October 26, 2009

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 02:47:42

U.S. Considers Reining In ‘Too Big to Fail’ Institutions

WASHINGTON — Congress and the Obama administration are about to take up one of the most fundamental issues stemming from the near collapse of the financial system last year — how to deal with institutions that are so big that the government has no choice but to rescue them when they get in trouble.

A senior administration official said on Sunday that after extensive consultations with Treasury Department officials, Representative Barney Frank, the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, would introduce legislation as early as this week. The measure would make it easier for the government to seize control of troubled financial institutions, throw out management, wipe out the shareholders and change the terms of existing loans held by the institution.

The official said the Treasury secretary, Timothy F. Geithner, was planning to endorse the changes in testimony before the House Financial Services Committee on Thursday.

The White House plan as outlined so far would already make it much more costly to be a large financial company whose failure would put the financial system and the economy at risk. It would force such institutions to hold more money in reserve and make it harder for them to borrow too heavily against their assets.

Setting up the equivalent of living wills for corporations, that plan would require that they come up with their own procedure to be disentangled in the event of a crisis, a plan that administration officials say ought to be made public in advance.

Comment by salinasron
2009-10-26 04:35:11

” and change the terms of existing loans held by the institution.”

Let’s redistribute that wealth. Free $500K homes for all making less than $50K. The government will make sure your taxes are low too. That should work well with the UN inspector checking out American housing for the poor.

Comment by polly
2009-10-26 06:47:35

Do you really not understand that the big banks do not retain ownership of the loans they originate? You can still find that business model at a small local bank (maybe) or at a credit union, but Citibank? Bank of America? Are you crazy?

As Ben has pointed out over and over, forcing private parties to change the terms of their agreements is very hard under US law. If the banks actually held the loans, this would mean something, but you can’t use a government take over of bank B to excuse changing the relationship between mortgage holder A (who happens to send his checks to Bank B) and bond owners F through Z who actually own A’s mortgage.

The reporter is a nitwit. There is no reason that we, here, have to follow suit.

My guess is this proposal is intended to work like the inverse of a golden parachute to the bank executives. This is what is going to happen if you screw up your bank - you loose all stock and options and you get fired and you lose the golden parachute and forfeit all your deferred cash compensation. And all your buddies a few levels down who aren’t important enough to get this treatment hate you because all the stock is made worthless and the bondholders get all the equity in your company.

Only works if the shareholders get a damn backbone or the administration retains the ability to approve or disapprove the packages, but I kind of like the general idea.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 07:21:37

Polly:

That’s why i think “bailing” out people’s credit cards and increasing their FICO score, is a far better use of money. It cuts the monthly bill to zip..gives them more for other things like a mortgage or rent..

Sure it’s unfair to those who are responsible…but when it comes down to “how much a month” its a lot fairer then cars for clunkers $8 K tax credits, not paying taxes on forgiven loan amounts. and of course zero interest on YOUR money.

Yes this would help me, since that is the only debt i have…but then you really only need 1-2 credit cards anyway……you choose which cards gets paid and cut up
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As Ben has pointed out over and over, forcing private parties to change the terms of their agreements is very hard under US law

Great idea polly This is what risk taking and capitalism should be about gigantic riches if you succeed and zero if you fail
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My guess is this proposal is intended to work like the inverse of a golden parachute to the bank executives.

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Comment by packman
2009-10-26 07:29:43

Do you really not understand that the big banks do not retain ownership of the loans they originate?

Not entirely true though. Though most of these loans are indeed sold via MBS - these often just end up being bought by other banks anyhow. The big banks are the main owners still of MBS, especially after the Glass-Steagal repeal, are they not? JPM/Chase comes to mind as a prime example.

Nevertheless you’re right that the fact that these loans are securitized and sold off is a big part of the problem. IMO the single best thing, by far, the government could do right now is to force the banks to hold a significant portion of the loans they originate. I’ve heard of pending legislation to this effect, though I’ll bet it ends up only being lip service, in large part because it conflicts with the government’s own FHA.

IMO government takeover and forced management change is not the answer. It’s too easy for management to jump from firm to firm - often getting bigger bonuses in their new firm. Jail would prevent that, but that never happens short of outright Madoff-style fraud (about 0.001% of the actual financial miscreance).

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Comment by polly
2009-10-26 09:21:12

What difference does that make? If it is bank B that is being reorganized, the fact that bank B is a 0.5% beneficiary of the trust that owns the mortgage of person A on behalf of all the bond holders doesn’t give the government the right to comepletely change the contractual relationship of A and the trust. What about the beneficiaries of the other 99.5%?

There is a reason that all this stuff has been set as voluntary programs with incentives to participate. Forcing the issue is hard. Really hard. It is why no one is ever going to give NYCdj his preferred solution of forgiving credit card debt outside a bankrupctcy proceeding either. Sorry, dj. Just don’t see it happening. The credit card debt is largely securitized and sold off too.

 
Comment by packman
2009-10-26 10:14:02

What difference does that make? If it is bank B that is being reorganized, the fact that bank B is a 0.5% beneficiary of the trust that owns the mortgage of person A on behalf of all the bond holders doesn’t give the government the right to comepletely change the contractual relationship of A and the trust. What about the beneficiaries of the other 99.5%?

The wording “and change the terms of existing loans held by the institution” to me though implies that they’re referring to loans that are wholly-owned by the institution, or perhaps mostly-owned, not ones where the institution only holds 0.5%. The updated terms would presumably take into account the percentage ownership of each institution - e.g. say if B holds 50% of a 200k loan, the principle may be reduced by say 25% (50k) - in this case the other lenders holding the 100k may still own 100k of the principle, and B may end up owning only $50k.

However if this is done the result will be counter-productive. The point of loan mods is to reduce defaults; the example I gave would do this, however it would do so at the greater expense of the failed institution, and thus defeat the purpose of attempting to make the institution healthy.

So in the end - I would assume that they’re talking about loans that are not securitized, and indeed held 100% by the institution (whether or not the institution originated the loan is irrelevant). I think the current loan mod program just applies to these, doesn’t it? Otherwise how are current loan mods worked out?

 
Comment by polly
2009-10-26 11:55:03

It just doesn’t work like that. Who takes a hit on the first losses is already defined by the legal documents. And the really huge “too big to fail” banks long ago gave up the business model of holding and servicing their own mortgages. The ones they hold that way are the ones they got stuck with that they thought were going to be sold, but the investment banks stopped being able to pre-sell the bonds so the morgages were never purchased. Tiny little chunk. Not enough to get upset about.

Like I said, the reporter is a nitwit. They still don’t seem to understand enough of this business to ask the right questions to get anything resembling an accurate report. Wait. Relax. See what is really going to happen.

There is more than enough to be upset about that has already happened to bother getting upset about stuff that is NOT going to happen, at least not with enough volume to care one way or the other.

 
 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2009-10-26 04:49:42

Why is there a necessity for new legislation? Just call them what they are: a vertical monopoly. Break them up to where they were before this mess started. I shouldn’t be able to get both an MBS and a checking account at the same bank, for example.

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-10-26 07:36:13

Oxide, I’m glad to see you advocate using existing antitrust laws rather than passing new regulations to deal with these problems. I will consider this progress. But actually, the antitrust laws themselves are unnecessary. Please remember that banks and other financial conglomerates are products of byzantine laws and regulatory structures created by, of course, the government. When this whole hare-brained scheme starts to go haywire, as it inevitably will, the best remedy is to sweep away the mess and start anew. Forget bankruptcy, forget antitrust lawsuits. Just revoke the corporate charters, as was done routinely in the past.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 05:05:39

“The measure would make it easier for the government to seize control of troubled financial institutions, throw out management, wipe out the shareholders and change the terms of existing loans held by the institution”.

This will work just great! Can’t wait to see the measure extended to include any and all businesses. Gubmint is far better suited to run your business,than you are. ‘They’ are well know for being very cost efficient and effective.

We need more rules and laws, they’re in short supply.

Comment by oxide
2009-10-26 05:27:06

Gubmint is far better suited to run your business, than you are.

I would almost welcome a tsunami of Lehmans, just to shut up all the arrogant execs who get on the TV and say “don’t tell me how to run my business.” All righty then, if you hate gov so much, then no help for you. And no gov-allowed Chapter 7 for you either. Go out of business, and pay your debts with your daughters.

The regulation is being put back to prevent the American people from being held hostage by such greedmongers.

Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 05:29:57

“The regulation is being put back to prevent the American people from being held hostage by such greedmongers”.

Really? Lets just see how well that works out.

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Comment by palmetto
2009-10-26 05:44:56

Probably not well, because the gov IS business, at this point. And doing some really bad stuff in the name of “protecting the sheeple”. The US will still be held hostage to greedmongers.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-10-26 05:52:54

Another thing to look at is “social engineering”. One of the tricks of so-called right-wing (think Karl Rove) propaganda is to get “the base” all riled up about issues like abortion, “death panels”, “Islamo-fascists”, the glories of “private enterprise”, “regulation”, etc. While people focus on social issues with great emotion and fervor, their pockets are being picked, jobs are offshored, outsourced, savings depleted, etc. The idea is to get the poor schmucks all disturbed about “values” while they’re being robbed blind. It works, too!

 
Comment by Skip
2009-10-26 07:21:20

Thats not what social engineering is. Social engineering would allowing only interest paid on a house mortgage to be tax deductible to encourage home ownership or increasing taxes on whiskey, but not beer.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-10-26 07:36:28

Social engineering is lots of things. It’s use of the tax codes to reward and penalize certain behaviors or activities, opening borders to force multi-culturalism, waging war to force “democracy” down the throats of people who don’t want it, manufacturing public opinion in the media, suppression or promotion of free speech, affirmative action, many things. Can be good or bad, depending upon your point of view.

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-26 08:41:23

It used to be the technique by which young computer geeks talked passwords out of telephone company employees, and other business folks.

Ah I remember those days…

13 year old friends had access to pull credit reports (just for giggles), etc.

 
Comment by polly
2009-10-26 12:01:08

Manufacturing public opinion by manipulating the media is propaganda, not social engineering. Social enginieering is using laws to encourage social structures that the government thinks are beneficial (either overall or for their reelection prospects) such as marriage, home ownership, large families, etc.

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2009-10-26 12:29:32

I agree with some of the posters above that using the media to stir up bogus issues with our impulsive public is taking on a form of social engineering. It’s gradual, but with the advent of the “reality” shows, soft news stories, and even soft porn, our sensibilities are so warped that it’s hard to know what is “real” anymore. I work with a lady who just hangs onto every move and supposed romance breathlessly reported about performers appearing on “Dancing With The Stars”. She states she doesn’t read anything, and went out and bought 3 new cars with her husband one Saturday this last spring, to help the economy. Seriously. Social engineering at its finest, I believe.

 
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2009-10-26 16:03:05

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 05:58:30

It sounds like they are creating an implicit threat for the Fed to take down any institution it doesn’t like (e.g. Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers) and to prop up the too-big-to-fail firms it does like as needed.

Comment by palmetto
2009-10-26 06:16:30

There’s something to be said for “too big to fail” or just plain “too big”. My “stuff” business was almost wiped out overnight by the erattic policies set by an internet company’s idiot CEO and upper management and currently, Google has been sticking it to small online merchants with their product search changes. You’ve got to be able to roll with the punches, but sometimes it really hurts. Like many, I became complacent and didn’t diversify enough and had to scramble.

I do not hold with people who say “that’s business”, or that public companies have a right to screw their customers because management is responsible to the shareholders. A company of any sort is only as good as it treats its customers. Shareholders are really only owners, so should also be concerned if the customers are being served.

Share price isn’t everything, especially these days when it’s just a manipulated quantity base on phony statistics and really doesn’t reflect the production of a company.

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Comment by ACH
2009-10-26 07:29:05

“It sounds like they are creating an implicit threat for the Fed to take down any institution it doesn’t like (e.g. Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers) and to prop up the too-big-to-fail firms it does like as needed.”

Hmm, that is likely to be the effect of this too-big-to-fail philosophy. I really don’t think it is intentional. We are talking about mammoth organizations which are not known for their collective smarts.

What is bothering me is that there is no obvious solution to this oligarchy that we have built. The TBTF insitutions - Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, GN, G-S, Merrill, USGVT, ect- will ultimately fail.

This is the nature of what we have built. We shouldn’t try to keep these going in the long run. We should look closely at a method by which they can fail without taking down everyone else.

Right now this is not possible. That is why they were saved. If they were allowed to fail, then we really would be in a “Mad Max” world.

My problem (and fear) is that we may get there before we know how to fail them correctly. Yikes!

Roidy

P.S. Got dog food anyone? Dinty Dog is my favorite.

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Comment by packman
2009-10-26 07:32:48

It sounds like they are creating an implicit threat for the Fed to take down any institution it doesn’t like (e.g. Bear Sterns, Lehman Brothers) and to prop up the too-big-to-fail firms it does like as needed.

Bingo.

I’m sure that the FFF (Favored Friends of the Fed) - JPM and GS come to mind - generally won’t be subject to such restrictions, or will somehow manage to skirt them, e.g. they way those two were able to circumvent the pay restrictions last week, despite their backdoor bailouts.

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Comment by measton
2009-10-26 08:42:40

Imagine Paulson and Bernanke coming into Bank of America with this power over Ken Lewis.

Time to break up too big to fail and restart Glass Steagle.

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Comment by DD
2009-10-26 12:02:17

Time to break up too big to fail and restart Glass Steagle.

Yes sir. Shooot Phil Gramm first, then restart Glass Steagle. NOW.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-10-27 04:04:50

“Yes sir. Shooot Phil Gramm first, then restart Glass Steagle. NOW.”

That’s my kind of social engineering!

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 13:34:17

Before you go blaming the government, try remember how many lobbyists there for each congressman.

Then remember what the job of those lobbyists is: to improve conditions for their business and create barriers for their competition… through the passage of laws, rules and regulations.

So who is it that REALLY thinks they know what is best for your business?

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-10-26 06:27:41

“The White House plan as outlined so far would already make it much more costly to be a large financial company whose failure would put the financial system and the economy… ”

What do you mean? The Federal Government will no longer reward bond and equity investors along with executives of TBTF companies? How is this fair? All I am seeing is merger-mania among already TBTF companies anyway. Of course every time a bank fails, the assets are getting ’sold’ to an existing TBTF bank thus making it even Too Bigger To Fail. The way I see it, Governmet ownership IS failure. Failure of capitalism and freedom and the Constitution of the USA.

 
Comment by waaahoo
2009-10-26 06:48:48

Useless laws weaken necessary laws. Montesquieu

 
Comment by Kim
2009-10-26 06:57:48

I wonder how this legislation would affect foreign banks, i.e. couldn’t megabanks just incorporate offshore? You know they’re going to find some loopholes and ways around the law’s requirements.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-10-26 09:42:10

Trillions of dollars in uncovered money lie in magic chips on the crap table and on the next bet.

Will you take another of my taxpayer IOU on the next roll of the dice American Casino?

If this mess wasn’t so damned sad, it would be funny.

What a joke !
:)

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-26 15:49:58

It sounds to me like the administration is, slowly but surely, doing exactly what many here have long been calling for. They are tightening the reins on the big firms, making it more and more difficult to *be* too big to fail. They are doing it slowly but surely, which is the best way to do such a thing. The very people who complain that the administration has been doing nothing, are now complaining that they are doing something. I guess there’s no pleasing some. They’ll always have a ‘talking point’.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 15:58:01

I no longer feel like the voice of one crying in the wilderness on this too-big-to-fail issue, the way I did when I first brought it up here a couple of years ago…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 17:10:48

Too-big-to-fail is unraveling much faster than I would have expected.

The Financial Times
ING to be broken up in wake of bail-out
By Michael Steen in Amsterdam

Published: October 26 2009 07:45 | Last updated: October 26 2009 21:11

ING, one of Europe’s biggest financial groups, unveiled a radical break-up forced on it by the European Commission that will have the financial services group sell off its insurance and investment management business.

The dismantling of ING is one of the toughest interventions yet by Europe’s competition authorities, which waved through state aid to financial groups during the crisis but made clear these would be subject to scrutiny if they later appeared too generous.

It is expected that the forced divestments will have repercussions for state-aided banks in Europe and the US as well as in the UK.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 18:40:43

The risk to US regulators if they don’t get as tough on 2B2F as the rest of the world: Investors may pass over US banks, if they perceive the risk of losing money during a financial meltdown does not offset the reward of outsized gains during boom times.

On the other hand, so long as the US taxpayer provides an implicit guarantee of the debt, perhaps there is no reason to worry. Unless, that is, the taxpayers are too underwater to help much, in which case the moral hazard for the Fed to try to print away the debt may become problematic for strong handed investors with international alternatives.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 18:44:40

2B2F is looking rather dead in the water. Megabank, Inc, we hardly knew ye.

FDIC’s Bair sees consensus on “too big to fail”
Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:39pm EDT

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Key officials and lawmakers are reaching a “growing consensus” on the need for a strong mechanism that would allow the government to dismantle troubled financial giants, the chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp said on Monday.

Sheila Bair said administration officials, top bank regulators and lawmakers all agree that so-called resolution authority needs to be a priority so financial firms do not take on excessive risk, thinking the government will save them.

“We need to end ‘too big to fail,’” Bair said in remarks to the American Bankers Association annual convention.

Comment by neuromance
2009-10-26 18:55:45

I like to follow the money, to understand people’s motivations in doing what they do. So then - what is the motivation for politicians in the US to reign in Megabank? Don’t they get a lot of money from Megabank? Is it the competing power structure that politicians don’t like?

Bottom line - how does the existence of 2B2F hurt politicians?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 19:36:23

If the perception spreads in the international banking sector that other countries are making their banks more competitive (read: safer investments) by reining in 2B2F, while the US is enabling business as usual, with the added risk that the taxpayer will seriously rebel if future bailouts are attempted, then deep pockets of investment capital with an international range of alternatives are likely to find their way into other nations’ banks which are viewed as safer investments. 2B2F won’t help US politicians much if it can no longer attract international capital flows.

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Comment by oxide
2009-10-27 04:48:52

Because bankers contribute $$, but Main Street contributes votes. When they were all busy ogling Sarah Palin’s legs, Main Street didn’t care. But oh, how they do now!

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Comment by DD
2009-10-27 09:40:54

Main Street … When they were all busy ogling SP’s legs, Main Street didn’t care. But oh, how they do now!

Nailed it.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 02:50:43

Return To What?

Peter Souleles
Sydney, Australia
Oct 26, 2009

“Sacred cows must be slaughtered, especially if they are too fat to walk on their own. Cash for clunkers, stimulus cheques, tax credits for home buyers, and rescue packages for auto manufacturers are nothing more than the equivalent of burning ones furniture to keep warm.”

Let me tell you up front and very clearly that the recession is not over until your wealth, income and purchasing power have ALL been restored (on a sustainable basis) to where they were before the Global Financial Crisis. Forget the other definitions. Until we return to that level of “affluence” there can be no end to the recession. The problem however is that yesterday’s level of affluence was largely a series of dovetailing mirages. Thus the mirages were not only transient but also undermined whatever strengths there were prior to that period of “hedonistic” unbridled capitalist aberrations.

So what were these dovetailing mirages? YES we can keep fighting wars forever, YES cheap interest can cure all economic ills, YES we can use our homes as ATMs, YES we can become rich by flipping condos, YES we can increase government expenditure and still reduce taxes, YES we can print money and still remain the reserve currency of the world, and finally, YES we can spend our way out of trouble. This would all sound insanely funny had the outcomes not been so devastatingly sad.

So the question is largely, “where do we return to?”

What is certain is that there will be no return to past glories. The USA is like an Olympic athlete who 60 years after his victory (WWII) has been found guilty of having taken metabolic steroids and is stripped of his medals. The athlete realises the error of his ways and vows a comeback. The problem is the body of the athlete is no longer what it was as the ravages of time and loose living have turned muscle into fat and sinews into cellulite. The USA today is faced with an unpayable and one day unserviceable government and private debt, a disembowelled manufacturing sector, a less than prime demographic trajectory and above all government structures that place power and vested interests above people and democracy. If the balance sheet of the USA is the US dollar then it too is clearly sub-prime.

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-10-26 06:32:53

C’mon, Pete-
Tell us what you really mean.

Comment by oxide
2009-10-26 07:59:57

When this sort of stuff shows up on a website titled “321gold,” it’s not hard to figure out what he means.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-10-26 09:45:25

Gold is a pump and dump bubble.

We invest in Coffee !

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-10-26 06:50:06

“…So the question is largely, “where do we return to?”

Lets see, I need to increase the personal wealth of 100 of millions of people all around the globe…in bundles of say $100,000/$200,000/$300,000+…I need to do this rather quickly, say within 1-3 years…what financial mechanism can I innovate to distribute such sums and accumulate fees $$$$$$ in process…hmmm

1. Family savings accounts
2. Whole life insurance policies
3. High salary jobs with little skill
4. Rapid price increases of houses with easy “equity” extraction

Decisions, decisions… ;-)

 
Comment by packman
2009-10-26 07:17:34

Let me tell you up front and very clearly that the recession is not over until your wealth, income and purchasing power have ALL been restored (on a sustainable basis) to where they were before the Global Financial Crisis.

So - “wealth” includes debt - right? That being the case - we’ve got a looooonng way to go.

Debt as a percentage of GDP:

1997: 235%
2009 Q1: 358% (peak?)
2009 Q2: 357.6%

 
Comment by scdave
2009-10-26 07:27:11

Wow…Not a good way to start my Monday morning..

 
Comment by James
2009-10-26 07:57:17

You know, I disagree with a lot of the statements in these missives. There are complaints and commentary about what level of prosperity we are able to achieve. Even if we shift a lot of production from foreign to domestic and export a lot, we can still have similar levels of prosperity.

The long term unsustainable things are the bad wealth distribution and oil. Of course with hundreds of years of CNG out there along with some movement away from excess consumption (SUVs). It could be a long long time before that becomes an issue again.

I guess the shift from foreign suppliers would cause some shocks too.

Anyhow, technology still seems to be creeping along well.

 
Comment by Dale
2009-10-26 08:39:43

“YES we can keep fighting wars forever, YES cheap interest can cure all economic ills, YES we can use our homes as ATMs, YES we can become rich by flipping condos, YES we can increase government expenditure and still reduce taxes, YES we can print money and still remain the reserve currency of the world, and finally, YES we can spend our way out of trouble.”

……so this is what Obama meant by “Yes we can.”

Comment by james
2009-10-26 11:30:35

Uhm. I just don’t want to mix terms here. Some people are mixing monetary phenomena and pricing phenomena with capacity limitations.

I mean seriously vould put a lot of people to “work” chasing down the taliban and ramp up weapons production possibly two fold with out creating much of a dent in unemployment.

Comment by Nudge
2009-10-26 16:14:05

Err, two things:

- the US spends more on its military than the whole rest of the world combined;

- the fact that the Army will take almost anyone now hasn’t put a dent in the unemployment rate;


“chasing down the taliban and ramp up weapons production possibly two fold”

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Comment by DD
2009-10-26 12:13:45

until your wealth, income and purchasing power have ALL been restored (on a sustainable basis) to where they were before the Global Financial Crisis.

And where is that? It seems that our purchasing power etc has been all smoke and mirrors/lots of inflation and general mayhem for over 30 yrs. So what is our income worth, really? For 8 yrs prior to this crisis, at least, whose wealth are “we” talking about here,’ yours the elite, or ours the middle class’?

 
Comment by neuromance
2009-10-26 18:58:58

The USA today is faced with an unpayable and one day unserviceable government and private debt,

It never needs to be payable, it can exist in perpetuity as long as we can pay the monthly payment. And as long as bond holders think we can pay the monthly payment

Right now, the government is exploring the maximum debt load it can carry, and while the system is creaking a bit as the debt gets piled on, I don’t see a lot of blowback at this point. Back in June, the bond vigilantes started getting antsy, and interest rates started rising quickly, but the Fed quickly brought the rates back down.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 02:58:51

S&P 500 Overvalued by 40%, Set to Fall, Smithers Says.

Oct. 26 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Standard & Poor’s 500 Index is about 40 percent overvalued and headed for a drop as central banks pull back on securities purchases that pushed up asset prices, according to economist Andrew Smithers.

Declines are also likely because banks will need to sell more shares to raise capital and restore their financial health, the economist and president of research firm Smithers & Co. said in an Oct. 23 interview at Bloomberg’s Tokyo office. A 40 percent tumble from the S&P 500’s price at the end of last week of 1,079.60 would take the gauge to 647.76, below its March low.

“Markets are very vulnerable to an end of quantitative easing,” said Smithers, 72, who recommended avoiding stocks in 2000 just as the U.S. benchmark entered a two-year bear market. “Central banks, they’ve got to stop some time and if that happens everything will come down.”

Central banks from the Federal Reserve to the Bank of England last year embarked on unprecedented measures to flood credit markets with cash in order to rescue the global financial system from the worst crisis since the Great Depression.

Those purchases may be nearing an end. The Fed’s emergency liquidity programs including the Term Auction Facility and commercial paper purchases have shrunk as the central bank completes the scheduled purchases of housing debt and Treasuries. Bank of England policy makers voted unanimously at their latest meeting to leave the asset purchase program unchanged, rather than move to increase it, minutes showed.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 05:55:46

Why would the central banks pull back on securities purchases that pushed up asset prices, if it were common knowledge that a stock market crash would ensue?

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-10-26 09:45:16

Good question.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 12:43:48

A stock market crash is one way for the Fed to bring down interest rates without having to directly employ monetary policy, through the resulting flight to quality into the dollar and T-bonds.

Another way is to keep a lid on interest rates is to keep the loan flow to businesses (aka employers) tight, resulting in high unemployment, slack consumption and durable goods demand, and weak demand for loanable funds (lower demand results in a lower price, which in the case of loanable funds is the interest rate).

A stock market crash route charges Wall Street investors for keeping the lid on interest rates, while the tight money route charges Main Street workers. Who should pay to keep interest rates low?

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Comment by Jim A.
2009-10-26 07:24:11

Surely, I’m not the only person thinking “Smithers, Release the hounds.”

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 13:40:11

“Excellent”

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 03:34:52

Back-Door Taxes Hit Americans With Public Financing in the Dark.

Oct. 26 (Bloomberg) — Salvatore Calvanese, the treasurer of Springfield, Massachusetts, for four years, had a ready defense for why he risked $14 million of taxpayer money on collateralized-debt obligations laden with subprime mortgages in 2007.

He didn’t know what he was buying, he says, and trusted the financial professionals who sold them and told him they were safe.

“I thought they were money markets that were just paying more,” Calvanese said in an interview. “Nobody ever used the term ‘CDO,’ and I am not sure I would have known what that was anyway.”

Such financial mistakes, often enabled by public officials’ lack of disclosure and accountability for almost 90 percent of government financings in the $2.8 trillion municipal bond market, are costing U.S. taxpayers as much as $6 billion a year, according to data compiled by Bloomberg in more than a dozen states.

The money lost to taxpayers — when the worst recession since the Great Depression is forcing local governments to cut university funding, delay paying bills and raise taxes — is enough to buy health care for everybody in Minneapolis; Orlando, Florida; and Grand Rapids, Michigan, according to figures from the U.S. Census Bureau and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.

Florida county commissioners approved no-bid deals with their favorite banks in an arrangement that led to criminal convictions. Pennsylvania school board members lost $4 million on an interest-rate swap agreement they didn’t understand in the unregulated $300 billion market for municipal derivatives.

Trouble With Swaps

Local agencies in Indianapolis, Philadelphia, Miami and Oakland, California, spent $331 million to end interest-rate swaps with banks including JPMorgan Chase & Co. of New York and Charlotte, North Carolina-based Bank of America Corp. during the past 18 months. The swaps, agreements to exchange periodic interest payments with banks or insurers, were intended to save borrowing costs. Payments increased instead.

New Jersey taxpayers are sending almost $1 million a month to a partnership run by Goldman Sachs Group Inc. for protection against rising interest costs on bonds the state redeemed more than a year ago, Bloomberg News reported Friday.

Comment by realestateskeptic
2009-10-26 06:53:29

Worst part is that Springfield, MA had already been taken over (an advisory/oversight board) by the State because it was essentially bankrupt. Given this story, its not hard to see why.Duh….

 
Comment by Lip
2009-10-26 14:47:55

Lets put these jokers in charge of our healthcare. That will fix everything!

Hey folks.

Lip

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 04:38:09

Detroit house auction flops for urban wasteland

DETROIT (Reuters) – In a crowded ballroom next to a bankrupt casino, what remains of the Detroit property market was being picked over by speculators and mostly discarded.

After five hours of calling out a drumbeat of “no bid” for properties listed in an auction book as thick as a city phone directory, the energy of the county auctioneer began to flag.

“OK,” he said. “We only have 300 more pages to go.”

There was tired laughter from investors ready to roll the dice on a city that has become a symbol of the collapse of the U.S. auto industry, pressures on the industrial middle-class and intractable problems for the urban poor.

On the auction block in Detroit: almost 9,000 homes and lots in various states of abandonment and decay from the tidy owner-occupied to the burned-out shell claimed by squatters.

Taken together, the properties seized by tax collectors for arrears and put up for sale last week represented an area the size of New York’s Central Park. Total vacant land in Detroit now occupies an area almost the size of Boston, according to a Detroit Free Press estimate.

The tax foreclosure auction by Wayne County authorities also stood as one of the most ambitious one-stop attempts to sell off urban property since the real-estate market collapse.

Despite a minimum bid of $500, less than a fifth of the Detroit land was sold after four days.

The county had no estimate of how much was raised by the auction, a second attempt to sell property that had failed to find buyers for the full amount of back taxes in September.

The unsold parcels add to an expanding ghost town within the once-vibrant town known worldwide as the Motor City.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-10-26 07:16:23

I wonder what happened to that kid from Seattle who was scooping up all those “diamonds” in Detroit? He said Detroit was the next boomtown and the money was for the taking.

And didn’t the REIC try to say the Chinese were interested in Motown too?

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 07:31:59

at $500 it will cost a lot more to bulldoze the properties.

Hey maybe a free craigslist add take everything you can get your hands on…… but then the houses has probably been stripped already.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-10-26 10:09:20

Are you thinking of SeattleEric? His blog went dark around the time it was becoming clear that his flips had flopped (spring of ‘07, IIRC).

I tried to email him for an update, and he did reply, but was not very willing to discuss his situation. Too bad… It’s always nice to see the dose of reality arrive, and one previously in denial turn the corner.

 
 
Comment by James
2009-10-26 08:08:40

I have this theory. Basically what happens with business in the United States is, they go with the cheapest option. With automotive, they build these massive plants that are near a mile long. Multiple buildings like that.

However, the building, the concrete and the shed aren’t worth that much. So, after a major production run winds down it’s easier and cheaper to build one of those sheds in a new spot. Perhaps in some place that doesn’t have closed shops and crushing taxes along with independent environmental regulators.

They move on to other locations.

So, I think this means Detroit is a dead city. Like Camden, NJ but on a larger scale and with stupider legislation.

Comment by Skip
2009-10-26 08:45:42

Those massive plants are also surrounded by thousands of “just in time” suppliers.

To paraphrase, “no factory is an island”.

The auto industry and the city of Detroit had 50 years of success and never bothered to invest any of that success for the future.

Comment by james
2009-10-26 09:14:26

I disagree. First the assemblers have had to deal with shipping stuff from all around since the 70’s. Those shops are also just shells as well. Most of the business owners will just pack up and move.

Detroit invested a good bit. Then the populace burned it down and the model the city was based on broken forever.

The post riot governments coasted on that success and full of hubris believed they could ride on everyone’s back. Worked for near a lifetime, running off the hard of others.

There probably is some lesson in here but we are too scared to see it.

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Comment by Skip
2009-10-26 12:12:48

But they never invested for the future.

From 1920 to 1970 how many colleges and universities were created? I can’t think of any in the city.

What did Detroit/Auto Industry spend the money on?

 
Comment by james
2009-10-26 12:35:57

Skip, there is GMI (Kettering) in Michigan. The Uof M was around and has plenty of investment in that beautiful campus and lab facilities. Around for a long time.

I think there are probably near 100 colleges in Detroit area.

You are confusing auto industry and government of the city of Detroit. City government of Detroit stopped investing a long long time ago. Perhaps with Coleman Young, who was the first AA to get in the office. Two decades of corruption and mess put them pretty far into the hole. Dennis Archer was making some headway and potential progress but got pushed out of town. Not enough freebies. Then they elected Kwame Kilpatrick. He was possibly involved in murder in his time, among other things. Many famous little moves. They got federal funding to tear down houses. Spent something like 250K per house torn down. Used some friends as contractors.

Also have to understand the cities insistence on using minority owned contractors. So, if you are the wrong pigment you get forced out.

These things… all together have ground them down.

Have to note hear. My memory on Archer is fuzzy. Kilpatrick was a big darn mess.

 
 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-10-26 09:24:30

Yep, and Detroit is America’s future, IMHO.

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-10-26 09:38:49

Most of the abandoned buildings in Detroit should be torn down, and turned into parks, or at least planted with trees. If I were a wealthy guy (fun to dream), given the insanely cheap cost of land and buildings there, I might be willing to put up a few hundred thousand to buy a huge swath of land and buildings. I’m not exactly sure what it might be, but I think there is opportunity there. Opportunity starts with low overhead. The last place I’d want to spend my money would be on insanely overpriced commercial or industrial real estate out west or on the eastern seaboard. Detroit needs some fresh, new ideas. It seems the locals have stagnated.

Comment by james
2009-10-26 11:54:36

The locals might eat you there.

Seriously. I’ve spent a lot of time in Detroit and all that I hear is the taxes and red tape make it a bad business enviroment

I don’t know if that is true or not. It may not be.

My thought is that business just disgarded it. Just like Buffalo and other places. I think that LA, SF and NYC are really good port cities that have some advantages and will stay viable. Maybe. LA, good weather, ports, beaches. SF good port, senic beauty. NYC good port, diversified, history exc… Now Detroit is mired with heavy industy that is a major bear to remove, to build new plants. Toxic waste and other messes abound. On a plus note, plenty of the H20… so it would make a good farming area and if you’ve been around Wayne County there is plenty of that.

Detroit is just crashing down down down… till the liberals all leave when there aren’t anymore handouts. Then it will be the self reliant till the land heals and the area becomes attractive again.

Not to totally suck here. Often that is how I sum up the progressive-liberal philosophy on life. Ask for a handout guys in lock step with the “do-gooder” types.

Probably sums up the P/L viewpoint of the conservatives, aka die fast or let em starve. Eh Sloth?

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-10-26 16:30:17

San Francisco port is strictly for tourists and cruise ships. The container ships go to Oakland/Alameda ports.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-26 17:16:36

Qui moi? Honestly, James, I find your post inscrutable. I’m not even sure what P/L means. Profit/Loss? What would conservatives have done differently that would have saved Detroit?

How about this (not sure if it relates): Think about Europe. There are ruins everywhere. Dead ancient cities. That no one saw fit to fix up and live in. Wasn’t worth it- no reason to. I think America is witnessing the creation of such ‘ruins’, in places like Detroit, for the first time. It’s unsettling to witness for the first time, but it’s happened everywhere else in the world. Why not here?

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Comment by goirishgohoosiers
2009-10-26 13:50:10

What you propose is already starting to happen. Several abandoned neighborhoods are reverting to forest. I haven’t checked in a while, but someone there runs a site called detroitblog, and in the past he has posted pictures of streets that have trees growing up through the pavement and the like.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2009-10-26 15:36:25

http://www.100abandonedhouses.com/

Here’s another web site showing how urban blight has devasted formerly grand neighhborhoods and homes.

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Comment by socaljettech
2009-10-26 18:05:28

Such a waste of what were once beautiful houses- sad to think of the neighborhoods that once were, the stories those old places could tell :( And out here in Cali we are stuck with ugly stucco houses with absolutely no character, while places like those rot away.

 
 
 
Comment by Watching the Carnage
2009-10-26 18:29:39

GrizzlyBear,

I’m with you on the Detroit thing. I’m sickened to see some great, well-built housing crumbling to ruins. These homes have great bones, architectural detail and if properly maintained will outlast the crapshacks built in the last couple of decades.

I’ve seen beautiful homes for 10K that would sell for 750K here in the DC Metro area.

I have not been able to convince my wife to travel and take a look at some of these homes - which is probably good because she is usually right.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 13:48:54

The Wikipedia entry for Detroit pretty much explains it all.

Detroit became demographically and racially polarized and the auto industry never really reinvested in the city.

The other major factor was a man named William Edwards Deming.

Until Detroit radically changes it politics, it is dead. This is the same thing that happened to New Orleans.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 14:07:32

Eco:

a more radical idea is for the Jeeses and sharptons and the naacp to finally admit speaking ghetto is at the root cause of the breakdowns, and speaking English is the best way out.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-26 17:26:45

Isn’t zydeco kind of….mush-mouf country ghetto?
(Not that there’s anything wrong with that! Quite the contrary.)

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Comment by james
2009-10-26 14:23:57

You can’t really expect much from industry in terms of investment. You also have to be careful from a competativeness standpoint on where you put your money.

They like stuff like road and power grid improvements. Also you need to form long term commitments that you stick with, like tax rates. They also tend to be pretty decent on education as long as you don’t go too nuts. A lot of times you are better off taxing the workers than adding a layer of business taxes as well. Reason being the taxes on the workers are for their own community while the business, as much as it might seem a phantom entitiy, will only act in its best interest and get up and move. Workers might care about their community. Also a simpler code is better.

A lot of business owner buddies have talked about this. For a simpler tax code, business should be taxed on profits handed out to owners (stock holders, bond holders, exc) and not taxed first as a business and then again when handed out to owners. Seemingly an uneeded extra layer of taxation that causes a lot of the “headquarters in the Bahama’s” stuff.

Above isn’t a rant about taxation. It is a comment on tax structure. So, you need to be careful on tax structure or else you generate more problems than you solve. You want neutrality on the revenues then rates would be increased.

Detroit, the city, was particularly not careful with policy.

Also have to say that Deming got attacked by labor. They really fought and fought for those micro-level job descriptions that hurt the big three. Clearly the contracts are too complicated and overly oppresive messes.

So, if you are Michigan and you pass a myriad of pro union and business tax laws, expect the business to leave and make the 20 minute drive to Toledo. Have to imagine that if you make a law that says you can be liable for some past companies enviromental cleanup if you mistakenly take over a rehab, well, that is going to give you a lot of pause. Particularly if the laws allow them to go after your personnel assets. I believe Migh had that on the books not to long ago.

Like I’ve said. Bad structure.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 15:00:51

Yep, there is plenty of blame to go around. Detroit was a complete FUBAR party and everyone was invited.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 04:41:10

“It is safe to assume that no one working at the Federal Reserve or at the White House has a picture of Warren Gamaliel Harding over his desk. Yet, if American presidents were ranked on the basis of how well they faced up to financial disaster, Warren G. Harding might be somebody. His handsome face would be carved on Rushmore. His likeness would grace the $100 bill. Harding was the last American president to deal honestly with a major financial crisis. Every president since has tried to scam his way out of it.”

~ B.Bonner

Comment by rms
2009-10-26 07:17:56

In Harding’s time people were self reliant, but now we have division of labor, and we live with its consequences. As specialized individuals we know more and more about less and less.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-10-26 07:46:27

Harding did nothing. Perhaps that is the key. But then again, he never ran for re-election.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 13:54:57

“Upon winning the election, Harding appointed many of his old allies to prominent political positions. Known as the “Ohio Gang” (a term used by Charles Mee, Jr., in his book of the same name), some of the appointees used their new powers to rob the government. It is unclear how much, if anything, Harding himself knew about his friends’ illicit activities.

The most infamous scandal of the time was the Teapot Dome affair, which shook the nation for years after Harding’s death. The scandal involved Secretary of the Interior Albert B. Fall, who was convicted of accepting bribes and illegal no-interest personal loans in exchange for the leasing of public oil fields to business associates. (Absent the bribes and personal loans, the leases themselves were quite legal.) In 1931, Fall became the first member of a Presidential Cabinet to be sent to prison.[14]

Thomas W. Miller, head of the Office of Alien Property, was convicted of accepting bribes. Jess Smith, personal aide to the Attorney General, destroyed papers and then committed suicide. Charles R. Forbes, Director of the Veterans Bureau, skimmed profits, earned large amounts of kickbacks, and directed underground alcohol and drug distribution. He was convicted of fraud and bribery and drew a two-year sentence. Charles Cramer, an aide to Charles Forbes, committed suicide.”

- Wikipedia

Honesty? :lol:

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-26 17:35:39

LOL- I guess the Mises Institute didn’t include that part of his bio. Funny how often so-called ‘free-market’ politics goes hand-in-hand with corruption.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 18:10:11

Never forget that “free market ” is code for free to @#$! you up the poop shute.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 14:26:28

Upon winning the election, Harding appointed many of his old allies to prominent political positions. Known as the “Ohio Gang” (a term used by Charles Mee, Jr., in his book of the same name), some of the appointees used their new powers to rob the government. It is unclear how much, if anything, Harding himself knew about his friends’ illicit activities.

The most infamous scandal of the time was the Teapot Dome affair, which shook the nation for years after Harding’s death. The scandal involved Secretary of the Interior Albert B. Fall, who was convicted of accepting bribes and illegal no-interest personal loans in exchange for the leasing of public oil fields to business associates. (Absent the bribes and personal loans, the leases themselves were quite legal.) In 1931, Fall became the first member of a Presidential Cabinet to be sent to prison.[14]

Thomas W. Miller, head of the Office of Alien Property, was convicted of accepting bribes. Jess Smith, personal aide to the Attorney General, destroyed papers and then committed suicide. Charles R. Forbes, Director of the Veterans Bureau, skimmed profits, earned large amounts of kickbacks, and directed underground alcohol and drug distribution. He was convicted of fraud and bribery and drew a two-year sentence. Charles Cramer, an aide to Charles Forbes, committed suicide.

- Wikipedia

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 04:46:52

Recession claims two area scrap booking stores.
Indiana

For years scrapbookers bought and bought and bought, building enormous stashes of paper, stickers, diecuts and embellishments. So when budgets began contracting, hobbyists realized they did not have to visit their favorite scrapbook store.

Not as often, that is.

Unless they run out of adhesive, need a certain item, or want to see the latest products, the recession has prompted many scrapbookers to ride out the recession by using what they have.

Creators of photo pages and memory albums, in essence, have become more creative in the way they spend their dollars while money is tight.

This has affected the bottom line for stores like Memory Zone in Plymouth and Pages In Time in Mishawaka — independent retailers that have decided to liquidate and call it quits.

“Customers have been looking at what they have in their scrapbook room and realizing they don’t need any more,” said Rhonda Hurford, owner of Memory Zone in Plymouth. “People have stopped coming in as often, and when they do, they don’t spend as much.”

Comment by In Montana
2009-10-26 06:31:59

scrapbooking…wtf.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-26 06:54:39

LOL.

Only mothers and grandmothers seem to be interested in them. I guess they are interesting for kids when they are kids. My mother had a scrapbook for each of us kids.

But scrapbook stores? Even dog grooming stores are more believable.

Comment by packman
2009-10-26 07:37:30

But scrapbook stores? Even dog grooming stores are more believable.

I’ll bet everyone would be shocked to see the number of fingernail-painting stores in the U.S.

Every…single… shopping center around me has one. Without fail when a new shopping center opens up - the very first store to go in is a nail salon. I know of two new shopping centers where they are the only store there.

I honestly can’t understand this phenomenon.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 08:01:39

Commission only “employees”

Lots of strippers, and hood mamas wanna look good for their baby daddies….

Bernie Madoff’s wife went weekly …well no more

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-10-26 08:04:47

These places are all over Manhattan. I hate it. It seems they are all next to my favorite bars and restaurants. There is nothing worse than filling up on chicken wings and beer and then walking by some storefront where some overgrown heifer has her hooves out and is getting the nails painted a gawdy flaming red. I try to avert my eyes as quickly as possible but usually to no avail. The image is burned into my mind. Aaarrrrgggghhhh. The next thing you know I’m curled up in a ball at home, shivering. The only thing worse than real estate agents is feet. I guess even worse would be the feet of real estate agents. I thinking I’m having an out of body experience just pondering that atrocity.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 08:06:20

This should have gone under the nail salon thread

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-10-26 08:19:03

I guess even worse would be the feet of real estate agents.

They’re more likely to be hooves, I should think.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-26 09:13:17

cloven?

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-10-26 09:43:17

Someone, I think on this blog, mentioned that the nail salons are usually right next door to an Asian restaurant or take out type place. The families own both businesses. I’ve never been able to verify this.

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-10-26 10:08:07

Of course.

 
Comment by mikey
2009-10-26 10:12:09

I munching on lunch and there goes Olygal talking about real estate agents feet.

Talk about the HBB’s incorrigible child.

;)

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-10-26 10:22:20

Hey, NYCityboy started it!

*flounces away in a pouty snit *

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-10-26 10:45:29

A coworker once remarked that she needed to “invest in her nails.” It was all I could do to keep from going into rant-mode.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-10-26 11:23:00

I think short fingernails are cute on a gal, daggers not so much…

 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-10-26 11:27:32

It was all I could do to keep from going into rant-mode.

What would you have said?
The women I know who get they nails did (heehee, hi, muggy,) seem to enjoy the social aspect of it, you know—like baboons sit and groom each other—gossiping and so on.
I dunno. To me getting a manicure seems entirely stupid, but then I have my hands in mud a lot. A nice manicure would last exactly 5 minutes, if that.
Even if I didn’t, I still wouldn’t waste any money on manicures. Fake nails and stuff are like voluntarily handicapping yourself. Watch someone try to tie a bow around a little present when they have long fake nails—it’s funny.
Actually, it starts out funny, but I soon lose my temper and leap up with a roar and snatch the present away and then tie the dam*n bow with my own little stubby-nailed hands. Jeeze! Annoying.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-10-26 11:36:38

Hey, If you’ve got money, it is NOT my place to tell you how to spend it. My choice of hobbies is just as stupid as many. But characterizing a trip to the nail salon as an “investment,” that’s across some sort of line. Where are the dividends? What’s the ROI?

 
Comment by packman
2009-10-26 12:22:47

Where are the dividends? What’s the ROI?

Attraction of a sugar daddy is all I can think of.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-26 12:33:06

Attraction of a sugar daddy

So nails are an investment in the quest. I would think you’d get a better ROI on a push-up bra.

 
Comment by packman
2009-10-26 12:35:51

I would think you’d get a better ROI on a push-up bra.

Most definitely. But as we see - there is a large segment of the population that just isn’t good at investing.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-26 12:36:41

gawdy flaming red. I try to avert my eyes as quickly as possible but usually to no avail. The image is burned into my mind. Aaarrrrgggghhhh. The next thing you know I’m curled up in a ball at home, shivering.

Speaking of nails, one day I saw a women with nails that were 20″ long and all painted.They were curlicued around and around and around.

I just didn’t get it.
She said her job entailed typing. With pads of her fingers.

Try that for a minute without curving your fingers..truly odd feelingg- see youcan misspell too.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-26 12:43:14

Attraction of a sugar daddy is all I can think of.

Boobjob, lipo, a short tight black dress, lots of mascara and red lipstick. That is ROI.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-10-26 17:05:58

For the most part, guys don’t notice nails. Like $500 handbags, as a message, they’re targeted at those without a Y chromosome.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-10-26 17:41:01

I don’t want someone trimming my toenails with a community clipper, but I’m kind of into that thing where the fish nibble off dead skin etc from your feet. Seems like it would be an interesting experience.

 
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2009-10-26 17:50:01
 
 
Comment by Skip
2009-10-26 07:51:21

I know several people that scrap. They even go to scrapping conventions. They spend a lot of money on that stuff and they don’t take their dogs to be groomed.

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Comment by Al
2009-10-26 07:00:20

“Customers have been looking at what they have in their scrapbook room…”

Funny, I was looking at what I had in my scrapbook room just the other day. I don’t go in there very often, spending most of my time in either the stamp collection room or the reading room. Just funny how you do something, then a news story comes along.

Comment by Jim A.
2009-10-26 07:27:33

One house that we had growing up had a TV room, because you really don’t want a TV to be the centerpice of your livingroom.

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Comment by CentralCoastDude
2009-10-26 10:20:57

That’s why I do not own a living room. I only have a theater, with couches, a fireplace and a 50″ plasma “monitor” and sweet THX. Sounds much better than the local theater!! Almost as good as my super lifted 4×4 for my ego.

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-26 11:12:32

Awww yea. I picked my apartment because it would accommodate the 120″ screen. Noise isolation is pretty good.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-26 11:19:16

VaBeyatch rules!

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-10-26 16:37:22

CentralCoastDude,

I’m so jealous of your media room. Do you have any movie posters hanging up in your living room, a popcorn machine, ;)

 
 
Comment by Olympiagal
2009-10-26 10:14:53

Last Christmas I ended up at the house of one of my mom’s friends, a Relief Society president (that’s Mormon church stuff) and from boredom as I waited I leafed through one of the numerous scrap-books lying around.
It was amazing the loving effort and detail and little fiddley crafty stuff that had gone into festooning and adorning and doo-dadding the photos and mementos of what certainly appeared to be lives of extraordinary and unremitting banality.
It was as if she thought, ‘Hey, I know! I’ll just dump little plastic bunnies and stickers and buttons and crap ALLLLL OVERRRRR and then it will make our lives seem interesting!’
Didn’t work.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 07:59:04

WHO was the biggest well know scrapbooker ???????

come on he wrote about it

and the other people had no clue

one of the biggest bands in the world??????

Charlie Watts

he kept every piece of Rolling Stones materials he could find
He even drew layouts of every hotel room they slept in..

Comment by DD
2009-10-26 12:39:40

Charlie Watts

he kept every piece of Rolling Stones materials he could find

Wow, that is some interesting bit of trivia.. Lets play trivia l pursuit!

He even drew layouts of every hotel room they slept in..

I wonderrrrrrrrrrr what else???????

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-26 18:43:58

Wow! I wouldn’t have imagined. I always thought Charlie Watts is cool. I take back my snickering about scrapbookers.

 
 
Comment by In Montana
2009-10-26 13:21:16

Louis Armstrong did collages on reel-to-reel tape boxes, incorporating all sorts of mementos. It was pretty creative stuff and he had a very artistic touch. I know only because some of them were published in a book I found at the library.

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Comment by oxide
2009-10-26 08:07:40

No, customers are still scrapbooking. They have simply been obtaining supplies at craft stores like AC Moore, Michaels, Hobby Lobby etc. Even Wal-Mart has a sizeable scrapbooking section. No need for a specialty shop. Ditto for the candle shops.

 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-10-26 04:54:29

The US has all the earmarks of a failed state. Massive income inequality, for one thing. Good read.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Financo-State–Are-Yo-by-Paul-Craig-Roberts-091026-652.html

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-26 06:55:52

To those worried about income inequality, I have a suggestion: Give enough of your own money to a random homeless person so that you are happy.

There!

Comment by nycjoe
2009-10-26 07:35:34

To anybody not concerned with income inequality … hope you can afford your own highly paid private security force, a helicopter and a spare (and a team to keep them in repair). I believe this how the few people who have risen above abject poverty tend to live in places like Brazil, Mexico and the Phillipines.

Comment by palmetto
2009-10-26 07:58:33

Exactly, joe.

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Comment by Skip
2009-10-26 07:58:37

A lot of those in Mexico send their families to the US. You don’t hear a lot about it, but kidnapping is a professional industry in Mexico.

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Comment by palmetto
2009-10-26 08:11:28

“kidnapping is a professional industry in Mexico.”

True. Colombia and other countries also. Mexico is a fine example of a failed state. And yet we seem to be following the Mexican model, including importing its citizenry.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-26 08:36:54

I have a friend fro Mexico City who moved his family to the US for this very reason.

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-10-26 09:47:13

Golden Girls - Sophia use to say, the two main exports of her village (in Italy) were:
1. Ransom Notes
2. Piano Wire

 
Comment by CentralCoastDude
2009-10-26 10:23:29

that is the first “golden Girls” quote I have ever read!!! kinda embarrassing.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-10-26 10:48:27

“I have a friend fro Mexico City who moved his family to the US for this very reason.”

Very sad. Ultimately it won’t help him, either. Might delay the inevitable for a little while, but these cartels are so sophisticated that there’s nowhere to hide from them in the US. If they want you, they’ll find you and your family.

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-10-26 13:47:21

CentralCoastDude
We haven’t owned a TV since 1995, but I remember that show.
“Can I ask a dumb question?”
GG reply “Better than anyone else I know.”

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-10-26 17:07:44

I’ve said before, income inequality tends to get all wonkey and non-linear at the extreeme.

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Comment by palmetto
2009-10-26 07:50:57

“Give enough of your own money to a random homeless person so that you are happy.”

Don’t worry, Bill, the gov will do that for you and spare you the effort.

Comment by measton
2009-10-26 08:59:16

Income redistribution is up not down.
The top 0.5% pay a lower effective tax rate than those making 60k a year. They receive massive gov subsidies and tax breaks.

You say oh what about welfare. Welfare is for the elite, it keeps those who have been knocked out of the middle class from rioting before the middle class fleecing is complete.

I imagine there are some very wealthy individuals on this board, but no one in the top 0.5%. Why, because those in the top 0.5% don’t have to go to chat rooms to try to figure out what’s going on. Why? Because they control what’s going on.

Wealth is being transferred from the middle and upper middle class to the elite and to their riot prevention program.

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Comment by packman
2009-10-26 09:04:52

Wealth is being transferred from the middle and upper middle class to the elite and to their riot prevention program.

Agree with all, except I’d include the lower class in there as well. Their wealth is stolen in the form of inflation rather than taxes.

 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-26 10:36:05

Wealth is being transferred from the middle and upper middle class to the elite and to their riot prevention program.

Only because the poor are letting it happen. Sitting around waiting for a check, opps, refund or “bailout”, you dont have time to wonder where the money you dont own goes.

I get sick of hearing the phrase “Where’s my bailout?”

Go out and earn it….

This entitlement society is going to end our republic..

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-26 11:19:01

those in the top 0.5% don’t have to go to chat rooms to try to figure out what’s going on. Why? Because they control what’s going on.

Amen, meanwhile the middle class stands on street corners waving signs that support the pillaging by the uber-rich.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2009-10-26 11:41:27

I imagine there are some very wealthy individuals on this board, but no one in the top 0.5%. Why, because those in the top 0.5% don’t have to go to chat rooms to try to figure out what’s going on. Why? Because they control what’s going on.

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If the top .05% control what is going on, then why did they wreck the banking system that holds their money, send their invesment houses that sends a 1st class mail colored letter showing your investment gains into bankruptcy, and destroy the demand for products they purchase? That doesn’t make sense.

 
Comment by packman
2009-10-26 12:27:36

If the top .05% control what is going on, then why did they wreck the banking system that holds their money, send their invesment houses that sends a 1st class mail colored letter showing your investment gains into bankruptcy, and destroy the demand for products they purchase? That doesn’t make sense.

Because they got super-rich extracting about $8 Trillion from the rest of us in the process. You only have to do that once - what happens after that doesn’t matter.

 
Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-10-26 12:49:07

“If the top .05% control what is going on, then why did they wreck the banking system that holds their money, send their invesment houses that sends a 1st class mail colored letter showing your investment gains into bankruptcy, and destroy the demand for products they purchase? That doesn’t make sense.”

Read Naomi Kleins’ “Disaster Capitalism” and then study up on the Middle Ages. It actually makes complete sense from that perspective.

 
Comment by measton
2009-10-26 13:40:36

If the top .05% control what is going on, then why did they wreck the banking system that holds their money, send their invesment houses that sends a 1st class mail colored letter showing your investment gains into bankruptcy, and destroy the demand for products they purchase? That doesn’t make sense.

I’m sorry is GS recked, or JPM recked. The way I see it they have been stripping wealth the entire time, they knew the system would collapse and planned accordingly. What they didn’t get out before the crash (Some not as lucky as Paulson) They recovered via the governent bailout. The big have gotten bigger while smaller banks have been closed down leading to less competition and greater influence with government.

But what about Lehman

In the first Congressional hearing into the financial crisis, the former CEO of the bankrupt Lehman Brothers, Richard Fuld, became the poster boy for Wall Street greed today as he defended the $484 million he received in salary, bonuses and stock options since 2000.

Waxman cited an e-mail exchange among top Lehman executives. After someone sent an e-mail suggesting that Lehman’s top management give up their bonuses, both Fuld and George H. Walker, a member of Lehman’s executive committee and a cousin of President Bush, sent e-mails disagreeing with the suggestion.

Walker, according to Waxman, replied by writing, “Sorry team. I’m not sure what’s in the water at 605 Third Avenue today. … I’m embarrassed and I apologize.”

Waxman said that Fuld “mocked” the suggestion by adding, “Don’t worry – they are only people who think about their own pockets.”

Waxman also cited a request submitted to Lehman’s compensation committee four days before the firm filed for bankruptcy. The request, he said, recommended that the board give three departing executives over $20 million in “special payments.”

“In other words, even as Mr. Fuld was pleading with Secretary Paulson for a federal rescue, Lehman continued to squander millions on executive compensation,”

 
Comment by measton
2009-10-26 13:46:30

Only because the poor are letting it happen. Sitting around waiting for a check, opps, refund or “bailout”, you dont have time to wonder where the money you dont own goes.

If you read the post is was about how the tax code is in fact regressive in the top 30%-40%. You probably pay a higher total effective tax rate than many of those Wall Streeters you defend. A blind pit bull.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-26 14:06:21

Its about controlling the pie, not about making it bigger. They profit when everything goes to hell in a handbasket. Their share of ownership of real wealth has swollen thses past 10 years.

And when they do get bruised, the taxpayers bail them out, and we are lecture on how we need them and their genius so desperately.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 14:16:20

“If the top .05% control what is going on, then why did they wreck the banking system that holds their money, send their invesment houses that sends a 1st class mail colored letter showing your investment gains into bankruptcy, and destroy the demand for products they purchase? That doesn’t make sense.”

Remind me again? Who got bailed out?

Does that answer your question?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 14:57:03

Another fun fact: many CXOs and BODs have the company… reimburse their personal taxes.

Yep, I’m tired of that “entitlement mentality” as well.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-26 15:04:03

CXOs and BODs have the company… reimburse their personal taxes.

THAT has got to stop. But the BODs won’t do that, they have to “keep the talent” or “attract talent”.

All Ceo-ish types etc have their bonuses taxes paid by the corps. And so goes the ongoing entitlement.

My ceo just sent out a newsletter stating our 3rd 1/4 sucked big time. But guess who picked up bonuses this past April and next April regardless? Anyone? guess, come on you can figure it out!

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-26 15:41:42

My ceo just sent out a newsletter stating our 3rd 1/4 sucked big time. But guess who picked up bonuses this past April and next April regardless? Anyone? guess, come on you can figure it out!

Of course. Same thing at HP. Sales tumble but profits are raised by cutting out the muscle. CEO gets huge bonus. Lather, rinse, repeat until the company is nothing but a hollow shell.

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2009-10-26 10:27:54

What amazes me is that there are so many people in the middle and upper middle income brackets who currently pay a higher total effective tax rate than the top 0.5%, who vocally support their own fleecing.

No to the Death Tax despite the fact that almost no one on this board is affected. Estate must be >3.5mil

Lower dividend and capital gain taxes even though most on this board make the majority of their income the old fashion way, by going to work. While Hedgefunds and Walstreet make theirs with Hedge funds structured in a way to minimize taxes. The consequence of this tax cut while in debt during a war is future inflation for the rest of us, and no indexing of the alternative minimum tax which now hits families making 70k a year now.

Comment by james
2009-10-26 11:59:48

Not agreeing with tax rate decisions here but a good number of people I know sum up their policy on taxes this way:

Starve the government of funds enough and it will get out of the way.

They don’t care what the cut is, as long as it gives the govt less money to play with. They’d give anybody a tax break. In a lot of ways, that is the best thing to do.

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Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-26 15:43:14

SInce when did deficit spending ever stop the government?

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-10-26 19:22:04

Starve the beast just means that it eats your children. (through deficit spending)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 04:59:34

Madoff friend Jeffry Picower dead, found in pool.

MIAMI (Reuters) - Palm Beach billionaire and philanthropist Jeffry Picower, described as the biggest beneficiary of Bernard Madoff’s fraud, died on Sunday after he was found lying at the bottom of the pool at his home, police said.

Police were investigating the death of the 67-year-old investor as a drowning, local media reported.

Picower was pulled unconscious from the pool of his multimillion-dollar oceanside home, called Casa del Sud, by his wife and a housekeeper. He was later pronounced dead, the Palm Beach Post reported quoting police and Fire Rescue officials.

Picower and his wife, Barbara, were friends of Wall Street financier Madoff, who is serving a 150-year sentence after pleading guilty to running a $65 billion Ponzi scheme.

The trustee handling the Madoff fraud case, Irving Picard, said in court documents filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in New York late last month that Picower, newly listed as one of the 400 wealthiest Americans by Forbes magazine, was complicit in the fraud.

Part of Picard’s filing said: “Based upon the trustee’s investigation to date, Picower was the biggest beneficiary of Madoff’s scheme, having withdrawn either directly or through the entities he controlled more than $7.2 billion of other investors’ money.”

Picower was being sued for the $7.2 billion, $2 billion more than the trustee in the case demanded in May.

Comment by Kim
2009-10-26 07:06:51

Yep… that sounds like a natural death.

Comment by Skip
2009-10-26 08:05:23

He was in bad health.

Comment by DD
2009-10-26 12:45:44

STressed out to the max.

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Comment by Skip
2009-10-26 15:15:01

Madoff associate had heart attack, drowned in pool
Autopsy: Madoff associate Jeffry Picower had heart attack, drowned in Palm Beach mansion pool
* By Brian Skoloff, Associated Press Writer
* On 5:09 pm EDT, Monday October 26, 2009

WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (AP) — A man accused of making more than $7 billion off the investment schemes of jailed financial manager Bernard Madoff drowned after having a heart attack, authorities said Monday.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-10-26 09:30:55

Ah, like the head of Freddie Mac who “hanged himself” some months ago. Right… nothing questionable at all about these events!

 
Comment by mikey
2009-10-26 10:32:59

Most people are drowning in debt today.

Would I be too callous and rude to say welcome to the the drowning pool crowd Jeff ?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 06:01:37

Debt is bad, unless it goes unpaid, in which case it is stimulative for economic recovery.

Why does this not sound like a sustainable recovery plan?

* The Wall Street Journal
* THE OUTLOOK
* OCTOBER 26, 2009

Household Debt Can Hasten Recovery, When It Goes Unpaid

By MARK WHITEHOUSE

The pain of millions of people across America losing their homes hardly inspires confidence in the future. But in a brutal way, it could be restoring the financial health of the U.S. consumer faster than many recognize.

One of the biggest clouds on the economic horizon is the vast amount of debt U.S. households took on during the boom years. The Federal Reserve puts total household debt, including mortgage debt, at about $13.7 trillion, or 125% of annual after-tax income, a burden that many economists believe will take several years to pare down to what they see as a more sustainable level of 100%. During that “deleveraging” process, the logic goes, U.S. consumers — whose spending makes up more than two-thirds of the U.S. economy and about one-fifth of the global economy — won’t be able to play a leading role in any recovery.

The gloomy forecasts, though, miss an important point: Debts have value only to the extent that they are being paid, and a rapidly rising number of U.S. households aren’t doing so. Those defaults are leading to losses at banks, a wave of foreclosures, trouble for neighborhoods and strife for families. But they are also providing an immediate, albeit radical, form of debt relief.

“It’s not ideal, because it carries other costs,” said Karen Dynan, a consumer-finance specialist at the liberal Brookings Institution think tank who recently served as a senior adviser to the Federal Reserve. But it is “going to help get household balance sheets back to the right place.”

Comment by Al
2009-10-26 06:09:32

This is pure genius. Debt forgiveness for everyone, so the morons can start taking out new debt and propping up asset prices. This time, though, everyone has to jump in. Being responsible will always be punished accordingly.

Comment by realestateskeptic
2009-10-26 06:56:16

Its called the bankruptcy code. Run up huge credit card debt buying “stuff” discharge in Bankruptcy.

Comment by Jim A.
2009-10-26 07:50:32

Which is SUPPOSED to dissuade the banks from lending money to people already in a deep hole. But they they figured they could change dischargeable CC debt into non-dischargeable mortgage debt through ReFi’s and HELOCs. Even better, they could take that non-dischargebale debt, repackage it and sell it to pension funds. Voila, there’s suddenly no reason for them to worry about borrowers ability to repay. Until the ReFi/HELOC machine grinds to a halt, and they’re stuck with ALOT of bad debts they never thought they’d have to hold on to.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 12:49:27

“Until the ReFi/HELOC machine grinds to a halt, and they’re stuck with ALOT of bad debts they never thought they’d have to hold on to.”

This is the point where the TARP comes into play…

 
 
Comment by Al
2009-10-26 07:53:20

Bankruptcy has such a negative connotation to it, and is only meant for individuals. I’m thinking of a more general debt forgiveness, where those having their debt forgiven can stand up and proudly resume their role as consumers. They are, after all, saving the economy.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-10-26 09:59:07

Aren’t we the only industrialized country, that has medical bill induced bankruptcy? Many of whom had health care coverage.
(I recall hearing that in a PBS documentary.)

“Bankruptcy has such a negative connotation to it…”

 
 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2009-10-26 06:25:24

One person’s debt is another person’s money. If a debt is never repaid then the person the debt is owed to is hosed, not the person who owes the debt.

It’s not just the banks that get screwed when debts go unpaid it’s anyone who is owed the money, just as were the Madoff Millionaires who were one day rich and the next day poor.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-26 06:58:12

I’m down to my last few hundreds of dollars owed on my cc. I noticed they raised my credit limit. I don’t know why they did that though. Do they think I’m going to want to all-of-a-sudden reverse gear and buy up all sorts of toys?

Comment by James
2009-10-26 08:00:41

It’s a bank thing.

They want to lend you money when your flush and run away when you could use a loan.

Darn it Bill, go overspend and stimulate! We are causing deflation! Deflation! Do you hear me!

:)

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-10-26 10:34:33

This seems as good of a place to pipe in on the latest “you can’t make this up, can you…” event in my life.

[Background: I play guitar as a hobby.]

A few weeks ago I ordered a nice little delay (echo) pedal from a well-known maker that assembles all their devices in New York City. I think I ordered it the day Obama wanted $250 checks for the old people or something. I was depressed and figured I’d stimulate the economy and get ahead of inflation. So I ordered it.

It arrived all out of whack. Didn’t work as it should. So I called the internet business I ordered it from and explained the situation. These things happen, and in the meantime I read that a bunch of people were having problems with the first shipments of these puppies. And I had serial number 70 of the run, so I figure I’ll just return it for a refund and in a few months when another couple production runs get through the system I’ll order it again. So I just explain that to the person on the phone, she’s really nice about the whole thing.

Then she says, “we’ll refund your money and just throw away the pedal since it doesn’t work.”

Jaw drop. Really? It will cost $8 at most to send it back priority mail. You really don’t want to pay for me to ship it back? Nope?

So I figure I have nothing to lose. Wait a few days for the credit to pop up on my credit card, then open up pedal, get out soldering iron, and in five minutes have a pedal that works as good as new. For free.

Anyway, no idea what the story means, but considering this retailer is owned by Bain Capital Management, I wouldn’t go investing in them any time soon. Maybe this is a new stimulus plan? Just have people “buy” things but don’t charge them for it?

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Comment by Jim A.
2009-10-26 10:51:20

It’s not the $8 for shipping that they’re worried about. It’s paying for somebody-who-knows-what-they’re-doing to fix them. Probably cost more than the wholesale on the pedal, since it was put together by people who don’t really know anything. So the $8 is completely wasted ’cause they’re not going to fix it.

 
Comment by Bad Chile
2009-10-26 11:05:50

True, but I didn’t buy it direct.

I’d hope the retailer could at least get a credit for the wholesale cost of the pedal (which I’m guessing they will anyway). But the potential for fraud on this is huge.

As a guy I jam with regularly said, “I’m going to go buy a ton of stuff, claim half is defective and see what I get to keep.”

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 11:07:53

Yup Chile I have a big muff by electro harmonix ….the shop is about 12 blocks from my apartment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Muff

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-26 11:42:27

Bain Capital Management? Are they the ones that own like Guitar Center, Music & Arts, Woodwind and Brasswind, Musicians Friend and tons of other things?

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-10-26 12:03:21

LOL, Bain Capital Management. You want to know what kind of managers Bain turns out, look at Ebay. John Donawhore is an alumnus of Pain Capital Mangement. Scum of the earth.

 
Comment by Bad Chile
2009-10-26 12:22:40

aNYCdj - yep. Just got a Big Muff with Tone Wicker and I love it. What a great little pedal. And once I realized how small the XO enclosure is…I figured I’d get a Memory Boy Delay since it supposedly could get close to the Deluxe Memory Man sound. The way I love the Muff with Tone Wicker…you might try to get on with those folks. I’ll be sending a good chunk of change their way in the next few months.

VB - yep. Add Music123 to that list (actually Music123 was purchased by Musician’s Friend right before the Bain takeover).

All - I wrote Electro-Harmonix about sending it in for repair, including mentioning I was told to throw it away (before I opened it up and fixed it myself). Just got a reply - “Since it is still under warranty, send $12 to cover return shipping.” How is that for customer service?

 
 
 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-10-26 10:39:45

I have about $300 left on my BOA Visa. This company has pissed me off so bad, I am going to pay it off and get rid of them. USAA is better anyway…

Comment by measton
2009-10-26 14:51:00

I have about $300 left on my BOA Visa. This company has pissed me off so bad, I am going to pay it off and get rid of them. USAA is better anyway.

What’s wrong the free market not catering to you so you head back into the warm arms of socialism.

One of the characteristics that allows USAA to operate differently than almost every other Fortune 500 company is that it is not a corporation. The parent company, United Services Automobile Association is an inter-insurance exchange, the establishment of which is provided for under the Texas Insurance Code.[21] This insurance exchange is made up of current and former military officers and NCOs who have taken out P&C policies with USAA; thus they simultaneously are insured by each other and, as a group, own USAA’s assets.

PS I bank with them as well and for the same reasons.

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Comment by mikey
2009-10-26 10:47:11

I don’t owe anyone anything as I just fnished paying all the normal renters bills…

“Render unto to Ceaser”.

Well, there’s death and taxes but I’ll hold off on those minor items for a little while.
:)

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-10-26 07:24:32

“…what they see as a more sustainable level of 100%.”

Wow, these eCONomists think that spending every cent one makes is actually a sustainable plan.

That settles it, before the pols, lawyers, and CEOs - economists should be the ones to feel the people’s wrath first. What a sham profession.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 14:50:37

“Supply side” economics wasn’t called “Voodoo” economics for no reason.

The flaw was, is and always will be “supply side” economics means you HAVE to spend every dollar earned for it work.

And people wonder why I hate Reagan.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 14:51:42

“…for it TO work..”

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 06:06:29

How does the mortgage denial rate for blacks compare to the rate at which banks in trouble are denied TARP funding from the Fed because they don’t know how to manage money properly? Perhaps the data for the comparison doesn’t exist, as banks automatically qualify provided they lost money in the financial crisis?

* The Wall Street Journal
* REAL ESTATE
* OCTOBER 6, 2009, 8:01 A.M. ET

U.S. Data Show High Mortgage-Denial Rate for Blacks

By JAMES R. HAGERTY

A Federal Reserve report on home mortgage data showed that blacks and Hispanic whites were far more likely than non-Hispanic whites to be denied last year in applying to refinance.

The annual report is based on data collected from more than 8,000 mortgage lenders nationwide under the Home Mortgage Disclosure Act of 1975, known as HMDA.

For applications to refinance conventional mortgages, those that aren’t insured by the federal government, the denial rate for blacks or African Americans was 61%. That compares with 51% for Hispanic whites and 32% for non-Hispanic whites.

Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2009-10-26 07:51:40

And, after controlling for income, the correlation disappeared!

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 12:52:45

It has nothing whatsoever to do with the size of the loan request relative to income?

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 06:08:48

* The Wall Street Journal
* OCTOBER 26, 2009

Fed’s Tarullo Shakes Up Bank Rules

By JON HILSENRATH and DAMIAN PALETTA

The rise of Daniel Tarullo, a lawyer with a longstanding interest in bank regulation appointed to the Federal Reserve Board by President Barack Obama, is a sign the era of light-touch bank regulation is over.

New guidelines on bankers’ pay proposed by the Fed last week reflect Mr. Tarullo’s influence. He is shaking up the Fed’s 2,858-person army of bank supervisors, weighing in on issues ranging from the way regulators deal with troubled commercial real estate loans to the rules that will govern global banking for years to come.

“Dan is filling a gap,” says Richard Fisher, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. During the Greenspan era, Mr. Fisher says, banking supervision in Washington was “de-emphasized.” Now, after a banking calamity, it’s a priority.

Comment by palmetto
2009-10-26 06:19:55

“During the Greenspan era, Mr. Fisher says, banking supervision in Washington was “de-emphasized.” Now, after a banking calamity, it’s a priority.”

As long as it’s not all smoke and mirrors. For starters, let’s get rid of fractional reserve banking.

Comment by realestateskeptic
2009-10-26 06:59:15

I don’t have a problem with fractional reserve banking, it what they do with what they keep that seems to have caused the collapses over time. Too much risk, too much leverage and just plain stupidity and greed seems to have pushed them over the edge, not the basic idea of fractional reserve banking. Just my 2 cents.

Comment by james
2009-10-26 12:07:34

I’m OK with fractional reserve lending but believe the banks need to hold 25%~33% reserves.

Our lending institutions were at 4% reserves.

EU typical was 2.5% reserves.

That is the mass of debt outweighs cash by 25:1 ratio out there.

For the lovely Euro haven seekers: 40:1 ratio.

Crazy, eh?

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-10-26 09:19:22

“…During the Greenspan era, Mr. Fisher says, banking supervision in Washington was “de-emphasized.”” ;-)

Geez, “The Maestro” has been “Knighted”… it’s a title he has “earned”.

SIR Greenisspent, …sir as is: …”yes sir, you’re a genius!”

Comment by mikey
2009-10-26 10:55:39

Greenspan admits …” a flaw in the model”

Ooops…goodbye and you people have a nice day!

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 06:12:58

Things are looking up for reestablishing a rule of law in the financial sector.

* The Wall Street Journal
* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* OCTOBER 26, 2009, 7:45 A.M. ET

The Countrywide Files
A revolt forces Ed Towns to subpoena the ‘Friends of Angelo’ documents.

At last, there’s some good news for taxpayers in the Countrywide Financial loan scandal. On Friday night, House oversight committee chairman Edolphus Towns (D., N.Y.) and ranking member Darrell Issa (R., Calif.) reached an agreement to subpoena documents from the “Friends of Angelo” program. Named for former Countrywide CEO Angelo Mozilo, the program provided VIP mortgages to “friends” including Senators Chris Dodd and Kent Conrad.

Said Mr. Towns, “In line with the commitment to an ethical and accountable Congress, the subpoena to Countrywide covers records that could show special treatment for Members of Congress.” This is significant, because a compromise plan floated last week would have authorized a subpoena covering—don’t laugh—all federal officials except members of Congress.

Kudos to Illinois Congressman Mike Quigley, who became the first committee Democrat to publicly back a subpoena when he told us, “Both parties must decide that they can’t protect their members, no matter how powerful they are.” Last week, New Hampshire Democrat Paul Hodes also made the principled decision to buck his party and join Mr. Quigley in calling for the subpoena of Bank of America, which bought Countrywide last year and has said it is ready to provide the documents if asked. These defections from his own party forced the reluctant hand of Mr. Towns, who was under pressure from other Democrats to keep all this under wraps.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-10-26 07:12:01

Wait a minute. Why would Democrats want to keep this under wraps? Anyone? Exeter? Exeter?

Comment by Jim A.
2009-10-26 07:52:58

..Because the tan-man’s sleeze-slick coated both sides of the aisle.

Comment by Olympiagal
2009-10-26 08:21:17

Nice.

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Comment by James
2009-10-26 08:03:00

Oh, we will probably end up shocked to find Ron Paul on that list too.

Comment by Leighsong
2009-10-26 13:29:46

Huh?

Leigh

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Comment by palmetto
2009-10-26 06:22:57

I don’t know if this will make it past the filters, but I’ve come to realize that the purpose of Congress is to (figuratively) spread the legs of the American people and hold them down for the gangbangers. Laws are being made to protect perpetrators of crime. As Paul Craig Roberts says, that is the sign of a failed state.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-10-26 06:51:06

I really think the sheep analogy is better.

This is not a once and done pillage.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-10-26 14:46:45

“The lambs… they were screaming!”

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 06:25:22

Damn good thing we have the gubmint pay-master on the job! Imagine what this poor fellow could have been paid, to run a failed business, if not for the D.C. brain trust.

ALL BUSINESS: Generous pay for new Freddie Mac CFO.
NEW YORK

The pay package given to Freddie Mac’s new chief financial officer should have sent a message from Washington to corporate America about how executive compensation standards must change. Instead, it did just the opposite.

The government-controlled mortgage finance company is giving CFO Ross Kari compensation worth as much as $5.5 million. That includes an almost $2 million cash signing bonus and a generous salary that could top $2.3 million.

The Federal Housing Finance Agency, which oversees Freddie Mac, approved the pay package. A spokeswoman pointed to a statement that justified the agency’s approval of the pay, which was done in part because the amount was comparable to what others in the financial services industry make.

That way of thinking is exactly what helped feed the surge in executive pay over the last decade. Everyone wants to make at least as much, or more, than their peers.

Freddie Mac is not just another company. It’s alive today, and nearly 80 percent owned by the government, only because almost $51 billion in taxpayer funds were pumped into it over the last year. More bailout money also may be needed in the quarters ahead as losses from its troubled mortgages mount.

Outside pay experts are outraged. “We are in a period when this shouldn’t be acceptable,” said Paul Hodgson, a senior research associate at The Corporate Library, an independent corporate governance research firm. “Even if pay is competitive to the market, that doesn’t make it OK today.”

Lawmakers, regulators and corporate directors have spent the last year talking about how to “fix” executive pay following the outcry over what many Americans deem as excessive compensation.

Comment by Kim
2009-10-26 07:16:14

I almost can’t blame Ross Kari for wanting a huge upfront salary. After all, the job isnt likely to last very long.

Comment by polly
2009-10-26 12:28:07

He is also probably operating under very severe restrictions of what he can do to fix things. Can you imagine what would happen to him if he announced that Freddie would only purchase loans that are at least 20% down, fully amortizing fixed rate with PITI taking up no more than 25% of net pay of the borrower?

 
 
 
Comment by Rancher
2009-10-26 06:33:15

Excerpt from the Ticker forum:

“DETROIT (Reuters) – In a crowded ballroom next to a bankrupt casino, what remains of the Detroit property market was being picked over by speculators and mostly discarded.

After five hours of calling out a drumbeat of “no bid” for properties listed in an auction book as thick as a city phone directory, the energy of the county auctioneer began to flag.

“OK,” he said. “We only have 300 more pages to go.”

There was tired laughter from investors ready to roll the dice on a city that has become a symbol of the collapse of the U.S. auto industry, pressures on the industrial middle-class and intractable problems for the urban poor.

On the auction block in Detroit: almost 9,000 homes and lots in various states of abandonment and decay from the tidy owner-occupied to the burned-out shell claimed by squatters.”

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-10-26 06:33:36

DId Obama appoint a “CNBC bullish-news only censorship czar”? Must have because he is really cracking the whip this morning. Major commercial creditor collapse is the real news, but Cramer just wrote a new book and it is #1 on the NYT-bestseller list! BUY, BUY,BUY!!!!!

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-10-26 07:33:06

The English language is perhaps the most accomodative langauge in the history of man. That said, we need another word fast to replace “books” to cover the printed and bound vomit that comes from people like him, or that former governor of Alsaka, or just about any other socio/politico hack. “Book” is too good a word.

Any ideas? It has to be one syllable - easy to remember and use.

Comment by Al
2009-10-26 07:58:19

Fook?

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-10-26 08:06:11

bound-turd-wipes. Too many syllables - dammitt!

Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-26 08:39:09

TP

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Comment by speedingpullet
2009-10-26 09:12:49

Barf?
Bork?

or

Bleuch?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-10-26 06:48:08

“We spent, as a nation, more than we were producing,” Volcker said. Mix that with a real-estate bubble, reckless financial manipulation and too little government oversight, and it was a recipe for disaster.

From yesterday’s bits thread.

We are borrowing and spending even more now as a nation than we are producing. Plus, the government is now fully in charge of leading the reckless financial manipulation known as the recovery.

Comment by nycjoe
2009-10-26 07:38:10

Aw, but the Dow is up. The Dow only goes up. It’s like the last helicopter out of Saigon.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-10-26 07:44:13

And there is a string from the rotor-head stretching toward the heavens apparently hitched to the space-shuttle because the engine on the ‘copter flamed-out a year ago.

Comment by Jim A.
2009-10-26 07:56:33

So the economy is autorotating? What happens when we have no more speed to trade for rate of descent?

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Comment by pressboardbox
2009-10-26 08:08:24

Sorry, FED has abolished all laws of gravity. Thus, dead-mans-curve no longer applies.

 
 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-10-26 09:10:43

“Aw, but the Dow is up. The Dow only goes up. It’s like the last helicopter out of Saigon.”

Well, interestingly enough, “SELL EVERY RALLY” has actually been working for the last week.

Or for the last of the weak. The repeal of economic gravity may have been greatly exaggerated. The SSM (State Sponsored Media) seems to be under a life or death mandate these days to make that halo really glow around the countenance of the Annointed One.

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-10-26 09:43:26

And to further the Saigon - Vietnam analogy, let us look to Af-Nam-istan -

On Oct 20:

President Barack Obama is quietly deploying an extra 13,000 troops to Afghanistan, an unannounced move that is separate from a request by the US commander in the country for even more reinforcements.

The extra 13,000 is part of a gradual shift in priority since Obama became president away from Iraq to Afghanistan.

The White House and the Pentagon both announced earlier this year that the number of US troops in Afghanistan was to be raised by 21,000, bringing the total at present to 62,000, with the aim of 68,000 by the end of the year.

But the Washington Post, based on conversations with Pentagon officials, said that on top of those an extra 13,000 “enablers” are also being deployed. They are mainly engineers, medical staff, intelligence officers and military police. About 3,000 of them are specialists in explosives, being sent to try to combat the growing fatality rate from roadside bombs.

The deployment of such non-combat troops is in line with the professed aim of the new US commander, General Stanley McChrystal, to try to win the hearts and minds of the Afghanistan population.

Followed by:

Afghan police open fire after protesters burn effigy of Barack Obama
Afghan police opened fire to disperse up to 1,000 protesters in Kabul on Sunday after they burned an effigy of President Barack Obama in protest at American troops allegedly desecrating a copy of the Koran.

Comment by Skip
2009-10-26 12:27:04

You forgot the part about the current regime of Hamid Karzai doing such a bad job in stealing the last election that he admitted it was a bad job and agreed to re-steal it again next month.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 06:53:54

Lawrence Livermore Laboratories has discovered the heaviest element yet known to science.

The new element, Governmentium (Gv), has one neutron, 25 assistant neutrons, 88 deputy neutrons, and 198 assistant deputy neutrons, giving it an atomic mass of 312. These 312 particles are held together by forces called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like particles called peons. Since Governmentium has no electrons, it is inert; however, it can be detected, because it impedes every reaction with which it comes into contact.

A tiny amount of Governmentium can cause a reaction that would normally take less than a second, to take from 4 days to 4 years to complete. Governmentium has a normal half-life of 2 to 6 years. It does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in which a portion of the assistant neutrons and deputy neutrons exchange places.

In fact, Governmentium’s mass will actually increase over time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become neutrons, forming isodopes. This characteristic of morons promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons’ reach a critical concentration. This hypothetical quantity is referred to as critical morass.

When catalysed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium, an element that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium since it has half as many peons but twice as many morons.

Comment by CrackerJim
2009-10-26 07:10:46

Nobel Laureate material! Physics, Economics and Literature.

 
Comment by peter a
2009-10-26 07:24:37

That is quite funny

 
Comment by Al
2009-10-26 08:01:20

So what does it take to get one of those suckers to go nuclear? Split it with a pitch fork?

Comment by polly
2009-10-26 08:47:07

Change its pension plan.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2009-10-26 08:37:16

+ 1 wmbz.. :)

 
Comment by measton
2009-10-26 09:12:07

That’s funny

My mom worked for a hospital that had 8-9 vice presidents.

The wealth strippers multiply when they find sugar.

I like the post the other day about how MAD had been taken over by wealth strippers looking for a paycheck.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 14:34:22

That was me.

MADD was taken over by investor/lawyers who forced the original owners out.

This happened years ago.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-10-26 09:59:53

“…believe that Governmentium is formed whenever morons’ reach a critical concentration.”

Date of last recorded event:
Cheney-Shrub “Shadow Gov’t” …Nov 2008

 
Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-10-26 12:56:49

LOL. That is, Hands down, the funniest thing I have read all year.

Reminds me of this little gem about ‘vacuum pockets’
http://www.sciforums.com/vacuum-pockets-and-safety-nazis-t-41446.html

Question is though, how many people in this country actually took enough high school chemistry and physics to know why it’s so hillarious?

Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 14:42:42

This is unfortunately quite common.

To answer your question: less than ever before.

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-10-26 07:04:32

Several people at work telling me also that the good jobs are going overseas and worried what America will be noted for.

My suggestions:

Al Gore’s Carbon footprint business
antique stores
bed and breakfast
green tours
Hollywood movies
NYC movies
Expert litigators (lawyers)
land for sale to Chinese mainlanders.
Porn

can’t think of anything else Americans will make money at in a few years.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-10-26 07:18:36

You left out scams and rip-offs which appear to be widely accepted in America now as viable enterprises in the name of supporting the economy. All is fair in the greedy pursuit of greediness.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-26 08:32:01

Do you expect the defense contractors to go out of business?

Comment by scdave
2009-10-26 08:42:48

Exactly….Tanks & Planes…

YouTube - “We’re Number 37″ - Paul Hipp

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-10-26 09:37:26

LMAO…that’s awesome scdave!

“My brother had a hernia operation…now he’s living out in the street”

Cute picture of the Saudi King kissing Shrub ;-)

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Comment by measton
2009-10-26 09:13:39

Do you expect the defense contractors to go out of business?

Only once the middle class is completely dead. After that they will have to strip money from those higher up the food chain.

Comment by exeter
2009-10-26 09:41:15

Bed and Breakfast=The most moronic business model in human history. I’ve seen more dumba$$es get crushed under the weight of the b&b stupidity than I can count. It’s very much in the same vein as a “landscaping” business which is fundamentally a fraud-like way of saying lawn mower.

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Comment by scdave
2009-10-26 12:30:06

Bed and Breakfast=The most moronic business model ??

Amen to that…I always thought it was quite amusing to see people pay out the Kazoo for some old dysfunctional 100 year old house so they could go back to their ancestors roots and serving tea and cinnamon apple pie for a living…

 
 
 
 
Comment by james
2009-10-26 11:26:35

Weapons dude. In another decade or so the ICBM will be history as the nation making weapon. We will all be able to go toe to toe again.

THEL will rule the skies.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 14:32:23

“Several people at work telling me also that the good jobs are going overseas and worried what America will be noted for.”

They’re just now noticing? Where have they been for the last 30 years?

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-10-26 16:53:40

The last 30 years was blue collar, beneath their notice. Now it’s white collar, they notice.

 
 
 
Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-26 08:47:48

The other day, I was chatting with a neighbor who works at Applied Materials doing nanotechnology stuff. He mentioned this recent Thomas Friedman column about how the manufacturing processes his company innovates and the factories it creates are implemented overseas, not in the US. My neighbor gave additional examples.

after the w-s: nytimes.com/2009/09/16/opinion/16friedman.html

(Not a Friedman fan, but it’s an interesting case.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 09:06:27

Hip:

Question for the neighbor….could say GM workers be qualified or easily retrained to manufacture solar panels? if not why not?

Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-26 10:17:06

dj,

I’ll ask him when I see him, which might not be for a while as I won’t be around on the weekend. I wish I had thought to ask him.

He feels strongly that the US is making a mistake by not emphasizing manufacturing and jobs to rebuild the economy after the debacle of the FIRE economy. At the same time, I know that his work is on machines that create products, so it will be interesting to hear what role he sees for the American worker.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 11:11:22

thanks… considering we have plenty of available labor today and they wont be as demanding as they were 3 years ago when they were all in unions.

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-10-26 11:26:52

DJ:

I’ve said this repeatedly to friends who claim OR is the next hot-spot for “green” jobs. The infrastructure is there, the people are there (and they’re hungry), the process is there so why wouldn’t mfgs choose MI?

Only thing OR has is a port but perhaps that’s enough?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-10-26 13:53:19

Ovonics is one of the large Solar manufacturers and they are in MI.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 14:32:34

About United Solar Ovonic

United Solar Ovonic, a subsidiary of Energy Conversion Devices, Inc. (ECD) (NASDAQ: ENER), is the leader in building integrated and commercial rooftop photovoltaics, one of the fastest growing segments of the solar power industry. The company manufactures and sells thin-film solar laminates that convert sunlight to energy using proprietary technology. ECD’s UNI-SOLAR® brand products are unique because of their flexibility, light weight, ease of installation, durability, and real-world efficiency.

United Solar Ovonic’s Auburn Hills 1 (AH1) facility operates at 28MW annual production capacity. The Auburn Hills 2 (AH2) location operates at 30MW annually. AH1 began commercial production in May 2003 and commercial production for AH2 began in December 2006.

In March of 2007, ECD announced that Greenville, Michigan was selected as the location of its third solar cell manufacturing plant with an annual production capacity of 60MW. Greenville 1 (GV1) became operational in November 2007. A fourth manufacturing facility with an annual production capacity of 60MW was added and Greenville 2 (GV2) became operational in September of 2008.

The company announced further expansion plans of its nameplate capacity to 420MWs in fiscal year 2010 and to 720MWs in fiscal year 2011. The accelerated expansion is in response to the growing global demand for thin-film, flexible solar laminates. The expansion includes adding 120MWs nameplate capacity to its existing Greenville Campus. ECD also broke ground in November of 2008 for a new 120MW solar cell manufacturing plant in Battle Creek, Michigan. It is expected to be in commercial production by mid fiscal year 2010. This rapid growth is being made possible by an enhanced system engineering approach and a commitment to operational excellence including improved conversion efficiencies, throughput, and yield.

Other major announcements in 2008 included United Solar’s parent company (ECD) reaching sustainable profitability, closing a $400 million financing deal enabling its growth to 1GW in capacity by fiscal year 2012, and announcing “UNI-SOLAR Laminates will Power World’s Largest Rooftop Solar System for General Motors.”

World Headquarters:
United Solar Ovonic LLC
3800 Lapeer Road
Auburn Hills, MI 48326
Phone: 248-475-0100
Fax: 248-364-0510

Manufacturing Facilities:
Auburn Hills I, MI — 167,000 Square Feet
Auburn Hills II, MI — 170,000 Square Feet
Greenville I, MI — (expanding to 280,000 Square Feet)
Greenville II, MI — (expanding to 280,000 Square Feet)
Battle Creek I, MI — (under construction, 265,000 Square Feet)
Tijuana, Mexico — 288,000 Square Feet

Executive Officers:
Mark Morelli, President and Chief Executive Officer of Energy Conversion Devices, Inc.
Subhendu Guha, Senior Vice President ECD and Chairman, United Solar Ovonic LLC

Website:
http://www.uni-solar.com
Year Founded: 1990

 
 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-10-26 11:29:51

Why not Micky D or 7-11 workers?

Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-10-26 11:49:18

I had the idea of outsourcing the drive-thru sign to India via VOIP. Then about 2 years later I saw the news that someone was trying it, only the order taking center was stateside (for the beginning).

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Comment by hip in zilker
2009-10-26 09:20:38

Neighbor also mentioned that a Chinese solar cell manufacturing company may build a plant in San Antonio.
after the w-s : mysanantonio.com/business/63344862.html

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-26 12:52:41

Friedman is a blowhard egotist. As long as he got his ala globalization= flat earth.

 
 
Comment by rahm
2009-10-26 08:51:39

It looks like there’s a party at the white house. Music every weekend, golf every other weekend.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 11:44:54

when will the 2 big O’s get together and dance the Zydeco?

lets see if Michele will bust up a boogie dance between the pres and oprah!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 09:14:28

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama will announce the largest investment of economic stimulus funds in clean energy during a visit to Florida, an Obama administration official said on Monday.

The announcement will involve the smart grid, which will help bring energy from clean domestic sources to consumers in 49 states and help build a strong and more reliable electricity grid, the official said.

Obama is to travel to Arcadia, Florida, on Tuesday to make the speech and take a tour of the DeSoto Next Generation Solar Energy Center.

Separately, U.S. Vice President Joe Biden plans on Tuesday to visit a closed General Motors plant in Wilmington, Delaware, where he is expected to announce that it will be reopened for the building of plug-in hybrid electric cars.

The California-based venture capital firm Fisker Automotive Inc has reached a deal to buy the former GM assembly plant and plans to use it for the manufacture of the cars, according to a source familiar with the details of Biden’s visit.

A White House statement on Biden’s visit said he planned a major announcement about the assembly plant’s future, but gave no other details. Delaware is Biden’s home state.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 09:38:02

Home-buyer tax credit is administrative nightmare
Get ready to wait: 2009 tax refunds will be delayed for months.

LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) — Last November, J. Russell George, the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration, warned the Internal Revenue Service that if they didn’t ask for documentation from people filing for the first-time home-buyer credit, there would be fraud. The IRS ignored the advice. The result?

The IRS doled out about $620 million to ineligible filers. See TaxWatch.

Big deal, you might say. How does it affect me? Well, thanks to the problems, the IRS is now checking every return by hand. If you’re among the millions of people who bought or plan to buy a first home in 2009, be prepared for long delays in getting your tax refund sent to you.
Flaws in the home tax-break program

That’s true whether you plan to claim the credit on your 2009 return, or you’ve amended your 2008 tax return to get your refund sooner. Either way, get ready to wait. TaxMama has been hearing from people whose amended returns were filed as far back as June or July who are still waiting for their money.
What’s holding it all up?

TaxMama’s office has processed several hundred amended 2008 returns (From 1040X), and a few original 2008 electronically filed returns (Form 1040). Most were processed properly in the normal course of business. Then the calls started. We began to realize there’s a huge problem, and it’s just beginning. There are three different scenarios we’ve encountered.

Problem No. 1: The IRS lost some returns. We thought IRS was simply not recording them on the taxpayer record until the amended returns were processed. We reassured clients and callers, advocating patience. After four months, without their 1040X appearing in the system, we investigated, using a Power of Attorney authorization from several taxpayers.

The expert staff at the Practitioner Priority Service hotline can find just about anything — if it’s in the system. They absolutely could not find two of the returns we asked about.

Comment by packman
2009-10-26 12:34:17

Keep in mind this is the same organization that will be expanding its handling of our health records.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 09:45:46

I would LOVE to see it canceled, will be surprised if it happens. I would expect some last minuet end around BS.

Housing Tax Credit Probably Won’t Be Extended in U.S., ISI Says

Oct. 26 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Congress probably won’t extend the tax credit for first-time home buyers, according to a note sent by ISI Group Inc.’s Washington research analysts.

“There could be an agreement reached as early today on the Reid/Baucus amendment that would PHASE OUT (not extend, as we originally understood when the idea was first proposed last week) the home buyer tax credit,” ISI analysts said in the note. “The phase out is worse than a straight extension and probably worse for housing than the consensus.”

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-10-26 10:01:26

The bottom of the year is always dead for house sales. So, it would be the optimal time to let this expire for about two months. That way the pols could make it look like they are clamping down. Then perhaps they’ll just wait until February and the unveil a whole new credit - timed for the spring.

Leave it to career pols to do something that allows them to have their cake and eat it too.

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-10-26 10:40:25

Yeah, I’m sure they’re going to phase it out, in the form of a 100-year cliff plan.

In 2109 the tax credit will drop to $0.00.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-10-26 16:56:39

Don’t forget 2010 elections are coming.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 11:07:40

Builders Slump

A gauge of 12 homebuilders in S&P indexes slumped 2.5 percent, led by Pulte Homes Inc. and D.R. Horton Inc. Senate leaders are negotiating to extend and gradually reduce an $8,000 tax credit for first-time homebuyers through 2010, Senator Bill Nelson said. The credit was set to expire at the end of November.

“The phase out is worse than a straight extension and probably worse for housing than the consensus,” ISI Group Inc. analysts said in a note.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 11:18:40

Update: It’s not going away, anytime soon.

Nelson Says Senate to Extend, Reduce Homebuyer Credit (Update1)

Oct. 26 (Bloomberg) — Senate leaders are negotiating to extend and gradually reduce an $8,000 tax credit for first-time homebuyers through 2010, Senator Bill Nelson of Florida said.

“We should be able to extend that later this week,” Nelson, a Democrat, told reporters traveling today with President Barack Obama on Air Force One to a speech in Jacksonville, Florida.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada and Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus of Montana, both Democrats, may seek to add the homebuyers extension to legislation extending unemployment benefits that may be debated as early as this week, according to Regan Lachapelle, an aide to Reid.

Lawmakers are under pressure from real estate agents, mortgage brokers, and homebuilders to extend the $8,000 credit before it expires Nov. 30.

Baucus and Reid made a proposal last week to Senate Republicans that would extend the homebuyer credit through 2010, Lachapelle said. First-time homebuyers who close before April 1 would get the full $8,000, and the credit’s value would be reduced by $2,000 in each successive quarter until expiring at the end of the year.

The proposal was intended to counter one by Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, a Connecticut Democrat, and Senator Johnny Isakson, a Georgia Republican and former realtor, to extend the full $8,000 credit through next June, and to expand it to all couples earning $300,000 or less. The Baucus- Reid proposal would continue limiting the benefit to first-time homebuyers, Lachapelle said.

Business Tax Break

Baucus and Reid also proposed an extension of a business tax break that allows companies with losses in 2008 and 2009 to amend tax returns for any of the previous four years to get a refund of taxes paid. Without the benefit, companie

Comment by neuromance
2009-10-26 19:06:43

Professor Bear nailed this prediction some time ago. I’m quite impressed (this and the one predicting that the stock market would skyrocket in response to the massive Fed stimulus). This weekend I spoke with a real estate booster who told me I needed to move because the 8K credit was expiring. I replied, it’s going to be extended (based on what I’ve read here). And sure enough, here we go.

While it’s no fun seeing the government spend trillions trying to keep real estate prices at bubble levels, in order to please FIRE lobbyists and politicians, I do take some pleasure in understanding what’s going on in the background, why things are happening, and having an idea of what’s going to happen next.

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2009-10-26 10:06:18

NEW YORK (AP) — The decline in U.S. newspaper circulation is accelerating as the industry struggles with defections to the Internet and tumbling ad revenue.

Figures released Monday by the Audit Bureau of Circulations show that average daily circulation dropped 10.6 percent in the April-September period from the same six-month span in 2008. That was greater than the 7.1 percent decline in the October 2008-March 2009 period and the 4.6 percent drop in the April-September period of 2008.

Sunday circulation fell 7.5 percent in the latest six-month span.

As expected, The Wall Street Journal has surpassed USA Today as the top-selling newspaper in the United States. The Journal’s average Monday-Friday circulation edged up 0.6 percent to 2.02 million — making it the only daily newspaper in the top 25 to see an increase.

USA Today saw its worst decline ever, dropping more than 17 percent to 1.90 million. The newspaper has blamed reductions in travel for much of the circulation shortfall, because many of its single-copy sales come in airports and hotels.

Ben’s request to rank papers may be a moot point.

Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-26 11:01:09

I was on the road last week and didn’t even bother to grab a free USA Today at the hotel.

Comment by bink
2009-10-26 11:58:54

I think this has come up before here. I actively try to avoid getting them delivered, but it’s impossible. A lot of hotels now give you the option when you check in to take off $0.75/day if you choose not to have USA Today dropped on your doorstep. Each time I’ve done it they just ignore the request and drop it off anyways, then they forget to give me the discount.

What a waste of perfectly good trees and colored ink.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 11:36:11

Well since most of the local papers cut out the daily stock prices..the WSJ is the last man standing

Comment by Skip
2009-10-26 12:38:29

Yeah, I thought it incredibly moronic of papers to drop the things that your older base of readers really use in an effort to attract younger readers.

 
 
Comment by Northeastener
2009-10-26 13:20:31

Sunday circulation fell 7.5 percent in the latest six-month span.

And this after I got killed on an NYT short trade last week… ARGGHH!

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-10-26 10:23:20

Hey OlyGal, PNW version of Pasadena’s Dooh-Dah parade? ;-)

Nation’s Morons March On Washington State:
October 21, 2009 Issue 45•43 OLYMPIA, WA …the ONION

“…Throughout the day, the number of protesters grew to include not just morons, but more than 6,000 nimrods, 3,500 dunderheads, and approximately 12,000 of the biggest fooking dipsh!ts known to man.”

In all, 75,000 of the simpletons turned out, though dozens were killed after walking out into traffic, and hundreds more were lost after wandering into nearby Trillium Park.

“I’m against things,” longtime North Carolina resident Pam Beucher said. “I’m for things.”

“America!” she added.

“I didn’t know Washington, D.C. had Seattle in it,” said Connecticut resident Kyle Hinton, an idiot. “Anyway, stop the war! No more hate! Swine flu! Iran! Pharmaceutical companies! Illegal immigrants! Never again!”

 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-10-26 10:44:11

How come you guys aren’t up in Chicago raging against MegaBank, leader of the debtTrapTiCON?

 
Comment by measton
2009-10-26 11:14:42

WASHINGTON (AP) — The head of the AFL-CIO said Monday he’s willing to consider a tax on high-end health insurance plans to help pay for President Barack Obama’s health care overhaul, as long as middle-class workers aren’t hurt.

Looks like more taxes on the middle and upper middle income. These taxes on good insurance plans will of course cause two things.

1. Insurers will increase the cost of their good plans, these costs will then be passed onto the worker via higher cost of insurance or lower pay.
2. Others will move to lower priced plans and be forced to pay higher deductibles and have lower caps on how much will get paid for.

A brilliant job of the elite getting the middle and upper middle class to pay for health care for the poor.

This of course will shift the total effective tax burden even more to the middle and upper middle class. The great thing is it won’t show up on the books as a tax so the middle and the upper middle class won’t recognize it. Similar to the inflation tax.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-10-26 14:27:36

I think the Health Care Industry knows that as the price of health care increases more and more people will simply opt out by no other
choice ,so no doubt they are trying to get mandatory compliance with health costs as they did with car insurance .

The Insurance Industry has gotten it’s way with the Politicians for so
long ,just as Wall Street and the Banks have . Look at how credit default swaps are a form of Insurance .The system is breaking the backs of the middle and upper middle class and the lower class just goes lower
also I guess . A strong middle class was built in this Country by laws and
policies that encouraged that strength ,often times this was the result of people fighting for this fairness . In just a 15 year period of time many of these laws have been undermined by Politicians passing laws in favor of certain Industries .

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 11:38:11

Man stuffs mouth with 16 cockroaches in record bid.
AP ~ Oct 25

LANSING, Mich. – A Michigan pet store employee got himself a mouthful of cockroaches — on purpose. The Lansing State Journal reported Sean Murphy on Friday stuffed 16 Madagascar hissing cockroaches into his mouth. He was trying to set a new Guinness World Records mark and said the old record was 11.

Murphy initially got 12 squirming cockroaches into his mouth, but then kept adding them until he got to 16. He says it was a “big surprise” since he’s never fit that many in his mouth before “in one try.”

The employee of Preuss Pets in Lansing says each cockroach was at least 2 1/2 inches long. Murphy says he might try for 20 next year.

Comment by Skip
2009-10-26 12:42:34

before“??

Comment by packman
2009-10-26 12:54:56

LOL - that’s one world record you really want to make sure you can beat, before you even try.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-26 13:22:39

LOL

BEfore? LOL

 
 
Comment by packman
2009-10-26 12:52:57

You know…

never mind.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-10-26 14:00:56

“Mmm, cockroaches!”

 
 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-10-26 11:45:48

***HBB Hip-Tip Investment Advisory Alert!***

“AP2:30 pm : The stock market is on track to log its fourth loss in five sessions. During that time the S&P 500 has fallen more than 2.5%. That’s actually its worst five-session performance since the beginning of September.

Though stocks remain mired in weakness, Treasuries have stayed out of favor. Even strong results for an auction of 5-year TIPS hasn’t induced buying in the 10-year Note. The benchmark Note is down 13 ticks, near session lows. Meanwhile, the 30-year Bond has shed one full point.”

Nota Bene: “Strong results for an auction” these days refers to the fact that at least 5 minutes elapsed before the Fed bought them back from the original bidders using money printed less than 5 minutes ago.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 11:55:55

Congress could try Jenny Craig route on debt.

Unable themselves to put government on a diet, Congress and Obama could go Jenny Craig route Monday October 26, 2009

WASHINGTON (AP) — If Congress can’t stop itself from spending the nation into everlasting debt, give the controls to somebody else.

Who says?

A sizeable number of senators themselves.

An unpopular but must-pass vote next month to let the government borrow almost $1 trillion has nine Senate Democrats saying enough is enough. Since Congress and the president lack the will to tighten their belts, maybe a commission can put them on a diet.

The thinking is that it’ll take such a task force — whose members would be drawn from Congress and the administration — to force people to roll up their sleeves, stop their political jabs, and come up with a bipartisan plan to try to keep the country from drowning in debt.

“Everything would be on the table. Social Security is on the table. Medicare is on the table. Revenues are on the table,” said Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., who with Sen. Kent Conrad, D-N.D., came up with the plan. “The key to it is that it has to be … absolutely fair and bipartisan.”

Conrad and Gregg are, respectively, the chairman and senior Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, one of the most partisan panels in all of Congress.

That they’re willing to hold hands and leap when even the most timid attempts to cut spending or raise revenues start street fights on Capitol Hill says something about the degree of the problem.

“When you’re dealing with something of this dimension it requires a special process,” Conrad says. “This is daunting and it’s going to take both sides coming together.”

The 16-member commission’s task would be to come up with a bipartisan plan to be submitted to Congress for a mandatory up-or-down vote. It would have eight Democrats and eight Republicans, but it would require 12 votes to agree upon a plan. It would also take 60 percent margins to pass the House and Senate.

Conrad points to the successful 1982 effort to shore up Social Security as the model for bipartisanship. The process is borrowed from the way politically hazardous decisions are made on which military bases to close: Congress votes up or down on the recommendations of a base closing commission.

As for all the promises that new “pay-as-you-go” budget rules would require lawmakers to make sure new spending and tax cuts wouldn’t swell the deficit, the reality has proven quite different.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-10-26 12:37:00

Better protect Uncle Buck lest your fat burgers disappear!

Iceland says goodbye to the Big Mac
By GUDJON HELGASON and JANE WARDELL (Associated Press Writers)
From Associated Press
October 26, 2009 2:39 PM EDT
REYKJAVIK, Iceland - The Big Mac, long a symbol of globalization, has become the latest victim of this tiny island nation’s overexposure to the world financial crisis.

Iceland’s three McDonald’s restaurants - all in the capital Reykjavik - will close next weekend, as the franchise owner gives in to falling profits caused by the collapse in the Icelandic krona.

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-10-26 12:39:21

No more Iceburgers - Micky D goes home.
Iceland says goodbye to the Big Mac:

By GUDJON HELGASON and JANE WARDELL, Associated Press Writers Gudjon Helgason And Jane Wardell, Associated Press Writers – 54 mins ago
REYKJAVIK, Iceland – The Big Mac, long a symbol of globalization, has become the latest victim of this tiny island nation’s overexposure to the world financial crisis.

Iceland’s three McDonald’s restaurants — all in the capital Reykjavik — will close next weekend, as the franchise owner gives in to falling profits caused by the collapse in the Icelandic krona.

“The economic situation has just made it too expensive for us,” Magnus Ogmundsson, the managing director of Lyst Hr., McDonald’s franchise holder in Iceland, told the Associated Press by telephone on Monday.

Lyst was bound by McDonald’s requirement that it import all the goods required for its restaurants — from packaging to meat and cheeses — from Germany.

Costs had doubled over the past year because of the fall in the krona and high import tariffs on imported goods, Ogmundsson said, making it impossible for the company to raise prices further and remain competitive with competitors that use locally sourced produce.

A Big Mac in Reykjavik already retails for 650 krona ($5.29). But the 20 percent increase needed to make a decent profit would have pushed that to 780 krona ($6.36), he said.

That would have made the Icelandic version of the burger the most expensive in the world, a title currently held jointly by Switzerland and Norway where it costs $5.75, according to The Economist magazine’s 2009 Big Mac index.

The decision to shutter the Icelandic franchise was taken in agreement with McDonald’s Inc., Ogmundsson said, after a review of several months.

McDonald’s, the world’s largest chain of hamburger fast food restaurants, arrived in Reykjavik in 1993 when the country was on an upward trajectory of wealth and expansion.

The first person to take a bite out of a Big Mac on the island was then Prime Minister David Oddsson. Oddsson went on to become governor of the country’s central bank, Sedlabanki, a position that he was forced out of by lawmakers earlier this year after a public outcry about his inability to prevent the financial crisis.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 13:14:47

Bank of America, Lenders Fall as Bove Sees Firm Still ’Chained’

Oct. 26 (Bloomberg) — Bank of America Corp. dropped as much as 7.1 percent in New York trading after Rochdale Securities LLC analyst Richard Bove said the lender will remain “chained” to the government and Moody’s Investors Service said the industry’s write-offs have equaled the Great Depression.

Bank of America, the biggest U.S. lender, fell 72 cents to $15.50 in 2:47 p.m. New York Stock Exchange composite trading. Synovus Financial Corp. led losers in the 24-company KBW Bank Index with a 12 percent plunge to $2.56. Fifth Third Bancorp’s 8.2 percent decline was the worst in the Standard & Poor’s 500.

Bove, who sent stocks reeling last week by downgrading Wells Fargo & Co. to “sell” from “neutral,” said in a new note the U.S. wants Bank of America to raise $45 billion in capital before repaying the Troubled Asset Relief Program. Selling new common stock would “meaningfully harm Bank of America’s shareholders,” he wrote, without changing his “buy” rating.

“It may be evident to the politicians just how good they have it with this company,” Bove wrote. “They can abuse it as much as they choose and get paid for doing so.” He cited $2.9 billion in annual TARP dividends from the Charlotte, North Carolina-based bank and warrants that increased in value. “Shareholders must stay chained to a government that only demonstrates ill will toward the organization,” he wrote.

Bove also downgraded Cincinnati-based Fifth Third, Atlanta’s SunTrust Banks Inc. and Minneapolis-based U.S. Bancorp. SunTrust fell as much as 6.7 percent, U.S. Bancorp dropped 3.8 percent and Fifth Third declined as much as 8.4 percent. Synovus is based in Columbus, Georgia, and Wells Fargo is based in San Francisco.

Loans Go Sour

The KBW Bank Index fell as much as 3.9 percent today, the biggest intraday decline since Oct. 1.

Bad loans at U.S. banks are running at a 2.9 percent yearly rate so far in 2009 and 3.4 percent annualized for the third quarter, Moody’s said in its weekly credit outlook. During the Great Depression, the rate peaked in 1934 at 3.4 percent, Moody’s said. Cumulative write-offs in 2009 reached $116 billion and will total $415 billion sometime next year, Moody’s said.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 18:50:26

According to the BBC Nightly Business news, the reason the US stock market sold off today was due to a rumor that the $8K first-time home buyer’s tax credit will be phased out. The guy they were interviewing went on to opine that not only is the $8K credit unlikely to be phased out, but it is likely to be roughly doubled.

I suppose the advocates of the $8K credit’s renewal can point to the stock market’s sensitivity to the mere rumor that it will end that it is essential for the economic recovery to renew the credit. If this reasoning is correct, then wouldn’t it be even better for the economic recovery to hand every American family say $16K with no strings attached? Economists will quickly point out that it is more beneficial to hand someone money with full discretion over how to spend it than to lock them into a decision to make a purchase that may not best serve their personal well being. Other than the fact that the REIC is a great source of campaign contributions, why is it better to earmark the tax credit towards new home purchases?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 18:54:07

* The Wall Street Journal
* OPINION
* OCTOBER 26, 2009, 6:45 P.M. ET

Is the U.S. Economy Turning Japanese?
Easy money from the Fed hasn’t translated into more consumer lending by banks.

By CHRISTOPHER WOOD

Happy days are here again in world stock markets. Yesterday’s profit-taking notwithstanding, the Dow Jones Industrial Average is flirting with 10000 and the S&P 500 is up 60% from its March low. Still, if risk-seeking behavior has returned to financial markets, much of it is funded by borrowing increasingly cheap U.S. dollars. There is also very little evidence, if any, that consumption and employment are really recovering in America.

With the U.S. government stepping in to keep markets from clearing, today’s U.S. economy in many ways resembles the post-bubble Japanese economy of the 1990s. Ultra-loose monetary policy and low demand for credit, combined with high unemployment and consumer deleveraging, could lead to a prolonged slump.

Consumption, which still accounts for 71% of total nominal GDP in America, is still weak, and there remains little reason to expect it to pick up in a healthy fashion. Aside from the well-known and related issues of high household debt and negative equity in houses, the latest U.S. employment data have highlighted the still dismal state of the job market. Average weekly earnings of production workers rose by only 0.7% year on year in September as the average number of weekly hours worked fell to a record low of 33 hours. This marks the lowest annualized weekly earnings growth since the data series began in 1964.

Meanwhile, there’s an unhealthy reliance on government for growth in America’s increasingly command-driven economy. This is clear from the severe slump in car sales post “cash for clunkers.” U.S. auto sales declined by 35% month on month in September to an annualized 9.2 million. It’s also clear from the enormous role now played by government in the residential mortgage market. Government-guaranteed mortgages accounted for 98% of total mortgage-backed security issuance in the third quarter.

The reality of an increasingly command-driven economy in America means that government policy is likely to become the key determinant of where investors should place their money. For example, the near-term prospects for the housing market in the U.S. will be strongly influenced by whether the federal government extends its first-time home-buyer tax credit when it expires in November. Like cash for clunkers with autos, the risk is that such a program is simply buying demand from the future.

The other risk is the same as subprime mortgages—encouraging people to buy houses who may be better off renting. This is suggested from the growing delinquency rates on Federal Housing Administration (FHA) approved loans since the FHA has taken over from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as the prime way of increasing U.S. taxpayer exposure to future residential mortgage defaults. The default rate on FHA-insured mortgages was already running at 8.1% in August, up from 5.7% a year ago.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 13:19:41

They’ll have to find another source of junk food…

Iceland’s McDonald’s restaurants to close.
Bloomberg 2009/10/26

The franchise holder said it doesn’t expect the situation to change in the short term.

“We would have to raise our prices by 20% to get the margin needed on our products,” Magnus Ogmundsson, Lyst chief executive officer, said in a phone interview. “That would have sent a Big Mac to 780 kronur ($6,36), compared with the 650 kronur it costs today, he said.

The island’s currency collapsed last year following the failure of Iceland’s biggest banks. Offshore, the krona slumped as much as 80% against the euro, while capital restrictions this year have failed to prevent an 8,1% decline, making the krona the second-worst performer of the 26 emerging-market currencies tracked by Bloomberg.

“Our competitors all use domestic meat and lettuce and so on, while we are flying in these materials, which is extremely expensive,” Ogmundsson said.

The most expensive Big Macs are sold in Switzerland and Norway, where the burger costs about $5,75, according to the Economist 2009 BigMac index. The cheapest are sold in S A, 1,68, and China, 1,83, the index shows.

McDonald’s, the world’s largest restaurant chain, opened its first store in Iceland in 1993. The first person on the island to consume a Big Mac was then Prime Minister David Oddsson, who later became governor of the central bank before his dismissal by the current ruling coalition earlier this year. The island has three McDonald’s restaurants, all of which will be closed.

The closure sparked a wide range of responses from bloggers on the island. Pall Vilhjalmsson said he was glad the stores were closing, calling the chain a “symbol of American colonialism” and that it has “terrorized food culture all over the world.” Hreinn Omar Smarason, said he will “miss Ronald McDonald,” adding he hopes the stores will return as soon as possible.

Iceland is relying on a $2,1bn loan from the International Monetary Fund to stay afloat after its three biggest banks collapsed having racked up debt more than 10 times the size of the economy. The central bank imposed capital restrictions at the end of last year to prevent a sell-off of the currency.

Comment by In Colorado
2009-10-26 15:46:49

In America he is the king, but in Iceland, he’s just a clown.

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-10-26 13:21:55

GOOD NEWS GOOD NEWS

WASHINGTON (AFP) – The market share of subprime US home mortgages, which caused the collapse of the housing market at the epicenter of the financial crisis, has returned to pre-crisis levels, a central bank report showed Monday.

But the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco study said nearly all of the loans were now owned or guaranteed by the government, which has pumped hundreds of billions of dollars to keep the market afloat.

Government-backed agencies Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Ginnie Mae “are providing unprecedented support to the housing market — owning or guaranteeing almost 95 percent of the new residential mortgage lending,” said John Krainer, a senior economist with the regional central bank who penned the report.

“This shift in mortgage finance has had a profound impact on the types of borrowers receiving loans,” he said.

The subprime market had shrunk to virtually zero percent in the first quarter of 2008 after triggering the housing collapse following defaults by borrowers.

Subprime borrowers, usually lacking good credit histories, find it nearly impossible to obtain mortgage loans from mainstream lenders.

Since the January-March period last year, “increased FHA (Federal Housing Administration) lending… has revived this segment of the market,” Krainer said.

“After plummeting in early 2008, the share of borrowers with FICO credit scores lower than 660 has returned to just higher than 20 percent, the same share as when subprime securitization peaked in 2006,” he said.

FICO is a company that developed a popular scoring system for assessing credit risk. Subprime loans are usually classified as those where the borrower has a FICO score below 660.

The report warned that recovery of the embattled housing industry will be slow amid a credit crunch that has persisted since the crisis.

Comment by packman
2009-10-26 13:45:08

The report warned that recovery of the embattled housing industry will be slow amid a credit crunch that has persisted since the crisis.

And now thanks to the F/F and the FHA - it’ll be even slower still. In fact, it may never recover.

Sigh.

I’m convinced now that there’s no way out of this mess, at all, aside from total economic breakdown. Only question is when. It seems like we’re now moving beyond the “Japan option”.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 16:19:29

“The report warned that recovery of the embattled housing industry will be slow amid a credit crunch that has persisted since the crisis.”

Translation: Given the unprecedented efforts of the government to prop up the real estate market, it will take years for home prices to correct to affordable levels in line with local incomes in markets where the bubble drove prices through the roof.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 14:24:57

*sigh* where are my posts?

Comment by DD
2009-10-26 14:36:10

where are my posts?

Didja look under your chair?, bed, behind the thingamagig?

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-10-26 14:36:58

“*sigh* where are my posts?”

Did you put sufficient postage on the envelope?

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-26 15:01:28

*sigh* where are my posts?

When you hear the hoof beats, you know its coming!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-10-26 15:09:38

You know, it’s always the last place you look, ain’t it? :lol:

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 14:27:31

Female CEOs’ pay fell more than men’s: survey.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Female chief executives earned just 58 percent of what their male counterparts did in 2008, and their compensation packages were slashed three times as much as their male peers, according to a survey released on Monday.

Corporate governance research firm the Corporate Library said total realized compensation — which includes base salary, bonuses, perquisites, benefits, and the value realized on the exercise of options and vesting of other equity — fell by a median of 18.5 percent in 2008 for female CEOs.

In the same period, the compensation of male CEOs fell 6.1 percent, the survey revealed.

Top female chief executives’ median base salary was $40,000 higher than that for male CEOs, but men’s’ discretionary bonuses were more than 3.5 times larger than those given to females, and men’s perquisite payments were nearly twice the amount received by women, the survey said.

Female CEOs earned on average 58 percent of what males earned in realized compensation, the Corporate Library said.

United Therapeutics Corp’s Martine Rothblatt was the only female CEO among the top 150 earners of 2008, with total compensation worth $21.8 million.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-26 14:54:29

Record NYC Real Estate Deal Now on the Rocks

NEW YORK (AP) — It was the most expensive real estate deal in U.S. history. Now, it’s poised to become one of the biggest flops.

At the height of the real estate boom in 2006, an investment group paid $5.4 billion for a gigantic Manhattan apartment complex with mostly rent-regulated apartments.

Now analysts say the group led by Tishman Speyer Properties and BlackRock Realty may be two to three months away from defaulting on its $3 billion mortgage.

The company had pursued a strategy to aggressively convert thousands of rent-regulated apartments at Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village into luxury units that would fetch top dollar.

But tenants fought back, conversions happened slower than expected and a state court ruled last week that the company improperly raised the rent for thousands.

So I wonder what is to happen to this property? Did all the original tenants ‘go away’ or where do all the units stand in terms of 1/3 sold, 1/4 rents or?? This was from yesterdays bits I think. But was interested via DJ to know where this great property was going to end up.

Comment by Skip
2009-10-26 15:22:37

There was some legal problems with them raising rents at the same time as receiving tax breaks.

Ooops.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-10-26 15:21:20

Vail Bets Recession Over as U.S. Ski Resorts Begin Recovery.

Oct. 26 (Bloomberg) — Vail Resorts Inc.’s season pass sales rose 13 percent in September as skiers eager for powder prepared to make tracks a year after the financial crisis.

“This year the economy is still struggling but there is more confidence that it’s not getting dramatically worse,” Robert Katz, chief executive officer of Vail Resorts, said in an interview. “The economic issues that we faced last year started right at the beginning of ski season and got worse until the end of the season.” The company operates five U.S. ski properties.

Resort operators are forecasting increases in bookings this season after the recession kept some snow lovers home last year. Lodging and slopes close to metropolitan areas such as New York, Denver and Los Angeles stand to benefit the most as residents stay closer to home, said Ralf Garrison, an analyst with the Denver-based Mountain Travel Research Program.

Bookings at ski resorts made in August for all future arrivals were up 2 percent year over year, Garrison said.

Starwood Hotels & Resorts Worldwide Inc., the third- largest U.S. lodging company, is also reporting an improvement at its ski resorts from last year, said K.C. Kavanagh, a company spokeswoman.

“We are seeing that travelers who did not ski last year are not willing to forego their trips again this year,” she said. “People are anxious to get back on the slopes.”

Rooms Filled

The company’s St. Regis Aspen Resort in Colorado, “is pacing better” than last year and rooms for the winter holidays are “close to being filled” at the soon-to-open St. Regis Deer Crest Resort in Utah, Kavanagh said.

Demand at the Dakota Mountain Lodge in Park City, Utah, part of Hilton Worldwide’s Waldorf Astoria collection, is “strong,” said Steve Lindburg, the general manager. Nightly rates for Christmas week range from about $800 for a one bedroom to about $6,000 for a four-bedroom suite.

Comment by measton
2009-10-26 15:25:39

This is not a business I would want to invest in.

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-26 16:05:01

season pass sales rose 13 percent

PERHAPS… it was because it is cheaper than a daily, so those who
think they are going skiing sometime this season decided to pay NOW for a cheaper ticket than last minute??? So, just cause it went up Now,
could mean that the dailies won’t come in as high as season progresses.

Just saying, some might be being frugal-ish.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2009-10-26 17:27:50

I agree. IIRC, the package of 5 resorts including Vail is pretty cheap entertainment. I remember in late 99-00 it was like $250 for a season pass, but maybe I’m mistaken. The daily rate is now, what $70+?

Comment by DD
2009-10-26 18:32:05

$250 for a season pass, but maybe I’m mistaken. The daily rate is now, what $70+?

So if they go one week, they get one day or 2 for free X lets say 4 ppl (how many in the family ski) and that is 8daysx $70.00 of savings. Then if they go skiing twice during the season..big savings. I am wondering if the daily pass buys are less by alot more than 13%.

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Comment by measton
2009-10-26 15:24:31

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Treasury Department and a senior House Democrat have decided against making financial firms pay upfront the costs of dismantling them if regulators decide they have grown “too big to fail,” according to a House aide familiar with the plan.

Instead, those companies would be allowed to borrow money from the government. The government would then recoup the costs by either seizing the firm’s profits or seeking restitution from the entire industry, the aide said.

So CEO gets to scoop up massive profits on gambling, no pressure to split firms, when gambling goes bad tohers will pick up the tab.

Yep business as usual.

 
Comment by jbunniii
2009-10-26 16:06:02

Sorry if this is old news - SFGate can be a bit behind the times these days as its staff seems to have shrunk to skeletal levels.

5 charged with torturing Calif. home loan agents

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/10/26/financial/f145705D39.DTL&tsp=1

“Prosecutors say five people have been charged in Los Angeles with torturing and robbing two men they thought falsely promised to save their home from foreclosure.”

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-10-26 16:25:22

A couple of things from work today.

1. A woman I know is closing this Friday on a house because she is pregnant

2. Some relatives of mine live in a neighborhood where one family owns 8 homes (they are big/waterfront). Word is they are all in foreclosure, but here is the snag: the family owns the mortgage company. Is this even possible/legal? What are the ramifications? My FIL thinks it’s a scam they’re working…

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 17:08:36

“Word is they are all in foreclosure, but here is the snag: the family owns the mortgage company.”

Perhaps this family will be one of the few which qualifies for both foreclosure relief and a mortgage lender bailout?

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2009-10-26 16:29:15

Lol, I just got an acceptance email from a Law School that had my numbers from LSAC.

It must be bad out there. :grin:

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 17:06:29

did it come with a partial money back guarantee…If you don’t get a $100K JOB after finishing our great fantastic law school we will forgive 50% of the debt…..

but you will have to declare the forgiveness as 1099 income (our hidden middle finger)!

 
Comment by DD
2009-10-26 18:34:16

wow.

I have been getting calls daily from some online school. I haven’t looked into anything for 2 yrs. Old list they are calling.

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-10-26 17:02:42

Has anyone heard from ATE-UP recently?

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 17:14:26

Hopefully he is working his butt off and redeeming himself…

Comment by bink
2009-10-26 19:15:23

Redeeming himself? What’d I miss?

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-10-26 20:15:13

I’m sure he said he quit his last job in a huff, and is going back to it.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2009-10-26 20:51:20

Participants in a $12.8 million loan program have yet to close on a single home
By KIMBERLY MILLER
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Sunday, October 25, 2009

Palm Beach County has $12.8 million in federal money to lend to home-buyers in an effort to decrease surplus housing.

But a well-intentioned catch has actually stymied sales with few contracts being signed and no homes yet purchased.

Only foreclosed, vacant and abandoned houses are eligible under the Neighborhood Stabilization Program, which garnered nearly 400 applications in the first two weeks it was advertised by the county in April.

The idea is to clean up neighborhoods ravaged by subprime loans. Buyers must choose homes in specific ZIP codes identified as high foreclosure areas.

Foreclosures, however, also attract investors, who are usually able to outbid people in the program. Under federal guidelines, the neighborhood stabilization loans are capped at 1 percent below the home’s appraised value.

“Every time I go to look at something, come to find out it’s already been bid on and is gone,” said Sharon Burgess, who has been approved for a $78,000 loan through the program and has been looking for more than a month. “I appreciate them giving me the opportunity to buy, but it’s been really difficult.”

The program gives a buyer just 45 days to sign a contract on a home. Burgess got an extension on her application, but worries she won’t find something by her new Dec. 4 deadline.

“After that, I’m afraid I won’t even be able to participate,” she said.

Nationally, $3.92 billion was made available in the Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 for the neighborhood stabilization program.

Palm Beach County was awarded $27.7 million. About $12.8 million is for individual home-buyer loans, $5 million is for cities or nonprofits to buy and restore foreclosed homes, and $7.5 million goes to buying properties that will be used as public facilities. The remaining money is for program oversight.

Counties have some leeway in how to use the money. Martin County, which received $3.5 million, is working with nonprofits such as Habitat for Humanity to distribute the loans. St. Lucie County, which received nearly $4 million, is providing money for down payments, closing costs and repairs, while also loaning to nonprofits and buying property itself to rehab.

Edward Lowery, director of Palm Beach County’s Department of Housing and Community Development, said he hopes to make loans to up to 125 people.

As of Friday, 68 applications had been approved by the county, but about 100 still need to be reviewed.

Of the 68 approvals, eight have signed contracts on homes, but no one has closed.

“Some of the problems finding a place are with the restrictive zip codes,” Lowery said. “Families would love to live in a particular area with schools and shopping, but they’re not in the approved zone.”

Keller Williams Realtor Yvonne Westerman is working with a few people in the program and managed to get contracts signed for two clients.

One wanted to live near Boynton Beach or Lake Worth, but ended up with a contract for a home in Riviera Beach.

“She said, ‘I’ll take anywhere, I have to find something,’ ” said Westerman about her client. “When the home is foreclosed, it’s cash only, or there are 25 offers in one hour and it’s sold in one day.”

Palm Beach County isn’t the only area struggling to get people into homes under the neighborhood stabilization program.

Armando Fana, director of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development’s Miami office, said a November meeting is scheduled for housing officials to speak with banks about how to open up the foreclosure market to average buyers.

“This is definitely a problem that we notice and acknowledge, but there isn’t a whole lot that can be done about it right now,” Fana said. “Some properties are being bundled up and sold to investors before they even make it to the market.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 21:48:48

‘Foreclosures, however, also attract investors, who are usually able to outbid people in the program. Under federal guidelines, the neighborhood stabilization loans are capped at 1 percent below the home’s appraised value.

“Every time I go to look at something, come to find out it’s already been bid on and is gone,” said Sharon Burgess, who has been approved for a $78,000 loan through the program and has been looking for more than a month. “I appreciate them giving me the opportunity to buy, but it’s been really difficult.”’

This is awesome! These investors are going to get wiped out when interest rates go up, the $8K first-time buyer tax credit expires, and the dollar strengthens next year. I can’t wait to ridicule them!!!

Experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other.

– Benjamin Franklin –

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 21:56:17

I’m thinking maybe Citigroup will generate the earthquake that provides the impulse for the next major financial tsunami?

Or is the risk fully contained, as “a closely watched pot never boils over”?

* The Wall Street Journal
* OCTOBER 27, 2009

Regulators Prepare for the Next ‘Big One’

By LAURENCE NORMAN and NATASHA BRERETON

LONDON — Global economic policy makers are just beginning to grapple with a key issue rising out of last year’s bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers Holdings: how to react if — or when — the next big global bank spins out of control.

While the furor over bankers’ bonuses has captured most of the headlines, policy makers are in the process of assigning each of the world’s 25 most complex international banks to a multinational crisis-management team to draw up contingency plans if they run into trouble.

But remarks from current and former officials underscore the major challenges such an effort will face. At the heart of the problem, said Harvey Pitt, who chaired the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission from 2001 to 2003, are “fundamental concerns about sovereignty.”

Those include the difficulty of precommitting taxpayer money in a crisis, and the multitude of national insolvency laws and resolution regimes that can make swift, unified action impossible.

The leaders of the Group of 20 advanced economies assigned the Financial Stability Board to carry out the work. Progress likely will be reviewed when G20 finance ministers and central bankers gather in Scotland next week.

The Lehman Brothers case was instructive. The bank, which collapsed in September 2008, had 2,985 legal entities in 50 countries, according to the Basel Committee of regulators and central bankers. When Lehman imploded, authorities around the world didn’t know which assets they could sell in a hurry, and markets panicked over worries about which institutions were exposed.

To avoid a repeat, the Basel Committee said in a report last month that banks should provide regulators with updated information on organizational structures, lists of counterparties, asset inventories for each legal entity and country, groupwide contingency funding plans and information needed to quickly settle financial contracts. Such plans have come to be known as “living wills.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 22:03:16

I suggest they end TARP, but roll out the new Comprehensive Relief for All Pissants = CRAP program.

* The Wall Street Journal
* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* OCTOBER 27, 2009

Rolling up the TARP
The $700 billion for banks has become an all-purpose bailout fund.

The Troubled Asset Relief Program will expire on December 31, unless Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner exercises his authority to extend it to next October. We hope he doesn’t. Historians will debate TARP’s role in ending the financial panic of 2008, but today there is little evidence that the government needs or can prudently manage what has evolved into a $700 billion all-purpose political bailout fund.

We supported TARP to deal with toxic bank assets and resolve failing banks as a resolution agency of the kind that worked with savings and loans in the 1980s. Some taxpayer money was needed beyond what the FDIC’s shrinking insurance fund had available. But TARP quickly became a Treasury tool to save failing institutions without imposing discipline (Citigroup) and even to force public capital onto banks that didn’t need it. This stigmatized all banks as taxpayer supplicants and is now evolving into an excuse for the Federal Reserve to micromanage compensation.

TARP was then redirected well beyond the financial system into $80 billion in “investments” for auto companies. These may never be repaid but served as a lever to abuse creditors and favor auto unions. TARP also bought preferred stock in struggling insurers Lincoln and Hartford, though insurance companies are not subject to bank runs and pose no “systemic risk.” They erode slowly as customers stop renewing policies.

TARP also became another fund for Congress to pay off the already heavily subsidized housing industry by financing home mortgage modifications. Not one cent of the $50 billion in TARP funds earmarked to modify home mortgages will be returned to the Treasury, says the Congressional Budget Office.

As of the end of September, Mr. Geithner was sitting on $317 billion of uncommitted TARP funds, thanks in part to bank repayments. But this sum isn’t the limit of his check-writing ability. Treasury considers TARP a “revolving fund.” If taxpayers are ever paid back by AIG, GM, Chrysler, Citigroup and the rest, Treasury believes it has the authority to spend that returned money on new adventures in housing or other parts of the economy.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-26 22:13:34

Paul B. Farrell

Oct. 27, 2009, 12:01 a.m. EDT

Goldman’s ‘Chainsaw Massacre’ Halloween party
Vote: Best costume from your favorite horror films worn by 23 celebrities

By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch

ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) — Yes, Halloween is a perfect holiday to commemorate how the Goldman Conspiracy and Wall Street’s other too-greedy-to-fail gangster banks have returned from the dead, like mummies, ghouls, zombies and vampires, rising out of their tombs, crypts, catacombs and mausoleums to suck the bloody retirement funds from the souls of living and unborn future generations.

Our inspiration for this commemorative celebration is Michael Jackson’s mind-blowing “Thriller.” And thanks to Hank Paulson, their Trojan Horse in Washington, the Goldman Conspiracy deserves center stage as the lead dancer and choreographer in Wall Street’s “Thriller” revival.
Small investors getting run over

Because markets trade on information, can the small investor ever hope to keep up with trading giants? Intelligent Investor columnist Jason Zweig says yes, but small investors should think long-term.

Notably, the other too-stupid-to-fail banks do some fabulous dancing in the chorus behind the Goldman Conspiracy, making 2009 one of the greatest in history for bonuses, as we all wait gleefully for a sequel to “Halloween,” “Friday the 13th,” “Curse of the Mummy” or “Night of the Living Dead.”

With all this excitement and thrilling anticipation, we propose to honor the return of the too-evil-to-die undead banks with the first ever “Goldman Conspiracy’s Halloween Chainsaw Massacre Costume Ball,” giving full recognition to Hank Paulson’s historic role in leading this bloody massacre of America and capitalism for Goldman and Wall Street. All set to the magical pounding beat of Michael Jackson’s “Thriller:”

It’s close to midnight and something evil’s lurking in the dark

Under the moonlight you see a sight that almost stops your heart

You try to scream but terror takes the sound before you make it

You start to freeze as horror looks you right between the eyes

You’re paralyzed

‘Cause this is thriller, thriller night

And no one’s gonna save you from the beast about strike

You know it’s thriller, thriller night

You’re fighting for your life inside a killer, thriller tonight

 
Comment by Mike in Carlsbad
2009-10-26 22:31:29

Click on my name for full SLATE Story.

The tax breaks that ate America

“Did I mention the home mortgage interest deduction? This costs the Treasury around $80 billion a year in lost tax revenue that must be paid for by other taxes if it is not to enlarge the deficit. This program, justified on the grounds that it promotes home ownership, in practice showers government subsidies chiefly on rich and upper-middle-class homeowners. Some countries like Canada that lack such a tax expenditure have higher rates of homeownership than the U.S.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-27 06:10:11

That sound you hear is the social fabric about to snap

The real unemployment rate is almost 20 percent. Here’s what the federal government can do about the jobs crisis

By Michael Lind

Read more: Democratic Party, Congress, Labor, Jobs, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Taxes, Opinion, Michael Lind

Unemployed people plea for aid in Seattle, circa the 1930s.

Oct. 19, 2009 | According to official statistics, the unemployment rate in the United States is now 9.8 percent. But those statistics understate the severity of the jobs crisis. The official statistics do not include the 875,000 Americans who have given up looking for work, even though they want jobs. When these “marginally attached” workers and part-time workers are added to the officially unemployed, the result, according to another, broader governement measure of unemployment known as “U-6,” is shocking. The United States has an unemployment rate of 17 percent.

And even this may understate the depth of the problem. By adding the 3.4 million Americans who want a job but have not looked for one in over a year, businessman, philanthropist and Obama advisor Leo Hindery Jr. infers an actual unemployment rate of 18.8 percent. In other words, nearly one in five Americans is unemployed or underemployed.

The sound you hear is the sound of the social fabric in America rotting and beginning to snap. Thanks to the unemployment insurance system adopted during the New Deal years, and thanks in part to the stimulus that the Obama administration and Congress passed earlier in the year, we do not have hordes of out-of-work Americans standing in line at soup kitchens and riding the rails from town to town. Even so, the invisible decay of America’s social order is just as real as the highly visible decay of abandoned McMansions in new developments that are turning into ghost towns across the continent.

Mass unemployment has yet to spawn a wave of crime or social unrest. But those possibilities cannot be dismissed. And the desperation is real, even if it is not signaled by desperate acts. The psychological toll of prolonged unemployment is devastating on individuals who have lost their roles as breadwinners or productive, self-reliant citizens. Employers prefer not to hire people who have been unemployed for long periods — and laid-off workers today are spending an average of 26.2 weeks without jobs, the highest average since the Great Depression. And then there are the new graduates of high schools and colleges, a lost generation whose members may be crippled throughout their careers by the lack of opportunities in their youth.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-27 06:22:49

It doesn’t matter if it’s a bad idea. What matters is not the marginal impact of the tax credit on the economic recovery, but rather the marginal effect of its renewal on Congressional campaign contributions from the NAR, the NAHB and other REIC constituents.

The home-buyer tax credit: Throwing good money after bad

By Simon Johnson and James Kwak
Tuesday, October 27, 2009; 12:20 AM

Congress and the administration seem likely to extend the first-time-home-buyer tax credit. Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid wants to extend it through December 2010 but phase out the amount over time; Republican Senator Johnny Isakson, a former real estate agent, wants to extend it through June but double the income limit and make it available to all home buyers.

This is a bad idea.

The main argument for the tax credit is that it stimulates the economy and stabilizes the housing market. Seen purely as a stimulus, the tax credit is highly inefficient. The National Association of Realtors claims that the credit created 350,000 new sales; the Calculated Risk blog calculates that this means the government is paying $43,000 for every extra house sold (since most sales would have happened anyway). According to the Wall Street Journal, Goldman Sachs estimates 200,000 new sales, implying a cost of $80,000 per marginal sale.

Even at a price of $43,000, what are we getting? Given that these are first-time home buyers, and given the glut of homes on the market, most of these are financial transactions where a house changes hands in exchange for cash (and additional transaction costs). The $43,000 is not being invested; it isn’t buying anything for the public, like a new road. It’s just cash going into people’s pockets.

Putting cash in pockets does have a stimulative effect because some of that cash will turn into consumption. But as far as stimulus measures go, it has a low multiplier (the ratio of new economic activity to stimulus spending). By contrast, we could take the same cash and hire more teachers, police officers or soldiers to fight in Afghanistan. We would get more economic activity, and the government would get something for its money.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-10-27 06:28:13

Would you rather rent a home in a nice neighborhood, or pay the same monthly nut to own one of the worst homes in one of the worst neighborhoods with the worst schools? LOL! This article is destined to become a classic:

…isn’t it just better for more people to own their homes? The conventional wisdom is that homeownership has positive externalities: Homeowners are more likely to invest in their communities, and it is the best way to build household wealth. But the evidence for this is mixed. In “Our Lot,” Alyssa Katz cites three academic studies and concludes: “Scholars found that once they set aside the various traits that tend to determine whether someone chooses to own or rent one’s home, homeowners and tenants really aren’t that different. . . . Often the new homebuyers were purchasing the worst housing in the worst neighborhoods with the worst schools — hardly a solid investment.”

 
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