Bits Bucket For November 4, 2009
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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Apology to Stpn2me:
I am sorry I railed against you while I am mad at the hijacking of our congress by the big corporations who profit from war and dictate the direction we are going in as a country. Be Safe! Anything I can do t help please post here and I will try. Happy Holidays to you and your men. You all
are good soldiers acting on orders and info fed to you.
Hooah!
No offense taken. Continue to exercise your right to speak!
I once heard someone on this board say we pillowfight…that’s what I would call it .
Actually,
This board has all but convinced me not to buy a house right now. When I get home, I plan to detail out the fayetteville area. Too many of my troops have the “it’s different here” attitude…
My wife’s hairdresser (in San Diego) has a military husband who has served multiple tours of duty in Iraq. The last time she cut my hair (a couple of years ago — maybe in 2006), she was “moonlighting” as a real estate investor, and she told me they (she and hubby) were thinking about buying investment property around Fayetteville.
This is what I call a 21st version of the famous “shoe-shine boy story” associated with various Wall Street tycoons of the Roaring 20’s era (e.g. Joseph Kennedy): When your wife’s hairdresser is investing in houses, it is time to sell all your investment properties. (Luckily, we had none to sell at the time…)
“…buying investment property around Fayetteville”
Fayetteville = pawn shop city & quite a number of folks with short haircuts.
Heck I lived in military towns, cant forget the $100 down payment at Vinnys used really used cars and his Brother Manny owns the usury finance company next door…of course with military ID.
Oh the Rent to own places too…lets just take you to court and attach your pay check…
Fayetteville = “WalMart is us.”
“cant forget the $100 down payment at Vinnys used really used cars and his Brother Manny owns the usury finance company next door…of course with military ID.”
Bad credit? No credit? E-1 and up!
I found some random documentary about American debt (I’ll get title.) I was floored when it started out at a Church in Norfolk, VA. It talks about credit card debt, and housing bubble. Then it ends back up in Norfolk, VA showing all of the check cashing places and rent to own stores that prey on the military. We have them that will ONLY do business with Gov’t employees/E1 and up. I recognized a number of the places in the video. Good stuff. I’ll look up the title when I get home. Creator was from NYC I think.
Isn’t there a big Goodyear plant in Fayetteville?
Fayetteville = “WalMart is us.”
Fayetteville AR != Fayetteville NC
(assuming I’m even spelling them both correctly).
Then it ends back up in Norfolk, VA showing all of the check cashing places and rent to own stores that prey on the military.
I see you’ve bought into the whole MSM “prey” mantra.
It’s not preying. Preying is when an animal that doesn’t want to get hunted, gets hunted and caught (and usually killed). I’m pretty sure that the owners of these stores don’t actually break into people’s homes and force them to borrow money; that instead the borrowers actively drive/walk into the stores to borrow money.
The military is composed mostly of young males that are single or newly married. What’s the segment of the population most likely to be in debt, and with a poor credit record? Young males that are single or newly married.
The check cashing stores serve a market. It makes perfect sense for them to be prevalent near military bases.
“It’s not preying. Preying is when an animal that doesn’t want to get hunted, gets hunted and caught”
A more apt description would be parasitism.
A more apt description would be parasitism.
Well, except hosts don’t usually seek out parasites either.
I think the documentary maker read “Credit Card Nation.” He touched on the thing about there not being any banks in the lower income areas, but lots of check cashing stores. And of course, some of the check cashing stores are backed by the big banks.
Okay, I take back the prey. They are there for all the dumb military people, the same ones that are easily given big loans, that in turn have bid the housing market into the stratosphere.
Is that better?
You don’t have to live near a military base to have check cashing stores.
They may present a service but they usually crop up when a town has many poor who never seem to catch up. it is like a never ending spiral downward. They lend you cash against your check and if you don’t have all of the money they roll it forward into the next month.
My mother lives down in Danville VA, where I grew up, and although it is a town of around 40,000 (with a lot of those outside city limits - annexation at its best) they have at least 15 check cashing stores in town.
It seems that any place with the combined will attract them;
High unemployment, high immigrant population, and general desperate conditions work wise.
Danville’s unemployment is 11.9% and nearby Martinville’s is even higher.
It is funny as there have always been poor people in Danville when I was growing up, but they had jobs at the local mill and many stores would accept/cash their paychecks as long as they spent some of the money at the establishment no fees. Now of course the Mill is long gone along with all the decent jobs and PayDay loan stores are prevalent as are their high fees.
I work in Northern VA now with a lot of retired military and they all tell me the same thing. The military is really up in your business and the payday loan stores know it so only deal with the military IDs because they know that if you get in trouble with a payday loan store they will call your First Shirt (first sergeant) and you will be in trouble.
They also told me all military bases are littered with the stores as up to 1 in 5 military familes have to use them to make ends meet. you may not believe it but there are full time military that have to take 2nd jobs to make ends meet. (especially if you don’t get housing for your family right away.)
Just a few years ago there was a bill (AB1965) which was supposed to help deployed National Guard soldiers defer the interest while deployed but didn’t provide any relief for full time military personnel.
They wanted the bill to cap the highest interest rate charged to 36% instead of the current limit of 459%.
I am in no way trying to absolve adults of responsibilities, but some services are more deceptive than they appear.
“…The check cashing stores serve a market. It makes perfect sense for them to be prevalent near military bases.”
There’s them words again: “American” “Bidnessman” “Ethical” “Fellow Citizen” “Opportunity”
No check cashing stores in RM, PD, none in IW. Only ones are in Indio,CC, Coachella, all low income town/cities.
BTW,
I wonder how much in military area’s the Basic Allowance for Housing (BAH) has on rents. Most landlords know the military gives us a set amount for rent.
Picerne(sp?) is our landlord on post and they get 100% of my BAH for the house I live in now.
Step,
My huband and I were active duty. When we went to look for places to rent, he would go in his uniform and I wore civies.
On the application, we would use his income and N/A mine.
Back in the day, it worked like a charm!
We were taught to do this by another married USAF couple - they alleged when they showed her income the rents were inflated (not sure how true this is but why tamper with an unknown).
Best,
Leigh
“On the application, we would use his income and N/A mine.’
What the term SOP? You’re married, you both have a fico & x3 credit reporting “corporations” …that kinda, sorta, list some information about you own persons.
Hwy,
Think back to the early-mid 80’s.
The little lady in civilian clothes = stay at home wifey in many minds of the landlords of the day - on the arm of her uniformed hubby.
FICOs were not as…er…um…popular.
Leigh
I think it wasn’t until the Equal Credit Opportunity Act of 1979 that married women really had separate credit histories.
Credit Scores (FICO & Advantage) don’t factor in employment. IIRC, it’s a federal law, since you can’t discriminate on *welfare, disibility, or such income for a mortgage. It’s about a responsible payment history and credit availability use.
Skip, I believe you’re right.
*Acceptance of welfare payments for a mortgage has always raised my bp.
Actually, Stpn2me, you should think about buying an investment property when the time comes. Sounds like you are saving a lot. From what I see, when military folks buy owner-occupied houses they get screwed because they move so frequently. With investment real estate crashing, it could be a good time to buy an apartment house or duplex in a year or two. But only when prices bottom.
And of course when you retire from the service…
With investment real estate crashing, it could be a good time to buy an apartment house or duplex in a year or two. But only when prices bottom.
Sounds like you are saving a lot.
I have been buying gold coins and I am investing in a gold fund. Although I think I will sell the gold coins. Plus I am paying down revolving debt. I am still shaky with investing in realestate, I dont trust it. I just need somewhere to live..
REHobbyist,
So true. Right now I’m helping a 25 y.o Guard member through his short sale. He’s become quite concerned as it looks like it will ride through the process without a single offer.
What’s sad is that one of the -few- ways mil. members could rise above their upbringing was to buy a home wherever they were stationed and then retain them as rentals to supp. their ( then ) modest pensions.
This from an era when there was parity between rents/PITI. Now they’re all caught w/ their pants down! I mean after all, it worked for ‘dad’?
‘Course alot depends on one’s MOS and the amount of moving associated with it. One friend spend almost her entire 20 years at one post because she had a rare job: harp player.
Jim A,
The Navy used to call them “homesteaders” and it was very much frowned upon! ( Unless of course you were a Chief and then it was pretty much a ‘right’ )
I ‘may’ have held the record for being stationed in the Philippines ( for Ops ) at nearly 4 years. Some guys longer but were in sqdns. that deployed elsewhere for upwards of 6 mos. a year.
Rented from a Navy guy in VaBeach. HORRIBLE. Guy did nothing to keep up the property, had no money to fix big things, stole security deposit at the end. Sold it for over two times purchase price at peak of bubble, having owned it maybe 7 or 8 years.
I’m sure the BAH will allow military folks coming to Maryland because of BRAC to buy $500,000+ houses, right?
Or, maybe not! It’s “different here” only because of the level of delusion in the local sellers.
The landlords track the BAH exactly. In my area rents would go up, BAH goes up, rents go up, BAH went up. Finally the Navy held back and it stopped the rent increases. But it’ll cost you $1100-$1200/mo for a decent apartment in an area with median household income of $35K now.
I wonder if part of the need your troops have to buy a home has anything to do with the need for a little more stability in their lives that they have right now.
A young family, father, 7 tours in Iraq, medically retired, wife and daughter moved here and bought a house and moved in last week. The home burned down Monday when
they took their daughter to school. FD couldn’t
save a thing.
Rancher,
If you could call the Public Affairs Officer at K’ Falls I’m sure it would be greatly appreciated. A lot of times mil. members aren’t exactly forthcoming w/ their problems ( Tell it to the Chaplain! )
At the very least we can pass the hat, but even ‘that’ can’t happen if the Base doesn’t know about it?
Man, I hope they had their insurance with USAA.
No, it’s all about flippin’ em. Make no mistake, military folks are well paid given their jobs. In many cases far exceed pay of private jobs. Nice sized housing allowances if they can get it, loans just for them. In a Navy area, the whole town kisses feet even though police have a higher risk job. Half off prices, etc.
I attribute our insane bubble prices to the Navy home buyers. I think they make up lots of who’s spending whatever wherever and running up the prices. They make the rents high with housing allowances too.
“Make no mistake, military folks are well paid given their jobs. In many cases far exceed pay of private jobs.”
This is most probably very far from the truth.
This is most probably very far from the truth.
Do you think that’s true for officers?
I really don’t know for sure. Dated a woman who was an officer. Sounded like she made good money for having a degree, though her job didn’t really require the knowledge from the degree (she was the training officer while I dated her). Sounded like she got a nice housing allowance, which was upped due to her being married (hush hush - the divorce was almost finalized when we started dating).
Sounds like a good gig to me, all things considered. I couldn’t do it - too many issues with authority, blindly following, etc - but for the skillset required, it sounded like she was paid quite well. And then there’s the pension after 20 years…
I’ll put it in terms of the ship I was attached to. In ‘08, a Navy 0-6 with 10 years in made 66K base. (I’m not sure what percentage of Navy officers make it to 0-6 in 10 years!) Add 7K annually for sea pay and aviation pay. Add another 15 for dependant housing allowance. That’s, oh, 88K for a guy who is responsible for a minimum of a warship, and 600 subordinates. When on a cruise you can add the responsibility for at least another 1,000 Marines and a helo squadron.
This is most probably very far from the truth.
It IS very far…especially for lower ranks in high cost areas.
even though police have a higher risk job.
I might call BS on that too. At least they can go home at night. I havent seen my wife for a straight six months for about four years..
Of my 16+ years on active duty, 9 of them have been overseas for one year tours. During the boom years of IT, the military had a hard time recruiting. They tried to sell the military as 9 to 5. Then 911 hit and the game changed. Now if you dont have a combat patch on your right shoulder, everyone asks where you have been hiding. HRC makes a point now to find those who dont have combat time to try and give those with multiple deployments some rest. Most police have 12 hr shifts, at least they know they can go home or quit if they want without getting a felony on their record…in the 82nd, we are on a 2 hour recall, be anywhere in the world in 24 hrs ready to fight. Imagine how you feel everytime the phone rings wondering if you will get that call. The military puts you through alot of mental stress civilians cant contemplate. Add to that not being able to say no to any mission and it can suck sometimes. You have to really love it or else it can take a toll on you.
Not to flame anyone, but I find those who complain about military benefits are usually those who havent served. Rest assured we have earned every dime. Just the “not being able to say no” to any mission is worth what we are paid. Can you imagine how much it costs to get a civilian to come here in afghan and do our jobs if they were not in the military? But then again, that’s why they call this selfless service.
I will say housing is a good deal. Sometimes on post housing can get on your nerves, but overall, I am glad I am still renting. I retire here soon, so you are correct in that I am looking to buy for the house we will put down roots in. It just so hard when someone is trying to get “equity” out of an overpriced shack. I refuse to get someone out from underwater and be underwater myself. When me and the wife were looking at houses before I came here, I had one house debt laden person ask me why I wouldnt pay what he was asking (I think I offered $20,000 lower), I said “What, so I can be underwater like you?”. Negotiations didnt go very well after that. I didnt buy the house and my wife says it’s still for sale..
Met a young lady who did 8 yrs in San Diego as dental assistant. 1 -7yo,1-3yo,1 in oven. Was so happy(couldn’t stop talking-nice lady tho)she was getting paid her housing alotment, and to get her dental hygienist deg. so she had noooooo $$ problems at all. This lady tells me that she when she is licensed dental hygienist working on base as a civilian she will be making $125.00 per hr. She is loving her life for sure.
Did I forget to mention she did her entire 8 yr stint in the treacherous San Diego,CA and is getting her housing and school paid for ?
According to her, her 8 yrs in SD were just terrific.
Still wanted to be in the military ” it was so easy”. wth.
“Can you imagine how much it costs to get a civilian to come here in afghan and do our jobs if they were not in the military?”
Good way to put it into perspective. Military life doesn’t seem much different than when I served my two years during the ’60s, except (a big “except”) for the current never-ending deployments to combat zones. I don’t know of any civilian jobs where your employer owns you 24/7. If you work seven days a week, you don’t get a dime more pay, that I know of. Yep, it costs a whole lotta money to hire civilians to serve in no-dependents areas that military are assigned to regularly.
Step:
This is the whole point you volunteered .. lots of guys from ‘nam didnt…(draft)
I wonder how you would or your parents would have felt in ‘70 if you had very little choice in the matter….Except maybe run to Canada or force yourself into college
I saw older people on my street were forced to go, and were never same afterwards
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Add to that not being able to say no to any mission and it can suck sometimes. You have to really love it or else it can take a toll on you.
Dude, if you’re not going to be home, don’t get married. All these people “Oh it’s so hard cause I got married and had kids while I’m away all the time.”
Of course, my Navy neighbor. Got girl 2 preggo while dating 1, so 2 says she is preggo also. Dude blows it off with 2, then 1 says she has miscarriage while 2 has hooked up with someone else already, but he’s still responsible for the kid, etc.
Also, you forgot education benefits and retirement benefits. Civilian gets what?
DNA test or no checks tramp…..
“Civilian gets what?”
Scholarships, employer tuition assistance, and the ability to save and invest their money in whatever way they choose in order to finance their post-employment lives?
It’s pretty simple, really. If military jobs are so good and the pay and bennies are so great, go out and get one.
“It’s pretty simple, really. If military jobs are so good and the pay and bennies are so great, go out and get one.”
The thing is the payoff doesn’t come for a long time. After 20 years, the pension kicks in and that’s when the gravy startsJoin at 22, retire at 42. Get pension. Get full benefits. Then call old Captain buddy who gets you a job at a defense contractor as a “consultant” and work for 20 more years as a consultant earning $150K+ the pension.
Only thing is you have to put up with the 20 years and that whole might get shot at thing. To me, still not worth it.
Continue to exercise your right to speak!
Is that an order?
“Too many of my troops have the “it’s different here” attitude…”
Ahem………You mean Airmen?
Why harass a guy that’s deployed regardless of what branch he’s in? Even if he’s got a cushy gig he’s doing a lot more than I am right now…and I’ve seen AF guys supporting the Army in the field who definitely didn’t have it easy.
And since I’m on the subject, whoever it was that was on Step’s case about using the term “lower enlisted”, you DO know that’s a common term for all non-NCO enlisted folks, right? It wasn’t any sort of insult to anyone.
I just don’t see any reason for people giving him a hard time…and I tend to be biased against officers :-).
Your wife will be so happy to see you home, she may just forgive you for not buying that house!
“Health “Insurance”: A Criminal Enterprise”
The principle behind traditional insurance is the distribution of risk….This “pooling of risk” is a staple of most high school economics classes.
However, health “insurance” does not follow this model, because, over the course of time, nearly all of us will suffer the bodily ills that cause us to draw funds from the collective till. So what we are doing, by paying for private insurance, is having a third party manage our healthcare dollars for us until we’re ready to use them. In return, this third party banks the interest and skims a profit off the top, employing an army of paper-pushing middlemen to manage our contributions. The very act of calling these healthcare middlemen “insurers” buys into the false belief that Aetna and Oxford are protecting us against rare occurrences, rather than merely serving as money-managers of our healthcare dollars. (They only provide true “insurance” in cases of catastrophic care for the young, a small and increasingly shrinking portion of healthcare expenditures.) Yet once consumers view these corporations merely as money managers, few sane people would ever invest at interest rates of zero for such low payouts at term.
The system I have described would be cause enough for the government to ban private insurance and replace it with a publicly-run plan. Unfortunately, the economic structure of the system is not nearly as nefarious in theory as it is in practice. Most people in this country who do have private health insurance are happy with their coverage — until they actually attempt to use it. Once they face a medical emergency, however, they soon discover that the unspoken policy of many insurers is to deny as many claims as possible, often on legally and medically implausible grounds, until the patient or his family give up.
Jacob M. Appel: Bioethicist and medical historian
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jacob-m-appel/health-insurance-a-crimin_b_341448.html
Golly…
“They only provide true “insurance” in cases of catastrophic care for the young, a small and increasingly shrinking portion of healthcare expenditures.”
having three or four kids will probably get you to break even too.
The principle of traditional insurance is the distribution of risk.”
From the insured’s point of view, the principle of traditional insurance is the PASSING ON of risk. Those who cannot afford to take a risk pass the risk on, for a fee, to someone who CAN afford to take the risk.
+ 1 combo…
The very act of calling these healthcare middlemen “insurers” buys into the false belief that Aetna and Oxford are protecting us against rare occurrences, rather than merely serving as money-managers of our healthcare dollars.
Indeed the concept of insurance has been blurred with that of budgeting for routine expenses by many health plans. However, this does not make them criminal enterprises. The biggest problem is the entitlement mentality of many people that makes them think God or the Government or their employers or just Someone Else [fill in the blank] is supposed to give them free stuff.
The biggest problem is the entitlement mentality of many banks and insurance companies that makes them think God or the Government or their customers or just Someone Else [fill in the blank] is supposed to give them free money.
See how that works?
RIO …I was shocked when I found out that they had Insurance Company Shills at the Hospital posing as Social Workers trying to get you to go
for a cheaper put off until another day type medical care . The power these shills have is unreal . I talked to a lot of families at the hospital who were there the second and third time because they got put off care
before that caused them to have to come back .
As I have stated before ,the Insurance Company was dicking around
trying to figure out how to cheap out when my spouse ended up getting hospital infections by being exposed , Like I have said before ,I had good insurance ,but this was a liability to them . Those jerks were penny wise and pound foolish because they ended up spending mucho bucks fighting
the hospital germs for 8 or 9 weeks . In the end they loss the patient .
The Insurance Companies want other peoples money to invest ,so if they can put off shelling out money than they make more .
HW,
That is a good example of how wrong the system has become.
I’m so sorry for your and your family’s loss…
Is anyone out there in gambling land still shorting these black dog builder stocks? The handwriting on the wall ought to be pretty clear by now: Even with Dough-4-Dumps and the Fed pinning mortgage rates to the mat, they are still hemorrhaging losses. How are they going to look once mortgage rates revert to historic norms, there are no more first-time home buyers left and the
first-timehome buyer tax credit is finally phased out?Oh, sorry, I forgot that is where the green shoots will kick in and people will start flipping homes like hot cakes once again to ward off the bad case of inflation heebie-jeebies the Fed gave them.
* The Wall Street Journal
* REAL ESTATE
* NOVEMBER 4, 2009, 7:51 A.M. ET
Pulte Posts Loss on Centex Charges
By KEVIN KINGSBURY
Pulte Homes Inc.’s third-quarter loss widened due to costs related to its acquisition of Centex while orders jumped 35% from last year amid the deal.
Shares rose 1.3% premarket to $9.35.
The deal, which closed in August, created the largest home builder in the U.S. and may kick off a consolidation wave in the beaten-down industry.
Pulte reported a loss of $361.4 million, or $1.15 a share, compared with a year-earlier loss of $280.4 million, or $1.11 a share. The latest results included $163.8 million in impairment and land-related charges and $86.7 million in Centex-related charges. The prior year had $266.6 million in write-downs and land charges.
Home-building revenue dropped 31% to $1.06 billion as closings declined 23% and the average selling price fell 10%.
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I see green sh@ts!!!!!!!!!
Personally I prefer vodka shots
“…How are they going to look once mortgage rates revert to historic norms,”
Geez Mr. Bear what good timing you have! (Hwy pours his first cup of joe)
I also see a TBTF homebuilding company. Great job, regulators.
Is this part of the govt’s “affordable housing” policy?
In case anyone has a copy of the Rogoff/Reinhart book handy, could you please check quickly whether governments reacted in previous bubble collapses to attempt to prop up asset prices? If so, how did it work out for them?
November 3, 2009 2:36 PM
Feds Try To Prop Up Home Prices, $729,750 At A Time
Posted by Declan McCullagh
(AP Photo/Nick Ut)
commentary
Never mind the debate about whether to prop up the U.S. housing market by extending the $8,000 home-buying tax credit. (See related CBS News video about the credit, which is scheduled to expire on December 1.)
A more important housing subsidy has already snuck into law without many people noticing. Last Thursday, President Obama signed legislation, H.R.2996, that was billed as providing funding for the Forest Service and the Indian Health Service and temporary cash for the rest of the government. It also extended, substantially, the federal government’s support for higher housing prices for another year.
You won’t see any mention of housing policy in the Congress’ official summary or the White House’s announcement that Obama had signed the measure. But if you look carefully, you’ll find it buried in the middle of the 31,332-word bill (which can claim the dubious virtue of topping out at over 1,000 words longer than George Orwell’s novel Animal Farm).
If Congress had done nothing, the maximum government-backed loan for a house or condo in the continental United States would have dropped from $729,750 to $625,500 on January 1, 2010. Other loans — known as “non-conforming” loans — would still be available, but they’d be more expensive. TotalMortgage.com, for instance, puts the difference at around 1.1 percentage points as of this week.
It’s true that the extension applies mostly to coastal areas (and it’s even higher in Alaska, Guam, Hawaii, and the Virgin Islands), deemed sufficiently “high cost” to exceed the normal $417,000 limit. Home-buyers in the wastelands of Detroit, where you can buy houses for a few thousand dollars, won’t be affected. Not so ones in Washington, D.C., New York, Boston, and San Francisco.
Nevertheless, letting the maximum loan amount fall back to normal levels would have been wise. First, it would reduce the cost of any possible future taxpayer-funded bailout if housing prices continue to fall.
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I frankly don’t get the point of the above article. How does keeping the “affordable housing limit” at a ludicrously rich $729,750 constitute a housing subsidy?
“…maximum government-backed loan for a house or condo in the continental United States”
there you go.
“Maximum government-backed” doesn’t really help those with no money buy $700,000+ homes the way it did circa 2005, or does it?
We will never forget the story (posted and reposted here quite often) of the Central Valley ag worker whose $30,000 annual hh income some how qualified him for a $700,000 “liar loan” mortgage, circa 2005. Are you suggesting this is still going on?
I thought these practices went the way of Countrywide, New Century, Ameriquest, IndyMac, and Wall Street’s subprime mortgage lending kingpins’ subprime securitization racket, but please post contradictory evidence if you have any.
Keeping the 3.5% down option available for the coasts. Also allows the FHA to purchase those loans.
My guess is there isn’t a secondary market for loans with out 20% down and certainly not above 300K.
So, if the FHA stops buying then the banks stop issuing them.
On yesterdays remark in illiquid market. Not sure I totally agree. If you have a bunch of bonds you expected to hold to maturity and they are very high value, but are forced to liquidate due to mark to market to raise cash. You might have an argument that there is a liquidity problem. Still mostly about banks over valuing bad assets and looking to cash in on govt money.
james,
Did you perhaps mean “and they are very high ‘quality’ ”
Vice, ‘value’? Couched in those terms, the statement makes sense. Unfortunately, Feb. of ‘08 was a slaughter for Muni’s that essentially -became- illiquid after HF’s ( that had been using them as a sub. for cash/mmkt. ) were forced to liquidate in concert and no one knew where the Bid was?
It can and ‘does’ happen.
“It can and ‘does’ happen.”
Especially when rules are put in place to discourage shorting.
I think I was looking at an MBS valued at 100M or more.
Price and quality.
So, the market for those kind of securities is much smaller and only major bond players have the money to make purchases. If there was a flood of securities for sale then it would be likely the bond market couldn’t absorb them at a fair price.
On price:
When we talked of mark to market and getting away from level three assets that were marked to model, it wasn’t very clear what kind of model these guys were using.
I had something like why not use yield compared to a treasury and ignore valuation on collateral but that is clearly too simple as the yield can fluctuate wildly with defaults. However, you could always chalk that up in some kind of risk premium.
“My guess is there isn’t a secondary market for loans with out 20% down and certainly not above 300K.”
Why wouldn’t private lenders be willing to loan above $300K if it were financially prudent to do so?
Because it’s a much safer bet to borrow at 0% from the fed and lend at 3.4% to the treasury.
Good morning Bear,
Oh, I think we both know the answer to this. It isn’t prudent to do so.
The only reason this continues is to create another bailout for the bankers as the FHA writes derivatives, or insurance, on the mortgages.
Another bailout for the rich courtesy of Dodd, Obama and Frank. This one is all on the democrats that controlled congress and senate when it happened.
I see prices sticking in the 720K+ some percentage in the beach regions. Sigh. This will drag out for a long long while.
Again, James. 40+/- of dems in CONgress are dino’s, CorporateDems ie: always vote republican/corporate. So, except for many unethical dishonest republicans and dems as well as spineless, self serving they do not have control of the house. EOS.
That money would just barely get you into a 40-50 year old starer home (aka blue collar) in Greenwich CT back in ‘99
Did you know Darien CT has no rental apartments except for a handful grandfathered in right near the train station? Yes no 2+ families houses are allowed to be built…only condos
deemed sufficiently “high cost” to exceed the normal $417,000 limit.
“Last Thursday, President Obama signed legislation, H.R.2996, that was billed as providing funding for the Forest Service and the Indian Health Service and temporary cash for the rest of the government. It also extended, substantially, the federal government’s support for higher housing prices for another year.”
hope…change…more transparent government…yada…yada…yada.
Wait until they try to push through H.A.P.P.Y. on some emergency war funding bill.
lol…and what would that stand for?
Humans and Pets Partnered through the Years.
Up to $3,500/yr. tax credit for pet expenses. No kidding.
Seems like everyone who didn’t get a pony or had their heart broken once has their hand out to Uncle Sam.
Seems like everyone who didn’t get a pony or had their heart broken once has their hand out to Uncle Sam.
Hey, I don’t have my hand out, but if folks get a tax *credit* for their dependent sprog, plus the deduction for a dependent, plus being able to file as HOH, I’ll take a deduction for my rescued dogs. Even the playing field a little.
“Year of What The –”
Was it the F-word they left out? Oh yeah — The Fed!
The Daily Walk of Shame: The Fed
By Alyce Lomax
November 3, 2009
This Motley Fool series examines things that just aren’t right in the world of finance and investing. Here’s what’s got us riled today. If something’s bugging you, too — and we suspect it is — go ahead and unload in the comments section below.
Today’s subject: Last year’s “Autumn of the Massive Collective Pants-Soiling” heralded what I like to call the ensuing “Year of What The –” … well, suffice to say, the Fool frowns on publishing certain words.
Much of the blame for our economic crisis can be pinned on the Federal Reserve’s monetary policies. Even worse, the “cure” for an ailing economy always seems strikingly similar to what caused the problems to begin with, at least according to the Fed. That means our problems aren’t over by a long shot.
Why you should be indignant: Way before Ben Bernanke came along, former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan’s low interest rates, left in place too long, fed the frenzy of borrowing that fueled the housing bubble.
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Pumped up by low interest rates, our overinflated economy lifted homebuilders such as Toll Brothers (NYSE: TOL) and high-profile mortgage lending monstrosities like Countrywide. People were thrilled with the inflated “values” of their homes — never mind whether their meteoric rise made any real sense. They bought into the red-hot real estate market with interest-only loans and other exotic vehicles, then used their homes as ATMs to finance bling, trips, fancy cars, and more. The ripple effects expanded throughout the economy as greed, myopia, and rampant consumerism took hold. Too many people realized it was fun to spend way above their means; everything went “up,” and the piper seemed to go unpaid.
This manic mentality was even worse in the housing market, yielding flawed financial models that never bothered to account for a fall in housing prices or other negative possibilities. I guess it wasn’t convenient or pleasant for many to think too hard about economic realities. As last fall amply proved, it was even less pleasant to live through them.
In the wake of the collapse, some financial companies have gone bust or been swallowed up by rivals. Bank of America (NYSE: BAC), Citigroup (NYSE: C), Wells Fargo (NYSE: WFC) and many others took a shot of taxpayer money to stay on their feet. We’re all on the hook for pulling them back from the brink of collapse.
Is the “fix” better than the disease? Bernanke’s Fed has lowered interest rates to record lows to rejuvenate the same terrible behavior that got us into trouble in the first place. To juice the economy, the Fed’s encouraging banks to make new loans, even when there are still plenty of bad loans out there. Overly indebted consumers and businesses have not yet deleveraged, plain and simple.
Meanwhile, the massive bank bailouts have partly made their way into bankers’ pockets, thanks to a continued abundance of lucrative pay and bonus packages. We were all told that bailing out the banks was a necessary evil to ensure economic survival. Apparently, some of us are “surviving” better than others.
With economic friends like The Fed, who needs enemies? (Unless, of course, you’re a bank executive.)
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“…People were thrilled with the inflated “values” of their homes — never mind whether their meteoric rise made any real sense. They bought into the red-hot real estate market with interest-only loans and other exotic vehicles, then used their homes as ATMs to finance bling, trips, fancy cars, and more. The ripple effects expanded throughout the economy as greed, myopia, and rampant consumerism took hold.”
Mr. Bear, would it be appropriate to insert the words: “MILLIONS of” …in front of the word “…people…” at the beginning of this sentence? or is that what call generalizing?
Sadly for millions of readers of The Motely F the didn’t really acknowledge there ‘was’ a HB until it was way, way too late.
Put them in the “always a good investment in the “long term” camp.
The Motley Fools appear to have something in common with their “enemies” at the Fed:
They tend to drive while looking through the lens of the rear view mirror, which makes crashes rather difficult to avoid.
They also missed the dot com bubble.
I was thinking the same thing when I read it. They said the bubble wouldn’t be a big deal, and prices would level off.
I still say the best shot in the arm we can do is to lower credit cards rates to less then 5% and save people money each and every month till it gets paid off..of course if you take the deal there will never be a credit limit increase on your card…which is fair.
I’ve got a better idea. They should have taken the 800 billion stimulus and run a national lottery, making millionaires out of 800,000 individuals. One winner per household, employees of the federal government and their family members not eligible, etc., etc.
BTW. 800,000 is 1 out of every 375 persons.
Also note that they would have made some money from the lottery tickets, thus reducing the net payout. Heck, who knows, they might have even turned a profit!
Brilliant idea; way better than throwing billions down black holes and into executive pockets.
Not only made money off selling the tickets, the feds and state would have collected income taxes on the winnings.
They can say the lottery tickets benefit education, too!
They can say the lottery tickets benefit education, too!
And how has that worked out for each state? Not so well. Maybe 1%. If that.
You know, I’ve been on the fence about the Feds “quantitative easing” since it was started. I didn’t like it, but I thought that there where good reasons to do it. I can go into them, but that is another post.
After an entire year or more of this stuff, I’ve begun to understand that to “save the system” is to destroy it. The 0% interest rate and treasuries purchases, etc. are tiresome and dangerous. Here is why: A reduction in the relative price of the dollar is tantamount to protectionism. We are “beggaring our neighbor” with this. Other countries and nations then do the same. We therefore have a huge carry trade in the dollar. If (when, actually) inflation starts our nation and its many and diverse peoples will not withstand that storm any better than the current recession. We will be even poorer than we are now.
The Fed will then “ease off” this stuff. Once that happens we are back to where we were in 2005 with a bubble economy. You saw what WS did when the dollar stopped sliding this past week? Think about when it’s value actually increases a little.
Maybe we can get Kramer and Brunette to have another rant. Could be she even wears the same giraffe dress?
Roidy
‘People were thrilled with the inflated “values” of their homes — never mind whether their meteoric rise made any real sense.’
Literalist that I am, ‘meteoric rise’ never fails to irritate. In this rare case it’s an appropriate metaphor: they may have thought it was rising, but actually it’s a glowing trail of fiery destruction plunging to an impact crater.
A dollar collapse
Question: My husband’s paranoid web sites are now predicting the collapse of the dollar by the end of the year. They say that other countries are no longer buying dollars and that the Fed is printing money like crazy to make up for the lack of foreign investment.
What do you think? If the dollar did collapse, what would that mean for the average citizen? Cheryl, Boulder, CO
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Roubini is talking about an asset collapse due to the dollar carry trade.He said the bubble is getting greater in risky assets and when the dollar rebounds there will be hell to pay.He cannot predict the timeframe but we are getting closer everyday.
I cannot imagine a rebound in the dollar without extremely high interest rates in the 18% range. Do you think the Fed will go from 0.25% to 18% within one year?
Isn’t the ratio of bets against Uncle Buck running at 97:1, 99:1? If anything, one has to admit that a dollar rally does appear to be THE contrarian play right now.
I’ll give you that, but what if short covering is actually what currently provides the buyers to the market? That would mean a slow steady descent into the abyss.
go from 0.25% to 18% within one year ??
Paging; Paul Volcker….
Not that fast. I am thinking Volcker took maybe 2-3 years to get it from inflation-generating low Fed Funds levels of the late 1970s up to the crushingly high double-digit rates of the early 1980s.
Hey Bill, I though of a question for you yesterday but didn’t have time to ask.
You state that you keep X% of your assets as PMs. Have you needed to sell in the last few months to keep that level. I’ve have the enviable problem that my PMs have gone from 10% to well over 25%.
I guess my question is, do you periodically rebalance by selling, or do you just set stops to sell if the selling price dips back below a certain level?
I have sold nothing yet. Lately I’ve been thinking of the best time to do the selling: Since I have 11% of my net worth in precious metals, I figure rather than go to a coin shop every month and buy a coin or sell it to keep around 10%, just wait until I get to 15% and sell enough to get down to 10% of my assets. It makes sense to me, maybe not to others.
It will be crazy driving back and forth 7 miles each way to the dealer otherwise.
Right, again its a good problem to have, no?
Oh I’d love to see interest rates spike like that, if only to watch the exploding heads on CNBC.
i was able to retire from an hourly factory floor job at age 50 because of Volker’s actions. Sorry, i mean the Blessed Saint Volker.
If not for the USD then what? The Euro is no better, the Pound is in worse shape than the dollar, and the Yen has some serious trouble ahead of it. Yuan is exchange-rate managed against the dollar and I don’t see the Chinese maki ng any drastic moves. In fact, this is a big reason why the Euro can’t strengthen - the Yuan and Dollar are in lock step so if the Euro strengthens then European exports will get even less competitive than they are now and Chinese imports will get even cheaper.
So by default the dollar will continue to rule. But all currencies will slide in their purchasing power of necessary goods (while luxuries will continue to deflate).
‘So by default the dollar will continue to rule.’
Yay! It’s good to be the king. And luxuries get cheaper. Sounds like my kind of world. (Someone tell the craft brewers.)
If the dollar did collapse, what would that mean for the average citizen?
A lower standard of living, more free time, anger, misunderstanding, more expensive imported goods and a chance of a subsistence level factory job in a couple years?
“…more free time…”
You cracked me up with that one.
so, pretty much the same as now, you’re saying…
And then a all out assault on the State and federal government…
First up for the fed’s; Bring all the men & women home…Let the bastards fend for themselves or pay 125% of the cost for us to provide the protection…This sheriff of the world mentality to spread democracy works fine when the Indians are drunk with prosperity…No so well when they are sober and hungry…
If the dollar did collapse, what would that mean for the average citizen?
I think the key question is, collapse against what? Are other countries even worse off than we are? Some people yesterday seemed to be predicting a yen collapse. What currency or asset class is going to prove to be a better store of value than the dollar?
Canadian, Aussie, Brazilian, cetain Asian, etc. There are still ports in this storm.
Most have them have already started raising their interest rates too. They are tiptoeing away from America. They want to be the first ones out so they are doing it surreptitiously.
Those are all commodity and/or export based economies- just like the US was during the last great depression. And that one hit us pretty hard. Why will it be different this time?
Because the US is now the debtor nation that Germany was at the inception of GD1, and China is the creditor nation that we were.
For the average Boulder citizen, Cheryl, you must prepare yourself for the eventuality that middle class and yes, even poor people may move into town. You had best stock up on caviar and Grey Goose now.
And earl gray Celestial Seasonings tea. Can’t forget that.
and Grey Goose now ??
Yummy..
It looks like the Fed has successfully stoked the flames of inflation expectations, as evidenced by surging gold, stampeding shares and bubbling crude, in order to stave off the deflationary wolf at the door.
Next up: “No one could have seen it coming” on “higher than expected” future inflation…
Index Futures:
S&P 500 1,050 8.30 0.80%
DOW 9,755 75.00 0.77%
NASDAQ 1,685 9.00 0.54%
Gold surges toward $1,100
Contract touches $1,094 in electronic trading, with observers citing a backdrop of factors as signposts pointing the way toward further gains.
• Crude trends back atop $80
I guess the adp job report showed a loss of around 200k more jobs.I think there is a jobs report friday and I think the market will sell off on the bad news.We are losing jobs left and right.You have grown men fighting over pizza delivery jobs.Just not seeing this bull market in my world.
“…market will sell off…”
A closely watched pot never boils over.
My question is, why is the rest of the world buying gold and we arent? What do they know that we dont? What would happen if the rest of the world went to a gold standard and we didnt? Wouldnt that make our paper worthless?
Gold is in a bubble I think.I see toothless people on the corners around here with signs that say “we buy gold”.This has bubble written all over it.Who knows when it will blow but going to leave a lot of rookie investors pennyless.
“The market can remain irrational a lot longer than you can remain solvent”.
Check out DZZ.I think there will be some money to be made there.
“I see toothless people on the corners around here with signs that say “we buy gold.”
Maybe they’re toothless because they sold their gold teeth.
I’m pretty sure that’s what will keep the whinos in my hood in clover this winter. If an alchemist turns lead to gold, what do you call someone who turns gold to booze?
what do you call someone who turns gold to booze?
Gold is a noble metal and it does not react very easily. That’s why it is called the precious mellow yellow.
what do you call someone who turns gold to booze?
a geologist, also known as alcohol-based life forms
Gold is in a bubble I think.
Yes Gold might be in a bubble, however it might also be entering stage three of an ongoing, long term bull market vs the dollar. Stage 3 is where irrationality and greed run amok. Stage three is where fortunes are made and lost.
Since 2001, Gold has broken to the upside of the teacup and handle patten 4 or 5 times which can be a bullish breakout and has always been bullish for gold in this period. I mentioned that if Gold broke above around $1,055 it would be breaking above this pattern again and might go higher, however one frequent poster said the tea leaves in his teacup indicated Gold would be going lower so be careful out here…
I will also add that Gold has not advanced vs the Brazilian Real for the past 7 months and is close to the same level as a year ago.
So if we measure the ultimate inflation hedge in terms of inflation we get what:
“In January 1980, gold hit $834, or approximately $2200 in today’s dollars on an inflation adjusted basis. In early 1980, gold was seeing daily moves as high as 10% and was seeing six month gains as high as 170%.”
That coupled with the fact that at 1,100 ounce, it is worth two times as much per ounce as it actually takes to mine it, so there is incentive to get supply to match demand, real, imagined, manipulated, bubblized or otherwise.
A short term timing trade, probably. A look term investment, I don’t see how it makes any sense at all.
Short DZZ, Long DZZ is for suckers, IMHO.
Corn & bullets & free libraries …in abundance.
My question is, why is the rest of the world buying gold and we arent?
Seems like mostly because we can’t - we have to spend all the money we’re creating on our own treasuries, lest interest rates go through the roof, crashing the housing market worse.
What do they know that we dont?
Probably not much IMO. To be honest I see their moves as mostly speculative. That’s not to say they’re doing the wrong thing, however. They see the huge spike in U.S. deficit spending, and believe the dollar will suffer because of it. The U.S. on the other hand has to show confidence in its ability to pay off its debts, to keep borrowing costs low. Just the act of the U.S. buying gold would erode that confidence, causing demand for treasuries to plummet, and thus our borrowing costs to skyrocket.
What would happen if the rest of the world went to a gold standard and we didnt?
We’d be hosed - royally. However that isn’t going to happen. They are however moving away from the dollar incrementally - towards other currencies (e.g. trading between countries with their own currencies, other than US$), towards IMF SDRs, towards commodities, towards gold, etc.
Wouldnt that make our paper worthless?
Yes, to a great extent. Though like I say it’s a very slow thing. It’s just not going to happen overnight light a lot of people fear - like what happened in Russia, Argentina, Zimbabwe, etc. The reason is that the US$ is still the world’s bulk reserve currency. That’s something you just don’t undo overnight.
Since everybody’s got such a huge amount of excess cash laying about there’s nothing to stop the price of gold from going to the moon.
Just where does one get this “saved money”?
Money was earned by selling to US. I am investing in a company that might have products China/India/Pacific Rim might want.
Stock symbol is ATRC earnings after open today.
I get mine from Ben’s helicopter.
All you have to do is convince Ben that you are a bank.
“Just where does one get this “saved money”?”
Anyone else hear that phrase in Steve Martin’s voice?
http://consumerist.com/consumer/clips/snl-skit-dont-buy-stuff-you-cant-afford-252491.php
Steve Martin
Another product of America’s Community College!
A new “green” FED printing press will save electricity by running on gold bars using fuel-cell technology. Mountains of bullion will fuel the printer.
+1
I mean why not? Everyone ‘else’ is “going green”?
I couldn’t sleep last night over my anxiousness over the Fed’s decision today whether they will hold interest rates at 0 percent or raise them. The suspense is just agonizing…
Currencies
Nov. 4, 2009, 10:37 a.m. EST
Dollar declines as traders prep for Fed’s announcement
By Deborah Levine & William L. Watts, MarketWatch
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — The U.S. dollar declined versus the euro and other major currencies on Wednesday as investors showed renewed appetite for equities and risky assets.
Traders also awaited the conclusion of the U.S. Federal Reserve’s two-day policy meeting. An announcement with policy makers’ outlook for rates and the economy is expected at 2:15 p.m. Eastern.
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$1100 means much less than $1000, and actually less than $1060. The next major resistance is arond $1230.
“…The next major resistance is arond $1230.”
Provided Israel doesn’t decide to “spank” Iran.
(Hwy wonders what that would do for the RV business and gun & gasoline gas can sales…)
Condo association says half its owners are behind on a total of $675,000 in fees
By KIMBERLY MILLER
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, November 03, 2009
With 50 percent of its owners owing a total of more than half-a-million dollars in overdue maintenance fees, a suburban West Palm Beach condo association wants to seize control of delinquent units, bypass owners when it comes to rent collection and possibly even rent units through a third party.
The move by the Palm Beach Grande Condominium Association is a desperation measure as coffers dwindle to amounts unable to support the association through the end of the year, according to a petition filed in Palm Beach County Circuit Court.
In some cases, the owner of a condo in foreclosure is renting it out, receiving a monthly rent payment, but refusing to pay association fees for water, landscaping, security, insurance and upkeep of the fitness facilities.
Since 2007, nearly 160 of Palm Beach Grande’s 304 units have faced a foreclosure filing, according to Condo Vultures, a Miami-based consulting company.
About $675,000 is owed Palm Beach Grande’s association.
The request for a receiver says it is “unfair that unit owners should be allowed the benefit of rental income in their pockets when they are not meeting their monthly obligations to the condominium association.”
Past practice has been for an association to ask for a receiver for each individual unit in default. But that was when defaults were relatively few.
Now, faced with hundreds of delinquent units, “blanket receiverships” are becoming more common.
Recent court decisions in Miami-Dade and Broward counties have granted blanket receiverships, allowing a court-appointed representative to directly collect rents to pay off maintenance fees.
While laws differ when it comes to owner-occupied, vacant and rented condo units, some boards are even asking for the power to rent out delinquent units, effectively bypassing the owner to become landlord.
The new legal tool appears to be moving north with one Palm Beach County property management company saying it expects about five condo boards it represents to file receivership requests within the next 30 days.
“If 50 percent of the people don’t pay, the other 50 percent pay more, and it just becomes a burden,” said Mark Quinn, president of Banyan Property Management, which represents Palm Beach Grande Condominium Association. “You end up with dues going up, people can’t pay, they go up again. Everything spirals down.”
Palm Beach Grande, near Okeechobee Boulevard and Benoist Farms Road, was an apartment complex until 2006 when it converted into a condo.
Units were going for about $165,000 and to $180,000. Their current market value, as listed by the Palm Beach County Property Appraiser, is around $50,000.
Monthly condo association fees are around $235. The lawsuit claims about 100 of the delinquent units are not owner-occupied.
“We’re collecting for the association to keep the community in working order,” said Steve Terrinoni, a broker with Rent Florida Realty, Inc., which is requesting to be the receiver for Palm Beach Grande. “This is what it’s going to take to get the associations out of debt.”
But Peter Zalewski, a principal with Condo Vultures, said while a receivership looks good on paper, it doesn’t mean it will work in practice.
It can be difficult, he said, to persuade a renter to pay the receiver instead of the owner. The landlord may offer a discount to keep the rent coming in, or play on the tenant’s sympathies with a tale of economic woe.
“The tenant gets confused as to who to pay,” Zalewski said. “They don’t want that grief or headache and at the end of the day, they don’t know who to believe.”
Still, John Lapolla, who recently bought five Palm Beach Grande units at deflated prices and is renting them out, said he’s in favor of a legal order to force assessment payments when a person is earning money from a unit.
“Every person who buys a unit should live up to the commitments they made when they bought it,” he said.
I have never understood why people pay association dues. I dont want to have to pay someone twice after the mortgage holder to live in my house. I think housing associations are rip offs and another way for someone to be in your business.
Step….If its a condoze then it’s a communal property, and the community shares in any communal costs..like a roof boiler leak repair.
Or maintenance of the property, who shovels the sidewalk when it snows? or replaces light bulbs in the hallways?
If you own a home then the dues pays for street maintenance garbage etc., since its still communal property.
I was told HOA’s were originally an idea from those left wingers (communist types) at Berkley who wanted to separate themselves and control entry from the rest of the riff raff
Yeah, but don’t the condoze people still have to pay their taxes to the county, state, etc.? If so, they are paying twice for the services (plowing snow, and so on), basically.
In the case of a condo, however, they are often paying for landscaping, pools, water, common electric, sewage, trash, insurance, etc. It makes sense for everyone to pay a fee. Just not the exorbitant fees most places charge.
HOA’s can be run very economicaly if managed properly…Economies of scale at work..The smaller the complex the better I might add from a management point of view but the bigger complexes also get the bigger benefits of the economies…
I have never understood why people pay association dues.
Speaking from someone who does - I can give you one good reason at least - economies of scale.
I can pay $50 per month for a pool, two playgrounds, basketball courts, and walking trails, within walking distance. It’d be way more than $50 a month just to put in a pool in my backyard. I don’t have room for playgrounds, basketball courts, or walking trails.
Yes I could drive to these things - in city parks and/or gym memberships, but the cost would be roughly the same if not more, and they’re not within walking distance for me and my kids.
Yeah I’m not crazy about some of the rules and regs - but to some extent they’re a wash. It does stink to have some of the restrictions - but for many HOA’s they’re not too bad (I made sure ours wasn’t), and I’m glad for instance they keep my neighbors from storing broken down cars on blocks in their yards, or in front of my house for that matter.
Not to mention it pays for services that our local city does not provide, such as snow removal from our neighborhood streets. I pay $33 per month and it mostly pays for lanscaping in our common areas, like the large park two blocks from our house (why the city won’t pay for its upkeep is a mystery, as its fully public accessible.)
Yeah really makes me want to buy a condo…not. For the piddly-ass places around here, even 125/mo would be a problem for a lot of the people suckered into buying.
Yeah yeah yeah…where my bailout? lower my mortgage to $50k and i will pay your damnnn azzociation fees….Pfft!
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“Every person who buys a unit should live up to the commitments they made when they bought it,” he said………
But… but… bu.. I thought folks in WPB “are people that have… money!”? That’s what a realtwhore told me?
There is a world of difference between Palm Beach and West Palm Beach.
Isn’t the show cops always going to WPB for some great stupid moron I aint gotz NOe Eye DEE clip.
The pressure is on to buy again. At least that’s the advice I keep getting from colleague. The reasoning? Interest rates won’t ever be this low again. So I’m wondering about the poor sods who buy an overpriced property (I’m talking in the San Francisco area) with these low interest rates. They have big mortgage payments to hit each month. There will be no chance to “refinance” in later years at a better rate, will there? I mean, if rates are at an all time low and they’re carrying these heavy payments, they’re stuck with them for 30 years, aren’t they? I ask out of blissful ignorance.
I think the same way. I imagine those buying now using the 28% of monthly income rule haven’t even considered the possibility that interest rates could go back to 8 or 9% in the next couple/few of years. A 250K loan costs about 1425 a month now at 5.5%. Say in five years, rates are at 8% and the loan now costs 1825 a month, that’s a 30% increase in the payment. To offer the next person the house at a similar payment the price would have to be reduced to 195K. I know there is a chance of some wage increases in that 5 years to make up for part of the 55K difference but I doubt it’s going to be a 30% increase.
so we’re still talking ARMs?? Why wouldn’t someone want fixed at these rates?
Not talking about ARMS. Talking about not being able to sell in a few years at anything like the same price causing you to loose your downpayment if you have it or bring cash to the closing or have to try for a short sale. Better to rent for less money and be able to continue to save rather than lose all that cash just to be able to paint the walls.
think the same way. I imagine those buying now using the 28% of monthly income rule haven’t even considered the possibility that interest rates could go back to 8 or 9% in the next couple/few of years. A 250K loan costs about 1425 a month now at 5.5%. Say in five years, rates are at 8% and the loan now costs 1825 a month, that’s a 30% increase in the payment.
Don’t forget when interest rates go up the price of the house may continue to fall, especially if wages have not increased and inflation for food, clothing, gas ect eats a bigger share of the paycheck, and taxes have been raised, and services cut.
Yup. The old wisdom posted here from time to time since the beginning: Given the same P&I payment, it’s better to buy a lower priced house at a higher interest rate than a higher priced one at a lower interest rate, because there is always the possibility that rates will drop in the future, but the lender is not going to voluntarily reduce the principal owed.
While for a lot of bubble-era FBs that logic has been temporarily defeated by government intervention, I think it is as useful a rule of thumb as the generally accepted rent rations, relative to buying decisions.
rations = ratios
“Interest rates won’t ever be this low again.”
The upside: Prices (at least inflation-adjusted) won’t ever be this high again.
The reasoning? Interest rates won’t ever be this low again ??
I would agree with that assumption…Impact;
Possibly much less turnover of inventory…Who is going to sell their home (unless they have no choice) with a 5% mortgage so they can go buy another house with a bigger mortgage @ 8%…??
Bingo. Buy now and get locked in forever.
I really expect the primative screwheads in congress to possibly increase the penalties in bankruptcy to prevent walkaways.
That ought to give people a bit of a scare.
I would be interested to know who signed off on the banruptcy reform legislation.
That ought to be an interesting roll call.
Seeing the Republicans win a few races… Wow, it brings out a lot of my disgusted feelings about the last 9 years. Bunch of goddammed imbeciles.
Hopefully the conservative movements take over the danged mess.
Interest rates won’t ever be this low again.
I seriously doubt that. They were this low in the 1950’s and 1960’s, They were this low 2001-2004. They’ve been this low for 2 years now again.
There’s very little reason to believe that they won’t continue to be this low, or at least close to this low, for a long, long, long time to come. At this point the U.S. simply cannot afford to have its borrowing costs go up significantly, or else it will outright default. If that happens - chaos will ensue, and prices will plummet. Treasury yields remaining low means mortgage rates will remain low.
I know *lots* of people buying. I think we’re about out of renters! Well there is the friends getting a divorce so that might make 2 renters. But yea, I can think of people who are trying to buy before the $8K credit is gone. Friend trying to sell is happy because people are looking at his condo.
After commercial real estate finishes collapsing, we’ll move onto state and local governments.
http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2009/11/03/the-coming-collapse-of-the-municipal-bond-market/
“Barring some sort of miraculous boom in the economy and pension fund investment returns, state and local governments are headed for insolvency and default.”
OK, let’s take the bets again. Will the federal government succeed in engineering a mass back-door default via inflation?
Will debts just disappear, leading to massive deflation as people’s money goes to money heaven?
Or will all the public and private debts be federalized, with men with guns sent to collect the money from future generations who will live in poverty to pay it back?
And finally, since younger U.S. “citizens” couldn’t be bothered to get informed, vote, run for office, and stop all this, but will be mad as hell when the bills come due, when do we get our Il Duce?
“After commercial real estate finishes collapsing, we’ll move onto state and local governments.”
Pretty soon, all that will be left is the too-big-to-fail US government and certain closely aligned “private” banks…
Commercial real estate is in big, big trouble…I guy I know had a car lot that he was leasing for $17,000. per month for many years…Its been vacant for 6 months…Best offer so far; $5,000. per month…
Every strip mall and mega mall in San Diego has a shingle out advertising space available. It is like the huge number of yard signs that showed up around 2006 when everyone was trying to sell their homes. Now there are almost no yard signs… I guess the buyer’s market in housing is over.
“Commercial real estate is in big, big trouble”…
You ain’t just whistling Dixie, here in our small city of Columbia,S.C. the states largest utility, Scanna just vacated a large office building in the downtown area. Leaving the largest amount of office space ever available downtown.
Commercial vacancy’s all over the place, while they cling to ridiculous prices, waiting for the rebound.
Wmbz:
I used to live on covenant road between two notch and belt line worked at Wolo TV25 in that old quanset hut I knew the chief engineer drove down from NY on my way Fla ( got laid off wanted to drive to key west) stopped in and he offered a job never made it to fla…..found a duplex and drove back to ny to get my stuff
nyc, I have no idea what you just said. Beginning with “between two notch and belt line…” all the way to the end. I don’t know who found the duplex. I DID surmise it was you who drove back to NY to get your stuff.
luv ya and all, but if you are going to post for your fans - of which I am one, don’t think I have ever missed one of your posts - for heaven’s sake don’t make us take smart pills.
Well, I shouldn’t speak for everybody there, on that. Don’t make ME take smart pills. It would prolly cost more than I’m willing to spend.
Thanks.
New ocean front property:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/livescience/giantcrackinafricawillcreateanewocean
Research firm: U.S. lost 284,000 jobs in Oct., 5.9M in 12 months
Silicon Valley / San Jose Business Journal.
The U.S. economy lost 284,000 jobs in October, with about 5.9 million jobs lost in all over the past 12 months, according to research released Wednesday from TrimTabs Investment Research.
The Sausalito firm said October’s figure was a modest improvement over the 358,000 jobs shed in September.
TrimTabs’ employment estimates are based on analysis of daily income tax deposits to the U.S. Treasury from all salaried U.S. employees.
In a research note, TrimTabs added that wages and salaries are still declining sequentially. The firm estimates based on income tax deposits that wages and salaries fell 5.3 percent year over year in September and 4.6 percent year over year in October, steeper than declines earlier in the year.
Meanwhile, a report in the Wall Street Journal broke down the number of private jobs lost in the U.S. — not counting government positions — to 203,000 last month.
And miraculously the unemployment rate will drop again!
“…The U.S. economy lost 284,000 jobs in October, with about 5.9 million jobs lost in all over the past 12 months,”
Cheney-Shrub “Shadow” Institution:
“Every institution is the lengthened shadow of one man.” Emerson
Thanksgiving “TrueBeliever’s™” sibling’s dinner… 22 days:
Cheney-Shrub: “We want him to succeed as president, we really do.”
Aren’t you the true believer now, Hwy?
Yep, I truly do believe Opie™ Obama has had exactly… 10 months… to repair the Cheney-Shrub “Conundrum™” & the “Leave-no-401K-behind™”
(Hwy thinks lil’ Opie™ ought to toss out the Chinese made “tools” and go to Sears and get a good old set of Craftsman “wrenches” to speed things up a bit…oh, wait that won’t work… because I forgot…they’re made in China too)
Columbia, S.C.
You’re # 229 @ 9.4 % …could be much worse…check out # 372!
http://www.bls.gov/web/laummtrk.htm
So, El Centro is leading the pack in the “jobless” recovery! Go El Centro!
Migration: refers to directed, regular, or systematic movement of a group of objects, organisms, or people…from one place to another.
SC Major Industries - farming (tobacco, soybeans), textiles, manufacturing chemicals, processed foods, machinery, electronics, paper products, tourism.
State Motto - “Dum Spiro Spero” - “While I breathe, I hope”
Yep, and now we’s gonna build dem bowins air ships, likely gonna add screen doors for summer fly’n.
Ya’ll come back now, ya here.
We’ve got a long way to go. A friend gave me his copy of a letter from Capitol Honda in San Jose, CA. Dispicable in my opinion.
“Due to extreme competition in the current lending markets, individuals with less than perfect credit (such as BANKRUPTCY, REPOSSESSION, FORECLOSURE or ALL OF THE ABOVE) are encouraged to respond. With record low interest rates and preferred pricing you can save like never before and be driving home today.” (Caps are not mine)
This friend had just completed BK last month and in the process gave up his 2008 car!
But at what interest rate? 20%?
Interest rates are not an impediment for the “focused target group”…down payment in x3 installments and no payment for x3 months is the closer.
Senate May Approve Homebuyer Tax Credit, Jobless Benefits Today
Nov. 4 (Bloomberg) — The U.S. Senate may approve as early as today a $45 billion plan to expand a tax credit for first- time homebuyers, extend jobless benefits and provide tax refunds to money-losing companies.
Lawmakers plan to vote this afternoon on whether to end debate and move to a final vote. The Senate is likely to approve the legislation and send it to the House, where Democratic leaders predicted it would be quickly forwarded to President Barack Obama to be signed into law.
The plan would be the first major extension of provisions in February’s stimulus package. It would continue until April 30 the $8,000 homebuyers’ tax credit, slated to expire this month, which would be expanded to include people with higher incomes and some who already own homes. The credit would cost $10 billion, according to Congress’s Joint Committee on Taxation.
The measure includes $2.4 billion to extend unemployment benefits for as many as 20 weeks, enough to aid the jobless through the holiday season. It would loosen tax rules for homebuilders and other money-losing companies to let them claim an estimated $33 billion in tax refunds this year, according to Joint Committee on Taxation estimates.
Senators voted 85-2 on Nov. 2 to advance the legislation. It has been delayed for weeks by Republican demands for votes on amendments to the plan.
“Republicans used every trick in the book to slow and stall and ensure we can’t do important work,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Nevada Democrat, said today.
Republican Amendment
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Kentucky Republican, has said the legislation could have been approved last week if Democrats had agreed to his colleagues’ demands. Republicans sought a vote on an amendment to end the Treasury Department’s Troubled Asset Relief Program.
The measure includes $2.4 billion to extend unemployment benefits for as many as 20 weeks, enough to aid the jobless through the holiday season. It would loosen tax rules for homebuilders and other money-losing companies to let them claim an estimated $33 billion in tax refunds this year, according to Joint Committee on Taxation estimates
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Why the *@#$& are we supporting large home builders. This is just &@#$** crazy. When the oversupply resolves builders will quickly start building even if the large builders collapse. There is absolutely no justification for Too Big To Fail in terms of home builders. This is just padding campaign donors wallets.
This is just padding campaign donors wallets.
Bingo.
Really, really sickening.
There is a bright side. These dumb a$$es who call what they do “construction” will gear up and put more supply on the market, further cannibalizing their income stream.
Dollar Falls on View Fed Will Reiterate Pledge to Keep Rate Low
The Fed is likely to retain its reference to keeping interest rates at a record low for an “extended period” in its monetary policy statement today, according to Citigroup Inc.
‘More Dovish’
The Fed is “likely to retain its current statement,” Michael Hart, a London-based currency analyst at Citigroup, wrote in a note today. “Market implications are ambiguous though, and the dollar is more likely to be driven by the next payrolls release.”
Policy makers will hold the benchmark interest rate in a range of zero to 0.25 percent, according to all of the 96 economists in a Bloomberg survey.
The Fed (I mean the scumbag) is likely to screw the prudent taxpayer who played by the rules for an extended period of time.
There you go I have fixed it for you Michael Hart.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=aPXTAJiXg9GY
The Fed is likely to retain its reference to keeping interest rates at a record low for an “extended period”
Until inflation does its job?
For a long time now, BofA interest rates on money market accounts were near zero. On Monday they rose to 1.5% which, while seemingly miserable, is pretty competitive with the non-TBTF banks for a change. So I’m trying to figure out why. It doesn’t seem to be because they want to increase lending - the interest rate board for mortgages at my local branch doesn’t even have numbers on it anymore.
Colorado ski town legalizes pot
AP
DENVER – The Colorado ski town of Breckenridge has voted overwhelmingly to legalize marijuana.
Early returns Tuesday night showed the proposal winning with 72 percent of the vote. The measure would allow adults over 21 to have up to 1 ounce of marijuana.
The measure is largely symbolic because pot possession remains a state crime for people without medical clearance. But supporters said they wanted to send a message to local law enforcement to stop busting small-time pot smokers.
The vote comes as communities nationwide are struggling with how to enforce pot laws at a time when medical marijuana has surged in popularity.
Rocky Mountain High ?
“Rocky Mountain High”
It’s Colorado
Sing it out loud:
He was born in the summer of his 27th year
Comin’ home to a place he’d never been before
He left yesterday behind him, you might say he was born again
You might say he found a key for every door
When he first came to the mountains his life was far away
On the road and hangin’ by a song
But the string’s already broken and he doesn’t really care
It keeps changin’ fast and it don’t last for long
But the Colorado rocky mountain high
I’ve seen it rainin’ fire in the sky
The shadow from the starlight is softer than a lullabye
Rocky mountain high
He climbed cathedral mountains, he saw silver clouds below
He saw everything as far as you can see
And they say that he got crazy once and he tried to touch the sun
And he lost a friend but kept his memory
Now he walks in quiet solitude the forest and the streams
Seeking grace in every step he takes
His sight has turned inside himself to try and understand
The serenity of a clear blue mountain lake
And the Colorado rocky mountain high
I’ve seen it rainin’ fire in the sky
You can talk to God and listen to the casual reply
Rocky mountain high
Now his life is full of wonder but his heart still knows some fear
Of a simple thing he cannot comprehend
Why they try to tear the mountains down to bring in a couple more
More people, more scars upon the land
And the Colorado rocky mountain high
I’ve seen it rainin’ fire in the sky
I know he’d be a poorer man if he never saw an eagle fly
Rocky mountain high
It’s Colorado rocky mountain high
I’ve seen it rainin’ fire in the sky
Friends around the campfire and everybody’s high
Rocky mountain high
-John Denver
“Friends around the campfire and everybody’s high
Rocky mountain high”
I envision a time of pipe-ing hot fun with Mary Jane and the bong-o drums…
So many possibilities, to put it blunt-ly.
yeah all that hippie talk drove the girls wild….
Yeah but Breck can’t legally supercede (sp?) state and fed laws, so smoke on chair lifts only.
Isn’t that what the chairs are for in the first place?
Looks like our local crooks are doing a little pre-holiday shopping. To support their “lifestyle”.
Break-ins soar in Columbia,S.C.
Nov. 04, 2009
Home burglaries in Columbia are up 32 percent so far this year over last year.
From Jan. 1 through Oct. 5, 1,150 dwellings have been burglarized in the capital city. That’s compared with 869 for the same time period last year.
“These are hard economic times. I’m sure that those in the criminal element are out there taking from those who are not criminals to help support their lifestyle,” said Columbia police Capt. Thomas Dodson.
Burglaries are break-ins at unoccupied houses or apartments, most occurring during the day. Burglars target money, guns, jewelry and small electric items such as iPods.
Home break-ins are up across the city, not just in any one neighborhood, police said.
“…I’m sure that those in the criminal element are out there taking from those who are not criminals to help support their lifestyle,”
Anyone you’d like to mention by name Mr. Bear?
Two ways to keep your house from being broken into:
1.) Have nothing worth stealing.
2.) Have four dogs that sound like they will rip apart anyone who is approaching the house.
leave so much stuff on the floor and in the hallway so they trip and fall before getting anything out…a computer with wires hanging all over is not like a cute laptop on an empty desk.
I just put a hitch lock on my house when I’m gone.
Have four small/tiny dogs that sound like they will rip apart anyone
Those constant barkers will scare the bejibbers out of any big lunk.
can’t stand em, but they do have a use!
More good news…
Personal bankruptcies surge 9%
Number of Americans filing for bankruptcy continues to climb. Total bankruptcies expected to top 1.4 million in 2009, highest in 4 years.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — The number of Americans filing personal bankruptcies surged 9% in October and were on target for the highest annual total in four years, according to a report issued Wednesday.
The American Bankruptcy Institute, an industry research firm that relies on data from the National Bankruptcy Research Center, said 135,914 consumers filed for bankruptcy last month. Almost a third of the bankruptcies were filed under Chapter 13, in which consumers are put on a repayment plan of up to five years.
“The nearly 9% increase in consumer bankruptcy filings in October, together with a 7% jump reported in business cases, demonstrates the sustained stress on the U.S. economy,” said ABI executive director Samuel Gerdano.
The group forecasts total bankruptcies to exceed 1.4 million in 2009, which would be the highest since 2005. It would also be an increase of at least 30% from last year.
“People are still carrying a lot of debt in terms of credit cards and home equity loans, and unemployment is still rising,” said Maureen Thompson, legislative director for the National Association of Consumer Bankruptcy Attorneys in Washington. “All of those factors are hitting consumers at the exact same time.”
While some Americans are able to survive by tapping into savings and retirement funds, Thompson said many middle-income families are struggling after becoming unemployed for longer than anticipated. And with their homes values lower, interest rates creeping higher and credit lines reducing, they are being forced to declare bankruptcy.
Almost a third of the bankruptcies were filed under Chapter 13, in which consumers are put on a repayment plan of up to five years.
Seems like more borrowing from the future, in this case consumer spending.
Stretching out the pain.
Stretching out the pain.
Its pretty much guaranteeing these folks will not be buying new cars or houses for the next 5 years.
Most 13’s end of as Chapter 7 Liquidations when their “plan” fails. Its just another legally permissible delay tactic. They have no future to borrow from.
Measure G FUHSD Parcel Tax defeated. Next step: LAWSUIT. I’ll keep you posted.
Here’s some RealtWhore logic. This “woman” thinks that higher property taxes keeps home “values” (I think she means prices) up:
http://activerain.com/blogsview/1318901/a-98-a-year-bargain
…in her argument to support Sunnyvale Cupertino FUHSD Measure G(reed)
Since my local Measure G(reed) (Sunnyvale, Cupertino FUHSD) parcel tax has been defeated, I now have extra $$$ to donate to the HBB! Clicking the donate button now. (Ben: look for name “swirsky”)
Store clerk indicted for stealing $1 million lottery ticket is declared winner.
A Texas county has indicted a store clerk for allegedly stealing a winning $1 million lottery ticket, but the state lottery commission tells the original buyer that it considers the clerk to be the winner and won’t pay up, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports.
Commission officials told Willis Willis, 67, of Grand Prairie, Texas, that they consider the clerk, Pankaj Joshi, the rightful winner because Joshi signed and redeemed the ticket as required, Willis’ attorney says.
But Joshi has been indicted in Travis County on charges of claiming a lottery prize by fraud. Prosecutors hope to give Willis about $365,000 they seized from Joshi’s bank accounts, the paper says.
Joshi, clerk at the store where Willis bought the ticket in May, didn’t let on that it was the big winner when he scanned Willis’ tickets two days later, authorities say.
Joshi later cashed it in, receiving $750,000 after taxes, and apparently returned to his native Nepal, the paper says.
A spokesman for the lottery commission declined to comment, the paper says.
“…Commission officials told Willis Willis, 67, of Grand Prairie, Texas, that they consider the clerk, Pankaj Joshi, the rightful winner because Joshi signed and redeemed the ticket as required”
“If the law supposes that,” said Mr. Bumble, “the law is a ass, a idiot.”
- Charles Dickens
“Joshi later cashed it in, receiving $750,000 after taxes, and apparently returned to his native Nepal”
“America, what a country!” Yakov Smirnoff
The lottery commission is pretty corrupt in Texas…but they have always only paid the person redeeming and not the owner as ownership is often not very clear.
My favorite is the guy who was divorcing his wife and waited until the divorce was final before redeeming his ticket.
Why did he leave so much behind?
Proposed law would require pay for sick workers.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. employers who tell workers to stay home when they are sick will have to give them paid time off for up to five days under new federal legislation proposed on Tuesday.
The emergency law would cover pandemic H1N1 flu or any other infectious disease, said California Representative George Miller, a Democrat who chairs the House Education and Labor Committee and who introduced the bill.
“Sick workers advised to stay home by their employers shouldn’t have to choose between their livelihood, and their co-workers’ or customers’ health,” Miller said.
“This will not only protect employees, but it will save employers money by ensuring that sick employees don’t spread infection to co-workers and customers, and will relieve the financial burden on our health system swamped by those suffering from H1N1.”
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention advises employers to encourage sick workers to stay home so they do not spread H1N1. “But workers have been reporting that many of them are either afraid or cannot afford to take time off,” Miller told reporters in a telephone briefing.
Paid sick leave is not required by U.S. laws.
Miller said the committee would hold a hearing the week of November 16 and he would press to have a full vote as soon as possible.
Miller said at least 50 million American workers are not paid for time taken off sick, “many in lower-wage jobs that have direct contact with the public such as the food-service and hospitality industry, schools and health care fields.”
So what happens to people with paid sick leave? They should get a bump as well, then?
I certainly am not a fan of company policy that incentivizes people to come in to work sick..the whole joint PTO thing is stupid. I’m at home sick right now because my coworkers were too selfish to stay home when ill, and my managers were stupid enough to 1) not send them home, and 2) call meetings with 20 people in a small, cramped room and close the door.
As far as I’m concerned, the company will simply have to learn the hard way, by having more people out sick. Unfortunately, as a contractor I don’t get any PTO. So I’m “taking one for the team” by staying home, rather than trudging in and getting my hours in. If we miss a deadline, perhaps they should reconsider their policies.
My coworkers are also too selfish. They would rather show up sick than risk losing their job for staying home.
^^^ is that sarcasm, skip? I don’t think that most risk their job if they stay home sick a day or two.
No drummin that was last year business model….
you have to get up to speed: taking sick days means you abandoned your JOB
taking sick days means you abandoned your JOB
Hrm..that’s certainly not the case for anyplace I worked. Then again, I’ve made sure to save up “F@ck you” money so that if an employer gets stupid like that, I can tell them to shove it.
Also, the time away from work will only reinforce how valuable my presence is (well, at least that’s the hope
company policy that incentivizes people to come in to work sick..
WEll, it has always been thus at my co. If you use your sick time, most likely sick-never came back with a tan, you get called on the carpet and threatened with losing your job. Step 1, Step 2 and then one more..out.
22 mortgage modification companies being forced to close their doors.
Nevada
If you are homeowner in the middle of a mortgage modification, you could be in a jam. The state is cracking down on loan modification companies and more than two dozen are about to shut down.
Nearly, 30 companies will be out of business all in the name of keeping homeowners in their homes. The state is cracking down on companies offering loan modification services who don’t meet specific requirements, like FBI background checks, educational requirements and having a $75,000 surety bond.
Homeowners already doing business with the companies being forced to close, should be prepared.
“The homeowner may not get back all of their money at this point, it depends on where they are in that contact with the homeowner,” said Elisabeth Daniels.
“Short sale” battles weigh on U.S. housing recovery.
NEW YORK (Reuters) - Home equity lenders faced with losses from the U.S. property slump are holding out for more money in distressed sales, slowing transactions needed to support a recovery, real estate agents and analysts say.
These secondary lenders are gaining power in negotiating payments from “short sales,” a growing part of the market where homes are sold for less than the balance of outstanding loans.
Short sales are often cheaper for the primary lender than foreclosure and a solution for homeowners who cannot get their payments reduced by federal loan modification efforts.
But the push by these lenders to recover more of their loans is complicating short sales which agents complain can take several months to complete.
The delays have grabbed the attention of the U.S. Treasury which is writing rules it hopes will smooth the process as it tries to help fix the housing market.
The fallout, a legacy of the era of easy credit when multiple loans were encouraged, comes as U.S. housing is struggling to maintain a nascent recovery in prices.
Analysts fear the first signs of a recovery in demand may drop back during the typically slow selling months of the U.S. winter just as banks put to market thousands of foreclosures delayed by the scramble to make loan modifications work.
Marilyn Monroe crypt auction fails again.
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A second attempt to sell a crypt on top of Marilyn Monroe’s final resting place has failed, with not a single bid received for the burial spot in a celebrity-filled Los Angeles cemetery.
Widow Elsie Poncher is trying to sell her husband’s crypt to pay off the mortgage on her Beverly Hills home. On selling the crypt, Poncher had planned to move her husband, who died in 1986, to an adjacent crypt intended for her.
But a $4.6 million bid submitted through online auctioneer eBay Inc in August fell through when the unidentified bidder pulled out.
A second auction on eBay with a reserve price of $500,000 also failed, with a notice on the online trading website saying it had closed with no bids on the marble mausoleum where Monroe was laid to rest in 1962.
The crypt is located at the Westwood Village Memorial Park cemetery, home to celebrities including Dean Martin, James Coburn, Roy Orbison, Truman Capote, Natalie Wood, Carl Wilson, Minnie Riperton and recent arrival Farrah Fawcett.
The space next to Monroe’s vault was sold in 1992 to the publisher of Playboy magazine, Hugh Hefner, for $75,000.
Sales from the Crypt
(not)
Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway May Lose Only Remaining AAA Credit Rating
Wednesday November 4, 2009
Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway could be stripped of its one remaining top-grade AAA credit rating.
Standard & Poor’s Ratings Services says in a news release today that it has put Berkshire on “CreditWatch with negative implications” in the wake of its announced deal to buy all of Burlington Northern Santa Fe.
Last March, S&P kept its AAA rating on Berkshire, but lowered its outlook to “negative” from “stable” because lower equity prices were hurting the capital holdings of Berkshire’s insurance operations.
Fitch took away Berkshire’s AAA rating in mid-March, and Moody’s did the same in early April.
Today S&P says it may lower Berkshire’s rating by one or two notches within 90 days, after it takes a closer look at the company’s agreement to buy BNSF.
It expects a “significant part” of the deal’s cash portion will come from Berkshire’s “core insurance operations, as has historically been the case in other transactions.”
As a result, says S&P credit analyst John Iten, “We believe that this transaction will decrease the liquidity and capital adequacy of the insurance operations. For the consolidated organization, financial leverage will increase and fixed-charge coverage may decline.”
Sounds like Uncle Warren’s “all in” bet is already starting to bite him in the arse.
Oh now Mr. Bear, be cheerful for goodness sake:
“Despite the rapid pace and the mammoth dollar amount involved, Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway (BRKa.N) (BRKb.N) didn’t use a financial advisor, according to a source familiar with the deal.
Buffett often sees no need to hire investment bankers for his deals, but it is perhaps surprising that the firm decided not to use any for such a huge deal.”
“If you buy a railroad, you can’t move it to China or to India or anyplace else. You are betting on the United States. I can’t think of a surer bet.”
- Warren Buffett, explaining Berkshire Hathaway’s (BRKB) $44 billion buyout of Burlington Northern Santa Fe (BNI).
(Hwy throws back a shot of red red wine)
“This is all happening because my father didn’t buy me a train set as a kid,” Mr. Buffett joked in an interview.
Poor Mr. Cole…what have I done!
Geez, don’t ya just love the diversity of American’s POV!
“Perhaps some of the stimulus money will go towards converting many of the box-cars into low cost apartments for all the under-employed & unemployed Americans. They can travel the country looking for work, and at the same time unload box-cars with products from China that are destined for Walmart stores, right?”
“…Standard & Poor’s Ratings Services says in a news release today that it has put Berkshire on “CreditWatch with negative implications”
I sure that sent Uncle Warren to his knees at the nearest toilet that he could find…what next, Moody’s hold his head under water?
“…Standard & Poor’s Ratings Services says in a news release today that it has put Berkshire on “CreditWatch with negative implications”
What “home-builder” did they do this too between 2001-2007?
Have a Safety Deposit Box in California?
Maybe What It Held Has Already Been Spent By California:
Not-So-Safe-Deposit Boxes - ABC News
San Francisco resident Carla Ruff’s safe-deposit box was drilled, seized, and turned over to the state of California, marked “owner unknown.”
“I was appalled,” Ruff said. “I felt violated.”
Unknown? Carla’s name was right on documents in the box at the Noe Valley Bank of America location. So was her address — a house about six blocks from the bank. Carla had a checking account at the bank, too — still does — and receives regular statements. Plus, she has receipts showing she’s the kind of person who paid her box rental fee. And yet, she says nobody ever notified her.
“They are zealously uncovering accounts that are not unclaimed,” Ruff said.
To make matters worse, Ruff discovered the loss when she went to her box to retrieve important paperwork she needed because her husband was dying. Those papers had been shredded.
And that’s not all. Her great-grandmother’s precious natural pearls and other jewelry had been auctioned off. They were sold for just $1,800, even though they were appraised for $82,500.
“These things were things that she gave to me,” Ruff said. “I valued them because I loved her.”
Bank of America told ABC News it deeply regrets the situation and appreciates the difficulty of what Mrs. Ruff was going through. The bank has reached a settlement with Ruff and continues to update its unclaimed property procedures as laws change.
California’s Class Action Lawsuit
Ruff is not alone. Attorney Bill Palmer represents her and countless other citizens in a class action lawsuit against the state of California.
“They figured the safety-deposit box was safer than keeping it under the mattress,” Palmer said. “In the case of a lot of citizens, they were wrong, weren’t they?”
California law used to say property was unclaimed if the rightful owner had had no contact with the business for 15 years. But during various state budget crises, the waiting period was reduced to seven years, and then five, and then three. Legislators even tried for one year. Why? Because the state wanted to use that free money.
“That’s absolutely correct,” said California State Controller John Chiang, who inherited the situation when he came into office. “What we’ve done here over the last two decades has been dead wrong. We’ve kept the property and not provided owners with the opportunities — the best opportunities — to get their property back.”
Chiang now faces the daunting task of returning $5.1 billion worth of unclaimed property to people. Some states keep their unclaimed property in a special trust fund and only tap into the interest they earn on it. But California dumps the money into the general fund — and spends it.
“It’s supposed to be segregated and protected,” Palmer said. “California has taken all of that $5.1 billion and has used it as a massive loan.”
California became so addicted to spending people’s money, that, for years, it simply stopped sending notices to the rightful owners. ABC News obtained a 1996 internal memo in which the lawyer for the Bureau of Unclaimed Property argued against expanding programs to notify rightful owners. He wrote, “It could well result in additional claims of monies that would otherwise flow into the general fund.”
Wow. Cobalt that is an amazing find. No fricking way.
How in the heck do they justify this kind of thing in court?
Are state is such a massive fraud?
Heck, why stop with 1 year on unclaimed property. You leave your house for more than a week and it’s fair game.
This is so bannana republic.
This has been well know in CA for over a 1 year thanks to Tom McClintock…there are many many horror stories…in one case the CA state sold off Berkshire stocks from a seized account of a deceased widow.
“Today in California, no one’s property is safe. When a family sets aside an investment for college or retirement, it may be in for a nasty surprise just three years later. After a lifetime running a small shop, Benny and Sally Fong could have retired on their shares of Warren Buffett’s holding company, Berkshire Hathaway, that had grown in value to more than $1 million. But when they tried to redeem their nest egg, they discovered the state Controller’s Office had sold the shares – for just $171,000.
When a widow returns to her bank safe deposit box after several years to retrieve her precious heirlooms, she is likely to discover that the controller has already looted it, shredded her family photos and auctioned off anything of monetary value. That’s exactly what happened to Carla Ruff, whose great-grandmother’s jewelry (appraised at more than $80,000) was taken straight out of her safe deposit box by the controller and sold on eBay for $1,700. Critical financial documents she desperately needed to prepare her dying husband’s estate had been shredded.”
Wednesday, July 18, 2007
California Focus: How Californians are being escheated:
http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/property-state-controller-1770504-office-years
California became so addicted to spending people’s money,
Sounds JUST like the good ol US of A FED.
Greaaaaaaaaaat. Just great.
See the 20/20 report on proposed Healthcare legislation that got John Stossel fired:
http://tinyurl.com/maczlq
Interesting. Why do most countries with universal health care have higher satisfaction rates with their systems than we do?
Going to watch when I get home. I wonder if that has to do with if you are a payer for the care or receiver of the care?
Also we have been talking apples and oranges in healthcare and insurance.
Do we want private healthcare and government insurance or government run healthcare?
Also noted, as I contended many days ago, the number of people likely effected by the public option was small. I believe they said something like 2.5% of the population.
You have to look at Medicare/medicaid as well and what the eligibility rules are
The big fish in all of this was insurance reform. However, we also seemed to find that profit was pretty small there as well.
One would guess the primary cost drivers are elsewhere in the system and our focus isn’t correct. My guesses at major costs in the healthcare systems…
1. Trauma care… we probably have the best in the world
Exotic procedures… like fetal surgery
2. Drug costs… we are the leading producer of new drugs but not compounds and other precursors. Everytime we get a good set of drugs, foreign countries never pay their fair share by declaring a humanitarian emergency.
3. End of life procedures with minimal benifts
4. Medical school costs… excess loans drive costs up… just like house prices
5. Exotic technology… oh we probably break the bank on stuff like MRI machines
6. Legal costs… lawsuits… what would we do without these. Of course we are the ones suing each other so no one to blame but us.
7. hospital administration costs
These are off the top of my head guesses. It would be an interesting breakdown though.
Maybe I would get surprised in all of this.
As usual, I’d note that we have pricing problems and not actual resource problems. There are some people not getting care and that is appaling and something we need to work on. However, the pricing problems make this very problematic. Additionally the number of people not getting care are small.
My guess is that government intervention in medical field will cause further distortions in prices, just like everything else. The measures will probably be largely inflationary and possibly unevenly applied picking winners in the system. Again these kind of things tend to fall on the middle class heavily.
foreign countries never pay their fair share by declaring a humanitarian emergency.
Hmmm, do I smell bs?
And some of those others, like med school costs? students pay for those costs, no? If everyone went for free, you could present that argument, but?..not so much.
“GM plans 10,000 job cuts at Opel”
And the Germans don’t like it. Hmmm. Let’s see, Daimler left Chrysler for dead. Payback? what comes around goes around….