Bits Bucket For August 27, 2009
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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The city of Manassas Park in Virginia may not be able to meet next month’s payroll or pay creditors due to lack of tax revenue and missing budget projections.
All cities are Too Big to Fail: it is in the Constitution somewhere.
True but this city relies on property tax from the residents they don’t have many businesses that can support the city taxes. The property tax in that city are very high compared to City of Manassas and Prince William County. Also they have a lot of foreclosures to deal with.
Here is an article earlier this year but I think the tax rate is $1.64 for every $100.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/010909-Manassas_Park_property_values_projected_to_dive.html
Judging by the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, there is nothing the Constitution can do to prevent cities from going under water.
“Thank you, thank you - I’ll be here all night. Be sure to tip your waitress.”
Unfortunately, there’s nothing in the Constitution that prohibits cities from rebuilding underwater. Didn’t they learn their lesson?
Sounds like they need a housing bubble. err dome. Like Atlantis.
Sounds like they need a housing bubble. err dome. Like Atlantis.
Thanks.
Judging by the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, there is nothing the Constitution can do to prevent cities from going under water.
Yes, but the local cops, when they’re not looting Wal-Mart or breaking into Cadilac dealerships to “appropriate” Escalade SUVs, will sure as hell ignore your Constitutional right to defend your life, loved ones, and property by seizing your firearms.
We can thank…. you know who
for the rushed through Patriot Act,
and wiretapping.
I’m sorry you only know sucky cops, Sammy. All the cops IIIII know are good guys.
Manassas Park is *the* bubble hotspot in the midst of the larger DC-area bubble hotspot. That they’re bankrupt doesn’t surprise me one bit.
Now if we could just get Ashburn, VA to go Tango Uniform…
Hey what about IOU’s ?
city workers make so much money and they are responsible to save a chunk so they can afford not to get all their pay for a couple of months…..right?
Hey what about IOU’s ?
Now that’s thinkin’ like a Californian, man!
You bet your britches.
At least we honestly call them IOU’s, rather than money.
Things are sure getting hot under the collar with our city’s workers, that’s for sure. I cannot even begin to express the schadenfruede I feel watching the generations of politically inbred hacks that run my city buckle under this mammoth event. For decades, revenues rose despite their incompetence, now they can’t project revenues into next week.
One particularly funny aspect to this meltdown is that a lot of our police and fire guys moonlight as contractors doing cash jobs. So, I think it’s hilarious that the yuppies have to sit there and watch these guys not only amass huge pensions - but also rake in untaxed income to boot!
edgewaterjohn,
Don’t hold back! Tell us how you ‘really’ feel!
Right, good friend from Bridgeport ( now in SoCal ) has B-I-L that scored some cake job as an “elevator inspector” ( walks around and checks certificates from time to time ) has been part of the machine for years.
One of those ‘jobs’ you just never seem to see publicly posted? Oh… but you WILL be passing out these campaign fliers!
I am just marvelling, DinOR, over how many folks bought in this city during the boom - choosing to ignore the reality of the patronage system - and it’s costs!
To date the rising tide hid this issue, but no more. Those who craved the hip, trendy, overpriced urban lifestyle will now have their preppy faces jammed right into the smelly underbelly of The Machine.
“smelly underbelly” LOL!
Boss Tweed would be so proud. I’ve known so many guys that worked for the FD etc. that would show up for “work” utterly exhausted from their “side job”.
Gotta’ get caught up on some sleep you know? Not only is it *not discouraged, it’s the generally accepted norm. Just sickening.
One of my co-workers is learning the ugly truth of what the Philly machine has wrought. Every week or so he comes in to work outraged at the latest budget cut proposed by the Mayor. This week it’s trash collection.
I told him that the gentrifiers - (him and co.) are going to have to become politically active. After all, it’s their salaries that are the city’s tax base. I described to him how after the Mummers’ Parade (every New Year’s Day), I looked out my window to see a dozen city workers coming down the street carrying brooms, and only two or three of them actually sweeping up.
Philadelphia city government is a cesspool of unoccupied workers - they clock in and then go shopping for the day (documented), patronage, city workers who don’t pay their property taxes for YEARS - (documented), and the list of abuses goes on and on. Yes the white collar workers who benefit from the urban hip lifestyle are now beginning to wake up and smell the La Colombe.
And here’s Exhibit A : one of the prime kingpin perpetrators of corruption skating.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer jacka$s. Anyone who phoned his office on a simple matter had to be prepared for a cannonade of verbal abuse. Unless of course they recognized you as a major palm-greaser.
Vince Fumo: Rot in jail b!tch.
To date the rising tide hid this issue, but no more. Those who craved the hip, trendy, overpriced urban lifestyle will now have their preppy faces jammed right into the smelly underbelly of The Machine.
Awesome!
Vince Fumo: Rot in jail b!tch.
Wow. At least the bastiche got caught and convicted. How many of our lovely public servants are/have doing/done the same thing and are still in office or happily retired?
Feh.
Ain’t that the truth. A few weeks ago on a local blog of a nearby neighborhood I read how a young lady went to her alderman’s office to complain about the rising crime.
The response she got from the office: “this isn’t your college campus, sweetie”.
Yeah, $300k - $400k plopped down for a condo in a Machine town might not be a good idea - let alone $800k ~ $900k for a SFH.
I am just marvelling, DinOR, over how many folks bought in this city during the boom - choosing to ignore the reality of the patronage system - and it’s costs!
I marvel at it, too. The patronage system encourages waste and bloat.
On the other hand, if you learn to work the system a little, it can pay large dividends. We know several people with small businesses who managed to get TIF money (and possibly some grants, I’m not sure) to help build out their businesses — their commercial real estate was, in essence, subsidized by the city because of the neighborhoods they operate in. (In one case, this happened pre-boom, too.) These particular business people got in good with their alderman, otherwise things wouldn’t have gone so easily for them. And even a little aldermanic largesse couldn’t pave over their problems with other city departments, like our infamously byzantine building permit system.
I told him that the gentrifiers - (him and co.) are going to have to become politically active. After all, it’s their salaries that are the city’s tax base.
Very astute of you. The people I mentioned above aren’t gentrifiers per se, they’re the creative types that often pre-date gentrifiers. But in each case, they learned they had to become politically active in order to get results and control their own destinies.
Vince Fumo: Rot in jail b!tch.
I like your anger!
Ever hear of something called copyright infringement?
Ever hear of something called copyright infringement?
Yeah, but you don’t know where I live, so I figure I’m okay. And now if you’ll excuse me, I got something running on bit-torrent I must tend to.
ET - Chicago:
When my co-worker first started telling me what was happening, I told him he needed to get friendly with his councilman, who happens to live in young guy’s neighborhood. He just didn’t get it. He doesn’t have the Philly schmooze down yet, and in fact never will, since it usually involves an outlay of money under the table.
The young white collar types have been a real asset to the city in many ways. They added a spark of creativity and fresh blood to a city that was stuck in the doldrums. But at some point every newcomer comes up against the Philly mob - and I don’t mean the wiseguys.
edgewater john -
I know the attitude well.
lavi -
Well I guess we in the area should be proud of the roster of political mobsters who end up doing a stretch:
Ozzie Myers (of “money talks B.S. walks” fame)
Jimmy Tayoun
Frank Marino
Corey Kemp - the last two understandably torqued about Fumo’s light sentence.
And now to add insult to injury, who shows up playing for the Iggles but Michael Vick.
“Ever hear of something called copyright infringement…?”
Edward Albee is alive, ALIVE!
I told him that the gentrifiers - (him and co.) are going to have to become politically active.
Amen. All the zombies who have been voting for Republicrat Tweedle Dums and Tweedle Dees, then failing to make the connection between the corrupt, incompetent bon vivants BOTH parties are foisting on us and the sad state this country is in, might need to become more aware and politically active, and far less complacent.
I want to buy their airport at the foreclosure sale!
Maybe Manassas Park will just be absorbed into Manassas proper -
Heck, it’s pretty much just a Gangsta hood any ways..to bad it dang near buts up against spanky Clifton, VA
I recently heard that Thurston county is going to have to go through another round of cuts soon. They already went through a round of pretty deep cuts awhile ago and had thought they’d gotten as close to the bone as possible. Guess they’ll have to find something(one) else they can part with.
Lots of pain, that’s for sure.
They’ll just have to start shaving the bone.
or break it open and eat the marrow
Wow. Now there’s an image. Blahhh!
Wow. Now there’s an image. Blahhh!
Exactly how I felt when I looked up geoduck on wikipedia.
Exactly how I felt when I looked up geoduck on wikipedia.
But you are wrong. Whereas I am right.
Why do images of “2001: A Space Odyssey” come to mind?
Ben Bernanke = the obelisk?
Bernanke is the Starchild
Bernanke is HAL 9000.
“Dave Taxpayer. … . I’m sorry I can’t open the interest rate airlock for you.”
“I can’t allow you to jeopardize our mission.”
Bernanke is HAL 9000.
“Dave Taxpayer. … . I’m sorry I can’t open the interest rate airlock for you.”
“I can’t allow you to jeopardize our mission.”
LOL - there you go. Except Dave is Ron Paul.
“Ron…. What are you doing Ron? I can’t allow you to audit me like that Ron… It would jeopardize the mission Ron…”
Ha!
Dave taxpayer, take a stress pill and think things over
Western WA always gets hammered in recessions- especially the outlying areas. I expect the smaller towns like Aberdeen, Montesano, Shelton, Forks, Elma, etc. to soon fall into perhaps the worst depressions they’ve ever experienced. Many people will be leaving for good. Once again, there will be $10,000 houses in Aberdeen.
I expect the smaller towns like Aberdeen, Montesano, Shelton, Forks, Elma, etc. to soon fall into perhaps the worst depressions they’ve ever experienced.
They might already be there, Grizz.
I posted awhile ago about my observations gleaned whilst I was out there about 2 months ago. It wasn’t pretty. TONS of empty store-fronts>. Leaning and moss-gathering ‘for sale’ signs sprinkled everywhere…
I was conflicted as I witnessed this creeping desuetude and stagnation. I love small towns. LOVE. I loathe the ‘growth is always good’ meme. LOATHE.
Nevertheless I was sorry to note the signs of serious economic pain—I only want to see salt- of- the- earth, regular folks have the means to feed and clothe the kiddies, put food on the table, pay the bills, with some left over for a few luxuries…
Why the F–CK should that be so impossible?! ‘American Dream’ my a*s*s.
I like your anger!
desuetude — Nice.
Silly woman, every time you let “regular folks” have a little bigger share that cuts into the take of the top 1%. To share more would be a distribution of wealth and we can’t have that kind of silly socialist policies can we now.
The American Dream was killed in the late70s/early 80s.
The final nail in the coffin was the “Greed is Good 80s” and the fact that people bought it.
For J6P it’s been 30 years of stagflation.
“For J6P it’s been 30 years of stagflation.”
I’ll buy that; been there, done that, got the t-shirt!
Glad I didn’t take that job I was offered there last year. I’d be homeless living in the Evergreen college forest.
It’s probably true. I salute you for your prudence.
…Excuse me now, I have to wander out to the front porch and sprawl there indolently and let blackberries fall into my open mouth for a bit.

Later I shall listen to the cool wind in the tall fir-trees, shall I?
Maybe kayak or sumpin’…
Toll’s Loss Widens as Recession Weakens Luxury Demand (Update1)
By Kathleen M. Howley and Peter Woodifield
Aug. 27 (Bloomberg) — Toll Brothers Inc., the largest U.S. builder of luxury homes, reported a wider loss for the third quarter as the recession weighed on sales. The company said it has begun raising prices as the market starts to recover.
…A recovery may be getting under way in the housing market after a slump that started in 2006. Prices rose in 18 of 20 U.S. cities in June, according to the S&P/Case-Schiller home-price index. The cancellation rate for Toll’s homes in the quarter fell to the lowest since the recession began.
“Declining cancellations and more solid demand indicate that the housing market is stabilizing,” Chief Executive Officer Robert Toll said in the statement. “We are reducing incentives and raising prices in selected communities.”
…“We still haven’t made a significant dent in stopping the tidal wave of foreclosures,” Nicolas Retsinas, director of housing studies at Harvard University in Cambridge, Massachusetts, said before the results were released.
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Tool Brothers reports a loss, and then responds by raising prices in select communities! If high price is good, higher price must be better, because it’s more “exclusive!” Problem is, that’s the attitude of only the truly rich.
However, I suspect that Tool Bothers primary customers in the past 10 years were the HELOC fakey rich, the ones who need the incentives, the ones who still have to look at the price. (The real rich would turn up their noses at a Tool Brothers McStucco, and rightly so.) Tool is freezing out its fakey rich customer base.
On a side note, there’s that saying that “Toll Brothers homes. They look good for five years, then they fall apart.” Lots of those McMansions were built 2003-2004. They should be tottering right about now. Are they any reports of Toll Brothers McMansions falling apart yet?
…“We still haven’t made a significant dent in stopping the tidal wave of foreclosures,”
Bob Tool doesn’t let this stand in the way of his denial. “ANYthing can be conquered with enough banners, balloons, and sign-twirlers.” says Bob.
Hmm, that’s “Toll” not “Tool”. To put it another way, “that tool is Toll.”
It was just an oversight on your part, I’m sure.
Roidy
P.S.
Oops. I kept seeing it as “Troll” all this time. I keep thinking, “Who in their right mind would buy a house from a company named Troll?”
The law of Distraction! he must have the Secret!!!!
gotta hand it to the guy.. most people would have packed it in by now, but Toll is the proverbial Energizer bunny..
FWIW - Toll still has tons of cash - about $1.5 billion, that it built up during the bubble. Since they’re losing about $80M per quarter, that’s a lot of quarters of survival left.
I live right around the corner from some Toll condos that were built in 2005 and *still* haven’t sold. At least I still see advertising for them. The price has come down from mid-300’s to mid-200’s - not far enough apparently. This is in Leesburg, VA.
I thought we were in a new bull market? The msm is so full of sh@t right now I just laugh.Cocaine kudlow is still talking up the new bull market.
Has Cocaine Larry Kudlow come out of the closet yet?
Who in thier right mind wants a “Condo” in Leesburg Va right now?
It’s far enough “out” from DC to get a SFH with some land for about the same price in some of the older ‘hoods that have got some NoVA RE smackdown
Who in the world would want to buy a condo *anywhere* right now, vs. renting? Speculation - that’s pretty much it.
P.S. these aren’t exactly high-end condos - they’re run-of-the mill tract-housing stuff, and not in any particularly nice area - in fact they’re right next to the bypass. So don’t let anyone tell you Toll only does luxury homes - these very much are not so.
I haven’t seen the insides - but based on the fact that they’re condos, and their location, I’d say they’re worth $120k tops. Being that they’re asking mid-200’s - that’s why they’re not selling.
“Problem is, that’s the attitude of only the truly rich.”
The truly rich ain’t all that any more…
The NY Times piece linked above suggests that some high and mighty folks could have benefited tremendously by reading and pondering posts on this blog:
Bill Gates, Warren E. Buffett, the heirs to the Wal-Mart Stores fortune and the founders of Google each lost billions last year, according to Forbes magazine. In one stark example, John McAfee, an entrepreneur who founded the antivirus software company that bears his name, is now worth about $4 million, from a peak of more than $100 million. Mr. McAfee will soon auction off his last big property because he needs cash to pay his bills after having been caught off guard by the simultaneous crash in real estate and stocks.
“I had no clue,” he said, “that there would be this tandem collapse.”
Wow 96% loss of wealth
My guess is he listens to his advisors at GS who made huge bonuses on his gambling with his money.
I thought the big boyz got the ’special data’ at GS. How big do ya gotta be?
Front running your own custys- got to love it!
His software slowed down his broker’s computer, so their sell order happened late.
Good one VBVB!
“We were just about to get you out of the market, Mr. McAfee, but this damn expired subscription notice popped up on the screen…”
Now that was funny!
Over the last several years, Mr. McAfee began to put a large chunk of his fortune into real estate, often in remote locations. He bought the house in New Mexico as a playground for himself and fellow aerotrekkers, people who fly unlicensed, open-cockpit planes. On a 157-acre spread, he built a general store, a 35-seat movie theater and a cafe, and he bought vintage cars for his visitors to use.
Oh, no! He might lose this? I feel so sorry for the poor man!
*starts to cry loudly in sympathy *
Looking in my wallet now to see if one of those vintage autos is inside. Nope, just a tiny replica!
This guy’s an idiot. You have to be, to fritter away that much money. I’m just not welling up. Cue the tiniest violin in the entire world…
Cue the tiniest violin in the entire world…
Me and desertdweller squished it to flinders a few days ago while reading a similar article. Our dainty girlish fists crumpled it in our wrath.
Sorry, Grizz. You’ll have to find the second-tiniest violin in the entire world.
“Cue the tiniest violin in the entire world…
Me and desertdweller squished it to flinders a few days ago while reading a similar article. Our dainty girlish fists crumpled it in our wrath.
Sorry, Grizz. You’ll have to find the second-tiniest violin in the entire world.”
Oly we could always start up a girl viola band but then grizz isn’t a girl. And the more of us with tiny violins would sure make a big sound. It has more effect if only a few screeetchy sounds emit.
Oly we could always start up a girl viola band but then grizz isn’t a girl.
Yar. I bet Grizz weighs 300 pounds dry-weight and has lots of hair on his back and ISN’T a girl.
But then he can be the drummer!
I say we don’t give up on the band idea too fast.
okeydokey.
“Fools and their money are soon parted.”
The thing about that old saying that’s drives me crazy is how the heck did those fools ever get that much money in the first damn place?!
Lost $100 million? Idiot.
Wowee. I feel much, much better about my mighty investment acumen, at least in comparison to Mr. McAfee’s success.
FDIC figures it will need $70B to cover bank failures through 2013. Only $13B in FDIC coffers right now. The choices (a) higher premiums, shrinking current bank profits or (b) borrow from Treasury (as if the Treasury had anything to lend, really).
Ah, the intricacies of a fiat currency…
I see no problem. Someone grease the bearings on the money printer.
We should all do our part-
Ben, is there anyway to recycle the bits and bytes from the old bits buckets so they can be monetized?
Unless anyone else comes up with a better name I suggest we call the program “Terabytes for Trillions”.
If we had the “joules = money” method, they wouldn’t have any problem at all, due to all the hot air floating around in these banks and in the FDIC.
(Though FWIW - Bair seems like a pretty on the mark person herself. I’m starting to like her a lot.)
pretty on the mark..
And a tough cookie. I saw Bair just once on an interview on PBS last year, and came away feeling that I wouldn’t mind having her on my side.
If we had the “joules = money” method, they wouldn’t have any problem at all, due to all the hot air floating around in these banks and in the FDIC.
Actually in terms of coins we may be near this.
We’ll need to see a bigger drop in the dollar before the paper ink ect used to make the dollar is worth more than the dollar.
Seriously, what does “monetized” mean. I don’t know. I have tried to figure it out, by inference, but guess too lazy to reasearch it.
OK now I know.
Monetization is the process of converting or establishing something into legal tender. It usually refers to the printing of banknotes by central banks, but things such as gold, diamonds and emeralds, and art can also be monetized. Even intrinsically worthless items can be made into money, as long as they are difficult to make or acquire. Monetization may also refer to exchanging securities for currency, selling a possession, charging for something that used to be free or making money on goods or services that were previously unprofitable.
Are you sure you’re an attorney? I have my suspicions.
Yes I am an attorney Grizzly.
The word always thru me, and never was clearly defined. I am not an economics expert, and the language is often obscure in that field, like practicing law.
I think you are tongue in cheek too, (and kidding) so that should show you I am an attorney as well.
thru=threw
I have tried to figure it out, by inference, but guess too lazy to reasearch it….
thru=threw
(Now, don’t take this the wrong way, ATE, okay? You know I love yer. Keep that in mind. )
Grizz, I’m coming to think that serial inattention to spelling rules might be an affliction that is common amongst trial lawyers. One of my best friends in the world is a trial lawyer, and seriously, he is the crappiest speller and is the the most inattentive-to-punctuation-rules human ever made. I can barely manage to read his emails without throwing up.
But—and this is the important part– don’t get caught being wicked hereabouts….because spelling or not, you’re goin’ down.
Which is what matters, isn’t it?
Oly Gal, we luv yer 2.
Is that like U2??
Is that like U2??
‘zactly
right on Oly. spelling rules..
haha. sometimes just to rib ya, others..spell check!
I read the sealed ones are not rated for the sustained high rpm required by the FED. Must be lubed with Mobil-1 synthetic grease to prevent breakdown which would be catastrophic in many ways.
Oh, I’ve a feeling the’re going to be pusing the red line on this one
When I was racing amateur, I had a 175 YZ Yamaha (special porting) that didn’t red-line until 12K.
“Those were the days, my friend, I thought they would never end”
(Mary Hopkins) Apple Records.
Well, the FED money-printer IDLES at 12k rpm!
If they are not Chinese bearings
“Someone grease the bearings on the money printer.”
Hell. better add a turbo-charger to that bad boy.
through 2013.. ??
Over 4 years from now? How can they see that far ahead? How accurate can that estimate possibly be?
More problematically, if they can forecast four years ahead, why didn’t they raise rates on member banks during the flush times to pad the 2008-2012 Rescue Fund?
Oh yeah, “No one could’ve predicted this.”
It seems that Keynesian economics is practiced only selectively - when it profits the PTB. Other times its thrown out the window.
It’s ok, subprime is contained!
I’m glad you told me, bink. I was having suspicions that it might be otherwise, which was beginning to harsh my consumer mellow.
az-lender,
Thanks for pointing that out. When our local bank in OR went under, there was a certain level of arrogance in that “Well at least it didn’t cost the TAXpayers a dime!”
( So I’ll take that to mean ‘others’ have screwed up bigger? )
But for how LONG!? Thankfully they are among the few agencies that’s at least being upfront about their state of affairs.
latest report from FDIC says its now down from 13 to 10.6 billion
Chuck Butler, the expert currency trader at EverBank. is just back to his digs in St. Louis from a meeting on the West Coast. “I heard a lot of people talking about the rumor/conspiracy story that there will be a bank holiday at the end of the month (this weekend) and the Gov’t will announce major changes to the currency… Now, before anyone begins to believe that I am on board with that rumor / conspiracy story, STOP! I am NOT! I’ve read all the theories, and I’ve heard all the information regarding this, but just do not understand why this would be done… So… I just wanted to throw it out there, and let you all know where I stand on this…”
Why would the banks would close? The idea of switching into a new irredeemable currency from the current IOU-nothings that circulate as money just doesn’t make sense. There’s no way the Bureau of Engraving and Printing could have been sending out skid-loads of new currency for weeks without some news of it leaking.
What we’d really like to hear is news of a bill in Congress that would order a return to a redeemable currency. Merely following the mandate of the Constitution would get the Ship of State off the shoals and sailing free once more in the open waters.
Chuck seems like a nice guy, and he is definitely on top of things with regards to world currencies - but he definitely has a tinge of loopiness to him. He definitely doesn’t act like a regular bank VP.
wmbz..
I wish you’d at least post a clue as to where you find this stuff so people could see who’s doing the talking.
I wasn’t able to find Chuck Butler’s supposed quote on Daily Reckoning..
I guess it may be in there somewhere in some article. I only found it here:
www dot wrisley.com/
http://www.dailypfennig.com/currentIssue.aspx?date=8/25/2009
Thanks for posting the daily pfennig link. Been following Butler for a couple of years and following Ben since 2004. Every time I think that we are beginning to muck along the bottom like in Texas for about 10 years in the 80’s, it looks like there is further to fall. Thanks to all who keep posting here, and epsecially to you Ben.
Most people around me here are trying ot get by on about $600-2000/month (none of it from jobs). I know one person with a real job, very rare. And the Hilo Trib comes out with a front page story that the Unoversity Execs are taking a pay cut down to approx $8000-12k/month. For what? It’s unreal.
Joey
Many of the times I post a link it doesn’t go through. Most likely my computer.
However I never post “supposed” quotes.
Anybody know what the per oz price of available gold would have to be to redeem the total value of dollars in the system?
Well there’s probably no way in hades to estimate the amount of dollars “in the system”. Perhaps by rough order of magnitude let’s say $50 trillion (about 3.5x US GDP). There are about 5 billion ounces of gold ever mined (per Wikipedia, as of the end of 2006) - so that’d be $10,000 per ounce.
The U.S. federal debt alone ($11.7 T) is about $2,400 per ounce.
BTW that gives an idea of how much inflation we’ve had since going off the gold standard.
well.. there’s two sides to the gold coin.. i spent a couple hours reading up on things last night… wasn’t surprised to learn the gold standard years presented many serious drawbacks
Unemployment was about 20% higher during gold-standard decades.. IIRC, the number averages were something like 4.8 non-gold to 5.8 for gold.
Another thing (mentioned yesterday) was that Depression era countries which opted out of the gold standard recovered before those that stuck with it.
The earlier they dropped it, the earlier the recovery.
The world changed and monetary systems changed with it. Very few people currently promote a return to the gold standard. No offense meant, but about half of them must frequent this blog.
If I understand your question correctly, this is my best guess (and I’m betting I’m off by mucho $). According to Ted Butler at investment rarities (dot) com there is approx 1 oz of refined gold per peon in the world in various forms - most of it jewlery and coins which are easy to recapture (hence all the “WE WILL BUY YOUR GOLD” commercials.) I could not find how many total $$$’s are in existence, other than a site that was guessing approx $55T, so I went about it in a different way.
In the USA there is a reported 8,133.5 tonnes in reserve (per wiki) (my bet is most of has been leased thru GLD but that is a whole different issue) There are 32150.746 oz/tonne times 8,133.5 tonnes = 261,498,092.591 oz if applied toward our national debt @ $11.7299 +/- trillion would yield a gold price near (get this) $22,428.27 per oz.
Feel free to shoot holes in my logic. If I am anywhere near right, an oz of Au is CHEAP @ $1000…
“The average post on Ben’s once-great blog: Ron Paul. Ron Paul. Ron Paul. Black helicopters. Ron Paul. Ron Paul. Got popcorn? Ron Paul. Ron Paul. Joshua tree. Ron Paul. Ron Paul.”
Funny! From Utube comments:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lIg3KoAIJ0
Yeah, well I banned this guy for being a jerk to the other posters.
So that’s what happened to him! I kinda miss the guy. (I didn’t see any jerkness, but then, I didn’t read everything).
I read that guy’s blog ( once - it was very dull ), and he was STEAMED at you, Ben, and I don’t mean steamed geoducks.
Ben, I think you’re overly harsh at times. This is one of them, although I have not read every comment, I’ll give you that. PBB is a long time poster. He should not be be given up on a whim. JMHO.
Not enough Ron Paul’s, for my taste.
LOL.
Not enough mentions of popcorn for my taste.
Not a single Geo-duck mentioned. Completely inaccurate representation.
Yeah, and where’s the leprechaun anecdotes? I don’t think this fellow is very attentive. I personally never pay attention to anyone who foolishly disregards geoducks and leprechauns.
*waves hand dismissively *
In your case, I wave my hand submissively.
In your case, I wave my hand submissively.
Ahhh?
Super!
*sits up and starts oiling buckles industriously *
He forgot to mention the Suzanne researched this.
I thought it was Ru Paul we liked so much.
We can’t have RuPaul for Prez, s/he would make us WORK, turn to the left…
and I forgot how to sashay shante long ago.
ROTFLMAO
So its a community that discusses quite a bit of side topics. Let’s see… when has the REIC *not* tried to mock us? I recall it being really nasty during each new transistion in the housing market.
I think this is evidence we’re going through another downward transition.
I’m not surprised he was banned by Ben.
Got Popcorn?
Neil
ps
Just because I was mentioned, I’ll have to watch the video when I get home.
I recall nasty references from the famous “Jeff” (and others) at the SDCIA board to the Ben Jonesians. Of course, that was before “Jeff” descended into the world of multiple foreclosures and shower vomiting.
You knew this was coming…
Federal Reserve Seeks Delay in Disclosure of Emergency Lending.
Aug. 27 (Bloomberg) — The Federal Reserve asked a judge yesterday to delay enforcement of her decision requiring the central bank to identify companies in its emergency lending programs.
Chief U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska in Manhattan said on Aug. 24 that the Fed had until Aug. 31 to disclose daily reports on borrowing by banks and other financial institutions. The central bank wants Preska to stay her order, made in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, until the U.S. Court of Appeals in New York can act on an appeal that the Fed said it intends to file.
The Fed and U.S. banks would suffer irreparable harm if details of the loan programs were made public, according to the central bank’s senior counsel, Yvonne Mizusawa.
The Clearing House Association LLC, an industry-owned group in New York that processes payments between banks, filed a declaration that accompanied the request for a stay.
“There are numerous examples of financially sound institutions collapsing or suffering further financial deterioration from the loss of public confidence,” Norman Nelson, vice president and general counsel for the group, said in the document.
Preska’s Aug. 24 ruling against the central bank rejected the Fed’s argument that the records shouldn’t be disclosed because they are trade secrets and would scare customers into pulling their deposits and exacerbating a run on the banks.
No judge would say no to Ben Bernanke, the greatest hero of our lifetime. “Why do the people need the truth? They are powerless. I am the only one that needs to know the truth!” Bernanke told the judge.
Not sure why bernake is all of a sudden a hero.Either one of us could have fired up the printing press just as easily.All they are doing is printing money to fight the problems.
He’s written lots of academic papers. Haven’t you been listening to PB?
Greenspan was a hero too, until it was realized the economic problems he ‘avoided’ were simply deferred and let to grow. Bernanke’s legacy will be no different.
“YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!”
Jack Nicholson as Col. Jessup in “A Few Good Men”
hehe..
Aug. 27 (Bloomberg) …
[snip]
Michael Bloomberg, sued on Nov. 7 on behalf of its Bloomberg News unit.. [snip]
The case is Bloomberg LP v. Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, 08-CV-9595, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).
www dot bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=atY_Xj_ihGM4
Bloomberg seems to have sued the Fed and then, of course, reports about it. As far as I can see, the bloomberg link is Google’s only “hit” on this story..
FB: Look at that, they’re lowering interest rates and making it easy to buy houses with exotic creative loans called subprime and options arms. Now everone can be a home owner. This is great.
Zen Master: We’ll see.
FB: Look at that, the housing market is in a bubble and the financial institutions are in serious trouble financially. Oh yea, and people are losing thier jobs. This is bad.
Zen Master: We’ll see.
FB: Look at that, Bernanke pumped a whole bunch of money into the financial sector and saved us from a great depression. This is great.
Zen Master: We’ll see.
Who ordered the code red? You can’t handle the truth!
“There are numerous examples of financially sound institutions collapsing or suffering further financial deterioration from the loss of public confidence,” Norman Nelson, vice president and general counsel for the group, said in the document.
BS arguement, when the FED could just pre empt the news by saying we will back each and every one of the institutions that are in bad shape and needed to borrow money.
Let’s open the books
“America is not doomed,” says Peter Schiff, “but the fellows in Washington are pushing for that outcome. It seems that all the characters that encouraged this financial crisis are being rewarded, and Ben Bernanke’s re-nomination is no exception to this rule.”
Schiff believes Bernanke will try to keep the Fed’s juggling act going while the nation really needs a stern taskmaster like Paul Volcker.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/schiff/schiff46.1.html
“The Devil We Know”
“His plan seems to be continuing to print money so that the depression isn’t apparent until after he leaves office. However, while Greenspan was able to get out of Dodge, Bernanke will probably not be so lucky, as his reappointment virtually guarantees that he will be in the middle of the action when the bullets start to fly. Left to clean up his own mess, Bernanke will soon regret not quitting while the going was good.”
Nice.
Volker’s gotta be over 80 by now.. if anyone’s planning tap his brain they better get on the stick.
How can Schiff run for senator? I mean, aren’t all his funds basically betting on US dollar demise, hyperinflation, and the rise of Chindia? Would he as senator still manage these funds? I presume not, but he’d still be aware of their overall slant against the dollar. Wouldn’t he have a vested interest in continuing the money hose? He’s placed his bets against the system, can we trust him to reform it?
Fed chairman victim of identity fraud ring
Wed Aug 26, 7:24 pm ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) – Federal Reserve Board chairman Ben Bernanke was one of hundreds of victims of an identity fraud ring that stole over 2.1 million dollars from individuals and financial institutions, Newsweek magazine reported on Wednesday. The magazine, citing court documents, said the central bank chief became entangled in the scam after a thief stole his wife’s purse in August of last year and began cashing checks on the family’s bank account. The purse-snatcher was working for a crime ring that federal agents and police in several US states had been investigating for months, Newsweek said, adding that Bernanke’s wife, Anna, was not specifically targeted. It said the theft of the Bernanke checkbook became part of a wide-ranging identity-theft investigation by the US Secret Service and US Postal Inspection Service which had been previously underway. Newsweek said the probe culminated in a series of arrests, criminal complaints, and indictments brought by federal prosecutors in Alexandria, Virginia. One of the group’s ringleaders, Clyde Austin Gray, known as “Big Head,” pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit bank fraud last month, Newsweek said. Gray employed an army of pickpockets, mail thieves, and office workers to swipe checks, credit cards, military IDs, and other personal records, it said, citing his plea agreement and other court records filed in his case. Bernanke, in a statement to Newsweek, said “identity theft is a serious crime that affects millions of Americans each year. “Our family was but one of 500 separate instances traced to one crime ring,” he said. “I am grateful for the law enforcement officers who patiently and diligently work to solve and prevent these financial crimes.”
Bernanke, in a statement to Newsweek, said
“identity theft”increasing the money supply through quantitative easing is a serious crime that affects millions of Americans each year.“Our family was but one of 500 separate instances traced to one crime ring,” he said. “I am grateful for the law enforcement officers who
patiently and diligently work to solve and preventallow us to continue these financial crimes.”TEE HEE !!!
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The Chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank’s family still uses paper checks?
I do. Mine are the Simpsons. Each check has a different family member.
My checks are plain, but I use Simpsons stamps (USPS)
Just remember Deliver the mail/bills Directly to the USPS.
Do not use your mailbox for shipping out bills.
2000 or so, got an envelope from the USPS with all my torn up mail inside. The Cover letter stated that the USPS was sorry that my mail had been stolen, the neighborhoods mail had been stolen from some ‘jerkoff’(mywords?) who is now in jail for mail fraud/stealing billing statements, cc’s etc.
From that point on, I use a USPS mail box inside the post office. It costs, but I feel safer. How safe? an eensy bit safer.
Just a thought. Deliver the checks/bills yourself at USPS location, inside.
Just a thought. Deliver the checks/bills yourself at USPS location, inside.
I have to do that, with the stuff I don’t pay online. That’s ’cause I refuse to get a security mailbox. Those things are ugly and dull, and getting mail out of one would rob the joy and expectation and surprise of mail-ness.
“Those things are ugly and dull, and getting mail out of one would rob the joy and expectation and surprise of mail-ness.”
Well, yes you are right. Before the usps moved their satellite station to its ‘mother base’, I also got to visit with the homeless on numerous occasions.
Before the usps moved their satellite station to its ‘mother base’, I also got to visit with the homeless on numerous occasions.
Oh.
Well, ugly and uninteresting is good, in that case. Icky.
Seems to me that these “thieves” do a tremendous part in stimulating the economy by spending money on people’s behalf that the actual people would never spend. Given Bernanke’s position on stimulating at all cost, you would think he would be all for identity-theft fraud. It seems he should encourage counterfeit activity as well. Maybe BB’s ID theif used his credit to buy Geithner’s underwater FB house - that would not even be weird in today’s surreal unreality.
Seems to me that these “thieves” do a tremendous part in stimulating the economy by spending money on people’s behalf that the actual people would never spend.
BB only caters to the elite thieves that steal via the printing press and bailouts.
You mean like fractional reserve banking?
I mean that identity theives spend alot of money. This helps the economy regardless of whose money is being spent.
I understand the point you are making pressboard. I can’t decide if you are serious or not. Assuming you are, I understand the premise, but can’t put my finger on why I think the premise is wrong. It just reminds me of broken windows I guess.
Creating money, by counterfeiting, printing press, or fractional reserve lending, and then spending it would help the economy, at least in the short run. But does stealing it and spending it?
Perhaps you are right, presuming the money would otherwise be kept under the mattress and put to no other productive use. Interesting exercise if nothing else.
“Fed chairman victim of identity fraud ring”
This is good for all the little people out there. Only when the rich and powerful are victims of scams can we expect serious efforts to change the rules so such scams are not so easy to execute.
This is good for all the little people out there. Only when the rich and powerful are victims of scams can we expect serious efforts to change the rules so such scams are not so easy to execute.
I’d be a bit more pessimistic about this particular case.
The PTB hate the freedom, power and anonymity that the internet coupled with the constitution gives to the people. Plus, too many people in power just don’t understand technology. Don’t be surprised if something like this leads to the government figuring out how to deprive you of your constitutionally-guaranteed free speech on the internet, purely for reasons of “security”
That’s a depressing thought. Quit it.
lavi, I thought about that too. Plus, I think you are right. I don’t doubt for a minute it will happen, in some form.
Well, they actually have tried to make the internet an ‘elite’ enterprise during the last administration/congress when they were trying to pass a law allowing charging for faster internet access and so forth.
Excuse me I am listening to tv as well as write understandable post.
How is it working so far.. signing off for now. Knee meds kicking in too!
Federal Reserve Board chairman Ben Bernanke was one of hundreds of victims of an identity fraud ring
Bank: You have been the victim of identity theft. Someone has taken all your money
You: I still have my identity. I believe you have been a victim of money theft.
Bank: No, someone pretending to be you, stole your money.
You: No, you gave your money to someone pretending to be me. My money and my identity are just fine.
(Faintly recalled from a youtube skit I cannot find the link for)
What’s going to be the true effect when all the baby boomers start retiring? Don’t they have to start mandatory withdrawals from their 401ks at a certain age? What impact will that have? How about the rising unemployment rates? I can’t understand the bevy of positive news out of the mass media?
Our economy was until recently about 70% consumer driven. People who are near retirement are usually at their peak income earning power, and their consumptive spending usually drops roughly 40% once retired. Baby boomers are roughly 30% of the country’s population. No spreadsheet required, a napkin calculation will do. The biggest impact will be felt by those who depend on, ‘da man.
I think a 100% government-driven economy is the plan.
It’s a big deal but still a ways off. I believe mandatory withdrawal starts at 72. Boomers right now are age 45-63, so it doesn’t even start for another 9 years or so. Most stock market investors don’t look past next month.
That being said - I do think we’re in for the longest secular bull market in our history, due on large part to the boomer demographic. It will continue to exert downward pull until about 2030 or so at least.
Did you mean to type secular bear market? Secular bear market would be more in line with your downward pull statement.
That being said - I do think we’re in for the longest secular bull market in our history, due on large part to the boomer demographic. It will continue to exert downward pull until about 2030 or so at least.
Did you mean secular bear market?
Doh! Yes, I meant bear.
You had cramer on the brain whilst typing.
I thought secular bear markets have been abolished by the FED?
Good point.
Secular bear market has new meaning now - it’s now inflation adjusted. So for instance even though the market was flat from 1965-1982, it was a bear market in inflation-adjusted terms. That’s probably what we’ll end up with. Add enough inflation and even the worst of markets can be made to not look so bad.
Though you have to make sure the inflation is in things that aren’t directly measured by CPI - for instance houses - so you can avoid COLA problems.
wikipedia has a page on 401ks
looks like mandatory distributions start at 70 1/2.
Anytime after 59 1/2 years old (if you quit the company) you pay income tax on whatever is withdrawn but avoid the 10% penalty.
tapping the account for less than 5 year term loans are allowed.. except on a residence where it’s more than 5 years.
Details vary depending on the particular agreement / rules of the particular employers.
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I can see where a lot of spendable cash will be available sooner than 9 years from now… not that lots of people would quit jobs just to access their 401k money, accepting the 10% hit or not, but it’s there if needed.
total assets in all 401ks seems to be around $2.7 trillion..
“Don’t they have to start mandatory withdrawals from their 401ks at a certain age? What impact will that have? ”
The government is working on this. The plan is to enforce mandatory 401Ks on the younger folks which in turn will keep the ponzie scheme going a little longer.
Fellas, again, the Boomers never really had all that much in the market to begin with. GAO places the avg. size 401k at roughly $28k.
Required Minimum Distributions start at Age 70 1/2 ( but were waived last year due to market conditions ) I strongly suspect, they’ll be waived again this year.
If Harry Dent is to be believed ( and there’s been a ‘few’ things he’s been right about ) “peak consumption” occurs at Age 46. Personally, at age 50, I’m way past it as are many here.
On one hand, we wring our hands over SS’s solvency but THEN get all bent out of shape over younger people trying to wean themselves ( rightfully ) off of that system. Enrollment by default isn’t the same thing as “mandatory”. You’ll just need a note from your wife that she married a total idiot.
I have to wonder what percentage of seniors can afford to hold off until 70 1/2. My guess is they’ll start tapping at 59 1/2 (min. age w/o penalty on certain types of accounts and certain conditions), and the majority will see their 401K/IRA money GONE by the time they reach 70.
Kim,
Given GAO #’s ( apparently very few? ) In addition, it already seems ‘most’ Boomers are opting for early SS @ age 62 ( vice holding off til’ later )
Ahem, it needn’t be a Ponzi for younger Americans. They can always put their 401k contributions into the mmkt. elective. I suspect many will.
There’s also a drive afoot to revitalize the Defined Benefit Plan. But you won’t here about that here?
“In addition, it already seems ‘most’ Boomers are opting for early SS @ age 62 ( vs. holding off til’ later)”
This makes sense, more sense than holding off until you’re 65 or 67 or whatever. Good savers and the wealthy, when they turn 67, can choose to pay back all the SS money they had collected to that point (it might even be interest-free IIRC), and henceforth be eligible to collect at the higher rate (as though they had waited). I don’t get the feeling that too many people do this (or even know about it), but it is an option.
“This makes sense, more sense than holding off until you’re 65 or 67 or whatever.”
If you run the numbers, the break even point is around age 74. Take the money early and invest it, or for those in poor health, they just might not live past the age of 74.
“Ahem, it needn’t be a Ponzi for younger Americans. They can always put their 401k contributions into the mmkt. elective. I suspect many will. ”
It won’t be long before the masses are brainwashed again by the pundits spouting “You’ll retire with a million dollars if you contribute X dollars monthly to the stock market and average a 7% a year return.”
FB,
I understand the level of frustration that’s going on for people your age. I have two daughters 25 & 23 just entering the workforce.
So I’m not here to fit you for a pair of rose-colored glasses. Anything but. Here’s the reality though, we can look for excuses like “hidden fees” which PAUL B. FARRELL has made ‘living’ beating people up over.., or we can secure our OWN futures.
This is Bubble Blogging Year 5 for me and I’ve -yet- to see a positive post regarding 401k’s. Not one. So if you’re looking for commiseration in *not participating, you’ve come to the right place! ( But “I’m” not going to pay for your retirement ) Pssst, neither is anyone ‘else’ here.
I don’t like the current system and NO ONE has been more vocal about making changes! But until they come about..?
“But “I’m” not going to pay for your retirement ” Pssst, neither is anyone ‘else’ here.
I’m not asking anyone to pay for my retirement. Read post below.
*Shrug* my last employer contributed heavily to mine. Worked there 7 months and wound up with more in that one than my SAIC one, where I worked 3 years. You get to say where you want the $$ at, so you can dictate it. I guess the choices are a bit more limited.
At the end of the day we’re all dead. People should uprise against the billionaires. They are taking more than their fair share of wealth.
Retirement? What’s that? Is it something like that other mythical creature, a vacation? Or even rarer, a non-government pension?
Since hitting the workforce in the 70s, I’ve seen nothing but declining vacation, sick days, pensions, and wages.
Nobody but the affluent and wealthy will ever be retiring again.
“Nobody but the affluent and wealthy will ever be retiring again.”
Correction: Nobody but the affluent and wealthy will ever be retiring again. And guess what…… you’re not wealthy or affluent so stop pretending you are.
4 ‘new’ retreads= the new retirement
I LIKE my 403b plan. My employer takes 5% from every worker over 30 years old, and contributes another 10% of salary. That’s enforced savings for many employees at my work place, some of whom have several ( ! ) payday loans going, but eat out every day. Myself, I contribute far more to the plan. We have over 600 investment choices within the two fund companies that are part of it, however.
401k at my corp is not matched, never was, and we almost had a class action against the BOD as they were “directing” the few funds offered, so while the majority of Americans were having the option of choosing among many funds and making some serious ‘hay’, we were making squat/bubkiss(?).
If retirement funds were offered without crooks “directing” them and we had choices where and when, without getting charged up the wazooo for changing, but then JP Morgan must have gotten a sweetheart deal with my corp. We hadn’t been charge for changes before.
What would be a good option? At my 54, 33 yrs, it is a little late, long in the tooth, to make serious ‘hay’. Or just work till 85+++
“but THEN get all bent out of shape over younger people trying to wean themselves ( rightfully ) off of that system.”
Let me know when I can stop paying into SS - I’m young enough that I probably won’t see a return. Can’t wait for the tax increases and or under reported inflation that will be needed to make up for the SS shortfall. Then there’s the shark infested 401K and IRAs waters that are tying to eat my savings through hidden fees
How many more scenarios do I need to pay into, contribute to, get taxed by, pay fees on or allow savings devalued through inflation before I’ll be able to retire?
Appears the ponzi scheme is need of more donors.
How about the proposed means testing. That ought to be a hoot.
I’d be more than happy to let the greedy govt keep the 100k or so of SS they’ve already taken from me if I didn’t have to keep paying in.
Nope…. They can refund my contributions or make good on the promise.
Old folks vote. And it seems more and more like this will be a case of “two wolves and a duck voting on what’s for dinner.”
Someone’s going to be helping themselves to the fruits of our labor. Better without going through any pesky voting. It’s nice that the Fed is so incredibly powerful, it can spark that inflation thing while the politicians can claim plausible deniability. Or if voting is necessary, I’m sure the oldsters getting gubmint cheese will vote effectively.
Fellas, again, the Boomers never really had all that much in the market to begin with. GAO places the avg. size 401k at roughly $28k.
That average number may be a bit deceiving, probably skewed by large numbers of people with smaller amounts, especially recent participants. I doubt that’s a typical amount for someone that’s been making contributions for 15 years or longer.
Given when 401k’s started and given that Boomers have worked long enough to have had defined benefit plans, at least at one time, I wouldn’t be surprised if Boomer participation was lower for those that immediately followed.
Ponzi scheme-very well put
“The plan is to enforce mandatory 401Ks on the younger folks which in turn will keep the ponzie scheme going a little longer.”
It will help put a base or floor in the market place.
The only good news about the baby boomers is high labor force participation. The share of senior citizens who are working is rising after decades of decline.
I expect that in the long run we’ll have a labor shortage, once we are unable to import. By shortage, I mean a shortage of people willing to work for what work will pay for. If the boomers keep working, this will alleviate the shortage.
This, however, will run into obesity and poor health for many. The real question is health care costs, and forced retirement due to diminished capability. The data suggests this is worse for the second half of the baby boom than the first, and worse for those after.
What’s going to be the true effect when all the baby boomers start retiring?
hahaha. Speaking as a mid-50’s boomer who has made some unfortunate choices in the past, you don’t have to worry about me retiring any time soon.
(nice handle, by the way - GS = Green Shoots and Golden Sachs)
What’s going to be the true effect when all the baby boomers start retiring? Don’t they have to start mandatory withdrawals from their 401ks at a certain age? What impact will that have?
I’m 50. And none (zero) of my 401k and IRA will be outside of stocks until I’m 65. I have half my wealth in government securities anyway and about 12% in precious metals.
The problem with a lot of the responses to this post is they repeat the same error as the club of Rome (”limits to growth”) made. They think all variables will stay the same. You are a bunch of conservatives (stasists). Dynamists recognize and embrace change and new variables in life.
I’m 50. And none (zero) of my 401k and IRA will be outside of stocks until I’m 65. I have half my wealth in government securities anyway and about 12% in precious metals.
The problem with a lot of the responses to this post is they repeat the same error as the club of Rome (”limits to growth”) made. They think all variables will stay the same. You are a bunch of conservatives (stasists). Dynamists recognize and embrace change and new variables in life.
Your problem is that you think that your “securities”, whether government or private, are going to be worth more than the paper they’re printed on when you try to cash them in. That is far from a foregone conclusion.
Idea for Ben:
Ben… can you create a “BEST OF” quotes from vintage 2006 Blogs… where realtors, FBs & flippers were all defending the “crazy perception” that RE prices will fall in the future?
Me thinks it would show just how delusional the crack-smoking general public was… & still is, to some point.
I never get tired of this discussion between Peter Schiff & Art Laffer back in 8/2006:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU6PamCQ6zw
It’s been a while since someone pulled out that c. 2005 statement that South Florida is on a permanently high plateau. I forget the exact wording
Hear you go.
‘You are all hilarious! Half heart half money. I myself am an aggressive real estate investor. I started investing 2 years ago and 2 years later at the age of 28 I can say I have no regrets and I am still buying it all up like Trump. I currently have 10 homes, mostly here in Sacramento, also Vegas, Arizona, and Texas. I am selling three this year for an after tax profit of 250000, and I plan to buy more. Hinesight is 20/20 and opportunities are never going to pass me up anymore. I have increased my net worth dramatically since I started investing and I plan to keep on riding this wave till the vary end. Now is the time to take action and prosper. Time is the only thing that is taken from you that you can’t get back so make use of it. I would never give my family the quality of living they have if I feared this imaginary “real estate bubble.” Supply and demand people economics 101 the market will be hot for the rest of this decade. Don’t waste time, time is money.”(Saturday, April 30, 2005)
Was this Laffer saying this?
Was this is surfer guy who is now panning for gold? His name escapes me at the moment.
Casey Serin.
Isn’t “Serin” a form of nerve gas?
Thanks, Timmy.
One of my favorite bits:
Laffer (in response to Schiff): ‘…this is an economy that’s driven by good economic policy, by good monetary policy, by good trade policy, and it’s working beautifully…’
HAHaHAhAAH!
Is he laffing now, I wonder? Laffering as hard as Schiff is?
One of my favorite videos EVER is one from a few years ago. Faux News, it was, with Schiff vs. a bunch of true REtards. They were laughing and behaving disrespectfully, rolling their eyes and so forth at his gloomy pronouncements, while Schiff sat there looking like he always does, grave and smart.
I dearly wish I could remember their names, so I could go look it up on youtube. The main REtard had fascinatingly horrible hair, like dank Ramen noodles hanging limply from his pallid scalp and it swayed like moist seaweed as he shook his head condescendingly. Does anyone know who I mean? There can’t be many with hair that horrifying in the world.
Sounds a lot like Trump. Isn’t he the ultimate REtard?
No, Trump has barfy hair, too, of course. But his is more like a resting flattened wombat. The hair abomination I here refer to was more noodle-esque, dangley, see. As if stapled down atop that doughy-looking head.
Like something furry that was gutted and is awaiting further Stiff stuffing to stand mightily on a perch. But it is currently perched flatly on trumps haid.
No, Trump has barfy hair, too, of course. But his is more like a resting flattened wombat. The hair abomination I here refer to was more noodle-esque, dangley, see.
Oly, I believe it was that loser Mike Norman. The Fabio looking freak is Tom Adkins, husband of Brenda Buttner. That should make it easier for you to find the video. I throw up a little when I see that video so I didn’t actually look for it.
You are welcome. I get sick of doing all of your research.
Bite it!
Oh, yeah—and thanks for doing the research.
and the lady who argued inflation with Schiff…Diane something, she’s still spouting off BS occasionally on Fox as well.
fascinatingly horrible hair, like dank Ramen noodles hanging limply from his pallid scalp and it swayed like moist seaweed as he shook his head condescendingly.
Are you sure that wasn’t cthulhu?
No, Dennis, ’cause his REface was just an ovoid node of pasty condescension, similar to many other REfaces.
Deeply unattractive, yes, but not a pulsing mass of glutinous tentacles reaching out to pull us all into the Plains of Leng* so we can be consumed by the mind-bending horror that is the Great Old Ones.
That’s how I told the difference.
*Buy now! After all, they’re not making anymore Plains of Leng!
*Buy now! After all, they’re not making anymore Plains of Leng!
Sorry, sorry—-that’s a Lovecraft joke. You had to have spent at least 2 of your pubescent years wearing a black turtleneck, being all sullen and lurking in your room writing bad poetry while outside the house the desert sun blasted down and horses ran around casually eating grass and there was stupid hay and tractors and other farm stuff like that.
Man, there is nothing more annoying than trying to write bad poetry about eldritch forces while there’s a big bright sun and a bunch of simple horses outside.
That is one of many documents that needs to be used as courtroom exhibits in the conviction and execution of criminal Art Laugher.
Here’s some early morning spin to go with your coffee.
GDP declines 1 percent in 2Q, better than expected
WASHINGTON (AP) — The economy shrank at an annual rate of 1 percent in the spring, a better-than-expected showing and more evidence that the recession is drawing to a close.
The recession is over. We are now entering a slow grinding repression.
Everything is all of a sudden better than expected.Earnings tank but they are better than expected by so called wall street analysts.Bunch of white collar crooks running that dog and pony show.They are leading the heard to slaughter as we speak.
Michal Jackson’s death was better than expected because the timing took MSM attention from the theives on Wall St. Ted Kennedy’s death was better than expected because there was no scandal associated with it (yet). Right now, a nuclear holocaust would probably be better than expected.
“Everything is all of a sudden better than expected.Earnings tank but they are better than expected by so called wall street analysts.”
There is often a point in time when a ship that has been taking on water, rolls over and the sinking speeds up.
Our economy has been “taking on water” for generations. The process can be traced to what is called deficit spending, entitlement programs, military outlays, over-regulation, big government, fraud, waste, and abuse.
Now during ship sinkings and wrecks there are often passengers and crew who cling to the hope that somehow, the laws of physics will not apply to them. They hold the irrational notion that this time, things will be different.
The accumulated deficits, expectations of entitlement, entrenched bureaucracies, and over-regulations had simply destabilised our ship of state to the point where the housing bubble in particular created a “‘rollover point”. The sinking is a fact. We can cling stubbornly to the notion that it really isn’t happening.We can decide that from now on, we will live our lives more worthily and in tune with the laws of economics and nature. We can decide that we will never get caught in a predicament like this again. The problem is, what we cannot do, is re-float the ship.
Good analogy, Blue.
Depressing but true.
FWIW - an upside-down-boat (pun intended) can actually float almost indefinitely. It typically will actually - unless/until it has holes punctured in it, which will release the air and cause it to sink.
In case you’re wondering what I was getting at:
holes = war
(and I don’t mean dinky 3%-of-GDP “war” like what we have now)
+1 blue. Guess it’s not the “Love Boat” huh?
cobaltblue,
This is where ‘we’ are going to have to part company. Amazingly, I’m not doubting a single word of your post. Sadly ( as others have noted ) it’s all true.
But I for one think I’ve had rather enough of people assigning each-and-every shortcoming this country has/will experience to the Housing Bubble! It was a bubble. Nothing more.
It didn’t cause Global Whining ( I mean w-a-r-m-i-n-g ) endanger new species or keep the White Sox from winning The Series. Now that we’re in the Aftermath Phase everyone is rushing to attach their pet peeve to it. It was a Bubble, those that remain will just have to press on.
Hi DinOr
It was a bubble, and nothing more, agreed; but as a tipping point it did directly begin a cascade of falling values in R/E and other assets which ended the house as ATM source of income. That in turn directly limited personal spending, creating a smaller GDP which in turn exacerbated rising unemployment.
So I’m not assigning anything more to the Housing Bubble than the being “tipping or rollover point”. As I say the accumulated problems have been building for generations and are not particularly housing related.
I understand the peeve you refer to, however, about people assigning blame. Difficult times can give rise to easy answers and scapegoats.
cobaltblue,
Right, and it wasn’t my intent to imply “we were prefectly FINE until this darned bubble came along!?”
Chrissakes, any more of a “teetering keel” and it wouldn’t taken so much as a ripple on the surface to send us ‘neath the waves. That’s what made it all the more frustrating.
Let’s see, SS is on life support, jobs leaving in droves.., Hey! “I” have an idea..! Let’s hand out free money to anyone that can fog a mirror and let them sell houses back and forth to one another! ( That’ll ’solve’ everything! )
Hell, even the Tiatanic made it half-way accross the atlantic. That’s pretty good- better than expected for some, even.
The problem is, what we cannot do, is re-float the ship.
Nice work!
Myth busters did a piece on whether or not you are drug/sucked down when a ship sinks. They say no after their testing.
So there might be a few smart aka Lucky floaters.
Appears the stock market doesn’t agree with the “better than expected” sentiment.
Considering that it rose on “bad” news, maybe it will now fall on “good” news.
Boy, that would throw some saavy infestors for a loop!
The stock market (almost) always goes up — except for the NASDAQ, and only today. Luckily the PPT was waiting in the wings to provide support at the psychologically important level of 2000. But I note with glee that the tech-heavy NASDAQ is still off by 60 percent or so from its all-time high near 5000.
I’ve noticed lately that Craigslist has been much less likely lately to admit that they have an REO and you can hardly ever find an add that actually shows you a price on listings without giving personal data. It its apparent that we could have serious price lowering in the coming months without that becoming readily apparent to the general population until significantly later. This dead cat is coming back down after a rancid and much ballyhood rise.
Ben: Don’t you think the plastic combination lockbox will be an iconic symbol for this era much like a rubiks-cube is for the 80’s or a tie-dyed shirt for the 70’s?
This year’s lava lamp: Twitter.
Hey I happen to like those lava lamps. My sister got one for Christmas a couple of years ago.
Could be, could be. Actually, I’ve never twittered. I figure if I want to deliver light-minded, fanciful, and silly natterings to all and sundry then that’s what the front of my face is for, or better yet, Ben’s Blog…
Oh, hey! I have a lava-lamp. It’s green. It got broke, though, when I had a dinner party a while ago and a guest got thirsty and tried to open it up to see what the flavor was. I stupidly prevented the activity and then later I thought, ‘Dadgummit, now I’ll never know what would have happened!’
I’m still rebuking myself. Sheesh, why didn’t I let the experiment proceed? On the porch, of course, in case of prolific vomiting, and holding a video camera…
So does anyone know what ingested lava lamp fluid tastes like/results in? I am certain someone on here will know. Y’all know everything else.
Oly, SF:
I must confess I have a lava lamp in my great room, sitting atop a 19th century tea wagon. The kid won one this summer at the video arcade.
But the urine-colored, viscuous fluid that looks like it could lube an overheated printing press, well, I wouldn’t pour it out and serve it with salmon and crackers.
I wouldn’t pour it out and serve it with salmon and crackers.
Dang, so you don’t know either.
And may I say in passing that a lava lamp atop a 19th century tea-wagon sounds INCREDIBLY elegant.
But you have been all atwitter before, once or twice, haven’t you!?
Why, ‘atwitter’ is my middle name! I just haven’t ever done it in 140 letters or less.
I have noticed, atwittering can’t be less than 140 characters!
We would never ever be able to enjoy the ‘picture’.
Oil and wax.
What?! Really? That’s IT? Oil and wax? No alien sweat-gland fluids at alllll? Disappointing. Look at my sad, disappointed face.
*makes sad, disappointed, robbed-of-excitement face *
The world is that much duller, now…
http://www.oozinggoo.com/howto.html
All you never wanted to know about lava lamps.
I’m ignoring this.
*covers round little Olyeyeballs with hands *
Thanks for that, Git. I forwarded the link to a friend who might possibly try making the white trash lava lamp.
I forwarded the link to a friend who might possibly try making the white trash lava lamp.
Take photos of the aftermath, would you? To post here later.
I enjoy aftermaths.
How the hell will we pay for it all?
by Martin Hutchinson August 24, 2009 Prudent Bear
As the world awaits with bated breath the revised Congressional Budget Office projections for the federal budget deficit in 2009, 2010 and beyond, one thing must remain perfectly clear. There is no way that the capital markets will put up with sustained US budget deficits over 10% of Gross Domestic Product. Since the current political class is incapable of cutting spending (indeed it appears to want to spend still more, in yet another “stimulus plan”) taxes will go up, no question. The interesting question is: which?
I wrote last week about one tax that could usefully be imposed which would actually do some economic good: a Tobin tax, by which transactions in stocks, bonds, commodities and foreign exchange would be subject to a very small transactions tax on each deal carried out. The purpose of this would be to limit “high velocity trading,” computerized trading with millisecond lead-times by which Wall Street sucks value out of the economy while destabilizing prices and making markets more dangerous and unstable for long-term investors. The yield of such a tax would be only a few billion, but every little helps, and it would assist in re-diverting economic activity from Wall Street rent-seeking into something useful.
If I believed in global warming, I would regard a carbon tax as another such economically beneficial impost. By taxing carbon emissions, it would divert energy usage into less carbon-dependent forms and encourage conservation, therefore preventing the dangerous long-term warming of the planet. The problem is, the evidence does not appear to me to justify belief in global warming; certainly the effect is dwarfed by decades-long natural fluctuations, which have caused global temperatures in the last few years to be significantly below 1998’s peak.
“How the hell will we pay for it all?”
Print, print, print, print, print, print…
You don’t have to believe in global warming
Do you believe that oil money funds Saudi Arabia/Al Queda, Iran, Chavez, Angola (Nice NPR documentary on this last night), Russia. How much money leaves our shores for oil every year.
Kearney Construction files bankruptcy.
Tampa Bay Business Journal
Kearney Construction Co. LLC, one of the oldest and largest site developers in the Tampa Bay area, is seeking to reorganize under Chapter 11 of the U.S. Bankruptcy Code.
The company, founded in 1956, estimated its liabilities and assets at $10 million to $50 million in its bankruptcy petition filed Wednesday.
Kearney, which reported 2007 revenue of $105 million, has done site development on many largest commercial projects in the region, including International Plaza at Bay Street and Citrus Park Mall. It was working on Cypress Creek Town Center in Wesley Chapel until last year when the U.S. Army Corps suspended the developer’s wetlands permit for polluting Cypress Creek with stormwater runoff.
Kearney’s largest unsecured creditor is Ferguson Waterworks, which is owed $1.9 million, court records state. Its next two largest unsecured creditors are Middlesex Asphalt, owed $1.35 million, and Ajax Paving, $812,081.
The company and its affiliates, including AVT Equipment LLC and Kearney Construction Company Inc., filed bankruptcy petitions on Wednesday in U.S. Bankruptcy Court, Middle District of Florida.
In June, two other affiliates, Florida Equipment Co. and Florida Trucking Co., filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
Kearney’s lawyer, Stephen Leslie of Stichter Reidel Blain & Prosser, has filed an emergency motion asking the court to consolidate the cases.
Really? This is something new? I’ve listened to people bitch about their jobs all of my adult life. Hey you can always quite and get on the dole.
Economy leaves some U.S. workers stuck in bad jobs.
NEW YORK (Reuters) - With the U.S. economy mired in recession, workers are finding themselves stuck in bad jobs with such annoyances as managers who berate employees and bosses who hold meetings in bed.
Unable to make a move when jobs are scarce and some 14.5 million workers are unemployed, many employees feel trapped and are seeking ways to cope, experts say.
“They can’t move,” said Kathi Elster, co-author of “Working for You Isn’t Working for Me,” due out next month.
“They want to leave their jobs because they can’t stand somebody in the office or the politics of the company or they’re overworked or underworked or they don’t like the culture of the company,” she said.
Not only is the economy keeping people from changing jobs, but it’s likely to mean fewer employees doing more work and bosses under pressure from above, the experts say.
“It’s a perfect storm,” said Mitchell Kusy, co-author of “Toxic Workplace.” In his research of 400 business leaders, 64 percent were currently working with a “toxic personality” and 94 percent had done so at some point in their career.
Many workers would change jobs if they could, according to a survey this week that said many U.S. workers plan a switch when the economy improves. It said 18 percent plan to change employers, 14 percent plan to change careers, 13 percent plan to change industries and 18 percent plan to work fewer hours.
“The unemployed people we know who really can’t find jobs are actually happier than the people that are employed because it’s so difficult right now,” said Elster.
‘EMOTIONAL TOIL’
Unhappy workers can be costly, said Kusy. They are less productive, show less commitment to the organization and volunteer for less work, he said.
“Not only is there emotional toil, there’s also this financial burden that occurs in the organization,” he said.
Among some vivid cases, one New York worker described a boss who, while not sick, nonetheless holds business meetings in bed, with employees gathered in his bedroom.
“Right now I’m looking for a new job, the market be damned,” the worker said, not wanting to be identified.
“The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself .”
- Benjamin Franklin
wmbz,
But… bu.. when my house was going up $10k a week, I didn’t even bother w/ office politics? Now that it’s going down 20k a week, my job sucks.
Funny how that works isn’t it!
wmbz,
? Uh… no time to chit chat. I have to call in sick and then hope nobody from work sees me at Home Depot picking up those koi pond supplies! ( Curb appeal you know? )
Among some vivid cases, one New York worker described a boss who, while not sick, nonetheless holds business meetings in bed, with employees gathered in his bedroom.
Well, I think this sounds like a genious idea. The second best idea would be to hold meetings in the bathtub, with tons of bubbles and loofahs for all.
Or, better yet, the meetings could be held in Shorty’s stable!!!
I agree. I think that would be a hilarious way to have a meeting, except it would be hard to keep a straight face. Plus you get to go to and from his house, so that’s a pleasant break. And you get to see inside his house, and make fun of his stuff later at the office. Where is this job? Me want.
The real power position is having people meet with you while you sit on the toilet. Then you know you are the master.
The real power position is having people meet with you while you sit on the toilet. Then you know you are the master.
Or when you start bubbling in the bathtub.
HAHAHAHAHAAH! Comicalness!
The toilet is where LBJ used to hold meetings. Seriously
I just hope the staff is ready to do the “paperwork”!
One sheet or two.
The guy is obviously Ate-Up.
Who in the heck would have a staff meeting in bed but Hugh Hefner, and me?
I mean, not me in bed with Hugh Hefner, oh well, never mind. Brain was clouded by prurient thoughts of Hugh’s Lil’ “staff” meeting…
I mean, not me in bed with Hugh Hefner,
Thanks for straightening that out, ’cause I was feeling a tad queasy for a second or two there.
I’m actually glad my post didn’t show up.
Hugh Hefners post?
Glad you guys ’straightened’ that one out.
You ATE-UP Hef’s post? Was this back in the 70’s?
Holding court.
POWERrrrrrrr
Uhm, in most sates, if you quit, you do NOT get UE.
“…such annoyances as managers who berate employees…”
I’ve NEVER allowed this, and can’t understand why people do. I’ve encountered this twice in my entire life, and I retorted so sharply and quickly to both people that they immediately retreated and apologized. It never happened again. No job has ever been important enough to endure disrespectful abuses.
You were very fortunate. For most people, they would have been fired.
That’s why they tolerate it.
Just for kicks, figured I’d throw out some HB historical discussion. The Toll posts above got me thinking about this.
2005 was very much the pivotal year for the housing bubble, it seems to me.
Up until 2005 - there had definitely been rumblings of a bubble - obvious to some, not so much to others. Regardless though, I’m not aware of any actual signs of the bubble coming to an end before 2005. However everything changed starting that year.
Up until then:
- Homebuilders were building at an ever-faster pace, and were reaping ever-bigger profits.
- As a result, homebuilder stocks were going through the roof, with no end in sight.
- For-sale inventory was incredibly low.
- Prices of course were skyrocketing, with no end in sight.
- Sales prices as a percentage of asking price was extraordinarily high - in many places 100% or more as an *average*.
The first indicators I see of trouble came in the spring of 2005. In a couple of areas where I track data (CA, DC, FL) for-sale inventory starting getting quite high vs. the year before; along about April and May. Apparently enough people at least had an inkling of the bubble, and wanted to get out while the getting was good. One might think that this was due to slower sales - but sales themselves didn’t really slow down until that summer - there seems to be a slight lag there.
By summer a significant portion of people started having “uh oh” moments. That’s right when the homebuilders’ stocks peaked - in about July of 2005. Some builders’ stocks (like TOL) fell a lot then in 2005, though some (like PHM) didn’t fall that much at first, not until spring of 2006.
Through the rest of 2005 - sale price percentage plummeted - e.g. near where I live it went from 100% in May to 96% that winter (before finally bottoming at 91% the next year or two).
Prices in early 2005 continue through the roof, but in most bubbly areas that stopped after summer. In the previous 2-3 years each fall prices still rose (contrary to normal years where prices usually are flat to slightly down in the fall), however in 2005 prices stayed flat in the fall. Then the rest was history - spring of 2006 didn’t see any of the usual price bounce at all, and fall of 2006 prices started plummeting in the bubbly areas.
And of course the key pivotal moment - Ben’s HBB started I believe in December 2005 (though didn’t really get going until early 2006).
I think August 2005 was pretty much the peak. Some day that when the government cracked down on Fannie and Freddie, the bubble started deflating.
I remember that month. We drove from MT to San Diego to see the kid graduate from boot camp, going through Riverside and the OC of course. It was a madhouse, full of animal energy. So much traffic and so many new houses everywhere, like Corona and Escondido. It was really overheated and I couldn’t figure out what in hell was going on. Everyone was rich! Or something.
The filter ate my post from earlier today. In mid June of 2005 the cover of Time Magazine was Home $weet Home. Go to google and do an image search on Time Magazine 2005 Home Sweet Home.
The cover of Time Magazine can be a contrarian indicator.
Man - I forgot about that cover. I didn’t realize it was right then. Thanks for the addition.
LOL. Nice timing on their part.
“In the Tank Forever”: U.S. Consumers, Retailers in a “Death Spiral,” Davidowitz Says
Posted Aug 27, 2009 by Peter Gorenstein T. Ticker
Retail maven Howard Davidowitz paid another visit to Tech Ticker this week. And despite signs of improvement in consumer confidence and retail stocks rising, Davidowitz is steadfast in his belief the consumer is dead.
Rather than summarize, let me just highlight some of his best one-liners:
On retail:
* “The retail business is terrible… It’s almost all negative.”
* “We’re going to close hundreds of thousands of stores.”
On the consumer:
* “They’re still over leveraged, they’re losing jobs, their credit has been cut back.”
On America:
* “We are in the tank forever. As a country we are out of control, we’re in a death spiral.”
On the stock market:
* “We’re in terrible shape. That’s what the fundamentals tell me. I can’t explain the stock market.”
But it’s not all gloom and doom, believe it or not. Davidowitz, who runs a retail consulting firm Davidowitz and Associates, thinks certain discount retailers, grocers, drug store chains and a select few department stores can survive and prosper in the future.
Most notably he likes the “extreme discounters” like Family Dollar, Dollar Tree (which was up almost 5% Tuesday after the company raised its outlook) and 99 Cents Only Stores. And, in the department store sector, he says, Kohl’s will “be the only winner” because of their cost controls.
Times like these are supposed separate the amatuers from the pros. Unfortunately, this time around the amateurs are being rewarded.
And yes, without wages the consumer economic engine dies. So I guess ultimately, J6P gets the last laugh… from his cardboard box.
It’s MAD. Mutual Assured Destruction.
Howard Davidowitz is DA MAN!!!!!
If you guys ever get the opportunity to listen to him, by all means do it.
Just thought I’d post this - my best friend, who worked at a nationwide resturant supply company with HQ in Chicago was one of 50 laid off yesterday, out of 500 at HQ.
I feel really bad for him - two year old and a four week old at home, always a good guy.
He has the savings having seen it happen to others before, and his wife has a job so the new plan is she’ll stick with going back to work in a few weeks and he’s going to stay home and take care of the kids instead of having two kids in daycare. But some now some child care center just had two kids get pulled out. So that has a ripple effect on someone else’s job too.
Deflationary? You bet.
I’m sorry to hear this. This’s gotta be a very anxious time for them.
If only the negative consequences of this credit/housing craziness could somehow afflict only those who are mostly to blame for it. And yes, I know there’s plenty of blame to go around, but there ARE some players without which this mess couldn’t have happened, or at least couldn’t have gotten so da*mn big.
“He has the savings having seen it happen to others before, and his wife has a job so the new plan is she’ll stick with going back to work in a few weeks.”
I had always thought that my wife and I were more secure than my parents had been, as a result of having two incomes rather than one. My Dad lost is job two or three times, leading to anxious moments.
Ironically neither of us has ever lost a job. And most two income couples spent all their income, leaving no cushion.
WT,
Good point, if you’re not managing to save a portion of one or both, why make the sacrifice?
I feel really bad for him - two year old and a four week old at home, always a good guy.
That’s tough — I’ve been there.
The good news is you never get the chance to spend time with your kids at that age again.
I took a 4 month break from work starting when my daughter was 2 months old. Best thing I think I ever did. (I say that because I found a job when my severance ended.)
An Honest Conversation with the Fed
Fed: The economy is in the early stages of a recovery
Joe Schmoe: That’s great. Then we can stop Cash for Clunkers
Fed: yeees. Perhaps. Never say never.
Joe Schmoe: Oh. Did it not work?
Fed: It worked spectacularly, better than we could have dreamed. In fact, mission was accomplished way ahead of schedule.
Joe Schmoe: Too bad housing is still down
Fed: Housing picked up five months ago and will no longer be a drag on economic growth
Joe Schmoe: Five months? Why is Dough for Dumps still going on then?
Fed: We said until November. We cannot go back on our word.
Joe Schmoe: So the program will be stopped in November?
Fed: Err.. maybe. Sorta. Or we might extend it and expand it to $15000.
Joe Schmoe: WHAT? I thought you said housing had recovered?
Fed: We never said that. It’s “picked up”, but only enough so that people should be optimistic and continue to buy.
Joe Schmoe: Where are we getting this money from? I thought we had record deficits?
Fed: Deficits don’t matter. Banks, REITS, etc have been able to raise a lot of capital. This shows that capitalism is strong and the markets are strong, the dollar is strong and our fundamentals are fundamentally sound. So foreigners are still buying our debt.
Joe Schmoe: How did the markets get so strong?
Fed: Markets are forward-looking. They clearly see growth. The high P/E levels indicate tremendous earnings six months from now.
Joe Schmoe: Yes, 50% off the lows is indeed tremendous.
Fed: All signs point to recovery. Job loss slowing, factory orders up, housing stabilizing, and the economy picking up.
Joe Schmoe: Sigh. I guess there’ll be interest rate hikes soon then.
Fed: No. Not really. It is too soon to consider hiking interest rates.
Joe Schmoe: You’re not even CONSIDERING it? How about 3 months from now?
Fed: That’s way too early
Joe Schmoe: What about inflation?
Fed: There’s no inflation on the horizon.
Joe Schmoe: What about all the money we printed?
Fed: We lost more money than that in toxic asset losses. So the net is negative, actually. We might need to cut rates some more in fact.
Joe Schmoe: “We” lost money in toxic assets?
Fed: Well, the financial institutions did. But it might as well have been you and me. If they fail, we fail.
Joe Schmoe: So did it work?
Fed: Did what work?
Joe Schmoe: Throwing money at the people who lost their shirts? The stimulus?
Fed: Oh yes. Banks are hugely profitable now. Like I said, they are independently raising money now by selling stock. No hand-holding there. Liquidity is good. Credit markets have stabilized. We averted armageddon. I’d say the stimulus worked, wouldn’t you?
Joe Schmoe: Didn’t you pooh-pooh armageddon just a couple of years ago when some people pointed out the possibility?
Fed: Yes but it wasn’t a possibility then. It was only a possibility when we had to pass the stimulus package. If we hadn’t passed it then there would have definitely been armageddon. We explained how it would happen step by step in Congress so it’s not like we were fearmongering or anything. Only the traitorous bears do that. By passing the package (just the vote; the money didn’t start to be spent until weeks later and in fact is still not all used up) we averted the armageddon that would have happened in seven days.
Joe Schmoe: So you’re not giving the banks free money anymore?
Fed: Well they still have the 0% discount window.
Joe Schmoe: Why is that? I thought they didn’t need any more hand-holding?
Fed: We need to continue to encourage them to lend. We can’t suddenly stop these things. Markets can lose confidence if things are not gradual.
Joe Schmoe: Yet it was necessary to pass a $787 billion stimulus practically overnight?
Fed: Don’t be silly. There is no reason to delay anything that benefits the consumer.
Joe Schmoe: Do you realize the banks are fleecing the consumer by jacking up all their fees while resuming their ginormous bonuses?
Fed: That’s capitalism for you. They need to retain their top people.
Joe Schmoe: What do they actually produce?
Fed: Nothing. But they enable the production of everything. Without their money, you would not be able to buy a house, a car, send your kid to college, etc.
Joe Schmoe: My money, you mean. How about six months?
Fed: What?
Joe Schmoe: Six months until rate hikes? Consistent with the forward-looking period of the markets?
Fed: No, not six months, not nine months, not for the foreseeable future. In fact, we don’t even talk about it at our meetings.
Joe Schmoe: The recovery looks like a mirage to me. It doesn’t seem like we’ll ever get there.
Fed: The recession is over. Consumer confidence is up. Ben Bernanke has just navigated this ship out of the worst economic situation since the GD. We should be proud and grateful!
Awesome — beautiful — bravo — thank you!!!
masterpiece
Thanks. That was great. Depressing as He*ll, but great.
Twas good. I enjoyed it!
Fed: We never said that. It’s “picked up”, but only enough so that people should be optimistic and continue to buy.
I’m tellin’ ya, they’re looking for volunteers. Billy, don’t be hero!
That’s my boy, Winston.
Two thumbs up! Great synopsis.
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We need to forward this to the MSM!!
Someone do it….. PLEASE!!
I’d send that in to a paper.
The recession is over. Consumer confidence is up. Ben Bernanke has just navigated this ship out of the worst economic situation since the GD. We should be proud and grateful!
You could ghost-write for that Orwell guy.
Nice work.
top drawer, old chap–should make it a skit on the utube
You know that is a fabulous idea. I just might do it!
Hmm… who am I going to cast?
Thanks everybody for the positive comments. I just contributed $200 to Peter Schiff for his possible senate run next year. He’s the kind of guy who might get a kick out of this kind of commentary so I sent him the “conversation”.
Schiff’s fundraising has almost reached 1 million dollars, and I encourage those of you who support his principles but have not yet contributed to do so at schiffforsenatedotcom and help send it over that mark. I also signed up as a volunteer. I feel that we might be getting in at the start of a real grassroots movement - unlike the Obama campaign which promised hope and change but turned out to be more of the same. So glad I didn’t vote for him!
Just noticed that my contribution took Peter’s total from $930,558 to $930,758. Proud and excited to be a small part of the resistance!
September 26, 2006
You can’t go anywhere without hearing people talk about “the real estate bubble.” Such talk drives me to distraction, and I’ll tell you why. It’s because there is no real estate bubble. Bubbles are for bathtubs.
~Kendra Todd
my favorite bubble bimbo quote.
“Bubbles are for bathtubs”…
and the space between Kendra’s ears.
“Bubbles are for bathtubs”…
Some of the bubbles in a bathtub, you really don’t want to have pop.
Bathtubs are for bimbos.
Hmmm. And to think I just barely posted that I thought holding business meetings in the bathtub, with bubbles and loofahs, was a great idea.
*shakes bimboesque head sadly *
(But I still think it’s a good idea, so there.
)
bathtubs are for bailouts (when the drain clogs).
This is truly great news for the future of America. Our nation cannot withstand the size of the gap between rich and poor which was building until the onset of this housing bust. Now if just a few more Wall Street bankers could fall from their privileged too-big-to-fail guaranteed positions, we could get back to work at rebuilding our economy.
Rise of the Super-Rich Hits a Sobering Wall
Chris Richards for The New York Times
John McAfee is auctioning off this property in New Mexico to pay bills. His worth has fallen to about $4 million from a peak of about $100 million.
By DAVID LEONHARDT and GERALDINE FABRIKANT
Published: August 20, 2009
The rich have been getting richer for so long that the trend has come to seem almost permanent.
For Decades, the Richest Pulled Away, but Since 2007, They Have Become Poorer
They began to pull away from everyone else in the 1970s. By 2006, income was more concentrated at the top than it had been since the late 1920s. The recent news about resurgent Wall Street pay has seemed to suggest that not even the Great Recession could reverse the rise in income inequality.
But economists say — and data is beginning to show — that a significant change may in fact be under way. The rich, as a group, are no longer getting richer. Over the last two years, they have become poorer. And many may not return to their old levels of wealth and income anytime soon.
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History shows that when the gap between the rich and poor grows too large, nothing short of catastrophe (war, revolution, major depression, choose your poison) ever changes the balance.
BTW, did you know that the US’s gap between the rich and the poor is third only to Mexico and Turkey?
Don’t even get me started about our education.
You post this over and over, but it is not true. All of latin america has a much higher gap between rich and poor than the us, as does most of asia.
Perhaps Reuters, Bloomberg, WSJ, et al, have bad data.
Oops. I meant to add, “…as that’s where I got my information.”
Google it.
Whad’ya know — stock market weakness is good for old Uncle Buck’s health!
Currencies
Aug 27, 2009, 11:18 a.m. EST
Dollar rises overall, dips vs yen on economic jitters
By William L. Watts & Deborah Levine, MarketWatch
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — The U.S. dollar gained ground on Thursday, even as it fell back against the Japanese yen, as traders sought low-yielding currencies and scaled back holdings of assets perceived as carrying relatively high risk.
A warning by Chinese officials indicating they would attempt to curb capital spending demand triggered some safe-haven flows into the Japanese yen starting in Asian trading hours.
The dollar gained ground versus other currencies, namely the euro and British pound, after U.S. equities and crude prices fell despite data showing the U.S. economy was not weaker than previously reported in the second quarter, while jobless claims continued to decline.
The U.S. dollar traded at 93.67 Japanese yen, down from 94.22 yen in New York trading late Wednesday.
The dollar index, which tracks the greenback against a trade-weighted basket of six major currencies, turned up to 78.686, from 78.660 late Wednesday after falling below that level in earlier trading.
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AIG goin’ ballistic! 46 bucks. Get in now or be sorry!
FRE and FNM going nuts too. Someone knows something. I suspect a new surprise ‘bad bank’ plan to be announced any moment
Or is it just that terrible news from the banking sector is a clear indication that a bottom is in, leading to optimism that green shoots and blue skies await? At any rate, I guess we will soon learn more about the depth of the FDIC insurance fund.
Aug 27, 2009, 11:53 a.m. EST
FDIC: Number of troubled banks rises to 416
By MarketWatch
BOSTON (MarketWatch) — The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. said Thursday that more lenders ran into financial trouble during the second quarter as the recession continued to saddle banks with soured loans.
The FDIC said that the number of troubled banks rose to 416 at the end of June from 305 at the end of March. This is the largest number of banks on its “problem list” since June 30, 1994, when 434 banks were on the list.
Assets at troubled banks totaled $299.8 billion, the highest level since Dec. 31, 1993, the agency said.
Banks insured by the FDIC swung to a total quarterly loss of $3.7 billion from last year when they reported a total profit of $4.8 billion.
Total reserves of the Deposit Insurance Fund stood at $42 billion, with the contingent loss reserve falling to $10.4 billion from $13 billion over the second quarter. Some analysts have been warning that growing bank failures could put pressure on the FDIC fund.
“While challenges remain, evidence is building that the U.S. economy is starting to grow again,” said FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair in a press release.
“The banking industry, too, can look forward to better times ahead,” she added. “But, for now, the difficult and necessary process of recognizing loan losses and cleaning up balance sheets continues to be reflected in the industry’s bottom line.”
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The depression is caused by debt and the government is creating more o f it instead of letting it decrease through people paying it off or walking away. If debt is the problem, the economy is not going to recover - ever. The Japanese have had this problem for 20 years.
The future is must more of the same. I don’t see the economy recovering until someone comes in and just says no more debt. Like that is going to happen.
Depressed in South Carolina
There’s debt.. and then there’s bad debt.
Bad debt is what caused lenders to tighten up.
Tight credit hurts business because business income is spotty, and they often must borrow just to stay in business.
Businesses suffers and people get fired or laid off. The whole economy begins to slip away..
Since lenders can’t or won’t lend, government is trying to artificially support business and stimulate the economy by injecting money into the system. The effort may not have been a huge success thus far but it does seem to have prevented a total meltdown.
There may be much debate about the wisdom and righteousness of govt’s “borrowing” from the future to support today’s faltering economy, but there’s little debate about what would have already happened if they didn’t make the effort.
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The only “good debt”.. is that which is held in a hyper-inflationary environment… thereby paying off debt with dollars that are constantly (exponentially??) losing value.
I believe we will experience deflation in the near term…. so I am keeping a lot of cash on hand.
At some point in time… now here’s the tricky part… I’ll have to leverage to the hilt… & sprinkle out my cash to buy up many commercial & multi-unit buildings.. that just barely cash-flow.
Over time… the cash flow will rise.. while the debt will be locked in at sub-inflationary rates.
’nuff said.
yeah.. while a workable plan is pretty much cut and dried, it may be very tricky.
There had to be at least a few Japanese entrepreneurs who were depending on an inflationary recovery to lend their plans a hand, but were sorely disappointed.
“Since lenders can’t or won’t lend, government is trying to artificially support business and stimulate the economy by injecting money into the system.”
The problem here is the support of big business while the little businessmen are going under because of tightened credit. Poorly run big businesses should have been allow to fail. The new businesses rising from their ashes would be leaner, meaner and more creative.
agreed.. mostly..
Relief might be better aimed and more effective if targeted at smaller business, but how would you do that exactly?
And why is a failed small business more worthy of help than is the large failed business? How do they differ apart from size?
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Big business failure is a huge financial shock to a community.. scores of small businesses drown in it’s wake. Mom and pop stores are easy, but a lot of time is required to build a new big business to replace what was lost… maybe years.
Meanwhile a few big-business people and a few investors who can afford to take the hit find other things to do, but a whole lot of average people / families who cannot afford it really suffer. High unemployment is no laughing matter.
Jobs are the core of a healthy community. Business, big and small, provide those jobs. Business and jobs can’t be separated. Animosity towards govt due to it’s supporting business in tough times is misguided and thoughtless, imo.
More Debt or Armageddon. Pick one. Those are the only two choices. Jeez - don’t you know ANYTHING?
Armageddon is where we will all have to go in order to grow again. That is where it all ends up. We have to take the cure and go through armageddon and the future is on the other side.
Else it will be year afer year of this depression.
“Depressed in South Carolina”
With a lying flunkie hypocrite governor despotically clinging to power, how can it be anything but???
Insurers May Reap $375 Million as Customers Trade in ‘Clunkers’
Aug. 27 (Bloomberg) — Progressive Corp. and Berkshire Hathaway Inc.’s Geico Corp. are among insurers that may benefit from the U.S. “cash for clunkers” program as drivers pay higher premiums to protect new cars.
The government’s vehicle trade-in initiative could yield as much as $375 million in premiums, said Robert Hartwig, the chief economist of the New York-based Insurance Information Institute.
“When they buy that new vehicle, the insurance generally will cost more,” Hartwig said in an interview. “It’s a newer vehicle and people will normally take out full coverage of the car. Any auto insurer would stand to gain.”
A rebound in auto sales amid the clunkers program may bring relief to auto insurers facing pressure from rising medical costs, reduced consumer purchases and declines in the value of fixed-income holdings. Progressive last month reported its first quarterly gain in net income since 2006, and Geico’s profit fell 63 percent in the second quarter on an increase in claims.
We figured that out here on the HBB weeks ago.
Some folks just feel richer when they have more bills to pay, I guess.
Yep, along with the fact the $4500.00 or whatever they got is taxable income, should make the ‘clunk’ participates feel very rich.
hmm.. what’s BRK A going for.. $98,999 a share.. gone down for a couple weeks now.
Also gotta wash a new car at least 2 or 3 times a week. And it should be wiped dry to prevent water spots.
got soap? got Sham-Wow?
got Sham-Wow?
Ahhhh, the pangs of nostalgia! Billy Mays, we knew thee…
Ahhhh, the pangs of nostalgia! Billy Mays, we knew thee…
Sham-Wow guy’s still alive…
Wonder what happened to the shamwow guys arrest after
shamwowing the hooker right in the kisser? It is alleged he smacked her as she tried to get paid. shampow.
Sham-Wow guy’s still alive…
Oh. Well, then.
I get these late-night product-placement guys mixed up, except for the juice-guy, because of his luxuriant and awe-inspiring giant eyebrows.
…The juicer guy is alive, right? And is not the one who punches hard-working hookers. I sure hope so. The world would be a poorer place without those eyebrows.
The Sham Wow guy got his tongue bit off by that hooker. That’s why he punched her. (yes drugs and booze were involved. what a surprise, huh?)
Yes, it was found and sown back, but he’s looking at years of speech therapy.
End of career.
“The Sham Wow guy got his tongue bit off by that hooker.”
Wow! Very Lorena Bobbit! Except she took his moneymaker, not his funnymaker.
Ooops. Pedantic Man shouts from the bathroom that if his tongue was ’sown’ back, he can’t start therapy until he sees some green shoots.
wow, I mean shamWOW, eco. i wuld haf u .earn a .ifferent .ay .u ..eak.
that is going to be hard to speak with enunciation.
i wuld haf u .earn a .ifferent .ay .u ..eak.
that is going to be hard to speak with enunciation.
Wow.

You are bustin’ out, missy! Get going on your memoirs, because I want at least 3 copies of your life story.
Maybe equity investors are smarter than bullsh!t spreaders think?
MARKET SNAPSHOT
Not giving good news its due
U.S. equities investors have been displaying a perhaps troubling tendency to sell in the face of upbeat indicators and developments.
I have some fantastic news for US equity investors. If you guys don’t have the guts to step up to the plate and buy on the first hint that green shoots are sprouting, the Plunge Protection Team stands ready to prop up the markets as needed until you regain your flagging confidence.
U.S. equities investors have been displaying a perhaps troubling tendency to sell in the face of upbeat indicators and developments.
Now replace US equities investors with GS or some other large investment house and it may make more sense.
Funny you would suggest this. Here I have been assuming that surviving “big investment houses” were propping up the stock market on weakness, in order to lure in greater fools with gambling cash…
Where do bottomless insurance pools hide their money tree?
MarketWatch First Take
Aug 27, 2009, 12:05 p.m. EST
Four sources for the FDIC
Commentary: Ignore the depleted insurance reserves, banks are safe
Here is a true shocker — make sure to sit down before reading this:
* Business
* US economy
US savings insurance fund may need treasury help
• Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation may have to borrow to safeguard bank accounts
• ‘Problem list’ of troubled banks rises to highest level since mid-1990s
* Andrew Clark in New York
* guardian dot co dot uk, Thursday 27 August 2009 20.35 BST
* Article history
P.S. Wouldn’t you love a reasonable estimate of how much of that ‘help’ will indirectly find its way into the bankers’ bonus pool?
I’d like to find out how much makes its way back into the pockets of politicians.
The people are responsible for voting these people in over and over, even after they’ve shown their true colors.
“Society is like a stew. It needs to be stirred up every so often or else the sc.u.m” rises to the top.” - Edward Abbey.
“…into the bankers’ bonus pool
…makes its way back into the pockets of politicians.”
That’s the New Trickle Down Economics…
‘Beer prices are going up’
http://tinyurl.com/mwkeor
Beer prices in the U.S. have been rising despite the recession. In July, the price of beer, ale and other malt beverages sold for consumption at home had risen 4.6% from July 2008, according to the Labor Department’s Consumer Price Index. The year before, prices rose 5.3%.
No! NO! NOoooOOOOOooooOOOOOOO!!!
Okay, NOW it’s gettin’ serious!
Somefing tells me beer demand might be pretty durned high right about now…
Well, I know IIIIII’m feeling thirsty.
At 20.8 gallons of annual beer consumption per capita, the Utahns are not pulling their weight
That’s because I don’t live there anymore. Go look at the chart again and see what the average WA consumption is, starting about 5 years ago. Hahahaahh!
*hiccup *
At 20.8 gallons of annual beer consumption per capita, the Utahns are not pulling their weight
Not only that, but they’re also not doing their part to contribute to the national “buzz” because Utarr beer is 3.2% alcohol, or “near-beer”
secular beer market?
Not only that, but they’re also not doing their part to contribute to the national “buzz” because Utarr beer is 3.2% alcohol, or “near-beer”
Would you please not remind me, Lavi? You want me to barf? Well, DO you?
You should see the gratitude with which I am greeted when I drive up the long drive-way at Christmas-time, when I arrive after a long and icy trip. It’s not me, it’s not the illicit reservation fireworks, it’s because my favored siblings know I have ‘real’ beer in my possession.
Or else they know I can go fiddle with their fermenter buckets and make the real beer get going.
And you know what? I don’t care. Love is love.
Hmmm, Washington state appears to be an underachiever compared to all its neighbors. Shameful.
I certainly hope you’re willing to redouble your efforts in order to offset all the goldbrickers.
Really?! Nohow! And I just urged PB to check WA beer consumption starting about 5 years ago! I thought the chart would show an upward trajectory like a…like a…like an ‘S’ curve air-bubbler being violently ejected straight up from the top of a roiling fermenter!
How embarrassed I am.
a Recovery line of sorts, eh Oly. To the moooooon.
Love to see the chart after Oly moved to town.
Annual beer consumption by state:
http://www.sloshspot.com/photos/blog/full/photo_1246056700.png
I have to say - NH’s being dark piques my interest. I wouldn’t have expected that. Anyone know why?
No sales tax = get your drink on!
People cross over from high-tax MA to buy cheap booze at state-line liquor stores in NH.
Movies and booze usually do well in downturns.
Ben,
I have a feeling you will find this hilarious!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwldcXUSHCQ&feature=related
Very funny. Thankyou.
I always say Thank you after a tirade. And in a really sweet voice, I say, I meant that other stuff in a really nice way.
Sent that link to the 2 ethical re persons I know. They LOVED it.
Stress kills.
For reference, new weekly claims above 400,000 are generally viewed as indicative of recessionary conditions.
Economic Report
Aug 27, 2009, 11:25 a.m. EST
Jobless claims fall for first time in 3 weeks
Some concern that people may be exhausting benefits
By Greg Robb, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — First-time filings for state unemployment benefits fell by 10,000 to a seasonally adjusted 570,000 last week, marking the first drop in initial claims in three weeks.
Both initial claims and continuing claims ticked down in the latest readings, the Labor Department reported Thursday.
Economists surveyed by MarketWatch were expecting initial claims to drop back to 565,000. A year ago, initial claims were at 433,000.
Claims had risen by 26,000 over the past two weeks. Read full report.
Although claims have fallen below the 600,000 level that prevailed earlier this year, economists are disappointed with the pace of improvement in the data.
Many analysts, including top Federal Reserve officials, are worried the recovery will be “jobless” as businesses hold off hiring until the economic expansion is assured.
“It seems that since falling below the 600,000 mark in early July, when the data were volatile due to auto-related distortions, the underlying pace of layoffs has settled around 560,000 to 570,000. The good news is that this confirms the slowdown in layoffs, but the bad news is that the pace of layoffs is still extremely high,” said Omair Sharif, economist at Royal Bank of Scotland.
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“For reference, new weekly claims above 400,000 are generally viewed as indicative of recessionary conditions.”
-Right, but in a jobless recovery you allowed 100% unemployment apparently. Eveyone will be so busy spending, there will be no time for work, I guess. Ask Bernanke, I don’t know how it works.
MAGIC!
Aug 26, 2009, 11:19 p.m. EST
China wealth-fund chief tips buying spree
By MarketWatch
LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) — The president of China’s well-financed sovereign wealth fund said his group plans a massive, ten-fold expansion of its overseas investment this year, according to reported comments from an interview Thursday.
China Investment Corp. President Gao Xiqing said the fund’s foreign holdings will go from $4.8 billion last year to “several tens of billion dollars,” Reuters reported, citing Gao’s interview with Japan’s Asahi newspaper.
Gao was quoted as saying CIC held about 90% of its management funds in cash or similarly liquid forms at the end of last year, but that this will change now that financial markets are no longer in a state of crisis.
Among possible new investments under consideration are Japanese companies and property, given prospects for a recovery in that country’s economy, Gao said.
Reuters also cited unnamed sources from an earlier report as saying CIC plans to invest up to $2 billion in U.S. mortgages.
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Come on, ahansen, ‘fess up
You won’t extort a confession out of her! She’s not afraid of bears! Even degreed ones!
Hence the friendly smile…
I never trust a smiling bear.
There has never been a better time for taxes to go up in Caleeforneeaah.
State taxes going up because of deflation
Kathleen Pender
Thursday, August 27, 2009
California taxpayers just got hit with another increase in state income taxes, and it didn’t require a vote from a single legislator.
The culprit: deflation.
In 1982, California voters approved a proposition that indexed state income tax rates to inflation. So each year, the California Franchise Tax Board adjusts tax brackets and certain deductions and credits for inflation. The annual adjustment is tied to the California Consumer Price Index, and it usually goes up. Indexing is designed to prevent people from paying higher taxes as their incomes rise proportionately with inflation. But when inflation turns negative, indexing works in reverse. Tax brackets and credits are adjusted downward. If your income remains the same, the result is a tax increase.
The Franchise Tax Board has just released adjustments for 2009, and for the first time since 1983 they are down, reflecting a 1.5 percent drop in the California Consumer Price Index between June 2008 and June 2009.
As a result, everyone’s state taxes will go up by a modest amount this year. The amount will vary depending on taxpayers’ income, whether they itemize deductions and how many personal exemptions and other credits they claim.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
(sorry PB)
Law of unintended consequences strikes again.
You can find the article on SFGate.
Won’t affect the rich, they’ve already hidden the money or are paying the ridiculous nearly 10% top rate already.
Big difference between 1982 and today: Volcker had already done the hard work of wringing the excesses out of the economy. Propping up prices on a permanently low plateau simply does not have the same effect as sending the economy through a period of excruciatingly high interest rates. But maybe it is different this time, and I am missing it?
Obama Channeling Reagan Needs 5 Quarters of 7% GDP Growth Surge
By Michael McKee
Aug. 27 (Bloomberg) — President Barack Obama, like Ronald Reagan, has decided to keep a Federal Reserve chairman after what at the time was the longest recession since the 1930s. Unlike Reagan, Obama probably won’t get a strong recovery, or the political boost that it brings.
Under Fed Chairman Paul Volcker, the economy grew at a more than 7 percent annual rate for five straight quarters following the 1981-1982 recession. Reagan, after reappointing Volcker in 1983 and declaring “it’s morning again in America,” won 49 of 50 states in the following year’s election.
Obama is putting his trust in Ben S. Bernanke ahead of time, nominating him to a second four-year term even though the recession isn’t officially over. Growth is forecast to average just 2.2 percent over the next year, according to a Bloomberg News survey of economists this month.
“It’s going to be much, much tougher to jump-start the economy now,” said Stephen Roach, chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia in Hong Kong, who in 1983 was in the first year of his career as a Wall Street economist. “It’s a totally different dynamic playing out today in our post-bubble, overly leveraged world.”
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All I can say is - GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!!!!
In 1981 federal debt was 32% of GDP, and slowly falling (though started rising slowly shortly after). Total debt was 155% of GDP.
In 2009 federal debt is 82% of GDP, and skyrocketing. Total debt is 358% of GDP.
Bammy’s got a bit less to work with.
I wouldn’t say it started rising slowly in the 80’s. Government debt was a rocketship to the moon back then.
Of course, the last 4 years have made Government debt a rocketship to Alpha Centauri.
Government debt was a rocketship to the moon back then.
Well it’s relative. GDP was rising fast also, so as a percentage of GDP the government debt was a relatively slow rise, at least compared with 2009+.
Graph
Get my e-mail from Ben and send me the data if you have it and are willing (or just provide a link to the data source).
I would like to convert your chart into a first-derivative estimate; I believe the methodology is quite straightforward:
1) fit a cubic spline with continuous first derivatives;
2) produce a graph of said derivatives.
Eyeballing your graph, it looks like the recent rate of increase in the debt-to-GDP ratio was last experienced during WWII, and before that only in the middle of the 1930s and during WWI.
AIG lunacy
Posted by: Matthew Goldstein
American International Group is a $50 stock. Yeah. Sure. But that’s what the market says it is today so it must be.
Shares of AIG are soaring today in part because the insurer’s new CEO Robert Benmosche tells a Reuters reporter that he doesn’t intend to conduct a firesale of the company’s divisions. He also says he’s been seeking guidance from former AIG CEO Hank Greenberg–the former Wall Street titan who just doesn’t know when to go away.
This is a great scoop for my Reuters colleague Adam Tanner. But come on. In my book, a CEO who jets off for a vacation to the Adriatic coast to a massive villa just days after taking over AIG doesn’t have a lot of credibility. So nice of Benmosche to take time out from his Croatian siesta to field phone calls from a reporter and reportedly wine and dine Greenberg.
At middday the stock was up nearly $11. Nearly 92 million shares have been traded already–more than four times the normal trading volume.
And it’s nearly doubled since AIG conducted a 1 for 20 reverse stock split in July. Shares have risen 71% since Benmosche took over on Aug. 10. Over the past two weeks, it’s been quite common for more than 100 million shares to change hands each day.
But does that “news” coming out of AIG really justify an nearly 30% pop in the stock on higher than normal volume? (There is some speculation of Greenberg putting together a bid to buyout AIG, but it is too ludicrous to repeat.)
What’s going on with AIG is more than just short covering, or mere speculation. It was easier to speculate in AIG when it was down in single digits–not at these levels.
It seems AIG has become a big momentum play for daytraders, hedge funds and of course–high-frequency traders.
To be sure, the surge in AIG shares is great news for the federal government, which effectively owns the insurer that needed a mega emergency bailout last fall. But what’s going on in AIG shares is beyond the pale and really calls for some sort of investigation, in light of the federal government’s big hand in managing the company.
This surge in AIG is making a mockery of the federal government’s intervention in the insurer and makes it appear that Wall Street has learned nothing from last fall’s events.
What a great way to mark the upcoming anniversary of Lehman Brothers’ collapse.
If AIG is worth $50/share, then oil should be $400/bbl and gold $4k/oz.
Pump and Dump!
It must be nice to be able to issue “revenue anticipation notes”.
California calls in it’s IOUs: http://tinyurl.com/l6u5mn
When I issue revenue anticipation notes the attorney general calls them hot checks.
Ha ha ha. In their desperate effort to couch all news in a positive light, the MSM are tying themselves into knots. Just heard the following on KGO newstalk radio news (in reference to the GDP contracting by less than “expected” this quarter):
“The economy’s growth slowed less than expected”
I read it back a few times and *still* don’t understand precisely what it means
who = whom
No Green Shoots per K.D.’s Macro Economics:
Unemployment Report 8/27 - Flat And Bad
Nothing to like here….
In the week ending Aug. 22, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims was 570,000, a decrease of 10,000 from the previous week’s revised figure of 580,000. The 4-week moving average was 566,250, a decrease of 4,750 from the previous week’s revised average of 571,000.
Yeah, ok - a quick look at the table shows the following:
There has been no meaningful change. Today’s number was 570k, last week 580k, August 8th 561k. Right up the middle. Oh, last year was 433k.
The insured total dropped to 6,133,000, a drop of 119,000. But it looks like (we don’t have current-week numbers) most of that “drop” was in fact people rolling off onto extended benefits, where they’re no longer in the headline number.
The bottom line remains that the employment situation remains extremely weak and shows no real sign of improvement. Yes, it is leveling off - but we’re more like flat on our back than anything else.
No consumer, no economic recovery. No jobs, no consumer.
Its pretty simple folks.
I think I get it. What they are pretty much saying is that the housing market has bottomed out.
Am I getting it?
Somebody’s getting it.
A cowboy meets an Indian on the trail.
The Indian says “How!”
The cowboy says “I know How, I wanna know When!”
Are you sure ‘blue? Because it seems the Master(bator)s of the Universe have determined over the last couple of decades that the consumer economic engine doesn’t need… consumers!
MAGIC!
Is it good news from the banking sector that is driving the headline US stock market indexes skyward today?
Preparing for a major bank shakeout
Rising failures and a weak economic recovery could accelerate a decades-long trend towards fewer, bigger banks.
By Colin Barr, senior writer
August 27, 2009: 2:34 PM ET
NEW YORK (Fortune) — The problem bank list is just about the only part of the industry that’s growing right now.
The sector’s financial problems, outlined by regulators in excruciating detail on Thursday, could speed a shakeout that already has slashed banks’ ranks by almost half over two decades.
“We could end up with a couple thousand fewer banks within a few years,” said Terry Moore, managing director of consulting firm Accenture’s North American banking practice. “You could say we’re overbanked right now.”
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I’d go so far as to say we are overbanked, overindebted, and undermonied.
I for one would much rather have lots of smaller banks than have a few really big banks.
Part of the purpose of the Fed is to facilitate the trend toward the latter. It’s a lot easier for big entities like JPM, GS, BofA, etc. to control the federal government, and our economy as a whole.
Ditto, ditto, ditto…
(Does this post make me a follower of Rush?)
It is kind of hard to run a competitive lending industry when so many 800 lb gorillas are running around shaking down all of the coconuts from the trees for their own enjoyment…
…and underemployed.
America can compete
US Call-Center Jobs — That Pay $100K a Year
“BusinessWeek profiles a call centre company called iQor which has grown revenues 40% year-on-year by (shock) treating employees as critical assets. It’s done this not by nickel-and-diming, but by expanding its U.S. operations (13 centers across the US now), giving employees universal health insurance, and paying salaries and bonuses that are nearly 50% above industry norms. The article notes that outsourcing will continue and globalization will continue to change the world’s economic landscape. ‘But the US is hardly helpless. With smart processes and the proper incentives, U.S. companies can keep jobs here in America, and do so in a way that is actually better for the company and its employees.’ Now if only other companies get a clue as well.”
via slashdot
The only person making $100K at a call center ANYWHERE is the lead engineer or director.
You avg tech is damn lucky to see $20hr with the real avg at $12hr. And that’s in the US.
But first you have get past HR who know absolutely NOTHING about the tech they are hiring for.
“But first you have TO get past HR who knowS absolutely NOTHING about the tech they are hiring for.”
*sheesh* (and that’s why I’m not an author
)
another highly-productive american company:
http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-budgeting/article/107615/meet-getco-high-frequency-trade-king.html
This represents the cutting edge of what we make here in America - which is nothing!
The Portrait Artist as a Not-So Young Gal:
Lender Sues Annie Leibovitz, Seeking Her Homes to Pay $24 Million Debt (NY Times)
IF money and fame are the yardsticks, Annie Leibovitz is one of the most successful photographers of all time. She has a seven-figure salary from Vanity Fair and commands tens of thousands of dollars a day from commercial clients like Louis Vuitton. Her latest book, “At Work,” made best-seller lists, and an exhibition of her classic images — Demi Moore naked and pregnant, Mikhail Baryshnikov on the beach — has been touring the world for over two years.
So as the news has spread in recent months that Ms. Leibovitz is facing extraordinary financial troubles, with the possibility of losing her Civil War-era town houses in Greenwich Village, a home in upstate New York and the rights to decades of her work, many have formulated the same questions: How is this possible? How could an artist of her standing be in such financial straits? If Annie Leibovitz can’t make it in New York, who can?
On July 29, Ms. Leibovitz was sued in State Supreme Court for nonpayment by a company that had lent her $24 million, and which demanded access to her homes so it could begin the process of selling them to satisfy her debt. Ms. Leibovitz had taken out the loan last year, pledging as collateral properties in Greenwich Village and in Rhinebeck, N.Y., her negatives and the rights to her photographs. The lender, Art Capital Group, claims Ms. Leibovitz is behind on hundreds of thousands of dollars in unpaid fees associated with the loans.
The photographer, 59, declined to comment. Friends and colleagues said that despite her many successes, Ms. Leibovitz has been shadowed by a long history of less than careful financial dealings. Public records show that in the last two years, Ms. Leibovitz has faced tax liens of $1.4 million and two lawsuits claiming that she has not paid more than $700,000 in bills for photography services.
Wow, she is the Lenny Dykstra of photography.
Harrrumph! She is an artiste!
Again, “Fools and their money are soon parted, but how the heck did those fools get that damn money in the first place?”
Fat, Drunk and Stupid is No Way to Go Through Life
James Quinn Prudent Bear
Dean Wormer: “Did you boys see your grade point averages yet?”
Hoover: “They’re not posted yet, sir.”
Dean Wormer: “I’ve seen them. Mr. Kroger, two C’s, two D’s and an F - that’s a 1.2 grade average. Congratulations, Kroger, you’re at the top of the Delta pledge class.”
[Bluto gives Kroger a congratulatory nudge]
Dean Wormer: “Mr. Dorfman.”
Flounder: “Hellooooo.”
Dean Wormer: “0.2. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son. Mr. Hoover, president of Delta House - 1.6. Four C’s and an F. A fine example you set. Daniel Simpson Day has no grade point average. All courses incomplete. Mr. Blu- [looks up to see that Bluto has stuck pencils up his nose] Mr. Blutarsky. Zero POINT zero.”
─ Scene from Animal House (1978)
Wormer was correct. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life. An immeasurable swath of America has not heeded his advice. According to the Centers for Disease Control, 66% of adults over the age of 20 are overweight or obese. That is approximately 140 million adults. Somewhere between 15 and 20 million Americans can be classified as alcoholics.
There are 225 million people over 18, and 32 million of them do not have a high school degree. There are 32 million adults – 14% – who are illiterate (23% in California, 22% in New York, 20% in Florida, 17% in New Jersey). The United States’ spending per pupil in public schools at $9,266 is in the top 5 in the world. New York and New Jersey spend $14,000 per pupil and one-fifth of their adults are illiterate.
The American people’s ignorance and disinterest in the governance of this nation have allowed an oligopoly of politicians, bankers, and powerful corporations to seize control of the country and loot its riches for personal gain. By failing to educate themselves, millions of Americans have lost all of their power and are now dictated to by the few with knowledge. The elite who dictate the path of our country do not want the masses to become educated. Their power would be in jeopardy. The American public school system insures the retention of their power and wealth.
“Ow, my ballz!”
Maybe if they eat enough, they will qualify as ‘too big to fail’.
Wish I’d had that thought when I was still in school! I could have just eaten my way through calculus.
I once bit my Algebra book really hard. Does that count?
Please say that it does, Cassandra.
(Ever since that terrible day, me and Algebra have been sworn enemies.)
It would be interesting to know what the overlap is. That is how many are fat,drunk,illiterate, have no diploma, AND can’t read. How many fall into all categories, and how many fall into only one category. How many write as badly as I do.
Lets do some math (all in millions): 140 fat + 20 drunks +32 non grads + 32 illiterate = 224 million hey, that’s the same number the article says there are people over 18! There is room for each of us to be either fat, drunk, illiterate or uneducated!
I think they’re all here in Florida.
“ignorance and disinterest in the governance”
Pretty ignorant misuse of “disinterest” when he meant to say they are uninterested or indifferent.
“The American people’s ignorance and disinterest in the governance of this nation have allowed an oligopoly of politicians, bankers, and powerful corporations to seize control of the country and loot its riches for personal gain.”
Interesting thesis. But quite frankly, I believe even a well-educated population can be systemically robbed by entrenched big-money interests with solid political backing.
“Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.”
Don’t go mesin’ wit ma persenel fredumz! I gots rites, ya nowe! Its non of yer dam bidznes how I lives ma live!
You are assuming the fat, drunk and stupid overlap. What if they are different groups, together accounting for 100% of the population?
Well I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that at least 90% of the population is stupid and at least 50% are fat.
I guess that’s 140% of the population?
Dang — you beat me to it!
Yep. They did say “fat”, right?
Baseball is 90% mental, the other half is physical.
Yogi Berra
Easy answer:
Rap and hip hop muzik has dumbed them down so much what do you expect? To read, write and speak English without swearing or using the N word?
How racist and insensitive to their cultural norms….
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New York and New Jersey spend $14,000 per pupil and one-fifth of their adults are illiterate.
“Fat, Drunk and Stupid is No Way to Go Through Life”
How about
Skinny, Drunk and Stupid or
Fat, Sober and Stupid or
Fat, Drunk and Smart RIP Ted.
More Cash-4-Clunkers, please?
The silver lining: The stock market always goes up, especially on bad news about the pace of real economic activity, as the worse the real economy looks, the closer the economy must be to reaching a bottom.
Japanese exports continue to fall
(Cargo containers at port near Tokyo
Falling car sales were partly blamed for declining exports)
Japanese exports slid in July at a faster annual rate than June, raising fears the effects of global stimulus measures are starting to decline.
Exports from the world’s largest exporter were down 36.5% last month compared with July 2008.
Slower car sales to the US, Middle East and Russia were blamed for the decline, which followed June’s 35.7% fall.
Figures released last week showed that Japan’s economy grew between April and June, ending its year-long recession.
But economists said these latest export figures indicated that reports of a global recovery could have been premature.
“Falls in exports have been moderating in recent months on companies’ restocking efforts and government stimulus worldwide, but the July data indicate that the recovery momentum is losing steam,” said Seiji Shiraishi, chief economist at HSBC Securities.
“It is questionable whether exports will continue to recover once the stimulus effect runs out.”
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Toyota to pull out of California plant: sources
Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:52pm EDT
By David Bailey and John Crawley
DETROIT/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp has decided to end production at a California plant it has shared with General Motors for 25 years, industry sources said on Thursday.
Toyota’s board met earlier in the day and decided to shut the plant in March, according to two sources, who had direct knowledge of the decision but were not authorized to speak on the record.
The Japanese automaker’s operations at the Fremont, California, facility employ about 4,500 people.
A Toyota representative declined to comment on the reports, saying that the automaker expected to release a statement on the plant later on Thursday.
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That plant may directly employ 4500 people, but there is quite a few more that work for companies supplying services ore making parts for the plant that will be unemployed as well.
EXCLUSIVE: AIG CEO defends holiday, slams “lynch mob” attacks
Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:31pm EDT
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“We have the ability. I know that I am telling people we are allowed to,” he said. “What I don’t know is if people (employees) are willing to. A lot of them feel hurt, embarrassed, a lot of people have lived in fear because of what I call lynch mobs with pitchforks.”
Benmosche was referring to severe criticism of the bonuses paid to some AIG staff at the financial products unit at the center of its meltdown. The verbal assaults by politicians and in the media led to several demonstrations, including a bus tour of employee homes near the unit’s Wilton, Connecticut headquarters, and threats to others.
“People think it is funny but it is not when it is your children,” he continued, his voice rising in anger. “It is not when you come home and you find people in front of your home and you had to sneak your children out in the middle of the night so that they are not attacked in a country called America.”
“It was wrong. I think that when you do that, when you incite that kind of feeling in people, it makes it difficult to come to work the next day and say ‘I’m going to work hard.’”
“It was a horrible period of time and I am hopeful that it is over.”
A year from now, Benmosche said he hopes to wow people with AIG’s performance.
“I think we will be clear as to what the vision is, what the reality of that vision is. We’ll have a better sense of what our strategic companies will be worth, and what the marketplace will be worth, and people will say, wow, AIG is performing well,” he said.
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“The verbal assaults by politicians and in the media led to several demonstrations, including a bus tour of employee homes near the unit’s Wilton, Connecticut headquarters, and threats to others.”
Links to references, please?
I noticed long ago how popular garage sales are in “wealthy” California, but this is over the top:
Aug 27, 2009, 5:45 p.m. EST
California wants to turn junk, trunks into cash at garage sale
Schwarzenegger signs state’s old cars to lure buyers
By Brittany Levine, MarketWatch
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) - -The U.S. government paid for clunkers, but California wants it the other way around.
To reduce government waste and raise money, the state is selling thousands of items including old cars — some have Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s signature on the visor–at what it’s calling the Great California Garage Sale. The sale is taking place at a Sacramento warehouse on Friday and Saturday, and on Ebay and Craigslist.
Last month, Schwarzenegger signed an executive order to reduce the state’s motor fleet by 15% following reports of waste and abuse as independent reviewers found state employees often took cars home. The executive order influenced a spring cleaning of sorts across state agencies, which added old laptops, coat racks and box cutters to the garage sale inventory.
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Mexican unemployment at 6.2%?
Hell let’s move to Mexico! Illegally of course!
they will shoot you at the border when you cross the rio grande the wrong way….
Good luck! They’re supposed to be tight as a drum as far as that goes. And they control their southern border to make sure they aren’t overrun by the even poorer peoples south of them. Of course, if we were to do the same thing they do, it’d be racist.
How do you know this? I really want to know.
Oh, I forgot to complete my request—because I have heard the same thing, from credible sources, but how do YOU know this? Just tell the top layer of knowingness, if you would.
I know because I live in Houston and have for decades. I’ve talked to everyone from illegals to legals (1st and second generations) to law enforcement and get news daily on the subject.
The federals and/or the local cops will shoot you if you so much as look at them the wrong if you’re caught doing anything illegal and their borders are far, far tighter than ours and you do NOT have the same rights as a citizen.
Have I ever been to Mexico? Nope. Too poor. (how’s THAT for irony?) But also no desire. Now Brazil or Venezuela…
How else to explain my repeated failure to win the ‘best buns’ contest in Cancun, no matter how much I drank?
http://www.cis.org/article/2002/back702.html
ooops, try this instead http://www.cis.org/MexicoSouthernBorder-Policy
ooops, try this instead http://www.cis.org/MexicoSouthernBorder-Policy
Thanks. Sort of.
‘Thanks. Sort of.’
Waddya want? I give you an anecdote, I give you a link.
And you want more. I once saw I thought a John Stossel piece specifically on how strict they are on Americans trying to work down there, but I can’t find it. Any google search involves wading thru 2000 pages of links about them coming here.
Well, I will award you the ‘best buns on the HBB,’ unless we have a challenger. Anyone?
Waddya want? I give you an anecdote, I give you a link.
I changed my mind, and now I want a Mexican recipe. I don’t even care what for; I trust you.
I don’t even care what for; I trust you.
I mean, with a Mexican recipe.
Well, I will award you the ‘best buns on the HBB,’ unless we have a challenger. Anyone?
I didn’t get to the buns part. I just read a whole bunch of gloomy stuff about gettin’ shot.
But, on spec, I will go ahead and second your vote.
But, on spec, I will go ahead and second your vote.
But only as long as I get a good Mexican food recipe from Mr. Winsome Buns!
Yay! Best buns on the HBB! Put that in your pipe and smoke it, mr. pussycat.
A Mexican recipe for the unsatisfiable one in honor of our sham wow prostitute and her can-do attitude-
The Sham Wow Tongue Taco
French kiss cow and rip tongue out with teeth. Rinse. Blanche in boiling water, then place in ice water. Remove loosened fuzzy taste bud layer of flesh and save for practical jokes. Braise remaining tongue in red wine with onions, peppers, carrots, bay leaf til ‘melt in your mouth tender’. Shred and use to make any kind of taco that floats your boat. Be careful to consume only the beef tongue, and not your own. Also makes great next day hash!
Ahhhhh! Rapturous!
….I…I…I have no response to this recipe*.
*Other than satisfied wonderment. Thanks, slow-moving moss-laden upside-down Bum-Contest Winner. Going to give it a try! Just as soon as I see a cow that doesn’t run away the minute it spots me.
*testy *
get the cow drunk first, is my technique
get the cow drunk first, is my technique
Ahhhhh! Rapturous!
….I…I…I have no response to that one, either*.
*Oh, wait, yes I do. I have to lament the wasted years firstly, and then rush right out with a bottle of…well, I don’t know. What do cows like to drink? They don’t like beer. I know that from trying it out on some handy cows a long time ago.
But maybe they just didn’t like my technique. I walked up and smacked them on the hindquarters in a familiar fashion and then tried to poke a beer bottle in their cute little mouths. That works with hookers, but it didn’t work with cows.
If you’re currently running for the border, you’re off the official stats.
If you include the number of unemployed illegal aliens in America, I bet that number would jump.
America’s Cheapest Homeownership Markets
When It’s Better to Buy than Rent
By Diana Holden
One of the biggest lessons of the recent housing collapse is that not everyone can afford to own a home. Too many people were suckered into mortgages with zero down-payments only to be hit later by usurious interest rates. But in some markets, homeownership has become surprisingly affordable—without having to resort to smoke-and-mirror mortgages. The reason is that in these cities the annual average cost to own a home has fallen to little more—and in some cases less—than the cost of renting. Where are these places? Read on to find out.
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Land of the Rising Jobless?:
August 27, 2009, 8:15 pm EDT
TOKYO (AP) — Japan’s unemployment rose to an all-time high in July, and prices fell at a record pace, the government said Friday.
The jobless rate in the world’s No. 2 economy hit a seasonally adjusted 5.7 percent, the highest level in the post-World War II era and worsening from 5.4 percent in June, according to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications. The previous record was 5.5 percent, last hit in April 2003.
The total number of jobless in July jumped 40.2 percent from a year earlier to 3.59 million. Those with employment fell 2.1 percent to 62.7 million.
The labor ministry also reported Friday that the ratio of job offers to job seekers in July fell to an all-time low of 0.42. That means there were 42 jobs available for every 100 job seekers.
The specter of deflation intensified amid the labor market worries.
Japan’s key consumer price index, which excludes volatile fresh food prices, tumbled a record 2.2 percent in July from a year earlier, the government said.
Lower prices may seem like a good thing, but deflation can hamper growth by depressing company profits and causing consumers to postpone purchases, leading to production and wage cuts. It can also increase debt burdens.
The nationwide core CPI, which excludes volatile fresh food prices, has dropped for five straight months. The figure marks steepest decline since the officials began compiling comparable data in 1971.
The core CPI for Tokyo retreated 1.9 percent in August, suggesting that prices nationwide are headed further south. Prices in the nation’s capital are considered a leading barometer of price trends across Japan.
Meanwhile, a separate government report showed that families spent less. Average household spending, a key barometer of individual consumption, in July declined 2 percent from a year earlier.
News from behind “The O.C” curtain:
‘Real housewife’ may be evicted from her home Thursday…for real this time:
August 26th, 2009, by KELLI HART, THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER:
“Though TMZ is reporting that “Real Housewife” Lynne Curtin and family have received an eviction notice and are supposed to be out Thursday, there were no signs of moving at her Laguna Beach house today.
“We were unable to confirm the eviction because a clerk at the Orange County Superior Court informed us that the documents are sealed, but court documents confirm that Curtin and her husband were evicted from their Capistrano Beach home in late May.”
According to court documents, Curtin and husband had a writ of possession, or five-day eviction notice, served to them from their landlord in late May for an unpaid amount of $13,480 in rent and damages in Dana Point. “Writ of possession” is fancy for, “if you don’t move out, we’ll send law enforcement to kick you out.”
From the “comments”: ( Hey Neil, this poster could use some of your FAMOUS popcorn & Ben’s favorite micro brew!)
Chefgal says:
August 27, 2009 at 10:22 am
It’s only a misfortune if they actually were living within their means and came upon hard times. Nope, this familiy and thousands others live a life they never could afford to begin with. They were living off an image. So yeah, I think it is hysterical that this ‘misfortune’ happened to them. Most people should be learning the lesson in their early 20s when they quickly learn that you can’t live outside your means. These are grown adults with adult children themselves who never learned how to be comfortable with who you are rather than what people think of you and trying to uphold an image you cannot afford.
If would only be a true misfortune if they were living modestly and simple while something tragic happened that caused them to by no real fault of their own be in this situation. That…didn’t happen. Therefore, I would love to bring beer and popcorn to their home and watch them move out with lots of other people such as myself that do live a simple modest life.
wheresthebeef says:
August 27, 2009 at 12:23 pm
I wonder who will rent to this family now after being evicted from 2 separate homes within a few months? My guess is no one.
All the negative feeling to these people are well deserved. OC as a whole is filled with people like this. During the boom years, they thought they literally ruled the world. Driving a leased 100k car, flashy wardrobes and working as RE agents or in the mortgage business (usually with high school diplomas), and thumbing their noses at the “other” people in the world…I personally knew of plenty of these types of people. It was all about image and they thought the party would never end. Oh, how times have changes…and I’m enjoying every minute.
JohnTheBaptist says:
August 27, 2009 at 10:39 am
Orange COunty. . . Where the faux rich and famous lease their lifestyle. Pretty soon, these wives will be for lease as well
TheAllKnowing says:
August 26, 2009 at 10:50 pm
“Oh, you could not write a better plotline that this, as it all comes crashing down around these horrible, fraudulent people. This is the funniest thing I’ve heard of all summer long!”
Yep, this whole situation seems like it was taken straight from the movie “Startup.com” - a great movie that takes place in the dot com boom days about a company that was going to make untold fortunes. It wa an interesting movie that was filmed in real time… so you got to see the company go from thinking they were going to rule the world to going to the end of the unemployment line.
I am late to the party as usual. Really bites - not a morning person, and lucky enough to still have a job that is much better than a McJobbe.
But I want to add to the general admiration for ahansen’s article from ?yesterday? day before yesterday? - it was, as usual, literate and far reaching. Kudos, ahansen! Fer cryin’ out loud, write your memoirs, woudja?
There. I now feel I have closed an open switch. I am going to return to my hamster wheel. Thank you.
Running on hamster wheels can be rather useful devices for people who like to eat, no?
PB, true dat. Productive engagement with hamster wheels of ever increasing complexity yea, these many years, has ensured me a minimum of body fat.
Aug. 27 (Bloomberg) — The Federal Reserve argued yesterday that identifying the financial institutions that benefited from its emergency loans would harm the companies and render the central bank’s planned appeal of a court ruling moot.
The Fed’s board of governors asked Manhattan Chief U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska to delay enforcement of her Aug. 24 decision that the identities of borrowers in 11 lending programs must be made public by Aug. 31. The central bank wants Preska to stay her order until the U.S. Court of Appeals in New York can hear the case.
“The immediate release of these documents will destroy the board’s claims of exemption and right of appellate review,” the motion said. “The institutions whose names and information would be disclosed will also suffer irreparable harm.”
The Fed’s “ability to effectively manage the current, and any future, financial crisis” would be impaired, according to the motion. It said “significant harms” could befall the U.S. economy as well.
Please oh please let this judgy call the bluff of these criminals.
“The institutions whose names and information would be disclosed will also suffer irreparable harm.”
This is about the MSM’s never-ending campaign to rile people up, creating news where no news exists if necessary, in order to sell subscriptions.
Bloomberg asked for all sorts of information from the Fed so he could bash them and their policies in his newspapers. The Fed no doubt told him to stick it. Bloomberg then sued the Fed.
The case is Bloomberg LP v. Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, 08-CV-9595, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).
But, for some, the enemy of my enemy is my butt-buddy..
You’re trippin’ again, dude…
trippin?
i’ll tell you what’s a trip.. it’s that we got a bunch of old hippies screaming “Tear it all down, man!”, just like in the olden days.
People who got nothing to lose having any voice in the matter is a trip. People hating the MSM one day and loving it the next is a trip. Ignorant bastids who don’t give a crap about anyone but themselves thinking they know how to pilot the ship is a trip.
Nattering nabobs of negativism…
… oh my
The judges appear to be the only hope for subjecting the Fed to the checks and balances of the Constitution, not to mention for subjecting the banking sector to a rule-of-law. Clearly the will is not generally there among members of the Executive or Legislative branches of government.
It was a sight to see blocks of people waiting just to fill out an application. I live about 5 blocks from this place.
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Aug 24, 2009 5:34 pm US/Eastern
Local Plumbers Go To Great Lengths For Union Cards
1,000 Applications Handed Out To Prospective Plumbers Who Have Waited On Line For Days
Plumbers set up camps as they waited on line for days in Long Island City. More than a thousand men and women lined up hoping to get a chance at a union card.
Three nights on the street, in the rain, just for a chance at a new career.
Welcome to the Plumbers Union Local #1 recruitment drive; a weekend long adventure that wasn’t for the faint of heart.
The unofficial count for the line that stretched around several blocks was about 1,500 people, and Nick Criscione was lucky enough to be first in line.
“I’ve been here since Friday, 10 a.m.,” the Stony Point resident told CBS 2 HD. “They come when they want, but I’m dedicated.”
The hard truth about this process?
Only the first 1,000 people will get to fill out an application.
Dominique Tindal, one of only several women waiting on the long line, says she realizes in this difficult econonic climate, competition is fierce for a coveted union card.
“Ladies, apply for the job,” she said. “It doesn’t matter whether you’re a girl. It doesn’t matter if you’re a boy. Work is work. A job is a job.”
Being one of the first 1,000 people lucky enough to get an application is just the beginning of the process. The union intends to accept only 100 people into the program.
“My son, he finished high school, went to college,” said Local #1 plumber Dwight Greaves. “Now he decides he wants to come into the trade because it’s a very good trade.”
Applicants must eventually provide proper identification, proof of a high school degree or an equivalent, and pass the State Department of Labors aptitude test.
The payoff is simple: a new plumbing career that can pass as much as $90,000 a year.
“With the economy being what it is today, you know, everybody has family, everybody has responsibilities,” said prospective plumber Brian Guillot. “People want to take care of their family. And you just want to be able to have a start, have a future.”
Applicants have until Oct. 2 to return their paperwork to the training center. The jobs command close to $50 an hour, plus benefits.
By an amazing coincidence, despite decoupling of the US and Asian economies, green shoots of recovery have shot up in Japanese economy in the very same year they sprouted in the US economy.
A higher unemployment rate is a green shoot because it means a bottom must be just ahead, right???
Japan’s Jobless Rate Hits Record 5.7% in Blow to Aso (Update1)
By Toru Fujioka and Mayumi Otsuma
Aug. 28 (Bloomberg) — Japan’s unemployment rate rose to a record 5.7 percent in July and deflation worsened, dealing a blow to Prime Minister Taro Aso on the eve of an election that polls indicate his ruling Liberal Democratic Party will lose.
The jobless rate rose more than economists estimated, surpassing the previous record 5.5 percent last seen in April 2003, the statistics bureau said today in Tokyo. Consumer prices dropped an unprecedented 2.2 percent from a year earlier.
Yukio Hatoyama’s Democratic Party of Japan may end the LDP’s 54-year grip on power as jobs vanish in the wake of the country’s worst postwar recession. Household spending slid 2 percent last month, indicating Aso’s cash handouts as part of a 25 trillion yen ($267 billion) stimulus plan are failing to spur demand among consumers whose wages are falling.
“The economy is the key factor for the election,” said Masamichi Adachi, senior economist at JPMorgan Chase & Co. in Tokyo. “Voters naturally direct their frustrations about the slumping economy at the incumbent government.”
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As my recent post suggests, bad economic news is really just a green shoot in disguise, as it provides clear indication that a bottom is on the way any day now:
Japan hunts for recovery
Grim data has analysts looking for economic bottom
Japanese unemployment jumps to a record high in July, though some analysts now make the argument that various signs are actually bullish in terms of a coming turnaround.
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Comments:
- Only a m0ron or an imbec!le would instantly jump to the conclusion that bad economic news is an indication that a bottom is on the way.
- The MSM financial press is heavily populated these days with m0rons and imbec!les posing as ‘experts.’
The MarketWatch people have been deleting my comments on their web site. I guess they don’t like it when I point out that some of their columnists are m0rons?
Case in point:
Aug 28, 2009, 12:30 a.m. EST
Japan’s employment picture ugly, but is it a bottom?
By Chris Oliver, MarketWatch
And BTW, some bottoms are not only ugly, but they also are smelly.
Wow! Twenty more long years of renting ahead… Yegads!
Is Unemployment the Worst Since the Great Depression?
By Matthew Bandyk
Thu Aug 27, 4:27 pm ET
The “Great Recession” is the name that has stuck for the economic decline that began in late 2007. But there’s some reason to think that using the word recession is being kind.
The U.S. gross domestic product has shrunk 3.9 percent in the past year, the worst drop since the Great Depression. Plenty of observers are willing to say that this recession is much deeper than anything we’ve seen since the 1930s–including the big dip in the early 1980s, generally accepted as the other candidate for the worst recession since the Great Depression. “I think it’s way worse today,” says Ridgely Evers of Tapit Partners, a longtime entrepreneur and venture capitalist who founded the software company Netbooks (now known as WorkingPoint). In the recession of 1981 and 1982, “people recognized it as a dip. [Today,] nobody thinks we are going to come back out in relatively short order.” This recession seems to have dragged on longer. According to the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER), the U.S. economy was in recession from July 1981 to November 1982–16 months. But the current recession started in December 2007, says the NBER, so it’s already longer than the last big one.
See Why the Housing Rebound Could Take 20 Years
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This ursine has been out-beared.
Why a Housing Rebound Could Take 20 Years
August 12, 2009 11:15 AM ET | Rick Newman
You know where the housing market has been. You may not want to know where it’s headed.
There are tentative signs the depressed housing market may finally be close to bottoming out. That might sound like good news, but hitting bottom doesn’t mean an upward rebound will follow anytime soon. Economist Celia Chen of Moody’s Economy.com has published a forecast suggesting that residential real estate could take 10 years to recover in most states—and 20 years in Florida and California.
[See 10 cities facing the next real estate bust.]
Chen predicts that house prices will stop falling by the second quarter of 2010, which is consistent with what the Federal Reserve and many other forecasters have said. But her longer-term outlook helps explain why many economists are gloomy about the nation’s economic prospects for the next several years. Some of Chen’s predictions:
By the time house prices stop falling, they’ll be down 43 percent from peak prices reached in 2006, as measured by the Case-Shiller home-price index.
That will mark the deepest housing correction since 1890, and probably ever in the United States (meaningful data go back only to the late 19th century). The prior worst housing bust was from 1916 to 1932, when house values fell 37 percent. Beating that dismal record suggests we’re no smarter now than in the Great Depression.
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This is surreal…
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Cash-strapped California holds garage sale
* California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signs sun visors from cars ahead of the state Garage Sale.
* Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger captioned this photo
* Cindy Wang, a dentist from San Jose, inspects a dental chair that will be for sale as part of the Great California Garage Sale in Sacramento, California.
Scott Casey
August 28, 2009 - 12:41PM
California is in desperate need of cash.
And just like a one of America’s millions of struggling households needing to pay the mortgage they are throwing open the doors for what will be one of the biggest ever garage sales.
The Great California Garage Sale will see 6000 surplus state-owned items sold including an antique piano, a dentist chair, motorcycles, Blackberrys, office equipment, jean shorts, diamond rings and a range of vehicles.
Media has latched onto the story with American comedian Jimmy Kimmel making fun of California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in a spoof ad on his late night comedy show Jimmy Kimmel Live.
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