Bits Bucket For September 27, 2009
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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good morning to all you geniuses.Watching some racing from singapore this morning.Might make it to a couple open houses to do some investigating.
Good morning everyone….
Bloomberg blames it on the housing bust and reduced spending. What a novel concept:
U.S. Stocks Fall Most Since July on Home Sales, Durable Goods
By Elizabeth Stanton
Sept. 26 (Bloomberg) — U.S. stocks fell the most since July this week as disappointing housing and durable goods reports raised concern that the market’s record six-month rally has outpaced the prospects for an economic recovery.
Home Depot Inc. and General Electric Co. dropped as sales of new homes rose less than forecast and demand for goods made to last several years unexpectedly fell. Bank of America Corp. and American Express Co. lost more than 4.8 percent after the Federal Reserve said it will cut the size of two programs meant to bolster credit markets. Commodity producers declined as crude oil and metals prices retreated.
The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index fell 2.2 percent to 1,044.38 as all 10 of its industry groups declined. The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost 155.01 points, or 1.6 percent, to 9.665.19. The Nasdaq Composite Index slid 2 percent to 2,090.92. The Russell 2000 Index of small companies retreated 3.1 percent to 598.94. The indexes closed at their highest levels of the year on Sept. 22.
“Over the last six months, we’ve had a huge, huge rally,” Keith Wirtz, chief investment officer at Fifth Third Asset Management Inc., which oversees $20 billion in Cincinnati, said in a Bloomberg Television interview. “It wouldn’t be unusual at all for this market to show some churn a bit, some pullback from this great run that we’ve had.”
Strategist Forecasts
The S&P 500 soared 58 percent through Sept. 22 from a 12- year low on March 9, climbing above the year-end forecasts from all but one of the 10 projections by forecasters in a Bloomberg survey. The index closed at 1,071.66 on Sept. 22, 3.3 percent above the 1,037 average forecast of the 10 strategists at Wall Street’s biggest securities firms.
The companies in the S&P 500 traded at 19.7 times their profits from continuing operations over the past year on Sept. 18, the most expensive level since 2004, according to weekly data compiled by Bloomberg.
The benchmark index for U.S. stock options rose for the first time in three weeks as investors paid higher prices for insurance against declines in the S&P 500. The VIX, as the Chicago Board Options Exchange Volatility Index is known, rose 7.1 percent to 25.61.
Home Depot, the world’s largest home-improvement chain, lost 4.9 percent to $26.85 as new home sales increased 0.7 percent to a 429,000 annual pace in August, less than the 440,000 median forecast of 75 economists in a Bloomberg News survey. Existing home sales unexpectedly slowed in August, signaling the housing recovery will take longer to gain speed.
Homebuilders in S&P indexes slid 10 percent, the group’s biggest weekly retreat since May. KB Home, the Los Angeles-based builder that sells to first-time buyers, led the declines, falling 16 percent to $16.96.
“KB Home, the Los Angeles-based builder that sells to first-time buyers”
Oh. my. jeebus. They sell to FIRST TIME HOME BUYERS! What a novel idea. I don’t think any other builder has done THAT before.
OTOH, maybe I was being unnecessarily sarcastic. Could be she’s trying to make the point that KB, having a larger share of the first time buyer market, is seeing that market dry up.
U.S. Job Seekers Exceed Openings by Record Ratio
By PETER S. GOODMAN
Published: September 26, 2009
“Despite signs that the economy has resumed growing, unemployed Americans now confront a job market that is bleaker than ever in the current recession, and employment prospects are still getting worse.”
“…In Milwaukee, Debbie Kransky has been without work since February, when she was laid off from a medical billing position — her second job loss in two years. She has exhausted her unemployment benefits, because her last job lasted for only a month.
Indeed, in a perverse quirk of the unemployment system, she would have qualified for continued benefits had she stayed jobless the whole two years, rather than taking a new position this year. But since her latest unemployment claim stemmed from a job that lasted mere weeks, she recently drew her final check of $340.
Ms. Kransky, 51, has run through her life savings of roughly $10,000. Her job search has garnered little besides anxiety.
“I’ve worked my entire life,” said Ms. Kransky, who lives alone in a one-bedroom apartment. “I’ve got October rent. After that, I don’t know. I’ve never lived month to month my entire life. I’m just so scared, I can’t even put it into words.”
Last week, Ms. Kransky was invited to an interview for a clerical job with a health insurance company. She drove her Jeep truck downtown and waited in the lobby of an office building for nearly an hour, but no one showed. Despondent, she drove home, down $10 in gasoline.”
Sad, but is going to get worse. Job loss is driving this recession now.
http://tinyurl.com/y87o2pt
from article
In the suburbs of Chicago, Vicki Redican, 52, has been unemployed for almost two years, since she lost her $75,000-a-year job as a sales and marketing manager at a plastics company. College-educated, Ms. Redican first sought another management job. More recently, she has tried and failed to land a cashier’s position at a local grocery store, and a barista slot at a Starbucks coffee shop.
Substitute teaching assignments once helped her pay the bills. “Now, there are so many people substitute teaching that I can no longer get assignments,” she said.
“I’ve learned that I can’t look to tomorrow,” she said. “Every day, I try to do the best I can. I say to myself, ‘I don’t control this process.’ That’s the only way you can look at it. Otherwise, you’d have to go up on the roof and crack your head open.”
More recently, she has tried and failed to land a cashier’s position at a local grocery store, and a barista slot at a Starbucks coffee shop.
It’s easy for a “professional” to think that, if worst comes to worst, they can just get a job at Starbucks, Target, etc. The thing is, at that level you’re competing with a larger % of the “uneducated” workforce. The odds are more greatly in one’s favor at the white-collar level.
Who will have a positive attitude that Starbucks and Target are god’s gift to my future….
The thing is, at that level you’re competing with a larger % of the “uneducated” workforce.
The thing is, at that level you’re competing with a larger % of the “uneducated” workforce.
yeah and the employers treat you even worse. Plenty of working stiffs with retail experience to choose from, and no gratitude that someone with a Masters Degree!!! wants to work for you.
“… and no gratitude that someone with a Masters Degree!!! wants to work for you.”
Because the hiring manager knows that as soon as things pick up, that person will be gone. As a hiring manager, I very rarely hired overqualified people, only if the rest of the applicants didn’t make the grade.
Logically, it should work against you, no?
Every manager knows that you are “making do” and will leave when the economy changes so they should, quite logically, be disinclined to hire people with more education.
If I were them, I’d leave a few degrees out of the resume in the first place.
“I very rarely hired overqualified people”
And not hiring a qualified applicant for being “overqualified” is illegal my friend. You’re the type that deserves to find out the hard way.
I’m not sure if it’s illegal. Where is the law? I do think it’s a slap in the face to get some digs into higher educated people who more often than not are paid much more than those who had no college education. It’s more like vengeance on the hiring managers’ part.
The best thing any white collar college degreed professional should do is be an extreme saver in the good times, so that they can laugh at the flunkee hiring managers in the bad times. And yes, water-down your credentials. Don’t mention your college degree in your targeted resume.
All the unemployed need is an H1-b visa and the interviews will just happen.
Bill in Carolina:
You really blew this one…..YOU multiplied by thousands a day who make DUMB decision like this, are the reason our country wont get out of this anytime soon
How do you know people will leave? How do you know this job maybe be perfectly fine because its close to home?
Why travel an hour each way in heavy traffic for a lousy $10,000 more a year? Or…. The hours are great to go back to night school? All sorts of good reasons why people stay at jobs.
Remember Bill I run into people like you daily
OVER QUALIFIED REALLY MEANS WE WANT TO HIRE A MORON
OR:
ALL WE HAVE TO OFFER IS A DEAD END JOB, SO WE NEED TO HIRE A DEAD END EMPLOYEE
Are you getting the message clearly?
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Because the hiring manager knows that as soon as things pick up, that person will be gone. As a hiring manager, I very rarely hired overqualified people,
I like your anger!
… I think.
Me too!
We college educated professionals usually have more net worth than the hiring managers who use “over qualified as an excuse. In the long run we win!
It’s not over-qualified, it’s over-threatened. Dumb managers prefer to hire employees they think are dumber than they are, which is stupid, since smart employees can make them look good to their superiors. so it goes…
I have long intended to leave all degrees off any job app, but i wonder if there would be a penalty.
“not over-qualified, it’s over-threatened. Dumb managers prefer to hire employees they think are dumber than they are, which is stupid, since smart employees can make them look good to their superiors. so it goes…”
I agree 100% with your statement.
They fear that a smarter hire will one day replace them.
The goal of hiring is getting a good match for the job. A former manager, for instance, might not adapt well to being at the bottom of the totem. The people skills required for customer service are not necessarily the same as those in an office environment. Some highly educated individuals might project an air that doesn’t fit with the new job for which they are applying. An overqualified individual might not fit well with new coworkers.
It’s not in an employer’s best interest to hire someone who won’t be happy and always be planning to move on. Retraining isn’t free, even in low end jobs. Turnover can make customers/clients wonder what’s going on.
I have no doubt that some managers avoid people who are smarter than them, but some might simply be trying to find the best match for the job when they pass on the overqualified candidates.
again Al:
WE HAVE A DEAD END JOB SO WE NEED A DEAD END EMPLOYEE TO FILL IT.
this is exactly what you are saying to me.
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but some might simply be trying to find the best match for the job when they pass on the overqualified candidates.
Hilarious speculation by one and all. I’ve heard all these arguments before and they all amount to bupkis.
There are no jobs.
You see, I remember when you really could quit one job and walk down the street and get a new one… the same day. One that would actually pay your rent as long as you were reliable. If you didn’t have the qualifications, the company would… wait for … wait for it… actually TRAIN you. Yes, shocking, I know!
And I’ve seen that slowly go away over the years.
There are no jobs for the avg person. White or blue collar.
If you didn’t read the article let me sum it up for you: 6 applicants for every 1 job.
actually TRAIN you. Yes, shocking, I know!
Or lots of these lately , they expect YOU to have a laptop with the latest LEGAL software….
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I used to
workstarve as an artist. I’ve never seen a more scam industry in my life. Yes, including finances.Everybody wants art for free. That’s why I got out of that game and into computers a long time ago.
Around here, the tradeup market has been vaporized. Even those with a “stunning closet.”
Even those with a “stunning closet.”
Which reminds me that one of my pet peeves is those ppl who ooooo and aaaaaaaahhhhhh over a mega walk in closet and suggest that NOW they will have room for all their clothes and shoes..frankly (don’t call me frank-hehe) you do not need all those clothes.
Yes, I ooo and aaaah, but it is like looking at a shiny object. Not needed, just mesmerizing. Really, it is a fantasy world and if you wear every single one of those outfits, then great, but most do not. Even I have 1 outfit(grew out of it) that still has a hang tag on it. So, this obsession with a mega closet is so stupid.
So, has anyone figured out how we’re going to “end” the Recession without jobs? Or, is it that in New Amerika, jobs don’t matter so long as bankers get bonuses?
So, has anyone figured out how we’re going to “end” the Recession without jobs? Or, is it that in New Amerika, jobs don’t matter so long as bankers get bonuses?
Simple - we’ll end it like we “ended” the Great Depression in the mid 1930’s - by creating tons of new government jobs.
“Simple - we’ll end it like we “ended” the Great Depression in the mid 1930’s - by creating tons of new government jobs.”
Disagree. Once we get all of those socialistic liberals out of government, Republicans will simply cut taxes and millions of entrepreneurs will come out with new products and hire millions more Americans. It’s easy if you understand basic economics!
So, has anyone figured out how we’re going to “end” the Recession without jobs? Or, is it that in New Amerika, jobs don’t matter so long as bankers get bonuses?
How about rebuilding our bridges, rebuilding our road, working on our national and state parks, to name a few.
or while lowering taxes and increasing gov spending, lower interest rates and dont check up on loan aps so everyone can buy a home. It worked under Bush.
Disagree. Once we get all of those socialistic liberals out of government, Republicans will simply cut taxes and millions of entrepreneurs will come out with new products and hire millions more Americans. It’s easy if you understand basic economics!
What do you mean Republican? The last time such a principle was attempted it was done by a Democrat - Harry Truman, and it worked.
1945
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Fed taxes: $44B (20% of GDP)
GDP: $220B (35% of that defense)
1951
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Fed taxes: $39B (14% of GDP)
GDP: $280B (7% of that defense)
Yeah, the five years after WW2 were very typical.
The principle is the same. It’s a transition from a mass of people doing government work that wouldn’t be normally warranted, to more people doing work that’s driven by actual consumer demand.
Meant to add - and as enabled by lower taxes, and especially by lower government spending.
Well, first time home buyers who want toxic loans and who make at least twice the median household income for the area…
I can’t be the only one who is tired of seeing signs trumpeting “Affordable!” houses in the $300,000+ range. Unreal!
Ha! Around here, a “starter” home runs in the $500K range.
Sickening, isn’t it?
There are many crappy builders out there, and KB homes ranks near the top of the list… Pure crap!
They’re all crappy. That what you get when you hire illegals for subpar wages.
Yes, as through this world I’ve wandered
I’ve seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.
And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won’t never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
Woody Guthrie
from the song “Pretty Boy Floyd”
Amen to that brother Woody.
If things keep going the way the are now, Woody’s work will have a lot of releverance.
In memory of David Carradine, I’ll see if I can find a copy of “Bound for Glory”
You know, despite being a fan of both Guthrie and Carradine, I’ve never seen the movie. But once again I can say that I’ve read the book.
The Boomers going Bust is a problem for Social Security again:
Early retirements strain Social Security system
By Stephen Ohlemacher, Associated Press Writer
On Sunday September 27, 2009, 9:55 am EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) — Big job losses and a spike in early retirement claims from laid-off seniors will force Social Security to pay out more in benefits than it collects in taxes the next two years, the first time that’s happened since the 1980s.
The deficits — $10 billion in 2010 and $9 billion in 2011 — won’t affect payments to retirees because Social Security has accumulated surpluses from previous years totaling $2.5 trillion. But they will add to the overall federal deficit.
Applications for retirement benefits are 23 percent higher than last year, while disability claims have risen by about 20 percent. Social Security officials had expected applications to increase from the growing number of baby boomers reaching retirement, but they didn’t expect the increase to be so large.
What happened? The recession hit and many older workers suddenly found themselves laid off with no place to turn but Social Security.
“A lot of people who in better times would have continued working are opting to retire,” said Alan J. Auerbach, an economics and law professor at the University of California, Berkeley. “If they were younger, we would call them unemployed.”
Job losses are forcing more retirements even though an increasing number of older people want to keep working. Many can’t afford to retire, especially after the financial collapse demolished their nest eggs.
“A lot of people who in better times would have continued working are opting to retire,” said Alan J. Auerbach, an economics and law professor at the University of California, Berkeley. “If they were younger, we would call them unemployed.”
Why would you opt to retire now in this uncertain economy but continue working in quote ‘better times’? You could still work and draw SS!
“If they were younger, we would call them unemployed.” Does that mean that when I retired at age 57 that I was counted as unemployed? At what age did I fall off that list?
Makes no sense to retire early unless you really can live off your savings. There’s quite a discrepancy in SS payments, so waiting until the age of 66 is worth while if you can do it.
Makes total sense if you don’t have a dime to your name.
What’s the choice for them?
Exactly, FPSS.
This is really sad.
“Makes no sense to retire early unless you really can live off your savings.”
These people aren’t retiring in the traditional sense of choosing to leave a job that would otherwise be there for them.
They’re loosing their job, unable to find another one, and choosing to get a SS check because they can’t afford not to.
It makes perfect sense.
LOL
Read what I wrote above.
Yeah, I should really F5 to refresh th epage before responding to see if you already took the words out of my mouth, FPSS…
This has just started…Its going to accelerate…
“Many can’t afford to retire, especially after the financial collapse demolished their nest eggs.”
So long as Wall Street managers get to keep their bonuses, who gives a lick about all the smashed nest eggs?
I guess the propping-up of the markets (which allows the bonuses) is being justified as saving what’s left of people’s nest eggs.
Unless this collapsing bubble turns out much differently than all of its historical antecedents, then the market value props will not prove sustainable.
I never said it was going to work. Just that it makes a nice justification. (While you and your buds get their bonuses.)
“…because Social Security has accumulated surpluses from previous years totaling $2.5 trillion.”
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHH!
Try to find even one dollar of that amount stashed away somewhere.
Question to the board - what are the good websites for NYC (Manhattan) RE? Besides Street Easy and Property shark?
Btw, some recent NYC sales are at 2004 levels. Asking prices are still mostly at 2006-2007. From what I remember, 2004 was double 2000-2001, so it’s hard to get excited over these first baby steps of sellers drifting back to reality.
“From what I remember, 2004 was double 2000-2001″
That’s precisely what we saw in commutable counties just north of NYC. The balloon was inflating by mid-2001.
Congress has begun to debate the question of whom to tax in order to pay for extending the first-time homebuyer credit. I suppose the question of extension is more one of how than whether at this point.
Did they raise taxes to pay for the $8K credit already in place? If not, how was it funded? Was this paid for by money that somehow grew on trees?
You have to admire the cunning political craft of commingling the extension of the credit with the goal of helping returning vets secure housing. Why not create a separate program for vets, and just say no to continuing Dough-4-Dumps? I don’t want one cent of my tax dollars spent on supporting speculators’ and investors’ foreclosure home gambling activities.
Nation’s Housing
Legislation introduced to keep tax credit alive
By Kenneth R. Harney
2:00 a.m. September 27, 2009
WASHINGTON — Will Congress extend the wildly popular $8,000 home-buyer tax credit beyond its Dec. 1 expiration date?
That’s a question generating huge pressure on Capitol Hill, from would-be buyers who haven’t found the right house to realty agents, builders, lenders and squads of lobbyists working on their behalf.
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Blumenauer, who is a member of the Ways and Means Committee, said “it is absurd that thousands of Americans serving our country, away from friends and family, must choose between their service work and homeownership.” He wrote corrective legislative language that ultimately was incorporated into Rangel’s tax bill.
Though nothing is guaranteed on Capitol Hill, legislation eliminating tax penalties on the military during wartime looks like a good bet for early passage in both houses. Equally significant: It now appears likely that there will be an $8,000 tax credit available a year from now — at least for some purchasers. Which raises the question: Why not leave it in place for all first-time buyers?
There’s growing support for that on both sides of the Capitol, but there are also some complicating issues. In the Senate, the most outspoken advocate for months has been a Republican, Sen. Johnny Isakson of Georgia, a former real estate broker. He wants not only to extend the credit to Dec. 1, 2010, but to raise the maximum to $15,000, and make it available to all home buyers next year.
But recently, key Senate Democrats produced their own version of an extension, limited to six months, retaining the ceiling at $8,000 and targeting only first-time purchasers. The bill’s primary sponsor is Sen. Benjamin Cardin, D-Md. Democratic co-sponsors include Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Debbie Stabenow of Michigan. Republicans John Ensign of Nevada and Isakson have signed on as well.
In a statement, Cardin raised what may prove to be the crucial issue affecting the scope and duration of any credit extension: Cost. “A six-month extension is a fiscally responsible way to provide adequate time to nudge even more prospective home buyers off the sidelines,” he said.
Estimates of the revenue costs of the current credit vary widely, from $3 billion to $8 billion and up. How do you pay for any extension without worsening the budget deficit? The new Rangel bill includes the answer: You raise taxes somewhere else — you “pay as you go.” The Rangel bill pays for most of the servicemen’s credit extension by increasing IRS penalties on taxpayers who fail to file partnership or “S” corporation returns.
This would raise an estimated $327 million over the next 10 years. Where and how to raise taxes to cover the far larger cost of a six-month or 12-month extension of the current tax credit could prove much more controversial.
Where and how to raise taxes to cover the $8,000 extension? You tax the savers of course. Lowering the 401K limits would be my guess.
Using the printing press technology to suppress interest rates to at or near zero (thereby implicitly taxing anyone foolish enough to park money in money market or passbook savings accounts) and more generally to churn out new liquidity at high blast is a more politically viable means to tax savers than explicitly raising taxes. Republitards have politically demonized honest taxation to the point where even suggesting it is political suicide. And the Fed has perfected the art of deferred taxation through running the printing press at high blast during periods of economic weakness (like currently, for instance). Later on, when inflation turns out to be “higher than expected,” you can bet the top brass at the Fed will say, “No one could have seen it coming.”
Nice summary Pbear…
“…Later on, when inflation turns out to be “higher than expected,”
(Hwy is hoping one day to have a special celebration day titled: “14+% Howdy Doody!” …followed by a L. Rust Hills “4th Day”
“14+% Howdy Doody!”
Please make sure I am invited (maybe we can find a Carlsbad pizza joint to host the celebration)…
A Vegas drive in!
“…demonized honest taxation.”
i’ll sign up for honest taxation when i get honest spending.
And the best part is that when inflation runs out of control, several neat things will happen:
1) It will trash the economy (since wages won’t grow) which will allow for more “solutions” to a manufactured problem.
2) It will punish savers and produces, which is always good.
3) It will create more Bubbles, which will let the crooks accumulate even more wealth at our expense.
Hmmmm….
How about lowering or (gasp!) ending the capital gains exclusion of 250k/500k on primary home sales?
Would that be revenue neutral or revenue positive? It certainly would have a negative impact on the projected velocity of home sales as people who are sitting on large equity gains would not as readily consider selling their homes if they had to pay tax on the capital gains.
readily consider selling their homes if they had to pay tax on the capital gains ??
And, if they just stay put and go out “Feet First” (like many of my neighbors will) they get a stepped up basis in their estate and pay no tax…If you want to eliminate the tax free gain provision fine but you better replace it with the old “roll over” provision…
They could also eliminate the interest rate subsidy on mortgage loans. I am guessing that would more than pay for an indefinite extension of the $8,000 first-time homebuyer credit.
subsidydeductionSorry, my Freudian slip is showing…
ruffly.
Wouldn’t that fire up the default/foreclosure machine?
fire up the default/foreclosure machine ??
It would be on Nitro…
“How about lowering or (gasp!) ending the capital gains exclusion of 250k/500k on primary home sales?”
Why would you want to pay tax on inflation-related “gains” on your primary residence? These are not real gains. It’s just inflation.
Compare the value of dollar 30 years ago to today’s. Primary residence should get a break from inflation taxes.
Shouldn’t, then, every asset get a break?
I disagree with “inflation” taxes as well. But that holds true for stocks, precious metals, and the like, no?
Right - renters should lose the tax break as well.
renters should lose the tax break as well.
We get a tax break? I think my CPA has been holding out on me!
Some states allow tax breaks.
Only if you are below the poverty line
Make that “official poverty” as opposed to real poverty.
A real problem with the present cap gains exclusion is that it operates over too short a time frame. Just 2 out of 5 years if I understand correctly is needed to get the exclusion.
It should be replaced by a longer-term exclusion. I’ve proposed that cap gains taxes on housing should remove the effects of inflation by removing an inflation factor each year that the house is owned. The feds have published an annual inflation factor (e.g. CPI) for decades now. It’s not perfect but it does exist. The increase in the value of the house would be “trimmed” by an inflation factor for each and every year owned.
I’d think we’d all agree that it’s more “fair” to give a cap gains exclusion for someone living in a house for 20 or 30 years rather than just 2 of 5 years. If the government has any interest in homeownership at all, it’s to encourage stable communities via long-term home ownership - not flippers.
I agree DennisN
Yep, I agree too, Dennis.
“Primary residence should get a break from inflation taxes.”
Why should special privileges be granted to homemoaners? Let’s just exempt everyone from all taxes, inflation or otherwise, period.
Because there are more of them than non-homeowners/debtors.
Democracy can sometimes be two wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.
should get a break
Cherry picking again.
“Buy now, or miss out on $8,000 in free money forever!”
From the SD Union-Tribune Real Estate ad supplement (w/ Professor Bear’s snide remarks added in italics):
Clock is ticking on $8,000 Tax Credit
First-time homebuyer program to expire on November 30, 2009
By Jon Cook, President and CEO
Prudential California Realty Southern California and Central Coast
One of the morst rewarding things our agents do is help first-time buyers realize the dream of home ownership. Thes days, we’ve had the pleasure of doing that more than ever, thanks to the government’s $8,000 tax credit for first-time homebuyers. Approximately one-third of recent home purchases have been first-time homebuyers, a clear indication that the program has been a success.
So 2/3 of the first-time homebuyer tax credits went to people who weren’t first-time homebuyers? Hmmmm…
Buyers who haven’t owned a principal residence for three years before the purchase are also eligible for this tax credit.
Single-family homes, townhomes, and condominiums qualify for the program as long as the buyers use the property as their principal residence. New construction homes also qualify if, occupied by December 1, 2009.
The reward for acting fast is considerable — 10 percent of the home’s purchase price, up to a maximum of $8,000. (Single buyers making up to $75,000 and married couples making up to $150,000 qualify for the full amount.) You don’t have to repay the tax credit, as long as you stay in your new home for at least three years after purchase. This credit can help ease the transition to home ownership and cover the expenses that come with it.
What if the collective effect of a herd of lemmings rushing to buy homes at the height of the worst economic downturn since the 1930s is to unsustainably push up home prices by more than $8,000? Wouldn’t the tax credit be encouraging first-time buyers to catch falling knives in this case?
But the clock is ticking. The program expires on November 30 — and as I write this, there are no guarantees that Congress will extend it.
I guess Mr Realtor™ CEO somehow missed the news that legislation to extend the first-time buyer credit has already been introduced?
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Lets see. This is a tax credit up to 8k for a first time purchase. Well, this isn’t money handed out at closing, this is a credit against your federal income tax. That means, that you have to owe 8k in federal taxes to get the full credit at the end of the year. The way the realtors have hyped this is cash at closing…
30k annaul income, times 28% bracket=8400 in taxes. This doesn’t count any other deductions, such as standard or itemized.
So whats the big deal?
Buyers remorse!!!!!!!!!
Are you sure you need to owe $8K in federal taxes? Or would someone who otherwise owed zero in taxes be refunded $8K in free money?
I would like to see some hard evidence to support your claim; do you have any reliable information sources to back up what you said?
From irs.gov
“The credit reduces the taxpayer’s tax bill or increases his or her refund, dollar for dollar. Unlike most tax credits, the first-time homebuyer credit is fully refundable. This means that the credit will be paid to eligible taxpayers, even if they owe no tax or the credit is more than the tax owed. ”
Prof. Bear is correct in his scepticism. You do not have to owe $8000 of taxes to get the full credit. By the way, I didn’t even have to put anything in the search box at irs.gov to get this info. It was from a page that was linked to in the first page of the website. There is no reason to get stuff that is being promoted by the government this much wrong. The information is
Meant to say “The information is easily available.”
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=213375,00.html?portlet=6
I read the IRS website (sorry, don’t recall the link) and it said if you owed less in taxes you would be refunded actual cash up to the full amount for those who owe no taxes.
It’s a tax credit. No, you’re not just handed $8k in free money.
And I still have yet to understand why some people get so excited about tax deductions.
There is no reason to get stuff that is being promoted by the government this much wrong.
Thank you, Polly. As usual, the readers here owe you a debt of gratitude.
By the way, dearie, that goes double for you. Someone else called you on this one yesterday when you implied that the $8000 was a flat amount rather than the maximum you could get if the purchase price of the house is at least $80K with 10% of the purchase price being the maximum for lower prices, so I didn’t have to. This stuff is easy to get right if you bother to do the most basic research.
“This is what capitulation looks like, folks. I am wondering if California home prices will ever follow suit? In the meanwhile, I am suggesting to any prospective home buyers who complain about still-stratospheric prices relative to typical local household incomes that they consider relocating to Detroit, where the first-time homebuyer tax credit will buy you a median-valued home, and leave money in your pocket.”
Polly —
I will be the first to admit I am too lazy to look up the details of every hare-brained scheme the government cooks up to respike the housing bubble punchbowl. There are too many to keep track of them all. Thanks again for providing details that some of us are too lazy to check ourselves…
“…relocating to Detroit, where the first-time homebuyer tax credit will buy you a median-valued home, and leave money in your pocket.”
Polly,
Could you possibly fill us in on the thinking which leads this program to discriminate against Detroit home buyers in favor of California home buyers? Don’t the Feds realize that Californians are generally far richer than inner city Detroit residents? Why would you want to design a program that discriminates against the poor in favor of the wealthy?
Another question for Polly (or anyone else who thinks they understand the gubmint’s purposes):
Are the Fed and other governmental financial entities deliberately trying to create housing price inflation? If so, how do they reconcile this objective with the explicit intention to create “affordable housing” for the masses? Aren’t higher prices fundamentally at odds with affordable prices?
Please help me out here, as I really have no rational means to reconcile the competing goals of deliberately inflating housing prices with making housing more affordable.
In the minds of the planners, I’m sure that they thought they were being supremely fair to people in Detroit. Everyone gets a credit equal to 10% of the house, unless you are wealthy enough to afford more than $80K for a house in which case the amount is capped. Of course, furnishing a house to HGTV standards isn’t proportional to the cost of the house, but that is not the point.
The real people being discrimated against are folks in the high home value areas. In places where you can’t get anything that will keep the rain out for less than $240K, the max credit is really a little over 3% and in places where you can get reasonable shelter for $60K, the max is 10%. And that doesn’t even get you to the income restrictions where your credit starts to fade out at $75K for an individual and $150K for a couple.
This whole thing is mostly a tax on stupid/innumerate people. A little more advanced than the lottery, but not by much. Yes, people are getting into bidding wars on houses, probably paying 10s of thousands of dollars extra to get $8K back from the government. If they are doing it knowingly but figure it is worth it because they will never be able to scrape together $8000 dollars to buy furniture, repay closing expenses that they have to put on a credit card, etc. then so be it. (Remember, you can claim this by modifying last year’s tax return so people are getting the cash in a few weeks.) If they are just doing it because they think that the banks and rich Wall Streeters got theirs and now it is *my* turn, then shame on them. I think that is what is happening in a lot of cases and it is pretty much the maturity level of a 6 year old.
A woman in my office bought a studio in Northern Virginia for $300K a year or two back. She did it because she had very mediocre credit (from not being able to afford the co-pays on a very serious illness she had while on student health insurance) and knew that with standards tightening up and no savings since she was still trying to pay off her medical debt, it was then or she migth never be able to buy. I talked to her about it, and her decision making process was partly emotional (wanting to feel like a grown up) and partly very rational based on her particular financial situation. If I thought even 10% of the people buying under this program were thinking things through as much as she did, it wouldn’t bother me so much, but I don’t think that is happening.
Oh, and the cash from the program may make it look like Christmas isn’t a total bust this year, which it certainly would be except for the cash flooding people’s pockets. Next winter is going to be ugly…..
“This whole thing is mostly a tax on stupid/innumerate people. A little more advanced than the lottery, but not by much.”
OK, let me restate my question, then. Why do the central planners think it is good policy to tax stupid/innumerate people?
“A woman in my office bought a studio in Northern Virginia for $300K a year or two back. She did it because she had very mediocre credit (from not being able to afford the co-pays on a very serious illness she had while on student health insurance) and knew that with standards tightening up and no savings since she was still trying to pay off her medical debt, it was then or she migth never be able to buy.”
So long as this sort of person is qualified and interested in paying $300K or more for a house, wouldn’t it be folly for anyone with decent credit and decent long-term prospects to compete on the owner-occupied housing market?
Does this news have something to do with the apparent effort by the Fed to reflate housing prices? This appears to be a deliberately financial engineered wealth transfer from the pockets of anyone who happens to be short housing into the hands of toxic asset owners (mainly banks).
Is it legal? Or does the Fed operate above the rule of law?
I certainly hope the Congressional audit thoroughly investigates the appearance that the Fed is manipulating asset prices to transfer wealth from one group of individuals to another (generally funneling money in the direction of Wall Street and the banking sector), as I am completely skeptical that this is within the scope of what they are legally allowed to do.
One more thing: Isn’t the Fed privately owned by its member banks? Even the Financial Times seems confused on the question of whether the Fed is private or part of the US government. (I personally am perpetually confused on this question!)
Rally in ‘toxic’ securities set to boost banks
By Aline van Duyn and Francesco Guerrera
Published: September 27 2009 23:30 | Last updated: September 27 2009 23:50
The recent rally in the markets for “toxic” securities could deliver a significant boost to US banks’ third-quarter earnings if financial groups decide to book accounting gains on assets that caused them billions of dollars in losses during the crisis.
Wall Street executives and analysts say the significant rise in the price of mortgage-backed securities and other once-battered debt offers banks the first meaningful chance to “write up” some of the value of these distressed assets.
In the last three months, the Markit ABX index, which tracks securities backed by home loans such as subprime mortgages issued to borrowers with weak credit, has gained more than 30 per cent, as investors rediscovered their risk appetite and the US government flooded the debt markets with liquidity.
The extent of the write-ups is difficult to predict because of banks’ complex balance sheets and uneven use of accounting rules, but some experts believe the rallying credit markets could pave the way for billions of dollars in accounting gains.
A partial reversal of the $1,000bn-plus in writedowns of securities suffered by the financial system during the crisis would strengthen bankers’ arguments that the industry is recovering its health as the global economy and capital markets improve. In addition to the writedowns, banks around the world have had to absorb $600bn of actual losses on soured loans.
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Prof Bear, you asked:
Are the Fed and other governmental financial entities deliberately trying to create housing price inflation? If so, how do they reconcile this objective with the explicit intention to create “affordable housing” for the masses? Aren’t higher prices fundamentally at odds with affordable prices?
Well, the real answer is that making affordable housing is not the responsibility of the people working on rescuing the banks. That propblem is addressed in a particular department (HUD?) as well as state, county and local programs.
Fixing the banks is happening in Treasury and the Fed. The individual people involved may think it would be a nice thing for poor people to have access to nice inexpensive apartments or to be able to buy inexpensive houses, but it isn’t the responsibility of their department. As a matter of fact, if keeping housing prices high allows them to “save the banks,” they will be very pleased to let someone else worry about the unaffordable housing that is left in the wake of their efforts.
You are applying the logic of a for profit corporation to the government (we want to sell a lot of A and a lot of B, but if selling A and B are incompatible then we need to resolve that problem before going forward). In the government, as long as A and B are both accomplished, it doesn’t matter if doing A makes B harder. If there is an obvious way to resolve the conflict and especially if the resolution can happen at a very low level, such as when both things are controlled in the same agency or even department within that agency, it could happen, but doing stuff across agency and especially cabinet department levels is very, very, very hard.
By the way, I once worked for a for profit companey that had the same problem. I worked for the tax department. It was our job identify stuff that would save the company taxes and try to get the other departments to implement our ideas. But the leaders of the other departments were evaluated based on their pre-tax results. So they had no reason to do what we asked them to do. They might do it if it caused them absolutely no inconvineince at all, but that was rarely the case. Head of our department was constantly frustrated and quit after a short time. Couldn’t stand being constantly undermined in doing what he knew was best for the company. So this issue is hardly unique to government.
“So long as this sort of person is qualified and interested in paying $300K or more for a house, wouldn’t it be folly for anyone with decent credit and decent long-term prospects to compete on the owner-occupied housing market?”
Yup. That is what I told her, well with respect to credit and a downpayment. Her prospects were/are just fine. She got promoted a few months later.
“Please help me out here, as I really have no rational means to reconcile the competing goals of deliberately inflating housing prices with making housing more affordable.”
It is funny, when one thinks about it. But the real goal is to make the payments on the house BARELY affordable and to stretch on forever so you never really own the place.
“Approximately one-third of recent home purchases have been first-time homebuyers, a clear indication that the program has been a success.”
That strikes me as an awfully bizarre success criterion for a program whose purpose at least appears to be supporting real estate market values. To test whether the program is working as intended, I suggest the following policy experiment:
Eliminate the first-time buyer credit permanently (with an explicit promise never again to renew it), while also promising to keep in place all the other myriad government housing market value support programs (mortgage interest deduction, low-downpayment federally guaranteed FHA loans, $500K capital gains exclusion for home equity appreciation, Fed mortgage purchases to drive interest rates down to generational lows, Fed MBS purchases to replace private sector mortgage securitization, etc etc etc). Then measure how much prices go down after the $8K credit is permanently eliminated.
If the average market value of US housing decreases by more than $8,000, the program should be judged a success, as it (conversely) resulted in more than $8,000 in home price inflation for the mere price of $8,000 per first-time buyer purchase.
PB,
Strange as it may sound, every single person I know who bought this year cited the $8,000 tax credit as a major factor in their purchasing decision.
We HBB’ers understand that the tax credit is really just a gift to the sellers, and confers no benefit to most buyers, but just try to convince the people “out there” about this fact. It’s no different than during the bubble; people want to get in before their “chance to buy a home” passes them by.
“Strange as it may sound, every single person I know who bought this year cited the $8,000 tax credit as a major factor in their purchasing decision.”
And when asked why each one said “moo” with a few others quoted as saying “baa-a-a.”
I’ve seen many, many people make bad purchasing decision because it supposedly saved them on taxes.
each one said “moo” with a few others quoted as saying “baa-a-a.”
Very good- good one.
“Strange as it may sound, every single person I know who bought this year cited the $8,000 tax credit as a major factor in their purchasing decision.”
If you purchase a new pick-up truck right now, only $40k+, you can get a free load of split Douglas fir, all you can pack into the bed. Just in time ‘fer winter!
I have a dumb thought. Why don’t they stop giving money to the damn banks, and house prices will drop by $8K on their own, probably within a month.
The money they save on both ends can go to health care.
In many markets, frantic buyers overbid on properties by tens of thousands- to save $8k. People are soooooo stupid.
BofA writing lots of new loans locally. And pushing refinancing. Mentioned because Saturday there were posts indicating all was mum at that institution.
Was told via major re corp, here locally that BofA is not writing new home loans.
Where is your location?
‘don’t bother going to BofA, as they are not writing loans’
Could be here in CA?
I saw a BofA “Home Loan” store here yesterday I never noticed before. Just sayin.
DD
I am in Cali central valley.
I had gone into chat with ML about company profit sharing details, and BofA fellow was there putting on hard sell.
ANALYSIS-
Will “It worked” come back to haunt G20?
Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:43pm EDT
* Unemployment, real estate loan losses, among pitfalls
* Finding political backing for regulatory reform not easy
* Some worry for global economy once supports removed
By Emily Kaiser
PITTSBURGH, Sept 26 (Reuters) - The G20 may face a “mission accomplished” moment akin to former President George W. Bush’s premature declaration of victory in Iraq unless leaders quickly make good on pledges for substantive financial reforms.
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“It’s hubris,” said Simon Johnson, a former chief economist of the International Monetary Fund.
Johnson, who is now a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington, listed possible pitfalls including growing losses on commercial real estate loans, the need to recapitalize European banks, and stubbornly high unemployment in most developed countries.
Any of those has the potential to trigger an economic setback serious enough to force a re-thinking of policy.
Even though G20 leaders insisted they were on guard against complacency, Johnson said they may have assumed success too soon, much like Bush’s infamous May 2003 Iraq speech on an aircraft carrier in front of a banner that read “mission accomplished.”
“What can you point to in terms of real regulatory reform since April?” Johnson said, refering to the last G20 leaders’ summit in London.
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Finance and Economics
Buttonwood
Chucking the buck
Sep 24th 2009
From The Economist print edition
The dollar comes under increasing pressure
Illustration by S. Kambayashi
THE credit crunch vindicated the bears, although some were right for the wrong reasons. They did not expect subprime mortgages to bring the global economy down. Instead they thought the crisis would be caused by a collapse in the dollar, and a jump in Treasury-bond yields, as foreigners balked at funding America’s current-account deficit.
Now the recession has caused a rapid improvement in America’s trade position. But ironically the resulting fall in the current-account deficit has been accompanied by a renewed downturn in the greenback. On a trade-weighted basis, the dollar has fallen by around 10% over the past six months.
That hardly constitutes a collapse. But if the decline accelerates, it could cause problems for the Federal Reserve, not to mention concern among America’s creditors and trading partners.
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Yeah - 10% paycut for everyone!
Now, get out there and overbid on a house you can’t afford to get the tax credit!
I think an argument can be made that our over-valued dollar is the cause of our problems, not the solution.
Yep, nobody wants a strong dollar more than China, which should tell us something. That’s why their threats to replace the dollar as a reserve are so empty. Why would they trash a model that thus far has made them a fortune?
Why would they trash a model that thus far has made them a fortune?
Deep inside they know that the goose that laid those golden eggs for them is now dead. They need to find a new goose.
They definitely want a strong dollar, since so much of their holdings are in it - but don’t think that won’t stop them from moving towards other reserve currencies in the meantime. Yeah their move itself will weaken the dollar some - but there’s a good chance it’ll go down in flames anyhow, so they’re better off hedging.
Same principle as big investor (e.g. Warren Buffet) selling their stake in a weak company. They know that the act of selling itself will reduce the value, but better to get some $$ for it now than none later.
“They need to find a new goose.”
Yeah, but where?
Peter Morici (U Maryland economist) on CSPAN this a.m. does a great opening summary of the economy to wit: the US economy is toast, jobs that are gone won’t come back, chronic 10% unemployment, and the only jobs growth will be in the public sector.
So what he is saying is essentially, “Buy stocks and real estate, because stocks and real estate always go up.”
Or am I misconstruing your summary?
PB, you are cracking government code with increasing frequency and accuracy. CIA, NSA, FBI, KGB - you may have another career in alphabet agency awaiting.
the only jobs growth will be in the public sector ??
Interesting….Job growth in the public sector paid for by the private sector who can’t find a job…. Conundrum ?
Well, the public sector folks do pay taxes…so for a while they can support a fraction of their own workforce/salaries…
It’s surprising how many people don’t see any problem at all with that model. And the best part…they “own” homes/property too!
Well…you’ve got the public sector, and then you’ve also got nursing. That’s a full-circle economy, right? Oh yeah, and all those windmill jobs.
Can’t we just print our way out of this? Hahahaha!
That’s the experiment currently under way.
“the US economy is toast, jobs that are gone won’t come back”
Yes, I tried to explain to a friend of mine who wants a BFA in graphic design so she can “work in advertising.” She is willing to take out loans to do this. I tried to get her to understand that if nobody is willing to pay for her skills now, what will the BFA do? I cracked the composer business with nothing more than a referral from a friend.
I will go a step further than Morici and say not only are those jobs gone for good, the ‘training’ for many of them is unnecessary. Nobody should be in grad school now unless the profession requires some sort of certification only available through additional education.
If you ca pay cash, and enjoy the process, sure, go ahead and edjuhmacate yourself. Otherwise, you’re really painting yourself into a corner with debt for unnecessary training for an unneeded skill.
It’s a bad time to be taking out loans to “find yourself.”
It’s a bad time to be taking out loans to “find yourself.”
While I agree with your general premise, it might possibly be the *best* time to be taking out loans to “find yourself”, considering the government is subsidizing the loans and bailing out the debtors these days, no?
If you could discharge student loans, I would agree.
They’ll discharge it for you if you die. (That’s the only reason I have not full paid mine off in full yet — not that I am hoping to get my loans discharged or anything )
Private student loans pass on to your heirs. I’m talking private lenders, not Stafford etc.
Student loans are the biggest scam yet. No way to get out of them and they compound interest even while in deferral. Lots of horror stories out there. And no, not just from irresponsible people, some are very legit, I personally know a guy who is totally disabled and they’re still coming after him, taking it out of his disability. He lost both hands and no way can work. The banks are untouchable.
oh my goodness. Can he fly to s. am and change his name and dang, isn’t there something he can do to get this monkey off his back? Really, that is a horrible story.
If you are unemployed with no job prospects, this may be a very good time to be in school, provided you can find a means to finance your education.
i wonder if any japanese people are still in college…after 19 years.
For any company planning on cutting back, Marketing (the dept. she would typically work in) is usually the first to go. That career may not actually be very smart right now.
And how much edumacation is needed for New Future Jobs in Amerika, such as: Wal-mart greeter, junkie bum, Mad-Max road warrior, used house sales person (who doesn’t actually sell any houses), and economic forcaster?
“the only jobs growth will be in the public sector.”
I disagree with this part. The public sector will run like an ItalianGarbageCollectionMalthusianMiseryFest and only provide minumal servies for years to come. You can tack on unncessary ‘public’ functions like 50 million garbage cans in every park and music being piped in to all things ‘gone for good.’
Is it really necessary to ‘update the fleet’ every time a new Taurus comes out?
“ItalianGarbageCollectionMalthusianMiseryFest”
That’s the best one-word description of gubmint operations I have ever seen!
+1
Cue the Neapolitan trash crisis pic:
Is it really necessary to ‘update the fleet’ every time a new Taurus comes out ??
No, but when you have a endless river of revenue AND you control the spicket, all you need to do is find a reason not necessarily a need…
“ItalianGarbageCollectionMalthusianMiseryFest”
Reminds me of “supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.”
Even though the sound of it is something quite atrocious?
Copy of “Mary Poppins” in the house as you write, courtesy of libe.
“Is it really necessary to ‘update the fleet’ every time a new Taurus comes out?”
Make that “Impala” or another GM model and that’s exactly what is going to happen. How else do you think the govt is going to keep GM in business?
Along those same lines: the groups that buy most fleets besides USA are car rental concerns… whose numbers must be twice as many that could do the job.
Even with combo agencies, way too many in the states.
There’s an old saying that goes like this:
“It’s good to save money in business, but you can save yourself right out of business.”
Barring a miracle (HAH!) we’re there. It’s all over except for the shouting.
The question for investors appears to be whether the various liquidity-driven financial asset price supports put in place by the Fed and other central banks can be sustained indefinitely.
Thoughts?
Finance and Economics
The rally in financial markets
Liquid fuel
Sep 24th 2009
From The Economist print edition
Investors are betting on a vibrant recovery. With returns on cash so low, they have little choice
Illustration by S. Kambayashi
“EXTRAORDINARY how potent cheap music is,” the playwright Noel Coward declared. He could have said the same about cheap money. With cash on deposit yielding not much more than zero in many rich countries, there has been a powerful rally in most financial markets. In America, money-market funds yield around 0.1% after fees, so an investor with $100,000 receives just $100 in annual interest. Unsurprisingly, investors have withdrawn $332 billion from such funds this year, or around 10% of total assets, according to EPFR Global, a data provider.
Investors elsewhere also seem to be putting their cash to work. The MSCI world index of global share prices is up by almost 24% so far this year, having fallen by a similar amount between January 1st and March 6th. In the debt markets, the spread (or excess interest rate over Treasury bonds) on high-yield corporate bonds has fallen from more than 16 percentage points at the start of the year to around seven and a half points now (see chart). Commodities have not missed out—gold has moved back above $1,000 an ounce.
The markets are enjoying a “sweet spot” in which economic and profit forecasts are being revised higher but the outlook for interest rates (and thus borrowing costs) remains on hold, thanks to subdued inflation. On September 23rd the Federal Reserve said that the American economy had “picked up” but that interest rates were set to remain “exceptionally low”. The data indicate that most developed economies have emerged from recession. The second-quarter profits of S&P 500 companies may have dropped by nearly 30% year-on-year but they were still an improvement on the first quarter. Analysts forecast a 28.7% increase in global corporate earnings in 2010.
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The more difficult question to answer is whether the surge is the start of a long-term bull market or simply yet another bear-market rally, like those Japan enjoyed in the 1990s. The deleveraging that many have long predicted has not really started; government debt has simply substituted for private-sector debt. So the economy may be very reliant on action by central banks and governments and may slump once that support is taken away.
Some forms of stimulus are already being withdrawn. The American “cash-for-clunkers” subsidy for car sales ended in August. Edmunds.com, a website, predicts that the annualised rate of car sales in September will be 8.8m units, down from more than 14m in August. The fear is of a “Weekend at Bernie’s” recovery, after the 1989 film, in which two office workers pretend their dead boss is alive (putting sunglasses on the corpse and propping it up) so they can enjoy the party lifestyle.
Equity and corporate-bond markets have also been boosted by quantitative easing (QE), the process whereby central banks create money to purchase (mostly government) bonds. That has helped keep the lid on Treasury-bond yields. In June the ten-year bond yielded almost 4%; it is currently around 3.5%, pretty low by historical standards even though governments are issuing record amounts of debt. The fear is that if QE stops, yields may rise sharply, driving up borrowing costs for everyone. “At some point the quantitative easing will come to an end but until it does this bull market is sponsored by [governments] and everyone should enjoy it,” Crispin Odey, a hedge-fund manager based in London, recently urged his clients.
Yet the stockmarket seems to assume a robust economic recovery. The S&P 500 index is trading on a price-earnings ratio of around 20, based on 2009 forecasts for operating earnings. A more cautious approach, using earnings reported under official accounting standards, puts the multiple at 27. Both numbers are well above the historical average. According to Smithers & Co, the American market is 37% overvalued on the best long-term measure, the cyclically-adjusted price-earnings ratio (which averages profits over ten years).
As a result, the markets look vulnerable to a setback. As strategists at UBS remarked in a recent research note: “Liquidity has been a much bigger driver of this market than fundamentals. Liquidity-driven rallies have a habit of reversing violently without warning.”
Do not question the rally.
“Do not question the rally.”
How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Liquidity Bomb
We must fear Mutually Assured Deflation.
nice metaphor
Weekend at Bernanke’s.
PB, it seems to me that the US government will continue to spend until the blowback from it forces some kind of fiscal discipline. What that blowback will be, I’m not sure. I assume inflation. But - the ratio of debt to GDP of the US economy is still sort of low, relative to some other industrialized countries. For the US, something around 45%? Does that sound right?
The government is going to spend and spend until doing so yields more pain than not-spending.
Politicans gain power and influence by spending tax dollars. It is a narcotic to all of them.
I have an HBB brain trust question:
In my field work I am creating an average attendance number for each sub-group I am studying. I arrive at this number by: total number of students in subgroup/ total absences for subgroup.
Is there a stats term for this type of average? I feel like the word ‘comparitive’ may be in there somewhere.
I am not sure if you have a typo in there (i.e. you meant total absenses for subgroup / total number of students in subgroup). If you actually divided by number of absenses you might end up dividing by zero. And averages don’t typically go to infinity (if they do, it only means that every element that is being averaged is infinity, which I can’t reconcile with any definition of “attendance number” that I can think of).
Shouldn’t your metric be something like:
1 - (total number of absenses / total number of students) ?
No typo “If you actually divided by number of absenses you might end up dividing by zero” because nobody has perfect attendance. I do have it upside down, though.
Total number of students in subgroup/ total number of absences in subgroup
This creates an average for comparing each subgroup. For example, for Latinas, the average is 10.3% compared to Latinos at about 3% (best in the school).
I supposed I could flip this so the numbers reflect ‘positive’ attendance, which would put all of the subgroups in the 70-97% range.
“I am not sure if you have a typo in there”
I am. Comparative is spelled with an “a”.
Geez, fuzzed by the HBB spelling popo again. Can’t a brother post without spell-check?
C’mon, I’m multi-tasking at Panera here..
“C’mon, I’m multi-tasking at Panera here..”
I normally hate spelling-nazis myself, and I wouldn’t have said anything until yensoy mentioned “typo”. And proceeded to spell “absence” with an “s” where the “c” should have been. Except I think English is not his first language, so I have to give him a pass.
Whatcha having at Panera?
Whatcha having at Panera?
I want to know, too. I even clenched my toast* in my jaws in order to type out the question. I love bread. Also, Muggy, nice to see you posting.
Anyway, HBBers, today may be the last sunny weekend for a lonnnnnnnnnng time, so I’m going to go drive around topless** and enjoy the blue sky and the trees and the numerous ‘for sale’ signs. It seems to me that the number of ‘for sale’ signs stayed pretty steady over the summer months but may now be stealthily increasing. I’m going to keep note of how many ‘new price’ stickers I see, too. I am hoping that THIS winter will be our Winter of Local Despair and Capitulation, and that spring will find nothing but rusted bulldozers and graders, and scores of unused chainsaws for sale on craigslist, and membership in the master builders down to 3 whole people.
*Sunflower seeds, poppy seeds, and some red pepper bits that happened to be sitting on the counter as I made the bread yesterday.
** With the top of my car down. Watchoo think I meant? Jeeze!
“Also, Muggy, nice to see you posting.”
Thanks, I’ll have go into submarine-mode again tomorrow for about two months, but I should re-emerge with a baby daughter and a masters degree. After that I’m going to get back to hiking, kayaking, and hanging out with the family. And, of course, posting about 30x a day here.
Panera: I had about 6 cups of coffee and a toasted cinnamon crunch bagel with honey walnut cream cheese (a taste of Canada to keep me sane).
Speaking of Canada, does anyone know where to get Molson XXX in Florida. I plan on celebrating my masters degree the way I celebrated my bachelors.
Molson? That’s socialist beer! It can’t taste as good as free market beer.
Alpha, XXX is an anarchy beer
LOL– I must try this XXX.
There is no try, only do or do not.
- Yoda
There is no try, only do or do not.
- Yoda
Yeah, so hurry up and go drink a gallon or two, slothy.
And then be sure to come staggering back to post your wise philosophizing here on Bens Blog.
(That’s how IIII do it. )
Late post, but hope you have a wonderful birthing experience and congratulations on your soon-to-be Masters!
I couldn’t find any XXX, so I had a sauvignon blanc-out. But now I’ve recovered, and the same bits bucket is up- so I missed nothing! Maybe it didn’t even happen?
I posted before reading yours, but it looks like we both thought the reciprocal made more sense…
Not sure how to interpret “total number of students / absences” though the reciprocal is easily interpreted as some kind of rate of absenteeism over time.
It might be advisable to consider how many absences are due to repeated absenteeism by the same students, versus different students missed attendance. For instance, you might want to measure the situation where, say, a very small number of students are missing a large number of times from one where a large number of students are missing rarely if ever. Not sure how to do this — just a suggestion (because it is unclear how the stat you proposed would reflect this difference).
Percentage ??
Why not use the reciprocal (total absences for subgroup / total number of students in subgroup) of the statistic you proposed and call it “absenteeism rate”? This statistic is sufficient in the same sense as the one you proposed (i.e., it induces the same partition on the sample space), and is more easily understood.
What’s your field?
“because it is unclear how the stat you proposed would reflect this difference.”
It doesn’t — thank you for pointing that out. I don’t know if I can get that without 1-on-1 interviews which I will not have time to complete.
“What’s your field?”
Educational Leadership — in my current position (which begins tomorrow) the feds send me into an underperforming school in order to specifically improve science scores on norm-referenced tests. If I screw up, my county gets billed for my salary.
Anyhoo, I start with attendance before I get into the science stuff.
Is the goal merely to improve science test scores, or to actually improve science education?
I can suggest how to improve the scores, if that is the only objective:
1) Dumb down the test.
2) (Equivalently) rescale the grading so that, for instance, today’s score of 500 equals last year’s score of 400.
3) Only give the test to the brighter students, then pretend the average is representative.
4) Just lie about the statistics in whatever way comes to mind.
Above all, completely avoid making politically incorrect suggestions, such as noting that there is a positive correlation between the amount of time and effort students spend studying and their test scores.
Like um we nnedz 2 tel are kids 2 speek englush not ghettooh
den wee kan teech dem sum sinance
iz dat da level of da kidz 2 day muggy?
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Above all, completely avoid making politically incorrect suggestions
geeze, pb. study?
Why use averages at all? Just use the underlying micro data with individual students either attending or not attending. There is already a lot of machinery to study binary outcomes and predictors called logistic regression, available in any statistical package. If you have repeated measures, be sure to correct standard errors for serial correlation.
Using averages collapses your data to single points and your model will not be as explanatory as it appears. The microdata will show you how much variance you account for by your predictors.
Along similar lines (and depending on what you are trying to measure), you might consider using a count data regression model where the number of absent students per time period is the dependent variable and class size and the variables whose effects you wish to quantify are the explanatory variables. See the book on the subject by Cameron and Trivedi.
sounds like a real page-turner!
LOL!
(actually spit my tea out)
PB:
You job sounds better then starbucks, but truthfully what does it all mean in the reality of teaching kids English so they can stay out of jail?
Here’s an odd story. A 92 year old woman has outlived all her children and grandchildren. Medicare owns her house due to a reverse-mortgage for dementia care.
Speculator buys out her tax debt and claims ownership, renting the place out.
Is there any right or wrong in this story?
http://www.idahostatesman.com/235/story/915580.html
When the taxes weren’t paid on the house, the county started the steps toward putting it up for public auction - a process called a tax deed sale. The online auction was scheduled for May 19-21, 2007.
Once the county starts the tax-deed process, the county takes ownership of the property until it is sold or the delinquent taxes are paid, whichever comes first. In Boylan’s case, the delinquent taxes were paid, by Foldesi, just three days before the auction.
Once the delinquent taxes were paid, the county canceled the auction and granted a “redemption deed” to Boylan. Foldesi is named in the redemption deed as the person who paid the delinquent taxes.
But a redemption deed does not convey ownership of, or access to, a property - and neither does paying somebody’s property taxes, county officials say.
When Foldesi paid the taxes, that did “nothing more in this case than cancel the tax deed and all related proceedings,” Ada County Treasurer Cecil Ingram said.
“…Foldesi spoke only briefly to the Statesman before hanging up. He has not returned subsequent calls, including requests to see a tax deed for the house or a certificate of sale from the county. Foldesi and his partner, Debbie Smith, own Boobies restaurant on Ustick Road.”
Someone ought to pay a visit to “Boobies” with a “Walking Tall” hickory stick and say: “Howdy, how y’all doing this morning!” WHACK! WHACK! WHACK!
Boobies restaurant
… calling Al Bundy !
Try the boobieburger…this guy’s a bidness man!
http://www.boobiesburgers.com/
I strongly disapprove of anything called a bo0bieburger. It sounds too…crispy, or something.
*winces *
Also, the pickle part sounds too tingley, and the spatula visual bothers me.
But I’d like to see some photos of regular Bo0bie patrons, because I bet they make the People of Walmart (http://tinyurl.com/nxvf24) look like Mensa card-holders.
Mullets, mullets, give me mullets and bo0bieburger consumers so I can laugh superiorly on a pretty Sunday afternoon.
I bet DennisN would never eat a boobieburger.
DennisN has chardonnay grapes growing in his yard and actually makes wine from them. Such specialized vintages wouldn’t go with bo0bie-burgers, I agree.
Please, those are cabernet grapes in my yard. DinOR has even seen them so he can confirm I’m not making it up. However my first wine production is in the near future. My last check showed grapes average 20.3 degrees Brix so harvest is still a week or two away.
There are all sorts of religious types madder than an Olygal with a dead frog and a broken beer bottle who want to protect the tender eyes of the Boise young folk from signs proclaiming “Boobies” on the street. I don’t know which side annoys me more.
http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/698702.html
DennisN, your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to eat a boobieburger and report back. Is it crispy, are the pickles tingley, are the patrons mullet-heads? Obviously, if you are captured, or otherwise fail in this mission, we will disavow all knowledge of it. This post will self-destruct in five, four, three….
DennisN, your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to eat a boobieburger and report back.
HAHAHAHAHA! Funniness.
Gosh, I love this blog.
But, yes, I want to know as well, Dennis. I am filled with curiosity. For some reason.
The US economy is on the life support. The Fed is playing crony capitalism. What happens in 6 months? How long can the Fed keep up this charade?
For years, the economy has been powered by consumers, who borrowed exuberantly against real estate and tapped burgeoning stock portfolios to spend in excess of their incomes. Those sources of easy money have mostly dried up. Consumption is now tempered by saving; optimism has been eclipsed by worry.
Meanwhile, some businesses are in a holding pattern as they await the financial consequences of the health care reforms being debated in Washington.
Even after companies regain an inclination to expand, they will probably not hire aggressively anytime soon. Experts say that so many businesses have pared back working hours for people on their payrolls, while eliminating temporary workers, that many can increase output simply by increasing the workload on existing employees.
“They have tons of room to increase work without hiring a single person,” said Heidi Shierholz, an economist at the Economic Policy Institute Economist. “For people who are out of work, we do not see signs of light at the end of the tunnel.”
Even typically hard-charging companies are showing caution.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/business/economy/27jobs.html?_r=1&hp
This is what happens when the employer is a ONE TRICK PONY. Diversification in a need based business is the key for surviving this recession. It will definitely separate the men from the boys this time around.
Enter the Recession’s Waiting Room
A BUNCH of the guys drove straight to a bar. You get laid off from a job that pays $15 an hour, plus health care and other benefits — it’s Miller time. Time for a convoy to one of the watering holes in this town, 80 miles west of Omaha, where you can buy a beer at 10 in the morning.
Few of the employees of Katana Summit, a wind-tower manufacturer, saw it coming. On that day in early August, and in another round of cuts a few weeks later, about half of the plant’s 195-person payroll was eliminated, a shock that came with one notable consolation: the executives said they hoped to hire everyone back soon.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/business/27hire.html?ref=us
IRS hiring tax examiners :$8.63 to around $12, what mail cart pusher gets as well.
An Ounce of Prevention: Financial regulation, moral hazard, and the end of “too big to fail”
after the slashes: harvardmagazine.com/2009/09/financial-risk-management-plan
On Healthcare reform…
Here is what I think is the most worrying aspect of current proposals …
Let’s say you have a middle class family who in a previous life earned say $120K- lives in California with a $3000 /Mo Mortgage and another $3000 / Mo of other living expenses including a couple of car payments some credit card debt and food, clothing etc. totaling some $72,000. In this previous life Joe the Plumber earned most of the cash and his wife had a steady job with a local market to get health coverage. Life was good and they were paying the bills easily. Joe’s wife was laid off and now has a job paying a lot less with no health coverage, and because of economic factors Joe the Plumber is not doing as well as he used to either, leaving them in an expensive area with an income of $75K Not much help from the govt at this income, so Joe is required to purchase insurance at an as of yet undetermined cost, but lets say $12,000 a year. Obviously he does not earn enough to pay this, but is considered by Obama to be in a category of earners who do not qualify for govt help, yet are required to purchase insurance or be fined $3800 a year by the IRS for not carrying insurance as now required by law.
My question… How does this aid the middle class? How is this not an egregious tax? Has Obama forgotten about Joe?
1st 120k isn’t middle class, not as I can see.
2nd fam of plumber should never have had that high and overhead. IMHO.
3rd. NOW he is making 75k? didn’t joetheplumber not even make 40k?
4th Joe doesn’t give a . about Obama.
It won’t be mandatory, and will be alot cheaper than that. IMHO, and readings. Then again corporations own the US.
They will also be taxing the middle class via a tax on insurance companies for each high quality plan they offer. The result is that they will increase the cost of said plans and employers will either pass this cost on to employees or go to a plan that pays less. Either way it is a tax on employees the middle and upper middle class. Wallstreet won’t have to pay a dime, the insurance companies will win as they will see more people buying their plans. Then they will be able to jack up rates as anyone that doesn’t buy will get fined by the IRS. If you look at states that mandate auto insurance the rates are higher than those that don’t.
Too true. Unfortunately, Obama is stuck. He will never get the support to do what needs to be done: get the insurance companies out of “healthcare” at the basic levels (the “needs”), and let them supply the supplemental insurance (the “wants” of healthcare) for those who want to purchase it.
Right Ca renter ,why can’t the government just supply a basic plan and the insurance Companies can insure the upgraded
care, like people who want private room and elective
procedures ,and chronic care ?
The little elephant in health care, that nobody talks about, is
that chronic long term care isn’t covered by the insurance
companies ,or the government ,(unless your old and broke ). Chronic care (nursing homes and last years of life care )is the type of care that wipes out the last bit of money a older person has a lot of the time . I really don’t know how you can solve the long term chronic care cost problem . I had a friend that was shelling out 45 k a year to keep his wife cared for after the insurance ran out . He did this for 10 years until she died .
+1.
We the people can not take on our Lords and Masters in the FIRE economy. Even trying will make Obama a one termer. Critical error on his part.
Not that I’m against our Lords and Masters, if any should be reading this blog (OlyGal?). I hate Socialism and the government takeover of my healthcare. I only want private sector types on my death panel.
So you don’t care who makes money off of you and your ailings, or those of your family? Just so long as you can give them all your money and have them deny you care?
Nimkumpoop.
Was that for me, DD (desert dweller?)?
You must have misunderstood what I was saying, as you and I usually agree on these things.
I am for a “socialized” healthcare system. Anyone who wants an upgrade can pay for it out of pocket, either directly or through supplemental insurance.
Exactly what part of this plan do you have an issue with?
What middle class?
That is indeed the goal!
Exactly.
Sounds to me like day care on the tax payer’s dime. Then again, we’re doing it for the kids
WASHINGTON – Students beware: The summer vacation you just enjoyed could be sharply curtailed if President Barack Obama gets his way.
Obama says American kids spend too little time in school, putting them at a disadvantage with other students around the globe.
“Now, I know longer school days and school years are not wildly popular ideas,” the president said earlier this year. “Not with Malia and Sasha, not in my family, and probably not in yours. But the challenges of a new century demand more time in the classroom.”
The president, who has a sixth-grader and a third-grader, wants schools to add time to classes, to stay open late and to let kids in on weekends so they have a safe place to go.
I always went to Summer school.
What is the problem. We learned.
It was only half day. Sheesh. Got something better to do?
Doubt it. We didn’t, and still had plenty of time to play outdoors,build forts, get dirty, swim, hike, and bug other kids parents in their yards.
Now it seems you don’t care if the kids learn or not. Just how to pass a test?
Did you stay late everyday during the regular school year and head over to school on the weekends so you have a safe place to go? How many parents would see this as an opportunity to dump the kids off? How do you see this as a better education versus learning how to pass a test?
and head over to school on the weekends so you have a safe place to go?
How many parents would see this as an opportunity to dump the kids off?
…How many kids would see this as an opportunity to be safe? For once? To maybe spend time somewhere where a parent wouldn’t thunk ‘em around, just as casual stress relief?
Jeeze, what a totally commie suggestion.
good for the sheet metal and A/C business.
Obama our savior, mmm mm mm.
“…to stay open late and to let kids in on weekends so they have a safe place to go.”
We must nip this evil socialism in the bud! The next thing you know, kids will start *demanding* a safe place to go. Like it’s a right, or something.
Nobody cares what the kids think. The teachers will never go for this. Give up summers? Ha!
Good, good.
The longer the kids work on random things - ideally, things that keep them “busy” vs. things that educate them - the less time they’ll have to develop their own interests. This is good because we can’t have future consumers developing interests that are not approved, such as art, reading, education, learning about history and financial policy, etc.
Nope - much better to keep the kids running around at a high speed while slaving away to finish various idiotic projects and such. That way, they’ll make excellent over-stress, dull, consumer-zombies with no personalities or ability to think for themselves. And that is exactly what the banks want.
Damn straight! If it keeps socialeesm outta our country, than it’s a good thang!
(Damn socialeest/commies, always trying to make it easy for the average guy! Why, the next you know they’ll start thinking they deserve rights and living wages! I earned my billion dollars the old fashioned way so they can too, by god! They can just go out there and find their own wealthy, well connected family!)
As Subprime Lending Crisis Unfolded, Watchdog Fed Didn’t Bother Barking
after the w-s : washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/26/AR2009092602706.html?hpid=topnews
Interesting article. But in that list of three above, I would say that the second, “a tendency to discount anecdotal evidence of problems,” was a result of the first and third, rather than a co-factor. Bastards.
“As Subprime Lending Crisis Unfolded, Watchdog Fed Didn’t Bother Barking”
I would guess that is the primary reason to elevate them to financial Supercop. Nothing suits criminal purposes better than reticent watch dogs.
I’d say it was undercut by one factor. The FED is privately owned and people were making a lot of money ignoring reality.
Was doing my normal Sunday morning scan for bank failure news when I noticed this quote (sad to see only one failure this week).
Georgian, founded in 2001, was one of the state’s most profitable banks during the housing boom…Adams D. “De” Little of Marietta, owner of Greenstone Properties..[is] among the directors of Georgian Bancorporation.
Now, this strikes me as an odd conflict of interest: sit on the board of directors of a bank that is in a position to make loans to the customers of your own business. Makes me wonder how many other banks have regional property developers sitting on the board?
atlanta [dot] bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2009/09/21/daily103.html
HBBers are a special breed, aren’t they?
I saw our ex “screw lose Governor” Elliot spitzer on Bill Maher couple of days ago. He was sounding very much like a peeping tom from HBB forum.
Ben Did say in the recent past that HBB was getting new folks.
Spitzer on Bill Maher
I thought that was a good episode. During his service as AG of NY, wasn’t Spitzer celebrated for his prosecution of white-collar fraud and financial crime?
Are you listening Spitzer (just in case he is lurking)
If we had legalized prostitution Spitzer could very well have become the president of US.
There’s nothing wrong with this. Embrace your inner schadenfreude!
Give it good hugs and maybe some FB will decapitate his (it’s always a him, folks!) children on a bright cheery Sunday.
HBBers are a special breed, aren’t they?
Oh, yar. We’re wayyyyy better than everybody else. I’ve knowed it for years now.
*pats top of fluffy noggin in a congratulatory fashion *
I’ll admit: I was saddened the last friday of the fiscal year only saw one failure. Hopefully next friday we get the five needed to break the century mark.
At least it was a good sized one: ninth largest of the year.
Georgian Bank, 2001 - 2009, RIP. We hardly knew you.
I posted a link to a Washington Post article about the Fed’s refusal
But during the years of the housing boom, the pleas failed to move the Fed, the sole federal regulator with authority over the businesses. Under a policy quietly formalized in 1998, the Fed refused to police lenders’ compliance with federal laws protecting borrowers, despite repeated urging by consumer advocates across the country and even by other government agencie
Sorry, that should all be block quote. I accidentally posted before I had finished.
I just wanted to point out that this article indicates that community groups were reporting abusive mortgage lending to the Fed, to no avail.
“…the Fed refused to police lenders’ compliance with federal laws protecting borrowers, despite repeated urging by consumer advocates across the country and even by other government agencies…”
Is this the same Fed the Obamanators want to elevate to financial supercop status?
Ain’t happenin’.
They’re talking of opening the books “selectively”. They know the goose is cooked.
Bless your heart, FPSS. That is the best news I have heard all year (assuming your information is correct).
It’s on the wire. I’m hearing shimminings (yep, that’s my own d_mn word!) about how the “gradualist” policy has failed.
No less than Volcker has opined that there is no way the Fed is getting out of this without Congress reexamining the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.
I’m making safe bets here.
“No less than Volcker has opined that there is no way the Fed is getting out of this without Congress reexamining the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.”
Any chance that something will come out of the discussion to supplant the current cozily-cooperative ties between Megabank, Inc and the central bank which claims it should be the sole financial regulator?
In 1930, there weren’t a whole lot of people who saw 1933 coming.
Jes’ sayin’!
So I take Pussycat to be saying that major changes in oversight and regulation are pretty much assured. If so, I agree and have been arguing such here for a while, against people who demand to know why Obama hasn’t fixed everything, yesterday. Obama’s no fool, he knows who screwed up and how. It ain’t rocket surgery. But you can’t just make things how you want them by snapping your fingers, even when you’re pres. As in chess, and as in the election, you’ve gotta be smart and play your cards right, not go for the hail mary on the first play. (How’s that for a mixed metaphor? Pedantic Man will love it.)
Isn’t a “selective” books-opening an implicit acknowledgment that there are parts that have things in them that would be a PR nightmare if they became known?
Why? It’s already been shown that Level 3 Assets can be marked-to-fantasy and resist all attempts at any correlation to reality and no one cares!
It a new paradigm of synergistic repurposing for emerging markets! It really IS different this time!
“Is this the same FED the Obamanators want to elevate to financial supercop status?”
Are these the same community groups you were recently blaming for the whole crisis?
Despite all the money printing, tax crediting, and other hoopla, there are several 2 bdrm, 1100 sqft, luxury condos next door being offered to the public for 70K to 80K. A one bedroom is offered for 45K. At the peak, 2 bdrms were selling for 175K plus.
There just aren’t as many willing knife catchers as yesteryear. It’s pretty remarkable buyers aren’t jumping over each other to buy these units.
That’s because they are worth less than $1K.
Maybe they went back 2 school and got dat GED, and learned to use a calculator and figured they could never get enough rent to cover the bills at $70K
Now at $1K they could turn a nice monthly profit…and geez who would have thunk it…and investment means positive cash flow
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It’s pretty remarkable buyers aren’t jumping over each other to buy these units.
While personally hate condos, 70K for 1100sqft is pretty good deal if it’s the right neighborhood.
But the buyes aren’t jumping on them because there are no buyers. They’re broke.
dsylexic? lack of coffee? you decide…
If the Fed gets into tightening mode, is there a chance they will continue to keep the lid on mortgage rates, in order to avoid a return to plummeting home prices? And would it technically be possible for them to tighten on Treasury yields while continuing to respike the mortgage lending punchbowl?
* The Wall Street Journal
* CREDIT MARKETS
* SEPTEMBER 28, 2009
Credit Thaw Threatens Gains by Treasurys
As Corporate-Debt Markets Advance, Fed Considers Ending Support and Raising Interest Rates
By EMILY BARRETT
The Treasury market has benefited from the fragile state of the economy, but the unfolding recovery in the credit markets could yet push government bonds off their perch.
Corporate-debt markets are overtaking the real economy on the road to health. Central-bank officials are now paying more attention to these stronger signals to guide them in deciding how soon to remove market support and to start raising interest rates.
This week brings the biggest numbers on the U.S. data schedule, with nonfarm payrolls to be released Friday. Economists predict 200,000 jobs were lost in September, compared with a loss of 216,000 in August, though the unemployment rate is likely to rise again to 9.8% from the current 9.7%.
But it is also a week laden with appearances by Federal Reserve officials, who are highly likely to echo the sentiments of Federal Reserve Gov. Kevin Warsh that asset prices may be a clearer gauge of growth and inflation prospects than “arithmetic readings” of the economy.
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“Economists predict 200,000 jobs were lost in September”
The month’s not even over with!! Is there any question now as to how cooked up all this crap is?
“The month’s not even over with!! Is there any question now as to how cooked up all this crap is?”
Let me be the first to volunteer all the nation’s eCONomists for induction into service as foot soldiers in the new War on Error.
The Fed will not now or ever tighten.
They would sooner see the dollar approach 0 value (and perhaps even cheer it on as it fell) than raise interest rates to where they should be. Oh, maybe in a few years they’ll raise rates to 0.5% - and then the “eCONomy” (since it will still be supported by nothing but lies and the printing press at that point) will start to stumble, so they’ll use that as an excuse to lower rates again and introduce more hare-brained lending schemes to “fix” the next recession while funneling all that money into the pockets of their cronies. But don’t expect any REAL tightening.
Sound montary policy will never come from the Fed since they have no interest in it.
ONE YEAR, it has been one full year since the near total melt down and not one single regulation has been put into place to make sure this doesn’t happen again.
Not one.
Noticed that did you?
Well - there has been trillions spent to bail out the failed entities, and interest rates have been kept at all-time lows, and all kinds of new money pumped in to rescue these guys.
Oh wait, you said nothing’s been done to make sure it doesn’t happen again. Never mind.
Packman:
Its all about the velocity of money, a trillion dollar bookkeeping entry is just that zero velocity,
But you see what happens for a lousy $4500 clunker or $8K house rebates…lots of velocity
Maybe if they gave a $10K rebate to employers who hire a FT person at least $10hr with paid health insurance and keep them employed for at least a year maybe that would be a good stimulus package.
even a 10 million people would only be 100 billion…chump change…….again velocity of money would be greatly increased with a job.
“The Fed will not now or ever tighten.”
I’m thinking the plan is to lead market participants on to the false supposition they are going to tighten, in order to gain the psychological boost when everyone discovers that monetary policy turned out ‘looser than expected’.
Sadly, I think you’re right.
* The Wall Street Journal
* SEPTEMBER 28, 2009
Phone Calls Add to Din Over Loans
Congressional Investigators Ask for More on Countrywide VIP Mortgage Program
By JOHN R. EMSHWILLER
The discovery that Countrywide Financial Corp. recorded phone conversations with borrowers in a controversial mortgage program that included public officials — and that those recordings have been destroyed — has prompted new congressional calls for more information about the program.
Rep. Darrell Issa of California, the ranking Republican on the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, is trying to subpoena the remaining records of Countrywide’s VIP loan program. So far, the committee’s chairman, New York Democratic Rep. Edolphus Towns, has turned down that request.
The committee’s Republican staff investigators have spent months looking into the VIP program, and learned of the call-recording system from a former Countrywide employee in June, according to a spokesman for Mr. Issa.
The Issa spokesman said that earlier this month Bank of America Corp., which purchased Countrywide in July 2008, confirmed the existence of the recording system, but said all the VIP program-related calls had been disposed of.
A Bank of America spokesman said in a written statement that the VIP recordings “were retained only for a limited time or until available recording space was utilized. Due to these limitations, we have no recordings from before July 2008 when Bank of America assumed management of Countrywide and terminated the VIP program.”
Many companies routinely record phone conversations with customers, both for internal-training purposes and to help resolve disputes over what was said during a call.
On Thursday, Mr. Issa sent a letter to Bank of America Chief Executive Kenneth Lewis with a dozen questions seeking more information on what happened to the recordings. Arguing that those call records could have shed light on what public officials were being told by Countrywide personnel about the favorable treatment they were receiving, Mr. Issa wrote that Bank of America’s “refusal to fully explain” what happened to the recordings “raises important questions.”
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This is great reading. Apparently, not everyone inside the Fed believes that maintaining the Too-Big-to-Fail Megabank, Inc cartel in perpetuity through low (taxpayer-subsidized) interest rates is a great plan going forward. Perhaps there is hope for both the Fed and the rest of America to outlive this period of officially-sanctioned, inside-job bank robbery.
* The Wall Street Journal
* OPINION
* SEPTEMBER 27, 2009, 7:38 P.M. ET
The Blob That Ate Monetary Policy
Banks that are ‘too big to fail’ have prevented low interest rates from doing their job.
By RICHARD W. FISHER AND HARVEY ROSENBLUM
Fans of campy science fiction films know all too well that outsized monsters can wreak havoc on an otherwise peaceful and orderly society.
But what B-movie writer could have conjured up this scary scenario—Too Big To Fail (TBTF) banks as the Blob that ate monetary policy and crippled the global economy? That’s just about what we’ve seen in the financial crisis that began in 2007.
While the list of competitive advantages TBTF institutions have over their smaller rivals is long, it is also well-known. We focus instead on an unrecognized macroeconomic threat: The very existence of these banks has blocked, or seriously undermined, the mechanisms through which monetary policy influences the economy.
Economics textbooks tell us that when the Federal Reserve encounters rising unemployment and slowing growth, it purchases short-term Treasury bonds, thus lowering interest rates and inducing banks to lend more and borrowers to spend more. The banking system, and the capital markets that respond to these same signals, are critical to transmitting Fed policy actions into changes in economic activity.
These links normally function smoothly. Numerous academic studies have concluded that monetary policy before the financial crisis was working better, faster and more predictably than it did a few decades ago. Monetary policy’s increased effectiveness helped usher in a quarter century of unprecedented macroeconomic stability often called The Great Moderation—infrequent and mild recessions accompanied by low inflation.
Then the Blob struck. With financial markets in trouble and the economy wobbling, the Fed began lowering its target interest rate two years ago, bringing it close to zero by December 2008. Other central banks followed suit. Based on recent experience, such aggressive policies should have fairly quickly restored stability and growth. Unfortunately, the Blob was already blocking the channels monetary policy uses to influence the real economy.
Many TBTF banks grew lax about risk as they chased higher returns through complex, exotic investments—the ones now classified as “toxic assets.” As the financial crisis erupted, these banks saw their capital bases erode and wary financial markets made them pay dearly for new capital to shore up their balance sheets.
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More like Godzilla.
“History shows again and again
How Nature points out
The folly of men
Oh no!
Godzilla!”
It seems like the economy needs periodic recessions, where bad investments and excessive risk is burned out, just like forests need periodic fire.
If you stop the occasional recession, and the periodic fires, you wind up getting huge fires and recessions. I don’t think politicians have the discipline to allow such a thing so we may be stuck with boom/bust. Politicians will do everything they can to mask malinvestment until an unstoppable conflagration occurs wherein people lose faith in the currency.
Apparently, some very smart investors underestimated the potential for massive helicopter drops of liquidity to prop up asset prices which fundamentals suggest should be tanking. About the time when the last bear realizes his folly and goes long is when we can expect another big leg down in the stock market.
* The Wall Street Journal
* SEPTEMBER 28, 2009
Pessimism Exacts a Price on the Skeptics
By GREGORY ZUCKERMAN
Hedge-fund manager Peter Thiel is suffering, not because he lost money in the downturn, but because he missed the rebound.
BAD VIBES: Taking the contrarian view as the market has rallied has left some hedge-fund managers, such as Peter Thiel, missing out on big gains.
Mr. Thiel, a billionaire co-founder of online payment company PayPal and an early investor in Facebook, thinks the economy is far from recovered and has bet with the bears amid the relentless rally. His fund has seen double-digit declines as other hedge funds have racked up gains.
“The recovery is not real,” he says. “Deep structural problems haven’t been solved and it’s unclear how we will create jobs and get the economy growing again — that’s long been my thesis and it still is.”
The contrarian view puts Mr. Thiel among a group of investors with impressive track records who are holding out, unwilling to buy into the notion of the economy’s rebound.
In London, the largest fund of John Horseman’s $4 billion hedge-fund firm is down 20% this year; “it is hard to build longer-term confidence when employment prospects and job markets are shrinking,” he said in a client letter.
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Just when I begin to suspect the government has run out of ways to pump money into the housing sector, they announce yet another new program to do so!
* The Wall Street Journal
* SEPTEMBER 28, 2009
$35 Billion Slated for Local Housing
By DEBORAH SOLOMON
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is close to committing as much as $35 billion to help beleaguered state and local housing agencies continue to provide mortgages to low- and moderate-income families, according to administration officials.
The move would further cement the government’s role in propping up the housing market even as some lawmakers push to curb spending at a time of rising debt.
The effort, which could be announced as early as this week, is aimed at relieving pressure on government-operated housing finance agencies, which have been struggling to find funding amid the downturn. These agencies, or HFAs, are a small part of the housing market but are critical to many first-time and low-income home buyers, who can get lower-rate mortgages through an HFA than they could through a private-sector lender. Rates are typically 0.5 to one percentage point lower than commercial lenders.
Administration officials are concerned that HFAs have largely stopped making new loans, exacerbating the housing market’s woes.
Details are still being finalized. The plan requires formal approval from Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and the White House.
The program could be in place for as long as three years, and would involve the administration essentially buying the debt that these housing agencies rely on for financing.
The Treasury Department, along with government-controlled mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, is expected to buy as much as $20 billion of new housing bonds issued by the state agencies. It will also provide $15 billion in additional funding, as needed, to help the agencies continue to use a type of cheap, short-term financing.
If the housing agencies default on their debt obligations, taxpayers could lose out. The Treasury plans to charge fees to agencies that want to sell new long-term bonds to the government based on their individual risk factors, to help reduce the risk of default and protect taxpayers.
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Saw that this morning. Cripes it’s like watching a crack addict. There’s no end to the need (desire) for “fixes”.
How about Giving me break, let me SQUAT on my credit card bills for a few months…
Why should Deadbeat homeowhnahz have all the benefits
I don’t think it is “Deadbeat homeowhnahz have all the benefits” although on the front and in actuality it seems that way to us, but again, I think it is the Top 1% who are reaping the benefit, whereas they don’t with us renters.
So, it might look like the homemoaners are getting the goodies, it is the man behind the curtain- being the 1%ers.
In Crony Capitalist Corporate Amerika (CCCA), mortgage owns YOU!
Leading Dem Says Obama Housing Plan ‘Has Failed Miserably’
Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin Deals Blow to Obama Mortgage Modification Program
By MATTHEW JAFFE
Sept. 9, 2009
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This morning, the Treasury Department announced that the program had helped 360,165 homeowners reduce their mortgage payments. However, that is only 16 more homes than received new foreclosure filings during the month of July, according to RealtyTrac.
In response to the new data, Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin said, “Waiting for banks to ‘volunteer’ to end this foreclosure crisis is a waste of time. Treasury’s latest report shows this approach has failed miserably.”
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“360,165 = 16 more homes”
New foreclosure filings during the month of July =
360,165 - 16 = 360,149
Annualized level of new foreclosure filings =
12*360,149 = 4,321,788 (four million three hundred twenty-one thousand seven hundred eighty-eight foreclosure filings per annum).
P.S. What will become of all these foreclosures in process, especially given the housing market’s foreclosure inventory constipation problem?
35,000,000,000 divided by 50,000 equals 700,000 good jobs.
Or could have.
“If the housing agencies default on their debt obligations, taxpayers could lose out.”
Nobody could possibly see this happening; this ship is unsinkable!
* The Wall Street Journal
* SEPTEMBER 28, 2009
Bank Pulls Back From Acorn Work
By JAMES R. HAGERTY
Already facing the loss of federal government funding, the community-organizing group Acorn also has run afoul of one of its big corporate partners, Bank of America Corp.
In response to questions from The Wall Street Journal, a spokesman for the banking company said it has “suspended current commitments” to Acorn Housing, an affiliated group, and “will not enter into any further agreements with Acorn or any of its affiliates,” pending assessments by the bank of the organization’s operations.
Acorn, officially the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, has been under fire since the recent release of secretly recorded videos that showed Acorn employees offering advice on evading taxes, setting up brothels and smuggling illegal immigrants.
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“…evading taxes, setting up brothels and smuggling illegal immigrants…”
What was ACORN doing that seemed objectionable to Banksters of America?
What was ACORN doing that the Banksters of America weren’t doing themselves? BankstersofA probably admired their moxie, and saw them as an important part of their supply chain. (But just one part among many.)
Banks Confuse Political Pressure and Criminal Investigations.
Bank of America is trying to convince government regulators that it is solvent enough to repay the government’s rescue funding. Here’s how one financial analyst characterizes the situation:
“What the bank is trying to show is that it’s come back to health and that it’s operated solely as a private entity in the marketplace,” said Richard X. Bove, a banking analyst at Rochdale Securities. “But the bank is still under this enormous political pressure from Congress, the S.E.C. and the attorney general of New York.”
But of course “political pressure” isn’t quite the right way to characterize the situation. Political pressure is when Sen. Russ Feingold tells the president he’s not going to vote for more troops in Iraq. Bank of America, meanwhile, is under investigation for breaking the law:
In August, the SEC accused Bank of America of concealing from investors the plans to pay billions of dollars in bonuses to employees of Merrill Lynch, the troubled Wall Street firm it bought at the peak of the financial crisis. Bank of America agreed to settle, without admitting or denying charges.
But Judge Jed S. Rakoff of the Southern District of New York rejected the settlement, saying it suited the immediate interests of the SEC and Bank of America, but neither the public interest nor that of Bank of America’s shareholders.
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So they get to mark their Level 3 assets to fantasy and they STILL have trouble convincing the gov they are solvent?
Oh dear.
The land grab is on at the big Wall Street sponsored homebuilders. I guess they must “know” a bottom is in, or they wouldn’t be grabbing foreclosed land?
* REAL ESTATE
* SEPTEMBER 28, 2009
Hovnanian’s Debt Is Drag as Housing Heals
Builder Still Feels Effect of Market’s Fall Even as Rivals Start to Buy Again; Founder’s Death Comes as Blow
By JAMES R. HAGERTY and DAWN WOTAPKA
As the U.S. housing market shows tentative signs of healing, some of the nation’s biggest home builders are starting to acquire land again in preparation for better times. But one builder is hobbled going into this land grab: Hovnanian Enterprises Inc.
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Founder Kevork Hovnanian, who died last week at 86, is shown at left at the builder’s 2001 transfer to the NYSE. Sales
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Founder Kevork Hovnanian, who died last week at 86, is shown at left at the builder’s 2001 transfer to the NYSE.
Founder Kevork Hovnanian, who died last week at 86, is shown at left at the builder’s 2001 transfer to the NYSE. Sales
Founder Kevork Hovnanian, who died last week at 86, is shown at left at the builder’s 2001 transfer to the NYSE. Sales
The nation’s sixth-largest home builder in terms of the number of sales completed last year, Hovnanian is still trying to recover from its post-boom malaise. Late last week, the company suffered another blow with the death of its founder and chairman, Kevork Hovnanian, 86 years old. His son, Ara, 52, remains chief executive, a post he has held since 1997.
A spokesman declined to comment on when a new chairman will be named or how the death might affect the family’s controlling stake in the company.
Hovnanian took on more debt and made more acquisitions near the top of the housing bubble than most big rivals.
Now, the Red Bank, N.J., company is struggling to return to profitability in time to pay down debt and take advantage of potential bargains as banks unload foreclosed land.
“The company is caught in a tough spot,” said David Goldberg, an analyst at UBS Investment Bank in New York.
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How do the MarketWatch people “know” when across the board stock market gains are driven by M&A activity versus, say, massive liquidity dumps by central banks?
Benchmarks score 1% gain
Wall Street opens broadly higher, playing off fresh M&A activity as Abbott Labs and Xerox announce multibillion-dollar deals.
This sounds so like the 80s. All the M&A activity that is going on.
My thought exactly. And the stock market managed to generally keep going up during the 1982-1990 period (save for a couple of epic crashes along the way)…
Thank heavens Mr Market has officially been cured of its bipolar disorder. From here on out, the stock market always will once again always go up.
The end of the manic depressive market
The Dow suffered its biggest point drop ever a year ago — but also its biggest point gain. Now, stocks are rallying in an orderly fashion. Thank heavens for that.
By Paul R. La Monica, CNNMoney dot com editor at large
Last Updated: September 28, 2009: 1:54 PM ET
The historic drop on 9/29/08 wiped out nearly $1.2 trillion in market value.
The collapse of Lehman led to a deeper recession and a litany of government programs to try to end the pain. We rate just how bold and effective the plans have been so far.
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Wall Street will celebrate a not-so-happy anniversary on Tuesday.
A year ago on Sept. 29, the Dow Jones industrial average suffered its worst point drop in history, plummeting nearly 778 points, after the House of Representatives rejected the first draft of the $700 billion financial rescue plan. The S&P 500 and Nasdaq each plunged about 9% that day.
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“How do the MarketWatch people “know” when across the board stock market gains are driven by M&A activity versus, say, massive liquidity dumps by central banks?”
Why Professor Bear,
When the State Sposored Media says it is so, it must be so! To believe otherwise would be tantamount to rejecting the metaphysically embracing notion of “Cogitant ergo sunt”. Mere mortals could never expect to venture into such a vortex without getting a case of the swirlies.
(love it!)
I can’t help but wonder if the surge of liquidity into US stocks is not spurred by a “flight-to-quality” move out of the dollar?
The Financial Times
Yen surges after Tokyo signals no intervention
By Peter Garnham in London and Mure Dickie in Tokyo
Published: September 28 2009 18:54 | Last updated: September 28 2009 18:54
The yen rose to an eight-month high against the dollar on Monday after Hirohisa Fujii, Japan’s finance minister, indicated that Tokyo would not intervene to stem its recent rise.
Fears that Japan would move to weaken the yen for the first time since 2004 have intensified in recent weeks as it rose rapidly through the Y90 level against the dollar.
Monday’s heavy buying, however, sent the yen up to Y88.22 against the dollar, its strongest level since January 26. The jump came after Mr Fujii said that current moves in the dollar-yen exchange rate were “not abnormal”. He also said that “foreign exchange dumping” to defend Japanese exporters would be wrong.
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analysts said that part of Japan’s reluctance to intervene in currency markets was due to the fact that dollar weakness has been broad-based given the ultra-loose monetary and fiscal stance of the US authorities.
The dollar has not just weakened against the yen in recent weeks, but has hit a series of one-year lows on a trade-weighted basis. The US currency has fallen amid suggestions that low dollar borrowing rates have seen it supplant the yen as the primary funding currency for so-called “carry trades”, in which low-yielding currencies are sold to finance the purchase of riskier, higher-yielding assets elsewhere.
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The ancient Romans had their oracles, people high on the fumes of wells and whatnot, to tell them the future.
We have market commentators and prognosticators. Occasionally they’re right, like Jean Dixon used to be in the National Enquirer. We think they might see an angle we might miss. I think it’s part of the human condition.
I believe the US real estate market also faces a “mismatch between supply and supply” — for instance, a huge shadow inventory of foreclosure homes seems mismatched against efforts to respike the homebuilding party. And eighteen million plus vacant homes doesn’t help the supply picture very much, either.
Sept. 28, 2009, 8:53 a.m. EDT
Dr. Doom sees no credit bubble in China
By Chris Oliver, MarketWatch
HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — Contrarian economist Marc Faber is cautiously optimistic on the outlook for China, saying he sees few signs of a mismatch between supply and supply in the real estate sector, while its fiscal policies don’t appear to be repeating the mistakes made by Western counterparts.
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San Diego losing year-round cruise ship
Carnival shifts home port to Alabama for 2,052-passenger Elation
By Lori Weisberg
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
Come spring, San Diego will lose its only year-round cruise ship and along with it a bevy of bargain excursions to Mexico. Chalk it up as another casualty of the economy. Carnival Cruise Lines has decided to relocate its 2,052-passenger ship Elation from its home port in San Diego to Mobile, Ala.
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Well, SD gets pretty darn cold in the winter right?
uh no.
‘cept for 2 or 3 weeks interspersed.
Ya I know - tongue was planted firmly in cheek.
Where do you go from Mobile? Houston? Tampa? Do any of these destination resort cities really want a load coming in from Mobile?
I expect you’d go to “Western Caribbean” destinations - Key West, Grand Cayman, Cozumel, etc. Much like when you cruise out of Galveston or New Orleans.
A homebuying recovery stumbled in August, even as the clock began to wind down on an $8,000 tax credit, the National Association of Realtors said Thursday.
Existing-home sales slid 2.7% to an annual rate of 5.1 million. Sales had risen 15.2% in the prior four months to 5.24 million from a long-term low near 4.5 million.
While economists stressed that one month of data may not signal a new trend, the prospect of weaker sales reinforced the case for an extension of the refundable credit for first-time homebuyers.
“We can’t take a housing rebound for granted,” said NAR chief economist Lawrence Yun.
Sales start going down at the end of Sept. anyway ,so it’s no justification to extend the 8k tax credit .
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Investors in a class-action lawsuit against Bank of America Corp (NYSE:BAC - News) over the Merrill Lynch & Co takeover are trying to collect “billions of dollars” in damages, Ohio’s attorney general said on Monday.
Attorney General Richard Cordray spoke after filing a 155-page complaint in Manhattan federal court that accuses Bank of America of fraudulently concealing Merrill’s soaring losses even as it let Merrill award $3.6 billion of bonuses in 2008.
Cordray is leading the case on behalf of five pension funds. Investors also want to recover from Bank of America Chief Executive Kenneth Lewis, Chief Financial Officer Joe Price, Chief Accounting Officer Neil Cotty, the bank’s board of directors, and former Merrill chief executive John Thain.
“The amount of shareholder value affected here, negatively, is about as great as has been alleged in any case, ever,” Cordray said in a press conference. He said damages “could well be in the billions of dollars,” and that the investors are “not looking immediately to settle.”
Man it would be good to see some of these criminals go down.
A $33m settlement won’t cut it.
This judge should get an apt to the Supreme Court, but of course I’m sure the PTB will not want to see that happen, him sticking up for regular investors and all.
These are true words: Charles Hugh Smith.
2. Voters possess the built-in human bias for present gain over future gain. “One in the hand is worth two in the (future) bush” is the default human response, and future insolvency is meaningless to those expecting and desiring swag in the present.
Indeed, politicians have noted that those who demand sacrifice in the present to address a long-term crisis lose elections while those who distribute the most swag now while ignoring the gathering storm on the horizon win elections.
“A society cannot be both ignorant and free.”
If we’ve become a society of mostly grasshoppers, as opposed to ants, we’re going to have to suffer the consequences.
Wisconsin exports dive 21.5% in 1st half of year
By John Schmid of the Journal Sentinel
Posted: Sept. 27, 2009
Promoting manufacturing exports
The Wisconsin Manufacturing Extension Partnership has struck an agreement with the state Commerce Department to provide export-development expertise to small and midsize manufacturers.
Under the effort, department specialists will help manufacturers analyze markets, seek potential customers and connect with agents. The partnership, a nonprofit consulting organization, will pay the department up to $170,000 a year for the services.
The program will seek to boost the number of state manufacturers who export, and increase the volumes of those who are already exporting, said Lee C. Swindall, marketing director for the partnership.
Wisconsin exports increased by 9.2% in 2008 compared with 2007, to a total of $20.6 billion, but many manufacturers remain on the sidelines, the Commerce Department and partnership said in a statement.
More than one in six manufacturing workers in Wisconsin depends on exports for a job, the department and partnership said.
Exporters have tended to fare much better in the recession than manufacturers who tap only the domestic market, Swindall said.
- Rick Romell
Wisconsin’s exports, from paper products to massive shovels used in coal mines, appear headed for their sharpest yearly decline since at least the 1980s - the latest indicator that the economic slump has been as wide as it is deep.
Foreign demand for made-in-Wisconsin goods declined 21.5% in the first six months compared with the same period a year ago, paralleling a 23.8% national decline in U.S. exports, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
Exports from the state previously had grown every year since at least 1987, except for three minor declines in the period from 1998 to 2001, according to state and federal records.
The decline so far this year has been unusually severe, in Wisconsin and globally.
This should push a few more Dream Shacks and their DebtSlave owner onto the market and off the cliff.
http://tinyurl.com/y9l7ryu
“Wisconsin exports dive 21.5% in 1st half of year”
Cheeeez - who’d a thunk it!
Could there be more fondue lack in Fond du Lac???
HOUSTON (Reuters) - Allen Stanford, the alleged mastermind of a $7 billion fraud, is back in his jail cell after suffering a mild concussion, broken nose and two black eyes in a prison brawl last week, his lawyer said on Monday.
We can only hope that there will be more of this.
My guess is he spoke to some violent prisoner like he was a lawn boy and got his A## kicked.
Yeah, measton, probably.
Welcome to your “New Lil’ House on the Prairie”.
Piece of geo-duck poopy.
OR — he’s locked up with someone who he defrauded!
“R. Allen Stanford will be moved from the Conroe-area jail where he has been held for several months to the downtown Houston Federal Detention Center so he can better prepare for trial, according to a court order issued this morning.
The order made no mention of security issues. Stanford was involved in a fight with another inmate at the Joe Corley Detention Center last week that required hospitalization. He was returned to the jail Monday morning.”
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/stanford/6640398.html
“He has been in custody since July and was transported to a hospital about a month ago for an elevated heart rate. Doctors surgically repaired a leg aneurysm, and Stanford spent a few days there while doctors conducted tests and monitored him.”
I’d be willing to bet any of you HBBr’s he’s getting better health care than the rest of us get or will get under any new plan. And he gets it for FREE! Three squares a day also.
You think he’s in with the general population like Jeffrey Dalmer was? If so, he might not last long.
Sheesh! Just when it seems like stocks are beginning to always go up again, the scaremongers and gloomsters have to try to ruin the party with their correction talk. It is very hard to know what to believe under current market conditions, where US stocks have soared during the past half-year period against the backdrop of very shaky fundamentals.
Stocks due for correction?
Investors are rotating out of financials and into more defensive plays in a trend that may signal a market correction.
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MarketWatch First Take
Sept. 28, 2009, 1:12 p.m. EDT
Banker bashing is in vogue in London and Texas
Commentary: Downing Street offers civil rules for an uncivil business
By MarketWatch
…Bashing bankers is a political no-brainer even in good times. Now, when their companies are being propped up by governments around the world, it’s a moral imperative for any office holder.
However, it’s important to remember that no matter how much bankers may deserve public scorn, new rules limiting pay and causing them inconvenience carry a risk.
The problem is that in satisfying, in some small way, the public thirst for revenge, political leaders will delude the public into thinking the fundamental problems behind the crisis have been solved. They’ll also conveniently escape their own substantial culpability in failing to design adequate regulatory regimes, interfering in free markets without due regard for Murphy’s law, etc.
Incidental penalties and new rules imposed on the wealthy individuals who run the world’s biggest financial institutions may serve as a modest deterrent to malfeasance, but they cannot solve the problems that led to the financial crisis in the first place.
Perhaps a more effective approach would be a compulsory annual weekend for all financial executives to the Joe Corley Detention Center in Conroe, Texas. That’s where accused Ponzi schemer Allen Stanford is recovering from injuries suffered in a prison fight.
TORONTO (Reuters) – Canada outperforms the United States in health outcomes but is well behind global leaders like Japan in overall health of its population, a Canadian report released on Monday showed.
The annual report card by the Conference Board of Canada ranked Canada 10th out of 16 developed countries, with a “B” grade. The United States was the worst performer, placing 16th and earning a “D” grade.
“Canada has been at the center of much of the debate on U.S. health care reform. Since Canada ranks ahead of the United States on all but one indicator of health status … it is clear that we are getting better results,” Gabriela Prada, director of health policy at the Conference Board, said in a statement.
“But when we look beyond the narrow Canada-U.S. comparison to the rest of the world, Canadians rank in the middle of the pack in terms of their health status,” Prada said
Japan was once again the top-ranking country. Switzerland, Italy, and Norway also earned “A” grades.
“B” grades were given to Sweden, France, Finland, Germany, Australia and Canada, while Netherlands, Austria and Ireland earned a “C” grade, the report showed.
Along with the United States, Denmark and the United Kingdom got “D” grades.
Woo Hooo we passed !!!
Lousy Canadian Socialist rating system. I bet if you ranked countries by CEO pay at health insurance companies we would be number 1. USA! USA!
IMO the quality of health of a given country is generally driven by about:
A. 40% demographics
B. 40% culture/lifestyle
C. 20% health care system
The Canadians and the Japanese definitely have a leg up on the U.S. the first two categories. Not sure if I would attribute much, if any, to the third.
I almost wish we’d get a completely socialistic health care system in the U.S., just to prove how much of a failure it would be, when combined with the other two already-weak factors in the U.S. Unfortunately such an experiment will probably be the end of us.
Packman
A CBO paper on this from 2005 suggested that if obesity were the only reason health care costs had increased in the US the average per capita cost would be about $3000 instead its $6100 ie 2x about 2 x greater than all of those other countries that rated higher.
The paper noted that the fastest growth areas were
#1 drug costs - 10%/year
#2 administrative costs 7%/year
Now remember that those administrative costs should have been coming down over the prior 10 years due to computers and outsourcing call centers ect.
In 1985 75% of every dollar went to pay for hospital services, MD’s and nurses, now its under 60%.
Also remember that the administrative costs for Medicare are a fraction of private insurance.
Packman– Why would people getting preventive care, and not getting their primary care through the emergency room, cost more than the current system? Because now people don’t get preventive care, and get their primary care through the emergency room, and we all pay for it anyway.
We have the most expensive, least effective, health care system in the western world. Hate to lose that.
This guy makes a very good case that preventative care actually costs more than not.
I do realize that tons of people get their “primary” care through the emergency room, but it’s not nearly the amount of people that would otherwise bog down a system with a fully-paid-for public option.
My admittedly surface view.
The solution isn’t to create a new worse system, it’s to fix the system we’ve got. The solution to people using the emergency room for primary care is to simply refuse service. The problem though is regulation, and fear of lawsuits - that’s what it all gets down to.
So you refuse them service, and what do they do? Go quietly die somewhere? (What if they don’t go quietly?) Sounds like a nice country. Much better than some European socialist nightmare, where everyone gets care, for less than we spend, and they live longer. We’ll just let them die on the side of the road. Tell the kids to look the other way.
“The problem though is regulation, and fear of lawsuits - that’s what it all gets down to.”
This has been refuted as well in a New Yorker article that compared El Paso Texas and McCallen Texas. Same fear of lawsuits and laws dramatically different costs. It appears that if you own an interest in a lab or immaging center you are more likely to order labs and xrays than if you don’t.
Also note again that the most heavily regulated systems above provide similar or better healthcare for half the price.
You think you are fighting for capitalism but what you are fighting for is a giant leach that sucks the blood away from capitalism. Health care costs hurt companies in the US.
Amen, measton (and alpha sloth)!
So you refuse them service, and what do they do? Go quietly die somewhere? (What if they don’t go quietly?) Sounds like a nice country. Much better than some European socialist nightmare, where everyone gets care, for less than we spend, and they live longer. We’ll just let them die on the side of the road. Tell the kids to look the other way.
A. Ever hear of clinics? There are plenty of them, many of them free.
B. There are many charities that will help pay for non-emergency health care. (e.g. see A)
C. Jobs. Pay for your own health care.
Spare me the bleeding-heart crap. Providing free things with no strings attached - even health care (perhaps especially health care) - greatly expands the need for such free things.
HOUSTON (Reuters) – Allen Stanford, the alleged mastermind of a $7 billion fraud, is back in his jail cell after suffering a mild concussion, broken nose and two black eyes in a prison brawl last week, his lawyer said on Monday.
We can only hope for more of this.
My guess is he talked to a violent fellon the same way he talks to his lawn boy.
Wall Street has showered nearly $11 million on the Senate since the beginning of the year, and more than 15 percent of it has gone to a single senator: Democrat Chuck Schumer of New York.
Schumer’s $1.65 million take from the financial services industry is nearly twice that of any other senator’s — and more than five times what the industry gave to any single Republican senator.
And this is problem #1. I just don’t understand people who thing money = free speech and doesn’t influence elections for the elite.
It is much easier to whine about the consequences of private political campaign financing than to get up and do something about it. Most folks have no idea how politics really works in this country and would be horrified if they did. I know when I found out it changed my view of the country and everything I believed about it.
” — when you see money flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors — when you see that men get richer by graft and pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you — when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice — you may know that your society is doomed.”
Ayn Rand
Atlas Shrugged, page 413
WASHINGTON – The recession has hit middle-income and poor families hardest, widening the economic gap between the richest and poorest Americans as rippling job layoffs ravaged household budgets.
The wealthiest 10 percent of Americans — those making more than $138,000 each year — earned 11.4 times the roughly $12,000 made by those living near or below the poverty line in 2008, according to newly released census figures. That ratio was an increase from 11.2 in 2007 and the previous high of 11.22 in 2003.
Household income declined across all groups, but at sharper percentage levels for middle-income and poor Americans. Median income fell last year from $52,163 to $50,303, wiping out a decade’s worth of gains to hit the lowest level since 1997.
Poverty jumped sharply to 13.2 percent, an 11-year high.
“No one should be surprised at the increased disparity,” said Richard Freeman, an economist at Harvard University. “Unemployment hurts normal workers who do not have the golden parachutes the folks at the top have
The thing that always cracks me up about these comparisons is that they like to lump those in the top 5-10%. What we really need is a look at the top 0.5%. Some how this smalll elite band pays lower total effective tax rates than those in the top 40% minus the elites. This is the group that makes their money predominently from graft.
But wait, didn’t some poster remark recently that 130K was middle class? what’s up with that?
Ayn Rand!…I knew it!…
If only we could free the Trumps and Madoffs of the world to work their magic! Then we’d see something.
I would be ok with a Hank Rearden, someone who actually produces something of value to be sold at market (Steel).
Trumps, Madoffs, Stanfords, Health Insurance Companies, etc. don’t produce anything of value.
I would be ok with a Hank Rearden, someone who actually produces something of value to be sold at market (Steel).
Trumps, Madoffs, Stanfords, Health Insurance Companies, etc. don’t produce anything of value.
+1 on the first 3.
Health insurance companies very much produce something of value. I for one am willing to pay thousands of dollars a year for it.
Hey p-man, why don’t we cut out the middle man (HMO’s) and pay our money directly to the health care providers?
Health care is a service like any other. Let the market set the price. Although, ask any Doctor or Nurse and they’ll tell you “it’s a profession”. Gag!
Oh, and what really bothers me is different prices for the same product depending on who you are. For example, my mother who ran a surgery center said the following scenario is common:
Patient 1 - Has Medicare. Gets Procedure A. Medicare reimburses $495
Patient 2 - Not insured (pays cash). Gets procedure A. Pays $1395.
Cost to perform procedure $530.
According to my source (surgery center mgr aka mom) they have to set the price at $1395 just to get the HMO’s and Medicare to reimburse $495. If they give Patient 2 a cash discount and Medicare/HMO finds out, then they get the reimbursement rate lowered even further. It’s a scam.
Two people paying a different price for the same product.
WINDERMERE, Fla. – The Orange County Jail is a far cry from J. Robert Ward’s seven-bedroom, nine-bathroom home in the exclusive gated community that is home to Tiger Woods and Shaquille O’Neill.
But the prominent developer charged with second-degree murder in his wife’s shooting death appeared perfectly at ease over the weekend in a videotaped jail visit with family members.
The 61-year-old modeled his blue jail jumpsuit, danced and started to unbutton his shirt. He chatted about who would make a good character witness, whether he could buy anti-dandruff shampoo at the jail commissary and even where the family should celebrate Thanksgiving.
His daughter and sister-in-law giggled, belying the seriousness of the accusation against him. Police say he killed his wife in the master suite of their home on Sept. 21, then called 911 to say he had shot her. His attorney, Kirk Kirkconnell, has since raised questions about whether it was a homicide or a suicide. Kirkconnell did not return calls for comment Monday.
Diane Ward’s death is a disturbing turn in the life of her husband, a self-made millionaire who in recent years had suffered crushing financial troubles. J. Robert Ward hadn’t paid the $16,841 monthly mortgage on the estate in over a year, and had filed for bankruptcy after his business — developing vacation and resort home communities in five states — failed.
Wow 17k a month for over a year, what a deal.
WHY did the market go up today on Xerox buying the other corp?
I don’t get it.
Official rationale: Mergers make the merged corporation more efficient than the sum of its parts.
Tinfoil hat rationale: Green shoots of liquidity dumped on the stock market ensures that stocks are always going up again.
“Levelling the playing field” and “Re-distribution of Wealth” have their downside effects, IMHO:
Wall Street Journal Online, Sept. 28 -
“New companies will be crucial to the strength of any economic recovery. Businesses in their first 90 days of life accounted for 14% of hiring in the U.S. between 1993 and 2008, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
But this recession is taking a particularly heavy toll on business creation, as sources of small-business funding dry up and would-be entrepreneurs become more risk-averse. When entrepreneurs do launch businesses, they are hiring fewer employees on average. The trends threaten to damp growth in jobs and economic output for years.
Company formation typically dips slightly in recessions, says Brian Headd, a Small Business Administration economist. Earlier this decade, business starts — including new businesses and units of existing businesses — fell 9% between the third quarter of 2000 and the first quarter of 2003, the BLS says.
This time, the decline has been steeper. Business starts fell 14% from the third quarter of 2007 to the third quarter of 2008; the 187,000 businesses launched in that quarter were the fewest in a quarter since 1995. The number ticked up slightly in the fourth quarter, the latest data available. But those new establishments created only 794,000 jobs, the fewest since the government began tracking the data in 1993.
The recession may have ended, but history suggests business creation won’t rebound quickly. The 2001 recession officially ended in November of that year. But business starts didn’t begin growing again until mid-2003. A sustained lull in company formation “could have huge implications for the economy down the road,” Mr. Headd says.”
IMHO new capital and business formation will now fall like a crowbar down a well.
Those who have never made a payroll, or tried to comply with many local, State, and Federal regs and statutes to open and/or run a business may choose not to hear what I am saying.
Every single action, every proposal, and every nuance and suggestion from the Obama administration to date shows its complete and utter contempt for the small business owner.
Those closely aligned to a Leftist agenda will tell you that’s a welcome sea change.
I will tell you that it’s extremely difficult for cities, school districts, or the states or Feds to collect taxes from dark and boarded-up storefronts on Main Street. Empty parking lots at all industrial plants may be the dreamy goal of the global warming crowd, but empty parking lots and closed plants don’t buy groceries or pay public or private debt.
I think the Obama administration has been on the wrong course since day One. Mouthing wonderful Good Intentions and promoting destructive legislation seems to be the single game plan. I think the President’s advisors consist mostly of Clinton era retreads or lookalikes who cannot grasp the obvious, that deficits in fact matter greatly; and that it is lunacy to think you can legislate wealth creation in a country, or micromanage the economy to eliminate poverty and ignorance. The results, as they say, speak for themselves.
“I think the Obama administration has been on the wrong course since day One”.
So you created a trend from one data point? And are now making the data fit your model?
Yeah, welll about that… (besides being very bad scientific rigor)
What we are seeing the accumulation of 30 years of bad policy but especially the last 8 years. One guy isn’t going to change that in a few months.
“What we are seeing the accumulation of 30 years of bad policy but especially the last 8 years. One guy isn’t going to change that in a few months.”
You’re right about that. The problem is, Obama is multiplying the bad policies and not fixing anything. He’s the guy who’s cutting down the numbers of battlefield wounded by shooting them all in the head. Twelve times. From point blank range. Since day One.
“…shooting them all in the head. Twelve times. From point blank range. Since day One.”
Wow. Powerful analogy. Care to explicate? (Because it sounds like a load of @%$&*)
cobaltblue– Where on the planet does your style system currently operate successfully? Or when in history? Be specific, please. Is Europe one big batch of boarded-up store fronts? Who will buy these small business owners’ products and services if no one makes a reasonable salary? Would people making $1 an hour buy many oil changes/burgers/widgets?
**crickets***
Japan prices tumble by record in August.
http://tinyurl.com/y8ptfms
Japan core consumer price index falls by record 2.4 percent in August
On Monday September 28, 2009, 7:51 pm EDT
Buzz up! 1 Print.TOKYO (AP) — The government says prices in Japan tumbled at a record pace in August amid growing worries about jobs and wages.
The country’s core consumer price index fell 2.4 percent from a year earlier. The figure marks steepest decline since officials began compiling comparable data in 1971.
Japan’s core CPI has now dropped for six straight months, indicating that deflation is strengthening its grip on the world’s second largest economy.
The core CPI for Tokyo retreated 2.1 percent in September. The results suggest that prices nationwide are headed further downward. Prices in the nation’s capital are considered a leading barometer of price trends across Japan.
No worries — deflation can’t happen here, because the Fed won’t allow it.
Hyperinflation Alert!!
The Hun is at the gate! Buy commodities/equities now! Cash is for suckers, it’s ‘common’ knowledge!
Buy bullets now, before Obama bans you from doing so…
Bullet-Makers Swamped With Demands For Ammo
September 24, 2009
Gun dealers and bullet-makers are straining to keep up with record demand for ammunition. Some dealers think it’s because of fear President Obama will limit gun use.
‘Don’t tread on me!’ say the signs in the moron’s front yards. Don’t these paranoiacs realize that would be an easy way to see whom to tread upon?
How much would you bet that the average gun owner in the USA is quiet about his\her collection?
Do people really put signs in their front yard indicating they have guns in the house?
Gee do you think the gun and ammo dealers in this country might be selling this fantasy in order to stimulate sales??
Nah, who coulda thunk that up?
Let’s all run and get our “life-time” supply of ammo!