measton
2009-08-24 14:24:50

Using a stock market crash to precipitate a flight to quality into bonds and stocks.

Hasn’t the MSM been noting that banks are taking their free cash and putting it in treasuries ie not lending.

Step 1 - Pump up market and stock price so large banks can complete secondary offerings and get more private credit. Complete

Step 2 - Funnel Gov cash to banks, and don’t force them to lend it. Thus they will push money into treasuries which will drop rates allowing more people to refinance. Allows banks to offload some risk. Complete

Step 3 - To keep rates low and funnel more money to the banks (who now own a lot of treasuries) crash the stock market. Pending

If the American people ever allow banks to issue their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation the banks and [bank owned] corporations which will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property, until their children wake homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. Jefferson

Given that GS and a few other large players run the FED isn’t this a reality

 
Comment by exeter
2009-08-24 14:59:36

Measton, Correction: JPMChase IS the fed.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 17:25:28

“Jefferson”

not

(Somebody tell Adam Michaelson, who used this supposedly-Jeffersonian quote in his book, The Foreclosure of America.)

 
 
 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-24 11:32:17

TEE HEE ! “serious kool aid” What’s that got in it? Let me guess??

 
 
Comment by cougar91
2009-08-24 07:14:05

Hey Prime,

Saw your post about my CD yesterday (btw I am a dude). Here is all the banks where I have my CDs and what has happened to them since last year:

IndyMac - Taken over by FDIC, CD rate honored at 5.25%.
WaMu - Taken over by JPM, CD rate honored at 5%.
National City - Taken over by PNC, CD rate honored at 5%.
Corus - On death’s door, but CD expires in Oct so even if CD rate of 5% not honored, no big deal.
KeyBank - Doing OK on 3-yr CD at 5%.
Capital One - Doing OK on 3-yr CD at 5%.
Alliant CU - Had some problem with CD withdrawl, but OK now. One more 2-yr CD left at 5%.
Mountain America CU - doing OK on 5-yr CD at 5%.
Park Ave. Bank of NYC - Doing OK on 2-yr CD at 5.15%.

I structured all the CDs to just under the FDIC limits so that with interest accumulating they would not go over the FDIC limit. I also tried to ladder the CDs from 1-5 years with average maturity between 2-3 years because I knew that 5% CDs would be hard to get in 2009-2010, but after that inflation may kick in and I wanted to prepare for that.

Comment by packman
2009-08-24 07:20:05

Question - do you open these directly with those banks? Or use a secondary source - e.g. single IRA/etc. account?

Comment by cougar91
2009-08-24 07:28:46

Packman, I opened all of them directly, I did not use any other account or CD brokers because I did not know what FDIC protection exits for CD brokers. As so happens that turns out to be true with recent bank closings, some brokered deposits were left hanging.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-08-24 08:28:32

I wish I was smart enough to tie up CD’s at those rates at the
time. You sure had a lot of faith that they would honor the rate,
or honor FDIC . In fact ,I remember you saying you were going to do it and I thought you were nuts at the time . Good move . I
thought they would have to raise rates sooner than they have .

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Comment by cougar91
2009-08-24 09:04:59

My believe at the time was that the Treasury would have to run out of ink on the dollar printing presses BEFORE they stop supporting FDIC/banks. I had quite a heated discussion with Aladinsane at the time, who urged me to buy only physical gold and stashed in some countries outside of the US, in some underground safe/bunker. Not sure how that is working out for him but good luck to him on that. Gold could be proven to a great asset down the road, but not in the next 1-2 years in my estimate because there is just too much slack still in the economy, despite all the green shoots.

 
Comment by packman
2009-08-24 10:26:41

I had quite a heated discussion with Aladinsane at the time, who urged me to buy only physical gold and stashed in some countries outside of the US, in some underground safe/bunker. Not sure how that is working out for him but good luck to him on that. Gold could be proven to a great asset down the road, but not in the next 1-2 years in my estimate because there is just too much slack still in the economy, despite all the green shoots.

FWIW - many people’s ownership of gold isn’t driven so much by economic concerns as by geopolitical concerns. This is especially true of aladinsane, whose family history very much justified such a view (at least according to him).

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 13:03:13

“You sure had a lot of faith that they would honor the rate,
or honor FDIC .”

I had the same experience with a CD in a failed S&L during the 1980s — the FSLIC made good on principle + interest.

Not sure if this was pure luck, or actually codified in their (and the FDIC’s) rules?

 
Comment by Chip
2009-08-24 14:06:01

Aladinsane is living outside the US now (he likes kiwis for breakfast, IIRC) - probably a great chance that that is where his gold is stashed. A different gamble than for those of us who haven’t moved abroad.

 
 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-24 08:31:38

What’s interesting is that the FDIC has honored the interest rates going forward. IIUC they have the discretion to lower the rates after taking over a bank, but have so far chosen not to do so.

I picked up a WAMU 5% CD myself but it comes due later this fall. My Banner Bank %5 CD comes due in September. I’m really not sure what the heck to do. In 2008 I didn’t think the Fed would keep interest rates so low going forward and was happy to get the max. returns on 13 month CDs.

Bond funds like BND? An even bigger gamble if the Fed does increase interest rates substantially.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-08-24 08:38:22

What’s interesting is that the FDIC has honored the interest rates going forward.

Honoring contracts that were entered into by what can only be considered criminal enterprises seems pretty criminal to me. All of those rates should have been thrown out as it was clear the banks would never be able to honor them.

 
Comment by cougar91
2009-08-24 09:00:21

>What’s interesting is that the FDIC has honored the interest rates going forward. IIUC they have the discretion to lower the rates after taking over a bank, but have so far chosen not to do so.

Most of the time a buyer is found for a failed bank, and the buyer has the right to terminate the rate if it so choose. But I am thinking even the buyers bank do no want to alienate customers and have a rush of withdraw requests flood in if they drop the rate. You have the option of taking your money out of the CD without any penalty if they decide not to honor the rate.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-08-24 09:59:12

Here’s something to look into if you have money in a credit union CD that’s paying an attractive rate. Our credit union allows unlimited additions to the CD at any time up until its maturity and they will pay the original interest rate on the entire balance. We have a 5% CD that doesn’t mature until 2012, so guess where all our maturing CD money has been going.

After 2012, however…

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Comment by Chip
2009-08-24 16:20:47

Bill - that is very useful to know. Thanks.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-24 10:31:08

cougar, thanks for the summary of your results to date; I had been curious how that was working out for you. And I really had wanted to highlight your strategy that was 180-degrees the opposite of the poster who was looking for a safer bank to move CDs into. Seems like it has been a great bet thus far.

I remember when you first described it; I decided it was not for me, even though I figured you were correct in your assessment of the risk (e.g. the feds cannot afford to let FDIC fail, and they will bail it out with no limits). For me, it was more a liquidity issue that steered me away from your approach. The difference between 0%, 2% and 5% seemed pretty small, and I wanted my funds available during the downturn in order to have the option of making other investments should something attractive come along.

Of course, with the way this rally has been eating my lunch due to it having far more legs than I expected, I might have been far better off adopting your strategy! :-)

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 14:28:46

Hey you five-percenters, have I got a deal for you.

Try Genworth Financial bonds (BBB) of June 2014 yielding more than 12%. This outfit was spun off from GE. Various prognosticators expect the company to make (a small amount of) money for equity-holders this year, and somewhat more next year. Plenty of these bonds are available in the Merrill Lynch inventory just now. (I don’t think they’re exchange-traded.)

OK, OK, this is az_lender, who was holding Republic of Iceland bonds last year…however, the Iceland thing is not representative of my overall track record in lending.

Comment by Chip
2009-08-24 17:16:18

AZ - thanks for the tip and for your honest disclosure. I remember when Icelandic bonds were touted here by one or two presumably busted posters, very near the beginning of Ben’s blog.

I am looking for alternatives to cash, since my dream of buying a house seems to fade beyond the horizon relative to the good-deal of renting. Will check it out.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-24 17:14:28

Thanks cougar91. Good info.

 
 
Comment by Skip
2009-08-24 07:25:39

Latest in Stimulus: ‘Cash for Refrigerators’
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20090824/bs_bw/aug2009db20090821304909

I think I am going to hold out until the “Cash for Jack Daniels” program.

Comment by REhobbyist
2009-08-24 07:48:47

Yay. People make fun of my 16-year-old fridge with the broken handle. Time to get a new one.

Comment by DennisN
2009-08-24 09:37:12

Heck 16 years old is new for a refer. Get a new handle at places like repairclinic dot com and be done with it.

Comment by wolfgirl
2009-08-24 10:40:06

Reefer Madness!!!

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 12:01:09

Hahaha, wolfgirl!
I enjoyed that movie verrrry much. I got it on Netflix and then I found a little old teevee in my garage and detached the DVD player and laboriously set it all up outside on my deck and watched it out there. And what was the point of this labor? Why, because there’s no smoking inside my house and, just that once, I wanted to inhale as I watched… ;)

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 12:03:25

…oh, yeah, and then after I watched ‘Reefer Madness’ I went totally ape-po0p crazy and ran around the nabe knifing old folks and eating babies and doing other rude and unseemly stuff like that. :roll:

 
Comment by wolfgirl
2009-08-24 13:49:58

First time I saw it was in 1972. It is a classic.

 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-08-24 10:44:48

The new compressors last a max of 10 years, we were warned at the appliance store a while ago. Refrigerators were lasting too long for the manufacturers revenue enhancement program. Chindia made these days, too.

Thanks for the parts lead, DennisN.

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Comment by skroodle
2009-08-24 10:49:44

I think the move towards lower energy consumption has caused the decline in refrigerator life.

I wonder if it takes more energy to build a new refrigerator than the energy a less efficient refrigerator wasted over a 20 year life span?

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-08-24 11:49:37

skroodle-
Good point, on the lower energy consumption design of the compressor.
.

 
Comment by Chip
2009-08-24 17:36:06

Skroodle - there still are working refrigerators, if you can find them and the gas for them, from the 1950s. Not frost-free, of course, but built like tanks and with a sideways-opening handle/latch that is akin to a vault door in feel. Good memories. We tried to freeze vodka in them, believing the story that the alcohol would separate from the water. Great beer fridges. IMO, some of the best of Americana. Probably still available in large numbers from, and on display on the front porches of, houses in West Virginia.

 
 
 
 
Comment by packman
2009-08-24 07:52:52

Wow. Is it me or do these programs smack of desperation?

“Please consumer - spend, Spend, SPEENNNNNNDDDD!”

Comment by exeter
2009-08-24 09:26:16

BINGO packman.

Keep pushin’ on a rope you low life POS masters.

 
Comment by wolfgirl
2009-08-24 10:36:57

Sounds like despiration to me

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 14:24:05

I wish there were “cash for old clothes” program
or
“cash for closets”
or “cash for curtains” love to ditch these horrible verticle blinds.

“cash for clutter”

“Cash for used cute shoes”
“cash for curlers/curling irons”
“cash for old christmas ornaments”

stoppppppppp meeeeee

Comment by ahansen
2009-08-24 22:28:48

Tee hee, desert. There’s a great stand-up comedy sketch in here somewhere….

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Comment by michael
2009-08-24 08:00:31

they should just put them all into one program and call it “cash for stupidity”.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 10:28:23

“cash for stupidity”.

Oh, if only there was such a program… I’d rush out and capture half of my neighbors, a good many of my dear and beloved friends, a couple of sisters, about 37 cousins, and every single person who voted for Will Stakelin for port commissioner here in Thurston co.
I’d be SO freakin’ rich! (As long as I didn’t get captured and traded in myself. :lol: )

Comment by wolfgirl
2009-08-24 10:38:48

The country can’t afford cash for stupidity. There are just too many stupid people.

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Comment by Chip
2009-08-24 17:38:09

True, and comprehensive.

 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-24 11:35:29

Oh Oly!, don’t you know everyone loves you here both anyway, and alright already? (sigh)

(”shakes pre-dementia normal, average head, both side-ways and up and down”). :)

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 14:07:53

Thanks, ATE. :)

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-24 15:23:00

:)

 
 
 
 
Comment by lavi d
2009-08-24 08:03:06

Latest in Stimulus: ‘Cash for Refrigerators’

Nevada Energy has been doing this for some time.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2009-08-24 09:26:40

I make a point of renting units that contain refrigerators. Another bailout that excludes the renter. I’m beginning to wish I needed a new car during the C4C program.

Comment by packman
2009-08-24 10:30:32

I’m beginning to wish I needed a new car during the C4C program.

I very much wish so. As it happens - I traded in my clunker about 15 months too early. I would have gotten an extra $3k at least if I’d have waited, if I’d have known that was coming.

Just another example of the federal government screwing certain segments of the population by its random policies.

 
 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-08-24 11:12:01

I’ve heard all these new stainless steel appliances are made in China and are failing like crazy? My parents retired to Florida and their fridge gave out right after it’s warranty expired, which might have been 2 years. Go figure. GE I think.

I borrowed friends Kill-a-watt to measure my POS that’s in my apartment. Expecting it to be robbing me cold, it turns out it doesn’t cost much at all to run. Maybe 10 cents every day and a half or so.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-08-24 12:01:01

Thanks for the confirmation about the quality of the China made fridges. The SS is just the finishing, but I get your point. We’re thinking of going *”pre-owned” just for that reason. Why waste the $.

*pretenious euphemism

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 14:27:33

I have used Huberts Used Appliances since 1993 and he has always sold me great used appliances. I would buy from him first.
Anytime.

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Comment by AdamCO
2009-08-24 13:35:59

I live in one of five houses that were built at the exact same time using the exact same materials and that contain the exact same appliances. They were built in 2001.

About 18 months ago, i noticed the neighbor’s dishwasher was out on the sidewalk. Not joking within two months, each and every dishwasher in each of the five units died the exact same way.

About two months ago, I called the guy to look at the furnace. We only have one guy in town who does this — he looks and says, “oh yeah - same problem with your two neighbors within the past week”

I’m sure within the next four or five years, the refrigerators will go…one after the other.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-24 17:26:21

Tract development builders are notorious for buying the cheapest crap they can get. Doesn’t matter what the name on it is.

As an example, in Houston, aluminum wiring was used on new builds throughout the 70s and 80s. In apartments as well. We’re talking 10s of thousands of units. No exaggeration.

Quite a few “spontaneous” apt fires over the last few decades, to say the least.

(Outlawed in the 90s. Copper Romex only)

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Comment by In Colorado
2009-08-24 16:50:20

Or 25 year old kenmore in the garage still runs like a champ.

 
 
Comment by cereal
2009-08-24 07:32:56

I’m waiting for Cash for Cats.

The old girl’s getting tired

Comment by Asparagus
2009-08-24 07:39:10

rotfl.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-08-24 08:40:22

I’m waiting for Cash for Cats.

We’ve got a cheeky bast’rd that likes to wake us up in the middle of the night and generally just wreaks havoc. I wonder what I could get for him?

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-08-24 12:08:54

ET-Chicago
But you love that “cheeky bast’rd”, bad habits and all, I assume? I’m a dog person, but cats have unique personalities. I like that.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-08-24 12:49:21

We love him, but it’s a love that’s sorely tested when he wakes us up at 3 am …

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Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2009-08-24 18:23:52

Try getting an empty spray bottle from the drugstore and fill it with water.

Whenever Jack decides to wake me up I give him one spray right in the kisser. This one spray usually lasts for about 6 months until he forgets again.

I keep the spray bottle on the table by my bed as a reminder.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-24 18:55:26

one spray usually lasts for about 6 months until he forgets again

Wow. That’s a really good memory for a cat.

Saw a cartoon yesterday of a cat sleeping on the floor in a patch of sun in front of a window, caption: solar-powered catnap.

 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 14:28:52

I would give anything for my 18yr old kitty back.
Cash for kitties.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-24 15:49:16

Me to Desert. I had two cats that needed to be put to sleep Puddin (nicknamed Ms. Revlon) was 15 and Penny (nicknamed Sun Slut) was 21.

Miss them both

 
Comment by ahansen
2009-08-24 22:38:01

Crying real tears for you dd and SF. My two kittycats have literally kept me going this last year. If I could find a man with the same personality, I’d marry him in a heartbeat. I’m really sorry for your loss.
(FWIW, I’m still grieving a little Siamese kinda dude I lost 30 years ago.)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by jetson_boy
2009-08-24 07:34:39

Its been a long time since I posted here. I’ve been too busy as of late. Anyhow, just from my perspective here in the east bay of the Bay Area, it seems that prices on houses in non-crime-ridden areas have been stubbornly hovering around the 500-550k mark. That’s not remarkable given that the same homes were 600-650k at the peak. These prices have been sitting at this level for some time now. Thus I can only guess that this is where they will remain. As such, that’s too high for me. Not that I can’t afford it, but I refuse to buy just on the lunacy alone.

Comment by FP
2009-08-24 08:45:10

I think California is still in the midst of a foreclosure moratorium. CA NAR was cheering the other day about medium price increases. Whatever. Release the flood gates again and California will frantically re-assemble and vote for another moratorium.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 08:56:15

Yes. Of course, there is nothing to preclude foreclosure moratoriums from being indefinitely extended. Not sure how doing so would mitigate the slow motion train wreck of shadow inventory piling up out of plain view, but I guess time will tell…

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 10:55:17

Since moratoriums can be extended indefinitely, perhaps that strategy CAN work. Just wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait, and wait until the economy finally turns around, then the market will finally clear as well. I don’t necessarily believe this, to be honest.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-08-24 12:18:11

GrizzlyBear
I hear ya. I just don’t know how kicking the foreclosure can down the road, will make the chaos any easier. Our economic issues are structual.

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2009-08-24 08:56:16

Yep

Round 2 of CA moratoriums expires in 3 weeks.

Comment by Lion-O
2009-08-24 10:35:05

This just delays foreclosure for 3 months. Or is it in addition to the first 3 months, so now a 6 month moratorium?

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Comment by packman
2009-08-24 10:52:51

Not sure the exact history, but the first moratoriums were a fair amount earlier, starting last year I believe. There was a period in the late spring when the moratoriums expired, before they were started up again in mid-June.

Note the big surge staring in March

As data comes out, it’ll be interesting to follow this chart.

(BTW - I have no idea who does that recharts web site - I love it thought and hope they continue to update it)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 11:33:47

Impressive data, as always, Packman. Roughly speaking, it looks like CA foreclosures are occurring at a rate of roughly 100,000 per month (1.2m per year). Where are all those foreclosures ending up?

- REO inventory
- Investor purchases
- Owner-occupant purchases
- No man’s land

Enquiring minds want to know…

 
Comment by packman
2009-08-24 11:39:02

Well, like I say - not my data, I just linked to it. I’d *love* to have access to the raw data, but I think you have to have a paid RealtyTrac subscription to get it. If anyone knows otherwise - let me know. I’d love to add it to my ever-growing data spreadsheet. :-)

 
Comment by Chip
2009-08-24 17:54:44

Pretty simple, as I see it. You start with a 5-gallon jug. You add 1 gallon of water and drain out 1 quart. Then you add another gallon and drain out another quart.

IMO, all such programs work this way. The sharp folks calculate very carefully when the jug is going to overflow and make sure they have cash on hand for the big event.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 18:50:46

Packman, thanks for the link. It even tends to support the position of my cousin Nancy who thinks “it’s different” in Wyoming. The smoothed foreclosure chart at the bottom looks almost exactly the same for Wyoming as for California…except that the FC’s in Calif are running 90,000 per month vs. Wyoming’s 90 per month…whereas the population of Calif is “only” about 60 times Wyo pop.

 
 
Comment by Lion-O
2009-08-24 12:04:14

This is just a guess at how common foreclosures are/will be in CA. If after the bubble unwinds there will have been 3,000,000 foreclosures since 2005 and there were 2.5 people living in those homes, then there would be 7,5000,000 people who will have had their homes foreclosed (or renters of these homes). That’s 20% of the population in CA.

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Comment by Lion-O
2009-08-24 09:43:44

I’m in the bay area. Over half the people I have met in the last 6 months have either stopped making payments or want to sell in 5 years or so when prices are higher. (their words) I don’t think it’s purely coincidence that I know of so many people in this situation. There is one in Marin, 2 in Oakland (decent area), 1 in sf, 2 in Pittsburgh, 1 in pleasant hill. Not to mention my landlord that would like to sell, but is waiting for the recovery. These are only the people who will discuss their situation. How long can the banks go without payments on their loans? How long will people who can afford the payment stay trapped in their homes?

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-25 03:53:06

Hearing the same stories here in the San Diego and L.A. areas.

IMHO, this is where all the “shadow inventory” is being hidden — in the defaults — many have not received NODs, yet.

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Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-08-24 08:48:30

I’m sure they will actually break south again. This was the ‘hail mary’ selling season. After this, the high priced areas will slide like the ghettos. At least that’s my guess.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 08:54:17

“Thus I can only guess that this is where they will remain.”

So you are suggesting that SF Bay Area housing prices are stuck on a permanently high plateau?

Comment by DennisN
2009-08-24 09:42:02

A lot of guys at patrick dot net have been waiting around for cheap SF BA houses for 5 years now. It may not happen with any speed, although the bottom appears to have fallen out of the cheap housing market there.

Comment by palmetto
2009-08-24 10:20:38

Dennis, I’m waiting for my post to show up that links to a chart by Charles Hugh Smith from 2006. Posts with links take a while, but you will like it.

If you can’t wait, google “Charles Hugh Smith August 2, 2006 Phase Transitions, Symmetry and Post-Bubble Declines”. The awesome thing is that so far, things have gone EXACTLY as outlined and we are in the midst of the Phase 2 sucker-bottom, just as he predicted based on past bubbles. Right after the New Year, the downhill leg begins in earnest.

It may happen, because of government intervention, that it will take a little longer to play out, but so far, things are on schedule. A truly prophetic graph, IMO.

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Comment by Chip
2009-08-24 18:18:25

Palmy - thanks for the link. I like Charles and his stuff - this is Memory Lane big-time. Stiffens my spine a bit, in the face of worrying about losing the cash (powder) that I’ve kept dry so long.

 
 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-08-24 11:15:22

I’m wondering if I wait so long to buy something will it even out. Wait 8 years living in apartment. Sure I’ve got some cash in the bank but meanwhile I rent a storage unit and pay high utility bills cause the mechanical sucks.

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Comment by Chip
2009-08-24 18:22:37

VaB - I was able to resolve that, for the most part, by trading up my rental this year. While I’ve had the advantage of living in a luxo condo versus an apartment, the math is null-sum in most places. My cash in the bank has earned less and less each year that I’ve held it there. But if I’d owned real estate instead, I’d have lost principal, instead of just retaining it without interest. To me, that’s the biggie.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Chip
2009-08-24 17:46:05

Jetson_boy - are these “wishing prices” or sold-and-closed prices? The difference can be enormous. There is a neighborhood in Georgia that I’ve been waiting out - almost no sales, but everyone holds on to their wishing price. Until the dam breaks. The forecasts for implosion of prime mortgages very soon could be a fast game-changer in your neighborhood of choice.

Meanwhile, I enjoy living in my very luxurious, sinfully large rental and watch the rent-vs-own meter to determine when I should get a bit more aggressive about a purchase. My only worry - not one that I dismiss, mind you - is the total destruction of the dollar, in which event I presume I’d be toast.

Comment by Chip
2009-08-24 17:48:20

Speaking of long-lost posters, I miss the posts of Robert Cote. He could be a bit testy, but contributed a lot of useful insight and accurate reporting.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 18:54:08

Very good point. Certainly the RATIO of actual selling prices to asking prices has declined.

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2009-08-24 22:39:31

Hey, Jetson! Good to see you back.

 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2009-08-24 07:34:57

Good Morning HBB!

Sipping nice dark roast - mm mmmmmmmmm.

WSJ reports Goldman’s trading tips rewards it biggest clients. The comments are interesting!

I also read the FBI arrested the guy GS accused of stealing code.

Oh, and housing is going up! That’s not a joke here in WI. I’ve watched a few listings for two plus years. High, then lower, lower and lower.

Something is in the water, because a month or so ago, these listings climbed higher!

Ya just can’t make this stuff up.
Leigh

Comment by arizonadude
2009-08-24 07:45:06

Aren’t we in a new bull market?

 
Comment by exeter
2009-08-24 07:48:17

I can confirm Leigh’s observations. REO listings that I monitor jumped double digit percentages late last week. I about fell out of my chair when I saw it. It’s a great way for NARscum and their minions to choke the market.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-08-24 08:49:24

A last-ditch effort before the season’s over? It’s gonna be a long, cold winter in realty.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 08:57:25

“WSJ reports Goldman’s trading tips rewards it biggest clients.”

Can anyone who understands why this does not constitute insider trading please elaborate?

Comment by Leighsong
2009-08-24 09:06:46

P’Bear,

Zero Hedge does a great job of explaining it - but be warned - your head may catch fire!

Leigh ;)

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-08-24 10:06:46

Exeter, what do you mean by “choke the market?” Given current elasticity, I don’t think NAR would try to force a 5% increase in prices ‘cuz it would probably result in a more than 5% decrease in sales.

Realtors try to force prices down when sales volume is weak. If a house is overpriced it won’t sell, and 6% of $150K is better than 0% of $200K.
Even they can figure that out.

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Comment by Al
2009-08-24 11:41:27

Bill,

Why are you trying to apply normal economics under to housing? It’s entirely inappropriate. Here are the rules:

1) When prices go up, more investors magically appear and help further push prices up. Such occurences are a new paradigm and must not be confused with bubbles.

2) People won’t rush to buy a house when prices aren’t going up. People need to rush into buying a house.

3) If prices are going down, less people will buy because prices aren’t going up, and why else would someone want to buy a house? The only reason prices ever go down is because the media is scaring people.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-08-24 12:23:58

But the fact eludes you that the raft of newly minted and some veteran realturds speculated in the very junk they were selling the uninformed masses, much like a drug dealer shooting his own junk.

Even joyincalif can figure that out.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-08-24 14:10:16

OK, but what do you mean by “choke the market?”

 
Comment by exeter
2009-08-24 14:27:54

Choke the market= Acting in a manner consistent with the false idea that the market can endure and thrive by raising prices in the face of massive and growing inventory, either implicitly through happy talk or by collusion with sellers.

Low life realtards speculated and are in a catch-22 scenario, generally speaking. They cannot embrace a normal market where prices fall due to high inventory as they will eviscerate their own infestments. And they cannot pump the drama and prices as they won’t execute any sales.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 19:00:46

Tried to post yesterday about my cousin David, a newly minted real estate agent. He is hard-assed with clients who won’t move their prices down. He definitely prefers the few percent of lower price than the Nothing that you get if the property doesn’t sell. He claims that he severs relationships with clients who won’t move their prices down every month or so. He claims he has closed quite a few sales this year. Luckily for him, his wife has a real job in medical book-keeping, but I don’t doubt that he’s making SOME money in RE if he’s following the strategy he has described.

 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-24 16:46:47

I think having two classes of clients, the higher of whom get better info, still isn’t insider trading, in the sense that they’re just disseminating their own analyses to their clients, not ‘inside’ information. There may be other legal questions, but i don’t think this is insider trading. Misrepresentation, collusion, etc. all seem like more likely charges to my non-lawyer brain.

 
 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-08-24 07:35:03

( a reply to yesterday)

desertdweller
Boy, are you my kind of gal. I like to screw with the UHS at open houses too. I was on the intelligent side of the biz, commercial.

The cool thing about Redfin is that the buyer gets a cut of the agent’s commission (and the paperwork is their job). I like the business model that let’s a motivated buyer get paid for the effort. How often does the buyer win in a normal r e transaction.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 12:08:43

What? YOU were/are a realtor, awaiting? Does this mean…does this mean…there’s an honest, decent Realtor out there in the world?
Now, why’d you tell me that? Confusion! Head whirling! Crazy-time!
The paradigm shift is too much for my wee brains to encompass! Ahhhhhh…..!

*Olynoggin a’splodes messily all over desk *

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-24 14:22:20

Oly, I met an honest one up in Seattle at the HBB meet-up! His name was Ira somethingorother.

He told me flat out that it was a terrible time to buy! I was shocked, to say the least. I’m tempted to use him when things finally bottom out in a few years and I am ready to buy.

I got the impression that he was semi-retired, so didn’t feel any need to generate higher current income by pushing people to buy.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 14:40:17

H is comm RE, land man, and appeased me (I feel like I did in church as a little girl, anything to be rebellious)with yesterdays open house drive bys/throughs, but is adamantly opposed to buying anything.
He listens to the RE koolaid drinkers and shakes head in
dismay.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 15:34:39

Oly, I met an honest one up in Seattle at the HBB meet-up! His name was Ira somethingorother.
He told me flat out that it was a terrible time to buy!

Ahhhhhh…! Astonishments! Perturbations! TWO honest Realtors?!

*Olynoggin messily a’splodes again *

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-08-24 15:21:32

Oly-
In my roaring 20’s- early 30’s, I was a “Professional” that found my niche in shopping centers. I did mgmt and marketing, and yes, I am licensed.
There would be a hole in our hearts if you ever left our HBB world. You’re a doll. Smart, funny, creative, and sweet. My kind of friend.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-08-24 15:27:41

“There would be a hole in our hearts if you ever left our HBB world. You’re a doll. Smart, funny, creative, and sweet. My kind of friend.”
desertdweller, that compliment goes to you too.

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 15:35:26

Hug fest!

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 15:36:15

There would be a hole in our hearts if you ever left our HBB world.

Well, then, you should be extra sorry you personally made my head a’splode.
Hahahahaah!

…Truly, though, thank you, awaiting. And right back atcher. :)

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Comment by ahansen
2009-08-24 23:01:46

Oly, if the rest of the world showed your tact and kindness, everyone’s national budget would be reduced by half. (Of course we’d spend all that we’d saved trying to keep up with you.)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by cougar91
2009-08-24 07:36:58

I have posted previously on John Hussman’s weekly commentary as good readings, this week’s commentary is a must read:

�Our forecast is for moderate but positive growth going into next year. We think that by the spring, early next year, that as these credit problems resolve and, as we hope, the housing market begins to find a bottom, that the broader resiliency of the economy, which we are seeing in other areas outside of housing, will take control and will help the economy recover to a more reasonable growth pace.�

Ben Bernanke, Federal Reserve Chairman

On Friday, investors took great cheer in an optimistic statement by Ben Bernanke suggesting good prospects for economic growth ahead. We might be inclined to place a sliver of credibility in Chairman Bernanke’s assessment � if not for the fact that the quote above wasn’t from last week at all, but rather, hails back to November 8, 2007, just before the recent recession began. You might recall that the S&P 500 was pushing 1500 at the time. The implosion of the global credit markets was still just a slight rumble.

As it happens, that was also the week our recession warning composite shifted clearly into negative territory, prompting the weekly comment Expecting A Recession, where I wrote �On Saturday, the consensus of economists surveyed by Blue Chip Economic Indicators indicated expectations that growth will be sluggish into next year, but that there will be no recession. Unfortunately, the economic consensus has never accurately anticipated a recession. For my part, the outlook has changed. I expect that a U.S. economic recession is immediately ahead.� That was followed the next week with Critical Point, which opened with a saying of Rudiger Dornbusch: �The crisis takes a much longer time coming than you think, and then it happens much faster than you would have thought.�

A good economist thoughtfully recognizes �general equilibrium� � resources moved to one place must be taken from somewhere else. Securities or monetary liabilities, once issued, must be held by someone in the economy until they are retired (the failure to recognize this is the basis for the �cash on the sidelines� fallacy). Instead, Bernanke’s economic research is a minefield of partial equilibrium analysis. Helicopter Ben is a lot like John Maynard Keynes, who wrote in his General Theory �If the Treasury were to fill old bottles with banknotes, bury them at suitable depths, and leave it to private enterprise on well-tried principles of laissez-faire to dig the notes up again, there need be no more unemployment.�

Solving economic problems, to our Fed Chairman, is as easy as throwing money out of helicopters. Not surprisingly, throwing money out of helicopters has been the basic core of his strategy during this crisis. This does not involve complex thought about debt restructuring, moral hazard, incentives, equitable distribution of resources, or other factors. All it requires is the three second tape playing in Bernanke’s head - “We let the banks fail in the Great Depression, and look what happened.” And then the tape repeats. Never mind that the cause of the upheaval was not the failure of banks per se, but the disorganized Lehman-style failure of banks. The tape isn’t long enough to encompass such nuances.

Ben Bernanke (like Tim Geithner and his predecessor Hank Paulson), shows no hesitation in diverting the real resources of the American public to defend and compensate the bondholders of mismanaged financial companies who made reckless loans and who should have (and equally important, could have) been expected to write down principal or swap debt for equity as an alternative to receivership. This is not decisiveness. It is timidity and poor stewardship. Worse, the underlying problems are not healed - only band-aided temporarily by a flood of public money.

…………

A second part of Friday’s enthusiasm, of course, was the sharp jump in the rate at which lenders are realizing losses on failing mortgages. That, as it happens, is what was behind the sharp jump in the rate of existing home sales. As John Mauldin recently pointed out, a June survey of 1500 real-estate agents by Mortgage Finance found that only 36% of all existing home sales involved �non-distressed� properties, and of those, only 31% were described as unforced or optional, the remainder being sales prompted by personal financial difficulty such as unemployment or changes in family circumstances, but without a delinquent or foreclosed mortgage. As John wrote, �Think about that for a minute. Two-thirds of home sales are either foreclosures or banks taking a loss on the mortgage. And only a third of the remaining one-third � roughly 10% of overall sales � comes from something we could call a normal selling process.�

Rest easy though. Bernanke sees a recovery.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 08:58:27

“We might be inclined to place a sliver of credibility in Chairman Bernanke’s assessment � if not for the fact that the quote above wasn’t from last week at all, but rather, hails back to November 8, 2007,…”

In the long run, stopped clock predictions are almost always right.

 
Comment by skroodle
2009-08-24 10:51:43

I’m still trying to figure out if � a dirty word…

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-24 15:59:42

I think it’s a tiny honey jar

Comment by ahansen
2009-08-24 23:03:52

Snort. Excellent, sloth.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-08-24 07:38:41

Okay, I’m almost done with my second cup…of coffee. But I’d like to hear from the folks who start their day sipping wine! Where are the bloggers with those brown crinkly paper bags? Should have wi-fi and bootleg some AC/DC in some alley somewhere in some inner city…

Been awhile since I saw anyone start their day (10:00 a.m) with a beer. But that was a decade or two ago at San Felipe (Baja) with a group of friends.

Comment by Leighsong
2009-08-24 09:09:54

LOL Bill.

It’s been a couple of decades for me - hair of the dog…er…bloody mary thingies.

Leigh ;)

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-24 09:46:00

those brown crinkly paper bags

Oooh my cats love brown crinkly paper bags from the grocery store. World’s best cat toy.

Instructions: remove vino bottles, insert kitty, stand back.

Comment by Al
2009-08-24 10:24:22

“Instructions: remove vino bottles, insert kitty, stand back.”

If no immediate response, gently scratch the back of the bag.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 12:12:17

Instructions: remove vino bottles, insert kitty, stand back.

What an enjoyable bit of fun!
If I tried that I’d lose my hands up to the elbows. And they barely grew back from when I hauled those cats in to get spayed a few years ago. (I’ve been typing with my nose. Amazing, huh?)
They are referred to as ‘The Spayed Horde’ hereabouts. They want to eat me, but so far I’ve been too quick and cunning for them.
So far.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-24 15:59:07

My kitty loved both plastic and paper bags. Great fun to watch her play.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-08-25 08:31:57

We had a Maine Coon cat, a male one. Big s.o.b. Loved paper bags. He’d go in head first and think he was well hidden. But half of him was sticking out of the bag. That was the only cat my dad let inside the house (only for short visits though). Maine Coon cats are like me - they never grow up!

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Comment by potential buyer
2009-08-24 10:39:08

That’s when I started my day on Friday drinking - 10 or 11am. Took the wine tour in Napa (totally pretentious area) but our driver made a point of skipping the huge commercial wineries and stuck to the small vineyards. Wonderful vintner at Elhorn Peak took a long time explaining the grapes, soil, climate and the wines we eventually tasted. Loved his Pinot Noir. Came away feeling like we learned something. I highly recommend this.

Comment by DennisN
2009-08-24 10:59:59

Funny coincidence: I drove my brother around the Snake River wine country on Friday afternoon. Not as many wineries yet. St. Chapelle C+, Sawtooth Vineyards B. Right now the Idaho wineries are struggling with cost-containment. They aren’t big enough to have economy of scale yet so their offerings are overpriced in the world market.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 12:23:53

There was a winery bubble. I expect many to fail.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 12:36:49

Really?! Booo HooooOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOO…

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 12:49:27

No need to weep, cannibalistic consumer of RealtWHORES. Any thinning of the wine snob crowd is an event to be embraced. These people need a good kick in the goods- or better yet- a horizontal nap on your BBQ. Pass the salt.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-24 13:16:42

How about a Champagne bubble?

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 13:27:06

“The Fine Wine Bubble of the Early 21st Century”

http://www.vinography.com/archives/2009/05/the_fine_wine_bubble_of_the_ea.html

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 14:45:26

I feel that this is the bubble we should help with.
Small wineries should definitely get our purchases, repurchases and purchases again, over and over and over.

Someone has to re-inflate this bubble.

I suggest we do a meet up at some little winery HBB style.
This time I will show up come heck or high wine.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-24 16:01:45

Cash4Wine ? That’d get my vote.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 17:54:22

Works4me2

 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2009-08-24 15:27:37

Our tour guide talked about how many didn’t make it in wine country. The vintners talked about the economy and its effect on them. I admire the amount of work these small owners do — all dependent on weather, economy, disease.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-08-24 14:46:50

If you like wine, check out this Documentary with host John Cleese.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/79439/wine-for-the-confused

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-24 15:30:53

Thanks for that, wipeout. I look forward to watching it later in the evening.

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 15:37:39

If you like wine, check out this Documentary with host John Cleese.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/79439/wine-for-the-confused

OH goody.

The movie Bottled was pretty good too. I think that was the name.

Love a well rounded HBBer,AW.

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Comment by potential buyer
2009-08-24 15:53:01

Thanks! That’s a great video. My vintner would have said he didn’t stick his nose far enough into the glass for the smell though……:-)

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Comment by Chip
2009-08-24 18:34:04

Bill - dayum - I’ve been hoping someone would ask. It sure isn’t going to be my wife.

Great idea! Given all the medical conclusions these days, there must be someone with credentials we could trot out at home who believe that it is better to get started in the morning than in the p.m. Sign me up. To add credibility, I recommend recommending white wine before 2PM and heavier whites or reds after that. That will mess with the minds of the unknowing.

I miss Melody. She posted here long, long ago, from Cali and in the Age of Goleta, and was big into wines.

It’s really strange to become nostalgic relative to blogs. Maybe it’s because I’m an old fart - I look at a movie made in 1987 and think that is reasonably current.

I need Hwy57 to bail me out here.

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-24 19:39:35

Chip, you travel to the ME for work, right? Have you encountered or heard of fever testing on flight arrivals anywhere?

Comment by saywhat?
2009-08-25 05:15:54

RE: Fever testing
We were tested entering and leaving the Mexico City airport this summer. Odd experience.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-08-24 07:46:42

52-week T-bills get auctioned this week. 0.45% is a warm fuzzy feeling when you think of the S&P 500 index gaining over 50% since the lowest point (so far) of the year.

Good things do not last forever.

I’m seeing fewer good jobs in software engineering posted on dice. I’m not unemployed…yet but I’m anticipating it. I wish I had four times the amount I currently have in T-bills. It will be difficult (emotionally) to sell off savings bonds to live off of. But I’ll do it if I must. I have enough in “gubment” securities to live off of for several years with no job.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 09:01:23

“0.45% is a warm fuzzy feeling when you think of the S&P 500 index gaining over 50% since the lowest point (so far) of the year.

Good things do not last forever.”

The spread between returns to savers on money market deposits versus that to gamblers using other people’s money to bet on the stock market must have been nearly unprecedented over the period since last March.

Comment by DennisN
2009-08-24 09:50:28

I’m glad I didn’t bail on the S&P earlier. I guess one could say two things about its motion. (1) It’s up 50% since March. (2) It’s just back to where it was in the first week of October 2008.

Will it return to where it was in September 2008?

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-08-24 19:25:55

My take is that this is a lightning bolt pattern. The downswing will move us lower than March’s lowest point in the “SNP”

But I don’t invest with hunches. I keep buying the stock mutual funds in my long term plan.

My paranoid plan says to buy T-billls and gold bullion. That stuff will keep me afloat when I lose my job.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 07:58:47

New word: Stagdeflation

Economist Nouriel Roubini says government and central bank officials may undermine the recovery and tip their economies back into “stagdeflation” if they raise taxes, cut spending and mop up excess liquidity in their systems to reduce fiscal deficits. He defines “stagdeflation” as recession and deflation.

< This fellow has had a pretty good batting average in the prediction department.

The present financial crisis is different from what almost everybody alive today has experienced. A very good reason to be aware…and cautious.

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 19:21:17

That’s true, Roubini was good in the middle of the decade. And his forecasts of continuing foreclosure waves have continued to be reasonably well borne out.

But I am reminded of PB’s comment above about Bernanke as a “stopped clock,” and I’m afraid NR is beginning to sound like a bit of a Stopped Clock too! Someone on CNBC today was pointing out that Roubini has completely changed his rationale for his persistent double-dip recession forecast.

I do like your observation that the present crisis is different from any other in our lifetime…and not a perfect match of the GD either. What do I think? Really hard times to continue at least a few more years. As Mauldin says, the present recovery is a statistical artifact.

 
 
Comment by azrenter
2009-08-24 08:02:14

Just hope that this gubmint is still in the bond business when those come due.

 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-08-24 08:12:51

The social mood has changed. Did anyone think they would live to see people abandoning their homes and moving away? Do you think we’ll see it again in our lifetime? Five years ago people were buying homes with both hands. Today, they are happy to walk-away. These are interesting times.

Comment by Kim
2009-08-24 08:25:05

A house in my hood has been on the market at a ridiculous wishing price (almost half a million and 40+ old) for months. Yesterday there were two UHauls parked outside. Not sure if they’re giving up, but its +1 for the vacancies.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-24 17:40:49

After seeing it the first time from the S&L disaster, I’m not surprised.

Now having read more history since then, I’m even less surprised.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 08:16:47

Convicted Ponzi schemer Bernie Madoff is dying of cancer, sources told the New York Post.

Madoff, who is serving 150 years at a North Carolina federal prison after pleading guilty to swindling more than $65 billion, has been telling fellow inmate he doesn’t have much longer to live.

“He’s been taking about 20 pills a day for his cancer,” one inmate told the newspaper. “He talks about it all the time. He’s not doing very well.”

Speculation has swirled as to why Madoff, 71, took sole responsibility for the scheme and rumors of his suffering from pancreatic cancer surfaced months before he arrived at the Butner, N.C., complex in June.

Comment by michael
2009-08-24 08:35:25

Awwww…they should release him…you know…for sympathy.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-08-24 08:46:43

I see Fidel is looking pretty chipper these days….maybe Michael Moore was right Cuba has a great health care system, and Bernie would help Fidel create another ponzi scheme since Komminism didn’t turn out too good.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-08-24 08:51:46

They should release him into the custody of his former clients.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 10:33:59

No, ’cause then it’d be over much too soon. I’d like to see him suffer a lonnnng time.

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 19:40:40

You know, part of me thinks Bernie is one of the most evil, crooked SOB’s Wall St. ever produced, but another part of me finds it somewhat satisfying that so many greedy, crooked SOB’s were parted from their money. The greedy eating the greedy- excellent!

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2009-08-24 08:59:20

I can picture him stepping off the plane to a hero’s welcome on Wall Street. The crowds cheering. BB and TTT helping him down the steps. etc.

Comment by palmetto
2009-08-24 09:32:19

You mean like the Lockerbie bomber guy who just got released? LOL!

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Comment by Skip
2009-08-24 09:12:34

Remember, he is now a recipient of free medical care.

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-08-24 09:23:10

Does free medical care in prisons cover pre-existing conditions?

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Comment by Kim
2009-08-24 09:32:14

“Remember, he is now a recipient of free medical care.”

He would have had that anyway under Medicare, had he so chose.

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Comment by skroodle
2009-08-24 10:58:45

People forget, but to be eligible for Medicare, you must have paid Social Security for a certain number of quarters.

If you pay your taxes with stolen money, does that count?

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-24 09:53:51

They should release him for compassionate reasons and send him to Libya.

Comment by SDGreg
2009-08-24 10:41:43

As long as the airport security screening is done by former clients…

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 14:48:23

IF they release this s.o.b without him spilling his insider guts, I think there should be folks all lined up to greet him when he walks out. 1000s of folks.

That would be a travesty. Living in luxury while you die, while others linger in death like financial throes.

 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-24 13:57:54

I wish cancer on nobody. Maybe, this explains his confession though. Not much of a half-life in pancreatic cancer.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-24 17:42:30

The Bureau of Prisons says he’s not.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 19:23:15

Damn!! — taxpayers are probably paying for those pills.

 
Comment by rms
2009-08-24 21:30:21

Occidental’s Armand Hammer went to federal court in a wheelchair, and following the 1-year probation sentence, rather than a prison term, he reportedly rose from the wheelchair to dance a little jig.

 
 
Comment by Kim
2009-08-24 08:20:49

Friday on Fast Money, Karen Finerman reported that Cerberus Capital had over $4 billion in redemption requests. I can’t find a (current) link to get more info. That Cerberus suspended redemptions is old news, but that was the first time I heard a dollar amount on them.

Fitting, no? Cerberus’s job was to keep souls in Hades.

Comment by Neil
2009-08-24 11:32:34

ROTFLMAO

I wonder what the current redemption request sum of all the hedge funds is up to. Has it passed $1 Trillion of frozen requests? Must be nice to run a hedge fund.. We’re losing business, so we’ll just stop that. ;)

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 08:26:43

Sounds like Mercury is going to close up shop in Wis.

Mercury Marine union in Wis. rejects concessions (AP)

FOND DU LAC, Wis. — Union workers at Mercury Marine put their jobs at risk Sunday when they rejected a package of wage and benefit concessions the boat engine maker said it needed or it would move their work to a nonunion plant in Oklahoma.

Union leaders did not immediately release Sunday’s tally but said the vote was “overwhelming” to reject what the company called its final offer.

The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, Local 1947, represents 850 workers at Mercury Marine, the largest employer in the eastern Wisconsin city of Fond du Lac and the world’s largest manufacturer of boat and recreational marine engines.

Mercury Marine had asked for changes to a four-year contract it signed a year ago. The company had said workers would see no pay cuts under its proposal, but the union said workers were asked give up 2 percent pay raises in each of the last two years of the contract. The average hourly wage now is about $20, the union said. The proposal also called for lower wages for new hires and workers called back from layoffs, and changes in pension benefits that workers said would have made retirement unaffordable.

Mercury Marine issued a statement after the vote saying it will move many of its Fond du Lac manufacturing operations to its facility in Stillwater, Okla., over the next two to three years. The company said it will continue to operate the Fond du Lac facility for now under the terms and conditions of the existing contract, which expires in 2012.

Comment by Skip
2009-08-24 08:49:18

Sounds like deflation might be here a little bit longer…

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-08-24 08:50:03

Like DUH morons $20 hr in FonDUElack is super high pay. oh well no way to ever pay back your Heloc loans…..

Comment by skroodle
2009-08-24 11:04:07

Its a done deal. Green shoots? hahahahaha…..

Mercury Marine to close Fond du Lac plant
The Business Journal of Milwaukee

Mercury Marine Inc. will consolidate much of its Fond du Lac operations in its plant in Stillwater, Okla., after union members Sunday rejected contract concessions that would have included lower wages for new hires and employees called back from layoff.

The move could cost up to 800 jobs over the next several years, company officials said. The decision could also mean that Fond du Lac will lose Mercury Marine’s world headquarters, which employs about 1,000 people. The company will operate the Fond du Lac plant under terms of the existing contract, which expires in 2012.

In a statement, a union leader said that while the firm claimed contract concessions were necessary to keep the plant in Fond du Lac, the company never offered a guarantee. As a result, union members believed that Mercury Marine management fully intended to move operations out of Fond du Lac, regardelss of the uninon vote outcome.

 
 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-08-24 09:01:54

I suddenly have an urge to google “Aesop Fable goose golden egg”.

Comment by Skip
2009-08-24 11:41:20

“Aesop Fable goose golden egg”

When I google that, google returns with “aesop fable elephant abducter - aesop”

Who would steal an elephant? And then where would you hide him? More importantly, why are there so many elephants being kept in Fond du Lac? Are there aliens involved?

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 12:44:10

Who would steal an elephant? And then where would you hide him? More importantly, why are there so many elephants being kept in Fond du Lac? Are there aliens involved?

You know what, I ask myself these questions every single day…

*stops working and stares intently into space *

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 14:51:15

LOL,

 
 
 
Comment by michael
2009-08-24 11:54:48

couldn’t help but:

A man and his wife had the good fortune to possess a goose which laid a golden egg every day. Lucky though they were, they soon began to think they were not getting rich fast enough, and, imagining the bird must be made of gold inside, they decided to kill it. Then, they thought, they could obtain the whole store of precious metal at once; however, upon cutting the goose open, they found its innards to be like that of any other goose.

 
 
Comment by Jon
2009-08-24 10:18:51

Headline: 2012

“Stillwater, OK. — Non-Union workers at Mercury Marine put their jobs at risk Sunday when they rejected a package of wage and benefit concessions the boat engine maker said it needed or it would move their work to a non-American plant in Mexico.”

And global wage arbitrage proceeds…

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-24 11:29:42

“Non-Union workers at Mercury Marine put their jobs at risk Sunday when they rejected a package of wage and benefit concessions”

Except that with no collective bargaining, the workers don’t really have an option to reject a package. They take what the company offers, or they each individually walk away from the job to some other better opportunity.

It’s funny—most people view the global wage arbitrage, as you call it, as something to be avoided. Lately I’ve been seeing it more as an inevitable conclusion based on the first-principles—kind of like how water always runs downhill.

What puzzles me is why the water took so long to start running downhill.

Comment by Jon
2009-08-24 14:19:57

It takes a long time and a lot of propaganda to get an entire nation to think its in their best interest to commit economic suicide.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-24 16:05:40

easy money is the lube

 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 14:53:19

The Ceos kept all the money, and just a bit trickled through their tightly closed/clenched fingers. dammit why pay someone when you can keep it all?

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Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 08:28:41

Analyst Bove sees 150-200 more U.S. bank failures.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A prominent banking analyst said on Sunday that 150 to 200 more U.S. banks will fail in the current banking crisis, and the industry’s payments to keep the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp afloat could eat up 25 percent of pretax income in 2010.

Richard Bove of Rochdale Securities said this will likely force the FDIC, which insures deposits, to turn increasingly to non-U.S. banks and private equity funds to shore up the banking system.

“The difficulty at the moment is finding enough healthy banks to buy the failing banks,” Bove wrote.

The FDIC is expected on August 26 to vote on relaxed guidelines for private equity firms to invest in failed banks, after critics said previously proposed rules were too harsh and would actually dissuade firms from making investments.

Bove said “perhaps another 150 to 200 banks will fail,” on top of 81 so far in 2009, adding stress to the FDIC’s deposit insurance fund.

Three large failures this year — BankUnited Financial Corp in May, and Colonial BancGroup Inc, Guaranty Financial Group Inc in August — collectively cost the fund roughly $10.7 billion.

The fund had $13 billion at the end of March.

Regulators closed Guaranty’s banking unit on Friday and sold assets of the Texas-based lender to Banco Bilbao Vizcaya Argentaria SA. The FDIC agreed to share in losses with the Spanish bank.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-24 17:47:36

No love lost here. Guaranty wasn’t very nice to its small depositors.

 
 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-08-24 08:28:50

Is anybody snapping up AIG at the bargain basement price of $35 per share?

Comment by exeter
2009-08-24 09:21:27

Nope. But according to NAR, people are snapping up homes still…. “sometimes 2 and three at a time!” sez the local dingbat realturd.

Comment by beachchic
2009-08-24 14:09:22

How about “gobble up?” This term is frequently used in the from OC Register.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 14:54:33

Thanksgiving IS around the corner! gobble gobble.

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-08-24 17:23:06

Gotta gobble up those Orange County turkeys.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-24 17:49:27

“…AIG at the bargain basement price of $35 per share?”

I think I’ve hurt myself laughing.

You mean $0.35, right?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 08:31:47

Social Security recipients will have to tighten up on their spending. They’ll be getting less money to spend in 2010 and 2011!

The trustees who oversee Social Security are projecting there won’t be a cost of living adjustment (COLA) for the next two years. That hasn’t happened since automatic increases were adopted in 1975.

By law, Social Security benefits cannot go down. Nevertheless, monthly payments would drop for millions of people in the Medicare prescription drug program because the premiums, which often are deducted from Social Security payments, are scheduled to go up slightly.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-08-24 08:39:52

Has anybody seen The Constitution lately? I think we lost it somewhere.

Comment by DennisN
2009-08-24 09:55:46

Bill Douglas fed it to his sheep.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-08-24 09:43:01

Oooh, now I’ll have a new quip to respond to those senior citizens who carp all the time about “I’m on a fixed income!” when you try to get them to part with some of their bux.

You aren’t on a fixed income anymore. And BTW, nothing ever stays the same for long. It either improves or declines. I guess SS isn’t improving.

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-24 09:55:47

In Rockport, TX, at the waterfront estate of a San Antonio bigwig:

A couple drove into a posted private drive, passed two postings of “private property,” opened a gate with prominent “posted: no trespassing” signs and drove past the house down to the water to have a picnic. When the caretaker informed them that they were trespassing, the woman replied, “No. We’re retired.”

 
 
Comment by Bad Chile
2009-08-24 10:40:11

Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving group of people.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-08-24 14:16:42

The “greatest generation” morphed into the “greediest generation.” Makes me sad to be part of it.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 14:56:18

Partly true, again, I still know of quite a few POOR seniors.

It didnt’ work out as well for them as it did for the wealthy retirees who seem to be as greedy as he ll.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-24 17:55:46

Exactly. Most seniors are struggling to get by. And losing.

Try working all your life only to see it all taken away by events beyond your control and then get called greedy when you see the wealthy demanding more and more concessions and compensation for market losses and tax reductions.

Go visit and old folks and realize that could EASILY be you one day. No matter how smart you think you are.

Easily.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-24 18:36:43

“Go visit and old folks home…”

 
 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-24 16:07:36

Wahhhhh, wahhhhhh, wahhhhh

 
 
 
Comment by cougar91
2009-08-24 08:56:42

Without Prospects, They’re Prospectors
Metal’s High Price, Economy’s Low Ebb Create New Gold Rush

WaPo
Monday, August 24, 2009

COLUMBIA, Calif. — Maybe it was the nail in Ray’s head. Maybe it was the economy. His wife said one as much as the other drove the decision to auction off everything that wouldn’t fit in the trailer and leave Vermont for the mother lode.

“Thought we’d try to make a living at it,” Kim Lague said, standing in a mining camp that was busier during the Great Depression than it was in the Gold Rush of 1849, and is busy once again.

And so, 18 months after a co-worker’s pneumatic hammer drove a 2 1/2 -inch stainless-steel nail into Ray Lague’s skull — “the plunger of the gun brushed my hat and discharged” — the once-thriving contractor took his place among the prospectors lining the steep banks of the South Fork of the Stanislaus River, 40 miles west of Yosemite National Park. The bearded man helping him drag the mining gear into the water was a jobless logger who lost his home to foreclosure.

Fifty feet downstream, an unemployed concrete-truck driver scoured the river bottom beside a laid-off furniture mover, back to prospecting after a day spent wrestling with the unemployment office.

“You have to consider the economy,” said Gary Rhinevault, caretaker of the Lost Dutchman’s Mining Association campground, where 45 prospectors pay as little as 30 cents a day to pitch their tents. “In 1932 there were more prospectors out trying to make a living than in the 1850s.”

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 14:57:48

Did he survive the pneumatic nail shot in his head?

Trivial things I think I missed.

Otherwise I got the rest of the story.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-08-24 17:28:01

Did he happen to run into Casey Sering on the river?

 
 
Comment by Kim
2009-08-24 09:01:24

Fitch: Delinquency Cure Rates Worsening for U.S. Prime RMBS

www dot businesswire dot com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090824005549&newsLang=en

“Delinquency cure rates refer to the percentage of delinquent loans returning to a current payment status each month. Cure rates have declined from an average of 45% during 2000-2006 to the currently level of 6.6%. It is important not only to observe total roll rates, but delinquency cure rates as well, according to Managing Director Roelof Slump.”

As one would expect, cure rates are even lower for Alt-A and subprime. More proof that this ain’t over, folks.

Comment by Leighsong
2009-08-24 09:14:51

LOL - Slump.

Ya just can’t make this stuff up!
Leigh

Comment by Neil
2009-08-24 16:11:10

Yea… if they said mortgage quality has gone from falling off a cliff to “diving into the depths of the pit of dispair,” it wouldn’t create green shoots.

Hmmm… Large down payment ready=leverage. :) I expect down payment requirements to keep growing. In my area (South Bay LA), no one seems able to secure mortage insurance above a $417k loan… but wait, there really isn’t anything to buy less than $500k… Gulp.

This isn’t over. Can someone please give my wife the memo? ;)

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-08-24 09:02:03

Whenever they say they are from the Government and are here to help, head for the hills:

BOSTON (TheStreet) — Americans with 401(k) retirement plans lost about $1 trillion in the stock-market crash. There was no hiding — few mutual funds were spared.

The latest bear market, following a tumultuous three-year decline earlier in the decade, has hobbled investors, setting back many to where they were more than 10 years ago. As a result, 401(k) plans’ inherent deficiencies were exposed, prompting lawsuits, government reviews and proposals for a new way to save for retirement. The 50% rise in the S&P 500 Index over the past few months has hardly helped.

Since they were established in 1978, 401(k)’s have grown in popularity and prominence. But the three-decade honeymoon seems to be over. On top of investment declines, there was plenty of insult to add to the injury.

Companies began slashing matching contributions, which once soothed the sting of lost pensions. Participants realized that, on paper, they had control over investment options, but were handcuffed by what was available and their own lack of financial literacy. Exorbitant fees mopped up tens of thousands of dollars of a lifetime of saving.

What gets lost in all of this is that 401(k)’s were never intended to be a primary retirement vehicle. So what now?

In Washington, the Obama administration is proposing to improve retirement plans by making sure more people participate. The president is calling for automatic enrollments for companies with 401(k) plans. Any business with 10 or more employees that doesn’t offer a plan would be required to automatically deduct contributions into an IRA account.

Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-08-24 09:06:24

That’s one way to prop up a stock market. Now if they just mandated that to participate in 401(k)s, you had to have a virtually no-fee cash equivalant and a super low-fee index fund available, and those were the only two default selections allowable, he might actually ‘help’ 401(k)s.

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 19:37:04

My friend who works at (GET A LOAD OF THIS –> ) the FED is pissed off because all the “retirement plan” options are risky.

 
 
Comment by Asparagus
2009-08-24 09:09:06

Yes!
Automatic enrollment into Dollar Cost Averaging!

After you lose your shirt when this latest run-up hits the wall, you’ll see the benefits of buying the SP500 at 650.

Don’t think, enroll.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 15:01:32

Bush wanted to do something quite similar 2 yrs ago.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 09:09:44

“The president is calling for automatic enrollments for companies with 401(k) plans.”

Buy stocks now, or get priced out forever!

Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-24 18:02:49

Why not? Many companies are making it mandatory for you to sign up for insurance and 401s as a requirement for being hired.

Good for the goose, good for the gander. (Damn. Now I’m hungry for some reason)

Don’t want to be taxed? Offer alternatives to your employees. Is that not a valid market solution?

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 19:32:53

Pretty soon they’ll be requiring you to buy a house as a condition of being hired.

 
 
Comment by Skip
2009-08-24 09:19:23

Automatic enrollment has been bandied about for several years now. Previously it was always talked about with new employees, perhaps they left out that part in the last paragraph.

 
Comment by Anon In DC
2009-08-24 09:28:30

Washington does not seem to understand you can’t tax your way to prosperity.

 
Comment by packman
2009-08-24 09:53:41

In-freaking-credible.

(shakes head)

The fact that such measures would even be *considered* to me shows me just how far gone Americans are with respect to financial independence. We will never get off the government tit.

 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-08-24 10:16:06

When are people going to wake up and stop sending their money to Washington and Wall Street for safe keeping?

Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-24 18:07:28

Ain’t gonna happen. Wall St. (aka FIRE) owns this country. DC is nothing but the front men.

You can elect politician, but you have no control over board of directors, lobbyists and the wealthy people who control all 3.

Hence, Corporate Communist Capitalism©®™.

You have problem with this comrade?

 
 
Comment by Jon
2009-08-24 10:28:36

This just shows that there is no difference between Repubs and dems. This is nothing but a direct transfer of wealth from working folks to wall st gangsters.

Comment by cobaltblue
2009-08-24 11:14:28

So far as Wall Street is concerned, bingo.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 11:37:41

Wall Street to debt slaves:

“Serf’s up — come on in, as the water’s fine.”

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 19:35:14

It makes a good case for being an independent contractor such as a rural plumber.

 
 
 
Comment by Anon In DC
2009-08-24 09:19:32

Like most people I’ve slowed down my spending. Over the past year I have gone from renting a Blockbuster movie from about once a week to once a month. Especially since about the price went up about $1 per rental. Every time I have been in there in the past few months you get the hard sell - 10 movies for $10 good for a week. Except no good because you can only take out one at a time. The store is always empty compared to what it used be. BUT yesterday they gave me a coupon for a $1.99 rental. Even for new releases. :)

Comment by Kim
2009-08-24 09:29:29

We used Blockbuster twice in the last year. Our library has an excellent audio/visual department. We borrow all our movies there for free. We have to reserve ahead of time for a new release, but we don’t care.

A friend of mine swears by Hulu, but our computer isn’t connected to our television.

Comment by Asparagus
2009-08-24 09:54:06

We do the same. Our library has a different set-up. It’s a $1 for a week’s rental (documentaries are fee). 25 cents a day for late fees.

We did netflix for a while, which had a better selection, but for the price, the library can’t be beat.

 
Comment by Jon
2009-08-24 10:31:43

Our libraries of tons of great movies for free. Morons go out and buy movies on dvd, watch them once, and then give them to the libraries. We have multiple copies of almost every decent movie put out in the last 10 years.

Comment by Skip
2009-08-24 11:44:10

Skip

Yeah, if only all of those morons would stop doing that and just check them of the library for free like you do.

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Comment by michael
2009-08-24 12:21:15

i bought The Dark Knight…i couldn’t resist it. i had to see it ASAP.

to think…most folks feel that way about everything…i’m glad it was just a batman DVD in my case.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 10:39:45

I like Netflix.

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-24 10:51:14

I like an independent video shop staffed with assorted film / media geeks of all sorts and shapes and sizes!

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 15:04:53

Me too. Don’t have any around here, but would love some
educated insight as to what isn’t the latest, but the Greatest.

You ask anyone of the clerks if they have seen ’such and such’ and they are usually clueless.

 
 
Comment by michael
2009-08-24 12:23:20

i guess movies are one of my hobbies…i love netflix…i will love it more when i can watch their downloadable movies on my new Sony TV this fall. i may get rid of cable after that happens.

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Comment by CentralCoast Dude
2009-08-24 17:46:27

I know lots of people who have killed DISH and are NetFlix addicts. I just finished season 1 of LOST in 7 days!! Love it!!! TV are just for playing movies.

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 13:36:45

I hate Netflix. It has nothing to do with their service- I don’t use it, but their f**king pop-up windows harsh my internet buzz. Any company who blatantly disrupts my peace by trying to slam their product down my throat gets an F-.

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Comment by wolfgirl
2009-08-24 10:53:26

Hulu is good. We watch on computer.

 
 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-08-24 12:15:52

6TB of disk + bittorrent

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 12:39:12

Yes, bit-torrent is a fav. And did you know that newwegg has great prices on DVD blanks? ;)

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 15:06:21

Craigslist is a good place to find superduper cheap dvds.
People don’t know where to unload their old movies.

But libraries rock.

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Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 19:39:12

Heck, who needs movies when we’ve got HBB.

 
 
Comment by SaladSD
2009-08-24 09:19:43

Here’s a review regarding a new book about Bernie Madoff that I think ya’lll will enjoy:

Madoff’s Other Secret: Love, Money, Bernie, and Me
Sheryl Weinstein. St. Martin’s, $23.99 (205p) ISBN 978-0-312-61837-7
Based on Sheryl Weinstein’s experience, any woman lusting after her broker should consider the cable guy. Bernie Madoff, Ponzi schemer, swindler extraordinaire (according to Weinstein, in 1995, “about 10% of the volume on the New York Stock Exchange was apparently going through Bernie’s firm”), doesn’t have a lot to say for himself in this memoir by the woman with whom he had a 20-year relationship. To call her a mistress is generous: their eventual coupling took a long time to happen, did not happen very often and aside from his facial and body tics, we’re told that Madoff had a penis so small that “it would fit easily inside the opening of a single-serving honey jar” that sits on a hotel room service breakfast tray. Weinstein and Madoff met in 1988 when Weinstein was 39, and an anonomyous French donor had given Hadassah, where Weinstein was CFO, $7 million with the stipulation that Madoff handle the investments. The fact that Madoff would not be available for questioning by the financial advisory board was easily pushed aside, and Hadassah went on to give Madoff more of its money when the “magical returns” began to pour in. In 1992, Weinstein asked Madoff to take over her personal portfolio, noting, “He’d been earning consistent returns of between 18 and 20 percent for Haddash since 1988.” Weinstein’s account of their ‘friendship” is simply told and contradictory in places (despite his tiny penis, sex with Bernie was “surprisingly exciting”; she was uncomfortable that Bernie would not speak to Hadassah’s financial advisory board, but says earlier that she wasn’t overly concerned; she claims she was trying to end the relationship while Bernie wanted it to work yet at their last tryst, he rebuffs her; she thought a boyfriend would be a first step in getting out of her emotionally abusive marriage, but claims neither she nor Bernie were ever planning to leave their spouses. We learn Bernie was a stingy tipper, a narcissist, a name-dropper, that Weinstein set fires and shoplifted as a young girl and was molested by an uncle when she was 10. Ultimately, though, Weinstein comes across as romantically naive, sincere, honest and yes, greedy, eventually mortgaging her apartment to give Madoff more of her own money to invest. Weinstein does not come across as vindictive or vengeful, though she calls Madoff a monster when she delivers a victim impact statement at his sentencing in 2009. The book reads like a fascinating conversation one might have with a stranger at a shared table in a cafe. It’s a quick read and sadly, will sound familiar, which is where its value lies. Change the characters and the numbers, and it happens every day. (Aug. 25)

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-24 09:40:07

Very entertaining review. Although I beg to differ with its author. I think the description of penis size is a teeny bit vindictive.

Comment by exeter
2009-08-24 09:45:36

Sheryl Weinstein’s account of their ‘friendship” is simply told and contradictory in places (despite his tiny penis, sex with Bernie was “surprisingly exciting”

He must be a democrat. Right?

Comment by X-philly
2009-08-24 10:34:53

“it would fit easily inside the opening of a single-serving honey jar”

Holy crap that’s small.

I don’t think he’s a democrat, though. I dated a democrat once. His thang would fit into a Hellman’s mayonaisse jar - family size.

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Comment by exeter
2009-08-24 10:45:42

If he were a republican we’d be reading how he was with animals or kids or some other freakish, closeted, caligula type scene.

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-08-24 11:18:59

If he were a Repub the NY Times and Daily Kos would have been running it non-stop instead of being dead silent about it.

 
Comment by X-philly
2009-08-24 12:45:42

speaking of kitchen staples -

did you know that “Julie and Julia ”
movie was born out of a blogger’s diary - maybe our fearless HBB leader will make it to the silver screen some day. Don’t know if Norah Ephron is the best writer for the job though.
This is one long link

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 15:10:35

If he were a Repub

we wouldn’t hear it at all from msm.

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-24 14:46:39

Hitler - he only has one ball!
Goering has two but they are small
Himmler…has something sim’ler
And Doctor Goebels has no balls at all!

Col. Bogie would be proud.

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 19:41:34

I used to know that one, Dennis. Been a long time since I heard it. Thanks.

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Comment by kirisdad
2009-08-24 10:13:41

‘consistent 18-20 percent returns’ I’m sorry, but these victims are as greedy as he was.

Comment by slb
2009-08-24 11:01:32

And ‘victim’ Sheryl Weinstein is greedier than most since she hopes to recoup ‘her’ lost $ by airing her dirty laundry in her tell all book. BTW, she remains married to the ‘emotionally abusive’ husband who’s money she gave to the man she f***ed.

Can someone clarify re the one serving honey jar thing - I’m having trouble visualizing this - we’re not talking about those little packet thingies that are about the size of 2 stamps?

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-24 12:06:21

Yes. But remember what Maria sings:

youtube.com/watch?v=f1h_b6q08HA&feature=related

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Comment by SaladSD
2009-08-24 12:51:47

Actually, just had dinner at a nice restaurant Saturday night and someone ordered tea and was served one of those honey-jars. They’re about 2 inches tall, and about an inch wide. Not to be confused with an angry inch…. Google: single serving honey jar.

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Comment by X-philly
2009-08-24 13:24:27

Author Weinstein just threw that out there to sell some books. That’s one of those factoids that are impossible to confirm. (like what I said about the mayo jar was a fabrication. Just funnin’ on a boring work Monday). And who uses food containers as a point of reference anyway? I think Janice Dickinson started it all when she compared Liam Neeson’s to an Evian bottle.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-24 15:34:33

“bigger than a pay phone, smaller than a Cadillac”
–John Holmes

 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 15:11:59

slb, you need to check into a more expensive hotel and order room service just 1x.
The visual will never leave you!

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Comment by slb
2009-08-24 22:57:09

Hehehe perhaps with the right companion, let’s see, honey or mayo.

 
 
 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 19:33:11

“…their eventual coupling took a long time to happen, did not happen very often and aside from his facial and body tics, we’re told that Madoff had a penis so small that “it would fit easily inside the opening of a single-serving honey jar” that sits on a hotel room service breakfast tray.”

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHAAAAAAA!!!!

I can’t believe I missed this gem. Ahahahaha! Bernie had everything money could buy, but was hung like a fruit fly. Ahhhh, that is just excellent! I suspect this ’shortcoming’ had a lot to do with his greed. Priceless.

 
 
Comment by Anon In DC
2009-08-24 09:26:11

Not to drift too far into politics but yesterday Sen Joe Liberman said hold the horse on massive health care reform - not during a recession. Not quite let’s fix the economy first before spending more money. But the closest thing to it I have heard. Gee someone in DC might actually recognize the country is flat broke and in debt to its eyeballs.

NYCityBoy yesterday you said you like Pilsner Urquell. Yep it’s great. My elderly neighbor thought he was odering 6 bottles ( he oders groceries on the internet) but ended up with 6 sixpacks. So we’ve been enjoying them all summer.

Comment by palmetto
2009-08-24 09:38:56

I’m all for fixing health care in the country. But not now. Because it seems they want to follow the Romney model. Force people who can’t afford it, to pay for it. Not a big fan of Lieberman, but I agree with him. Now is not the time. Bammy should be cleaning up the financial sector, re-regulating, scouring the former administration, etc.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 15:15:04

Fortunately or unfortunately, that is not what he ran on.
His backers and the majority wanted him to fix the health care.

AND as you know, most of america is still clueless to the financial problems the US is having, so for middle americans to grasp this and his supporters to relinquish this would take a huge education for many. Of which there are only a “few” of us, 1 HBB and no MSM that will tell the truth.

LIE berman is a scumbucket. He only comes forth when it serves HIM.

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 19:44:49

He ran on a lot of things, but (I thought) mostly on being Not Bush and on having Not Started War in Iraq.

He ran on “affordable” health care among other things. Certainly the Romney model has not led to affordable health care.

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Comment by Asparagus
2009-08-24 09:56:11

You can order beer online from the grocery store!

No wonder DC home prices are so high. Now that makes sense.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 10:00:01

Maxine on the Health Care…

“Hell, back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They failed and it closed. Now we are trusting the economy of our country, our banking system, our auto industry and possibly our health plans to the same nit-wits who couldn’t make money running a whore house and selling whiskey!”

Comment by DennisN
2009-08-24 11:04:36

Maxine Waters said that? :eek:

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-24 10:07:09

I re-registered Democrat in 2004 so I could vote for Joe in the CA primary. An interesting alt-history thought: had Joe won the Democrat nomination in 2004, he probably would have beat Bush. Many people in the middle voted for Bush only because Kerry was such a leftie and at least they felt comfortable with Bush.

Joe would be in his second term now. I wonder what shape the country would be in now.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 15:16:15

BS

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-08-24 10:59:54

LIEberman is simply wrong again, no surprise. It’s readily apparent the problems with the economy aren’t going to be resolved any time soon. Health care in this country is headed toward collapse. Waiting to do something about health care until the economy is healthy is not an acceptable option. Changes to health care are a necessary part of the long overdue restructuring of the American economy. Both need to happen sooner rather than later.

Comment by palmetto
2009-08-24 11:04:31

If healthcare reform consisted of an expansion of Medicare, I’d be all for it. Or if they’d just give people the same options that Federal employees have, that’d be OK with me.

Comment by SDGreg
2009-08-24 17:13:27

If healthcare reform consisted of an expansion of Medicare, I’d be all for it.

That’s essentially what H.R. 676 does.

Or if they’d just give people the same options that Federal employees have, that’d be OK with me.

While this is what I have now, I don’t favor this approach. Costs are rising too fast and coverage is gradually shrinking. It comes with most of the baggage of the private plans except for pre-existing condition clauses. This would at best be a short term solution.

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Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-08-24 11:16:08

Sorry to intrude some reality into this discussion, but….
Socialized sickenss plans do not work.
Here is a perfect example of this. MA has the HIGHEST premiums for health care in the nation.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/08/22/bay_state_health_insurance_premiums_highest_in_country/
Yet, we continue down this path. Is the current system broken? Absolutely. Are there better approaches to fixing it? Absolutely.
Yet people stubbornly believe that the way to go is for a government provided health care system. The result is that people who actually pay into the system diminish, and the people who use the system goes way up.
What is happening in MA is that companies no longer are providing health care for their employees, as the “fine” for not doing it, is peanuts compared to the cost of providing it, leading to a vicious circle of less people having health care, and more people needing the state provided one.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-24 16:11:58

We have universal health care now, do we not? I mean, no one dies on the side of the road because they have no insurance. They just get their health care at the emergency room, and get little or no preventive care. We just have the most expensive, least effective, least pleasant kind of universal health care.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-24 18:19:33

“I mean, no one dies on the side of the road because they have no insurance.”

You’re right. But they do die from illness and diseases that require and can only be cured by long term treatment.

You see, we already have “death panels.” They’re called HMOs.

 
Comment by LA-Architect
2009-08-24 20:12:06

Australia has a great hybrid system of health care. Every citizen & permanent resident is entitled to public health care. For catastrophic care the public system is best. Everyone also has the choice to get private health coverage in addition. This essentially gives you greater choice and no wait times (for elective surgery).

You get taxed 1.5% for Medicare (which is reasonable IMHO).

Once over 30, you are expected to buy private health insurance and if you don’t you are penalized (again, it’s not a large amount). Anyway, the system works and it works well!

Costs are way cheaper across the board because the government is able to use it’s power and bring the costs down. This is a good thing for the people. If you are a big Health Insurance CEO you might not like this!

 
 
 
 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-08-24 12:05:51

NYCityBoy yesterday you said you like Pilsner Urquell. Yep it’s great. My elderly neighbor thought he was odering 6 bottles ( he oders groceries on the internet) but ended up with 6 sixpacks. So we’ve been enjoying them all summer.

It takes you a summer to down 6 6-packs? WTF? Don’t take this the wrong way but I’m ashamed to be on the same blog with you.

Comment by michael
2009-08-24 12:28:49

+1

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 12:40:31

+ 6 (pack)

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 13:45:20

“It takes you a summer to down 6 6-packs? WTF? Don’t take this the wrong way but I’m ashamed to be on the same blog with you.”

I don’t drink at all. That must really disturb you. Alas, I’ve never admired drunks. Don’t get me wrong, I spent my late teens and twenties drinking as much as the next guy, but I realized that the road to misery is paved with empty bottles, diseased livers, and failed relationships. Glad I woke up. A few of my old friends are already dirt napping.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-24 14:30:53

Grizzly, it doesn’t disturb me at all that you don’t drink at all—in fact, that’s great, cause it leaves more beer for me! :-)

When I saw the original post, my thought was similar to NYCityBoy’s, though: 6 6-packs sounds like a few weeks to me! I actually don’t think I drink excessively either (except on chosen occassions); but a couple of beers a night == two six-packs a week. I don’t even get a buzz when I nurse two beers over 4hrs!

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 15:40:35

—in fact, that’s great, cause it leaves more beer for me! :-)

Hahaha! Nice, primey. :)

 
 
 
Comment by Anon In DC
2009-08-24 15:16:29

Ha Ha Ha Ha. Gosh you made me laugh very loud and hard. I have not stopped by the neighbor’s house but maybe every couple of weeks. He drinks one beer at a time. He’s about 90 years old. I generally limit myself to 2 drinks max. When a bit younger I could raise a lot hell and managed to live through it. Am older (46) and wiser.

At 20 the will reigns, at 30 the wit, at 40 the judgement - Poor Richard’s Almanac, Ben Franklin

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 09:35:55

Angry riders protest Detroit bus cuts.
The Detroit News, August 24, 2009

Detroit — About 250 residents at a public hearing this morning protested plans to end bus service in the city on Sundays, halt it after 6 p.m. on Saturdays and drastically modify more than a dozen other routes to save money.

“Cutting service like that, a lot of us are going to lose our jobs,” said Sara Coleman, who lives in the city and works in Harper Woods.

“I work Saturday. I work Sundays,” she said.

City officials spent 20 minutes outlining the changes, but were interrupted by hecklers at Wayne County Community College’s campus on Conner who shouted, “How am I going to get to work?” and “You can’t do that.” The city’s chief administration officer, Charlie Beckham, said there is no choice. The city has an accumulated budget deficit of about $300 million and is proposing numerous cuts, wage reductions and layoffs. Department of Transportation officials noted that fares pay just 17 percent of operating costs for the $80 million department. The system served 116,511 riders on weekdays in July, nearly 68,000 on Saturdays and nearly 43,000 on Sundays.

“We find ourselves in an extremely unprecedented financial environment,” Beckham said. “That is what is driving this.”

Lavette Williams, interim director of transportation and a 29-year city employee, said “this is the worst I’ve ever seen the financial condition here. Something is going to have to change.”

This week, 113 drivers are set to lose their jobs. Beckham said those will be the least senior drivers and are the ones who are assigned to the weekend routes slated for elimination.

Comment by Jon
2009-08-24 10:36:21

You may lose your job, but at least your taxes won’t go up! Sounds like a solid job by local govt to me.

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-08-24 12:49:58

Maybe a few drivers should buy a few older vans, and start their own transport taxi thing.

Comment by tresho
2009-08-24 15:13:15

Maybe a few drivers should buy a few older vans, and start their own transport taxi thing. Detroit probably has laws & taxes that militate against that obvious solution.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 09:47:46

“My choices in life were either to be a piano player in a whore house or a
politician. And to tell the truth, there’s hardly any difference”

- Harry Truman

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-08-24 17:37:15

How long does it take to learn how to play the piano?

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 18:37:29

Until you start learning, think of some good tunes/songs you might want to play!

 
 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-24 10:02:57

joeyinCalif wrote something last week that I thought was worth of a re-post; he posted it after midnight, so very few probably saw it. It struck me as insightful:

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-08-18 02:04:52
Why don’t people learn? It’s been said before.

I’ll always believe the bubble was a mania.. a communicable sickness.. a psychological infirmity that germinated under peculiar circumstances, developed quickly, mutated and spread across the globe. It was not a conscious effort.

I believe we witnessed an exhibit of some less admirable traits of human nature, disconnected from human reasoning. Things like jealousy, anger, greed, love and fear..

Innate qualities we, as a species, have no control over were (and continue to be) responsible for our seemingly senseless, destructive patterns of economic behavior. These base qualities are programmed in our genetic makeup and will not be altered by experience or knowledge.

I do believe people are basically good, and if the things that define human nature could “learn” from experience we’d never have another war.. never experience another bubble.. After a million years there would probably be no hunger in the world… no crime.. But it ain’t gonna happen… because we are little more than clever animals.

We have, broadly speaking, “domesticated” ourselves that we might live in harmony while within killing range of each other, but only for the sake of our survival. And although clothed in this relatively peaceful, cooperative veneer, at the core we remain dangerous, unpredictable, primitive wild animals none the less.
—–
In short.. one shouldn’t overestimate the power of intelligence.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-24 12:10:30

BTW, to clarify: the thing I really liked about it was the description of the mania as a “communicable sickness”, and the idea that somewhere in our basic genetic programming lurks something that makes us intrinsically inclined to have the bouts of group-think-insanity.

I’ve wondered the same thing, joey. When I watch a HUGE flock of birds turn on a dime—one second going one way, and the next the whole flock is going the other way, I wonder whether there is something that contributes to this deep in their DNA.

And I’ve wondered the same thing about homo sapiens. Are we fundamentally geared to accept and pass along ideas based on the short-term things we see around us, making it simple human nature that mania and bubbles form? I suspect that that is the case.

Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-08-24 12:53:29

I remember reading a book by Douglas Rushkoff about this. It’s true, people do things in crowds that they don’t do alone.

(Book was about marketing tactics if I can remember right. Cohersion(sp) ?

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-08-24 18:34:27

Were I to do it over, I’d use different words and avoid the negative connotations associated with a sickness. “Communicable sickness” was useful in that it denotes our lack of means to control or prevent it’s spread.
Herd behaviors must be positive influences on the whole or herd animals, including ourselves, would probably be extinct.
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After a shark attack, seals will crowd together on a rock and wait.. what do they wait for? They cannot know if the sharks have left the area. They wait until a seal loses it’s footing or is knocked off by a wave, or for some reason falls in the water. Then they all jump in.

The rock offers safety, but the water offers food. Seals compete for food and the last one in is a rotten egg. That some of their number might instantly become food is a secondary concern.
—-

In the hierarchy of herd-behavior stimuli, whatever offers the individual animal some advantage over it’s companions, or at least offers an equal chance of survival usually trump those stimuli that deny it.

Fear, logic, sensibility, safety etc. certainly have their uses but if everyone jumps in the water it’s hard not to follow the herd.

 
Comment by measton
2009-08-24 19:28:45

BTW, to clarify: the thing I really liked about it was the description of the mania as a “communicable sickness”, and the idea that somewhere in our basic genetic programming lurks something that makes us intrinsically inclined to have the bouts of group-think-insanity.

Well Duhhh - Religious and political leaders bank on this.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 19:51:51

We here at HBB were lucky to have formed our own contrary herd subscribing to a different group-think.

Now the only question is, when will OUR group-think become counter-productive?

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 10:10:56

Exterran begins layoff of 274 workers
Houston Business Journal

Exterran Holdings Inc. has informed the Texas Workforce Commission that it will lay off 274 employees, or 3 percent of its work force, from four of its facilities — two of which the company plans to close.

In a letter to the TWC, the Houston natural gas compression company wrote that its Exterran Energy Solutions LP unit would close its Schulenburg and Columbus, Texas, manufacturing facilities and, as a result, lay off 73 employees.

In Houston, the company will lay off 79 employees from its Brittmore facility and 122 employees from its North Houston Rosslyn facility.

“Regrettably, the layoffs will be permanent,” Chris Michel, senior vice president of global human resources, wrote in the letter to the TWC. “The layoffs have been necessitated by the current market slowdown and the consequent negative impact on the demand for Exterran’s products and services.”

Earlier this month, Exterran reported a net loss of $530.8 million, or $8.66 per share, for the second-quarter ended June 30, 2009. That compared with a net loss of $59.4 million, or 97 cents per share, for the same quarter in 2008.

Results included a $343.3 million charge related to the company’s surrender of its wholly-owned assets and operations in Venezuela.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 10:18:58

The New York Times, in a 1909 editorial opposing the very first income tax, predicted:

“When men get in the habit of helping themselves to the property of others, they cannot easily be cured of it.”

Comment by packman
2009-08-24 10:45:24

As a point of reference:
- The first income tax (in 1913) was 1% for the lowest bracket, 7% for highest bracket.
- Lowest bracket started at $20k ($440,000 in today’s dollars); highest was $500k ($11,000,000 in today’s dollars).
- Personal exemption was $3k for individual, $4k for married.

So when the federal income tax was introduce it was very much geared only toward the ultra-rich; the middle class paid none.

My how things change.

Comment by GH
2009-08-24 12:16:57

The middle class are the “cash cows” of tax policy. Too bad they are busy killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Middle class is vanishing like many other soon to be extinct species on the planet.

 
Comment by measton
2009-08-24 19:34:55

In 1913 the wealth distribution had to be huge. Standard Oil was just broken up after rapping the US. I suspect middle class then had food basic shelter clothes and not much more.

 
 
Comment by Skip
2009-08-24 14:04:09

Well, the NY Times was pretty late with that editorial. :-)

The first Federal income tax was imposed in 1861 during the Civil War and the rate was was 3% on income above $800 and 5% on income of individuals living outside the country. Income tax lasted until only 1866.

Evidently, men are easily cured of helping themselves to the property of others.

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-08-24 18:01:32

It probably helped that it was unconstitutional back then.

 
 
Comment by CrackerJim
2009-08-24 14:05:09

Oh my! How the Times have changed!

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 19:54:01

LOL ! Good one, Cracker.

 
 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-08-24 10:24:16

The White House revealed that it hired a private communications firm to distribute mass e-mails, including unsolicited spam to help sell President Obama’s health care plan.

The White House hired a private communications company based in Minnesota to distribute mass e-mails, helping to shed light on how some recipients received e-mails in support of President Obama’s health care plan without signing up for them.

The company, Govdelivery, describes itself as the world’s leading provider of government-to-citizen communication solutions and says its e-mail service provides a fully-automated on-demand public communication system.

It is still unknown how much taxpayer money the White House provides to Govdelivery for its services.

The revelation comes after the White House acknowledged this week that people were receiving unsolicited e-mails from the administration about health care reform and suggested the problem was with third-party groups that placed the recipients’ names on the distribution list.

Republicans quickly pounced on the news.

“This is yet another ominous chapter in the administration’s rabid campaign to jam its radical health care scheme onto an unwilling public by any means necessary,” Rep. Thaddeus McCotter of Michigan said in a statement.

Govdelivery sent hundreds of e-mails from senior adviser David Axelrod asking supporters to help rebut criticism of Obama’s health care plan circulating on the Internet. It also sent e-mails highlighting Obama’s speech to the Muslim world in Cairo and the announcement of Sonia Sotomayor as a Supreme Court nominee.

Several FOX News viewers complained they received these e-mails even though they had never requested any communication from the White House.

On Monday, the White House implemented several new changes to its Web site, apparently aimed at reducing the number of people who receive unsolicited e-mails and at fighting charges that it’s collecting personal information on critics.

Comment by Asparagus
2009-08-24 10:57:06

When they go to cold-calling, they should outsource that stuff to Bangkok or India. It would probably be cheaper.

 
Comment by packman
2009-08-24 10:57:42

Orwell must be laaaauuuughing right now…

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-24 13:39:25

“Govdelivery, describes itself as the world’s leading provider of government-to-citizen communication…”

No kidding! Does the company’s self-description sound omnious or what?

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-08-24 11:01:36

As Lieberman has expressed, the timing of healthcare reform is really bad, not to mention that it has been poorly planned and communicated.

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 10:57:10

Report: Goldman providing tips to certain clients

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_goldman_sachs_tips

Comment by packman
2009-08-24 11:36:46

“Brokerage firms have the right to share their information with various clients as they wish, so long as their analysts’ stock recommendations distributed publicly don’t contradict what they say internally, said Donald Langevoort, a former SEC special counsel who teaches securities law at Georgetown University.”

This is probably true, but I’m guessing this rule is based on the cutely-obsolete premise that the brokerage firms don’t have access to (or actually create) inside information.

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 10:58:35

As Recession Eases, No Escape for Hong Kong’s Cage Dwellers

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20090824/wl_time/08599191789700

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-24 11:09:49

Remember guys, this is a Bits Bucket, so a little open season here. :)

I am kind of half-a** fighting to get my job back. I miss the people I work with, and it seems like they miss me. The economy is bad, ( I am a lawyer and fight with BOSS is get rid of crqp of cases. He is one tough SOB, but hasn’t replace me, yet. Maybe I was wrong.

Funny, how when bad times happen different people go to different places. So, I went to my friends, and the Beatles. The Beatles, (in my humble opinion, and I saw them, age 5) are the best musical group in history. Sir Paul McCartney released an outstanding at age 67 song, Sing The Changes, and here is George, dying of cancer. Both very worthy of listening. Thanks Sir Paul, and Than You to George.

Never slept so little
Never smoked so much
Lost my concentration I could even lose my touch
Talking to myself
Crying out loud
Only I can hear me
I’m stuck inside a cloud

I made some exhibition
I lost my will to eat
The only thing that matters to me is to touch your lotus feet
Talking to myself
Crying out loud

Only I can hear me
I’m stuck inside a cloud
Talking to myself
Crying out loud
Only I can hear me
And I’m stuck inside a cloud

Talking to myself
Crying out loud
Only I can hear me
I’m stuck inside a cloud

Never been so crazy
But I’ve never felt so sure
I wish I had the answer to give
Don’t even have the cure

Just talking to myself crying as we part
Knowing as you leave me
I also lose my heart
Talking to myself crying as we part
Knowing as you leave me
I also lose my heart

Comment by palmetto
2009-08-24 11:34:19

ATE, are you OK? Just askin’. Yer pal, Palmy

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-24 12:33:25

Thanks for asking Palmy. I’ll make it, but it is a little rough. Also, we have to connect some day. You be my buddy, always. Glad Bill skipped you too.

Comment by lavi d
2009-08-24 17:00:50

I’ll make it, but it is a little rough.

The eagle picks my eye
the worm he licks my bone
feel so suicidal
even hate my rock and roll

Hang in there, Eight Man!

I am the Eight Man!
I am the Walrus!

Goo gooey duck!

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-24 18:38:45

lavi: Black Cloud cross my mind. Ain’t you Cool.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-08-24 14:25:22

ATE, sorry to hear about the job-loss; I must have missed the thread when you mentioned it happening. I hope you work it out! Anyway, keep your chin up, man…

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-24 15:40:50

Thank You Prime. It means a lot to me, and we are all in the smae boat.

Actually, I am at fault here too (bull-headed) about 35% at fault. No Mas. (Roberto Duran v. Ray Leonard, 1983).

Seriously, though thank you. :)

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-24 16:03:02

Oly? How do you spell smae?

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Comment by wolfgirl
2009-08-24 16:52:13

I’m just glad to know some honorable lawyers. My brother soured me on the profession.

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-24 17:14:37

wolf (purt lady) : Thank you! :)

Give me credit only this way, I work hard, and care about my babies. I don’t control the rest. I am an ex-crack-head, even 16 years clean, a person still pays for it, regulary. Also, I deserve it.

And, most people are cool and give you a break! It is not that bad out there, really it isn’t.

I look at it this way. i am dealing with the slop I made/left. Simple, except for the tangential fight.

Thanks, wolf.

 
 
 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-24 16:22:55

Ate-Up,

You need to do what is going to make you happy. You need to take care of yourself.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-24 17:04:59

Like I always said, you are High Quality. I will say that forever.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-24 19:28:19

Ate-Up,

So are you (high quality)

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-24 17:06:47

Hey ATE– Sorry to hear about the job loss. May be worth an apology to the boss if it gets your job back, or confirms you won’t be getting it back.
I have lawyer friends who have done well as temps. Have more say over what types of work they accept, and get to stay (mostly) out of office politics. It’s a great way to ‘network’ and sometimes leads to more permanent employment. May be worth looking into.
And you’ve always got your HBB buds.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-24 17:17:44

Thank you alpha, and I am in that process. That you took the time to respond, I forced my tired hands to write back. That is what friends are for.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 18:44:27

NEVER go back to a job you disliked and quit. Bad move. I did it once because the owner cried and begged me back. While there were promises, in the long run nothing ever changed. It was a mistake and a learning experience I’ll never forget.

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-26 03:30:28

Sometimes there are exceptions. I quit my job in 1992 because nobody was doing any work, and I felt like I was carrying the entire company on my shoulders. Two months later, was called back by the owner, after they had fired every single person there. They gave me a very nice raise, let me choose my own schedule, and I was pretty untouchable after that (they realized who was doing all the work after I had left). Anyway, spent another very good and satisfying 4-5 years after that.

ATE-UP,

I wish you the very, very best of luck, whatever you choose to do. It might not be a bad idea to try to get your job back. Just MHO.

Good luck!!! :)

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-24 11:11:31

crqp= crap and to=too

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 11:18:04

Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Shares Rise As Financial Sector Rallies
Dow Jones News

Shares of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae rose sharply Monday, headlining another rally in financial shares but puzzling at least one analyst, who says the firms are insolvent and maintains a zero price target on their shares.
Fannie Mae (FNM) shares rose 45% Monday, and Freddie Mac (FRE) rose almost 30%.

“When buying Freddie and Fannie, people are speculating the government will leave the companies in their current form long enough so they can earn their way out of these losses,” Morningstar analyst Matthew Warren said on Monday. “I wouldn’t view this activity in Freddie and Fannie as investing. I would call it high-risk speculation.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 11:39:19

“I would call it high-risk speculation.”

As opposed to other stock market gambling investing?

 
Comment by Eddie
2009-08-24 17:51:27

Obama owns the banks. Obama owns GM.

Buying financial and/or GM is like buying savings bonds in terms of safety but with 50% returns. I bought XLF at 9 and and change. It is now closing in on 15.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 11:33:16

Woman sues zoo over splashing dolphins.

CHICAGO (Reuters) - A woman is suing a Chicago-area zoo for a 2008 fall near a dolphin exhibit, accusing zookeepers of encouraging the mammals to splash water and then failing to protect spectators from wet surfaces, local media reported on Thursday.

In her suit filed earlier this week, Allecyn Edwards said she was injured while walking near an exhibit at Brookfield Zoo, where a group of Atlantic bottlenose dolphins were performing, media said.

Officials “recklessly and willfully trained and encouraged the dolphins to throw water at the spectators in the stands, making the floor wet and slippery,” but failed to post warning signs or lay down protective mats or strips, the suit said, according to the reports.

Edwards is demanding more than $50,000 for lost wages, medical expenses and emotional trauma from the Chicago Zoological Society and the Forest Preserve District of Cook County, which operate the zoo in Chicago’s southwest suburbs.

Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-08-24 12:58:46

Pic? Is Edwards as big as a whale?

Comment by Kim
2009-08-24 15:13:19

Sure sounds like she’s dumber than one.

 
 
Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-08-24 13:03:55

Maybe it’s just me but I Kinda want to smack her upside the dead with a dead fish.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-24 15:42:41

No, it’s me, too.
A nice big frozen one.

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-08-24 13:18:48

Used to be supermakets were the preferred defendants in the Slippin Sue lawsuit industry.

Now it’s turned into a real zoo.

Comment by Skip
2009-08-24 14:08:28

Cameras make for a compelling witness at trial.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-24 16:24:54

Too funny cobalt.

Comment by cobaltblue
2009-08-24 17:35:54

SF Gal,

Some laughter here, some insights there, pretty soon Ben has the best blog on the planet!

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Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 11:54:52

Taylor, Bean & Whitaker Files Chapter 11 Bankruptcy.

Aug. 24 (Bloomberg) — Taylor, Bean & Whitaker Mortgage Corp. said it has filed for relief under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 11:56:27

Report: 47 states lose construction jobs in July.
AGC SmartBrief | 08/24/2009

The number of construction jobs declined in 47 states in July, according to a report by the Associated General Contractors of America. “There aren’t a lot of places construction workers can turn to avoid the steep layoffs sweeping the construction industry right now,” AGC Chief Executive Stephen E. Sandherr said.

“Sadly, construction workers are feeling the full impact of declining state spending, a near halt in office and retail construction and stimulus spending that — with too many programs — has yet to materialize.” Arizona suffered the worst decline, with a 28% drop in construction employment.

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 20:10:52

For a bit more detail on this than what appears in SmartBrief, go to the Fresno Business Journal.

The states with increases in construction jobs were LA and ND; MS was unchanged. Maybe the LA and MS stability has to do with post-Katrina reconstruction finally getting underway? What’s going on in North Dakota, I wonder?

The declines cited are YOY (that’s why I wanted to look at the article, to make sure that AZ being worst wasn’t just a weather thing…which it could be, if the declines were MOM)

Comment by dude
2009-08-25 18:31:16

ND=natural gas

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 12:09:14

H1N1 flu “serious health threat” to U.S.: White House
Mon Aug 24, 2009

OAK BLUFFS, Massachusetts (Reuters) - The H1N1 flu poses a serious health threat to the United States, the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology said in a report released on Monday.

“The report says the current strain ‘poses a serious health threat’ to the nation. The issue is not that the virus is more deadly than other flu strains, but rather that it is likely to infect more people than usual because it is a new strain against which few people have immunity,” the White House said.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 15:26:03

Methinks it is a set up, to the extent they are scaring us.

Sorry, Oly, I am using the tin foil from my stove top.

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-24 16:00:24

I try to avoid falling for the fear as mass persuasion thing. (Anybody see the BBC series of a few years ago, “The Power or Nightmares?”)

My new neighbor just got back from a couple of years working in China. Before he left China finally, he went out for a few weeks on holiday to Vietnam and Bali. He showed me photos he took on the plane after it landed back in China - full contamination suits taking the temperature of the passengers. If anyone had had a fever, ALL the passengers would have been quarantined.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 18:43:40

Saw this on every Japanese visit this past spring.

Hazmat suits and temperature gages on the planes for the crews and every single passenger.

And in the customs arrival area, there is a tv on a stand that determines temperatures of passing passengers hoping to enter their country. Most do not know what those tvs are doing, but that is it.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 16:33:19

“Methinks it is a set up, to the extent they are scaring us”.

As does a cousin of mine, to the report of 90,000 possible deaths…

“How do they KNOW this? I suspect it’s a scare tactic to get everyone inoculated with mercury-laden mystery substances that will KILL more people than the flu will! This is outrageous fear-mongering to get people to take the shots”.

I am not taking a shot.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-24 17:56:03

I think it poses a threat in that so many get it. They’re not saying to dig mass graves, but if x% of the population gets it, schools and businesses will close, and the weakened economy may get a nail in the noggin’. (Be a great excuse for the next dip, if nothing else.)

 
 
Comment by GH
2009-08-24 12:19:57

I read today in a case involving some software theft allegations against an ex Goldman programmer that they are buying shares on one market and instantly selling on another to take advantage of the tiny time lags between systems. This sounds like an outrageous fraud to me in that they know they can buy a stock for $1.00 and instantly get $1.01 - guaranteed!

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-26 03:36:52

Arbitrage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrage

From what I know (which is very little), this is perfectly legal, though there might be some exceptions in there somewhere.

 
 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-24 12:22:27

My new neighbor just returned from a couple years working in China. Before he left China he went to Vietnam and Bali for a holiday. He showed me pictures he took inside the airplane that had just landed in China. People in full contamination suits were checking each passenger’s temperature. If anyone on the plane had had a fever, all the passengers would have gone into quarantine.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 15:27:20

They did that to us for a month this past spring, in Japan.
Every single aircraft was screened for temperature of psgrs,
crews etc.
Nothing new here.

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-24 16:11:17

Sorry for the double post. I thought that the lower one had been eaten.

It was new to me. Do you know what determines where they do and do not do that?

Hajj will be at the end of November this year, ending in early December. I wonder if there will be precautions taken for pilgrims on arrival or on their return to their home countries.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 18:45:39

hahhaa, I followed your lead and reposted. lol

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Comment by milkcrate
2009-08-24 12:38:26

Busy summer, today the first day of school, so some quiet has returned. Have been browsing Ben’s bits, though, and have enjoyed much of the chatter and insight.
Last spring, I was bleating like a goat about the REO shenanigans. I hope to pass along info I can obtain from comparing RealtyTrac info (I subscribe) to the MLS (not the Internet version, but the ‘proprietery’ version the UHS trade uses).
We’ve been going to some open houses, where sticky prices have not adjusted. The wide bid-ask gap, FPSS might call it.
“Are you looking to buy,” the UHS asks me, “or are you just looking?”
She has sized me up by my jeans and Subaru, she thinks.
“We’ve been looking off and on for 18 months,” I tell her, pausing. “We’ve saved a lot of money by not buying.”

Comment by X-philly
2009-08-24 12:55:39

Yesterday I went to an open house, a place I was really interested in. A young couple is selling due to relo. They did a pretty nice renovation of a little bungalow, LR: nice hardwood floors, added BR - OK. Walked into the kitchen - whoa! Should have had me shades on - the tile backsplash et al was stainless steel. The stainless steel tiling on the walls was so distracting, I couldn’t tell you much more about the kitchen itself. Well it was their personal taste and it’s going to burn them bad, because most buyers will price that tile OUT of the ask.

They’re anxious to sell they came down a whopping 5% from their already inflated wishing price.

(nice to see you back BTW)

Comment by eastcoaster
2009-08-24 13:28:03

I’m going to see a house tonight that has a stainless steel backsplash! Not tile, just a sheet of it. From the pics, I’m not crazy about it - will be interesting to see in person.

Comment by X-philly
2009-08-24 13:49:16

maybe if it’s confined to just the backsplash you could live with it.

But this place had it all under the cabinets, it was stainless steel surround sound. I felt like I was inside a meat locker.

Let us know what you think…

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 13:51:57

I can’t stand stainless sinks to begin with. A stainless backsplash might make me puke. Nothing beats a big, white, apron front cast iron farm sink.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2009-08-24 13:44:55

WOW you get a back spalsh how uppity.

Here in the Beeg Apple we don’t believe in back splashes heck we don’t even think you should be able to fit a turkey platter in the sink.

http://www.fusionlic.com/interiors/

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backsplash et al was stainless steel.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-24 15:30:15

Heck in NYC all you git is cockroach ‘backsplashes’. And cockroach tiles and cockroach flooring.

You get the picture, cockroaches everywhere. Least in the 70-80s you did.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2009-08-24 20:11:49

Old trick that worked

spray boric acid into all the cracks then caulk the whole apartment, they make brown caulk so it matches the wood floor. I didn’t care if i killed them, just wanted them to go to anther apartment and leave me da foook alone…

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cockroaches everywhere

 
 
 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-08-24 16:09:33

X….
Glad to be able to pull up a chair at the HBB table, where they are always serving. :)

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-08-24 16:28:37

Kitchens with stainless steel backsplashes are great if you run an autopsy or related “biz” or hobby from the home.

 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-08-24 14:54:50

Nice reply to UHS low lifes.

Milkcrate…. I’ve considered a subscription to realtytrac. Is it worth it? Do you get a broader scope and depth of the overall picture as a result of your subscription?

Comment by milkcrate
2009-08-24 16:17:02

Exeter…
I guess it depends what you are looking for.
It is good at pinpointing in a timely way NODs, auction dates and identifying bank-owned properties.
You can put their magnifying glass on anywhere in the country, which I find helpful and informative.
Where it falls short: keeping track of auctions; it lags noticably when REOs are sold; and teasing out data to identify trends can be frustrating.
In sum: Great for IDing distressed properties, but it will never replace the telephone when examining one property.

Comment by exeter
2009-08-24 17:04:26

Thank you Milkcrate.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-24 12:39:16

Anyone see that story floating around today about shoppers putting back-to-school notebooks, pens, pencils, and calculators on lay-a-way?

Whoa! That doesn’t bode well for the holidays if the peeps are having problems with basic school supplies!

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 20:13:31

Didn’t see it, but that’s hilarious.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 12:50:41

U.S. Stocks Fluctuate as SunTrust CEO Predicts More Bank Losses

Aug. 24 (Bloomberg) — U.S. stocks swung between gains and declines as financial institutions slumped after SunTrust Banks Inc. said lenders face more credit losses and commercial real estate may falter through 2010. Rallies in commodity prices had sent the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index higher earlier.

Banks in the S&P 500 fell 1.3 percent as SunTrust Chairman and Chief Executive Officer James Wells III said “the industry is a long way from declaring any sort of victory.” Ford Motor Co. declined 4.3 percent before the “cash for clunkers” program for cars expires today. Commodities and equities rallied globally as leaders of the biggest central banks buttressed confidence in the economic recovery.

The S&P 500 fell 0.3 percent to 1,023.11 at 3:11 p.m. in New York after earlier climbing as much as 0.9 percent. The Dow Jones Industrial Average declined 13.98 points, or 0.2 percent, to 9,491.98. The MSCI World Index of 23 developed nations advanced 0.5 percent. The UBS Bloomberg Constant Maturity Commodity Index increased 1.1 percent.

“Maybe we’re not completely out of the financial crisis,” said E. William Stone, who oversees $101 billion as chief investment strategist at PNC Wealth Management in Philadelphia. “We’ve had almost no economic data, plus light trading and a good week last week, so that may give people an itchy trigger finger to take profits if they sniff trouble.”

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-24 13:01:43

Hey, the smartest guys in the room are back.

“Remember me? Wall Street Repackages Toxic Debt.”

Financial gurus call it a “resecuritization of real estate mortgage investment conduits.” On Wall Street, it goes by the acronym Re-Remic (it rhymes with epidemic).

“It actually makes a lot of fundamental sense,” said Brian Bowes, the head of mortgage trading at Hexagon Securities in New York. “It’s taking a bond that doesn’t necessarily have a natural buyer and creating two bonds that might have a natural buyer for each.”

The risk is, if the housing market slips even more, even the AAA-rated investments may not prove safe. The deal also relies on the rating agencies, which misread the risk at the heart of the subprime mortgage crisis, to get it right.

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090824/ap_on_bi_ge/us_meltdown_deja_vu

Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-08-24 13:11:41

“The risk is, if the housing market slips even more, even the AAA-rated investments may not prove safe.”

Well smack my a$$ and call me judy. Whodathunkit

“resecuritization”

Hmmm. Hey guys! Just had a GREAT idea! Lets take this pile of rat turds we cant get rid of. Dust them off, put them in a nice new bag and call them rasins.

Anyone who falls for THAT one deserves what they get.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-08-24 17:39:06

AAA raisins from turds. Brilliant!

 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-08-24 17:45:26

Hello, Judy.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-08-24 17:59:37

Dang, Sleeper, thanks for the post. I’m laughing so hard I can barely breathe.

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-24 19:02:18

me too

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 13:43:43

Now that the bonus controversy has died down, time to try and “slip it in the back door” again…

Regarding the “appropriateness” of a $33 million dollar fine, it seems appropriate to compare to the order of magnitude of 2008 bonuses and losses at Merrill:

Proposed SEC settlement = $33 million

2008 Merrill executive bonuses = $3,600 million (109 times the proposed settlement amount)

2008 Merrill losses = $27.6 bn = $27,600 million (836 times the proposed settlement amount)

If you were the judge, would you agree that $33 million covers the damages?

BofA defends Merrill bonus settlement

Two weeks after a judge rejected an agreement with the SEC, Bank of America argues that the $33 million fine is appropriate.

By David Ellis, CNNMoney com staff writer
August 24, 2009: 4:19 PM ET

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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Bank of America defended the fairness of a proposed $33 million settlement it struck with federal regulators over the Merrill Lynch bonus scandal, according to a federal court filing submitted Monday.

The Charlotte, N.C.-based bank, which has been under intense scrutiny for the $3.6 billion in bonus payments made to Merrill executives earlier this year, maintained that the penalty it struck with the Securities and Exchange Commission this month represented a “constructive conclusion” to the situation.

Regulators claimed that Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500) had said in its proxy statement that it would not pay out bonuses to Merrill employees in fiscal year 2008, when, in fact, the bank authorized bonus payments of as much as $5.8 billion.

Of that allowance, $3.6 billion was paid out to more than 39,000 Merrill employees last year, averaging $91,000 per bonus. Merrill lost billions of dollars in 2008.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 16:28:54

Financial Times
COMPANIES
Banks
SEC adamant on BofA bonuses

By Joanna Chung in New York

Published: August 25 2009 00:15 | Last updated: August 25 2009 00:15

The Securities and Exchange Commission on Monday defended its decision not to charge individuals in Bank of America’s alleged failure to disclose bonuses paid to Merrill Lynch employees before the companies merged, describing the omission as largely the work of attorneys.

Mr Rakoff questioned how the SEC arrived at a settlement figure of $33m, suggesting the figure was small if the underlying conduct was actually as described. He pushed regulators to identify who at BofA was responsible for the alleged mis-statements.

The SEC said “reasonable people can debate whether the penalty should be higher or lower, but it is squarely within an acceptable range.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 17:04:36

Monday, August 24, 2009

* Investment News
* The Leading News Source for Financial Advisers

My hero, Judge Jed Rakoff
By Jim Pavia
August 23, 2009, 6:01 AM EST

Federal Judge Jed Rakoff, who challenged the $33 million settlement worked out between the Securities and Exchange Commission and Bank of America Corp., is my new hero.

Instead of doing what industry observers ex-pected and rubber-stamping the deal, he delayed his decision and, in doing so, raised questions about the SEC’s resolution policies.

In its settlement with BofA, the SEC broke from its tradition of seeking to place the primary penalty on individuals responsible for disclosure violations. In the BofA agreement, the bank is settling charges that it failed to disclose to shareholders that Merrill Lynch & Co. Inc. had agreed to pay up to $5.8 billion in bonuses just before its acquisition.

Mr. Rakoff said that he wants to establish that the payment was truly in the public’s interests, as it allowed BofA to avoid either admitting or denying the allegations.

Following the hearing, he said: “The settlement seems to be lacking in transparency. Don’t I need to know what the truth is to make a determination?”

Both sides were ordered to reconvene today to submit new papers. The judge set Sept. 9 as the date on which to hear their responses.

Essentially, Mr. Rakoff is challenging the SEC to go after the individuals who did wrong, not a faceless company.

During a June congressional appearance, SEC Chairman Mary Schapiro said: “The SEC needs to send a clear message that corporate wrongdoing will not be tolerated, and penalties for securities violations will be stiff.”

But corporations don’t commit wrongdoing; individuals do. So in order to prove that Ms. Schapiro means business, she must settle not only with corporations but also with the individuals at those companies responsible for the actions.

The SEC complaint accused BofA of misleading its shareholders. But who at the company did the misleading?

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-08-24 19:20:19

corporations don’t commit wrongdoing; individuals do.

Whoa! Has this guy been cribbing my blog posts? Well, if he can get the message out, I might be willing to back down at least part way on my royalty demands …

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-08-26 03:47:02

That’s fantastic news, PB! :) Thanks for posting.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 14:04:06

Each day I read of more and more lay offs. Going to get harder to talk about “green shoots” by the gubmint.

3 companies to idle more than 100 workers each in Tenn. August 24, 2009
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) — A state report on layoffs shows three companies plan to idle more than 100 workers each.

The report from the Department of Labor and Workforce Development for the week of Aug. 17 through Aug. 24 shows Nestaway Wire Company is ending 116 jobs at its plant in McKenzie, in Carroll County. The company makes coated wire products, such a dishwasher racks.

The department also says elevator maker ThyssenKrupp (THIS’-ehn-krup) will idle 110 employees at its Hardeman County plant in Middleton, cutting a shift.

Both of those plants in West Tennessee began their layoffs last week.

In northeast Tennessee, the state said Alemite (A’-leh-myt), which makes grease guns and lubricant handling systems, will lay off 119 workers beginning in November.

Comment by potential buyer
2009-08-24 16:09:26

11.8% (reported) unemployment in Silicon Valley and about to get waaaaay worse when Oracle lays off from buying Sun Micro. There are NO green shoots, no jobs, nothing, nada, zip and anyone who says there are — they are flat out lying.

Comment by Neil
2009-08-24 16:34:24

Talk about a blood letting (Oracle). I’m scared at what California related layoffs we’ll hear about in the next six months. I’m thinking many companies that *tried* to hold out… won’t for much longer. :(

Got Popcorn?
Neil

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-08-24 16:37:59

The much hyped claim of “green shoots” were so much propaganda and BS.(Boo Sheet)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-08-24 16:52:22

I started my new job today. A bona fide miracle that I got it. It was the only place that I had an interview in 5 weeks since I was canned by HP.

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-24 19:03:54

Congratulations.

*clink*

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 20:19:25

Wow, good going.

 
Comment by jane
2009-08-24 21:20:48

Colorado, congratulations! That was supersonic turnaround on your part! Jeez, last time I was UE it was for a lotta months. Five weeks. That must be a RECORD, man! Even allowing that you are a waaaayyy above average HBB’er, and all.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-08-26 04:10:07

Awesome news, In Colorado! :)

Congratulations!

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-24 17:13:39

11% unemployment in Kentucky

 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-24 14:21:54

And, Dhani Harrison. George’s son. What a good young man. I guess, that is what life is all about isn’t?

Mom and Pops here, response indicated! :)

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 14:30:09

“The most expensive housing in the world is now in China. Yes, that is correct. The ratio of property prices to income is now SEVEN TIMES HIGHER in China than in the U.S. It looks like the Japanese land bubble in the ’80s, but with one billion people involved this time around”.

–Richard Young

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 15:31:02

Please bear this in mind when reading tomorrow’s guest post: When the Japanese land price bubble popped in the early 1980s, Japanese (primarily commercial) real estate investments in the US subsequently tanked.

To the extent the Japanese land price bubble is supporting speculative real estate investments in the US, I will not be whatsoever surprised to see a synchronized crash between Japanese land prices and coastal Californian land prices.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 15:32:34

Pardon the editorial glitch!

…between Japanese Chinese land prices and coastal Californian land real estate prices.

 
Comment by cougar91
2009-08-24 16:49:02

>price bubble popped in the early 1980s,

Hmm, don’t you mean in the early 1990’s?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 17:02:30

Yep.

Gotta stop trying to multitask so much (see post down below…).

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Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 20:22:09

Ha, are you doing tomorrow’s guest post? Are you doing it as PB? or GS? or MFM? …guess we may find out?

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 14:44:10

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Cash for Clunkers is just about at the end of the road.

The government-funded rebate program, popular with consumers, comes to its official completion on Monday.

Dealers still have only until 8 p.m. Monday ET to write deals deals under the program.

The government has extended the deadline for filing Clulnker voucher claims to noon Tuesday following technical problems with the Web site dealers use to submit claims, the Department of Transportation announced Tuesday afternoon.

The U.S. Department of Transportation had received 625,000 applications from dealers for Cash for Clunkers vouchers totaling $2.58 billion as of Monday morning, the DOT said.

In a statement released late Friday, the National Automobile Dealers Association called on the government to accept dealer rebate requests until Aug. 31. The group cited computer slowdowns that could result from “overwhelming demand” on Monday.

Some dealers said they were participating in the Clunker program right up to the end. Others said they had stopped because they didn’t want to risk giving a $4,500 discount on a car and not be reimbursed by the government.

AutoNation (AN, Fortune 500), the country’s largest dealership chain, stopped doing Cash for Clunker transactions after Friday. AutoNation had completed over 12,000 deals, according to spokesman Mark Cannon.

“It’s been a great run,” Cannon said.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-24 17:13:49

“It’s been a great run,” Cannon said.

Does anyone else sense some fatalism in those words? Sounds like something Butch may have said to Sundance down in Bolivia.

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-24 20:23:47

yup, and just stole next year’s demand.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 14:57:12

- David Goldmam- Inner Workings

Something ominous is at work here. Typically, a stronger dollar goes together with a stronger stock market. That is what we observe prior to the bank bailout last fall. Starting in the third quarter of 2008 and going to the present, the correlation turns sharply and persistently negative. A cheaper dollar means higher stock prices, as US assets are marked down for global investors.

What we have is not a stock market rally but an adjustment to global market prices. Fully 80% of the movement in the S&P can be explained by the movement in the dollar index.

That is a profile well known to emerging market investors. Whenever the Brazilians would pull another currency devaluation, stock prices rose to compensate, as tradeable assets floated up to world market prices. The bank bailout has made Americans poorer relative to the rest of the world and created the illusion of a stock market recovery.

That does not necessarily mean that inflation will return to the US, as some analysts believe. Foreign investors are not likely to buy homes in Cleveland (although the dollar devaluation certainly should help real estate prices in New York or San Francisco). And the combination of high unemployment and deferred retirement (greeter jobs at Wal-Mart will be in great demand) will keep wages down. The price of international tradeables, though, will affect US inflation, which is why I continue to recommend classic commodity hedges (including gold and oil) rather than TIPS.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 15:28:30

“Fully 80% of the movement in the S&P can be explained by the movement in the dollar index.”

Like I’ve been saying…

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-08-24 20:02:47

In the first paragraph he says a strong dollar means a stronger stock market. In the same paragraph he says a weaker dollar spells higher stock prices.

While one might make a case either for or against an economic fundamental’s influence on stock prices, arguing both for and against it at the same time requires an unusual capacity for self deception.

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-26 04:16:41

His argument is correct. He is suggesting the reason for the stock market run is the falling dollar. It is being devalued compared to other currencies, strengthening their purchasing power. They are buying cheaper U.S. assets with their stronger currencies, or they are dumping their dollars into U.S. assets because they fear the dollar will become worthless.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 15:41:13

Feud Between Two Alabama Families Turns Into Full-Scale Riot
Monday, August 24, 2009

MARION, Ala. — Two Alabama families that had been fighting for years turned their feud into a full-scale riot Monday outside a small-town city hall, with up to 150 screaming people hurling tire irons and wielding baseball bats.

Eight people were arrested, and at least four were hurt, Trooper John Reese said. Two were taken to hospitals. The town’s police chief was hit in the head with a crowbar but was OK.

The two- or three-year-old feud apparently prompted a fight earlier in the day at a high school, after a window was shot out of a home Sunday night. Then, “all hell broke loose” later in the day, said Sgt. Carlton Hogue of the Perry County Sheriff’s Department.

“It was a full-scale riot is what it was,” said Tony Long, mayor of the town of 3,300 about 85 miles west of Montgomery.

Hogue said the rioters were “throwing jack irons, throwing tire irons, anything they could get their hands on.” Some people carried baseball bats and brooms.

Reese said two people were arrested at the high school during the initial disturbance. Relatives of the people who were arrested followed officers to police headquarters at city hall, and then the melee erupted.

Six more people were arrested at city hall, Reese said, and police called in reinforcements from surrounding cities. Some officers wore riot gear, and many planned to stay overnight to help maintain order.

The mayor said he wasn’t sure what sparked the fracas.

“Everybody’s trying to point the finger at everybody,” he said.

Judson College, a church-affiliated women’s school with about 300 students in downtown Marion, issued an alert asking students to stay out of the downtown area for 24 hours as a precaution.

Comment by tresho
2009-08-24 16:41:08

The mayor said he wasn’t sure what sparked the fracas.
The South has arisen agin!

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-24 19:19:12

“Some people carried baseball bats and brooms.”

Who the hell would carry a broom?

Comment by dude
2009-08-25 18:46:05

You know, to sweep up any popcorn that Neil might accidentally drop whilst he watches from the sidelines.

 
 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-08-24 19:25:39

That place obviously needs more gov’t regulation, or they’re going to turn into Somalia.

 
Comment by milkcrate
2009-08-24 20:15:41

Somebody call Boss Hawg.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-24 16:07:42

Study: Multitaskers ‘lousy at what they’re doing’

Stanford University researchers have challenged a prevailing myth that multitaskers are processing and performing on a higher mesa than their uni-task counterparts.

“The prevailing wisdom among people who multitask is that they’re skilled and adept and they handle it really well,” Clifford Nass, a 51-year-old communications professor and one of the study’s authors, told Bloomberg “We thought maybe these multitaskers are gods, information processing geniuses. Instead they’re lousy at what they’re doing a whole lot of.

“I was jealous. I embarked on this thinking, ‘What is it they do that I can’t do?’ And it turns out — nothing.”

The study, published today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, evaluated students’ “media consumption” and gave them computer-based exercises that tested their ability to recall details presented rapidly and with distractions. Heavy multitaskers did the worst in filtering out distractions and remembering key information.

An author of a 2005 study said the new findings raise “serious red flags.”

“Young people are multitasking all the time and as new media platforms emerge, multitasking is going up and up and up,” said Vicky Rideout, a co-author of a 2005 Kaiser Foundation study. “Understanding whether it’s something that helps kids function in a multitasking world or that hinders their ability to concentrate and focus when they need to is really important.”

Comment by palmetto
2009-08-24 18:05:46

I hate this “multi-tasking” crap. It’s a real buzzword in ads for jobs. I work part time where people do a lot of “multi-tasking”. Except for one person, they make mistakes constantly.

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-08-24 19:42:04

There was a WSJ article back in 2003 by Sue Shellenbarger entitled “Multitasking Makes you Stupid”. This was directly counter to the management fad that said you could get more work out of people by having them do multiple jobs at once. See also the 2001 article by Joel Spolsky, “Human Task Switches Considered Harmful”.

www dot joelonsoftware dot com/articles/fog0000000022.html

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-26 04:20:34

IMHO, most “multi-taskers” are just people with ADD who have no ability to filter out distractions. Why anyone would think that’s a benefit is beyond me.

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Comment by cobaltblue
2009-08-24 17:55:28

Google “squalene” and look for its history and side effects, and you may discover why many do not want to be injected with it, as a medium for a swine flu shot:

Exclusive: Most GPs may reject swine flu vaccine
24-Aug-09 Healthcare Republic

Up to 60% of GPs may choose not to be vaccinated against swine flu, with many concerned about the safety of the vaccine, a GP newspaper survey suggests.

Of 216 GPs who responded to the survey, 29% said they would not opt to receive the swine flu vaccine and a further 29% said they were not sure whether they would or not.

Of those who would refuse vaccination, 71% said they were concerned that the vaccine had not been through sufficient trials to guarantee its safety.

Others disagree on priciple:

Professor David Salisbury, DoH director of immunisation, told Healthcare Republic, the website for GP newspaper, that frontline health workers have a duty to themselves regarding vaccination.

‘They have a duty to their patients not to infect their patients and they have a duty to their families,’ he said.

‘I think you solve those responsibilities by being vaccinated.’

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-08-24 17:58:33

Why some are opposed to mandatory swine flu vaccination injections as currently formulated:

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/squalene2.html

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 19:16:01

Everyone and his dog is bought in to the story that BB saved the planet from GD2. I have two comments:

1) Time will tell.

2) Even if green shoots of buoyant optimism appear to lead us to a brighter tomorrow, one can never rerun history to learn how things would have turned out with a different policy response than the four-lettered sequence of remedies that was utilized (TARP, TALF, etc).

3) As any econometrician can attest, inference based on a sample of size one is not statistically significant.

4) If BB is reappointed, the pressure for financial regulatory reform may be alleviated by handing more power than ever before over to the Fed and letting them do whatever they decide. I expect them to decide to do very little by way of significant reform.

The New York Times
Obama to Nominate Bernanke to 2nd Term as Fed Chief

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By EDMUND L. ANDREWS and JEFF ZELENY
Published: August 24, 2009

President Obama plans to nominate Ben S. Bernanke to a second term as chairman of the Federal Reserve, administration officials said Monday night.

The nomination, while expected, comes after Mr. Bernanke has had perhaps the most tumultuous term of any Fed chairman, helping to steer the economy through its greatest downturn since the 1930’s. Mr. Bernanke is a Republican who was appointed by President George W. Bush. Mr. Obama’s plan was confirmed by Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary.

A top White House official said Mr. Obama had decided to keep Mr. Bernanke at the helm of the Fed because he had been bold and brilliant in his attempts to combat the financial crisis and the current deep economic recession.

“The president thinks that Ben’s done a great job as Fed chairman, that he has helped the economy through one of the worst experiences since the Great Depression and that he has essentially been pulling the economy back from the brink of what would have been the second Great Depression,” an administration official said on Monday night.

Wouldn’t you love to know who that official was?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 19:17:03

Oops — my “two comments” grew into 4. I need to stop posting when kids are playing the Weeeee system in the background…

Comment by milkcrate
2009-08-24 20:17:45

Wii fit?
Measuring.
All done.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 22:06:30

Better name:

Wii fat (because the destiny of kids who do this instead of playing outdoors like in the good ole days).

I would love to take the thing and throw it into the dumpster, but the marital implications would not be pretty.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-24 19:47:22

Well dang.

How about a song:

Hey kids, shake it loose together
The spotlights hitting something
Thats been known to change the weather
Well kill the fatted calf tonight
So stick around
Youre gonna hear electric music
Solid walls of sound

Say, candy and ronnie, have you seen them yet
But theyre so spaced out, bennie and the jets
Oh but theyre weird and theyre wonderful
Oh bennie shes really keen
Shes got electric boots a mohair suit
You know I read it in a magazine
Bennie and the jets

Hey kids, plug into the faithless
Maybe theyre blinded
But bennie makes them ageless
We shall survive, let us take ourselves along
Where we fight our parents out in the streets
To find whos right and whos wrong

Music: Elton John
Lyrics: Bernie Taupin

 
Comment by measton
2009-08-24 19:52:42

Big Banks like BB, is it possible that they have pumped up the market to get him reappointed. If the market is flying and Obama cans him the next crash is his in the publics eye. If he leaves him he still has a scape goat.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-08-24 20:17:49

“I do not allow myself to suppose that either the Convention or the league have concluded to decide that I am either the greatest or the best man in America, but rather they have concluded it is not best to swap horses while crossing the river, and have further concluded that I am not so poor a horse that they might not make a botch of it in trying to swap.” — Abraham Lincoln, after renomination.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 22:03:45

Conclusion: It’s good to be half-drowning in the middle of the river when at reappointment (or reelection) time.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-08-24 22:53:51

Do history’s chosen ones.. people like BB and Lincoln.. have any real choice in the matter when reappointed during tough times?

To quit, leaving it to others to finish their job would exhibit cowardice and self-indulgence, and would be a man’s least acceptable option.. but a boy would have no problem with it.

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 20:29:45

This is a mistake. Bubbles Bernanke has backed a gasoline tanker up to the fire, and it’s starting to get hot.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 22:13:14

As long as the fire burns bright, hot and long enough so that nobody can tell exactly who set it, where is the problem?

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 23:46:09

You sadistic SOB, you. :)

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-24 23:51:54

Perhaps I’ve drawn too quick a conclusion, and it’s actually a good thing that Bernanke was reappointed. After all, when the tanker blows sky high there’ll be no question whose idea it was to use accelerant as an extinguisher.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 22:17:58

Here is a ringing endorsement of Bernanke’s renomination, from my favorite MarketWatch dot com columnist:

Aug 25, 2009, 12:01 a.m. EST
Dismantle Bernanke’s ‘Happy Conspiracy’ … now!

6 reasons more power for the Fed will destroy capitalism and democracy

By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch

ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) — At last week’s annual Jackson Hole meeting of Fed execs, Boss Ben Bernanke’s braggadocio about saving the world from another Great Depression had the feel of an egomaniacal dictator trying to cement his legacy in history.

Any good behaviorist would tell you Bernanke’s got some dangerous biases isolating him from reality (remember two years ago when he was denying the meltdown). His brash claims and radical, secretive policies present a grave danger to American capitalism and democracy.

The dollar is coming under pressure from U.S. monetary and fiscal policy, according to Chuck Butler of EverBank World Markets, who also talks about investing in currencies and precious metals. Jonathan Burton reports.

In fact, Bernanke now appears to be America’s (and the world’s) most dangerous man, far more dangerous than Hank Paulson and the “Goldman Conspiracy” ever was. He’s now acting like the supreme dictator of that larger conspiracy Jack Bogle called the “Happy Conspiracy” in “The Battle for the Soul of Capitalism: How the Financial System Undermined Social Ideals, Damaged Trust in the Markets, Robbed Investors of Trillions — And What to Do About It.”

This indictment of Bernanke as a dictator leading Wall Street’s “Happy Conspiracy” became clear after reading “Dismantling the Temple,” William Greider’s brilliant essay in The Nation magazine. Greider is the author of “Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country.” Greider’s essay is an absolute must-read for anyone interested in the future of capitalism, the decline of democracy, the next mega-meltdown, and the real “Great Depression 2″ … from which Bernanke cannot save us.

Why worry? Because the danger really is imminent. The same clueless Congress that did nothing when Paulson and the Goldman Conspiracy nearly bankrupted America is now about to give Bernanke’s out-of-control “Happy Conspiracy” even more power, and another bigger chance to destroy our capitalism.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 22:33:41

From William Greider’s recent piece on “Dismantling the Temple”:

Six reasons why granting the Fed even more power is a really bad idea:

1. It would reward failure. Like the largest banks that have been bailed out, the Fed was a co-author of the destruction. During the past twenty-five years, it failed to protect the country against reckless banking and finance adventures. It also failed in its most basic function–moderating the expansion of credit to keep it in balance with economic growth. The Fed instead allowed, even encouraged, the explosion of debt and inflation of financial assets that have now collapsed. The central bank was derelict in enforcing regulations and led cheers for dismantling them. Above all, the Fed did not see this disaster coming, or so it claims. It certainly did nothing to warn people.

2. Cumulatively, Fed policy was a central force in destabilizing the US economy. Its extreme swings in monetary policy, combined with utter disregard for timely regulatory enforcement, steadily shifted economic rewards away from the real economy of production, work and wages and toward the financial realm, where profits and incomes were wildly inflated by false valuations. Abandoning its role as neutral arbitrator, the Fed tilted in favor of capital over labor. The institution was remolded to conform with the right-wing market doctrine of chairman Alan Greenspan, and it was blinded to reality by his ideology (see my Nation article “The One-Eyed Chairman,” September 19, 2005).

3. The Fed cannot possibly examine “systemic risk” objectively because it helped to create the very structural flaws that led to breakdown. The Fed served as midwife to Citigroup, the failed conglomerate now on government life support. Greenspan unilaterally authorized this new financial/banking combine in the 1990s–even before Congress had repealed the Glass-Steagall Act, which prohibited such mergers. Now the Fed keeps Citigroup alive with a $300 billion loan guarantee. The central bank, in other words, is deeply invested in protecting the banking behemoths that it promoted, if only to cover its own mistakes.

4. The Fed can’t be trusted to defend the public in its private deal-making with bank executives. The numerous revelations of collusion have shocked the public, and more scandals are certain if Congress conducts a thorough investigation. When Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner was president of the New York Fed, he supervised the demise of Bear Stearns with a sweet deal for JPMorgan Chase, which took over the failed brokerage–$30 billion to cover any losses. Geithner was negotiating with Morgan Chase CEO and New York Fed board member Jamie Dimon. Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein got similar solicitude when the Fed bailed out insurance giant AIG, a Goldman counterparty: a side-door payout of $13 billion. The new president at the New York Fed, William Dudley, is another Goldman man.

5. Instead of disowning the notorious policy of “too big to fail,” the Fed will be bound to embrace the doctrine more explicitly as “systemic risk” regulator. A new superclass of forty or fifty financial giants will emerge as the born-again “money trust” that citizens railed against 100 years ago. But this time, it will be armed with a permanent line of credit from Washington. The Fed, having restored and consolidated the battered Wall Street club, will doubtless also shield a few of the largest industrial-financial corporations, like General Electric (whose CEO also sits on the New York Fed board). Whatever officials may claim, financial-market investors will understand that these mammoth institutions are insured against failure. Everyone else gets to experience capitalism in the raw.

6. This road leads to the corporate state–a fusion of private and public power, a privileged club that dominates everything else from the top down. This will likely foster even greater concentration of financial power, since any large company left out of the protected class will want to join by growing larger and acquiring the banking elements needed to qualify. Most enterprises in banking and commerce will compete with the big boys at greater disadvantage, vulnerable to predatory power plays the Fed has implicitly blessed.

Biggest concern about “Dismantling the Temple”:

Whatever comes next might be worse than the status quo!

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-26 04:29:25

Excellent article. Thank you for posting, PB.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-24 22:35:50

Must read (but first throw away all bottles of alcohol around your home):

* The Nation
* Economics
* Economic Policy

Dismantling the Temple
By William Greider

This article appeared in the August 3, 2009 edition of The Nation.
July 15, 2009

 
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