October 16, 2009

Bits Bucket For October 16, 2009

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Comment by Novusordoseclorum
2009-10-16 04:40:10

Pensions: Don’t worry. Keep the payouts constant and just inflate the currency into oblivion. You will still get your $2000/month but it will only buy a couple loaves of bread. Just ask the Russian 120 Ruble-month pensioners from 1985. When they collapsed the old people sold their medals in a huge flea market at Moscow’s football stadium and/or drank themselves to death. Average life expectancy in Russia dropped about 8 years. You can’t eat McMansions.

Goldman: Annuit Coeptis. They will continue to rule. Get over it. John Crudele has been documenting this well for a year. Golden Rolodex Effect.

Housing: Q3 was a record foreclosure period. Get ready for the second leg down. The banks can only hold supply back until the next quarter. I am seeing the condo market implode in nyc.

E Pluribus Unum: NYC is filling with Chinese speculators who want to buy properties and use them as a pretext to immigrate 50 of their friends. They dont want our T-bills anymore, especially when they can get $40k/person for US citizenship papers. Nice and polite until they take over the neighborhood. Local and global observation. Not much tolerance for slackers. Like it.

Weather: This will be a cold, dangerous winter. Asian speculators are already gearing up to jack up prices. Maybe we can finally change the ecology discussion from Global Warming to conservation. I love how Green politics did not take off until someone showed Goldman how they could profit from Cap and Trade.

Geopolitics: IDF will land and take out Iran’s Bushehr plant via suicide special forces. The sub-based infantry /air attack will hit in January will freak out global markets as Iran takes out a bunch of Kuwaiti tankers in retaliation.

TRIVIA: 1 Dollar bill- look at the shield frame around the top right corner of the “1″. A tiny owl sits on the top left side of the shield. Neat trick to show the kids.

Masonry: does anyone know when they are going to elevate Brother Obama to 33rd Degree?

Comment by jim
2009-10-16 05:32:18

OWL- I was always told it’s a spider, which goes along with the webwork sort of desigin around the edges of the bill, although I could see an owl too maybe.

Comment by SD renter
2009-10-16 06:36:45

I wanted to start the friday and weekend with what was apparently voted Best performance on you tube.

It is Alec Baldwin’s famous speech to down and out LAND salesmen. Since these slime are selling grossly overpriced land to FBs, I thought this would be fitting for the Bits Buckets.

The movie is Glengarry Glen Ross which some of you have seen. It stars Jack Lemon & Al Pacino who are tremendous.

http://twurl.nl/ezy46w

What’s your favorite line? Mine is “coffee is for closers, put the coffee down.”

Comment by Danger
2009-10-16 07:49:49

That quote is the only thing I remember about that movie. That and that it was raining all of the time, and I like rain!

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-10-16 09:25:28

Then you’re having a good morning if you live hereabouts, because it’s raining nicely here. Hooray! I love rain! And just think…months and months more of it…ahhhhh.

Morning, Rancher! Is it raining there where you are, too?
I’m on my first cup, a dark roasted Trader Joe’s blend steaming in a robust nonsense white mug with dancing coffee beans adorning it, and a spoon I decorated by engraving earthworms and snails on it.
Today I’m going to torment someone who deserves it, I’ve decided.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-10-16 09:29:17

And a Good Morning to you “Defective Design Flaw”

;)

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-10-16 09:53:47

Har de har. Thanks for reminding me of my deficiency .
But Good Morning to you, anyway. :)

I’m not on a bike at the moment, so the design flaw doesn’t show. So there. Every now and then I try to ride my chair down the nice long shiny-floored hallway, and it shows then, sure enough.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 08:03:53

Timely post. That movie came out in the early 1990s, during the last substantial real estate bust. Of course, the one at hand dwarfs the early-1990s bust…

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Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-16 08:06:09

On the old f’ed company site they’d post that speech every day. So I bought the DVD so I could be in on the joke as well. The one speech is the best part.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-10-16 08:47:06

Well right, but during the time between that movie’s release and up until about a a year or so ago, selling RE really wasn’t all that demanding?

In fact if you look at a lot of the condo projects and gated communities where they had an on-site “sales office” it was a pretty good gig. Apparently “too” good to last? I have no qualms w/ someone selling, after all, this IS America, it’s what we do.

And this is what makes it so frustrating, Ed Harris and Jack Lemmon SHOULD have been getting high commissions given what an uphill battle it must have been to move RE “at-the-time!” But paying out 6% comm. when people were falling all over themselves to through money at you was just plain stupid. That’s how commissions are supposed to work.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-10-16 08:13:21

Yeah… that is one classic scene and a great movie.

Nobody in America should be allowed to graduate from HS without seeing it !

Thanks :)

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Comment by SD Renter
2009-10-16 09:34:43

My 2nd favorite line is:

“First place is a new car…
2nd place is steak knives…
3rd place is YOU’RE FIRED.”

 
 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 07:00:45

Incipit Comoedia -I knew this was all predicted on the back of the dollar bill! The pyramid refers to our Egyptian president. Or maybe our ponziconomy?

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-10-16 07:02:11

Chinese, housing: John Mauldin’s newsletter this week transmits (someone else’s) interesting analysis of the housing bubble IN China and how it seems near a popping point. Prices in some areas of China have already begun their descent. If their bust gets really bad, this would also impact countries such as Australia that supply raw materials to China.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-10-16 07:08:43

Is it safe to say they used Chinese drywall in new Chinese houses?

Comment by Yensoy
2009-10-16 08:30:12

No. They build homes with concrete and bricks, maybe some radioactive granite and marble.
The crappy drywall is only for Americans.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 09:31:13

I don’t want a concrete ceiling, especially in an earthquake zone. (But I agree most recently-built American houses are POS.)

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-10-16 10:00:11

“I don’t want a concrete ceiling, especially in an earthquake zone.”

Interesting point; at some point I’d really like to build a house that is mostly-concrete for high thermal-mass(probably dry-stack block with reinforcing steel and some channels filled in with concrete), w/passive solar design (active for hot-water), masonry heater, radiant heat in the floors, maybe straw-bail insulated perimeter for thermal mass and crazy-high R-value, and old-fashioned 50-yr stucco (not the new cr*p) for a no-maintenance exterior.

But I’ll have to think about the concrete ceiling thing, given Seattle’s earthquake potential. Maybe enough reinforcing steel & wire-mesh can make it reasonably low-risk?

 
Comment by oxide
2009-10-16 10:35:25

My geologist friend tells me that the worst house to have in an earthquake zone is the townhome with the garage underneath, especially a two car garage. The walls and the joists hold themselves up, but in an earthquake there’s nothing solid under the house. Goes right down.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 16:12:31

My geologist friend tells me that the worst house to have in an earthquake zone is the townhome with the garage underneathJust like in NOrthridge, CA a few yrs back. Lots of apt bldgs with garages underneath, didn’t make it.

 
Comment by CentralCoastDude
2009-10-16 17:16:08

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-10-16 08:47:29

China is one gigantic bubble. Things are already dreadful for the poor, it’s just masked over by the small slice of incredibly wealthy individuals who get all of the attention. China is actually much worse off than we are. They’ve been building a city the size of Philadelphia every month for years. That sh!thole is going down.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 07:35:41

“Goldman: Annuit Coeptis. They will continue to rule. Get over it.”

Anything which cannot go on forever will end.

– Herbert Stein –

The more complacent the sheeple, the longer Goldman will continue to rule. I advocate less complacency, and more pitch forks.

Comment by dude
2009-10-16 08:18:28

Would t’wer that it were, GS. I’m afraid the free and the brave will go quietly in to the night.

 
Comment by lavi d
2009-10-16 09:00:47

. I advocate less complacency, and more pitch forks.

When does Joe Sixpack become Joe Pitchfork?

Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 09:57:31

When the food stamps stop flowing.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 10:13:07

when the sixpacks run out

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Comment by ahansen
2009-10-16 22:48:45

OH! I just KNEW you’d come through on that one, sloth.
Thank you.

 
 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-10-16 09:18:36

“I advocate less complacency, and more pitch forks.”

Just turn off the next episode of American Idol and blame it on Goldman.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 10:22:33

Nope. It’s “Dancing with the Stars”.

You’ve got to keep up, man!

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Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-10-16 13:41:41

Im bullish on pitchforks.

Very VERY bullish ;)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 07:42:18

The Financial Times
A credibility problem for Goldman
By John Gapper

Published: October 14 2009 22:34 | Last updated: October 14 2009 22:34

It will be business as usual for Goldman Sachs on Thursday morning. The bank will annoy a lot of people.

Goldman, the institution that came through last year’s financial crisis best – arguably the only pure investment bank left standing – will say how much money it made in the third quarter (a lot) and how many billions it has stored for bonuses (about $5.5bn towards a likely 2009 bonus pool of $23bn).

For believers in Goldman’s ethical standards and way of doing business, these are difficult times. Although it avoided the mistakes that brought down Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers, forced Merrill Lynch into Bank of America’s arms, and prodded Morgan Stanley further into lower-risk retail broking, Goldman has become a whipping boy.

There is outrage that, having taken government money to survive the crash, Goldman is in such rude health that it will hand out billions in bonuses. Matt Taibbi, a Rolling Stone writer, caught the mood memorably by describing Goldman as “a giant vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity”.

Comment by polly
2009-10-16 08:28:09

Goldman is a public company now, not a private partnership as it was when I was one of the many, many lawyers who served it.

The people who should really be pissed off are the shareholders. Management cannot reasonably argue that all the Goldman employees would pick up and leave if they didn’t get massive amounts of compensation and the largest bonuses ever. Therefore, they should be directing more of that money to shareholders. What about paying a dividend Goldman?

The time for the taxpayers to be pissed off was a while ago. I’ll peg my outrage at the moment the AIG credit default swaps were paid off at 100%. The idea that Goldman Sachs needed to be protected from counterparty risk is so laughable that if I start, I might never stop again. They should have gotten *nothing*. If any bailout was going to happen of those AIG contracts, it should have been done piecemeal, only to people who were duped into risks they didn’t and couldn’t understand, and done only partially so even the ignorant ones got hurt enough to never do it again.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-16 08:41:37

Poly I mentioned that yesterday and I think of all the scummy things that have been done to “save” the economy this has to be the worst….GS should be forced by the big OHHH to give back the money…what was it $12 billion and their new bonuses are $15 billion…..taxpayers are getting stiffed again.

I’ll peg my outrage at the moment the AIG credit default swaps were paid off at 100%.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-10-16 10:03:11

“I’ll peg my outrage at the moment the AIG credit default swaps were paid off at 100%.”

I totally agree, polly—that was the worst.

It was a straight-out looting of the public coffers by the politically well-connected.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 08:41:52

I don’t like the fact that the Fed lends to Megabank, Inc at zero percent interest, while everyone else pays “market rates”*. The flow of money is currently decided by the Fed’s decision of who gets it, rather than the market’s ability to underwrite loans to the firms and households who can make best use of the money (and are most likely to repay it). Why this is legal is a bit beyond my grasp…

*I don’t mean to suggest the Fed is not also manipulating market interest rates to suppress them below the market-clearing level.

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-10-16 09:45:03

“Management cannot reasonably argue that all the Goldman employees would pick up and leave if they didn’t get massive amounts of compensation and the largest bonuses ever.”

Exactly. The idea that everyone would up and leave without giant bonuses is pure fallacy; a myth perpetuated by those worried about losing their ridiculously bloated windfall profits.

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Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-16 11:16:29

Look at Danger inc. the company Microsoft bought that just had network storage issues. Many of the tech companies get acquired and the good employees leave after getting theirs, on to the next hopeful company.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 16:17:29

The idea that everyone would up and leave without giant bonuses is

And yet, so many here and all over the US, are so darned worried about the financial viability of insurance corps. ” oh those poor companies, shouldn’t “we” protect them so that capitalism goes on and on an on, but skroo ‘me’, just so long as GS and INS corps get to keep theirs, mine and ours”.
“WE” are deluded by msm and each other to an extant that we need to “protect” capitalism when all around us, they are stealing from us IN PLAIN DAYLIGHT, DAILY.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 18:06:02

The best way to rob a bank is in broad daylight, carrying a briefcase. Just walk in like you own the place. (Because you do.)

 
 
Comment by realestateskeptic
2009-10-16 10:18:30

Do we know how many shares are held by the employees or former employees? My guess is its a very large percentage and therein may lie some of the rub.

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Comment by ahansen
2009-10-16 22:55:22

“…I’ll peg my outrage at the moment the AIG credit default swaps were paid off at 100%….”

I’m gonna have to say it was the moment they announced Larry Summers’ as economic advisor to the Obamacy.

One of those “Oh. Never mind.” moments. Somehow one just *knew* it wasn’t going to end well.

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Comment by dude
2009-10-16 07:47:38

“banks can only hold supply back until the next quarter”

With the ongoing accounting standard of “mark to fantasy” and effective access to ZIRP, what makes you think they can’t go on forever?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 07:56:30

“access to ZIRP”

I have also been assuming that one of the purposes of the Fed’s zero interest loans to banks was to give them a massive competitive advantage over households in the waiting game for affordable housing prices. Couple that with the Fed’s MBS purchase program and mortgage interest buy-down program, and you have the makings of housing bubble reflation.

Comment by dude
2009-10-16 08:14:49

Bubbles don’t reflate, do they?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 08:43:19

Not autonomously, at least…

A good historical example is the South Sea Bubble. Sir Isaac Newton had made a fortune and cashed out just before it popped. But he gambled again during the reflation, and lost his shirt after the dead cat bounce hit the floor…

 
 
Comment by dude
2009-10-16 08:16:09

…or is that reinflate?

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Comment by lavi d
2009-10-16 09:10:53

…or is that reinflate?

Either way, does that make them “flate-u-lent”?

hahaha. I crack me up.

 
Comment by dude
2009-10-16 10:51:37

Deflatuation, it’s the new black.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 13:21:12

Bean-O!

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 16:18:55

“flate-u-lent”?

flate u late.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-10-16 09:16:12

Couple that with the Fed’s MBS purchase program and mortgage interest buy-down program, and you have the makings of housing bubble reflation.

Through extraordinary intervention, it has been possible to stabilize housing prices if not lead to small price increases:

http://voiceofsandiego.org/articles/2009/10/16/toscano/674governmenthousingintervention100409.txt

It also seems possible that that might continue for more than just a short time if those efforts are sustained, which could happen. But that seems to be the upper bound on what intervention can accomplish. There doesn’t seem to be any historical precedent for immediately reinflating a bubble in a sector where a bubble has just burst. In spite of all the intervention, there are many sound reasons to bet on more downward movement in prices at some point in the next few years.

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-10-16 10:04:21

Your post highlights why I think it will be many years before this whole meltdown is complete. I don’t even think we’re in the 4th inning.

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Comment by SDGreg
2009-10-16 08:02:50

Weather: This will be a cold, dangerous winter.

Where? Not likely in the U.S. for a prolonged period. We appear to be headed for moderate El Nino conditions for the winter season. That usually means warmer for the northern tier of states (on average for the entire winter, not day-to-day or week-to-week). There can still be briefer, colder periods in an overall warmer winter. Current seasonal forecasts expect warmer conditions for the northern states:

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/predictions/multi_season/13_seasonal_outlooks/color/churchill.php

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 09:16:50

Just my unscientific observation, but winter seems to have started about 60 days early this year. Add to that, the 30 day extension to the end of winter last March.

Comment by DD
2009-10-16 16:20:06

100+ degrees here. Winters over.

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Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 04:46:41

Hello everyone,

Listening to “Mona Lisa” by Slick Rick…

Still looking at the housing market and it looks like me and DW are going to wait until at least this time next year before we even start trying to get into some land and a house. Has anyone had any experience with Navy Federal or USAA in buying a house? I hear Navy Federal doesnt sell the loan out and they keep it….

You guy’s know I bought a few gold coins here recently. But I also found an all gold fund on USAA that I invested about $5000 into two months ago. It has appreciated a good amount. I think I am going to sell the “phyical” gold and stay in this fund for the long term. I think I am going to continue to buy silver ounce dollars, I just like them.

Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 04:57:28

The fund is their precious metals and minerals fund….I am also buying I and EE bonds every month. I think I may be conservative enough..

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-16 09:44:00

Step,

I and EE bonds are great. I’ve been taking a break from buying the I bonds for the last six months. Instead I have been buying 10 year TIPS.

You may also be interested in PRPFX, Permanent Portfolio. It’s at its all time high. Took a big hit last Fall. Anyone who has been DCA-ing into that fund for the last dozen years is in a good situation. It has some expense ratio, but you’d be paying a one time 4% commission on bullion at the dealer.

For now I go with the bullion and the one time commission. Hold gold long enough and buy treasuries direct with no commission or expenses. I have my own “Permanent Portfolio” fund.

 
 
Comment by GH
2009-10-16 05:10:00

I am not familiar with this fund, but in general it is my understanding that there is somewhere in the region of three times more paper gold in circulation than actual gold to back it.

Comment by combotechie
2009-10-16 05:29:36

See wmbz’s article below. There seems to be a lot of gold out there waiting to be thrown onto the market.

Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 05:37:51

I may need to get out of this physical stuff before supply out does demand…

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Comment by Skip
2009-10-16 07:40:29

The Hunts found that out in the 80s about silver.

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Comment by dude
2009-10-16 07:50:47

Meanwhile the Chindians continue to buy.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-10-16 08:19:00

GH,

Correct. Many times over. Especially when considering all the “me too” leveraged ETF offerings, “certificates” etc.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 04:53:05

Greenwich Jewelry Turns to Cash as Gold Reaches $1,000 an Ounce.

Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) — The people of Greenwich, Connecticut, the hedge-fund capital of the U.S., know a golden opportunity when they see one.

With the price of gold futures reaching a record $1,072 an ounce this week, they’re carting watches, bracelets, rings and necklaces to a Hyatt Regency hotel off Interstate 95. There, representatives of Cash for Gold are writing checks for the precious metal.

“Once the price of gold went over $1,000, I knew it was the time to do it,” said Joy Kruger, a real estate agent who sold her unwanted jewelry yesterday for $2,700.

Greenwich and other well-to-do towns are the best places for mining used gold, said Anthony Holdampf, president of Westport, Connecticut-based Cash for Gold. While the company has licenses to operate in 31 communities in Connecticut, California, New Jersey and Florida, it’s narrowing its focus to the wealthiest ones and has set up camp in Greenwich for more than a year.

“They show up dressed very fancy, maybe wearing their Rolexes,” Holdampf said. Affluent sellers have “twice as much gold as anyone else, and plenty of gold they could get rid of.”

Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 05:14:16

I am probably going to hold until at least december. That way, the horrible holiday sales news will make the dow tank and gold go a little higher..

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 07:51:51

Gold and the DJIA are currently coupled, thanks to the underlying support of dollar debauchery. When the dollar bottoms out (thanks to eventual intervention by the Fed to increase interest rates, supported by overselling by scared investors frantically diversifying away from Uncle Buck), look for US stocks, l-t T-bonds and gold to all fall in sync.

Of course the above scenario explains why the Fed will drag its feet as long as possible before stepping up to defend the value of the dollar.

Comment by DD
2009-10-16 16:23:55

Did you see the graph chart Stewart had last night?
Gold Chart, Housing chart, invert one over the other and it looks like mirror images, almost as if planned.

The charts were correct. Double checked them this AM .

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 18:02:45

You got a link? I don’t know what you’re talking about, but found this interesting set of charts while looking. They show oil priced in gold over the last century.

http://lh5.ggpht.com/_-ALAvDkry1k/SZ8VCxxC9II/AAAAAAAAAIw/JoVywSvlLJM/s800/WTIOIL_GOLD_1900_2009.jpg

 
 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-16 06:12:28

What is scary about this is The Newly rich Numbnutz of Greenwich sold for probably 30% less then what they would have gotten even in a pawn shop.

And they didn’t want anyone to know they needed they cash or they would have gone to Betteridge jewelers on Greenwich ave. since 1897….I had 2 friends work there and their First offer was almost always 5-10% above anyone else’s.

http://www.betteridge.com/
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representatives of Cash for Gold

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 07:04:21

Yeah, it’s hard to imagine ’smart money’ is lining up to sell its gold at a hotel off the interstate, like this article implies. And who’s the quote from? A real estate agent.

 
 
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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 07:54:48

I notice in their ads they show people throwing rings with jewels etc in the envelopes. I wonder if they pay you for the jewels in your jewelry, mail them back to you, or just keep them? I’m betting they just keep them. Of course, if you’re stupid enough to mail them gold jewelry with the gem stones intact…

(How many joules for a jewel?) :wink:

 
 
Comment by salinasron
2009-10-16 06:47:56

“Once the price of gold went over $1,000, I knew it was the time to do it,” said Joy Kruger, a real estate agent who sold her unwanted jewelry yesterday for $2,700.”

So why did you buy it to start with?!!! RE and impulse buyer are somehow related.

“Affluent sellers have “twice as much gold as anyone else, and plenty of gold they could get rid of.”

I guess they aren’t as AFFLUENT as they pretend to be. Art galleries in Carmel tell me people from Texas are trying to unload items previously purchased in Carmel through their shops. They also tell me that things aren’t selling or need to be drastically reduced in price.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-16 07:45:47

Of course they paid at least 2000 oz 5 years ago in those luxury shops
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Once the price of gold went over $1,000

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 07:54:10

The late 1970s was similarly a period of spiraling gold prices which inspired many to melt down their gold jewelery for cash. The story is richly documented in William Greider’s Secrets of the Temple.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 09:55:16

I seem to remember ‘gold nugget’ jewelry being popular then, too. People would melt their gold into a lump, and wear the lump on a chain or something. Rings with Kruggerands in them were popular, too. Gold was King! Til it wasn’t…

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 16:25:58

William Greider’s Secrets of the Temple.

Really good book.

As is Cadillac Desert. old book, may be out of print.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 04:54:34

State Revenue Falls Most Since 1963 on Incomes, Sales (Update2)

Oct. 15 (Bloomberg) — U.S. state tax collections tumbled the most in almost half a century in the second quarter as the economic recession curbed levies on incomes and sales.

The 16.6 percent plunge was the biggest since at least 1963, the Nelson A. Rockefeller Institute of Government said today. For the 12 months to June 30, the fiscal year for most states, revenue declined 8.2 percent, or $63 billion, about twice what states got from the $787 billion U.S. economic stimulus package, the institute said.

State revenue has dwindled for two straight quarters and continued to decline in July and August, the Albany-based research organization said. Budgets for the year that began July 1 already face $26 billion of deficits, the Washington, D.C.- based Center on Budget and Policy Priorities said Aug. 12, forcing state lawmakers to confront additional spending cuts.

“We’re looking at a multiyear problem hitting essentially every state,” Robert Ward, the institute’s deputy director, told reporters. “It has happened during recessions before, but the depth of this decline is unprecedented in modern times.”

Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 04:56:00

So, wonder what the states will do to raise revenue, since they can’t print money?

Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 05:00:03

They can raise taxes….opps, sorry, no one’s employed…

Nevermind..

 
Comment by GH
2009-10-16 05:08:20

That is what red light cameras and traffic tickets are for. Once convicted of a traffic violation the State can basically beat the money out of you.

Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 05:21:31

I dont understand why people pay tickets without talking to a lawyer. DW just got a ticket in N.C. 71 in a 55. The officer tells her, “you have to show up”. I sent her to get a lawyer. The lawyer tells her she doesnt have to show up. On the day of trial, evidently it gets plead down to “improper equipment” and NO points on her license. The ticket would have been $175. We paid the lawyer $230. It’s worth it to me.

BTW, the amount of mail ads we got was overwhelming, seemed like the next day. When they say the law field is over saturated, they arent lying. Our box is still full of advertisements from ambulance chaser’s. Some are good, but it was crazy….

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Comment by Steve W
2009-10-16 06:19:50

“The ticket would have been $175. We paid the lawyer $230.”

That’s why I didn’t talk to a lawyer for my 2 speeding tickets…

 
Comment by exeter
2009-10-16 06:33:23

“That’s why I didn’t talk to a lawyer for my 2 speeding tickets…”

Exactly. But dummies will continue to throw good money after bad.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-16 06:39:06

and NO points on her license.

Those points will cost far more over 3 years then the lawyer

 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 07:22:08

Those points will cost far more over 3 years then the lawyer

+100

But dummies will continue to throw good money after bad.

Paying a lawyer a few dollars to make sure couple of points arent on our insurance makes me a dummy? Advocating just paying the ticket seems asinine to me…

 
Comment by mikey
2009-10-16 07:29:30

The Top Hog is is getting squeezed… Or is the recession Makin’ Bacon ?.

“Harley says it’s the end of the road for Buell”

http://tinyurl.com/ykppy9n

“Harley may someday build motorcycles overseas”

http://tinyurl.com/yj6kul7

 
Comment by mikey
2009-10-16 07:36:42

My traffic lawyer always sends me a Christmas Card.

“Merry Christmas — Step on it ”

:)

 
Comment by exeter
2009-10-16 07:45:31

Are you that helpless and clueless that you can’t plead not guilty and negotiate with a cop on your own and instead pay someone else to do it? It’s a flippin’ speeding ticket not a murder charge.

 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 07:47:31

LOL

 
Comment by Skip
2009-10-16 07:51:36

Paying a lawyer a few dollars to make sure couple of points arent on our insurance makes me a dummy? Advocating just paying the ticket seems asinine to me…

You can always choose the popular Texas solution and not buy insurance.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-16 08:03:57

EX:

You don’t drive much do you? In the old days it was the insurance companies you had to fight. Now those points are mandated by law…and government can raise the percentage of penalties anytime so over 3 years it could be chunk of money..(some states want to increase it to 5…)

The only way out is to plead guilty take the points sell the car and move to NYC where you don’t need one…then in 3 years..start all over.

OOPS……if you didn’t have insurance in the last 6 months..you have to get high risk for the first 6 months to a year….Again government mandated…( I think military is exempted)

it’s a flippin’ speeding ticket not a murder charge.

 
Comment by dude
2009-10-16 08:25:40

I recently got ticketed for no front plate and was surprised to find my license had expired on my birthday 2 weeks previous.

The license was a fix it, no big deal. The expired license was a misdemeanor and I was forced to appear to plead. There was no way to do it by mail.

I appeared and the commissioner reduced it to an infraction and the fine to $25+fees. Out the door? $189. Peoples republic of Los Angeles.

 
Comment by scdave
2009-10-16 08:30:44

negotiate with a cop on your own ??

Not sure where you live pal but there is NO negotiating on tickets around here…I think the attitude with the traffic cops around here is that if I take the time to pull you over your gettin cited…

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-10-16 08:33:59

aNYCdj,

Ahem.., when I got my one and only moving violation in 1989, I was too smart to just hire an atty. too. I had to show up to a muni court in Hillsboro, OR and of the 30 or so defendants present, I was the ONLY one that had to take their toddler daughters with them.

It-took-hours. Virtually everyone in front of me needed a translator and were hispanics facing DUI charges. Not being racist, just how it went down. So it was decided that b/c I didn’t need a translator, I was to go last. Squiriming children and all.

The only other non-hispanic was a young black guy that won the judge over by explaining the only driver ed. he’d ever had was from playing video games. Judge laughed and threw it out. Not… so generous w ‘me’ though. The judge had sobered up when I approached the bench and I got the customary $30 knocked off.

It was definitely worth it. Not.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-10-16 08:39:59

aNYCdj..

Not true. Granted I haven’t gotten a ticket in quite some time, the procedure is quite simple.

On the uniform ticket you get in NY, there is a not-guilty choice on the back of the ticket. You make your plea and send it in. The court notifies the defendant of the court date by mail. You go, make your case with the officer and if you’re not a complete a$$ and liar, he’ll reduce the ticket to some other lesser charge. I’ve gotten 2 point tickets reduced to non-moving violations and a 4 point speeding ticket reduced to “failure to obey a traffic signal” which was 2 points.

Also, if you’re clearly guilty and are at the mercy and grace of the officer, DO NOT ask for a supporting deposition. It’s a big “FU, I’m not guilty prove it” challenge to the officer.

 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 09:42:08

You know what they say,

Anyone who tries to represent himself has a fool for a client…

 
Comment by exeter
2009-10-16 09:54:03

Then pay up fool. ;)

 
Comment by jim
2009-10-16 10:04:11

I dont get the lawyer because i cant argue the case myself. I get teh lawyer so that i know whats going ot happen ahead of time, cause they golf together, and the lawer can handle it when the judge is havign a bad day, and decides to throw me in jail because i remind him of his idoit son in law.

 
Comment by stpn2me
2009-10-16 10:31:47

Then pay up fool.

:)

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-10-16 11:49:31

The only way out is to plead guilty take the points sell the car and move to NYC where you don’t need one…then in 3 years..start all over.

In Massachusetts points stay with you for 6 years.

Surcharges are 2 points for a minor traffic violation, 3 points for a minor at-fault accident and 4 points for a major at-fault accident. A major at fault accident is considered one with a claim over $2,000. For a major traffic violation, such as drunk driving or operating to endanger (also known as reckless driving), the surcharge is five points. These events generate a Surcharge Notice from your insurer.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 16:31:53

My traffic lawyer always sends me a Christmas Card.

Step on it!

Judges in Indio won’t let you speak one word, well let me clarify that. Guilty or Not Guilty. Period, no explaination. IF you make the mistake of speaking one extra word you get sent to the back to wait. TRUE Story. Happened to my neighbor.

She shut up and paid the fine.

 
Comment by CentralCoastDude
2009-10-16 17:21:48

This is why I can not own a nice sports car, I opt for 4×4 and slow down. Fines are a lot higher these days in CA. I think an illegal U-Turn is $220. Gotta go drink, it is Harvest Weekend.

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2009-10-16 06:27:30

There is a limit to how much money they can raise. They will end up firing people. Lots of people. And pulling back on social support programs. And monetizing money making/saving assets (toll roads, tunnels, government buildings) so that even when the economy does come back, the revenue from tolls will never come back and their fixed costs will be higher (having to pay rent on buildings that they used to own).

The states and counties have hit a wall. Meet the immovable object.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-16 06:48:07

Polly:

That’s why the 3rd rail is about to be touched.

Work Rule Changes. No more slacking off and everyone going to lunch at the same time. NO more ” Not my job” attitudes or your fired.

NO more months or years and endless hearings to get someone canned.

Hmmm sounds like a private business.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-10-16 11:03:29

“Meet the immovable object”

And thank YOU… polly!

This has ( whether I like it or not ) become my position when it comes to arguing the future of public employee’s pensions.

“But we were prommmmmised”

Yeah, it’s not like we didn’t ‘know’ that? I’m uh… pretty sure we are aware of just what you were prommmmmised.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-10-16 07:49:57

They can borrow it from the people who got the big bonus checks on Wall Street /

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-10-16 06:56:41

This is a huge story, and getting bigger by the day. I will say it again, these state and local pols are simply not up to the challenge. Their careers spanned a period of unprecedented growth and stability. They have neither the will nor the experience to deal with this.

We already know people are adapting. The spenders can’t spend and the savers won’t. What’s more, when they do spend they’re spending less and they’re making darn sure to pay the least sales tax possible. If any economy is growing it’s the underground cash economy.

Comment by scdave
2009-10-16 07:33:51

Your 2nd paragraph is fricken “spot on” EJohn…

Comment by Skip
2009-10-16 07:54:10

I like the 1st paragraph too. A lot of city managers (Las Vegas?) have only had experience with the boom economy of the last 18 years or so. NYC going bankrupt is just an old story from the 70s.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 09:29:11

Agreed…….the local politicians have been kissing the azzes of the local public employee unions forever here……..can’t wait to see how they handle this “rock and a hard place” scenario. None of these people are Mensa members.

Taxpayer Death Match……..local government employees vs. government retirees (Federal, State and Local)

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-16 07:53:09

I always said Pres Bush was the greatest president in creating underground jobs….looks like this pres thinks its a good idea too.

If any economy is growing it’s the underground cash economy.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2009-10-16 07:28:03

Nice post wmbz…I think the state revenue issue is a much bigger problem than what it suggests…The standard play book resolution “Cut on the fringes and on the backs of the weakest, raise fee’s and tax the crap out of any vice, borrow more money” is not going to work this time…We have hit the wall, there is no near term solution and there is all out confrontation brewing…

Comment by DD
2009-10-16 16:36:14

I think the state revenue issue is a much bigger problem

During last admin, the fed took away $ from states, and ppl complained, but not much because the runaway econ took their vision off the fact that local politics and payroll had to expand to meet what they were reduced from originally via fed. So, on a grand scale it looks like he reduced taxes, when all that happened was it just rolled over onto the local agenda. Now the local pols look like thieves and crooks saying we need more taxes to pay for infrastructure.

Comment by DD
2009-10-16 16:38:23

Sleight of hand.

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Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 05:36:19

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/15/troop-funds-diverted-to-pet-projects/?page=1

Money for the Kennedy Institute was inserted by Mr. Inouye and Sen. John Kerry, Massachusetts Democrat. Sen. Mary L. Landrieu, Louisiana Democrat

Man, this sucks….

Comment by rusty
2009-10-16 05:51:06

Nothing surprises me anymore. A lot disgusts me, but nothing surprises.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-10-16 06:43:22

“…The financial cost of the war has been more than £4.5 billion ($9 billion) to the UK, and over $845 billion to the U.S., with the total cost to the U.S. economy estimated at $3 trillion”

Don’t stop now, there are plenty of “other countries” that could benefit from Cheney-Shrubs theory of “Nation Building” …some with oil… some not.

Comment by scdave
2009-10-16 07:37:13

+1 Hwy…

 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 07:45:49

that could benefit from Cheney-Shrubs theory of “Nation Building”

That’s right, dont look farther than your own country. To hell with the rest of the world, right? I guarentee if someone was making you observe a religion you didnt want to, Grow a disgusting beard, making your wife walk two steps behind you, making her wear a head to toe blue sheet with holes punched in it for the eyes, you would feel different. And dont give me you wouldnt allow it to happen. People like that are dead here in afghanistan. The taliban have no problems killing someone who doesnt feel like them. Alot of people talk big behind a computer keyboard, but the situation changes when the first bullet whizzes by your head, or you are standing there looking at the beheaded corpse of the village elder you were just talking to yesterday. Cant happen in the U.S., you say? Probably not in our lifetimes, but most certainly in our grandchildren’s lifetime. This type of culture will continue to take a mile as we give them an inch and welcome them into our society with open arms. They will act like your friend, tell you what you want to hear until one day you wake up and islamic sympathiser’s are on the supreme court and they are deciding our social agenda. The west has progressed beyond using the religion to rule the people. Many countries with Islam have not. To be honest, and this is me, an american citizen talking, I dont want a muslim as the head of my govt. I feel he doesnt represent me and he will be making decisions based on his faith, as do the christian men who have been president thus far. For me, that is too much of a leap. Once you are here (in afganistan), you see where islam comes from, so you see it’s soul. I have been to several different muslim nations (Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi). None of them I like. The west’s ideology is not compatible with the lifestyle and culture of Islam.

I really dont care if any of you think I am insensitive to other culture’s. Until you come to where I am, and see what I have seen, I dont think you are working with all the information I have. Sometime’s you have to become intolorant of certain things. This is one thing, in my opinion, we as americans cannot tolorate. People from other nations are not coming here with american alligence in mind, like the immigrants of days past, they come with alligence to their past nations. You see it when mexicans wave the mexican flag. And it is happening again. They dont love our country. They just want to make an americanized version of the craphole they left.

Islamic radicals will fight you and kill you to defend their culture, question is, are we willing to kill for ours?

Sorry about the rant…

/Rant off…

Comment by palmetto
2009-10-16 08:05:13

Awesome post, stpn. I completely agree with you. Many Americans are naive beyond belief on these matters.

I posted the other day about an essay and photos on stoning females to death in the Middle East and also about the audio clip I heard on NPR of a young woman being put to the lash in Pakistan because of just WALKING with a man to whom she wasn’t married. The screams invaded my sleep.

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Comment by Michael Viking
2009-10-16 08:30:01

Many Americans are naive beyond belief on these matters.

Exactly right. I think some people just can’t comprehend evil despite thousands of examples of it throughout history. Humans are animals that fall into three categories: “sheeple”(the largest category by far), “wolves” and “sheepdogs”. I’m glad we have “sheepdogs” like Stepn. The “sheeple” who try to castrate “sheepdogs” and placate “wolves” sicken me.

Stay safe, buddy!

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 09:41:23

So, we are fighting in Afghanistan,halfway around the world (with all the logistics problems that comes with it), while at the same time, letting every Tom, Dick and Harry Muslim into the US from Somalia and God knows where on refugee visas, and young girls are being murdered HERE by their Muslim fathers for “dishonoring the family”?

IMO, you guys have your guns pointed in the wrong direction.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 10:19:01

So, we are fighting in Afghanistan,halfway around the world (with all the logistics problems that comes with it), while at the same time, letting every Tom, Dick and Harry Muslim into the US from Somalia and God knows where on refugee visas, and young girls are being murdered HERE by their Muslim fathers for “dishonoring the family”?

IMO, you guys have your guns pointed in the wrong direction.

+1000

We have this illogical “Invade the world, invite the world” foreign policy that began during the last administration is continues unabated.

If we really are concerned about foreigners who do not share our American values coming in and overthrowing our nation via demographics, then the answer is quite simple: seal the borders and stop handing out immigrant visas like they were candy.

 
Comment by X-philly
2009-10-16 10:28:56

Yes, the honor killings are occurring on our shores, and are being addressed by our criminal justice system. So we don’t need the military to handle the imported “honor killings”.

The distinction being in the USA the perps are brought to justice. In the perps’ native lands, the crimes against women ARE the justice.

• Fifty-year-old Yaser Abdel Said became the focus of a massive manhunt after he allegedly killed his teenage daughters Sarah and Amina — for dating boys against his will. Relatives say he tried to marry off Amina in his native Egypt when she was 16, and he hasn’t been seen since the girls were shot to death on New Year’s Day.

• Zein Isa, a Palestinian terrorist who lived in St. Louis, was convicted of killing his daughter Palestina in 1989. Investigators say he was furious she had a black boyfriend, went to a school dance and got a job at Wendy’s. Palestina’s mother held her down as Isa plunged a 9-inch knife into his daughter’s chest, actions the FBI picked up on a microphone as they investigated Isa for his terrorist ties.

• Waheed Mohammad, a 22-year-old immigrant from Afghanistan, was shamed by his sister, who he thought was a “bad Muslim girl.” At his mother’s behest, investigators say, he tried to “stop” his sister, stabbing her multiple times, though she survived and spoke to FOX News.

Also Muzzammil Hassan (Buffalo NY) who beheaded his wife because she got a restraining order against him and then filed for divorce. The great irony of his case is that he had founded a radio station to counter the anti-Muslim sentiment he had experienced. He was going to be a goodwill ambassador for his religion.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 10:52:01

All this “justice” isn’t doing the victims much good.

 
Comment by X-philly
2009-10-16 11:19:35

What’s your point exactly?

Scroll down to the last pic of Amina Said, shot by her dad and left to die in his taxicab.

She knew she was in mortal danger. The caption on her myspace pic states: “I don’t want to become a memory”.

All that living with her “honorable” father didn’t do her much good either.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 11:59:49

I’m saying that letting crazy-Azz Muslims immigrate to the US isn’t going to turn them into secular US citizens. All I’m seeing is them playing our system, without having any effect on their worldview. Sorta like the illegals, except the illegals don’t whack people’s heads off.

IMO, being a devout Muslim (as currently practiced in most of the world) is incompatible with a citizenship in a secular republic/democracy.

Which is a reason why I think “Religion in public institutions/schools” is just asking for trouble down the road. If you allow one faith (Christianity) into public/secular education, you are not going to legally be able to prevent other faiths from doing the same.

Back in my school days, the public schools were for teaching, and Sunday School/Church took care of the religion side. Of course, there are people that can’t recognize a good deal when they see it.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 16:43:54

IMO, you guys have your guns pointed in the wrong direction.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-16 08:17:31

Step:

We don’t have the guts to fight a Religious Jihad. The source of their evil is in the Mosques so why do we still let them pray?

Step:no offense to you but you are aiming at the wrong targets.

Islamic radicals will fight you and kill you to defend their culture, question is, are we willing to kill for ours?

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Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 09:59:06

IMO, you guys have your guns pointed in the wrong direction.

No I dont. Within the borders of the states, it’s up to the people (including moderate muslims) and police to defend. I am a federal soldier. It’s my job to go kick ass around the world!

 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 10:07:18

aNYCdj,

Step:no offense to you but you are aiming at the wrong targets.

None taken….

An announcement to this board……..

NEVER think I take offense to any opinion any of you give me. By you saying your opinion, I am successful at my job, which I take VERY seriously. My only problem is when some disparage the military men and women (I have been called a baby killer, nevermind I have seen insurgents hold women and children up while engaging us), I get angry. To disparage the very thing that give you and me the right AND ability to speak freely makes me mad. It’s disrespect. I was told to come here, get mad at your elected officials. But, it is protected free speech. Oh well…..

But NEVER think you are offending me with an opposite point of view. That’s why me and the rest of my brothers and sisters in the 82nd AIRBORNE DIVISION are here…

Stpn2me

 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 10:12:19

Step:no offense to you<

None taken.

You can NEVER offend me when you use the rights I am here helping to defend…

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 11:06:29

“…..go kick ass around the world……”

Whether it makes any sense or not?

Sorta like putting a base camp in the bottom of a valley in “Indian Country”, surrounded by mountains on three sides, with super-restrictive rules of engagement?

I’d buy into this “Save the world from the Muslim hordes” deal more if the rest of the world felt the same way we did about it.

To quote Richard Aboulafia …..we are the Coalition leaders of the “Unwilling but Highly Mobile”

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-16 11:14:18

You are one cool dude step…maybe one day we will all meet and throw you a big welcome home party…

stay safe..

 
Comment by rms
2009-10-16 11:43:41

“It’s my job to go kick ass around the world!”

You’re an expendable worker-bee for Empire, Inc. in Tel Aviv.

 
 
Comment by michael
2009-10-16 08:21:13

yep.

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Comment by Skip
2009-10-16 08:27:07

stpn I think you are only seeing one side. Having lived in the Middle East, there is a public face and a private face. Inside their homes, once the veils come off you can see that they are not much different than us. And when they visit the US, they really embrace the culture. There are hard core believers of course, just as there are everywhere.

Lives are very full of hypocrisy in the Middle East. Of course, they are full of hypocrisy in US as well.

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Comment by packman
2009-10-16 09:45:19

And when they visit the US, they really embrace the culture.

Within limits. Just don’t make an attempt to leave Islam, or you’ll be beheaded (if a guy) - as a part of official state policy.

Hanged for being a Christian in Iran
Eighteen years ago, Rashin Soodmand’s father was hanged in Iran for converting to Christianity. Now her brother is in a Mashad jail, and expects to be executed under new religious laws brought in this summer. Alasdair Palmer reports.


“A month ago, the Iranian parliament voted in favour of a draft bill, entitled “Islamic Penal Code”, which would codify the death penalty for any male Iranian who leaves his Islamic faith. Women would get life imprisonment. The majority in favour of the new law was overwhelming: 196 votes for, with just seven against. “

 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 09:54:40

Inside their homes, once the veils come off you can see that they are not much different than us.

Only moderates are passive, Skip. The vast majority beat their women, instill fear and rule by fear. They consider it honor to kill an “infidel”. I have seen where this religion wants a homeland and it sucks…

BTW, the jews and christian homeland isnt advocating cutting off heads I dont believe..I dont think a head has been cut off in Israel in a while :)…

But look at THEIR homelands, afghanistan, Iran and Saudi..I BET there has been SOME body part cut off someone in the last 10 hrs in all three of those countries….

 
Comment by Al
2009-10-16 11:02:21

The early Islamic empires were fairly good to non-muslims, after conquering them. While they had to pay an extra tax, ‘peoples of the book’ (aka Jews and Christians) were allowed to practice their own faith. They were even granted pensions the same as muslims later on.

Some Muslims seemed to get a lot nastier after the Crusades.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 11:14:57

Then lets swap out their submissive women for some bad-azz, credit-card-carrying, don’t-take-no-$hit-from-no-man American women. :)

The problem is, we don’t seem to be there to support an secular, democratic Afghan government. We’re seem to be there to support “our” conservative Muslims, who’s world view is only marginally different than the Taliban.

 
Comment by michael
2009-10-16 11:38:20

“Some Muslims seemed to get a lot nastier after the Crusades.”

so it’s our fault? or bush?

 
Comment by Al
2009-10-16 11:50:57

“so it’s our fault? or bush?”

Type ‘crusades’ into a search engine. I don’t think Bush was responsible.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-10-16 14:46:58

Then lets swap out their submissive women for some bad-azz, credit-card-carrying, don’t-take-no-$hit-from-no-man American women.

Hey, I just wanna be a woman that is allowed to keep my clit*or*is and not get it cut, burned, or snipped off.

Go google: ‘Female ge*nit*al mut*ila*tion’ if you don’t know what I mean.
Prepare to vomit—especially if you happen to be a woman.

(I was interested to see that the wiki page on this sort of mutilation verrry carefully skirts over the issue of which cultures espouse and practice this wretched horror of a ‘cultural custom’. Guess which ones they are? Hint: they ain’t Western cultures…)

I, for one, am SOOOOOOO GLADDDDDDDD that Muslims are not in charge here. I pray sincerely and fervently to Sweet Baby Jeebus that they never ARE in charge here.

*shudder *

Stpn? When I remember to pray at night, I remember to pray for your safety. Yours specifically, because I figger that Baby Jeebus knows your real name and can find you and keep an eye out, and then a generalized follow-up for all of our soldiers over there.

Thanks. I mean it.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 18:25:13

Save the Cl!ts!

 
 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-16 08:31:23

Don’t worry, I want all religion to go away.

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Comment by lavi d
2009-10-16 09:17:05

Don’t worry, I want all religion to go away.

“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”
- Denis Diderot

 
Comment by Bub Diddley
2009-10-16 09:31:00

+ Infinity.

Luckily, the first step in recognizing the absurdity of religion is recognizing the absurdity of OTHER religions. After contemplating Islam with a critical eye, hopefully some folks will turn the same critical eye to their own faith.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-16 12:38:55

“We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”

- Richard Dawkins

Packed away in my duffel bag is my t-shirt that is part of the “outing atheists” campaign. I might be wearing it on the plane to Phoenix this weekend.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-16 12:43:01

Funny how you see Laura Ingraham wearing her “X”-ian necklace on Faux News critiquing the Taliban and Al Quaeda, then on the next segment she is shocked about women in Oregon going topless.

My computer goes haywire over conservatives. I have lost a great deal of respect against them in the issue of their Bible thumping versus the war against terror. They don’t see their hypocrisy. And when someone points out their hypocrisy, it’s shrugged off.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 16:48:40

Funny how you see Laura Ingraham wearing her “X”-ian necklace on Faux News critiquing the Taliban and Al Quaeda, then on the next segment she is shocked about women in Oregon going topless.

My computer goes haywire over conservatives. I have lost a great deal of respect against them in the issue of their Bible thumping versus the war against terror. They don’t see their hypocrisy. And when someone points out their hypocrisy, it’s shrugged off.

Aint that just so. Can’t make them see their hypocrisy.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 23:16:41

“We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further.”

That is such a clever way to put it. It reminds me of a conversation I had recently on a field trip I attended with my child’s class to visit the Getty Villa (in Santa Monica). There were many statues of Greek and Roman gods around the place. I asked one of my son’s classmates about the difference between the Roman gods and the Christian God. She indicated that it was that the Roman gods were mythological figures — I believe ‘not real’ was the way she stated it.

 
Comment by Bill In Los Angeles
2009-10-18 12:20:07

The single imaginary friend that some of us still cling to is mostly a meme. A meme is usually something accepted without question, or due to being mentally lazy.

With all the turmoil and trouble in the world, we should also note most wars these days are caused by irrationalism, and that is usually in the form of religion:

I dont agree with those who think that the conflict is simply between two religions, namely Christianity and Islam…. To me, the key conflict is between irrational blind faith and rational, logical minds.– Taslima Nasrin, Interview in Free Inquiry magazine, winter 1998-1999, Vol. 19. No. 1 Note: Taslima Nasrin, a woman from Bangladesh under Fatwa (Islamic death sentence)

 
 
Comment by In Montana
2009-10-16 08:42:32

hahaha, go step go!

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Comment by motorcityjim
2009-10-16 08:48:47

I actually had a Lebanese guy tell me “If I was back home in Lebanon I would have killed my wife by now. I hate that bitch. Too bad you can’t do that here.” That’s when I stopped associating with him (I was buying car parts from him from time to time). I think you are right about them wanting to force thair culture and values on us. They are very arrogant and convinced that their way is the only way, and they will use you and even kill you if they can get away with it. Sociopathic behavior is the norm in their culture. That’s why their home countries are so corrupt and evil and horrible to live in.

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Comment by lavi d
2009-10-16 09:19:05

That’s why their home countries are so corrupt and evil and horrible to live in.

I don’t think it’s any coincidence that the more prosperous and advanced societies are the most secular.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2009-10-16 08:50:15

Step…I have a lot that I would like to say in response but out of respect for you and where you are I will refrain…

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Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 09:47:46

but out of respect for you and where you are I will refrain…

I’m not sitting in a pile of rocks so you can refrain. I am thousands of miles away from my wife and family so you have the option to say what you want. I would defend your right to say what you want with my life. In fact, I am..

Let it rip!!!

 
Comment by ahansen
2009-10-17 01:43:40

Okay. Here’s a brief rip on behalf of sc and all those of us who read your posts and despair for where our Country is going —and for where, but for our darker selves, it might someday be.

Do your superiors actually tell you that you’re fighting to “defend” “western values” or “so your wife won’t have to walk two steps behind you in public?” Or because the Taliban aren’t widely supported by a good portion of the country? Or for any reason other than the fact that the area is a nuclear tinderbox sitting on an oil pipeline controlled by US oil interests?

If so, you’re being misled. Literally. Just like all the other armies that have ever tried to impose themselves on the beleaguered Afghani people.

Might as well try to take out all the “Baptists” in America. Or declare victory over all the “Democrats.” (Or all the “Masons,” or all the Wall Street sympathizers.) Can’t be done—as much as “freedom-loving” people everywhere might wish it so. As soon as you start shooting at them, they’re going to shoot back, (just as you would do,) and as you are no doubt seeing for yourself about now, they’re pretty good at it after all these centuries….

Just for the record, your US State Department—the very same one you are now killing people for— created, trained, and financed the Taliban (and set up their “madrassas” across the country) back in the 80’s when Reaganites like Charlie Wilson and Donnie Rumsfeld were trying co-opt “their” warlords into tweaking the Soviets. Even paid some guy named bin Laden $320M+ to build the Tora Bora complex, IIRC.

So much for the good judgment and high ideals of the folks who sent you there to fight their war. They KNOW the people they’re buying off won’t stay bought, never have, but they still keep giving them obscene amounts of money and telling themselves it won’t end up being used to kill American soldiers.

My guess is that Osama’s living large in an oceanfront villa somewhere in Indonesia about now, collecting his checks from State and laffing his arse off at how easy it was to goad America into destroying itself. Exactly as he said he’d do….

Not saying the place isn’t one giant tragedy and that you’re not stuck in the middle trying to justify the unjustifiable. But one way or another, America will betray the people of Afghanistan. Again.

Worse, it’s betraying good-intentioned citizens like yourself who without the slightest sense of irony believe that you’re truly in Afghanistan, AFGHANISTAN! “defending (my) right” to tell you this.

And that breaks my heart.

(Good morning, btw….)

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-10-16 08:55:42

I like your rant Stpn2me…..Some cultures can be outright crazy .
I really believe they have a agenda of taking over the world ,as crazy as that sounds . While I know that Christians believe that it’s their duty to spread the Word ,I don’t think they have a agenda of doing it by blowing up people ,maybe passing out Bibles ,and that is where the difference is . You have some radical people who kill doctors here in America over abortion ,but that is a small group ,I think, I hope .
. It’s like anything ,you judge things by the fruit it bears .

And by the way ,I haven’t got a chance to thank you for the part you play in protecting this Country and other innocent people .I always vote for Veterans getting more .I just had a good friend die of brain cancer from agent orange ,about 20 years before his time . Makes you want to vomit when they voted to enrich the Wall Street gang of thieves .

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Comment by mikey
2009-10-16 08:57:30

When you choose to cross a foreign county’s sovereign border and enter their into their culture and customs, you either enter as a Guest of that country or an Invader of that country….REGARDLESS of who sent you .

It’s really that simple.

Rant over
;)

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Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-16 09:49:29

They crossed our border, FIRST…with one of OUR planes no doubt….

I wonder the terror YOUR fellow americans felt before going into those towers…..

Ever thought of THAT????????

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-10-16 09:49:57

mikey,

Well!? The first thing I do upon arrival to my new host nation is be as insulting as possible to each individual I come in contact with, belittle their king/despot/iron-fisted ruler by blowing my nose into his likeness on their worthless paper currency!

Then for LUNCH I stop by their version of a strip club where I’m grossly rude to ALL women and after urinating in public I do blow off a hooker’s azz!

( I mean, that ‘is’ what ALL Americans do on a regular basis, right? ) Can ya’ tell it’s a Friday?

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 11:29:06

They crossed our border, FIRST…with one of OUR planes no doubt….

I thought those guys were mostly Saudis and not Afghanis. How come we haven’t invaded Saudi Arabia?

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-16 11:39:58

They should have left the towers standing. The traders inside were sure to inflict more damage than they did in the long run.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-10-16 11:45:06

Most of the 19 Criminal Thugs on 911were Saudi, how many were Afghans ?

Ever think about that ?

;)

 
Comment by X-philly
2009-10-16 12:50:31

President Obama to VFW group in Phoenix:
Afghan war is a “necessity”
“This is not only a war worth fighting, this is fundamental to the defense of our people”

August, 2009

 
Comment by X-philly
2009-10-16 13:11:10

“Barack Obama has warned that the Taliban must be defeated in Afghanistan to avoid another September 11-style attack.

The US President was addressing veterans in Phoenix, Arizona, in the run-up to the presidential elections in Afghanistan later this week.
He said that US troops were working hard to secure polling stations to enable Afghans to decide their own future.
And he asserted that while the fight against insurgents would not be quick nor easy - it was a war worth fighting.”

This is the blurb for the YouTube of the President’s speech to the VFW two months ago. I posted the link but it’s taking a while to show up.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 16:53:27

They crossed our border,

Saudis did, not Iraqis, Iranians, or Pakis or Afghanis.
Saudis.

Ever read the book The House of Saud? Give it a try.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 18:27:31

Weren’t those saudis based in Afghanistan, though?

‘It ain’t where you’re from, it’s where you’re at!’

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 22:01:51

They were educated IN Saudia.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 22:47:48

We can’t bomb our own oil base…I agree the situation is quite possibly fubar…unless we get that socialist green energy? No, that’s commie thinking…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 23:18:34

They crossed our border, FIRST…with one of OUR planes no doubt….”

Oh? Have we declared war on Saudi Arabia and I missed the news?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 23:23:35

Stpn2me,

Let me preface my question by saying that I don’t mean to come off as critical, and I deeply appreciate the sacrifice you and other servicemen make on behalf of your country.

That said, I am curious whether you were told by your military superiors that Afghanis perpetrated the 9/11 attacks? My impression is that Osama’s rag-tag band of Taliban terrorists take refuge in Afghanistan, but the native people of that country were not involved in the 9/11 attacks, at least directly. I have hence always been somewhat troubled by the fact that an attack on US soil by Saudi Arabians precipitated retaliation against Afghanistan and Iraq. It is rather as though we are painting the entire Muslim part of the middle east with a rather broad brush.

Or am I just missing it again?

 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-17 04:22:02

My impression is that Osama’s rag-tag band of Taliban terrorists take refuge in Afghanistan

Osama was allied with AL Queda…He was only hiding in Afghanistan. It wouldnt have mattered if Osama was in france, we would have invaded wherever he was. We know who we are fighting. The taliban just happened to give us the finger when we said hand Osama over, so we said “Okay” and deposed them from power. If they had given over Osama, the taliban would still be in power today. Now Afghanistan wants to be free, so we work with them.

Funny how liberals used to complain about abuses of women in Afghanistan during the rule of the taliban, now most of them are complaining about their own military trying to STOP the abuses….

 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-10-16 08:57:37

Stpn2me
Your rant was well worth the read. God Bless You.

Just today on news radio, there was a mention that Council on American-Isamic Relations was calling it hate speech, that some Congressional Aides of Islamic background might be up to no good, and might be spying our our govt. Homeland Security positions also. It was also suspected UC campuses are being used for Hamas & Hezbollah fundraisers.

“Hate Speech’, by a**. I am tired of hearing our pols make nice to people who want to kill us. Radical Islam gets shelter from CAIR, imo.

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Comment by DD
2009-10-16 16:54:33

I am tired of hearing our pols

I am tired of hearing our pols sell us all down the river to line their pockets.

 
 
Comment by Mugsy
2009-10-16 11:40:07

You’re not too bad for an Army puke :)

An old friend of mine from many years back just got in touch with me the other day. He’s a retired Navy CPO and asked me what I was up to. I told him that I was living overseas and doing everything in my power to bring about the death or surrender of my enemies.

I think I freaked him out.

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Comment by technovelist
2009-10-16 11:48:04

Ok, let’s say everything you say about the horrors of Islam (or Afghanistan) are correct. That proves absolutely nothing about the legitimacy of the US government invading and trying to occupy that country.

Let’s say that there are governmental abuses here, which of course there are. Does that authorize other governments to invade the USA? If not, why not?

Sorry, but Buffy Sainte-Marie was right: the “universal soldier” really is to blame.

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Comment by dude
2009-10-16 08:32:01

Hwy, who is president now? I’m pretty sure the Shrub and Sure Shot are back on the ranch.

Comment by scdave
2009-10-16 08:53:16

Hwy, who is president now ??

Who created the problem ??

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Comment by dude
2009-10-16 08:56:31

There is plenty of blame to go around on who created the problem. How far back do you want to go? I’d like to see government stop exacerbating the problem.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-10-16 10:02:27

Ben,

How about more housing and less pandering to advance phoney causes like the Terror Industrial Complex…..

 
Comment by realestateskeptic
2009-10-16 10:25:01

Ex, Did you watch your buddy Keith O last night ;-)

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-10-16 11:08:02

Can’t say as I caught ‘that’ but he really should have stuck to sports. IMHO.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-10-16 20:03:01

I never miss Keith-E and Raychel.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-10-16 14:00:17

So, lets see, in the last election, who was elected to the Pentagon? :-)

“…The Pentagon is reviewing the Bush administration’s doctrine of preemptive military strikes with an eye to modifying or possibly ending it.”

“…We are looking very explicitly at use of force and use of forces,” she said. “We are looking at how to articulate the use of the U.S. military instrument — how we use military force to achieve national objectives.”

“…Bush outlined his doctrine of preemptive strike in a speech at West Point in June 2002. He elevated it to a formal strategy that September. For the first time in a doctrine, the U.S. expressed the right to attack a threat that was gathering, not just imminent.”

Bush Preemptive Strike Doctrine Under Review, May Be Discarded:
By Tony Capaccio Oct. 15 (Bloomberg)

Old Mr. Lincoln was of the persuasion that if ANY “foreigners” landed in Florida and started killing & raping the citizen’s of that “Southern State”…that across Our Nation, fellow citizens & our military would rise up to defend & expel such an invasion…In fact, he believed this would happen voluntarily…without pay or benefits…

So, let me make my thoughts clear: 3 Trillion US Dollars $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ is quite a some of money fighting against an “enemy” for 8+ YEARS (Iraq & Afghanistan) that I believe CURRENTLY is unable to DIRECTLY cause anymore harm to 310 million Americans lives or the Liberty that binds us all together. (Mind you this is just cost of our nations “$ treasure” (does not include the cost of our Nations flesh & blood)

So, I propose that if our Nation is to use our military to “act” preemptively against x1 /x2 /x3 /x4 (or more) of the 192 Global Nations the we believe will SOMEDAY have the ambition to DESTROY AMERICA ….the very least our REPRESENTATIVE Gov’t should do is provide a list to its citizens so that they can publicly debate the CHRONOLOGICAL order of such Nations that we wish to preemptively invade/control/occupy/TRANSFORM and what might be the CUMULATIVE cost to the Nation …what think ye?

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Comment by az_lender
2009-10-16 07:37:00

McCain’s emphasis on eliminating “earmarks” was derided by some, since the overall total of such earmarks is a fairly small portion of Federal spending; but the obvious pandering involved in the earmarked allocations makes the McCain position on this matter seem worthwhile.

 
 
Comment by Al
2009-10-16 05:41:22

So Oly, as a follow up to yesterday.

I got home from work, walked up behind the wife and gave a her smack on the bottom. Said “thanks honey” immediately after. She asked me “what for?” I didn’t answer but gave her a hug, and she didn’t ask again. She was in a good mood for the rest of the day, and the cat had the couch all to himself last night.

thanks for the tip.

Comment by combotechie
2009-10-16 06:15:37

“thanks for the tip.”

Here’s another one: Never pass up an opportunity to tell your wife how much you love her.

 
Comment by cougar91
2009-10-16 06:56:02

I did the same thing you did but I got slapped silly and a kick in the mid-section as a result. I don’t know why I got such a DIFFERENT response than you did. I mean she wasn’t my wife or anything but you would think strangers would be more friendly in this town than the response I got.

:-(

Comment by Al
2009-10-16 08:41:29

“…I got slapped silly and a kick in the mid-section as a result.”

From my grade school recollections, that could be some form of courtship ritual?

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-10-16 17:15:27

From my grade school recollections, that could be some form of courtship ritual?

Ahhhh….those were the days, weren’t they? :)
If you’d had a rock bounced off your noggin you’d know for sure it was in fact a courtship ritual.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 14:08:12

Hang on a sec cougar, I gotta get a paper towel… :lol:

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-10-16 08:01:41

Al, you were supposed to _tell_ your wife that the ole smack-on-the-a*$ was from Olygal.

I’m MUCH more interested in the result you would have gotten if you had stuck to the original script… :-)

Do-over!!!

Comment by Al
2009-10-16 08:40:25

Well, I thought a few strategic revisions in the plan were called for. I’m not quite sure how I’d explain Olygal, in fact I have yet to tell my wife I’m hanging out with a lunatic fringe group on the internet. :)

Comment by mikey
2009-10-16 09:10:34

“I’m not quite sure how I’d explain Olygal, in fact I have yet to tell my wife I’m hanging out with a lunatic fringe group on the internet.”

Sheesh…that’s the nicest thing anyone one has said about us all week
;)

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-10-16 09:47:33

“I’m not quite sure how I’d explain Olygal[...]”

NO ONE quite knows how to explain Olygal. :-)

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Comment by Olympiagal
2009-10-16 16:42:29

Hey!
Hmmmm….

*grumbley face * :)

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-10-16 17:56:05

Oly, I meant that in the most complimentary way, of course… :-)

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-10-16 19:21:48

You hate it when I’m right, though, don’t you? :-)

 
 
 
Comment by lavi d
2009-10-16 09:21:58

I’m MUCH more interested in the result you would have gotten if you had stuck to the original script…

I give my girlfriend a light smack on the butt almost every time I walk by her.

I might actually have to try telling her it was from “Olygal”.

If I don’t post again for a while, it will probably be because of all the bandages.

:)

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-10-16 16:44:00

I give my girlfriend a light smack on the butt almost every time I walk by her.
I might actually have to try telling her it was from “Olygal”…

Thanks!
Well, hey, your girlfriend is hot. What can I say?

*shrug *

:lol:

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 05:54:56

BofA posts $1 billion loss amid consumer credit woes.

CHARLOTTE (Reuters) - Bank of America Corp posted a wider-than-expected quarterly loss as improvement in its Merrill Lynch investment banking unit failed to offset consumer credit woes.

The nation’s largest bank reported a net loss of $1 billion, or 26 cents per share, for the third quarter, compared with net income of $1.18 billion, or 15 cents per share, in the same period last year at the height of the financial crisis.

Analysts’ average forecast was a loss of 21 cents per share, according to 15 analysts polled by Thomson Reuters I/B/E/S.

Expenses grew at a faster rate than revenue during the quarter, the Charlotte, North Carolina-based bank said.

Revenue, net of interest expense, increased 32 percent to $26.4 billion, while noninterest expenses climbed 39 percent to $16.3 billion, due largely to higher personnel costs.

Comment by potential buyer
2009-10-16 06:46:11

Going to be a bumpy day on the market, I’m thinkin’.

Yep, and the beat goes on.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 06:54:38

Some interesting tidbits in this interview with the writer of Jamie Dimon’s new biography.

seekingalpha.com/article/165792-jamie-dimon-the-man-who-could-save-wall-street

“How do you see the new Wall Street firmament? Goldman Sachs is clearly still a betting house, and that’s fine. I understand the debate over taxpayer dollars going to these firms, and that will go on for a long time. But Goldman is clearly the best at what it does. Morgan Stanley is a betting house, and then you have Citigroup and Bank of America, which are just kind of screwed up. The bank of the moment is JPMorgan Chase. Other than Goldman, JPMorgan Chase and Jamie Dimon are the kings of Wall Street. On investment banking they go toe-to-toe with Goldman

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 07:58:52

So we have Wall Street pretty much dominated by a duopoly of Megabanks, then? Whatever happened to the Sherman Antitrust Act?

BUST THESE TRUSTS, BEFORE AMERICA GOES BROKE!!!

Comment by dude
2009-10-16 08:41:02

See my “quietly in to the night” comment above.

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Comment by michael
2009-10-16 09:01:18

i have been wondering this lateley. what president had the nickname the trustbuster. i’m thinking i may want to read up on him.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 14:10:59

Theodore Teddy Roosevelt and his successor, William Howard Taft.

 
 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 16:59:08

Whatever happened to the Sherman Antitrust Act?

BUST THESE TRUSTS, BEFORE AMERICA GOES BROKE!!!

I believe you can thank PHil Gramm for busting that act. 1999.

We have a problem Houston.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 08:09:01

Guy predicts Dimon’ll be the next treasury secretary. Say he’s ‘Obama’s favorite banker’.
—-
“He’s a Democrat? He’s a Democrat.

“Why? Because he comes from a free-thinking family. His father played violin in their living room during social events when he was growing up. The family talked about a lot of things beyond just the day-to-day. He was exposed to different ideas.”
—-
(I’m not clear on how the violin playing formed his political beliefs. Maybe he played like a gypsy.)

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 14:12:19

“…Maybe he played like a gypsy.”

Yer killin’ ME! :lol:

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Comment by packman
2009-10-16 09:55:01

Other than Goldman, JPMorgan Chase and Jamie Dimon are the kings of Wall Street.

What was old is new again.

Nay - JPM/Chase were the very driving forces behind the creation of the Fed in the early 1900’s.

GS appears to be the new kid on the block with favor. It doesn’t surprise me to see BofA struggling, nor will it surprise me to see WFC go down in flames eventually. They’re competition for the true GS/JPM power players.

GS = PTB (Powers That Be)
JPM = PBT (Power Behind the Throne)

Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:00:55

Remember my suggestion of reading.
The Match King?

Seriously historical reference behind all the kings men, all the kings horses, and all the kingdoms players. JP, GS, so on and so forth!

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-10-16 08:04:00

I don’t get that you can have a loss ,no doubt in part due to bonus
checks ,yet keep these bonus payments ? Were they tied into these bonus structures for years ? What is the deal here ? Is this silence
money?

Oh ,by the way ,I guess I’m going to survive this germ that invaded my body a couple of days ago . I’m still weak ,but I know I’m going make it now . I drank tons of water .

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-10-16 09:30:19

Good to hear Housing.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 08:08:21

Even with access to interest-free loans from the Fed, this bank cannot figure out how to make money. But at least defunct CEO Lewis will be able to enjoy his $69 million retirement package…

Oct. 16, 2009, 10:11 a.m. EDT

Bank of America posts $2.2 billion loss

By Greg Morcroft, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Bank of America said on Friday that it lost more than $2 billion in the third quarter as its provision for credit losses almost doubled, reflecting stressed consumers.

Bank of America (BAC 17.30, -0.80, -4.42%) said its net loss applicable to common shareholders was $2.24 billion, or 26 cents a share, in the third quarter, compared to a profit of $704 million, or 15 cents a share, a year ago.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 08:09:22

“…reflecting stressed consumers.”

Lesson for Megabank, Inc: When plankton dies, so do whales.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-10-16 08:56:39

reflecting stressed consumers.

They could always help reduce that stress by reducing credit card interest rates and fees which they’ve jacked up in the past year. A certain amount of their pain is entirely self inflicted.

More interesting would be to see borrowers default en masse and see if that would finally sink Megabank.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 09:51:17

“They could always help reduce that stress by reducing credit card interest rates and fees which they’ve jacked up in the past year.”

Why not just have the Fed open a special zero-interest credit lending facility directly to American households? Why involve lenders, who have proven themselves mainly good at throwing away money into the sea? It’s time for the Fed to join the microlending bandwagon, and cut out banks that are very bad at the banking business.

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Comment by realestateskeptic
2009-10-16 10:27:24

PB, sounds just like the public option health care debate :-)

 
Comment by oxide
2009-10-16 11:17:54

What, another government takeover. You know, stifling free enterprise and all that.

Sorry skeptic, this is NOT like the public option. Health insurance is something you sort of need to buy, like electricity. [you technically could get along with either, but there are very few who do.] Health insurance companies enjoy guaranteed demand and an anti-trust exemption. Hardly “free” enterprise.

But I really don’t like banks borrowing at low interest rates and turning around and selling for profit. Worse than Enron. I say, let the banks go down gradually. Let people BK, and either cramdown (change the BK law first) or walk. We can go back the days of layaway and cash pay, just like the mid-70’s.

 
Comment by realestateskeptic
2009-10-16 11:48:53

Ox, I just don’t have any more confidence in our government to run health care than I do to run a bank. I don’t support big health care companies, just think they may be the lesser of 2 evils.

Seems to me the Gov’t already has one Bank (treasury/ soc. sec.) and one health care company (medicaid/medicare) and have managed to cause major crisis in both that threaten to bankrupt (formally) our nation.

I don’t want to get involved in the public option stuff and am by no means a Rush or right wing devotee, but I still don’t know why the Dems are pointing to Medicare/Medicaid as a success as it a complete financial mess and if it wasn’t subsidized by what the private sector pays to providers, then we would also be bailing out most hospitals and doctors.

Same thing goes for the Treasury and Social Security…

Wish somebody had a solution that makes sense to my pea brain.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 12:41:53

The plan is, to start thinking of the health care market as a “utility”, because what we have now sure ain’t “free enterprise”.

Have the providers/insurance companies apply prices to a government “rate board”, with provisions on how the “uninsured” are handled.

Part of the problem with costs is that doctors/hospitals are purchasing every “gee-whiz” gadget/drug, no matter what the cost, overusing the equipment to justify the expenditure, and passing along the bill to their customers. It would be nice if there was a little cost/benefit analysis in the acquisition process. Which is one of the things a “rate board” would do.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:08:09

just think they may be the lesser of 2 evils.

You are crazy.

Health ins doubled for next yr. And all ‘you’ guys think about is protecting something, some corp that wants to financially ruin you, and you want to protect them? Why?
IF you had a store, and the store across the street competed with you, that is capitalism, but if that store were wally or Mega Ins, United health care, Metlife etc. and they got all the rules changed to protect themselves and you wound up penniless, because you didnt’ pay off the pols…that is okay? that is NOT capitalism. Capitalism is when you have viable businesses that compete, not MONOPOLIZE the market, and give you no options.
Oh, the option to have no ins, no rights. I get it.

 
 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:03:32

They could always help reduce that stress by reducing credit card interest rates and fees which they’ve jacked up in the past year. A certain amount of their pain is entirely self inflicted.

That surely would put a spin on things if BofA decided to market lowered rates all around etc. Do some major competition with the existing banks. Lower everything..
Ppl would run not walk to the nearest branch and change over accts. I would. I dislike immensely Wamu/chase,jpmorgan…..

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 05:56:37

MGIC Posts Ninth Straight Loss as Defaults Hit Record (Update1)

Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) — MGIC Investment Corp., the largest U.S. mortgage insurer, reported its ninth straight quarterly loss after a record number of homeowners proved unable to meet mortgage payments.

MGIC’s third quarter net loss quadrupled to $517.8 million, or $4.17 a share, from $115.4 million, or 93 cents, in the same period a year earlier, the Milwaukee-based company said today in a statement. Excluding some investment gains, MGIC lost about $4.44 a share, missing the average loss estimate of a $1.74 by six analysts surveyed by Bloomberg.

MGIC’s run of losses, now totaling more than $3 billion, are mounting after U.S. unemployment hit a 26-year high and home foreclosures reached a record. The insurer twice deferred interest payments on a portion of its debt by 10 years this year to conserve cash and had its debt downgraded by Moody’s Investors Service and Fitch Ratings.

Prime delinquencies, or loans to the least-risky borrowers, “are really beginning to accelerate now if you look across the mortgage market,” said Matt Howlett, an analyst at Fox-Pitt Kelton Inc. in New York, in an interview before the results were released. “Unemployment continues to go up. That is what’s driving it.”

Comment by shelby
2009-10-16 06:05:10

Hey that’s Ok, cause everything here in DC is UP for Quarter 3

The rest of the Country can go to hell in a handbasket, but it’s all Ok here

Bidding wars at the low end are back and the mid to high end Sellers still think they can get full asking price !

What recession ?!?

Comment by scdave
2009-10-16 07:46:33

What recession ?!?

Thats why its different this time…Total disconnect with government job vs. private sector job…Private sector is feeling depression or scared that they are next with limited prospects at least as far out as they can see and the government sector is “Party on Garth”…

Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 11:21:35

Until the rest of the world finally decides to write us off.

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Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:09:17

“Party on Garth”…

we’re not worthy.
we’re not worthy.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 07:45:42

‘Prime delinquencies, or loans to the least-risky borrowers, “are really beginning to accelerate now if you look across the mortgage market,” said Matt Howlett, an analyst at Fox-Pitt Kelton Inc. in New York, in an interview before the results were released. “Unemployment continues to go up. That is what’s driving it.”’

Crazy loans with big resets layered over crashing prices has nothing whatsoever to do with it?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 06:02:53

Spoke with a ‘raw’ land salesman early this AM. He said his business was down over 70% this year due to the fact practically no one is lending on non-developed property.
Don’t know if this holds true over most of the country, but apparently it’s true for S. Carolina.
However acre prices here in the mid-lands have dropped very little if at all. Guess they’re waiting on the big miracle turn around.

Comment by az_lender
2009-10-16 07:39:43

This affords me some further insight on why my cousin Sherry (often mentioned here) can’t sell her Maine coast house. Her agent keeps saying, “Nothing is selling,” which isn’t at all true. Almost as many houses in Lincoln County were sold this summer as last summer. But Sherry’s price, reduced only once so far, reflects extra acreage, so is outside the range of what’s moving easily. Of course I keep telling her to move the price down one more notch, but she might have to cut it many more times if extra land is No Asset.

Comment by exeter
2009-10-16 07:48:39

“but she might have to cut it many more times if extra land is No Asset”

Why would it be?

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-16 08:10:41

Land is an valuable asset if you can do something with it..or if it has a great view..

Can her property be subdivide easily will zoning allow a few extra houses to be built? Or can it be made commercial? Horse stables etc?

If nothing can be done with it….then its only value is what you can use it for.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 07:47:32

“…practically no one is lending on non-developed property.

However acre prices here in the mid-lands have dropped very little if at all.”

Why would any bank lend on property whose price is destined to drop like a rock at some point in the near future?

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-10-16 08:08:02

PB …Banks will lend because they can pass the loan to a government insured bag-holder .

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 08:16:25

Spot on. See my post a bit further below (typed just before I read your comment here…).

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 06:05:28

“In our opinion we have passed the bottom of the curve and business is slightly but unmistakingly better and in our opinion will continue to improve slowly.”
~ W. Procter, Pres. Procter & Gamble

< This was written a few months after the October, 1929, stock market crash. Mr. Procter was right. Improvement was slow. It would be 26 years before the Dow Jones industrial Average clawed it way back to where it was in 1929!

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 08:00:55

Now it’s 1930 again, and the PTB are reassuring everyone the crisis is past…

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-10-16 08:36:12

Less bad redux.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-10-16 09:17:34

I use to cheer when Business was better again ,but now it represent something totally different than it use to be to me . If the profits aren’t going back to the people, or sustaining the Citizens of American ,by Business doing better ,than what good is it ? Everybody happy about
millions and millions of dollars going to people like Lewis and Mozillo and God knows who else behind the curtains .

In the meantime they talk and talk and talk about new regulations ,but never get around to doing anything ,so the corrupt systems are just ongoing
and even contorted more to give bail-outs and lifeboats . Its been 5 years since the meltdown started and they will just continue to talk and talk and talk . This is another example of the moral hazard you get when
you don’t bust corrupt systems right when you discover it . And people complain about bonus payments to employees ,but they didn’t choose to come down on the systems that threw the World off a financial cliff . Nothing but a waste of money shoring up corrupted
systems ,just like real estate prices .

Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 11:17:02

I use to cheer when Business was better again ,but now it represent something totally different than it use to be to me . If the profits aren’t going back to the people, or sustaining the Citizens of American ,by Business doing better ,than what good is it ?

Which is why I tell people that the stockmarket rally is meaningless. Funny though how many people refuse to believe me and insist adamantly that its still a valid “leading indicator”

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 14:18:19

Oh it’s a leading indicator alright… just not for what they think it is. :lol:

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 06:18:44

Buyers Suing Trump in Miami Condo Glut as Values Return to 1989.

Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) — Robert Cooper says he has found a way to make money in South Florida’s real estate bust.

Cooper, an attorney in Aventura, Florida, sues for refunds on deposits in the nation’s largest condominium market. In the last two years, he filed lawsuits for about 1,500 buyers against companies and individuals including the Related Group of Florida, Dezer Development LLC, Corus Bankshares Inc., Donald Trump.

More suits seeking refunds under a federal law regulating condo sales have been filed in South Florida than in the rest of the country combined, according to a search of federal court records. Fueling the litigation is a price crash that makes buyers unwilling to pour more money into bad investments — even if they can get financing. Condos on which they made deposits of up to $1,000 a square foot in 2006 are now selling for $125 to $350 a foot, said Jack McCabe, a real estate consultant in Deerfield Beach, Florida.

“If you’re thinking you can come here and buy and sell condos for a profit in less than five years, you’re sadly mistaken,” said McCabe, whose clients have included Credit Suisse Group AG and Pulte Homes Inc., the largest U.S. homebuilder. “You need a seven- to 10-year range.”

Prices could fall to $100 a foot, less than half the cost of construction, and a value not seen in 20 years, he said.

Vacant Condos

In Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties, there are more than 43,000 condos and townhouses on the market, almost 1-1/2 times the number of single-family homes, according to Condo Vultures LLC, a Bal Harbour real estate brokerage. In downtown Miami, more than 8,000 condos stand vacant and unsold, relics of a building binge that added 23,000 condos from 2003 to 2008, said Peter Zalewski, principal of Condo Vultures.

Over the past 12 months, condo prices fell 15 percent in the West Palm Beach-Boca Raton area to a median of $112,200, 36 percent in Fort Lauderdale to $85,100 and 31 percent in Miami to $144,700, according to Florida Association of Realtors data.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 07:44:00

“Buyers Suing Trump in Miami Condo Glut as Values Return to 1989.”

Cool! Only six more years of retracement needed to fulfill FPSS’s prediction…

Comment by SDGreg
2009-10-16 09:20:03

“Buyers Suing Trump in Miami Condo Glut as Values Return to 1989.”

I saw an analysis in the past week or so that suggested housing prices had fallen to late 1980’s levels if priced in gold rather than dollars. hmmm. I wonder to what extend the decline in the dollar is masking price movements in other areas, housing, stock market, etc.?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 10:47:40

Take a look at Detroit housing prices in gold terms if you want to really humor yourself…

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Comment by realestateskeptic
2009-10-16 11:03:25

PB, Sounds like you may have seen the CNN website today:

Is this a $6,900 home bargain?
Detroit’s four-figure home prices are unusual, but investors around the country think foreclosed houses are too cheap to pass up. How to tell a great deal from a money pit.

Before you invest in any depressed real estate market, get to know the area. In Detroit, one block may be a stable community that attracts good renters, while another a few streets away is pocked with boarded-up houses and overgrown lawns.

(Money Magazine) — For a foreclosure, the house at 15461 Kentfield St. in Detroit needed surprisingly little work. The new owner, an investor from the Chicago area named Kevin Holmes, slapped on a coat of paint, pulled up the dirty carpets, and replaced the stolen water heater. The car stashed out back, he learned soon enough, belonged to a neighbor, not a thief using the three-bedroom as a makeshift chop shop.

The simple brick home really wouldn’t look out of place in any middle-income Midwestern neighborhood. But in distressed Detroit, the Kentfield house sold for less than half the sticker price on a new Chevy coupe: $6,900…..

or less than 7 ounces of gold…..

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 12:42:26

“PB, Sounds like you may have seen the CNN website today:”

No, but glad to see the stuff I write here is more and more in harmony with MSM reporting…

 
 
 
 
Comment by In Montana
2009-10-16 08:57:06

I repeat, people need to re-learn sticker shock.

Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-16 12:04:43

To show sticker shock is to admit you’re not wealthy.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 14:22:02

$1000 a sq ft?

$1000 A SQ FT?! :shock:

No, really, how do morons like that have money in the first place?

 
 
Comment by Mad Boy
2009-10-16 06:41:05

Mikey and Leigh,

More madness in Janesville (Rock Co, Wisconsin)

http://gazettextra.com/news/2009/oct/14/condos-take-residence-downtown-janesville/

The housing market is so hot in Rock County that more condo’s are needed. The great quote “It’s a heckuva opportunity for young professionals who want to live downtown, build up some equity and not piddle money away on rent.” This in an area that is one of the highest areas of unemployment in the state because of GM and other companies closing.

I guess there will be competition for those condo’s in Darlington or Edgerton.

—–

Last week there was discussion as to what was happening to all the rail cars:

http://www.vrbo.com/52476#photos

Comment by mikey
2009-10-16 08:00:54

Hi Mad Boy

Good post. There sure seems to be a thing about smalltown storefront bldg renovations into condos overlooking mainstreets lately. They initally appear cheap but seem to fill slowly as high condo fees and taxes must to scare the seniors and the locals. Selling a “box of air” and the HOA concept in the farm belt is a tough sell. A pig in a poke ?

Some are quite nice though. One of my friends checked into the ones in Darlington for his active mom as she’s originally from that area.

Comment by In Montana
2009-10-16 08:59:05

They did some fancy expensive ones here recently, dead center of downtown on a major intersection, but forgot to add extra soundproofing.

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-16 12:10:13

Here in Norfolk they built some 1000 new apartments, many of them like this. The problem is the rents. They are asking $1200/mo for studios, and $1700-$1800/mo for 2 bedroom apartments. I think the median household income in the city is $40K maybe.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 09:53:19

One of my idle fantasies was to buy an old AT&SF caboose (I know where a couple are that would probably sell cheap), remodel the interior, add heat/air conditioning, and build an N-scale model railroad inside it.

My “Man-boose”

Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:18:59

Man-boose! Sounds choo choooooooerrific.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 06:52:27

NASCAR races to cut costs.
NASCAR teams trim everything from travel to benefits.

NASCAR teams spent much of the past decade spending money. On more employees, on private planes, on sprawling headquarters and on making more of their own engines and parts.

Then sponsors and car companies turned out the lights on the long-running party, leaving a nasty hangover for a sport born of moonshine runners. That hangover has left teams grappling with concerns any business owner can appreciate: reducing travel expenses, steering inventory, shedding labor, controlling benefits costs and finding more outside vendors at lower prices.

Two years of intense consolidation among teams allowed for large-scale labor cuts. Teams have now turned their attention in recent months to (literally) nuts-and-bolts costs.

“We don’t think this is a blip on the radar,” says Marshall Carlson, general manager at Hendrick Motorsports. “This is a reset of the business. We’re preparing for much less growth in revenue in the years ahead.”

If that’s the case at Hendrick, the most successful and valuable team in NASCAR, it’s the case for everyone in the sport. The reasons for the financial meltdown in stock-car racing are obvious enough: Sponsors are cutting back, auto manufacturers are reeling and everyday fans are unable or reluctant to spend in the face of a tepid job market.

What began with mass layoffs for many teams last year has mutated to every aspect of the business.

Comment by exeter
2009-10-16 08:02:36

TRASHCAR=sport? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Turn left!!!!!!!

Comment by scdave
2009-10-16 08:58:47

I let someone else say it first :)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 09:10:24

I read somewhere yesterday that there has been a sizable up tick in cancellations of NFL packages on cable. I don’t have cable, and if I did I would spend 10 cents extra for the NFL. What a waste of time and money. Unless you have little else to do, or are an invalid.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 07:08:15

GE Profit Falls 45% as Revenue Trails Estimates (Update4)

Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) — General Electric Co.’s third-quarter profit declined 45 percent as the company scaled back real estate and consumer lending and sold fewer medical machines, leading to a steeper drop in sales than analysts projected.

Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey Immelt is shrinking the finance unit and weighing a reduced stake in NBC Universal as he builds energy, transportation and health-care businesses to help emerge from the recession. The GE Capital plan is ahead of schedule, Immelt said on a conference call after today’s earnings report. Higher losses in consumer finance and fewer real estate transactions reduced the unit’s profit and sales.

“The quarter looks mixed, with revenues disappointing,” said Joel Levington, the director who tracks GE for Brookfield Investment Management Inc. in New York.

Profit from continuing operations declined to $2.45 billion, or 22 cents a share, from $4.48 billion, or 45 cents, a year earlier, the company said in a statement. The average profit estimate of 13 analysts in a Bloomberg survey, excluding some items, was 20 cents a share. Results include 5 cents a share of restructuring costs, GE said.

Revenue fell 20 percent to $37.8 billion, trailing the average estimate of $39.7 billion. The figure was “in-line with our expectations,” GE said in the statement.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 10:01:27

“…..builds energy, transportation and health care businesses*……”

*Primarily by closing their US facilities and opening overseas facilities.

There, fixed it.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 10:30:12

Sounds like the big boyz are running out of bodies to lay off. I doubt GE will be the only behemoth to report falling profits. IBM and HP are hanging in there, but I also think they too will run out of “expensive Americans” to fire and replace with Chindians.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 12:18:56

The latest trick is to cut back the hours of their full timers. In a way, it makes sense and is an admirable way of handling a downturn…….as long as everybody in the food chain takes a bite of the $hit sandwich.

If done to help the stock price, so the suits can cash out their options, not so much.

Local aircraft repair shop just cut their full timers to 24 hour work weeks. My old buddies at one of the General Aviation OEMs said effective June 1, Salaried Exempts had to take 4 weeks of unpaid leave between June 1 and November 30, along with burning their PTO……..company reducing the number of hours they could accrue before they lost it.

That was for the people they kept……….600 engineers and salaried exempts started getting laid off in June. Needed to keep them around long enough to work thru the 5-6000 layoffs in the bargaining unit.

Not to mention all the subcontractors who are going down the tubes. They won’t be around if business picks back up. More work transferred to Shanghai.

Green shoots? More like “brown shoots” around here. Go long stock in the company that makes “Depends”.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 16:25:20

As I was saying last night, the only deflation I see is wages.

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Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:21:32

as long as everybody in the food chain takes a bite of the $hit sandwich.

But that doesn’t happen. Not in my corp. The $hit sandwich is what the mgmnt team doesn’t even know about, They sure know the ‘lettuce’ bonuses.

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Comment by cobaltblue
2009-10-16 07:57:22

Tying It Together: Massive, Pernicious Fraud

Let’s not mince words here:

The entire finance and real-estate “industry” is filled with massive, pernicious fraud, and we now have only one question remaining - will The Government do its lawful and mandated job, that of prosecuting the bad actors, or has it joined with the fraudsters, become one with them, and thus, declare itself as a gang of mobsters rather than a legitimate government? The latter, of course will beg only the question of what should be an ordinary American’s response.

Let’s start with what may be one of the most outrageous yet least-actionable examples: Alan Greenspan.

Alan Greenspan, the former Federal Reserve chairman, said Thursday that banking regulators should consider breaking up large financial institutions considered “too big to fail.”

Those banks have an implicit subsidy allowing them to borrow at lower cost because lenders believe the government will always back them up. That squeezes out competition and creates a danger to the financial system, Mr. Greenspan told the Council on Foreign Relations in New York, according to Bloomberg News.
This is the “former Fed President” who winked and nodded at what he knew was an unlawful merger of Citibank and Travelers, then personally advocated and lobbied for the passage of Gramm-Leach-Bliley - the law that not only tore down Glass-Steagall but retroactively made that merger legal.

Citibank, may I remind everyone, has been the largest of the “too big to fail” banks, and has received what is arguably somewhere around $2 trillion in “support”, both formal and informal, over the last 20 years. Today, Citibank has outstanding hundreds of billions of dollars in formal government backstops.

Let us next progress to the mess in our Real Estate markets. And here I will take a page from history:

…Florida, 1920’s… By 1925 they were buying anything, anywhere, so long as it was in Florida. One had only to announce a new development, be it honest or fraudulent, be it on the Atlantic Ocean or deep in the wasteland of the interior, to set people scrambling for house lots. “Manhattan Estates” was advertised as being “not more than three fourths of a mile from the prosperous and fast-growing city of Nettie”; there was no such city as Nettie, the name being that of an abandoned turpentine camp, yet people bought.

Uh huh. And what did they buy with?

During the 1920s and into the early 30s, many of the citizenry of this country chose to live above their means. They chose the interest only loan because it allowed them to purchase a larger home for less money. What happened when the stock market crashed and jobs were scarce, and there was no income? Many of these people were left without homes; as they had chosen to simply pay the interest on their mortgage there was no equity built into their homeownership. When no equity builds, and the income ceases, the bank forecloses and residents are forced from their homes.

Of course in the 1920s there were no computers, and therefore whatever you wanted to sell you had to be able to record in a ledger book and work on a piece of paper or adding machine. This made the concept of 100,000-page “offering documents” impossible, but it sure didn’t stop people from “inventing” interest-only loans that would never have their principal paid off.

Uh huh.

And what do we have banks demanding today?

Oct. 13 (Bloomberg) — Banks will push the Obama administration to expand its mortgage-modification program to allow interest-only periods on reworked loans, seeking to bring more homeowners into the initiative while recognizing concern that it may only postpone defaults, according to JPMorgan Chase & Co.

You mean “seeking to rip off more homeowners and steal their house”, right?
(From K. Denninger)
full article: http://market-ticker.denninger.net/

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 08:15:23

The banks have the sweetest of deals right now:

1) Most mortgages they make come with gubmint guarantees, implying they will be made whole if the homeowners go into default.

2) They may not be able to lend at very high interest rates, but the very high (Fed-supported) home prices make up for what they lose in percentage.

3) The high risk of default coupled with mortgage guarantees suggests that if they can underwrite loans they know are unlikely to ever be repaid, they can rest assured they will be able to foreclose on the collateral at the full amount loan, then sell the REO to the next greater fool who takes the $8000 tax credit as sufficient incentive to buy an overpriced home.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 08:18:33

4) The Fed loans them money at 0% which they can loan out to home buyers at the going mortgage rate, pocketing the spread right up until the day the owner stops making payments, at which point the lender can collect the principle guarantee claims payment from Uncle Sam.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 08:38:53

Just imagine how many American small businesses and households are going under right now because, unlike Megabank, Inc, they don’t have access to zero-interest lending through any of the Fed’s myriad NBLB* lending facilities? I am guessing the recession would be much less severe (save for perhaps the collapse of a few banks which made crazy lending part of their business plan) if there were a level playing field where the Fed could not exercise discretion over who gets interest-free loans and who doesn’t. That is actually the role the lending market is supposed to serve, but the Fed’s ZIRP for banks has undercut the lending market’s ability to set interest rates at a level that reflects a private lender’s various risks (including an inflation risk premium).

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 08:45:24

*NBLB = No Banker Left Behind

 
Comment by dude
2009-10-16 08:46:49

+1

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 08:56:40

“*NBLB = No Banker Left Behind”

Yep, The no bankster left behind act was passed many decades ago, and continues to live up to it’s name. Of course when you control the money you run the show.

It’s like watching a dog do tricks for a biscuit, when you watch the interaction between the 535 on the hill and the FED along with GS and wall street.

I’ll bark, but I won’t bite… the hand that feeds me.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-10-16 09:57:43

“how many American small businesses and households”

The Fed only answers to its shareholders.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:24:23

how many American small businesses and households are going under right now because, unlike Megabank, Inc, they don’t have access to zero-interest lending through any of the Fed’s myriad NBLB* lending facilities

Heard from a few small biz owners, manufacturing goods here in the US, they were moaning they couldnt’ get funding to hire more, upgrade machines etc. So, they are trying to not go under instead.

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-10-16 08:50:38

As Warren says below
To Big to Fail has become Too Bigger to Fail.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 09:49:20

Too-big-to-fail keeps biggering and biggering and biggering.

 
 
 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-10-16 09:32:02

The entire finance and real-estate “industry” is filled with massive, pernicious fraud, and we now have only one question remaining - will The Government do its lawful and mandated job, that of prosecuting the bad actors,

Of course there was massive fraud with little prosecution so far. And as long as these businesses control enough of the government, why should I expect the level of prosecutions to change?

But suppose it did. Besides many people going to jail, would it more easily open up the financial institutions to massive civil judgments?

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-10-16 08:06:45

Dow 10,000, we hardly knew ye.

Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 08:35:05

In this bazaar world we live in, I won’t be surprised if the DOW turns around this afternoon and ends green.

Comment by Michael Viking
2009-10-16 10:44:11

Me neither…and it looks like it’s on its way back up. Unreal.

 
 
 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-16 08:08:10

Grr. Inquired about renting this 2600 sqft dumpy office next to my apartment for a “hacker space.” Told them what I was looking to pay, Realtor showed it but owner wants $1750/mo versus $750/mo we are offering. It really is a dump, but I thought we finally had a space. It would have worked, and been nice. Going to be bummed all weekend. Guy who owns it is a local judge. Got it for $30K in the 80s. Wants $2500/mo now. It’s seriously pretty hurting inside. Been empty for a long time.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 10:08:25

See the same thing around here………older commercial properties sitting vacant for years and years, because the owners are holding out for their “asking” purchase/rental price. So, vacant they sit………

Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-16 12:21:19

Yea, and the buildings are starting to suffer damage from nature. Vines growing up the back and into the trim, rust, roof leaks, etc.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:26:56

So, vacant they sit………

What we see around the main street. Empty commercial spaces galore. GALORE. So folks walking around looking for (if there were dispensable incomes to spend)places to spend/shop. Very little to be had, and not much variety with what there is.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 08:11:35

Wages tumble toward 18-year low USA TODAY

A bad economy and low inflation are starting to drag down wages for millions of everyday workers and freeze benefits for millions of retirees.

Average weekly wages have fallen 1.4% this year for private-sector workers through September, after adjusting for inflation, to $616.11, a USA TODAY analysis of Bureau of Labor Statistics data found. If that trend holds, it will mark the biggest annual decline in real wages since 1991.

The bureau’s data cover 82% of private-sector workers but exclude managers and some higher-paid professionals.

“Wages are usually the last thing to deteriorate in a recession,” says economist Heidi Shierholz of the liberal Economic Policy Institute. “But it’s happening now, and wages are probably going to be held down for a long time.”

Colorado announced this week it will become the first state to lower its minimum wage since the federal minimum wage law was passed in 1938. The state will cut its rate by 4 cents to $7.24 an hour Jan. 1, to reflect a drop in the consumer price index.

Comment by measton
2009-10-16 08:46:12

Now factor in
1. Higher sales taxes and fees and fewer services provided by the state.
2. Factor in higher fuel costs due to speculation/manipulation/and printing.

Disposable income is in the toilet.

Except that is for Wall Street CEO’s.

I’m investing in pitchforks and petrol bombs. At some point these things are going to make me a lot of money, selling them to angry mobs.

Comment by scdave
2009-10-16 09:11:18

Not sure about pitchforks but the anger is surely there and growing…I hate to use this term but where is the Black Swan ?? What event is going to tip the whole thing over into complete public disorder ??

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 10:11:58

“Average weekly wage……….for private sector workers”

I assume this figure includes all the “bonus babies” from the hedge funds, Goldman Sucks, etc. I’d like to see that number after the top 5-10% of wage earners are excluded, to show what the real “J6P” number is.

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Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 11:08:07

What event is going to tip the whole thing over into complete public disorder ??

I think we might have had a preview today with GE’s tumbling profits. The Fortune 500 can only kick the can so far doen the road while they continue to layoff their customers. I’m guessing that by early next year Corporate America won’t be able to hide the ugly truth anymore. Of course they are all hoping for a miracle, which is why the talking heads keep insisting that the depression is over.

Now get out there and spend. We’re talking to you Joe 6 Pack!

Of course we all know that isn’t going to happen.

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Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 13:39:42

I’m investing in pitchforks and petrol bombs.

Nobody sells Molotov Cocktails for less than Crazy Vladimir, nobody!

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 14:05:33

Several people have commented about the “shortage” of small arms ammunition, specifically 5.56mm and most handgun calibers.

Is this shortage due to J6P getting a bad case of Obamaphobia?

Or are the Wall Street Boyz using their bonuses to buy up all the ammo as a self preservation measure?

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Comment by Cassandra
2009-10-16 15:59:05

It’s Obamaphobia. The ammo producers wont ramp up production because there are high fixed costs, and they know that historically such runs on ammo are short lived.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:29:08

Is this shortage due to J6P

What she said.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Jon
2009-10-16 09:43:09

“Colorado announced this week it will become the first state to lower its minimum wage since the federal minimum wage law was passed in 1938. The state will cut its rate by 4 cents to $7.24 an hour Jan. 1, to reflect a drop in the consumer price index.”

If only everyone would take massive paycuts this recession would be over in no time. Colorodians (Coloradese?) seem to know this instinctively.

It is great that we have finally become a society that seeks to inflict real pain on each other as often as possible. We’re finally shirking off the greatest generation and moving in a sexy, new direction.

Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 10:59:11

Colorodians (Coloradese?)

Depending own who you ask we are either:

Coloradoans

or

Coloradans

I hear ‘Coloradoan’ used much more.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 09:45:47

“Wages tumble toward 18-year low USA TODAY”

Contrast this to some other news on compensation out this week. When you read about Wall Street on track for record pay in the immediate aftermath of the worst meltdown since 1929 or so, you don’t have to wonder much about why making crazy loans that anyone in their right mind would have known would never be paid back was standard operating procedure for Megabank, Inc during the bubble years. Securitization of crazy loans richly rewarded Wall Street far beyond what financial prudence would have rewarded them, thanks to the Fed’s free too-big-to-fail bailout insurance policy.

* The Wall Street Journal
* OCTOBER 14, 2009

Wall Street On Track To Award Record Pay

BY AARON LUCCHETTI AND STEPHEN GROCER

Major U.S. banks and securities firms are on pace to pay their employees about $140 billion this year — a record high that shows compensation is rebounding despite regulatory scrutiny of Wall Street’s pay culture.

Workers at 23 top investment banks, hedge funds, asset managers and stock and commodities exchanges can expect to earn even more than they did the peak year of 2007, according to an analysis of securities filings for the first half of 2009 and revenue estimates through year-end by The Wall Street Journal.

 
Comment by packman
2009-10-16 10:13:19

Average weekly wages have fallen 1.4% this year for private-sector workers through September, after adjusting for inflation

The key thing.

Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:31:27

Contract update. Corp says they are only interested in a ‘no gain’ contract.
So, if we want x, they take y away.
So, looks like the -35% is here to stay. 1983 wages live on. Or to rephrase. 1983 wages to live on. NOT.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 16:32:36

This is the REAL deflation.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 08:12:09

I call BS on this guy’s math. It is totally simple to modify an unemployed homeowner’s mortgage to 31% of income:

31% X $0 = $0.

Oct. 15, 2009, 7:50 p.m. EDT

Mountain of modifications
Industry tries to keep up with avalanche of troubled mortgages

By Steve Kerch, MarketWatch

SAN DIEGO (MarketWatch) — Millions of homeowners are struggling to make their monthly mortgage payments and the continued deterioration in the job market guarantees millions more will be at risk in the coming months.

That is putting a huge burden on mortgage-modification programs, both those run by the government and an increasing number operated by private industry, which are in a struggle of their own to stay ahead of the tide of potential foreclosures.

A housing counselor helps a homeowner facing foreclosure assess payment options, at a Housing Rescue Fair in Dallas, Texas. (Reuters)

“The subprime problem, by and large, has been dealt with,” said John Courson, chief executive of the Mortgage Bankers Association. “It’s a different kind of borrower now that we are trying to assist. And a lot of programs we have won’t work now. You can’t modify someone’s mortgage to 31% of income if they have no income.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 16:34:28

He’s lying through his teeth. This board just posted article YESTERDAY that show him to be a liar.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 08:22:52

Park developer files for bankruptcy.
Housing, retail, concerts proposed for historic Brandywine site.

The Brandywine company that is trying to redevelop a historic concert venue has filed for bankruptcy protection, but its CEO says its efforts will continue.

The Arthur W. Wilmer Foundation filed Friday for Chapter 11 protection in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Maryland.

Since September 2002, the for-profit company has worked to build a $200 million housing-retail-entertainment complex on the 80-acre site known as Wilmer’s Park, which once hosted musical legends such as B.B. King, Gladys Knight and the Pips, James Brown and Stevie Wonder. Wilmer’s daughter, Leslie, started the company after the Brandywine park’s entertainment operation shut down in 2001. The park opened in 1951.

Bruce D. Chatman, president and CEO of the company and owner of the site, intends to create a 384-unit gated community for residents 55 years and older, featuring recreational facilities, a shopping center, a full-service dialysis center and a hotel. To continue the park’s entertainment tradition, Chatman’s proposal also includes a 5,000-seat, open-air amphitheater.

The Prince George’s County Council approved a special zoning exemption for the park in 2007, creating a definition for a rural entertainment park as part of the county zoning code.

Chatman said the bankruptcy filing has not changed its plans for the development and that the project remains in its engineering and architectural states. He declined to comment on reasons for the filing.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 16:37:04

…because god knows we have a serious shortage and burning need for more housing-retail-entertainment complexes. :lol:

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-16 16:48:36

And what does this mean exactly?

Chatman said the bankruptcy filing has not changed its plans for the development and that the project remains in its engineering and architectural states.

Damn the solvency, full speed ahead? We’re looking for new financing to complete the existing skeleton? We’ve got the renderings if you’ve got the cash?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 18:19:37

It means they still have the cocktail napkin they sketched it out on. And if you’ve got the money…

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Comment by measton
2009-10-16 08:43:25

Elizabeth Warren, chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel, is the rare public official who doesn’t mince words.
But Warren admits to being “speechless” at reports of record bonuses on Wall Street.

“I do not understand how financial institutions could think they could take taxpayer money and turn around and act like it’s business as usual,” Warren says. “I don’t understand how they can’t see that the world has changed in a fundamental way - it’s not business as usual. All I can say right now is they seem to be winning this argument.”

In the accompanying video, taped at The Economist’s Buttonwood Gathering at Pace University, I asked Warren about Treasury Secretary’s claim at the same event that the government has been “remarkably effective” in combating the financial crisis.

“It is not the case people go to bed wondering if there will be an economy in the morning,” she quips, but “we still have lot of serious problems.”

Comparing the situation today vs. a year ago, Warren observes:

Even Too Bigger to Fail: A year ago the big concern was systemic risk and how to deal with ‘too big to fail’ firms, she recalls. Now “the big are bigger, we wiped out a lot of small folks and there’s more concentration” in the banking system.
Still Toxic: TARP was created explicitly to remove toxic assets from bank balance sheets. “They’re still there by and large.”
Stress Test Failure: Unemployment has “blown through” the worst-case scenario in the stress test from February, Warren notes. But “we haven’t repeated the stress test, or revealed any more information about what’s going on inside these financial institutions.”
In sum, “all the things going on [a year ago] that were serious, serious problems for the financial institutions seem to me are still serious, serious problems,” she says.

Finally, Warren pulls no punches when it comes to her criticism of former Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson for his failure to put any restrictions on or monitoring of the initial TARP funds, and for using the money for something other than “toxic asset relief,” as originally intended.

Paulson needs a one way trip to jail.

Comment by palmetto
2009-10-16 09:04:19

“Paulson needs a one way trip to jail.”

The sooner, the better. Unfortunately, the only way Paulson will meet his just rewards is if there is a complete breakdown of the system here in the US. Then he’s fair game.

These guys ought to be really concerned and learn the lessons of the French Revolution. Or even of Nazi Germany. Or the Russian Oligarchs. Sure, they could leave the country and hide somewhere. But if I’m them, I might be concerned about being hunted down, or having a substance slipped into my food.

They’re fools, in a way. Arrogantly convinced of their own invulnerability. Globalization is a double edged sword. I’d like to see some of these turds screaming about their “rights to due process” as they get hauled off to an internation court.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 10:29:21

Trotsky tried to hide in Mexico.

Didn’t work out too well.

Sometimes you wish your leadership was a little less touchy-feely sensitive, and a little more Stalin-esqe.

Or maybe took responsibility for failure like Matome Ugaki.

Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:35:07

Even Mengele was found.

Love Elizabeth Warren. What a breath of fresh air.
You see her and ’sort of’ have hope, not that she can turn around the arrogance Paulson et al still partake of, but at least, you know you aren’t crazy. Those aren’t voices in your head. It is real. They are thieves and bastards.

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-10-16 09:43:23

Gotta say, I really like that lady; she speaks truth in the face of power, and she speaks it in plain, easy to understand language.

How I wish we had more people like her in the public arena.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 09:48:14

“I do not understand how financial institutions could think they could take taxpayer money and turn around and act like it’s business as usual,”

Please spare us the histrionics. Actions speak louder than words.

‘Still Toxic: TARP was created explicitly to remove toxic assets from bank balance sheets. “They’re still there by and large.”’

While the Fed and other members of the PTB are eagerly and triumphantly thumping their chests over rescuing the country from the crisis, the abject failure of the TARP to serve its intended purpose is never, ever mentioned.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-10-16 11:22:17

I really think the intent all along was to find a way of making those AIG credit default swaps pay off . I really don’t think normally you could call Insurance obligations something that would qualify under
a TARP save the credit markets FIRE call . So what if a Insurance company had to sell all their assets to pay their casino bets . It could of been
a orderly affair . You don’t hear very much about AIG these days .

The Insurance Companies ,on all levels ,are really starting to piss me off these days . They demand a certain profit margin and apparently will do anything to maintain that . The Insurance policies these days are crap based on what you pay for them ,verses the ones I remember that were written not more than 20 years ago . Exclusions after exclusions are written in every year. What a way to get others
people money and not give anything back .

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 16:42:32

“You know, you really need some ‘protection’ in this neighborhood. If I were you, I would wouldn’t want to not have any if something, should, ya know, happen.”

It’s only insurance when I have a choice to buy it or not.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 08:48:57

“College education is a costly proposition with tuition, room and board at some colleges topping $50,000 a year. Is it worth it? Increasing evidence suggests that it’s not.”

“Today’s college students are generally dumber than their predecessors.”

~ Professor Walter Williams

Comment by X-philly
2009-10-16 09:10:46

About ten years ago I was chatting with an intern at work, he was a senior at Penn State. When he told me his major was American Lit, I asked him which author was his favorite, expecting him to answer Emerson, Faulkner, Steinbeck, Thoreau…one out of that basket.

His reply:
Stephen King

Ol’ Tennessee Williams didn’t even make the cut.

 
Comment by scdave
2009-10-16 09:13:29

My nereby University is around $45,000./Yr.

Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 10:26:42

Ours is 5K (tuition)

 
 
Comment by shelby
2009-10-16 09:37:48

I’m payn’ 5K a MONTH for my brainiac’s Ivy…

Thank God I don’t own a house & can afford it ;)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 10:38:05

“Today’s college students are generally dumber than their predecessors.”

My Freshman daughter tells me that her profs ask her if she’s a senior, because she does the best work in her classes. She has also told me she’s kind of shocked at how airheaded many of her classmates are.

Comment by Al
2009-10-16 11:17:47

Could be a side effect of students being accepted based upon their parent’s bank accounts (or lines of credit) instead of their intelligence. Of course how you can go by intelligence, when everyone gets an A in high school.

Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 11:35:11

Its a State University. She could have aimed higher (of course it would have cost a lot more). Instead we decided that the should attend UNC (Northern Colorado, not North Carolina) and aim high when she goes to grad school.

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Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:39:23

when everyone gets an A in high school.

‘No Child Left Behind’. ETS monopoly for tests for students. ala Bill Bennett, former worker at ETS, then Education secretary/czar, and crazy mo fo who hates public schooling. Privatize the hell out of schools, make more money. The hell with learning. money money money money moneymoneyyyyyyyy

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Comment by CentralCoastDude
2009-10-16 17:52:30

In CO they are all super-stoners in college.

 
 
 
Comment by whino
2009-10-16 09:02:38

An animated map of the job gains and losses from 2004 to 2009. Quite shocking to see the destruction nation wide.

The Geography of jobs

http://tipstrategies.com/archive/geography-of-jobs/?fark

Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 10:24:21

Interesting. The places with biggest real estate price increases (followed by the biggest losses) also had the big job additions followed by the biggest job losses.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 12:49:27

That is an awesome visual, but if I understand what they did, there is a bit of statistical deception involved, as the viewer would naturally assume the area of the circles is proportional to the amount of job loss, while I believe the programmer set up his visual so job loss scales with diameter.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-10-16 20:49:16

Let me guess…this has little application to the Amish? ;-)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 09:21:50

Six people charged in insider trading case
Billionaire hedge fund boss, 5 others charged in $20 million insider trading case. Friday October 16, 2009

NEW YORK (AP) — A billionaire hedge fund boss was among five men and a woman arrested by federal authorities Friday in a hedge fund insider trading case that prosecutors say reaped $20 million in illegal profits.

Raj Rajaratnam, a partner in Galleon Management and a portfolio manager for Galleon Group, a hedge fund with up to $7 billion in assets under management, was accused of conspiring with others to cause trades based on insider information about three publicly traded companies.

Those companies were identified in court papers as Polycom, Hilton Hotels Corp. and Google Inc.

According to the court papers, Rajaratnam obtained insider information and then caused the Galleon Technology Funds to execute trades that earned a profit of more than $12.7 million between January 2006 and July 2007. Other schemes garnered millions more, authorities said.

Five others charged in the scheme included Rajiv Goel, a director of strategic investments at Intel Capital, the investment arm of Intel Corp., Anil Kumar, a director at McKinsey & Co. Inc., a global management consulting firm and Robert Moffat, senior vice president and group executive at International Business Machines Corp.’s Systems and Technology Group.

The other two people charged in the case were identified as Danielle Chiesi and Mark Kurland. According to court papers, Chiesi worked for New Castle, the equity hedge fund group of Bear Stearns Asset Management Inc. that had assets worth about $1 billion under management. Kurland is a top executive at New Castle.

A criminal complaint filed in the case shows that an unidentified person involved in the insider trading scheme began cooperating and authorities obtained wiretaps of conversations between the defendants.

In one conversation about a pending deal that was described in a criminal complaint, Chiesi is quoted as saying: “I’m dead if this leaks. I really am. … and my career is over. I’ll be like Martha (expletive) Stewart.”

Comment by exeter
2009-10-16 09:57:26

We cannot risk jailing the wealthy elite…. we “need” them….

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 10:39:55

I wonder what Chiesi and Kurlan’s bonuses were last year, and this year.

After all, these guys are “too valuable to lose”.

 
Comment by Al
2009-10-16 11:24:11

What we need is hard working, intelligent people to be successful and wealthy. Gives us something to emulate. What we get is fraudsters and scammers who become wealthy.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 16:51:02

To badly paraphrase Ghandi -

“It is difficult though not impossible to make a very good living being honest in business, but it is all but impossible to get become rich without cheating.”

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Comment by measton
2009-10-16 10:05:11

For all those hopping for some of the elite to go to jail you can forget about it.

WASHINGTON – A Goldman Sachs executive has been named the first chief operating officer of the Securities and Exchange Commission’s enforcement division.

The market watchdog says Adam Storch, vice president in Goldman Sachs’ Business Intelligence Group, is assuming the new position of managing executive of the SEC division.

The move comes as the SEC revamps its enforcement efforts following the agency’s failure to uncover Bernard Madoff’s massive fraud scheme for nearly two decades despite numerous red flags.

Storch, who will be responsible for project management and operations, will report to SEC Enforcement Director Robert Khuzami.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-10-16 10:43:07

Sometimes, it is better to “hire a poacher to hunt poachers”.

Smart money isn’t betting on that happening.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 10:57:07

“A Goldman Sachs executive has been named the first chief operating officer of the Securities and Exchange Commission’s enforcement division”.

Sweeeet!

The money mafia will always take care of their own. At certain levels there has always been and will always be, honor among thieves.

“This thing of ours”

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-10-16 11:31:59

Interesting how Hank Paulson all of a sudden retired from GS and became Sec Treasury and his former Company became a beneficiary
of the Bail Outs by AIG pay offs .

Comment by measton
2009-10-16 12:57:08

Not interesting at all

He saved 200 million dollars in taxes he would have had to pay on sales of GS stock.
He sold right before hte collapse that he knew was coming.
He probably was promised even more riches for handing Goldman well over 12 billion via TARP and AIG bailout.

Read his Wikipedia bio but bring some peptobismol.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 14:21:50

I read somewhere that during his tenure at the treasury, Paulson “made” an additional $700 million on currency trades, that he had set into play ‘before’ his stint at the dept.

When you are at the tip top of the Heep and all around you are in complete collusion, you can’t lose.

Imagine have the keys to the vault, to the printing press along with having congress on your pay roll.

As Jimmy Cagney said in a movie once..” I’m king of the world…ma”.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 23:39:20

I also read somewhere that Paulson loaded up his portfolio on l-t T-bonds, just before the big govt-engineered financial panic of last fall. That is exactly the asset you want to have when a panic ensues…

 
 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 12:13:39

They need to hire someone who was *fired* by Goldman Sachs. And is pissed about it.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 12:50:27

Nothing like putting foxes in charge of the chicken coop…

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 16:54:14

As I’ve said before, “…the greatest financial coup d’etat in the history of mankind.”

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-10-16 10:06:53

It seems SEC workers should have to be promoted up through the system. No hiring the wolf to guard the hen house. They should also be barred from taking jobs in financial services for 10-20 years after they leave the SEC.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 17:01:12

measton, being promoted up through the system went out of style 25 years ago in almost every industry and livleyhood. Right about when offshoring got big.

It was almost wholly replaced by the patrician or “connections” system.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 10:33:59

Excerpt ~ From The Daily Reckoning…

Associated Press:

“The number of households caught up in the foreclosure crisis rose more than 5 percent from summer to fall as a federal effort to assist struggling borrowers was overwhelmed by a flood of defaults among people who lost their jobs.

“The foreclosure crisis affected nearly 938,000 properties in the July- September quarter, compared with about 890,000 in the prior three months, according to a report released Thursday by RealtyTrac Inc. That puts foreclosure-related filings on a pace to hit about 3.5 million this year, up from more than 2.3 million last year.”

What an economy!

The Dow is now back over the 10,000 mark…just where it was in March 1999 - 10 years ago. Is that progress…or what?

During that time, the dollar has lost about a quarter of its purchasing power. That means stock market investors have lost only about 25% or their money over the decade. Not too bad, huh?

And, oh yes…they’ve lost their jobs too…

AP continues:

“Unemployment is the main reason homeowners are falling into trouble. While the economy is likely out of recession, the unemployment rate - now at a 26-year high of 9.8 percent - isn’t expected to peak until the middle of next year.”

But hey…we’re not going to complain. We’ve got a job - trying to figure out what is going on. And that is a job that is recession-proof. Everyone wants to know what will happen next. When times turn tough they want to know even more.

So, will someone please tell us what is going on…we want to know too!

“What do you think?” asked a friend at dinner last night. “The way I see it, Obama’s goose is cooked. He’s stuck. He can’t go forward and he can’t back up. He can’t back away from all those promises - including his promise to rescue the US economy. If he does, the voters and his own party will revolt. On the other hand, he doesn’t have the money to go forward. He has to borrow it. And if tries to borrow much more, the Chinese will revolt.

“His only hope is that the economy revives…so he doesn’t have to do anything. And that’s not going to happen.”

Why not? Wait a minute…you already know the answer to that question. Because it’s a depression. It’s the end of the road for the consumer credit economy. Consumers did their best. They borrowed as much as they could. They spent like there was no tomorrow.

But now, it IS tomorrow. And now, they’ve got to settle up. So, boo hoo…no more wild parties. Daddy took the T-bird away. Get over it.

What should Obama have done? Nothing. But the last chief of state to do that in a time of financial crisis was Warren G. Harding - one of America’s best presidents. That’s what he did in the panic of 1920. How come we don’t hear much about the crisis of 1920?

Because Harding didn’t do anything; it went away.

But that was a long time ago. Now, presidents are expected to do something. They have too many people around them who stand to make a buck out of it.

Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 10:54:15

Harding had a couple of things going for him:

The US was a creditor nation
The US ran a trade surplus

Today? Not so much.

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-10-16 13:33:21

The US was a creditor nation
The US ran a trade surplus

So why was there a panic?

Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-16 14:18:29

Harding didn’t have good spin doctors?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 11:47:25

“The foreclosure crisis affected nearly 938,000 properties in the July- September quarter, compared with about 890,000 in the prior three months, according to a report released Thursday by RealtyTrac Inc. That puts foreclosure-related filings on a pace to hit about 3.5 million this year, up from more than 2.3 million last year.”

No shadow inventory here… move along, folks…

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 12:29:45

Didn’t Hoover try doing nothing? How did that work out?

Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 13:02:39

What???????

Re-read history, he stared the programs that FDR ran Against! Of course FDR reneged on his campaign platform soon after the election. I will always be amazed at how little people know or comprehend about history. It’s all there, look it up.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 14:01:30

Alright, I looked it up in Wikipedia:

When the Wall Street Crash of 1929 struck less than eight months after he took office, Hoover tried to combat the following Great Depression with volunteer efforts, none of which produced economic recovery during his term. The consensus among historians is that Hoover’s defeat in the 1932 election was caused primarily by failure to end the downward economic spiral…

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 13:16:35

“Roosevelt denounced Hoover’s failures to restore prosperity or even halt the downward slide, and he ridiculed Hoover’s huge deficits. Roosevelt campaigned on the Democratic platform advocating “immediate and drastic reductions of all public expenditures,” “abolishing useless commissions and offices, consolidating bureaus and eliminating extravagances reductions in bureaucracy,” and for a “sound currency to be maintained at all hazards”.

~~FDR on the campaign trail… He continuously slammed Hoover’s huge government programs and expenditures.

How’d that work out?

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-10-16 13:22:07

And how is it working for us now?

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Comment by packman
2009-10-16 13:31:57

Much like FDR - we may not know for another 60-70 years. Right now I’d say FDR’s programs are failing us dramatically, or are about to.

(Fannie Mae and SS are two that immediately come to mind)

I doubt Bush/Obama will get the luxury FDR had, of a major world war to bail their expensive policies out, as well as the ability for the government to rack up 80% of GDP or so in additional debt. Bush/Obama will have a much shorter leash to work with.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 13:54:29

“(Fannie Mae and SS are two that immediately come to mind)”

Yes, and our SS system was based on the German system, the retirement age of 65 was chosen because the average age of death was between 57 & 61 so it was thought that the vast majority of benefits would never have to be paid out.

No need to ask how’s that working for ya, it’s there for everyone to see.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 14:24:25

Much like FDR - we may not know for another 60-70 years. Right now I’d say FDR’s programs are failing us dramatically, or are about to.

Well, under FDR’s policies, we became the richest most powerful country in history. Not bad, eh? After Reagan etc deregulated,trickled down, and basically gutted FDR’s programs, we blew all our money, lost all our industry, and now we’re totally skrewed.

I say thus far the advantage is FDR’s.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 16:02:11

“Well, under FDR’s policies, we became the richest most powerful country in history”.

What???

Again, I am not sure you understand when the Industrial age began? It was not under FDR, but then again I am not sure what you were taught in school and when.

FDR did nothing to strengthen the fabric of this country, he did do a very good job of under mining it though.

If you consider debt “wealth” then you are correct, FDR charted the course.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 16:36:33

Yeah, the post WW2 period was pretty bleak for the US.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:46:55

FDR did nothing to strengthen the fabric of this country

Are you crazy? The programs did a lot for bringing the citizens back together in to many ways to count out for you.

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 14:19:22

FDR won, so I guess it worked out well for FDR.

You do realize that claiming Hoover was a proponent of large-scale gov intervention in the economy flies in the face of pretty much every accepted account of his presidency. I’m sure you can dig some quotes up to imply otherwise, but it’s a mighty long stretch to pretend Hoover was some sort of economic interventionist. The vast majority of historians would laugh at the idea, but like I said, I’m sure there are some ‘perfect free marketers’ out there who think he messed up the perfect workings of the (apparently unattainable?) perfect free market. (Somewhere, over the rainbow, maybe we’ll finally get to see that perfect free market at work-and working successfully. Maybe in the next world?)

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Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-10-16 13:24:43

Didn’t Hoover try doing nothing? How did that work out?

Alpha, you are SERIOUSLY misinformed here. Please check out:

Hoover’s Attack on Laissez-Faire

mises dot org/story/2902

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 14:45:36

oh yeah, the Mises Institute. I think I already know their take on it.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 16:14:55

Wow, so you know what someone with and understanding of the monetary system may write, good for you. Love to see people with an open mind.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 16:48:59

The Mises peeps will someday be proved right. All currencies collapse eventually.

But I’m still waiting to be shown why FDR’s policies didn’t cause a major crash until we gave them a good ‘free market’ tweeking, under the lead of the supply-side deregulators. Sure is quite a weird scenario, no? FDR’s policies worked quite well for 40-50 years, then we deregulate the financial system and we have a giant crash again. Just like we used to have regularly back in the free market, non-intervention days of yore. I think Occam would see a connection.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 17:15:48

No kidding alpha. People blaming FDR’s policies seem to conveniently forget the extreme, systemic deregulation of the entire FIRE sector over the last 20 years with the final capstone, er, headstone of the repeal of the Glass-Stegal Act.

Never forget that “free market” means free to $!@^ you up the a^^ market.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-16 17:23:04

eco,

You’re from Houston, right? Do you see Phil and Wendy in the society pages? Hear about them doing fundraising for charity or GOP?

Or are they hanging out in the south of France?

The last I remember of them was when Phil made his “mental recession” comment, crowing about how large US exports were - refering to innovative financial products.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:48:10

Love to see people with an open mind.

just like you wmbz?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 11:14:18

U.S. Michigan Sentiment Index Decreased to 69.4 (Update1)

Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) — Confidence among U.S. consumers fell more than forecast in October, a reminder that households remain nervous about the strength of the emerging economic recovery.

The Reuters/University of Michigan preliminary index of consumer sentiment decreased to 69.4 from 73.5 in September, which was the highest in more than a year. Measures of expectations for six months ahead and current conditions both fell. The index averaged 87.3 in 12 months leading to December 2007, when the recession began.

The highest unemployment rate in 26 years threatens to restrain consumer spending as the U.S. enters the Christmas- holiday shopping period. Minutes from last month’s Federal Reserve meeting show policy makers are still concerned that rising unemployment will curb consumer spending and lead to an anemic recovery.

“This is probably giving us a more accurate reading of what consumers are feeling,” said Nigel Gault, chief U.S. economist at IHS Global Insight in Lexington, Massachusetts, who had the lowest forecast in the Bloomberg News survey. “They’re very concerned about how long unemployment is going to stay high, and they’ve very concerned about their own personal finances.”

The index was forecast to dip to 73.3 this month, according to a Bloomberg survey of 64 economists. Estimates ranged from 70 to 77.1.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-16 17:18:35

But was it “unforeseen,” man?! Don’t toy with us like that! :lol:

Seriously… good find.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 11:26:44

WOO-HOO! 100 jobs, saved or created!

Feds say stimulus saved 100 Albany metro jobs
The Business Review (Albany)

Almost 100 jobs have been saved or created in New York’s Capital Region through companies that received stimulus contracts directly from the federal government.

The federal government released the jobs data on Oct. 15, the same day the state Department of Labor reported the Albany metro area had lost 10,500 private-sector jobs during the past 12 months.

The saved-jobs figure is the first time actual head counts, and not estimates, have been used to gauge the $787 billion stimulus’ response on the national economy.

In all, 30,383 jobs have been saved or created throughout the country so far. In New York, 656 jobs have been saved or created, involving 369 federal contracts that total $776.5 million.

Federal agencies are awarding $16 billion of stimulus contracts themselves. However, the overwhelming majority of stimulus contracts are being disbursed through the states, which have not yet reported jobs data.

Two-thirds of the saved or created jobs in the Capital Region to date are involved with remediating radioactive soil at the Knolls Atomic Power Laboratory in Niskayuna. Stimulus funding will also be used to speed up demolition of two contaminated buildings and six underground waste storage tanks.

Overall, the Obama administration has said the stimulus will save or create 3.5 million jobs throughout its lifespan, which ends in early 2011.

Comment by cobaltblue
2009-10-16 14:27:47

“Overall, the Obama administration has said the stimulus will save or create 3.5 million jobs throughout its lifespan, which ends in early 2011.”

Look for the word “Obamafail” to make its way into print at least 3.5 million times before early 2011.

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-16 14:57:37

hasn’t it been in print on this blog about 2.5 million times since January?

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 17:29:32

Barry, can’t help but fail, it’s in the cards, and that’s a good thing. He’ll be a master screw up, and we will have to pay. That will not stop his admin. however from going full tilt. As he stated to the whiners in New Orleans, ” I’m just getting started” his followers expect ‘free’ money will be their salvation. Ignorance is bliss they say, and many that are waiting for the great hand out will be sorely disappointed.

The ship of state has long been run by a ship of fools, and the current ass-wipes are no exception.

We out ran the world in innovation, in a few hundred years, and now we are running headlong into the wall.

Comment by DD
2009-10-16 17:50:20

can’t help but fail, it’s in the cards

along with your “open mind” and constant blathering on about
wanting him to fail.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-17 03:38:29

“constant blathering on about
wanting him to fail”.

Oh yea, that will cause his failure, I’m sure! By the way what is it you want him to succeed at?

 
 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-16 19:30:46

2,500,001 and counting.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 23:34:56

“As he stated to the whiners in New Orleans…”

Why did Megabank, Inc get showered with bailout money and zero-interest loans, while the Big Easy gets shown the empty hand? I think New Orleanites and everyone else in the country for that matter should qualify for loans directly from the Fed on the same terms as Megabank, Inc gets them. Otherwise, people will begin to suspect that the Fed offers special privileges to the industry it is charged with regulating, and that would be patently unjust.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 23:36:45

It’d be unrealistic to expect a successor to W to be as wildly successful as he was during his two terms, wouldn’t it?

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 12:04:04

Judge temporarily halts mandatory flu shots for health care workers
Oct 16, 2009

ALBANY, N.Y. — A judge has put a temporary stop to mandatory flu vaccinations for health care workers.

Dozens of health care workers have been protesting the requirement that forced certain workers to be vaccinated by November 30th or face possible disciplinary action, including termination.

The judge’s decision means the requirement will now be suspended pending a hearing later this month.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 12:19:55

“Astonishing” That Big Banks Are Taking Taxpayer Money, Writing the Rules, Warren Says.
Posted Oct 16, 2009

Elizabeth Warren may be the American consumer’s new best friend.

Warren, charged with overseeing the U.S. banking bailout (formally known as TARP), is pushing an agency that’s devoted to looking out for individual Americans.

The proposed Consumer Financial Protection Agency would set more transparent rules for financial institutions to ensure consumers get help in understanding terms of their loans and agreements. Banks, however, are opposing another regulator.

“The banks, big banks, always get what they want,” says Warren, in the third part of her sitdown interview with Aaron Task at The Economist’s Buttonwood gathering. “They have all the money, all the lobbyists. And boy is that’s true on this one. There’s just not a lobby on the other side.”

Featured in the new Michael Moore film, “Capitalism: A Love Story,” it has been an incredible ride for Warren, a Harvard University law professor, who was tapped in November of last year to keep track of the bank bailout money. While she has no judicial or legislative power as chair of the Congressional Oversight Panel, it hasn’t prevented Warren from talking tough. And banks including Goldman and JPMorgan are listening.

“This is a moment when all around the country people are saying we’ve had it about up to here with these large financial institutions that want to write the rule then take our money. I find it astonishing that they have the nerve to show up and say, ‘I’m a big financial institution. I took your money. And now I’m going to lobby against anything that might offer some protection to ordinary families in this marketplace,’ ” Warren says.

“This might be the time that the rules change,” she says. The proposal for the Consumer Financial Protection Agency heads to the House Financial Services Committee next week.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 23:30:54

“The banks, big banks, always get what they want,”

Is she playing for the same team as TTT and BB play?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 13:18:27

“The issuing power of money should be taken away from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs. The modern theory of the perpetuation of debt has drenched the earth with blood and crushed its inhabitants under burdens ever accumulating.”

~Thos. Jefferson

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 23:29:24

I think Snopes dot com shows that quote is a hoax, but please check for yourself if you don’t believe me…

Comment by wmbz
2009-10-17 05:01:51

Didn’t see it at snopes, Perhaps it’s there, but I could not find it. I lifted the paragraph from a book on Jefferson.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 13:22:25

Sweeping insider-trading case rocks Galleon
Founder Rajaratnam, 5 others arrested

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Galleon Group’s billionaire founder, Raj Rajaratnam, was charged Friday in a sweeping, $17 million insider-trading case, according to court documents filed in Manhattan by federal prosecutors and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Rajaratnam and five others allegedly involved in the scheme have been arrested.

Galleon it was “shocked” by the arrest but stressed that it continues to operate and is “highly liquid.”

“We had no knowledge of the investigation before it was made public and we intend to cooperate fully with the relevant authorities,” the hedge-fund firm added in a statement.

The other defendants are:

Rajiv Goel, an employee at Intel Corp.

Robert Moffat, a senior vice president at IBM Corp.

Anil Kumar, a director at the consulting firm McKinsey & Co.

Danielle Chiesi, portfolio manager at $1 billion hedge-fund firm New Castle Partners

“This is not a garden-variety insider trading case,” Preet Bharara, U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, said during a press conference, adding that it was the largest hedge-fund insider trading case ever charged.

All the defendants were “caught” using wiretaps, according to Bharara, “powerful investigative techniques that have worked so successfully against the mob and drug cartels”

Galleon is a leading technology-focused hedge-fund company that had more than $4 billion in assets under management earlier this year. Sri Lanka-born Rajaratnam founded the firm in 1997 and is a big philanthropist in the country, helping it recover from the tsunami that hit in late 2004.

These are not the first insider-trading allegations to hit the $1.4 trillion hedge-fund industry. Arthur Samberg’s Pequot Capital decided to shut down in May after the government reopened an investigation into alleged insider trading. See story on Pequot Capital shutting.

The Galleon charges may be another blow to the industry, less than a year after Bernard Madoff’s $50 billion Ponzi scheme and the global financial crisis triggered an unprecedented wave of investor redemptions.

Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 13:44:45

Insider trading is nothing new, it’s done day in day out, has been since the very beginning of stock trading, or trading for that matter. Once in a while the incredibly inept SEC will find a bone, or be offer one up. One should always remember the insiders run the show, and that is not going to change!

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-10-16 15:38:59

“…and that is not going to change!”

Mr. Bear, any comments about such prophecy? :-)

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 23:28:21

“All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 15:18:30

The last three lines say it all… Hopey, changey…

Viking lays off 30 more workers October 16, 2009

Viking Range Corp. has laid off 30 more employees as the maker of upscale kitchen appliances continues to feel the impact of the nationwide economic downturn.

“We’re just trying to hold on and keep going until hopefully things do improve,” said Bill Crump, Viking’s director of governmental affairs.

The layoffs, implemented Thursday, involved a mixture of salaried and hourly workers, Crump said. The job cuts were spread throughout the company’s four manufacturing facilities in Leflore County as well as its corporate offices in downtown Greenwood.

Since April 2008, Viking has shed 327 jobs, or about 23 percent of its total work force. It presently employs 1,090 workers, 910 in Leflore County.

Crump said the manufacturer has been hurt especially by the severe drop-off in new housing construction. Housing starts in August, the latest month reported, were down almost 30 percent from their 2008 pace. September figures are due to be released Tuesday.

The new housing segment has accounted for about 20 percent of Viking’s business.

“We are seeing some uptick in certain sections of the country, but it’s not enough yet to improve everything across the board,” said Crump. “Hopefully as the economy improves, news about the recession ends, credit loosens up some and the housing backlog gets bought, we’ll move into another construction cycle, and that will help our market.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 15:40:06

Tricked people into buying LD boats!

Funny… Having lived in Ft. Lauderdale, I can say without doubt, it doesn’t take much to convince a playa that he’s da man.

Pompano Beach marina files Chapter 11
October 16, 2009 bizjournals.

Pierre Gaudreau, a Pompano Beach marina owner who was arrested late last year on fraud charges, has filed a bankruptcy petition to put his marina company, the Hideaway Marina Limited Partnership, into Chapter 11.

The marina, at 599 S. Federal Highway, is still operating. The bankruptcy petition states the operation has been in the hands of a receiver since June. The company listed $11.5 million in assets and $6.9 million in liabilities.

Among claims listed are Fort Lauderdale-based Landmark Bank’s claim of $3 million on the property, which is valued at $6.5 million; a $1.6 million judgment to Tom Gonzales of Fort Lauderdale-based TG Inv. LLC; and $1.2 million in promissory notes owed to John and Sabrina Divine of Tennessee.

According to the marina’s website, Gaudreau was a former owner of the U.S. distributor for Sunseeker Yachts.

The Sun-Sentinel reported last year that authorities alleged Gaudreau tricked people trying to buy or sell pricey speedboats and refused to return large deposits on some transactions that fell through.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-16 16:06:10

ROTFLMAO!!! You go little Turbo Tax Timmy, your words carry great weight!

Geithner Says U.S. Must Instill Confidence in Fiscal Management

Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) — Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said the U.S. must reduce its record budget deficit as soon as the economy returns to a sustainable growth rate without relying on government assistance.

“Americans understand that we have to go back to living within our means as a country,” he said in an interview broadcast today on CNBC. “When we have an economy that’s growing again and we get unemployment down, we’re going to have to bring those deficits down.”

The U.S.’s 2009 budget gap widened to $1.42 trillion as the deepest recession since the 1930s crippled tax revenue and the administration increased spending to rescue the economy. The shortfall for the 12 months ended Sept. 30 was more than triple the $455 billion record set a year earlier, the Treasury Department said today in Washington.

Geithner cautioned that a lack of confidence that the U.S. will return to fiscal sustainability may lead to a weaker economic recovery, higher interest rates and constrained investment.

“That’s why deficits matter. That’s why deficits in the end can be very damaging to growth,” he said. “That’s why you cannot live with future deficits as large as ours are likely to be.”

The Treasury chief said he hasn’t decided yet whether to extend the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, adding that it’ll be important to businesses and the housing market that the government has the ability to “continue to put in place programs to help make sure they get credit.”

Asked whether tax cuts enacted during the Bush administration should be allowed to expire next year, he said, “it does not make sense to raise taxes in a recession” and that “getting growth on track led by the private sector is still our most important priority.”

Geithner also said he sees a “good case” for Congress to pass legislation extending unemployment benefits.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-10-16 20:45:02

“ROTFLMAO!!! You go little Turbo Tax Timmy, your words carry great weight!”

That’s funny coming from you… ;-) (Hwy wonders what wmbz see’s in others, that he does not see in himrself, …quite so much?)

Comment by DD
2009-10-16 22:04:06

Saw Elliot Spitzer this evening. Why do men do stupid things?
Instead he could be in a position to fix something.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 22:35:38

What position would that be? :wink:

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Comment by DD
2009-10-16 22:17:28

Alpha, I can’t find again where you posted ” do I have any links” or something to that effect.

starting around 3 minutes you will see the DOW YTD chart and the Dollar chart YTD.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/252488/thu-october-15-2009-jennifer-burns
But I dont’ have the link to the actual charts.

and for you ayn fanatics, you will appreciate the interview.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-16 22:18:54

Alpha the charts are
YTD DOW and YTD Dollar flipped upside down merged together.
Jon Stewart 10.15 show about 3 minutes in.

Posted the link but machine just et it all up!

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-16 22:39:26

Gotcha. Thanks. Here’s a better link to the charts I refered to earlier…kinda interesting but hard as hell to see.

http://www.globalfinance.net/2009/charts/oil-and-gold-chart-1900-2009/

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-16 23:26:19

Thanks for the clarification — I was worried my memory was slipping when I read the above post about gold versus housing prices supposedly displayed on Stewart’s show last night.

The upshot of the chart reflects something many of us have often pointed out on this blog: The dollar and the DJIA have recently moved in inversely correlated fashion, suggesting that both are responding to the same (exogenous) impulse.

 
 
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