The Falling Knives That No One Wants To Catch
It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “As City Manager Penelope Culbreth-Graft grapples with the biggest financial crisis to hit Colorado Springs in decades, she faces a financial quagmire of her own, brought on by the impending foreclosure of her $1.25 million California beachfront property. She’s also delinquent on that home’s property taxes and is being sued over its second mortgage. Their problems began in September 2004, when the couple bought the beachfront property four months after Culbreth-Graft was named Huntington Beach’s city administrator. They paid $1,259,000 for the gated-community home.”
“The couple took out two loans on the 2,456-square-foot house: a 30-year loan for $990,000 at 5.875 percent interest, which could reset and cap in 10 years at 10.875 percent, and a $143,100 revolving line of credit. About a year later, the couple refinanced, taking out a 40-year loan for $1,141,000 and paying off the original two loans. In July 2006, the couple got another loan, borrowing $250,000. By April 2009, things were looking bleak. She and her husband failed to pay $7,070 in property taxes on the Huntington Beach house and by August owed $8,133 with interest charges. On Aug. 21, San Diego County Credit Union began foreclosure proceedings, noting the couple was behind $36,659 in payments on the $1,141,000 loan.”
“In the only interview Culbreth-Graft has given on her financial situation, she said by phone last week, ‘My husband and I have basically lost everything for coming here. If we’d known the global economy was going to collapse, we would have done a lot of things differently, no question about it. I don’t like being cagey and nontransparent, and I wish I could scream from the top of the hills why this is going on, but I can’t do that yet.’”
“Andrew Wilkinson’s Oakland Park home is an oasis. With lush landscaping and private hedges, Wilkinson transformed a house that needed some work into a home. But it might not be his home for much longer. In February, Wilkinson lost his job as a tax accountant when the major corporation he worked for downsized.”
“‘It gives you sort of a feeling of helplessness, sometimes you feel worthless,’ Wilkinson told CBS4’s Carey Codd. ‘I have been depressed. Up and down. It’s been a hard, hard time.’”
“Wilkinson has not paid his mortgage since he was laid-off. He has tried to negotiate with his lender to work out a loan modification but he said he’s been unsuccessful. ‘I think the lenders need to be held more accountable,’ Wilkinson said.”
“The Federal Housing Administration’s financial cushion has fallen to a dangerously low level. About 17 percent of FHA borrowers are at least one payment behind or in foreclosure, compared with 13 percent for all loans, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association. Since the collapse of the subprime lending market, the government has taken up the slack. The FHA has insured nearly a quarter of all new loans made this year, and about half of all loans to first-time homebuyers this year.”
“‘If we didn’t have FHA out there, it would be a very different landscape,’ said Peter Thompson, a loan officer with Wintrust Mortgage in Downers Grove, Ill. ‘Most of these first-time homebuyers who are really the ones keeping things going right now wouldn’t qualify at all.’”
“Since he was a young boy, Ricardo Velasco was told by his parents that he needed to own a home. For Velasco, a 25-year-old Toppenish resident, it was tough to find an affordable home in the right area. But when he heard about the federal tax credit for first-time homebuyers, he decided to start looking. Velasco and his wife, America, and their three daughters, expect to close on their first home later this month and move in just in time for the holidays.”
“Velasco ended up finding a two-bedroom, one bathroom house for $74,000. Velasco plans to use the money he gained from the tax credit to do some remodeling on the house . ‘he $8,000 did really push us to get the house,’ he said.”
“For several years, sales activity for Yakima County’s higher-priced homes was partially driven by buyers from areas like Seattle or California. Those buyers could buy higher-end homes in the Yakima area because they sold a modest home for much higher prices at their previous residence. ‘That has stopped,’ said Chris Nass of Rose & Associates. ‘Because of the economic climate, (out-of-town buyers) can’t sell those homes for big bucks in the communities where they’re coming from.’”
“In Gold Beach, on the south Oregon coast, there are 18 pending sales this November compared to zero pending sales a year ago. ‘Since the middle of September the real estate market has just exploded,’ said a local Realtor. ‘Most of the summer the homes that were being looked at were the homes around $200,000 where first-time buyers finally felt that the prices were low enough that they could finally afford a home.’”
“Trisha Peters said it was a mixture of reasons - from family to a desire to change home styles - that prompted her to put her Des Moines home on the market. The tax credits made the decision easier. Peters expects her home will appeal to first-time buyers, and her $6,500 credit will help if she’s unable to get what she paid for her condo.”
“‘My home is worth less than it was two or three years ago, but the homes I’m looking at are priced lower, too. So, things even out. It’s really a perfect storm for buyers,’ said Peters.”
“In Bakersfield, Calif., where more than half of mortgages are upside down, there is a limit to what the new tax credit can do for existing homeowners who want to step up, said Raul Rodriguez, a mortgage broker in Bakersfield. ‘Obviously they’d have to sell their old house before they could buy a new one, and a lot of people can’t sell their homes right now,’ Rodriguez told the Bakersfield Californian.”
“To get a sense of where foreclosures may head from here, economist Patrick Newport points to Fannie Mae’s serious delinquency rates, which track loans mostly made to well-qualified borrowers. The serious delinquency rate hit 4.45 percent for single-family-home loans in August, up sharply from 4.17 percent in July and just 1.57 a year earlier. ‘That number keeps on growing, and the monthly increments keep getting bigger,’ Newport says. ‘I am almost sure that the foreclosure rate is going to continue to rise.”"
“These days, the primary driver of home foreclosures isn’t exotic mortgage products but the nation’s dismal labor market. And with the unemployment rate hitting 10.2 percent last month, job losses will continue sending homeowners into foreclosure. ‘I don’t think that foreclosures are going to peak until the unemployment rate does,’ Newport says.”
“Rising unemployment also highlights a gaping hole in the Obama administration’s housing rescue. Homeowners need an income stream in order to qualify for a modification, which makes anyone who can’t pay their mortgage because of a job loss ineligible. But borrowers facing foreclosure after losing a job are increasingly at the heart of today’s housing crisis. The administration’s initiative ‘was not designed to address foreclosures caused by unemployment, which now appears to be a central cause of nonpayment,’ a congressional oversight panel said in an October 9 report. ‘It increasingly appears that [the Obama administration's housing rescue] is targeted at the housing crisis as it existed six months ago, rather than as it exists right now.’”
“Two weeks ago, the owners of 5 Spice Fusion and Sushi, a restaurant scheduled to open in December in downtown Bend, advertised that they were hiring for 25 positions. The response? More than 500 applications streamed in, and the owners believe many more would have arrived had they not set a cutoff.”
“Co-owner Lilian Chu said people with dozens of years experience in the industry applied, as well as people who are merely looking for any job they can find. As Chu sorted through the applications and interviewed people, she said she asked them what they wanted to be paid.”
“‘They all said, ‘It doesn’t matter,’ she said, adding that the number of applications amazed her.”
“Commercial real estate — including shopping centers, office buildings and industrial property — will hit a low point in 2010 not seen since the Great Depression, according to a national survey of real estate executives. Values and rents will plunge, and vacancies and defaults will soar across all types of commercial property before the market rebounds slowly, according to the survey and forecast compiled by the Urban Land Institute and PricewaterhouseCoopers LLC.”
“‘2010 looks like an unavoidable bloodbath for a multitude of borrowers, investors and lenders,’ the report said. ‘The shake-out period may extend several years as even some conservative owners with well-underwritten loans from the early 2000s see their equity destroyed.’”
“By the end of next year, the study predicts commercial real estate values nationwide will have fallen an average of 40 percent from their peak in mid-2007. That eclipses the 1990s savings-and-loan crisis. Retail and office properties are likely to undergo the most wrenching problems among commercial properties. While top-tier malls and shopping centers with grocery stores will still attract customers, many struggling malls in secondary markets will not survive, the survey predicts.”
“‘It’s triage time with retail,’ said Jonathon Miller, the report’s author.”
“Strolling down University Avenue, shoppers can easily see there aren’t as many places to shop as there were a year ago. ‘For rent’ signs seem to be multiplying like bunnies — and staying up for months and months. All told, about 16 percent of the 600,000 square feet of space is vacant in the downtown ‘core,’ said Jonathan Goldman, senior vice president of Premier Properties Management, Palo Alto.”
“Sam Arsan of Arsan Realty, which partners with Premier Properties on some downtown listings, has never seen downtown so empty. ‘What we’re going through is unprecedented, in terms of the economy everywhere,’ he said. ‘The level of interest has dropped by a good 70 percent from a year ago.’”
“Goldman said vacancies sometimes occur because businesses become obsolete or marginalized. ‘The Bead Shop is a perfect example,’ he said, noting that much of the bead business is conducted online today.”
“Pointing to downtown vacant storefronts, Goldman said, ‘Some were victims of the economy, others of a changing world. The problem is there’s no new trend.’ In 2001, it was nail salons and yoga studios.”
“‘Other than yogurt, we’re not seeing any growth industry…It’s been bleak,’ he said.”
“Hachette Filipacchi Media announced this week it will cease publishing home décor shelter magazine Metropolitan Home following the December issue…the most recent of several décor magazines to shut down. Unfortunately, the end of these…home décor magazines is part of a distressing trend. As marketing budgets have been cut and competition has increased from online media, magazine owners have been forced to cut costs and close unprofitable titles.”
“For these reasons plus a poor housing market and reduced spending on home décor, we can expect publishers of home magazines to take an increasingly closer look at the future of their décor magazines. Other decorating magazines to close within the last two years include Oprah’s O at Home, Country Home, Cottage Living, House & Garden, Blueprint and Domino.”
“Kai Ryssdal: ‘Back in the boom days of real estate, investors saw potential profits almost every place they looked. Forget houses and commercial real estate. Even apartment buildings where rents were regulated looked like gold mines. Developers paid luxury prices for those buildings, hoping to turn them into cash cows. Now though, those properties aren’t worth near what they sold for.”
“Benjamin Dulchin’s advocacy group has been analyzing data from the SEC and from loan servicers. And they found that many of the developers of rent-regulated buildings in New York — including Vantage — just aren’t making enough money to keep paying their mortgages. Dulchin: ‘This is sort of not just a disaster in the making. This is a disaster that has already happened. And it clearly shows that these buildings are really grossly distressed.’”
“San Joaquin County’s median home price hit a 2009 high point of $170,000 in October. Competition is the driving force behind the 6 percent median home price increase from September’s $160,000 to October’s $170,000, according to Chris Hake, a broker in Stockton. Hake said that as long as banks that own foreclosed homes continue to slowly and methodically release their properties on the market, prices will climb.”
“‘But if we see a flood of foreclosures coming onto the market - and I’m hearing we have anywhere between 6,000 and 10,000 foreclosed homes waiting to be released here - we won’t have enough buyers to absorb all of them,’ Hake said.”
“An expert in the housing industry said Tuesday that the market in this region is turning around. Ken Wenhold, who heads the Chantilly, Va., office for the largest housing industry data firm in the nation, addressed the Frederick County Builders Association. He said the extension of a tax credit for first-time buyers, now including some who have previously owned homes, will improve the industry even more.”
“Wenhold described houses with declining value as ‘the falling knives that no one wants to catch,’ but said the turnaround will end that. ‘People will be getting off the fence,’ he said.”
“Homeowners who are significantly underwater with their mortgages should consider walking away from those, according to Brent T. White, an associate professor at the University of Arizona’s James E. Rogers College of Law.”
“Unlike lenders, individual homeowners have generally not acted to minimize their losses and have born a disproportionate share of the burden from the housing collapse. ‘It is a double standard in our financial world,’ he said. ‘If a corporation was heavily upside-down on a home they would walk in a New-York-second. But then we expect homeowners to stay and honor a contract.’”
“Almost every asset category is up except for long-term U.S. Treasurys and housing. While this widespread rally is a relief to investors and has some fundamental underpinnings many see it as another bubble being inflated by cheap money from the Federal Reserve and other central banks. They also fear it will end like all bubbles - badly.”
“In a healthy capitalistic economy, you have what’s known as creative destruction. Good ideas, companies and industries survive and the bad ones fail. Some asset prices go up, others go down. ‘You are supposed to be rewarded for doing your homework and picking the winners,’ says Axel Merk, president of Merk Mutual Funds. ‘You are not supposed to be rewarded for putting your money into anything and waiting for the prices to go up.’”
“In recent years, that process has been compromised. When the economy sputtered in 2001, the Fed turned on the money spigots. By mid-2003, it had reduced the federal funds rate to 1 percent and kept it there for a year. But when it finally started raising rates in 2004, the economy kept going. Consumers used their houses as piggy banks. Hedge funds leveraged themselves to the hilt to buy assets. Banks created off-balance-sheet vehicles to do business without regulation.”
“When the bust happened, the Fed’s old tools weren’t enough. When lowering the federal funds rate to essentially zero in December didn’t revive the economy, the Fed found new ways to pump money into the system, such as buying $300 billion of Treasury bonds. Other central banks tried similar tactics.”
“Howard Simons, a strategist with Bianco Research, says, ‘It’s idiotic to solve the problem created by one bubble bursting by creating another one.’ But ‘the only tool the Fed knows how to use is credit.’”
“The couple took out two loans on the 2,456-square-foot house: a 30-year loan for $990,000 at 5.875 percent interest, which could reset and cap in 10 years at 10.875 percent, and a $143,100 revolving line of credit.
My first instinct was: wow! pay must be good at city hall! But then I remembered that all you needed back then to get a loan like that was a pulse.
And wWhatever happened to civil servants living in regular houses? I always thought beach front property in SoCal was for the rich.
Many years ago the city manager in Saint John NB lost his home to foreclosure. The city fired him…
Well that is a fair, he had a job so now no job and no home that is fair too.
Go to the link at “desk clearing” and then enlarge the photo of the other house the one she “owns” in Colorado Springs. The city has a population of under 400,000, according to Wikipedia and the entire metro area is about 600,000. That’s a mighty splashy house for a public servant at the medium-size-city level.
But heck, she’s already got the second house, so walking on the first one won’t hurt if she can stick around for seven years. And I’ll bet she knows that CA is non-recourse. “See ya, suckers!”
BTW, what is a credit union, anywhere, doing lending more than $1M on a single family residence? Weren’t credit unions supposed to be community outfits that supported regular folks?
“I wish I could scream from the top of the hills why this is going on, but I can’t yet”
Oh.., I’m sorry, do have some sort “ace in the hole” you’re not ready to reveal just yet? Hmm? Lady, spare us now and spare us ‘later’. Just.., spare us.
How about if we throw her from the top of the hill and listen to her scream on the way down?
Should “take the responsible banker” with her. The big bucks, fees, commissions were all there to simple “pick up”. Just sign a few loan papers and the Christmas tree has many presents to open for the bankers to enjoy. Perhaps this December maybe fewer presents but the bonus is still there to enjoy thanks to Tarp bail out. What a wonderful government we have in place for our taxpaying “serfs” to continue to pay for the WISE decisions our bankers/Washington DC gang did with the SEC/ laws watered down by the lobbying big funds of the bankers. What a Christmas this will be and 2010 watch out!
Probably the “scream” can’t be out loud because it is embarrassing as he ll to admit out loud you were a financial skroo up, for us regular folk, but really embarrassing when you are in the public eye.
Actually it would more likely be a healing- Outing, as many more might come forward and breath easier that they weren’t so smart either.
Less stress all around.
Looks like a 500K house for Colorado Springs. Wouldn’t that be an “entry level” home price in Orange County?
210K a year salary sounds pretty good to me.
Wake up folks. In our town of 37k ppl, the city
manager has a base salary of $145k with perks it
goes to $195k. And this is average.
I stopped reading after:
“taking out a 40-year loan”
‘My husband and I have basically lost everything for coming here. If we’d known the global economy was going to collapse, we would have done a lot of things differently, no question about it. I don’t like being cagey and nontransparent, and I wish I could scream from the top of the hills why this is going on, but I can’t do that yet.’”
Yep… This broad is a real beaut she is. The couple was either completely deluded or stupid when they signed up for $1,000,000 worth of slavery and blames it on the “global economy”.
HouseDebtors haven’t learned a flippin’ thing…. at least these two pukes haven’t.
exeter,
For all the ‘other’ dense input from those two, that’s actually the correct emphasis. The rest is just so much “fun with fodder”.
The truth ‘here’ is that, if “getting blind-sided by the local/national/global economy” has kept local failed bank presidents out of jail.., why shouldn’t it work for her?
Get the spin and disingenuous misinformation out there quickly, get people to empathize/commiserate w/ you and stick to your story! How hard is that? The longer it takes for this downside to play itself out.., the more “company” you’ll have and the more likely you can sway public opinion your way.
The truth ‘here’ is that, if “getting blind-sided by the local/national/global economy” has kept local failed bank presidents out of jail.., why shouldn’t it work for her?
Or - lets not get political, BUT, Jefferson got 13 yrs for $90k in his refrigerator, and YET GS and many others get nothing for stealing billions? WTF. Something about this sentence is really not um equitable for the crime committed.
IMHO>
It is funny that we are slamming those like this woman (rightly so) but we still do not have the real liars and thieves in office or control of the gov/GS locked up and probably never will with the lack of real desire for fairness throughout our country.
Very true, DD.
If we’d known the global economy was going to collapse, we would have done a lot of things differently,
The probability of a worldwide economic collapse has been getting higher by the year of this decades-long credit bubble.
What if prices of education and health care start to fall (socialism or not) and continue to fall worldwide?
What if all prices continue to descend and deflate, not for 20 years or 25 years, but for over 100 years? James P. Hogan’s book “Voyage From Yesteryear” provides a glimpse. I can imagine house prices falling for generations, except the ocean view houses, which are rare. it will be an end of money, and end to taxation and an end to government.
I dunno, I’m just a housing bubble blog commenter, but, from my lofty perch, I see evidence that health care and education are bubbling up. Bigtime.
In education, here’s a look into the future:
Online education will probably eat bricks-and-mortar education’s lunch
As for health care, it’s possible that, once evidence-based medicine really takes hold, that we’ll see prices dropping like rocks. Especially for tests and procedures that weren’t so necessary after all.
“In education, here’s a look into the future”
I call BS. I can’t go into it for professional reasons, but I recently left a public online outfit to return to brick and mortar. The claim that virtual costs less is completely false, especially if you factor in the fact that they do not operate physical facilities (they’re then more expesnsive). I was matter-of-fact in my exit interview and two days later I received a call from the superintendent (considered to be *the* pioneer) to get more feedback.
It’s as ridiculous as saying everybody is going to order Kibbles and Bits from pets.com
To be fair, virtual education is here to stay and will serve a critical role in some circumstances, but it is not “the future.”
Agreed muggy I can listen to seminars and pretty much follow tutorials but nothing substitutes for a real class, with immediate feedback and hands on approach from the teacher.
Call me old school, maybe if classes were structured say Contracts at 10 am Mon. and Wed… and it was live via video conferencing…so I could ask question in real time …i could get used to that
“Call me old school, maybe if classes were structured say Contracts at 10 am Mon. and Wed… and it was live via video conferencing…so I could ask question in real time …i could get used to that”
That does occur in the outfit I worked for. But then you start doing that all the time, and you ask, “why not just go to school?”
Virtual secondary education is great for credit recovery and acceleration, but that’s about it.
I prefer the old school.
PC learning- virtual classrooms are fine for part.
My wife recently obtained her degree from a university that required students to take several on-line classes. Tuition for the on-line classes was more than that for the traditional ones, which led me to conclude that they were something of a cash cow. I thought the experience felt alienating; with respect to the on-line courses, my wife wouldn’t have known if her professor and any of her classmates were standing right next to her at commencement.
An engineering education should come from an ABET certified facility. Recall those 1-unit, all afternoon, hands-on labs with a seismic shaker table or the concrete test cylinder crushing machine, etc., non of it cheap to buy or maintain. I found the labs very impressionable; I know when I’m out of my depth, where danger lurks.
Well muggy, the school may not be easy to get to, an hour a way, or no parking like here in NYC. And you still have to shave shower and dress up for class anyway since it will be a 2 way video conference and the teacher would be able to see you full screen when you ask a question.
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That does occur in the outfit I worked for. But then you start doing that all the time, and you ask, “why not just go to school?”
I would fire this city manager as well. For all her skill at “managing” her personal finances, I wouldn’t let her within a mile of city hall.
This was reported a month or two ago in the Orange County Register. The house isn’t oceanfront like this article says. But don’t feel sorry for them. They refinanced and pulled cash out so they’ve made about $150,000 or so on the house. It’s the lender and possibly taxpayers who will probably lose the most.
All home owners are potential millionaires, didnt you know that.
While there are plenty of “regular” houses in Huntington Belch, there are no “regular” prices. Not sure why this place thinks it’s so hot. The main sewage processing plant for South Bay is smack in the middle of it and the place has historically been a sort of the low-life version of Newport –full of surfer kids and druggies.
Huntington Belch,
You nailed it!
accidently but accurately!
accidentlyaccidentally.
Not accidentally at all, DD. You know me better than that!
In 2001, it was nail salons and yoga studios. ‘Other than yogurt, we’re not seeing any growth industry’
I’ll say it again; the problem we face is adapting to the post-bubble economy. These clowns in DC can try to flog the yoga/nail salon economy back to life, but it ain’t gonna work.
‘Hake said that as long as banks that own foreclosed homes continue to slowly and methodically release their properties on the market, prices will climb. ‘But if we see a flood of foreclosures coming onto the market - and I’m hearing we have anywhere between 6,000 and 10,000 foreclosed homes waiting to be released here - we won’t have enough buyers to absorb all of them’
It seems this absurdity has taken on a life of its own. At first, it was just “conspiracy talk” that the banks were holding back on inventory. Now, it’s some sort of agreed upon national strategy.
IMO nobody can keep housing prices from seeking their natural level, and all these corporations and the governments are doing is setting up the next round of FB’s. How does that fix or “stabilize” anything?
It seems this absurdity has taken on a life of its own. At first, it was just “conspiracy talk” that the banks were holding back on inventory. Now, it’s some sort of agreed upon national strategy.
Will banks start offering free tinfoil hats to those who open new accounts?
And meantime the builders will continue to build, albeit at a much slower pace than during the bubble.
‘the builders will continue to build’
This is another aspect of policy that is making things worse. Economics 101 shows plainly that production of supply will continue until prices fall enough to stop it. I read a report this week that close to 12,000 single family permits were taken out in the Phoenix area in 2008. And yesterday, the papers were talking about a CA style bankruptcy for the state.
Will banks start offering free tinfoil hats to those who open new accounts?
Tin foil hats along with the actual $100. for opening an acct.
Count me in. I need a new hat for winter-rain deflection!
Here in Tucson, the yoga studios appear to be going through some, shall we say, natural selection. Meaning that the yoga-herd is being thinned.
Rushing in to take their place is a plethora of (you’ll love this) cupcake shops. However, a downside is already appearing.
Yesterday, our local fishwrap did a story on the cupcake shop proliferation, and one of the commenters noted that she’d just paid a total of $19. For four cupcakes. To her, that expenditure wasn’t worthwhile.
$19 for 4 cupcakes? Now there’s a winning long-term strategy!
well if those 4 cupcakes were like a pound each and could be divided into 4 pieces each then its a good deal.
But do yoga studios have the same business model as gyms? That is , move in, sell “lifetime memberships,” go out of business, and start all over again?
Rushing in to take their place is a plethora of (you’ll love this) cupcake shops.
I knew this was coming.
And lots of nail salons are offering some discounts on their listed prices. Take your socks off boyz!
Are we as a people so lazy that we can’t bake our own cupcakes or paint our own nails?
Apparently, yes.
I try to bring this up to my children and they all think I’m wrong. I tell them that there has been a permanent change in this country (and others) and that the “everybody has a Lexus” days are gone forever. They’re polite, but they don’t come close to comprehending the end of free-wheeling living and limitless easy credit.
Hey! I never had a Lexus! I missed out!
Well they’ve probably never seen a world where credit wasn’t freely available.
And Fico scores will mean nothing to many. All cash will eventually rule.
“IMO nobody can keep housing prices from seeking their natural level, and all these corporations and the governments are doing is setting up the next round of FB’s. How does that fix or “stabilize” anything?”
As I troll MW housing bulls, I say, “Nothing can prevent housing prices from collapsing……. NOTHING”.
The bulls spit, sputter and get so enraged that they get banned. lmao.
“These clowns in DC can try to flog the yoga/nail salon economy back to life, but it ain’t gonna work.”
The number of newly opened “fitness centers” opened near me in the last two years has been staggering. I guess low rents coupled with low start-up costs and low barriers to entry apparently make for an attractive start-up opportunity. However, when one gets laid off, the gym membership is often the first thing to go. I don’t see this ending well on any level.
I live just a few steps away from a fitness center that’s located inside of a City of Tucson neighborhood center. In other words, it’s a (gasp!) socialist gym.
I pay a quarterly fee of $16 to use this center, and, IMHO, it’s a pretty good deal. It’s refreshingly free of the snobbery that one sees at a lot of private health clubs. Instead, there’s a camaraderie that surpasses the usual divisions that we have in our society — race, class, gender, orientation.
If you can’t afford the gym fees, this neighborhood center’s inside of a city park that has all sorts of free amenities. Want to pick up a basketball game with your friends? There are two courts. How about flying your kite? There’s a big, open field for that.
Soccer more your thing? Well, there’s a soccer field that brings out players — and their extended families — in droves. Or, if you just want to take a walk with your sweetheart, there’s the walking path. I see people on it from first light until late in the evening.
And, if you’d like to play catch with your four-footed best friend, well, there’s a dog park too. Word is that this dog park is one of the best meeting places for singles in Tucson.
In short, it’s all happening at our park and neighborhood center.
Are you in marketing, Slim?
Nope, graphic design and photography.
Slim:
One of our old nyc posters..
http://www.bradmarshallart.com
We have a “Y” here that rivals any private
fitness center that I’ve seen, which follows
Slims neighborhood center to the “T”
I Wish we had a good Y here.
The Y in some cities is incredible.
Stayed at the Y in Hong Kong-’76- $10.00 per night.
Clean. Competition $100.00 per night in ‘76.
Let me see…no brainer.
Y in NYC has the best Seminars/Speakers.
Sounds like a disgusting hang-out for kite-flying anti-American pinko terraists. I think you should get the Beckians to picket the place so we can get *our* America back.
$16 a quarter indeed.
LOL, ahansen!
Oh noes! It’s socialist! Better than being an anti-social spoolhead.
These clowns in DC can try to flog the yoga/nail salon economy back to life, but it ain’t gonna work.
LMAO! Very well said!
Ooooo!Ooooo! What about scrapbooking and build a bear stores? /horshak voice
The Palo Alto Landlords keep denying the rent is too high but businesses keep failing and they have record vacancies, what does that tell you ? We don’t need more office spaces either.
‘Other than yogurt, we’re not seeing any growth industry’
I forgot about my recent visit to Santa Barbara. IIRC, there are two of these practically across the street from each other. I will admit I did like the Pinkberry though. Can’t remember the other one but I do remember thinking, “Can this little town really support two yogurt shops this close to each other?”
Oddly enough, I’ve seen a couple of yogurt shops open up in the formerly vacated spaces, too. My DH and I were wondering what they’re thinking — yogurt shops in the middle of a recession? (but I’ll admit to not being an optimist WRT the economy right now)
“flog… yoga/nail salon”
Interesting combination of words here, Ben. You’re not “just getting a massage” then, eh?
Whatever happened to “you have to mine it, manufacture it or make it”?
Service industry is all well and good but when the service industry becomes our economic raison d’etre we’re in deep kim-chee.
Hey, a Mugsy/Muggy twin bill!
“‘2010 looks like an unavoidable bloodbath for a multitude of borrowers, investors and lenders,’ the report said. ‘The shake-out period may extend several years as even some conservative owners with well-underwritten loans from the early 2000s see their equity destroyed.’”
Green shoots in 2009 seem destined to give way to red shoots in 2010.
And state and local governments.
Perhaps its 2011 for the federal crisis.
“…as even some conservative owners with well-underwritten loans from the early 2000s see their equity destroyed.’”
now we’re talkin!
Yeah, but feel free to go into the early 90s if you must!
I bought in ‘99 and it is difficult for me to imagine being underwater on my house. I only owe 71k and I paid 120k for it.
Take the # of people foreclosing this year.
Add in the people foreclosing the last few years
Add in next years group.
Add in the credit card defaulters
Add in the unemployed
Add in the CRE defaulters
Add in the pull demand forward 8k credit crowd.
Stop adding for a minute and ask yourself how many qualified buyers are left to catch those knives going forward?
Not to mention that “Americans are overpaid” and we are going to see a steady erosion in wages into the foreseable future.
…a steady erosion in <b<REAL wages into the foreseable future.
There, I fixed it for you.
Crap, fast, snarky and HTML are a bad combo for me.
a steady erosion in REAL wages into the foreseable future.
There, I fixed it for you.
“Red shoots” = Arterial bleeds
“Goldman said vacancies sometimes occur because businesses become obsolete or marginalized. ‘The Bead Shop is a perfect example,’ he said, noting that much of the bead business is conducted online today.”
Speaking of obsolete or marginalized businesses, did the Beanie Baby business go underground or something?
you mean beanie babies are still around? I thought that fad had been replaced by the Precious Moments figurine business.
No. I meant “The Bead Shop” sounds like about as economically viable an industry as the “Beanie Baby industry” of yesteryear. But perhaps it is all good for the Bead heads, if Goldman has them on the radar screen.
Beanie Baby proprietors rolled all that money they made off of “collectible” Beanies into “Scrapbooking” shops.
PB, where have you “bean”? Don’t you know that Beanie Babies are still around, albeit selling for what any normal stuffed animal should sell for ($4-7)? Now, all we need is a similar loss in perception of value to take hold for houses.
But you see how much ‘instant equity’ those have?
I mean, if you hold on to your beanie babies ‘investment’ till that market ‘comes back’, you can make a killing and retire with your earnings!
Saw them for sale at Eisenhower Hospital volunteer sale when visiting a friend. Precious moments, beanies, you name the junk, it was there lining tables everywhere.
I hope aladinsane is keeping an eye on his stockpiles:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/12/AR2009111208938.html?hpid=sec-metro
Fairfax County police said Thursday that they have cracked a ring of burglars who were stealing only gold from South Asian homeowners, after they arrested two men and a woman from the New York City area in Centreville.
Is “South Asian” code for Indian?
Hardly a code, but it also includes Pakistanis and Bangledeshis. Just like North American includes Canada and Mexico*.
* and teeny tiny St Pierre et Miquion.
Miquelon. St. Pierre and Miquelon. French territory surrounded by a bunch of Canada.
Indians are considered asian.
What makes you think Alad wasn’t one of the robbers?
Maybe Ragnar Danneskjold was one of the crooks?
Me again.
Just got a quote on the last two replacement windows for the Arizona Slim Ranch House. One’s a picture window, the other’s a slider. And, ’scuse me for crowing a little bit, but the price quote was a howling good deal.
For one thing, I asked for the lowest price options while being able to qualify for the federal energy tax credit. For another thing, the window company seems to be hurting for business.
How do I know this? Because in our discussion of the tax credit, the sales rep said that he hoped it would be extended so that people start spending money again. Reading between the lines, I can surmise that his company’s window sales are no longer partying like it’s 1999.
What prices did you get, w/o the credit?
Interested parties want to know!
“For several years, sales activity for Yakima County’s higher-priced homes was partially driven by buyers from areas like Seattle or California. Those buyers could buy higher-end homes in the Yakima area because they sold a modest home for much higher prices at their previous residence. ‘That has stopped,’ said Chris Nass of Rose & Associates. ‘Because of the economic climate, (out-of-town buyers) can’t sell those homes for big bucks in the communities where they’re coming from.’”
That’s absurd. I don’t know many Yakimites who are transplants from CA or Seattle. Tri-Cities area has some, but Yakima? My guess is that the “demand” came from outta town infestors looking for “cheap” rental properties. I’d ask to see what percentage are owner-occupied but we all know how reliable that measure is.
sleepless_near_seattle,
That’s… kind of been my experience here in Salem, OR as well. In the end analysis what we ‘really’ had was LOCALS and “builders” bidding up lot prices as they scurried about flipping properties back and forth amongst THEMSELVES! ( All in preperation for that “big score”! )
Seriously, I don’t know how else to explain it? AND.., among those that -are- CA’s, they seem to be in place and doing just fine of their own accord. What of them there ‘are’.
I just remember Yakima being desert from my Army days training out there.
For four years I’ve been tracking every listing, price change, agent change, withdrawal, sale and foreclosure in a particular neighborhood in GA that we like. The neighborhood got started in 1998 and peak construction was in 2003-06. I’ve been waiting, futilely, for prices to come down to what I can afford, as they have done in many other parts of the state. Listings expire and are withdrawn. The owners lurk for six months and re-list. Nothing sells. For the longest time I thought it was because the owners had their heads up their butts but it is dawning on me that they don’t sell because they can’t sell. Just about every last one of them must be underwater.
A tale of two neighborhoods. Here in Florida, now that prices have been truly crashing, we recently started analyzing a neighborhood that we easily can afford to buy in, all-cash. In this neighborhood, most owners own outright. Whaddya know - the prices have been dropping like a rock. Selling prices approach $60/sq.ft. The houses are not as fancy as the GA ones, but the neighborhood is very well-established and groomed.
The key difference: the handcuffs of debt.
If only there were an easy way to know, before even looking at a house, how much is owed on it, I think the markets could start discovering true comps very quickly and the tax appraisers be damned.
Here in Cuyahoga County, Northern Ohio, I know that Realtors or anyone connected to the multiple can get you that info on any house thru county records. Any house, for sale or not.
I’ll ask our agent in GA. But we’ve been working with her for four years and she was born there, so I’d be surprised if she could readily find out the debt. It would have been worth her while to do that much earlier.
Step 1 become friends with a RE or Title person.
bite you lip and just do it.
Step 2,ask for them to pull up a profile on said prop.
Step 3 make dinner for them, they are probably broke and putting on airs but not for much longer.
“Most of the summer the homes that were being looked at were the homes around $200,000 where first-time buyers finally felt that the prices were low enough that they could finally afford a home.”
Another one! Gold Beach? First-time home-buyers? Are they serious?
sleepless!
I’m surprised at you! Everyone knows that’s come to mean “first time infestor”. Really.
Gold Beach has (i think) one stop light and gobs of retired cotton-tops. Any younger folk work at the gas stations and the few restaurants and hotels in town. Hardly fodder for $200k “entry-level” houses.
Just for a goof, check out:
http://www.oliviabeach.com
They call it “Nelscott” area ( but… it’s Lincoln City, OR AFAIK? )
Cheapest listing is $379,000 and it goes all the way up to 1.3 mil. ‘Just right’ for the FTB! ( I mean First Time Infestor )
LOL. I’ve stayed down at that place. Well actually at Bella Beach for a company meeting that I put together. The houses are nice, but…did we really need them? They are about 10 feet apart.
I particularly want to hurl when I read this part:
“The Oregon Coast like it used to be.”
Really? You mean like it was before those houses were there? I don’t think so. Very few of the houses there are owner-occupied either. Seems like gluttonous waste but I guess that’s a bit hypocritical coming from someone who stayed there…
“like it used to be”
Oh don’t make me laugh. I’ve ‘been’ there in the 70’s and those inhabitants wouldn’t even recognize it today! And certainly not at those prices.
I found it suspicious they show it as being nearly “Sold Out” as well? Hell, at this rate ( and ‘those’ prices ) why they should be breaking ground on Phase II any DAY now! ( Not )
Gold beach is a eye blink town, while up the
road in Brandon, home prices are still athigher
than Everest. Brandon is a retiree town, lots
of southern transplants that enjoy the freakish
anomaly of southern KA weather in a ten mile
long stretch of OR coast.
southern KA weather
Did you mean CA? Did I miss something?
Bandon is north of the banana belt; that’s down around Brookings. And even Brookings gets a fair amount of rain during the winter.
I’ve been watching condos in Bandon for a while. There’s a lot of them, and they’ve been on the market for a long, long time. Many are still priced at bubble levels. There’s quite a bit of price competition for them now that SFRs have come down in price some.
I enjoyed this the most, not sure why:
“‘Other than yogurt, we’re not seeing any growth industry…”
Proof that you need an active, living culture to grow.
—–They paid $1,259,000 for the gated-community home.”—–
Apparently… they didn’t pay this. Rather, they borrowed it.
One would think this would be a pretty basic difference in reportage.
Charles Galles was one of the 500 applicants hired at 5 Spice. His work experience made him an easy selection. He has owned two businesses, worked at restaurants through college and holds two bachelor’s degrees.
All that for a busboy job?
Sad, isn’t it?
“There is a person on the board of the credit union that has a grudge against Penny Graft”
Wonder if they would have as strong a grudge against Thousand Dollar Graft?
Million Dollar Baby Graft might actually be loved unconditionally.
Remember, when you have millions and billions of dollars, according to the GOLD MAN Sachs CEO,
you can do “God’s work”.
Penny Graft and Goldman are two of the building blocks of the temple to “God’s work”.
And they come to worship their God and praise him, and give him thanks, as there is no other God before him.
And the name of their God is “Mammon”.
“Graft” — It just doesn’t get any better than that for the last name of a city manager turned FB. I nominate her for all-time best name here on the HBB, unless someone comes along with a last name like “Imamoron.”
LOL, Debt.
Ben really has a talent for finding these appropriate names, neh?
I just love it, Ben’s penchant for finding names like that. Shooting fish in a barrel.
‘Most of these first-time homebuyers who are really the ones keeping things going right now wouldn’t qualify at all.’”
There is no question — FHA is the new subprime lender. What’s more, I get the sense these guys actually believe they can prop up prices and their book by increasing the volume of these mischievous loans.
And when that doesn’t work, they’ll change the accounting rules.
And when that doesn’t work, they’ll say, “No one could have seen it coming.”
“It’s really a perfect storm for buyers,’ said Peters.””
Since when is “a perfect storm” quoted as being something good?
$7k on property taxes for a $1.1mm dollar home. That makes my $3500 for $150k look pretty rough in comparison. Who says CA’s taxes are high again?
But who says that the $7K is the total annual amount?
You’re right it’s probably not. It’s probably what they had in escrow before stopping payments.
Taxes on the 1.1 mil in California will be roughly 1.2% of the 1.1 mil plus any special local assessments that may be levied…So the taxes are roughly $13,200. +
No way, there’s tract homes up the hill from me in the 1.5 and 1.9M range and their taxes are about 19,000/year. $7,000 must be quarterly….I’ve noticed on Zillow that there are tons of new red houses on the monopoly board of this neighborhood, some houses on the market for over a year, and the asking prices all over the map, from 700K to 1.9M. There’s some variation in square footage and the infernal “peekabo, I see the ocean” view, but certainly not that much. Lots of these trophy homes are bank owned now. No big surprise. As I posted before, I had spoken to a nice older RE agent about 4 years ago wondering who on earth could afford these 6,000 sf behomeths and he said some families were “buying” two. Ouch…
If a corporation was heavily upside-down on a home they would walk in a New-York-second.
Indeed they would. For a corporation is set up from the beginning with the specific intention to welch on obligations if things go badly. And corporate law is designed to enable and encourage this type of bad faith dealing. Now that corporations dominate about 98% of the economy, is it any wonder that there is a general lack of trust in society?
Sorry, italics tag should be closed after the first sentence above.
Awwww, I kind of like it with everything italicized.
Italics are pretty.
lol
Well both corporations and individuals have the “bankruptcy put.”
True enough. But individuals– at least, most of us– have some sense of honor that motivates us to make good on our obligations. A public corporation has none. Also, investors in corporations are encouraged by the financial press to “diversify” their holdings. This means that, again, those who are (at least in theory) ultimately responsible for the company’s actions don’t suffer any shame or serious consequences if it goes bankrupt.
Lawrence Yun wisdom:
“Home resales are projected to total 5.7 million next year, up from an estimated 5 million this year. Prices will climb about 4 percent after a projected decline of 13 percent this year, according to Lawrence Yun, chief economist for the trade association.”
The national association of realtors is predicting a price increase! What could possibly go wrong?
**”4% is in the bag!”**
Duly noted.
Here is the tale of a big name movie star who caught himself a bevy of falling knives:
Nicolas Cage loses 2 homes in foreclosure auction
* By Hibah Yousuf, CNNMoney.com staff reporter
* On 4:47 pm EST, Friday November 13, 2009
Even Academy Award winners are suffering from financial woes this recession. Actor Nicolas Cage lost two homes in New Orleans worth a total of $6.8 million in a foreclosure auction Thursday.
Birmingham, Ala.-based Regions Bank purchased Cage’s 1140 Royal Street property in the French Quarter appraised at $3.5 million for $2.3 million. The bank, which has about 1,900 branches throughout the South, Midwest and Texas, paid $2.2 million for Cage’s 2523 Pataniya Street property appraised at $3.3 million in the Garden District.
New Orleans’s civil Sheriff Paul Valteau said no other bids were made on the houses.
Cage owed $5.5 million in mortgage payments and $151,730 to the City of New Orleans in real estate taxes, according to Valteau.
Hancock Park Real Estate Co., a corporation through which Cage purchased both homes, is listed as the official property owner. Valteau said attorneys representing Samuel Levin, Cage’s former business manager, set up the corporation so that Cage’s name would not appear on the mortgage documents — a common strategy among celebrities.
Levin also was listed on the mortgage document as the agent for service of process, Valteau added. That agent is the officer appointed by a corporation to receive legal notices.
Last month, Cage filed a lawsuit against Levin in California claiming that Levin duped the Hollywood actor out of more than $20 million since 2001 when he was hired.
The suit said Levin “lined his pockets with several million dollars in business management fees while sending Cage down a path toward financial ruin.”
The suit went on to say Cage has “discovered that he is now forced to sell major assets and investments at a significant loss and is faced with huge tax liabilities because of Levin’s incompetence, misrepresentations and recklessness. Rather than attaining financial security, Cage has been forced to dispose of significant assets in order to pay for Levin’s gross misconduct.”
A reporter’s calls to Levin’s office for comment were not immediately returned.
CNN reported that Cage owes more than $6 million in back taxes and his properties in California and Las Vegas have also been foreclosed on and are designated for auction later this month.
The actor, who’s known for his roles in Leaving Las Vegas and National Treasure, has 5 projects slated for 2010, according to the Internet Movie Database.
Cage’s publicist Annett Wolf said she had “no information and can’t help” when reached for comment.
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$6 million in back taxes? He must have had Willie Nelson giving him tax advice.
“Last month, Cage filed a lawsuit against Levin in California claiming that Levin duped the Hollywood actor out of more than $20 million since 2001 when he was hired.”
Oh, so Nicolas Cage isn’t any better at picking business managers than he is at picking scripts or plastic surgeons? Big surprise.
Oh, that was snarky, wasn’t it? I need ham and coffee.
Maybe he should just go to Vegas and play some high limit craps. Couldn’t go any worse than what he has done now…
I’m a 45 year old divorced father of four. In January of 2006 I quit claimed all interest in the home my ex wife and I owned and lived in. Three and one half years later, I was debating whether to renew my annual lease on an affordable apartment in a convenient location. My landlord, a realtor, told me I’d be crazy NOT to take advantage of the new first time home buyer credit being offered.
I looked into it. I clearly qualified as a first time home buyer. I knew of a nice little house for sale in a neighborhood I liked. I didn’t have much money for a down payment though. I heard of a local bank offering to lend downpayment money to borrowers qualifying for the first time home buyer credit. Everything was lining up! I got pre-qualified, made an offer, got it accepted, and scheduled a closing.
In June of 2009 I became a home owner. I paid $65,000 for the house. I borrowed the 10% downpayment in a balloon loan- to be paid when the tax credit came in 6 to 8 weeks. This may seem like the kind of borrowing that got the country into trouble, but the house appraised well above the purchase price, and with the $6500 credit, I’d be in a great equity position in no time!
Two months later I’d heard nothing from the IRS. I went online to check the status. It showed nothing. I called a toll-free number and was put on hold for twenty minutes! You never get those minutes of your life back!
Three months later I called again. I learned that the IRS was overwhelmed by applications for this first time home buyer credit. The Economic Stimulus was doing some stimulating. Things were backed up. The balloon loan came due. I extended it for another six weeks, (at 13%)
Four months later I got a letter from the IRS. My credit was denied. Their records showed that I’d owned a home within the three year period preceding the purchase of the qualifying home. Their records were wrong, but that didn’t matter much. the letter was final. My only option, it stated, was to appeal in federal tax court!
What???? Once I settled down, I began researching. I found phone numbers that got me directly to IRS agents. (See the page: IRS contacts) I made calls and surprised a few bureaucrats. I also filled out a form to procure an IRS tax advocate. If you are having trouble getting your credit, click here to FILL OUT THIS FORM: !!
I got them to reopen my case. I called my advocate every week. I felt like, maybe she was helping- maybe she was pacifying be to get me off the phone.
Six months later, I closed out the year with a report from the IRS. The advocate had told me nothing of the report landing in my mail box- the report informing me that A. My First Time Home Buyer Credit was denied. B. A review of my 2008 tax filing revealed an underpayment of $1600.00!
Wow! Both items were in error. Try telling the IRS that!
I’ve since refinanced the balloon loan into a second mortgage. Now I’m paying two loans and property taxes, and utilities, AND maintenance! Thanks Obama. You dangled a carrot. I jumped from my affordable apartment. The carrot got yanked away and here I am. The irony of a first time home buyer home going into foreclosure is rich and tragic.
Have I quit fighting? No Way!
1. I contacted my U.S. Congressional representative. I encourage anyone having trouble of this sort to do the same. After signing a release of information, the office of my congressman will be advocating for me. A file stamped: CONGRESSIONAL INTEREST might just float to the top of the pile.
2. I submitted paper copies of all documentation directly to the agent who signed the report, along with a letter summarizing my situation and itemizing the documents included.
3. I submitted paper copies of all documentation directly to the taxpayer advocate assigned to my case.