August 31, 2009

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Comment by jeff saturday
2009-08-31 03:40:23

Comment by jeff saturday
2009-08-28 03:17:18
Is Joe Biden on the board of directors of FPL?

FPL: Rate increase will save customers money in the long run
By Dara Kam
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, August 26, 2009

TALLAHASSEE — The CEO of the state’s largest utility wrapped up three days of testimony on a proposed $1.3 billion a year rate hike insisting that residential electricity rates will go down.

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Comment by packman
2009-08-28 06:38:57
Wow - how Orwellian can you get?

(P.S. - I just *love* that word. Somehow it seems so… apropos… these days.)

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Comment by jeff saturday
2009-08-28 17:57:38
FPL
“a proposed $1.3 billion a year rate hike insisting that residential electricity rates will go down.”

Joe Biden
“Well, people when I say that look at me and say, ‘What are you talking about? You’re telling me we have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt?’” Biden said. “The answer is yes, I’m telling you.”

P.S. Both of these statements seem Pinocchian to me.
“( I just *love* that word. Somehow it seems so… apropos… these days.)”

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-31 04:10:55

It’s High Time to Ruffle a Few Billion Feathers: William Pesek

Aug. 31 (Bloomberg) — The old adage “you can’t judge a book by its cover” doesn’t apply to Stephen Roach’s “The Next Asia.”

It bears a photo of the interior of the Grand Hyatt Shanghai. For anyone who’s been there, it screams of vertigo. You walk out of your hotel room on say, the 85th floor, and you’re confronted with a circular 33-story atrium that seems as much optical illusion as architectural masterpiece.

It’s an apt metaphor for the dizzying experience that lies ahead for Asia — one fleshed out with great nuance by Roach, Morgan Stanley’s Hong Kong-based Asia chairman.

This column isn’t a book review. Yet Roach is sure to do something we need more of in Asia: Ruffle the feathers of a few billion people. The conventional wisdom that the 21st Century belongs to the fastest-growing region isn’t wrong. Just have no illusions that it’s a given. Asia will need to work hard at it.

For Asia’s billions, inertia is not an option as the fallout from the global crisis spreads. The hope is that China’s 7.9 percent growth will remove the need to retool economies. Or that President Barack Obama’s stimulus efforts will soon put U.S. consumers back in shopping-binge mode. Don’t bet on it.

Asia isn’t doing remotely enough to achieve better economic balance. China is a case in point, and an important one; it may just prove to be a microcosm of what Asia will experience in the years ahead.

Global Crisis

Here, Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao’s “four uns” are worth considering. Two years ago, Wen pointed out that Asia’s second- biggest economy was increasingly “unbalanced, unstable, uncoordinated and unsustainable.” The crisis oozing around the globe was a mere glimmer in the eyes of Asian officials in March 2007 when Wen made that comment.

And yet here we are: The U.S., Japan and Europe are limping along. The developing world didn’t really plan for such a scenario. Its powerful snapback from the 1997 Asian crisis was largely thanks to a U.S. consumer flush from rapid growth and roaring asset values. Asia exported its way to returning growth and never looked back.

No such locomotive exists today. Hence the roughly $2.2 trillion of stimulus governments have poured into the global financial system. It will only go so far, though. The canard that Asia had decoupled from the U.S. is dying a hard death as governments brace for an extended period of U.S. thrift.

Good Luck

By Roach’s calculations, Americans account for about 4.5 percent of the world’s population and its consumers spent about $10 trillion in 2008. China and India, which account for roughly 40 percent of the world’s population, consumed about $2.5 trillion. Good luck living without the U.S.

Comment by palmetto
2009-08-31 04:20:18

“No such locomotive exists today. Hence the roughly $2.2 trillion of stimulus governments have poured into the global financial system. It will only go so far, though.”

Oh, so THAT’s why all this stimulus. No wonder Timmay is all nervous and jerky about keeping his Chinese clients happy.

“China and India, which account for roughly 40 percent of the world’s population, consumed about $2.5 trillion. Good luck living without the U.S.”

Globalization, we hardly knew ye.

Time for a little “protectionism”, Ecuador-style.

Comment by palmetto
2009-08-31 04:31:20

BTW, the President of Ecuador is a US-educated economist. Now, what class did he take that our eCONomists missed?

Comment by palmetto
2009-08-31 04:50:57
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Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-08-31 05:20:54

The one that said that you really, really should not take money from NarcoTerrorists (FARC) for your politcal campaign?

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-31 14:48:44

Heck, EVERYONE missed that class. :lol:

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 07:56:08

Better question: Which class did he fail? (My hunch: Game theory)

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-08-31 09:17:50

Hey pardner, becareful with that word “protectionism.” Them thar fighting words which will lead to war, according to some of our posters.

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-08-31 11:28:16

Interesting you should bring that up just as I was reading this piece on my “other” favorite site:

mises dot org/story/3677

It’s long, but here’s a choice quote:

“It is not the case that demographic groups are inherently in conflict; the illusion is created by the absence of what Hoppe calls “clean capitalism”, in which all relationships in society are characterized by voluntary exchange and association.”

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-31 14:19:32

“It is not the case that demographic groups are inherently in conflict; the illusion is created by the absence of what Hoppe calls “clean capitalism”, in which all relationships in society are characterized by voluntary exchange and association.”

Operative word= VOLUNTARY.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-08-31 14:56:40

More like a fantasy word.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-31 04:12:42

Auction in CNY:

If the comments following this story w/photos are to be believed this “mansion” which last sold for $822,500 was auctioned off yesterday for $622k. It’s taxes for 2009 were $44,677.48 according to the county’s website. But that includes an unpaid school tax bill of $22230. (The county website makes the posted comment of $51400 inaccurate).

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/08/manlius_mansion_auctioned_mond.html

Here’s a local back story on the house. Funny, not many auctions get this much media attention:

http://blog.syracuse.com/east/2009/08/bids_on_manlius_mansion_will_s.html

I know a bit about this stretch of town. Like the defaulting Utah based owner of this particular piece of property many home owners count their CNY home as one of several pieces of propety and often do not spend all that much time in the area. In the past 5 years it had quite a jump in new building compared to the historical norm.

Comment by In Montana
2009-08-31 05:43:02

Mansions are overrated.

Comment by Tim
2009-08-31 06:46:23

Do just being grotesquely large qualify? My apartment has nicer finishes than that thing in the pics.

Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2009-08-31 07:07:52

The only room that looks halfway cheerful is the kitchen. I’d need anti-depressants to go into the other rooms. Why would I want my surroundings to look like the year 1890?

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Comment by scdave
2009-08-31 08:24:37

In agree…It looks very dated to me…Just big, thats all…

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-31 07:15:05

Perhaps when you have several properties, those updates don’t feel as imperative. I was a bit stunned at how vanilla and outdated the inside shots were too. In fact I’m still shaking my head that someone, at auction no less, paid $622k. They could buy something similar in surrounding towns for much, much less and they’d be in better shape.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2009-08-31 07:49:20

OOPS the auction is Today…..somebody was joking 622K…

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Bidding starts at $1 Monday for a 6,108-square-foot mansion at 8401 Brae Leure Road in Manlius that was worth was worth $822,500 in 2003.

 
Comment by Claire
2009-08-31 09:40:03

That’s a pretty darned nice house compared to the McCr*p Shacks they are trying to sell in California for similar or more money!

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-31 10:16:39

OMG, dj, you’re right. I only read up to the open house part in the caption and started skimming the rest. Then I fell victim to the goofball Syracusedotcom posters comments. Thanks for pointing out my error. I guess I’ll have to provide a followup when it becomes posted.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-08-31 14:04:45

Clarie, yes, it probably much nicer than what $622K will buy in California. But $622K can buy something better in CNY.

The problem with this house is that the ceilings are too low for the big rooms. Very low and dark, which is why it looks like colonial America. I think the kitchen is gross, btw. And this house has only 4 bed 4.5 bath in over 6000 sq ft. Bad overall design.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-08-31 14:46:39

will it even get $300K? I wonder how many shills are in the audience?

You know a shill bidder won if the house comes back to auction due to some mystical financing problem

 
 
 
 
Comment by CincyDad
2009-08-31 07:55:28

The word on this house that I’m getting thru my Syracuse grape-vine is this…

The house was started by a builder many years ago as a project and then left un-completed for several years (a friend of mine looke in the windows at this time to see the spiral staircase lying on the floor - another friend toured the house at this point w/ realtor and decided it was too much money to finish, givein the price the builder wanted. Said Realtor apparently told friends after their decision that the builder was a slimy, untrustworthy person that the friends did not want to deal with him).

Eventually it must have been bought by Grimaldi and finished. One of my friends toured the gardens on a ‘garden tour’ and it had a lovely tennis court, swimming pool (this is Syracuse, remember!) and a lovely garden and shed designed by Terri Ettinger (local garden expert for the area, real great guy).

Apparently Grimaldi then sold the house to someone else and held the mortgage himself. The new buyers eventually defaulted on the mortgage so Grimaldi got it back. Now he’s trying to get rid of it.

At least that’s what my sources are say.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-31 10:57:47

That poor property’s had quite the history, huh?

Thanks for filling in the builder info.

Do you know Salt Spring Road that well? Brae Leur is right off of McClenthan which is off Salt Springs. Further east on Salt Springs, is a former children’s summer camp called Skyridge. The previous owner recently passed away. They are trying to move that place for a $1.5mm commercial or residential.
The main building and pool are located on a ridge w/killer views, its got, I think, 30 acres, the golf area, tennis courts and a huge pool. The house needs a total makeover but it would be quite the gem of a property if someone picked that up as a SFH. You can probably still search for the ad on Craigslist.

 
Comment by SUGuy
2009-08-31 19:54:23

We looked at bidding on this house. We toured it twice. The auctioneer Jim told me this house will sell as it has a low reserve. The problem with this property is the wet basement. The house has a very large basement (about 10 feet in height). It gets flooded quiet easily. The cinder block walls are leaking on all sides. The water table is high and the water comes up from the floor. There is an incredible amount of toxic mold. This house needs to be gutted. The bath rooms are ugly and dated. The carpets need to be changed. The swimming pool liner was recent replace with cheap quality. The kitchen floors as well as the counter tops need to be updated. The biggest problem is that the water issues can not be resolved quiet easily.

The back yard is nice with fruit trees and the tennis court is a plus. Gramaldi owes about 157K in back taxes. The house is set to be auctioned off on October 8th 2009 by the county if the back taxes are not paid. So I think the owner should be very motivated to sell

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-31 04:20:21

Why not just raise taxes on the rich and big business? Along with increasing the size of gubmint, I thought that’s how you ‘fix’ things. Oh wait that only works for the federal gubmint, of course they get to print money also.

Detroit’s financial crisis comes to a head as city tries to solve the $300 million question.
MLive.com
Sunday August 30, 2009

As the bills stack higher and the revenue stream runs slower, all eyes remain on Mayor Dave Bing as he continues to navigate the city of Detroit through a treacherous financial situation.

Bankruptcy has been the key term floating around. Critics say it’s the only salvation for the city’s crumbled finances, while Bing has maintained that the city of Detroit will not pursue that option unless more drastic changes are put into effect.

The city faces a $300 million deficit, mostly because of a decrease in property and income taxes, plus the cost to run city services and pay city workers.

Last week, the city suffered a blow when Moody’s Investor Services dropped Detroit’s bond rating to below junk status.

“Because our city faces one of the worst financial, educational and social crises of the past century, the time for pseudo-leadership has passed. Gone must be the days of rhetoric without action, style without substance and promises with no potential. Too many elected officials have drastically failed to do so, and now we are forced to deal with the consequences and clean up the mess. Yet, no one wants to admit it, ” Bing wrote in an editorial in Sunday’s Detroit News.

“City Council members refuse to support this administration’s changes to a budget that they approved, but do not reflect today’s financial reality…Union officials have spent more time fueling the fears of their members and citizens than they have at the negotiation table trying to find a solution consistent with the financial realities…More citizens have turned out to oppose proposed bus route changes than they have to decry the violence that holds our community hostage,” Bing continues.

Bing has come under much opposition for his decision to lay off 205 city workers last week and his proposals to cut bus service on Sundays and reduce it on Saturdays. The layoffs are expected to save $10 million, but that’s only a drop in the bucket.

“The mayor has absolutely no control over some of the decisions that were made by his predecessors,” Harris said. “But he doesn’t have time to rethink how the city is run. He’s going to run out of money before he has time to implement any efficiencies.

“I don’t see the city getting out of this financial mess short of a bankruptcy.”

Comment by michael
2009-08-31 06:55:33

michigan adopted a new tax model for companies doing business in MI…starting in 2008.

they went from a modified income tax computation to a tax based on gross receipts. my company has several different businesses in MI.

the taxes have gone from around 25K a year to 50 or 60K a year. some of the joint ventures are losing money hand over fist…and their taxes went up.

we want be putting anymore facilities in MI…that’s for sure.

Comment by scdave
2009-08-31 08:31:15

they went from a modified income tax computation to a tax based on gross receipts ??

Exactly what the Fed’s will do with the VAT IMO…
Income taxes can be manipulated and distorted in ways that are very hard to track…Gross receipts, its much harder particularly when there is a paper trail…Get used to it…Thats where we are headed I believe…

Comment by yensoy
2009-08-31 10:20:54

That would kill capital intensive, high raw-material cost industry, like automobiles. It would be great for services and s/w but MI has none of those.

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Comment by james
2009-08-31 09:54:39

Michigan is still in a deflationary death spiral. The liberal whores are throwing out the last few wails before they pass.

Recovery is possible after the welfare leaching progressives move on to the next state with a generous welfare policy.

Probably show up here in California and suck the system down faster.

Anyhow, the progressives plan seems to be: reward sloth and tax the productive.

 
 
Comment by technovelist
2009-08-31 12:56:56

As the bills stack higher and the revenue stream runs slower, all eyes remain on Mayor Dave Bing as he continues to navigate the city of Detroit through a treacherous financial situation.

Sounds like Detroit has a great fiscal opportunity. They should rename the city “Bing” and work out a tie-in with Microsoft’s search engine of the same name!

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2009-08-31 04:33:33

In the War on Savers department, news reports are pointing out a likelihood that the amount you can put into a 401K next year will probably be smaller than this year’s $16,500, since the limit is inflation-adjusted. (Unlike Soc Sec payments, which by law cannot decrease even in the face of deflation.)

OTOH the deflation that brings about this likely result is itself a victory for savers.

Comment by DinOR
2009-08-31 07:01:08

az_lender,

Did you have any particular citations on the change in contribution levels? This is the first I’ve heard of it. I also wonder if they’ll reinstate the option on the RMD’s as well?

Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2009-08-31 07:12:23

That link was on Yahoo finance. I think the article inferred that the 2010 401k limit will be $16,000, just like the 2009 limit. Hence no inflation adjustment to what you can save. If Congress does not allow the rules to sunset, the 401k limit would be $16,500 in 2010.

I was expecting the contribution limits to go back to what they were in the year 2001. So this is not as bad as I thought.

I’m one 50 year old taking advantage of the catch-up 401k.

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-31 10:11:14

not infer, imply

pardon my pedantry

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Comment by palmetto
2009-08-31 04:35:14

Geez, come on boyzn’girlz, get out there and CONSUME, already. Take one for Timmay, so’s he can save face in Beijing. We don’t want a bunch of Chinese students laughing at one of the finest financial minds the US has ever produced?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-31 06:53:21

He’s going there again??? Geez, who’s your daddy, TTT?

 
Comment by michael
2009-08-31 06:58:42

you make more money if you don’t pay your taxes…that’s genius.

 
Comment by wolfgirl
2009-08-31 12:28:11

There’s nothing I want to consume.

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-08-31 04:44:34

Cock-a-doodle-DOOOO!!!

Man is my sleep ever messed up these past two nights. I’m going to go with minimal sleep today, then I’ll be nice and tired and crash early tonight to get back into rhythm.

I was just reading ProfessorBear’s, I mean MisoR’s thread from yesterday, particularly the part about noisy roosters, and was reminded of my short-lived ownership of a pet rooster.

Several years ago, a woman I worked with was complaining that one of her roosters, the most beautiful of all of her birds (her selling point in hindsight), was picking on the hens, creating all sorts of disturbances. She needed to find him a new home. So, loving animals as I do, I decided to try him out. Boy was that ever a mistake. The very first morning, I shot out of bed like a rocket, somewhere around 4:00, due to one of the most obnoxious, premature cock-a-doodle-doo’s imaginable. My first thought was “I need to shut this thing up NOW because the neighbors are going to KILL me.” Having not been raised on a farm, I naively thought that one cock-a-doodle-do would suffice. Not a chance. This SOB was going off, one after another, after another. He was like a baritone, too. I was outside in the dark in my underwear under hushed breath- “hey, shut up, quit that!”. I’d turn my back, and out would come another. And another. “You better quit that, I mean it! Here, have some chicken scratch! Knock it off!” Nothing worked. It was awful.

If that wasn’t enough, the next day I decided to try to introduce my dog to him. Boy was I dumb. My dog froze, motionless, his eyes glazed over, hair standing up, then took off after that rooster like he was shot out of a cannon. Lunchtime. “NOOOOOOOO!!!” I screamed. He had the thing cornered in the laurel hedge next door in an awful ruckus. It took me nearly an hour to extract that thing from the hedge. He had gone from a potentially beloved pet to my next meal in record time. I spent the next hour studying how to butcher him. After settling down and a change of heart, I found him a nice home on Vashon Island instead. Good riddance!

Comment by In Montana
2009-08-31 05:48:14

hey they all start crowing early like that, before it’s light even. When I first moved out to El Monte (LA area) it was still rural and there were horsies and chickens across the street circa 1960. And yeah that first night was terrible. But it became suburban pretty quickly after that. Don’t know what’s worse.

Comment by Stpn2me
2009-08-31 06:46:53

under hushed breath- “hey, shut up, quit that!”.

LOL, like the bird understood! LOL

I had a white Leggon when I was about 11 that I Called “John”…Well one day John spurred my grandmother in the leg…. We had some REALLY good chicken that night…

 
Comment by Peter a
2009-08-31 09:13:02

I will take the rooster over the 2006 civic getto’ed out with the 4 12inch subs booming up and down the street at 2 oclockin the morning .

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-08-31 09:30:39

If the rooster gets going in the wee hours of the morning, you may reconsider that statement.

Oh, and for those of you who are bedeviled by boom cars like the one described above, here’s what to do: Get a license number and description of the vehicle, then call 911.

Why? Because the loud stereo system is a disturbance of the peace. And, furthermore, the operators of such vehicles are, shall we say, more than likely to be involved in criminal activity. And that isn’t just me talking. That’s from a U.S. Department of Justice report. If you want the link, I’ll be glad to post it.

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Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-08-31 09:37:47

“I will take the rooster over the 2006 civic getto’ed out with the 4 12inch subs booming up and down the street at 2 oclockin the morning .”

Ahhh, now you’re talkin MY hood ;)

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Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-08-31 06:40:50

My friend has a similar story. His parents got one, then the neighborhood association complained, then they ate it. He tells this story as we’re at a Chicken processing plant on the eastern shore of Virginia (slaughterhouse) after talking me into doing a little IT work there for some extra cash. “They wouldn’t actually have computers outside of the business office, all those industrial controls systems have to be separate.” There are computers everywhere at the place. It was interesting, and I left hungry for chicken (seriously). For a minute the line kill counters freaked me out but that didn’t last long.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-31 07:05:52

Grizzly,

Your stories made a good chucklle for the morning. When we were on the farm, the chickens and rooster stayed in the barn until after we’d had breakfast. He crowed alright but we only heard him if we were already awake the older building was so well insulated. Only woke us up a couple of times.

I didn’t think much of the birds myself until the day my dog ran into the barn and decided she was going to check out them ther’ chickens. Yeah…that rooster went nuts. He ran out in front of his girls, thrust out the full expanse of his wings and squawked in that dog’s face so loudly the dog didn’t dare cross his path. I pulled my pet out of there but then watched incredulously as the rooster went on to strut for about 20 minutes with his back feathers all up. He paced back and forth w/intense staccato clucks as if to say, “How dare that thing threaten my girls! The nerve of those dogs! I’ll show her if she dares to show her mug in here again!” I fell in love with that rooster’s spunk that day as my dog is 85 pounds and all muscle.

Comment by In Montana
2009-08-31 10:25:01

I remember staying at the old Red Lion in Pasadena, Calif, while standing on the balcony noticed the muffled sound of roosters crowing in someone’s garage nearby. I don’t think they were legal..

Comment by rms
2009-08-31 11:29:06

That’s both funny and sad.

Pasadena is a nice place with plenty of well established tree-lined streets, and easy proximity to downtown LA too. I prefer the coastal areas where the summer temperatures are cooler, but Pasadena is a keeper if one has a good paying job nearby.

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Comment by In Montana
2009-08-31 13:24:42

Yes I lived there a while and attended PCC in fits and starts. It used to be pretty nice but I hated the way they plowed the Glendale Freeway through there and Eagle Rock. Feh.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Crash and Burn
2009-08-31 09:09:17

Many years ago I was involved with my neighbors over a dispute over a loan I made them. They put their house up for sale and left Maui. I knew that they were going to try to stiff me. Enter the roosters.

Their big house overlooked my back yard. I took and bent roofing iron into shelters and put them all over my yard. Then I borrowed two fighting roosters and tied them up next to the shelters. About once a week I would move them around.

I saw at least 10 couples come up to look at the house. Pattern was the same. Tour the house, out to the deck, heated conversation with realtor and bye bye.

After three months of no sale they contacted me, borrowed the money and paid me off. The only reason I was paid off was nobody wanted a bird farm in their view plane. And I still have the rooster. He now roams free inpregnation any hen he can find. As I write this he sits in my pepper tree crowing his fool head off.

Comment by Kim
2009-08-31 11:15:59

Ha! That’s pretty clever. Glad to hear you got paid back.

 
Comment by sfbubblebuyer
2009-08-31 11:56:23

Awesome! But how’d you go from two roosters to one? Delish?

Comment by Crash and Burn
2009-08-31 23:42:49

These are fighting cocks. At best, if not tied up at all times, they will scrap. Sometimes they will drive off a rival. In this case Big Bird killed his competition.

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-31 14:30:24

I learned that lesson to from neighbors. Not only did they have a rooster, (and I too thought they crowed 1x at the sight of daylight- what did we read as children?- oh yea fairy tales) but they also had that horrible Outdoor light that glows on every damn thing in the neighborhood. As a child I had to get black out curtains to sleep after that installation AND the rooster. Fortunately they eventually ate the rooster. They couldn’t sleep either.

 
 
Comment by salinasron
2009-08-31 04:47:49

More green shoots:

“USA TODAY examined gambling data in seven states and found penny slot revenue soaring everywhere. National numbers are not available.

Las Vegas was slow to pick up on the trend to penny slots, but it has jumped on board, too. In the past two years, Nevada casinos have added more than 7,000 penny slot machines and removed 12,000 machines that require bigger bets.

Revenue from every form of gambling has fallen in Nevada during the recession — except penny slots. Penny slot revenue was up 3% in the year ending June 30. “

Comment by palmetto
2009-08-31 04:55:56

Well, thank Jeebus they didn’t do away with the penny, eh? Would have been a real tragedy.

Comment by oxide
2009-08-31 05:20:34

Do they even use pennies in penny slots anymore? While I was visiting New Orleans, I went into Harrah’s intending to get rid of a few pennies that were weighing down my purse. Turns out, you can’t just put a penny in the slot. You have to buy a card and put money on that. I said Forget It, too much effort to lose 12¢ or so, and walked out.

Comment by lavi d
2009-08-31 08:36:16

Do they even use pennies in penny slots anymore?

Nowadays, with video slots, you put in dollars or tickets. The ‘penny’ designation just means you can slice your bet down to the penny.

Most people I’ve ever seen using the things, end up betting dollars or close to a dollar on every throw anyway.

I occasionally play video blackjack and it is my goal to drink for free.

If I get my $20 back after a Sapphire martini and a couple of Heinekens, I’m thrilled.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-31 06:47:16

Ummm, I think that’s pretty deflationary. And it reeks to high heaven of desperation. Man, the sheep are ripe for fleecing right now!

Comment by DinOR
2009-08-31 07:06:37

Trust me, you can burn thru as much overall cash feeding a penny slot as you can any other. I thought most of the modern machines could adjust the denomination w/ the flip of a switch?

Anecdotally we had to stop by the “Outlet Stores” on Sunday to pick up for my niece’s son’s 4th Birthday and it was totally packed! I mean you couldn’t find a parking place at all. We finally opted to have my youngest daughter just drop off the gifts to us curbside and get out while we still could!

Traffic in the Portland Metro area seemed much heavier tha usual also.

Comment by DennisN
2009-08-31 08:00:38

DinOR,

Your email never came through. Try contacting me via flufferdoodle at/ hotmail dot/ com.

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-08-31 09:21:42

Flufferdoodle?

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-31 09:25:51

That’s what I was thinking. Is that your cat’s name, Dennis?

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-31 09:46:25

Sadly, a late cat. :(

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-31 09:58:58

:-(

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-31 14:32:16

Lets have a moment of silence for the late and loved
Flufferdoodle.

There!

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-31 18:54:35

He was a wonderful orange Maine Coon tomcat. His personality was so mellow and friendly - I guess you can afford that if you are by far the biggest cat in the ‘hood.

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-08-31 08:03:37

Same here. Outlet stores nearby were jammed packed with mostly younger folks on a rainy Saturday. Difficult time finding a parking spot.

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Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-31 14:33:23

PAY DAY… Come on you guys. PAY DAY..
30th 15th.. won’t see them ‘cept on Saturdays getting weeks worth of groceries.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-08-31 05:33:35

Just got back from a family reunion on the outer banks of N.C. A fair number of the Ginormous vaction homes there are for sale. Judging from the flyers the wishing prices are around a million dollars, more or less. For houses that generate ~66k in rental income per annum. On a pile of sand that WANTS to move when there is a major storm. In what crazy world does THAT make any sense?

Comment by Jim A.
2009-08-31 07:27:13

N.B. And the majority of the houses had enclosed a portion of the first floor, which is a Federal Flood Insurance No-No. Good luck getting THAT rule enforced AFTER a major storm.

 
 
Comment by eastcoaster
2009-08-31 05:38:38

From last night:

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-30 21:41:10

eastcoaster, do you go by that handle on fb?

No - I use my name. I’m part of the “Friends of the Housing Bubble Blog” group on FB. You can find me there if you want to (read the few comments posted on the group wall).

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-08-31 05:59:12

I didn’t know you guys had that on FB. Unfortuanately, I haven’t had time to sign up, but this brings up something. I’ve been getting a bunch of requests to pass on HBBers email addresses. It’s hard for me to track those down and keep up. Maybe FB has a better way of doing that securely?

Comment by eastcoaster
2009-08-31 06:08:24

I think it makes sense to use the FB group as sort of a directory of HBBers, and they can contact each other directly from there (you can send anyone a message via FB without giving out your email address). There are only about 12 members right now.

You can also make a searchable name on FB without it being your display name (for example I use my maiden name on FB, but am searchable by my ex-married - and still legal - name). Maybe I’ll add a search for eastcoaster, too.

Comment by michael
2009-08-31 07:04:00

hmmm…been thinking of picking a handle for HBB insead of using my actual name.

what do yall think of WeJamEcono?

Any Minutemen fans out there?

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Comment by WeJamEcono
2009-08-31 07:15:10

test

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-31 14:42:44

I think I just broke it.

I joined and it broke. NO page found…boohoo.

Hopefully I will see the team and all later today when it reappears.

 
 
 
Comment by lavi d
2009-08-31 09:05:27

I didn’t know you guys had that on FB

There’s a F*cked Borrower’s site?

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-08-31 06:21:52

I was confusted at first because I assumed that FB was a blog about F’ed Borrowers….

Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-08-31 06:44:01

I brought my handle here from F’ed C… I think pud lost all the data from that site, at least that was the rumor I heard :-( Could I be a perma-doom-and-gloomer? Hmmm.

Comment by Stpn2me
2009-08-31 06:51:08

What is FB?

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Comment by rms
2009-08-31 07:04:39

Silly leg, face book!

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-08-31 07:25:11

OR F’ed Borrower!

 
 
 
 
Comment by packman
2009-08-31 20:51:20

Novice Facebook user here - how do you find the “Friends of the Housing Bubble Blog” group? I just signed up, since it does seem like a good way for us to interact. I tried doing searches for that text, or portions of it, on Facebook, but nothing came up.

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Comment by eastcoaster
2009-08-31 06:16:52

I want to go back to the discussion about Charles Hugh Smith’s chart this morning. Assuming values do drop back to 1994 levels, my assumption is that would mean 1994 levels adjusted for normal inflation (3% ?). So, assuming a house sold for $100,000 in 1994 it could be reasonable to expect to see it sell for $180,000 20 years later in 2014. I mean we’re not talking about seeing the value drop back to $100,000, right? I’m not sure what the expectations are since palmetto was saying his insurance agent is saying places he’s interested in will likely be $30,000 - $50,000.

Comment by Jim A.
2009-08-31 06:34:35

I don’t think that yearprice adjusted by CPI will do much good. After all, the prices of clothing, movie tickets and the rest of the basket of goods has little effect on land prices. The problem is that the degree of overbuilding varries considerably in different areas and market segments. IMHO you really need to look at the equivant rent/wages ratio. Equivalant rent because that adjusts more quickly to the supply of housing that house prices, and wages because THAT’S a good indication of the money available to PAY the mortgage.

Unfortunately these numbers are more difficult to come up with, especially since just looking at the medians isn’t a great indicator, unless you want to buy a median house. If you want a modest house, you’ll have to look at what modest people can afford. If you want a fancy house, you’ll have to see what the well off can afford, although there may not be sufficient housing stock for rent at upper price levels to get a good indication of supply.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2009-08-31 06:37:08

It seems everyone is always so interested in what the bottom median will be. I mentioned years ago that in Texas, we never knew that because so many deals are done off the MLS. We would hear that some guy walked into a bank with 15 grand and walked out with a house that had sold for $150k. It may have been that the bank needed to make payroll that week, who knows?

All I can say is that it is possible to leap-frog the decline. One doesn’t have to pay “the going rate”. To heck with that. These lenders know where this is headed, probably better than anyone. Personally, I don’t plan on competing with knifecatchers, (but I am more interested in commercial property). And renting suits me fine. Landlords are subsidizing renters in my area and will be for a long time.

Plus, rents are declining and who can say how long that will go on?

Comment by DinOR
2009-08-31 06:59:09

“possible to leap-frog the decline”

Ben, agreed. Of course ‘my’ druthers would have been that none of this would’ve occured in the ‘first’ place but..? Since we didn’t have any control of that either, the only thing each of us here can hope to accomplish is to get decent deals for ‘ourselves’.

I’ve given up on worrying for the broader public and I just don’t think it’s possible to; “Manage the Median” so why pull your hair out over it?

 
Comment by scdave
2009-08-31 08:41:04

(but I am more interested in commercial property)

??

Care to expand on that a little bit Ben ??

Comment by bink
2009-08-31 10:18:07

The “Ben Jones Tower” has a nice ring to it.

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Comment by james
2009-08-31 10:04:34

Seems like they could have a betting line on this in Vegas.

Bet the case-shiller reports? Do the teaser line on all 20 metros?

Does the bet get cancelled if an emergency 30K tax credit is started?

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-08-31 10:23:01

So far it looks like CRE has been slower to start it’s decline, but now that it’s started, the decline looks steeper.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-31 14:47:38

Speaking of rents…Lease is up EOY. Rental agency handles condo for estate. New nasty agent works there. How would you guys go about getting request for substantial reduction , and getting a good result?

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-09-01 07:02:11

How about would you like me to stay and sign a new lease?

Then look around at how rental prices have really dropped, and you will know the right number to put on the new lease.

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Comment by Bad Chile
2009-08-31 06:18:09

Had the pleasure of attending an opening house yesterday with Mrs. Chile, Mini-Chile, and my parents. They were in town from the Southwest visiting the grandkid and they wanted to see what a $430k house (last sale was $440k in 2005) in the Boston metro area got you.

I think they were shocked at how critical Mrs. Chile and I were about the faults of the house. It was in move-in condition for the most part. But our faults were deal killers, and my parents, haven consumed the Kool-aide, couldn’t figure out why we were balking at spending $430k on a 120 year old house. We summarized it this way: $269 a squre foot is a bunch of money for an energy monster decaying house in a decaying New England town.

Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-08-31 06:48:11

Hi there.
Where are you looking? I have been to a couple of houses, and even though they are at 2003 levels, they are still way over priced for what they are.
I have found that the houses with the least desirable conditions, are the ones that are on the market. I take a look at a house, and like some of the features of it, and then when I look at the map, it is in the ghetto, or close to the train tracks, or just behind a massive industrial complex… Or the ones that I see the most are McMansions stuck underneath a bridge (Why even build a lussury house under a bridge? Maybe channeling some long dead Hobo?)
I have made a conscious decision that maybe MA is really not for me, not with all the issues that it has. My commute in a month or so will make more sense from NH, than from MA, so I might start looking there after the little one is born. For now, I am staying put in my ghetto rental, and wait it out.

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-08-31 07:27:04

This particular house was in Melrose. And you’re absolutely right about there is always something wrong - located on a major road, small yard, structural problems, bad school system. We’re not seriously looking anymore - we got over that in 2005. We’ve been casual lookers since that time, going to open houses just to get a feel for things and learn more about the housing stock and what we like and dislike.

This one had a shared driveway with a 1890-era one car garage and parking for one car blocking the garage. No other parking, and Melrose prohibits overnight street parking. Add in the complexity of shared driveways and snow removal and it is a deal killer. Very small yard and an apartment complex of unknown quality backing up to that yard and the only potential buyers are first-time buyers that haven’t done their homework.

But fun to look and laugh. Becuase what else can you do?

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-31 14:51:18

Or the ones that I see the most are McMansions stuck underneath a bridge

cheapest land so “nice” house has to be the lure.

GOOD LUCK on the new upcoming PENNY! A bright shiny penny!

 
 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-08-31 06:50:29

Is Boston really decaying? It’s got decent schools, supposedly has “creative class” folks there?

There has been some drama here in Norfolk VA over bars and I noticed in some of the comments people were saying that 5 years ago it looked like things were changing and they got better in the nightlife. Middle class young professionals and what not, but now they seem to have left. The comments made me think. Perhaps they were really just real estate agents, who knows the back story. But there are quite a few for rent signs around the area. It’s funny to see the large commercial apartment buildings begging for tenants on craigslist.

Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-08-31 06:58:22

The problem in MA is called Government run amock.
The MA legislature is second only to Rhode Island in terms of corruption. Towns are no better for the most part. Educacion is spotty. You really need to know what school district your kid is going to, hence the exhorbitant cost in some places.
Roads are falling apart for the most part, and services are not the best.
What makes MA interesting for the time being are the Universities that are here, but young professionals are not staying long, as they want to buy a house, and that is nearly imposible in MA. Add a high taxation base (just upped the sales tax to 6.25 from 5, and added a sales tax to Beer and Wine, that used to be taxed at the distributor level), and life here has become far more expensive than what it is worth.
MA will be going the way of California in not the too far future in my opinion, as a lot of what got Cali in hot water, is also being done here in MA.

Comment by cougar91
2009-08-31 07:28:43

MA got nothing, and I mean nothing, on NJ in terms of corruption.
We are run by the Sopranos.

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Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-08-31 07:31:19

You guys get the italian mafia…
We get the Irish mob… The Bulger brothers anybody? Whitey’s brother has a nice comfy pension from the Umass system in the 6 digits… For life!

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-31 08:10:17

I don’t think NY is any more innocent. Is there any possibility corruption is ubiquitous in the American landscape?

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-08-31 08:17:29

“Whitey’s brother has a nice comfy pension from the Umass system in the 6 digits… For life!”

You can thank Mitt for that fiasco. Appears Mitt is banking away a fair amount of political capital in preparation for another possible run at the presidency.

 
Comment by Kim
2009-08-31 08:23:45

“MA got nothing, and I mean nothing, on NJ in terms of corruption.”

And NJ has nothing on Illinois.

 
Comment by james
2009-08-31 11:38:43

Having lived in Califonia, Michigan, Carolinas, PA and NJ;

I’d say NJ is by far and away the most corrupt. The legislature in NJ didn’t even think “conflict of interests” when awarding contracts of government money to businesses they owned. Nor of employing their kids at made up jobs at 6 figure salaries.

Not to mention all the out and out fraud that goes on. And its way beyond the Italians. Plenty of jewish mob, Irish mob exc. Not to mention what ever the heck goes on in Southern Jersey outside of AC. I’m talking pine barrens and southern counties have all that good ole boy network that puts Alabama to shame.

Detroit was pretty corrupt but things weren’t as bad out of the city.

I don’t know about Illinois/Chicago. Pretty bad from what we’ve seen. I think in Jersey, they’ve given up on conflicts of interest. They only focus on out and out fraud and bribery.

Still remembering the prosecutor that killed himself in Vegas. Dude was faking up charges against people for bribes for years and years. They didn’t bother to go after all the clear state police involved either. Conspiracy involved probably dozens of officers and PDs too.

Also remembering my management professor getting arrested on bribery charges, also a city councilman. Would talk about doing bid review on his own bids.

Ahhhh, good times. So, glad that guy ended up doing 10yrs and lost his dang money.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2009-08-31 08:45:20

high taxation base (just upped the sales tax to 6.25 from 5 ??

Hell…Thats a bargain…

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-31 11:08:54

8%, baybee!

Been that way for a while. Can’t wait to see what it’ll be going up to with the $30 bil state deficit. County’s already been making rumbles over its part. Guess we’ll find out at the end of October….oh, whenever they finally agree and approve a budget.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-31 14:54:21

8.75% and rising?

 
 
Comment by patient renter
2009-08-31 14:56:27

I was reading your comments about the high taxates thinking i’d take 6% sales tax any day! CA is practically on the verge of creating a Department of Shakedowns for all of the taxation and fees we have here.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-08-31 07:19:16

VaBeyatch,

Also surprising how quickly the “creative class” morphed into the “I no longer give-a-sh!t class”?

Many of the high-rise projects in Portland are now going to auction and/or becoming rentals. So… I guess we can drop the whole “upscale” facade?

Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-08-31 07:51:50

Maybe in Portland :-) We’ve got some 1000+ apartments coming online in Norfolk. Studio for $1200/mo, 2 bedroom for $1700/mo. Median household incomes below $50K. No new job prospects really. No idea what they were thinking, but some of them are renting (Corporate lease, etc).

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Comment by DinOR
2009-08-31 08:07:13

VaBeyatch,

You wouldn’t believe out over supply! It’s just staggering. And now it’s become an embarrassment. It’s so obvious ( as Ben mentioned in the American Visionaries Series ) that so much of this was all built on the faulty notion we’d ALL own multiple homes!

But there’s not much any of us can do about vacant dwellings. What concerns me is the almost instant abandonment of caring. People that were so STOKED just 2 years ago now drive around acting like they’re just waiting for their prison sentence to begin.

When my daughter and SIL were “all about” moving up the Property Ladder, they couldn’t get -enough- home improvement action. Ahem, just this past weekend ( and I’m absolutely exhausted ) they finally… finished their house painting!

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-31 14:56:01

Studio for $1200/mo, 2 bedroom for $1700/mo.

That is STILL to expensive for average gross salary of 50k.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-31 08:14:27

Also surprising how quickly the “creative class” morphed into the “I no longer give-a-sh!t class”?

Laughed and then cynically smirked thinking no, they’re now the “beaten down” class.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2009-08-31 08:47:52

Was there REALLY an “upscale” class anyway?

Or was it all based on the WOW i can get a mortgage for that much?

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Comment by scdave
2009-08-31 08:48:51

how quickly the “creative class” morphed into the “I no longer give-a-sh!t class”?

+ 1 DinOr

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 06:38:28

MOM always said “There was never a blade of grass in my yard since you and Gary and the rest of you played and played”. Yep, we did that.

Weights, pool, ping-pong, baseball, baseball, baseball ! :) basketball, football, boxing, motorcycle racing, go-karts, mini-bikes, getting drunk, rebuilding, (or destroying), car/motorcycle engines, chasing girls, listening to Dark Side of the Moon for the FIRST time, (imagine, if you will), on his, (and my) only time doing acid ever (it was blotter), and being best friends.

Cathy, a lovely lady friend of mine called to say Gary passed around midnite.

Those who know the story, thank you from the bottom of my heart for your kind words. It meant more to me than you will know.

Sincerely,

Greg

Comment by Stpn2me
2009-08-31 06:55:23

Ate,

Sorry about your loss, Man….I’ll be thinking about you….

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 07:03:10

Step, you are my friend, and a class act. Thanks buddy.

 
 
Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-08-31 07:04:06

Really sorry to hear that… Friends are chosen, not forced, and that makes a world of difference. Hope that all the good things are never forgotten.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 07:09:26

Pinch:

“Friends are chosen, not forced, and that makes a world of difference” .

Those are the most profound words I have heard in a long time. You entered a new paradigm into my head. Never thought about it before. Never.

Thank you Pinch-a-penny

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-08-31 07:08:18

Very sorry to hear that, ATE. The friends you grew up with are the hardest to lose. Remember the good times.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 07:10:30

Thank you alph. We’ll kid around again here soon! You are a great guy, and very smart too!

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-08-31 08:18:55

My heart goes out to you, ATE-UP. I recently lost a childhood friend who also was my best friend’s older brother.

(As an adult, this guy was a roofer. Fell through a skylight in Wilmington, DE last September.)

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 13:25:02

Thank you Slim.

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Comment by cougar91
2009-08-31 07:26:59

My condolences. RIP Gary.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 07:34:21

Thank you cougar.

 
 
Comment by Bad Chile
2009-08-31 07:41:57

Sorry to hear, ATE.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 07:53:50

Thank you Chile. It is all about Lil’ Chili anyway, you know? Life is death too.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 07:52:44

Peace to you and your loved ones — cherish the memories.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 07:54:57

Thank you Professor Bear. I have found all of your words to be of wisdom.

Comment by scdave
2009-08-31 09:02:04

Hang in there Ate…

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 13:26:28

scdave: Thank you. I may repeat myself a little here, but my heart needs you guys right now. Thank you.

 
Comment by scdave
2009-08-31 14:43:23

Ate…I lost my best childhood friend when we were both 27 to cancer..He was scheduled to be my first born’s godfather. I half carried him into Stanford Hospital for the last time 30 years ago…It is a painful journey but time does heal…

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 16:01:20

scdave: see how good of a person you are.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 16:25:40

That says a lot.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-31 18:21:24

I want to get in the group support hug for Ate too, but my previous post is in the hinterlands.

Big supportive hug, Ate.

testing!

 
 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-31 07:59:12

Sorry for your loss ATE. For lots of different reasons some people lose track of their childhood friends. You had a real gift to still have that lovely relationship intact. I’m sorry that ended too soon. I’ll bet you’ll feel his influence for the rest of your life and hopefully that will be a comfort to you.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 13:30:38

Hey CarrieAnn, (pretty girl with a pretty name) thank you.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-31 08:25:06

Sorry for your loss.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 13:32:14

Thank you wmbz. Your posts have taught me a lot here, but I think what I learned the most is, how high quality the people are here.

 
 
Comment by wolfgirl
2009-08-31 08:34:16

It always hurts to lose a friend. There’s just not enough of them in this world.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 13:34:21

wolfgirl: Thank you so much. You are a neat person, and I always wondered what a “wolfgirl looked like”, but, who cares, you are pretty anyway!!!

 
 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-31 09:18:50

Sorry, Ate. Thanks for sharing your memories. I hope that you’ll have a chance to gather with others sharing the loss, that makes it easier.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 14:01:11

Thank you hip, I don’t forget this stuff. There are some great people here, and all I can say is God Bless Them All.

 
 
Comment by lavi d
2009-08-31 10:00:15

You have my sincere condolences, ATE.

Comment by Kim
2009-08-31 11:19:50

Mine too, ATE.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 13:47:32

Kim: Thank you so much. You guys really don’t know what it means. My friends know how crazy I am (was), how “tough” I can be, and also how sensitive my heart is, (off drugs). They are keeping an eye on me, and I am OK, thanks to you guys.

P.S. I am not tough.

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 13:50:18

Thanks to you guys and my friends here. You know, I may be a piece of poop, but for some reason, I always find quality friends, and for some other reason, they always stay my friend. Mascot gig goin’ on?? :)

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 13:57:52

What I just said is stupid, and I am going to shut up. It has been a trying time for sure though, ThanK You to everone who have been kind. I do really appreciate it. (Is there a word higher than that without looking like a nut)?

 
 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 13:35:40

Thank you lavi. I always read your words carefully. I am in the big leagues here, and I am also with friends. :)

 
 
Comment by rms
2009-08-31 11:32:12

“…(it was blotter)…”

Homer Simpson?

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 13:37:34

No, actually, it was a green spot like an M&M size,on about ten hits just like, it, if I remember correctly.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 13:44:31

Homer wasn’t invented yet rms!!!!

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-08-31 15:07:29

Hey Ate,

The loss of a best friend doesn’t pass. Lucky to have had a true friend of course, but still…

I spread the ashes of my best friend on the lake here on the full moon of October. I am fortunate to have had such a friend. We’ll toast one to you and Gary next month on the full moon.

Skye

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 15:48:07

I came back because threads get old, and I did not want to
miss a Thank You. Blue, your words are very helpful to me, and again, the quality people here, you know?

 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-31 15:10:44

Sorry for you loss. Take even better care of yourself now through the loss.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-08-31 15:52:28

desert, you are cool and I appreciate your advice.

 
 
Comment by jane
2009-08-31 22:10:16

Ate, you’ve lost a part of your history. You will have to carry on and make your own. My sincere condolences to you.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-01 01:51:57

Thank you jane, and I guess you’re right. A part of a person’s history…

 
 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-08-31 06:57:45

Aug. 31 (Bloomberg) — Just as global trade starts to recover, the shipping market is crashing for the second time in a year as China reduces raw-material imports and record numbers of new vessels set sail.

The rate for leasing capesize ships, boats three times the size of the Statue of Liberty, will drop about 50 percent from the current price of $37,865 a day to as low as $18,000 before the end of the year, according to the median in a Bloomberg survey of six analysts and fund managers.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 08:33:50

The thing about epic crashes which many may not grasp: They generation high-amplitude, long-period waves which threaten to periodically roil the surface of the global economy for years hence.

Look at a chart of movements on the DJIA from the 1930s and you may gain insight. I am sure some will offer reassurances that it is different this time, but I am withholding judgment until I see the evidence.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 08:36:00

generation generate

 
Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-08-31 09:55:04

A very apt analogy. Waves of that sort lurk unnoticed in the open ocean untill they run up against a shoal and then…Tsunami!

The solvency crisis and mountains of debt sure do present plenty of opportunities to raise that wave.

Anyone familiar with Katsushika Hokusai?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 09:58:01

Beware of “sleeper waves”…

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Comment by hip in zilker
2009-08-31 10:05:47

Anyone familiar with Katsushika Hokusai?

I didn’t remember the name, so I googled to check if you were alluding to the image of “Mount Fuji Seen Below a Wave at Kanagawa.” Yep.

Love it. I’ve used UNICEF note cards with that image and had it hanging on my wall on and off for years.

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Comment by larenter
2009-08-31 23:13:52

yes, the iconic tsunami image with mt fuji in the background — one of my favorites

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Comment by mrktMaven
2009-08-31 13:45:53

Been looking at that together with popular media reports stoking the herd.

IN reading the history of nations we find that like individuals they have their whims and their peculiarities their seasons of excitement and recklessness when they care not what they do. We find that whole communities suddenly fix their minds upon one object and go mad in its pursuit that millions of people become simultaneously impressed with one delusion and run after it till their attention is caught by some new folly more captivating than the first.

Extraordinary popular delusions vol. 1

 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-08-31 07:34:03

Here’s an interesting story about local attitudes towards having to take pay cuts to get back into the workforce. The findings beg the question - what role do house prices/mortgage payments play in forming people’s attitudes towards their compensation?

Looking for a salary to fit a lifestyle, rather than fitting a lifestyle to a salary?

Linky:

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=35292

Comment by Kim
2009-08-31 11:29:05

“Amid the worst Chicago employment market in 26 years, a surprising number of job seekers are unwilling to take significant pay cuts, according to a new survey.”

Why be in a hurry to take any old job, when unemployment compensation lasts a whole year and there is the possibility of extension beyond that? Change that to six months max and you’ll change attitudes.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-08-31 12:21:36

Unemployment insurance itself is a big pay cut for most people.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-31 07:42:49

“ “Lower-income households can’t borrow, and higher-income households no longer feel wealthy. There’s still a lot of debt out there. It throws a pall over the potential for a strong recovery. The economy is going to struggle.” ~Mark Zandi

Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-31 08:01:43

Is the groupthink still referred to as “animal spirits” when the sentiment is to go whimpering into a corner?

Comment by cobaltblue
2009-08-31 09:52:45

“Is the groupthink still referred to as “animal spirits” when the sentiment is to go whimpering into a corner?”

Now wait a second. The economic pump monkeys as in MSNBC, the NYTimes, and Timmay don’t want you bringing this up.

Like every other part of their basically flawed economic theories, it can’t deal with real-time events.

You’re just supposed to cheer the Long-Legged MacDaddy as he turns out his cadres of Marxist and National Socialist “progressive” eggheads on the economy.

Use Bill Maher as your ideal paradigm O-Bot.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-31 11:30:57

“Use Bill Maher as your ideal paradigm O-Bot.”

“Animal spirits” is the term John Maynard Keynes used in his 1936 book The General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money to describe emotion or affect which influences human behavior and can be measured in terms of consumer confidence. Trust is also included or produced by “animal spirits”. … (wikipedia)

I was only asking if the term was applicable to the negative mob behavior as well as positive.

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Comment by scdave
2009-08-31 09:06:23

higher-income households no longer feel wealthy ??

Yep…And this part of the economic recovery equation does get factored in nearly enough IMO…

Comment by scdave
2009-08-31 10:21:56

Does get = does not get

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 07:45:57

Who moved my decoupling?

NY Times
U.S. Follows Shanghai Lower
By MARK McDONALD and JACK HEALY
Published: August 31, 2009

Losses in China’s main stock-market index sparked a sell-off in markets from Asia to Europe to Wall Street on Monday, as traders worried that a worldwide rally in stocks this summer had flown too high, too fast.

The Dow Jones industrial average fell about 95 points or 1 percent in early trading, and the broader Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index slid 1.2 percent. The Nasdaq was off about 1.4 percent.

Financial, energy and industrial companies, which have surged in the last five months as the recession lost force, were leading the markets lower.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 07:50:21

Last fall, Wall Street’s crash generated the big tsunami waves that rippled through the global economy. Is it China’s turn to generate the impulse now?

China Stocks ‘In Deep Bubble,’ May Drop 25%, Xie Says (Update2)
By Erik Schatzker and Allen Wan

Aug. 31 (Bloomberg) — China’s economy isn’t “sustainable” and the benchmark Shanghai Composite Index may fall another 25 percent, former Morgan Stanley Asian economist Andy Xie said in an interview.

“The market is in deep bubble territory,” Xie, who correctly predicted in April 2007 that China’s equities would tumble, told Bloomberg Television.

The Shanghai index plunged 6.7 percent to 2,667.75 today, the most since June 2008 and entering a bear market, on concern a slowdown in lending growth may derail a recovery in the world’s third-largest economy. Xie said the index “should be 2000 or less.”

The Shanghai gauge slumped 22 percent this month, the worst performer among 89 benchmark indexes tracked by Bloomberg, as banks reined in lending to avert asset bubbles and policy makers advised industries such as steel and cement to curb overcapacity. The decline stopped a rally that had sent the measure up 103 percent from a November low on prospects the government’s 4 trillion yuan ($586 billion) stimulus program and a record amount of new credit would ensure the economy grows at least 8 percent this year.

“The local market bears are convinced that tightening is already underway,” said Howard Wang, head of the Greater China team at JF Asset Management, which oversees $50 billion. Only “a very strong set of macro numbers in August” or “stronger statements from central authorities” would change this trend, Wang said.

Global Tumble

The tumble in China stocks send the MSCI World Index of 23 developed nations down 1 percent at 10:17 a.m. New York time. The Bank of New York Mellon China ADR Index, tracking American depositary receipts, lost 2.6 percent, led by commodity producers.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 12:13:23

BusinessWeek
Market Snapshot August 31, 2009, 2:25PM
U.S. Stocks Remain Solidly Lower
Indexes sagged Monday in sympathy with markets worldwide after China’s benchmark index tumbled 6.7%
Investing

U.S. stocks remained sharply lower Monday afternoon, on track to close out an otherwise strong August on a down note. Weakness in equity markets worldwide was paced by a 6.7% plunge in the Shanghai composite index on worries a lending slowdown by the Chinese government might derail economic recovery. A better than expected report on the Chicago Fed’s manufacturing index — and merger news involving a number of high-profile companies — appeared to have little impact.

Trading was slow amid reports mutual funds were dumping retailer issues, says S&P MarketScope. Basic materials, oil and gas, and industrial issues were lower.

On Monday at 2:21 p.m. ET, the 30-stock Dow Jones industrial average was lower by 82.83 points, or 0.87%, at 9,461.37. The broad Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index was down 11.54 points, or 1.12%, at 1,017.39. The tech-heavy Nasdaq composite index lost 27.19 points, or 1.34%, to 2,001.58.

Treasuries were higher. Gold and oil futures were lower even though the U.S. dollar index was falling.

The rout in Shanghai was triggered by renewed worries banks will cut back on the lavish lending that spurred frenzied gains until earlier this month, reports the Associated Press. The benchmark Shanghai Composite Index lost 192.94 points Monday to 2,667.75, its lowest close in more than three months. The Shenzhen Composite Index of China’s second, smaller exchange tumbled 7.2 percent to 904.14.

 
 
Comment by Pinch-a-penny
2009-08-31 07:51:35

The law of unintended consequences…
I wonder how much of this “blackballing” has to do with certain companies bail outs through BK?, and the inherent change in how those 2 bankrupcies were handled, by changing the way that the creditors were paid?
http://money.cnn.com/2009/08/31/smallbusiness/auto_dealers_sba_loans.smb/index.htm?postversion=2009083104

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-31 08:01:44

Small business losing billions in federal work
Dallas Business Journal

In the next 90 days, the Obama administration hopes to cure a problem that has festered for years: the failure of federal agencies to award small businesses their fair share of government contracts.

In fiscal 2008, only 21.5% of federal prime contracting dollars went to small businesses — well below the government’s 23% goal. Failing to hit this goal cost small businesses more than $6.5 billion in federal contracts.

The U.S. Small Business Administration’s definition of small business varies by industry, but in most cases covers companies with no more than $7 million in annual revenue.

As of Aug. 21, only 21.4% of contracts funded through this year’s American Recovery and Reinvestment Act had gone to small businesses.

Helping small businesses win more of these economic stimulus contracts is the immediate focus of the Obama administration’s 90-day push, but officials hope it also will have a lasting impact on other types of contracts.

Government agencies will host events around the country to provide information on contracting opportunities. Employees at the SBA and the Minority Business Development Agency will meet with procurement officials as well as small businesses in hopes of matching agency needs with the products and services provided by small companies.

The effort is designed to ensure that the government meets its 23% small-business procurement goal, with a special emphasis on increasing contracting to businesses owned by minorities, women and service-disabled veterans, said Joe Jordan, the SBA’s associate administrator for government contracting and business development.

“From the president on down, this is a top priority,” Jordan said.
Is Obama’s push just PR?

Small-business advocates welcome the Obama administration’s focus on improving the contracting numbers. But some fear the 90-day initiative is just a public relations campaign.

“The issue is not outreach,” said Raul Espinosa, who runs the FitNet Purchasing Alliance in Jacksonville, Fla., and heads the Fairness in Procurement Alliance. “The issue actually deals with changing the culture that exists.”

Many procurement officials prefer dealing with large government contractors instead of small companies. There are few consequences for missing small-business goals other than a bad grade for an agency on the SBA’s annual procurement scorecard.

“The SBA is not listened to,” Espinosa said.

Enforcement of contracting goals — not expanded outreach to small businesses — is what’s needed, said Kenneth Weckstein, a partner in Brown Rudnick’s government contracts and litigation group in Washington, D.C.

“The thing that is going to help most is if procurement officials are hit over the head with a bat and made aware that they need to make greater efforts to contract with small businesses,” he said.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-08-31 09:36:41

Okay, Slim here. Smoke’s still pouring outta my ears, but here goes.

I’ve done business with the Feds. And it wasn’t because I got a Minority/Woman-Owned Business designation. (Sorry, too much paperwork on that trail.)

What happened was that the Feds called me. And I had a very nice thing going with them for a while.

Nowadays, I’ve been thinking about going after some Fed business again. It’s really not hard. You know how federal agencies have websites? With phone numbers and e-mails on them? That’s all the contact info I need. Next step is to just sit down, start smiling, dialing, and e-mailing.

I’m not about to wait for the Feds to come to me. I’m gonna go get ‘em just like I did the universities.

Comment by In Montana
2009-08-31 13:42:49

“And it wasn’t because I got a Minority/Woman-Owned Business designation. (Sorry, too much paperwork on that trail.)”

No sh-t! I’ve had to deal with it a lot over the last 15 years on the state and muni level, as I work for a minority contractor, but we never got anything out of it. What a royal pain in the azz, a bunch of paperwork and nosy questions, all based on the assumption of fraud. And it’s just all about politics.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 08:08:38

Early estimates suggest the TARP bailout was highly profitable. So far as I can discern, there is one very big item missing from this accounting: THE TROUBLED ASSETS.

I guess “out-of-sight, out-of-mind” accounting rules are still in force?

The New York Times
As Big Banks Repay Bailout Money, U.S. Sees a Profit
By ZACHERY KOUWE
Published: August 30, 2009

Nearly a year after the federal rescue of the nation’s biggest banks, taxpayers have begun seeing profits from the hundreds of billions of dollars in aid that many critics thought might never be seen again.

As Congress debated the bailout bill last September that would authorize the Treasury Department to spend up to $700 billion to stem the financial crisis, Representative Mac Thornberry, Republican of Texas, said: “Seven hundred billion dollars of taxpayer money should not be used as a hopeful experiment.”

So far, that experiment is more than paying off. The government has taken profits of about $1.4 billion on its investment in Goldman Sachs, $1.3 billion on Morgan Stanley and $414 million on American Express. The five other banks that repaid the government — Northern Trust, Bank of New York Mellon, State Street, U.S. Bancorp and BB&T — each brought in $100 million to $334 million in profit.

The figure does not include the roughly $35 million the government has earned from 14 smaller banks that have paid back their loans. The government bought shares in these and many other financial companies last fall, when sinking confidence among investors pushed down many bank stocks to just a few dollars a share. As the banks strengthened and became profitable, the government authorized them to pay back the preferred stock, which had been paying quarterly dividends since October.

But the real profit came as banks were permitted to buy back the so-called warrants, whose low fixed price provided a windfall for the government as the shares of the companies soared.

American taxpayers could still collect additional profits on their investments in two other big banks that have repaid their preferred stock but not their warrants: JPMorgan Chase and Capital One. They are expected to yield over $3.1 billion in gains for the Treasury in the next month or so, although the full tally will depend on how much they will pay to buy back their warrants.

And the government is owed about $6.2 billion in interest payments from banks that have not yet repaid their federal money.

But all the profits taxpayers have won could still be wiped out by two deeply troubled institutions. Both Citigroup and Bank of America are still holding mortgages and other loans that were once worth billions of dollars but whose revised values are uncertain. If they prove “toxic” because they cannot attract buyers, they could leave large holes in the banks’ balance sheets.

Neither bank is ready to repay its bailout money anytime soon, even though the banks’ stock prices have surged in the last month, leaving the government sitting on paper profits of about $18 billion between them.

Comment by james
2009-08-31 10:23:58

I’m of the opinion that unless the bank owes money on the assests to someone else, then I don’t care as much about how they value them.

What i’d like to see are accumulation of hard reserves against deposits. Get leverage down to less than 5:1.

After that I’m not sure how much I care.

One of the things to appriciate in all of this. How few physical Federal Reserve Notes there are vs how much credit exists.

Hopefully the government cashes in its paper profits.

 
Comment by WeJamEcono
2009-08-31 15:04:28

“…taxpayers have begun seeing profits…”

i haven’t seen any profits…anyone else?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 08:13:48

MarketWatch First Take

Aug 31, 2009, 10:40 a.m. EST
Behind the Fed ‘profit’

Commentary: Even when taxpayers make a little dough, it’s bad, some say

The Fed’s bailout profit is up for debate

By MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — At first, the Federal Reserve’s bailout profit looks like a tricky problem for critics who argue that government intervention is a waste of taxpayer money.

But don’t underestimate the critics.

Naysayers point out that the bulk of cash from the government has yet to be repaid; the eight big banks that repaid the cash probably didn’t need it in the first place.

One analysis suggests the government overpaid for its stakes and that private investors could have done better. See full story.

The Fed also has exposure to the Maiden Lane portfolios — bad assets the government financed as part of the bailouts of American International Group Inc. (AIG 46.22, -4.01, -7.98%) and Bear Stearns Cos. That could cost taxpayers up to $30 billion, according to some estimates.

Then there are other investments that face tougher and more complicated prospects: Fannie Mae (FNM 1.98, -0.06, -2.94%) , Freddie Mac (FRE 2.31, -0.09, -3.75%) and General Motors Co.

No wonder we don’t like Mondays.

– David Weidner

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-08-31 08:27:17

Hey, everybody! Just got back from a week of visiting family in northern Vermont. Here’s my report:

My family lives near Stowe, VT, which is an upscale, touristy kind of place. While my aunt and I were out driving around, I didn’t see a single hotel, motel, or bed and breakfast that had a “No Vacancy” sign out.

Aunt Jean said it was because the kids were already back in school, but I didn’t think that accounted for such a dip in tourism. After all, there are plenty of empty nesters, singles, and couples without children who also travel. However, it was obvious that they weren’t traveling to northern VT.

My cousin Tom (Jean’s oldest son) is a building contractor. Unlike many of his competitors, he’s still quite busy. I took a close look at his work, and, yes, I know he’s a relative, but I have to say that he’s good. Quite a few of Aunt Jean’s friends and neighbors expressed the same sentiment. The takeaway: Even in this economy, it pays to be good at what you do.

On my last day with Jean, we drove up to Quebec for a look-see. I was quite shocked at how prosperous the area looked. By comparison, northern VT looked like a rundown dump. It’s obvious that Canada hasn’t been as beaten up by the recession.

On both sides of the border, I saw quite a bit of land and houses for sale. I didn’t check any prices, but I imagine that they were on the high side.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-31 15:19:50

You almost got vonTrapped!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 08:38:17

Beware of self-fulfilling prophesies driven by superstitious and flighty bovines and the chattering financial journalists who enjoy spooking the herd, just for the pleasure of seeing it race towards the nearest cliff.

Aug 31, 2009, 11:06 a.m. EST
Investors brace for September correction

By John Spence, MarketWatch

BOSTON (MarketWatch) — After a powerful rally in stocks from their March lows, nervous investors are positioning for a September sell-off — something that many say is overdue.

Investors are wondering whether September “will live up to its reputation as the month in which the S&P 500 posts its worst price performance and frequency of decline,” said Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at Standard & Poor’s Equity Research, on Monday.

He said investors “may have a reason to fear” just such a setback, considering the month’s dismal historical performance.

“We don’t know whether concerns over the upcoming [third-quarter] earnings reporting season will trigger this anticipated digestion of gains, or if further nervousness emanating from the Chinese stock market over the prospects of a slower-than-expected growth in GDP will cause U.S. equities to trim some of its recent advances, but September is as good a month as any in which to suffer a setback,” Stovall said.

“And while past performance is no guarantee of future results, history hints that September certainly has the reputation,” he added.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-31 10:12:09

Loved the realtor. She was a howl.

 
Comment by Kim
2009-08-31 10:54:22

That was funny.

 
Comment by rms
2009-08-31 17:39:45

Love how the stacked hotties manage just enough spring in their stride to get the girlz ‘ta jiggle. Thanks!

Comment by desertdweller
2009-08-31 18:23:44

It is called ‘tude’. Sashay sashay.. vogue vogue.

 
 
 
Comment by lavi d
2009-08-31 09:17:06

The smoke from the California wildfires is really irritating my sinuses today.

I wish you folks would quit lighting fire to your state every year.

It’s getting a bit tedious.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-08-31 09:28:04

try cigarettes. The only sole reason that comes to mind which supports smoking: Keeps your lungs in ’shape’ in case of forest fire.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-08-31 09:53:22

Southern Idaho has been plagued by smoke from wildfires in British Columbia this summer. That stuff really can travel.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-31 09:23:20

Cerberus to Raise New Funds After Investors Pull $4.77 Billion

Aug. 31 (Bloomberg) — Cerberus Capital Management LP plans to raise money in the fourth quarter to buy distressed companies and securities after losses on investments such as Chrysler LLC and GMAC LLC led to $4.77 billion in client redemptions.

The withdrawal requests, representing 60 percent of the $7.9 billion in its Cerberus Partners LP and Cerberus Institutional LP funds, came mostly from other managers who need to pay off investors, according to Mark Neporent, the New York- based firm’s chief operating officer and general counsel. Institutions and wealthy individuals are still looking to invest with Cerberus, which oversees $24.3 billion, including a $1 billion fund raised last month, he said.

“These redemptions are not a reflection of a lack of confidence, but a reflection of demands of liquidity” from the funds of funds that had placed clients’ cash with Cerberus, Neporent said in an Aug. 29 interview.

Cerberus, founded in 1992 by former Drexel Burnham Lambert Inc. banker Stephen Feinberg, stayed out of the limelight as it focused on buying troubled companies, debt and real estate. It stumbled with its two highest-profile deals: leading separate groups that invested almost $15 billion combined for controlling stakes in automaker Chrysler and GMAC, the former finance arm of General Motors Co.

The firm wrote off the majority of its Chrysler stake as the Auburn Hills, Michigan-based company headed into a U.S. government-orchestrated bankruptcy. Its stake in GMAC was diluted when the Detroit-based lender was bailed out by the U.S. and converted into a bank holding company. They were rare mistakes for Feinberg, 49, whose firm has generated average annual returns of about 20 percent since its inception, according to Neporent.

‘Embarrassed and Disappointed’

“We are embarrassed and disappointed by our 2008 performance, and we feel a huge obligation to you to turn this around,” Feinberg wrote in July 3 letter to clients.

Cerberus manages $19.6 billion in distressed funds that generally buy the same assets, including corporate bonds, bank loans and private companies, according to Neporent, 52.

It also runs real estate and lending funds.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2009-08-31 09:52:14

Today’s San Jose Mercury regarding commercial RE: The valley’s 20.5 percent office vacancy rate is the highest since 2003, according to CB Richard Ellis, and has hit 53.4 percent in Sunnyvale. An 18.9 percent vacancy rate for research and development space — the largest commercial real estate category in the valley — is the highest since early 2006.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-08-31 10:03:31

Did hbber’s discuss the report already?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-10320096-38.html

“Internet companies and civil liberties groups were alarmed this spring when a U.S. Senate bill proposed handing the White House the power to disconnect private-sector computers from the Internet.

They’re not much happier about a revised version that aides to Sen. Jay Rockefeller, a West Virginia Democrat, have spent months drafting behind closed doors. CNET News has obtained a copy of the 55-page draft of S.773 (excerpt), which still appears to permit the president to seize temporary control of private-sector networks during a so-called cybersecurity emergency.

The new version would allow the president to “declare a cybersecurity emergency” relating to “non-governmental” computer networks and do what’s necessary to respond to the threat. Other sections of the proposal include a federal certification program for “cybersecurity professionals,” and a requirement that certain computer systems and networks in the private sector be managed by people who have been awarded that license.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 11:11:22

The Fed
Aug 31, 2009, 2:00 p.m. EST
Talk of quick exit from strategy premature: NY Fed chief
By Greg Robb, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — It is too early to contemplate an end to the Federal Reserve’s unconventional easing strategy, said William Dudley, president of the New York Federal Reserve Bank, in a television interview Monday.

“My own personal view is, I think it’s a little premature to be so confident that you want to pull all these things back right now,” Dudley said in a CNBC interview.

The Fed has a plan to buy $1.25 billion in mortgage-backed securities and $200 billion of debt issued by mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The central bank is about half-way through the purchases. The plans are designed to boost the economy because buying the mortgage debt has made it less expensive for consumers to buy homes.

Last week, two regional Fed presidents - Jeffrey Lacker, president of the Richmond Federal Reserve Bank, and James Bullard, president of the St. Louis Fed, said in separate speeches that the Fed may not have to buy all these securities because the economy is leveling out.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 11:12:23

Has the Fed purchased MBS prior to the current crisis?

Comment by wmbz
2009-08-31 11:46:08

Good question, and one I don’t know the answer to.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-31 11:28:26

Banks Hiding Tsunami of Foreclosures
NewsMax
U.S. banks face a tsunami of home foreclosures soon, says David Karsbol, chief economist at Saxo Bank.

Homeowners may be faced with no choice and will just stop paying their mortgages, he warns.

“I believe we are about to see a tsunami of foreclosures in the U.S. A lot of homes have been held back because if the banks are foreclosing on them they will have to do a writedown on the mortgages they have on their balance (sheets),” Karsbol told CNBC.

“That’s why they have been reluctant to do so.”

Soon homeowners may be looking around their neighborhoods and realizing that their neighbors have opted to stop paying their mortgages and are living scot free, he said.

“The fact that many homeowners are allowed to stay in their houses without paying on their mortgages begs the question: Why should you pay on your mortgage when your neighbor doesn’t?” Karsbol said.

Rising unemployment in the United States is the main cause behind foreclosures, economists and bankers told the Washington Post. Subprime mortgages are becoming less of a culprit.

“It’s a much harder nut to crack, unemployment,” says Mark A. Calabria, director of financial regulation studies at the Cato Institute.

“It’s much easier to bash lenders than to create jobs.”

In 2009, the first three months reported the largest share of foreclosures moved to prime loans from subprime loans, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association.

“Rising unemployment, for the sake of this downturn, has magnified things considerably,” notes John Snyder, manager of foreclosure programs for NeighborWorks, a large housing counseling group.

“It’s less about the payment adjustment.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 11:51:17

‘“I believe we are about to see a tsunami of foreclosures in the U.S. A lot of homes have been held back because if the banks are foreclosing on them they will have to do a writedown on the mortgages they have on their balance (sheets),” Karsbol told CNBC.

“That’s why they have been reluctant to do so.”’

This story has been out there for many moons with no resolution. Why would anything change going forward if nothing has changed so far?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 11:52:23

To put my question another, less pleasant, way, why can’t the bowels of the mortgage banking system remain impacted forever?

 
Comment by neuromance
2009-08-31 19:20:45

The Economist magazine had a cover article on the global housing mania back in 2004. They correctly identified the factors at play, but were wrong on the timeframe.

I don’t know how housing will play out. A commentator on the PBS Nightly Business Report said that housing stimulus would like be among the last to be withdrawn.

The Treasury and Fed leaders were caught standing when the musical chairs of the credit bubble stopped. Thus, they are very REIC-centric.

What are the major government spending priorities? Defense, entitlements…what else? What will make them draw down the housing bailouts? I think it will be inflation. Government won’t reduce their spending until economic conditions force them to.

Politicians need money to stay in office. The Finance, Insurance, and Real Estate industries are very big contributors. They expect some favors for the money they pay.

Dunno. Eventually, housing will come back in line with incomes. Till them, I just “build equity” by trying to improve my net worth.

 
 
 
Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2009-08-31 11:33:02

There was a very good segment on 60 Minutes on CBS last night on derivitives and credit default swaps. Worth watching if you missed it.

Here’s a link.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5269424n&tag=mg;60minutes

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-08-31 11:36:17

The FDIC - part of the solution or part of the problem?:

Welcome to the FDIC’s version of “let’s screw the consumer” (again):

To encourage banks to pick through the wreckage of their collapsed competitors, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. has agreed to assume most of the risk on $80 billion in loans and other assets. The agency expects it will eventually have to cover $14 billion in future losses on deals cut so far. The initiative amounts to a subsidy for dozens of hand-picked banks.

Uh huh. And how are these “hand-picked” banks picked?

Oh, that will never be disclosed, right? There will never be an open process on that, will there?

The big issue here is that the so-called “loss projections” are, in my opinion, hopelessly optimistic.

Take Colonial. BB&T thinks the real valuation is somewhere around 37% off “face”. The FDIC’s assumption of 14 billion in loss against 80 billion in guarantees is 17% of face. Someone’s wrong, and I’m willing to bet its not BB&T - after all, there has never been a penalty for making unrealistic projections of loss (or cost) in Washington DC, but when you do it in private enterprise you tend to get punished severely in the capital markets.

Never mind that BB&T has to love that deal. They can lose $500 million while the FDIC can lose fourteen and a half billion, should the entire portfolio prove worthless. That’s a hell of a deal - for BB&T.

The FDIC claims that this is “cheaper” than assuming and selling off the assets itself. But is this true? Perhaps, under current conditions.

But those conditions - banks lying about asset values - are part and parcel of the FDIC’s own making! Remember that John Dugan is on the FDIC’s board (and is Comptroller) while John Bowman is the acting director of the OTS - both organizations directly responsible for banking regulation.

So where has that regulation been? Missing, that’s where. Mark-to-fantasy has not only become a calling cry from the Congress, it has become a permitted action under the OTS and Comptroller - even though both, as regulators of the banks and thrifts, are empowered to stop it.

Now, having been derelict in their duty of supervision, the FDIC (which claims not to be a “regulator” per-se) comes in and offers what amounts to a government backstop on losses which should have never developed in the first place.

(From K. Denninger)

 
Comment by james
2009-08-31 11:53:41

Hello ProfessorBear,

Found an odd article that Krugman had linked to…

krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/30/getting-stucco/

Ah… olde times Stucco.

Also can read up on Mish’s page about Krugman reversing himself about debt, because he is a liberal hack. Of course, I’m probably a conservative hack. Anyhow, I haven’t had to reverse myself all day.

globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/08/paul-krugman-deficits-saved-world.html

~James

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 13:55:01

Of course that quote goes back to the first Marx Brothers movie, The Coconuts, wherein Groucho is a Florida real estate hawker who loudly announces, “You can get any kind of house you want — you can even get stucco”, then, under his breath, says, “Boy, can you get stucco.” The irony is that although Groucho saw the humor in the real estate crash, he somehow missed the concurrent Wall Street crash underway and lost a fortune in stocks.

If you were reading here back when I called myself Get Stucco, then you know we went on and on about how the evolving Florida real estate situation looked like a replay of the 1920s, long before the SHTF. So far as I am aware, we were roundly ignored by most ‘experts’ who are now writing the “no one could have seen it coming” type pieces about the Florida real estate crash underway.

Comment by james
2009-08-31 15:20:24

Yes, I was remembering those days. Back in 05-06 when the crash was a prediction and not a reality.

Also thinking about my general prediction that we’d all have to eat a sh*t sandwich before this thing ends.

My other unfortunate belief/prediction is we are moving into the shoot the survivors stage of this bust. Basically the bailouts will be very destructive to many while helping the occasional crooked banker types.

I’m wondering if the interest write off started as a bank bailout past. Basically its OK to have a write off as long as the money goes to the bank?

Wow. Its really been 3.5 years of unfocused rambling here?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 16:27:37

Frankly, I thought there would be more convergence between the underlying economic reality and the MSM picture by now, but the denial phase of the housing bubble stages of grief has lasted “longer than I expected.”

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Comment by In Montana
2009-08-31 14:04:49

Ugh, how nauseating. But then I’m a conservative hack too..

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 13:49:29

The demand for transparency seems to be on the increase:

Aug 31, 2009, 4:41 p.m. EST
Two Republican lawmakers seek audit of AIG trust
Reps. Issa and Bachus raise concerns about holding AIG Trustees accountable

By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Two key Republican lawmakers on Monday said they are seeking an audit of the trust that manages the government’s controlling stake in American International Group Inc.

“While the trustees have the discretion to exercise full control over AIG, the trustees cannot be fired if their decisions conflict with the preferences of government officials,” said House Oversight Committee ranking member, Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Ala., House Financial Services ranking member. “This raises a troubling and urgent question: Who can the American taxpayers hold accountable if the trustees make a decision that is not in their best interest?”

Issa and Bachus sent letters to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Neil Barofsky, the congressionally appointed inspector general for the government’s $700 billion bailout program, seeking to have either the agency or the IG audit the AIG (AIG 45.04, -0.29, -0.64%) Trust.

AIG has received over $180 billion in taxpayer-funded bailout dollars to keep it afloat, in part, because of concern by Treasury officials that the super-sized insurance corporation’s collapse would have caused too much collateral damage to the financial markets.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-31 13:49:38

Mortgage data could help catch tax cheats.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. tax authorities may be forgoing $1.4 billion of revenue annually because they fail to thoroughly compare mortgage interest statements submitted by banks against individual tax returns, according to a government report released on Monday.

The Internal Revenue Service uses mortgage interest statements, known as 1098 Forms, to catch tax cheats. But a review of 200 samples for 2005 estimated that the agency may be missing tens of thousands of taxpayers who are not reporting or underreporting their income, the Treasury inspector general for tax administration said in a report.

“A large number of individuals are paying a significant amount of mortgage interest and either are not filing tax returns or are filing tax returns indicating their income is not sufficient to cover their mortgage obligations and basic living expenses,” said the report, dated August 6.

“The considerable difference between expenditures and income raises very serious questions about whether these taxpayers have additional sources of income that should have been reported on their tax returns,” it continued.

The IRS, in a response included in the report, said it agreed with the recommendation that it make greater use of mortgage interest data to track tax evaders. The report did find that the IRS collected $276 million from delinquent taxpayers based on mortgage data from 2005 returns.

The office of the inspector general looked at two samples of 100 taxpayers with $20,000 or more of mortgage interest. Using a statistical sample to extrapolate to the broader population, it estimated that about 137,000 taxpayers may be not reporting or may be underreporting their income.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-08-31 13:56:50

Texas loses more than 32,000 oil and gas jobs
San Antonio Business Journal

The Texas oil and gas industry is continuing to trim jobs at a rapid pace, according to the latest Texas Petro Index (TPI), which measures employment levels in the oil and gas industry.

So far this year, the state’s oil and gas sector has shed more than 32,000 jobs through July 2009. And thousands of more jobs are expected to be lost before the year is up.

Volatile commodity prices for crude oil and natural gas are blamed for the job losses. Texas crude oil prices are currently averaging $60.91 per barrel. This is down from an average price of $130.91 a barrel back in July 2008. Natural gas prices in Texas are currently averaging $3.62 per thousand cubic. This is down from $12.33 per thousand cubic feet in July 2008.

Because commodity prices have been volatile, oil and gas producers have curtailed drilling activity. As of July 2009, there were 342 drilling rig in production, according to the Baker Hughes count of active rigs. This was down from a peak of 958 rigs at the end of August 2008.

“Producers and oil-field service contractors are shedding jobs to shrink the industry’s workforce to the level required to operate 300 to 350 rigs in Texas,” says petroleum economist Karr Ingham, who created the TPI for the Texas Alliance of Energy Producers. “That adjustment is not complete, so it appears that thousands more Texans will be sent packing before this cycle hits bottom.”

Ingham estimates that one of every 10 Texans employed by the oil and gas industry have already lost their jobs as of July.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 16:45:45

It’s different across the pond.\

The Financial Times
Brown pledges bonus clampdown
By Lionel Barber and Philip Stephens

Published: August 31 2009 23:35 | Last updated: August 31 2009 23:35

Gordon Brown has pledged tough action to clamp down on excessive remuneration for bankers as part of an international effort to rectify the systemic weakness that led to the global financial crisis.

The prime minister said in an interview with the Financial Times that pay and bonuses should be based on long-term success not short-term speculative gains; banks should “claw back” bankers’ rewards if their performance suffered in subsequent years; and regulators should be able to impose higher capital requirements on financial institutions.

“We have to move faster,” Mr Brown said.

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EDITOR’S CHOICE
Three-part prescription to take to G20 - Aug-31
Hard choices loom but ‘cuts’ not in lexicon - Aug-31
Transcript: Gordon Brown interview - Aug-31
Berlin bids to halt ‘too big to fail’ banking - Aug-31
Philip Stephens: Cut the banks (and bonuses) down to size - Aug-31

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 17:39:29

Going long T-bonds right now is a gamble that the Fed will hold the lid on yields forever. Stein’s Law may be relevant here (”Anything that cannot go on forever will stop” — a generalization of Keynes’ observation that “In the long run, we are all dead.”).

Brett Arends’ ROI

Aug 31, 2009, 12:01 a.m. EST
Yes, there’s even a risk in Treasuries
Commentary: Bonds may not keep up with inflation, lose ground
By Brett Arends, WSJ.com

BOSTON (MarketWatch) — If you or a member of your family has a lot of money invested in bond funds, you should hear what Thomas Atteberry has to say.

He’s a partner at fund group First Pacific Advisors and co-manager of the successful New Income /quotes/comstock/10r!fpnix (FPNIX 11.05, +0.01, +0.09%) bond fund.

His warning? Investors in long-term Treasury bonds and high-grade corporates run a serious risk of losing money in real, inflation-adjusted terms, over the next few years. They may lose money even before you count inflation.

Why?

The yields on these bonds are ominously low. If they reverted to long-term averages, the prices would tumble. You may end up losing more on the falling price than you could earn from the coupons.

This is a Main Street danger. Many ordinary Americans who have fled the stock market have moved their money into the supposed “safe haven” of bonds instead.

According to the Investment Company Institute, investors this year have so far poured a remarkable $142 billion net into taxable bond mutual funds. By contrast, the amount of new money invested in stock funds has barely matched the amount withdrawn.

Investors seem indifferent to the risks. Right now, 10-year Treasurys yield an anemic 3.47%. Their median over the past 50 years was far higher: 6.21%.

The yield on investment-grade corporate bonds is better. According to the Federal Reserve, the average yield across two benchmarks of these bonds is now about 6%. But even that’s well below the average since the late 1950s, which was about 7.75%.

Bonds are like a seesaw: If the yield rises, the price falls. Rising worries about inflation, rising interest rates, or both could cause that to happen.

Atteberry has run the numbers on a few scenarios, and they aren’t pretty. If the 10-year Treasury reverts to more typical levels over the next five years, investors will end up making just 1.1% a year over that time. That’s before inflation.

A faster move would be even worse. If the bonds reverted to average yields within a year, he says, investors will lose nearly 16%.

Ouch.

Comment by packman
2009-08-31 21:08:10

Atteberry has run the numbers on a few scenarios, and they aren’t pretty. If the 10-year Treasury reverts to more typical levels over the next five years, investors will end up making just 1.1% a year over that time. That’s before inflation.

Um - what? Yield on 10-year is 3.40% right now. So before inflation wouldn’t one make 3.40%, not 1.1%?

What am I missing?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 22:45:39

“What am I missing?”

Capital loss.

 
Comment by measton
2009-08-31 22:46:00

He’s assuming the sale price ofthe bond will fall after 5 years.

The bigger question is what does he think will happen to real estate, and banks, and stocks if interest rates shoot up. If consumers can’t afford to buy anything other than food and fuel. The best possible outcome is stagflation or stagdeflation. Rapid inflation is no better than deflation. It won’t force up spending because it won’t be accompanied by rising wages, or wealth.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-08-31 23:00:53

Financial Times
Insurers investigate spike in fire claims
By Michael Peel, Legal Correspondent
Published: August 31 2009 22:31 | Last updated: August 31 2009 22:31

The insurance industry is investigating a spike in property fire damage claims, amid fears that struggling businesses and homeowners are turning to arson to solve problems brought on by the financial crisis.

The Association of British Insurers said it was investigating a “suspicious” jump of more than a fifth in pay-outs demanded from its members over the past two years, including a sharp rise in £500,000-plus claims stemming from commercial building blazes.

The insurers’ focus on fire is part of a broader effort to prevent fraud connected to the credit crunch. The ABI said its probe was triggered by reports from its 400 corporate members of increasing fire damage pay-outs, particularly over large demands by companies.

The association said: “We do know that there are some crimes that are linked to the underlying economic climate – fraud being one of them and fraudulent arson in particular.”

EDITOR’S CHOICE
Wedding scams and car fires keep insurers busy - Aug-31

 
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