August 30, 2009

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Comment by az_lender
2009-08-30 03:45:48

John Mauldin (with some partners) is starting a mutual fund. I’ll probably not put any money in it, but I liked this assertion: “Buy and Hold is not a strategy, it’s a religious belief.”

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-30 06:40:51

That interpretation of that comment depends upon ones own faith, or lack thereof…

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-30 06:57:35

(In Mauldin’s case, he is disparaging “Buy and Hold.” )

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 08:51:38

“How shall we f o, Lord?”

“You are all individuals!”

“I’m not.”

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 07:04:57

“Investing in John Mauldin’s startup mutual fund is not a strategy, it’s a religious belief.”

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-30 07:13:37

Yup, that’s why I ain’t doing it!

 
 
Comment by diemos
2009-08-30 09:56:23

Buy and Hold, translated in english:
Stocks always go up.

Which means that that strategy will work great as long as stocks always do go up but is just a strategy for setting your money on fire if stocks go down.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 11:04:22

I had a conversation with my baby sis a couple of days ago. She is neither a buy-and-hold investor nor a day trader, but rather what I would describe as a buy-the-great-big-dips investor. Every few months she times her exit from the stock market after a big spike up, like the one from March through August, for instance. (Part of the reason I called was to see if she was about to “pull” her stock holdings before the onset of the September-October fire sale months on Wall Street. ) Then she waits for the latest wave of panic to reach a peak before finding a suitable entry point back into stocks. She goes long, but not for “too long.” She told me she added a non negligible fraction of her annual income on top over the past year by playing this strategy.

So then I asked her if she was familiar with the Japanese stock market’s behavior from around 1989-now. I am too lazy to look up the precise details, but roughly speaking, the NIKKEI Index topped out at around 39K in 1989, dropped off within a few years by 2/3 to a level around 13K, and never recovered. As one who invests on the belief that another upswing is a sure thing after every big drop, she was a little surprised to learn how some stock market dips can last for decades. I suppose her strategy would still have trumped a buy-and-hold strategy with Japanese stocks over the past couple of decades, so long as you weren’t long the day the market started dropping off 39K.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 11:07:28

Japan Democrats’ win may buoy Nikkei, dent JGBs
Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:54am EDT
By Masayuki Kitano

TOKYO (Reuters) - A historic election win by Japan’s opposition Democratic Party on Sunday is likely to buoy Tokyo shares on hopes for less policy deadlock, putting pressure on Japanese government bonds and the yen.

The Nikkei closed at 10,534.14 on Friday, having climbed 50 percent from a trough hit in early March, and holding near a 10-month high of 10,668.74 hit on Wednesday.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 14:39:17

Taking the “50 pct from a trough” comment literally, the low would have been at about

2/3*10,534.14 = 7,022.76.

Compared to the 39K high, this means that as of this March, two decades after the Nikkei peaked, it’s level was
(1-7,022.76/39,000)*100 = 82 percent below the peak.

Try not to catch yerself a falling knife!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:04:59

What do earnings have to do with stock prices, anyway?

U.S. second-quarter earnings tough to beat
Sun Aug 30, 2009 12:59pm EDT
By Caroline Valetkevitch

NEW YORK (Reuters) - For corporate America and Wall Street, the second quarter may be a tough act to follow.

Intel Corp (INTC.O), which reported quarterly results that surpassed expectations last month, surprised the Street again on Friday morning by raising its revenue outlook.

But the broader market’s initial euphoric response to the news soon fizzled. That left participants wondering: In the dearth of earnings, what will push stocks higher from here?

“This market has about as much good news baked into it as it can take,” said Angel Mata, managing director of listed equity trading at Stifel Nicolaus Capital Markets in Baltimore.

“We’re at that point now where there is no more good news that could come out that can really juice this market.”

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-08-30 15:43:41

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/Extra/celebrities-big-financial-blunders.aspx?GT1=33002

Why do the sheeple persist in believing that celebrities are somehow more gifted when it comes to investing? Examples to the contrary notwithstanding….

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-30 04:15:45

Coming soon: cash for appliances
Sunday, August 30, 2009 S.F.Gate

The popularity of Cash for Clunkers has built excitement for the government’s next program to stimulate the economy and save energy: cash for appliances.

In June, the Department of Energy said it is making

$300 million in stimulus-act money available to state energy offices to offer rebates on energy-efficient household appliances. California’s share is $35.27 million.

Unlike the $3 billion clunkers program, which required an old car to be traded in, consumers do not have to turn in an old appliance to get a rebate on a new one.

Another difference: The clunkers program was consistent nationwide, but each state can decide which appliance categories will be eligible for rebates, how energy efficient they must be, the amount of the rebates, whether they can be combined with other rebates, how the money will be tracked, and how consumers and retailers will know when it is about to run out.

The California Energy Commission, which will receive the money in California, has made no decisions about any of these issues.

“We have until Oct. 15 to apply for the program. The federal government has until the end of November to disburse awards back to the state,” says Amy Morgan, a spokeswoman for the commission. She says consumers can start getting rebates “later this fall or maybe early 2010.” In the meantime, she says, consumers should investigate rebates offered by utilities.

The U.S. Energy Department says appliances eligible for federal rebates include central air conditioners, heat pumps (air source and geothermal), boilers, furnaces (oil and gas), room air conditioners, clothes washers, dishwashers, freezers, refrigerators and water heaters. States don’t have to include all these appliances in their programs. They can propose additional ones, which will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis, an Energy Department spokeswoman says.

To qualify, an appliance must carry the U.S. government’s Energy Star label, but states could require even higher energy-efficiency ratings such as those put out by the Consortium for Energy Efficiency.

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-30 04:26:06

Look for the used-house ads to start sprouting the phrase “All new appliances!”

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-30 05:36:34

These programs are an absolute joke. Can somebody explain how this is creating jobs? My brain doesn’t go there.

Comment by yensoy
2009-08-30 08:07:52

Of course it’s creating jobs.

(in China)

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-08-30 08:09:16

and in Mehico….who is laying off 1100 yesterday ???????whirlpool?

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Comment by CentralCoastDude
2009-08-30 10:02:35

no jobs, but saves water and energy which leads to layoffs at the util co’s as revenue drops.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-08-30 15:47:53

These programs are an absolute joke. Can somebody explain how this is creating jobs? My brain doesn’t go there.

Livid doesn’t describe the way I feel about these boondoggles, or the fury I feel toward the heedless and selfish generational transfer of staggering debts and problems unto our children. Both parties disgust me, as do the idiots who continue to vote for more of the same.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-08-30 06:01:52

Funny, I was going to replace my clothes washer, dryer, refrigerator and water heater. Just because I normally buy when everyone isn’t, the water heater is 16 years old, and now that I have a solar electric system on part of the roof, I’m shooting to get my electric use down to what the panels produce (on average).

I’m not sure they are going to induce anything. And I was going to pay cash out of savings. Now I’ll be borrowing some of money from my kids.

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-30 07:02:16

“borrowing from my kids”

– Just read how the overwhelming victory (today) of Japan’s opposition party is based on the ruling party’s failure to deal with “tough problems such as rising national debt.”

So guess what the opposition is proposing: free high schools, toll-free highways, farm subsidies, increased minimum wages, and … tax cuts.

Yup, that oughta cure that “rising national debt.” Hmm…

Comment by michael
2009-08-30 12:43:36

hey…if it works in merika it could work there.

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Comment by CentralCoastDude
2009-08-30 09:59:57

Darn, i just bought an LG front loader, I did get $70 and $35 in rebates from elec and gas co. Net cost just under $300 and saves me $20-30 per mo.

 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-08-30 10:01:18

I used to post silly ads on craigslist looking to buy high end appliances from houses going under. I would offer 10 cents on the dollar, and sprinkle it with stuff about what do you care you’re walking away and all this. It would usually get flagged pretty quickly since Realtards hawk over the housing for sale base. It was fun though.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-30 10:20:04

A few wks ago I posted that I was looking at a CL ad for rental house, I knew the neighborhood and all and the house. It was a for real house, listed to sell. The ad said download this app and when all is perfect they will send the key.
WELL, the news finally caught on here in the desert, cause it was on the news.

Too good to be true, ad.

 
 
 
Comment by CA renter
2009-08-30 04:16:44

A friend of a friend developed the following site and is looking for input. All kinds of interesting economic info and graphs included there if you sort things using the tabs on top.

Thanks!

http://www.fedviewer.com/

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 07:01:31

That is an attractive looking site. I have a few questions about it, though:

1) Is it OK with TTT and BB for their pictures to appear prominently on the home page? (I recall the scene from “Julie and Julia” when Julie is shocked to learn that Julia Childs is not enthralled over the blog which features her life story.)

2) The stuff on the right (Fed district map and Quarterly Fund Analysis) seem like they should be linked to other information, but they aren’t (maybe this is in development?).

3) I am having great difficulty seeing the green shoots in the stock analysis graphic on the left. Are you sure your friend did not get the fresh produce department mixed up with the meat department?

Comment by scdave
2009-08-30 08:40:42

#3….+1 :)

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-08-30 18:58:39

LOL on #3, PB.

I will forward your comments to him, if you don’t mind.

 
Comment by jamesp
2009-09-01 20:47:23

#1 at some point, those pictures will be gone.
#2 yes, it is in development, the “main part” is the data grid, which is working pretty well.

#3 there is no stock analysis graphic. The description above the left graphic, and the link connected to it reference the data section of the site.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-08-30 10:00:58

“…FedViewer.com provides an easy-to-digest graphic representation of approximately 700 different factors affecting the U.S. economy, measured on a monthly basis, going back as far as 1919.”

#662 0f 700:
The price of a cup of joe at Denny’s = $1.99 :-)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-30 14:50:54

Nice!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-30 04:41:23

Natural Gas Prices at 7-Year-Low and Affecting Local Economy 8/28/09
CBS 7 News

August 28, 2009
Midland, Texas -

Natural Gas prices are at a seven-year low and while consumers are happy it’s hurting the local economy.

“Everybody gets impacted somewhat in a severe downturn like this is and as fast as it went down”, says Natural Gas Services Group CEO, Steve Taylor.

On Labor Day of last year, natural gas was around $7.00 per million BTU, while today, it is less than half that, around $3.00. 
The drastic dive is challenging local companies like the Natural Gas Services Group.

“We’ve laid off a fair amount of our fabrication people”, says Taylor.

Steve Taylor’s company has been somewhat insulated from the price-dive but others are hurting.

“The macro economic picture’s got to get better. There’s got to be some demand in the system”, says Taylor.

Taylor’s right. Greater supply in part from the Barnett Shale and the beaten economy has reduced demand, thus, straining natural gas companies.

“The general economy has something to do with it but the lower price of natural gas also contributes significantly to impact the workforce and the unemployment rate”, says UTPB Dean of Business, Jack Ladd.

Companies are not only forced to sell gas for lower prices they’re selling less overall.

“It’s caused the unemployment rate in the Permian Basin to increase. There are layoffs in the area where we have a larger number of energy companies such as we’re blessed with out here”, says Ladd.

While prices continue to deflate, experts predict a rebound for natural gas.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-08-30 10:41:08

“…Companies are not only forced to sell gas for lower prices they’re selling less overall.”

BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)

Oil at $147.60 was the result of: Supply & Demand!…see how “efficient” the “Free” markets work! :-)

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-08-30 15:50:24

Oil at $147.60 was the result of rampant speculation, pure and simple.

 
 
Comment by tresho
2009-08-30 11:08:46

Companies are not only forced to sell gas for lower prices they’re selling less overall. And these commodity producers are shocked, shocked, shocked that their income fluctuates with demand and price changes. Give the rest of us a break. Give me a break. I’m paying more than 3 times this “$3.00″ rate at the moment.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-30 11:49:30

Speaking of gas… then why is gasoline going up?
Yes yes, diff gases, but still, less drivers…?

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-30 04:44:23

“Allowing the Fed to operate our nation’s monetary system in almost complete secrecy leads to abuse, inflation and a lower quality of life.” ~Sen. Jim DeMint

A growing number of representatives in Washington are pushing for a full blown audit of the FED. The pressure is mounting, I sincerely hope it comes to pass.

Comment by tresho
2009-08-30 11:14:16

The pressure is mounting, I sincerely hope it comes to pass. Barney Frank was quoted by Yahoo Finance, saying that the House legislation would pave the way for an audit to look into what the central bank “buys and sells,” but he said the data would be released after a period of several months to avoid impacting financial markets.
Congress can’t handle this, if the way it’s handling ‘health care reform’ is any guide. I suspect any audit that Congress actually performs will be more fuss ‘n feathers than substance, no real changes will be made, and that Ben Bernanke will continue his rule as Fed chairman.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:08:17

I look for a few more bold comments from the likes of Frank over the next few months until the issue gradually dies from memory after BB resumes his second term in office…

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-08-30 15:54:16

The pressure is mounting, I sincerely hope it comes to pass.

Please do more than hope. Go to Ron Paul’s web site - he’s the driving force behind the move to audit the Fed - and see how you can TAKE ACTION and put pressure on your elected representatives to audit the Fed.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-08-30 15:57:22

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siqI68JHSKQ

Shelly Roche - the beauty with brains who is a wonderful voice for sanity and limited government - on why she wants to audit and end the Fed. Support HR 1207!

 
 
Comment by neuromance
2009-08-30 16:58:51

The pressure is mounting, I sincerely hope it comes to pass.

Tsk. Your lack of trust in the benevolence and benefit-to-society of the Fed clearly indicates that you are a “_Kook_”.

The people at the Fed are veritable saints and beyond normal human desires and tendencies. Your lack of faith disturbs me.

I’m reminded of that “Leave Britney Alone!” video ;)

Comment by neuromance
2009-08-30 17:02:04

LEAVE THE FED ALONE RIGHT NOW! I MEAN IT! (Not safe for work language):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc

:)

 
 
 
Comment by mgnyc99
2009-08-30 04:57:23

when will they announce cash for savers?

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-30 05:09:39

Apropos of [no] cash for savers, I was just reading a July 14 Washington Times article entitled “Catastrophic Budget Failure.” It says interest rates on US notes/bonds should be rising right now in anticipation of the multi-trill additional debt being predicted by CBO. Missing from the author’s commentary on why this is not happening is any mention of the Fed’s purchases of Treasury debt. The War on Savers, incarnate. The author’s agenda is radical cuts in govt services, that’s probably why he doesn’t address the Fed’s actions.

Comment by palmetto
2009-08-30 06:31:05

And I read an article the other day about how taxes will have to rise steeply, on all income levels except the the poverty level, in order to address the trillion dollar deficit. Not to mention a VAT added to income tax. I’m all for a national sales tax, but want to see the “income tax” eliminated first, once and for all, in its current incarnation, anyway. What’s really twisted is how the “income tax” has ended up to be a tax on wages, when it was originally supposed to be a tax on income from investments.

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-30 19:33:36

Personally, I prefer a progressive income tax. Yes, it should be much higher for investment income than for wages.

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Comment by potential buyer
2009-08-30 12:05:49

Banks can’t afford to pay savers any interest, imo

Comment by oxide
2009-08-30 15:53:43

Oh I see, so banks just want our cash to shore up their own reserves without giving us anything in return? I’d rather put my trust in the Bank of Posturepedic.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 06:20:09

That was last year’s bailout (as recommended by AG). Don’t you remember that helicopter drop of cash that magically appeared in your account around tax time last year?

My guess is that because so many households (efficiently) applied the cash to either building up savings or paying down debt, this year’s rounds of stimuli came with strings attached (Cash-4-Clunkers, Dough-4-Dumps).

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-30 07:05:49

I didn’t receive it, because I had saved too effectively.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 07:07:55

We must be doing something right, because my wife ‘unexpectedly’ purchased a new viola bow last year. I thought of it as violin shop stimulus.

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Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 09:19:54

It would be fun to have a combination bow shop and Italian restaurant.

They could call it “Pernambuco-de-Beppo”.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 10:34:33

Good one, Dennis — but pretty elitist :-) . Are you a fiddle player?

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 11:21:19

Well I came from an anti-musical family. When I discovered music in college, I tried to learn the ‘cello but never quite got the hang of it. Later I realized that I had two handicaps for ‘cello. 1) My hands are small for a guy and 2) my left ring finger was broken as a child and set crooked.

A year or two ago I picked up a decent student violin at a ridiculous price on ebay, and when my income increases I plan to take some lessons. The finger positions on a violin are much better for me than on the ‘cello.

 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-08-30 12:13:13

I always prowl craigslist looking for musical instrument deals. Missed a Bach Stradivarius model 37 trumpet for $100. But scored the Roland electronic drumkit for $350. Guy was moving to another area, less populous, much higher salary for the same type of work that he was doing here in Southeastern Virginia. Gotten a deal or two on saxophones as well. Lots of overpriced stuff though.

 
 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 08:56:00

Well the government could guarantee a 5% interest rate on a special money-market account for savers with up to say $500K. You know, small time savers in retirement. Rich people would have to stash amounts above that someplace else.

Cash for savers. I kind of like the sound of that.

Comment by drumminj
2009-08-30 09:27:52

didn’t the fed ‘guarantee’ MMFs up to $250k? Wasn’t that “cash for savers”?

Then again, it was “Cash for savers who took risks and then got bailed out after the risks came to fruition”, while those of us who were prudent and didn’t take those extra risks simply got the shaft.

Sigh.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-08-30 09:55:28

Nice Dennis. I’d jump on that in a second but they’ll never do anything like that as it would limit the number of bank slaves.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-30 05:07:42

Death dance: Financial ‘zombies’ still trading
Associated Press
Sunday, August 30, 2009

Washington — Investors are still trading common shares of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and American International Group Inc. by the billions, even though analysts say their prices are almost certain to go to zero.

All three are majority-owned by the government and are losing huge sums of money. The Securities and Exchange Commission and other regulators lack authority to end trading of stocks in such “zombie” companies that technically are alive — until the government takes them off life support.

Shares of the two mortgage giants and the insurer have been swept up in a summer rally in financial stocks. Investors have been trading their shares at abnormally high volumes, despite analysts’ warnings that they’re destined to lose their money.

“People have done well by trading them (in the short term), but when it gets to the end of the road, these stocks are going to be worth zero,” said Bose George, an analyst with the investment bank Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Inc.

Some of the activity involves day traders aiming to profit from short-term price swings, George said. But he said inexperienced investors might have the misimpression that the companies may recover or be rescued.

“That would be kind of unfortunate,” he said. “There could be a lot of improvement in the economy, and these companies would still be worth zero.”

The government continues to support the companies with billions in taxpayer money, saying they still play a crucial role in the financial system.

Fannie and Freddie buy loans from banks and sell them to investors — a role critical to the mortgage market. They have tapped about $96 billion out of a potential $400 billion in aid from the Treasury Department.

Officials have said AIG’s failure would be disastrous for the financial markets. Treasury and the Federal Reserve have spent about $175 billion on AIG and AIG-related securities. The company also has access to $28 billion from the $700 billion financial industry bailout.

But analysts say the wind-down strategies for the companies are almost sure to wipe out any common equity, making their shares worthless.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 06:52:59

“…companies that technically are alive — until the government takes them off life support.”

I didn’t know the government planned to ever take AIG and the GSEs off life support. When and where was this plan announced? Please provide a link so we will know this is not just hearsay.

Comment by wmbz
2009-08-30 07:08:17

PB, Don’t know if the link will post, but it was an AP story posted in the Post & Courier Charleston, S.C.

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2009/aug/30/death-dance-financial-zombies-still-trading/

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 07:25:01

Thanks.

I am still missing it; don’t all companies’ share prices eventually go to $0? What is so different about these particular companies? (May as well throw GM into the mix of companies under discussion, as I have heard similar news items about the mystery of why their stock trades above $0.)

‘“People have done well by trading them (in the short term), but when it gets to the end of the road, these stocks are going to be worth zero,” said Bose George, an analyst with the investment bank Keefe, Bruyette & Woods Inc.

Some of the activity involves day traders aiming to profit from short-term price swings, George said. But he said inexperienced investors might have the misimpression that the companies may recover or be rescued.

“That would be kind of unfortunate,” he said. “There could be a lot of improvement in the economy, and these companies would still be worth zero.”’

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-30 05:34:11

Never eat a pint of Ben and Jerry’s “Coffee Heath Bar Crunch” late at night and expect to get a good nights sleep.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 06:51:04

Thanks for the tip. Now I won’t have to experiment on my own stomach.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-08-30 07:07:25

I can’t eat even 2 ounces of ANY coffee ice cream in the evening and expect to get a good night’s sleep. (But I don’t drink coffee, so am overly sensitive.)

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 07:08:59

Recommended remedy: Start drinking coffee, today!

 
 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-08-30 11:18:47

Yeah… a pint isn’t enough. It takes at least a quart, but a half gallon is better. :)

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-30 11:54:26

My favorite is “Peanut Butter and Chocolate” by Baskin-Robbins. Mmmmm good!

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-30 05:37:31

http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2009/7/31_John_Mauldin__Part_I.html

I’m listening to this broadcast interview w/John Mauldin. More than 1/2 way through they start talking about block sales of WCI condos in Miami that sold for 94% off peak. They were in the Luxury I Bal Harbor Complex.

As some of us HBBers sit here and wait for prices to fall to have a chance at a first home, I’m feeling a bit of anger toward these block sales of properties never offered to the public. Or is this necessary when properties are located in an empty and deteriorating building?

Comment by WT Economist
2009-08-30 06:32:27

It’s necessary when units are in an empty building. Think about it — if you were the only buyer, you could be on the hook for the property taxes, insurance, and maintenance of the entire building!

The real opportunity is to get together with 300 other people you trust and move to Florida. That way you could buy the whole building.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 06:49:53

Whoever buys an empty condo block apparently should have in mind a viable plan for selling all the units.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-30 07:38:27

At 6% of peak price they apparently cash flow quite nicely as rentals as pointed out in the interview.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 10:36:08

Maybe it’s time for Ben Jones to start up his HBB REIT?

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-08-30 19:41:15

Yes!

Seriously, we need to think about this, IMHO.

I’m getting sick and tired of watching everyone else profit from this whole debacle, while those of us who’ve stayed on the sidelines earn a pithy .33-2% on our liquid savings. Something’s just not right with this.

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-30 07:40:55

I still wonder if those could sell immediately if they were offered to the public at say 50% or 25% or is there no longer any intact management due to bankruptcy?

 
 
Comment by scdave
2009-08-30 09:04:47

Pretty standard practice….Bundle sales to deep pockets…

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-08-30 12:28:52

Well you all predicted some Kondozes in FloorRiddah will go to ZERO

And it makes sense when you add in all the costs and what the rental market will bear.

Its amazing how many Millions of Americans still have no clue how to use a calculator.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 22:09:30

There is also something interesting here known as a ‘pecuniary externality.’ The basic issue is that you cannot cost-effectively sell an empty condo development one unit at a time, without a comprehensive marketing strategy to quickly fill the entire development. If there were only a couple of residents in a large complex, the association dues would have to be crushingly high, or else the owner would have to eat common are maintenance fees until he can fill the place.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 06:16:58

Michael Hirsh
Aug 28, 2009
Lecturing Bernanke

The Fed chairman’s old teacher worries that Washington isn’t fixing the too-big-to-fail issue.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 07:13:45

Some prominent economists can read the handwriting on the wall. Perhaps it helps to work in the part of the world where the “Old Testament” was scribed?

‘Fischer was not only Bernanke’s teacher; he was also one of the preeminent economic officials of the ’90s, the era of the “Washington consensus” bias in favor of deregulation. After leaving the IMF he became vice chairman of Citigroup—the corporate embodiment of the too-big-to-fail problem. So it was all the more remarkable to hear Fischer apparently jumping to the other side of the issue and chiding his former student at the annual Jackson Hole, Wyo., conference for central bankers last week. Fischer also seemed to take aim at his former allies from the deregulatory ’90s, Larry Summers and Tim Geithner. “We seem to be taking it for granted that we should go back to the structure of the financial system as it was on the eve of the crisis,” said Fischer, who is now the governor of the Bank of Israel.’

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 07:19:58

As I have pointed out numerous times, one of the most prevalent fallacies in economics is to assume that all stochastic processes are reversible. They aren’t.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-08-30 11:07:30

“…said Fischer, who is now the governor of the Bank of Israel”

Does giving large sums of free money $$$$$$$ to a Gov’t…. have ANY influence on their economy?

“Run Hwy,…Run! :-)

“Since the October War in 1973, Washington has provided Israel with a level of support dwarfing the amounts provided to any other state. It has been the largest annual recipient of direct U.S. economic and military assistance since 1976 and the largest total recipient since World War ll. Total direct U.S. aid to Israel amounts to well over $140 billion in 2003 dollars. Israel receives about $3 billion in direct foreign assistance each year, which is roughly one-fifth of America’s entire foreign aid budget. In per capita terms, the United States gives each Israeli a direct subsidy worth about $500 per year. This largesse is especially striking when one realizes that Israel is now a wealthy industrial state with a per capita income roughly equal to South Korea or Spain.”

- John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt
“The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy”

* The source for US military aid to Israel during Fiscal Year 2009 is the Congressional Research Service’s “U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel,” written by Jeremy M. Sharp, Specialist in Middle Eastern Affairs, updated February 3, 2009. According to this report, by early February 2009, the US had already given Israel at least $2.55 billion ($2,500,000,000) in military aid for Fiscal Year 2009.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-30 11:47:39

“We seem to be taking it for granted that we should go back to the structure of the financial system as it was on the eve of the crisis,”

If only we could have unloaded about 100 “daisy cutters” on that Jackson Hole conference…

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-08-30 07:17:43

All animals are equal but some are more equal than others, the Farm:

Rather than breaking up the big banks that failed, “the Obama administration has actually expanded the notion of ‘too big to fail,’ ” Stiglitz told me in June. Now giant institutions like Citigroup, he says, are considered “too big to be financially restructured.” On the other side of the aisle, Nicole Gelinas of the Manhattan Institute recently complained that the administration’s June financial-regulatory proposal actually “formalizes” the too-big-to-fail pathology by providing loans, purchasing assets, guaranteeing liabilities, and making equity investments in faltering giant firms. She says the proposal does nothing about making sure that bondholders and other uninsured lenders take losses.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 07:21:38

Too-big-to-fail corporations may provide a too-big-to-contain source of campaign contributions.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-08-30 09:52:50

They may also fill key Cabinet and policy positions with their alumni.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:12:06

They have the public-private partnership thingee pretty well figured out.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 10:41:17

Comment by GH
2009-08-30 08:45:08

“Bailouts are one thing, but the corporate leaders in these organizations should have been held accountable for massive fraud. I would have used some of the bailout money to buy a tanker of tar and all the feathers I could get my hands on. Thus while the organizations might believe they would be bailed out, those absolutely responsible would suffer another fate.”

This was a comment below the same article where I first posted it on the Fed thread yesterday. We some times joke around here about tar & feathers, pitch forks, etc, but on a serious note, shouldn’t relieving top managers of failed Wall Street banks of their duties have been a precondition for handing their organizations TARP funds last fall? Of course, I realize there was a panic, a crisis, and a near brush with the entire Earth going up in flames, so perhaps ‘they’ did not have time to think the whole thing through…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 06:23:07

Even with thousands going into foreclosure around San Diego County each month, the housing shortage continues, especially as regards affordable rentals.

Stimulus gives lifeline to affordable housing
But there’s not enough money for every project
By Lori Weisberg
Union-Tribune Staff Writer

2:00 a.m. August 29, 2009

An affordable-housing high-rise is under construction on B Street in San Diego. (Peggy Peattie / Union-Tribune) -

“At a time when there’s more and more people in need — suffering from unemployment, foreclosures, loss of health insurance — there will be less money available to produce affordable rental housing,” said Anne Wilson of Community HousingWorks, a prolific nonprofit developer of low-income housing.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 06:26:56

Helpful advice for “underbuyers”:

Just say “No” to that next shopping trip!

Spending money can take emotional toll on tightwads

By Gregory Karp

MCT NEWS SERVICE

2:00 a.m. August 30, 2009

Call it the tightwad paradox. Ultrafrugal people are likely to have money in the bank and be in good financial position, which should contribute to their happiness. But that death grip on their dollars can detract from it.

Tightwads feel an emotional “pain of paying.” They spend less than their rational selves want to, according to the academic study “Tightwads and Spendthrifts” by University of Michigan professor Scott Rick and co-authors.

“There’s an assumption in popular culture that everybody loves to buy stuff, and that’s just not true,” said Gretchen Rubin, author of The Happiness Project blog (happiness-project. com) and a forthcoming book of the same name. “Some people hate to shop. That’s unpleasant, too. No one ever talks about that. It’s stressful to be an underbuyer.

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-30 07:17:33

I call BS.

We “underbuyers” are finally having our happy days. We are the only ones not in debt. And deflation is (at least for now) making us wealthier.

I am happily running off to Tanzania at Xmas with a teenaged relative. Happy to splurge at a time when others can’t. Like WT Econ’s post above re WT Econ’s appliance purchases.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-30 08:03:37

LOL “My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, Tanzania at Xmas.”

Sounds like you spend when you want to,az-l. But there are people for whom spending anything seems to physically hurt them. I have a ‘friend’ who has more money than god, and I’ve watched him get into heated arguments with fast food employees over being charged 10 cents for ice water. He also will encourage you to eat at any restaurant where he has a buy-one-get-one-free coupon. He wants you to pay for the whole meal, so he can eat for free. (And watch out if they try to charge him for his water. And why should he tip? His meal was free!) They’re out there…

Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 09:00:40

Why would God need money? Anytime he wants he can just wave his hands and make a pile of gold bricks.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-30 10:01:07

He foresees deflation?

 
 
 
Comment by SV guy
2009-08-30 09:51:58

+1 az.

“Save in the good times to spend in the bad times”.

It’s been my MO for a long time.

Comment by scdave
2009-08-30 11:04:55

Like buying umbrellas during the summer right ?

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-30 15:12:24

Let me know when the good time start.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-30 17:18:28

What is this man talking about? There is nothing so fun as heading off to the store once you’ve saved up for something and accomplished your goal. In fact I have feelings of glee. I kind of skip as I leave the store and smile so big it’s got sort of a dorky edge to it.

Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 18:27:29

I have a somewhat different take. Now I have enough money to buy pretty much anything in any store. I like going into a store, look around, tell myself I could afford anything in it, and then leave without buying anything because I just didn’t want anything that much. That’s a thrill to me.

Geez am I a cheapskate? :)

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 06:33:32

Goldilocks predicted to rise from the dead by 2012. Judging from the price points at which they plan to market these homes, I guess they are also predicting San Diego employment will recover by then, and the foreclosure tsunami will no longer be creating any competition for new construction?

Optimism builds
Developers see better times in the not-too-distant future
By Roger Showley
Union-Tribune Staff Writer

2:00 a.m. August 30, 2009

New homes in new subdivisions are rare this year, as builders seek to clear out their inventories and get ready for an upturn.

San Diego County’s new housing market is winding up 2009’s peak buying season with the worst record in memory — so why are builders smiling?

Sales are off 40 percent from last year’s dismal pace. Building permits so far this year for new single-family homes are down 32.7 percent from year-ago levels.

And developers seeking to erect new homes have nearly as much trouble getting construction loans as their would-be buyers have in securing mortgages.

But builders, by nature an optimistic breed, see evidence that the bottom has been reached in the worst real estate and economic downturn since World War II.

Consequently, many believe that 2010 will be OK, 2011 will be better and 2012 will be Goldilocks normal — not too hot or too cold but just about right.

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-30 09:06:07

Didn’t we have some troll on this board the other day claiming that SD sales are “hot” ? Maybe he was talking FC’s only. “Sales of new homes down 40% YOY, permits down 33%” — that rings truer.

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-30 20:17:36

Not sure if I was that troll or not… ;)

Sales in San Diego are HOT!!!!

There, I’ve said it.

Please understand that we spend quite a few hours every week looking at homes and talking to neighbors, other buyers, etc. at open houses and new home developments (not so many NHDs lately).

Some houses in the better areas are now selling at above-peak prices, while others are selling for 10-20% off peak, at most.

The bubble mentality is alive and well in San Diego.

Please understand that as one of the original readers/posters of this blog, and still-renter, I am NOT a troll. This is what I’m seeing at street level.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 22:03:48

Are you saying “buy now or get priced out forever”?

Or just commenting that homes have sold a lot faster this summer than in recent years? :-)

I am still waiting to see what happens when the foreclosure moratorium and Dough-4-Dumps end before I decide whether San Diego real estate is always going up again.

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Comment by CA renter
2009-08-31 01:23:39

Selling faster, and at higher prices than last year, in many cases. :(

Personally, I’m willing to wait many years, but my beloved spousal unit is growing weary of renting — even though we have a very comfortable and affordable rental with the best LL this side of the Mississippi. Been hearing a lot more of the “I want to have our own house before the kids grow any older” stuff lately.

The govt intervention is really killing us… :(

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 06:36:29

If Ms. Brun is correct, then how about that other article in the San Diego Homes section discussing builder optimism about the recovery of McMansion demand by 2012? Somebody is going to be wrong going forward.

There’s a lot to be said for living small
By Michael James Rocha
HOME INTERIORS EDITOR

2:00 a.m. August 30, 2009

A 600-square-foot condo in Seattle utilized custom built-ins — made of sustainable apple plywood — to maximize the use of small space. - Nathan Hartman

“Small Space Living” was written by local interior designer Christine Brun.

Living small is big right now. Just ask San Diego interior designer Christine Brun.

“I think this entire housing mess has people looking at how they live,” says Brun, the author of “Small Space Living” (Schiffer Publishing, $34.99) and a longtime syndicated columnist specializing on small spaces. “One of the unintended results that’s starting to emerge is that people are now talking about living smaller — basically tearing down one’s lifestyle.”

Gone are the days of buying large homes that need to be filled with a large amount of stuff, says Brun, who owns Christine Brun & Associates on Washington Avenue.

Comment by wmbz
2009-08-30 07:13:58

“If Ms. Brun is correct, then how about that other article in the San Diego Homes section discussing builder optimism about the recovery of McMansion demand by 2012? Somebody is going to be wrong going forward”.

And it’s Ms. Brun! The simple fact is what occurred, wide open credit to anyone can not be reintroduced without cataclysmic effects. The poor head up their ass crowd just can’t seem to grasp that. I know several people that think the housing market will turn around any day now, and start another upward march. Ain’t gonna happen.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-08-30 08:09:53

If Ms. Brun is correct, then how about that other article in the San Diego Homes section discussing builder optimism about the recovery of McMansion demand by 2012?

The oldest baby boomers will be turning 66 in 2012. The youngest baby boomers will be turning 48. In 2002 the youngest boomers weren’t even 40. The McMansion train is derailed and no amount of shilling will make it come back. This will just keep putting a long-term drag on real estate. The demographics say, “up yours” to all of these people living in la-la land.

Comment by exeter
2009-08-30 10:08:58

NYCB…

There is an assumption on this blog and on main street that boomers retire at 60-65. A very large number of them in the northeast retired as young as 55. Remember that most NE states have a multi-tiered retirement system where the benefits aren’t quite as sweet for the later retirees as they were for the earlier retirees. Basically, the first to the feedbag get the oats, those that follow don’t. Incentives (lump sum cash) have been used for years to clear the ranks of senior workers too.

I’m not suggesting there isn’t a herd of people retiring in the next 10 years. What I am saying is many of those who could afford to retire already have and they were a large demographic that drove housing sales.

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Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 13:00:45

Looking back I “retired” at age 53. Seeing the bubble getting ready to pop, I sacrificed a decent career to bail out of San Jose RE in 2006. I cleared enough to fund a frugal retirement here in Boise.

Had I waited a few more years, I would have received only maybe 60% of peak bubble prices on my house. And it’s only going to get worse as my boomer cohort all try to do the same thing: move from an expensive area to a cheap area for retirement. This is going to keep housing low in places like Sili Valley for a decade or so IMHO.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-08-31 01:27:52

Excellent decision on your part, Dennis.

 
 
 
 
Comment by kidbuck
2009-08-30 07:16:56

If you reduce the size of your spouse by 50% it does wonders for the food budget. It’s also cheaper to transport them because it takes less fuel.

Some people are happy living like sardines, some are happier in the wide open spaces. One size doesn’t fit all.

Comment by scdave
2009-08-30 09:26:40

happy living like sardines, some are happier in the wide open spaces ??

Big kitchen is what I need…Friends and family congregating around food…Does not get any better than that…

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-30 12:26:35

Remember you want your fridge, sink, and stove to be in a triangle of no more than 25 feet total length with no impediments or corners between them. A poorly designed huge kitchen can kill you if you’re a serious cook. Galley kitchens are often the best design for the actual cooking area. Put the peeps on the other side of the counter.

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Comment by oxide
2009-08-30 16:06:38

There are no eat-in counters in a galley kitchen. Pure galleys are the worst for entertaining. Islands are no good either. Best bet is a U-shape or a peninsula with the sink overlooking the living area.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-30 16:18:44

A galley just means there are two facing work stations or counters (kind of like a hallway). In a modern galley kitchen/’great room’ you just make one counter double wide, allowing it to be a work station on one side and a sitting/observation area on the other. And it’s a good barrier between the spectators and the cooks. Anyone who’s cooked professionally or even as a serious amateur knows the importance of a compact work area. Everything really needs to be a step or two away.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-08-30 18:32:29

In a modern galley kitchen/’great room’ you just make one counter double wide

Oh. I thought that was a peninula, and that “galley” meant a closed room with the door at one end. Making one wall into and open counter robs the kitchen of valuble wall cupboards. (hence the crap 1980’s practice of hanging cabinets and creating thatlow pass through that you have to bend over to peer through.) Well, whatever. :-) I do know about the work triangle, but I didn’t appreaciate until I got an L-shaped kitchen with the frigge at the long end of the L. I have to carry veggies 12 feet from the sink to the fridge.

 
 
 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2009-08-30 12:49:24

Wow. Thats like a studio. No thanks. Has to be 1000 sq.ft. minimum. I do like to be able to swing a cat….:-)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 06:47:58

I have a deep conviction the sacrosanct mortgage interest deduction is here to stay. My deep convictions have been wrong before, on rare occasions :-) . But I will believe this story when and if I see it happen.

Can anyone who understands it please explain to me the rationale behind the present law, which allows homeowners up to $1.1m in mortgage interest deductions. It sounds to me like a tax giveaway to the rich, but perhaps I am missing something important in support of this policy.

Related Terms: Washington, George W. Bush
Nation’s Housing
Revenue-raising options target mortgage deduction

By Kenneth R. Harney
2:00 a.m. August 30, 2009

Committee staffs, economists, tax lawyers and policy shapers who toil below the headlines never really leave town. For example, earlier this month the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office delivered its latest revenue-raising options for Senate and House consideration as they write this fall’s tax and budget legislation.

Tucked away in the report are several incendiary plans that could, if adopted, cost homeowners billions of dollars. Though not formal legislative proposals, the CBO’s options represent a handy fiscal menu for legislators to pick and choose from to reduce the deficit, now at unprecedented levels, or to pay for new programs they might want to advance.

Tops on the CBO’s hit list for housing: Slash deductions for homeowner mortgage interest from the present $1.1 million limit to $500,000, phased in with $100,000 annual reductions starting in 2013 and extending to 2019. Under current law, taxpayers can write off mortgage interest on their principal home debt up to $1 million, and on home equity debt up to $100,000.

Under the CBO’s option, that maximum mortgage debt amount would shrink yearly until it hit $500,000. Over a 10-year period, this change alone would boost federal tax collections by an estimated $41 billion.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 07:03:04

Even $500,000 sounds like a pretty hefty tax giveaway to the rich.

Comment by Kim
2009-08-30 09:16:33

Agreed. If it exists at all, it should be adjusted to the median home price either state-wide or even nation-wide.

 
Comment by drumminj
2009-08-30 09:26:13

How is it a tax giveaway, PB? Everyone can deduct their mortgage interest. Why is it that it’s only “fair” for it to apply to $200k houses, but not to $1mil+ houses?

Assuming ‘prudent’ lending standards, on a % basis things should appear equal between the $200k loan-owner and the $10mil loan-owner.

Is it just because the magnitudes are different? If one takes that perspective, then high income-earners get totally raped when it comes to taxes (I feel they do regardless, but that’s beside the point).

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:15:40

‘Why is it that it’s only “fair” for it to apply to $200k houses, but not to $1mil+ houses?’

It’s not fair. What I propose instead is for the government to completely eliminate the mortgage interest deduction and give $1.1m in stimulus to each American household to spend on whatever they want. That would be fair.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:55:33

“How is it a tax giveaway, PB? Everyone can deduct their mortgage interest.”

What about military personnel who rent because they have to frequently move, making it impractical for them to live in owner-occupied housing? Or people who do not earn enough money to be able to afford a home purchase, and hence rent? Or people who rent because they prefer the freedom of being able to move to another city to look for work in case they lose their job?

There are probably any number of other reasons why renting a home makes more sense than owning for some. Sure they can deduct their mortgage interest, but what good does this right do people whose mortgage interest is $0?

And haven’t you noticed there are north of 19m vacant homes in this country? The standard college first principles course in microeconomics teaches that when you subsidize something, you get too much of it.

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Comment by edward
2009-08-30 14:24:25

Yes, military personnel need some kind of tax giveaway, too. You know, since their housing is either free or added to their base pay if they live off post.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-08-30 16:15:30

You wouldn’t believe all the military wives on Craigslist posting “please help” ads. Never mind that they get free medical and dental care, a generous housing allowance, and if their husband is deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan their pay is usually not taxed. And yet these idiots still figure out ways to get themselves into a hole, usually with credit cards and new vehicles. I have no sympathy.

 
Comment by edward
2009-08-30 18:07:06

I have two career Army friends. One’s a First Sergeant and the other is a Major. They make good money, especially with the housing allowance, children allowance, etc. factored in with their base pay.

They both own homes. Why? I don’t know. Why anyone would buy a home when attached to the U.S. military is beyond me. The Major is moving next month to his new base when he gets back from Iraq. He bought the house just so his wife and kids could be near her family. I have no idea what they will do with an empty house in another state (located out in the middle of nowhere by the way).

My First Sergeant friend bought his home about a year ago. When I asked him what he will do when the Army tells him to move, he said he will just leave his family there while he goes to his new base. What?? Why would anyone leave their family just to own a home. I don’t get it.

 
 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-30 09:50:24

Even a million dollar house - in CA has about a 33k per yr tax, PB with the prop 13 it is 1.6% of sales?

So, even if I am off a bit, a million dollar interest write off is huge. What kind of properties does this include? This law needs fixing fast.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:17:47

“What kind of properties does this include?”

I believe the mortgage interest deduction is limited to owner-occupied housing. That is not to say that some flippers did not lie to qualify… I am guessing that if you felt OK about lying on a liar-loan application, then lying to the IRS would also have not been any big deal?

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Comment by CA renter
2009-08-31 01:41:53

Believe it or not, the MID is not limited to owner-occupied housing, though it absolutely should be.

Also, “investors” can deduct (all?) expenses, including the mortgage interest.

From the IRS:

Qualified Home
For you to take a home mortgage interest deduction, your debt must be secured by a qualified home. This means your main home or your second home. A home includes a house, condominium, cooperative, mobile home, house trailer, boat, or similar property that has sleeping, cooking, and toilet facilities.

The interest you pay on a mortgage on a home other than your main or second home may be deductible if the proceeds of the loan were used for business, investment, or other deductible purposes. Otherwise, it is considered personal interest and is not deductible.

Main home. You can have only one main home at any one time. This is the home where you ordinarily live most of the time.

Second home. A second home is a home that you choose to treat as your second home.

Second home not rented out. If you have a second home that you do not hold out for rent or resale to others at any time during the year, you can treat it as a qualified home. You do not have to use the home during the year.

Second home rented out. If you have a second home and rent it out part of the year, you also must use it as a home during the year for it to be a qualified home. You must use this home more than 14 days or more than 10% of the number of days during the year that the home is rented at a fair rental, whichever is longer. If you do not use the home long enough, it is considered rental property and not a second home. For information on residential rental property, see Publication 527.

More than one second home. If you have more than one second home, you can treat only one as the qualified second home during any year. However, you can change the home you treat as a second home during the year in the following situations.
If you get a new home during the year, you can choose to treat the new home as your second home as of the day you buy it.

If your main home no longer qualifies as your main home, you can choose to treat it as your second home as of the day you stop using it as your main home.

If your second home is sold during the year or becomes your main home, you can choose a new second home as of the day you sell the old one or begin using it as your main home.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p936/ar02.html

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-08-30 11:41:15

But, but,but…aren’t there many “not-rich” folks makin’ less than $75,000 annual household income…that are living in “Homes” “worth” upwards of $500,000+? ;-)

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-30 11:56:08

Aside from that hwy, which was during this bubble.

all things are inflated it seems.

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Comment by scdave
2009-08-30 09:38:26

I think I have expressed my views on this a number of times but here goes again…

IMO, I think its a slam dunk lock that we will see a significant reduction in the mortgage interest deduction cap…I say it will end up around the $300,000. range…That will cover the majority of the housing in this country which will allow the “political cover” to get it passed…The existing homeowners who have mortgages over that limit will get some kind of phased reduction say, 90% the first year, 80% the next and so on so as to not completely undermine the banks (and the market) who have those mortgages…At the same time, I also think we will see a elimination of the 250/500 tax free gain on the sale of your personal residence…Its about raising revenue and they are going to raise it every way they can particularly in ways that you cannot avoid it…Sell your house, pay your tax…

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:22:45

“…I say it will end up around the $300,000. range…That will cover the majority of the housing in this country which will allow the “political cover” to get it passed…”

Why not completely eliminate it? Free money for anyone who buys a house seems more like a private government handout which unfairly benefits people who happen to be wealthy enough to buy homes. But please elucidate me if there is also some public purpose behind the mortgage deduction which I fail to grasp.

Comment by oxide
2009-08-30 16:24:18

The only public purpose is to enourage people to buy a home rather than rent. This encourages community and stability, and better-kept houses.

Of course, no amount of housing incentive will work if people can’t find stable JOBS. If corporations have anything say about it, they would transfer us, shift us, or rank-and-yank us to where we would be best off living in an RV in the parking lot, like that dashing young doctor on Trapper John.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 17:59:58

“This encourages community and stability, and better-kept houses.”

Like these, for instance?

 
Comment by oxide
2009-08-30 18:41:09

My eyes! Oh my eyes! I need cucumbers and a lavender eye mask to recover from that.

No silly, I mean THIS:
http://www.rosschapin.com/Projects/PocketNeighborhoods/UmatillaHill/Umatilla.html

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 21:12:24

I guess we can pick and choose our visuals, but this chart also gets to the consequences of subsidizing home ownership.

 
 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 10:40:10

Since I’m now poor I guess I’ve forgotten my AMT stuff.

What deductions are lost when you have to pay AMT? Is it mortgage interest and/or property tax?

A $1.1 million mortgage balance is gonna be a jumbo, so what’s the lowest jumbo rate? About 6%?

6% of $1.1 million is $66,000 interest.

$1.1 million is 80% of $1.375 million, so at about 1.3% property tax rate is $17,875.

So our hypothetical guy is spending $83,875 on interest and property tax. My guess is that he makes enough money to get himself pushed into AMT land.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-30 11:57:41

Since I’m now poor

We know you aren’t poor.

Pull the other leg!

Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 19:28:37

My adjusted gross income last year (Form 1040 line 37) was $17,849. That sounds pretty poor to me. You try living off that amount.

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Comment by oxide
2009-08-30 16:21:00

I’m reading this differently. I’m reading that one can claim a mortgage interest deduction of 1 million (in interest), NOT the interest on a $1M house. By that reading, it seems that present law only applies to ultra-expensive houses, or to people who own multiple houses.

????

And even if the $1M applies to the price of the house, you still get to deduct the interest on the first million, right?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 18:08:45

The $1.1m referred to the cumulative lifetime tax deductible interest. My mistake.

The $500,000 capital gains exclusion would be added to this, but both of these tax breaks would be multiplied by the owner’s marginal tax rate to determine their value. For instance, someone who maxed out on the two deductions and who would have been taxed at a marginal tax rate of 28 pct, the value of both the mortgage interest deduction and capital gains exclusion would amount to (1,100,000 + 500,000)*28/100 = $448,000 — mere peanuts to a wealthy homeowner.

Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 18:46:55

I think you are both wrong. The limitation on the amount of interest that can be deducted is based on the dollar amount of the loan itself. The rate of interest, or the intrinsic value of the house itself, is immaterial.

A friend spent $3 million on a house in Los Gatos CA, but only took out a first mortgage of $1 million as that’s the limit of the mortgage interest deduction. The rest is “family loans” from his rich family and of course his own personal savings.

I’m not sure where the figure of “$1.1 million” discussed above came from.

Please see IRS publication 936, available here:

www dot irs dot gov/pub/irs-pdf/p936.pdf

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Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-08-30 06:53:43

Rentable housing numbers vex cities

by David Madrid - Aug. 30, 2009 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic .

With mounting foreclosures, investors are snapping up homes and renting them to tenants at bargain rates. But in the long run, the trend could shake the stability of Valley neighborhoods and hurt cities’ efforts to promote homeownership, community leaders warn.

Some cities that have been hit hard by foreclosures are trying to wrap their arms around the problem.

Avondale, which grew rapidly during boom years, now has 46 subdivisions with single-family-home rental rates higher than 20 percent. Almost half of one neighborhood is made up of rental homes.
Local leaders say investors contributed to a housing boom that went bust and, now, are outbidding first-time homebuyers seeking to buy foreclosed properties.

“It’s a vicious cycle, and I don’t know how we get out of it,” said Avondale Vice Mayor Ken Weise.

“At some point, the residents throw up their hands and say, ‘There’s nothing we can do,’ and they look to the city to see if there’s something we can do. The City Council throws up its hands and says, ‘There’s nothing we can do.’ ”

Cities want the stability of homeownership because homeowners have a stake in the community.

Like Avondale, Phoenix is seeing home rentals rising and that’s “somewhat problematic,” said Jerome Miller, the city’s director of the Neighborhood Services Department.

When homeowners buy a property, “it’s their home,” he said. “They’re going to fix it up. They’re going to keep it up. They’re going to paint it when it needs it. It’s a challenging issue with the foreclosures.”

On the other hand, it is better to have renters than a glut of vacant houses. “It’s sort of a catch-22 right now,” Miller said.

Besides, renting can be a pathway to owning a home, and rental homes bring in sales taxes.

Last fiscal year, Avondale collected $909,150 in ongoing taxes and $381,853 in one-time back taxes.

Comment by az_lender
2009-08-30 09:19:38

“rental homes bring in sales taxes”

What, is he saying rental homes are exempt from property taxes? Seems to me most jurisdictions collect MORE prop taxes when a property is not owner-occupied. And, are we tenants exempt from state income taxes? (Joke.)

The “cities’ efforts to promote homeownership” do make sense in a very minor way, but created the HB whose consequences are much worse than a little deferred maintenance.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-30 06:59:37

“There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.”
George Santayana, Soliloquies in England, 1922, “War Shrines”

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-30 07:04:39

For Now, It’s All Yours
The New York Times
August 28, 2009

LESLEY REY was carrying two mortgages when her income from selling airplanes took a dive last fall. She has a one-bedroom apartment on the Upper West Side and a house in Westchester.

“You feel a little defeated by the economy,” she said. “But you have to make sacrifices.”

She couldn’t sell the house in Westchester because she owns it with her sister, and she couldn’t bear to part with her home on the Upper West Side.

“It’s just too perfect,” she said.

At the suggestion of the real estate broker who sold her the apartment, Carol Halt, who now works at Barak Realty, she decided to rent it out. And she decided to leave it furnished.

In this economy, many an apartment has become unaffordable as jobs disappear and income shrinks. But if your home is a place you love too much to sell, the best way to hang on to it may be to entrust it to somebody else for a while.

Leaving the furniture behind can be a good way to make it through tough financial times — the owner doesn’t have to spend money on storage and the tenant does not have to pay for furniture.

According to Halstead Property, the number of furnished apartments in its database — which includes rentals by co-op and condo owners, as well as sublets by other renters — jumped by more than 50 percent from the first six months of 2008 to the same period this year.

“Certainly, part of that increase is due to inventory that was on the market for sale that shifted to the rental market,” said Fritz Frigan, the executive director of sales and leasing at Halstead.

There’s nothing like an economic landslide to help a person move past the disquieting idea of sharing personal belongings with a stranger.

Ms. Rey remembers the January evening when her tenant arrived as an unnerving experience.

“This is really weird!” she recalled saying to the man, whom she had found on Craigslist. “I don’t even know you, and I’m leaving my apartment in your hands.”

The apartment, yes. And also the books, the candles, the rugs, even the standing mixer in the kitchen. “All of that stayed,” she said. “I just took down my photos.”

The arrangement, for $3,000 a month, went well, though Ms. Rey found the month-to-month renewal process frustrating. When her first tenant cleared out in May, friends of her brother signed a one-month lease, and she started looking for her next tenant. She returned to Craigslist for a replacement. This time, her luck was not so good.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-08-30 08:14:06

We, the good renters, seem to be a valuable commodity.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-30 10:00:44

If only they would realize that and charge us less.

Aside from fico’s being important in some ways, for renters, just ask their previous LLs and if possible go look at the place they are moving from. Don’t need no stinking fi co to discern whether or not the tenant is a keeper. In the day…I found that keeping a good tenant was a good lesson, and since, I am surprised at what stupid lls will do.
Condo across the st- empty for 1.9 yr because his 7 yr tenant moved, due to LL wanting to up the rent by 20%. Don’t do that to good tenants. Owner owns several here -free clear save for the $500 HOA monthly.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 09:24:40

her income from selling airplanes took a dive last fall

Boy selling airplanes on commission really sounds like a stable, recession proof job. Didn’t she have “plan B” in place?

Comment by tresho
2009-08-30 11:23:09

Didn’t she have “plan B” in place? Sure, being a landlord.

 
 
Comment by Danger
2009-08-30 11:41:52

“…Carol Halt, who now works at Barak Realty…”

Don’t we all?

Comment by oxide
2009-08-30 16:29:07

+1 good find.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-08-30 16:21:38

At the suggestion of the real estate broker who sold her the apartment, Carol Halt, who now works at Barak Realty, she decided to rent it out.

“At the suggestion of a her realtor” - you know this is going to end badly.

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-08-30 07:10:08

Can’t wait to here the spin from this little segment of the NAR populaiton. Perhaps “Home values are only going down. There’s never been a better time to have a short sale”

NAR certifies agents for short sales, foreclosures, REOs

The National Association of Realtors (NAR) is coming to the rescue of homeowners facing foreclosures or short sales with real estate agents specifically schooled in those subjects.

A new Short Sales and Foreclosure Certification Program (SFR) trains agents on how to manage short-sales, foreclosures, and real-estate owned (REO or bank owned) transactions, and keeps agents current on national and state-specific information and regulations on these issues.

To earn the certification, agents must complete a one-day education program, either in-person or online, as well as in three one-hour Webinars.

Nearly one-third of all existing homes sold recently were either short sales or foreclosures, NAR says.

“Foreclosures and short sales can offer opportunities for home buyers, but it’s extremely important to have the help of a real estate professional … for these kinds of purchases,” said NAR President Charles McMillan.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-30 08:43:11

“…a one day education program…as well as three one hour webinars”

Wow! Doctorate level. (docTOR)

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-08-30 11:29:04

I’m sure the NAR charges their members up the wazoo for the training and certification.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-08-30 16:24:31

BWHAHAHAHAHA!

Can you imagine going to a barber or hair stylist whose claim to “expertise” was a one-day certification program? And yet the gullible public thinks “certified expert” actually means something.

 
 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-08-30 07:16:12

Thinking of investing in the stock market?

Or, thinking of staying as far away as you can?

It’s difficult to buy low and sell high, if you first buy into a 143 multiple on the S & P:

The “rush to junk” is one that I and many other commentators have pointed out on multiple occasions. This isn’t some conspiracy - it is how these sorts of parabolic blow-off movements come. If you think this isn’t a parabolic move, chart the S&P 500’s price .vs. P/E over the last six months and tell me if your opinion changes.

As of July 31st we stand at 143.95 for that ratio, with a new update out in a few days. By any measurement you care to use this is a parabolic move and those always follow the same pattern coming off the base (or bottom):

•First, the strongest firms have a nice, measured, volume-backed move.

•Then their volume and strength on a relative basis starts to weaken. The middle-tier companies get it next, with their volume supporting their advance, dragging the strong firms along (but on flat to declining volume.)

•Finally, the used dogfood firms like Citibank, AIG, Fannie and Freddie “catch the fever” and their volumes spike to three, four, five, ten, even 100 times their normal volume and they take off like a rocket. The “drag along” effect gets weaker and weaker as people start to look at the charts and go “heh, wait a second - that’s a company that’s doubled in three days, represents 10% of the entire NYSE volume, and on any reasonable valuation basis is a zero?
Not long thereafter the move collapses.

(Link): http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-08-30 07:17:48

Here’s a little tidbit for West Central Floridians. Brought to you by the housing bubble, which unleashed the most godawful flood of illegal immigrants on the US, EVER. I once aspired to live in the Dade City area, where these cartel members set up shop. I would have liked to have had that nice little house in the middle of an orange grove, I would have liked to have had a nice little cash crop, except it wouldn’t have been drugs. East Pasco County used to be a charming, quiet, rural area. But now you’ve got to wonder what happens if you have neighbors like these, who operate with impunity.

http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/local/story/Pasco-agents-make-largest-cocaine-bust-in-county/TXsYoC03IEykJTH_feJtdg.cspx

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-30 10:07:27

OMG $50k per guy, someone can surely come up with that amount.
Why aren’t they being kept for at least $250k bail?
Someone will spring them for, what is it 10% of the total, so, $5,ooo per guy and now we have more undocumented.

Good dog Missy. She found this cocaine under 3′ of soil. Good nose,Good girl!

Palmy,”I would have liked to have had that nice little house in the middle of an orange grove, ” Me Too! Went through my stomping grounds and someone has razed all the orchards. It is really sad. ugh.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-30 07:21:41

“Health-care reform is small potatoes. If fiscal conservatives ever hope to regain the high ground in Washington, D.C., they had better start talking about the real crisis … the pending bankruptcy of the entire nation.”

~Frank Miele

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-30 08:53:11

The DC Paradox- People are fiscally conservative only when they’re out of power.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-30 10:19:34

+ a gazillion

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-30 12:23:41

Ain’t that the truth. I’ve been reborn, hallelujah! Amen, brother and sisters amen.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-08-30 10:54:22

It’s amazing ain’t it?…how our National “Domestic” issues have taken over from the Military Industrial Complex notion of: “Shazam-Islam-is-now-Democracy”

TrueDeceiver’s™ (Yellin’/ screamin’/ poundin’):

“Audit the FED”
“Health care reform is Death!”
“Hyperinflation will destroy America!”
“Buy Gold & Commodities”
“Drill Here!… Drill Now!”
“We need a new Power Generating Plant every week…for the next 25 years!”

Here’s our TrueDeceiver’s™ solution to resolve all the above:
“Reduce capital gains!”
“Don’t tax the wealthy!”
“Just no… & pray”

Simple ain’t! :-)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-30 15:22:58
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-30 07:23:12

Rep. Barney Frank told a “town hall” meeting that Rep. Ron Paul’s bill to order an audit of the Federal Reserve for the first time since 1913 would come up for a vote in October. HOWEVER, he also says Paul has backed off on some provisions of the bill and the compromise is not known, yet.

But it’s a start.

Frank’s specific comment may be found 2/3rds of the way into this video clip of the meeting. Fed’l Reserve Audit?

Kudos to Gary North for his column on the Federal Reserve and the Fed audit bill.

“The FED is a legitimate target for people who think the government botches the economy. It is the classic example of the much-praised government-business alliance. It is the consummate model of that alliance. When it fails to achieve its twin official goals of low unemployment and low price inflation, millions of its economic victims will figure out who the culprit is.” End the Fed

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 18:22:59

Why not simply call Bernanke’s bluff and agree from the outset that questions about the conduct of monetary policy are off limits?

* AUGUST 31, 2009

Frank Said to Back Broader Fed Audits

By SUDEEP REDDY

Rep. Ron Paul said he has a commitment from the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, Barney Frank, to advance the Texas Republican’s legislation opening the Federal Reserve to broader federal audits.

In an interview Friday, Mr. Paul said Mr. Frank agreed to allow a vote on the bill and to work on language that would allow the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, to audit the Fed’s monetary-policy operations. While details are unresolved, the discussions increase the likelihood that some version of Mr. Paul’s bill will pass the House.

“Barney told me, ‘It’s going to come. You’re going to get what you want,’ ” Mr. Paul said. “We’re going to have some hearings and we’ll get a vote.”

A spokesman for Mr. Frank said the Massachusetts Democrat shares the goal of increasing transparency at the Fed. But he hasn’t inked specific language and “wants to be sure that some parts of the Fed are adequately protected,” the spokesman said.

In recent months, the Fed has released more information about its lending, though not the identities of individual banks borrowing through its discount window. Mr. Paul said he wants the audits to find out more about the Fed’s dealings with foreign central banks, foreign governments and individual firms. “I want to know who they’re loaning the money to,” he said.

The key unresolved issue is how to avoid the perception that Congress is interfering with Fed independence in making monetary policy. Under current law, the GAO can audit some Fed operations — such as bank regulation and consumer protection — but not its core monetary-policy decisions.

Mr. Frank told a town-hall meeting this month that the measure to audit the Fed would be incorporated into broader financial regulation and “probably” pass the House in October.

“We will subject them to a complete audit,” Mr. Frank said at that meeting. He also said Mr. Paul “agrees that we don’t want to have the audit appear as if it is influencing monetary policy.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 22:20:03

I would think a few questions about which asset prices the Fed targets and how, then a few more about how close working ties between the Fed Chairman and the Treasury Secretary squares with central bank independence from the executive branch would be plenty to tackle, without getting into the finer points of monetary policy.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 18:30:17

My guess: If Congress moves forward with this, the Fed may be tempted to throw a wrench into markets and blame it on Congress.

Congress to debate bill to check Fed’s powers
By Tom Braithwaite in Washington
Published: August 28 2009 20:37 | Last updated: August 28 2009 20:37

The Federal Reserve faces more oversight from the US Congress under a bill that will be voted on before the end of the year, according to leading Democrats.

Ron Paul, the Republican congressman from Texas, has attracted wide bipartisan support for legislation that would give Congress a greater check over the Federal Reserve, the culmination of a 30-year campaign.

Ben Bernanke, chairman of the central bank, has warned that any political interference could shake markets, increase inflation and drive up the cost of servicing US debt for generations to come.

The two points of view had seemed irreconcilable and with more than half of the House of Representatives having lent their support to the bill, Barney Frank, the chairman of the House financial services committee, was under pressure to bring it to the floor.

Mr Frank has now decided to move forward a version of the bill and told his constituents at a recent so-called “town hall” meeting that the House would probably approve legislation in October.

 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-30 07:26:51

My Dear Friends:

dude, Bill, Silver, Prof. B., SanFranGal, Step, Highway, Jane, CarrieAnn( I love that name, Hollies!), Housing.

Even if it sounds stupid, dependant, voyeristic ( Hey Oly, how do you spell Vooooisssstic?).

I love you very much.

LeftLa, that is a hit. Sounds like you are going to be OK. I sure hope so. Clearly, you have the brains/spunk for a best recovery.I wish you the best.

Step, I read the family drug article you wrote. Change a few vowels and consonants (sp?) and you got what I did. 16 years clean, no parades, please.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 07:36:50

“…no parades, please.”

We should have parades for people who kick self-destructive habits. Doing so is a difficult but worthwhile accomplishment.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-08-30 16:00:15

Let’s save the parades for people who have the good sense to avoid self-destructive choices in the first place.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-30 17:29:25

Must be hard to be so perfect Sammy.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-08-30 20:00:36

Avoiding self-destructive choices doesn’t make one perfect. I’ve always had people depending on me to have my head on straight. That doesn’t allow you the luxury of screwing up your life.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 21:28:09

Believe it or not, most people who screw up their lives don’t have the luxury of screwing up their lives. Like the nice LDS family man we know whose wife divorced him because of his drinking habit, for instance. And today, while my wife attended a Sunday school lesson for all the adults in her ward, she noticed the x-wife quietly sobbing while listening to a speaker discuss the problem of porn addiction among church members. My wife inferred that perhaps alcohol was not the guy’s only problem. She scowled at me when I suggested that church people are more prone to porn addiction than other people who don’t go out of their way to demonize porn.

Related example: Baptist ministers who can’t stay out of whore’s dens.

 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-30 18:21:04

Best to let it go, because he is 100% right.

Can’t blame his position.

You are a sweetheart, (@ 600 hundred pounds, warts, or 115 tailor made) that is for sure. :)

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-30 18:05:03

My hat is always off to you.

Well…,maybe! :)

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-30 08:56:53

Hang in there, ATE! Sometimes the $h!t comes down hot-and-heavy, but it always lets up. You can hang with your buds here til it does.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-08-30 10:21:15

Yar. What he said.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-30 12:25:11

Yup. Double ditto to what alpha said.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-30 18:07:27

Thank you alph. And of course SanFanGal, and Oly too. Little diamonds, you are.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-08-30 10:13:38

Congrats on those 16 years! You learn to conquer other things as you realize you have the upper hand on that battle. It’s a perspective you have that most other people do not.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-30 18:09:24

U2 Bill. :)

Really, thank you.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-30 17:29:38

I was thinking of you today, ATE UP, as me and my fam tooled around town. Was psyched to see your lively post!

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-30 18:13:49

That is a compliment from a pretty lady with the prettiest of all possible pretty names, bit Oly’s Shorty is thinking of me too! :)

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 07:34:59

It seems like it would be inherently difficult for the failure of a recently created bank to inflict much harm on the economy. How about a little more scrutiny for the too-big-to-fail 800 lb gorillas who cast hundreds of billions of dollars into the sea, fully and correctly anticipating bailouts to make them whole again? The new startup banks cannot inflict catastrophic damage on the global economy, but Megabank, Inc has amply proven its ability to do so.

FDIC to Ratchet Up Scrutiny of Newly Chartered Banks
They Are Overrepresented in Failures

By Neil Irwin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, August 29, 2009

“Recent experience demonstrates that newly insured institutions pose an elevated risk to the Deposit Insurance Fund, particularly during an economic downturn,” the FDIC said in a letter to banks. Those that have been covered by deposit insurance for less than seven years “are over-represented on the list of institutions that failed during 2008 and 2009, with most of those failures occurring between the fourth and seventh years of operation.”

 
Comment by cougar91
2009-08-30 07:36:47

After Century of Growth, Tide Turns in Florida

NYT
By DAMIEN CAVE
Published: August 29, 2009

HOLLYWOOD, Fla. — The smiling couple barreling ahead on the cover of Liberty magazine in 1926 knew exactly where to go. “Florida or Bust,” said the white paint on the car doors. “Four wheels, no brakes.”

So it has been for a century, as Florida welcomed thousands of newcomers every week, year after year, becoming the nation’s fourth-most-populous state with about 16 million people in 2000.

Imagine the shock, then, to discover that traffic is now heading the other way. That’s right, the Sunshine State is shrinking.

Choked by a record level of foreclosures and unemployment, along with a helping of disillusionment, the state’s population declined by 58,000 people from April 2008 to April 2009, according to the University of Florida’s Bureau of Economic and Business Research. Except for the years around World Wars I and II, it was the state’s first population loss since at least 1900.

“It’s dramatic,” said Stanley K. Smith, an economics professor at the University of Florida who compiled the report. “You have a state that was booming and has been a leader in population growth for the last 100 years that suddenly has seen a substantial shift.”

The loss is more than a data point. Growth gave Florida its notorious flip-flop and flower-print swagger. Life could be carefree under the sun because, as a famous state tourism advertisement put it in 1986, “The rules are different here.”

But what if they are not? Or if those Florida rules — an approach that made growth paramount in the state’s sales pitch, self-image and revenue structure — no longer apply?

“It’s got to be a real psychological blow,” said William H. Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution who predicted that census data in December would confirm the findings. “I don’t know if you can take a whole state to a psychiatrist, but the whole Florida economy was based on migration flows.”

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-30 10:31:25

Smells like low tide. Oh! And look at all the skinnydippers!

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-30 11:59:26

My eyes, my eyes, oh they hurt…stop it

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 14:26:34

Florida is in good company. At least California is getting richer on average, according to the PPIC, and a little less population to move from point A to point B would not hurt overcrowded freeways one bit.

United States
Emigration from California
Go east or north, young man

Aug 27th 2009 | LOS ANGELES
From The Economist print edition
As California’s troubles increase, some neighbours hope for an influx

Would they really rather go to Nevada?

A MONKEY, representing California’s legislature, is sitting on a tree and looking silly. A voice lists the advantages of Nevada—no personal or corporate income tax, lower workers’ compensation insurance, less red tape—and urges Californian business owners to “get the monkey off your back” by moving to Las Vegas. In another television ad, California is a pig, and the voice-over tells entrepreneurs not to be fooled (to quote Sarah Palin) by the lipstick being put on it.

The Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC), a non-partisan think-tank in San Francisco, has examined domestic migration in and out of California, and found that the high personal income taxes that are allegedly driving out the rich cannot be to blame. The poorest Californians, those paying very little in taxes, are the most likely to leave the state: 1.73 households are leaving for every one that arrives. Among the richest, only 1.09 households are leaving for each arrival.

California’s domestic out-migration, moreover, may have a simpler cause than dysfunctional government or high taxes. Houses became much more expensive in California than in the rest of the country during this decade’s housing boom, with the gap growing until early 2007, when most of those emigrating today would have begun to make their plans. Many Californians who already owned homes took their profits and are looking for larger houses in other states, while people in other states were priced out of California. Housing “unaffordability”, says Mr Levy, was and is California’s “principal competitive disadvantage”.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-30 15:17:12

Everyone’s leaving California. Everyone’s leaving Florida.
Oh, no. Where are they going? (It gets cold in Kentucky! We’ll make you squeal like a pig!)

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 07:45:48

Yawn…seems old news never gets old anymore.

Banks slapped again; commercial real estate delinquencies mushroom
By Thomas Olson, TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, August 30, 2009

The subprime mortgage fiasco is being compounded by a newer stress factor at banks these days: Commercial loans, especially for real estate.

Delinquencies on such loans are a hot spot of potential trouble, experts say, because many regional banks hold large numbers of them. The cause is companies that shut down amid the recession, vacating shopping malls and office buildings financed by the loans.

According to Foresight Analytics, a real estate research firm in Oakland, Calif., delinquent payments 30 or more days late reached 4.3 percent during the April-June quarter, the worst since the recession in the early 1990s. An estimated $7 billion of commercial mortgages were in foreclosure last quarter, nearly four times the level in fourth-quarter 2007, when the recession began.

Commercial real estate is the next shoe to drop. The question is, how bad will it get?” said Matt Schultheis, a bank analyst for Boenning & Scattergood, an investment banking firm in West Conshohocken. “We’re still in the early stages of this.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-08-30 08:18:10

“Commercial real estate is the next shoe to drop. The question is, how bad will it get?”

It will be the same playbook. The big banks will get bailed out with hundreds of billions of dollars of fresh capital. The little banks will get seized. The biggest offenders will come out smelling the best. The scum in government will reap huge campaign contributions and huge lobbying and consulting deals when out of office. Same $hit, different Sunday.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-08-30 11:15:17

Well, you wouldn’t want Armageddon now would you. Those are the choices we are being sold: A fat, oblivious, arrogant, happy AIG guy sipping a GreyGoose ‘n tonic annd hi-fiving his Goldman Sachs buddy in the Hamptons OR mass starvation. I’d personally rather starve. At least armageddon offers a little dignity.

Comment by CA renter
2009-08-31 03:42:40

Amen.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-30 15:28:43

Actually we get both eventually.

History of the world right there, NYCityBoy.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-08-30 16:05:53

The scum in government will reap huge campaign contributions and huge lobbying and consulting deals when out of office. Same $hit, different Sunday.

Well said, CityBoy, but you forgot to add, “The Sheeple will curse the government, while failing as always to make the connection between their passivity and voting habits, and the continued corruption and incompetence of our elected officials.”

 
 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-08-30 07:47:23

Like the housing and dotCom bubbles, The Stimulus Bubble (aka uncontrolled Keynesian deficit spending) is another extraordinary popular delusion that will end badly. It’s only a matter of time. Watch and wait.

 
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Comment by scdave
2009-08-30 09:51:06

Niceeeee post wmbz…

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-08-30 10:29:12

Cheney-Shrub: “We want him to succeed as President…we really do!”
Rash Limpbaughs: “I want him to fail!”

Hwy50: “How many “homes” would sell at 14+% mortgage interest rates and at what prices? ;-)

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:25:53

What makes you so sure that Obama is not secretly in favor of truly affordable housing? Isn’t that a goal D-rats generally support?

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-08-30 16:35:39

The only goal either Dems or Republicans truly support is getting re-elected and perpetuating their hold on power and extend their run at the trough. Thanks to Democrat-on-Arrival illegal aliens and the ever-growing expansion of the parasitical classes they pander to, the Democrats from 2012 on can pretty much count on being the permanent party in power, especially since the Republican-in-Name Only (RINO) “opposition” are complicit in all the same scams and bailouts.

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Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2009-08-30 11:29:46

LOL, they have the ‘Suzanne researched this’ excerpt in there.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:29:53

That’s entertaining, but the only problem is that there is no evidence of inflation to be seen. Do these dudes have a special crystal ball that lets them see a future which others cannot?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:31:38

The other part that is shaky is that some of the examples (e.g. “people were allowed to buy houses with no money down…”) are symptoms of deflation already underway. Haven’t these people noticed California housing prices have pretty much collapsed? Or don’t they include that evidence in their “sample”?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:33:47

“…we’ve never had a decline in housing prices on a nationwide basis.”

As they say, there’s a first time for everything.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-30 16:50:18

WHAT?!

Maybe they forgot the Savings and Loan disaster! Seriously, they are either liars or so damned incompetent they should be working at Mickey D’s and that’s being generous!

My personal opinion is that they are both.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 17:52:47

Well, actually, the comment about “never had a decline in housing prices” was TV footage of Ben Bernanke. But perhaps they faked it?

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:39:32

The producers say the bailout policy started in 1989. They ought to study a little history, as it definitely has much deeper historical roots (case in point: Chrysler bailout in early 1980s…).

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:37:52

“The sky is falling!!!!”

Isn’t that the normal argument in favor of passing a bill through Congress?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:43:32

Talk about scare mongering! The Obama-Mugabe connection trumps the stimulus justification by a wide margin…

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:45:16

I finally get it. These guys are gold dealers, plain and simple. It comes out at the end of part 3 of their video.

But again, I appeal to the empirical evidence: If hyperinflation is the game plan, why is the gold price stuck at $950?

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-30 13:52:57

Schiff’s a gold dealer too. And his whole investment strategy is built around dollar collapse. How can he run for Senate when he’s bet against the house?

Hyperinflation is the new red scare.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 14:18:38

“Hyperinflation is the new red scare.”

The attempt to link Obama to Mugabe seems to me like blatant race baiting. How do Bernanke and Geithner fit in with the ‘African currency scare’ tactic?

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-08-30 15:03:56

Hyperinflation is the new red scare.

I thought “Our healthcare is #1! An’ anyone who wantsa change it is a communiss!” was the New Red Scare.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-30 15:28:01

Exactly ET- The reds are everywhere! And they’re Dark red! The extra-scary kind.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-30 15:36:37

“How do Bernanke and Geithner fit in with the ‘African currency scare’ tactic?”

Well, you know those ‘rootless cosmopolitans’ can always be found near a currency manipulation. And they lean red.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 07:51:16

How can you tell whether the housing market has not yet reached a bottom?

For one thing, I see few signs that many of the greatest fools of the housing bubble have yet even left the denial phase of the housing bubble stages of grief yet.

The Bell Tolls for the Housing Crisis
By Chris Jones
August 28, 2009
Motley Fool Stock Advisor

Hal-le-lu-jah!
Hal-le-lu-jah!
Housing mar-ket …
May be stable now …
Let’s all buy lux’ry homes!

I can just hear housing optimists singing this rendition of Handel’s “Messiah” after Toll Brothers CEO Bob Toll’s remarks in recent weeks. Luxury homebuyers are purportedly easing back into the market. With more new deposits, fewer cancellations, and cutbacks on incentives and price reductions, is it possible we’ve already hit bottom? Mr. Toll certainly thinks we have.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-30 08:33:28

I’ve been increasingly aware of the flippers that have come into our area in the last year. I spoke earlier of a 25 year old home that was left to mold & burst pipes. Someone’s been in there replacing the kitchen, flooring and repainting walls. They did an awful lot of work in only a couple of weeks so I’m skeeving out at the thought of lipstick on a pig w/lurking issues.

Poorly maintained historic homes seem to be the regular mark for flippers. I saw a decent number flipped in my last location. I think the reason the market beckons is that there’s increasingly a clash of what was acceptable living conditions between older boomer sellers and the current crop of buyers. The types of jobs new buyers often hold don’t allow much time for Home Depot moments. Many months they’re in Europe, Asia or cross country for several weeks. There’s also the culture in this particular location that that type of ability is below them. So they’ll pay whatever it takes up front for the feeling everything has all been taken care of. After looking at more than a few open houses I’d have to guess most long time owners go on vacation rather than worry about their places deteriorating. When its time to sell, new buyers balk. Properties sit. Flippers are noticing the opportunity. Target homes are in a low inventory price niche. There probably is a window for this activity before they become bag holders. We’ll see what happens as the tax burdens and interest rates start rising.

Have any other upstaters or hbbers in low price housing areas noticed an increase in flipper activity?

Comment by scdave
2009-08-30 09:53:56

noticed an increase in flipper activity ??

Yep…All with a “Home Depot” makeover….

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-30 10:12:16

Carrie, what state are you? I have seen lots of flipping stuff going on, and it surprises me. Older homes, not new-ish ones.
desert valley- coachella-palmsprings here.

Comment by oxide
2009-08-30 16:36:55

Carrie is NY Finger Lakes I believe. It’s where the money goes to play when they have longer than a weekend.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-30 21:45:25

Yup, thanks for filling in in my absence, oxide. I’m outside Syracuse.

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Comment by CA renter
2009-08-31 03:47:33

Tons of flippers in San Diego, unfortunately. :(

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-30 17:01:45

There’s a lot of reasons for flipping older homes. If the flippers are decent, they will fix the worst of the problems. I know the ones we flipped we did exactly that.

If they don’t, a good inspector should find the problems and tell the buyer.

One of the biggest reasons for flipping older homes is cost. They can be bought for cheap and fixed cheap if you don’t over do it. Older homes do NOT need marble counter tops and $1000 dishwashers or $800 toilets. What they usually need are a good cleaning and repair and replacement of only some things. A new water heater is usually mandatory.

Also, don’t be too hard on flippers. These are the folks that can rescue declining neighborhoods. I’ve seen it many times.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-30 17:03:52

I forgot to add that yes, we did see a lot of amateurs get into the game and, just like newbie RE agents, give it a bad name.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-30 21:59:28

I agree eco. The flips I’ve seen recently did the neighbors a favor by taking homes few would touch and making them desirable again. I do have to say, though, my husband used to build and won’t touch an older home for fear of what’s lurking beneath the fix. It sounds like he thinks he’s the only perfectionist that ever lived but in all reality he’s found some pretty crazy things once he’s started digging under the surface. I think wiring is his biggest fear. Come to think of it, the workmen we’ve had to fix things in this rental were reporting that things were pretty nutty and not to code.

 
 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-30 08:52:45

Heather Havrilesky, I just had to put this into out bits bucket today. Heather is writing a piece on two shows that are GOING DOWN IN FLAMES, and these first paragraphs are so great I thought maybe, just maybe she was on the HBB somewhere! The link I will put in later.

Aug. 30, 2009 | Ah, the many joys of Los Angeles in August! What’s more romantic than a freeway of ants running through the kitchen? What’s more exhilarating than thick clouds of brown smoke, billowing in the hills and threatening untold tracts of overpriced, overleveraged real estate below?

It’s hard not to have a kick in your step on a day like today, when it’s 103 degrees outside, the world is in flames, and even the ants are looting, looking to steal the water that the residents of Los Angeles stole from somewhere else, some lusher place where you nonetheless can’t get a spray tan with your morning doughnut.

I wonder if, so many decades ago, the robber barons of Los Angeles paused in their diligent and important work of bloodily oppressing various indigenous and imported brown peoples to gaze across this scrubby desert basin with a sense of awe at what it might one day become: an enormous maze of pavement, thirsty lawns and overvalued stucco. How proud they might be, to see that their selfless efforts to rape the land and disempower the laboring classes have paid off in acre upon acre of foreclosures, punctuated only by auto body shops and shitty Chinese restaurants! Los Angeles, glorious and vast, land of roof rats, home of the Whopper!

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-08-30 10:09:23

“…an enormous maze of pavement, thirsty lawns and overvalued stucco. How proud they might be, to see that their selfless efforts to rape the land and disempower the laboring classes have paid off in acre upon acre of foreclosures, punctuated only by auto body shops and shitty Chinese restaurants! Los Angeles, glorious and vast, land of roof rats, home of the Whopper!”

BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)

Soon to be followed by: :-)

“BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic*” (DennisN™)

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-30 10:14:10

I enjoy her turn of phrase.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-30 12:29:52

She’s on Salon dot com. I like her articles also.

She doesn’t own a house does she?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-30 17:06:49

Having lived in LA, I’d say that’s dead accurate description.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-08-30 18:48:13

HBB? Nah, this is quality snark more on par with Daily *ahem* Kos and/or Free *ahem* Republic, take your pick. :razz:

 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-30 08:55:11

I guess my piece is STUCK?

link to *Going Down In Flames
http://www.salon.com/ent/tv/iltw/2009/08/30/cougar_town/?source=newsletter

Seems the writer just might either read the HBB.
Piece on the 2 shows failing, but the rest is so HBB style.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 10:46:58

That’s my kind of journalism — every sentence is dripping with angry, lusty sarcasm!

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-08-30 12:13:06

“Los Angeles pretends to be a suitable home for several million human beings, when it is, in truth, a horrible sprawling sham packed with overpriced stucco hovels on tiny tracts of land, a gigantic human mistake that demands resources pumped and trucked and shipped in from faraway places”

Uh, that doesn’t sound like sarcasm to me. It sounds more like contempt.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:24:22

Sorry I misspoke. But I still like it.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-30 12:37:44

San Francisco at one time was sand dunes and tidal marshes. From Montgomery Street out to the Embarcadero is land fill.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 12:42:14

“From Montgomery Street out to the Embarcadero is land fill.”

Geophysicists will note the high liquefaction potential of land fill in earthquake zones.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 13:02:08

The Italian restaurant region called “North Beach” has its name for a good reason. It used to be a beach area.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-30 21:47:10

I’ve had a few good meals at North Beach restaurant.

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-08-30 16:41:57

Sounds like the bitterness of someone who’s priced out and pissed off. Doesn’t make it any less true, however.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-30 09:09:54

Trim Tabs announces highest insider selling to insider buying ratio since they began keeping records in 2004.

http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/08-28-2009/0005084471&EDATE=

Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-30 17:07:52

Shocked I tell you. Just shocked.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 17:50:14

Just remember, the stock market always goes up.

 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 09:13:14

There were a lot of “loft” condos built in downtown Boise the last few years. One developer is going to auction off 5 units, apparently with no reserve. He thinks he can get the occupancy up enough to allow subsequent purchasers to qualify for FHA loans.

CitySide Lofts hasn’t sold a unit this yeareither, but Steve Hosac, Bob’s brother and CitySide Lofts’ developer, isn’t waiting. He said he decided to try auctioning five units, with no minimum bid, after seeing a few condoauctions in McCall succeed. . . .

The auction will be held at noon Sept. 12 at CitySide Lofts, 13th and Myrtle streets. If the five go for fair prices, Hosac said he may put up to 20 more on the auction block.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-08-30 11:24:40

If I can find a loft near an indoor pool that is decent for masters swim practice (surprisingly many of them are not) and near good restaurants at $100 per square foot and HOA under $100 per month, I’m interested.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-30 12:02:05

Yea, Bill, whilst looking at expensive open houses etc, I have noticed, most if not all have no room for actually swimming.
Like the entire backyard needs to be pool, concrete and that is all, all shallow, or short. Reminds me of a beau once…

Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 12:41:10

A friend of mine built a “lap pool” which is about 12 feet wide and 90 feet long. IIUC these are becoming more common over the years.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-08-30 15:21:50

90 foot! I’m melting! Guess I have had a thing about pools for decades. I had to dissassemble, clean, and reassemble the pump for the family pool and maintain the chemical balance when I was a teenager.

Upkeep wasn’t so bad, I found out, as long as you are on top of things. My parents paid for the chemicals and parts, so I don’t recall if it cost them an arm and a leg.

These days I prefer OPP (Other Peoples’ Pools) and leave the maintenance and cursing to them. LA Fitness is fine for me.

People still tell me I look athletic. Happened yesterday as I was getting a haircut. This is what eight to ten miles of a good pace can get you - a lean body at age 50.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-08-30 15:24:05

Make that “eight to ten miles of swiming per week.” My manager, age 32, is obese and drinks heavy. Not sure if he will make it to my age.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-08-30 18:54:54

eight to ten miles of a good pace

Oh. You want to swim. For a moment I thought you just wanted a pool so you could gaze at your reflection.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-08-31 03:53:56

:)

 
 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-30 12:07:55

I’ll try to post the link here. Please let me know if it doesn’t show up. ;)

http://www.idahostatesman.com/business/story/881009.html

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 14:15:12

How much of a per diem do US bureaucrats on international travel get these days?

Diplomats Help Boost Rates at World’s Most Expensive Hotels
by Tara Loader Wilkinson
Wednesday, August 26, 2009

Starwood Hotels

The Royal Penthouse Suite at the President Wilson Hotel in Geneva commands $65,000 a night for its four-bedroom penthouse.

Amid the recession, rock stars, diplomats and other celebrities find solace from the doom and gloom by spending their time in sanctuary provided by the world’s most luxurious, and expensive, hotels. While many of us are tightening our belts, shortening our summer holidays or even abandoning them, hoteliers to the rich and famous claim to have no trouble filling their most exclusive accommodations, and in the case of the most expensive suite in the world, managing to double its rate to $65,000 (€45,642) a night.

In an annual survey by Financial News’ sister publication Wealth Bulletin, the Royal Penthouse Suite at the President Wilson Hotel in Geneva, Switzerland, tops the list as the most expensive hotel room in 2009, commanding $65,000 for its four-bedroom penthouse — twice as much as patrons paid a year ago for its luxurious setting and views of Lake Geneva and Mont Blanc.

The hotel’s management puts the rise down to “buoyant demand” from government officials and U.N. diplomats.

 
Comment by neuromance
2009-08-30 17:11:13

Interesting social observation: 60 Minutes tonight had a piece on credit default swaps, and how Congress repealed anti-financial-gaming laws in effect for most of the 20th century, in 2000. The last act of the 2000 Congress actually. They discussed how it helped cause the financial crisis.

So they had a headline for another piece, showcasing elites. My first reaction was, are these more “Wealthy looters in 3-piece suits?” But no, it was about inventors, and a particularly great one in particular (Forrest Byrd). I thought, “Ohhh, elites who actually benefitted society, that’s worth watching.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 18:11:51

Owners of a bubble zone newspaper frequently quoted here file for BK:

* The Wall Street Journal
* AUGUST 31, 2009

Paper Owner Freedom Plans to File For Chapter 11

By PETER LATTMAN and RUSSELL ADAMS

Freedom Communications Inc., the owner of the Orange County Register, is expected to declare bankruptcy this week, according to people familiar with the situation, the latest in a string of Chapter 11 filings in the battered newspaper business.

The company, majority owned for more than 70 years by the Hoiles family, has reached agreements with its lenders to restructure its debts, according to these people.

With annual revenue of about $700 million, Freedom owns the Register and more than 30 other daily papers and eight TV stations. Earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization — a popular measurement for leveraged companies — have declined about 75% over the past five years to about $50 million.

Freedom was founded in the 1930s by R. C. Hoiles, a former printer’s apprentice who used his publications in part to spread his libertarian views. The Orange County Register continues the libertarian approach but, like other newspapers across the country, has had to confront the question of its survival.

“We are continuing to work with our lenders to address our balance sheet,” said a Freedom spokesman.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 18:18:22

* The Wall Street Journal
* AUGUST 31, 2009

Raft of Deals for Failed Banks Puts U.S. on Hook for Billions

By DAMIAN PALETTA

WASHINGTON — The biggest spur to deal-making among banks isn’t private-equity cash or foreign investors. It is the federal government.

To encourage banks to pick through the wreckage of their collapsed competitors, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. has agreed to assume most of the risk on $80 billion in loans and other assets. The agency expects it will eventually have to cover $14 billion in future losses on deals cut so far. The initiative amounts to a subsidy for the banking industry.

See banks, savings banks and thrifts that have failed since the beginning of 2008.

Through more than 50 deals known as “loss shares,” the FDIC has agreed to absorb losses on the detritus of the financial crisis — from loans on two log cabins in the woods of northwestern Illinois to hundreds of millions of dollars in busted condominium loans in Florida. The agency’s total exposure is about six times the amount remaining in its fund that guarantees consumers’ deposits, exposing taxpayers to a big, new risk.

As financial markets heal and the economy appears to be pulling out of recession, the federal government is shifting from crisis to cleanup mode. But as the loss-share deals show, its potential financial burden isn’t receding. So far, the FDIC has paid out $300 million to a handful of banks under the loss-share agreements.

The practice is largely a response to the number of bank failures of the past 18 months, which has stretched the FDIC’s financial and logistical resources. The FDIC had just $10.4 billion in its deposit-insurance fund at the end of June, down from more than $50 billion last year. The agency said Thursday it had 416 banks on its “problem” list at the end of the second quarter, which means the list of banks at a higher risk of insolvency has been growing.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 18:25:05

Noone could have seen it coming!

* The Wall Street Journal
* AUGUST 30, 2009

Lessons of the Financial Crisis — One Year Later

By GREGORY ZUCKERMAN

The numbers hardly tell the story.

Today, the Dow Jones Industrial Average stands roughly 2000 points below where it was on this end-of-summer weekend one year ago. No one knew then, of course, but the U.S. stock market and the world economy were just days from historic calamity, unprecedented in the lives of anyone born in the last 80 years.

And today? We are nearly six months into one of the most impressive bull markets in memory; the Dow has risen 46% since early March. The Nasdaq Composite Index is up 60%.

Go figure. It’s been a year of horrors and opportunities for investors.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-08-30 20:02:55

Maybe our Airhead Pres will see the value in allowing people to choose a more dignified way of dying

like having family members around wishing him well in the next life as he slowly fades out under heavy doses of morphine…like my father did.

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Richard Egan, the billionaire co-founder of EMC Corp. and the former U.S. ambassador to Ireland, died yesterday of a self-inflicted shotgun wound to the head, police and other sources confirmed.

Egan, 73, a resident of the Four Seasons condominiums on Boylston Street, had been battling terminal cancer, sources said. He had a visiting nurse attending to him while he underwent treatments.

Sources said Egan shot and killed himself in a linen closet. His nurse heard the blast and called 911 at 12:32 p.m., sources said.

Egan leaves his wife, Maureen, and five children. The family released a statement last night asking for privacy.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 21:18:57

Party on, Garth! Why wasn’t this guy given some kind of entrepreneurship award instead of jail time for figuring out a fun recreational use for the open space inside upscale vacant homes?

North County Times
Home / News / Local News / San Diego County
REGION: San Marcos man charged with throwing parties in vacant upscale homes

San Marcos man charged with throwing parties in vacant upscale homes

TERI FIGUEROA and CHRIS NICHOLS - tfigueroa@nctimes.com, cnichols@nctimes.com | Posted: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:15 pm

When the market got down, apparently, so did some kids. But the party may be over for a jailed San Marcos man, charged Wednesday with breaking into upscale but empty North County homes to throw large and destructive bashes for profit.

Jovan Peter Araujo, 21, pleaded not guilty to two felony counts each of burglary and vandalism.

Prosecutors suspect he was organizing and promoting blowout bashes, breaking into vacant homes and —- putting the “band” in abandoned? —- threw parties, charging party-goers $5 a head to attend.

Fallbrook Sheriff’s Detective Jeff Lauhon said Araujo and friends allegedly scouted secluded million-dollar homes that were either for sale or in foreclosure. Sometimes, they simply watched for hours to see if anyone entered or exited the homes, he said.

They’d go out and find houses that were vacant, no neighbors, long driveways —- you know, ideal party houses,” Lauhon said.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 21:35:43

To save LA the trouble of going to Hell, it seems Hell has come to call on LA.

Los Angeles fire worsens, 10,000 homes threatened

A wildfire in the heavily populated foothills of Los Angeles surged north overnight, forcing more evacuations and threatening 10,000 homes.

Published: 9:57PM BST 30 Aug 2009

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 21:46:30

Japan Credit Swaps to Rise After Election Fever, Barclays Says
By Katrina Nicholas

Aug. 31 (Bloomberg) — Japanese credit-default swap prices will rise once the novelty of the Democratic Party of Japan’s election victory wears off and attention turns back to the economy, according to Barclays Plc.

Credit-default swaps in Japan should “trend tighter briefly, but that won’t be sustainable,” Jun Anno, a Tokyo- based trader at Barclays, said in a phone interview today. “The fundamentals in Japan are still poor.”

The Markit iTraxx Japan index of credit swaps fell 3 basis points to 157.5 basis points as of 9:55 a.m. in Tokyo, Barclays prices show. The bond risk benchmark rose to as much as 565.4 basis points on March 12, according to CMA DataVision.

The DPJ, which wrested power from the Liberal Democratic Party for the first time yesterday, inherits record unemployment and accelerating deflation in a nation emerging from its deepest postwar recession. Factory output rose at the slowest pace in four months in July and retail sales fell, Japan’s Trade Ministry said today. Government data last week showed that household spending fell at the fastest pace in five months.

The yield on 10-year government bonds fell 1.5 basis points to 1.295 percent as of the 11:05 a.m. morning close in Tokyo at Japan Bond Trading Co., the nation’s largest interdealer broker.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 21:58:01

The hungry wolves are licking their chops looking over the sick herd of sheep. Soon the hunt will culminate in a bloody massacre of the sheep.

New York Times
Editorial
New Rules for Private Equity
Article Tools Sponsored By
Published: August 30, 2009

When a bank fails, the preferred course of action by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation is to sell it, quickly, to a healthy bank. That protects the insurance fund and, by extension, taxpayers, because a sale is considerably less costly than liquidation. But with several hundred banks poised for failure in the months to come, there may not be enough ready buyers to clear out the anticipated inventory.

This is the crunch moment for which private equity firms have been waiting. The firms have long styled themselves as saviors, able and willing to spend billions of dollars to buy failed banks. The problem is, they are not banks and their partners don’t act or think like traditional bankers; they have thin track records running banks, and they do not want to be regulated as banks.

They are private firms, whose partners and investors have thrived on high-flying and highly leveraged deal-making. Many have amassed great wealth, but too often, they have reaped big gains while saddling their acquisitions with debilitating debt. Normally, private equity firms would not be anyone’s first choice to run a bank. But they have a lot of money and the government is going to have a lot of banks to sell.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 21:59:32

Asian share prices are dropping yet again. Luckily we have decoupling, and besides, the US stock market always goes up. Look for a blistering rally tomorrow.

Aug 31, 2009, 12:20 a.m. EST
Asian Shares Fall; Japan Erases Rise,China Mkt Drops

By Colin Ng

(Adds information, quotes, updates/adds market levels)

SINGAPORE (MarketWatch) — Asian stock markets fell Monday, retracing early gains, with Japanese shares sinking after initial euphoria over the opposition’s election victory and China’s stock markets sharply lower as an upcoming share offering spurred concerns over increased supply.

“Tokyo reacted to the change in government with a big spike up before the reality of their economic situation started to bite,” said Macquarie Private Wealth Associate Director David Halliday.

Japan’s Nikkei 225 was down 0.1% after initially rising more than 2.0% to its highest intraday level for this year. The early gains were fueled by the Democratic Party of Japan win’s of more than 300 of the 480 seats in the Lower House on Sunday, pushing out the Liberal Democratic Party after 54 years of nearly uninterrupted rule.

The election outcome also pushed the Japanese yen sharply higher.

“The questions that linger now is if the DPJ could deliver their lofty election promises and what the results mean for Japan’s policies, including foreign relations and foreign exchange policies,” said UBS analysts in a note.

Shares in China dropped sharply, with the Shanghai Composite trading down 5.4%, as Metallurgical Corp. of China’s share offer aggravated supply concerns and as talk of a slowdown in lending growth continued to weigh on sentiment.

The declines on the mainland weighed on regional stock markets, with Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index shedding 2.1%.

“On one hand, new share supply is hanging over the (Shanghai) market, while on the other, liquidity isn’t that supportive as new loan growth may decline further in August,” said Wang Junqing at Guosen Securities.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-30 22:13:33

Once again, America can be thankful their economy is decoupled from those of countries way far around on the other side of the planet.

Economic Report

Aug 31, 2009, 12:39 a.m. EST
Australian corporate profits take surprisingly heavy fall
By V. Phani Kumar, MarketWatch

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — Profits for Australian companies declined in the quarter ended June 30 from the previous three months, as businesses struggled to cope with the effects of the global economic slowdown.

Gross operating profits for Australian corporations dropped a seasonally-adjusted 7.8% during the April-to-June period, data released by the Australian Bureau of Statistics showed Monday. Economists had expected a seasonally-adjusted fall of 5%, according to economists polled by Reuters.

The data also showed that stock inventories at Australian companies dropped by 3.4% after adjusting for seasonal factors, while wages and salaries slipped 1.1%.

In foreign exchange trade, the Australian dollar weakened to 83.92 U.S. cents in midday Asian trade, down from 84.14 cents late Friday in New York.

The weaker-than-expected profit results came a day before the Reserve Bank of Australia’s board met to decide on interest rates, with economists widely expecting the central bank to leave its benchmark interest rate unchanged at 3%.

Varahabhotla Phani Kumar is a reporter in MarketWatch’s Hong Kong bureau.

 
 
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