September 4, 2009

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Comment by drumminj
2009-09-04 03:00:27

Good morning, HBB! Just got home from a date….(that’s a sign of a good date, btw). Now to sleep for 3 hours and get ready for work. Ugh.

Comment by drumminj
2009-09-04 03:01:30

Oh yeah, happy Friday before a 3 day weekend, US folks

Comment by Al
2009-09-04 04:54:37

We’ve got the 3 day weekend in Canada too (3 1/2 if the boss if feeling generous today). Yay!

Comment by palmetto
2009-09-04 05:10:56

LOL, I hope no one from the gubmin has the brass balls to bloviate about “Labor Day”, considering all the offshoring and outsourcing and illegal immigration. It’s a joke. But thanks for the barbeque.

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Comment by skb
2009-09-04 06:15:42

What part in Canada?
I am in Florida but was born and raised in Manitoba.

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Comment by Al
2009-09-04 06:19:36

Southern Ontario. Since Manitoba is pretty much the middle of Canada, that makes Ontario the middle-east.

 
Comment by skb
2009-09-04 06:48:38

LOL, I am sure no pun was intended.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-04 07:17:03

I’ve always found it amusing that in the US, a state can border an east coast state, and be considered a mid-western state. Old thought patterns die hard.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-09-04 08:57:49

Chicago is an Atlantic ocean seaport but is considered to be in a mid-western state.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2009-09-04 12:16:51

Having lived in Arizona most of my life, I’ve steadily tried to change that perception. Any state east of New Mexico I deem to be the Near East. Those around the Mississippi river are there for the Middle East. Those that boarder the Atlantic are then obviously the Far East. I mean, after all, do I not live in the center of the universe? If so, should it not revolve around me?

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-04 12:27:57

I mean, after all, do I not live in the center of the universe? If so, should it not revolve around me?

Yes. And….yes. Duh!

(I like your style, there, Cassandra. :) )

 
 
 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-09-04 06:22:28

Good morning comrad.

 
Comment by cougar91
2009-09-04 06:31:34

> that’s a sign of a good date

Oooh, tell us all about it, better yet with some pics.

Comment by drumminj
2009-09-04 06:46:52

Hah, I do have pics, actually, as a result of my pre-date google-stalking. But I’ll keep those to myself for now. Let’s just say I’m a happy man this morning :)

I don’t know why this didn’t strike me last night, but the last several (4? 5?) women I’ve gone on dates with have mentioned on the first date that they wanted to buy a house. Of course I always say “don’t do it”, but it sure puts a damper on things when I have to try to explain why it’s a bad idea.

Last night I just said “don’t”, and moved on to a less volatile topic such as religion :lol:

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-09-04 07:24:14

I was put on a blacklist by a cute gal in the apartment management office in November for a similar deal. While signing the original lease I told her lots of young people around here drive cars that cost twice as much as mine. Her smile disappeared. Right then I knew I would not score with her.

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Comment by Muddyfoot
2009-09-04 10:49:24

You should’ve just licked your eyebrows, that always works!

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-04 07:29:22

I think a better first date response would be, ‘Yeah, it would be nice to own a house, but I think they’ll be cheaper in a few years.’ Let’s you sound like a solid, ready to settle down kind of guy, and practical too. Some girls think a refusal to buy a house means you’re some sort of playuh. And this way, you’ve sort of agreed with her (which helps on a first date). If things work out, you can give her ‘the rest of the story’.

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-09-04 08:08:51

If things work out, you can give her ‘the rest of the story’.

Say it in your best Paul Harvey voice. Young ladies find that irresistible.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-09-04 10:22:35

Exactly. There are very subtle ways to direct conversations.

 
Comment by packman
2009-09-04 11:47:52

Say it in your best Paul Harvey voice. Young ladies find that irresistible.

LOL - nothing like being chased by hordes of screaming 70-something-year-olds.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-09-04 12:36:24

you guys are so funny today-alpha is right.

 
 
 
 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-09-04 06:50:25

Just got home from a date

So was she hot? (To buy a house, I mean …)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 03:02:21

Stiglitz Says U.S. Economic Recovery May Not Be ‘Sustainable’

Sept. 4 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. economy faces a “significant chance” of contracting again after emerging from its worst recession since the 1930s, Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz said.

“It’s not clear that the U.S. is recovering in a sustainable way,” Stiglitz, a Columbia University professor, told reporters yesterday in New York.

Economists and policy makers are expressing concern about the strength of a projected economic recovery, with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner saying two days ago that it’s too soon to remove government measures aimed at boosting growth.

Stiglitz said he sees two scenarios for the world’s largest economy in coming months. One is a period of “malaise,” in which consumption lags and private investment is slow to accelerate. The other is a rebound fueled by government stimulus that’s followed by an abrupt downturn — an occurrence that economists call a “W-shaped’ recovery.

“There’s a significant chance of a W, but I don’t think it’s inevitable,” he said. The economy “could just bounce along the bottom.”

Stiglitz said it’s difficult to predict the economy’s trajectory because “we really are in a different world.” He said the crisis of the past year was made worse by lax regulation that allowed some financial firms to grow so large that the system couldn’t handle a failure of any of them.

Big Banks

“These institutions are not only too big to fail, they are too big to be managed,” he said.

Finance ministers and central bankers from the Group of 20 nations meet in London Sept. 4-5 to lay the groundwork for a summit in Pittsburgh later this month, where leaders will consider measures to overhaul supervision of the financial system.

The U.S. Treasury Department, in a statement yesterday, said it wants a global agreement requiring banks to increase their capital cushions to be reached by the end of next year.

Stiglitz, 66, said that while $787 billion in federal government stimulus is propelling growth this quarter, there’s no guarantee the economy will maintain its momentum. On whether the U.S. needs another injection of stimulus, Stiglitz said it’s best to “wait and see.”

“We did have a very big stimulus, and that stimulus has added to economic growth and will be adding in the current quarter,” he said. “But the question going forward in 2011 is the stimulus is coming off, and that’s a negative.”

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 03:26:48

…a “significant chance”
…“It’s not clear
…I don’t think it’s inevitable,
…it’s difficult to predict
…there’s no guarantee
…it’s best to “wait and see.”
…the question going forward

What we have here is a fine economist who well recognizes the limitations of his art and has the courage to admit it.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 05:36:28

What we have here is a fine banker who fails to read the handwriting on the wall.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-09-04 09:36:50

Well, we did have a “fine” Fed Chairperson who used to obfuscate like that too…

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-09-04 04:30:24

“It’s not clear that the U.S. is recovering in a sustainable way,” Stiglitz, a Columbia University professor, told reporters yesterday in New York.”

That’s the understatement of the year. Fact is, when fixing anything, no recovery or repair is possible unless the underlying reason or reasons for failure is detected, isolated and handled. I think many politicians and their “business” clients know darned well what the problems are, but are hoping that “fixing” something else will bring about recovery.

Gee, here’s a car with a flat tire. Let’s fix the transmission. That’ll work.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-09-04 04:52:25

They’re replacing sidewalks and curbs like mad up here this summer. Some needed it, most didn’t. Big orange ARRA signs abound.

Bottom line: such replacement adds nothing to the overall capacity or productivity of the population. In no way is it like bringing a new technology to market or building a new factory to produce a new product.

It is, however, good times for connected contractors, and it’s already garnered some union endorsements for some pols.

Comment by palmetto
2009-09-04 05:06:36

“It is, however, good times for connected contractors,”

I’m tellin’ ya. I wuz just chatting with a guy the other day who subcontracts to goobermint contractors and he’s lickin’ his chops big time.

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-09-04 10:12:42

Out west, I’m seeing oodles of “shovel ready” paving jobs and such. The common theme- Hispanic workers. Nothing like perpetuating the gravy train of cheap labor profits.

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2009-09-04 10:51:13

The day my husband the analytical chemist can potentially get a job is the day that I know that the “recovery” is actually underway.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-09-04 11:26:58

How about he finds a chemical cure for stupidty….you could be BILLIONAIRES

up their with Buffet & Gates…and Ben of course!

 
 
Comment by oxide
2009-09-04 05:19:26

If Obama puts out a stimulus package which invests in a little R&D to develop these magical New Technologies (they don’t pop up overnight you know), then the Republicans complain that “it was supposed to be a stimulus package; we need stuff that stimulates NOW (like cutting our taxes hint hint).” If Obama puts out a stimulus package to save or create jobs right away to please Republicans, then EdgieJohn complains that it “adds nothing.”

Poor guy can’t win. :sad:

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Comment by palmetto
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 05:49:53

That was an interesting read Palmy.

 
Comment by Lucy
2009-09-04 05:53:14

So technology has reached a permenantly flat plateau?

 
Comment by skroodle
2009-09-04 06:00:07

Everything that can be invented has been invented.
Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. patent office, 1899

 
Comment by Al
2009-09-04 06:07:20

I think the problem is there is not enough pure research going on. Profit based research is stifling creativity.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-09-04 06:09:40

Exactly, Al. That is what’s happened.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-09-04 06:29:38

Well surely there ARE possible projects that are ready for funding AND improve productivity? eg NEW roads (or more likely intersection improvements) instead of repaving/new curbs.

 
Comment by packman
2009-09-04 06:30:32

I think the problem is there is not enough pure research going on. Profit based research is stifling creativity.

LOL

Those dang profiteers
- Alexander Graham Bell
- Henry Ford
- Thomas Edison
- Orville and Wilbur Wright
- Steve Jobs
- etc. etc.

sure can stifle creativity.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-09-04 06:52:11

Whatever. It would be easier to be less critical if those resources were going into major improvements - like the much needed grade separated rail bypass corridor around my city - than just replacing some curbs and putting in decorative street lights.

If the clout-ridden system that runs my city is being used as an example for the rest of the country, then I really fear for the future.

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-09-04 06:52:16

Everything that can be invented has been invented.
Charles H. Duell, Commissioner, U.S. patent office, 1899

Everything that should be patented (and a lot of things that shouldn’t) has been patented.

LVG, 2009

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-09-04 07:52:24

Whatever. It would be easier to be less critical if those resources were going into major improvements - like the much needed grade separated rail bypass corridor around my city - than just replacing some curbs and putting in decorative street lights.

LOL. Let’s not hold our collective breath on the bypass corridor, but mere funding isn’t the only issue there, not by a long shot.

And while I can’t argue with your criticism of our “clout-ridden system,” our city does get more done (in a limited season) than most municipalities.

(PS: T-minus 27 days ’til we find out if we’re saddled with the Olympic Albatross in 2016.)

 
Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-09-04 09:39:50

Peak complexity.

Its basically a matter of EROEI. over the past 300 years or so we have captured all of the ‘low haging fruit’ in terms of turning basic concepts into applied technology. At this point, adding ‘features’ to the system just adds complexity (and takes more effort) witout really adding anthing to the final result. It might make us marginally more efficient (arguably) but it doesnt really improve anything.

However, in terms of the social sciences, the “why” of doing things as opposed to the “how” of doing them there is huge room for improvement. Our understanding of dynamic systems and the nature of complexity itself has expanded enormously but we have yet to really apply that ‘technology’ to our daily lives. Sure, it’s far less sexy than being a rocket scientist but given the problems we now face I would suggest it’s even more vital.

Then again, I’m a tree huggin lefty pinko anyway so what do I know ;)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-09-04 11:27:31

Here’s a question for all you EE’s out there:

We recently replaced our old DVD players(2 of them) with new ones (because the old ones gave up the ghost).

My pet peeve: If the players are idle for a while they go into some sort of sleep mode. What I find irritating is that this sleep modr wrecks havoc with the tray open/close button. Even though the player is “on” and the display indicates the presence (or lack of) a disc, pressing the open button does nothing. You have to do a “one Mississippi, two…” pattern in your head and then press it a second time.

So clearly, pressing the open button the first time wakes the player from its stupor, but why can’t it open the damn tray? I really hate this “design”, and from talking with others it sounds like all new players are like this.

 
Comment by wolfgirl
2009-09-04 13:59:09

Our dvd player is almost 9 years old. We probably won’t replace it when it dies since we watch almost eveything on computer.

 
 
Comment by Cassandra
2009-09-04 12:34:11

Couple of years ago the City of Flagstaff did some ADA updates by putting in those corner curb cuts for wheel chairs. The funny part was alot of them were on corners that 12-15% grades. I mean you’d be crazy to take a chair up or down those streets. You’d need a 25hp motor to go up, and disk brakes to descend. Besides that, the city plows all the snow onto the sidewalks all winter.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 06:21:30

“Gee, here’s a car with a flat tire.”

Gee, honey, I think our car just had a blowout and threw a rod at the same time. Step on the gas pedal to see if we can make it go faster!

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-04 07:38:05

More like we’re in a single engine plane barely making it through mountains in heavy weather, the co-pilot keeps complaining that the oil pressure in the engine is too high, but the captain sees a mountainside dead ahead, and says, ‘Gun that sucker anyway!’ The alternative?

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 08:45:36

Yeah, if it goes one minute, you’ll see the rod hanging out of the crankcase Prof. B! I saw that a couple times on motorcycle engines, kind of neat, except for the expense! :)

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-09-04 10:20:37

Customer: “My engine is knocking, smoking, and losing power.”

Honest mechanic: “I’m sorry, it looks like we’ll need to rebuild it as you’ve lost compression in the cylinders.”

Government mechanic: “Rebuild? Pffft. We’ll just throw a supercharger on it, and add nitrous oxide to boot!”

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 11:06:16

Good one Griz. :) Lil’ boost never hurt any engine.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Al
2009-09-04 05:05:05

Here’s what these clowns should be saying:

We went into recession because there was too much debt floating around. We got out of the recession by going further into debt. Therefore, we will definitely be going into recession again but probably much worse. The main difference this time is the government will be broke too.

Comment by cobaltblue
2009-09-04 06:06:08

IMHO, you are correct, Al!

This no longer “the richest country in the world”.

Given their debt load, Americans are probably the “poorest people on Earth” when you grasp the concept of NEGATIVE numbers.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 05:35:14

‘“These institutions are not only too big to fail, they are too big to be managed,” he said.’

Where have I heard that line before? ;-)

 
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Comment by tresho
2009-09-04 08:50:15

Very appropriate image for the “recovery”.

 
 
Comment by Carlos4
2009-09-04 06:07:24

One can have recessions in a falling economy well as recessions in a rising one; the former wring out excesses, the latter give false hope. Bets anyone? Still working in retirement, preppinf almost complete, alas, not as complete as alad…..

Comment by Carlos4
2009-09-04 06:15:02

…..^ preppif = prepping ^…..

Comment by Carlos4
2009-09-04 06:23:08

…..^ preppif = preppinf = prepping ^….. Rancher, I need some of that coffee this AM, badly; the kind that you can float a spoon in…..

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Comment by Rancher
2009-09-04 06:45:38

Any of you remember Bill Mauldin’s WWII
cartoons? The one with Willy saying to Joe
“Don’t drop the egg in Joe, it will bruise the
the chicken” as he picks up the coffee pot off
the flames…..

Morning everyone, third cup this morning and
the hands are still steady….laughing…

 
 
 
 
Comment by ACH
2009-09-04 06:22:19

This is complete garbage. “In a different world” indeed. The analysis is simple:
IF : No refi or HELOC,
AND: Too much debt,
AND: High unemployment,
THEN: No recovery.

Roidy

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-09-04 06:56:34

He said the crisis of the past year was made worse by lax regulation

Let’s see, 80,000 pages added annually to the Federal Register, a few hundred volumes each of the U.S. Code Annotated and Code of Federal Regulations, 1.8 million civilian Federal Employees (excluding the Post Office)– I wonder what STRICT regulation would look like?

Comment by tresho
2009-09-04 08:53:19

I wonder what STRICT regulation would look like? The problem wasn’t the number of laws written or added to the heap of existing laws, but that the existing laws were, and continue to be, ignored. The “lax regulation” criticism would still be entirely valid if no new laws of any kind had been written for the last 2 years.

Comment by packman
2009-09-04 09:03:06

No - the problem is that most people don’t realize that 80-90% of actual economic regulation isn’t in the form of laws at all, but rather in the form of other artificial influences - e.g. Fed rate, government spending (e.g. expansion contraction of military, etc.). And it’s often in the form of other regulatory changes that aren’t supposed to affect the economy so much - e.g. the recent tech bubble and resulting 2001/2002 recession was largely the result of the Telecom Act of 1996.

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Comment by tresho
2009-09-04 09:23:24

the problem is that laws against corporate fraud have largely been ignored these last 5-10 years.

 
 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-09-04 09:30:04

I’m not following you, tresho. Of course, if you claim regulation is lax now, then it was even more lax 1,2,3, … years ago when there were fewer regulations.

Concerning existing laws being ignored, my point is that it’s not humanly POSSIBLE to understand and enforce this many laws. Advocates of more regulation have to not only explain 1) what new regulations they favor, but also 2) how they are going to be enforced when experience shows that enforcement is impossible and the regulat-ees always find loopholes, and 3) why this isn’t all just 20-20 hindsight and fighting the last war.

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Comment by polly
2009-09-04 10:53:35

It is perfectly possible to write hundreds and thousands of pages of regulations that are even enforced and still have it be “lax.” Just like any rule, it depends on what the words say. If you had a regulation that described the rules of a school yard game of tag, and went on for pages and pages describing the boundaries of the game as being the outer boundaries of the school yard and that only people particpating in the game could be “it” or that the game had to end when recess was over, you would not have done anything to restrict the game but you would have used up a lot of useless pages.

Oh, and many if not most pages of regulations are demanded by the people subject to regulation so they can figure out the exact parameters of the rules so they can figure out where the loop holes are. It is seriously disturbing.

Lots of pages of regulations may help keep lawyers in business, but it doesn’t have to have any connection at all with strict regulation of activities.

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-09-04 12:13:58

Polly, I understand all that, but it doesn’t help any. You seem to be admitting that there are a lot of useless and/or ineffective regulations. So who in the future is going to define which rules are worthwhile and reasonable and which are not? Or should we just prohibit everything, so as not to take any chances?

 
Comment by exeter
2009-09-04 12:20:07

Polly….

Logic and the written word is not a corporatist apologists strong suit.

 
Comment by tresho
2009-09-05 01:47:41

Then when regulations aren’t carried out, you have this (from K. Denninger’s market-ticker:
Sept. 3 (Bloomberg) — A U.S. judge refused to dismiss a lawsuit against Moody’s Investors Service Inc. and Standard & Poor’s, rejecting arguments that investors can’t sue over deceptive ratings of private-placement notes because those opinions are protected by free-speech rights.

Right.

The essence of this situation lies with willful blindness. We know (because they have disclosed it), for instance, that some of these ratings agencies knew of “errors and omissions” in their models for a material amount of time before they told anyone.

We also know that they literally made up missing data (e.g. incomes on NINJA loans) to fill in.

And we know that the raters “worked with” the data and the submitters (the banks) to massage the data to get the output they wanted (that vaunted “AAA”)

The gist of it? Right here:

Without ruling on the merits of the lawsuit, the judge also said opinions by the ratings companies may be the basis for a lawsuit “if the speaker does not genuinely and reasonably believe it or if it is without basis in fact.”

 
 
 
 
Comment by CentralCoastDude
2009-09-04 07:59:59

W strikes again!!

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-09-04 09:26:23

Only in crazy FED land can we “emerge” from a Recession without any real improvement in anything (the rate of decline is slowing, but we’re still heading off into the abyss) to then enter into “new” recession immediately afterwards.

My prediction: 1 or 2 quarters of “no recession” (even though nothing will really change) just so we don’t have one really huge Recession that rivals the Great Depression in length. No, they’ll break it up into smaller, never-ending recessions so things look nice in the history books!

Comment by packman
2009-09-04 09:38:48

Seems like the problem is a matter of definition. The Fed/MSM/etc. present Recession in terms of “the act of recessing”, whereas the public wants to think of it as “the state of being recessed”.

Thus when the Fed/MSM/etc. tout that “the recession is over” people want to think that we actually have recovered, when in reality we’re still in the slump and just beginning a recovery.

As a clear example - take the great depression. In official terms it started in 1929 and was actually over in 1932, with another short recession in 1938. But in reality we were in a state of being depressed from about 1930 until about 1946.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 03:07:27

Women gain as men lose jobs
USA TODAY

Women are on the verge of outnumbering men in the workforce for the first time, a historic reversal caused by long-term changes in women’s roles and massive job losses for men during this recession.

Women held 49.83% of the nation’s 132 million jobs in June and they’re gaining the vast majority of jobs in the few sectors of the economy that are growing, according to the most recent numbers available from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

That’s a record high for a measure that’s been growing steadily for decades and accelerating during the recession. At the current pace, women will become a majority of workers in October or November. The data for July will be released Friday.

“It was a long historical slog to get to this point,” says labor economist Heidi Hartmann, president of the Institute for Women’s Policy Research.

The change reflects the growing importance of women as wage earners, but it doesn’t show full equality, Hartmann says. On average, women work fewer hours than men, hold more part-time jobs and earn 77% of what men make, she says. Men also still dominate higher-paying executive ranks.

Women have been a growing share of the once heavily male labor force for nearly a century, recording big bumps during epochal events such as the Depression and World War II.

This time, the boost came from a severe recession that has been brutal on male-dominated professions such as construction and manufacturing.

Through June, men have lost 74% of the 6.4 million jobs erased since the recession began in December 2007. Men have lost more than 3 million jobs in construction and manufacturing alone.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-09-04 04:57:06

Hey fellas, if this keeps up we can be like them young dudes in Japan!
And just think of it ladies, there will be no need to worry about us leaving ‘the seat’ up anymore!

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 05:50:53

edge, that story was weird. Bras and all that crap. Weird.

Comment by cougar91
2009-09-04 06:37:10

Get in touch with your feminine side, Ate. :-)

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 06:42:30

That ain’t funny coug!! :)

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-04 06:56:28

I look forward to a future when the men relax at home, wearing bras, and the women run the show. Men have been going to work for 10,000 years. We’ve done all we can do, it’s time for someone else to take the reins. It’s our turn to be pampered.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 06:59:39

Queen for a day!!! :)

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-09-04 17:09:21

“Men have been going to work for 10,000 years” Depends on how you define work.

What do you think women have been doing for the past 10,000 years?

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 17:40:21

Being the most beautiful creatures on Earth, and the reason a man finds meaning in his life, so he can cherish them and hold hands with them, would be my immediate guess.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-04 17:53:47

Uh, yeah. What ATE said.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-04 18:30:16

Uh, yeah. …Pandering…

Not that I mind. I never object to good pandering. :)

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2009-09-04 05:26:00

On average, women work fewer hours than men, hold more part-time jobs

ding ding ding. The study only tracked the # of women, not the amount of income.

By the way, I could never understand this 77% income number. Is that an overall average? Is is adjusted for the same job with the same experience? I’ve seen both.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 06:17:20

“On average, women work fewer hours than men…”

Judging from my own personal data sample of size four or so, plus imminently reasonable assumptions, I am guessing this definition of ‘work’ does not include ‘housework’?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 06:19:36

The other big elephant under the rug: Volunteer work. I am guessing female volunteer hours far outnumber male volunteer hours?

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Comment by cougar91
2009-09-04 06:35:55

Yes, gals are just nicer and kinder than guys are, on average.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 09:16:37

“…gals are just nicer and kinder than guys are…”

Is it really just a matter of being nice? Most guys I know have little choice but to spend a large part of their weeks running in the hamster wheel. Some of them also coach soccer teams on the weekend…

 
 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-09-04 05:38:26

In my twisted view, it is another sign that the worst is yet to come. The “weak mind strong back” jobs are at the base of the labor pyramid.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-04 07:49:58

They’re also the ones you don’t want unoccupied and pissed-off.

Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-09-04 09:57:59

Very good point.

Now where or where did I put that damn sawed off 12 gauge?

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Comment by DennisN
2009-09-04 11:09:10

An 18″ barrel is legal - and gets the job done. No need for an illegal short barrel.

Also see my comment on grapeshot in replica 19th century cannon somewhere below in the bitch bucket.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-09-04 07:27:22

Well, us guys can start our own businesses (that us, those of us who saw this coming and saved in diverse asset classes).

 
Comment by exeter
2009-09-04 12:18:39

Typically women are cheaper. More and cheaper slaves for the corporatist slavery system.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 03:19:30

1.3 million to lose jobless benefits by year’s end.
USA Today

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. — Jobless since January, Donald Money has already moved in with his elderly parents, stopped going to the movies and started using less of his prescription medication so it will last longer.

This month, something else will fall by the wayside: Money’s unemployment check. The 43-year-old former printing press operator is among the more than 1.3 million Americans whose unemployment insurance benefits will run out by the end of the year, placing extra strain on an economy that is just starting to recover from the worst downturn in a generation.

These are the most unfortunate of America’s 14.5 million jobless: the ones whose benefits are drying up — in some cases after a record 18 months of government support.

With savings depleted and job opportunities scarce, people …. are living with relatives and borrowing cash from friends. They are even skipping meals. Through it all, they are trying to stay positive through exercise and prayer.

The government said Thursday that 570,000 laid-off workers filed new claims for unemployment benefits last week, bringing the number of people receiving benefits to 6.23 million. The Labor Department is expected to report Friday that the August unemployment rate rose to 9.5%, up from 9.4% in July.

Money and others like him are scrambling to find work before the government safety net is taken away. On a recent day in Jacksonville, Money attended a church-run job fair in a half-vacant shopping mall. Most of the vendors were vocational schools trolling for students, or recruiters for the military and fast food joints.

Money, who was laid off from a printing business, said he’ll do anything for a paycheck.

“I’m tired of not working,” he sighed. “I just can’t sit at home anymore.”

People who lost white-collar jobs seem most surprised by the dire circumstances they are finding themselves in as unemployment benefits dry up. Before the recession and financial crisis, it had always been easy for them to find work.

Clifford Sheffield, 43, of Fernandina Beach, Fla., used to earn $2,000 a week as an analyst for Merrill Lynch’s Jacksonville office.

Today, he lives off of a $1,300 monthly check from the government — and is burning through his savings to keep up with rent. The unemployment benefits run out later this month.

At a recent job fair, he perused applications for Valu Pawn and Taco Bell, but did not fill them out.

“I have family I could fall back on, but it’s not very appealing,” Sheffield said.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 05:03:11

..Money, who was laid off from a printing business, said he’ll do anything for a paycheck…

I have to wonder if minimum wage laws (Jacksonville, Florida and federal are $7.25 hr. San Francisco’s is $9.79 hr.) make it impossible for some businesses to hire guys like this in an economic climate like this..

Comment by skroodle
2009-09-04 06:03:58

Jobs exempt from minimum wage laws aren’t showing any increases either.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 12:23:25

Hey joey, thanks for the explanation re “tin foil hat”. That is weird. Figured it came from somewhere…

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 13:04:08

Ever tried living off min wage? Get real.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-09-04 14:26:31

One can easily live off minimum wage- as long as housing expenses are zero. The problem is finding such a scenario. Illegal immigrants have found that 30 people to a studio apt will suffice.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-04 18:26:32

mom and dad’s basement?

 
 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-09-04 05:05:30

And it’s September, only just going into the seasonally slow fall and winter.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-04 07:55:46

And the pace of people leaving will pick up. The worst thing about such migrations is that the more energetic, optimistic, entrepreneurial, and/or smart tend to pack up and seek greener pastures. Those left behind are the opposites. Until a hurricane forces them to their next locale.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-09-04 12:47:38

The worst thing about such migrations is that the more energetic, optimistic, entrepreneurial, and/or smart tend to pack up and seek greener pastures.

Really ?

facts emotions are skewed.

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Comment by Al
2009-09-04 05:10:20

“Money, who was laid off from a printing business, said he’ll do anything for a paycheck.”

“Most of the vendors were …., or recruiters for the military…..”

Problem solved.

Comment by polly
2009-09-04 05:23:39

He’s 43. Do they let you start at 43?

Comment by skroodle
2009-09-04 06:05:07

They changed the rules lately, I think 42 is the tops, however, they deduct any years of prior service.

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Comment by Al
2009-09-04 06:12:32

I looked around and found a reference saying age 42 is the max. Problem not solved. Soooo close.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-04 07:59:10

We need a Codger Corps. Send them out to make sure the soup’s hot and the kids are keeping their pants pulled up.

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-09-04 12:48:58

Or codger corp to monitor vodka drinking from butt cleavage.

ala mercenary corp.

 
 
Comment by NJRenter
2009-09-04 07:12:48

Polly,

I just saw your posting yesterday. Looks like we both used to work for the same benevolent R.C. (recently replaced by the not-so-benevolent J.S.). Shoot me an email sometime and let me know how that experience helped you out.

formersc (at) gmail.com

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 05:51:01

“1.3 million to lose jobless benefits by year’s end.”

Would this also result in a drop in the ‘number of unemployed workers’ (not to mention the unemployment rate, assuming no further layoffs from now until year end)?

Comment by Mr. Drysdale
2009-09-04 06:39:24

I was thinking the same thing . . .

Green shoots!

This guy does have printing experience - hmmmm where might that come in handy?

Comment by DennisN
2009-09-04 09:10:27

Mint is a cash crop in Idaho….

Cash is a mint crop other places. ;)

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Comment by In Colorado
2009-09-04 11:29:42

I thought that the unemployment rate was calculated via phone surveys.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 06:00:24

“The Labor Department is expected to report Friday that the August unemployment rate rose to 9.5%, up from 9.4% in July.”

It should be a good day on Wall Street, as a “larger than expected” increase in the unemployment rate is clearly a sign the economy is bottoming out.

* WALL STREET JOURNAL
* SEPTEMBER 4, 2009, 8:56 A.M. ET

Job Losses Moderate, but Unemployment Rate Hits 9.7%

By MAYA JACKSON RANDALL

WASHINGTON — U.S. job losses softened last month but the unemployment rate soared to its highest level since June 1983, proving that it will take some time for the ailing labor market to recover from the worst financial crisis in decades.

Nonfarm payrolls declined 216,000 last month compared to a revised 276,000 drop in July, the Labor Department said Friday. The August drop is smaller than the 233,000 decline economists in a Dow Jones Newswires survey had expected.

Even though the loss is huge by historical standards, it’s an improvement; monthly job cuts earlier in the year totaled as much as 700,000. The economy has lost 7.4 million jobs since the recession started in December 2007.

The unemployment rate, calculated using a survey of households as opposed to companies, grew to 9.7%, the highest level since June 1983 when the rate was 10.1%. In July, the unemployment rate had declined for the first time since April 2008. The unemployment rate was under 6% less than one year ago.

Comment by potential buyer
2009-09-04 07:22:36

Anyone know what California’s latest figures are? It was 11.7% in Silicon Valley, but needs updating.

My concern about being unemployed is really all about health insurance. Its very affordable right now because of the government subsidy, but not sure how long they will extend it for, if at all. I would be paying about $400 a month just for myself. I can live off unemployment, but not pay for health insurance.

I’m no longer a spring chicken, so it behooves me to have something………:-)

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 07:41:35

you qualify for COBRA?

Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1985

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Comment by potential buyer
2009-09-04 08:12:24

Doesn’t everyone qualify if their company paid benefits? Sorry, not sure what you mean.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2009-09-04 08:14:43

Sorry. Now I get it……:-)
I should actually read instead of skimming.

 
Comment by TPS_Reports
2009-09-04 08:31:30

“Doesn’t everyone qualify if their company paid benefits? Sorry, not sure what you mean.”

Not if your company has fewer than 20 employees and not if the plan ceases to exist (company closes, cancels health insurance for all). Also if you move to a different area you may not be covered.

 
Comment by drumminj
2009-09-04 18:26:33

Not if your company has fewer than 20 employees and not if the plan ceases to exist

Not quite true. My company “died”, but I still have COBRA 11 months later. The benefits administrator still exists (ADP Totalsource). I’m still covered after moving from Texas to Seattle, WA. Granted, they had to switch plans for me, but it’s all good (give or take)

 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-09-04 12:51:13

Are you even a chicken or a rooster or capon?

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Comment by rms
2009-09-04 06:53:21

“People who lost white-collar jobs seem most surprised by the dire circumstances they are finding themselves in as unemployment benefits dry up. Before the recession and financial crisis, it had always been easy for them to find work.”

Easy work is hard to find while hard work is easy to find. The office paddies will start sounding like po’folks before this depression is over.

Comment by innocent bystander
2009-09-04 09:14:52

Everything doesn’t break down so easy as that. You sound very smug. It is not true that all the unemployed people are a bunch of lazy, unskilled dead wood and all the employed are top of the line, highly ethical, incredibly hard workers. That is just a self-serving means to feel scorn for others rather than compassion.

Comment by rms
2009-09-04 20:00:05

FWIW, I’ve been forced to move where the winters are 7-months long because of the housing bubble in California during the dot-com era. I had to give-up on a higher education dream in order to support my family without becoming a public parasite. I have never been unemployed for more than 45-days, ever. If I lost my current job I’d return to the military, likely as an instructor. I have little respect for people who gleefully bury themselves in debt, and then walk-away when the economy tosses them a curve. Now I’m forced as a taxpayer to prop-up these same reckless borrowers? Sorry, my compassion has been exhausted.

Do realize though that I’m a very generous annual contributor to my alma mater, Cal Poly SLO. I am willing to support those who are willing to better themselves.

Unemployed? Man-up, grow a pair, and tell your wife she is going to have to get used to life without mom being 10-minutes away. There are plenty of jobs out there, but you’ll have to move.

BTW, I don’t consider myself smug.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-09-04 07:41:18

“I have family I could fall back on, but it’s not very appealing,” Sheffield said.

Betting everything on a V-shaped recover.

What most surprises and then saddens me is the complete lack of adjustment to the situation. Since I see this as a paradigm shifting unwind my reaction to a loss of income, especially in an industry that wasn’t going to be quickly adding jobs back, would be to switch my housing situation to somehing much cheaper. I’d be laser focused on getting the most bang out of the limited amount of income and finite savings I did have left to spend w/in an unknowable amount of time. These people are making no changes while they hope jobs return and their former lifestyle can go unalterred.

That’s the part of the MSM cheerleading that is criminal. People are not making choices based on reality. This will not end well.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-04 08:07:23

Many people and businesses are betting on a V shaped recovery. They have no plan B. I also think we’ve got a generation that doesn’t know how to live ‘poor’. They think the dollar menu is the cheapest eating there is, and life without cable/cell/etc? Unimaginable.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 10:48:51

CarrieAnn, you are so 100% right.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-09-04 11:46:29

Some of these people are paying mortgages on homes they cannot, or will not, sell. They will burn through all of their reserves, then still lose the house because the jobs simply ARE NOT there. The fact that the MSM and the government are pimping the purchase of a house in this environment IS criminal. What’s really scary is places like NV, where prices are down more than 50%, have a record number of NOD’s and foreclosures in the pipeline. Think about that. What does that say for future prices? We’re not even halfway through this housing crisis, and the more expensive properties are the ones now showing up on the foreclosure front. I believe that the worst loan losses lie ahead for the banks. I also think the government’s only hope is inflation, and they know it. They’re going to light up those printing presses like there’s no tomorrow. The fundamental problem, as was discussed in an article recently: the FED’s understanding of, and tools to deal with, a deflationary spiral are limited. We are in uncharted territory here. The pigmen did a real number on us this time.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 18:13:19

Ain’t you right Griz.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 03:53:32

Capmark May Signal More Bank Failures From Commercial Property

Sept. 4 (Bloomberg) — Capmark Financial Group Inc.’s possible collapse may signal a new wave of real estate losses for banks — this one tied to business property — that could push the year’s tally of failures past 100.

Capmark, ranked among the largest U.S. commercial real estate lenders by Moody’s Investors Service, posted a $1.6 billion quarterly loss on Sept. 2 and said it might go bankrupt. The Horsham, Pennsylvania-based company struggled as the default rate on commercial mortgages held by U.S. banks more than doubled to the highest since 1994.

“We haven’t really experienced the full extent of the distress,” said Sam Chandan, chief economist at property research firm Real Estate Econometrics LLC in New York. “When you look at community banks and some smaller regional banks, they tend to have a far greater concentration in terms of their exposure to commercial real estate.”

Lenders are still reeling from residential real estate losses that helped push U.S. bank failures to 84 so far this year. The tally included Colonial BancGroup Inc., the sixth- largest failure in the history of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. The total may rise late Friday, when the agency customarily announces the week’s shutdowns.

Bank failures last topped 100 in 1992, when at least 179 were seized, according to FDIC data. Chairwoman Sheila Bair has said more collapses are likely, and the agency’s list of “problem banks” stands at 416, the most in 15 years.

Commercial Holdings

Capmark’s holdings include a banking unit based in Salt Lake City with $11.1 billion in assets and a “well- capitalized” ranking from its regulators, according to the bank’s Web site. Deposits stood at $8.4 billion on June 30, according to the Horsham, Pennsylvania-based company’s quarterly statement.

U.S. banks hold about $1.087 trillion of commercial property loans, almost 15 percent of their loans and leases, according to Real Estate Econometrics. Stress tests conducted by regulators in May found that the largest U.S. financial firms could face losses of $53 billion tied to commercial real estate.

Late payments on a commercial loan two years ago typically were cured with no damage to the lender, Chandan said. Now, amid the worst economic slump since the Great Depression, bankers are finding late payments are more likely to signal an actual loss is brewing, he said.

Comment by Jim A.
2009-09-04 04:42:46

Yet another “containment” levee fails, as the credit collapse spreads to CRE right on schedule.

Comment by Al
2009-09-04 05:13:47

But heh, the recession is over so this should all resolve itself in the next couple of quarters right?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 06:10:13

Just remember what my grandma’s placard said:

“A watched pot never boils.”

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-09-04 06:19:59

Or is that:

A watched pot can’t be smoked yet?

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-09-04 23:38:10

Watch me smoke this pot. :)

 
 
Comment by tresho
2009-09-04 09:25:33

Just remember what my grandma’s placard said:

“A watched pot never boils.”

She must have been watching the wrong pots. The pots I watch boil, especially when I turn the heat up to 11, or even to 20. When I turn the heat up to 30, the pots melt.

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 09:54:44

:)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Silverback1011
2009-09-04 04:03:49

Ah ha ! I am not the firstiest of the first, but I am the fourthiest of the fourth. Almost the first post. But the fourth is not bad. To make this post fit the parameters of the HBB,I will write the word ” houses. ” There. Now, it’s appropriately apropos. Gold’s still going up in Hong Kong, though I noticed this morning. I wonder what will happen today in N.Y. trading.

Comment by Al
2009-09-04 05:20:01

Well according to my count, your fourth post comes after five posts. But no fourth post in the sixth position would be complete without at least one reply, so just to be sure, I’m replying. Since I can’t think of anything clever to say, I’ll just go with something obvious. Let’s see. Houses and gold are toooo expensive, but houses are getting cheaper while gold is getting more expensive. I expect there will be some trading in today in NY trading.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-09-04 05:46:05

Al, an excellent reply. The gold market, I might add, might not do what it did yesterday, but it could.

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-09-04 05:54:55

But on the other hand, a thumb and four fingers.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 17:14:20

And now for something completely different.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 06:02:51

Just a hunch, but I expect the central banking cartel members to let gold run up a bit more before they hammer the price back down by dumping supply on the world market. Gold bugs kindly provide a very convenient pressure relief valve for the international banking system.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 06:12:24

market pulse

Sep 4, 2009, 1:08 a.m. EST
Gold futures fall more than $6 in electronic trade
By Myra P. Saefong

TOKYO (MarketWatch) — December gold traded down $6.60 at $991.10 an ounce in Globex electronic trading Friday afternoon in Tokyo, after tapping a low of $990.80. The price retreat followed a Thursday close of $997.70 in New York, the highest level in six months. Front-month gold futures haven’t topped $1,000 since February. But “low interest rates should keep investment demand high,” analysts at Credit Suisse wrote in a note to clients Friday in Asia. “Price risks are skewed to the upside.”

Comment by arizonadude
2009-09-04 06:36:27

Cash4gold.com is hiring.Gold was a good buy at 250, not 1000.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 04:09:37

Food stamp list soars past 35 million: USDA

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - More than 35 million Americans received food stamps in June, up 22 percent from June 2008 and a new record as the country continued to grapple with the worst recession since the Great Depression of the 1930s.

The food stamp program, which helps cover the cost of groceries for one in nine Americans, has grown in step with the U.S. unemployment rate which stood at 9.4 percent in July.

The Labor Department will release August employment figures on Friday.

June was the seventh straight month in which food stamp rolls set a record. The average benefit in June was $133.12 per person.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 04:45:46

average $133 a month.. IIRC my (unmarried and no kids) homeless friend in san francisco said he gets about $400.

The breakdown from Wikipedia:

According to the United States Department of Agriculture, statistics for the food stamp program are as follows:[6]

* 51 percent of all participants are children (17 or younger), and 65 percent of them live in single-parent households.
* 55 percent of food stamp households include children.
* 9 percent of all participants are elderly (age 60 or over).
* 79 percent of all benefits go to households with children, 14 percent go to households with disabled persons, and 7 percent go to households with elderly persons.
* 36 percent of households with children were headed by a single parent, the overwhelming majority of whom were women.
* The average household size is 2.3 persons.
* The average gross monthly income per food stamp household is $640.
* 41 percent of participants are white; 36 percent are African-American, non-Hispanic; 18 percent are Hispanic; 3 percent are Asian, 2 percent are Native American, and 1 percent are of unknown race or ethnicity.

Comment by palmetto
2009-09-04 05:00:38

I was watching a swine flu pronouncement on the teevee from a CDC or some such goobermint official, you know, with the podium and blue curtain and goobermint symbology all around. If I recall, his message was something like “stay calm, all is well, it’s under control”. And I’m thinking, gee, where have I heard that before?

And then it struck me that I don’t believe a freakin’ thing said by just about anyone from the gubmin. In fact, my take is, if this guy is going out of his way to reassure everyone, be afraid. Be very afraid.

Information age, my patootie. Propaganda age is more like it.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 05:16:57

Right Palmy. If they say anything, the opposite is true.

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Comment by polly
2009-09-04 05:37:51

Wait, so you guys are going to panic about swine flu because someone from the CDC said not to panic? That is silly. You can ignore the CDC guy if you choose, but the proper alternative is to collect information on your own and decide whether to panic or not based on that.

Of course, most of the information available is collected and organized by the government (or funded by it if collected by private researchers), but just going into panic mode seems out of character for you two.

This is a mild flu so far that transmits fairly easily. The people who get it who are not particularly vulnerable are a danger mostly to others that are vulnerable. It looks like they are predicting this thing to hit much earlier than a normal flu season, so I doubt we will have enough vaccines available to get people taken care of before it hits. As a matter of fact, as a cube dweller who takes public transportation regularly, I bet I’ll get it before I can get vaccinated. Fortunately, I have sick days available, so I won’t get stuck giving it to another 10 or 20 people, and health insurance so if I end up being one the very few who has a bad reaction I can go to a doctor, but panic is way outside reason.

Buy some pedialite in case you get dehydrated and get mellow.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 05:53:57

Yeah polly, you’re probably right. What is “pedialite”? I’ll look it up…

 
Comment by Kim
2009-09-04 06:17:24

Well said, Polly. Swine flu vaccinations will be available in October, I believe.

Pedialite is a flavored beverage found in the kids or baby section of the pharmacy or grocery store. Its packed with good things that help if you are dehydrated.

 
Comment by Al
2009-09-04 06:23:44

Hey everyone, polly just called palmy and ATE-UP babies! Stirring the pot.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 06:48:41

Al, yeah, but she can get away with it ya know? She is one fine and smart lady. Plus, she’s right! WAH WAH :)

 
Comment by eastcoaster
2009-09-04 07:07:17

I actually think my son and I had it earlier this year. Sick as dogs - fever and respiratory infection - for about 2 weeks. I never went to the doc myself, took my son in when he started wheezing badly to get a scrip for albuterol for a nebulizer they gave him when he had a bad respiratory infection as an infant. We were able to manage the symptoms and both recovered just fine.

My nephews also got real sick - one was confirmed with swine flu, the other suspected.

Perhaps I didn’t have it, but based on all I’ve read about its symptoms and knowing how infrequently I get really kick-butt sick, I tend to lean towards it being a possibility.

But I’m not worried about it. Maybe I should be, but I’m not. Not seeking out the vaccination for me or my son (not a big fan of flu shots).

 
Comment by polly
2009-09-04 07:11:57

Yup. We are all babies when we are sick. I got a rota virus last winter and felt about 2 years old. No way around it. Get sick and get age regression.

You can probably use sports drinks if that is more manly, but the pedialyte has less sugar. I think that makes it absorb faster which makes it work better if you are dehydrated from barfing and diarrhea rather than vigorous exercise. Your choice. Plain water won’t replace the potassium.

 
Comment by NJRenter
2009-09-04 07:26:54

Polly,

I just saw your posting yesterday. Looks like we both used to work for the same benevolent R.C. (recently replaced by the not-so-benevolent J.S.). Shoot me an email sometime and let me know how that experience helped you out.

formersc (at) gmail.com

 
Comment by measton
2009-09-04 09:15:09

My brother just got over it. His quote, I was wrong about this thing being blown out of proportion. I was sick as a dog and wishing for death. Not all cases are mild and even healthy people die from this. The main problem is that no one has immunity and the number of people who are going to get infected is going to be huge. We’re in the early innings.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 11:10:44

measton: WOW. Glad your brother got over it, and that sounds bad.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 05:37:13

“Propaganda age is more like it”.

Yep, and if we are going to get bigger doses, at least lets get some type of “Baghdad Bob” czar! That guy was funny, may as well laugh at the BS.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-04 09:24:10

So if they say swine flu’s no big deal, they’re lying to us. Anf if they say it’s a very big deal, they’re fear-mongering us. Should it all be kept secret? No, that’d be a conspiracy, too. At least they’re not using different alert colors that seem to change randomly.

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Comment by potential buyer
2009-09-04 08:19:09

Joey, they are talking food stamps, not unemployment insurance, which is $425 every week (since Obama gave us the little $25 bump). I could actually live quite nicely off that if I didn’t live in Silicon Valley! Thanks to you all, I’m debt free.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 17:19:47

Not in Texas. Max benefit is $380 a week. Avg is more like $265 per week. Yes, that’s with the Obama bonus.

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Comment by polly
2009-09-04 04:47:15

OK, I’m going to take this opportunity to do my “report from Canada” after this year’s vacation. Largely observations from the Stratford Shakespeare Festival and its surrounding areas. By the way, I recommend the shows there as a fabulously good value. They aren’t cheap, though there are plenty of discount programs so you might be able to get some cheap this year. But they are a good value. The performances are fantastic and the productions don’t cut corners. You get a lot. I think that three hours drive from either Buffalo or Detroit should get you all the way there, but check that.

Comment by polly
2009-09-04 05:17:34

First installment - getting there:

I made my plans late this year. Very late. There have been years when I bought my tickets in December, but this year it was August and there were tickets available for every show I wanted to see. The last two weeks before Labor Day are traditionally the Festival’s busiest weeks, so the availability of tickets was a little surprising despite the economy. I didn’t get ideal seats for every show, but they were all just fine and some were fantastic.

I didn’t buy at the start of the summer when I had been offered 15% discounts because of questions about taking time off from work and concerns that my knee wouldn’t be up to a vacation where sitting with bent legs made up a signiifcant chunk of the activities. When I was ready to order, I called to see if I could get the 15% off again, and the local employee who answered the phone told me that I was eligible for a much larger discount on every show except West Side Story and would I like the code for that instead? I said yes. So I got over a 30% discount on nearly every ticket and still got a discount for West Side, plus an offer for a $10 gas card specifically for Americans to subsidize the drive.

I also had no problem booking round trip tickets to London, Ontario on Air Canada using their air miles program (miles transferred from American Express) despite booking just three weeks and 2 days before leaving. None of the planes was remotely full and I had a pair of seats to myself for three of the four flights. The international terminal at BWI was a ghost town at 9:00 AM on a Monday, though most of the international flights may leave later in the day, so perhaps that doesn’t mean much.

Advertising in Canadian airports is pretty much 100% financial products, mostly credit cards with miles program tie ins. I think I counted 6 or 7 different credit cards so advertised, 2 other financial services things, and one other item of interest to travellers (international cell phone access). Nothing else at all the way you would in a US airport - luggage, other airlines, luxury cars, etc. And the credit cards were in a much higher rotation than the others. The credit industry still sees Canadians as a good market to exploit, at least the ones in the Toronto airport are.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-09-04 06:13:47

In Rural Upper Canada, the housing market is going strong. There is a shortage of inventory we hear. Starter houses are in the $180K range.

Money is tight for other things though. Store closures are accelerating. The grocery giants are beginning price wars. Boating traffic was way down in Ontario and Quebec.

Comment by skb
2009-09-04 06:35:39

“But its different for Canada for housing. They needed to raise prices”…as spoken by my friend in Canada that owns a house and paid a lower price pre bubble in WINNIPEG, Manitoba of all places.
As I said “yes, your right, the wages are so much higher in Canada”. ( she agreed) lol

I tend to not bother to argue with my Canadian people anymore, they agree the recession but deny that the prices of their homes with fall.

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 06:55:42

Glad you had a nice time polly. Good reporting, too.

 
 
Comment by polly
2009-09-04 06:23:14

Second installment - the town.

There have definitely been some store closings since last year. I knew about my favorite one closing as I was on an e-mail list. A jewelry store closed too, but someone told me that it was because the owner died. The main street is still pretty full, but some of that is stores that used to have more space on side streets moving into smaller locations on the main drag. That, of course, means that the places that used to be in their spots are closed or moved, so you are getting a very natural evolution of a downtown area. Seems to me that the places that are surviving are skewed to the older (oh, look, a little fabric coaster to protect the furniture from your tea mug that is infused with a cinnamon smell) crowd, but that is just me. The toy stores and book stores also seem fine.

I think that places are keeping shorter hours than they used to. I actually talked to one of the bookstore owners about it. He said that they could get lots of traffic after 5:00, but few people bought anything. It was just browsing to kill time before dinner and the cost of employees and “damages” (I think he meant stealing because it is a little hard to seriously damage a used book) outweighed any sales. However, for him, this isn’t anything new. That store has closed right around 5 for years. The others used to stay open until 8 or close to it every night except Sunday and Monday. A few still do, but not as many.

I chatted with a few merchants. They agreed that people were just spending less. I got the impression that this was particularly true with Americans. Hey, the dollars are pretty much at parity right now. People were awfully pleased with me when I told them I was spending the rest of my Canadian cash before I left.

The Festival’s largest theater has kicked its gift shop out of the lobby space to a spot across the parking lot in favor of a little cafe with hugely overpriced snacks and drinks. Guess the profit his higher on cheap wine in tiny plastic glasses than it is on t-shirts. Imagine that.

Speaking of the Festival, they had people fill out “economic impact” surveys during intermission of each show. I thnk they are trying to convince the government that they “earn” their arts subsidy back in increased economic activity. Unfortunately, I filled one out on my first day and forgot to do it again on the last day when I had actually spent some money. Oops.

Restaurants were not as crowded as ususal despite the theaters being almost full. Not sure how that worked. People were picnicing, but I have always seen that. Saw a few parties doing it with a bunch of pizza boxes this year - that is new.

Didn’t particularly notice a lot more for sale signs on houses in Stratford, though I didn’t look for them either. There were more in the London the subdivision where I was staying including a “new price” sign right across the street and a hand made “for rent” sign a few blocks away. This isn’t a place where you expect to see much for rent. They aren’t McMansions, but they are the predecessors to them - 4 bedrooms with 2 car garages and perhaps a sweeping staircase and a double height foyer as well as a dining room and eat in kitchen and master suites with their own baths - nice upper middle class houses for professionals who are well established in their careers.

 
Comment by polly
2009-09-04 08:14:34

Third installment - too close to home.

I stayed with the parents/in-laws of some dear friends who live on Long Island. They bought a large, old, quirky house that suits them completely. They have a child. She is a fabulous corporate attorney. He has a small business with some partners that provides business services to a particular segment of a luxury market that until recently was growing very nicely. The house was expensive, but they put down over 25% and my best guess is the mortgage was about 2 times their combined income at the time, at least 2/3’s of it hers. Now she has been laid off and his income is down as clients are paying late on old contracts and reducing the services they want on new ones.

Last time I visited, she presented a fairly rosy picture. Her in-laws presented a much gloomier one, though without details and I’m not even sure how many details they know. I do know that there must at least have been discussions about what to do if they have to walk away from the house. You guessed it - Mom and Dad’s fairly spacious basement. It makes a lot of sense as some of his business partners are in the area and all three of them can get medical coverage in Canada, but it takes her away from where she has any job contacts.

His father was clearly trying to understand the hiring process for lawyers who do what she does/I used to do. I tried to explain to him the delicacy of working with head hunters and the extraordinary combination of luck and being prepared to take advantage of that luck that brought me to my current job, but I’m not sure it got through. I took this gig because I didn’t like what I was doing in NYC. She did like that sort of work, so it didn’t occur to her to try something totally different. I knew that I didn’t react well to being out of work, didn’t have an entrepeneurial bone in my body, and just didn’t feel like I ever wanted to face being out of work again. She didn’t have my fragility or memory of being house poor as a kid or whatever you want to call it, so she stayed with it. But the world has changed and those jobs as transactional attorneys have become boom and bust positions without the multimillion dollar bonuses that the bankers get. It is hard to feel sorry for people who have made so much money in the past, but when highly qualified professionals can’t safely take on a mortgage at 2 times their income, we are living in a whole new world. One that a lot of people aren’t going to be able to navigate safely.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 08:38:54

“Third installment - too close to home”.
Polly, that is a shame, and I wish your friend and her husband the very best.

I quit my job in a litigation firm because of nepotism ( boss daughter = boss, boss daughter chiropractor lover, who is a bling dude, (Mercedes, Gold Chains, Fancy Dogs, etc.) = boss because he won’t accept the reality of soft tissue cases in today’s recession/depression and that he has to cut his fee once in a while, so three bosses.

Miss the kids at the office, two 22 year old young ladies who are both an outstanding paralegal, and an outstanding co-op worker. They miss me, and call me Uncle Greg. (Sierra calls me at home at least every third day for some made-up reason).

I’ll never find work at 52. I was pretty good trial attorney, but Bill (Boss 1) listens to Rush Limbaugh every day when he is out to lunch, and is peed off that I stood up to him, so I blew 2 years reference.

I got Ken, (an attorney who just left office for the same reason) as a fall-back position. Plus I got great references in Florida.

Three weeks now. Haven’t even thought about looking for work, had 3 deaths, two of which I didn’t mention here to sound like a whiner, and I am drinking too much beer.

It looks bad for more people than me, that is for sure. However, if I die homeless, I did the right thing. Have a little money, less than 100K though.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 11:02:06

Please DON’T reply to this. This is not True Confessions. Just typing got carried away, want to go back to work!!!

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Comment by Carl Morris
2009-09-04 12:29:08

Sorry, gotta. You do know “too much beer” + previous addiction issues = bad news, right? None of my business, of course :-).

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 12:45:45

Carl:

I’ll answer that Carl, and was hoping for the question to clarify. That is why we are all on the same page here. My Addiction (according to my former beloved wife) was Cocaine and Narcotics. Any narcotic, any type of Cocaine, in any form.

I have 16 years clean in October, sometime off all narcotics and off the dreaded word, Cocaine. I mentally puke when I say that word, seriously.

Beer, Nah!!! I drank beer, before the trouble started, all the time 15 a week or so. Ballgames, etc.

Always loved Beer! Just now a little worried, cause drinking about 6 cans a day now.

Carl, I understand you may not have personal experience, but I got 15 people I know off the top of my head that will tell you the same thing: Don’t believe everything you hear about how recovery works. Some of this is systemic money, most of it is right, and a little is wrong.

Is it an indication of a possible problem? I don’t think so. But, you know, adddicts are great at fooling, first others, then themselves.

Thanks for bringing it up my friend, and I mean it.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 13:38:13

I mean as an afterthought I was hoping for the question. END of subject! :)

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2009-09-04 13:43:53

You’re a cool guy and I wouldn’t want you to do a “DJ AM” on us and all that work you put into getting on Oly’s good side go to waste :-).

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 14:00:03

Carl, that meant a lot to me. I will never forget it.

Your friend,

Greg

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 17:25:38

Don’t feel too bad Ate-Up, I just turned 50 and you have about 100K more to your name than I do. :lol:

So you got that going for you.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 17:52:48

Your cool eco. I don’t care who does/doesn’t have money, being a friend is all that counts. Plus, you got two years on me.

Funny, though, how money rules everything, you know eco? Simple money. No matter how you get it,

Darryll Hall had a song “Money Changes Everything”. Outstanding artist.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 17:54:18

your=tired=you’re

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 18:47:45

Hall and Oates. A very quirky duo. I liked ‘em, but not everything they did.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-04 18:51:44

Sorry, gotta. You do know “too much beer” + previous addiction issues = bad news, right? None of my business, of course :-).

ATE, I’m going to have to go with Carl in this matter, and furthermore, I think this should mark Carl out as a potentially sterling ‘A-plus+’ friend, because only ‘A-plus+’ friends point out what you don’t want to see, and then stick by their guns and say it anyway.

ATE, if you are drinking a 6-pack a day by accident, then maybe you oughtta settle down a tad?
Now, nobody loves beer more than me, but still…
…I’m just sayin’, is all.
And I want the best for you, as I want the best for all good folks, so please understand that.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-04 19:09:05

Money Changes Everything- Cyndi Lauper does the best version but it was written by Tom Grey of the Brains. (I just looked it up, I thought Cyndi wrote it.) It’s a great and true tune. Cyndi Lauper has done some great stuff. It’s a shame she’s mostly known for “Girls Just Wanna Have Fun”.
Hey ATE, have you checked out temp legal jobs? I have one friend who last I heard only did temp legal gigs, another found full time employment through it. Easy way to dip your toe in the water. Sometimes the first step is the hardest.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-04 19:17:18

Is it alright to drink a six-pack a day on purpose?

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-04 19:26:25

Is it alright to drink a six-pack a day on purpose?

I sure as fook hope so, because otherwise I’m a’gonna have to find a better excuse. Like being all melancholy and stuff.
:)

 
Comment by robiscrazy
2009-09-04 20:40:32

I’m going to drink a six pack this weekend in honor of Black Flag and Henry Rollins.

Then I’m going to have a nervous breakdown to remember Keith Morris.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-09-05 07:30:19

Just remember ATE its really not about age………we have dumbed down our country so much

people are Scared to death of hiring anyone smart today.

We have No leaders, gawd i wish i could find a mentor with some ballz today.

At least you have references, I really don’t have anyone to look up to.

 
 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-04 09:07:01

Excellent, excellent posts, polly. Thanks.

 
Comment by Mot
2009-09-04 16:01:17

The bankers were salespeople on commission. The lawyers were hourly workers.

 
 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-09-04 10:10:24

You’re right you can get there < 3 hrs. from either Buffalo or DeeeTroit. Nice to hear a good report from someone visiting my neck of the woods…I live in Kitchener about 25 miles from Stratford. You should check out Niagara region and the Shaw festival too sometime if you haven’t done so. Good stuff. Then you could do our Oktoberfest and check out Kitchener/Waterloo too…

Comment by polly
2009-09-04 10:36:21

I’ve been to Shaw. Not in a few years though.

I like Stratford better than Niagra-on-the-Lake. Niagra has been a tourist town for sooooo long. Stratford is a light industrial town with a tourist attraction pasted into the downtown area. Big difference.

I am not going to be on vacation in October/November as near as I can tell. Going to be very, very, very busy at work. But I loved the weather you guys had last week. Highs ranged from 15 to 24. Cool in the shade. Warmer in the sun. Limited humidity. I slept next to an open window all week and it was the best sleep I’ve had in ages.

 
 
Comment by polly
2009-09-04 10:19:05

Fourth installment - HBB lit crit.

Ok, I’m not a pro at literary criticism. I’ve heard a few of the terms and had a college roommate who took it and made fun of it quite a bit. But you can make this stuff up, can’t you? After all, it is lit crit. So I’ll give it a whirl.

Macbeth - This play is usually about ambition and greed - as close as Shakespeare really gets to a tragic hero whose flaw is the classic Greek flaw of hubris. OK, maybe Timon of Athens, but who pays any attention to that one?

This show was about fear. Our thane was scared of losing what he already had and, more importantly, scared of not getting what he thought he deserved or was owed. The weird sisters weren’t dressed up as real estate agents or mortgage brokers, but they might as well have been. Once he heard their promises, he was terrified of not getting what they predicted. Murder Duncan or be priced out forever!

Later, the show was about NOT being wary when it was most appropriate. You don’t have to worry about anything until a forest comes up the hill and can’t be harmed by a man born of woman, so, nothing to worry about at all, right? Witches are never deceptive. Your first interpretation will always hold firm. And real estate always goes up, so nothing to worry about. Until there is. Oops.

Julius Caesar - This show is about politics, right? Well, it is and it isn’t. The most interesting part isn’t the actualy political speeches, it is the reaction of the crowd to the political speeches. In this production, the crowd was often sent out into the audience, standing in the aisles, yelling their reations. What struck me (OK, yeah, this part is sort of partisan) is that Brutus and Antony did all their manipulation of the crowd with changes of emphasis and some rhetorical flourishes, but no flat out lies. They didn’t need them. And they assumed that their audience would call them on it if they lied. Caesar was ambitious. He did refuse a crown offered to him by Antony. No lies. I wish our “mob” was so well informed that no one would dare lie to us.

West Side Story - What a difference looking at this one as an adult, rather than as a child! Romeo and Juliet is a small play about children who could have stopped a long time feud between their self-important fathers if their adult friend, Friar Lawrence hadn’t been such a coward. Great poetry, not much substance.

West Side Story deals with the ever replayed story of America. How do the children of immigrants (some of the parents of the Jets still attend English classes at night) deal with the next generation of immigrants when they arrive? Is the next wave of immigrants your enemy or your dearest love? I had no idea there was so much in the text. Friar Lawrence the ninny is transformed to Doc, the quiet moral center of the play. He doesn’t really stand up to the kids, but they all recognize his store as neutral territory. He gave Tony a job despite the fact that he was one of the founders of the gang that Doc disappoves of so much. He gave Tony a real second chance and he tells the kids when they are behaving like hooligans. They need to hear it from someone.

And “Officer Krupke” is an anthem for our times. Not literally. In a country where we are willing to try very young kids as adults in criminal court, I don’t see that people are making excuses for kids in quite the way described. There are plenty of shrinks and social workers involved with children, of course, but mostly before they are arrested. But the whole shift the blame mentality of the song? It is all over the place. It’s the Fed’s fault, no the investment bankers, no the rating agencies, no the loan originators, no the people who signed the papers, etc. The song ends in a circle (the kid goes from a judge to a psychiatrist to a social worker who recommends a year in jail, which would be back to the judge) and we are in some sort of loop too. Also the kid in the song knows exactly what is going on as he transforms his story based on who he is talking to. He knows how to manipulate the system. And the whole thing ends on a fake expletive (Krup, you). Very satisfying. The highlight of the second act.

I can’t shoe horn the other shows into an HBB flavored interpretation without really going over the top. So I’ll stop here.

It was a great vacation.

Comment by DennisN
2009-09-04 11:21:28

If you want Greek-tragedy-hubris, pay attention to the French noblemen in Henry V. ;)

Comment by polly
2009-09-04 11:37:40

Yeah, he could write the character trait. No question. Just didn’t use it much in his tragic heroes. They are more complex than the Greek guys. Makes for more interesting 10th grade English papers, anyway.

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Comment by palmetto
2009-09-04 05:21:57

I’m gonna get so flamed by the neoliberals for this, considering the publisher. But I’ve been reading the old Greek for years. Anyhoo, this scientist says exactly what I’ve been saying for a long time, SSRIs make people not give a crap what they do.

http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/the_myth_of_technological_progress/

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 06:16:26

what a downer.. so depressing to think we’ve not accomplished anything of importance in the last 50 years. Certainly nothing was accomplished by his writing that article.

Speaking of SSRIs, that guy needs a dose of Prozac, imo.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-09-04 06:18:23

It is not so much not giving a crap, as it is not having insight. If you cannot process multiple layers of cause and effect, it only appears that you do not give a crap.

 
Comment by tresho
2009-09-04 09:21:41

That article came close to losing me with his The world of 1959 is pretty much the same world we live in today technologically speaking. No, the 2009 world isn’t the same as the 1959 one. Things have changed. A lot. Funny his article was posted on the internet & widely available to us readers only because of that technology. The subtitle of that webpage the article appears on is, ironically, “`cause paper’s overrated”.
SSRIs make people not give a crap what they do. That’s one way to look at SSRIs. Take that point of view, and you’ll get what you get. A different aspect is that SSRIs may reduce anxiety, meaningless fear that structures many people’s lives, and that under the effect of SSRIs they may decide to live different, and perhaps better, lives. I think social phenomena such as conspicuous consumption, social climbing, compulsive shopping, etc. may be driven by anxiety.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 17:28:56

…and that anxiety is driven by advertising. The best psycho warfare ever created in the history of mankind.

 
 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 05:24:14

..More OT than the Shakespearean festival thing above..

Last time I bought a 20 lb bag of potatoes from Costco a lot went bad before i had a chance to use them. At 40 cents a pound it’s a fine bargain, imo.. big perfect baking potatoes.. but i really hate to waste food.

A week ago I bought them again, but his time tried freezing a few as an experiment according to the generally accepted procedure..

Peel, rinse, and cut into slices or fries, about 1/3 inch thick.
Wash well in plain water and dry them.
Fry small quantities in 360 F oil for about 5 minutes. Don’t brown them.
Drain, let cool, package in freezer quality bags and freeze.

Defrosted a single portion-bag last night and finished frying them (can also be oven baked). Came out perfect.. yummy. They supposedly keep for two months frozen. A sub zero deep freezer might keep them a lot longer..

Comment by Lucy
2009-09-04 05:47:04

If they go bad, maybe you could still plant them?

 
Comment by yensoy
2009-09-04 06:16:08

Seriously, how much are you saving considering the cost of the fridge, electricity, ziplocs and the time spent on frying? Potatoes aren’t expensive even outside of Costco.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 06:30:04

..doubt i save anything… it’s just convenient to buy whole potatoes and choose between either baking a potato, or have frozen hash browns, fries, slices, mashed, etc and eat what I want when I want it without going to a store.

But then, what’s the price of a bag of frozen french fries or potatoes? I don’t do lots of shopping but i doubt you can get even 3 pounds for $8, much less 20.

I’ve seen recipes for potato chips but it looks kinda complicated. Surely that would be a money saver. I think chips must average about $3 for a few ounces.

 
Comment by measton
2009-09-04 09:21:09

You don’t have to process them right away, can’t potatoes be stored for long periods in a cool dark place.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 09:46:10

different sources have somewhat different opinions. According to an MSU research paper.. large, commercial bulk-storage conditions are..

36 to 40 degrees F ..
provide good ventilation, or risk “button rot” and “black heart”. Too dry and they dry out.
Fresh, stored potatoes “sweat” for weeks, giving off heat and moisture, which must be removed asap..
These same conditions happen to be ideal for the growth of fungus.. mold.. So, storage area should be disinfected first.
Doesn’t mention light although i know light turns them green and bitter tasting, and they sprout.

But still they are talking only a couple months at the most.

Partial cooking and freezing might be easier.. depends on one’s situation. I’m gonna see if they last 6 months or maybe a year.

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 06:57:30

joey that is cool. Thanks. I’ve let a bunch rot too. Kick myself in the rear. I hate to waste food.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 07:37:34

These had a lot better texture than if you just cut and fry fresh potatoes. That first frying drives out most of the water. Getting the water out is the secret behind crunchy fries, slices and especially hash browns.

As long as you don’t let them brown in the oil, the “skin” is still permeable and the second frying or baking drives out even more water.
(For baking they should be coated with oil and salted..use a plastic bag. Then put them in the oven.)

The pre-fry heat also eliminates the enzymes that make potatoes surfaces turn brown and black and get a really bad taste after they are cut… that’s what most concerned me. But i let some thaw and just sit there, and they stayed nice and white.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-09-04 09:22:55

Bulk veggie purchase at Costco isn’t that good a deal. I get 10 lbs of potatoes for $2 locally at WinCo and 50 lbs of onions for $12 at Cash & Carry. The bags of onions from Costco always seem to rot quickly . . .

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 05:48:37

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-09-04 01:03:59

So a foreclosure sale to someone other than the bank is not recorded but the bank taking the house back at the bid price is? Amazing.”

We had this brief discussion last night about how DataQuick comes up with their ‘median sales price’ statistics for San Diego, whose rising levels have been used to justify serial bottom callers’ claims that the housing market has bottomed out and a recovery is underway (despite rising unemployment and foreclosures) — see discussion towards the end of yesterday’s bits bucket or listen to the transcript of KPBS San Diego Public Radio ‘These Days’ here.

If they actually are averaging in the prices at which banks take the (unsold) house back at the bid price as though the home actually sold at that price, this could creating significant upward bias in what they report as ‘median sales price.’

I have several related questions:

1) Can anyone independently verify whether this is actually how they calculate ‘median sales price’?

2) If so, wouldn’t the resulting statistic be fraudulently misleading, due to a systematically upward-biased calculation of the median sales price?

3) Is this legal?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 09:18:50

The link I posted also provides a written transcript…

 
 
Comment by samk
2009-09-04 05:58:34

I was over at zero hedge yesterday and they had a story about Wells Fargo and their delinquent loan situation. They linked to wlmlab.com which gets it’s data from the FDIC. I had never seen that site before and it’s interesting. WF’s delinquency numbers have ballooned.

Comment by palmetto
2009-09-04 06:12:24

“WF’s delinquency numbers have ballooned.”

Maybe it should be re-named “WTF”.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 06:36:30

Well, first they absorb Wachovia and then i seee a blurb last week about WF getting set to repay the $25 billion TARP loan..

It’s really hard to tell what’s going on from appearances alone..

Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-09-04 11:02:05

Some anonymous poster on that thread made the claim WFC would file bankruptcy tomorrow at 9. Probably a joke but I did stop to considerwhat would happen next if it were true.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 11:44:35

we can hardly help but stop to consider.. kinda like the reaction to a prank phone call at midnight. The anonymity of the web brings out the inner, immature child in many people. And a lot of posters actually are immature children.

In my speaking with bank personnel and by reading the news and stuff, I’ve come to the conclusion that WF is in the top three, or is perhaps the strongest bank out there. Of course, strength is relative.

As for an FDIC insured bank attempting to declare bankruptcy? I doubt they could do it even if they want to.
afaik, the FDIC holds jurisdiction over how a bank deals with it’s problems, not some judge.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-04 18:28:19

The anonymity of the web brings out the inner, immature child in many people.

Speaking of, where’s obschina/Natalie/Danull/Sarah/ProudPwnOwner/all them others?

I haven’t hardly got a death threat for a whole week now, and it makes me feel all lonesome like.

 
Comment by robiscrazy
2009-09-04 20:46:27

Death to Shorty!

There you go. You didn’t say who the death threat should be directed at.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 06:08:34

Is there any reason to doubt that Wall Street will not have a banner day on the “higher than expected” unemployment rate announcement? (You know the drill — “bad news is already priced in, bad news is a sign the economy is bottoming, bad news provides a contrarian signal, etc. etc. etc.”)

Index Futures:
SP 500 1,009 1.60 0.16%
DOW 9,350 +20.00 +0.21%
NASDAQ 1,604 4.50 0.28%

Jobless rate hits 26-yr. high

U.S. nonfarm payrolls contract by 216,000, pushing the unemployment rate to 9.7% — its highest level in more than a quarter-century. August becomes the 20th straight month in which the U.S. economy has lost jobs.

EUROPE
Spain rallies with 18.5% jobless
Alongside one of the worst economies in Europe, Spain’s stock market has outperformed France and Germany this year.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 06:13:20

Unemployment rate rises to 26-year high
On Friday September 4, 2009, 8:40 am EDT

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. employers cut a fewer-than-expected 216,000 jobs in August, while the unemployment rate rose to a 26-year high, the government said on Friday in a report showing a still fragile labor market.
Reuters - Stephen Battaglia (L) of West Palm Beach, Florida searches for jobs on a computer at Workforce Alliance in …

Reuters - Stephen Battaglia (L) of West Palm Beach, Florida searches for jobs on a computer at Workforce Alliance in …

The Labor Department said the unemployment rate rose to 9.7 percent after dipping to 9.4 percent in July and the decline in payrolls was the smallest in a year. The department revised job losses for June and July to show 49,000 more jobs lost than previously reported.

Analysts had expected non-farm payrolls to drop 225,000 in August and the unemployment rate to rise to 9.5 percent.

The labor force increased by 73,000 in August, indicating the return of some jobless workers who had given up looking for work accounting for part of the rise in the unemployment rate.

Since the start of the recession in December 2007, the economy has shed 6.9 million jobs, the department said. Stubbornly high unemployment is wearing on consumer confidence and crimping domestic demand, pointing to an anemic recovery from the worst slump in 70 years. Consumer spending accounts for over two-thirds of U.S. economic activity.

However, the August report confirmed the pace of layoffs was easing from early this year, when nearly three quarters of a million jobs were lost in January.

Manufacturing employment fell by 63,000, with a total of 2 million factory jobs lost since the start of the recession. Payrolls in construction industries dropped 65,000 after falling 73,000 in July.

The service-providing sector purged 80,000 workers in August, while the goods-producing industries shed 136,000 positions.

Education and health services continued to add jobs, with payrolls increasing 52,000 in August after rising 21,000 in July. Government employment fell 18,000 after slipping 28,000 in July.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 06:25:31

MarketWatch First Take

Sep 1, 2009, 1:03 p.m. EST
Does it feel like the recession is over?
Commentary: Some economists say yes, others say hold the phone

By MarketWatch

LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) — One little data point crosses a threshold, and it’s time to jump back in the pool?

That’s what some economists were saying Tuesday when the Institute for Supply Management’s factory index showed that manufacturing crossed a critical 50% level, reaching 52.9% in August. That surged well beyond the 50.5% that was expected, and is up from a low of 32.9% reached in December. See story.

The figures mean that more factories are expanding rather than contracting, which is often a key sign to some economists that a period of economic retreat has passed. In other words, the recession is over, they say.

“The rise in the ISM manufacturing overall activity index to a level firmly above 50 and the surge in the new orders index to the highest level since December 2004 are the clearest signs yet that the recession is over,” said John Ryding, economist at RDQ Economics in New York.

So, does it feel like the recession is over to you?

If you listen closely, you can hear other economists saying: “We don’t think so.”

 
Comment by Al
2009-09-04 06:27:24

It’s different here.

Kevin Carmichael

Globe and Mail Update
Last updated on Friday, Sep. 04, 2009 09:13AM EDT

Canada’s economy unexpectedly added jobs in August, as private employers hired more people than they fired for the first time since September 2008.

Net employment rose by 27,100, led by a burst of part-time hiring, Statistics Canada said in Ottawa Friday. The unemployment rate increased to 8.7 per cent from 8.6 per cent because more people started looking for work, Statscan said.

While economists would have preferred a surge in full-time jobs as a sign of economic strength, the fact that companies were hiring at all in August is likely to be read as a sign that Canada’s recession is over.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-09-04 08:48:55

A lot of those under the table summer workers have gone back to school and need to be replaced with documented workers.

 
Comment by Al
2009-09-04 08:56:33

There are some devils in the details. Canwest article:

“The gains were led by part-time and private-sector employment, the federal agency said. There were 30,600 part-time jobs added in August, while 3,500 full-time positions were lost. Hardest hit was the manufacturing sector, which shed another 17,300 in August. The biggest gains were in the retail and wholesale trade, up 21,200, and finance and real estate, up 17,500.”

Job gains in retail, finance and real estate. Yah, that’s sustainable.

Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-09-04 10:14:56

The Home Renovation Tax Credit and other stimulus spending are the main drivers keeping our bubble inflated. Once the HRTC expires next Feb. watch out below in the home improvement market.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 12:11:16

How ironic that private payrolls would have shrunk under two successive Republican presidential terms. Aren’t the Republicans all about a strong private sector?

MarketWatch First Take

Sep 4, 2009, 1:04 p.m. EST

Lost decade for job growth
Commentary: Private sector has net loss in payrolls since 1999

By MarketWatch

LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) — If you want to feel even more depressed about Friday’s unemployment report, get a load of this: the private sector didn’t just lose jobs over the last month or the last year — it’s lost jobs over the last decade.

Yes, the very segment of the economy that was supposed to thrive under the Bush administration ended up with a net loss of 223,000 jobs since August 1999, according to the latest figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Meanwhile, the nation’s population has grown by 33.5 million people.

That’s the worst job-creating performance by the private sector since, you guessed it, the Great Depression.

On top of that, the government created 2.1 million jobs. Wait, you say — isn’t that a positive? Well, no, because it’s the worst performance by the government over a 10-year period since the last major recession of the early 1990s.

The good news is some economists say it seems we’ve hit bottom.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 17:36:07

They ARE about a strong private sector, just not for the peasants.

And that’s not irony, that’s Republican policy.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 06:15:09

Mortgage = death pledge, a loan commitment which lives on after you die…

Realty Q&A
Sep 4, 2009, 8:01 a.m. EST
Death don’t us part
Estate is responsible for mortgage payments

Comment by DennisN
2009-09-04 09:30:21

Actually I believe the etymology of “mortgage” implies you are going to “kill off” slowly the debt balance. That’s why the schedule for paying off the principal is known as an “amortization” schedule - you are killing off the principal balance.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 12:13:51

I understand the intended meaning of “mortgage.” I was merely savoring the irony of a “death pledge” that could outlive the pledger.

 
 
 
Comment by Little Al
2009-09-04 06:17:24

-Unemployment up to 9.7% and on that great news the stockmarket is trending upwards this morning. Watch the headfakes people, the market is about to test the March lows.
-Interesting to note the upward revision to last month’s job’s numbers that sent stocks flying and watching the MSM spin the results.
-Saw Cramer two nights ago looking sober and sincere telling the bulls this is a great buying dip. If that ain’t a crash sign, “I don’t know nothin’.”

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-09-04 06:25:46

In honor of Obama’s birthday, Beck blows out candles on Chinese flag-decorated cake

August 05, 2009 9:34 am ET
From the August 4 edition of Fox News’ Glenn Beck:

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908050007

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-09-04 14:52:57

I refuse to click on the link out of principle. That Glenn Beck even has a show, much more an audience, is indicative of how sick this country has become. Angry, stupid people screaming “socialism”, “communism”, and “fascism” when they can’t even define them. A bunch of rabid animals…

 
Comment by edward
2009-09-04 17:18:49

Two words.

Magic underpants.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 06:28:20

Subprime Sam’s next bailout recipient?

* The Wall Street Journal
* SEPTEMBER 4, 2009

Loan Losses Spark Concern Over FHA

By NICK TIMIRAOS and DEBORAH SOLOMON

The Federal Housing Administration, hit by increasing mortgage-related losses, is in danger of seeing its reserves fall below the level demanded by Congress, according to government officials, in a development that could raise concerns about whether the agency needs a taxpayer bailout.

The rising losses at the FHA, part of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, come as the agency has rapidly increased its role in guaranteeing loans in an attempt to stabilize the housing market.

It isn’t clear how the rising losses may affect home buyers. Options for the agency could include politically unpalatable choices, such as asking for taxpayer funds to boost reserves or increasing the premiums borrowers pay for the insurance offered by the agency. Agency officials say if there is a shortfall, they don’t have to do anything except report it to lawmakers. But some mortgage and housing analysts see trouble ahead. “They’re probably going to need a bailout at some point because they’re making loans in a riskier environment,” says Edward Pinto, a mortgage-industry consultant and former chief credit officer at Fannie Mae. “…I’ve never seen an entity successfully outrun a situation like this.

Comment by cobaltblue
2009-09-04 07:40:06

“The Federal Housing Administration, hit by increasing mortgage-related losses, is in danger of seeing its reserves fall below the level demanded by Congress, according to government officials, in a development that could raise concerns about whether the agency needs a taxpayer bailout.”

Rising defaults have eaten through the FHA’s cushion. Some 7.8% of FHA loans at the end of the second quarter were 90 days late or more, or in foreclosure, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association, a figure roughly equal to the national average for all loans. That is up from 5.4% a year ago.

With 2% capital reserves and 7.8% of loans non-current (and beyond cure) the odds of going underwater with that capital cushion are high. Oh, and let’s not forget that instead of a safe and sound 20% down payment FHA permits 3.5% down, and with the $8,000 “home buyer credit” you can use that for the downstroke either in whole or part, so we have a whole lot of “new borrowers” with absolutely no skin in the game.

The FHA is trying to “reflate” the housing bubble but you can’t pump air into a popped balloon. Instead we are setting up yet another government lie factory for a huge explosion with this one threatening to detonate what’s left of mortgage finance.

FHA must be reformed and the lie factory shut down here and now. 28/36 DTI (front and back end) ratios must be reinstated and strictly enforced. In addition, down payment requirements must go to 20% - cash - no gimmicks.

This will force prices lower on real estate but it will also stabilize the finance market for new loans. Yes, it will force recognition of the losses already made on the books of banks and other institutions, a lie that these institutions have managed to maintain now for more than two years on the back of bogus accounting changes and willful government complicity.

But that price adjustment will lead to buyers coming into the market with cash down payments of 20%, limited (no more than 5:1) leverage (as a result of the down payment requirement) and debt-to-income levels that are sustainable for the long haul. It will result in default rates on these new loans falling to the 1% range. It will result in a cessation of new homeowners being “trapped” in homes - a side effect of the “extend and pretend” lie that results in ramping unemployment as it precludes a homeowner from selling their home and moving to follow job opportunities (you can’t sell a house that’s underwater without cash you don’t have, especially after you just lost your job!)

We desperately need higher-quality buyers in the market, not lower-quality ones and we must stop trapping people in houses when they lose their jobs, preventing them from following opportunity in the labor market. You cannot stabilize a market or economy with “one breath away from default” buyers on financed terms with no capital cushion - that path, which is what the FHA is doing today, is the worst kind of political BS in that it virtually guarantees a disaster in the immediate future.
(From K. Denninger)

Comment by potential buyer
2009-09-04 08:35:14

I’m not sure I fully agree. For me, this has always been about affordability. I understand that many people feel there’s no skin in the game if the downpayment is less than 20%, but as long as you can afford to make the payments, really, why would that matter?

How about doing away with the downpayment but absolutely confirming affordability and maybe having some backup in savings, in lieu of the downpayment? No-one will walk away as long as they feel their house is priced right and they can afford the payment.

Not a financial genius’s way of doing things, I know. But the 20% down is meaningless to me other than it does reduce the monthly payment.

Comment by measton
2009-09-04 09:36:10

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? What?

Would you make a no collateral loan to my sister who is a student with no savings who owns nothing. I’ll give her a job babysitting and pay her 25,000 a year so she should easlily be able to afford 100,000 loan from you at 6%. Of course she may not have this job next year if we move, and she has about 6 more years of schooling. Let me know where you want us to fly to sign the contract.

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Comment by potential buyer
2009-09-04 10:59:58

I’m making the point of having a steady income and some savings that will enable the buyer to live comfortably and that they can show to the bank for the loan. I just don’t think having a down payment is the be all and end all of owning property. Its about affordability and making those monthly payments and thats all. Just an opinion.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-09-04 11:18:28

Yes, because incomes are so stable now and everybody knows there is no question whatsoever whether or not income will remain consistent over the life of the mortgage.

Also, you are saying you don’t understand why you should have to take part in assuming any risk of not completing the contract. Congratulations, pbuyer, you’ve been assimilated into the OPM paradigm. : )

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 06:29:51

* The Wall Street Journal
* REAL ESTATE
* SEPTEMBER 4, 2009

Troubles For ‘Prime’ Borrowers Intensify

By ROBIN SIDEL

The long recession and rising joblessness are taking an increasing toll on the nation’s most credit-worthy borrowers, who are now falling behind on their mortgage and credit-card payments at a faster pace than people with poor financial histories.

The mortgage-delinquency rate among so-called subprime borrowers reached 25% in the first quarter but appears to be leveling off, rising only slightly in the second quarter. The pace of delinquencies for prime borrowers is accelerating. Since prime loans account for 80% of U.S. bank exposure to mortgages and credit cards, these losses could ultimately exceed those from weaker borrowers.

“The subprime pain is in the rearview mirror,” says Sanjiv Das, head of Citigroup Inc.’s mortgage business, which is seeing delinquencies rise among prime borrowers, who make up three-quarters of its mortgage portfolio.

Comment by Al
2009-09-04 09:08:35

The article blames the increasing defaults of prime borrowers on the economy (which is partially true) but claims that underwriting standards on prime loans were good. Has anyone seen any MSM article that actually admits prime borrowers were loaned too much compared to their incomes, and that is a major part of the problem?

Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 17:41:56

Yes, but you really have dig deep on Google News to find them.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 17:45:43

“..TO dig…”

I really wish we had an edit feature.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 06:32:38

Considering all the inflation fear mongering that is in play, it is amazing how little cash is actually in circulation these days, as evidenced by all the states that are still facing a severe credit crunch, despite assurances to the contrary from on high.

* The Wall Street Journal
* SEPTEMBER 4, 2009

States Shut Down to Save Cash

Maine, Maryland, Michigan Slash Service; ‘Nightmare’ at California Vehicle Registry

By LESLIE EATON, RYAN KNUTSON and PHILIP SHISHKIN

California drivers can’t line up to renew their licenses Friday. Wisconsin natives can’t order copies of their birth certificates. Georgia consumers will have to postpone registering complaints with state watchdogs. And stranded motorists in Maryland may have to wait a little longer for highway-department help.

Across the country, cash-strapped state governments are shutting down business for a day at a time to save money. State offices are shuttered Friday in California, Maine, Maryland and Michigan. Rhode Island had planned to join them until a judge on Thursday blocked its closure plan.

Comment by Skip
2009-09-04 07:51:18

Sucks to be a citizen some days…

University system won’t furlough foreign workers

By Laura Diamond

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

When employees of the University System of Georgia take their mandated furlough days, foreign workers with a special visa will not be joining them

http://www.ajc.com/news/university-system-won-115217.html

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 06:36:10

Sep 3, 2009, 6:22 a.m. EST

Hong Kong recalls gold reserves, touts high-security vault
In a challenge to London, Asian states invited to store bullion closer to home

By Chris Oliver, MarketWatch

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — Hong Kong is pulling all its physical gold holdings from depositories in London, transferring them to a high-security depository newly built at the city’s airport, in a move that won praise from local traders Thursday.

The facility, industry professionals said, would support Hong Kong’s emergence as a Swiss-style trading hub for bullion and would lessen London’s status as a key settlement-and-storage center.

Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 06:46:19

Mineweb 9-2-09

Apparently China is pushing the idea of buying gold and silver for investment purposes to the general population in the way that Western television sells soap powder. If 1.3 billion Chinese citizens start buying gold and silver, even in tiny quantities, imagine what that will do to the market!

The report notes that China’s Central Television, the main state-owned television company, has run a news programme letting the public know how easy it is to buy precious metals as an investment. On silver investment the announcer is quoted as saying ” China has introduced its first ever investment opportunity for silver bullion. The bars are available in 500g, 1kg, 2kg and 5kg with a purity of 99.9%. Figures show that gold was fifty times more expensive than silver in 2007, but now that figure has reached over seventy times. Analysts say that silver has been undervalued in recent years. They add that the metal is the right investment for individual investors and could be a good way to cash in.”

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 07:09:25

The (Hong Kong) monetary authority reported $63 million in physical gold reserves as of July 31, according to its International Reserves and Foreign Currency Liquidity statement. The authority wouldn’t disclose where the reserves are held, but local media reports cited gold traders as saying that London’s the most likely location.

gold traders.. Well, $63 million.. @ $1,000 per troy oz.. doesn’t seem like an outfit the size of Hong Kong has very much gold.

..about 4416 troy pounds.. that’s less than 4 cubic feet? And they built a depository for that?
Where’s my math wrong.. it’s gotta be.

Comment by stpn2me
2009-09-04 08:08:59

Who cares? Just that they are buying gold is the kicker. If all those people start buying gold, the price will go through the roof. Below I posted a link that says gold is near $1000 an ounce. A couple of days ago, I bought a High Relief, Double Eagle from the mint. I like coin collecting, but I did invest in a gold mutual fund when I said I wouldnt. I now have a gold, silver and platinum double eagle coin in each variety. Actually I have two gold ones and I think they are nice. If the general chinese public starts buying these metals in big physical numbers, the price is going to go up. (moves my tin foil hat to the side)..

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 08:38:53

yeah.. i saw your post below.. you’ve joined the ranks of the gold speculators!

I did see the coins on the mint’s webpages, and was very tempted. The platinum ones were sweet.. but i’m not a coin collector.. Coins are for spending, imo.
Where am i supposed to hide the damn things? In a safety deposit box? You can’t even take them out of the package and touch them without them losing a lot of value…

I’d rather spend the money on an RV .. i can cook and sleep in it, beat the hell out of it if i want, and it’ll take me fishing and other fun places.

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Comment by packman
2009-09-04 12:06:36

You can’t even take them out of the package and touch them without them losing a lot of value…

Nah - wear and tear makes little to no difference for bullion, e.g. any PM’s you’d get from the mint these days. It only matters for collectibles (numismatics) - i.e. older and rarer coins. E.g. if you got an eagle/buffalo/whatever from the mint now, a fair amount of handling would only decrease its value maybe 1-2% at most. You can do searches on eBay for instance to see what I mean.

W/regards to the Chinese - I don’t see the government encouragement to buy gold has having much effect, at least anytime in the near future. How many of those 1.2 billion could really afford to buy any significant amount? Very few.

The effects of Indians are far, far greater. They have gold = wealth ingrained in their culture, and often very much blur the line between jewelry and pure bullion, e.g. it’s used significantly as dowry for weddings and such.

The biggest effect China will have is just reducing the value of the $ relative to everything else (including gold), vs. increasing the value of gold relative to everything else. See yesterday’s move to IMF SDR’s for instance.

 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 08:50:26

Hey Step! Do you or anyone else know where the “tin foil hat” saying came from? I am serious. On it’s face, I don’t get it.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 09:08:23

Humans are able to detect modulated radio-frequency electromagnetic signals in the microwave range, hearing them as sounds. The perceived source of induced sound is located inside of or directly behind the head of the recipient, regardless of the location of the transmitter. The effect is believed to be caused by thermoelastic expansion of the brain exposed to microwaves.

and dats a fact.. according to Wikipedia’s page on tin foil hats..

I’ve often thought i heard snippets of radio or TV program voices while falling asleep. One time i heard a new word and wrote it down, and looked it up in the morning… and it really was a new word to me.

Anyway, the hat was originally supposed to prevent people from reading your mind. Then people got a little carried away, as paranoid people are prone to do, and think the hats block lots of stuff..

 
Comment by bluprint
2009-09-04 09:43:34

I don’t know where it came from exactly (I don’t think there is really a single source) but its a reference to the idea that “someone” can use mind control and tin foil will defend against it.

The idea is that a person who is “paranoid” or believes in conspiracies has a tin foil hat to protect himself. So if someone tells you to remove your tinfoil hat, they are saying that you are crazy and (whatever you are claiming) is crazy/conspiracy talk. It has sort of been extended in common parlance to include anyone expressing any kind of “crazy” idea.

So stpn is kinda toungue-in-cheek acknowledging he could be wrong…or to put it another way: his idea that the chinese public is going to start buy gold in large numbers is “crazy”.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 10:02:59

Thanks blue.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-09-04 10:48:15

Gee and all this time I thought it was a tongue in cheek reference to the mentally off balanced types in the 70s that claimed aliens were reading their mind.

 
Comment by stpn2me
2009-09-04 11:20:59

So stpn is kinda toungue-in-cheek acknowledging he could be wrong…or to put it another way: his idea that the chinese public is going to start buy gold in large numbers is “crazy”.

Actually, you are correct. I tell the truth, I really like the coins. But I did invest in the gold fund to hedge against inflation whch I think is coming. If the economy tanks, gold will be the place to be.

 
Comment by packman
2009-09-04 12:10:15

Gee and all this time I thought it was a tongue in cheek reference to the mentally off balanced types in the 70s that claimed aliens were reading their mind.

It’s a mix I think.

I love this video - The tin foil hat song.

 
Comment by bluprint
2009-09-04 12:12:57

types…that claimed aliens were reading their mind

As opposed to crazy, conspiratorial folks…thanks for the correction.

/sarcasm

Seriously, I think the “70’s types” are just another iteration of this same type group. Later they became concerned about mind control by the government.

And if there is true financial collapse, gold probably will be a good place to be. However I suspect that dollars will be fine (even better than gold) until some time after the collapse is fully recognized.

I think the crazy hyper-inflation scenario wouldn’t come until a little later, once the blood has started flowing in the streets, unemployement hits 50% or more, prices of everything have collapsed (including gold/silver). At that time (if it comes) it might be prudent to move into hard assets (probably some combination of remote land, bullets weapons and other tools, canned goods, water filtration, energy generation, seeds and silver/gold) and out of dollars. And you might do better with small (lower value) gold rings and necklaces to use in trade as opposed to bullion coin.

Unless the world drops the dollar as a reserve currency. In that case we’re fooked.

 
Comment by bluprint
2009-09-04 12:16:32

oh yeah, i almost forgot the most important one, liquor. People love their vices. In such a scenario liquor might be more precious than gold. So you should also store the required supplies/equipment to make it, then you can make a mint off other people’s misery.

Plus you would have plenty of it for your own misery.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2009-09-04 18:23:47

Michel White, if I remember correctly (and I may not), an Arizona death row inmate once sued the state for using “mind control” waves against him while incarcerated. Don’t know for sure, but it might be a place to start researching “tin foil hats”.

 
 
 
Comment by yensoy
2009-09-04 08:47:48

You Americans and your funny units. Yeah, about 120 litres. Which would be about 4.3 cuft. It will fit in my fridge.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 09:59:52

Should we apologize for being Americans? Also, I have a funnier Unit for you, yensoy, Frank Zappa’s daughter is named Moon Unit.

P.S. She is American too.

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 11:47:47

Hey yensoy, I didn’t mean that the way it came out. Remember, I am Ate-Up. :)

Ya bud,

Greg

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Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 06:43:46

The Long Adjustment
How Bad Will It Get?
By MIKE WHITNEY

The U.S. economy is at the beginning of a protracted period of adjustment. The sharp decline in business activity, which began in the summer of 2007, has moderated slightly, but there are few indications that growth will return to pre-crisis levels. Stocks have performed well in the last six months, beating most analysts expectations, but weakness in the underlying economy will continue to crimp demand reducing any chance of a strong rebound. Bankruptcies, delinquencies and defaults are all on the rise, which is pushing down asset prices and increasing unemployment. As joblessness soars, debts pile up, consumer spending slows, and businesses are forced to cut back even further. This is the deflationary spiral Fed chairman Ben Bernanke was hoping to avoid. Surging equities and an impressive “green shoots” public relations campaign have helped to improve consumer confidence, but the hard data conflicts with the optimistic narrative reiterated in the financial media. For the millions of Americans who don’t qualify for government bailouts, things have never been worse.

Kevin Harrington, managing director at Clarium Capital Management LLC, summed up the present economic situation in an interview with Bloomberg News: “If we have a recovery at all, it isn’t sustainable. This is more likely a ski-jump recession, with short-term stimulus creating a bump that will ultimately lead to a more precipitous decline later.”

Reflecting on the Fed’s unwillingness to force banks to report their losses on hard-to-value illiquid assets, Harrington added, “We haven’t fixed the problem. We’ve just slowed down the official recognition of it.”

 
Comment by measton
2009-09-04 11:23:01

Counterpunch article had a great paragraph

The current recession has exposed the fault-lines dividing the classes in the US. Neither party represents working people. Both the Democrats and the Republicans are supportive of “social engineering for the rich”; regressive taxation and economic policies which shift a greater portion of the wealth to the richest Americans. The question of inequality, which has grown to levels not seen since the Gilded Age, will dominate the national conversation as the recession deepens and more people slip from the ranks of the middle class. The vast chasm between the mega-rich and everyone else is explored in a recent report by University of California, Berkeley economics professor Emmanuel Saez, who concludes that income inequality in the United States is at an all-time high, surpassing even levels seen during the Great Depression. The report shows that:

“The top 1 percent incomes captured half of the overall economic growth over the period 1993-2007″ …The top 14,988 households received 6.04% of income, the highest figure for any year since the data became available. The top 1% of households received 23.5% of income, while the top 10% received 49.7% of income (the highest on record.)”

Why does this matter? Apart from the moral question of whether a handful of people deserve to live like kings while others live in squalor; there is the political question: Are our politics being driven by plutocrats whose only interest is to fatten the bottom line and increase their own power? Don Monkerud addresses the issue in his article “Wealth Inequality Destroys US Ideals” (Consortium News):

“Over 40 percent of GNP comes from Fortune 500 companies. According to the World Institute for Development Economics Research, the 500 largest conglomerates in the U.S. “control over two-thirds of the business resources, employ two-thirds of the industrial workers, account for 60 percent of the sales, and collect over 70 percent of the profits.”

Corporations systematically created a wealth gap over the last 30 years. In 1955, IRS records indicated the 400 richest people in the country were worth an average $12.6 million, adjusted for inflation. In 2006, the 400 richest increased their average to $263 million, representing an epochal shift of wealth upward in the U.S.” (Don Monkerud “Wealth Inequality Destroys US Ideals” Consortium News)

The US consumer no longer has the capacity to bounce back and generate sufficient demand to produce positive growth. According to McKinsey Global Institute, Homeowners withdrew “$2.3 trillion in home equity loans and cash-out refinancings between 2003 and 2008.” Most of the money was spent on personal consumption. Where will the money come from now that home equity has gone negative? The Obama administration will need a second, third and fourth stimulus just to fill the gaping hole left by the collapse of the housing market.

In the past inflation resulted in increased spending. People worked more hours, sent their wives to work, used their savings, and finally borrowed money in order to live the goodlife. Inflation will not increase spending this time it will just change where the money goes. Instead of eating out we will buy rice and beans. Instead of using the car we will walk take the bus and ride bikes. Instead of buying new clothes we will sew patches on the old ones just like the so called middle class in other third world countries.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 17:58:16

“We The People…”

…are tapped out.

But at least we have best government money can buy and that we deserve.

 
 
 
Comment by samk
2009-09-04 07:06:09

“Unemployment rate jumps to 9.7 percent”

“Stocks edge up after positive jobs data”

Yeah. I didn’t read the articles but I guess it’s better than expected.

Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 07:30:05

9.7% is good news, with luck we will hit 10% ( by gubmint figures) on or before Thanksgiving.

We have to remember that this is a ‘jobless’ recovery so the more joblessness the more recovery, right?

Comment by In Colorado
2009-09-04 11:43:27

Now I get it!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 18:01:59

Exactly. The paradigm is that even though we are a 75% consumer driven economy, the expense of paying consumers so they have money to spend is unacceptable.

See? Easy! One no longer needs, er, fertilizer to grow crops!

“Brawndo! It’s what plants crave!”

Stay tuned for a special report by Marie Antoinette: Bread or Cake?

 
 
 
Comment by fecaltime!
2009-09-04 07:19:27

I’ve been reading this blog since circa 2003-4. At first I was kicking and screaming as I was pulled into the dark side…that ended in around mid 2005 as I had finally seen the light.

I am curious to hear what specific things people think must change in order to get our economy/society back on track.

Based on all that I have read, I am of the opinion that we are in a rather hopeless situation and not likely to EVER regain the status and standard of living we have enjoyed in the past.

Fecaltime!

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-09-04 07:33:22

Similar sentiments to the guy 150 years ago who said passenger trains will not work because they will go so fast that no human lungs will be able to breathe the air rushing by while they ride the train.

Comment by Skip
2009-09-04 07:59:05

Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible.”
Lord Kelvin, president, Royal Society, 1895.

Professor Goddard does not know the relation between action and reaction and the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react. He seems to lack the basic knowledge ladled out daily in high schools.”
1921 New York Times editorial about Robert Goddard’s revolutionary rocket work.

“Louis Pasteur’s theory of germs is ridiculous fiction”.
–Pierre Pachet, Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872

“The bomb will never go off. I speak as an expert in explosives.”
Admiral William Leahy, US Atomic Bomb Project.

Comment by cobaltblue
2009-09-04 08:25:15

“The Earth is running a temperature” - Al Gore and greenie minions, 2009

Each month GORE LIED takes significant liberties with Dr. Roy Spencer’s globally averaged satellite-based temperatures and marks up the good doctor’s graph with a red marker to illustrate Al Gore’s personal inconvenient truth – that global temperatures have gone down, rather than up (as Al Gore and the IPCC predicted) since An Inconvenient Truth was released on January 24, 2006 at the Sundance Film Festival.

For the record, this month’s Al Gore / AIT Index indicates that global temperatures have plunged approximately .74°F (.39°C) since An Inconvenient Truth was released.

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-09-04 08:43:42

This just in: The earth is flat and was created approximately 6,000 years ago.

Also: housing prices only go up.

 
Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-09-04 10:38:02

What about the long term trend lines based data from ice cores and late bed sediments going back to the begining of the industrial revolution? What about observations of retreating ice sheets and glaciers globally? I have seen this personally in both Alaska and the Alps. habitat zones shifting northward (or southward)?

Recent fluctions in the data dont invalidate those things and do not constitute a “lie”. What’s YOUR adgenda?

 
 
Comment by Cowtown
2009-09-04 10:00:09

“No flying machine will ever fly from New York to Paris … [because] no known motor can run at the requisite speed for four days without stopping.”
Orville Wright

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Comment by fecaltime!
2009-09-04 08:02:51

Thanks Mr knowitall, but I was looking for serious comments pertaining to my question, not your insulting tripe.

Fecaltime!

 
 
Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-09-04 10:29:58

“I am curious to hear what specific things people think must change in order to get our economy/society back on track.”

People need to stop living off credit and buying tons of crap they dont really need. I’ll know we’re on the right track when the private storage business crashes.

Don’t bet on it.

Comment by fecaltime!
2009-09-04 11:57:40

“People need to stop living off credit and buying tons of crap they dont really need. I’ll know we’re on the right track when the private storage business crashes.

Don’t bet on it.”

I agree with your statemtentSC, My question is how does that help the economy though? Now and for the future, what should our country’s industries be producing/creating? I am envisioning that in order to maintain our standard of living and wealth we should be creating something that has real value to people of other countries. YEs?

Fecaltime!

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-09-04 12:08:28

With a screen name like yours, you are expecting serious comments?

Comment by fecaltime!
2009-09-04 13:17:31

Are you one of those people that are scrutinizing the outside packaging and forgetting to take a gander at the actual content? If so, I can sucker you into some pretty stupid buys!

Was the question and comments too difficult, off-topic, or unreasonable, for you? I’m just a guy looking to learn what I can from this site and others.

Fecaltime!

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Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 13:50:51

Actually, Fecaltime, I think you are very smart. Also my screen name is not too good either, but (mine) is kind of stupid/funny, I think anyway, because I was.

I can’t get beyond your screen name either. Please don’t take it personal, I don’t mean it that way. It is, in my opinion, an inappropriate screen name, and you know what?, maybe so is mine.

I don’t know man, just trying to help, seriously. Obviously, you have a lot to contribute.

 
 
 
 
Comment by measton
2009-09-04 12:45:21

1. New tax brackets for top 0.5% see counterpunch article above
2. Small tax on frequent trading to cut down on market manipulation.
3. Oil and Gas Tax -
4. Slash payroll taxes and cut corporate taxes of small companies that manufacture in the US.
5. Offer tax cuts to improve energy efficiency
6. Slash military spending, no more hiring mercenaries if you make war profitable you will have more war.
7. Tax imports from countries that don’t follow minimum standards for human rights, democracy, evironmental regulation, and trade practices.
8. End Wellfare and long term unemployment - Start a works program that pays minimum wage. Preferrably jobs that we don’t do in the US (make clothing, shoes, electronics) but if that doesn’t work put them on a bike for 4 hours a day or cut coupons. or sort beads. They have to get up for work and show up on time. Immediately we would weed out a lot of people who work off the books but still collect unemployment and wellfare.
9. Public plan for insurance which only pays for things that meet a cost benefit analysis. For everything else you have to buy a private supplemental plan. Give health care providers the chance to compete on cost. Cardiac stents helpfull but not cost effective, maybe they drop the price on cardiac stents to tx the masses.
10. Keep Social Security
11. Confine lobbiests to one building in Washington DC. Governement employees would have to sign in to go and visit them.
12. Campaign finance reform, corporations say money is free speech I say BS. Fine any company that try’s make it’s employees donate or volunteer. Insurance companies did this during recent town halls to prevent health care debate they should be fined.
13. Stop bailing out banks
14. Do away with GSE’s, no longer will the governmetn buy mortages. If they want to stimulate demand they will offer loans at the median rate +x% with 20% down. If banks won’t loan to credit worthy borrowers then gov will emphesis on credit worthy borrowers with lots of skin in the game.
15. No more farm subsidies for large agribusiness, I’m OK with some for the family farm to keep some diversity in the system.
16. Kill monopolies - #1 Cable companies must divest from providing content. They can only manage lines and they will be regulated. Anyone who wants to sell content can bid in an open fashion to rent a channel and provide that content. No entity can own or control more than 10% of channels. Public access must be guaranteed. Same goes for MSFT, electrical transmission, gas lines, highways, telephone and internet. The conduit should be gov owned or highly regulated the product should be able to be sold freely.

Thats my plan to pull us out of this mess.

Comment by measton
2009-09-04 13:58:14

I’ll add

17 end the war on many drugs, increase penalties for property crime violence and banking/investment crime.

Tax drug sales. Legalize gambling tax gambling revenue.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 18:25:49

There is only thing that will improve our society and prevent the PTB from getting away with high crimes and treason, but it will never happens: basic education.

As a nation our basic public education is the laughing stock of the world.

It should be mandatory that every adult is educated to a rather high minimum and receives a high school diploma (not a GED) and be forced to do so until achieved no matter how long it takes. That means you never leave school nor can you drop out. As an adult you may receive a min living stipend until you graduate. If you refuse to learn, you will go to prison, where you will be forced to learn anyway. No matter how long it takes.

Or we can just keep paying for more prisons and having an oligarchy that continues to take advantage us. Which is where I would bet my money.

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-09-04 07:46:58

What, me worry?

When the agency that insures traditional pension plans is running a $33.5 billion deficit — the largest in its 35-year history — should you be worried? If you’re a worker or retiree counting on a traditional pension, the answer is probably not. But if you’re a taxpayer, start worrying.

Though it will likely take years, it’s all but inevitable that at some point the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., the agency responsible for guaranteeing pension benefits for some 44 million Americans, will need to either cut those benefits or raise a lot of cash, experts say.

Given that slashing payouts to older people is considered political suicide, the likely scenario is that the U.S. government will pony up funds to shore the agency’s finances.

Pensioners “don’t have to worry,” said Douglas Elliott, an author of numerous studies on the PBGC and a fellow at the Brookings Institution, a Washington-based public-policy think tank.

“The taxpayer has to worry. There is no way politically that Congress would let the PBGC fail to send checks to Grandma and Grandpa. Just like they rescued the savings-and-loans years ago without the legal obligation to do it, just like they rescued a number of banks without the legal obligation to do it, they’ll do the same thing with the PBGC if necessary,” Elliott said.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 18:38:14

That’s only if you’re lucky enough to have a pension.

The last figure I heard was that ONLY 21% of the private sector employees had pensions.

We are a nation of chumps.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 07:56:15

Romer Says Jobless Rate Is a ‘Tragedy,’ Stimulus Plan Working

Sept. 4 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. unemployment rate of 9.7 percent is a “tragedy,” and job growth likely won’t come until several months after the economy begins to expand, President Barack Obama’s chief economist said.

“That’s sort of the trajectory we’re seeing,” Christina Romer, chairman of the White House Council of Economic Advisers, said in an interview today on Bloomberg Television. She said the $787 billion economic stimulus package enacted earlier this year is working to boost growth and declined to comment about whether a second round will be needed.

“At this point we are very encouraged that the stimulus we put in place is doing its job,” Romer said. “Of course, we’re going to be watching this thing.”

Employers cut 216,000 workers from payrolls in August, fewer than forecast, after a 276,000 drop in July that was larger than previously reported, Labor Department data showed today in Washington. The jobless rate jumped to a 26-year high, from 9.4 percent.

The pace of U.S. job losses is slowing as signs emerge that a recession that started in December 2007 is ending. The rising unemployment rate underscores threats to consumer spending gains in the recovery.

The jobless rate reached a post-World War II record of 10.8 percent in 1982.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 08:27:01

i dunno what i’d do about it if i were King.. maybe set up some govt. make-work programs for newly unemployed and keep them working.

Maybe let private businesses hire or re-hire from this (cheaper) pool of partially govt-subsidized labor. Govt pays some portion of their salary or wages. The employee-stimulus-plan. ESP
Some will like the time off to couch-potato regardless, but juggle things around so accepting full unemployment insurance is a far less attractive option.

Whatever i did, i would get it rolling before things got out of hand.. They better take this unemployment thing seriously. The problem isn’t going away anytime soon.

 
Comment by packman
2009-09-04 08:37:13

While the unemployment rate officially hasn’t yet exceeded that of 1982 - it’s worth noting that the exhaustion rate (number of people whose unemployment benefits have run out) has far surpassed 1982.

This to me indicates that true unemployment, including people who have given up looking for work (which isn’t even counted in U6) is actually the most since the GD.

Comment by In Colorado
2009-09-04 11:41:22

I think you are right. I still have this image in my mind: 2000 people applying for 100 mostly menial jobs at the local Embassy Suites that opened recently. Acirding to the article in the paper about half of them had degree.

Yet the local PTB insist that unemployment in our little corner of paradise (Larimer County) is in the 7% range.

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-09-04 08:46:37

“The jobless rate reached a post-World War II record of 10.8 percent in 1982.”

Just calculate unemployment like they did after WWII and you’ll find it’s 21% now, not 9.7%.

Of course, that will never be reported by the State-run propaganda media like NPR, The NY Times, CNBC, or Daily Kos. You have to tune in to HBB, best blog on the planet!

Don’t touch that dial!

Comment by packman
2009-09-04 12:15:18

Got a link? What’s that based on? Any time I’ve heard such claims usually it’s from someone who hasn’t really looked deeply and/or just doesn’t make a good case for such a claim. Not that I don’t believe it, I just haven’t seen a credible argument for claims like that. Usually it’s someone just getting U3 and U6 mixed up (though even U6 is still just 16.8% right now).

P.S. I think you meant “like they did before WWII”

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 18:42:58

http://webcenter.polls.aol.com/modular.jsp?resType=7&view=162569&popup=yes&template=1381&channel=aol_us_news&pollId=162851

Sorry for the long link.

27% unemployment among 50,000 people polled.

I took a poll on another board I visit. 30% among 60 people surveyed.

 
 
Comment by stpn2me
2009-09-04 07:56:31

Hey,

I just bought a Double gold High Relief Double Eagle from the U.S. Mint…It’s a bad coin!

I know I said I wouldnt buy a Mutual Fund, but I did buy one that specializes in gold and it’s up. I put in $100, last two weeks it was down to 93 dollars, but today it’s at $103! LOL…..

And check this out…

http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/03/markets/thebuzz/index.htm

And why is it Uh oh, gold is rising….Seems I am on the end of everything the main stream media thinks is bad….

Uh oh, gold is rising…..good for me
uh oh, housing prices are falling…good for me
Uh oh, savings are going up…I am saving…WTF???

Just WHO is the main stream media rooting for?

Any comments or insight on the gold situation is great!!!

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-09-04 08:51:06

I wondered who was bidding up the gold market. Thanks for identifying youself!

Comment by Cowtown
2009-09-04 09:55:42

It’s partially my fault. I unloaded the last of my PRPFX a couple of weeks ago.

 
 
 
Comment by weez
2009-09-04 08:03:24

I dont even know what to say, how did this endup in newsweek?

http://www.newsweek.com/id/214866

A cupcake bubble??????????

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 11:54:47

Whoever wrote that article is a Ding Dong.

Comment by DennisN
2009-09-04 16:01:18

And his girlfriend is a Ho-Ho.

 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 17:35:57

cupcake bubble… Man, could me and alph take off on that one.

 
 
Comment by fecaltime!
2009-09-04 08:16:14

It seems that a lot of what we produce in the USA is easily copied and ‘our’ companies do the work and other people reap the rewards. For example: Music and movies are created here and then stolen copies are stolen and sold in China and elsewhere. Also once a DRUG is created by a company like Pfizer, it once again seems that dealers in the black market could remake this drug (minus all the hassles Pfizer or other drug companies must endure).
I’m certain there are other examples of this. I wonder how much this sort of thing hurts our economy and what can be done to minimize it. BTW: I am no fan of either industry and try to NOT purchase much of either product!
Fecaltime!

Comment by measton
2009-09-04 12:52:04

It’s kills our economy which no longer manufactures. Until the PTB start taxing products from countries that allow this we will continue to bleed.

Comment by fecaltime!
2009-09-04 13:36:04

It seems to me that we should be manufacturing more of our essentials. We should also not send our dollars elsewhere willy-nilly.

This is relatively small but sorta on-topic. Our laws have made it difficult for online-poker to exist here in the USA. My impression is that most of those sites are run from other nations. Those companies/countries are able to profit directly from us, and it siphons dollars out of what should be (MGM,Harrahs, etc.) pockets. Why do we put up these barriors to our own businesses, when it just enables other nations to profit at our expense?

Fecaltime!

 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-09-04 13:02:18

There used to be a law that protected us from having our “secrets” shared with other countries, and now, now that would include mftg secrets ala microchips etc. But it doesn’t and all those folks going overseas to get a job they can’t find here, are going to be “sharing” their ideas to make their jobs better/easier meanwhile here in the states, NO jobs, no advancement due to that ol profit 1st mantra that seems to penetrate anyones psyche these days.

We would fail today in the 40s of the US. Then we all pitched in together, gladly. Today? pffffft. Me 1st. me only, $$$$$$$

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 08:39:54

Pa. man fires cannon, hits neighbor’s house
AP

UNIONTOWN, Pa. – A Pennsylvania history buff who recreates firearms from old wars accidentally fired a 2-pound cannonball through the wall of his neighbor’s home.

Fifty-four-year-old William Maser fired a cannonball Wednesday evening outside his home in Georges Township that ricocheted and hit a house 400 yards away.

The cannonball, about two inches in diameter, smashed through a window and a wall before landing in a closet. Authorities say nobody was hurt.

State police charged Maser with reckless endangerment, criminal mischief and disorderly conduct.

No one answered the phone Friday at Maser’s home. He tells WPXI-TV recreating 19th century cannons is a longtime hobby. He says he is sorry and he will stop shooting them on his property, about 35 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-04 08:55:03

..ricocheted and hit a house 400 yards away.

Some kinda homemade black powder cannon ricocheted a quarter mile? WTF was he shooting at? A big block of granite?

I call BS on this one.. i think he flat out missed a tree, or it went through the windows of some junk school bus. Probably closed his eyes and pulled the trigger and doesn’t even know what happened..

 
Comment by tresho
2009-09-04 09:35:33

“Reckless endangerment” seems an appropriate charge for a meatball firing cannonballs anywhere within several miles of innocent people.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 09:48:02

Heck, I bet that was entertaining. Cannon ball flying through your house. No place like home!! And, a history lesson too!

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-09-04 09:50:11

He should stick to grapeshot - it won’t go as far. Plus it’s more effective against burglars.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 10:49:59

Tee Hee !!

 
 
Comment by Cassandra
2009-09-04 18:53:51

Opps! sorry boss!

 
 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-09-04 09:22:46

Hi everyone, haven’t posted for ages cause I’ve been out in the backcountry with no internet. I’m now pirating a neighbor’s wifi to write this and it comes and goes, so may not be able to read any comments or reply.

I’m writing this from Bozeman, Montana. Beautiful place but too urban for me. Every other place here is for rent and prices are rapidly dropping, now that college is in session. Landlords are feeling desperate. Some are even offering first month free.

Here’s an example: My landlady lives 3 hours away. She rented her place to me with no money down over the phone. She bought it for her son to live in while attending college, you know, the old paradigm of selling for a profit no matter what. I paid her for the first two weeks after being here a week, but no deposit. I have one more week paid and will then leave. She is grateful to have gotten 2 weeks’ rent from the place. I can stay as long as I want. It’s a nice duplex in a good location. I have all 8 of my pets here with me (except the horses, couldn’t get them into the car).

It’s just too noisy and urban. A few days ago there were 100 college students in the street having a rager. Someone called the cops (not me, I kind of enjoyed all the noise after living in complete solitude for so long). I’m getting to know some of the neighbors, nice college types, freshmen cowboys from Absaroka who would give you the shirt off their backs then accidentally shoot you while drunk. But nice kids. They all hate Missoula, too hippy. I like Missoula. But I digress.

I’ve been exploring a lot of Montana backcountry and it’s a beautiful state, but I’m going back to the wilds of Utah, where nobody asks your name, what you do, or if you own a house. That’s because there’s nobody out there to ask. :)

Speaking of Utah, I made an offer on my old house, the one I was squatting in last summer. Asking price then was 150k. I offered 25k. The bank (BOA) replied with 58k. I passed. It’s now down to 45k. I may again offer, but this time maybe 20k. It’s an old bungalow with character but needs lots of work. Best location in town. I just bought a new Casita trailer (casita.com check them out) and may just go live in it, travel around, and be a gypsy.

Wait…I already am a gypsy, I think. :)

Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-09-04 10:57:29

Nice to see the update Losty!

Has anyone else been in your old bungalow since you were there last?

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-09-04 22:01:02

I think the only ones in it were the sheriff, who investigated the broken windows and made the bank come fix them, and the guy the bank had winterize the place. Other than that, nobody I know of.

Think of all the money I could’ve saved if I’d stayed there and squatted, not to mention what I’d made running the Squatter’s B&B. I know it would’ve covered my jail fines…

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-04 11:18:25

Very nice to see you, losty. It’s been a long time to be losty-less. I’m glad you’re doing well.

Speaking of Utah, I made an offer on my old house, the one I was squatting in last summer. Asking price then was 150k. I offered 25k. The bank (BOA) replied with 58k. I passed. It’s now down to 45k. I may again offer, but this time maybe 20k.

…Wow. Let me say it again: WOW.

 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 11:38:03

Hey Losty! Glad your back!

 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-09-04 12:58:47

http://trailerworks.biz/index.html

Losty,Chin, been harvesting this idea for traveling around myself for quite a spell. I want something vintage but redesigned (in my dreams) for todays wifi/insulation etc. Looks old, is entirely new.

Take care and let us know how you are doing.

 
Comment by robiscrazy
2009-09-04 21:18:24

Was wondering where you and the desert dogs went. So, how many of those canine companions CAN you fit in a new “little house” trailer?

Keep posting updates on your progress with the house in Utah. Way to go….stick it to BofA and make them book that loss.

btw…did you get a patriot, spirit, liberty, or freedom? Such inspirational names.

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-09-04 21:58:52

Thanks, got a Spirit Deluxe, but it won’t be out of the factory till the end of October.

Comment by robiscrazy
2009-09-04 23:35:57

Very nice! Lots of features and not to heavy. Just you and the dogs….no problem living in it full time. I think it’s bigger than my dorm room in college.

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Comment by robiscrazy
2009-09-04 23:38:23

to = too

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-04 09:39:32

I posted something that I hope Mr. Filter got a one-year lease for me on Pluto, preferably an ice view.

It was just me ruminating about my job, and polly’s friends situation triggered it. Please ignore it, and don’t respond. Like I said this ain’t True Confessions and you guys have helped enough already. We ALL have problems.

Sometimes, “the typing” is therapeutic, I am sure someone understands. Never hit the send button w/o thinking. :)

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-09-04 09:40:03

Now, nobody would want a premature celebration dripping off their lips:

Who Should Get Credit for a Recovery?
by Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com

Thursday, September 3, 2009

“Most economists agree the economy has taken a turn for the better, but agreeing what got us here is the tough part — and it’s key to avoiding future mistakes.

Although the recession isn’t officially over yet, there is a growing sense that the economy is now in a recovery. But there is also a growing debate about who deserves the credit.

The question of who should receive praise for helping to get the economy back on track may seem trivial. But knowing what policies worked, and which ones need to stay in place, could keep the recovery from stalling out.

Many in Washington have gone to extraordinary lengths to try and turn around the economy over the past year or so.

Last year, Congress signed a blank check to Treasury to cover losses at mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and created the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program for banks. Earlier this year, lawmakers passed a $787 billion stimulus package.

Meanwhile the Federal Reserve slashed interest rates to nearly 0% and pumped more than $1 trillion into the economy with its bailout of AIG, its support for mortgage-backed securities and various lending programs.

Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke said in a speech last month that the Fed and Congress, as well as other governments and central banks around the world, deserve credit for stopping the global economy from falling into a depression.

“Without these speedy and forceful actions, last October’s panic would likely have continued to intensify, more major financial firms would have failed, and the entire global financial system would have been at serious risk,” he said.

A number of economists agree that the Fed, Congress and both the Bush and Obama administrations all deserve credit for steps taken to end of the recession.”

(All I can say is wow, wait til about Souper Bowl time)

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-09-04 09:48:08

Here’s an article for you . . . what $50K buys you in various markets.

[Note: some assembly required. ;) ]

http://finance.yahoo.com/real-estate/article/107652/a-%2450,000-house-but-at-what-cost.html?mod=realestate-buy

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 09:55:51

Got a dream but no cash? The Internet can help.
Fri Sep 4, 2009

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Chris Waddell wants to climb Kilimanjaro in a wheelchair; George Del Barrio wants to make a film in Cambodia; Jeff Edwards wants to write a book about a science fiction writer: they want you to fund their dreams.

A website called Kickstarter.com is making it possible for people like this to raise sums ranging from a few hundred to tens of thousands of dollars to fund anything that captures the imagination of Internet users with a little money to spare.

It worked for Emily Richmond, a 24-year-old living in Los Angeles who plans to sail solo around the world for two years.

She has raised $8,142 from 148 people who will receive rewards such as Polaroid photos from the trip, an origami sailboat or a telephone call when she crosses the equator.

Landon Ray, who runs a marketing software firm called SendPepper.com, gave $500 after showing his 5-year-old daughter Richmond’s video promising to keep donors updated by blog and send rewards such as a coconut mailed from a far-flung port.

“I thought this was a perfect learning experience for my daughter,” Ray said, adding that he also dreamed of sailing the world himself, so it was partly about living vicariously.

Ray also plans to use his sponsorship as a marketing tool.

Many of the projects on the site are by filmmakers, musicians, artists and writers. Project creators set a time limit and a target. If they don’t reach it, they get nothing.

COMMUNITIES ONLINE AND OFFLINE

Jason Bitner’s pitch for $7,500 to pay for post-production of a documentary about the small Midwestern town of La Porte, Indiana, was so popular it raised $12,153.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 18:58:00

Holy cow. Just what I’ve been looking for!

Thanks!

 
Comment by Cassandra
2009-09-04 19:09:21

and I still want to be an astronaut

 
 
Comment by davisdave
2009-09-04 10:41:49

hey guys, ive been thinking about the banks and their foreclosure practices. do you think they are spending their time now foreclosing on homes that will have no recourse, and putting off foreclosing on people who have helocd, and are thus now in a recourse situation. perhaps they are in no hurry, cuz they have the debt slave by the cajones and are more likely to get something eventually. if i was a bank with limited resources, didnt want to flood the market, and wanted to hide losses as long as possible, i would do it this way. sorry if this has already been mentioned, but i dont recall seeing this. have a great weekend everyone!

Comment by Kim
2009-09-04 12:44:51

I think its not so much recourse vs. non-recourse but whether its a judicial or non-judicial foreclosure. Going to court is costly and lengthy, making non-judicial foreclosures the low hanging fruit of the situation.

Illinois is a judicial and recourse state, which is why foreclosures can commonly take two years here, if the FB wants to drag it out.

FBs escaping a recourse mortgage usually declare bankruptcy to get out a deficiency judgement. They can do the foreclosure and bankruptcy simultaneously and live in the house free while the cases move through the courts. That extends the process too.

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-09-04 10:59:11

There’s a widening compensation gap between U.S. CEOs and American workers. And there’s no end in sight to the trend, according to the Institute for Policy Studies, which has been tracking executive pay since 1994.

In 2007, the average ratio between salaries for a chief executive and American worker was 344 to one. That figure dipped to 319 in 2008, but is likely to rise this year, which is “really worrisome,” says John Cavanagh, the Institute’s director.

“If nothing is done — if the federal government does nothing this fall in terms of CEO pay, the ratio will likely go up this year and there will be huge stock option gains by the CEOs of some of the worst-run companies,” he says.

The public’s outrage about CEO pay seems to have died down in recent months as the broader stock market has rallied, and the focus has shifted to health-care reform, among other issues. But Cavanagh says the chasm between the incomes of the average CEO and the average worker is a critical issue.

The gap is “still very, very high, still much higher than most other countries in the world would consider decent and in sync with democracy,” Cavanagh says. “If you go back a generation in this country, on average it was about 30-to-1.”

Time for some progressive taxation. A new tax bracket for CEO’s and Hedge Fund Managers.

Comment by In Colorado
2009-09-04 11:33:11

As someone who was recently laid off from a Megacorp I can only wonder what percentage of my old salary will end up in the pockets of upper management.

I started my new job last week at a Microcorp. Salary and bennies are about the same, but no upaid OT. The only downside is that the drive is much longer.

Comment by Stpn2me
2009-09-05 07:30:33

if the federal government does nothing this fall in terms of CEO pay

Why are we letting the federal govt have anything to say about a private business. I hate how far we are letting our govt reach into our lives…

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 19:15:16

This began in the 1980s with corporate raiders and offshoring.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 11:52:01

Hammer Time…

Inquiry Stokes Unease Over Trading Firms That Shape Markets
Published: September 3, 2009

LONDON — Its superfast, supersecret oil trading software was called the Hammer.

And if the Commodity Futures Trading Commission is right, the name fit well with an intricate scheme that allowed commodity traders in Chicago working for Optiver, a little-known company based in Amsterdam, to put their orders first in line and subtly manipulate the price of oil to the company’s advantage.

Transcripts and taped conversations of actions that took place in 2007, included in the commission’s case, reveal the secretive workings of high-frequency trading, a fast-growing Wall Street business that is suddenly drawing scrutiny in Washington. Critics say this high-speed form of computerized trading, which is used in a wide range of financial markets, enables its practitioners to profit at other investors’ expense.

Traders in the Chicago office of Optiver openly talked among themselves of “whacking” and “bullying up” the price of oil. But when called to account by officials of the New York Mercantile Exchange, they described their actions as just “providing liquidity.”

In July 2008, the commission charged Optiver with manipulating the price of oil; negotiations over a settlement continue.

In the cutthroat world of high-frequency trading, success is a function of speed, secrecy and often a bit of intrigue. Few have been more adroit at these arts than Optiver.

Optiver describes itself as one of the world’s leading liquidity providers, a trading firm that uses its own capital to make markets. It seeks to profit on razor-thin price differences — which can be as small as half a penny — by buying and selling stocks, bonds, futures, options and derivatives. (Derivatives represent about 65 percent of its business, equities 25 percent, and commodities and others make up the remaining 10 percent.)

But the extent to which market making (providing liquidity to markets that need it) and proprietary trading (the pursuit of pure profit with a firm’s own money) can properly coexist has become a thorny question for regulators. They are grappling with an exploding business that makes up as much as half the overall trading in the United States and a growing share in Europe as well.

Comment by measton
2009-09-04 14:01:47

Sounds like we need to levy a tax (1-2cents a share) on these day trades.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-09-04 19:17:24

Saw this as well.

Have I mentioned the financial markets are gamed and manipulated?

 
 
Comment by MovedToAugusta
2009-09-04 12:12:57

90 Minutes till todays latest bank casualty list starts getting announced.

It’s a long weekend, and I can’t decide if that means we will have more or less than the usual 4.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-04 12:54:57

I would be grinning from ear to ear to see the arrogant azzholes at the federal reserve have to open their books for a full blown audit. Of course I’ll believe it when and if it happens.

Outsider Ron Paul finds support for Fed audit.
Fri Sep 4, 2009

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - After decades of pushing long-shot causes like abolishing the income tax and reinstating the gold standard, Republican Representative Ron Paul finds himself in an unaccustomed spot: on the cusp of legislative victory.

A majority of the libertarian-leaning Texan’s colleagues in the House of Representatives support his proposal to increase congressional scrutiny of the Federal Reserve, and the measure could be included in a broader banking overhaul this fall.

But don’t expect the House to take up Paul’s other pet causes, such as pulling out of the United Nations.

Experts say the success of his Federal Reserve Scrutiny Act reflects rising unease with the central bank’s dramatic actions over the past year, rather than any increased influence stemming from Paul’s quixotic 2008 presidential bid.

“He’s finally found the right moment,” said Sarah Binder of the liberal-leaning Brookings Institution.

Paul’s spokeswoman Rachel Mills agrees: “His bill happens to be in the right place at the right time.”

The former obstetrician has pursued unpopular causes in a political career that has earned him the nickname “Dr. No.”

He’s proposed abolishing an alphabet soup of government agencies and repealing federal drug laws. He has called for withdrawing from trade pacts and military alliances like NATO and pulling U.S. troops back from overseas bases.

He was the only member to vote against awarding congressional medals to Pope John Paul II and civil rights leader Rosa Parks. He has defied his party by opposing the Iraq war and speaking out against a proposed ban on gay marriage.

Paul’s 2008 presidential bid attracted a grass-roots following that hired blimps and swamped Web message boards.

Many have continued their activism this year — visitors to RonPaul.com can enjoy songs like “Audit the Fed” written and performed by supporters. His latest book, “End the Fed,” is ranked #22 on Amazon.com’s bestseller list.

UNEXPECTED CLOUT

As a renegade member of a political party that controls neither house of Congress, Paul would seem to have little legislative clout. None of the 57 bills he’s introduced this year have attracted more than 12 co-sponsors.

The exception is his Federal Reserve Transparency Act, which would allow congressional investigators greater access to the Federal Reserve’s records. All 178 House Republicans and 104 Democrats have signed on.

The chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, Democratic Representative Barney Frank, plans to work with Paul to include a Fed audit in broader legislation to revamp financial regulation that could come up for a vote in October.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 13:36:31

Is anyone else at least mildly concerned over what a Fed audit might reveal?

Comment by Carl Morris
2009-09-04 13:51:33

Am I wrong to be more concerned about whatever that might be staying a secret?

 
Comment by ann gogh
2009-09-04 13:55:29

Bear, is that what’s giving you insomnia?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 14:05:43

Nah — it is the RB heat with no air conditioning…

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Comment by measton
2009-09-04 14:04:57

my guess is they will walk out of the room pale and sweating then tell us it’s all good go back to work.

 
Comment by MovedToAugusta
Comment by DennisN
2009-09-04 16:13:16

There’s now also Vantus Bank of Sioux City Iowa and InBank of Oak Forrest Illinois.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 19:49:29

Five bank failures a week occur at an annual rate of 5*52 = 260 bank failures. But not to worry — there are thousands of more banks where those came from, plus potential new banks which might actually be more reluctant to make loans which are unlikely to ever be repaid.

Five more banks fail — 89 so far in 2009
Regulators close banks in Arizona, Illinois, Iowa and Missouri.

Amy Haimerl, CNNMoney dot com senior producer
Last Updated: September 4, 2009: 9:44 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney dot com) — Five small regional banks were closed by regulators on Friday evening, pushing 2009’s tally so far to 88 institutions. Of the five failures, two were in Illinois, and there was one each in Arizona, Iowa and Missouri.

Customers of the banks, however, are protected. The Federal Deposit Insurance Company, which has insured bank deposits since the Great Depression, covers each customer account up to $250,000.

In Illinois, Platinum Community Bank, in Rolling Meadows, and InBank, in Oak Forest, were the latest institutions to be cosed by regulators. This makes for a total of 15 failed Illinois banks this year. The last one to go under was Mutual Bank, in Harvey, on July 31, 2009.

The Office of Thrift Supervision was unable to find a buyer to take over the assets of Platinum Community, which were estimated at $345.6 million with deposits of $305 million. As a result, the FDIC will begin mailing customers checks for their insured deposits beginning on Tues., Sept. 8.

That means customers are out of luck over the weekend and cannot access any of their Platinum Community accounts. “The bank is gone. It no longer exists,” said David Barr, spokesman for the FDIC. “We couldn’t find an appropriate buyer. We don’t do that very often.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 19:55:37

Posted on Fri, Sep. 4, 2009

PhillyDeals: Fannie and Freddie woes trump banking debacle

By Joseph N. DiStefano

Federal banking agents will be out again late this afternoon, walking into the nation’s most troubled banks and taking them over, if today is like most recent Fridays.

The government likes Fridays because it gives staff the weekend to reorganize the bank so customers can get to their money when it reopens for business. It has seized an average of four banks each Friday since the end of June, up from one every other week last year, and none in 2005-06.

The real problem

“Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are much more serious problems,” with tens or hundreds of billions in as-yet-undeclared losses on bad mortgage loans, Isaac added.

The government’s alternatives, since it effectively took over Fannie and Freddie last year: “Keep them as wards of the state forever,” Isaac urged. “Or truly privatize them - break them down into much smaller pieces and sell them off. There’s no way the private sector can deal with something that large.”

How’d we get to this point? “Everybody believed [Fannie and Freddie] had the government’s backing” when they financed increasingly questionable loans in the 1990s and early 2000s, Isaac said. “They weren’t subject to enough discipline.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 20:12:03

I am still expecting housing market capitulation before green shoots sprout into the next credit boom, especially after skimming articles like this one:

Finance and Economics

The wealth effect
Withdrawal symptoms

Sep 3rd 2009
From The Economist print edition
Most new borrowing during America’s housing boom was for spending

HOW big an influence on spending is housing wealth? Hopes for a consumer revival in countries where house prices have slumped rest, in part, on the answer. A purist view is that the value of homes has no “wealth effect” on consumption. An increase in house prices only raises the future cost of shelter. Those about to trade down or sell out receive a windfall, but first-time buyers and those hoping to buy a bigger home are worse off. The overall effect on wealth is a wash. But even if that is correct, house-price increases may still have an impact as they create housing collateral for consumers who could not otherwise borrow. A study* by Atif Mian and Amir Sufi of the University of Chicago’s Booth School of Business pins down the size of this effect, using the credit records of almost 70,000 American borrowers.

Is “purist” an Economist magazine euphemism for “dumb shit”?

What if home prices rise so much relative to incomes, thanks to crazy loans, then lending standards revert to prudent pre-mania sanity? Wouldn’t that pretty much price out almost all the prospective first-time and move-up buyers, making it financially impossible for them to screw themselves, no matter how desperate their desire to do so? Wouldn’t that situation pretty much precipitate a real estate crash for the ages?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-04 20:33:18

A graph that accompanies this article tells a most insightful story about the US underwater mortgage problem.

The take-home message is altogether simple to explain:

1) From 1997 through 2006 or so, US household mortgage debt moved in lockstep with the S&P/Case-Shiller national house price index (R^2 = 99% or so if you ran a simple linear regression of home prices on mortgage debt outstanding);

2) Between 2006 and the present, the S&P/Case-Shiller index crashed while US mortgage debt actually rose!!!

3) The most recent data point shows the level of the S&P/Case-Shiller index down by 40 pct in relative terms to the trend in outstanding household mortgage debt, with which it moved in perfect synchronization up until 2006. I.e., if the value of housing in 2006 had represented 100% of outstanding mortgage debt, it only represents maybe 60% of it at the present.

4) FYI, the value of all US mortgages was $10.5 t as of 2008 (at least according to this Wikipedia article). 40% of that would be $4,200,000,000,000 ($4.2 t). Does that seem like a reasonable estimate of how far the US mortgage market is currently underwater?

 
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