October 4, 2009

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 06:48:48

Developments
WSJ dot com tracks the housing market with news, tips and analysis

* September 30, 2009, 1:27 PM ET

Q&A: Shiller Sees 5 Years of Stagnant Home Prices

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-04 07:21:21

I don’t buy it. No undershoot below the index value 100?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 07:32:16

Robert Shiller is now officially a housing market cheerleader.

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-10-04 07:53:19

There is this:

‘awarded the Deutsche Bank Prize in Financial Economics today’

DB has a bunch of defaults way out here in AZ. The conflicts are all over the place with this guy. Plus, if you read the article, he hedges his bets at just about every part of the supply and demand curves.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 09:28:41

In fairness, it is very hard to predict the timing of Mr Market’s ultimate victory over futile efforts of government interveners to thwart him — rather like predicting when the Mississippi River will finally defeat Corp of Engineers efforts to keep it flowing through the Big Easy.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-04 14:13:55

News from LV.. Henderson’s Ritz Carlton is in foreclosue, as is the other hotel. You can get a 2/2 condo with low hoa($65.00) for $49,000. IF you want to live in LV area. Oh, and the occupancy in both hotels is 7% currently.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 17:18:20

“Oh, and the occupancy in both hotels is 7% currently.”

I assume you misspoke and meant vacancy?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-04 08:13:36

It seems fairly stagnant here in Virginia Beach/Norfolk.

I’m seeing more of the “We buy houses” signs all over, mainly at stoplights.

The problem is there is just tons of stupid people. I know people trying to buy right now. It takes work and knowledge to beat the rents down, and almost always your rental is going to suck and landlord/prop mgmt be evil or a nut.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 06:51:35

Developments
WSJ dot com tracks the housing market with news, tips and analysis

* Real Estate News: Shadow Inventory, Corus Auction, Toll’s Sale
* September Rents Fall Further in Manhattan
* September 23, 2009, 1:33 PM ET

The Foreclosure Pain May Drag on for Years
By James R. Hagerty

(This is the first installment of a series of posts on the shadow market)

Delays in dealing with home foreclosures are stretching out the pain for the U.S. housing market, as we reported in Wednesday’s Journal. That has stirred lots of debate over whether it is better for the nation to face the pain of millions of foreclosures immediately – to get it over with fast — or to draw the process out over several years in hopes that the economy and housing demand will recover.

It looks like we’re taking the latter course, for better or worse.

The foreclosure process takes about twice as long as it used to for a variety of reasons, including efforts to modify loans to keep borrowers in homes, staffing shortages at loan servicers, bankruptcy filings and a “strategic rationale” by lenders hoping that home prices will recover, says Ivy Zelman, chief executive of Zelman & Associates, a research firm based in Cleveland. In states where foreclosure is a judicial process, it now takes about 19 to 29 months, she says, and in other states it takes 11 to 17 months.

While efforts to modify loans will help some borrowers, she says, they mostly will amount to “kicking the can down the road.”

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-10-04 08:35:04

Kicking foreclosures down the road is stupid because a vacant house is
non-performing and becomes increasing damaged . The government would be better off getting into the rental business than leaving these places vacant . I think in fact this was one sort of the programs during the Great Depression that the gov. would rent back farms to people who lost them so they could remain productive .

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 09:30:52

“Kicking foreclosures down the road is stupid because a vacant house is non-performing and becomes increasing damaged .”

Nobody seems very interested in talking about the massive waste of letting millions of vacant homes crumble from desuetude into a state of dilapidation.

Comment by exeter
2009-10-04 10:48:19

“Nobody seems very interested in talking about the massive waste of letting millions of vacant homes crumble from desuetude into a state of dilapidation.”

Who cares??? So what if they end up back in the ground sooner that they would normally? They came out of the ground, they’ll go back into the ground.

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Comment by tresho
2009-10-04 12:27:28

Nobody seems very interested in talking about the massive waste Massive waste of resources was a key part of the Housing Bubble. At least the Dutch could eat their tulip bulbs.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2009-10-04 13:12:25

Well, in theory we could all live in all the houses. That would require us to recognize their lack of value before we’re willing to “give them away” to the people who would like to live in them, though.

 
 
 
 
Comment by cereal
2009-10-04 11:57:28

The big Feel-Good is Mr Stock Market. If for some unforseen reason it starts rolling back down the hill then all bets are off on perceived housing values.

The gov’t has all its pieces stacked like a house of cards right now. One sneeze from any direction could set a lot of things in motion.

Comment by DD
2009-10-04 14:18:51

Did you see the Samantha Bee focus on how the stock market is currently working, the fast flipping of stocks, the ‘New Thing’.
Very inciteful how this is a completely manipulated market. Nothing solid here.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-04 15:14:18

I thought the house of cards collapsed a year ago………all thats been done is to rebuild it.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-04 15:29:15

That “sneeze” is unemployment and you can count on it.

 
 
 
Comment by SD renter
2009-10-04 06:53:42

Here is san Diego, houses are still getting 5-20 bids for houses under 350K. I will vomit later when I get time.

When is the socialist foreclosure moratorium lifted by the Kremlin?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 07:15:45

Dough-4-Dumps is scheduled to expire on Nov 30. I believe the latest CA foreclosure moratorium ended on Sept 15, but I am not sure whether other similar measures are still in force.

Comment by DD
2009-10-04 14:20:16

I wouldn’t say it is the ’socialist’ moratoriam, but something ordered from those who own the biggest and mostest stocks. They have to protect theirs.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-04 15:31:19

We have a winner. DD has correctly identified the real culprits.

You have problem with Corporate Communist Capitalism©®™, comrades?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 06:57:45

For the curious, a 1-month decline of 11 percent occurs at an annualized rate of

((1-0.11)^12-1)*100 = -75 percent.

Maybe by this time next year, Manhattan rental rates will look almost reasonable (e.g. in the range that one would pay to rent a four-bedroom home in San Diego).

Developments
WSJ dot com tracks the housing market with news, tips and analysis

* The Foreclosure Pain May Drag on for Years
* Real Estate News: Existing-Home Sales Fall, So Many Houses
* September 23, 2009, 5:07 PM ET

September Rents Fall Further in Manhattan
By Dawn Wotapka

Bloomberg News

A flurry of activity from bargain hunters seems to have slowed down the rate of rental declines in Manhattan, but the bleeding continues. The market in New York City’s priciest borough is at levels nearly 10% below 2008’s already depressed numbers. Rents across the Big Apple fell as much as 11% in September from August, according to this month’s Manhattan Rental Market Report, which taps data from more than 10,000 listings located below 155th Street and priced under $10,000 per month. It was released Wednesday by brokerage TDG/TREGNY. (Full report.)

 
Comment by MadBoy
2009-10-04 07:00:47

Wisconsin State Journal runs story about why now is a great time to buy and cites the tx credit, also showing their poster boy, a law school student, from April buying a house he will share with roommates that will help pay the mortgage. The person is quoted as saying the credit really helped him decide to buy.

Quick records check today shows a different mailing address for the new owner of the property who had purchased in April.

If I recall, the credit is only for primary residence, not for income properties, right.

Should this get reported to the IRS?

Comment by Reuven
2009-10-04 09:13:17

well, if he’s living there, I guess it is a “primary residence.” But it’s proof that trying to fix thing with focused tax credits just complicates the tax code and doesn’t fix anything.

Comment by MadBoy
2009-10-04 10:39:32

No, the buyer has another mailing address down in the city assessor records (a place he’s renting). Even the City of Madison gets the assessor database updated within six months.

Comment by Reuven
2009-10-05 09:00:47

The IRS has a form, 3949-A that allows you to report fraud. A corresponding form, Form 211, “Application for Reward for Original Information.” allows one to collect a reward.

Now I don’t know if piecing together information from public records would be considered “Original Information.” But if I had nothing else to do, I would certainly try to scour records for information, piece it together with other information (maybe as simple as what names are on the mailboxes, etc.) and try collecting!

Given how lawmakers like to treat anyone who bought a house he can’t afford as a “victim” in an effort to keep the bubble inflated, I suspect it would be an uphill battle to get the IRS interested and to collect.

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Comment by potential buyer
2009-10-04 10:00:41

In the Bay Area, I’m hearing about lots of investors buying up the foreclosures, so the tax credit is meaningless to them. They are slapping a coat of paint on the fixer uppers and turning around and renting them out.

Comment by cereal
2009-10-04 12:02:58

A lot of peeps just brought homes they can’t afford. They think a bottom is in. What do you think happens to the herd when the market resumes its downward crush?

Can that 3+2 Phoenix 50’s built that J6P bot last month for 140k trend down to 105k under ANY circumstance that you can think of ?

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 07:01:17

* The Wall Street Journal
* AHEAD OF THE TAPE
* SEPTEMBER 24, 2009

Housing Recovery Obstacle: So Many Houses

* By MARK GONGLOFF

Investors expecting an upbeat chapter for housing should brace for a plot twist.

Two key pieces of housing data arrive this week, starting with August home resales, due Thursday from the National Association of Realtors. Economists think existing homes sold at an annualized rate of 5.39 million units last month, up 9% from a year earlier.

On Friday, the Census Bureau reports new-home sales for August. Economists estimate an annualized sales pace of 440,000 units, flat from a year earlier.

Both reports could add to a snowballing consensus that housing is rebounding. A vigorous recovery would be manna for the economy. Home sales spur purchases of fridges and lawn mowers, and rising prices make consumers wealthier and heal bank balance sheets.

But there are reasons to expect a halting recovery at best.

First, the recovery has leaned heavily on tax credits for first-time home buyers and the Federal Reserve’s buying of most new mortgages to keep rates low. The Fed on Wednesday said it would slow its pace of purchases, and the tax credit is set to expire in November.

Meanwhile, an unemployment rate pushing 10% and tighter credit standards are a drag on housing demand, offsetting high affordability.

More important, there are still too many houses on the market — 9.4 months’ worth of existing homes for sale in July, according to NAR data. The backlog is usually closer to six.

Nearly seven million housing units will eventually enter foreclosure, mortgage-backed-securities strategists at Amherst Securities Group, a brokerage firm that deals in MBS, estimated on Wednesday. That could add 1.35 years’ worth of inventory to the market.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 07:09:40

Economic Report
Sept. 25, 2009, 11:11 a.m. EDT
New-home sales flatten out in August
Inventories of unsold homes drop to 17-year low

By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Despite a record drop in prices, sales of new homes flattened out in August after four months of strong increases, the Commerce Department estimated Friday.

Sales of new homes rose a statistically insignificant 0.7% in August to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 429,000 from a downwardly revised 426,000 in July, which was previously reported as 433,000.

Sales were down 3.4% from a year earlier, but were up 30% from the low in January.

Through the first eight months of 2009, sales were down 28% compared with the same period a year ago.

Sales were weaker than the 440,000 annual pace expected by economists surveyed by MarketWatch.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 07:12:42

“Economists think existing homes sold at an annualized rate of 5.39 million units last month, up 9% from a year earlier.”

Pending Sales of Existing Homes in U.S. Rose 6.4% in August
By Vincent Del Giudice and Bob Willis
(Bloomberg)

Sales of existing homes fell in August for the first time since March, dropping by 2.7 percent from a month earlier to 5.1 million at an annual rate, according to a Sept. 24 from the National Association of Realtors.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 07:14:15

You have to really dig into the heart of that Bloomberg article to find the NAR’s August existing home sales figure.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 07:47:17

One thing is for sure: With so many people still viewing a home purchase as a gambling an investing opportunity, the market has not bottomed out.

Developments
WSJ dot com tracks the housing market with news, tips and analysis

* September 24, 2009, 1:46 PM ET

Just a Blip? Why Housing Keeps Bouncing Around

By Dawn Wotapka

It isn’t clear whether the decline in existing home sales for August is the beginning of a new trend or a simply a blip that might reverse in the months ahead. But after several months of positive developments, the mood among some housing executives and analysts is turning more cautious. And demand among home buyers might have cooled.

The latest data from the National Association of Realtors is yet another cause for concern. Even before Thursday’s numbers, housing experts have been worried that the number of foreclosed homes in the pipeline—but not yet on the market—has been growing and unemployment remains a pressing issue that could keep potential home buyers on the sidelines.

Another concern is the looming expiration of the federal tax-credit of up to $8,000 for qualified first-time buyers. The credit helped to feed a surge in July’s existing sales and may have pulled deals from this month’s result.

“A lot of folks accelerated the purchase in July, that took away from August, “ says Thomas Lawler, an independent housing economist in Leesburg, Va.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-04 15:36:34

Are we really a nation run by and reported on by idiots? (rhetorical question)

Spring through fall is the traditional selling season for residential RE. No matter the economy.

It’s not brain science or rocket surgery.

 
Comment by salty
2009-10-04 15:54:02

Homes will be an investment as long as interest rates and inflation remain low enough that the tax credit means interest<growth in home prices due to inflation.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 17:20:31

The tax credit means home prices are generally $8000 or more higher than they would be without the tax credit. I guess I am completely missing the point of your post, unless it is that you are a used home seller trying your hardest to make sense.

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Comment by In Montana
2009-10-04 08:06:25

“snowballing consensus”

lol. works for me!

 
 
Comment by AZgolfer
2009-10-04 07:09:53

Good morning from Phoenix. I am off this fine morning to play golf.

The economy here in Phoenix seems to be getting worse. Front page of the living section of the Arizona Republic has a long story on the family that got the “extreme makeover” house that is in pre foreclosure. The article says the house is 5,300 sq ft and the utility bills were 1,200 a month in the summer. To make matters worse they took out a 400K home equity loan and could not make the payments. Wow really?

A condo on the golf course that I play sold a couple months ago for 56K. I know someone who paid 215K for the same floor play in 2006. I don’t know how much lower prices can go.

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-10-04 07:21:47

Thanks for that info, AZ. I see houses where the electric wheel is spinning like a playing record. Not too many people can afford 1200/mo in utilities. These huge houses in the desert were a bad idea, and how it will play out is anyone’s guess.

Along the same lines are the condos. If the comps have dropped that much and it holds, I expect a lot of the other buyers will walk eventually. 56k may be a deal or the last sucker in, if the HOA goes bad.

Comment by polly
2009-10-04 07:39:42

Ben,

You asked about the Washington Post Friday real estate “chat” a few weeks ago.

Here is a link to the most recent one: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2009/09/18/DI2009091803004.html

One of the early posters was a person who said he and his wife were planning to get the bank to approve them for a short sale in the spring despite the fact that they could easily affort their payments. The post itself is sort of interesting, but what I loved was the response by the Post writer. I can’t believe I actually said that, but…well, lets let her speak for herself:

An important point that nobody seems to talk about: Mortgages have traditionally not been callable debt. Compare your home mortgage to a margin loan taken out from a stock broker to finance purchase of stock shares. If your stock value goes down below a certain level, the brokerage will issue a margin call. You have to pony up more cash or sell some stock, probably at a loss, to bring your indebtedness back into line with the value of the stock. Homeowners don’t get margin calls from their mortgage lenders. Even if the house is worth less than the mortgage, you can continue to live there–without ponying up more cash to reduce the lender’s risk–as long as you continue to pay your monthly debt. Maybe we’ll start to see margin calls on mortgages if more people behave as you plan to.

Fascinating…the chats have taken on a more desparate tone of late. Lots of folks demanding predictions and such. Post writer refuses them, but there must be a lot of them, if she is bothering to use those questions….

Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-10-04 08:19:15

Even if the house is worth less than the mortgage, you can continue to live there–without ponying up more cash to reduce the lender’s risk–as long as you continue to pay your monthly debt. Maybe we’ll start to see margin calls on mortgages if more people behave as you plan to.

Agreed and perhaps the home owners should be allowed to use “mark to fantasy” rules like the big corps do.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-10-04 08:44:01

All the more reason why the Market Makers never should of messed with real estate and used it to create false money by a fake bubble ,riddled with fraud .

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Comment by ozajh
2009-10-04 07:46:37

It’s been a long time between posts, but these comments triggered an old, old itch at the back of my brain about condo’s. (Which I presume are approximately the same legally as the strata-title apartments we have here.)

So, question. Are there mechanisms anywhere for compulsory consolidation of the ownership of a condo block?

I guess I am considering the case where prices drop to a point where the block AS A BLOCK starts to make sense as a rental investment, but a potential investor would not want to deal with (possibly several) minority interests.

By analogy, once you (legally :)) get past a certain ownership point in an Australian company you can simply buy out the remaining shares. (There is obviously a procedure to arbitrate a fair price.)

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-10-04 07:58:21

‘Are there mechanisms anywhere for compulsory consolidation of the ownership of a condo block?’

I don’t know about compulsory, but investors have been doing this with condo conversions in Florida for a while. They have to buy out the last people, but there really isn’t any choice in a reversion. It’s just a question of price.

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Comment by CA renter
2009-10-06 02:55:32

Good to see you again, ajh. :)

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Comment by mrktMaven
2009-10-04 07:55:48

Here in Southside Jacksonville, FBs are walking from their condos and buying relatively cheaper single family homes. Condo fees are around $300 a month. In places where there are special assessments, the fee is in excess of $500. $300 is equivalent to around 40K on a single family home using today’s interest rates on a 30 year loan.

Comment by Reuven
2009-10-04 09:16:41

For years, people here have pointed out that condo fees and HOA fees are ticking-time-bombs and really mean that you don’t own anything.

I hope that one side-effect of this bust is that the entire HOA industry gets eliminated.

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Comment by CA renter
2009-10-06 02:56:41

Amen to that!

 
 
 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-04 08:22:49

Seems like desert homes should have solar panels to assist with electricity usage in the winter. Perhaps if they used 60K of their 400K HELOC to buy solar panels they could have severely cut down the 1200/mo electric bill.

Comment by tresho
2009-10-04 12:32:59

Seems like desert homes With all the good-for-nothing dirt in a desert, it seems to me a logical choice for desert home design would be massive earth berming-type construction. Not much of a problem with water leaks, and the cost of healing/cooling should be drastically lower.

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Comment by oxide
2009-10-04 14:53:33

Earthships are built in the desert for a reason. I guess it’s better to have sun than water.

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-04 15:47:08

My bet on all the development in the desert is future ghost towns.

The increase in population is putting a serious drain on the aquifers and all other water sources. They will eventually run dry from over-consumption. I haven’t looked up the current depletion rates, but is was bad enough 10 years ago. And it takes both the aquifers and rain and snow melt to sustain current consumption.

Current example: CA’s water rationing.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-10-04 16:04:18

I’d love to see a discussion on here about the impact of water shortages going forward.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-04 16:47:12

Yeah that’s the thing that has me interested in Salt Lake City.

But I’m a hedonistic atheist and would be run out of town by the collective on day one.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 17:21:47

I believe SLC has room these days for hedonistic atheists. In fact, they even have coffee shops here and there around town…

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-04 20:19:07

LOL.

Coffee shops in SLC. I didn’t think of that. I think I’d spend 4 hours a day in them (Drunken Doughnuts?). It would be a statement that I’m not a conforming churchgoer and then I could “get lucky” with a young Utarhh gal tired of the religious inquisition.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-04 20:25:16

I betcha they all wear Snuggies from October 15 to April 15 in SLC, even in Starbucks. They are training themselves to become burkha wearers.

While in Black’s Beach in the area a few miles from you, anyone with a Snuggie would be laughed at to death.

Been to BB a dozen times when I was young and studly and I was proud to wear the attire at the time.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-04 07:50:10

In South Scottsdale, the condos just to the west of the Continental golf course are near their 2000 values. I’m interested in places about two miles north of it near the greenbelt. Those are selling for less than one-sixth of my net worth. I think when I can find a place one sixth of my net worth two miles north, about 1400 square feet, I will jump off the fence. It will be about three years.

I can get a decent job at General Dynamics pretty easy. And I could bike to and from work. Even if I work for a few years and they force me to retire or something, I’d have a paid off house where there are: no earthquakes, no icy roads, no tornados, no hurricanes.

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-10-04 08:01:04

Yeah, but what about the wind? We’ve got 48 mph gusts this AM in Kingman.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-10-04 14:21:53

We had 45 to 50 mph gust winds here yesterday.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-04 15:49:30

Took a family vacation to SoCal in 1968…….had one of those fold out camper trailers. I’ll never forget the night we spent in Needles, CA, after camping out in summer heat in West Texas, New Mexico and Arizona the previous 3-4 days.

Wind blowing 30-40 mph all night, temps down into the low 50s…….ahhhhh, the memories…….. :)

Probably why I’ve never “camped” on vacation since……there was a REASON our forefathers moved from tents and sod huts, into residential real estate. :)

Other than leaving out the camping trailer, “National Lampoon’s Vacation” was a documentary of our vacation trips.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 17:26:16

We spent the night in Needles a couple of summers back. The overnight low temperature was 99 degrees Fahrenheit, and our hotel unit had a decrepit window-unit air conditioner which ran all night and failed to cool the room, though its loud mechanical clatter kept us up throughout the night.

Fond memories, indeed…

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-04 20:33:48

Four of us, my two buddies and my girlfriend, had a pop up camper back in 1991 in October. went to Zion Cyn, Bryce Canyon, North Rim Grand Canyon in that order. At Bryce and G.C. my friends would turn on the gas stove in the morning to heat up the place. Umm. I did not notice. I had my girlfriend to heat up the place for me.

We did not know that in late October Bryce (9,000 feet) or North Rim (7,000 feet) would be so cold. But we were still young anyway.

 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2009-10-04 09:36:25

And the 24/7 heat…

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-04 11:21:13

24/7 from May to November. Paradise the other six months.

But even from May to November I notice there are still some very good restaurants (quality of food and quality of service) and I love the monsoon. The LA Fitness indoor pools are cool enough for high intensity fitness swim workouts too.

Can stay out of the sun to keep young but still enjoy the sun.

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Comment by talon
2009-10-04 08:01:58

If you want to see plummeting prices, take a look at some of the downtown condos. Places that had 400K+ prices a couple of years ago are listed in the mid 100s. I saw a 1 br condo in Landmark Towers at Central and Camelback listed for 21,000. The catch is that the HOA is 1000/mo due to the fact that the entire building AC system has to be replaced, but, assuming that the HOA will drop after the job is finished and paid off, that’s not a bad price. Of course, others are still asking ridiculous prices—the building on 4th St. near Chase Field has had units sitting for almost a year with $400K asking prices, and the new building on Monroe had about two lights on in the windows a couple of weeks ago (and those may have been left on by accident for all I know). Others are just sitting—that overpriced faux VIctorian thing on Central and Palm is still vacant, as are those monster twin towers in downtown Tempe (I think construction on is stopped due to financing issues, though they both look about 99% complete).

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-10-04 08:29:41

We’re seeing a lot of that here in Jax, FL. Two bedroom condo-conversions that were selling for 180K at the peak are offered for 45 to 50 thousand.

The other catch, in addition to special assessments, is it’s ‘only cash’ sales. No bank will lend in condo communities with building defect related special assessments.

Comment by dimedropped
2009-10-04 11:49:16

We have them in Orlando area for $10,000-$15,000

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 07:23:49

My views of the asset market situation have some very good company.

Briefing

Unrepentant bears
The end is nigh (again)

Oct 1st 2009
From The Economist print edition
Pessimistic commentators remain anything but convinced by the stockmarket rally

“The bulls’ view of the world was that low bond yields and low inflation should cause high price/earnings ratios,” explains Mr (Albert) Edwards. But in his view the bulls were ignoring the corollary; that low inflation would lead to low earnings growth. When investors cottoned on to the subdued outlook for profits, as they did in Japan, the effect on share prices was dramatic.

Mr Edwards admits that he consistently underestimated the determination of the authorities to prevent a bear market. As they cut interest rates in response to each market wobble, the result was a series of bubbles, first in technology shares and then in housing.

The other bears agree, and see the recent market rally as simply the authorities’ latest attempt to prop up asset prices. George Magnus, an economic adviser at UBS, a big Swiss bank, says: “This recovery is entirely dependent on the unprecedented largesse of governments and central banks. Things may be better than last autumn when there was an imminent threat of a financial collapse but the recovery is built on very short-term foundations.” In particular, businesses emptied their inventories last year; manufacturing has enjoyed a rebound in recent months as companies have stopped slashing stocks, but Mr Magnus argues it is not self-sustaining.

Mr (David) Rosenberg says government incentive schemes have been behind the housing-market rally and the jump in car sales. Activity was similarly boosted in the fourth quarter of 2001 after the Federal Reserve slashed interest rates in response to the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. But he points to the sharp slowing of American car sales in September after the cash-for-clunkers programme ended and thinks the same may occur in housing when a subsidy to first-time buyers expires at the end of November.

Because the recovery is so dependent on government support, the bears think it will soon peter out. Mr Edwards worries that the economy will start to turn down in the first half of next year. Mr Magnus thinks the global economy might be able to eke out a meagre growth rate but “if you don’t have credit growth operating, it is hard to sustain spending while unemployment is still rising.”

The bears argue that although governments may have stabilised the banking system, they have not been able to restart private-sector lending. In America bank lending has been falling rapidly over the past three months while in the euro zone broad-money growth has slipped to just 2.5% year-on-year (see the left panel of chart 2). In recent months consumers in Britain and America, two of the most heavily leveraged economies, have been repaying debt (see the right panel).

The problem, according to Mr Magnus, is that household balance-sheet problems tend to last. “They are often linked to property and property busts which take years to play out,” he says. Mr Edwards thinks the outcome will be a reverse of the 1990s boom, when rising asset prices boosted consumer confidence, spending and the economy. Now that share and house prices have dropped, consumers will increase their savings and reduce consumption, weighing the economy down.

The debt problem will act as a permanent drag on the hopes for recovery. Japan had lots of economic rebounds and stockmarket rallies in the course of the 1990s. Over the entire decade, however, the economy was sluggish and investors lost a large proportion of their money. The Nikkei 225 average, Tokyo’s best-known stockmarket measure, is still only a quarter of its peak, reached at the end of 1989.

The bears think many Western economies will face a similar period in the doldrums. “My forecast is not a V-shaped recovery or a W [a second dip, then recovery] but a long series of Us with periods of expansion followed by contraction,” says Mr Magnus. “There is a lot of volatility but the economy doesn’t really go anywhere.”

Just as monetary easing has not resulted in any surge in lending, the bears also think the fiscal element will run out of steam. “The fiscal stimulus has to end, because we can’t keep expanding the deficit,” says Mr Edwards. Either voters will be unwilling to sanction higher deficits, or the markets will take fright and push up bond yields, killing the recovery by a different method. British political debate is already dominated by the need to cut spending and raise taxes.

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-10-04 08:34:42

‘the result was a series of bubbles, first in technology shares and then in housing’

This is where the current debate doesn’t jive with what we are facing. The idea of bubbles, or manias will get tossed in here or there, but not addressed as the primary problem.

If there were bubbles, the first question should be, when did it start? And we aren’t just talking tech or houses. What about commercial RE?

The thing about price distortions is over-supply. And until the distortion is eliminated, that will continue. I worked at a wireless construction company in the 90’s and there was a huge bubble. To this day, one can drive around Texas and see cell phone towers without antennas all over the state.

Why are builders still putting up houses? IMO, it’s because the fundamental problem of price hasn’t been acknowledged. Instead, we get the constant bottom-picking and government intervention that’s been going on since 2006! This bad situation keeps getting worse because, while almost no one denies a bubble existed, the PTB pretend that policy can be carried out independent of this fact. And they don’t even consider what we should be doing, which is figuring out how our post-bubble economy will function.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-10-04 08:48:54

Bravo Ben ,you nailed it .

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-10-04 09:16:18

Burning both ends of the candle. Unemployment and poverty increasing at one end while house prices are climbing at the other end. Something has to give.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-10-04 09:21:06

“The thing about price distortions is over-supply…” :-)

Is Natural gas a commodity?

Gold & Diamonds…very rare…BUY! BUY! BUY! ;-)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 09:36:16

“IMO, it’s because the fundamental problem of price hasn’t been acknowledged.”

Come to think of it, I cannot recall a single acknowledgment there was housing bubble by either the Fed or the US Treasury Department. Are they still in bubble denial (housing, dot com or otherwise)?

If I missed the press releases that show my error, please post them!

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 09:40:06

“And they don’t even consider what we should be doing, which is figuring out how our post-bubble economy will function.”

If you never acknowledge the existence of bubbles, much less the dependence of Fed policy on inflating and reflating them, then there is no need to bother planning for a post-bubble economy.

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-10-04 11:18:03

If I missed the press releases that show my error, please post them!

Out of curiosity, I began a quick search on the Fed’s own site.

I found nothing that immediately fit the bill, but turned up a number of interesting items, including a March, 2006 letter to the Fed from one Bradley J. Duncan, President of Capital South BancCorp, c.2005-2006, stating his opinion that “If there is a real estate bubble, it is in isolated areas of the country. The regulators should not ‘paint with a broad brush.’” (Mr. Duncan resigned in November of that year.)

An early 2005 report in the Fed Beige Book notes that “The financial industry reported that they are watching carefully to be sure that a real estate bubble does not form in Texas.” (Hah!)

And the Fed makes plenty of white papers available (both internal and third-party in origin) — some of the external papers talk explicitly about a possible real estate bubble …

Boy, they have all sorts of information at their fingertips. I wonder if they read any of it?

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Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-04 11:45:31

An early 2005 report in the Fed Beige Book notes that “The financial industry reported that they are watching carefully to be sure that a real estate bubble does not form in Texas.” (Hah!)

Boy, get caught with your hand in the cookie jar ONCE and they’re still keepin’ an eye on you 20 years later!

 
 
Comment by oxide
2009-10-04 15:07:13

What about Greenspans famous “froth” comment?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 07:29:22

Finance and Economics

Economics focus
The dog that didn’t bark

Oct 1st 2009
From The Economist print edition

In a guest article, Beatrice Weder di Mauro, a member of the German Council of Economic Experts, argues that financial regulators need better incentives

Perhaps the biggest problem is something that economists call “time inconsistency”. Monetary policy is the best-known example of this phenomenon. Central banks try to anchor inflationary expectations by sounding tough. But if the private sector raises wages anyway, central banks are reluctant to tighten policy and cause unemployment. The knowledge that monetary policy suffers from this inconsistency over time undermines the credibility of the initial, hawkish announcement. The same sort of problem affects financial regulators and supervisors. They have incentives to announce a no-bail-out policy in order to encourage their charges to behave prudently. But as soon as crisis strikes, the optimal choice for policymakers differs from the pre-announced policy: the authorities will usually offer support. The banks anticipate this behaviour and run even more risks as a result.

Two other incentive distortions reinforce this bias towards bail-outs. The first is that most supervisors—with the notable exception of America’s Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), which both regulates deposit-taking banks and administers their insurance fund—do not put the capital of their own institution at risk. The second is that a policy of regulatory forbearance may save the supervisor as well as the bank: hiding losses in financial institutions from public scrutiny may also help conceal regulatory and supervisory failure.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 07:39:13

So much gloomy news about the US housing market, so little time to post it all. Wouldn’t a true market capitulation provide welcome relief to this endless plague of agony and angst?

Developments
WSJ dot com tracks the housing market with news, tips and analysis

* September 25, 2009, 10:08 AM ET

‘The Forecast Calls for Pain’: Despite Hopes, Anxiety Bedevils Housing

By James R. Hagerty

This morning came a fresh reminder that foreclosures and anxiety still bedevil the U.S. housing market, despite many investors’ hopes for an imminent rebound.

As KB Home reported a $66 million loss for its fiscal third quarter ended Aug. 31, CEO Jeff Mezger gave this diagnosis: “While tentative indications are that some negative economic trends are slowing or leveling out to varying degrees in certain markets, the ongoing impact of and the potential for increased foreclosures and mortgage delinquencies, higher unemployment, tighter credit standards, and relatively weak consumer confidence make the timing and extent of a sustained rebound still uncertain.”

Or, as the blues singer Robert Cray put it more succinctly, “The forecast calls for pain.”

Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-10-04 08:38:39

Where is there any emerging new economic growth, in vital industries? I little evidence of any such activity.

How can we expect to compete in a global economy, when labor wage levels are driven by the amount of money people are forced to spend on basic housing? This is a far greater stumbling block than the costs of health care.

Until housing costs (in general) drop at least another 30-50%, we will be stuck in endless economic stagnation. And those costs most certainly will drop, when all the economic wizards and politicians give up on their endless schemes. Assuming, that is, that our bankrupt economy doesn’t completely implode first.

Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-10-04 09:19:19

Not to worry. Printing presses are online.

The inflation, I mean economy will turn upward once the banks start lending again.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-10-04 09:30:35

My white pony is still on back order, though. So I hear.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 07:43:55

I’m thinking the “professional investors” driving the current housing market inventory squeeze may turn out to be tomorrow’s knifecatchers through the lens of the rear view mirror, when it finally dawns on them that there is no remaining end user demand into which they can unload their flip attempts.

Developments
WSJ dot com tracks the housing market with news, tips and analysis

* September 25, 2009, 9:11 AM ET

Shadow Market Part II: Banks Avoid Acquiring Foreclosed Homes
By James R. Hagerty

(This is the second installment of a series of posts on the shadow market.)

Banks appear to be resorting more often to a maneuver that helps them avoid acquiring property through foreclosure.

Before banks can acquire homes in foreclosure cases, there is a public auction, often at a county courthouse. These auctions are typically called trustee sales or sheriff sales. Normally, the lender or loan servicer (an entity that collects payments and handles administrative chores including foreclosure) makes a bid well above what investors are willing to pay for the home, and in those cases the bank ends up owning the property. It becomes part of the vast REO (real-estate owned) inventory that banks must sell off.

But sometimes the lender or loan servicer makes a bid low enough to tempt others to step in with a higher offer and win the auction. That has been happening more often lately in some parts of the country.

Sean O’Toole, chief executive officer of ForeclosureRadar.com, a research firm in California, estimates that in August 19% of homes sold in trustee sales in California went to investors rather than to a foreclosing lender, up from just 4% a year earlier.

In Adams County, Colo., part of the Denver metropolitan area, investors bought 16% of homes at trustee sales in the three months ended Aug. 31, up from 5% a year earlier, according to Jon Goodman, a lawyer in Boulder who invests in foreclosed properties. Mr. Goodman says more investors are bidding at these auctions because of “a shortage of regular inventory that works for fix and flips.” In addition, he says, some lenders want to avoid the hassles of acquiring, repairing and selling too many houses.

Andrew Katakis, a veteran investor based in Northern California, who regularly buys homes at trustee sales, confirms that competition from other investors is getting tougher. Lately it has been common for 15 to 30 investors to show up for such sales, compared with three or four at typical sales a few years ago. “Prices are getting bid up,” he says. When he acquires homes at trustee sales, Mr. Katakis aims to resell them within three months, though that isn’t always possible.

Mr. Katakis believes banks have become less eager to acquire homes partly because of new legal restrictions on evictions of owners or tenants. For one thing, banks are reluctant to become landlords. The banks also must consider the costs of acquiring and then selling the homes, including commissions to real estate agents or auctioneers and the costs of renovation, maintenance, insurance and taxes. All of those might absorb 25% to 30% of the value of the property, Mr. Katakis says.

Most buyers at trustee sales are professional investors who aim to resell the properties as soon as possible. So the house probably will be up for resale whether the bank or the investor takes it. But Mr. Katakis argues that professional investors typically are more nimble and efficient than banks in reselling property. If so, that could help us clear through the foreclosure mess a bit faster.

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-10-04 09:13:32

This morning I went to an out-of-the-way estuary in Clearwater to chill with nature. There was a homeless man wading and literally trying to grab fish with his bare hands. When he saw me coming he got out and ran away.

Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-10-04 09:23:13

You know what they say. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime

Comment by DennisN
2009-10-04 09:43:32

A cynic would say “teach a man to fish, and he’ll never go to work again”. ;)

Comment by Temporal
2009-10-04 11:55:14

My father used to say “Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you’ve got competition on the river instead of a loyal customer.”

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-10-04 10:01:01

Teach a man to fish and test him regularly for elevated mercury levels, because you’ve help him ingest all sorts of toxins, but mercury is easy to test for.

That’s what they say these days …

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-04 10:39:58

Teach a man to fish and his wife will be alone on weekends…

Comment by Big V
2009-10-04 10:42:56

Well, without her husband anyway …

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Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-04 11:23:45

:-D

 
Comment by Bad Chile
2009-10-04 12:18:53

Teach a man to fish…and you give him a good excuse to drink all weekend.

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-10-04 14:28:06

Wife will be having peace, quiet and fun. :)

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-10-04 16:08:05

Husband, too.

 
 
 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2009-10-04 10:17:04

Aaah, that’s a darn shame. No-one should go hungry in a civilized country.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-10-04 11:52:07

Teach a man to fish and he will learn to tell fish stories .

Comment by DD
2009-10-04 14:49:41

I know that guy.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-04 14:07:49

He was just sport fishing, breaking up the day, there’s plenty of food for the homeless.

 
 
Comment by Va Beyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-04 09:57:07

Just went to check out a soprano sax that was forsale, that I thought might be a deal. Not a deal, chinese stuff. But I found out later that the whole house was for sale (shouldn’t have used my bubbleboy email oops). There were people coming to the open house it seemed. $375K in Norfolk. Nicer than many others but I wasn’t feeling it. Lots of things added on.

 
Comment by Anthony
2009-10-04 10:07:52

It has been quite a while since I posted from the drug capital of the world, Humboldt county California.

Home prices here remain only 15% below the all-time peak, and I am seeing more sales than I have at anytime in the last 3 years. The latest feel-good article from a hack at our local rag sums it up well: Humboldt is special, different, etc. and that is why are prices relative to the rest of the state have moved very little:

http://www.times-standard.com/business/ci_13432325#

Makes me really sick. At this point, I won’t buy here and am trying desperately to move out of state.

Comment by Big V
2009-10-04 10:45:30

Chin up, Ant.

The article says houses are down 21% there, not 15%. Besides, you need to move somewhere with younger people anyway. And the cops are starting to get serious about cracking down on pot growers, what with all the fires and kidnappings and all, so Humboldt should dry up soon.

But really, you need to move somewhere with more young people. I think that’s most important for you.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-10-04 16:09:59

I give it three years before they legalize pot in CA as a source of revenue. They’ll still go after the independent growers, though.

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2009-10-04 10:52:28

Was just chatting with a buddy in So California this morning. His mother is in her late 80’s now, and still fairly active. She hasn’t worked in years, and her husband didn’t leave her with anything. Twenty plus years ago she transferred the title to her paid off home to her daughter who watches her financial affairs. Yup, you guessed it right!! Turns out the daughter borrowed heavily against the place at the top of the market, and she has been without a job now, for months. Apparently she’s been out shopping, Cathy Lee style, at the stores where someone’s playing the grand piano, etc., pretending to be a high roller. Wonder how many seniors have been played like this across Bubble land?

Comment by Joe Lawyer
2009-10-04 12:09:38

Good. I am sick of the elderly transferring assets to their kids and then bemoaning their poverty.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-10-04 16:11:36

The apple doesn’t usually fall too far from the tree. Children usually reflect the values, or lack thereof, instilled in them by their parents.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-10-04 18:41:15

Sammy,
Or do a 180, as in my case. My mother is my anti-role model. She’s a Narcisissit, with no concept of $ or morals.

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2009-10-05 05:51:27

I think it’s a shame.

 
 
 
Comment by ACH
2009-10-04 10:57:23

You can get a free ShamWow mop with your ShamWow order. Call Within The Next 20 Minutes Because The ShamWow Guy Can’t Do This All Day.

I find this comforting. BTW, you get more ShamWows than before, too!

Roidy

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-04 12:10:12

Today is the last day of the Austin City Limits Festival in Zilker Park. It’s a 3-day pain in the neck, cars parked solid lining the streets of Zilker neighborhood - you can’t comfortably go for a walk or ride a bike and can’t easily get access to the trail in the park.

Yesterday it was raining, so although the event went on, the advertising banner plane wasn’t droning overhead all day and it hasn’t started today. That’s good.

Friday afternoon for a while I was working in the yard and heard some music, nice. The problem is that after it gets going, the event has 8 stages with bands on all of them at once - even with breaks, there’s always 6 going. All we hear up here is cacaphony.

Tonight 8-10 for the grand finale, there will only be one band playing - Pearl Jam. (Last year was Foo Fighters.) Predictions are for thunderstorms, so the whole thing will probably be cancelled. Too bad, I’d like to hear Pearl Jam (as well as I can from my deck) and see the fireworks. Oh well. At least it will be over for another year.

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-04 12:11:40

Sorry, cacophony.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-04 15:11:26

Drove to San Diego yesterday, waved out the window to Professor around 0700, but don’t think he waved back. Gorgeous day. Coming home, OMG. Jammed fwy I15, cause.. MIramar Naval station and the Blue Blurs overhead. “I feel the need to speeeeed”.
Well that is what I call em anyway. The entire Miramar naval station airport used to be surrounded by fields, farms, fields and more farms. Now the entire zone is walltowall, and Poway- did a drive through of H’s childhood home. Poway for him used to be one 80 ac farm who he gardened for as a kid. Now the original KIT home built in 1928 on .78 ac is surrounded by homes/condos, townhomes you name it. Even when I went through there in the mid 70s, nothing like this. Isn’t there a mt that can not be built on?Or flood plain? Anyway, we just happened to be standing in front of the house, and the (now 2nd owner) drives up and he invited us in, showed H the property, the original water tower, and grounds. The house was a trip, almost all original. An Aladdin Kit home bought for $998.- inside the photo album the now owner who bought from orig owners-’83 showed us photos from the 50s-70s land everywhere, far and wide. And a newspaper flyer that stated to people it was better to buy a house than to buy a car. 1947…..
Outstanding day.
Went through Ramona, then a battlefield, then Escondido, home.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 17:27:59

“Miramar Naval station and the Blue Blurs overhead.”

We were there, taking in the air show…

 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-10-04 16:16:08

And SRV lives on in Austin no matter how dead he is.

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-04 17:17:23

Much missed by all, especially the “in recovery” community.

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-04 17:57:39

SRV started a foundation to help addicts get into recovery programs.

And he used to play at a big substance-free New Year’s Eve party so that the recovering community could enjoy the best New Year’s Eve party in town!

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Comment by exeter
2009-10-05 06:04:06

Mr. Wilson is a friend of a few of us here.

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Comment by Bad Chile
2009-10-04 12:20:57

FYI, just found what is the first mention I’ve seen of the Great Recession in the print media:

www [dot] msnbc.msn.com/id/33127705/ns/business-personal_finance/

Comment by Big V
2009-10-04 12:28:00

Oh, I’ve seen that a thousand times. I’m calling it the Big Recession though. I like that better.

The Big Recession

Has a nice ring to it.

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-10-04 12:35:05

Ohhh. Big Recession does have a better ring to it, you’re right.

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-10-04 13:45:26

Yes Little Jimmy, ah remember the start of the Big Recession, back in aught-eight it was, or maybe aught-seven… a couple years afore they run out all the Realtors(TM) anyways.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 17:29:27

I’m partial to the Great Repression, perhaps because I coined it, but also because it reflects the absurd levels of denial that prevail among the green shoots crowd.

 
 
Comment by Uruguay Real Estate
2009-10-04 12:23:27

well, i like to come on here every 6 months or so and update everyone on the other side of the world.

when let me catch you up….

i had a ‘working theory’ that a lot of the higher end real estate was being inflated by ‘equity locusts’ - people from us, canada, and spain who were taking out huge equity withdrawals from existing properties to finance purchases of 300k-500k homes in uruguay (and more).

why?

because the market here is ‘more or less’ cash and carry — that’s right no mortgages. recently there are some govbank backed loans for a few selected properites at much lower prices in areas targeted for rehab, but it’s a tiny fraction of the market.

so, the result of the crash up north should result in a healthy pullback in the market here right???? bzzzzt. wrong. (so far).

after a brief bought of uncertainty at the beginning of the year where things just sorta stagnated…(very few HAVE to sell, because no loans, low low taxes, and no need for insurance really their carry costs are incredibly low)

since then, an imploding argentina conversly has flooded the uruguay real estate market as a ’safe haven’ (i guess). property ownership rules are very good here for foreigners and the bank secrecy and relative stability are still things that the argentines (who are fleeing) and brazilians (who are doing much better still) are after.

the result is that, each month, especially the properties in the ‘destination’ locations (holiday spots) seem to defy gravity in the face of everything happening around the globe.

i was very early calling the property bubble and subsequent collapse in the us, and here i’ve been so early i’ve been basically “wrong” :)…so far…

it’s an interesting model though — no loans :)

it makes affordability tough, keeps prices down (a bit), and basically makes houses and property frequently an heirloom type of thing — even for homes you wouldn’t think of deserving the title by traditional standards. for expats like me, apartments are big sellers — especially for snowbirders who take advantage of the reversed seasons to live their own version of ‘endless summer’ without the fear/issue of squatters (which get crazy rights in this overly socialist country).

many of the apartments are up over 50% in price over last year in punta del este (a ritzy resort town down here). sounds bubblicious right? i said the same thing last year when they were up 38%

i guess it’ll end someday…in the meantime i’ll proudly wear the ‘bitter renter’ monicker :)

uruguay guy

Comment by CA renter
2009-10-06 03:20:45

Thanks for the info, uruguay. I’m sorry you have to deal with being a “bitter renter,” too.

While the lower end areas have been fairly well hit (and are being bid-up again), the higher end areas are still very lofty. Lots of people listing their homes at above-peak prices, and many of them actually getting it!

Hopefully, we bears will be right. When and if that happens is the $64 trillion question.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-04 12:30:30

Germany’s “Cash for Clunkers” program worked the way it did in the U.S. As soon as taxpayers stopped subsidizing people who turned in their old cars for more fuel-efficient new ones auto sales fell sharply.

The Germans didn’t call it “Cash for Clunkers.” “Scrapping bonus” was the term, and it ended September 2nd. Car sales promptly fell in September to half what they were in August. Many buyers are having second thoughts. They got rid of their paid-for older cars and now are saddled with car payments and higher insurance premiums.

Klunkers Kaput.

 
Comment by rms
2009-10-04 12:41:34

Here’s another California mortgage broker about to face the music.
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/story/870390.html

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-10-04 13:47:01

What happened to the 146 strikes and you’re out law?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-10-04 14:26:33

“…If Wilson cannot repay investors at least $1 million to $2 million, he will have to serve 20 years and four months, according to Judge Edward Bullard’s order.”

As I’ve said many many times… a sliding rule for “economic crimes” is the most simple & sensible “solution” to this type of “Behavior” :-)

Financial “Damage” amount:
$100,000 = 5 years
$1,000,000 = 10 years
$10,000,000 = 25 years
$100,000,000 = Life, no parole

All above doubled if convicted of prior “financial activities” :-)

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-10-04 16:15:12

Incarcerating someone costs about $60K a year. I’d rather put them on mobile chain gangs that do productive work, like picking up trash or tearing down derelict buildings.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-04 12:53:20

Great time for US consumers: America is on sale
One benefit of US recession is the boon to consumers:

NEW YORK (AP) — There has never been a better time to be a consumer.

The Great Recession has caused massive job losses and hardship for millions, but it has also fostered a shoppers’ paradise. Anyone who still has the means to spend can find unheard of deals.

Prices on everything from clothes to coffee to cat food are dropping, some faster than they have in half a century. Items rarely discounted — like Tiffany engagements rings — are now. The two biggest purchases most people make — homes and new cars — are selling at steep price reductions.

“This is the new normal,” says Donald Keprta, president of Dominick’s, a supermarket chain in the Midwest, which just cut prices by as much as 30 percent on thousands of items. “We aren’t going back.”

Consumers like Karen Wilmes, a mother of two in Hopkinton, R.I., relish the steals. During a recent trip to Shaw’s Supermarkets, she bought a basketful of goods, including Eggo waffles, Kleenex tissues and Betty Crocker cake mix. The retail price: $63.89. Wilmes paid $7.31 by buying items on sale and using coupons.

“The deals out there are unbelievable,” says Wilmes, 36, who writes the Frugal Rhode Island Mama blog, which tracks local and national bargains. “We can put the money I save toward something else.”

And she’s doing just that, but only when she can find another deal. Wilmes and her husband recently bought a Samsung television from Best Buy’s Web site for $1,299, about $300 less than she found at other stores. She also got free delivery and another $13 back from ebates.com, which receives commissions from online retailers for directing customers their way.

What’s happening now has been building for years. Wal-Mart Stores Inc. introduced “every-day low prices” many years ago. Amazon.com redefined the idea of bargain prices during the late 1990s when it helped introduce online shopping. After the 2001 recession, automakers introduced zero-percent financing to boost sales. McDonald’s “Dollar Meals” made fast food even cheaper.

Comment by CA renter
2009-10-06 03:23:22

While I was really hoping for nice, deflationary-style prices, I’m just not seeing them. Some prices are down a bit, but not nearly enough, given the economic “crisis.”

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-04 13:29:08

Help with mortgages is difficult to come by
Firms that get tax dollars to help homeowners include some cited for abuses.
McClatchy Newspapers Sunday, Oct. 04, 2009

It took months for Iredell County’s Donna and Ronnie Fruia, who were going through a series of health crises, to get a loan modification.

Donna and Ronnie Fruia learned firsthand how difficult it can be to get help modifying a mortgage.

The couple from Troutman were in the midst of a series of health crises, and three members of the family - the couple’s son, Donna’s mother and Ronnie - were in the hospital.

That’s when Donna got a call that somebody from her mortgage company, CitiFinancial, had shown up in her husband’s hospital room, where he was recovering from a stroke.

“At the time, I couldn’t even really talk that good,” Ronnie said. “But he wanted me to sign a bunch of papers.”

The Iredell County couple had been trying to get a mortgage modification from CitiFinancial. The company, however, was pushing them to accept a modification that wouldn’t have cut their interest rate, they said.

Only after the episode in the hospital room and the involvement of state regulators did CitiFinancial cut the mortgage’s interest rate from 11.5percent to 5 percent, lowering their monthly payment from $985 to $602. The process took from the start of the year until July.

Housing advocates say the mortgage servicer industry has long resisted helping customers with modifications. Now, the federal government is engaged in a massive program that’s on track to send billions in tax dollars to an industry that has been criticized for abusive mortgage practices.

Some of the money is going to the very companies that judges or regulators have cited in recent years. The firms have been cited for badgering, manipulating or lying to their customers; sticking them with bogus fees; or improperly foreclosing on them.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-10-04 16:18:13

That’s because Republicrat politicians, elected by idiots, are on the take from those very same financial services companies, not the dolts who pull the lever for Tweedle Dum or Tweedle Dee every election. They’ll continue to fleece the rubes on Main Street to pay off their string-pullers on Wall Street.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-04 14:05:04

Chateau Petrus ‘82 Fetches Record $94,000 at Hong Kong Auction

Oct. 5 (Bloomberg) — A 6-liter bottle of Chateau Petrus 1982, a vintage described by the seller as smelling of prunes and spices, fetched a record HK$726,000 ($94,000) at a sold-out auction of fine wines in Hong Kong, spurred by Chinese buying.

The imperial, the equivalent of eight standard bottles of wine, went to an unidentified Asian bidder after a tug-of-war of several minutes yesterday. All but five of the 1,010 lots offered over the weekend sold at auction, fetching a combined HK$61.5 million, compared with host Sotheby’s presale estimate of HK$47.8 million. The last five lots were sold privately after the auction, according to Sotheby’s spokeswoman Rhonda Yung.

Estimates don’t include a 21 percent buyer commission. Consignors’ charges vary.

“The lots were priced rather low, probably to attract buyers,” said George Tong, a Hong Kong-based toy-factory owner and wine collector who said he has a 5,000-bottle cellar.

Citing a three-bottle, double-magnum lot of Chateau Petrus 1989 with a top estimate of HK$280,000, Tong said the same wine recently sold for 7 percent higher in London. The Hong Kong lot fetched HK$387,200 at yesterday’s auction.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-04 17:49:42

Party on Wayne!

Party on Garth!

 
 
Comment by ATE-UP
2009-10-04 14:15:29

Ted Williams is the purest hitter in baseball. They are hitting his decapicated head with wrenchs to get it off a tuna can. I am sick.

He could have sat out that last double header (3 year WW11 veteran in prime), but didn’t. I mean preserve the LAST 400 BA.

Instead, he went 6/8 .406.

I am sick.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 17:32:16

Severed head of San Diego legend Williams allegedly mistreated
October 2, 5:35 PMSan Diego News Examiner
Dave Thomas

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-04 16:40:54

America is on sale…

“The Great Recession has caused massive job losses and hardship for millions, but it has also fostered a shoppers’ paradise. Anyone who still has the means to spend can find unheard of deals.”

http://tinyurl.com/ye4fhn6

About two years ago I figured I could loud up on 40 inch flat screens, Bose stereo systems, maybe a Jaguar XF series (3 years old, certified) for bargains.

But I did not forsee hourly rates going down for contract engineering and especially no overtime work. So I’ve been loading up on T-bills paying a whopping 0.4 percent (four tenths of one percent) annual yield.

I’ll pass up on the Jaguars and 40 inch screens for now and continue to be stingy on spending.

So my question is: Who is doing the buying? Obama’s gang in D.C.? Doctors? Dentists? Attorneys? Other than employees in health care, law, collection agencies, the foreclosure industry, and government, I cannot think of anyone who is not saving like a squirrel to gather up emergency-only spending money.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-04 17:55:50

Nobody is buying. Haven’t you been keeping track of the news?

Retail spending (new, used, underground) is way, way down. Seriously. Residential and commercial RE aren’t the only things the lenders are eating.

Most of the new purchase plates that I’m seeing on cars are for used cars.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-04 18:02:33

Everybody I know in the public/quasi-public sector (government employees, government contractors, health care minus dentists and doctors doing uninsured procedures) is holding their own.

Everybody I know in the private sector is bring truckloads of stuff to their bunkers. Those that are still drawing a paycheck, anyway.

I quaintly used to think that government needed this thing they used to call a “tax base” to survive.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-04 19:27:44

None of us (myself included) know what the proper allocation of investing is: Municipal bonds yielding 3.25% after expenses, T-bills at 0.4%, gold, dividend stocks, growth (no dividend stocks).

Whoever has 100% of his investments in one of those classes the next ten years, he has a 25% chance of getting the most bang for the most buck.

Might as well work for a living. Thank you for shopping at K-mart.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 17:37:57

Renters, beware of debtbeat landlords. Is it possible for a renter to order a credit check on their landlord?

* The Wall Street Journal
* HOUSE TALK
* OCTOBER 2, 2009, 4:11 P.M. ET

What Happens When Landlord Stops Paying the Mortgage?

By JUNE FLETCHER

Q: Three years ago, I began renting a brand-new house. I want to stay here. But there are a lot of foreclosures in the neighborhood, and some of my friends who are also renters have had to leave when their landlords stopped paying their mortgages. I’m scared this will happen to me. What should I do if it does?

—Miami

A: RealtyTrac dot com has reported almost 430,000 foreclosure filings this year alone in Florida, so I understand your worries. But you have an added reason for concern: You live in a house that was built at the height of the housing boom. Home prices have declined precipitously since then. It’s quite possible that your landlord owes more than the house is worth. That heightens the temptation to stop paying the mortgage, and let the house revert to the bank.

Should that happen to you, section 702 of a federal law that was passed in May, the Protecting Tenants at Foreclosure Act, allows you to stay until the end of your lease, plus an additional 90 days. However, if the new owner plans to occupy the house full-time, he can terminate your lease immediately and give you 90 days to find a new place. Similarly, you’ll have 90 days notice if you are on a month-to-month lease. (Unless it is extended, this new law will end on Dec. 31, 2012.)

In order for you to enjoy this protection, however, you must be current on your rent. Unfair as it may seem when the landlord isn’t paying his bills, he still owns the property until it goes on the auction block. If you don’t pay what you owe, he can write to you giving you three business days to pay up or move. If you don’t, he can start legal action to evict you. If the court rules in his favor or you don’t respond to the lawsuit, you could be evicted within 24 hours.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 17:41:26

* The Wall Street Journal
* OPINION
* OCTOBER 4, 2009, 6:56 P.M. ET

Time for a TARP Exit Strategy
The remaining $330 billion should go to deficit reduction.

By JOHN THUNE

A year ago our country was in the midst of a serious crisis, with large financial institutions teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. There was a very real danger credit markets would freeze and the economy would grind to a halt.

Faced with that threat, Congress passed the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) to help stabilize the economy. Originally designed and proposed as a straightforward measure to help failing banks get toxic assets off their books while they regained their financial footing, TARP was subsequently used by the Treasury Department to acquire extensive ownership interests in private businesses.

Our financial markets are no longer in free fall and the crisis has receded. Yet we now find ourselves in a troubling situation where the federal government is a major owner of more than 600 U.S. financial institutions and banks, as well as two auto makers, an international insurance conglomerate, and numerous other businesses.

Without a date certain, the government’s unprecedented entanglement in the private sector could drag on for years with more vague reassurances from the Treasury department that things will change “soon.” If the administration cannot come up with a plan on its own, then Congress has a responsibility to act.

To that end I’ve introduced the Government Ownership Exit Plan, which would ensure that the federal government sells its ownership stake within a reasonable time frame. Whether we move forward under a plan developed by the administration or the legislative framework I’ve introduced is not important. It simply needs to be done.

We also need to ensure that any TARP funds recouped from the sale of assets are dedicated to deficit reduction, not more spending or more government takeovers. TARP was created in response to a very specific—and temporary—financial emergency. It was never intended to become a $700 billion slush fund for whatever business experiment the administration sets its eyes on.

This dangerous mixture of politics and industry is bad for business, bad for the economy, and bad for the American taxpayer. TARP has run its course. The time for ending it is now.

Mr. Thune is a Republican senator from South Dakota.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 17:46:58

Oct. 4, 2009, 12:43 p.m. EDT

Greenspan predicts unemployment will hit 10%
Former Fed Chairman recommends against new stimulus plans

By Dan Gallagher, MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan predicted Sunday that the nation’s unemployment rate is likely to top 10% in coming months before the situation begins to improve.

“My own suspicion is that we’re going to penetrate the 10% barrier and stay there for a while before we start down,” he said.

Greenspan’s remarks came just two days after the Labor Department reported an unemployment rate of 9.8 percent, the highest jobless figure since 1983. See story

No new stimulus

Greenspan said lawmakers should not consider new stimulus plans in response to weak job figures and other “soft” data.

“Oh, no new stimulus for two reasons. One, only 40 percent of the first stimulus has been in place. And there is a considerable debate going on in the economics profession about how effective this stimulus package is,” he said. “So in my judgment, it’s far better to wait and see how this momentum that has already begun to develop in the economy carries forward.”
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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 17:48:08

Oct. 4, 2009, 11:02 a.m. EDT
Geithner says risks remain to global economies
Public support of financial sector will withdraw ‘when time is right’

By Dan Gallagher & Nick Godt, MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — While global economic growth is likely to improve next year, U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner warned Sunday that risks remain that will require cooperation of the world’s economic leaders.

“While global growth is forecast to accelerate in 2010, output gaps will persist, unemployment may rise further, and downside risks remain,” Geithner said in a statement issued from Group of Seven meeting in Istanbul, Turkey.

He added that while planning for an eventual exit from heavy government support of the financial sector is necessary, the world is not yet in a position to do so.

“When the time is right, credible exit strategies will be prepared to begin gradually withdrawing public sector support in a way that is cooperative and coordinated but does not jeopardize the recovery,” he said. “As IMF Governors, we have an important responsibility to work collaboratively to advance the reform agenda to support a durable recovery and head off future crises.”

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 17:55:29

Will California become America’s first failed state?

Los Angeles, 2009: California may be the eighth largest economy in the world, but its state staff are being paid in IOUs, unemployment is at its highest in 70 years, and teachers are on hunger strike. So what has gone so catastrophically wrong?

o Paul Harris
o The Observer, Sunday 4 October 2009
o Article history

Patients without medical insurance wait for treatment in the Forum, a music arena in Inglewood, Los Angeles. The 1,500 free places were filled by 4am. Photograph: John Moore/Getty Images

California has a special place in the American psyche. It is the Golden State: a playground of the rich and famous with perfect weather. It symbolises a lifestyle of sunshine, swimming pools and the Hollywood dream factory.

But the state that was once held up as the epitome of the boundless opportunities of America has collapsed. From its politics to its economy to its environment and way of life, California is like a patient on life support. At the start of summer the state government was so deeply in debt that it began to issue IOUs instead of wages. Its unemployment rate has soared to more than 12%, the highest figure in 70 years. Desperate to pay off a crippling budget deficit, California is slashing spending in education and healthcare, laying off vast numbers of workers and forcing others to take unpaid leave. In a state made up of sprawling suburbs the collapse of the housing bubble has impoverished millions and kicked tens of thousands of families out of their homes. Its political system is locked in paralysis and the two-term rule of former movie star Arnold Schwarzenegger is seen as a disaster – his approval ratings having sunk to levels that would make George W Bush blush. The crisis is so deep that Professor Kenneth Starr, who has written an acclaimed history of the state, recently declared: “California is on the verge of becoming the first failed state in America.”

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-04 19:23:05

California’s Republicans have for decades been far more socialist than the Blue Dogs at the national level. In Sacramento the arguments are what level of extreme socialism should be in force: Maximum or extreme?

California politics have long been a joke.

I held a minor California political office in 1982/1983 as Libertarian Party member when I was 23. Even back then it was Republican socialism or Democrat Communism? Pick your punch.

Then I got a job and realized there are ways to greatly reduce your taxable income and politics don’t matter anyway.

I have been in the golden state 29 out of my 50 years. I see loons and I see atheist hedonists (I saw one a moment ago when I looked in the mirror). It does not matter if you are happy.

My state of official residence is one of the poorest performers in education while California does one of the best jobs in educating kids.

Even if California goes communist I would live here from time to time. I don’t give a rat’s a$$ about any California politician. Because I am in charge anyway.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 19:42:17

“Even if California goes communist I would live here from time to time.”

You make a point on which I have often reflected. Even though the politics in this state is whacked, it is a beautiful place to hang out…

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-04 20:14:11

Like I say - Harry Browne “How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World.”

It works in California too.

You can find ways to get your taxable income to single digit percentages. http://www.irs.gov tells me how.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 19:45:17

I guess not everyone wants to live here any more? Astronomically high home prices don’t help people who might otherwise like to stick around. It is awfully nice of the Fed to step in and prop up housing prices, as the traffic on California freeways gets better by the day…

Now, incredibly, California, which has been a natural target for immigration throughout its history, is losing people. Between 2004 and 2008, half a million residents upped sticks and headed elsewhere. By 2010, California could lose a congressman because its population will have fallen so much – an astonishing prospect for a state that is currently the biggest single political entity in America. Neighbouring Nevada has launched a mocking campaign to entice businesses away, portraying Californian politicians as monkeys, and with a tag-line jingle that runs: “Kiss your assets goodbye!” You know you have a problem when Nevada – famed for nothing more than Las Vegas, casinos and desert – is laughing at you.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-04 20:00:29

“Between 2004 and 2008, half a million residents upped sticks and headed elsewhere.”

Let’s guess that 50 percent of those were homeowner households, and lived with 2 per household. That would imply those 1/2 million departed Californians left behind 0.50*500,000/2 = 125,000 empty homes. Does that sound reasonable?

 
 
Comment by Silverback1011
2009-10-05 06:29:51

Swimming pools n movie stars ! The Beverly Hillbillies. Well, at least they could go back home in their rickety ole truck.

 
 
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