Bits Bucket For August 29, 2009
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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Hello everyone,
I think my last post got cut off, but I’m still FIRST!!!
I am doing well, as is the 82nd Airborne Division here in Kandahar.
I also want to thank all of you who posted about the VA loan program. It is sort of sad I didnt know as much as I did, but now I am much more educated…Anyone got any good housing news today?
Also, for the lady that is Ahanson, please forgive if I have gotten your logon wrong..
I think you are out of town, but I want you to know how pleased I was when I reread your story. Although I think me and you are from different views politically, I was intrigued by your fight with the bear and how you survived. I wanted to ask about your dogs and their status at the moment. Otherwise, me and alot of my friends here were discussing your story, and I said, “Hey, I sort of know her!” My friends asked me to tell you good job, and we wanted to give you a big HOOAH and AIRBORNE!! I feel it an honor to say I have conversed with you..
Otherwise, on with the realtor and broker bashing!!!
Anybody got any good Realtor jokes? I actually do use them at meetings here in afghanistan…
Stpn2me
Hi Step!!
Glad things are going good for buddy!
When is the LSAT?
Actually,
The LSAT is next month, but I dont know if I am going to be able to take it. Our operations tempo is too high right now and I cant study like I need to. I may wait until the winter….
Stepn2me,
If you have the time and the access (big “IF” in Afghanistan, I suppose), I found it very helpful to take a test prep course ahead of the LSAT. I placed in the top 10% when I took it waaayyy back in the day, and I have to thank the prep class for that.
I decided against law school in the end, though.
In order to score well on the LSAT, it seems to me that an LSAT prep course is essential. It’s no guarantee of success but it’s a big plus. I think the Kaplan course is among the most popular.
My evidence is knowing someone who did really well on the LSAT after taking a well known prep course. A total anecdote of course, but a data point too.
I agree
Hi Step, Glad to hear about your doings. I was wondering how you were doing in Afghanistan. I don’t get to read the HBB2 as much as I would like anymore, since I’ve gotten so busy at my job with various projects and mandatory (!) overtime, but I’m glad to see you’re still kickin’ it. Good job !
Stepn, you may have seen this before? (Some are funny.)
http://realestatejokes.nationalrealtorsdirectory.com
You can also take just about any lawyer joke and sub in a realtor, (value added is equivalent).
Risking double post because filter maybe didn’t like my punctuated link.
Stepn, You may have seen this before. (Some are funny.)
http colon slash slash realestatejokes dot nationalrealtorsdirectory dot com
That’s a good link..thanks…
“Anybody got any good Realtor jokes?”
Sorry for anyone who has seen the last 30 or so times I posted this, but just for you:
Q. How do you know if a Realtor™ is lying to you?
A. Check whether his lips are moving.
Did you hear they’re using Realtors instead of rats for lab experiments now?
The reason being given is that there are more of them and you don’t get as attached to them……..
(Actually an old lawyer joke)
Q:
What’s black and brown and looks good on a ____? (*take your pick- realtor or lawyer*)?
A: A rottweiler!
About the dogs …….It was amazing how the dogs worked together to divert the bear . One of the dogs got hurt ,but recovered . That’s what I like about dogs . I had a dog one time that was willing to die for me when I was out in the forest .
But ,this amazing lady saved her own life by the way she escaped ,with a little help from her furry friends .
Always glad to see you post stepn. Glad to hear the 82nd Airborne is doing well:
Here’s a recycled blonde joke for ya. Works for realtors:
What do you call 10 realtors sitting in a circle in your basement?:
An underground dope ring.
Glad to hear that you are doing fine. I don’t have any family in the military at the moment, so you the one I worry about when there is bad news.
I’m cool Wolfgirl…
Thanks for your thoughts. I know the MSM isnt really reporting the good news, like the fact we are taking the fight right to the enemy now. We are having alot of successes, but for some reason, only when we screw up gets published. I wish I could show you guys some of the gun tapes I see, where they are emplacing IED’s or setting up roadside bombs and we catch them. What a great party that is!
It’s great to see a struggling democracy in action, especially an islamic republic. The taliban was actually cutting off people’s fingers that was used to vote because it was stained blue. How someone could be against this war and say they are for human rights is beyond me. I was listening to someone talk about how bad our interrogation techniques were, but I didnt hear a peep about THAT situation. I’m glad we are here helping these people, it gives me a greater appreciation for my own republic…If we leave, these freedom loving people are helpless against animals. Inside most afghans is an american, trying to get out…
Exeter mysteriously falls silent…
+1 wolfgirl, especially when the report is from Kandahar.
I’ve got a nephew who drives heavy equipment in Iraq. He rebuilds the berms after they get blown up.
Stepn2me
“I think my last post got cut off, but I’m still FIRST!!! ”
Any officer who is shoved or pushed up FIRST is usually our designated stick wind dummy here at LZ Ben’s Happy Housing Bubble Blog. Our ground winds are estimated at 3-5 knots –with the possiblity of entertaining and exciting gusts up to 17-20 knots. Indentified LZ smoke is dancing merrily below on Misty Morning Lane and red light is going green in Three-Zero seconds and it’s definitely going to be a “GO” this morning gang.
“Please….Stand in the Door…Sir”
An old Black Patch Raider, RECONDO and a big AIRBORNE “Good Morning” to you…MR FIRSTY
LOL,
I just hope I dont become a toe jumper! Which do you prefer? Sicily or Normandy drop zone?
With winds, I would prefer Sicily…even though I am not airborne qualified, I have been in the C-17 during many jumps. This old leg will stay in the plane THANK YOU very much.
……
C-17 flying over division
We dont give a Sh*t about a weather decision
You are about to get me motivated dude….
Did a few EZ C-130 and C-141 Hollywood and night jumps on both. The good folk at Ft. Bragg even bothered to plowed up the those DZ fields for gentle jumpers and cherries in the old days. I hated garrison duty at Bragg but the jumping was easy.
Landing on those DZ’s were nothing like a full equipment moonless night blast floating in from the China Sea those on penninsula crosswinds to simulate taking an aggressor airstrip on that hard old Japanese coral runway on Okinawa…One mistake and you were saying “Ouch” or swimming and splashing in deep waters with the visiting blur water sharks and fat evil sea snakes. Live body recovery, as well as parachute recovery, on those windy nights were a real Bit$H.
Regulators Shutter Three U.S. Banks, Bringing 2009 Toll to 84
Aug. 29 (Bloomberg) — Regulators closed banks in California, Maryland and Minnesota yesterday, pushing U.S. bank failures to 84 this year amid continuing fallout from the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was named receiver for Affinity Bank of Ventura, California, Bradford Bank of Baltimore and Mainstreet Bank of Lake Forest, Minnesota, after yesterday’s closings, the FDIC said. Assets of $1.9 billion and deposits of $1.7 billion from the three banks were turned over to new lenders at a total cost of about $446 million to the FDIC’s deposit insurance fund, according to agency statements.
Regulators have closed banks at the fastest pace in 17 years and more are likely as losses mount from soured real- estate debt. A total of 416 banks with combined assets of $299.8 billion failed the FDIC’s grading system for asset quality, liquidity and earnings in the second quarter, the most since June 1994, the regulator said in a report Aug. 27.
Pacific Western Bank of San Diego will assume the deposits of Affinity Bank, the FDIC said. Affinity, with $1 billion in assets and $922 million in deposits, had 10 branches. Two, based in San Mateo and San Francisco, will open today as Pacific Western branches; the rest will open Aug. 31 under new ownership, according to the FDIC. The regulator agreed to share losses on $934 million of the assets.
Central Bank of Stillwater, Minnesota, assumed $434 million in deposits at Mainstreet Bank, the FDIC said. Central Bank will pay a premium to purchase Mainstreet’s $459 million in assets, with the FDIC sharing losses on about $268 million. Mainstreet’s eight branches will open today as Central offices.
Buffett Stake
Manufacturers & Traders Trust Co. of Buffalo, New York, took over the deposits of Bradford Bank, the FDIC said. M&T, whose parent counts billionaire investor Warren Buffett among its biggest shareholders, is buying Bradford’s $383 million of deposits and $452 million in assets. The FDIC is sharing losses on $338 million of assets in the deal, the regulator said.
Bradford is the second Maryland-based bank acquired this year by M&T, which bought Baltimore-based Provident Bankshares Corp. in May. M&T picked up $5.1 billion in deposits and $6.3 billion assets in the Provident deal, according to a company filing.
The FDIC insures deposits at 8,195 institutions with roughly $13.5 trillion in assets and reimburses customers for deposits of up to $250,000 per account when a bank fails. The surge in failures has depleted the Washington-based regulator’s deposit insurance fund, which fell to $10.4 billion at the end of June from $13 billion in the previous quarter, the agency said. The total was the lowest since 1993.
In another six to twelve years, maybe they can stop calling it “the worst economic crisis SINCE the Great Depression.” (Emphasis mine)
It becomes increasingly clear to me the longer I pay attention that you can never know in real time whether you are at the end of an economic crisis. I would suspect it is much easier, in fact, to see a bubble inflating than to know when a crisis has ended and given away to green shoots of recovery.
Excellent point, as always, Prof. B.
“…you can never know in real time…”
I ought to qualify this by saying that economists have developed a set of statistical measures (GDP, unemployment, capacity utilization, inventory levels, etc) objective criteria to, as it were,
measure the economy’s health. But these are highly prone to manipulation.
Take inventories of cars on dealers’ lots as a case in point. Suppose some kind of govt stimulus measure were passed to quickly clear out inventories. Then judging by inventories of cars on dealers lots, the economy might soon look much healthier, as those with clunkers to trade in exercise their option, and pretty soon new car inventories are much lower than before. But would the inventory picture in that case mean the same thing as if unemployment had dropped and individuals were making decentralized decisions to buy cars during a genuine period of economic recovery?
If it were decentralized I would assume a higher savings and earning capacity for the average consumer (also less debt load)… e.g. more people able to buy newer cars.
If the inventory clear out is based on government incentive I would assume that those who were going to purchase new vehicles anyway but in the next few quarters or years have now decided to pull that decision forward to today because of the incentive. For the whole economy demand is simply pulled forward in time but there is no net gain. We trade in the future for today.
I suppose there is also the possibility some additional car sales due to incentive and consumers deciding to increase their debt load for this ‘deal’. This is of course again trading in the future for today.
“We trade in the future for today.”
Bingo. I think the C4C program has burned the chair legs out from under auto demand for the next few quarters. Good luck to all the auto workers out there who bought into the ‘green shoots’ story…
PB, are you suggesting that “we” may be wrong and are simply failing to recognize the recovery as it unfolds?
My conviction (in 2006) that the bubble was bursting or about to burst was very strong; my conviction that housing will continue its decline is almost equally strong.
I may be coasting on the fallacy that if I was right in 2006 (and a few other times?) I am still right.
‘PB, are you suggesting that “we” may be wrong and are simply failing to recognize the recovery as it unfolds?’
I was not offering a judgment, but merely pointing out the difficulty of making one.
I fired off another post which might provide clarification on what I personally believe is happening as regards the relationship between official statistics and the risk that extraordinary government interventions might distort their ability to correctly diagnose the economy’s health status. (The issue brings to mind the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle known to physicists…)
To az-lender’s question:
I think the greatest risk faced by many who could see the bubble and consequently took steps to protect themselves is confusing inflation with currency devaluation. There is mounting evidence of the latter.
“Recovery” for whom?
The PTB? Maybe.
The rest of us? No way and not anytime soon.
I am highly suspect that the economic “experts” who failed to see the Hindenburg materializing before their very eyes can accurately foretell of an economic recovery.
Most economic “experts” are no different than most “financial advisers.”
They both exist to help you… out of your money.
Yesterday I saw an interview with the young star of the recent Woodstock-inspired movie on one of those syndicated entertainment shows. He said something to the effect that he watched old Woodstock documentary footage and noticed that the people didn’t have tatoos, weren’t obese, didn’t have waxed chests and “cut” upper body sculpting. He said “In other words, they looked normal”.
Right on. But it started me thinking about this obesity issue. Why IS obesity such a problem these days? The media razzmatazz is all about leafy greens and more exercise. BS. I didn’t eat my leafies that much back in the day and I’ll cop to being something of a couch potato. And I wuz skinny. Not to mention, the year that I lived in a New England ski resort and got the most exercise of my life, I wuz eatin’ and drinkin’ pretty good, too and porked out, but able to lose the weight.
I think there’s something really nasty in the food and maybe even the air that contributes to obesity and makes it hard to lose the weight. Maybe way too much sugar in foods that wouldn’t normally have it.
palmy:
we really should have a line of sugar only products and see what happens…..
I never heard of high fructose corn syrup when i was growing up…..only KARO syrup mom liked it..
even entemanns and high end foods have it
Obesity: the consequence of the government’s anti-smoking jihad.
Then why do I weigh 15 pounds less now than I did in the early 1990s? I lost that weight (through dieting) while I was still working and before I retired and became more physically active.
I do agree, however, that there’s something nasty in the food. It’s called high fructose corn syrup. Not sure how long it’s been part of everyone’s diet. Anybody know?
High fructose corn syrup started taking hold in the early-to-mid ’70s in the US.
A combination of corn subsidies and sugar tariffs make it a much cheaper option than sugar for US corporations.
don’t forget the food pyramid. I used to scoff, but I don’t remember such fetish about bagels and muffins and pasta as meals back in the 60s.
I think portion size is a major factor. Back in the sixties, coffee came in tiny cups, cokes came in 6 1/2 ounce bottles, burgers were smaller, fries were smaller, etc. Older dishware is smaller. People ate just as badly, they just ate a lot less. And I think the ‘drive everywhere’ mentality hadn’t set in yet. Oh, and kids actually went outside to play.
alpha-sloth,
thanks, you make many right on target good points.
Right, Sloth, add that with HIgh Fructose Corn syrup and you have the witches brew.
This is exactly what I was going to say. Portion sizes are massive now. It seems only some people will eat until full and then stop, while others will dutifully do what their Mom told them and “think of the starving people in Africa.”
Thankfully, I’ve almost always had the ability to stop when full and haven’t gained much weight since I was a kid. A trip for me to a terrible place like the Cheesecake Factory is almost always embarrassing because the server will frown at me when I tell him I don’t want to take the remaining 10 pounds of food home with me when I leave.
Demonizing high-fructose corn syrup and sugary drinks is popular as an excuse, but high-fructose means just that.. it’s almost identical to normal sugar as far as the amount of sugars it contains with the exception of having a slightly higher amount of fructose instead of glucose. It’s all processed by the body into the same thing anyways. I’d rather companies used sugar in drinks instead of corn syrup too, because it’s tastes better, not because it’s evil.
I used to consume 2-3 sodas a day and all that meant was I ate less (and was probably less healthy). I didn’t gain any weight because of it.
Don’t agree at all with the HighFructose corn syrup view you have. It isn’t Like sugar, it is genetically modified from corn to syrup. And it just has a “similar” sweetness, nothing at all like true pure cane sugar. One of the issues we have is that fruit juices and other bevs are loaded with HFCS, genetically modified corn origination, and our bodies can’t take the empty calories at all.
Genetically modified? This is a pretty simple compound with fructose and glucose. Stomach acid divides them into their component sugars and they get absorbed the same way fructose and glucose get absorbed when you eat them as sucrose/sugar.
What did you mean by genetically modified?
According to the National Soft Drink Association (NSDA), consumption of soft drinks is now more than 600 12-ounce servings (12 oz.) per person per year. Since 1978, soda consumption in the US has tripled for boys and doubled for girls. Young males age 12-29 are the biggest consumers at over 160 gallons per year-that’s almost 2 quarts per day.
http://www.globalhealingcenter.com/soft-drinks-america.html
Some people drink tons of soda and eat the same amount of food.. some drinks soda and eat less, because they’ve gotten calories from soda. I’m not going to suggest that the latter is more likely, it’s just how I lived when I was younger.
I think portion size is a major factor
+100
I have lost about 30lbs since coming to afghan. Since I eat in the chow hall, there are no leftovers. Plus, the food frankly sucks….
Oh, yes. That was before Liberalism really took hold. Now, judges and juries feel sorry for child molesters and killers and let them live in the community alongside you and your children.
One additional thought…stress makes most people eat more than they would otherwise want to. A lot of the things we discuss on how this country has changed in the last 40 years might contribute to that condition.
Good point, Carl. I think it is a combination of everything people have said, portions, ingredients, lifestyles though I disagree with “bink” on the effects of high fructose corn syrup on the body. I don’t think there have been enough studies to back up his/her claims. Also, I believe the # of foods containing high fructose corn syrup is quite troubling. It’s in nearly ALL processed foods. I think the key is to stay away from processed foods. There’s also one thing many have left out- all of the steroids in the meats we eat. I believe these are causing obesity and perhaps even cancer. Simply drinking milk and eating meat might be putting on excess pounds it might not have 30 years ago. These superchickens, etc. grow at an unbelievable rate and to an unbelievable size. Like the old saying goes- you are what you eat.
Even barbecue sauce has high fructose corn syrup.
I could not find any “fruit” juice at Kroger that did not contain HFC syrup.
There’s also one thing many have left out- all of the steroids in the meats we eat.
Don’t forget growth hormones and antibiotics.
Does n’t thoroughly cooking meat breakdown / destroy steriods ?
1. Bad food. (the good food is out there, but it’s outnumbered by the bad)
2. Overabundance. How many fast food places are there on one corner alone? Restaurants? Grocery stores? Convenience stores? Delis? Vending machines? There is damn near food on every single corner in every single town.
3. Lack of education.
4. Lack of discipline and peer pressure. (hey fatso! yeah you lard ass!)
5. STRESS. There is no stability in modern life. Constant change for the sake of change is not a good thing. “Churn” only benefits the PTB.
Blackstone’s Schwarzman Selling Hamptons Home for $7.2 Million
Aug. 28 (Bloomberg) — Blackstone Group LP’s Stephen Schwarzman, the highest paid chief executive officer in the U.S. last year, put his East Hampton home up for sale for $7.2 million, according to public records and the property listing.
The four-bedroom, three-bathroom Hamptons property, offered through broker Brown Harris Stevens, has a pool and tennis court, the listing shows. Judi Desiderio, president of Town and Country Real Estate on Long Island’s east end, said the house has been for sale “all summer.” She isn’t connected with it.
“Great price, in my professional opinion,” Desiderio wrote in an e-mail about the 3,250 square-foot home. “With the shift towards ‘less is more,’ this size house is back in fashion.”
Peter Turino, the listing agent for Brown Harris Stevens, declined to comment.
Schwarzman bought the property for $2.3 million in 1996, and paid $30,412 in property taxes on it in 2008, according to the East Hampton assessor’s office.
He’s selling it as he completes construction on a 9.9-acre estate in Water Mill, New York, also on Long Island, the Wall Street Journal reported today. He bought that property for $34 million in 2005, according to the Journal.
Schwarzman was the highest-paid executive in the U.S. last year, with compensation topping $702 million, the Corporate Library reported on Aug. 14.
His pay included $699.8 million from the vesting of one- quarter of the equity interest he was granted when he took Blackstone public in 2007, according to the Portland, Maine- based Corporate Library.
Schwarzman, 62, co-founded what became the world’s largest private equity firm and timed its initial public offering for the height of a five-year bull run for the Dow Jones Industrial Average.
Maybe he sees the handwriting on the wall and is trying to get out before Obama expropriates it and turns it into a multi-family dwelling a la “Doctor Zhivago.”
That’s $2215 per square foot.
And I thought I sold my San Jose home for a ridiculous price of $688 per square foot.
If you make $700 million a year, why quibble over selling a $7 million house?
If you make $700 million a year, why quibble over selling a $7 million house?
Ego.
Well he can’t just give it away!
He’s wasting his precious time on the deal. Why not give it to Goodwill and take the tax write-off?
After the boom and bust, housing prices rose at the same rate of inflation from 2001 to 2009, or not at all in real terms.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/29/business/economy/29charts.html?ref=business
New York “best performing” as its housing has become 20 percent more expensive. Best for whom? And I thought housing was getting overpriced relative to income here in 2001. There were big increases from 1998 until then.
But consider this - nationally the excess pricing relative to inflation, and we still have the effects of job loss and eventually interest rate increases on prices to come. Housing could get cheap.
From Irrational Exuberance, Shiller shows that inflation-adjusted U.S. home prices increased 0.4% per year from 1890–2004.
Throw in repairs, remodels and taxes and over the long run the personal residence is an expense… if you rent or own.
Yup!
We all see that in honesty, but there is something magical about having your own home…until the neighborhood goes section 8 and your neighbors become annoying.
TIPS and Series I bonds are a better deal than that 0.45% increase. Probably a 1% increase or 2%, but you get freedom from maintenance issues and can leave when you see the signs of your neighborhood turning into a slum.
Beer bottles on the steps to the assigned parking garage, a loud argument at 4:45a.m. a couple mornings ago and a man shouting “I’ll kill you bro…I’ll kill you bro!” Those are signs for me to move out at the end of my lease here in LA in November.
Sounds like an urban paradise.
I suppose someone has previously posted a link here to Jon Stewart’s Daily Show segment where Geithner’s RE agent and also Robt Shiller are interviewed about Geithner’s failure to sell his house. (Daily Show of 7/29/09.) I didn’t see it till this morning. For some reason, the funniest part for me is where Shiller is shown a picture of Geithner’s bathroom and says he doesn’t like the color of the tiles.
“…he doesn’t like the color of the tiles.”
That is hysterical and also highly relevant to the story about the difficulty of selling that particular house.
It reminds me of a childhood memory: Back in the late 1960s, my family traveled through Independence, MO. Somehow we crossed paths with an old friend of my dad’s who took us for a tour of Roger Marris’s home. The image of baseball bats, balls and gloves in the bathroom tile is forever seared into my memory.
Lesson for would-be sellers: The more obnoxiously idiosyncratic the decor in your home, the more difficult it becomes to find a buyer willing to buy your home at a comparable price for similar homes.
Roger Maris. The TRUE one season home run king.
I guess you are not too impressed by statistics that are artificially inflated by stimulus?
Ate:
hate to disagree with you….but Yes Maris did set the record without steroids
But over the years records were broken due to changes in the ballpark dimensions, war just think willie mays missed most of the 52 and all of 53 season due to korean war…and the next 2 years he hit 41 and 51 hrs…he would have passed ruths 714 back in 1971
http://www.andrewclem.com/Baseball/index.html
What?
You mean they arent going to like the little tanks on my bathroom tile?
Not to mention the 82nd “All American” Rug?
Just be sure you are located near a military base and you will be just fine (I suggest San Diego
).
San Diego is for squids….
My brother joined the Navy….
No offense to you squids on this board…
But the army rules!
When Aristide heard the president was going to drop the 82nd in on him, he immediatly wanted to negotiate. Now THAT’s power…
Squids are delicious, though (we call ‘em calimari…).
So squids is the term now. Back in my day they were often called “anchor clankers.”
Bill,
They had boats back then?
Squids are delicious, though (we call ‘em calimari…).
That way you can charge more …
HOW young are you guys anyway?
swabbies
never heard anchor clankers, not once.
swabbies
jarheads
I want to be an airborne ranger
I want to live a life of danger…
Ahem….
SFBG…
Two old ladies were lying in bed
One rolled other to the other and said…
I want to be an airborne RANGER
Live a life of GUTS and DANGER..
Airborne RANGER…..
GUTS and DANGER!!
I want to be a paramedic..
Shoot that FUNKY anestetic…
I want to be a scuba diver
Jump right in that muddy water…
I want to be mountain climber
Climb that mountain higher and higher..
Hey, nycdj, looks like there is a job opening you may be able to fill…
AP source: DJ AM is found dead
OBITUARY: He performed at Hollywood’s most exclusive parties.
NEW YORK — DJ AM, the sought-after disc jockey who became a celebrity in his own right with high-profile romances and a glamorous lifestyle, was found dead Friday at his apartment, which had drug paraphernalia in it, a law enforcement official said.
Paramedics had to break down the door to his Manhattan apartment before they found his body about 5:20p.m., the official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because family hadn’t been notified. There was no evidence of foul play, the official said.
DJ AM, whose real name was Adam Goldstein, had talked openly about past addictions to crack cocaine, Ecstasy and other drugs, but he claimed he had been drug-free for years.
He died nearly a year after surviving a South Carolina plane crash that killed four people and seriously injured rock musician Travis Barker.
Goldstein, 36, was a deejay for hire who performed at Hollywood’s most exclusive parties and was admired by music aficionados. He also was famous for past relationships with the reality TV star Nicole Richie, the daughter of singer Lionel Richie, and with actress-singer Mandy Moore.
Goldstein was critically injured in September when a Learjet crashed on takeoff in Columbia, S.C. The plane was transporting Goldstein and Barker, a drummer for the pop punk band Blink-182, after a performance; the pair had formed the duo TRVSDJ-AM.
Barker and Goldstein were burned, though Barker was injured more severely. Goldstein had to get skin graft surgery, but about a month later, he was performing again, joining Jay-Z on stage.
At the time, he told People magazine he was grateful to survive.
“I can’t believe I made it,” he said. “I’ve prayed every night for the past 10 years. There’s a lot more to thank God for now. … I was saved for a reason. Maybe I’m going to help someone else. I don’t question it. All I know is I’m thankful to be here.”
Goldstein rose to fame several years ago as highly sought-after DJ whose beats kept the dance floor packed and clubgoers hypnotized.
That is a sad story. Drugs are forever the beast.
On that upbeat note, I am going to brew myself a pot of dark roast…
Have some of mine, Professor. Freshly ground,
pipping hot, wonderful taste.
Wish I were there… I am thinking you are somewhere in Rogue River country?
On the Rogue river where Steelhead and Salmon are running. Time to get the gear out
and bait a hook. Come visit.
Back to bed to dream about steelhead and salmon fishing… coffee can wait (racquetball partners aren’t available today before 10am…).
very unfortunate-
drugs do kill
but working in the places this kid worked he was surrounded by drunken/drugged out people on a daily basis
you go to the barber shop enough times eventually you will get a hair cut
the dj is still looking for a job?
Yes Ate he was even FAT too before gastric bypass………but hey girls always like good FREE drugs ….
Drugs are forever the beast
My Step-father, the man who taught me to be a man, worked at RJ Reynolds at Whitaker Park in W.S. He barely graduated High School, but he was making $60,000 a year as a machine operator. He was tough, and he beat my butt many a time. I remember when things started missing out of the house. My mom bought him a motorcycle, a beautiful honda. He let one of his friends ride it to go buy a dime bag. The guy wrecked it. He only brought back the license tag. I remember going to pick the guy up. He said “You know how me and your dad do”…The guy didnt have a dime to his name. My Step dad started selling items out of our home and was staying out late at night. I was about 17 and I was starting to see what was going on. Ironicaly, he was the one who told me to only finance a house for 15 years as he did ours. When he sold my boom box and my sister’s electric piano, my mom left him. I remember going to drug rehabs all the time as he tried to get off crack. He ended up quiting his job (something you didnt do in Winston Salem in those days). He died while I was serving in Europe. He was truly a great man when he had his head about him….
That is a sad story. I could recount a similar one about my uncle.
Me too. He died at 42, sad story
Step, I learn something from you every day! Thanks for being here, and thanks for being there too.
Ditto, ditto, and ditto.
An old friend of mine from childhood just died. I went to school with him from kindergarten all the way through high school and part of college. Over the past decade I hadn’t talked to him much as he was severely messed up on alcohol and drugs. He collapsed and died in his moms bathroom last Monday am, at 40 years old, most likely of a drug overdose. I knew and remember him before he ever had his first sip of alcohol. It’s terrible what substance abuse will do to a person.
The 32 year old kid manager (my supervisor) fell into alcoholism just two years ago because drinking is cool. He wanted to be like his hero, some surfer dude at work who is an alcoholic but has more control. He got part of the deal. But did not get the machismo that he thought he’d have. He just wanted respect and image and to impress the younger women. But he lost what respect he already had, if he had any at all.
Too bad. I expect a DUI on him in a few years and his clearance taken away. That’s if he’s lucky. Otherwise his liver will be eaten up and he will go the way of your childhood friend.
Alcoholism is a tough thing to have, but it does not make one tough.
My former boss, too - crack, cocaine, alcohol, prescription drugs. Went from being a beautiful, blonde, successful billing manager at a hospital to, 10 years later, is now basically a crack whore who sleeps in crack dens in Detroit and who couldn’t even make it to her best friend’s funeral ( an older lady who had worked with her for 20 years and had taken her in off the streets twice ) because she was so high. The older lady, my very good friend and former coworker, had succombed to cancer. What a tragic situation.
Good story Stepn, made more so by the personal nature.
It made me appreciate my upbringing all the more.
..I was saved for a reason.”
Since he wasn’t saved this time, one must conclude he was saved to prove a plane crash is safer than a crack habit.
+1
Seems like the cosmic fly swatter got him on the second swing
It’s never a good idea to tempt Darwin.
Who could has seen this coming…
Banks ‘Too Big to Fail’ Have Grown Even Bigger
Behemoths Born of the Bailout Reduce Consumer Choice, Tempt Corporate Moral Hazard
[The Big Get Bigger]
Washington Post
When the credit crisis struck last year, federal regulators pumped tens of billions of dollars into the nation’s leading financial institutions because the banks were so big that officials feared their failure would ruin the entire financial system.
This Story
Today, the biggest of those banks are even bigger.
The crisis may be turning out very well for many of the behemoths that dominate U.S. finance. A series of federally arranged mergers safely landed troubled banks on the decks of more stable firms. And it allowed the survivors to emerge from the turmoil with strengthened market positions, giving them even greater control over consumer lending and more potential to profit.
J.P. Morgan Chase, an amalgam of some of Wall Street’s most storied institutions, now holds more than $1 of every $10 on deposit in this country. So does Bank of America, scarred by its acquisition of Merrill Lynch and partly government-owned as a result of the crisis, as does Wells Fargo, the biggest West Coast bank. Those three banks, plus government-rescued and -owned Citigroup, now issue one of every two mortgages and about two of every three credit cards, federal data show.
A year after the near-collapse of the financial system last September, the federal response has redefined how Americans get mortgages, student loans and other kinds of credit and has made a national spectacle of executive pay. But no consequence of the crisis alarms top regulators more than having banks that were already too big to fail grow even larger and more interconnected.
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“It is at the top of the list of things that need to be fixed,” said Sheila C. Bair, chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. “It fed the crisis, and it has gotten worse because of the crisis.”
Megabank, Inc keeps biggering and biggering and biggering…
I have to start using my credit cards from Chase Citigroup and BAC before they cancel my accounts! If you don’t use them, you lose them.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090829/ap_on_re_us/us_kidnapped_girl_found
The story of the kidnapped girl kept by her abductor in his backyard shows not just the mind-boggling incompetence and remarkable incuriousity of most local law enforcement, but also the decline in neighborhood cohesiveness over the years. There’s a quote from one neighbor to the effect of “you look after your own” to explain her indifference to the fact a mentally unbalanced convicted sex offender was living in their midst and keeping children in tents in his backyard.
Yeah, this story is shocking and terribly sad.
Yep, those local cops have some splainin’ to do.
“Yep, those local cops have some splainin’ to do.”
Their too busy busting 18-yr old men for having consensual sex with their 17-yr old girl friends.
Beware all you campers out there…
Warning on possible pot growers called profiling…
DENVER (AP) - A federal warning to beware of campers in national forests who eat tortillas, drink Tecate beer and play Spanish music because they could be armed marijuana growers is racial profiling, an advocate for Hispanic rights said Friday.
The warnings were issued Wednesday by the U.S. Forest Service, which is investigating how much marijuana is being illegally cultivated in Colorado’s national forests following the recent discovery of more than 14,000 plants in Pike National Forest.
“That’s discriminatory, and it puts Hispanic campers in danger,” said Polly Baca, co-chairwoman of the Colorado Latino Forum.
A spokesman for the U.S. Forest Service had no immediate response to Baca’s comments.
Forest Service officials said they believe illegal immigrants are being brought to Colorado by Latin American drug cartels for mass cultivation of marijuana.
Michael Skinner, a law enforcement officer with the U.S. Forest Service in Colorado, said warning signs of possible drug trafficking include “tortilla packaging, beer cans, Spam, Tuna, Tecate beer cans,” and campers who play Spanish music. He said the warning includes people speaking Spanish.
The warning signs were included in a slide presentation put together for drug agents in Colorado and the public.
Skinner said this may or may not represent criminal activity, but are indicators and he urged any campers who encounter long-term campers meeting the profile to “hike out quickly” and call police.
There was a huge bust yesterday, just a few miles away from where I live on Boulder Mountain (Wayne Co, So. Central UT). I think that’s the now the 3rd one in the Boulder Mountain area this year. Law enforcement claims that these are sophisticated operations run out of Mexico.
I’m think that all the money and effort spent going after cannabis is rather silly, but these large operations concern me. I like to do a lot of off-trail hiking all over the Boulder, and the only concern I’ve ever had is a bear or bobcat encounter, both very rare. On the other hand, take a wrong turn and find yourself between a Papa Grower Bear and some of his child plants…
This is a truly sickening trend. The fact that hikers need to worry about stumbling upon a foreign drug cartel’s grow operation while enjoying their own national forests is absolutely disgusting. We need to secure our borders, NOW.
Just one more in a stream of reasons to legalize it…
A federal warning to beware of campers in national forests who eat tortillas, drink Tecate beer and play Spanish music because they could be armed marijuana growers is racial profiling, an advocate for Hispanic rights said Friday.
Eating tortillas?
That’s like saying “Watch out for the white guy who cant dance”..We can all see he cant dance, but we cant talk about it because he’s white..I wonder if there’s club(disco) profiling when someone is looking for someone to dance with…..:)
I guess only hispanics eat tortillas and play spanish music…
Just look away….
You know what gets me going? Tortillas that proudly proclaim they’re made without lard.
Why make tortillas if you’re going to skip the lard?
Personally, I hate pot, but if they legalized it and taxed it, the gov’t could raise a lot of money for the deficit and national debt.
Will these money questions EVER be resolved?
“The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, which guarantees deposits at the nation’s nearly 8,200 banks, announced that the sector’s deteriorating health has forced it to add more than 100 new institutions to its list of so-called problem banks. When the second quarter closed, the FDIC had 416 banks on the list, up sharply from just 117 a year earlier and its highest level in 15 years. At the same time, the agency’s fund used to reimburse the depositors at failed banks has declined about 20 percent, to $10.4 billion. In light of these developments, it’s natural for consumers to wonder about the safety of their bank deposits”. Is your money safe?
When you deposit money in a bank you are loaning that money to the bank. Until you take it out it is the property of the bank. If the banker makes poor decisions and comes up short, ruined by too many bad loans, the FDIC will step in to be sure you don’t lose your money.
The U.S. News & World Report, quoted above, concludes that your money is safe because the FDIC can tap the U.S. Treasury for tax dollars if its insurance fund runs too low. The assurance seems to be - “You will get your money, but we don’t know if it will be worth anywhere near what it was when you deposited it.”
may not be worth anywhere near what it is now..
so… you suggest we pull money out of banks and spend it because inflation is running rampant or threatens to do so? I see no evidence to support it.
You again are confusing inflation with devaluation.
What have gas prices done this year in the face of demand destruction?
Gone up and stayed up.
Crazy ain’t it?
“You will get your money, but we don’t know if it will be worth anywhere near what it was when you deposited it.”
Bank failures are usually associated with deflationary economic fundamentals. Why are you so worried that the insurance claims payment on the value of your lost deposits would somehow be worth less than the value of the deposit was to begin with? In a deflationary environment, it seems just as possible if not more so that the nominal value of your FDIC ‘insurance claims payment’ would be higher than the nominal value of the failed bank’s deposit it replaced.
For a related example, given how many people thought the US was going to somehow turn itself into a replica of Zimbabwe, I was quite astonished by the rush to buy dollars that took place last fall when the Wall Street meltdown was in full swing. Deflationary fundamentals appear to have been the predominant force affecting the dollar’s value last year. Hence the saying, “Cash is king.”
Last resort does not equal security.
Here are a few questions to ponder for all the stock market bulls who have participated in the rally to push headline US stock index levels up by 50 percent since green shoots began sprouting last March:
1) Is the gap between the stock market’s level and underlying economic reality wider or narrower now than it was in March?
2) Is the recent rate of price appreciation sustainable? (Cough…)
3) How many people who have been piling in to stocks are planning to pull the plug at the first sign of weakness? (I talked to my baby sister-turned grown up stock market gambler yesterday, and can tell you that is her plan
)
4) With the huge number of banks recently failing and still-rising unemployment rates in many parts of the country, is it plausible that the economy is already recovering?
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Meltdown 101: Why banks’ struggles have worsened
By MARCY GORDON (AP) – 10 hours ago
WASHINGTON — Despite signs of an improving economy, the nation’s banks are still struggling — in fact, the pace of bank failures has accelerated.
What would it take to turn the banking sector around? And what can people do to protect their savings in the meantime?
Here are some questions and answers about the wave of U.S. bank failures, as the latest quarterly snapshot of the industry painted a grim picture.
Q: How bad is this wave of failures?
A: A cascade of collapses began last year as the financial crisis struck.
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I guess I’m neither a bull nor a bear. I just like buying hundreds of stocks every period through my mutual funds. As much as I like buying AAZAX, AAXBX, TIPS and 52-week T-bills and gold bullion on a periodic basis. I also like the matching contribtion I get to my 401k. About $25,000 worth of matching since 2001.
I’m an engineer, not a day trader. Periodic buying and rebalancing in a variety of assets is my optimal way to build my nest egg.
‘Shorters’ retreat helps fuel volatility
By Michael Mackenzie and Francesco Guerrera in New York
August 28 2009 19:30
Short sellers have been deserting the US stock market in droves during its sluggish summer sessions in a retreat that has helped fuel the recent volatile trading in AIG and other beaten-down financial shares, analysts said on Friday.
Short sellers seek to profit from price declines by selling borrowed shares and then “covering” their positions with purchases of the same stocks. When large numbers of short sellers close their positions by buying shares at the same time, the stocks involved can register explosive – and often inexplicable – gains.
Although stocks gave back some of their gains in early trading on Friday, the S&P has climbed steadily in August to its highest levels in 10 months, with some of the best performing stocks being those that were most heavily sold short – AIG, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Citigroup.
US mortgage agencies graphic for 2nd front Analysts say short sellers have been closing many of their positions in recent weeks. Short interest as a percentage of S&P 500 stocks fell to its lowest level in eight months by mid-August, according to the most recent data. Bespoke Investment Group said average short interest in other major equity indices had fallen to the lowest levels since at least October 2007.
“The US Fish and Wildlife Service may have a new candidate for its endangered species list,” said Paul Hickey of Bespoke. “It’s short sellers.”
Lowest short interest, highest bullish sentiment, over-trading in a handful of very speculative names, proclamations of victory over depression all indicate a top is near and correction forthcoming.
If the majority is bullish and everyone bought, buying slows. If everyone is bearish and everyone sold, selling slows. Fundamentals don’t matter. It’s all about herd psychology.
Moreover, if most of the short sellers have been driven out, the correction could be steep.
Paul Krugman had a moronic “…deficits saved the world” op-ed in the NYT on the 27th.
Have the Nobel prizes gone the way of the Grammys? Milli Villi won best new artist in 1990. Al Gore won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007 (for Climate Change - and promptly chartered a Gulfstream IV to collect it). Krugman won the economic prize in 2008.
I’d say the Nobel prize has jumped the shark.
Suddenly, we’re no longer Argentina like. We’re Farm like.
Better go long electrolytes.
Krugman wrote an article titled something like “Why oil is not in a bubble” when crude was near it’s peak. Crude prices subsequently crashed in one of the most spectacular pops ever seen. I never did hear him say anything about that. Figures.
A colleague at work is ready to go buy a new car, now that the C4C program is over. He suspects the dealer might be really, really happy to see him…
Consumer spending rises in July, but consumer sentiment slips
Cash for clunkers
The federal “cash for clunkers” program gave a boost to consumer spending last month. Above, cars traded in sit in a storage lot in Fairfield, Calif. (Justin Sullivan / Getty Images / August 26, 2009)
By Annys Shin
August 29, 2009
Washington - The “cash for clunkers” trade-in program, which gave consumers a subsidy to turn in less fuel-efficient vehicles for newer models, boosted consumer spending in July, the Commerce Department reported Friday.
Personal consumption expenditures, adjusted for inflation, rose 0.2%, roughly in line with analysts’ forecasts. Motor vehicle and parts purchases more than accounted for the increase in July and accounted for most of the increase in June, the report said.
Cash for clunkers ended Monday. Policymakers are considering a similar program for appliances.
The data indicated that consumers are willing to spend if given the right incentives. The data also suggested that the boost in spending might not be sustainable now that the subsidy is gone.
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“Cars traded in sit in a storage lot in Fairfield, Calif”
Why? If the program was sold as a way of getting inefficient vehicles off the road, why haven’t they been sent to one of those squish-them-into-a-little-cube places like the one in the Goldfinger movie?
For the same reason banks aren’t marketing REO. Simple supply and demand.
The dealers are allowed to sell the cars to salvage operation for parting out, this also counts as recycling. If the dealer calls Joe salvage dude and tells him he’s got 16 Ford Broncos for salvage how much do you think he’ll get for each?
the boost in spending might not be sustainable now that the subsidy is gone.
Gee, ya think?
I wonder how many of those CC customers really needed a new car, or if they did it to say “I got $$ out of those gov’mint suckaz.” To them, it’s a way of getting back some of the taxes that were wrongly stolen from them.
So, instead of having a paid off car, they’re now in debt 20,000 dollars, as opposed to being in debt 24,000 dollars, and consider that they got one over on someone?
Brilliant.
Is the average person really so stupid financially?
Yes.
“The data indicated that consumers are willing to spend if given the right incentives.”
I’m pretty sure that “willing to spend” should have read “willing to borrow”.
It’s so nice to have gubmint make decisions for you, takes the load off of being able to make your own.
Laura Dekker wants to set a world record as the youngest person to sail alone around the world. The government has stepped in to delay her plans.
13-year-old girl’s goal to sail solo around the world was called “undeniably daring and risky” by Dutch judges Friday. They refused, however, to scrap the venture in a high-profile clash between child care authorities and liberal Dutch parenting.
Laura was born on a boat in New Zealand and spent the first four years of her life sailing the world with her parents. She also spends her holidays sailing off the Dutch coast. In May, British authorities briefly detained her after she arrived alone in the eastern port of Lowestoft and said she planned to sail home alone.
A British lad sailed solo across the Atlantic when he was fourteen. Mike Perham. now 17, recently sailed into the record books as the world’s youngest round-the-world solo sailor by covering 28,000 miles in just nine months.
The Dutch government will rule in late October, following weeks of evaluation, on Laura’s plan to break Perham’s record. Her 26 foot yacht is called “Guppy.”
In this case, I’m in favor of the Dutch government. To think that a 13-year old girl crossing the oceans of the world on her own in a 26-foot sailboat ( yatchs have to be 50 feet or longer ) is ridiculous. Her boat should be rechristened from “Guppy” to “Drowny”, and she could be killed, raped, sold into the sex trade, or whatever, within a few weeks of her sailing out of port. The rest of the world isn’t as safe as Holland, no matter what her deluded parents seem to think. Yikes.
Gubmint decides when you can drive a car, so what’s unusual about this decision?
Oh yes, the oceans don’t belong to anybody and are wide open. So if the young sailor runs into any kind of trouble and radios for help, do we just let her figure things out on her own? As long as her government feel some kind of responsibility towards her, it certainly has the right to deny her permission on reasonable grounds.
Maybe another boat follows her? Like when someone swims across the English Channel, there’s always a boat nearby in case they need it.
Exactly, alpha.
Sailing “solo” means no one else is on her boat helping her. It does not necessarily mean sailing along. I would be very surprised if her parents were not in another boat nearby.
Somebody has to put a stop to the teen sailing bubble.
Otherwise, where would it end?
Infants/babies sailing around the world?
Like Moses! Off to a very promising start and then that dumb ol’ Egyptian princess hauls him out of the bulrushes and drags him home. And look how that all ended…
People developing into good BS detectors? That’s what happens when you let too many of them free to make their own successes or failure. I say leave her be.
+1 Bill, subsidize mistakes, or keep people from reaping their consequences and you’ll end up really and truly messed up.
Who popped my bubblet? The Quick Vote speaks volumes about what kind of people read CNN Money…not many HBB readers I suspect!
Dow snaps winning streak
Intel’s improved sales forecast and Dell’s profit surprise encourage tech investors, but stocks struggle one day after the Dow, S&P 500 and Nasdaq hit fresh 2009 highs.
By Alexandra Twin, CNNMoney dot com senior writer
Last Updated: August 28, 2009: 6:10 PM ET
Quick Vote
Should the $8,000 first-time homebuyer tax credit be extended beyond Nov. 30?
* Yes
* No
(Yes 60% / No 40%)
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Stocks seesawed Friday as investors welcomed corporate news from Intel and Dell that signaled a bottom in the PC market, but mostly played it cautious after pushing the markets to 2009 highs in the previous session.
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Pay this gloomster no heed — THE STOCK MARKET ALWAYS GOES UP!
Don’t worry, be happy.
Don’t worry, be happy.
Don’t worry, be happy.
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* THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
* THE INTELLIGENT INVESTOR
* AUGUST 29, 2009
Why Investors Need to See the Light and Slow Down
* By JASON ZWEIG
Don’t be happy; worry.
The Dow Jones Industrial Average is up 46% since March 9, when the world itself seemed to be coming to an end. In the entire 113-year history of the Dow, only six rebounds have been bigger and faster. But the swiftness and magnitude of this bounce-back aren’t reasons to be cheerful; they are reasons to be cautious.
In March, stocks traded as low as 11.7 times their average earnings over the previous 10 years, adjusted for inflation, according to finance professor Robert Shiller of Yale University. That put the market at its lowest valuation since January 1986. Today, however, stocks are selling at 18.4 times Prof. Shiller’s measure of earnings. That isn’t only up hugely from March but is above the long-term average of 16.3 times earnings.
[The swiftness and magnitude of the Dow's bounce-back aren't reasons to be cheerful; they are reasons to be cautious.] Heath Hinegardner
Robert Rodriguez, chief executive of First Pacific Advisors in Los Angeles, says that in March, investors feared getting crushed in a further decline. Now all they seem afraid of is missing an even greater rally.
Mr. Rodriguez is convinced that the consensus — economic recovery by early next year at the latest — is wrong. “People are talking about whether the shape of the recovery will be a ‘V’ or a ‘W’ or even a ’square root,’ ” he says, “but I think we are in what I call a ‘caterpillar economy.’ It will be up and then down, up and then down. We will be far from normal for a very long period of time. People deploying capital will end up destroying capital.”
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You forgot the most important part of the article:
In August, corporate insiders — officers and directors of public companies — sold nearly 31 times as much stock as they bought. From last September through this past March, in the depths of the bear market, that ratio was just 2 to 1, according to TrimTabs Investment Research of Sausalito, Calif. The long-term average is about 7 to 1.
The people who run companies don’t know exactly what the future holds, but they do know more about their own firms than outsiders do. If they are furiously selling, how eagerly should the rest of us be buying?
Personally, I suspect that their reason (in aggregate) is that they know that their stocks are overpriced after the 50% rebound.
But there is another possible explanation: they may just be engaging in personal de-leveraging, and their stock holdings in their own companies are required in order to do it.
“deploying capital will end up destroying capital.”
Deploying Capital Destroyers, yet another good punk rock band name to come from the bubble.
NAR probably has a “cast votes in CNN Money” task force.
I do actually read some Shill web sites, it pays to know what J6P is thinking…
WARNING: STOCK MARKET BUBBLE DEAD AHEAD!
Commentary The Buzz
Stop the market insanity
Highly speculative financial and consumer stocks have led a sleepy summer rally. Will investors start acting more rationally after Labor Day?
By Paul R. La Monica, CNNMoney dot com editor at large
Last Updated: August 28, 2009: 5:19 PM ET
THE RESCUE
* A market that healed itself
* Act fast! Homebuyer tax credit ends soon
* Why the deficit will raise taxes
* New home sales blast past expectations
* Highway stimulus: Just a ‘down payment’
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — The market keeps chugging along. But with speculative stocks like AIG and Vonage leading the way, you have to wonder if the rally won’t soon go off the rails like Ozzy Osbourne’s Crazy Train. Ay-Ay-Ay!
AIG (AIG, Fortune 500) is up more than 260% this month for no apparent good reason. Shares of Internet phone company Vonage (VG) had quadrupled this week before pulling back Friday. Apparently, Google’s renewed interest in online voice chatting was viewed as a potential boost for Vonage — even though the opposite is probably true since Google (GOOG, Fortune 500) tends to squash competition like grapes.
Some investing pros worry that day traders have taken control of the market thanks to light volume in the waning days of summer.
“When you see the single-digit stocks hit the most-active list, it’s a sign that speculation is at its peak,” said Jeffrey Saut, chief investment strategist for Raymond James & Associates in St. Petersburg, Fla.
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“Some investing pros worry that day traders have taken control of the market thanks to light volume in the waning days of summer.”
The scam market is nothing more than a casino for day traders. We are witnessing the death of capitalism.
What bull. The big boys control and will continue to control the market.
“Some investing pros worry that day traders have taken control of the market thanks to light volume in the waning days of summer.” should read “Some investing pros are hoping to blame day traders and deflect attention form their own gaming of the market.”
How impressionable you are. The day traders ARE the big boys.
Too true.
The Central Communist Bureaucracy seems to silence Mr Market’s voice in every way possible. Why not let the voice of Mr Market decide what kind of housing needs to be built, instead of some central planner or government subsidy program?
Stimulus gives lifeline to affordable housing
But there’s not enough money for every project
By Lori Weisberg
Union-Tribune Staff Writer
2:00 a.m. August 29, 2009
An affordable-housing high-rise is under construction on B Street in San Diego. (Peggy Peattie / Union-Tribune) -
Many moribund affordable-housing projects throughout the county will likely be revived this year by federal stimulus funds, but the money won’t be enough to resuscitate the backlog of developments meant to serve the region’s neediest.
Formerly reliable state bond money is drying up, lenders remain skittish about financing low-income projects, and private investors are pumping far less money into such developments.
While San Diego County could normally expect as many as 2,000 new affordable units a year, production will likely drop to half that, developers and advocates predict.
“At a time when there’s more and more people in need — suffering from unemployment, foreclosures, loss of health insurance — there will be less money available to produce affordable rental housing,” said Anne Wilson of Community HousingWorks, a prolific nonprofit developer of low-income housing.
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Econ 001 principles of Centrally Planned Housing Development:
1) If you subsidize construction of low income housing units, they will come.
2) IF you subsidize construction of high income housing units, they won’t come, and you will have lots of empty, overpriced McCrap shacks on your hands.
August 28, 2009
Rents Set to Almost Double at ENY Mitchell-Lama
Many tenants at an East New York housing complex have been evicted or forced to move because their rents have gone through the roof, reports the Daily News. Rents at Linden Plaza, a five-building Mitchell-Lama development with 319 residential units, have gone up by $300 so far in the past year or so, and will increase again next year so that the price for a one-bedroom will have gone from $664 to $1,132.
The increases are paying for a capital improvements program at the complex. Some of the disgruntled tenants were counting on Section 8 vouchers to cover the increase but claim that bureaucratic delays thwarted them. Bob Vaccarello, president of RY Management, which oversees Linden Plaza, said that “anybody who was eligible did get a voucher,” adding that some tenants simply missed deadlines or failed to provide enough information. A city spokesman said that the rents are lower than what residents would pay if the owners left the Mitchell-Lama subsidy program, but this is a cold comfort to some. T
he Daily News spoke with tenant Carol Thompson, 53, who lost her job last year and has received no word regarding her voucher application. She has borrowed money from relatives to make rent, but doesn’t know what to do in the long term. “I just can’t afford it,” she said. “They’re sucking people dry.”
Rent Hike Shocks Tenants [NY Daily News]
The funny thing about depositing money in a bank is what the bank does with it. For centuries, banks have practiced fractional reserve lending. So a bank can take your deposit and use it to make loans of 9 times the amount of your deposit. In this manner, banks can grow impressively…until loans start going bad and depositors get nervous and want their money back. At that point bank failures occur as the bank can not get the necessary liquidity to pay depositors. Is the FDIC the answer? Only if it has enough capital to make up the shortfalls. At the moment it looks as though it may run out of money to pay depositors. What can the government do to prevent a wide spread bank collapse? It can declare a bank holiday, close all banks for a time and when they reopen, decree that depositors are limited to, say, $500 a week in withdrawals. There! That solves the problem!
You may have left a thing or two out of the equation.
Since banks lend out all but.. lets say.. 10% of depositor’s money, where do you imagine the bank gets the cash from when people withdraw some money?
The lent money is not available, and it’s not allowed to dip into the 10% cash reserves.. so where’s it come from?
By some random depositors putting money into their accounts on the same day.
Basically there are standard patterns of deposits and withdrawals and as long as banks operate within these parameters they are ok. Of course if every depositor (or even say 20% of them) decide to pull out their assets on a given day, there could be a bank run. Luckily for us, the Fed/FDIC will hopefully step in to provide a bridge loan to the bank or make some other arrangement so depositors get their money.
nope.. has nothing to do with depositors..
i’ll give you a hint. Banks borrow the money.
Read the whole reply instead of the first line alone.
I was in Argentina in early December, 2001. (Went there because air tix were cheap in the months after 9/11/01.) The IMF told Argentina it wouldn’t extend any further credit. On a Thursday, the Argentine govt announced that, as of the following Monday, depositors would be limited to withdrawing (something like) $200/wk.
The next day, Friday, $8B was withdrawn. (Duh.) Unaware of this fact, I tried to get a little cash out of an ATM on Saturday. After I tried a few that had no money, I noticed there were quite a few people running from one ATM to the next trying to find one that had money. I didn’t actually need the money, since I could buy most things with my Visa card. Just needed a bit of cash for subway fares and like that. On Monday I took a boat to an island in Uruguay (day trip), thinking the banks might be calmer on Tuesday. Nope: on Tuesday, I went into a bank to try to cash a $50 traveler’s check, and found the place was like a cartoon of a 19th-century insane asylum. Three lines of customers converging on every teller cage. After half an hour I gave up. Wednesday I managed to stay in a bank for 45 minutes and actually got the $50 worth of Argentine currency. Thursday I noticed that most businesses in the commercial section near my hotel (Plaza del Congreso area) were suddenly boarded up. Friday there were a lot of posters calling for demonstrations. I left Argentina the next day, but massive rioting took hold, and seven Argentine government fell in succession, in the space of one year.
Yep, that’s how “bank holidays” happen.
Then two-three months later you’re finally allowed to withdraw your royal cash from the government guaranteed bank. Only for some strange reason the amount of cash that you could have used to buy a car is now barely enough to buy a single loaf of bread.
It’s magic! A prince turning into a frog, “cash is king” turning into toilet paper…
With a threat of currency collapse, the trick is to find the right kind of cash, and the safe place to hold it.
The mistake Argentina made was in projecting their currency to be stronger than it really was. The dollar peg was never workable, especially at a time when the US economy was actually quite resilient.
The US is fundamentally different because the US doesn’t peg its dollar to anybody else. If at all, it’s the other way around. Look at China and its regulated exchange rate. It’s like China is tailgating the US. US wants to desperately shake off the tailgator. So it reduces its speed (interest rate) close to zero yet the tailgator doesn’t doesn’t get bothered enough to overtake. China so far has shown a limitless appetite for buying poorly paying US dollar debt, and has refrained from making any big changes to its dollar peg.
If that changes, there will be two outcomes. US interest rates will move sharply upwards(*) and the RMB will increase in value with respect to the dollar. The latter is somewhat of a desirable outcome for the US - Chinese imports will be more expensive and US exports more competitive - hopefully these together will reduce the trade gap. The first outcome may also be something that the US can absorb given that a substantial portion of US debt obligations are held by US based parties so in effect the gainers will be more US based than foreign.
(*)this assumes there is no further sleigh-of-hand “stated interest” deals between the Treasury and the Fed.
I think if the current trends continue, the USD becomes less desirable world-wide and concerns over US credit-worthiness mount, then the sharp devaluation of the currency is not out of the question.
But in any kind of global upheaval - war, anyone? - the USD will once again reign supreme due to flight to safety.
I’d take devaluation over war.
“It can declare a bank holiday, close all banks for a time and when they reopen, decree that depositors are limited to, say, $500 a week in withdrawals. There! That solves the problem!”
Is that really how it works? Because I have seen no evidence whatever during the current banking crisis to bolster your claim.
For a counter-example, I had an account with one of the largest banks to go under during the current crisis. It was called Washington Mutual. Now the buildings which house my bank’s ATMs have Chase signs on them. The transition was seamless as regards the banking services we enjoy.
Why don’t you give a few examples of bank holidays that have recently shut down US banks, so we will know you aren’t just making stuff up?
was seamless.. and it’s been a long time now..
When will they issue our new “Chase” cards?
To add to the above PB, the banking holiday was scheduled for the 25th of August by the tin foil hatters, wasn’t it?
Rule number 1 of tinfoil hat prediction debunking: Never trust a prediction with an exact date attached to it.
you have the math wrong.
If you deposit $100, the bank can only lend out around $99 of that(creating $99 new dollars). Otherwise their reserves would be negative. Banks require a reserve of 1%(for large institutions).
It was the best of times and the worst of times…
* The Wall Street Journal
* AUGUST 29, 2009
Halting Recovery Divides America in Two
By CARI TUNA, LIZ RAPPAPORT and JULIE JARGON
The U.S. recovery is a tale of two economies.
At one extreme of Corporate America is a cadre of companies and banks, mostly big, united by an enviable access to credit. At the other end are firms, chiefly small, with slumping sales that can’t borrow or are facing stiff terms to do so.
On Main Street, there are consumers with rock-solid jobs — but also legions of debt-strapped individuals struggling to keep their noses above water.
This split helps explain the patchiness of the recovery that appears to be taking hold after the worst recession in a half-century.
Panera Bread, a St. Louis-based national chain of more than 1,400 cafes, is a rare winner in its industry. With more than $100 million in cash and no debt, it is demanding, and getting, cut-rate leases from landlords. Panera’s occupancy costs have come down 10% to 20% since last year. It is hiring and expanding into spaces formerly occupied by Blockbusters and Bennigan’s.
“For us, this is the best of times,” says Ron Shaich, its chief executive. “Cash is king and this is a buyer’s market.”
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Ron Shaich sounds just like … an HBBer!
Problem is I’ve eaten at Panera Bread. It’s decent but nothing spectacular, just like all the other market darling chains in the last 10+ years starting with Boston Chicken. Unless there’s something really different about how it’s being grown compared to the rest of them, I expect the same fate for Panera Bread.
We had a little discussion here yesterday about whether TARP funds were getting used to sweeten block foreclosure deals. Any online information you can scrounge up with hard evidence would be appreciated (I have found none so far…).
Diverting TARP Funds to Failed Housing Agenda
By Rep. Spencer Bachus | 07/10/09 | 12:40 PM EDT
Yesterday the Financial Services Committee held a hearing on the Democrats’ TARP for Main Street bill that will divert billions of dollars from TARP to fund their failed housing agenda. At a time when the taxpayer has not recouped the full $700 billion committed through TARP, I will oppose any effort that prevents or delays the repayment of this money to the taxpayer.
While TARP may earn a profit from the Capital Purchase Program, the TARP program overall will not. Congress authorized $700 billion for TARP and so far, Treasury has received $70.1 billion in repayments and $6.7 billion in dividend payments—all from the Capital Purchase Program. We have a long way to go before taxpayers recoup their money. Therefore, all repayments and gains should go directly to the taxpayers.
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Therefore, all repayments and gains should go directly to the taxpayers.
I disagree.. We talked about this before.
If the objective of TARP money is to stimulate the economy, and TARP money is repaid, it would be best to redistribute that TARP money to other entities.. ideally, to ones that can repay it quickly. It is then distributed to yet another entity.
In this way, the same TARP-dollar when recirculated contributes to economic stimulation two, five or however many times it is redistributed.
“Therefore, all repayments and gains should go directly to the taxpayers.”
I assume taxpayers are part of households. Aren’t households ‘entities’ that spend money? Which ‘entities’ did you have in mind, banks that are stuffing money under their mattresses and waiting for fire sales?
You think troubled households can quickly repay a TARP loan? It’s doubtful, imo.. But if so, then yes.. redistribute it to households.
However, it’d be much easier and far more efficient to simply lend a large chunk to a troubled business. Keeping businesses alive keeps jobs alive.
Income from jobs would then “trickle down” to those troubled households.
Oh yes the trickle down theory economy from Reagan days. It has worked so well.
heh..
i was gonna say something else, but used “trickle down” just to see if it got a reaction..
look.. no business = no job. A troubled household needs a job or two. A handout won’t secure their future and brighten their prospects. They certainly don’t need more debt through a TARP loan that they cannot repay.
Keeping businesses doors open is the key to stability and will eventually lead to recovery..
Those pumping the failed “trickle (on)down” and the laughable but fraudulent Laffer “theory” are the same theives who received $$$ from the FR.
Another note…. 30 years of failed and flawed economics based on the fraudulent Laugher theory won’t unwind in 6 months.
This householder would be more than pleased to take about $100M (a pittance really) at 0% for 6 months. I’m good for it.
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-29 09:48:19
Oh yes the trickle down theory economy from Reagan days. It has worked so well.
Well it did, didn’t it? They promised a trickle and a trickle is exactly what we got! You can’t say they exactly lied, now can you?
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-29 17:14:01
“Well it did, didn’t it? They promised a trickle and a trickle is exactly what we got! You can’t say they exactly lied, now can you?”
It trickled alright. Right into someone else pants
PB, i sorta misread what you stated…
You’re saying that giving the TARP money back to households who then spend it is economically stimulating. I agree.
However, the TARP money is intended to help especially troubled sectors of the economy. Are tax payers going to spend that money in particularly troubled sectors?
Might they just stuff it under a mattress, taking it out of circulation?
Won’t the largest portion go to the largest taxpayers who are those with the highest incomes and who need it the least?
Will that repaid TARP money go back into the general fund to be pissed away on pet projects by politicians, and never reach the taxpayer’s pocket? (I’m betting on this one.)
There will come a time when TARP is returned to the taxpayer. I think it’s a little early in the game to do so.
I sure hope these FOIA requests prove effective.
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10:56 August 28th, 2009
The FDIC plays hide the ball too
Posted by: Matthew Goldstein
The Federal Reserve is fighting hard to keep details about the $2 trillion in emergency loans it has made during the financial crisis from seeing the light of day. And now it seems the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. also has started playing the game of keeping secrets from the public.
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The FDIC’s position on releasing information about failed bids is not as sweeping as the Fed’s opposition to a Bloomberg News lawsuit seeking access to information about the $2 trillion in emergency loans. But as The Audit, a Columbia Journalism Review blog, point outs, the FDIC’s stance is another move towards “creeping government secrecy.”
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..keeping secrets from the public…
Secrets from the public??
Oh please… PLEASE!
Does nobody have any idea what the purpose and goal of the Fed as “lender of last resort” is?
Does no one understand how every effort must be made to protect those troubled institutions?
Bloomberg is the only criminal in this case. He needs to drop it. He needs to find a hobby that doesn’t threaten the livelihoods of the hard working little people in this country..
hard working “little people?”
Damn joey, your elitism is showing
hey.. i am a little people.. Bloomberg is a big people. Bloomberg is the one who doesn’t care what kinda fallout results from his lawsuit.
OK.. the Fed is forced to say Bank X and XX and XXX are weak and got a bunch of Fed assistance. Customers of Banks X, XX and XXX proceed to pull out their money as stock holders in those banks sell out, and the banks fail, adding to the pain and dismay in the economy..
Congratulations, Bloomberg.
“…and the banks fail, adding to the pain and dismay in the economy…”
Once a tsunami is bearing down on all the naked swimmers frolicking on the beach, it is a little bit late to put in place a tsunami warning system to protect them.
Joey, the bell curve of the bubble burst may be drawn out in the Y axis, but the total area beneath the curve will not change. The longer you draw out paying the piper the worse will be the eventual decline.
The clues are out there, the true believers just won’t see them.
dude, while a chart is static and might prove a huge deficit, the actual situation is dynamic.
Banks and businesses certainly can survive in a state of overall insovency forever if need be, as long as there’s enough income to pay the monthly bills, pay employees, etc.
It’s been said before that a lot of large businesses are technically bankrupt from day one, and have no need or desire to have things otherwise. Income is the objective. They borrow whatever they need to grow and increase income almost without regard to the amount borrowed or their book value.
As long that debt is serviced and all the other bills are paid on time, life goes on.
‘Does nobody have any idea what the purpose and goal of the Fed as “lender of last resort” is?’
Not entirely sure, but I find this guy’s theory strongly compelling:
August 27, 2009, 7:38 am
Bernanke and Other ‘Firefighters’
By Simon Johnson
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President Obama said on Tuesday that Mr. Bernanke helped avert a second Great Depression. That is a considerable achievement, but why then are this administration and the Federal Reserve proposing only minor adjustments in oversight and governance for the financial system that ran amok — producing “financial innovation” that harms consumers and destabilizes everything?
It makes no sense at all. Unless, of course, they are not afraid of future financial fires — despite the enormous fiscal cost (likely 40 percent of gross domestic product from this round alone), the unemployment (heading to and lingering at 10 percent, by the administration’s own revised estimates), and the millions of people hammered hard by lender abuse, house price collapse, and job losses.
You may not like the implications, but keep in mind this advice: “To ignore the problem or suggest that it does not exist will only increase the damage caused by the arson firefighters involved, as well as destroy the morale of the other firefighters in their departments” (Minnesota Fire Chief, March/April 1995 issue, quoted on page 1 here).
“As long that debt is serviced and all the other bills are paid on time, life goes on.”
Wow! I had no idea that this was the case, all those not-to-big-to-fail-banks notwithstanding.
What does leverage do in a deflationary economic contraction Joey?
God forbid they have to unveil the details of their confidence game to the public
Transparency in our government and regarding the use of our tax money? Blasphemy! Just give them the money and trust that they’ll use it wisely. No oversight needed
“Transparency in our government and regarding the use of our tax money?”
I thought transparency was one of BB’s objectives? Similarly, affordable housing was a GSE objective.
I have long maintained that actions speak louder than words, and the above two examples provide fresh evidence.
Here is a 2 hour project that somebody can do. Gather addresses on 50 vacant properties in your neighborhood. Then Zillow the home info and see what the county shows. See if any patterns show up that would indicate bulk purchases.
I would do it but there are no vacant properties where I live.
How can you quickly locate 50 vacant properties?
Use Trulia and have it list recent transactions ordered by date. Select the highest PPSF of the first 100. These will almost all be recorded trustees sales. Plug those into property shark or zillow for recent sales info.
“Select the highest PPSF of the first 100. These will almost all be recorded trustees sales.”
Did you mean the lowest PPSF? I would think sophisticated financial investors involved in trustees sales would understand the most basic principle of financial investing:
Buy low, sell high.
What gives?
No, the highest, because these are the homes going back to the bank. The value listed is the bath the bank is taking.
“…these are the homes going back to the bank.”
Dude — thanks much for the guidance! I am still puzzled, though: Why are homes going back to the bank listed as ‘trustee’s sales’? I don’t get why they call them ’sales’ if the bank is taking them back as REO.
P.S. Just dropped #1 son off at the Poway Stake president’s home for a church function. It’s quite a spread!
Trustees sale is just the formality of the lender protecting its interest on the courthouse steps.
We’ve heard anecdotal accounts of lenders setting the first bid below their loan amount to try to draw a GF to buy, but normally the house transfers for the amount owed the first lienholder.
Wondering if any other San Diego folk have checked out this web site, and can give an opinion of the accuracy and completeness of the data offered thereon?
SAN DIEGO FORECLOSURES & BANK OWNED PROPERTIES
“Bond Market Movements Have Brought Down Mortgage Rates”
Is it proper to refer to Fed-engineered low T-bond yields as being in a ’slump’? That description seems to border on an outright lie. Ignoring the Man Behind the Curtain tends to result in a misleading picture.
* The Wall Street Journal
* ROI
* AUGUST 28, 2009, 2:10 P.M. ET
Low Mortgage Rates Are Back—For the Moment
Bond Market Movements Have Brought Down Mortgage Rates
* By BRETT ARENDS
If you missed out on refinancing your mortgage last spring, here’s another opportunity.
A window has opened up in the mortgage market—thanks to some unusual movements in the bond market, rates have come down in recent weeks, and someone with good credit may be able to get a 30-year fixed rate for as little as 5% right now.
Yes, mortgages still aren’t as cheap as they were in May, when rates fell as low as about 4.75 %, but they’re still a pretty good deal. As recently as June, rates spiked around 5.6%. And before the financial crisis walloped us last year, they were over 6%.
Improving Home Sales Belie Market Reality
In a recent Bankrate survey the average rate was about 5.5%, he says, but you can do better if you look. “The different between getting 5.5% and 5% is shopping around,” he says.
The obvious caveats apply. You’ll need good credit to get the best rates—Bankrate cites a credit score of 700 or above. Those with lower scores may end up paying a higher rate or fees. And these rates only apply to conforming loans below non-jumbo limits.
The main reason for the cheaper home loans: A slump in the yields on long-term government bonds.
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“thanks to some unusual movements in the bond market”
Is this guy trying to be cagey? I thought the Fed’s program to buy down mortgage yields was common knowledge…
(Channeling long lost Aladinsane:) “Was cagey B”
*tap* *tap* (is this thing on?)
YO! I’m Cagey B and I’m here to Say
I’m the best bullcrapper in the USA
In kiddiegarden I acquired the Knowledge
And Golden Sacks took me- straight outta college
Never took a test to become an IB
‘Cause Daddy said that he’d vouch for me
Greenie put me in the back of his Cadillac
I took a long ride and I never looked back
You see- that’s the life that I’m livin’, G
Champagne, caviar, regulators sayin’ please…
If you girlies see me comin’, just a-move a step aside
There ain’t enough room to take you all in my ride…
It’s on a -too big!- too big to fail basis
cool it down girls, I’ll take you def places…
Jane… mail me at marketw04 At yahoo dot com regarding RV’s. Posting links here takes too much time.
Good Morning beautiful world.
Just returned from a holo holo style fishing trip to the backside of Maui. It is 4 AM here and I just got back. In my cooler are two very large ulua. Biggest one is over 60 lbs. I have been rode hard and put away wet. In my cup I have a large quanity of my home grown coffee, and in my other hand I have a stick of my very sweet home grown.
I would never thought when I jumped into the water to dive bait yesterday I would have this kind of luck. These are my first fish of the year and I feel like god.
As my muscles start to freeze up I know I will hurt like a dog in the next few days. But it will be worth it all.
I’m going to have about 50 lbs of fish to give away tomorrow. I wish you people were here so I could give them to you. You all know what they say about the blind hog. This one just found dinner.
Later John
As my muscles start to freeze up I know I will hurt like a dog ??
Couple more sticks should do the trick…:)
It don’t work that way. The first trip is the hardest. When I was 30 I would be out for the week. Now that I am close to 50 I prefer to curl up in the corner and whimper.
Good for you that you are still going for it at 50 Crash…
I was with 3 other kids. With their $500 poles and the know it all attitude. Big trucks, long casts, none of them was over 25. The next generation. Were so screwed. Was I that stupid at 25?
Oh well. Catch two. Pack up . Go home. The sun is just now comming up. Those boys are packing up about now. I guess the old man won this battle. I wouldn’t even let them gaff my fish.
The big one weighed 56 and the smaller one was 30. Now I cut fish. Then I have got to get rid of it. Then I sleep for a week.
We were ALL that stupid at 25.
How not to recreate a sound banking system: Give private equity investors a whack at flailing banks
Barbarians back at bank gates
As failing banks pressure the FDIC’s deposit insurance fund, regulators reach out to private equity investors for help.
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By Colin Barr, senior writer
Last Updated: August 27, 2009: 5:06 AM ET
NEW YORK (Fortune) — Regulators cleaning up after bank failures showed Wednesday how far they’re willing to reach out for help.
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.’s board voted 4-1 to set new rules governing the terms under which private investors such as buyout firms may invest in failed banks.
The rules call for private buyers of failed banks to hold more capital than existing banks are required to, and to hold onto their investments for at least three years.
Chairman Sheila Bair said at the agency’s board meeting in Washington that she views the rules — which aim to lure in private equity money while minimizing risks to the federal deposit insurance fund — as a workable solution to a “tough issue.”
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“You see that sick looking herd of deer over yonder?
I know how to fix it: Let’s unleash a pack of wolves in the middle of it and watch what happens!”
If you don’t trust “banksters” to run banks, and don’t trust private capital / investors to run banks, who would you trust?
Do you think the banking industry should perhaps be.. nationalized?
Please… Say it ain’t so.
“If you don’t trust “banksters” to run banks, and don’t trust private capital / investors to run banks, who would you trust?”
Private bankers, subject to a rule of law with sharp teeth.
“…and don’t trust private capital / investors to run banks, who would you trust?”
There you go putting words into my mouth again, Mr Master-of-the-Non-Sequitur. Wolves are predators. Bears have nothing against fellow predators.
sorry if i misread you.. A “bear” isn’t generally considered a predator when discussing economics. Bears have a particular type of market named after them and it’s not at all aggressive.
Do you approve of private investors buying and running troubled banks?
“Do you approve of private investors buying and running troubled banks?”
Only if Big Brother Fed is there waiting in the wings with liquidity fire hose in hand to bail out any that are too-big-to-fail.
‘If you don’t trust “banksters” to run banks, and don’t trust private capital / investors to run banks, who would you trust…Do you think the banking industry should perhaps be.. nationalized?’
You are skipping over this little thing called the fractional reserve.
I’ve met two groups in my life that were trying to run private capital banks. I talked with them about the challenges etc. The big one is not belonging to the Federal Reserve Bank system. See, they couldn’t lend out more than they took in, which was OK with them. Problem is, they have to compete with the FRBs, and that really isn’t possible given the advantage they have of being able to loan money out of thin air. So they stay small and marginalized on the sidelines, while the FRBs grow huge, fail, merge and are awash in FR “dollars.”
So, IMO, we have the worst of all worlds, bank wise. FRBs aren’t private capital; it isn’t their money they are lending out, it’s the Feds. And they aren’t nationalized or even controlled much by the regulators; just watch congress bow-down to the Fed guys in hearings. What we have is a bunch of secretive, unaudited billionaires doing whatever it is they do with the US money supply. I would suggest the current mess, (and devaluation of the FR notes), is proof enough they aren’t doing the typical citizen much good. And that doesn’t even address the massive power they hold over our political system; just look at Wall Street campaign donations. (WS corps own the Fed, BTW, look it up.)
This isn’t a situation the “market” can fix. The chance that well-meaning, private lenders can take hold is zero. And what are the current proposals? To give the Fed even more power over the financial system. IMO, this situation is getting worse, not better.
‘Do you think the banking industry should perhaps be.. nationalized?’
And what exactly is the Federal Reserve system is, if not a nationalized banking industry?
At some point, the propaganda spin coming out of banking industry mouthpieces starts to make me dizzy.
The whole point of creating the Fed was for them, as a central bank with virtually unlimited funds, to take charge and do whatever necessary to help a troubled economy recover.
Limiting the Fed’s power limits whatever good they can do.
Sure, people don’t like the idea of so much power being in so few hands, and have reservations about the future effects of Fed actions, but either let the Fed do it’s job or let the economy crumble.. its as simple as that.
And letting investors buy troubled assets may not help a lot but it’s not gonna hurt. The FDIC has to either buy and own assets or sell them. I prefer they sell them, and i don’t care who buys them.
“…but either let the Fed do it’s job or let the economy crumble.. its as simple as that.”
This is the crux of the great divide between your view of the world and mine. You have no faith in the free market’s ability to function without some kind of Big Brother pulling all the strings. And the really hilarious part is that you accuse me of wanting to ‘nationalize’ the banking system.
bbbbbbut the poor banks!!! Keep harpin’ and preachin’ for your masters, slaveboy Jo(e)y.
Anyways, this is gonna get real interesting when the judge excutes his order for the FR to comply with FOIA request. I’ll wager that the secret roster of thieves who’ve enriched themselves with FR notes are the same nutjobs who’ve yammered “free markets” and other such mindless drivel over the last 30 years.
ROTFLMAO! You are kidding, right? The Fed has been blowing the biggest credit bubble known to man since the early 80’s. You think they saved the economy in 2002-03 by blowing another asset bubble, housing? The whole credit-bubble economy has been teetering on a pin head since 2000.
Wake up, man! There is nothing left to blow. Commodities are deflating. The stock market is deflating. Housing is deflating. Commercial RE is deflating. The financial sector is shrinking. There is fed induced overcapacity everywhere. People are either upside down in their homes or abandoning them. You think they saved us?
PB, the Fed is a small part of the banking industry. The Fed is not small, failing banks, and the FDIC is not trying to sell parts of the Fed.
That the Fed may already be considered a quasi-govt operation says nothing about nationalizing the entire banking industry.
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anyway, according to another comment, i think you approve of private investors being allowed to buy up bank assets, so the “nationalization” point is moot.
“Keep harpin’ and preachin’ for your masters, slaveboy Jo(e)y.”
What gives you the idea Joey works for a bank? I can’t recall him ever mentioning anything to that effect…
“And letting investors buy troubled assets may not help a lot but it’s not gonna hurt. The FDIC has to either buy and own assets or sell them. I prefer they sell them, and i don’t care who buys them.”
I don’t care who buys them either, as long as no TARP money is handed over to the bankers or the buyers in the process.
..You have no faith in the free market’s ability to function without some kind of Big Brother pulling all the strings.
To the contrary, I have endless faith in the free market’s ability to function without intervention under normal conditions .. but in case you haven’t noticed, things are anything but normal.
Could the free market recover from financial meltdown on it’s own? Sure, if given a few years. Meanwhile people starve.
If we can avoid meltdown by artificially stimulating the economy, why on Earth not try that first??
“…a central bank with virtually unlimited funds,…”
And this is another big point of disagreement. I simply refuse to believe (like many macro economists appear to believe) that employing a technology called the printing press some how erases the macroeconomic budget constraint. However, it does provide a flexible tool for transferring wealth from one group (or generation) to another.
“There is fed induced overcapacity everywhere.”
Joey — Can you offer any deep insights on this one?
PB, you do understand that the Fed, in the normal course of affairs, not only creates money, but it also destroys money..
That while it often must create money for various reasons, it has no interest in inflating the money supply beyond reasonable, economically healthy parameters.. right?
To the contrary, I have endless faith in the free market’s ability to function without intervention under normal conditions .. but in case you haven’t noticed, things are anything but normal.
What the heck are normal conditions?
When in our history have we experienced normal conditions?
There’s always a whole lotta something goin’ on, whether it’s war, or or international trade battles, or financial meltdowns, or epidemics, or a demographic shift, or a natural disaster, or an Industrial Revolution or … whatever.
“it has no interest in inflating the money supply beyond reasonable, economically healthy parameters..”
ROTFLMAO! You should do stand up.
“What the heck are normal conditions?”
Moreover, has the Fed’s management regime done a good job of fostering them?
To answer this question for yourself, make a list of the major financial crisis involving Fed interventions which have played out over, say, the last thirty years. I would help you, but I just don’t have the energy.
When in our history have we experienced normal conditions?
To imply that today’s situation is normal is disingenuous to say the least… but that aside, history documents that a free market needs help when things get rough.
What is “rough”?
I guess you can define rough times as those when a free market loses it’s grip, and benefits when guided by some measure of a central authority’s power.
“I guess you can define rough times as those when a free market loses it’s grip, and benefits when guided by some measure of a central authority’s power.”
If intervention is always utilized when things get rough, and market participants are habituated to expect it, then how can one judge what ‘would have happened’ without intervention?
Moreover, how can one avoid private banks exploiting the moral hazard created from offering free too-big-to-fail risk insurance, which tends to foster ‘heads-we-win, tails-you-lose’ business plans?
how can one judge what ‘would have happened’ without intervention?
We can extrapolate what is likely to happen from what has happened.
To estimate what will happen without intervention, look at periods when there was no intervention.. like the 80 years preceding passage of the Federal Reserve Act.
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Few enterprises are too big to fail, and then only under peculiar circumstances. There is no foreseeing and no guarantee of a bailout. Screwing up entails very high risk.
A couple big enterprises got lucky this time, but had the economy been just a little healthier, they may have been allowed to fail.
“There is fed induced overcapacity everywhere.”
My take: One of the problems with Fed policy to help real estate and stocks ‘always go up’ in value is that eventually, thanks to hyperstimulation of investment in durable goods (e.g. office building and home construction, car manufactures, etc), we eventually end up with too much capital. At that point, joining the Ownership Society no longer pencils out…
Here is a story with a link to a video story which explains the A-B-C’s of how to
gambleinvest in the Chinese stock market.Just for grins, I fit a log-quadratic growth model to the FDIC’s “problem bank” count:
Date Actual Fitted Residual
6/08 117
3/09 305
6/09 416
6/10 1376
6/11 4237
I know these estimates are overly pessimistic, as I have not explicitly taken under consideration the self-extinguishing nature of banking crises (Intuition: Each bank failure represents one fewer problem bank, and the ultimate maximum number of problem banks has to be some fraction of the existing number of banks, adjusted for the ever-dwindling number of banks in the system). For starters, one should base such estimates off a reasonable tally of the initial total number of banks.
FDIC says it has 416 banks on “problem list”
SIFMA SmartBrief | 08/28/2009
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. said its list of problem banks has grown from 117 at the end of June 2008 to 305 at the end of March to 416 at the end of June. Those banks have combined assets worth nearly $300 billion. The number of troubled lenders continues to rise despite indications that the economy is stabilizing. “It’s a continuation of the deterioration across the industry,” said Gerard Cassidy, a bank analyst at RBC Capital Markets. “We think there are hundreds of failures to come.” Wall Street Journal, The (08/28)
Wonder how the Great California Garage Sale is going.
Go to SFGate dot com
Arnie’s autograph hasn’t really helped much
“Arnie’s autograph hasn’t really helped much”
They should figure out how to program a robot to sign trinkets with a perfect replica of his and other Hollywood stars’ signatures. CA could innovate a new form of seignorage creation without the need to issue I.O.U.s or to counterfeit Federal Reserve Notes. So long as they do not explicitly advertise the signatures as authentic, I am thinking there would be no fraud involved.
Have you ever gotten a personal “form’ letter from a church signed by the pastor asking for funds? signed? riiiiiiiiighT.
It’s called an “autopen” and was invented in 1803 by John Isaac Hawkins.
Now we just print or silk screen them.
“If we can avoid meltdown by artificially stimulating the economy, why on Earth not try that first??”
A logical well thought out plan is one thing but just throwing money around without understanding the problem is another. I don’t see where we are stimulating anything. The Government is function on HOPE. Hope that if they can forestall things just until next month or years end things will automatically work themselves out. It won’t happen! We have idiots in leadership positions.
If you understand what real problem is, and know of a solution to that problem, I for one would be delighted if you’d be so kind as to share your views.
Joey,
I have a small suggestion, which is that the US needs to open up a public debate about what it wants its banking system to do and whether the one in place is getting ‘er done. Most other areas of governance in this country actually require a public process, but somehow, perhaps due to a never-ending series of crises, the banking system’s important decisions seem to almost always end up getting made behind closed doors at the height of crisis.
The nice thing about public debates is that you don’t have to rely on finding some ‘expert’ who ‘understand(s) what real problem is, and know(s) of a solution to that problem’ — the Wisdom of Crowds can do the work in an open pubic process.
“pubic process”
Oops — I guess I missed the ‘l’ key on that one word. That looks kind of bad
public debates ..
As long as those millions who participated in the bubble are excluded, something good might come of it.
Seriously though, even if a large portion of the people were interested in and knowledgeable enough to understand the subject and weigh the options wisely, there are just too many people to expect constructive debates.. so we elect representatives to do the debating for us.
“As long as those millions who participated in the bubble are excluded, something good might come of it.”
The more that enter the discussion, the better. Democracy is strengthened by increased participation.
except that we don’t have a democracy.. Our govt is a Constitutional republic.
Democracies can be most unfair.
When 30% favor one thing, 25% favor something else, 20%, 15% and 10% want other things, that 30% minority can rule over the larger majority (the 70% remainder).
Joey, you did hit there on one solution. The representative republic is great, but the districts for congress are far too big, population wise.
“Our govt is a Constitutional republic.”
That’s a red herring. Open discussion trumps backroom deals in most cases regardless of the form of government.
It’s called a representative democracy…. you know…. when we exercise our right to vote? Like for President and those guys called representatives? Remember that? And that little thingy called separation of powers to preclude the formation of monoliths that accumulate too much power which threatens that other little thingy called….. democracy?
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Did a shortbus passenger hijack joey’s username?
dude, i dunno if districts are too big or just too gerrymandered.
if a clusterF* of 500 people is a sorry mess, one with a thousand participants can only be messier, imo.
I am going to bed. I know this is not True Confessions, but, I just saw a close friend of mine drop dead. Well, he isn’t dead yet, but he was helicoptered. My heart is broken right now. They say he won’t make it.
Very sorry to hear that AU.
I am 37 and in great health. I had a stroke 2 weeks ago with zero warning. Life can definitely throw you curve balls. Lucky for me, my youth means I will fully recover. I pretty much have already.
Sorry, ATE.
Best wishes. My dad had strokes at age 60, but changed his diet and gave up smoking. Lived another 19 years. He gave up pies and sweets and drank lots of water and ate lots of oranges. Hope this helps.
Good luck and hope you regain your health swiftly Left LA.
Good luck, pal. You bring back the memory of the only close friends of similar age to mine whose deaths I had to work through so far in my life. By coincidence, one was a roommate in Edwardsville, and a second was a fellow math grad student under Dr. Nick’s tutelage. There is nothing quite so painful as the loss of a close friend or loved one.
Oh Ate-Up,
I am so sorry to hear about your friend. Take good care of yourself.
Am so sorry ATE-UP. You and your friend will be in our thoughts
Sorry Ate up,
I’m be thinking about ya man….
Geez, ATE-UP…sorry to hear that…
ATE-UP, please accept my heartfelt empathy. Think about the gift you gave your friend. You were there to witness, and to help with your presence. Your image will be one of the last ones he holds.
Sorry to hear about your friend Ate Up. We lost our guest skipper (another member from our yacht club) in the middle of a sailling race to a massive heart attack. It does shake you up to watch someone loving life and then suddenly gone. It’s really difficult to feel so helpless.
I’ll keep you and he in my thoughts tonight.
I’m sorry A-U.
I’m so sorry to hear about your friend, Ate-Up. Sometimes people make it even if they arrive at the medical centers in helicopters. I hope for the best.
Sorry .
Mmmmm…
Peanut Butter Crunch, snack food of morbidly obese champions!
Tide turns as Florida Shrinks:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/us/30florida.html
Florida, in particular, was not built for emptying. Its government, since a 1924 constitutional amendment banned a state income tax, relies heavily on sales and property taxes, which are more closely linked with population growth.
I wonder why they chose to go with a constitutional amendment? If they don’t want an income tax, just don’t pass one.
States that praise themselves for not having one of the three big taxes (income, property, sales) have always puzzled me. The state WILL raise the revenue it wants: if they foreclose one option they will simply jack up the rates on the others. Oregon has no sales tax, but I’ve heard horror stories from friends who live there about abusive property tax changes.
Okay, this evening I am in a stupid mental state:
To be financially savvy, we should not buy any real estate yet because the RE market willl continue to go down through the resets the next two and a half years. We will have to wait until rents cost more than owning before we buy after that.
Also, only the cool people here on HBB know that the stock market is rigged and you cannot get rich buying stocks. Anymore. Ever! 1980 through February 2000 was an aberration.
So ’splain me this (while I sip from Estancia Pino Noir): How would a full time engineer become wealthy if he does not want to start his own business?
Passbook savings? Gold? Can anyone find me a URL of an asset class that beats out all other forms of investments in a 20 yedar period?
Bill, Reuven has his own business, and he seems content. I don’t know what he does, exactly, but he IS an engineer. Maybe there is a niche to which you can lay claim, as he has done, and prosper by doing the same thing, with some more cultivation on the front end.
The cultivation on the front end is grueling, and you still have to do the work. But you can leverage your efforts by spreading the work to other folks who, like you, are looking for work. There are plenty, and I’m sure you know some of them. From experience, they will be glad to work with you on a 1099 basis, as long as you maintain the standard of professional consideration that you wish you’d been extended.
You may have more interesting things to do with your time, but this might be a good general area to ponder on, when you are in a pondering mood.
Marry well.
(Come on BiLA - we all know you have it in you to be a manwhore.)
PB not sure if you’re online tonight - FYI I’m on vacation (Hershey PA) this weekend so not posting/monitoring much, until Tuesday. Ben hasn’t gotten back to me with your email yet for some reason.
Economist sees rebound for San Diego real estate market
The National Association of Realtors’ chief economist paints upbeat picture of market, as industry professionals push for more favorable laws.
By Helen Kaiao Chang, SDNN
Tuesday, August 18, 2009
An expert economist sees good things for the San Diego housing market.
Lawrence Yun, chief economist for the National Association of Realtors, said the local market is buoyed by a tight housing inventory and federal tax incentives.
Yun was speaking at a lunch event hosted by the San Diego Association of Realtors on Tuesday. Some 700 people attended the event held at the DoubleTree Hotel in Mission Valley. San Diego Mayor Jerry Sanders, as well as representatives of various politicians in town, also attended the event.
“The worst in housing is probably already past in the San Diego market,” said Yun. “Home values have fallen so much that many of the potential buyers who have been sidelined are understanding this is a great opportunity.”
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Whew, good thing I bought a house today. Maybe I’d better double down and get another one tomorrow?
(PS To all the sarcasm-challenged New Yorkers - I am kidding. I will not buy until at least 2012. But thank you for your concern.)
SD:
We are not sarcasm-challenged, nope I forget which blog I’m on sometimes….OOPs dang this is the smart peoples blog…
Packman,
Were you going to send me that data?
I have some San Diego County foreclosure data to send you as well if you are interested. I am hoping you can put the graphs up in the same way you have made other graphs available for display here.
One is monthly NODs & Trustee’s Deeds from 1991-July 2009; the other is annual aggregates for the same series from 1974-2008 (I included a projected version of 2009 totals as well).
Take home messages:
- NODs and Trustee’s Deeds are at all-time high levels.
- Highest previous levels before the current episode were about 16K NODs (1982?) and 4K Trustee’s Deeds (1983).
- Despite another foreclosure moratorium which is supposed to soon expire, 2009 levels are on track to be higher than 2008 levels, with NODs running near 40K (2 1/2 times the 1982 level) and Trustee’s Deeds running at about 22K (5 1/2 times the 1983 level).
- Despite FunYun’s reassuring message to San Diego area realtors last week, there is no indication in these statistics that a bottom is in the making. These statistics are way off the charts!
Rep. Frank eyes Fed audit, emergency lending curbs
Well do you think Barney is starting to feel the heat?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090830/bs_nm/us_usa_fed_audits_2