September 29, 2009

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Comment by robin
2009-09-29 01:09:28

Zillow notified me via email that my house dropped in value by $14,000 0r 3% in the past month.

We all used to regular trash Zillow, but we all secretly (IMHO) hoped for truth vs. Suzanne.

Have we come somewhere in between? Do we have any newer and more credible sources?

Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-09-29 05:16:00

I’d rely on recent sales transaction info and comps more.

There was virtually nothing sold over $200k in June and early July in this area. In the last few weeks I’ve seen more high end stuff listed as sold (which means contracts were signed about 60 days before). Recently I’ve seen a smattering of homes in the $300k’s. One was a new construction in the $500ks. It was probably a 4k+ sq footer on at least an acre. I’m familiar w/the neigborhood. I’m guessing the recovery declarations as well as the positive moving indices are making some feel confident in major purchases again.

I’m not even bothering anymore. Like many have posted the last few days we’ve also decided not to bother competing w/overleveraged, easy credit backed buyers w/no skin in the game. When the people around the table are as cautious as we are it’ll be time to go shopping. Until then we sock the extra cash away.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-09-29 09:11:39

Exactly. There’s just no point. We’ve got idiots overbidding on houses by tens of thousands of dollars just to get an $8,000 tax credit. We have geniuses on TV declaring the tax credit a success since it “helps people who are going to lose their jobs get into a home.” We’ve got 60-year old dumps lacking many basic features (no AC, oil heat, etc.) selling for more than 4x the median household income for the area. We’ve got stucco, “affordable” houses at 5x median income, and more new shacks being tossed up to catch the latest wave of the Bubble.

I just don’t see it ending until the nation/economy/currency completely collapses. They’ll extend the $8K - and maybe turn it into $15K. Whatever it takes to keep housing unaffordable, people in debt, and the masses doing stupid, greedy things.

Comment by neuromance
2009-09-29 19:15:19

Pondering, I saw near-mansions (on homesdatabase dot com) in Prince William county selling between 200 and 300K approximately. I was quite surprised. Now, they are way, way out in the boonies, close to nothing, have hellish commutes standing between them and DC Metro, and you have the crime of Prince William county to deal with. But the houses themselves - wow. Up at the top of the Baltimore Beltway, I saw houses like those off Falls road - all 1 million plus. I don’t know what to make of it, other than the souffle is descending at the edges pretty significantly. In way out exurbia at least.

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Comment by pressboardbox
2009-09-29 05:30:49

Every home I check on Zillow shows a big drop in the last two years and then lo and behold a “v-shaped” bottom back in the spring of 09 and a modest “recovery”. I think they got the script from Geithner.

Comment by DD
2009-09-29 17:22:47

Speaking of ZILLOW, IF you guys were to buy in Vegas. Under 150k =where would you look. What developments lavi d, should I send a friend. They have given up on the desert here, and tomorrow are driving to your neck of the woods. I would rather they wait, but they are heading your way.

Thanks,K

 
 
 
Comment by mugsy
2009-09-29 01:16:19

May I rant this morning? Thank you!

The same folks who didn’t see the housing crisis brewing are the same folks who didn’t see the recession coming are the same folks who swear that growth is returning. As a devoted reader/contributor to this blog I expected all of these things and more as the education I received here taught me a lot about causality and the fallacies that seem to govern modern economic thought (ie too big to fail, can’t happen here, etc).

With that, I must claim that as the government began spending its billions to lift us out of recession the first thought I had was “they’re going to propel us into a double-dip unless they clear out all of the dead wood”. Lo and behold what’s the chatter now? If private enterprise doesn’t jump on board soon and if consumers don’t start spending, we’re facing a double dip recession! Hell, even Maria “I never met a banker I didn’t like” Bartiromo is on board with this.

As long as all of this funny money is printed and injected and the banks aren’t allowed to fail in order to clear out of all of the toxic loans, MBS’s, toxic derivatives, etc then what was the point of all of this spending? Please don’t think that this is just a US phenomena. The Brits and European governments are the doing their fair share to try and prop this all up.

The end result is that this will all end badly. Maybe even worse than it would have been if they would have just let the chips fall and start from the beginning. No possibility of a double-dip indeed

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 06:34:00

Looking on the bright side, a double-dipper would extend the period during which Uncle Sam can issue debt at very, very low interest rates. Lower interest rates on debt will translate into less debt burden on your children and mine.

Comment by James
2009-09-29 06:38:47

Bear,

What happens to prices when interest rates are low?

What do the interest rates say about inflation/deflation?

What do they say about revenue?

Seems like we are still spending our way to insolvency.

Comment by scdave
2009-09-29 07:07:33

spending our way to insolvency ??

We are already there…

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 15:24:55

“What happens to prices when interest rates are low?”

Low interest rates increase demand relative to current incomes. Higher prices result. The relationship between interest rates and home prices is fundamental, except that the current low rate environment is financially engineered by the Fed.

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Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-09-29 07:02:07

“Lower interest rates on debt will translate into less debt burden on your children and mine.”

Suspect it’s the inflation that will translate into less of a debt burden on your children and mine.

 
Comment by Suspicious 2
2009-09-29 07:48:18

Except that the 10’s or 100’s of billions in interest savings is more than offset by the TRILLION’s of extra spending.

No savings there.

 
 
Comment by nycjoe
2009-09-29 06:45:55

Nobody “sees it coming” because they don’t want to look. Or they figure they can’t afford to look. Or they figure it’s too complicated for the average reader to comprehend. Or they figure it’s not worth the grief it’ll cause with advertisers. Some top editors might even imagine it’s tantamount to shouting “fire” in a crowded theater. Plenty of compelling reasons to look the other way, unfortunately. These far outweigh the potential rewards of breaking this story …

Comment by rainmayun
2009-09-29 13:36:44

there’s no law against shouting “fire” in a crowded theater if the theater is, in fact, on fire.

Comment by nycjoe
2009-09-29 16:05:12

Hah, good observation! That just makes the humor darker in the newsroom, if that’s possible.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 09:04:37

May I rant this morning?

Why, please do.

*waves hand in a gracious and rant-inviting fashion *

…Say, good rant. A good rant and this here nice big mug of hot Trader Joe’s coffee topped with half a can of whipped cream? Man, what a perfect way to start the day!
Plus, today I’m gonna go dig around and see if I can get details on local builder/developer defaults.
I mentioned last week to you all how I was standing at Safeway’s checkout line and heard someone talk about how this developer guy they know (And I knew the name! I hates him forever, too.) Anyway, how this developer was defaulting on several properties!

Oh, gosh, it gave me such a tingle! I got so flushed and excited and weak-kneed I about had to be helped out to my car by the nice bag-boy. I’m tingling right now just thinking about it.

Comment by potential buyer
2009-09-29 10:35:17

the bag boy made you tingle?………..:-)

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 10:55:04

No, hearing about the developer in default made me tingle. Heck, forget a little tingle, I just about showed the cashier my ‘O-face’, I was so excited and thrilled.

You’d have to know this particular a*ss*hat to understand my joy. He has killed many precious wetlands and streams and not a few beautiful little forests in the service of his gasping, slimy grasping for more and more and more pretty money. He knows many tricks, and hired many wh*ores…err, I mean ‘consultants’.
A cunning tricky wretch nonpareil.
But evidently his many tricks may not include gaming local market forces…
…Ooooh! Here comes another tingle! :lol:

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-09-29 16:58:05

I’m sure we all want to see your “O-face” :-D

 
Comment by DD
2009-09-29 17:30:13

Oly gal. are you watching PBS The National Parks, Americas Best Idea.?

I was thinking of you and you would just be hissing at some points, those nasty ‘ at all costs developers’. And the photos are stunning.

Tonight will be night 3 of a week long 2 hr per night showing of all the land we almost got developed.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 17:51:18

I’m sure we all want to see your “O-face”

Really? You say? Well, it’s easily managed. Just go kill a developer and bring me the scalp.
(But not the whole head—that’d be too drippy and messy)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 01:38:51

How do you make a dear realtor float?

One scoop of ice cream, and one scoop of dead realtor

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 01:40:22

dear = dead

Damit, I need to go to bed……..

Comment by cobaltblue
2009-09-29 04:46:46

In your defense, the oft-used phrase is “the Dearly Departed” not “the Deadly Departed”.

Then again, with Realtors in mind maybe both are appropriate.

 
Comment by Dale
2009-09-29 06:19:47

It’s all in the delivery….

 
 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-09-29 10:26:40

I thought you just freed their legs from the cement shoes. :D

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 01:50:53

And for those of us on the unemployed front……

Guy goes to the doctor, says “Doc, I’ve got a real problem I have to show you.” Guy drops trou, and his junk is orange!!

Doc says, “Man……. I’ve never seen anything like that before……” Doc orders a whole battery of tests….(the guy still has insurance). Everything comes back negative.

Doc calls him in, tells him the tests are negative. Says “We are wondering if you have been exposed to radiation, or hazardous chemicals?”

Guy says, “No……in fact I’ve been unemployed for the past eight months.”

Doc says, “Well, what have you been doing to keep yourself out of trouble?”

The guy says, “Not a whole lot…..just surfing for Internet porn, and eating Cheetos…….”

Comment by CA renter
2009-09-29 02:44:42

LOL! :)

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 09:07:55

Double LOL!

As it happens, I adore Cheetos. I don’t care if they’re made of unnatchrell substances.

Oh, wondrous cheesy crunchy garish orange goodness, thy name is Cheetoooooooossssss…..

*starts to drool *

 
 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-09-29 10:28:43

Angelo Mozilo still has health insurance? Damn.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 10:56:23

HAHAHAHAAHA! Good one.

 
 
 
Comment by matthew
2009-09-29 02:42:50

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090929/ap_on_go_ot/us_census_income_gap_2

“Household income declined across all groups, but at sharper percentage levels for middle-income and poor Americans. Median income fell last year from $52,163 to $50,303, wiping out a decade’s worth of gains to hit the lowest level since 1997.”

Enough said on that… wages & housing prices… it’s about damn time Congress woke up and realized that you cannnot legislate your way out maintaining this relationship, or you will end up exactly where we did in 2007… period.. end of story… period..

Wake the hell up Barney Boy and Chrissy Dodd ,and pull your head out… Phill Gramm remains public enemey #1 or #2 with Greenspan running a close second..

Comment by Al
2009-09-29 06:12:51

“Median income fell last year from $52,163 to $50,303, wiping out a decade’s worth of gains to hit the lowest level since 1997.”

I bet the average (mean) income is way up.

Comment by WT Economist
2009-09-29 06:21:34

“Mean” indeed. The rise in median household incomes through 1997 was supported by rising hours worked per household, not rising income per hour worked.

I’ll say it again, only two kinds of people are getting richer, and they set their own pay and charge everyone else. The top executives who sit on each other’s boards and vote each other an ever-rising share of private sector income. And today’s seniors, particularly retired public employees, who use their control of politics to vote for ever greater retirement benefits in the short run at the cost of soaring debt which will wreck the long run.

Everyone else is getting poorer. And I’m surprised the outrage among the serfs is not greater.

Comment by exeter
2009-09-29 06:38:11

“Everyone else is getting poorer. And I’m surprised the outrage among the serfs is not greater.”

Us serfs are divided and polarized by the PTB who utilize silly, nebulous idiocies like “death panels”, socialism strawmen and other sordid moronisms.

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Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-09-29 07:21:44

Don’t forget “climate change”. Doesn’t get any more nebulous than that. :)

 
Comment by james
2009-09-29 09:06:32

You are just as guilty of being a polarizing figure that refuses to consider anyone else’s viewpoint. More so than anyone else on this board.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-09-29 09:32:32

Then stop the moronisms like death panels.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-09-29 10:06:12

Whats wrong with DEATH PANELS anyway exeter?

I would love to face one one day..it is my dream

Hear me out….

Why do we torture our parents and grandparents by forcing them to live longer then they want?

Imainge if we tortured Charlie manson, the whole liberal crowd would go nuts,. yet these same do gooders will deny the very old and very sick the legal right to say enough is enough.

That’s all I want …is not to live like my grandmother did the last 5 years of her life So why cant i have that right as an American, to choose when to go and not have anyone sued or arrested?

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 11:00:26

I would love to face one one day..it is my dream.

Really? What an unusual dream.

*mystified face *

But, heck, I’ll come kill yer right now, if you’d like. If that’s what would make you happy. I exist only to serve, as you know.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 11:04:35

Let me enlighten you guys who scream about “death panels”……there are “death panels” out there already. Usually the members are the attending physician, and the direct family.

Usually, once the attending makes the call that nothing else can be done, and the patient will suffer unneccesarily, it’s real easy for the patient to get ” a little too much” medication.

OTOH, some families have no reason/incentive to deal with reality, since the taxpayer/insurer is footing the bill.

Here’s the X-GSfixer’s solution to the problem……..(this, and start regulating insurance companies like utilities……there is WAY too much incentive for insurance companies to jack people around, the way the system is currently working)

For those over (say) 75, with terminal conditions.

Panel of 2-3 local doctors gives estimate on how long patient would live, if further treatment is discontinued, and patient is only made as comfortable as possible until they pass.

If family wants to continue treatment, they can choose to……but they pay for it out of their own pockets. Sounds fair to me.

To me, if you are using taxpayer money to subsidize anything, you can’t complain about the taxpayer getting involved in decisions on how that money is spent.

The truth is, so much debt has been stacked onto everyone, it makes these arguments meaningless.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 11:23:34

Naw. I changed my mind, aNYCdj. One day I may want to visit NY, and if I do I want to hear cheery zydeco music and drink free beer. (You once said you’d buy me beer if I visited NY. Just so you know, I have an eidetic memory for some things, and free beer is one of those things.)

So, unfortunately, I cannot kill you right now. Maybe later, though.

 
Comment by mariner22
2009-09-29 11:55:15

X-GSfixr - You are absolutely correct. Fortunately Newsweek did a good story last week on this concept. We will NEVER get health care costs under control by giving 46 million uninsured people the same services enjoyed by the insured. No this is not fair, but rationing is part of any health care scheme, and the sooner we come to terms with this the better chance the system has of real reform. How do we ration should be discussion #1.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 12:05:39

Another clue for the guys throwing the temper-tantrums at the town hall meetings.

Think health-care isn’t “rationed” already? Then go schedule brain surgury with an “out-of-plan” man neurosurgeon.

I keep having these arguments with all my Republican friends. They are living in an alternate dimension of reality.

(I’m a registered Republican, in a dyed in the wool Republican state. These people need to stop watching Fox News, and open their eyes to what’s going on)

 
Comment by Al
2009-09-29 12:10:20

“How do we ration should be discussion #1.”

If it’s govt sponsored, go basic. Broken arms are covered, triple bipasses are not. Preventive medicine
is a priority. Keep people fit to go to work. Focus on high effectiveness - low cost treatments.

People are free to suppliment such coverage as they see fit.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-09-29 13:39:40

Nah i’d buy you 100 beers , so you could taste every microbrew i can find….LOL

You once said you’d buy me beer if I visited NY.

GS

This is exactly what happened to my father…he would have been bedridden with a respirator and he wanted them to take off the mask, and go…..The doctors and a lawyer, and a clergy all asked the same question if we took the mask off you will die….and he said yes

So they kept giving him morphine till he passed….I was a little sad but it was his wish

What i am saying if i am not about to die can i shorten the pain by say 60-90 days and get it over with???

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 15:10:21

The ex worked in the cancer ward at a major hospital. You’ve pretty much described the SOP, when the patient has his faculties.

The problems start when the patient is comatose/can’t make their choice known, and you get one of these “sanctity of life, no matter what it takes” people in the loop.

After seeing my grandfather and father slowly fall to pieces due to Alzheimer’s, I’m firmly in the camp of “It’s better to check out a little too soon, than a little too late”.

Ideally, my obit will say something like “70 year old dies instantly when Hayabusa sportbike hits wall at 170mph, while on his way to jump the bones of his 25 year old girlfriend”

Then I woke up…… :)

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 15:52:36

Nah i’d buy you 100 beers , so you could taste every microbrew i can find….LOL

Ohhhh! I’m packing right now, aNYCdj!
And I definitely won’t kill you for a long time, now matter how this thwarts your fond dream.

:lol:

 
Comment by DD
2009-09-29 17:38:12

the whole liberal crowd would go nuts,

BS.

I don’t think Any liberals would not mind seeing Manson dismembered. Heck, just go watch the new movie with brad pitt-quentin tarrantinos latest. UGH yet, the idea appealed to me in regards to hitlers demise.

Do not go see that movie if you want uplifting message.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-09-29 18:15:10

“I keep having these arguments with all my Republican friends. They are living in an alternate dimension of reality.”

What do you expect from a group who have to defend a failed economic ideology called supply side?

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-09-29 18:28:34

cool, I’m told everyone I’d live to be 100 just to pissssss everybody off….so whats the rush?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 06:39:56

I suspect the debt serfs are too busy worrying about staying employed or finding work, as the case may be, to put up much of a fuss.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2009-09-29 17:00:12

Debt, where is thy sting?

That kinda thing?!?

 
 
Comment by GH
2009-09-29 06:56:58

I have noticed here in San Diego traffic is heavy later in the day than it used to be. Used to be the roads were packed at 5:00 PM now it seems more like 6:00 PM and later … Any one else notice this trend - trying not to read anything into it of course …

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Comment by elvismcduf
2009-09-29 16:49:34

GH: I’m a courier for fedex. i drive around fallbrook all day…scarily light traffic in the 6 months or so. Even when the schools let out, traffic is slightly lighter.
Getting to work in Temecula down the I-15 used to take 17 minutes…now i get to work in 12 minutes. Seriously.
As far as the 5pm-6pm commute, i wouldn’t know. I’m off work at 3:30, due to fedex’s low volume. I usually worked 45 hrs. a week, now 30-35.
I have noticed a trend GH….lots of them.

ps-… and what’s with all this “tiny” food?

 
Comment by DD
2009-09-29 17:39:40

elvis keep posting your daily insights. You are on the front line for sure.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 17:53:49

elvis keep posting your daily insights. You are on the front line for sure.

Agree! Nobody sees the place like the UPS or FedEx driver.

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-09-29 07:08:54

Don’t you know we need rich people and we need to stop taxing them otherwise all of us are going to end up in the poor house, it’s that simple????????????

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Comment by exeter
2009-09-29 07:12:39

Measton did you hear? ACORN caused the black plague.

 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-09-29 07:52:19

we need to stop taxing them otherwise all of us are going to end up in the poor house

What are you going to do when there’s no one left to tax?

 
Comment by measton
2009-09-29 08:55:14

What are you going to do when there’s no one left to tax?

That’s where we are now the elite have figured a way out of paying taxes given that they pay a lower total effective tax rate than say the middle 20% and up excluding the top 0.5%.

The middle class is collapsing. All new taxes carbon,soda, health insurance plans, ect hit the middle class and the poor.

Stpn2 the emperor has no clothes, the elite you fight for are not the people who make a stronger better United states. They are the people who have manipulated and swindled the US.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-09-29 09:54:00

I’m still trying to figure out why going to the only group whose wealth increased in the last decade (and did so by a large proportion) and asking them to help is so horrible. It’s not like we’re asking them to starve.

People sniff that a laborer wouldn’t be in this mess if he’d been putting money away for a rainy day. Isn’t that also true of the people who really were making extra money?

Who are we trying to fool when one suggests the wealthy couldn’t still provide that job, eat well, send their children to Ivy League schools, etc. etc. My gosh, the only difference might be art, designer clothing, yacht prices and oh yeah, the RE portfolio might take a hit.

Doesn’t seem like a strong enough argument to destroy the middle class for to me.

 
Comment by Al
2009-09-29 10:53:09

“Don’t you know we need rich people…”

We need rich people who earned their bounty, as role models. You know, people like……

 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-09-29 07:08:58

And I’m surprised the outrage among the serfs is not greater.

Indeed. The prevailing emotions are fear and anxiety, though, not outrage. The outrage exists in pockets, but too many people are just trying to hang onto their jobs. (Productivity is up!)

An Argentinian-style meltdown would engender widespread outrage, but let’s hope it doesn’t come to that …

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Comment by DinOR
2009-09-29 07:48:46

Too high on meth to notice. ( See below )

 
 
Comment by scdave
2009-09-29 07:17:41

particularly retired public employees ??

Nooooo question about it and its not going to change…Life expectancy continues to grow, they get some of the best medical care benifits and many of the retired public employees will receive these benefits in the vicinity of 30 years…They “are” the upper middle class of today…You may even want to use the “rich” word since their revenue stream is “guaranteed” for the remainder of their life…

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 06:37:10

Incomes down, home prices up — it’s all good! The economy has stabilized!! Most importantly of all, come rain, snow, sleet or hail, the bankers’ bonus checks are in the mail.

Economic Report

Sept. 29, 2009, 9:24 a.m. EDT
Home prices rise for 3rd straight month, Case-Shiller says

By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The market value of U.S. homes in 20 major cities rose by 1.6% in July compared with June, the third monthly increase in a row, according to the Case-Shiller home price index released Tuesday by Standard & Poor’s.

In July, prices rose in 18 of 20 cities. Only Seattle and Las Vegas recorded lower prices in July than in June.

In the past year, prices are down 13.3% in the 20 cities. Prices are down 32.6% from the peak, and are now at levels seen in late 2003.

Prices in all 20 cities were lower in July 2009 than in July 2008.

The figures are not seasonally adjusted. Prices typically rise in the summer months when demand is stronger.

The figures indicate a “stabilization in national real estate values,” said David Blitzer of S&P, who cautioned that the expiration of the first-time home buyer tax credit and increased foreclosures could put more downward pressure on prices.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 06:38:17

“Prices in all 20 cities were lower in July 2009 than in July 2008.”

Oops — I almost overlooked that line, in my elation over reading that home prices were up over the past month.

Comment by packman
2009-09-29 06:55:05

PB - those numbers are seasonally adjusted. So even though they’re down vs. last year, there’s no denying that the reason they’re up isn’t due to seasonality, but due to a real turnaround in prices in the past few months; presumably due to a combination of:

A. green-shoots-fueled speculation
B. the tax credit
C. price-swing-based speculation (e.g. lots of people I’m sure were waiting for what they perceived as a bottom before buying)

The question remains as to whether the turnaround can be maintained (in most of our strong opinions probably not), but they are definitely up for now.

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Comment by packman
2009-09-29 07:08:41

P.S. those rooting for a continued fall in home prices can take solace that there was a head fake after the early-90’s recession. After falling for a while prices appeared to level in 1992, before continuing to trickle down until 1997, at least in inflation-adjusted terms.

I think we’re probably in the midst of a very similar (though more stark) head fake. I also think that prices will do a similar long-term trickle down as well, though most likely masked by overall price inflation (and thus trumpeted as an earlier-than-reality bottom).

 
Comment by Skip
2009-09-29 07:29:56

How do you seasonally adjust the price of your house? Is you house worth less in winter and more in the spring?

 
Comment by packman
2009-09-29 07:35:34

How do you seasonally adjust the price of your house? Is you house worth less in winter and more in the spring?

Generally - yes.

Your house is worth what someone’s willing to pay for it. Demand picks up in the spring and summer, as that’s when more people are looking to move (e.g. for school reasons, it’s easier to move in the summer). Since demand picks up, it pulls up prices.

That’s why it’s important to take seasonality into account in the housing market.

 
Comment by packman
2009-09-29 07:38:32

P.S. I double Shiller attempts to seasonally adjust the price of each individual house - he/they probably just set up the vanilla index first (based on actual sales), then adjusts the index as a whole for seasonality. The publish both indices - seasonally-adjusted and non-seasonally-adjusted.

 
Comment by packman
2009-09-29 07:42:19

P.P.S. That being said - “worth” is a relative term. Of course if you intend to stay in your house and not sell it, then you don’t give a rats patootie about how much it would sell for - it’s worth is based on how much value it gives to you, which presumably doesn’t change with the seasons (actually it’s probably worth *more* in the winter - especially if you live up north - even Detroit!).

Of course that being the case, then you also wouldn’t care about the indices. They’re there for those who care about the selling/buying market.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-09-29 08:04:40

I have just never heard of an appraiser adding/subtracting based on calendar date.

 
Comment by packman
2009-09-29 08:14:51

I have just never heard of an appraiser adding/subtracting based on calendar date.

We have a couple of appraisers on the HBB here - so I’d be curious to hear their take. As we know, appraisals aren’t an exact thing, so I’m guessing that seasonality could just be considered part of the “fudge factor”. Also - houses don’t sell instantly, so if the price were set based on seasonality it would become obsolete when the season changes. So I would assume it’s left up to the seller to adjust as they see fit.

If I were an appraiser, I would probably take it into account one way or another, probably as a footnote.

Though keep in mind appraisals are done for two reasons:
- Gauge a selling price
- Estimate the value for LTV purposes

In the latter case, seasonality can’t be taken into affect, since the lender has no idea when the current buyer/refinancer will end up selling their house.

 
Comment by dimedropped
2009-09-29 12:11:06

Packman- I are an appraiser. ;)

Having said that with bowed head I can state that you have a valid point but there are so many dynamics at play now seasonality is the least of our problems.

Factor in these to start-Short sale, foreclosures, REO properties, shadow inventory, listings being reduced almost daily, FHA creative financing with chump change down, closings occurring again with no SSN#,realtor fraud, kickbacks, seller and buyer collusion, straw men, fake sales,rental programs(shadow), sale leaseback agreements and so on.

I do nothing now but fraud investigations for past appraisals and am glad to be out of appraising of old.

I will tell you that I had a call from an old client begging me to do one update that I had appraised a year earlier. I agreed and it took me a day and a half to do what should take 3 hours.

In the end I told them I really had no value but I had a range of potential value if someone showed up to buy it. To this day I do not feel as though I could state a value for a property as of these past few months. I am where I need to be. In this area you just hope you hit the dart board.

 
Comment by packman
2009-09-29 14:17:01

Thanks for the info dimedropped. I can’t imagine trying to be an appraiser right now - you have my sympathies! Fraud investigation’s got to be a tough gig; akin to police dept’s Internal Affairs - everyone in the department hates them. Best of luck to you - do some good!

 
 
Comment by Eddie
2009-09-29 09:14:05

YOY matters for sales volume. You can compare and get some meaning from Aug ‘08 vs Aug ‘09 . Price change yoy is a good historical measure, doesn’t say much of what is currently happening.

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Comment by james
2009-09-29 09:14:56

Lets just wait another year or two PB. See if prices are really stable and recovering.

Course, be ready to jump if we see signs of a major exodus from the dollar.

Perhaps that would be a good theme for the next year or two. The book of exodus.

People leaving Florida and California. Industry leaving the US. Countries abbandoning the dollar.

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Comment by hip in zilker
2009-09-29 10:02:16

exodus - a good theme for the next year or two

yeah, great theme song too !

after the w-s: youtube.com/watch?v=0NHbOqmNVm8

 
 
 
Comment by nycjoe
2009-09-29 06:59:36

Average or median “home” prices going up, good. Forced sales working their way up the food chain … shhhhh.

 
Comment by anotherblackhat
2009-09-29 07:33:15

Of course, not if you factor in the $8,000 tax credit.
I.e. the price that people are willing to pay for houses continues to decline, it’s just that the govenment is paying part of the tab.

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-09-29 09:19:54

And the top 1% sing a song of joy, for this is “Mission Accomplished!’

Watch the Middle Class swirl around the drain… going… going… gone! Then, we can live in glorious 3rd world nation, with poverty for most and gated compounds with guards for the rest!

I assume that this crumbling median income will help raise housing prices - or does income even matter for housing anymore? I guess not… anyone want a 50+ year old, Post-War shoebox house without AC for 4x the national median household income? And that’s just what we have for starters round here in Maryland! Argh!

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-09-29 12:39:23

For many decades most of the other nations in the world snubbed market economics. Then Red China got an idea to start privatizing. They would still label in Communism. After a couple of decades or more of annual double digit percentage increases in GDP, they have assumed the role of one of the most wealthy nations. India the same.

As these people became wealthier, they had lower labor costs than the U.S. labor force. Americans sat on their fat behinds and a low murmur has grown into loud complaints: “We don’t want competition! We want to continue hogging the world’s resources and polluting the world and to make the third world people live in poverty!”

This is the real truth in the back of the mind of the Americans now. What they should have done is to either make themselves more competitive or invest every last dime in emerging markets. Become the boss of the Chinaman or Indian.

Comment by packman
2009-09-29 14:21:40

Become the boss of the Chinaman or Indian.

FWIW - many companies are in fact doing that. I recently worked for one, where the engineering department basically consisted of a whole bunch of lower-level engineers in China, and some high-level engineers and management in the U.S.

Really tough to make that work though. Just the logistics are hard enough (e.g. trying to schedule meetings 3 time zones apart is tough enough - try 11 time zones, plus travel costs, etc.). Cultural differences are big, legal headaches abound (e.g. protecting intellectual property).

It can work, but only if managed well, and only in certain segments of industry.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-09-29 03:33:05

Recession chips away at granite kitchen tops
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Not long ago, it was a home-improvement rule seemingly set in stone: a new or upgraded kitchen had to have granite countertops.

The more granite counter space, the better. Real estate agents steered clear of homes without them. A lot of home sales hinged on the sleek sheets of stone. Home-improvement chains couldn’t keep them in stock. Interior designers thought only in granite when it came to kitchen design.

“Granite was a prestigious statement for building,” said interior designer to the stars Jim Weinberg of Atlanta.

Now, 21 months into this recession, granite countertops are relics of a fizzled-out housing boom. Granite varies by market, and it has dropped in price, but it still can be pretty expensive. Here in metro Atlanta, with granite priced at $25 to $75 a square foot, insisting on it in the time of recession seems impractical.

Construction of new homes has fallen off so much that were it not for renovation work, many construction firms would be in danger of closing. And even that work isn’t as promising: Home values in metro Atlanta have fallen more than 11 percent in the last year, according to real estate Web site zillow.com. And many homeowners owe more than their home is worth, making home improvement projects at this point moot.

Quarries that mined the more exotic granite have shut down or curtailed production drastically.

Home improvement chains, such as Home Depot and Lowe’s, are offering lesser-priced alternatives, such as concrete, solid wood and laminates, as well as a “best-value granite” that costs a little less for customers who want to fix up their kitchens. Many of the alternatives cost 10 percent to 15 percent less than granite.

“We knew people were more value conscious. So we worked really hard to find ways to give them more for their money,” said Home Depot spokesman Stephen Holmes.

Styles, colors and surfaces of some of the granite alternatives are “pretty amazing,” Holmes said.

At a distance, he said, the alternatives “can look pretty much like stone or another solid countertop.”

The lower-priced countertops can serve as quick kitchen facelifts for investors who have bought foreclosed properties.

Comment by cobaltblue
2009-09-29 04:06:03

“At a distance, he said, the alternatives “can look pretty much like stone or another solid countertop.
The lower-priced countertops can serve as quick kitchen facelifts for investors who have bought foreclosed properties”.

I’m thinking that in these recessionary times there may be other alternatives the public will become interested in:

The Stucco Countertop - who isn’t impressed by that? And why not? It’s so “Boom-Times”! It says you know value when you mortgage it heavily.

The Cardboard Countertop - going recyclably green was never easier for the enviro-conscious consumer. Perfect DIY makeover for the home equity challenged.

The NY Times Countertop - the dual advantage of increasing circulation of “America’s Newspaper” and giving the consumer something to read besides the ingredients on the cereal box.

The Pergo Countertop - America’s most beloved floor surface meets the centerpiece of the kitchen, heartbeat of the home. An instant classic.

Comment by veloblues
2009-09-29 05:23:11

ROFLMAO!!!

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-09-29 09:24:45

We should just remodel every house in the nation with Pergo-granite-stainless steel. Based upon insane realtor math, if we spend a few trillion dollars on that, it would return 200% or more of the invested value, right? Hahaha!

Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-09-29 12:02:09

I don’t get pergo. I like real hardwood. Pergo feels wrong.

Concrete countertops? Interesting. Why not just go stainless steel like they use in restaurants. It’ll last forever.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 12:09:59

Somehow, putting heavy-a$$ concrete countertops on top of particle board/w laminate cabinets is just asking for trouble.

 
 
Comment by DD
2009-09-29 17:52:27

One thought I have is that when this decade is over, when and will the style become really so 2000’s and be torn out like they tore out the ‘it is so 80’s’ or ugh- 70s, or now one of the fashions is one that has returned the mid century modern. Gosh. “should have left those mid century amenities along”.

It is just a fad , the granite.
Everything new is old, everything old is new.
Fashion.

Marketing, advertising, and msm.

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Comment by salinasron
2009-09-29 04:11:57

“At a distance, he said, the alternatives “can look pretty much like stone or another solid countertop.”

At what distance? Outside the house looking through the window?
Can’t they just lower the price on the better quality? Oh yeah, they just aren’t going to give it away!!

 
Comment by oxide
2009-09-29 04:56:17

Three weeks ago I stupidly went to the Fall Home and Garden Show. It was a Friday afternoon, so it was dead. I overheard vendors saying it would pick up after 5, but it didn’t. There were a lot fewer demo gardens than I anticipated, and those gardens were far smaller and less elaborate than usual. I was afraid to walk too close to anybody for fear of being accosted. Even so, Home Despot hounded me twice, offering free kitchen design services. These guys are hurting.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-09-29 05:04:06

Can’t our Government do something? Maybe a “Granite for Beggars” program or something to stimulate the industry.

 
Comment by Al
2009-09-29 05:44:00

“And many homeowners owe more than their home is worth, making home improvement projects at this point moot.”

And here I was fixing up my house to make it more comfortable. I was such a fool. I didn’t understand.

Comment by packman
2009-09-29 06:19:53

“And many homeowners owe more than their home is worth, making home improvement projects at this point moot.”

FWIW - that’s only true if they walk.

 
Comment by DD
2009-09-29 17:53:48

I was such a fool. I didn’t understand.

Thats okay. We understand. There there there!

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-09-29 05:59:25

What’s Lurking in Your Countertop?
Nathaniel Brooks for The New York Times

SHORTLY before Lynn Sugarman of Teaneck, N.J., bought her summer home in Lake George, N.Y., two years ago, a routine inspection revealed it had elevated levels of radon, a radioactive gas that can cause lung cancer. So she called a radon measurement and mitigation technician to find the source.

“He went from room to room,” said Dr. Sugarman, a pediatrician. But he stopped in his tracks in the kitchen, which had richly grained cream, brown and burgundy granite countertops. His Geiger counter indicated that the granite was emitting radiation at levels 10 times higher than those he had measured elsewhere in the house.

“My first thought was, my pregnant daughter was coming for the weekend,” Dr. Sugarman said. When the technician told her to keep her daughter several feet from the countertops just to be safe, she said, “I had them ripped out that very day,” and sent to the state Department of Health for analysis. The granite, it turned out, contained high levels of uranium, which is not only radioactive but releases radon gas as it decays. “The health risk to me and my family was probably small,” Dr. Sugarman said, “but I felt it was an unnecessary risk.”

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-09-29 06:35:24

You might want to think twice before having the nuclear chicken wings at Lynn Sugarman’s house.

 
Comment by Cassandra
2009-09-29 06:53:33

Maybe this would save on energy costs. Perhaps the food stays warm as long as it is left on the counter top.

Comment by DinOR
2009-09-29 07:09:00

Too funny! Hey who needs a microwave?

But I thought Conventional Wisdom here held these would be used for tombstones for FB’s!?

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Comment by Al
2009-09-29 07:15:24

I can’t believe you said that Cassandra! You’re not actually supposed to put food or dishes on granite countertops.

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Comment by Bad Chile
2009-09-29 07:38:38

I can’t beleve that someone, somewhere, didn’t stop to think granite - a natural source of radon - had this feature.

The US Capitol Building, for example, has such a concentraiton of granite leading to elevated background readings of such an extent that it could not be licensed as a nuclear plant by the NRC. The level in the rotunda of the Capitol Building is 5.5 times higher than what is allowed at the fenceline of a Nuclear Energy Plant.

Source: junkscience (dot) com

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-09-29 07:43:35

Al,

Right! And one should only serve wine in glasses w/ Radon Approved 18″ stems! LOL!

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-09-29 08:02:28

Naah, but you should serve all your food on old red Fiestaware.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-09-29 09:27:58

“The US Capitol Building, for example, has such a concentraiton of granite leading to elevated background readings of such an extent that it could not be licensed as a nuclear plant by the NRC. The level in the rotunda of the Capitol Building is 5.5 times higher than what is allowed at the fenceline of a Nuclear Energy Plant.”

So… our congress-critters spend a lot of time in a building full of radiation… that could explain a few things.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-09-29 10:07:32

… our congress-critters spend a lot of time in a building full of radiation… and periodically return home to Main St America to meet with their constituents

sounds like a good premise for a political satire sci-fi or horror film

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-09-29 10:12:25

Glow: The Return of the Congress Creatures

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-09-29 12:05:31

Man I so need to buy a geiger counter from eBay, go to open houses, and run out when it starts clicking at the granite counters.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-09-29 12:09:23

I can just see you doing that! (Take a friend with a video camera, please.)

 
Comment by Al
2009-09-29 12:14:12

“Man I so need to buy a geiger counter from eBay, go to open houses, and run out when it starts clicking at the granite counters.”

Or: after it the geiger starts going off, start flicking a broken lighter under the edge and say “you gotta see this man” with a slightly hysterical/maniacal tone to your voice.

Either way, fun fun fun.

 
Comment by tresho
2009-09-29 12:14:16

I can just see you doing that! (Take a friend with a video camera, please.) For even more fun, tape a bit of radioactive test material to the detector of your Geiger counter & it will ‘react’ to whatever you point it at.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 12:15:32

“…..buy a Geiger Counter…..”

I do a similar thing, by taking my digital micrometer and a notepad to car part swap meets. Just start measuring an overpriced crankshaft, connecting rod, etc., flip open your notepad and start writing notes, while at the same time, frowning and shaking your head with a “too far gone to save” look on your face.

 
Comment by packman
2009-09-29 14:27:15

“Man I so need to buy a geiger counter from eBay, go to open houses, and run out when it starts clicking at the granite counters.”

You can do that kind of joke anywhere actually. Just get something that’s phosphorescent (glow-in-the-dark trinket or watch or whatever) and bring it. Those make geiger counters go crazy. Just move it close to it at select times….

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-09-29 07:16:01

A homeowner could also see savings on not having to go to the doctor for x-rays. If you lay your broken arm on the countertop you may be able to see where the bone has fractured.

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Comment by dimedropped
2009-09-29 12:15:51

Had I spent more time in the kitchen I could have avoided the vasectomy. My wife was right.

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Comment by packman
2009-09-29 14:28:14

Guys who spend lots of time in the kitchen don’t *need* vasectomies.

(I kid, I kid)

 
Comment by DD
2009-09-29 18:02:07

HAHAHA LOL ‘men who spend more time in the kitchen dont’ need vasectomies’.. Never thought of that. No wonder I dont’ have rug rats. Always picked men who loved to cook.
hmmm.

 
 
 
Comment by fisher
2009-09-29 10:36:01

Oh! Get her a matching housewarming gift:
FIESTAWARE! Bwwwaaahahahahah!

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-09-29 06:23:05

I was willing to spend whatever it cost up front for something that would be cheaper in the long run, and I still saw no way to beat formica. We installed ours 15 years ago, and it is like new. My wife will want to change colors long before it wears out.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-09-29 07:10:40

Does Dr. Sugarman drive or ride in a car? That’s a much greater health risk than radon.

Comment by oxide
2009-09-29 07:36:37

So, you’re telling us to put uranium in our homes, and heck, throw out our smoke detectors too. It doesn’t matter because we’ll all just die in car crashes anyway.

Two can play the logical fallacy game.

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-09-29 09:08:13

This is a bizarre post, oxide. Carolina Bill was pointing out the health risk of radon relative to driving or riding in a car. Nothing more, nothing less.

He did not tell anyone to put uranium in their homes or discard smoke detectors. You injected that into the mix.

I think you’re playing a game by yourself. Go to a rotunda and stand in the corner for a bit.

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-09-29 12:59:09

For living on the real edge, install granite dashboard in your car!

 
Comment by packman
2009-09-29 14:30:09

For living on the real edge, install granite dashboard in your car!

LOL.

Along those lines - I’ve heard it said that the surest way to ensure auto safety is to replace the driver’s-side airbag with a spear.

 
Comment by DD
2009-09-29 18:03:36

For living on the real edge, install granite dashboard in your car!

AND text on your cell phone.

 
 
 
Comment by tresho
2009-09-29 11:35:49

I still saw no way to beat formica. We installed ours 15 years ago, and it is like new. No one should take formica for granite.

Comment by DD
2009-09-29 18:04:51

LOL

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Comment by Skip
2009-09-29 07:33:00

Many of the alternatives cost 10 percent to 15 percent less than granite.

Wow - you can save an entire 10% to 15% by choosing laminate over granite! Sign me up Home Depot!

Comment by oxide
2009-09-29 07:38:00

No, laminate is MUCH cheaper. The 10-15% probably refers to engineered stone or Corian or custom-fab concrete.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2009-09-29 08:42:30

In Brazil, granite was one of the cheaper options. Please don’t think I’m bad because I used granite on every counter top in the house…..:-)

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 09:17:26

I think you’re bad! Bad squared!
Next thing you know, you’ll be going on and on about your stainless steel and travertine marble furnishings.
Tell me, is your granite the ‘exciting’ kind? ‘Cause if it is, then you could get into your stainless steel bed with a good book, and you wouldn’t even need a lamp! You could read it by the soothing light of your glowing radioactive self.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 09:18:50

By the way, I was teasing you, Rio. In case it wasn’t clear.
I don’t really think you’re bad. Much.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2009-09-29 09:37:15

Well, actually only one is “exciting” but I don’t like it anymore. It looks like what can happen if one eats too much chip-beef…

But we love the other granite tops because it seems the more we use ‘em the more belly fat we lose!

 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-09-29 12:22:06

I’m gonna get granite countertops for my Casita travel trailer…wait, I forgot there aren’t any counters…dang!

 
Comment by cereal
2009-09-29 16:20:25

I’ve noticed the Earth has gotten a little smaller since everyone began using granite.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-29 03:52:31

FDIC likely will require banks to prepay $36 billion fees to replenish deposit insurance fund. September 29, 2009

WASHINGTON (AP) — Looking to shore up the diminishing fund that insures bank deposits, the FDIC may take the unprecedented step of requiring banks to prepay three years’ worth of premiums: about $36 billion.

The insurance fund has been sapped by billions from a rash of bank failures that began in mid-2008. The board of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. likely will call for “prepaid” bank insurance premiums at its public meeting Tuesday to discuss the issue, three industry executives and a government official said. The banking industry prefers that option over a special emergency fee — which would be the second this year.

The executives and the official spoke on condition of anonymity Monday because the decision had yet to be made public.

It would be the first time the FDIC has required prepaid insurance fees. Under the plan, banks would have to pay in advance their insurance premiums for 2010-2012, bringing in about $12 billion for each of the three years, two of the executives said. That is the normal amount of insurance fees, though it could vary somewhat according to growth in total insured deposits — the basis for determining the fees.

Comment by polly
2009-09-29 05:24:34

Accounting tricks. What are they going to do for money over the next three years?

OK, it does get them premiums from the ones that will go bust in the next year or two but are still hanging on right now. It makes sense from that point of view, but still…..

Comment by Al
2009-09-29 05:46:10

I’m sure the banks can borrow the money from the Treasury or the Federal Reserve. Or maybe pay their fees with MBS.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-09-29 09:29:45

Can’t they just sell the toxic waste back to themselves over and over, book the profits, and shuffle the losses over to “Level 3″ where it will never matter?

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Comment by DD
2009-09-29 18:18:44

Andromeda Strain. level 3 -defcon.

 
 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-09-29 05:51:08

Unnamed govt official and industry executives… banks lobbying some politician or regulatory official..

“The banking industry prefers that option over a special emergency fee…”

Sounds like banks would prefer some cheaper option and dreamed up this idea. They don’t want another “special fee”.

Comment by polly
2009-09-29 08:33:59

Maybe that works. They are all on accrual accounting, so even if they pay the money this year, if it is for next year’s insurance premium, then they don’t “book” it until the year it applies to. Hmm… that makes sense. The government gets the money now, but the banks don’t have to show it on their books until next year or the year after so they still look like their reserves are OK.

Like I said before, accounting tricks.

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Comment by measton
2009-09-29 07:11:27

The idea drive the smaller banks out of business so that the larger banks can gobble up their business and survive and become even bigger than too big to fail.

Comment by DinOR
2009-09-29 08:29:26

measton,

Unfortunately, the smaller banks have been more than effective at driving -themselves- out of business and didn’t need so much as a helping hand!

In reading the Material Loss Review of our local failed ( 2 branch bank ) w/ almost as much “assets” under mgmt. in 7 years as more conservative Citizens Bank took almost 50 years to build.., they’d been warned about their speculative behavior as early as 2003!

Nah, sorry, when I have to live w/ them and they way they’ve polluted the bus. environment here in town you’ll be hard pressed to get any empathy out of ‘me’? Especially when their growth model was built on “Hey, we’re -local-, we’re not like those crazy WS types, you can ‘trust’ US..!”

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Comment by packman
2009-09-29 06:21:36

Cripes. Just more kicking the can down the road. How far can it be kicked before the bloody foot just becomes too painful?

Comment by GH
2009-09-29 06:58:56

An amazingly long time apparently.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-09-29 07:14:35

a. Are the banks represented by the same lobbyists that got Congress to squash attempts by bank regulators to reign in construction and commerical real estate loans?

b. Now, after getting bonuses from all the bad business they did, they want to shift the cost of the associated losses to the future.

c. When everyone would have forgotten about “b,” just as they have now forgotten about “a,” so when those costs land on the less well off they will seem to have dropped from the sky.

Why is it that if things happen at two different times, people don’t understand they have something to do with each other?

 
Comment by adopt-a-landlord
2009-09-29 08:54:28

I’m sure my bank, which operated responsibly and stuck to more traditional standards during the bubble years, is happy, thrilled, and proud to step up and help bail out its foolish competitors.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-09-29 10:17:33

Is there any way the fees required could be weighted according to the % of toxic assets carried?

 
 
Comment by mariner22
2009-09-29 11:59:35

Brilliant - it is like getting a dying person to pay up several years of life insurance premiums, no?

Comment by Watching the Carnage
2009-09-29 19:33:06

HaHaHa - Dead On

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-29 04:10:42

Sept. 29 (Bloomberg) — Former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker said the rise of China and other emerging economies has underscored a decline in the comparative economic and intellectual leadership of the U.S.

“I don’t know how we accommodate ourselves to it,” Volcker, an economic adviser to President Barack Obama, said in an interview with PBS’s Charlie Rose taped yesterday in New York. “You cannot be dependent upon these countries for three to four trillion dollars of your debt and think that they’re going to be passive observers of whatever you do.”

The former Fed chairman also said unemployment at 9.7 percent will slow the pace of recovery from the U.S. recession as consumers default on mortgages and consumer loans. Moreover, commercial real estate loans are likely to cause further losses for lenders.

“This recovery will be slower,” he said. “We can’t just pump up consumption and pump up housing again.”

Group of 20 leaders, meeting in Pittsburgh last week, announced plans for more durable economic growth, including reducing U.S. dependence on overseas capital and cutting the reliance of emerging nations such as China on exports.

World leaders decided that the G-20, which includes emerging economies such as China and Brazil, will replace the Group of Eight as the main forum for global economic coordination. The shift illustrates how the excesses that led to the financial crisis have compelled industrial nations to share governance of the world economy.

Less Dominant

The growth of emerging economies is “symbolic of the relative, less dominant position the United States has, not just in the economy but in leadership, intellectual and otherwise,” Volcker said.

Comment by palmetto
2009-09-29 06:35:05

“I don’t know how we accommodate ourselves to it,” Volcker, an economic adviser to President Barack Obama, said in an interview with PBS’s Charlie Rose taped yesterday in New York. “You cannot be dependent upon these countries for three to four trillion dollars of your debt and think that they’re going to be passive observers of whatever you do.”

Repudiate the debt. That’s what we do. It’s a silly system anyway. What’re they gonna do? Threaten to cut off shipments of drywall?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 06:43:49

“Repudiate the debt. That’s what we do.”

Slap on all kinds of US taxpayer-backed guarantees and promise to raise interest rates as soon as necessary to stem inflation, in order
to reassure foreign creditors we are good for the money. That’s what we did.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-09-29 07:24:18

Does anyone really think the Chinese are as stupid as Geithner tells us they are? Or is it possible that Timmy is a complete moron.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 15:31:03

Does anyone really think the Chinese are as stupid as Geithner tells us they are?

Nobody could be as stupid as Geithner tells us they are.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 15:34:39

Nobody could be as stupid as Geithner tells us they are.

Why, when I sometimes turn on the news at night and plunk myself down on my couch, right away I can hear the various amoebas and bacilli in my intestines start to laugh and scoff and make rude comments when Geithner comes on. He’s lost that much cred. Not even bacteria believe him anymore.

 
 
 
Comment by Skip
2009-09-29 07:35:23

Don’t forget the lead painted toys that won’t be there for Christmas.

 
Comment by ronpaul
2009-09-29 09:25:03

“Repudiate the debt”.

It will still hurt us more than it hurts china.
Enter banana republic……

Comment by Banana Republic
2009-09-29 15:28:14

Okay I entered. Now what?

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Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-09-29 12:24:59

intellectual leadership = oxymoron

 
 
Comment by salinasron
2009-09-29 04:23:31

RV sales increasing? “Industry officials attribute the rebound to improved credit for dealers and consumers, low dealer inventories and stable gas prices. The big driver is rising buyer sentiment, which could augur more robust retail sales than predicted.

“It would suggest the worst of the (stock market) decline seems to be over, and the consumer is in a position to come back,” says Indiana economist Morton Marcus, who studies the RV market.”

Could it be displaced or retiring populace are going gypsy because they can’t afford a house or to be stuck in a high priced, low job area?

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-09-29 04:40:23

Or could it be that demand for new RVs dropped as used RVs flooded the market, and now that most everyone that had a RV and would sell it has already done so, there are fewer used RVs available to purchase?

Also, could it be as credit gets tight, getting a loan on a used RV becomes more difficult and the “how-much-a-month” crowd is forced to purchase new because that is the only way they can get financing.

Perhaps it has nothing to do with the stock market or gas prices and rather…I don’t know…insignificant statistical blips in the margin of error as sales approach zero?

Comment by Best Wishes
2009-09-29 05:34:34

I don’t know but we’ve noticed a lot of used RV’s for sale here in southeastern Connecticut. Never seem so many RV’s for sale.

Comment by scdave
2009-09-29 07:47:36

There are used RV’s everywhere for sale…The supply of “new” RV’s is down due to production cut backs just like vehicles…

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Comment by goirishgohoosiers
2009-09-29 05:48:00

Most likely it’s just a statistical blip. Elkhart County, the epicenter of the RV industry, had the highest unemployment rate in the country back in February. Nobody, absolutely nobody, was buying those things at the end of last year and early this year. If sales go up from essentially zero, then any increase is going to look great in percentage terms and everyone will predict the return of good times.

Just wait until gas goes back to $4/gal, or the next leg down of the recession and then sales will go back to nothing. Elkhart’s unemployment rate will return to >20%. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Slightly OT: Many have commented here about the quality of bubble era residential construction. Just about every horror story you’ve read about drunk/high/incompetent builders gets magnified by a multiple of about 3X when you’re talking about RV construction quality. My personal favorite came from about 4 years ago when the cops raided a plant looking for meth at a plant (it was being dealt/consumed in the employee parking lots before, during and after shifts). About 1/3 of the employees on that particular shift tested positive for meth. Most people around here were shocked: the level seemed much too low.

Comment by DinOR
2009-09-29 07:18:49

goirish,

Exactly, asking an eCONomist from IN about the health of the RV Industry is like asking Lereah about plateaus?

Ahem, enter firestorm:

Are these the “dedicated” employees we’re so eager to see keep their jobs/benefits ( regardless of demand for their product? ) Again, I just think this speaks volumes about how low expectations are for the worker in this country. Free Healthcare for crackheads!

We all realize CEO pay is out of whack but two wrongs…

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Comment by Skip
2009-09-29 07:38:38

I would have thought meth increased the productivity of workers.

Wasn’t it used by Germany during WWII for that reason?

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Comment by scdave
2009-09-29 07:51:38

used by Germany during WWII for that reason

Yep…And what about amphetamine for our pilots ??

 
Comment by Skip
2009-09-29 08:11:40

Ritalin is an amphetamine very commonly used in many schools across the US.

Makes you wonder why that stuff is illegal if so many people can use it with no long term effects(not meth of course, that makes your teeth fall out).

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-09-29 08:32:08

Yeah, it works for “awhile”. Originally introduced for bomber crews on long 12 hour flights. Long term..?

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 09:31:37

Ritalin is an amphetamine very commonly used in many schools across the US.
Makes you wonder why that stuff is illegal if so many people can use it with no long term effects(not meth of course, that makes your teeth fall out).

I was diagnosed with ADHD* in grade school and sometimes took Ritalin. Then I stopped taking it when I became a teen and then a nominal adult because people once thought you ‘grew out of it’. But then my doctor told me that regular adult women don’t consume 4,000 calories a day or drive to Mexico to get spoons or go jogging in their sleep**, and that I should consider taking Ritalin again, but just a very low dose since I appeared to be ‘high-functioning’***.
I opened my mouth and said ‘That’s the silliest thing I ever heard, that’s just…Hey, look! I see a moth!’

Sigh. This is a true story.

So anyway, I was given a Ritalin prescription.
But then I lost it. Too bad, huh?
But my point is…Hey, look! I see a moth!….

:lol: :lol:

*what a surprise, huh? Hahahaahah!
**what IS this ’sleep’ thing of which he spoke?
***’High-functioning’? Baybee, it would be hard to get higher.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-09-29 10:16:41

Are you trying to tel us in a funny way you are like um…f…a…t…?

Or do you consume 4000 calories and then “see a moth” and forget to eat for 2 days?
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adult women don’t consume 4,000 calories a day

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 10:37:32

One of the big dirty secrets……teachers and school administrators across the country apply this ADHD label to about every overactive kid in the country, because they find doped-up kids easier to control.

A lot of parents fell into line, because they have overblown fears about their little darlings being kidnapped, and they would rather have a doped-up kid sit quietly in front of the television, than one bouncing against the walls, desperate to get outside.

(Sounding like an old guy again….) Back in my day, teachers were either older women, or WWII and Korean veterans, who didn’t take no crap off nobody………didn’t see my first twenty-something teacher until I was in 8th-9th grade. Now, a lot of the teachers are not that much older than their students, and don’t scare/intimidate anyone. So now they have a discipline problem. It’s easier for the schools to deal with a discipline problem by using a self generated medical condition to dope kids up, than it is to actually discipline anyone.

They wanted us to medicate our two youngest daughters for that very reason………yeah, they have both been “discipline problems” from time to time. Mainly because they have been taught that a lot of adults don’t know what the hell they are talking about.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2009-09-29 11:38:43

I think there’s a correlation between banning corporal punishment and discipline. Back in the day, you got swatted on your hand with a ruler and no-one thought anything of it. Today, there’s such a backlash against any form of punishment, some kids run wild and many thoroughly intimidate their teachers.

 
Comment by tresho
2009-09-29 11:45:34

Back in my day, teachers were either older women, or WWII and Korean veterans, who didn’t take no crap off nobody This issue is more complicated than it looks. I have read several interviews with veteran teachers that fit in this category, and who were still teaching when ADHD & Ritalin became part of the Zeitgeist back in the 1970’s. They noticed a subset of kids they had never noticed before, super-active and resistant to any form of mental or physical discipline (the kind I believe you are referring to) short of strait jackets or putting them in a soundproofed cage (the kind of discipline you are not referring to). Ritalin really worked for them, made an amazing difference in their behavior. Gradually it became a panacea for any behavior problem the next generations of teachers didn’t like.

 
Comment by tresho
2009-09-29 11:49:07

there’s such a backlash against any form of punishment, some kids run wild and many thoroughly intimidate their teachers. That’s part of the problem. Another important part is the ‘mainstreaming’ movement, where kids who would have been institutionalized in the 1940’s for severe physical & mental problems are now put in public school classrooms. This produces a special kind of learning environment.

 
Comment by tresho
2009-09-29 12:02:41

adult women don’t consume 4,000 calories a day
Where is this ‘truth’ documented? Adult women who burn 5000 calories a day will lose weight if all they eat is 4000 calories/day. A 10-hour hike for a 110-pounder will burn 3000 calories (by one online calculator), and I think that is a gross underestimate, when I think back to the 10-hour hikes I did when I was 25.

 
Comment by tresho
2009-09-29 12:12:02

I was diagnosed with ADHD* in grade school and sometimes took Ritalin. I’ve been enjoying your posts here for a couple of years now & this revelation is no surprise at all to me. How you are able to jog in your sleep without hurting yourself, now that is interesting to contemplate. On the rare occasions when you do sleep, have you ever awakened covered with salty sand and surrounded by geoduck shell fragments?

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 15:28:49

(adult women don’t consume 4,000 calories a day….)

Where is this ‘truth’ documented? Adult women who burn 5000 calories a day will lose weight if all they eat is 4000 calories/day. A 10-hour hike for a 110-pounder will burn 3000 calories (by one online calculator), and I think that is a gross underestimate, when I think back to the 10-hour hikes I did when I was 25.

He meant ‘regular’ adult women. Apparently ‘regular’ adult women don’t spend their days ravenously eating everything they can see, especially Cheetos, and arguing with everything they see, right before they eat it, and then go out on a 10 hour hike. I weigh 127 pounds right now, and if I went on a 10 minute hike I would be compelled to eat a fellow hiker at the end of the arduous trek. Like to the mailbox.

…You know what, forget what I was going to say. Right now I only want to hear about these 10 hour hikes of yours. Tell us! Where was it? What did you find at the end?

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 15:42:55

On the rare occasions when you do sleep, have you ever awakened covered with salty sand and surrounded by geoduck shell fragments?

Sand and salt, yes. Geoduck bits, no. Evidently I don’t like to swim 15 feet down in the cold, dark, churning sea and then dig out funny looking clams when my brain is switched off.
So thanks for something, ya dumb-ass sleeping Oly-brain! Serious, if I could, I would fire my sleeping brain and get like, I don’t know….a can of corned beef or something.

…Hey, wait just a minute!

& this revelation is no surprise at all to me.

Hmmmm! I’m not going to ask for an explanation of this comment, because I bet it would make me annoyed somehow. :lol:

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 16:02:10

*ea*t t*he neig*hbor! *

 
 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-09-29 04:41:12

What type of RV? Lots of new floor plans in the mini’s and small towable segment ranging from the cutesy to the absurd to functional. Perspective is the missing information in your post. Just like the owner of the local RV park we frequent stated one weekend in July this year…. “This is our busiest weekend in history”. He then stated that it was tent campers who drove the occupancy rate over the top.

That’s right…. tent campers not RV’s.

Comment by oxide
2009-09-29 06:13:29

Oooh, new floor plans. You all know I’m a floor plan connoisieur, and RV designers are the best in sq ft efficiency. Must. go. look…

 
Comment by scdave
2009-09-29 07:55:22

The new towable toy haulers are pretty efficient…I just saw one camped next to me this past week…21 foot, hauled three toys, sleeps four-six…Pretty nice I thought…

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-09-29 04:57:08

Looks like everyone and their brother is latching onto the stock market rally meme. The boyz must be pleased.

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-09-29 05:27:37

Bingo. How many people buying *anything* consumable such as a RV even look at the stock market before jumping? Given the *overall* level of savings of Boomers in 401(k) accounts - and any equity account in general - does anyone honestly think the rise of the stock market has anything to do with anything Boomers do?

I recall reading in 2007 that the average Boomer had $70,000 in retirement savings, and in very agressive funds. That account is likely at $45,000 now, and was at $35,000. Would you look at that $10,000 recovery and think you could afford a new RV when you’re underwater on your house and have no other retirement savings?

(Dumb question, I know. Of course the average Boomer or any other generation would.)

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-09-29 06:00:00

From the March 9 low to September 9, the Dow went up 45.8%, the S&P 500 went up 52.7% and the NASDAQ went up 62.4%.

I presume no one here was stupid enough to get off the elevator when it reached the basement in March.

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Comment by michael
2009-09-29 07:11:01

i’m just glad i wasn’t stupid enough to get in at 14K.

 
Comment by chilidoggg
2009-09-29 09:09:30

Actually, I was pretty smart to get off the “other” elevator at the top/intermission in March. Since then, I keep stumbling every couple of stairs. Thank goodness for stop limits.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-09-29 12:00:26

I bought 1700 shares of my company stock at $2 in March. Now it’s trading over $6.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-09-29 12:02:25

I recovered in my VEIEX, VISGX, and VWESX this year. If I put all that money in at the beginning of January, I’d still be in the red. But I dollar-cost-averaged. Got a whole bunch more shares than I otherwise would have.

And you comedians say you can time the market, so who needs dollar cost averaging?

 
Comment by tresho
2009-09-29 12:16:05

And you comedians say you can time the market, so who needs dollar cost averaging? Dollar-cost-averaging has far more comedic potential in these times than market-timing.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2009-09-29 08:05:34

you could afford a new RV ??

Just spent 4 days last months with some friends RVing…They have both just retired 54 & 53 respectively…Sold their home here and purchased in Reno Nevada @ 25 cents on the dolar vs. what they sold for, banked the remainder of the money plus no State income tax on their pensions which gave them roughly a 10% boost in their net monthly income…
Purchased a beautiful fifth wheel and will spend time traveling, living in Reno during the good weather days and when they want to come visit friends and family they will park at the local Elks Lodge…They got it made in the shade…

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Comment by oxide
2009-09-29 08:20:40

Is this $70K average or median? It wouldn’t surprise me if the curve is bimodal, with retiring super-rich and retiring people who will live on SS.

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Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-09-29 12:48:33

I just posted on ahansen’s post about my new RV, a 17 foot Casita. The factory has a 4 month backlog of orders. I placed my order 2 months ago and will get it in a month.

Check out Casitaclub dot com for a Casita forum and for-sale listings, people post their rigs and they sell sometimes in hours. People love these because they’re well built and cheap/easy to heat/cool and pull. Very economic. A new one goes for 11k, but that’s the smaller ones, I paid 16k for mine with lots of upgrades. For a full-time house, not bad.

Since I intend to boondock (dry camp, not stay in campgrounds), I foresee living really cheaply, won’t be using much gas, either, as I intend to stay put in one place for several weeks. Where I’m going there’s NOBODY, even the BLM (Bureau of Lost Minds) doesn’t patrol in the badlands of Utah.

I’m going to name my rig “Desert Solitaire.”

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-09-29 15:25:58

Jackson Bentley: “What interests you most about the desert?”

T.E. Lawrence: “It’s very clean.”

 
 
Comment by cereal
2009-09-29 16:29:10

If I was single I would buy a nice RV and live in it.

How about a Lance on a 350. And I’d have a Honda Trail 90 for scooting around and such.

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Comment by salinasron
2009-09-29 04:26:24

From yesterday: CA-ians are paying on average 0.57 cents more per gallon of gas because of mandated blending. Gas here in Salinas has been $3.09 a gallon but just yesterday after the news hit it was lowered to $2.97.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-09-29 06:03:57

0.57 cents is just over half a penny. Or do they mean $0.57 which would be fifty-seven cents?

Comment by arizonadude
2009-09-29 06:48:54

I thought we were running out of oil? Got to keep the air clean you know.i wonder how much gas costs in china?

Comment by MrBubble
2009-09-29 07:06:29

Don’t, OK? Just don’t. There are the equivalent of three trillion bbl of oil. We have used one triilion which has helped to befoul the air and cause a ~3 ppm per year rise in carbon dioxide. The next triilion will be harder to obtain and further degrade the atmosphere.

Let’s lead instead of follow.

MrBubble

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-09-29 04:53:01

It’s about the incomes stoopid!

According to the U.S. Census median household income in my state (IL) dropped from $60,203 in 2000 to $56,235 in 2008.

In that same period the housing stock that I follow (urban condos) has doubled and tripled in price. Heck, in my tier alone prices went from ~$42,000 in 1999 to ~$125,000 in 2007!

Yeah, no bubble in the Midwest, no bubble at all. Good luck levitating those prices in an environment of falling wages you DC stooges!

Comment by In Colorado
2009-09-29 08:23:40

Here in the Centennial state we have been told that incomes rose nominally. When adjusted for inflation we are still way down. They also tell us that unemployment is under 8%, while people scramble for $10/hr part time jobs that are almost nonexistent.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-09-29 08:38:59

In that same period the housing stock that I follow (urban condos) has doubled and tripled in price. Heck, in my tier alone prices went from ~$42,000 in 1999 to ~$125,000 in 2007!

We know how well the condo market is doing these days — I look forward to seeing that $42K figure again in a few years. Now let’s get those bungalow prices down in places besides the edge neighborhoods.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-09-29 09:36:10

Must print more money! If we can get wages to go to $0 and housing prices to go to infinity, than everyone can be rich without working. There can’t be a problem with that, right?

 
Comment by Cowtown
2009-09-29 10:40:50

Kansas median income up 1.7% YoY. Meantime, Hawker Beechcraft announces another 240 layoffs, bringing the total to about 3500 YoY.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 11:14:43

As many wrong/misguided/poorly executed decisions as Hawker-Beech has made over the past 20 years, it’s amazing to me that they are still in business.

If it wasn’t for the King Airs, they’d have been out of business five years ago.

Comment by Cowtown
2009-09-29 13:28:07

They also have the JPATS contract, which should keep them around a while longer.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 15:25:52

When I was at Chez-na, we always found it amazing that these government contracts seemed to fall out of the sky anytime that Beechcraft/Raytheon/Hawker Beech got into trouble on the commercial side.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-09-29 05:04:45

One instance of the denial breaking down-

A REIC believing carpenter (wise and full of common sense, missing some analytical skills) I’ve conversed with for a year now said yesterday, “yea…. $100k houses in 2000 going for $300k in 2005? Something is definitely wrong”.

This tells me the market must be falling apart back in his neck of the woods (Binghamton).

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-09-29 05:05:08

Here is some good news

School is 100% over capacity and students are desperate to get in:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/29/nyregion/29crowded.html?hpw

Like DUH….maybe they demand high standards…ya think?

Wouldn’t that be a good role model for our teachers unions?

Comment by Kim
2009-09-29 08:48:42

Wow… that’s insane. It says a lot about the job the principal and teachers are doing, but I can’t imagine sending my child there. From reading the comments I gather that its always been a very, very large school, though.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-09-29 05:07:44

The “recoveryless recovery” continues…

 
Comment by HB
2009-09-29 05:31:05

Hello all-
I don’t see any drops in the stock market. Just looked at China and India and their stocks are also at pretty high. My question is where do I park the money. RE may take 2-3 more years to settle down. Stocks seem overvalued. Banks don’t give anything in interest.

Now people are talking about dollar being crushed. Is our cash going to be worthless or worth less.

HB

Comment by yensoy
2009-09-29 06:01:45

Wealth Preservation is the new mantra. Be happy if the real value of your holdings doesn’t fall by much over the next 5-10 years.

 
Comment by arizonadude
2009-09-29 06:54:47

What about preferred stock, corporate bonds, munis or a dividend yielding stock such as KFT?

Stay away from gold and treasuries imo.

Comment by Michael Fink
2009-09-29 07:52:26

I’m holding KFT (and a few other dividend payers) and munis (through HYD and other ETFs) as the majority of my portfolio currently. So, I’d have to agree with you, that’s IMHO, the right place to park money today. Stay away from anything banking/finance related (actually the entire FIRE sector(s) are probably dead for the next decade), and stick with companies that actually produce things that people want. I just bought some MO today, and am trying to get into companies that have real business plans. However, I have NO doubt that I stand a good chance of getting creamed (short/medium term), you have to be ready to lose a chunk of money playing these markets today. I think that it will come back (primarily because of inflation), but don’t think that anyone has a clue where the market will be next month.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 11:21:06

“people want” should be = “people need”.

People “want” all kinds of stuff.

But if the rest of the country is like what I’m seeing locally (anything associated with government doing okay, but the civilian/private economy visibly withering on the vine), people are having trouble paying for their “needs”; the “want” stuff is totally off the radar.

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Comment by palmetto
2009-09-29 05:35:15

The Mortgage Machine backfires! Apologies if this has been posted before, but it’s a fascinating turn of events. I had no idea about this registration/loan tracking system. And whaddya know? It’s privately owned!

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/27/business/27gret.html?_r=1

Comment by DennisN
2009-09-29 08:05:16

The Times has posted an interesting article about MERS, with cute graphics, before.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/24/business/24mers.html?_r=1

Dr. Housing Bubble Blog discussed the article on Sept. 24th.

 
Comment by Kim
2009-09-29 09:35:46

Good article. It cleared some things up that I didn’t understand about the ruling. I was getting the impression that a lot of FBs are hoping this will be grounds to eliminate their mortgages and give them their house free. Not so. The FB in this case had already declared bankruptcy and was more or less out of the picture. There were proceeds left over from the sheriff sale of his house that should have gone to the second mortgage holder, but since the records weren’t clear, instead they went to the FB, who likely had to turn the excess over to the bankruptcy court to pay his other creditors.

Bottom line is that recorders offices in Kansas are about to get slammed as second lienholders hurry to get their claims re-recorded.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-09-29 10:38:29

It’s odd that these people - who have access to legal counsel - would go off and think they could avoid the old-fashioned way of recording liens on property. There’s even a body of law about how some jurisdictions have “race” or “notice” statutes about the recording of liens. This has to do with the enforcement of interests in property when there’s a conflict, e.g. crooked seller sells his house to two different buyers, giving them both a deed.

It’s pretty settled law about recording interests in property. Interests in real estate get recorded at the county recorder’s office. Security interests in personal property (e.g. auto loan liens) tend to be recorded at various state offices. Titles and security interests in patents are recorded at the US Patent and Trademark Office. And so on.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 12:29:14

Basically, they couldn’t be troubled with doing all that paperwork in all those county courthouses, so they decided to bypass the system, and invented MERS.

It worked fine, until it didn’t……..

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-09-29 05:35:29

I lived in Mt Pleasant SC..

http://www.postandcourier.com/news/2009/sep/29/nations-best/

Everyone but Beckham knew the real reason for the gathering — the announcement that she had won the 2010 National High School Principal of the Year award from the National Association of Secondary School Principals.

Wando High School with an enrollment of more than 3000 students is located on a 100 acre campus in Mount Pleasant,South Carolina. Wando High School serves studentsin grades 9 - 12 with a comprehensive academic programoffering more than 250 courses. Thirty-nine percent ofthe student body is identified as gifted and talented.

The student population is approximately 76% White, 19% African-American, 2% Hispanic,and 3% other. The average student teacher ratio
is 23:1.

Instead of a 16 year old on 2 year probation, and arrested for the murder of darrion Albert in Chicago

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/derrion.albert.investigation.2.1212436.html

Comment by palmetto
2009-09-29 06:22:32

“I moved away from Chicago just because this here. So, I wish he could have came with me,” Avery Wingard said.”

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-09-29 06:38:48

That oughta look good on a Power Point presentation by the president, shilling Chicago to the Olympic officials in Denmark.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-09-29 07:11:13

Anything to keep those ding-dang Olympics outta here, man.

Comment by Kim
2009-09-29 08:30:49

I get the impression that the only locals who want the Olympics in Chicago are developers with connections to certain Chicago politicos and celebrities.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-09-29 07:29:30

Go Rio!

Comment by palmetto
2009-09-29 07:53:37

Amen, brothah! Rio is actually a foregone conclusion, anyway. That’s where it’s gonna be and thank Jeebus for it. The Olympukes became a joke to me after they went to China. Which is a shame, for those competitors who train so hard, with an ideal in mind. That ideal is gone. Another side effect of globalism is that the Olympukes are now just another tawdry, corrupt corporate-sponsored event.

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Comment by Skip
2009-09-29 08:13:25

Just now?

The Olympic committee has been corrupt for many many years now.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-09-29 08:35:44

I lost all interest in the Olympic games decades ago. I’d rather watch the World Cup.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 09:45:58

Just now?
The Olympic committee has been corrupt for many many years now.

Testify!

I still lived in Utarr when it was revealed that the winter games came there in part because of bribery. Yes! You heard me! Craven, filthy, underhanded, immoral BRIBERY! BRIBERRRRRRYYYYYYYYY………

* appalled gasp! *

Right there…there…in the Land of Jeebus! Righteousness Central! Why, ol’ Briggie Young musta been twirling in his grave like a wind turbine!

Hahahaaha!
Boy, I enjoyed it when that news broke. I’m fairly relaxed about spiritual imperfections of many sorts (mostly because I enjoy so many vices myself and am not in a position to cast figurative stones), but one thing I absolutely cannot abide is hypocrisy. It makes me ape-p00p crazy.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2009-09-29 09:48:57

Craven, filthy, underhanded, BRIBERY! BRIBERRRRRRYYYYYYYYY………

So what you’re sayin’ is that…. Rio still has a chance……. :-)

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 11:47:58

:lol:

Hooray!

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2009-09-29 09:00:03

I hope Rio gets it too and not just because I live there. Although FAR from perfect, the advancement Brazil has made the past 10 years is astounding.

1. Their banking system is being looked at as a world-class model of responsibility.

2. Millions are joining the middle class. Millions are emerging from poverty and their wealth gap is decreasing.

3. They did not experience reckless financing in the housing market either.

If you’re interested, please see my lengthy post below for sources and proofs. (If it posts… it has about 15 tiny urls)

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Comment by ronpaul
2009-09-29 09:35:55

No, Chicago will get it…

It’s a foregone conclusion. Obama knows Chicago’s getting it and wants to take a credit for that. If it was so close, he would not stick his neck out. As you know he’s not a risk taker.

It would be hard for the international elite to reject Obama after telling Americans to elect him….

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-09-29 10:09:33

You make good points, let’s hope the I.O.C. realizes them too.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2009-09-29 05:45:49

Merger and acquisition news. I’ll post links in a moment.

Reuters reports that the FTC is thinking of taking a harder line on trustbusting. The HHI is a formula which determines if market share is too dominated by too few companies.

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By Diane Bartz. WASHINGTON, Sept 22, [updated yesterday] (Reuters) - U.S. antitrust enforcers plan to revamp merger guidelines, amid expectations that the Obama administration will give corporate combinations a tougher review…

The corporate community has been bracing for the Obama administration to be tougher than its Republican predecessor in assessing mergers and the actions of companies that dominate their markets…

In her remarks to the conference, Christine Varney, assistant attorney general in charge of the department’s Antitrust Division, seemed interested in the re-adoption of the Herfindahl-Hirschman Index, or HHI, a way to calculate a market’s concentration. HHI has not been used in years, she said.

David Balto, a former FTC policy director, said the re-adoption of HHI could mean regulators would challenge a lot more mergers.
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Then last night on PBS Nightly Business Report, I heard this:

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Monday, September 28, 2009 SUSIE GHARIB: A flurry of mergers and deals today from some of the nation’s largest companies. Xerox, Abbott Labs, Johnson & Johnson and others announced transactions totally over $13 billion.
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Rumors of new trustbusting followed by a “flurry” of mergers. Co-inky-dink? I think not.

NBR Susie also interviewed the new CEO of Xerox:
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GHARIB: As companies become more vertically integrated from hardware to software to services, does this create new conflicts and new issues for your customers? How are you going to address that?

BURNS: Actually, our customers — we don’t think that actually creates conflict at all. It actually helps them to be a — to go to one person. We call it sometimes one throat to choke. They can come to one person and get a whole vertical slice of a business taken care of, but most of the solutions’ complexity comes in when you try to do a solution on a horizontal basis.
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Ms. Burns didn’t say “one stop shopping.” She said “one throat to choke.” True colors shining through. And she as much admitted that she is aiming for a vertical monopoly.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-09-29 07:31:23

oxide,

Me thinks your bias is showing a little? Actually it means when you’re the c-u-s-t-o-m-e-r and you’re ticked off you only have to go after and “choke” (1) vendor!

Chill. Personally, after a decade or so of mergers that -didn’t- make sense, it’s actually reassuring to see these CEO’s realize that having a relationship with your customers ’still’ matters. In fact I think this only shows that it never stopped mattering? You need to learn a little more about who ACS ( is and what they do before you go off the deep end ) IMHO.

Comment by oxide
2009-09-29 08:34:03

Oh, I know my bias is showing. And wait, I misunderstood. It’s the customer that does the choking, not the company. oops, my bad. :sad:

I’m not against one-stop shopping. When I posted this, I wondered if vertical monopolies were really such a bad thing. You could conceivably have companies pit their total service packages against each other.

I just checked ACS on Wiki…erm, I’m not liking the sound of it. I wonder what Xerox wants with them.

Comment by Al
2009-09-29 09:39:26

The danger with vertical integration is you trap yourself into using one supplier or having one customer. If a unit becomes inefficient, it’s drags at the whole company and it’s hard to switch. The upside is you can make direct changes to a troubled unit instead of having to forge a new business relationship.

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Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-09-29 06:10:25

The Government is the Mortgage Market
by Michael Pento, Delta Global Advisors, Inc. September 28, 2009

The Wall Street Journal reported that the FHA’s reserve fund dropped from 6.4% in 2007 to about 3% today, putting it dangerously close to its mandated 2% minimum. And according to The Washington Post, nearly 90% of all new home loans are funded by the taxpayer up from 30% just four years ago.

So what have we learned from relying upon; The Community Reinvestment act, Congress, White House, FED, FHA, GSEs, Ginnie Mae, VA…etc.? The answer is how to better manipulate the real estate market while placing the tax payers further in jeopardy. Not only are we on the hook for a staggering amount of government mortgage guarantees, but the taxpayers are also expected to live up to their pledge to back the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC), which will now be responsible for bailing out banks whose FHA-MBS have become a bigger portion of their assets.

The linchpin for the economy and the stock market is real estate values. If they continue to drop, banks will fail at an even greater rate and there can be no healing for the consumer either. But the government now has an increased interest in propping up home prices because they own or guarantee a significant portion of real estate-based investments.

This makes the exit strategy for the Fed in removing excess liquidity extremely difficult and greatly conflicted. Here is what Fed Governor Kevin Warsh said in a September 25th Wall Street Journal opinion piece, “Nonetheless, I would hazard the view that prudent risk management indicates that policy likely will need to begin normalization before it is obvious that it is necessary, possibly with greater force than is customary, and taking proper account of the policies being instituted by other authorities.” However if they actually raised interest rates aggressively, it would severely erode the value of those MBS held by the Fed while greatly increasing the costs associated with owning a home. Concurrently, it would also dampen the demand for real estate purchases.

The result would be; increased rate of bank failures, a lower stock market, lower home prices, higher unemployment rates and another severe recession—which will most likely be much worse than one we are hopefully coming out of. Given that scenario, one has to ask themselves how credible and politically palatable such a strategy of aggressive interest rate hikes really can be.

But the greater question that needs to be asked and answered is why the government believes the rate of real estate ownership needs to be controlled in the first place? While it may be true that home ownership makes for a better community, it remains out of reach for a certain percentage of individuals. By forcing ownership on those who cannot afford a home, government creates distortions and imbalances that cause huge dislocations in the economy.

It is up to the market to decide the percentage of people who should rent and those who should buy. It is the market who is the arbiter for how much capital should be allocated to real estate.

Meanwhile, if the government still feels compelled to control markets, why not seek to boost the productive capacity of our economy and rebuild the country’s manufacturing base. Instead of backing policies that simply reward more consumption and debt.

Comment by Wolf
2009-09-29 06:41:01

The manufacturing base. That’s the key right there. The solid foundation to robust economy. Unless that’s rebuilt we’re doomed.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-09-29 06:50:49

why not seek to boost the productive capacity of our economy and rebuild the country’s manufacturing base?

But the government *did* do that, when they saved GM and when they passed the Stimulus package. And still conservatives whined and moaned about “deficit spending” and “government takeover.”

It was Wall Street — clamoring for more more more juicy MBS fees — and the NAR — clamoring for more 6% commissions — who “forced ownership on those who do not want to own a home.” It was NOT CYA, which had been quietly working just fine for 30 years until it suddenly become the right’s favorite whipping boy along with Acorn.

And it was Hanky Panky Paulson who controlled markets by force-feeding Merrill to BoA and demanding that TARP be given to him with no strings whatsoever.

These types of columns really tire me out.

Comment by DinOR
2009-09-29 07:38:03

oxide,

No, actually it was -investors- that were yield starved after the Fed took the FFR to 1% and mmkt. ylds. were .58% that created the demand for MBS paper.

And of course, WS was only too happy to service it.

Comment by oxide
2009-09-29 08:35:41

Not this investor. I tried to avoid picking stuff with suspiciously high returns, thinking it was too good to be true.

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-09-29 09:51:44

Right, right… it’s all the fault of the “right.” Good thing O-man didn’t pass a Bailout on his watch - oh, he did. Well, good thing Turbo Tax Cheat Timmy is far more honest than Hanky Panky Paulson. Oh, wait - he’s not. Well, then at least when we got a new president, we replaced most of the crooks… except we didn’t.

Both parties are crooks, and just because one side isn’t perfect does not justify the actions of the other side (ACORN, etc.)

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-09-29 10:39:25

why not seek to boost the productive capacity of our economy and rebuild the country’s manufacturing base?

But the government *did* do that, when they saved GM and when they passed the Stimulus package. “And still conservatives whined and moaned about “deficit spending” and “government takeover.”

The Wooden Arrow Bailout.

Senators attached a provision repealing a 39-cent excise tax on wooden arrows designed for children to a historic $700 billion financial-markets rescue that passed tonight by a vote of 74-25. The provision, originally proposed by Oregon senators Ron Wyden [D] and Gordon Smith [R], will save manufacturers such as Rose City Archery in Myrtle Point, Oregon, about $200,000 a year.

It’s one of dozens of tax breaks benefiting Hollywood producers, stock-car racetrack owners and Virgin Islands rum-makers included in the broader legislation in an effort to win support from House Republicans, whose defection contributed to a rejection of an earlier version of the legislation two days ago on a 228-205 vote.

 
 
 
Comment by eastcoaster
2009-09-29 06:19:17

Just let the homebuyer tax credit die
It didn’t help sales much and it’s just prolonging a real recovery

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33059733/

“Extending the credit and expanding its scope is a bad idea on multiple levels. For starters, let’s look at the program’s return on investment. According to the IRS, 1.4 million homes have been bought since the credit’s inception; the National Association of Realtors gives a somewhat higher figure of 1.8 million to 2 million. (Either way, the program is already going to cost about $15 billion if it winds down as planned, according to the Associated Press .) And yet, according to the NAR’s own math , the tax credit was the make-or-break factor in only 350,000 of those sales. The National Association of Homebuilders, another industry group lobbying to extend the credit, places this figure even lower, at 150,000 . In other words, the vast majority of homebuyers would have signed on the dotted line even without the government’s incentive.

At best, the homebuyer tax credit was a moderately effective crutch at a time when the residential real estate market needed it most. Take that crutch away come November and the market’s still going to limp for a while. But the alternative means prolonging that healing process and, ultimately, recovery.”

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 11:35:00

Nobody has convinced me yet that my idea of just giving everyone who filed a tax return last year $25K (or what the hell, we still have paper and ink, 50K) wouldn’t have been better than all these crap programs they are doing now.

My plan would have been fairer, would have paid for a lot of things we really need (like college tuition), and have spread the money across the economy, instead of those deemed worthy of support by the Federal Government. Along with “keeping people in their homes”, and a lot of other noble things.

 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2009-09-29 06:42:09

Just finished perusing the Dataquick August figures for Los Angeles and San Diego. Los Angeles is still outrageously overpriced. Looks like the only area approaching affordability is North Hollywood, other than the ‘hood. $1000 per square foot in Santa Monica. I would move - doesn’t look like the better neighborhoods will ever fall. Maybe there are too few of them.

San Diego numbers look more hopeful.

Comment by arizonadude
2009-09-29 06:52:00

I guess compton is out of the question? i heard you get a machine gun as part of escrow.

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-09-29 08:36:26

“Valley Village” and “Valley Glen” are the new euphemisms for parts of North Hollywood, Sherman Oaks, and east Van Nuys. Some of those areas have some nice enclaves of older homes, with great foliage and trees, but the demographics need a cleaning. The prices are still in the stratosphere, and gang activity is scary there. There are some really nice neighborhoods of one-story delights. Too bad.

*I grew up in NH. 1,000 Oaks (current hood) is heading down demographically too.

Comment by DennisN
2009-09-29 09:56:20

My dad was born in the town of Sherman back in the 1920’s.

Only after cutting down most of the oak trees there did they rename the town “Sherman Oaks”. ;)

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-09-29 10:27:12

Per the bumper sticker:
Suburbia: Where they cut down all the trees and then name streets after them.

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 15:48:50

That would be more funny if it wasn’t so d*mn true. Boo Hoooo!
…Haha, that makes me think of a horridly named development down in Tumwater. ‘Poet’s Cove’ subdivision…

Wha…?! Po…? Wha…?! There’s no poets, man! And there’s no cove, either!

I’m still thinking about that one. Thinking, and trying not to barf. Barf in short, manageable scansion…

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-09-29 19:26:22

I’ve posted this poem before.

The Golden Years
by Billy Collins

All I do these drawn-out days
is sit in my kitchen at Pheasant Ridge
where there are no pheasants to be seen
and last time I looked, no ridge.

I could drive over to Quail Falls
and spend the day there playing bridge,
but the lack of a falls and the absence of quail
would only remind me of Pheasant Ridge.

I know a widow at Fox Run
and another with a condo at Smokey Ledge.
One of them smokes, and neither can run,
so I’ll stick to the pledge I made to Midge.

Who frightened the fox and bulldozed the ledge?
I ask in my kitchen at Pheasant Ridge.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 06:48:40

Are developed country central banks in full cooperation now with respect to stock market stimulus? I only ask this because the big upside movements in even the so-called Global Dow now seem to occur in tandem with headline US stock index movements.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 07:26:53

If the stock market chart was a seismograph reading, I would say it just registered a large magnitude earthquake.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 07:04:16

One of the HBB’s favorite ‘experts’ tries his best to explain why the gubmint needs to intervene so heavily in the mortgage market. He promulgates the false notion that the lending market would shut down without government intervention, as banks are too scared to make loans at the moment.

Did it ever occur to Nick that the reason banks might have cold feet over making loans is that they don’t want to catch falling knife collateral? Let housing prices drop to a fundamentally affordable equilibrium, and private banks will magically become eager to start making loans again. Meanwhile, so long as home prices are artificially propped up by mortgage purchases and interest rate buydowns from the Fed, Dough-4-Dumps, federally guaranteed FHA and GSE loans, and myriad other government programs too numerous to list, the private lending sector will remain on the sidelines, and home prices will remain on a permanently overpriced plateau.

As to the notion that “fewer people would own homes,” I note that US foreclosures were occurring at over a 4m annualized rate this summer. Many of those cases involve the result of people encouraged to purchase homes they could not afford, no doubt in many cases thanks to the help of “affordable housing” programs like the one described in the article linked below.

Monday, September 28, 2009

Housing programs may get gov’t boost
Nicolas Retsinas

The White House is considering injecting $35 billion into state and local housing programs. Why? Housing economist Nicolas Retsinas talks with Kai Ryssdal.

RETSINAS: To put this in context, in the third quarter this year, 90 percent of all residential mortgages in the United States were touched by the government. Either insured, guaranteed, securitized. So this is just one more step where government de facto becomes the housing finance market of the United States.

Ryssdal: Well, let me ask you this then, as the government is pulling back on some of its other bailout mechanisms, the Federal Reserve, and TARP is being paid back, the government is still very heavily into the housing market is what you’re saying.

RETSINAS: Very much so. The Federal Reserve, for example, announced that it’s going to continue its purchase of mortgage-backed securities, which they’ve purchased over $800 billion so far, with a target of over $1.25 trillion, so they’re still very much involved. And the question would be if they weren’t involved what would happen in the housing market?

Ryssdal: Well one thing that might happen is that fewer people would own homes. Is that reasonable?

RETSINAS: Fewer people would own homes because credit would be tighter, the interest rate would be higher, down-payments requirements would be higher, all of which would lead to fewer perspective buyers. There are already too few buyers now for a functioning housing market in a country our size. This would further tighten those credit markets.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-09-29 09:56:25

“Ryssdal: Well one thing that might happen is that fewer people would own homes. Is that reasonable?”

Now, if they can just find a way to make sure that only the UNworthy own homes… *looks around at all the renters here* Well, look - “Mission Accomplished!”

Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-09-29 11:25:21

Can we make this an HBB bumper sticker?

“I’m too worthy to own a home.”

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-29 07:11:36

Connecticut’s Poverty-Rate Increase Led U.S. States Last Year

Sept. 29 (Bloomberg) — Connecticut led increases in poverty among eight U.S. states where rates rose in 2008, the first full year of the recession, a government report showed.

The proportion of Connecticut residents living in poverty rose by 1.4 percentage points to 9.3 percent, the Census Bureau said in a report released today in Washington. Florida and Hawaii were next with increases of 1.1 percentage points each, followed by California with a 0.9 point gain.

Connecticut’s proximity to Wall Street, the epicenter of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, contributed to the jump in poverty as spending cuts by bankers living in the suburbs of New York affected wage earners, said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution in Washington.

“People don’t go from being a CEO or a hedge fund manager into poverty, but there is a trickle-down effect when these groups of people start to cut back on their spending,” Frey said in an interview. “In many places, the first people to go when things get tight are the lowest-earning workers.”

California’s poverty rate last year rose to 13.3 percent, and Florida’s increased to 13.2 percent. In Hawaii, it rose to 9.1 percent. The other states with statistically significant increases in poverty rates were Indiana, Michigan, Oregon and Pennsylvania.

The credit crisis triggered by the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. has decimated employment on Wall Street.

New York City’s seasonably adjusted unemployment rate jumped to 10.3 percent in August, the highest since May 1993, according to the state Labor Department. The city has lost 40,300 jobs in the financial industry since August 2008, an 8.5 percent decline to 432,400 from 472,700.

Comment by WT Economist
2009-09-29 07:16:22

“Connecticut led increases in poverty among eight U.S. states where rates rose in 2008, the first full year of the recession, a government report showed.”

Poverty is based on income, not wealth. I’ll bet there are lots of people in Greenwich and Darien who had negative income last year.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-09-29 07:28:44

WT:

Lets not forget Wilton where the AIG “derivative traders” were located.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 07:23:52

“California’s poverty rate last year rose to 13.3 percent, and Florida’s increased to 13.2 percent. In Hawaii, it rose to 9.1 percent.”

Judging from the housing prices out here, I thought all Californians were rich.

Comment by exeter
2009-09-29 07:37:57

No that would be Hawaii. “All the rich people” want to live there according to my million dollar house owning brother.

Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-09-29 13:52:19

Hey Ex, have him call me. Been there done that, most of Hawaii (the part the tourists don’t see) is like a third world country.

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Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-09-29 10:14:07

Suspect Peter Schiff might have a tough time obtaining votes from the folks in poverty.

 
 
Comment by packman
2009-09-29 07:13:34

Question - has anyone seriously looked into the SRS class-action suit? I’m thinking about it, being that I was one that lost some money on it.

Normally I don’t like to take part in such things - but this appears to be a case where there may be real fraud. It appears the fund didn’t act like it should have at all, if it were based what it was advertised to be based on. Though I haven’t looked that deeply (yet).

I know there were others here that did the SRS thing - just wondering if anyone’s looked more deeply than I and can comment on the merit of it.

There are several different firms that have posted suits. (easy to find via google)

Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-09-29 10:21:34

Appears the class action suits are starting to target all Proshare funds. This could get interesting.

 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-09-29 07:16:36

If it gets through, this an archive from Automatic Earth that addresses a still curent, and salient point. I apologize for the length, but I don’t know how to tansfer a hyperlink.

Also, (politics) I am neither anything.

Simply want this country to get on the right track.

I jIlargi:

Dear Mr. President,

A funny thing happened to me today. I saw this headline in the Wall Street Journal: “Obama Creates Faith-Based Office”, and I thought: you can say that again, and in fact I often have said it. Then, of course, I read the article, and noted that it wasn‘t talking about the Oval Office -once again- following faith based policy and the ‘Change You Can Believe In’ slogan, but that you had created an actual institution that is supposed to address faith-based initiatives, the White House Office on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. In this context, I was amused to read these words from your July 1 ‘08 speech in Ohio:

I believe deeply in separation of church and state, but I don’t believe this partnership will endanger that idea, so long as we follow a few basic principles.
Sounds a bit as if you believe [sic] that faith-based policy initiatives, and that’s what we’re talking about here, don’t violate that separation. A sliding scale built in grey territory, I’m afraid. But then, I realize that in the US people risk being demonized for strictly applying this part of the constitution. The influence of religious leaders on American policies has been so strong for so long that the only options you have are to either change the constitution to have it accurately reflect reality, or to change your perception of reality in order to have it reflect the constitution.

Still, that’s not the reason why my initial reaction was: you can say that again. I thought that because I had read your op-ed piece in the Washington post earlier in the morning, which addresses the urgency you say there is about your recovery plan before Congress:

Because each day we wait to begin the work of turning our economy around, more people lose their jobs, their savings and their homes.
I’m confident you are fully aware that people will lose jobs, savings and homes regardless of your plan, even, that is, if it does work. But let’s focus on another point: What exactly do you mean when you talk about turning our economy around? Am I right to assume you mean getting back onto the same track it was on before? When everyone was borrowing money for cars, homes and toys? The economy that led to negative savings and enormous debts across the land? Or were you thinking of turning around back further in time? The past 8 years? Guess not, right? Nixon years: No. Bush 41: Nah. So Carter or Clinton? Eisenhower? Maybe not. What I mean to say is I suggest you stop using that “turnaround” phrase, it make little sense once you think about it. The country has to go forward, not turn around. And what lies ahead doesn’t seem to look like what was before, unless you want to look at the 1930’s.

And if nothing is done, this recession might linger for years. Our economy will lose 5 million more jobs. Unemployment will approach double digits. Our nation will sink deeper into a crisis that, at some point, we may not be able to reverse.
This recession “might” linger for years no matter what you do. And you know that, sir. If you seek for people to believe in you, saying believable things would be a good place to start from. 5 million jobs lost? There were 589.000 in December, and that number has yet to be revised, which will undoubtedly be upward. At the current rate, 5 million more jobs will be lost by about the end of summer, and 14.5 million over the next two years. And the rate is in all likelihood accelerating. While your plan would create just 3 million. If it works, that is. Jobless claims in January rose to 626.000.

Unemployment has already reached double digits, just look at U6 numbers. Another important point for that believability: get rid of all the cooked government numbers that keep on being showered upon the nation. It’s sort of surprising to see you write that the crisis at one point may no longer be reversible. There’s that idea of the turnaround again. You need to define these things much better, it’s all way too opaque, and you’re not helping yourself. It’s just feel good stuff. For you sir, from now on in, it all comes down to being believable. You’re not. Not if people pay attention.

Then I saw this comment on your article, from AP:

”…. economic stimulus legislation is growing larger by the day in the Senate, where the addition of a new tax break for homebuyers sent the price tag well past $900 billion. “It is time to fix housing first,” Sen. Johnny Isakson, R-Ga., said Wednesday night as the Senate agreed without controversy to add the new tax break to the stimulus measure, at an estimated cost of nearly $19 billion.

Isakson said the new tax break for homebuyers was intended to help revive the housing industry, which has virtually collapsed in the wake of a credit crisis that began last fall. The proposal would allow a tax credit of 10 percent of the value of new or existing residences, up to a $15,000 limit. Current law provides for a $7,500 tax break but only for first-time homebuyers. Isakson’s office said the proposal would cost the government an estimated $19 billion.”
Is this what you mean by turning around the economy? Is it a good idea to push people into mortgages for homes that are quickly losing value, so they can get underwater later this year or in 2010? Are we going to try to save the mortgage, banking and building industries by luring gullible Americans into debts they will not be able to repay? How would you define the lawful role of government in that process? Isn’t it true most independent analysts agree that average US home prices have much further to fall? That just about the only homes that sell are foreclosed ones? That many of the new homeowners this legislation seeks to create will lose their jobs in the near future? That it’s real bad government to willingly create debt traps for one’s own citizens?

Back to your letter:

“This plan is more than a prescription for short-term spending — it’s a strategy for America’s long-term growth and opportunity in areas such as renewable energy, health care and education.”
It’s time to let go of the fallacy of perpetual long term growth. It’s nothing but a harmful mirage which has visited deep and unlimited misery upon peoples and their habitats around the planet. It’s where faith-based systems do real harm.

And it’s a strategy that will be implemented with unprecedented transparency and accountability, so Americans know where their tax dollars are going and how they are being spent.
That one I’ll have to see to believe. So far, I find that impossible. Harry Markopolos yesterday in his testimony on the Securities and Exchange Commission and the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority stated he would give FINRA an “A+ for corruption”, for being in bed with the industry it’s supposed to regulate. He based that conclusion on the time when FINRA was headed by Mary Shapiro, your pick to now chair the SEC, an organization Markopolos accused of gross incompetence. This sort of thing is no longer an incident. Bill Richardson, Tim Geithner (what on earth is he still doing in your administration?), Tom Daschle, the list is growing. Paul Volcker being elbowed aside doesn’t look too good either. You have assembled quite a few clowns around you, and people have seen little accountability. It is already rubbing off on you.

Appointing Harry Markopolos to lead the SEC, as a bright voice today suggests, would be a good first step towards (re-)building the credibility that you are fast losing. He knows the material better than the SEC folks themselves and than the Congressmen who invited him. Throwing out the Rubin, Summers and Geithner cabal is a good second step. Better explaining $900 billion plans to the public follows on its heels. Explaining what lies in the people’s future, in non-ideological or faith-based terms, is a no-brainer.

There is no doubt that London’s bookies have a booming business in wagers on how much longer Gordon Clown will be in office in Britain. Your people are losing patience and faith too, Mr. President. What’ll it be, king or clown?
ust want someone to help our country.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 15:46:06

Hi, 8, how you doing? Great, I hope.
Getting back-rubs and all that…. ;)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 07:20:29

Have TARP funds, that last fall were wrested from the hands of US households against their collective will, been used to fix housing prices at unaffordably high levels? If so, the implicit wealth transfer from poor renters and young households just starting out their lives into the hands of older, wealthier homeowners would make the TARP one of the greatest reverse-Robin-Hood wealth transfer schemes in US history.

One casualty of persistently-overpriced housing: Returning vets are learning that they are priced out, even with the help of VA home loans. Meanwhile, speculators are stepping up to take advantage of government-engineered price increases. All told, the housing market remains FUBAR.

VA home loans see surge in demand
But many veterans feel excluded from market
By Roger Showley
Union-Tribune Staff Writer

2:00 a.m. September 29, 2009

The long-dormant veterans home loan program has surged in popularity in the past year, letting thousands of active and retired military families move from renting to owning.

Nearly 3,700 San Diego military families — almost triple last year’s rate — have used their Veterans Affairs benefits to buy in the past year, as other loans requiring bigger down payments and better credit became less attractive. An increase in the VA loan limit has also brought most homes on the market within reach of military buyers.

But many of the would-be buyers are coming up empty-handed, nudged aside by investors and all-cash buyers and ignored by agents, sellers and bankers who don’t want to work with VA buyers.

Roadblocks to using VA loans include tougher appraisals and closer scrutiny of the properties. While other buyers will take a property in as-is condition, VA loans require repairs to be completed before escrow closes. In addition, VA buyers get their upfront fees repaid if escrow does not close, while other buyers have to absorb such costs.

The upshot is that VA buyers can spend months bidding for affordable homes and lose out.

Many veterans now feel a sense of betrayal. For many, it’s now too late to take advantage of state and federal tax credits, unless they are renewed, and the inventory of attractively priced, foreclosed homes has shrunk, at least for now.

“It’s very frustrating and disheartening,” said Jessica Donigan of Gary Kent Homes & Estates-Re/Max Associates. “I’ve heard a lot of vets say they feel they’re being discriminated against, that it’s not fair.”

Comment by Jon
2009-09-29 09:54:25

This just sounds like the new “story” that needs to be created/told to get Congress to continue the $8K tax credit + add Veterans. Our veterans are our heroes! If anyone deserves money out of your pocket its them! Them and the firemen! And don’t forget our police officers & teachers!

Comment by Martin Gale
2009-09-29 10:09:24

Wow. How many people get killed at your job?

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 11:44:22

The trouble with the term “veteran” is that it doesn’t discriminate between a guy who has spent 20 years at “the tip of the spear”, and 20 years working at the base exchange in (say) Fallon, Nevada.

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Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-09-29 13:40:41

I think fishermen are at the top of most dangerous jobs.

I live in an area where everyone bows the military non-stop. They get discounts and all sorts of stuff. Meanwhile, their housing allowances keep housing prices high. They are not paid that poorly.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-09-29 16:02:28

DinOR mentioned once that he knew a guy that was in the Air Force 20 years and never left Texas!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Martin Gale
2009-09-29 10:00:56

“…TARP one of the greatest reverse-Robin-Hood wealth transfer schemes in US history.”

Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
Riding through the land
Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
Without a merry band
He steals from the poor.
And gives to the rich
Stupid b*tch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kp-R1o753pM (has sound)

 
Comment by Martin Gale
2009-09-29 10:12:41

“…would make the TARP one of the greatest reverse-Robin-Hood wealth transfer schemes in US history.”

Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
Riding through the land
Dennis Moore, Dennis Moore
Without a merry band
He steals from the poor
And gives to the rich
Stupid b*tch

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 07:22:01

Monday, September 28, 2009

Is the global economy any safer now?

Joseph Stiglitz, professor at Columbia University, talks with Kai Ryssdal about if our financial system is in worse shape today, a year into the credit crisis, than it was in 2008.

Comment by packman
2009-09-29 08:08:37

The Great Mask always helps make things look better than they really are.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 09:51:24

We’ve come a long way as a country since Ronald Raygun took office.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2009-09-29 08:16:55

Nice post Pbear…I particularly liked the audio..

 
Comment by measton
2009-09-29 08:39:55

The money quote

STIGLITZ: The distinction is we need money for real spending that leads to an increase in aggregate demand not throwing money at the banks that didn’t lead to more lending, didn’t lead to a strengthening of our economy. It was certainly not something to put us on a course of sustainable robust growth.

Throwing money at banks lead to more bonus payments, and higher commodity costs as they plowed the cheap borrowed money into oil. A great way to covertly tax everyone to help bailout Wallstreet.

Comment by packman
2009-09-29 09:10:24

Apparently he doesn’t understand that throwing money at the banks was the only way to prevent total armageddon.

(tongue firmly in cheek)

 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-09-29 08:09:37

Now the MSM seems worried that people won’t spend enough for Halloween. IIRC, about five years ago Halloween did move into the #2 spot in terms of holiday consumer spending.

And just remember folks, Halloween ain’t a holiday no more, it’s a lingere show! (that’s NOT a complaint, btw)

Comment by In Colorado
2009-09-29 08:28:57

I once saw a really cool Darth Vader costume. $700 IIRC. Looked the real McCoy. Not that I’ll ever buy it.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 09:58:36

Maybe it really WAS Darth Vader. You shoulda run up and tried to give him a big happy hug. Then if he grumpily chopped you in half with a red light-saber, you’d know if it was actually him or not, thereby gaining peace of mind.

 
 
Comment by Lost in Utah
2009-09-29 13:50:10

My sister once decided to go to a H. party as a mummy. My aunt and mom spent two hours wrapping her up in strips from shredded sheets. She was so late to the party everyone knew it was her (she’s always late to everything).

No, she wasn’t a kid, in her 30s.

I thought it was hilarious. She still hates me for that.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-29 08:40:31

Rhetorical Tax Evasion
The IRS says it will fine or jail you for not paying Obama’s mandate levy.
SEPTEMBER 29, 2009 - WSJ

President Obama’s effort to deny that his mandate to buy insurance is a tax has taken another thumping, this time from fellow Democrats in the Senate Finance Committee.

Chairman Max Baucus’s bill includes the so-called individual mandate, along with what he calls a $1,900 “excise tax” if you don’t buy health insurance. (It had been as much as $3,800 but Democrats reduced the amount last week to minimize the political sticker shock.) And, lo, it turns out that if you don’t pay that tax, the IRS could punish you with a $25,000 fine or up to a year in jail, or both.

Under questioning last week, Tom Barthold, the chief of staff of the Joint Committee on Taxation, admitted that the individual mandate would become a part of the Internal Revenue Code and that failing to comply “could be criminal, yes, if it were considered an attempt to defraud.” Mr. Barthold noted in a follow-up letter that the willful failure to file would be a simple misdemeanor, punishable by the $25,000 fine or jail time under Section 7203.

So failure to pay the mandate would be enforced like tax evasion, but Mr. Obama still claims it isn’t a tax. “You can’t just make up that language and decide that that’s called a tax increase,” Mr. Obama insisted last week to ABC interviewer George Stephanopoulos. Accusing critics of dishonesty is becoming this President’s default argument, but is Mr. Barthold also part of the plot?

In the 1994 health-care debate, the Congressional Budget Office called the individual mandate “an unprecedented form of federal action.” This is because “The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States.”

This coercion will be even more onerous today because everyone will be forced to buy insurance that the new taxes and regulations of ObamaCare will make far more expensive. Too bad Mr. Obama’s rhetorical tax evasion can’t be punished by the IRS.

Comment by Terry
2009-09-29 09:58:54

Worldnetdaily headline this am. One million people have signed up and sent their congressmen pink slips. The pink slips indicate if you vote for… you will be unemployed in 2010. Great idea, just sent mine to Fiengold. WND expects over 5 million pink slips to be sent…via fedx.

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-09-29 08:49:52

Starting Salaries Take a Hit

Deans and admissions officers say students and parents are increasingly viewing the business major as the most practical major in this economy, one that will put them in the best position to land a job after graduation. Increasingly, many who intended to become liberal arts majors are switching gears to business, or double majoring, pursuing a degree in history, for example, at the same time as one in finance, administrators say.

Many of these students are positioning themselves for what they hope will be an economic recovery down the road. However, their confidence in a business degree as the key to jump-starting their careers may be misplaced, especially if they graduate in the next year or two. Business graduates have been as hard hit by the downturn as most majors, a trend that shows no signs of abating, and their salaries are not faring much better. According to a July report from the National Association of Colleges and Employers, the average starting salary for 2009 college graduates with bachelor’s degrees in business increased less than 1%, to $47,239. Some business majors fared especially poorly. Business administration majors saw their salaries sink 2.1%, to $44,944. Meanwhile, economics graduates saw their salaries dip by 1.3%, to $49,829, according to the report.

Even so, business has always been a popular major among undergraduates. In academic year 2006-07, the largest number of bachelor’s degrees conferred was in business (21%),

Incentives have been so warped by the ceo class, outsourcing, and gov policy that we will soon become a country with too many chiefs and not enough indians. Rather than a consumer based economy we can become a committee based economy.

Comment by Skip
2009-09-29 09:51:41

I wish they would do some sort of ratio of starting salaries vs. cost of tuition.

 
Comment by adaylate
2009-09-29 10:26:48

Those “average” starting salary starting numbers that schools put out drive me crazy, and I don’t buy them for a second. I have never seen a college graduate anywhere I have worked - even at Fortune 500 companies - be offered $50,000.00 right out of school. It makes no sense, seeing the overall average salary for business careers is probably not much more than that, so why would a company just have to offer that kind of salary to a 22 year old?

I can see it for engineers, nurses, etc., where there is a real, defined skill that goes along with the degree. But not generic ba’s like economics. Just another example of no critical thinking for media when they do a story. Not asking any questions of the line they are fed, when if you look at these numbers in terms of average salaries in the country as a whole, they can’t hold water…

 
 
Comment by Al
2009-09-29 08:56:53

Dealing with the debt. Numbers are from 2008 (Wikipedia).

US Gov’t receipts: 2.66T (2,660B)
US Gov’t spending: 2.90T (2,900B)
spending on interest: 261B
percent of income to service debt: 10%
US Debt load: 10T (implied ave interest rate of 2.6%)

Plan A Assumptions:
1. Gov’t receipts will stay the same at 2.66T
2. Average interest rate will stay at 2.6%
3. Debt load will reach 12T before anything changes, but will go no higher.
4. The government will cut spending to create a 12B surplus which will pay down the debt by 1%.

2,660B (receipts) - 312B (interest on 12T debt) - 12B (targetted surplus) = 2435B Maximum spending

2435B (allowance for congress) / 2900B (2008 spending) = 84%

Congress is allowed to spend 2435B, or 84% of it’s 2008 spending.

Plan B Assumptions

1. Gov’t receipts will stay the same at 2.66T
2. The gov’t will repudiate all of it’s debts.
3. Other spending will not change.

2,660B (receipts) - 2,639B (spending less interest charges) = 21B surpluss

Congress can spend the same in 2008 and will have a small surplus to save for emergencies, which it will need because it won’t be able to borrow.

 
Comment by measton
2009-09-29 09:05:32

From PB’s NYT article

The court was unsympathetic. In January 2007, it found that Sovereign’s failure to register its interest with the county clerk barred it from asserting rights to the mortgage after the judgment had been entered. The court also said that even though MERS was named as mortgagee on the second loan, it didn’t have an interest in the underlying property.

By letting the sale stand and by rejecting Sovereign’s argument, the lower court, in essence, rejected MERS’s business model.

Although the Kansas court’s ruling applies only to cases in its jurisdiction, foreclosure experts said it could encourage judges elsewhere to question MERS’s standing in their cases.

All politics is local and it appears that judging is going to be local as well. Those working through MERS’s are not local and I suspect they are about to get their clock clean barring a reversal by the Supreme Court. You can bet the PTB will be plying the halls of justice with stories of armagedon and economic collapse to get these judges to reverse this decision.

 
Comment by packman
2009-09-29 09:20:19

Not sure if this was posted the other day or not (apologies if so).

Corus Auction Promises Property ‘Mark’

About 10 investors are expected to submit bids to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. by Friday for $5 billion in condominium loans and other property held by the failed Corus Bank, in a key test of U.S. commercial real-estate values.

The government-run auction, with loans backed by more than 100 real-estate developments, is the largest bulk sale of commercial-property assets since the financial crisis erupted. Bidders are looking at some of the highest-profile condo projects in the U.S., scattered from the waterfront Paramount Bay in Miami to Juhl in downtown Las Vegas.

Here’s a key thing:

The Corus transaction is being structured as a partnership between the agency and winning bidder. The FDIC will hold a 60% stake and provide financing, according to people familiar with the matter. While seven other FDIC deals since 2008 have had similar partnership structures, the Corus deal is by far the largest. A similar arrangement was made in last week’s sale of $1.3 billion in residential mortgages to a venture between the FDIC and Residential Credit Solutions Inc., these people said.

The public-private partnership structure is modeled on about 70 such deals pioneered by Resolution Trust Corp., a federal agency formed to clean up the savings-and-loan mess of the late 1980s and early 1990s. Rising property values in the mid- and late-1990s enabled the RTC to reduce taxpayer losses.

Still, the partnerships expose the U.S. to more financial risk than it might face by selling assets completely to private investors. The Corus auction also is complicated by an oversupply of condos in some of the same states where Corus concentrated its lending, such as Florida, California and Nevada.

So now we have yet another government agency getting into the real estate biz, on the taxpayer nut. I’d like to know how in hades these folks can get away with it. As far as I know - long real estate ownership is not within the mandate of the FDIC.

Comment by measton
2009-09-29 09:35:11

exactly how much skin is in the game for these so called investors??? Buy with FDIC backing rent at cut rate for a year or two and make no payments. Then declare bankruptcy.

 
Comment by packman
2009-09-29 09:39:25

“long” = “long term” in that last sentence.

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-09-29 09:20:20

*****TRIVIA CORNER*****

Did you know, that after starring as Eddie Haskell in the immortal “Leave It To Beaver” TV series, U.S. Treasury Secretary TIMOTHY GEITHNER delighted millions as the dashing and daring ninth President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York? It’s True!

++++AMAZING STAT++++

In 2009, TIMOTHY GEITHNER learned that even Fed Bank Presidents and Treasury Secretaries are expected to pay income taxes, JUST LIKE THE LITTLE PEOPLE!! AMAZING!!

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-09-29 10:32:34

after starring as Eddie Haskell in the immortal “Leave It To Beaver” TV series

:snicker:

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-09-29 09:32:46

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. Federal Reserve on Tuesday proposed tough new credit card rules to protect consumers from potentially costly practices by lenders and moved to implement legislation enacted in May.

“This proposal is another step forward in the Federal Reserve’s efforts to ensure that consumers who rely on credit cards are treated fairly,” said Fed Board Governor Elizabeth Duke said in a statement

And exactly where was the FED over the last 10 years? Could this all be an attempt to ward off congress.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-29 09:37:38

The following are the 75 cities in America with at least 250,000 residents, ranked according to their 2008 poverty rates:

* 1. Detroit, 33.3% in poverty
* 2. Cleveland, 30.5% in poverty
* 3. Buffalo, 30.3% in poverty
* 4. Newark, 26.1% in poverty
* 5. Miami, 25.6% in poverty
* 6. Fresno, 25.5% in poverty
* 7. Cincinnati, 25.1% in poverty
* 8. Toledo, 24.7% in poverty
* 9. El Paso, 24.3% in poverty
* 10. Philadelphia, 24.1% in poverty
* 11. Milwaukee, 23.4% in poverty
* 12. Memphis, 23.1% in poverty
* 13. St. Louis, 22.9% in poverty
* 14. Dallas, 22.6% in poverty
* 14. New Orleans, 22.6% in poverty
* 16. Atlanta, 22.4% in poverty
* 17. Stockton, Calif., 21.6% in poverty
* 18. Minneapolis, 21.3% in poverty
* 19. Pittsburgh, 21.2% in poverty
* 20. Tucson, 20.9% in poverty
* 21. Chicago, 20.6% in poverty
* 22. Columbus, Ohio, 20.1% in poverty
* 23. Long Beach, Calif., 19.8% in poverty
* 24. Houston, 19.5% in poverty
* 25. Los Angeles, 19.4% in poverty
* 26. Baltimore, 19.3% in poverty
* 27. San Antonio, 19.2% in poverty
* 28. Phoenix, 18.9% in poverty
* 29. Boston, 18.7% in poverty
* 30. Denver, 18.4% in poverty
* 30. St. Paul, 18.4% in poverty
* 32. Tulsa, 18.3% in poverty
* 33. New York City, 18.2% in poverty
* 34. Tampa, 17.8% in poverty
* 35. Santa Ana, Calif., 17.6% in poverty
* 36. Nashville, 17.5% in poverty
* 36. Oakland, 17.5% in poverty
* 38. Corpus Christi, Texas, 17.2% in poverty
* 38. Washington, 17.2% in poverty
* 40. Austin, 17.0% in poverty
* 41. Bakersfield, Calif., 16.7% in poverty
* 42. Fort Worth, 16.6% in poverty
* 43. Indianapolis, 16.4% in poverty
* 43. Kansas City, 16.4% in poverty
* 43. Oklahoma City, 16.4% in poverty
* 46. Greensboro, 16.2% in poverty
* 47. Louisville, 16.1% in poverty
* 47. Sacramento, 16.1% in poverty
* 49. Lexington, Ky., 15.6% in poverty
* 50. Aurora, Colo., 15.4% in poverty
* 51. Albuquerque, 15.0% in poverty
* 51. Omaha, 15.0% in poverty
* 53. Portland, Ore., 14.4% in poverty
* 53. San Diego, 14.4% in poverty
* 55. Glendale, Ariz., 14.3% in poverty
* 55. Wichita, 14.3% in poverty
* 57. Fort Wayne, Ind., 13.5% in poverty
* 57. Riverside, Calif., 13.5% in poverty
* 59. Raleigh, 13.3% in poverty
* 60. Anaheim, Calif., 13.1% in poverty
* 61. Las Vegas, 12.6% in poverty
* 62. Charlotte, 12.0% in poverty
* 63. Jacksonville, 11.9% in poverty
* 64. Colorado Springs, 11.8% in poverty
* 64. Lincoln, Neb., 11.8% in poverty
* 66. Mesa, Ariz., 11.7% in poverty
* 67. Seattle, 11.6% in poverty
* 68. Arlington, Texas, 11.3% in poverty
* 69. San Francisco, 11.0% in poverty
* 70. Honolulu, 10.8% in poverty
* 71. San Jose, 8.9% in poverty
* 72. Henderson, Nev., 7.5% in poverty
* 73. Plano, Texas, 6.7% in poverty
* 74. Virginia Beach, 6.5% in poverty
* 75. Anchorage, 6.4% in poverty

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-09-29 09:47:21

I’m surprised the top four cities in that list don’t have higher poverty rates, honestly.

But I wouldn’t have guessed that Miami would take the #5 spot.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 09:48:45

So long as housing prices are going up and bankers are still getting paid their bonuses, why does this even matter?

 
Comment by Skip
2009-09-29 09:57:34

I don’t really believe those stats for Plano, Texas.


For large cities (250,000 or more people), Plano, Texas, and San Jose, Calif., had the highest median household incomes.

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/010583.html

 
Comment by Jon
2009-09-29 10:03:15

Those cities must have high tax rates.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-29 10:06:13

Workers’ Porn Surfing Rampant at Federal Agency

Employee misconduct investigations, often involving workers accessing pornography from their government computers, grew sixfold last year inside the taxpayer-funded foundation that doles out billions of dollars of scientific research grants, according to budget documents and other records obtained by The Washington Times.

The problems at the National Science Foundation (NSF) were so pervasive they swamped the agency’s inspector general and forced the internal watchdog to cut back on its primary mission of investigating grant fraud and recovering misspent tax dollars.

“To manage this dramatic increase without an increase in staff required us to significantly reduce our efforts to investigate grant fraud,” the inspector general recently told Congress in a budget request. “We anticipate a significant decline in investigative recoveries and prosecutions in coming years as a direct result.”

The budget request doesn’t state the nature or number of the misconduct cases, but records obtained by The Times through the Freedom of Information Act laid bare the extent of the well-publicized porn problem inside the government-backed foundation.

For instance, one senior executive spent at least 331 days looking at pornography on his government computer and chatting online with nude or partially clad women without being detected, the records show.

When finally caught, the NSF official retired. He even offered, among other explanations, a humanitarian defense, suggesting that he frequented the porn sites to provide a living to the poor overseas women. Investigators put the cost to taxpayers of the senior official’s porn surfing at between $13,800 and about $58,000.

 
Comment by seesaw
2009-09-29 10:15:48

from today’s Ft:

Return of the old ways of thinking threatens recovery

We are at the point of maximum confusion in the multi-year transition of the global economy, markets and policymaking. We have left the global growth regime that was driven primarily by debt-financed consumption in the US, but we have not as yet reached a position of more balanced, albeit anaemic, growth. Those who lack a robust anchoring framework, be they investors or policymakers, risk being misled and backtracking to outdated ways of thinking.

The signs of inappropriate reversion are multiplying. Confusing temporary factors for sustainable ones, a growing number of analysts have extended the ongoing stimulus/inventory bounce to a V-like recovery next year and beyond. The momentum for meaningful financial reform is stalling in spite of clear evidence that financial activities have far outpaced the regulatory infrastructure. And some banks are returning to the bad habits that almost destroyed them.

Today’s lack of appropriate anchoring frameworks appears to be exacerbating short-termism. The issue goes well beyond the still-limited appreciation of the multi-year realignment of the global economy, which is gaining momentum. It also relates to tendencies well-documented by behavioural economists – such as framing the problem wrongly and refusing to question past approaches.

Given all this, we would be all well advised to follow the admonition of Mervyn King. Last month, the governor of the Bank of England stated bluntly: “It’s the level, stupid – it’s not the growth rates, it’s the levels that matter here.” Investors have not yet accepted his insight that the absolute levels of income, debt, wealth and unemployment, not just the rates of change, are what matters today. They need to, and soon.

Analysis of key levels in the global economy points to important deviations between desired and actual levels. The outlook for major countries will continue to be driven by the levels of key variables, not their rate of recovery. Consider four examples.

First, consumer indebtedness is still too high relative to income expectations and credit availability, particularly in the US and the UK. This inconsistency will hold back any sustainable bounce in the most important component of aggregate demand.

Second, some banks’ balance sheets are still too geared for the comfort of regulators or their own managers. This will inhibit them from lending to the real economy at a time when certain sectors (such as commercial real estate, but also residential housing) still require significant refinancing, and when consumers need time to work down their excessive debt loads.

Third, unemployment has risen well beyond expectations, and is likely to prove unusually protracted. It will take years for US unemployment to return to its natural rate, even after the natural rate shifted upwards. This will dampen the recovery of consumption and investment, stress social contracts that assume flexible labour markets, and endanger political support for essential structural reforms.

Finally, public debt has grown so rapidly as to spark concerns about future debt dynamics. This would inhibit the effectiveness of future stimulus measures, as well as complicating the formulation of exit strategies. It could also erode the medium-term ability of the US to fund cheaply its large deficits by undermining both the global standing of the dollar as world reserve currency and the attractiveness of US financial markets.

These factors work against the much needed handover from temporary growth impulses (which will bolster growth for the remainder of this year) to the permanent ones needed to sustain above-trend growth in 2010 and beyond. As such, the global economy may find it tough to attain Larry Summers’ “escape velocity” – sufficiently high and sustained growth to propel the US (and the rest of the world) away from the contractionary drag of further debt reduction, risk aversion and reregulation.

These considerations serve to accentuate the inconsistency between market valuations and the reality facing companies and economies. Today’s markets – be they industrial country equities or corporate bonds – have priced in vigorous growth for 2010. Valuations assume companies will be able robustly to grow earnings through higher revenues, not renewed reliance on the cost reductions that have propelled earnings in the past six months. For that, they are depending on what is likely to prove to be an elusive high-growth scenario for 2010.

The longer it takes for investors and the policy consensus to shift to the appropriate analytical framework – one that factors in levels rather than just rates of change – the greater the risk of disappointment in 2010. Mr King’s insight will need to be more widely appreciated if the global economy is to avoid a growth and wealth relapse next year.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-09-29 10:15:52

Here’s an article about DinOR’s favorite Idaho ski spot, Tamarack…

http://www.idahostatesman.com/newsupdates/story/917655.html

A group of nine Tamarack homeowners has asked state District Judge Patrick Owen to appoint the receiver, saying they have lined up a Mexican real estate company to provide operating funds.

The group, which calls itself the West Mountain Preservation Management Association, filed paperwork Friday indicating that Inmobiliaria Las Fuentes S.A. had agreed to lend $7.9 million “for the operation of the resort from Oct. 1, 2009, through August 30, 2010.”

That’s got to be grim: buying into an expensive resort condo complex only to have the main draw - the ski slopes - closed down due to lack of funds.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-29 10:26:18

U.S. Northeast May Have Coldest Winter in a Decade.

Sept. 28 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Northeast may have the coldest winter in a decade because of a weak El Nino, a warming current in the Pacific Ocean, according to Matt Rogers, a forecaster at Commodity Weather Group.

“Weak El Ninos are notorious for cold and snowy weather on the Eastern seaboard,” Rogers said in a Bloomberg Television interview from Washington. “About 70 percent to 75 percent of the time a weak El Nino will deliver the goods in terms of above-normal heating demand and cold weather. It’s pretty good odds.”

Warming in the Pacific often means fewer Atlantic hurricanes and higher temperatures in the U.S. Northeast during January, February and March, according to the National Weather Service. El Nino occurs every two to five years, on average, and lasts about 12 months, according to the service.

Hedge-fund managers and other large speculators increased their net-long positions, or bets prices will rise, in New York heating oil futures in the week ended Sep. 22, according to U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission data Sept. 25.

“It could be one of the coldest winters, or the coldest, winter of the decade,” Rogers said.

U.S. inventories of distillate fuels, which include heating oil, are at their highest since January 1983, the U.S. Energy Department said Sept. 23. Stockpiles of 170.8 million barrels in the week ended Sept. 18 are 28 percent above the five-year average.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 10:44:59

If this housing price inflation keeps up for a few more years, pretty soon lenders will be able to restart the housing ATM machine.

U.S. Economy: Home Prices Increase by Most Since 2005 (Update1)

By Bob Willis and Shobhana Chandra

Sept. 29 (Bloomberg) — Home values in 20 U.S. cities climbed in July by the most in almost four years, helping stem the record plunge in household wealth that’s depressed spending.

The S&P/Case-Shiller home-price index rose 1.2 percent in July from the prior month, the biggest gain since October 2005, the group said today in New York. Another report showed consumer confidence unexpectedly fell in September, while holding above the record low reached earlier this year.

Home values are rebounding as low borrowing costs and government tax credits lift home sales. Combined with rising stock prices, the gains will begin to restore the $13 trillion plunge in net worth caused by the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, a process that economists such as Brian Bethune say will take years to complete.

Home prices are “a major, major turning point for the economy,” said Bethune, chief financial economist at IHS Global Insight in Lexington, Massachusetts. “We are eating away at the problem of household balance sheets.”

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-09-29 11:24:47

It’s kinda funny — all the talk to stop doing what we’ve been doing; yet, we keep doing more of what we’ve been doing.

 
Comment by packman
2009-09-29 11:28:14

The more things bounce up and down, the more profitable it is to game the system.

(especially if you’re the one causing the bouncing)

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 13:45:26

Especially if you are the one with the financial technology to make money off volatility.

Comment by packman
2009-09-29 14:33:56

Yep.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-09-29 10:58:11

RE & Drugs…

2 Men Killed Execution-Style at Mexican Beach Resort

PUERTO VALLARTA, Mexico — Two Canadian men were shot to death execution-style outside an apartment building in the Mexican resort of Puerto Vallarta, authorities said Monday.

Witnesses told police that a gunman approached Gordon Douglas Kendall and Jeffrey Ronald Ivans outside the building they were staying in and shot Kendall, according to Jalisco state prosecutor Guillermo Diaz.

The gunman then chased Ivans to the pool area and shot him. Witnesses said two other gunmen arrived minutes later and repeatedly shot the dead or dying Canadians, Diaz said. The men fled and no arrests have been made.

Diaz said Ivans was carrying a handgun, though he apparently was not able to use it before he was shot. It is unusual for people in Mexico, particularly foreigners, to carry handguns. It was not clear if Ivans had a permit.

Diaz said police have reports that the men were involved in real estate developments in another nearby resort area, Bahia de Banderas.

Investigators have not determined a motive for the killing.

Sgt. Bill Whalen of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said the service’s organized crime and gang units suspected Kendall and Ivans of being in the drug trade in the Canadian province of British Columbia.

“We were aware of who they were, that they were in Mexico and that they were involved in the drug trade,” said Whalen, an officer in the RCMP’s Combined Forces Special Enforcment Unit.

Whalen said Ivans pleaded guilty in Kamloops, British Columbia, in 2002 to one charge of drug trafficking and was fined $1,000.

British Columbia’s biggest city, Vancouver, has seen a surge in crime since the start of the year. Canadian police say at the root of the increase are drug gangs, with a Mexican cocaine supply line heading north through California to the city.

In Mexico’s Michoacan state, which borders Jalisco, police arrested three federal agents for allegedly passing information to organized crime.

The Public Safety Department said in a statement the three agents, ages 33, 37 and 38, were assigned to the port city of Lazaro Cardenas as part of President Felipe Calderon’s crackdown on organized crime.

One of the officers was carrying $15,000 when arrested and investigators believe it was money received for informing on police operations, it said.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 11:28:26

Witnesses said two other gunmen arrived minutes later and repeatedly shot the dead or dying Canadians, Diaz said…
Diaz said police have reports that the men were involved in real estate developments in another nearby resort area, Bahia de Banderas…

Oh, goody! I just love happy endings!

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-09-29 11:09:18

Aren’t you guys happy the government is spending billions upon billions of dollars to keep housing prices unaffordable (tax credits, deductions, exclusions, and FHA banking industry subsidies), and spending billions and billions more to keep people in unaffordable housing (HARP and TARP), and at the same time promising to spend billions and billions more to help poor people buy unaffordable housing(HFA)?

If that’s not an extraordinary popular delusion, I don’t know what is.

Comment by wmbz
2009-09-29 13:31:53

“If that’s not an extraordinary popular delusion, I don’t know what is”.

I spoke with at least a dozen people over the weekend about our economy and the housing market in particular. With one exception the rest seemed to believe we’ll have a big turn around by next spring.

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-09-29 11:19:36

Is the U.S. Banking System Insolvent?
Mathematics Suggests It Is:

There are roughly 125 million single-family homes in the US.

Of those, roughly 30% have no mortgage on them at all. This leaves 87.5 million single-family homes with mortgages.

Let us assume the average outstanding balance is $200,000 across the entire set and will take a 40% loss severity. This is less than S&P has estimated for subprime loans and only assumes a roughly 20% market deficiency in the home price (the rest is from legal, rehabilitation and marketing expenses.)

These numbers are, with a high degree of confidence (90%+) low - that is, losses will exceed these estimates, perhaps dramatically so. It is, for example, quite reasonable to believe that due to the concentration of defaults in higher-priced areas (e.g. California and Florida) that the average outstanding balance could be close to double that $200,000 value and the loss due to negative equity higher.

From this we can develop a “cocktail napkin” view of the losses to be taken in home mortgages for single-family homes (remember, this does not include condos, apartment buildings and similar “commercial” paper.)

$200,000 X 40% = $80,000 loss per foreclosure.

87.5 million homes with mortgages X 12.42% = 10,867,500 foreclosures.

10,867,500
x 80,000
=============
$869,400,000,000

or $869 billion in losses remaining in single-family mortgages alone, and this on a very conservative set of assumptions.

What if the average outstanding is higher and negative equity greater than 20% (which is likely)? Losses will almost certainly be well north of a trillion dollars.

The entire banking system and likely The Fed, given the quantity of Fannie and Freddie paper it has been and is “eating”, is insolvent. These facts are why the government is lying - they’re well-aware of the near-zero cure rates and know that these facts mean that the banking industry has nowhere near sufficient capital to withstand these losses without folding like a paper cup getting stomped on by an elephant.

(Remember that these numbers do not include any commercial real estate losses and we have found that banks are frequently over-stating their claimed values for these loans by 50% or more - as was seen with Colonial.)

Care to argue with the math folks?

(From K. Denninger)

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 11:37:38

Care to argue with the math (folks)?

Argue? Jeeze, me and math won’t even shake hands in passing. Me and math have agreed to leave each other strictly alone as much as possible because we have a mutual and unshakable aversion to each other.
And yet even IIIIII, the Mathless One, can easily perceive one bright and shining fact:
The. US. banking. system. is. utterly. fooked.

Remember, you heard it first here, people. :)

Comment by cobaltblue
2009-09-29 13:26:28

Well Miss Olympiagal, as I live and breathe!

It is always a delight to meet up with you here in the Ben Blogosphere!

I was just thinking the other day (which in and of itself is open to question) of the many days of my youth spent meandering and observing amongst the bog-dwellers of that glacial swamp area of NY state I called home.

It occurred to me that not everyone appreciates the subtleties between toads and frogs. And that Olygal certainly would. Therefore, may I present my Tuesday Afternoon Micro-Discussion (not to be confused with micro-brewery) of the Order Anura. To wit:

•Toads have a dry and warty skin, while frogs have a smooth and wet skin.
•Toads have shorter back legs than frogs.
•Toads hop; frogs jump.

And, saving the best for last - Toads do not have teeth; frogs have tiny teeth. I know this to be true first hand and finger.

When pondering if I would rather be friends with a toad or a frog I have often concluded neither; as a duck having no between-the-toes, but sporting wings, is the better escape artist.
We now return to the program already in progress.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-09-29 15:58:37

It occurred to me that not everyone appreciates the subtleties between toads and frogs. And that Olygal certainly would.

Go ahead and believe it. I think about frogs quite a bit. I was thinking about them right this very minute, in fact, before you distracted me.

When pondering if I would rather be friends with a toad or a frog I have often concluded neither;

Lessee…smooth, wet, jumps around a lot, and has teeth…
Too late. You’re definitely friends with a frog, my good blue person. :lol:

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 19:43:56

FUBAR bank bailout fund alert! The silver lining: The fund can be forever replenished with freshly-printed liquidity.

* The Wall Street Journal
* BUSINESS
* SEPTEMBER 30, 2009

Bank-Bailout Fund Faces Years in Red as Failures Jolt System

By DAMIAN PALETTA and MICHAEL R. CRITTENDEN

WASHINGTON — The government said the fund that protects consumer bank deposits has fallen into the red and will remain there into 2012, a pointed symbol of how the aftershocks of the financial crisis will reverberate for years as banks continue to fail at a high rate.

The negative balance is a headache for the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., which runs the fund. On Tuesday, it proposed the unprecedented step of having the banking industry prepay $45 billion in fees by the end of the year to give the government more breathing room to handle future failures.

The only other time the fund fell into the red was in 1991, during the savings-and-loan crisis, and it shows how U.S. officials underestimated the impact of this crisis on the government’s cash needs.

The FDIC, faced with a deposit insurance fund expected to be in the red, moves to raise $45 billion to replenish its coffers by having U.S. banks prepay premiums for three years. WSJ’s Damian Paletta reports.
More

“Though some of our largest bank failures have already taken place, there are still hundreds and hundreds of banks that are going to fail in this cycle,” said Gerard Cassidy, a bank analyst at RBC Capital Markets.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 13:44:25

So long as the Fed and Treasury can reflate housing prices before said prices are discovered, where is the problem?

Comment by Jon
2009-09-29 14:13:18

And can’t the Fed purchase said mortgages? What’s $869 Bill in new FRN’s in comparison with $13 Trill in lost home ATM money?

 
 
Comment by vicever
2009-09-29 15:13:50

If your calculation is correct, no big deal then. There were at least 1.25T set aside or planned to be used for buy MBS, enough to cover all of it.

 
 
Comment by CentralCoastDude
2009-09-29 11:59:15

Any reason why I should not buy a 4 plex I found in good shape that is $165k and grosses $2400 in rent per month? It is mostly sec 8 tenants so they have very cheap rent with gov subsidies. I read it is difficult to get investment financing but I could do 30% down. Should cash flow, $1000 + per month after repairs and holding costs. Looking for advice.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2009-09-29 12:15:02

The Feds are trying to change CC rules and may prohibit creditors issuing a card to anyone under the age of 21 unless the borrower has either the ability to make the required payment, or has the signature of a parent or other co-signer who has the means to do so.

So between that and drinking age rules, why don’t they just make the voting age 21? Its evident that if you are between the ages of 18-21, you truly are not considered an adult (unlike other countries, who put their money where their mouth is in this instance).

If I were that age, I do believe I would start getting really pi**ed off about this BS. Yes I know MADD says that statistically DUIs and accidents are down because of that ruling; but when MADD came into existence, the current laws and education did not exist then. So who knows what the statistics would be today.

Wow. That feels better.

Now let me start on how the rest of the world feels about this country’s penchant for putting jocks on pedastals and allowing morons into universities because they can kick a ball.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-09-29 13:08:46

So between that and drinking age rules, why don’t they just make the voting age 21? Its evident that if you are between the ages of 18-21, you truly are not considered an adult (unlike other countries, who put their money where their mouth is in this instance).

More importantly, why not change the age you can join the armed services to 21?

You can’t drink, you can’t vote — hell, we won’t even give you a credit card — but here’s your rifle …

Comment by potential buyer
2009-09-29 15:57:34

+1

 
 
 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-09-29 12:17:50

A rental property should be near where you live.

If you do purchase, I pass on the advice of the guy who recently helped me rehab my rent house between tenants. He rents to section 8-ers.

His advice: hyper-caulk and seal the bathroom floor so that in the case of leakage, the tenant will be standing in water and will report plumbing problems to you.

Comment by CentralCoastDude
2009-09-29 12:35:18

It is 2 hrs away. Not that close, but not too bad. The previous owner put $12k worth of repairs into it last yr (all materials, as he does the work himself). I too, am a DIY’er. Seems like great cash flow. I think I will jump in if I can get it a little cheaper, say $145k. Time to find a loan. ;)

 
 
Comment by tresho
2009-09-29 12:38:16

SEC Inspector General [IG] says enforcement section broken. In a report late last month the IG detailed how the SEC bungled five investigations of Madoff’s business between June 1992 and last December, when the financier confessed. Top SEC officials have pledged to fix the problems and say they already have made major changes in appearances so that they can continue to hold their phoney-baloney jobs while drawing their pay.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-29 12:44:56

Freddie Mac door-to-door push launched to help delinquent borrowers
Washington Business Journal

A campaign has been launched by Freddie Mac to urge delinquent borrowers to apply for help in getting mortgage loan modifications under the federal Making Home Affordable Program.

The McLean-based government-controlled mortgage buyer has hired Titanium Solutions Inc. to go door-to-door to meet with delinquent borrowers at their homes and help them supply missing information, documents and complete other actions needed to begin their three month trial payment periods loan modifications to avoid losing their homes.

Titanium Solutions will target late-paying borrowers with Freddie Mac-owned mortgages who have not returned letters or phone calls sent by their servicers, or who need to provide additional information or documents to launch their three-month Home Affordable Modification trial periods. Titanium will also help those borrowers who have started their trial periods complete the documentation process to enable them to be converted into final modifications.

“By meeting with our borrowers, one on one, in their homes Titanium Solutions can help them overcome the roadblocks keeping them from starting their Home Affordable Modification trial periods,” said Ingrid Beckles, senior vice president of default asset management at Freddie Mac (NYSE: FRE). “We believe this can give borrowers seeking Home Affordable Modifications the same type of personalized guidance they may have had when they were buying their home or applying for their mortgage.”

Comment by wmbz
2009-09-29 13:14:24

Door to door… Just when I think the insane crap may be coming to a head they ratchet it up a notch. So when the “affordable” Bull Sh!t modification trail is over and the FB can’t make the payments or has to move for a job, what then? A new program I’m sure.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-09-29 13:26:56

Hamilton Sundstrand Lays Off 19 Union Workers.
September 29, 2009

Hamilton Sundstrand laid off 19 union workers Monday, bringing to about 100 this year’s total for union layoffs at the Windsor Locks company, according to the company and the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers.

United Technologies Corp., which owns Hamilton, is in the process of cutting its Connecticut workforce by 1,500 by the end of the year. Worldwide, UTC is cutting 11,600 jobs.

Mark Hebert, president of Machinists Local 743, which represents Hamilton workers, said the company attributed the layoffs to a reduced workload. The affected workers were involved in assembling and testing jet fuel controls, valves, housings and other products. They were dismissed Monday, but will be paid for 10 days and will receive severance pay afterward based on length of service.

Last December Hamilton reduced its Connecticut-based union workforce by 150 through buyouts, Hebert said. Total Machinist employment at Hamilton stands at about 1,035 he said.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 19:39:53

This is a depressingly lucid perspective on the housing bailout situation.

Daniel Gross
A Tale of Two Bailouts

It’s not the best of times for housing.
Published Sep 24, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Oct 5, 2009

The bad news? While the government has pacified the commercial finance, savings, and plain-vanilla banking sectors, it’s sending reinforcements into the vast, restive region where the trouble began: housing.

After Lehman, the Fed plunged directly into home lending. It pledged to purchase huge quantities of mortgage-backed securities and bonds issued by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the failed mortgage giants. “We’re subsidizing housing more than ever,” says Ken Rogoff, the Harvard economist and co-author of This Time is Different, a fine new history of financial debacles.

The Fed’s portfolio of mortgage-backed securities has risen from zero last year to $685 billion today. If they go bad, guess who pays? And while the subprime industry may sleep with The Sopranos, there’s a new subprime lender in town: the First National Bank of You and Me. During the go-go years, the Federal Housing Authority, the agency that helps lower-income people own homes by purchasing loans made by other lenders, found that its 3 percent down-payment requirement was (absurdly) too stringent. And so it lost market share. In the spring of 2006, the FHA accounted for about 9 percent of mortgages for home purchases, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association. In late August 2009, that figure had risen to 40 percent. Like subprime lenders of old, the FHA lends to people who can’t always make their payments. In the second quarter, about 14.4 percent of the FHA’s loans were at least one month past due. And since the FHA’s cash reserves are already model-thin, it may need its own bailout.

Rogoff points out another reason we should view the glass as half empty. Now that the government has shown the lengths it will go to save bankers from their own mistakes, they’ll have faith that it will do so again in the future. “The subsidy is now permanently in place,” he says. “There’s a sense in which we’re not going to be able to exit from any sector completely.” To use a martial analogy, we might declare partial victory after a surge. But we’re not decommissioning the forces. We’re just pulling them back over the horizon.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 20:33:24

“The Fed’s portfolio of mortgage-backed securities has risen from zero last year to $685 billion today. If they go bad, guess who pays?”

I am missing Mr Gross’s point here.

1) If the Fed is propping up the value of housing, how could mortgages “go bad”?

2) Can’t they print up more money to pay for the guarantees, just in case the mortgages do “go bad”?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 19:49:20

Suggested reading for fellow sufferers from the Wall Street bailout blues:

It Takes a Pillage: Behind the Bailouts, Bonuses, and Backroom Deals from Washington to Wall Street (Hardcover)
by Nomi Prins

This Time is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly (Hardcover)
by Carmen M. Reinhart and Kenneth Rogoff

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-09-29 20:01:34

Ron Paul is a guest tonight on The Daily Show!

 
Comment by DD
2009-09-29 20:09:52

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/CollegeAndFamily/RaiseKids/
who-in-the-world-is-middle-class.aspx

“Everybody sort of defines themselves as middle class” in America,
says Steven R. Pressman, a professor of economics and finance at
Monmouth University in West Long Branch, N.J. “Self-perception is
a funny thing.”

The edges of middle-class status may be hard to pin down, but the
importance of those who perceive themselves to be middle class is
impossible to deny. Unlike the poor, they can buy extras. Unlike
the rich, they have to spend much of their income on essentials.
They’re motivated to move up and to protect what they have.

 
Comment by DD
2009-09-29 20:11:45

testing.

failed.

who is middle class.
what does it take.

talk amongst yourselves …

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 20:46:38

The New York Times
Business

Economix
Explaining the Science of Everyday Life
September 29, 2009, 7:23 am

Taxing Banks to Pay for, and Prevent, Future Bailouts
By Edward L. Glaeser
Mary Altaffer/AP

Edward L. Glaeser is an economics professor at Harvard.

Financial market regulation seems dauntingly complex, but conceptually it is no different than an efficient highway toll.

Both public interventions are justified by negative externalities, which occur when one person’s activity adversely impacts other people. On the highways, each driver slows everyone else, and tolls can speed traffic by keeping price-sensitive drivers off the road. In the financial markets, institutional risk-taking creates the risk of failure and federal bailout. The reason to intervene, on either the highways or the Bourse, is to limit the social damage created by people and companies that act without worrying about the costs that they impose upon others.

In the old days, everyone pretended that financial institutions had no federal guarantee other than deposit insurance. Public officials even kept up the fiction that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were independent, a pretense belied by the nearly risk-free interest rates that these institutions paid to their lenders. Now we know that Freddie and Fannie and plenty of other institutions were gambling with our money, and that gave them an incentive to take on plenty of extra risk.

The risk of future bailouts makes the case for further regulation, but we can’t design good policies until we know the new rules that will govern those future bailouts. Will the feds backstop everyone or just big banks? Does this guarantee always apply, or just during a downturn big enough so that a bank collapse could destroy the credit system?

RULES WERE MADE TO BE BROKEN, PERFESSOR!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 20:50:03

No mea culpa!

September 29, 2009
Hoffman blasts bank bailouts but says Obama had no choice

Posted by Rick Pearson at 3:20 p.m.

David Hoffman, a candidate for the Democratic U.S. Senate nomination, said today voters are suffering from a “crisis of trust” in the federal government, due in part to watching the treasury spend billions of dollars propping up banks to help restore the financial system.

But Hoffman told reporters he was not criticizing the bank and investment bail outs used by President Barack Obama’s administration, contending that by the time the new Democratic White House took action, “it was like having a gun to our head as a society” to do something.

Yet Hoffman, a former Chicago city inspector general who is making his first run for public office, said he was impatient with efforts by Democrats in Washington to move forward with accountability and oversight reforms on Wall Street to prevent another financial fiasco.

Hard working Americans are losing their jobs every day while the federal government spends billions to bailout the banks and saves the jobs of CEOs whose strategy of greed and incompetence led to the meltdown of the financial markets,” Hoffman said.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-29 20:53:54

What on God’s earth could “the U.S.” have done to prevent the hijacking of our financial system from within last fall? What was the voter support for the TARP, for instance — something like twenty fooking percent?

OUR POLITICIANS HAVE ABDICATED THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO AMERICAN VOTERS. AND THE FED AND MEGAGANGBANK, INC HAVE HIJACKED THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM.

U.S. Better Not Make Same Bailout Mistakes Twice
By Steven Russolillo

Celebrating bank bailouts as if they are a substitute for restructuring debt is “a mistake that will haunt us,” John Hussman writes in weekly commentary.

“The best time to panic, in the financial markets, is before everyone else does. Similarly, the best time to consider responses to credit strains is before they surface,” he says. “My sincere hope is that if, and I believe when, financial trouble resurfaces, we will be wise enough as a nation to prevent policy makers like Geithner and Bernanke from making the same bailout mistakes twice, protecting irresponsible lenders, and further burdening the nation with debt in the process.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-30 05:20:37

I have a great suggestion: Why not use unspent TARP monies to fund Wall Street bankers’ year-end bonuses, at the banks that posted less-than-stellar results?

* The Wall Street Journal
* SEPTEMBER 25, 2009

Battle Brews Over Unused TARP Cash

By DEBORAH SOLOMON and MICHAEL R. CRITTENDEN

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Treasury Department is discussing ways to keep in reserve some emergency bailout funds even if the Troubled Asset Relief Program isn’t extended beyond the end of the year.

The Treasury is considering whether to extend the bailout in order to keep control of a remaining $200 billion. But that decision is complicated by lawmakers who are worried about the increasing national debt, WSJ’s Deborah Solomon reports.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner may opt to extend the program, which expires on Dec. 31. But even if the program isn’t extended, officials want to keep at least some of the money that has yet to be committed to any particular program on hand in case financial conditions worsen and the government is forced to step in.

The decision of whether to extend TARP has become embroiled in a debate over the unpopularity of the $700 billion bailout and the nation’s mounting fiscal woes.

Mr. Geithner hasn’t yet determined whether to extend the government’s TARP authority, Treasury officials said. Even if TARP is allowed to expire, the program won’t technically end until the government’s investments are repaid and the U.S. is no longer a shareholder in financial institutions.

Treasury officials are discussing whether there is any way to preserve that money without extending TARP. While there is no plan to spend additional bailout funds, Treasury officials want the ability to respond in case financial conditions deteriorate.

Neal Wolin, Treasury’s deputy secretary, said it was too early to make a decision on whether to extend TARP. “We will be looking at and making judgments about [extending TARP] in the weeks and months ahead,” Mr. Wolin said in response to questions after a speech Thursday.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-09-30 05:25:24

Has the stock market gone parabolic again? I keep getting this feeling that the greater fools are getting led to slaughter, but perhaps I am the greater fool here for not jumping in and enjoying the party?

* The Wall Street Journal
* TODAY’S MARKETS
* SEPTEMBER 30, 2009, 8:20 A.M. ET

Jobs Data Rein In Futures

A WALL STREET JOURNAL ONLINE NEWS ROUNDUP

Stock futures surrendered some of Wednesday morning’s early gains after a report showed slightly deeper-than-expected job losses in the private sector last month.

About 75 minutes before the start of trading in New York, futures on the Dow Jones Industrial Average were higher by about 26 points, off earlier highs. S&P 500 and Nasdaq futures also pulled back. Changes in futures don’t always accurately predict early market moves after the opening bell.

A closely watched report from Automatic Data Processing and Macroeconomic Advisors showed private sector employers in the U.S. dropped 254,000 jobs from their payrolls last month, more than the 240,000 jobs decline expected by economists.

Heading into the last trading session of the third quarter, the Dow is up 15.3% for the period, on track for its best quarterly performance since 1998. The Dow also is on track to defy tradition by clocking gains for September, a month in which stocks over the long term have shown an average decline of more than 1%. The average is up 2.6% for the month.

 
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