HBB Rates The Media: North East
The second look at rating the media and the housing bubble turns to the northeast. First, the good:
Concord Monitor in New Hampshire, May 2005. “Whatever happened to the $150,000 home? Not too long ago, you could buy a nice house for that kind of money. Today? Not in Concord. ‘Today, $150,000 is typically a very run-down ranch on a very small lot outside of town,’ Jim Knowlton, an agent in Concord said. ‘You’re looking at an old farmhouse that’s ready to fall down in Andover, a New Englander in Franklin. There’s a Grizzly Adams home on 40 acres in Danbury that sold for $110,000.’”
“‘It’s really a game of patience, being alert and ready when the house comes up,’ said Brenda Perkins Anukem, an agent with Kathleen Gallagher Family Realty. Anukem said at least three of her recent homebuyers decided to use an 80/20 mortgage. ‘That’s becoming more and more common. I’ve only seen it for the last year and a half. It’s just an option that keeps their payment cost down so it helps them afford a little more house. Not that it doesn’t scare me.’”
“But for many starting out, getting a home for less than $200,000 isn’t simply a goal - it’s a must. While median home prices grew nearly 14 percent between 2001 and 2003, salaries only inched up 1.4 percent, according to a statewide report on affordable housing. Mary Downes, director of education at the Concord Area Trust for Community Housing, said the $150,000 threshold is an important one because it’s what most average working people can afford. To make the jump from $150,000 to $200,000 means an extra $300 a month in mortgage payments.”
‘Caught in the gap, Downes said, are ’single-income families, whether they’re married with one person staying home, or a single mom and young people.’ ‘More and more people are being shoved out of the market, which means people in the market are paying more than they should in terms of their monthly budgets,’ she said. ‘Then people start making not-so-smart decisions about the kind of mortgages they get.’”
The Boston Herald, April, 2005. “Dorchester and Roxbury homeowners defaulting on mortgages rose 35 percent over the past year, said Anderson, of The Real Estate Analyst. And Dorchester single-family and condo prices are falling after record highs last year. Dorchester single-family home prices dropped during the same period to $320,000 from $370,000, while condo prices slid to $245,000 from $265,000.”
“An economist from the University of Massachusetts at Boston, documented in a recent study that found a 60 percent rise in so-called subprime lending in Boston neighborhoods. ‘There is a whole confluence of factors,’ said Anderson, a longtime Dorchester homeowner. ‘We’ve hit the wall.’”
Newsday in New York, May 2005. “Barbara Corcoran is even more of a symbol of the city’s obsession with real estate now. She’s on ‘Good Morning America’ and the ‘Today’ show advising people how to buy and sell. By September she hopes to host a weekly real estate show on national television. A newsletter from a group of Prudential downtown Manhattan brokers said recently, ‘You heard it here first: The market is slowing down and pretty significantly too.’ One of those brokers says people are reducing ‘really extreme asking prices’ for high-end apartments but that the market’s still strong.”
“Corcoran concedes there are periods when housing markets drop. Over a 3 1/2 year period beginning in 1987, city prices dropped about 32 percent. She admits there are some people who risk getting hurt badly in this housing boom.’Is it dangerous to be a flipper if you don’t have an educated eye? It’s ridiculous,’ she says.”
“Her advice? If you’re a seller, underprice your property by 10 percent and you’ll set off a buying ‘frenzy.’ If you’re a buyer, overbid to get the property you want, and the rising tide of the real estate market will protect you.’”
From Curbed.com in New York. “i just spent more than 24 hours camping out on the street to buy a condo…that’s what it takes this days to buy a condo pre-construction. i showed up at 9:30am on saturday morning for a sunday 11:00am..offering and was the THIRD person on the line…i had gone to walk around the neighborhood to reassure myself it was ok to buy so lost a spot on the line….crazy stuff happend through thte night too. we got eggs thrown at us from peole at 147 front street (where the sales office is located).”
“hundreds of people asked ‘what are you doing in sleeping bags on the sidelwalk in the middle of the day?’ and then laughed at us.”
The New York Post, March 2005. “Investors are so eager to get their hands on New York City commercial real estate that they’re driving up prices beyond what the rent rolls would justify…Average asking rents in office buildings were $47 a square foot last year, compared to $59 in 2001..there could well be some element of speculative buying.’”
“WRONG-WAY GREENSPAN STRIKES AGAIN…’These rate hikes are really a joke anyway. Even as he’s pretending to tighten credit through these rate increases, the Fed has actually been allowing the nation’s money supply to grow rapidly at more than 5 percent over the last year. If all that money is available, it’s going to be put to use — creating the next bubble.”
“The winner, I think, will be the housing bubble. If all these rate hikes finally take hold over a short period of time they will deflate home prices just in time for Greenspan’s Farewell Apology.”
The bad:
Indy Eastside in New York, May 2005. “George Simpson of Suffolk Research Service said, ‘Just close your eyes, buy some vacant land anywhere out here, and you can make an almost unbelievable profit. You can’t make one-tenth of this kind of return on investment with any other speculation.’”
“Chris Chapin of Prudential in East Hampton: ‘When you have people who don’t care what they have to pay for a parcel of land, they just want it, that affects prices.”
“Realtor Joe Kazickas; ‘What percentage of property owners do you know who can afford to buy the houses they live in now? I would guess the answer is about 30%. What’s going to happen in 20 years when the baby boom generation starts dying off? What happens when we are on the backside of that bubble? No one knows. But there won’t be the buyer base then that there is now.’”
The New York Times, May 2005. “‘In the last five years it seems like everyone wants to be a broker,’ said Diane Saatchi, a senior vice president for Corcoran . ‘There’s not enough time on the part of the senior brokers to really do the proper training because many of us are too busy making money.’”
“The National Association of Realtors says its membership has swelled to 1.1 million now from 766,560 in 2000, a rise of 46 percent. In Manhattan the number of brokers and sales agents has jumped 42 percent, to 26,220, in the same period.”
The Journal News in New York, April 2005. “The inability of buyers to afford houses appears to increase the demand for lower-priced condominiums and cooperative apartments, pushing those prices up as well. That’s what happened in Orange County. As potential buyers were priced out of what they wanted, they bid up lower quality homes. It really is just a mind game to convince yourself that the $300,000 house is now ‘worth’ $500,000.”
“The affordability of co-ops led Kyana Kelley to bid on a one-bedroom apartment for $90,000. She said she hoped to close in the next few weeks. Kelley, age 30, figures to sell the apartment and trade up in a few years on continued price strength. ‘It’s going to keep rising,’ she said.”
“Agent Bobby Palazzo said demand in Putnam was being fueled by people moving up from the Bronx, White Plains and Yonkers. ‘You can still get something decent up here for under five,’ Palazzo said, meaning $500,000. ‘Unfortunately,’ he added.”
The Boston Globe, March 2005. “Between 1997 and 2004, homeowners under the age of 25 jumped 11 percent; and now these youths make up one-quarter of all property owners in the Northeast. ‘I am young and property values are soaring,’ said 19-year-old Rayford Kelley, who bought a $560,000 fixer-upper in Roxbury with no money down. He had trouble leasing several units after he forced out tenants who refused to pay rent. Kelley agreed to lease one apartment to friends…He’s already worried about the number of visitors coming through the house, into which he has put more than $10,000 in repairs, but doesn’t want to say anything to his friends.”
“25 year old Paul Phadungchai said he probably overspent with $50,000 in renovations that include a whirlpool tub and granite kitchen countertops. ‘For a kid like me who had college taken care of and was able to save money a lot of the time, not being able to save money ever is really a life change. It’s all gone and now all I’m stuck with is a huge mortgage. You have to really think about that.’”
From CNBC, April 2005. “He’s a roofer and she owns a hair salon, and now Paul and Caren Matera are applying their entrepreneurial skills to New York’s red-hot housing market. After attending a $3,000 real estate seminar, last July the Materas bought a little bungalow on Long Island. They sold it two months later and made a 50 percent profit. Since then, the couple has taken equity from their own home and invested in a half dozen properties now worth over $1 million — much of it pre-construction properties in red hot Florida developments.”
“So far, Paul and Caren Matera haven’t seen any slip-ups in their real estate investments, but that doesn’t mean the roofer isn’t losing sleep over his retirement dreams. ‘Every time you close on a deal, you lie in bed worrying at night,’ said Paul Matera. ‘I don’t know how my wife sleeps at night. She sleeps pretty soundly while I’m lying there awake.’”
“Most of these Californian real-estate investors are looking for investments beyond the Golden Gate. Group member Tessie Cuy says she can buy real estate outside California for less than in her own home town. And Doug Boggs, another investment club member, says he is focusing on investments in the Sun Belt region: The southern and southwestern states of the U.S. ‘Florida, Arizona and Vegas — that’s where everybody else is going too. It’s kind of like the stock market, really,’ said Boggs.”
“That sort of attitude worries William J. Poorvu, a former Harvard Business School professor . ‘If you think you’re just buying a lottery ticket and putting down the amount of money you’re willing to lose, that’s one thing,’ said Poorvu. ‘If you’re investing your savings in something like this, I think you are making a mistake.’”
Market observers, the best: “Appraisers say there is pressure on them to inflate home values, and there is concern that if people pay too much for their homes it could lead to more foreclosures if housing prices tumble. A recent survey of 500 appraisers found that 55 percent of them personally feel pressured by sellers, agents, and even lenders to inflate home values by 10 percent. And one-third of the appraisers surveyed said they fear losing business if they don’t comply.”
“Jonathan Miller, CEO of an appraisal company in Manhattan, said he thinks 75 percent of appraisals are inflated. ‘The people who are paid on commission probably won’t be there when those problems come in the future.’”
You decide, May 2005: “The gap between income and Massachusetts home prices is the widest since the peak of the 1980s housing bubble, and that gap, intensified by rising interest rates, should cause home prices to dip later this year..declining about 3 percent. ‘It’s not going anything like the ’80s, but there’s going to be a correction,’ said Alan Clayton-Matthews, of the University of Massachusetts. ‘There has to.’”
“According to the Massachusetts Association of Realtors…the state’s median single family home price rose 11.9 percent to about $346,000 while the median condominium price rose 14.5 percent to about $265,000. John Dulczewski, spokesman for the association, said the group expects home sales to slow and prices to moderate this year, but not to fall. Even though mortgage rates are likely to rise, an improving economy and job market should continue to spark demand.”
“He added that supply remains tight. Last year, the state had only a 6.6-month supply of homes, compared to 8 months in a so-called balanced market when supply and demand are about equal. In 1996, shortly before the housing market began its recovery, the state had a 9.4-month supply. ‘We are still calling for price appreciation,’ Dulczewski said. ‘The supply just hasn’t kept up with demand.’”
“Economist Mark Zandi said, ‘The housing market is through the roof, way outside anything we’ve seen historically. The longer it goes on, the more significant a correction we’ll see.’ Zandi said the housing market, fueled by low interest rates, is becoming increasingly speculative in many metropolitan markets, including Boston. This means buyers, instead of basing decisions on fundamentals, are betting that prices will rise, leading them to stretch their finances and take out risky, short-term mortgages that are vulnerable to interest-rate increases.”
“In California, for example, two-thirds of mortgages in the first three months of the year were interest-only adjustable rate mortgages.”
May 2005, “Zandi said he’s worried about the vulnerability of the mortgage-backed securities industry, where hedge funds and other investors have made huge bets. That derivative industry funds many mortgages for home buyers, particularly for low-equity loans. Problems in the mortgage-backed securities market could result in a credit crunch for would-be home buyers.”
“‘If things continue on as they are for another year or even six months, the potential for price declines is that much greater and the risk to the economy is much more significant,’ Zandi said.”
“Yale University economist Robert Shiller, ‘I think this is actually the biggest [real estate] bubble in U.S. history and possibly even world history,’ he said in a telephone interview yesterday (May 23rd).”
Professor Bear’s editorial suggestions:
“Her advice? If you’re a seller, underprice your property by 10 percent and you’ll set off a buying ‘frenzy.’ If you’re a buyer, overbid to get the property you want, and the rising tide of the real estate
markettsunami willprotectengulf you.’”Morning PB,
It almost makes me laugh when looking back and
realizing how few actually saw things as they really were, a very real Potemkin moment. 2nd cup.
I feel the same way, and then I think back to all of the debates and arguments I got into with people over the issue. I might be alone here, but not one of those people came back to tell me I was right. In fact, many of them now acknowledge that prices can fall but still refuse to accept basic economics and admit that they can fall farther still.. or accept the underlying causes and move towards reform.
“I might be alone here, but not one of those people came back to tell me I was right.”
It’s much easier on the ego to call someone a kook or to say they wear a tinfoil hat than to admit they were right and you were a fool.
‘accept the underlying causes’
This is the problem, isn’t it? We just had a presidential election and I don’t recall the term housing bubble or mania ever being mentioned, even though it is the root cause of the biggest financial problem in our lifetimes.
Who’s to blame? Politicians and the media, IMO. Which is one reason I think it’s important to look back at the media’s coverage, and who was saying what, when. Maybe it will sink into some of these thick skulls what the heck we are up against.
For instance, how does Zandi get away with advocating price supports when he plainly saw this coming in 2005? Or Shiller - how does he square this last comment above with some lame government attempt to stop a bubble from collapsing?
I actually saw at another blog where someone from my side of the political fence accused the Dems of “talking down” the economy to get their guy elected. Like they caused it by all the negativity.
BS. Neither side saw it coming, and plenty of them still have the Kudlow blinders on. I was listening and watching very closely after I found HBB in 2007 and it was all R/D talking points, business as usual.
“Who’s to blame? Politicians and the media, IMO.”
Don’t leave out the economics profession, whose membership has been, with a few notable exceptions, largely asleep at the wheel.
To call Zandi “a flaming pile of dogs–t” is an insult to flaming piles of dogs–t the world over.
To call Barbara Corcoran “human” is an insult to humanity.
To call our government law abiding is to spit in the face to our founding fathers.
Don’t caca on Barbara, she’s got a cute little tush.Plus, she can still go back to being a secretary!
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
Arthur Schopenhauer
In which stage of Schopenhauer’s truth discovery process do we currently reside?
I’m thinking in between the 2nd and 3rd. As noted above by bink I see a fair amount of people who accept that there was a bubble (no duh) but still oppose the idea that tthings could get worse.
“But not one of those people came back to tell me I was right.”
Maybe “those people” [ swindlers ] are locked up in the pokey.
“I might be alone here.” Don’t worry! I have a feeling they’re very alone in their jail cell.
It reminds me of squirrels. By the way, what ever happened to ‘Casey’ ?
What ever happened to sellers who wrote into the contract that buyers would have to come back “to feed the squirrels.”
I copied this very quote during my first read through this thread - it was that much of a howler.
No wonder Barbara doesn’t get any love around here.
I also really like these words of wisdom…..
The people who are paid on commission probably won’t be there when those problems come in the future.
Good point.
A few years ago, I read a story on the F-ed Company website. It was written by some guy who was out shopping for a cell phone.
Turns out that the cell phone store guy was someone he’d dealt with earlier. The guy had been some sort of snooty sales rep in one of those oh-so-cool-and-expensive Web shops.
You know, the kind that wouldn’t condescend to deal with you unless you bought into their “leveraging the stickiness of the website” BS. (Yes, people really talked that way a few years ago.)
After the dotcom boom went bust, the Web shop went under. Which meant that our snooty sales rep was reduced to hawking cell phones at the mall.
Since Barbara has so much credibility, maybe she should switch professions.
I think she should be a lobbyist for the American Tobacco Association.
“Zandi said he’s worried about the vulnerability of the mortgage-backed securities industry, where hedge funds and other investors have made huge bets. That derivative industry funds many mortgages for home buyers, particularly for low-equity loans. Problems in the mortgage-backed securities market could result in a credit crunch for would-be home buyers.”
In retrospect, it seems like Zandi had nothing to worry about, as the Fed has proven itself quite capable of pumping liquidity into the mortgage market. There is no need for a mortgage-backed securities market as a source of mortgage loans, so long as the Fed’s printing press is up to the task.
I am thinking the next big leg down in the stock market is destined to occur during the post-Wall Street bonus season. If the market crashes early in 2010, then bounces up by another rally in the circa 50 percent range by the end of the year, Wall Street scam artists will be able to use the same justification they are using currently when next year’s outsized bonuses have to be explained.
BTW, doesn’t “decrease further” imply lower now than previously?
Nov. 5, 2009, 9:15 a.m. EST
2009 bonuses set to rise at big investment banks: survey
By John Spence, MarketWatch
BOSTON (MarketWatch) — Wall Street employees specializing in stock and fixed-income markets will see their 2009 bonuses jump from last year along with rebounding markets, according to a report released Thursday projecting incentive compensation in the financial-services industry.
Rising incentive compensation from last year’s depressed levels is likely to fuel the public backlash over bonuses at Wall Street firms that have received hundreds of billions of dollars of federal aid and guarantees.
“Incentive compensation for major investment and commercial banking firms is projected to significantly increase year-over-year,” Johnson Associates Inc. said in its survey.
“While the asset-management industry is stabilizing, incentive compensation will decrease further off of 2008 lows,” the report said.
“The pace of economic recovery, industry activity, repayment of government funds, and evolving legislation are key bonus drivers for 2009.”
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Wow, the flashback to the headlines of yesterday is amazing. While it has slowed down a little where I’m at, prices haven’t returned to normal. Sometimes you will see a $60K below city assessment or the like, but still way above median household incomes. But rents are pretty high too, so it makes buying look better.
The mid-Atlantic review is going to be a hoot. It’s next, BTW.
Most people have extreme cognitive biases and emotions, especially when it comes to their thought processes involving their houses and personal finances. It is quite difficult to reason with them.
Severe Pain, on the other hand, usually manages to get their attention at some point only because… Pain Hurts !
Let’s see how the FIRE gang, FB’ers and taxpayers HANDLE the brick walls of massive negative equity and Severe Pain into 3Q 2012.
It’s only just begun…
The mid-Atlantic review? Oh, cool!
Can’t wait to see what you have to say about the Philadelphia area, where Slim’s mom still thinks that house prices are ridiculous.
What a refreshing stroll down Memory Lane. Thanks Ben, I really enjoyed that little compilation!
Of late I’ve come to terms with our little 3 branch local bank failure. I really have. When you finally come to realize these guys were really nothing but crooks to begin with, a calm comes over you. They never really -were- in the financial services arena and likely would have operated in the same manner regardless of what they were running.
But this was there for the taking so WTF? To some that may sound like so much rationalizing but in the end, “you can’t sue me for malpractice ( I’m not even a doctor! )” comes to mind.
My big hope is that we can have a double-dip for RE and somehow manage to avoid the same for the broader economy. Not to make more of it than it really merits, but like VA & NJ, I think there’s finally enough momentum out there that people have connected the dots. It’s better to have a job and rent a home than to be stuck with a mortgage and not have a job. IMHO.
Its already happening in the broader economy, its there in plain sight, and there is no way to stop it. The free money the fed is spreading around is creating an asset bubble in stocks and commodities that may very well dwarf the RE bubble. It is bound to burst sometime in the next two to five years. Its just absolutely amazing that the powers that be cannot understand that.
The truth is they probably do understand it, are terribly frightened by it, but don’t have any politically expedient way of dealing with it. If they take a hands off approach, let the economy adjust naturally, there would likely be twice the level of unemployment there is now, and the equity markets would likely be lower than they were last March.
Over the long term, that would be the best course of action, but as political animals they are very much short term thinkers. Let the chips fall where they normally would and no politician would survive thier next election.
So that leaves those of us that have managed to squirril away a few hundred thousand K for retirement in a real quandry. We see the light at the end of the tunnel, know full well that it is the afternoon express coming at us and don’t have a clue how to get the hell out of the way. Frustrating to say the least.
Maybe those that spent everything they ever had a couple of times over really were the smart ones.
“spent everything they ever had a couple of times over”
Americans? Nah…
Long time posters here well recall the NAR MAD Project ( be ‘careful’ what you wish for..? ) mutually assured destruction threats! I’ve no doubt there’s a lot of liquidity sloshing around out there and we have NO business w/ the DOW @ 10k.
Still, one can ‘hope’? None of us should lose a lot of sleep worrying about the boomer’s exodus from equity mkts. ( I think it’s safe to say that’s more or less happened? ) And look for a bevy of new “product” roll outs starting in January that are tailored to their needs for growth while ’somehow’ creating an income stream! Why I can hardly wait.
None of us should lose a lot of sleep worrying about the boomer’s exodus from equity mkts.
It’s not that, it’s the inflation..yeah we’re out already, out bigtime.
“it’s the inflation”
Well let’s see..? Inflation + FIXED Income = ..?
You know though, and I’m just offering this in the most open-minded of ways, but I’m kind of done losing sleep over that too.
PB and many others here have posted link.., after link… clearly showing just how flat/stagnant/screwed wages have been for those of us NOT on a fixed income! It’s pretty irrefutable ( it’s been going on for years? ) How are today’s wage earners any better off than coupon clippers?
Of late I’ve come to terms with our little 3 branch local bank failure. I really have. When you finally come to realize these guys were really nothing but crooks to begin with, a calm comes over you. They never really -were- in the financial services arena and likely would have operated in the same manner regardless of what they were running.
Sounds like they fit William K. Black’s description of a control fraud. Which, in a nutshell, is fraud perpetrated by those who run companies. See Enron and Tyco for cases in point.
“control fraud”
Well put! Let’s see..?
(1) Start bank ( with the best of ‘intentions’ ) at the Dawn of the Bubble w/ start-up cap. from locals.
(2) Quickly abandon business ‘plan’ to lend to local businesses and instead lend to any “builder” w/ a pulse.
(3) Compensate self comfortably thankyouverymuch!
(4) Lever hyped stock holdings as an “asset”.
(5) Borrow for -further- RE specuvestment.
(6) Extend further LOC’s to builders that aren’t making payments. ( All the while keeping this from rank & file shareholders )
(7) Ignore sternly worded WARNINGS from FDIC & state regulators. Ramp up RE holdings.
(8) Lawyer-UP to weather coming storm and ride it out.
(9) Let chips fall where they may and blame it all on “rogue” mortgage broker. Keep winnings as it’s hard to -prove- deliberate malfeasance!
Yep, sounds like “control fraud” to ME!
Arizona Slim,
http://bizcovering.com/management/the-control-fraud-theory/
Really quick read but it gives you all the basics. Makes all the right distinctions between honest ( but unlucky ) risk-takers and CEO’s that ‘control’ everything from surrounding themselves w/ yes men during the hiring process to choosing the auditing firm etc.
It was a little later, but this one from Gothamist will always be my favorite:
http://gothamist.com/2006/03/29/real_estate_bub.php
March 2006, housing bubble reaches $1 million crackhouse phase.
“A couple of years from now, after the American real estate market has utterly collapsed, we may well look back at this day as a kind of high-water mark, the spot where the insanity peaked and then rolled back. Curbed broke the story yesterday– a crackhouse in South Williamsburg that has been flipped twice in the last six months, and is now being sold for about a million dollars.”
“Now, does anyone else think is just redonkulously insane? How can anyone look at evidence like this and NOT conclude that a full fledged real estate mania is currently in swing and approaching its peak? How can anyone expect to buy this place, put in $1m worth of renovation, and make a profit? How can someone sell this building at this price with anything approaching a straight face? GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!”
Three years later in teh Williamsburg neighborhood of Brooklyn:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/lots_of_woe_in_burg_dxLJqqedO0OiIHrpZNwq2O
“Williamsburg is ground zero in the growing scourge of stalled construction that has left the neighborhood littered with 18 vacant lots and rusting steel building frames — more than in all of The Bronx, The Post has learned. Block after block in the trendy Brooklyn community and a few adjacent streets in Greenpoint have been declared stalled construction sites by the city.”
“Williamsburg is ground zero in the growing scourge of stalled construction that has left the neighborhood littered with 18 vacant lots and rusting steel building frames — more than in all of The Bronx, The Post has learned. Block after block in the trendy Brooklyn community and a few adjacent streets in Greenpoint have been declared stalled construction sites by the city.”
There’s a similar example within a mile and a half of the Arizona Slim Ranch. Christian education building that had belonged to a Baptist church.
Baptist congregation disbanded, and the church property changed hands. It’s now a nondenominational Hispanic church.
Christian ed building was sold to a condo developer, and the plan was to convert it into $600k condos. In Tucson, Arizona. On 6th Avenue at 5th Street. Not one of our more prestigious neighborhoods.
Well, that condo plan has gone next-to-nowhere. The building was gutted, but it’s been sitting there for about a year.
It’s become quite the graffiti magnet, and, from what I can see from the outside, a real happening hangout for the homeless. (Let’s just say that the chain link fencing surrounding the building has been breached in several places.)
There’s a blog called newyorkshitty.com that has some entertaining pics of the Greenpoint / Williamsburg area.
“From CNBC, April 2005. “He’s a roofer and she owns a hair salon, and now Paul and Caren Matera are applying their entrepreneurial skills to New York’s red-hot housing market. After attending a $3,000 real estate seminar, last July the Materas bought a little bungalow on Long Island. They sold it two months later and made a 50 percent profit. Since then, the couple has taken equity from their own home and invested in a half dozen properties now worth over $1 million — much of it pre-construction properties in red hot Florida developments.””
Gawd - the good old days!!!
Wow those are some doozies….
What’s interesting is the MSM seemingly seamlessly slithered its way from bullish to bearish yet the general public still suffers from mild cases of backpedalling to chronic and severe delusion.
I had a conversation with a low life realtor (aren’t they all low lifes?) last nite who is a fellow Friend of Bills. I hadn’t seen him since 2006 and he’s no longer slinging shacks. But now, he’s chock full of wisdom and bucolic bull$hit about the entire bubble and collapse. Of course he attempts to reframe everything by saying he was ethical, honest, blah blah blah and it was the buyers who were corrupt. I challenged him on the investment lie and he began throwing numbers around and not including carrying costs so my retort include those things he conveniently left out. Watching him shuck, jive, duck and weave to avoid getting hit by the facts was quite entertaining.
exeter,
And not necessarily all that ‘fun’ to observe? Yes, they’re all getting quite adept at the old two-step acting as if they were simply on for the ride!
Our local realtwhores ( as usual ) take their marching orders from on high, so they’re just regurgitating what they’ve been fed. It’s pretty obvious they feel guilty about the mess they’ve created ( at least from a personal liability standpoint ) and are tap dancing to distance themselves from it. Still though, while we’ve legions that haven’t renewed, can’t say as I’ve noticed any that have left town?
I was only looking at a condo to lease.
The re person, “just come with me for a few hrs and I can show you lots of great things to buy, it has never been such a good time to buy”
Ex:
And they all were “earning” 6 figure salaries yet did you know of any that saved it all and then retired to a paid off house? Maybe i should learn how to shuck jive and weave then get hired in the next bubble, i’ll be rich. I’m cheap and I don’t need no stinkin million dollar home to show my uh manhood.
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Watching him shuck, jive, duck and weave to avoid getting hit by the facts was quite entertaining.
Of course he attempts to reframe everything by saying he was ethical, honest, blah blah blah and it was the buyers who were corrupt. I challenged him on the investment lie and he began throwing numbers around and not including carrying costs so my retort include those things he conveniently left out. Watching him shuck, jive, duck and weave to avoid getting hit by the facts was quite entertaining.
Aw, Exeter. There you go with that “challenging the UHS” thing.
If this guy goes back out again, it will be your fault (typed with big grin).
Brother…. I’ve heard lamer excuses.
From the Boston Globe article, ” ‘I am young and property values are soaring,’ said 19-year-old Rayford Kelley, who bought a $560,000 fixer-upper in Roxbury with no money down.”
I decided to see what Rayford is up to now and it looks like both father and son are in various stages of foreclosure. http://www.masslandrecords.com (select Suffolk County)
I don’t understand why there is little to no talk of reigning in leverage. I can trade online with 10X leverage as an individual with no qualifications (not that I do), and we still have institutions making investments and issuing derivatives with many times that leverage.
How does it make sense to allow anyone to wager more money than they can ever pay back in the event of even a small market decline? Since every market declines eventually, the hyper-leverage amounts to the government giving the green light to large scale financial disaster. And yet I only hear talk about listing things more clearly on exchanges, or limiting employee pay. Here’s a novel idea for financial reform - require people to supply collateral when borrowing. How much smaller would the bubble have been if AIG couldn’t issue insurance on securities at 100X leverage?
Griz, is this yours?