September 7, 2009

Boomed Out

The Pensacola News Journal. “The recession has dealt a whopping blow to Florida. Unemployment is soaring. The state is second to California in the number of foreclosures. Earlier this month came the most jaw-dropping announcement of all: The state that had made population growth the linchpin of its economy for more than 60 years lost a net 58,000 people in the 12 months ending April 1. ‘It’s the end of an era,’ says Robert Lang, director of the Metropolitan Institute at Virginia Tech. ‘Florida represents an entire postwar vision of the good life, palm trees, low cost and no taxes, just easy living. They could turn it around, but in the short haul, it’s paradise lost.’”

“‘The time is long past when Florida’s economy can be based on waiting at the Welcome Center with a glass of free orange juice and a real estate map,’ says state Sen. Don Gaetz, R-Crestview. ‘We have to do far better than that. We are learning a great deal from the difficulties we’re undergoing.’”

The Herald Tribune. “During the real estate boom, Marc and Erica Ayala began promising careers. When they were still in their 20s, just a few years out of Bayshore High School, she sold homes and condos while he became a construction superintendent. Then the boom went bust and their jobs disappeared. Now Marc works as a cable TV installer, while Erica studies to become a dental assistant.”

“‘This is a big change,’ said Erica, 29. ‘We’re cutting back, downsizing from two cars to one, moving from a house to an apartment.’”

“Their egos were bruised along with their pocketbooks. ‘It was all on the upside and then, all of a sudden, it was like the world just stopped,’ said Marc, 31. ‘I had to put my pride on the side.’”

The Orlando Sentinel. “Sylvia Roig, a 38-year-old single mom, lived in Buenaventura Lakes for nine years. An accountant, she became a mortgage broker six years ago in order to work from home and spend more time with her two young children. When the housing market went bust, she struggled to keep a roof over their head.”

“In April, Roig rented out her BVL home and moved in with her 84-year-old grandmother, who lived alone in her three-bedroom home in Arecibo. She’s been freelancing as an accountant and has started a home-based cake-making business. She wants to return to Central Florida if things here improve. ‘Schools are better [in Central Florida] than here, government agencies are not so chaotic and crime is not such a big worry,’ Roig said. ‘But right now, it’s about keeping our heads above water.’”

The Las Vegas Sun. “Nevada ranks third in the nation in unemployment, with Clark County feeling the bulk of the pain. The jobless rate here is more than 13 percent. Two decades of explosive growth have slammed to a halt and the region is reeling. The consensus among workers is clear: Las Vegas, as they put it, is ‘boomed out.’”

“Steve Ross, head of the Southern Nevada Building and Construction Trades Council, acknowledged the slowing economy has caught workers off guard. ‘Las Vegas is not like other cities. The boom has gone on so long, for so many years, that we’ve gotten very used to that,’ he said. ‘We have been spoiled here.’”

“Construction workers, in particular, see a dim future here. Jennifer Todd, an ironworker steward at CityCenter, is supporting a family of five on her salary. Her husband, James Brunty, was laid off at Fontainebleau in October and hasn’t been able to find work since — here or elsewhere. The couple bought a house last year and are struggling to pay the mortgage.”

“‘People are losing their houses,’ Todd said. ‘They can’t pay their bills. And if they’re lucky enough to have a job, there’s daily worry about layoffs.’”

The East Valley Tribune. “As the nation’s unemployment rate hits a more than quarter-century high of 9.7 percent, a top Arizona labor union leader expressed concern that the recession hasn’t bottomed out quite yet in the state. ‘It’s rough out there and it’s across the board,’ said Rebekah Friend, executive director of Arizona AFL-CIO. ‘We hear of people whose wages are already low and then for them to be forced to take one day a month off or a week off unpaid puts them in a downward spiral.’”

“The future in Luiz Zepeda’s eyes looks pretty grim. The 44-year-old Gilbert resident, a merchandise stocker at Target, used to work 50 to 60 hours, but is now down to 32 hours a week. He’s making about $300 less a month these days. On top of that, his wife, a hairstylist, also is making about that much less.”

“Zepeda was one of those whose adjustable rate mortgage loans more than doubled when the economy dipped, going from $866 to $1,966. He’s trying to modify his home loan right now, to lower the mortgage. He hasn’t made a house payment in two months.”

Zepeda was one of those whose adjustable rate mortgage loans more than doubled when the economy dipped, going from $866 to $1,966. He said he’d invested the money he saved because of the lower initial payments. But to take that out right now would mean being forced to pay about $2,000 in fees, which is just not worth it. He’s considering taking on another part-time job.”

“‘We’ve used up our savings,’ he said. ‘I’m hoping the loan modification works, but if it doesn’t, you gotta do what you gotta do.’”

The Ventura County Star. “On Labor Day 2009, what Californians need most is a lot more labor. In its annual report on the state of working Californians, released today, the nonpartisan California Budget Project reports the job losses suffered during what is being called the ‘Great Recession’ wiped out all the gains of the previous recovery and that the total number of jobs in the state is now roughly what it was nine years ago when there were 3.3 million fewer working-age adults.”

“California has been hit more severely by the recession than most states — its unemployment rate is now the fourth-highest in the nation — and the reason, the report says, is the state is paying the price for a housing market that was hyper-inflated before the real estate bust. Job losses since the beginning of the recession have been most severe in the housing sector. Employment in the construction industry is down nearly 30 percent, and jobs in financial services associated with mortgages, escrows and other housing-related transactions are off 11 percent.”

“‘During the last recovery, housing and housing-related industries contributed about 60 percent of the job growth,’ said Executive Director Jean Ross. ‘Housing during the early years of this decade just drove the California economy. It is hard to overstate the importance of housing over the last decade.’”

The Desert Sun. “Sandi Lott has tried to retire — several times. After 30 years as a real estate agent, Lott said she retired as she approached age 60 but soon went into the network-marketing business before trying to retire again. Now, the 74-year-old Palm Springs resident works part-time as the Mizell Senior Center’s volunteer coordinator and front desk manager.”

“‘While I’m a published writer, staying home and writing, I was going to the malls and spending money that wasn’t coming in,’ she said. ‘I wasn’t staying busy enough.’”

From Fox 40. “A report found that two of five working-age Californians do not have a job, underscoring the challenges in one of the toughest job markets in decades. The last time employment levels among this group were this low was February 1977, according to a study by the California Budget Project. Stephen Levy, director and senior economist for the Center for Continuing Study of the California Economy, said what’s different this Labor Day is that it’s not just the unemployed who are worried. There also is widespread fear and unease among those who still have jobs.”

“‘It’s a very disappointing Labor Day weekend,’ said Levy, who is not connected to the report by the California Budget Project. ‘We have record unemployment. But more than that, people who still have a job have seen their home values and retirement savings decrease.’”

The Modesto Bee. “With the unemployment rate hovering in the high teens in most valley counties, economic forecasters can offer only cold comfort with predictions of several more months of job losses before the trend starts to gradually turn around. ‘I think a year from now we’re going to be talking about unemployment rates similar to what we have now,’ said Jeff Michael, director of the Business Forecasting Center at the University of the Pacific. ‘In terms of really getting back to where we were before the recession, we’re looking at years — maybe 2013, 2014.’”

“‘One position I applied for had 140 applicants and I’m finding that typical wherever I go,’ said Ceres resident Mike Martin, while looking for work at a recent Modesto job fair. ‘It’s really frustrating. I look at the stock market and I see some things recovering. But from a grass-roots level, I don’t see any recovery yet.’”

“Michael, with UOP’s Business Forecasting Center, said the region could be burdened with double-digit unemployment for five years. He said any indicators of recovery will come from signs of stabilization in the housing market, slowdowns of store closures, loosening of credits market and increases in consumer confidence.”

“While painful, Michael said, this recession may alter personal and corporate spending habits to such an extent as to prevent another boom-and-bust recession of this magnitude. ‘In some ways, this is making things more normal,’ he said. ‘We had almost a 15-year erosion of savings and more spending. … So some of this is healthy. We want a recovery that is sustainable and not one that is artificially propped up by a new, nonsustainable thing.’”

The Press Democrat. “He had his own Boeing 737 jet, a $385,000 Mercedes-Benz, homes in Hawaii and a $16 million estate being built on a hill in Santa Rosa’s exclusive Shiloh Ridge neighborhood — all by the time he was 45. Robert W. O’Neel III was living large, brokering real estate deals across two continents with the financial backing of Wall Street and from Sonoma County lenders, including a $3.5 million loan from Clem Carinalli, the county’s largest individual landowner. And then about two years ago, it all began to fall apart.”

“As a result of hubris, the collapse of the financial markets or some combination of both, O’Neel’s empire is in ruins, with his partially built dream estate overlooking the Mayacama Golf Club wrapped in protective seal and abandoned.”

“‘I crashed and burned,’ O’Neel, 46, said recently while seated in the conference room of his attorney’s office in downtown Santa Rosa. ‘I can’t blame anybody but myself. Why did I start that house? Why didn’t I wait until a certain … You know, I can look back at all kinds of things and say I never should have done it. But I can’t. Those were decisions I made at the time.’”

The Union. “He watched the housing market ebb and flow, cresting sometime in 2006, when the median price for a Nevada County home topped at $465,000. Scott Stephan simply wanted to stay close to home. But the 35-year-old heating and air conditioning project manager knew that he would have to wait for the housing market to cool before he could turn up the heat on his own effort to buy a house.”

“He was going through a divorce when prices were at their zenith, which complicated matters, he said. ‘I thought for sure we’d never be able to buy a home in Nevada County,’ said Stephan. ‘But eventually, the timing was right and the prices were cheap.’”

“In April, Stephan married Delia. In June, the couple and Stephan’s two young children moved into a $250,000, three-bedroom, two-bath home on five acres in Rough and Ready, not far from his parents. Though Stephan pays about $550 more a month for a mortgage, the home and patch of land are his. The home, which Stephan said he believes was rebuilt after the devastating 49er Fire in 1988, needs some new windows, siding and ventilation upgrades, which he will pay for with the $8,000 federal tax credit.”

“‘I just wanted to have my own house, so I can do whatever I want, whenever I want,’ he said.”

“That’s part of the appeal, Stephan said — making the house his own. He pays more than he did to rent a place, but there’s nothing like coming home to a place that’s yours, he said. ‘We made some budget adjustments and didn’t even notice the difference,’ said Stephan, who has an $1,800 monthly mortgage payment. ‘As long as you have decent credit and you know your job is stable, you have nothing to lose.’”




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Comment by cereal
2009-09-07 09:22:30

““Sylvia Roig, a 38-year-old single mom, lived in Buenaventura Lakes for nine years. An accountant, she became a mortgage broker six years ago in order to work from home and spend more time with her two young children. When the housing market went bust, she struggled to keep a roof over their head.”

False. She was chasing easy money. There are numerous ways for a good accountant to work out of the house. Not a victim here, people. There is nothing to see.

 
Comment by Neil
2009-09-07 09:49:18

““‘The time is long past when Florida’s economy can be based on waiting at the Welcome Center with a glass of free orange juice and a real estate map,’”

Free OJ, now I understand how the distributed the Kool Aid! ;)

Got Popcorn?
Neil

Comment by snake charmer
2009-09-07 11:15:17

The amusing thing was to see palm trees planted in parts of north Florida where they didn’t belong, like the Tallahassee airport, just to reassure arrivals that they truly had entered Jimmy Buffett territory and it was safe to put on a flower-print shirt and flip-flops.

The decline in this state’s population is something I’ve been loudly predicting for awhile. I expect it to become endemic, as retirees die and are not replaced. Some of these golf courses are going to revert to a wild state, without objection from me. Among the worst effects of the bubble: according to today’s St. Pete Times, the cost of living in Florida has increased 25% in the last six years.

Comment by Daniel Manfre
2009-09-07 19:04:55

I predicted this would happen in Phoenix back in 2005. At some point, the cost is too great. Take CA for example, it will always command a premium due to the beautiful climate; however, not at any price.

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2009-09-09 11:12:34

I think that as long as Florida remains affordable, you’ll continue to see a steady stream of Northeasterners flow into the state in the long run.

 
 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-09-08 07:20:53

I drank some of that OJ while visiting Florida some time back. Hope it didn’t have lifelong effects! ;)

 
 
Comment by cereal
2009-09-07 09:56:52

“The couple bought a house last year and are struggling to pay the mortgage.” (Las Vegas pp)

Remind me again why this couple bought a house LAST year. Could they not read the writing on the walls? Time to increase the font size.

Comment by DennisN
2009-09-07 13:00:33

Ah, but didn’t Ponce de Leon discover the font of youth in Florida? What other fonts should they use? ;)

Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2009-09-07 16:05:38

Judging from the Floridians in my area, drinking from that fountain of youth didn’t do them any good!

 
 
 
Comment by Marefynn, NY, NY
2009-09-07 10:11:16

This is a continuing story in Florida. It’s just relatively new on a nationwide scale. Has anyone ever viewed the Marx Brothers classic:
Cocanuts? This is a comic retelling of the most famous Florida landboom.

It is interesting to note that Groucho Max lost all of his money in the stock market crash and was forced out of retirement. In one sense, we have the Depression to thank for his works of comic genius.

Everything old is new again.

Comment by Jim A.
2009-09-07 20:57:48

I’m guessing that Get Stucco, a regular commenter hers has seen it.

Comment by DebtinNation
2009-09-09 11:14:15

Get Stucco, aka Professor Bear.

 
 
 
Comment by Silverback1011
2009-09-07 10:25:14

I have read that his losses in the stock market pushed him into lifelong depression and inability to sleep. He had been warned to take at least some of his money out of the stock market, but refused to listen to the conservative advice. He was remorseful for the rest of his life, and had to work due to his financial anxieties ( not really due to actual his circumstances, because he had recovered and prospered ) almost up to the end of his days.

Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-07 11:56:15

Wow. Didn’t know that Silver.

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2009-09-07 13:05:29

Thanks, Ate. I guess there’s something wrong with the way my brain is processing words, because I meant to type, ” not really due to his actual circumstances”, not ” not really due to actual his circumstances”. Human neurology is weird.

 
 
Comment by cereal
2009-09-07 10:28:19

“The future in Luiz Zepeda’s eyes looks pretty grim. The 44-year-old Gilbert resident, a merchandise stocker at Target, used to work 50 to 60 hours, but is now down to 32 hours a week. He’s making about $300 less a month these days. On top of that, his wife, a hairstylist, also is making about that much less.”

25 less hrs a week * 4 weeks = 100 less hours a month. Yet his wages have dropped only 300 a month?

What’s wrong with this picture?

Comment by DebtinNation
2009-09-09 11:15:44

Dope sales on the side?

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-09-07 11:14:38

“Now, Erica is willing to sacrifice income for security. Fewer highs and lows, along with more time for her son.

“I want something that will be recession-proof,” she said, laughing. “People always need their teeth cleaned.”

Yes, but they don’t always do it, especially when they don’t have the money. Then it’s the old “moist baking soda on an old T-Shirt” trick, just to keep the moss off.

Comment by desertdweller
2009-09-07 11:57:23

I know of a young lady who ‘graduated’ from dental assistant school in CO in June who still can’t find a job as a dental assistant.
june,july, august,….and so on. Gosh, people are even cutting back on dental visits. Didn’t we just talk about that the other day. Someones Dentist was calling to suggest a visit, new upsales?

Like I said, Cupcake. Cake Bubbles.
Dental assistant bubbles and so forth.

Comment by snake charmer
2009-09-07 12:53:59

Along with Escalades, laser eye surgery, trips to Las Vegas, and private school enrollment, the proliferation of cosmetic dentistry practitioners was one of the things that perplexed me before I learned just how much of our spending was due to home equity withdrawal.

 
Comment by Suzyk
2009-09-07 21:14:20

Heck even my eye doctor is trying “pre-schedule” the yearly eye exam (as if my insuance pays for it more than every other year). Dental you say? Yeah let’s just put off everything non-essential, even that crown. Yessir I have crappy dental coverage… my share is anywhere from 50-30% depending on what one is having done…and don’t get me started on my so-called medical insurance. My husband on the other hand has great coverage through the union. Unions, they’re so silly to believe that decent wages & benefits makes a worker a better, higher spending consumer. Don’t they know that we should pay the crap wages & benefits they do at places like Hel*Mart or better yet, in forgein contries where the standard of living is so much higher than ours…geez get a clue……

 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-07 11:59:00

I had an Ate-Up friend of mine from high school, who had a hang up.

He would walk up to people and say “your teeth are dead”.

Never told anyone what it meant.

It was pretty cool.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-09-07 11:15:48

“We want a recovery that is sustainable and not one that is artificially propped up by a new, nonsustainable thing.’”

You mean like Goldman Sachs death bonds?

Comment by desertdweller
2009-09-07 11:53:37

Palmy, sort of like in the movies/old photos of the wild wild west, where the dead person is in a standup coffin while all passers by can view and watch them photograph the deceased?
Propped up?

Yep, love that gold sucks is hot on the insurance policy trail.
Sort of like a movie monster, gollum-like that gobbles up all the crumbs no matter what the crumbs were from, growling and snipping to keep others away or curious bystanders.

Comment by palmetto
2009-09-07 13:42:53

desert, what perplexes me, is how come there aren’t any town hall meetings over the death bonds? I’m not particularly a fan of Obie, but I was pretty shocked how the health care thing was distorted out of all proportion, and I’m dead set against health care reform myself, unless it’s single payer.

But here’s a real issue to be outraged about, and I don’t seen anyone from Fox News getting up on their hind legs and braying.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-07 14:40:20

Their corporate overlords didn’t push the ‘fire up the morons’ button. That’s reserved for anything that might cost the big boyz some money. Never, ever, ever to be used against them. (I mean, could you imagine Fox ever breaking a ‘Ford Pinto’ kind of story? Not in this corner of the multiverse.)

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-09-07 17:56:26

So Fox didn’t carry it. Did NPR carry it?

 
Comment by pismoclam
2009-09-07 18:10:33

The ‘big boys’, GE who own NBC and the wind turbine technology among others have given hundreds of millions to Obama; the big Pharma are also giving a hundred mil or so to the messiah if he won’t kneecap them. Even AARP has been bought off by Obama to support his policy. Put Tort reform in the bill; allow HSA’s to exist; Don’t take the 500 billion from medicare as is planned! What else did you want ?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-09-07 18:31:10

CNBC didn’t get the ’support Obama’ memo. I was referring to Fox because that’s who fired up the moron’s who shouted down the last town hall meetings.

 
Comment by In Montana
2009-09-08 05:05:31

Yeah that must have been it.

 
 
Comment by desertdweller
2009-09-07 14:46:03

Palmy, isn’t that the truth.
How come the distorted outrage on lies/misinformation etc, but now the public is not even aware this insurance deal is occuring?
WHEW.

Makes me want to move to Ecuador or ?

But the public has to be force fed this information and why it is not a good thing.
Don’t get it.

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Comment by palmetto
2009-09-07 16:18:37

Living here in Retirementville can be very interesting at times. You can see how we got here, looking at some members of the so-called Greatest Generation.

I wuz at the pool today for a bit of a swim and here’s some guy in his 70s lecturing three land-whale ladies (about the same age, maybe late 60s) who were hanging on his every word. He’s saying “Rachel Carson wrote The Silent Spring and that book was responsible for killing more people” and then I couldn’t hear the rest of what he was saying, but I wanted to heave in the pool. I’m sure he was trying to make a case for people getting bit by bugs or mosquitoes and dying, because DDT was banned or whatever.

Anyway, some of these old Archie Bunker types are a royal pain in the patootie and REALLY stupid. Nothing like having a bunch of she-whales listening with rapt attention.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2009-09-07 19:07:58

Palmetto, have you read the book Leisureville, generally about The Villages in Sumter County? Highly recommended.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by skroodle
2009-09-07 11:40:21

Jeff Michael, director of the Business Forecasting Center at the University of the Pacific. ‘In terms of really getting back to where we were before the recession, we’re looking at years — maybe 2013, 2014.

Do these people even realize what they are saying? Does this guy really think the economy and housing bubble can re-inflate in a mere 4 years?

Unless he really meant 2023 and 2024.

Comment by wmbz
2009-09-07 12:56:59

“Do these people even realize what they are saying”?

I don’t think they do. I would have asked the guy, what do you base this prediction on? Cause it sure is hell isn’t on any historical comparisons.

Comment by Timmy Boy
2009-09-07 13:39:44

.

Maybe he’s talking about the housing market returning to 2007 after MASSIVE INFLATION takes hold.

Just a thought.

 
 
Comment by anotherblackhat
2009-09-07 16:25:51

Maybe in 2013-2014 years…sometime in the 41st century.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-09-07 16:41:43

To be fair, this commentator who mentioned 2013 and 2014 seemed to be talking about unemployment rates, not about house prices. Almost all of us here agree that house prices will be lower in 2013-2014 than they are today, and CERTAINLY lower than they were in 2006; but we might not all agree that employment will remain depressed.

I personally believe that employment will remain depressed for a long time, but I don’t feel that anyone who disagrees with this is necessarily a jacka$$…whereas anyone who thinks house prices are coming back that fast is indeed a moron.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2009-09-07 21:42:08

But could it be less certain on how we personally feel (to be fair) when someone is necessarily a jacka$$ but not indeed a moron?

 
 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-07 12:50:13

..“While painful, [ Jeff Michael, director of the Business Forecasting Center at the University of the Pacific ] said, this recession may alter personal and corporate spending habits to such an extent as to prevent another boom-and-bust recession of this magnitude…

What a dreamer.. he should be writing fiction.

 
Comment by Lucifer
2009-09-07 13:14:52

joeyinCalif,

eCONomics is fiction. It is too bad that it destroys the life of so many others

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-07 13:34:09

“In April, Roig rented out her BVL home and moved in with her 84-year-old grandmother, who lived alone in her three-bedroom home in Arecibo.”

One of many stakes currently protruding from the heart of housing demand is household consolidation between relatives for survival purposes. I have to confess the idea has crossed my mind on numerous occasions.

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-09-07 14:48:35

What does an 84-year old grandmother living alone need a three-bedroom house for? A place to keep the bottles of Rose de Old Lady?

Comment by snake charmer
2009-09-07 16:20:56

Excellent point, although three bedrooms in Arecibo, PR, likely is way different than three bedrooms in Orlando. It’s also possible that “three rooms” got converted into “three bedrooms” somewhere during the reporting of the story.

 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-09-07 16:39:59

Maybe she’s an empty nester and stayed in the same house where she raised her kids.

Comment by wolfgirl
2009-09-07 16:45:44

Also the thought of moving may have been more than she could deal with. My sil’s house is far too big for just her,but she won’t consider selling. Of course now is probably notthe time to sell sinceshe doesn’t have to do so.

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Comment by pismoclam
2009-09-07 18:02:36

How about a case of J.D. ? hehehehahaha

Comment by DennisN
2009-09-07 19:42:43

I have a case of J.D. - it’s needed to be let into the bar. ;)

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-09-07 18:34:58

Well maybe it’s belongs to her and she intends on staying there until she dies. Sheesh.

Comment by SouthFL
2009-09-07 22:08:42

+1

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-07 13:36:41

‘In terms of really getting back to where we were before the recession, we’re looking at years — maybe 2013, 2014.’

:-)

Comment by desertdweller
2009-09-07 14:48:23

‘In terms of really getting back to where we were before the recession, we’re looking at years — maybe 2013, 2014.’

:-)

just wanted to repeat it in case someone needs a reminder..that it aint happenin like before. And certainly not that soon.

Comment by Mark in San Diego
2009-09-07 15:23:28

That was the quote I wanted to comment upon too, from all the stories - 2013 or 2014!. . .that is why this is still a slow moving train wreck. . .people think things are going to “turn around” in a year or so (although a few more people wake up every day). This type of attitude has made things worse for most families because they have drained all of their savings to pay the mortgage, then the credit cards are maxed out, and they still go into foreclsoure. If they had given the house back to the bank two years ago, they would be well on their way to a personal recovery.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-09-08 04:50:35

‘In terms of really getting back to where we were before the recession, we’re looking at years — maybe 2013, 2014.’

That was in reference to employment levels. Certainly the mix of employment seen around 2005 isn’t coming back anytime soon, if ever, and certainly not by 2013 or 2014. Even that level of employment by 2013 or 2014 is doubtful and even that wasn’t as high as employment levels of the late 90’s.

We mostly still seem to be delaying the day of reckoning rather than building the foundation of a sustainable economy. Even if somehow we were to get back to 2005 employment levels in 2014, would wage levels be comparable? Highly doubtful.

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-09-07 18:36:34

Don’t forget the qualifer MAYBE. Gives the economist plenty of cover.

 
 
Comment by dimedropped
2009-09-07 17:54:50

Guys, guys can’t you see the green shoots? They are everywhere. Everything here in Orlando is coming up roses. Palmy can’t you smell them?

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-09-07 18:40:51

Momma Rose
[Speaking] Finish? We’re just beginning and there’s no one to stop at this time!
I had a dream, a dream about you, baby.
It’s gonna come true, baby.
They think that we’re through, but baby,

You’ll be swell! You’ll be great!
Gonna have the whole world on the plate!
Starting here, starting now,
honey, everything’s coming up roses!

Clear the decks! Clear the tracks!
You’ve got nothing to do but relax.
Blow a kiss. Take a bow.
Honey, everything’s coming up roses!

Now’s your inning. Stand the world on it’s ear!
Set it spinning! That’ll be just the beginning!
Curtain up! Light the lights!
You got nothing to hit but the heights!
You’ll be swell. You’ll be great.
I can tell. Just you wait.
That lucky star I talk about is due!
Honey, everything’s coming up roses for me and for you!

You can do it, all you need is a hand.
We can do it, Mama is gonna see to it!
Curtain up! Light the lights!
We got nothing to hit but the heights!
I can tell, wait and see.
There’s the bell! Follow me!
And nothing’s gonna stop us ’til we’re through!
Honey, everything’s coming up roses and daffodils!
Everything’s coming up sunshine and Santa Claus!
Everything’s gonna be bright lights and lollipops!
Everything’s coming up roses for me and for you!

Lyrics by Stephen Sondheim and music by Jule Styne

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-07 19:24:04

Who among the readers here are lucky enough to live in one of the top five most stressful cities in America?

I can vouch for the fact that San Diego is actually less stressful now than at the height of the housing bubble, when construction firms towing heavy equipment plus UHS and flippers rushing to their next deals kept the freeways perpetually clogged. By contrast, today’s San Diego area traffic is downright manageable. Not so much in LA, though…

America’s Most Stressful Cities 2009

By Sarah Lynch, Forbes dot com

Aug 21st, 2009

Sinking property values, high unemployment and prices, and poor environments add to the pressure felt by residents in these metros.

Few enjoy their commute. Just ask Stephen Dinwiddie, M.D., a psychiatrist at the University of Chicago.

“I think anybody who, like I do, commutes on the Kennedy on a daily basis knows exactly what stress is,” he says, of his daily home-to-work commute on Chicago’s expressway that extends from the Chicago Loop to O’Hare International Airport. “It takes anywhere from 30 minutes to several centuries–at least subjectively.”

But more pressing factors make Chicago for the second year in a row the country’s most stressful city. Crowding, poor air quality, a high 11% unemployment rate and free-falling home values have created a cocktail of constant worry affecting many in the Windy City.

Los Angeles, Calif., ranks second, followed by New York, N.Y., Cleveland, Ohio, and Providence, R.I.

Comment by SDGreg
2009-09-08 04:32:12

“Year-over-year housing-price drops may also be behind Americans’ anxiety.”

Whether that’s stressful or not depends on one’s situation. Did they consider it stressful when housing costs were skyrocketing? That’s stressful. Paying less for housing is not. As expensive as most things are here, having any of them fall in price is a stress reliever.

I agree on the San Diego traffic trends/stress. Traffic during peak commute periods appears to be the least going back to at least 1998 and was much worse a few years ago. But however bad it got here, it was positively hideous in Los Angeles by comparison.

 
 
Comment by Eddie
2009-09-08 05:31:21

You’d think with the woes in Las Vegas, one could get some cheap hotel rates. Nope. Still $400+ a night for Wynn.

Comment by CA renter
2009-09-08 17:20:17

We’ve seen this in a number of resort-style places we’ve checked into.

With all the “bad news” in the media, I had thought we might be able to get a good deal on a family staycation. No dice. If there are any “deals,” they certainly aren’t very tempting. We can just stay in our lovely rental, instead. :)

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2009-09-09 11:27:18

Dude, I’m sure you can pay $400 a night for the Wynn if you want to (rack rate?), but I’ve never paid more than $179. In fact, I just did an Expedia search right now, and it’s as low as $139.

 
 
Comment by Awaiting Bubble Rubble
2009-09-08 22:43:21

“jobs in financial services associated with mortgages, escrows and other housing-related transactions are off 11 percent.”

I worked for the nation’s biggest mortgage lender at their corporate headquarters in Calabasas during the height of the insanity. If jobs in this industry are down only 11% then there is a LOT farther to fall. At the height of the insanity when anybody who could originate anything made six figures, there were high school dropouts galore working 60-80 hours/week and blowing their mega-incomes on toys. I’m virtually certain that most of those guys are gone now and contributing to the foreclosure numbers. I think in reality those jobs have fallen dramatically more than 11%, probably more like 60% with more jobs to vanish. The secondary markets are no longer going to buy loans that are not based on economics and based solely on economics there is a very small mortgage industry right now in CA.

 
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