November 17, 2009

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Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 05:12:05

America’s Newest Land Baron: FDIC
The Wall Street Journal

ATLANTA — In the waning days of the Great Recession, the federal government is still jumpstarting the economy and propping up financial markets.

It is also trying to sell Dresden Heights, a failed condo development on a noisy freeway ramp next to a Motel 6, a Waffle House and a Do-It-Yourself Pest Control.

For more than a year, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. has been seeking a buyer for 36 partially built condos it inherited from a high-flying, short-lived Atlanta bank. The agency has been fending off vandals, haggling with architects and uncovering the developer’s blunders, all in a bid to dispose of this condo project, just one of the 2,554 foreclosed assets dumped onto its books. “These are properties with a bad story,” says Jim Gallagher, a senior official in the FDIC’s Division of Resolutions and Receiverships. “What we’re trying to sell is something that is rundown or not completed or has some property damage.”

The financial crisis started with Americans buying homes they couldn’t afford. It is ending with the government struggling to sell buildings it never wanted.

In the past two years, the FDIC has taken over 150 failed banks. In the process, it has seized more than 5,000 houses, subdivisions, buildings, parcels and other foreclosed assets. The current backlog of property stuck on the agency’s books, with an appraised value of $1.8 billion, ranges from an $18,700 clapboard home with stained carpets in Birmingham, Ala., to a $1.7 million mountainside lodge with a heated driveway in Steamboat Springs, Colo.

Taxpayers will be grappling with this flotsam for years to come, one example of how the crisis will linger long after the economy begins to revive. At a recent FDIC auction in Atlanta, the agency offered a four-unit condo building it had already sold once before — after the savings-and-loan crisis two decades ago.

These days, it takes the FDIC on average six to eight months to sell a property. Dresden Heights, tied up with unpaid bills, a lawsuit and complex right-of-way questions, is among its toughest prospects.

Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 05:53:50

“In the waning days of the Great Recession,”

Really? Happy days are here again!

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-11-17 06:05:05

…waning days of the Great Fake Recovery…

-that should do it.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-11-17 09:20:32

I guess it is fake. I have been called by two different headhunters for a contract engineering job in Arizona paying only $100 per hour for a year long contract.

Should be $130 per hour. Must be a depression!

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Comment by pressboardbox
2009-11-17 10:01:41

Right you are. I was generalizing and completely neglected the “contract-engineering bubble”.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-11-17 10:09:51

For approximately 10.2% of the population it probably is.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-11-17 12:23:39

BILA,

Are you related to Eddie?

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-11-17 13:52:45

Dude, they could outsource that to India and save a bundle!

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-11-17 14:25:40

There are always niches. I know plenty of programmers and EE’s who are unemployed and no one is kicking their doors down to hire them.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-11-17 19:14:03

SF Bay Area Gal,

Show me where I’m bullish on RE or that I back what the mortgage bankers did in this bubble. If you can find compelling posts, then you can accuse me of being Eddie.

Vaybeyatch,

There is no way they can export my line of work.

In Colorado,

Yes, it is a nitch within a nitch. I got into the innermost nitche innocently in the year 2000.

But I have hedged heavily against my own smugness. Good times do not last forever. Just take them when I can!

 
Comment by dude
2009-11-17 19:15:09

The 3 contract automation engineers I just interviewed seemd pretty hungry to me, and at an offer rate much lower than what Bill stated. They all said new projects are dead, dead, dead.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-11-17 19:19:07

BILA,

Was kidding. My apologies.

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-11-17 07:13:12

I read an news article that stated some startling facts. One claim was that more Americans lost their homes this year than in the entire 10 years of the great depression and they were using Realty Track figures. They claim that there is a backlog of 7M homes awaiting the foreclosure completions.

It’s getting strange and scary out there folks.

I’m looking for the link, it was in an article from the UK Telegraph.

I guess that our wonderful American MSM is just to close to the forest to see the falling giant redwoods about to SQUISH us.

Timberrrr !
:)

Comment by cougar91
2009-11-17 07:25:56

Well if they mean pure number of people losing homes, yes I can believe that since the number of people now vs in the 30’s is a lot more.

How does percentages compare? That’s the telling number.

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Comment by In Montana
2009-11-17 07:48:00

yeah, worthless data point

 
Comment by oxide
2009-11-17 07:53:29

Wasn’t renting much more common in the 20’s because lending standards were insane? I remember an old late 30’s newsreel (link posted here years ago) which showed that 20% down 30-year was considered “new” financing to help young couples. The American dream of buying caught on only after WW2. I think the only meaningful ratio is

# foreclosures
——————-
100 mortgages.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-11-17 09:01:17

oxide,

I’m sharing this from the standpoint of my -father’s- ( born in 1928 ) experiences. His assessment was that during that era ( 20’s & 30’s ) a 10 year mtg. was pretty much the standard.

He bought his first home on a VA Loan in 1959 on a 20 year and almost had a heart attack when the 30 yr. became “the standard” in the 70’s.

I think what’s MORE important ( and there -has- to be something in it for The REIC ) is the ‘way’ loans are amoritized! FB’s and aging boomers aren’t going to fooled again now that they realize ALL of the mort. int. is loaded into the front end!

Unless and until they can come up with a level load or other alternative, people are going to stay right-where-they’re-at!

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-11-17 09:26:00

That makes sense. When I post elsewhere that people should not buy a house until they have 50% or more of the purchase price saved up, they flame me and say they would hate to be 40 years old before they buy their first house! In other words, the new “normal” is for someone in their 20s to start paying mortgage payments.

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-11-17 10:02:57

“FB’s and aging boomers aren’t going to fooled again now that they realize ALL of the mort. int. is loaded into the front end!”

D, I hate when people describe it that way. It is very deceptive.

Look at it this way: you DO want your principal balance to decline over the course of the loan, right? In other words, it starts at $X and ends at zero. Well, then the amount of interest you should pay in any given year should start at (X times interest-rate), and end at zero as well.

There is nothing devious, deceptive, or evil about the fact that you pay more interest early on in a mortgage. When you borrow more money, you owe more interest on it.

Mortgages are simple-interest. This is fifth-grade math, and simple to understand.

There are many things worth despising the banks for, but having “mortgage interest front-loaded” is NOT one of them.

 
Comment by In Montana
2009-11-17 15:25:31

“There is nothing devious, deceptive, or evil about the fact that you pay more interest early on in a mortgage. When you borrow more money, you owe more interest on it.”

I think he means that a lot of newer/younger/foolish buyers are so naive that they don’t realize this, and then overreact when they see it on paper. But they still need to know what amortization looks like before they dive in head-first.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 10:57:20

China has now become the biggest risk to the world economy

Far from taking over as the engine of growth from an exhausted West, China is making matters worse. Its “beggar-thy-neighbour” policies continue to play havoc with global trade and risk tipping the world into a second leg of the Great Recession.

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Published: 6:21PM GMT 15 Nov 2009

“The inherent problems of the international economic system have not been fully addressed,” said China’s president Hu Jintao. Indeed not. China is still exporting overcapacity to the rest of us on a grand scale, with deflationary consequences.

While some fret about liquidity-driven inflation, Justin Lin, World Bank chief economist, said the greater danger is that record levels of idle plant almost everywhere will feed a downward spiral of job cuts and corporate busts. “I’m more worried about deflation,” he said.

By holding the yuan to 6.83 to the dollar to boost exports, Beijing is dumping its unemployment abroad – “stealing American jobs”, says Nobel laureate Paul Krugman. As long as China does it, other tigers must do it too.

Western capitalists are complicit, of course. They rent cheap workers and cheap plants in Guangdong, then lobby Capitol Hill to prevent Congress doing anything about it. This is labour arbitrage.

At some point, American workers will rebel. US unemployment is already 17.5pc under the broad “U6″ gauge followed by Barack Obama. Realty Track said that 332,000 properties were foreclosed in October alone. More Americans have lost their homes this year than during the entire decade of the Great Depression. A backlog of 7m homes is awaiting likely seizure by lenders. If you are not paying attention to this political time-bomb, perhaps you should.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 11:39:01

“A backlog of 7m homes is awaiting likely seizure by lenders.”

Can anyone provide independent verification of that statistic? I have not seen any other estimate of the ’shadow inventory’ anywhere near that large.

 
Comment by james
2009-11-17 11:56:13

We’ve seen the data trackers show a default rate of 300K per month for a long time.

7M is entirely believable after 07-08-09 declines.

We had talked about 20M at some points as well.

5-10% of all homes? 320M people so about 80M homes in the USA.

A large number of people rent or own the homes clean though.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 11:56:52

“My view is that markets are still in denial about the structural wreckage of the credit bubble. There are two more boils to lance: China’s investment bubble; and Europe’s banking cover-up. I fear that only then can we clear the rubble and, very slowly, start a fresh cycle.”

Evans-Prichard is spot on here. The PTB in the global economic system are still in collective denial, and the wreckage left behind by last fall’s credit bubble collapse is being covered up or ignored. Meanwhile, at least some of the imbalances that led to the crisis (e.g. China’s investment bubble) continue to grow, rather than shrink.

Good luck to all when China’s investment bubble pops.

 
Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2009-11-17 12:01:43

Now I understand why all those Chinese-made clothes were so cheap at the mall last Sunday.

 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-11-17 17:33:45

The Chinese have to eat, too.

 
 
 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-11-17 05:54:08

“In the past two years, the FDIC has taken over 150 failed banks. In the process, it has seized more than 5,000 houses, subdivisions, buildings, parcels and other foreclosed assets.”

“These days, it takes the FDIC on average six to eight months to sell a property.”

I suppose one way to get more foreclosures on the market sooner would be for the FDIC to shut down more insolvent banks and begin the process of disposing of assets. However, I can’t imagine they’d have the resources to dispose of properties any faster than what’s happening now.

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-11-17 08:06:37

I *personally* saw the +/- 5,000 properties on the FDIC books for +/- 150 banks as a sign that no matter how many banks the FDIC shuts down, there isn’t going to be a flood of properties as it appears (as we knew around here) that the banks offloaded those mortgages as fast as the wrote them.

5000/150 = 33 properties per bank.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-11-17 08:59:57

I think you read it wrong Chile…maybe its 5000 houses PLUS subdivisions which could be thousands more unfinished homes… PLUS Commercial buildings… PLUS parcels …PLUS other assets

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Comment by Bad Chile
2009-11-17 09:58:49

NYC - good catch, I think you’re right.

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-11-17 14:07:14

They need a website with all the properties, and an easy way to make offer!

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-11-17 09:04:29

Bad Chile,

Right, and behind each and every one of them is a “high flying, short lived” bank. Notice the article didn’t even bother to mention the ‘name’ of the bank nor the principles involved.

We’ve “moved on”. We’re more sophisticated than to dwell on all that ’stuff’ anyway.

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Comment by Al
2009-11-17 05:57:38

“Taxpayers will be grappling with this flotsam for years to come, one example of how the crisis will linger long after the economy begins to revive.”

How often do we hear about how some different factor will stifle the recovery, and yet the economy will still recover? Unemployment, government debt, bad assets on books, deleveraging, increasing commodities prices, ongoing wage arbitrage, etc. It’s always assumed that there will be a recovery when there are so many factors against it.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-11-17 06:43:57

Perhaps you simply do not understand what “The Recovery” consists of. Rising unemployment, debt, leverage, prices, arbitage & etc. cannot stop “The Recovery”.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-11-17 09:47:10

Recovery to Wall Street means that they are back in the action again and they have new Casino games to play or new bubbles to push ,or Companies to push that are making money on emerging markets World wide . It’s all about what is good for Wall Street/Banks/Global Companies/Insurance Companies and Wall Street doesn’t care about borders, or if Americans are suffering job loss or going broke .

Wall Street wants the World to be their oyster and never mind
that the American Main Street is suffering ,or that Wall Street created the situation with their fake bubbles ,like the criminal
ponzi-scheme Housing boom in which they used real estate to generate money .

It’s all about how to create money for making short term profits
with Wall Street . In fact ,Wall Street acts like a entity that is counter productive to the well being of Main Street America .I think it’s about time that Wall Street and all it’s cohorts are
exposed for actually being anti-American in terms of the welfare of the America . Wall Street and its cohorts have already proven that it will take the ship down ,given half the chance . Its about time Wall Street is exposed for the Fox in the Hen House that they are .

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-11-17 11:04:10

“I think it’s about time that Wall Street and all it’s cohorts are exposed”

Many of us grew up thinking otherwise, but now can see what is going on there. It is as if nothing has changed for them, and they cannot perceive that the curtain has been drawn back.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 13:18:30

The credit bubble tsunami tide has receded, exposing all of Wall Street’s naked swimmers to the eyes of the world.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-11-17 19:08:56

Main Stream Media is still reporting as if the current structure with Wall Street ,absent the needed reform and regulations ,is
needed for the financial health of this Country . Put Wall Street back in the tight box we had them in for 70 years and bring back Glass Steagall for starters .

Wall Street use to be a entity that made long term investments for extra income . When Wall Street got the bonus of 401k management as well as the ability to play Lender on faulty loans to generate income ,as well as their unregulated short term casino bets and risk taking with World funds ,with leverage being the name of the game ,than the Devil was unleashed .

 
 
 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-11-17 06:31:19

I guess if the FDIC seizes it, it’s flotsam, but if the Treasury bought it, it’s jetsam.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-11-17 10:06:40

:-)

Nice, Jim…

Comment by Jim A.
2009-11-17 11:29:54

Knowing a tiny bit of Admiralty law is…completely useless.

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Comment by ahansen
2009-11-17 15:36:46

+1
:0

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Comment by ahansen
2009-11-17 15:38:07

Oh pooh on this keyboard.
Good one, Jim.

 
 
 
Comment by Reuven
2009-11-17 13:11:35

Why doesn’t the Government bulldoze the homes? That would serve to inflate prices (by limiting supply) and they won’t have to deal with them.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-11-17 23:59:30

and think of all the people it would employ in the clean up and recycling..plus there could be a lot of stuff to sell on ebay and CL……..its coming very soon

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Comment by gary
2009-11-18 04:05:50

puts Katrina and other hurricanes in a new light …doesnt it?

how does a category 2 hurricane turn the florida keys..and all of the sudden is a cat 5 in the Gulf of Mexico..a storm had never strengthen to cat 5 over Gulf before..

doh!

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Comment by packman
2009-11-17 06:49:50

Between the FDIC and Fannie and Freddie - the federal government’s going to end up owning a very, very large percentage of both residential and commercial property in the U.S.

Here’s another thought - when it comes time to pay off the debt, if/when foreign countries no longer want to buy our treasuries, what perhaps might the federal government offer as payment?

- Government office buildings? - not really feasible. Most still in use and not really enough anyhow.

- National parks? - not really feasible. Would probably incite riots and revolution.

- Residential/commercial real estate? - hmmm….

Remember when Japan bought big chunks of real estate in the 80’s? Well get ready for the same thing from China, and in a much larger scale; and from the government this time rather than private sellers.

A possibility, anyhow. Seems to me.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-11-17 08:36:45

Foreign bagholders are always the preferred bagholders.

 
Comment by yensoy
2009-11-17 09:05:25

Mass purchase of foreign real estate is meaningless without the right to populate said real estate with people of its own choosing. Will the USA be willing to allow the Chinese to do this?

Comment by james
2009-11-17 10:04:36

Hopefully they send a bunch of people over. Would probably be a good cutural infusion.

I look forward to the food and festivals.

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Comment by ahansen
2009-11-17 15:42:52

More likely, China will take over those ports they don’t yet control. Agree with you, James. A cultural infusion now is definately the best defusion twenty or thirty years hence when things get dicey on the military front between our two countries.

 
 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-11-17 10:16:50

Are you saying China wants to see more emigration of its people to the U.S.?

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Comment by yensoy
2009-11-17 11:10:32

Yea, just a thought. What better way to revitalize Detroit than inject it with a couple of thousand skilled, hard working Chinese folks tough enough to battle it out with the street thugs and willing to put in the long hours it takes to run small businesses.

 
Comment by james
2009-11-17 11:58:30

I lived in Detroit for a while. It would really help out with the part of the cuisine.

You’ve got excellent Arabic food, good number of Japanese places (Shabu!) and then Mexican town.

They could really use an infusion there.

 
Comment by DD
2009-11-18 00:05:27

I find it amazing that some folks are speaking of the immigration of ’skilled Chinese workers’ into our country, yet it wasn’t just a day ago and all the past yrs that ya’ll were so adamantly opposed to ‘those illegals’ that you mean to be mexicans. So what is the difference now?
The jobs still aren’t here for our own current citizens at a living wage but let’s bring on the Chinese to Detroit and further diminish the jobs.

I also do not get the vileness, the inciting to violence that many of you folks speak against our POT US. It is one thing to practice and use our Freedom of Speech, it is completely another to either quietly abide this mur derous language or actually encourage as some do here and the far right wing faux christians do along with the “pastors”. Listening to all those stupid, vile, anti O speak from those radio heads, idiot fox heads, speaking with such hate is actually, IMHO akin to aiding and abetting violence, mur der and almost trea-son against our US. By using ‘freedom of speech’ as your Front, as those wing nuts do, we are the same as the criminal who actually shoots MD’s, Mc Vei gh, etc. It is one thing to be angry, it is quite another to encourage and incite violence.
It only takes one nut on the fringe who thinks You are speaking directly to ‘him’, giving orders to perform.
If I were you and all the other citizens of the US, the pastors/churches, I would demand that people started supporting the POT US, 1- by not hoping or encouraging violence against our POT US, and 2- by running for office your own darn selves.
If we don’t Ramp this down soon and actively, we are no better than the murd erer who acts.

 
Comment by Mugsy
2009-11-18 02:44:15

I don’t usually flame folks here DD but enough with the hyperbole, okay? Go over to the Alex Jones website if you want to see people with a real beef against his Obamaness. Please go elsewhere!

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2009-11-17 10:12:21

Possibility maybe. That is a game the states play all the time - sale and leaseback of buildings, stream of payments from tolls, etc.

Federal government? Haven’t really heard of it. Much less pressure to do something like that when you don’t have a Constitutional requirement to balance the budget.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-11-17 12:37:01

If I remember correctly Japan got burned with all of that real estate. Rockfeller Plaza comes to mind.

Comment by packman
2009-11-17 13:05:08

Yes they did - though it’s worth nothing that they bought it in 1989 - at the very peak of the last bubble. A horrendously-timed move.

If/when China buys a bunch of U.S. real estate, it’ll be long after the bubble has mostly popped, when things can be truly had on the cheap.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 14:44:38

They may have that strategy in mind, but there appears to be a good chance that the time US assets can be “truly had on the cheap” will coincide with the collapse of the China investment bubble. Decoupling, shmuppling…

 
 
 
Comment by maplesucks
2009-11-17 13:17:27

American women.

You know that Chinese men will have shortage of brides real soon. We send them our women.

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-11-17 09:12:26

The financial crisis started with Americans buying homes they couldn’t afford. It is ending with the government struggling to sell buildings it never wanted,

AND

That are not needed.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 05:14:30

GMAC’s Carpenter Focuses on Auto Finance, ‘Solution’ at ResCap

Nov. 17 (Bloomberg) — GMAC Inc., the lender seeking a third taxpayer bailout, must focus on auto financing and find a “solution” to its money-losing mortgage business, newly appointed Chief Executive Officer Michael Carpenter said.

“The first priority is we have to make GMAC the premier auto-finance company,” Carpenter, 62, said in an interview yesterday. Secondly, “the mortgage business has been a drag on the company and we need to find a solution,” he said.

Carpenter’s goal for auto finance matches government policy, which deemed Detroit-based GMAC necessary for the survival of General Motors Co. last December. The U.S. financed two GMAC bailouts totaling $13.5 billion and had been negotiating another injection worth as much as $5.6 billion. As for the Residential Capital LLC mortgage unit, investors, analysts and even GMAC have been speculating about bankruptcy.

“The government is running into bailout fatigue and GMAC is realizing it can’t rely on this pool of support from the taxpayers,” said Sean Egan, president of Egan-Jones Ratings Co. in Haverford, Pennsylvania, who expects ResCap bonds to fall today. “The easiest group of assets to jettison, if you want to call them assets, is ResCap. They’ve been a source of a huge amount of embarrassment and pain.”

Comment by arizonadude
2009-11-17 07:39:57

Lower the car prices and they might actually sell something.Instead of lowering prices they go for a bailout.I wish I was to big to fail.

Comment by In Colorado
2009-11-17 09:21:53

Isn’t GMAC now completely independent of GM?

But I do agree, cars are way too expensive. Which is why I posted the link yesterday about the under $5000 third world, 60 hp cars. The way things are going this all the masses will soon be able to afford.

Comment by REhobbyist
2009-11-17 09:48:34

New cars are overpriced, to be sure. But you can get a great price on a used car now, if you are patient and willing to haggle. Lots of desperate sellers out there.

On Craigslist over the weekend someone who was being foreclosed the next day gave away a four-year-old washer and dryer. Free - just haul it away.

There are opportunities out there, ironically enough.

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Comment by In Colorado
2009-11-17 14:28:14

I’ve seen used car prices out here firm up from last year. Less inventory also, as many people have chosen to buy a “near new” car vs. a new car.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 05:16:35

Mortgage delinquencies hit another record in 3Q.
Tuesday November 17, 2009

NEW YORK (AP) — The pace at which people fell behind on their mortgages slowed during the summer for the third consecutive quarter, but the overall delinquency rate hit another record, a new report shows.

For the three months ended Sept. 30, 6.25 percent of U.S. mortgage loans were 60 or more days past due, according to credit reporting agency TransUnion. That’s up 58 percent from 3.96 percent a year ago.

Being two months behind is considered a first step toward foreclosure, because it’s so hard to catch up with payments at that point.

The rate was up 7.6 percent from the second quarter. That’s a much smaller jump than the 11.3 percent rise in the second quarter from the first, and the 14 percent leap seen in the quarter before that.

While the slowing growth rate is a positive sign, the increase shows there’s still a lot of problematic mortgages out there, said F.J. Guarrera, vice president of TransUnion’s financial services division. The company doesn’t expect the figure to start declining until the middle of 2010.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2009-11-17 07:24:35

“The rate was up 7.6 percent from the second quarter. That’s a much smaller jump than the 11.3 percent rise in the second quarter from the first, and the 14 percent leap seen in the quarter before that.”

That’s all part of the great recovery. The worst of the flood is behind us but the water will still keep on rising for a while.
So hitting an all time high in foreclosures and being up 7.6% from the previous quarter is actually good news, I am sure the stock market will love it.

Comment by packman
2009-11-17 08:20:56

Flooding is an interesting and IMO very apt and useful analogy.

The floodwaters are of course rising still, though apparently rising slower. The big question though is - what’s happening in the forecast with rain?

The MSM generally has been of the mindset that the rain is over. So while the floodwaters will continue to rise for a while, the rise will be slower, reach a peak soon, and then begin receding.

Not so fast.

Is the rain really over? If the rain is “prices falling because they’re too high” then no - it’s not over. Prices are still higher than historical norms. If the rain is “debt is too high” then no - it’s not over. We have still only gotten out of about 5% of the new debt accumulated during the bubble; about 95% is still out there to be written off and/or paid off. If the rain is “too-high inventory” then no it’s not over - while inventory levels of houses currently for sale are coming down some, levels of empty homes and foreclosure backlog are still increasing. If the rain is “unemployment” then no - unemployment is still rising.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-11-17 10:29:51

No, the “rain” is “bankers not getting big enough bonuses for destroying the economy.”

That “rain” is over, hence the Great Recovery (for the Bankers) is underway.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 13:02:02

The rain looks to be both high prices and unemployment.

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Comment by Mike in Miami
2009-11-17 13:18:28

The rain is :
- high unemployment
- more mortgage resets
- commercial real estate
- a soon to be broke Uncle Sam & various big spenders in state governments like Clownifornia
- resource scarcity after China is done buying up mining and drilling rights all over the world
- printing presses running 24/7 causing dislocations in the market
The flood might crest soon, but a tsunami is not far behind.

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Comment by cobaltblue
2009-11-17 05:37:19

I’m sure Step can assure us he doesn’t see it all in his paycheck -

Cost of Keeping One U.S. Soldier in Afghanistan Per Year: One Million Dollars

Cryptogon.com November 15th, 2009

The U.S. doesn’t have to “win” the war for a handful of diabolical corporations to make a killing. The trick is to keep the war going for as long as possible.

And, day after day, the shakedown continues.

Bogus contracts, drugs and energy. That’s all, folks.

Plus a little change we can believe in.

Via The New York Times:

“While President Obama’s decision about sending more troops to Afghanistan is primarily a military one, it also has substantial budget implications that are adding pressure to limit the commitment, senior administration officials say.

The latest internal government estimates place the cost of adding 40,000 American troops and sharply expanding the Afghan security forces, as favored by Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal, the top American and allied commander in Afghanistan, at $40 billion to $54 billion a year, the officials said.”

Even if fewer troops are sent, or their mission is modified, the rough formula used by the White House, of about $1 million per soldier a year, appears almost constant.

So even if Mr. Obama opts for a lower troop commitment, Afghanistan’s new costs could wash out the projected $26 billion expected to be saved in 2010 from withdrawing troops from Iraq. And the overall military budget could rise to as much as $734 billion, or 10 percent more than the peak of $667 billion under the Bush administration.

Such an escalation in military spending would be a politically volatile issue for Mr. Obama at a time when the government budget deficit is soaring, the economy is weak and he is trying to pass a costly health care plan.

Comment by combotechie
2009-11-17 06:09:26

“The trick is to keep the war going for as long as possible.”

This seems to be the grand strategy of our enemies, from lessons learned in Vietnam.

Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 06:20:33

When I wuz a pup, my dad used to rail about the Vietnam War and the travesty of sending soldiers to a war they weren’t allowed to win. Deja vu Afghanistan. We were “winning”, if you could call it that, and then some traitor scuttled the imminent capture of Bin Laden. Really made me wonder… not to mention that resources were diverted to the bogus Iraq war.

Not to mention the armed forces have been reduced to sitting ducks for politically correct policies, making them look like target practice for enemies from within.

Comment by Stpn2me
2009-11-17 06:33:00

I’m sure Step can assure us he doesn’t see it all in his paycheck

Actually, I wonder if the cost of contractors is in that. There are about three to four contractors in theater for each soldier..

Still think soldiers are the problem?

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Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 06:48:51

Written by Major General Smedley Butler in 1935. War Is a Racket. Contractors should be conscripted, in time of war. Take the profit motive out.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-11-17 06:49:46

My son-in-law says that if he returned as a contractor after his tour, that his pay would tripple.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-11-17 08:02:42

I turned down a gig building out the new Iraqi defense ministry… It was a $3 billion contract. All I got was ducking and weaving when I asked if I could pack iron. No response or a quick change of subject. Yes, the incentive ($$$$) was huge but I prefer to keep my life for now.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-11-17 08:08:04

Does anyone think we are starting to see an unwinding of the military industrial complex? The first step was Obama’s re-tooling of “procurement” rules, which he did right away. Then Congress denied funding for that F-18(?). I read that this is a big deal because Lockheed had its porky fingers in 40 different pies (states) for that. And with the fall of the Soviets and an eventual American pullout from Iraq and Afghanistan, which conflicts are there for the m-i complex skim?

 
Comment by Michael Fink
2009-11-17 09:27:20

The atomic/hydrogen bomb (ICBMs, in particular) are the last weapons that EVER needed to be built. War has become a profit center, not a real battle for supremecy anymore. When most major countries have the ability to, in 30 minutes, destroy the entire world; there’s really no reason to even consider going to war.

However, we continue to fight because it’s “good” for the country (I’m sure all those in the military (who are deployed) and everyone who’s lost someone in our current war would disagree), and provides economic value (again, very questionable).

There’s simply no need for F-18s, aircraft carriers, or even M-16s anymore. With the bomb; that entire equation changed, the only thing is that nobody is willing to take the steps necessary to dismantle the industrial complex that surrounds the military in this country. The economic hit would be extreme, but it would probably also fix our deficit spending problems for the foreseeable future. There’s just WAY too much political clout behind the military to even consider it though.

Many countries don’t have standing armies (many of which don’t have the bomb). What makes us think; with the most extensive collection of nukes in the world, that we need to “project our might” upon the world with aircraft carriers and jets? It’s a total crock.. But incredibly lucrative for all the govt contractors, and for all the people in power directing those contractors. And, as such, we continue to fight a 3rd world enemy with 2nd world weapons (because using the “really good” weapons just somehow wouldn’t be fair).

 
Comment by Al
2009-11-17 10:09:13

“There’s simply no need for F-18s, aircraft carriers, or even M-16s anymore.”

If the US and other NATO nations disarm, some nation will take advantage. Can the US downsize their military machine? I believe so. Get rid of it? Only if you want Mexico reclaiming some land.

 
Comment by james
2009-11-17 10:11:39

Fink,

You post is well… really stupid. Just think about warfare and responses for a while. OK?

Stepn2me,

Why so many contractors? I don’t understand where the mission is at right now.

 
Comment by packman
2009-11-17 10:39:11

The atomic/hydrogen bomb (ICBMs, in particular) are the last weapons that EVER needed to be built.

So you’re saying then, for instance, that when Iraq invaded and forcefully annexed Kuwait in 1990, that we should have:

A) Nuked Iraq, or
B) Repeatedly carpet-bombed Iraq with time consuming, indiscriminate (high civilian casualty), and expensive WWII-era bombs, or
C) Stood idly by while a key ally was overcome?

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-11-17 11:20:59

“The atomic/hydrogen bomb (ICBMs, in particular) are the last weapons that EVER needed to be built. [...] There’s simply no need for F-18s, aircraft carriers, or even M-16s anymore.”

So, let me see if I got this right: we nuke the entire country of Somalia (with nuclear fallout for whoever happens to be downwind) just because some pirates are operating off of their coast.

Uh huh. Right.

Your statement is ridiculous. Clearly there are some situations where more-discriminating weapons are useful.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 13:14:05

The are several reasons for so many contractors.

The first is recruitment. The military simply cannot recruit enough people.

The second is part of the “smaller government” mantra. Less soldiers equals less payroll.

The third is budget cuts, which creates the above.

The fourth is the gravy train. Because of the “small government” BS, brother-in-law deals are made left and right with the contracting companies, thus actually costing us MORE.

How’s that for some Orwellian crap in action?

A cup of gourmet coffee to anyone who can name the head cheerleaders for “smaller government.”

 
Comment by DD
2009-11-18 00:14:31

if he returned as a contractor after his tour, that his pay would tripple.

ARMOR corporation just got the gig for “Security” of the Baghdad Airport. Armor(sp?) is the one that has serious issues of rape, naked orgies and billions of overbilling. Oh good.
Call your CONgress person now.

4 yrs ago, while traveling to and from Zurich on business, half the passenger load were contractors for Halliburton, I mean KBR. All of FC were them and 1/2 of steerage were as well.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2009-11-17 06:40:22

“… making them look like target practice for enemies from within.”

I wasn’t thinking of enemies from within, I’m thinking in terms of proxie wars, where our enemies don’t confront us directly but instead lure us into battlefields in areas that are greatly to our disadvantage to fight enemies churned out from masses of impoverished people.

A war that is very cheap to fight for our enemies, very expensive to fight for us.

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Comment by packman
2009-11-17 06:58:24

It certainly doesn’t help to have to deal with restrictions like these.

Unwinnable war indeed.

Stp I’d be really curious to hear your take (though you may have already).

Given that the Russkies lost there without having to deal with these rules - I can’t see how we will.

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Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 07:36:16

OK, now assuming that indeed Bin Laden was responsible for the 9/11 attacks, and that Afghanistan, via the Taliban, was sheltering him, then I understand why we went there. However, the amazing event was the order to stand down at Tora Bora. I’d like to know who was the traitor who issued that order. I guess enough profit hadn’t been squeezed out, so we needed the boogeyman alive and free, eh? Had they gotten Bin Laden, we could have ended the conflict.

Actually, but for the traitor who told our troops to stand down, we might have “won”, after a fashion.

 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-11-17 07:47:23

Given that the Russkies lost there without having to deal with these rules - I can’t see how we will.

Actually, I think we are winning. The battle is now for the afghans to stand up on their own. The taliban is brutal, and fear rules the country side. Corruption is rampant, those are the problems. You have to have a secure populace to have an electorate.

Most people who argue against a strong military and our action here are spoiled by the protection they have. Standing up to someone who is trying to kill you to get their way takes great courage. A few days ago, the taliban burned down a girls school. War opponets never have a solution to that. What do you do? Let their women continue to be oppressed? Let their human rights violations continue?

Sometimes force is necessary. Negotiation will NOT always work. It really is as basic as our way or their way. There are no shades of gray. It’s either or.

The afghan people are fiercely suspicious of foreigners. We are slowly showing them we dont want to occupy their lands. And I believe it’s sinking in. I know Al Queda isnt liked by the taliban, and I know most of the afghan people dont like the taliban. It’s just a matter of who’s will is imposed.

I truly think we are making a difference in the security of our nation back home. Sharia Islam is brutal. It is only a matter of time before it’s brought before the American people. I will be long dead when it does, I just hope the american people have a spine when the time comes.

BTW,

This is why we are NOT a democracy. If the majority of the populace is muslim, dont you think they would vote for their culture? Majority doesnt always win…

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 07:57:31

“The afghan people are fiercely suspicious of foreigners.”

Smart. That’s why they’re so difficult to subdue. We oughta take a leaf out of their book.

Cue the bleating sheep with accusations of xenophobia, jingoism, brown-shirtism, esockothism, whatever. Blah-blah.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-11-17 07:59:33

Let their women continue to be oppressed? Let their human rights violations continue?

By that reasoning, the US would have to occupy a lot more countries than Afghanistan.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 07:59:57

“Sharia Islam is brutal. It is only a matter of time before it’s brought before the American people.”

Indeed. People have NO idea. Wait’ll a couple of beyatches get stoned to death for showing too much skin, that’ll be a moment.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 08:01:37

“By that reasoning, the US would have to occupy a lot more countries than Afghanistan.”

Yes, like England.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 08:20:06

It wasn’t until recently that I understood an incident that happened many moons ago. Through a buddy, I had a friendly (or so I thought) acquaintance with a young lady and her mother from Iran. I admired these two women. They emigrated from Iran to the US after the father passed away and the uncles, not wanting to have to pay for their keep, were happy to let them go. The mother got a job, the daughter got a job and went to college, earing her degree in engineering. These ladies worked hard and achieved prosperity and in the process, became rather Westernized, albeit conservatively so.

Well, the uncles got wind that their female family members were doing better in the US than they were in Iran, so a little inspection trip to the US was in order. Whew! After that, the daughter went nutz, accusing us all of “blashphemy”. Her face was contorted with anger and hate, where before we’d all been part of a friendly, social group. I don’t know what the uncles did to her and her mother, but needless to say, all contact was broken off. I hope things turned out all right for her.

I couldn’t figure out why the sudden change in attitude, but in light of the events of the last few years, it now makes sense.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-11-17 09:26:28

“Sharia Islam is brutal. It is only a matter of time before it’s brought before the American people.”

All the more reason to close the borders and to stop inviting the world to move into the US.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-11-17 09:29:52

I trust Step far more than the anti-military armchair Bammy supporters here.

I support your mission in Afghanistan Step!

 
Comment by measton
2009-11-17 09:38:25

So we are in Afghanastan because of sharia law????

Yet

RIYADH (Reuters) – A Saudi court sentenced a female journalist to 60 lashes in a case brought after a Lebanese television channel she worked for aired the sex confession of a Saudi man, the reporter and a lawyer said.

Rosana, 22, who did not want her full name disclosed, said a court in Jeddah convicted her on Saturday on grounds that the Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation (LBC) she worked for did not have proper authorization to operate in the Islamic kingdom.

The ruling follows the sentencing by the same court of Mazen Abdul-Awad to five years in jail and 1,000 lashes earlier in October after he appeared on an LBC show and talked about his sexual exploits.

….

About 4,000 people, mostly women, have been killed in deeply conservative rural Pakistan in recent years in the name of protecting family honor in the midst of allegations of illicit sexual relationships.

xxxxx

A Saudi court sentenced a woman who had been gang raped to six months in jail and 200 lashes - more than doubling her initial penalty for being in the car of a man who was not a relative, a newspaper reported Thursday.

Nope we are not in Afghanastan because of sharia law stpn that is for certain. I am 100% sure that there will be draconian islamic law practiced there when we leave.

 
Comment by measton
2009-11-17 09:46:25

“”I support your mission in Afghanistan Step!”"

Just curious Bill, in your mind what is that mission???

Are you now condoning nation building??
Odd for a libertarian??

 
Comment by exeter
2009-11-17 10:14:47

More BillyDoubleTalk.

 
Comment by james
2009-11-17 10:19:03

Measton,

You absolutely right on this. We should consider just crushing the evil Saudi empire and setting things straight.

Heck that would fix half the trade deficit too.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-11-17 10:24:27

Just about three years ago you anti-Bush types were complaining that we should be fighting the real enemy in Afghanistan and getting out of Iraq.

Now that Afghanistan is the focus, you are complaining again.

From September 11, 2001 I supported the mission to crush Al Quaeda. But after that is over with, let’s stop being the world’s policeman and cut defense spending down to where we defend the 50 states and territories.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-11-17 10:26:24

“I support your mission in Afghanistan Step!”

I would, too, if I knew what the hell it is. It seems like the mission is now protecting schools and supporting women’s rights. A noble cause for sure but definitely not a constitutional reason for war. That certainly wasn’t the mission in November 2001. If the mission is nation building then it is time to admit that we have failed. This shouldn’t be an open-ended commitment to doomsday.

 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-11-17 10:31:19

and provides economic value (again, very questionable).

Ask any town around a military base what “value” we give.

There’s simply no need for F-18s, aircraft carriers, or even M-16s anymore.

Unless a country with superior aircraft tries to impose their will on you. I bet you are anti guns too, arent you? And if you dont have those high speed planes, how are you going to get the bomb to those who would do you harm?

Many countries don’t have standing armies (many of which don’t have the bomb).

They are not who I would be worried about. It’s those who are getting the ability to project power I am worried about.

And, as such, we continue to fight a 3rd world enemy with 2nd world weapons (because using the “really good” weapons just somehow wouldn’t be fair).

We have a saying around here, “No fair fights”. Are you saying you want to give our enemies a fighting chance? Why would you want to be so submissive to our enemies? Actually, a military is a tool of diplomacy, even if you dont want to admit it. You are talking like you are angry because your country is superior.

You also act as if you trust the other countries of the world to not act aggressively against us? Sorry, history disproves your way of thinking. That’s just not man’s nature. You cannot negotiate if your arent in a position of power. If you are not in the position of power, you are begging for your liberty.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-11-17 10:38:06

And if you dont have those high speed planes, how are you going to get the bomb to those who would do you harm?

Isn’t that what ICBMs are for?

I don’t believe in getting rid of our military. I believe in cutting it back and getting out of wars that have proven to not be winnable because we don’t have the courage to win them.

I appreciate your service but I do disagree with most of your thoughts on the military. I hope you are safe and make it home soon.

 
Comment by Stpn2me
2009-11-17 11:07:55

I hope you are safe and make it home soon.

Thanks, me too…. :)

Isn’t that what ICBMs are for?

ICBM and nuclear weapons are a last option weapon. We really dont want to use them. Plus, they dont help much when americans are in trouble around the world. A strong military is as much a deterrent as a nuclear weapon.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-11-17 11:37:39

And you think Americans have the guts to fight a religious Jihad? We should be bombing the mosques that is where they preach this evil.

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Nope we are not in Afghanastan because of sharia law stpn that is for certain. I am 100% sure that there will be draconian islamic law practiced there when we leave.

 
Comment by packman
2009-11-17 12:29:52

Just about three years ago you anti-Bush types were complaining that we should be fighting the real enemy in Afghanistan and getting out of Iraq.

Now that Afghanistan is the focus, you are complaining again.

From September 11, 2001 I supported the mission to crush Al Quaeda. But after that is over with, let’s stop being the world’s policeman and cut defense spending down to where we defend the 50 states and territories.

clap clap

Though FWIW - “defend the 50 states and territories” is very open-ended, and not necessarily cheaper - or different - than what we’re doing now.

 
Comment by neuromance
2009-11-17 18:03:22

A good summary of the Afghanistan situation:

“So we are once again fighting an insurgency in a rural country with a weak central government. Americans were outsiders in a complex war among Vietnamese. Our allies were corrupt. Our adversaries were ruthless. Enemy territory was everywhere …

But the situation in Afghanistan is also very different from the challenge we faced in Southeast Asia. Vietnam was a mistaken proxy war against worldwide communism; nothing there realistically threatened the United States … Yet in September 2001, mass murder was plotted against us from Afghan soil. We all know why we invaded Afghanistan and so do the Russians, the Chinese and other world powers. There was no contrived Gulf Of Tonkin rationale. It was not a mistake.

Now we must choose a smart way forward so no one asks whether we’ve made a mistake in staying.”

- John Kerry, p. 41, Newsweek Magazine, November 16, 2009 edition.

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2009-11-17 15:57:05

Completely off topic here, Step, but in case you didn’t see it in yesterday’s Bits Bucket, DennisN called your soundtrack question.

Allegro, from Mozart’s Serenade in G major K 525 known as “Eine Kleine Nachtmusic”.

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Comment by ahansen
2009-11-17 15:58:37

Sheesh, I did it again….
the Andante.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-11-18 00:15:36

Holy toledo I have it right here in a 7 cd box set Mozart serenades for orchestras on phillips vol 3 disc 5

and here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb_jQBgzU-I

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-11-17 07:49:20

Some genius came up with the figure that they needed at least 13 supply and support personal and other REMF’s for every grunt that was fielded for combat in Nam.

I suspect it well be a lot more expensive for beans and bullets in this war. The Nam era radios could bearly call over to the next valley but at least the todays troops can use their cells and speed dial their local congressman if they want or need anything for this one.

Aaaah…a busy signal again…he must be busy talking to another lobbyist !
;)

Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 08:05:42

+1, mikey. Awesome post.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-11-17 08:22:41

For all you HBB fans of the Princess Bride movie (and I know there are a few), there is a scene in the film where Wallace Shawn’s character (can’t remember the name) lies dying and is asked for some parting advice by Mandy Patankin’s character.

The advice given?

“Never get involved in a land war in Asia”

Comment by packman
2009-11-17 10:44:12

No no no!

That quote is from the famous “poison goblet” scene. Get it right man.

(One of the funniest dialogues ever in moviedom, IMO)

www dot imdb.com/title/tt0093779/quotes

 
 
 
Comment by Martin
2009-11-17 06:12:38

What we are seeing in US will come to Asia in the next year or so. Asia is still partying with high home prices, high stock prices and a lot of foreign investments in their economies.

Do you think all this would end there and we can see prosperity back here in US? Unless US consumers spend, Asia will also go down in time to come and US would spend only if we have jobs and stable home prices.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2009-11-17 06:30:03

It is fashionable to talk of America as the supplicant. That misreads the strategic balance. Washington can bring China to its knees at any time by shutting markets. There is no symmetry here. Any move by Beijing to liquidate its holdings of US Treasuries could be neutralized – in extremis – by capital controls. Well-armed sovereign states can do whatever they want.

If provoked, the US has the economic depth to retreat into near autarky (with NAFTA) and retool its industries behind tariff walls – as Britain did in the 1930s under Imperial Preference. In such circumstances, China would collapse. Mao statues would be toppled by street riots.

Ambrose Evans-Pritchard has a different view than one usually sees reflected in the MSM.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/6575883/China-has-now-become-the-biggest-risk-to-the-world-economy.html

Comment by In Colorado
2009-11-17 09:37:32

I am already seeing articles about Mexico becoming the next “China” for the US. If that comes to pass I could see the USD being relabelled at the “Amero” (or something else) and becoming the common currency of both the US and Mexico. Don’t know if Canada would join the party or not.

 
Comment by polly
2009-11-17 10:26:04

Is this just an extended and expaned version of the old saying, “If you owe a man $1000, that is your problem. If you owe a man $10,000,000, that is his problem.”

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-11-17 09:48:17

Specifically, Shilling is concerned that China is building a lot of excess capacity in anticipation of a revival of U.S. consumer demand that he says won’t be forthcoming, as detailed here.

Similarly, Shilling is skeptical about China’s ability to stimulate domestic consumption because of the nation’s high savings rate (30%) and relatively small numbers of Chinese with disposable income (about 8% of the population, according to Shilling.)

“They’re getting ready to get ready…for what?,” he wonders.

Add to that the potential for a bubble in China’s financial markets and concerns about its banking system, and “I think China is very much at risk,” Shilling says.

Comment by james
2009-11-17 10:31:44

The people in China don’t have a security net like social security.

They don’t have a safety net like medicare.

They have a worse demographic challenge than the baby boomers retirement in a couple years.

Many of the people are suffering from some form of osteriposis due to carbon monoxide exposure. They are heating their homes with little coal stoves with out proper ventilation of the exhaust.

The other psychology is savers tend to be savers.

Can’t get my mom to spend. She has many many years of retirement savings built up. a paid off house, SS, a modest (<50%) govt pension and a 401K.

She just isn’t a spender. Does a little trip here or there but ends up pocketing several thousand a month.

 
Comment by polly
2009-11-17 10:33:44

How can you get a high spending rate in a culture where the children are exepcted to take care of their aging parents (and grandparents when still alive) and you have been enforcing a one child per family rule for a long time?

You can easily have one middle aged couple responsible for the long term care of 4 parents and the survivors of 8 grandparents. I’d be saving like crazy.

 
 
Comment by Carlos4
2009-11-17 18:42:02

Prosperity? Not here in Midwest flyover country. October new car sales down 22 percent in Northeastern Ohio. The next 6 months should be brutal around here. Counting on you government workers to pick up the slack; worry about your pensions during some other crisis.

 
 
Comment by Al
2009-11-17 06:15:50

I mentioned a while back that I picked up a copy of Niall Ferguson’s ‘Ascent of Money’ at a yard sale. I’ve been reading it fairly slowly (I’m not a slow reader, just don’t have much time) and came across a quote I thought was worth sharing.

“Inflation is a monetary phenomenom, as Milton Friedman said. But hyperinflation is always and everywhere a political phenomenom, in the sense that it cannot occur without a fundamental malfunction of a country’s political economy.”

This is in the context of Germany’s hyperinflation after WWI. It seems after WWI Germany wasn’t just printing tons of money, but doing lots of stupid stuff too. I haven’t gotten far enough in the book to see where NF is going with this, but I can guess.

As a side note, I consider this book as a keeper type book. One you put on the bookshelf and review periodically. Since I found it at a yardsale, I must conclude that the previous owner either didn’t like the content or doesn’t believe in keeper type books. There’s a nice happy birthday message written in the cover from mom.

Comment by packman
2009-11-17 07:01:32

“Inflation is a monetary phenomenom, as Milton Friedman said. But hyperinflation is always and everywhere a political phenomenom, in the sense that it cannot occur without a fundamental malfunction of a country’s political economy.”

From what I’ve read, they do indeed seem to go hand in hand. Question is though - which causes which?

Comment by Al
2009-11-17 08:05:01

“…which causes which?”

I’d think that it would take a fundamental malfunction to cause the hyperinflation. Seriously flawed fiscal policy and misallocated resources would guide decision makers to turn on the faucets to fix their problems. It would be self reinforcing though. An excess of money would flail around creating further distortions in the markets. Everyone, both internal and external to the country/currency would lose faith in the system and collapse follows.

Comment by packman
2009-11-17 08:29:09

I’d think that it would take a fundamental malfunction to cause the hyperinflation. Seriously flawed fiscal policy and misallocated resources would guide decision makers to turn on the faucets to fix their problems. It would be self reinforcing though. An excess of money would flail around creating further distortions in the markets.

Like maybe… a big expensive health plan, trying to provide care for a country that is otherwise hell-bent on being unhealthy?

(Just to throw that big ol’ hunk of bait out there; let the feeding frenzy begin.)

Seriously though - morally right or not, government health care may turn out to be the U.S.’s financial Waterloo; the very event you’re alluding to.

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Comment by measton
2009-11-17 09:55:08

How can that be when Medicare and the VA provides health care for less than the insurance industry????? Middle class Americans might have more money to spend thus stimulating the economy. Small companies might have more money and spend less time looking for insurance for their employees. It’s a huge waste of time and money. Let’s just admit that there is no real free market in insurance and medicine now.

 
Comment by Al
2009-11-17 10:17:34

“Seriously though - morally right or not, government health care may turn out to be the U.S.’s financial Waterloo; the very event you’re alluding to.”

I was more thinking about bailout after bailout of financial institutions that feed off the economy as apposed to support it.

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-11-17 10:27:07

How can that be when Medicare and the VA provides health care for less than the insurance industry?????

It can be because Medicare and VA cost-shift to the private sector. Do we have to go over this AGAIN?

 
Comment by Al
2009-11-17 11:25:43

“Seriously though - morally right or not, government health care may turn out to be the U.S.’s financial Waterloo; the very event you’re alluding to.”

I was actually alluding to the repeated bailouts of a financial industry that feeds on industry more than it supports it.

(could be double post)

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-11-17 12:25:14

([...]let the feeding frenzy begin.)

Whiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiz!!!!!!!!! Hook, line, and sinker.

Nice cast, packman…

 
Comment by packman
2009-11-17 12:56:11

Nice cast, packman…

All in the wrist.

 
Comment by packman
2009-11-17 12:57:56

I was actually alluding to the repeated bailouts of a financial industry that feeds on industry more than it supports it.

Well yeah - there’s that too.

 
Comment by In Montana
2009-11-17 15:41:36

“It can be because Medicare and VA cost-shift to the private sector. Do we have to go over this AGAIN?”

And Medicare ain’t doing so hot. Bankrupt when, in 3 years? Why make everything worse?

 
Comment by meastman
2009-11-17 22:13:12

It can be because Medicare and VA cost-shift to the private sector. Do we have to go over this AGAIN?

Are you f’n serious

Private sector drops sick people right and left onto medicair and charity care. 18 months after you get sick with cancer if you can’t goto work insurance can drop you. Plenty of cases documented where insurance company drops sick person due to bogus claim of pre existing condition.

Medicare and VA don’t do this at all. If anything the public health care system subsidizes the private system.

 
 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2009-11-17 07:26:43

Germany’s hyperinflation was caused not only by the SUPPLY of money in circulation but also by the VELOCITY of the money in circulation.

At present the U.S. is experiencing a velocity problem, which make our situation much different than Germany’s.

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-11-17 13:08:53

Germany’s hyperinflation was also caused by how the country was punished for WWI by the winners.

Comment by Mugsy
2009-11-18 03:09:16

When they had to pay reparations to the allies didn’t they just embark on a printing campaign to pay off the debt with much cheaper deutsche marks? That’s my guess and I’m stickin’ to it!

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Comment by dude
2009-11-17 19:54:20

Which came first, supply or velocity?

 
 
Comment by BlueStar
2009-11-17 08:00:48

The key idea to take away from his theory of Money is that “anything” can be money. Gold, sea shells, bulk food, paper currency… The trick is being able to move from one asset class to another without loosing your shirt. The second point I take away from his book (and BBC 4 part series) is that democracies are inherently inflationary.

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-11-17 08:53:32

“The trick is being able to move from one asset class to another without loosing your shirt.”

BINGO!!!!

Hence, my attitude toward trading. The authorities are constantly favoring one constituent or asset class at the expense of others.

At the end of the day, however, when all is said and done, the sheeple always pay, sometimes more than once.

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-11-17 09:28:43

This is the quote from Ferguson’s book (pg 106) that echoes in my head:

By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method, they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and, while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. The sight of this arbitrary rearrangement of the riches strikes not only at security, but at confidence in the equity of the existing distribution of wealth. Those to whom the system brings windfalls … become ‘profiteers’, who are the object of the hatred of the bourgeoisie, whom the inflationism has impoverished not less than of the proletariat. As the inflation proceeds … all permanent relations between debtors and creditors, which form the ultimate foundation of capitalism, become so utterly disordered as to be almost meaningless.

attributed to John Maynard Keynes

Comment by measton
2009-11-17 09:57:42

but but
You can’t help the poor by hurting the rich.

Not true if the rich are leaches that don’t produce anything but just drain the life blood out of the country then you can help everyone by hurting them.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 17:39:10

The PTB have forgotten noblesse oblige. “It’s different this time!”

Uh, no, it ain’t Marie Antoinette.

Now we’re not quite there yet, but it seems we’re hell bent in that direction.

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Comment by Al
2009-11-17 10:24:13

I’ve never thought of inflation as being categorically bad, as long as interest rates are in line with it. If I can put my money in a safe investment that is at or around the rate of inflation, there isn’t that much harm to it. But having interest rates significantly below inflation for extend periods certainly hurts savers and distorts the economy. Rapid and wild fluctuations in inflation is also dangerous.

 
 
 
Comment by cougar91
2009-11-17 07:01:49

I know most of HBBers like Volcker, but any of you shocked that he is supposedly against “mark to market” asset valuation rules? How does that change your view regarding this inflation-fighting luminary?

Volcker Criticizes Accounting Proposal

By FLOYD NORRIS
Published: November 16, 2009

A proposal to give banking regulators authority to block accounting standards is “a terrible idea,” Paul A. Volcker, a former chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, said Monday.

Mr. Volcker has been an outspoken critic of “mark to market” accounting that forced banks to take large write-downs in asset values, a position cited by banks earlier this year when they persuaded members of the House Financial Services Committee to demand changes in that rule.

But in an interview Monday, two days before a House committee vote on a proposal that would grant bank regulators the power to sidestep accounting standards, Mr. Volcker said he believed that accounting rules had to be set by an independent agency. He voiced concern that rising political pressures on both sides of the Atlantic were endangering that independence.

The Financial Services Committee is to vote on amendments to a bill to establish a council of bank regulators as a systemic risk regulator, able to take action if bank activities threaten financial stability.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-11-17 07:37:15

Supporting an agency to set accounting standards independent from government and the banks sounds right to me.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-11-17 09:12:19

I will give an example Buffet has some derivatives that change in value a lot, so 1 quarter he is up 3 billion next quarter he loses that 3 and adds 1 more to the loss.. but he has no intention of selling it or ending the contract …is that fair?

Will any of theses CDO’s ever regain its value? or is it a total write-off?

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I know most of HBBers like Volcker, but any of you shocked that he is supposedly against “mark to market” asset valuation rules? How does that change your view regarding this inflation-fighting luminary?

 
Comment by Michael Viking
2009-11-17 09:18:20

I don’t think I like Volcker. I consider him to be part of the master-mind scheme to steal money. Raising interest rates so high was part of this plan: Savings and Loans had plenty of loans at, say, 7%. Banksters in cahoots with Volcker dream up the scheme to offer much higher rates on money markets. Everybody starts pulling their deposits out of the S&Ls to invest in those money markets, causing the S&Ls to fall under their reserve requirements. The S&Ls that are under the reserve requirements have to go to the banksters and borrow at a high rate in order to stay solvent. Money flows from S&Ls to the banksters and back to the S&Ls. All the while the banksters make a bigger and bigger piece. I believe Volcker and his interest rate raising was part and parcel to this brilliant scheme.

Think about it: offer enough rate or return that everybody starts pulling their money out other places to give it to you, then give it back to those places that now need capital, and lend money back at a higher rate. If you’ve got a major Bankster name (read: capital) and Volcker behind you, you can make it happen. Just another fleecing of the people. And maybe “banks” didn’t like “S&L” competition for Joe Sixpack’s money.

What’s wrong with my thinking?

 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-11-17 09:54:01

At least Buffett is getting paid for his support. What does Volcker have to show for his support. His commentary is becoming extremely laughable when you consider the current course of change.

 
 
Comment by cougar91
2009-11-17 07:05:58

Goldman resists, Tubotax Timmy relents, Taxpayers screwed.

Audit Faults New York Fed in A.I.G. Bailout
NYT, Published: November 16, 2009

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York gave up much of its power in high-pressure negotiations with the American International Group’s trading partners last year, according to a government report made public on Monday.

Just two days before the New York Fed paid A.I.G.’s partners 100 cents on the dollar to tear up their contracts with the insurance giant, one bank volunteered to take a modest haircut — but it never got the chance.

UBS, of Switzerland, alone offered to give a break to the New York Fed in the negotiations last November over how to keep A.I.G. from toppling and taking other banks down with it. It would have accepted 98 cents on the dollar.

But UBS’s good-faith gesture was quickly drowned out by Goldman Sachs and the top French bank regulator. They argued, with others, that it would be improper and perhaps even criminal to force A.I.G.’s trading partners to bear losses outside of bankruptcy court.

The banks and the regulator were confident that the New York Fed was not willing to push A.I.G. into bankruptcy, because earlier in the fall the New York Fed had stepped in with $85 billion to prop up the insurer.

The New York Fed, led then by Timothy F. Geithner, who is now the Treasury secretary, therefore had little leverage in the negotiations, according to a post-mortem of what has emerged as the most inflammatory episode in the rescue of A.I.G.

Comment by WT Economist
2009-11-17 07:51:13

There’s a lesson here. Because AIG was not allowed to go bust, all contracts remained in place. The FED ended up having to pay bonuses to rogue traders and bets to rogue companies.

IHMO they need to get permission to mandatory emergency bankruptcies, like the one for GM only faster, to prevent the U.S. from being held up. Is anyone proposing this? I see this as an emergency measure. The need could arise at any time.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-11-17 11:31:08

“IHMO they need to get permission to mandatory emergency bankruptcies, [...]”

The Fed _already_ had the power to do this. AIG could have been forced into a “mandatory emergency bankruptcy” by simply not giving them cash.

Or they could have given them just enough cach to stay standing for a few weeks while they worked with their bondholders on a pre-packaged bankruptcy.

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-11-17 09:42:59

Once proponents of TBTF have there way in Congress, everyone doing business with TBTF institutions will be made whole at the expense of US taxpayers. Guess whose coattails they are hiding behind? From Bloomberg’s, Fed ‘Severely Limited’ Savings on AIG, Watchdog Says:

Andrew Williams, a Treasury spokesman, said in an e-mail that U.S. actions prevented damage across the financial system. He said Barofsky’s report overlooked a lesson from the rescue.

“The federal government needs better tools to deal with the impending failure of a large institution in extraordinary circumstances like those facing us last fall,” Williams said. “The Obama administration has proposed a regulatory reform agenda that includes giving the government the emergency authority to resolve a significant, interconnected financial institution….”

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-11-17 10:40:10

The concept of Turbo-tax-cheat Timmy, a servant of Goldman Sachs, “negotiating” for the American people against his true masters is just laughable.

I’d be surprised if he asked Goldman to give up anything at all before handing them piles of money.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 17:43:52

How could this have happened last year cougar91? We all KNOW it was Ol Bammy and them damn po folks what caused this mess!

 
 
Comment by lavi d
Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 07:47:13

Good catch, lavi:

“I believe the record shows that PE firms hurt their businesses competitively, limit their growth, cut jobs without reinvesting the savings, do not even generate good returns for their investors, and are about to cause the Next Great Credit Crisis. Leadership is needed to rally opposition to close the tax loopholes that make this very damaging activity possible.”

As the writer points out, the management of the PE firms will be sitting pretty with their fees, etc. The investors, the former employees of the hollowed out companies, etc. will be the losers.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-11-17 10:42:36

The Neutron Jack Welch model of management.

Buy the place, gut it, steal everything that isn’t nailed down, load on the debt, and sell it to a sucker while pocketing a big bonus. Nice!

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 17:46:35

Ole “slash and burn” hisself.

Rat bas…

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Comment by measton
2009-11-17 10:28:40

But but

You can’t help the poor by harming the rich.

Well if the rich are PE, you can help the whole nation by harming them. They gut companies and then sell the skeleton to unsuspecting investors.

Comment by polly
2009-11-17 11:13:28

To be very fair, if the investors would stop buying the skeletons, then their entire business model would fail in a few years.

Comment by measton
2009-11-17 14:19:13

Well all you need to do is influence the news prop up earnings float so ficticious numbers to dupe the masses. Creative financing 101.

Or you can jsut bribe a rating agency and sell it to a pension fund run by your golf buddy.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 17:48:30

Flipping ain’t just for RE, ya know.

Too bad about your job… peasant.

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Comment by michael
2009-11-17 07:28:18

just a couple of things state tax authorities are up to…you know…things they always do during great economic recoveries:

1. California is issuing IOUs.
2. Illinois is no longer issuing tax refunds.
3. Pennsylvania is not taking action on amended returns.

Comment by Steve W
2009-11-17 07:40:48

in re: #2–link? Are you referring to the fact that the USPS returned the refund checks as undeliverable to 3600 people as they had moved and not told the state their new address?

Big difference.

Comment by michael
2009-11-17 12:53:37

no link…just an email from a national tax person from a big 4 accounting firm saying that IL has exceeded its “refund Pool” for this year and will issue them in 2010.

we can credit the refund to future payments but what company is actually paying income taxes these days.

these are all corporate tax related…not sure about individuals.

Comment by Steve W
2009-11-17 13:33:12

yikes

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Comment by oxide
2009-11-17 14:49:33

Well this is gonna happen once, and then next year everyone is going to change their witholding so that less tax is taken out of their paychecks.

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Comment by dude
2009-11-17 23:27:26

Done and done.

 
 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 07:48:43

How do the states manage to do this, while still distibuting funds to the “needy”? Medicaid, aid to dependent children, etc.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 17:50:38

They aren’t. Social services are always the FIRST thing to get cut. What remains is usually funded straight from the fed gov.

 
 
 
Comment by jess
2009-11-17 07:32:13

This cheap Chinese junk that’s in all the stores today is unbelievable . I was stuck out in the boonies with a bad leak in my truck tire . I had my tools though . Also one of those cheapie plug-a- tire kits . The handles on the reamer and the tire plug tool both shattered at first use . I finally grabbed a trusty screwdriver and got the plug in well enough to hold some air as I eased back to town . They replaced the kit with another one like it . we’re paying the price for all the cheap Chinese goods ,they are worth less then nothing ,

Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 07:41:34

I hear ya, jess. I’ve told the story before about how I bought a hasp at Home Despot to secure a display case. The “brass” screws immediately stripped with a few turns of the screwdriver, and were useless. I didn’t return the item, because the effort to do so wasn’t worth it to me for the couple of bucks. That’s what they count on, I think. Sell it so cheap it’s not worth it to return it, so they get to keep the money.

One of the most expensive products I ever bought, though, seeing as how it was unworkable, and what it cost in terms of time and frustration.

Chuck Fina and their crappy, dangerous products.

Chinese Drywall, anyone?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-11-17 07:41:43

Bought a “cherry picker” with my son last week, as we both have an engine to pull. The castors shattered on the first use. This is the Chinese QA program. Make junk and sell it. Let the enduser test it.

 
Comment by arizonadude
2009-11-17 07:46:31

But everyone wants cheap stuff.That is the price you pay.There are some things you just dont go cheap on.I have learned that lesson in life by trial and error.Remember the old saying,” you get what you pay for.”

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-11-17 08:22:10

Our credit has been cut off. We can only AFFORD cheap stuff. We are Americans.

 
Comment by laurel, md
2009-11-17 17:25:33

How I buy tools. Look at several models/options, decide on tool details, and then buy the second most expensive brand.

 
Comment by SaladSD
2009-11-17 18:42:46

This is why I refuse to shop at WalMart…. they pit one vendor against another for the cheapest price (we’re talking tenths of a penny ), and guess what?, the product quality goes ever so quietly into the night. Vendors know they can’t really make the item for the price they’ve quoted. And WalMart sets the pace for every other retailer, so they’ve gutted the middle range for just about everything. It’s either super cheapo, or super expensive to get what used to be “standard” quality.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2009-11-17 08:21:54

I’m afraid we can’t blame China for this. It’s the greedy American companies behind this, I’m sure of it. Cheap product, cheap labor, market it as if it were American. Anytime the stock market goes up, think of your busted patch kit.

Now, when the Chinese poisoned the pet food in order to cheat the protein standards, that’s a different story.

And, one more anecdote: some years ago I bought some Cascadian Farm organic frozen broccoli. At home I turned over the package and was stunned to see “product of China” on it. I did a little research: Cascadian Farmwas began as a granola hippie outfit in Washington, but it had been sold to General Mills. ding ding ding. That broccoli was produced cheap (who knows if it was really organic) but they kept the hippie veneer, with $$ price to match. I was livid. Well, recently I was in a couple stores that used to carry Cascadian Farm, and it was nowhere to be found. Could they have discontinued it? I hope so. The foodies are not fooled by such nonsense.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-11-17 08:31:14

Agreed. The Chinese factories build to the American vendor’s specs. If the vendor specifies a cheap price - then it’s cheap plastic you get. I know it’s not popular to say this, but I’ve seen and used some very well made Chinese produced goods. And the quality and complexity of their products is increasing at a brisk pace.

Bottom line: don’t let American beancounters off the hook when criticizing Chinese made products.

Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 08:48:06

Good point, edge.

Sigh. It’s all so….tawdry. Depressingly tawdry.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 17:56:43

Sorry edge, but I have lots of experience with Chinese imports and they FLAT OUT cut corners and cheat their customer no matter who spec’d it.

Especially if it’s us. It’s a “pride” thing with them ya know?

(there are other, deeper, geopolitical reasons, but that’s another story)

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Comment by aNYCdj
Comment by Al
2009-11-17 10:53:27

The quaint building in the luscious valley; definitely in China. The bald eagle in the top right corner is an obvious airbrush.

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Comment by packman
2009-11-17 11:04:39

Thanks for the info - I never knew that.

Interestingly - the “About Us” link in the Cascadian Farm website makes no mention of General Mills; just says that they’ve “grown”. The GM website though has it in its brand list at least.

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Comment by packman
2009-11-17 11:08:51

Side not - the “About Us” page does say this however:

Copyright ©2009 Small Planet Foods, Inc. All rights reserved. Read our privacy policy and terms of use or contact us.

Small Planet Foods?

Turns out that is indeed the organic / natural arm of General Mills - but once again the Small Planet Foods website doesn’t mention anything about General Mills.

Not that I have anything against General Mills. It’s just interesting how their organic foods brands obviously distance themselves from the GM umbrella, marketing-wise.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-11-17 17:44:47

On the Cascadian Farm website:

“As time went on, we worked hard to recruit and train hundreds of organic growers around the nation and the world, ensuring our products would include only the finest organic ingredients…

Now, we’re a leading grower, marketer and distributor of a wide range of delicious organic products”

Please note Big Biz BS in bold. “Around the nation and the world” means ‘China.’ “Marketer and distributor” means: ‘We put the CF label on the bag to fool you.’

Fun exercise: next time you’re in the store, see how many boxes list where the food actually comes from, and how many boxes just say “distributed by.” Start with cheap olive oil and cheap orange juice. It’s clear that they just pick whatever country is cheapest that weak (or even mix product).

 
Comment by Carlos4
2009-11-17 18:58:14

I refuse to knowingly buy any food product from China, especially seafood (mushy, nasty, muddy flavored). God only knows what its been dragged thru before they bag it.

 
 
 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-11-17 08:23:13

Harbor Freight = Tolls From Hell

Comment by james
2009-11-17 13:24:04

Tools from Hell?

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-11-17 13:32:31

They used to be called “Harbor Freight Salvage” but thought the salvage part was too negative.

 
 
 
Comment by cougar91
2009-11-17 07:41:03

Food + Energy prices up, deflation otherwise

By Christopher S. Rugaber, AP Economics Writer
On 8:52 am EST, Tuesday November 17, 2009

WASHINGTON (AP) — Wholesale prices rose less than expected in October as the weak economy keeps inflation pressures largely in check.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Monday that inflation probably will remain “subdued for some time.” That allows the central bank to keep the short-term interest rate it controls at its record low of nearly zero.

The Labor Department said Tuesday that its Producer Price Index rose 0.3 percent last month, after falling 0.6 percent in September. Analysts had expected a 0.5 percent gain, according to Thomson Reuters.

The index tracks the prices of goods before they reach store shelves and is considered an early read of price trends.

In the 12 months ending in October, producer prices fell 1.9 percent, the 11th straight decline.

Excluding volatile food and energy costs, the core index dropped 0.6 percent in October.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-11-17 08:25:54

Tsk, tsk, what a shame. All those extra dollars spent at the gas station could have been spent elsewhere.

I wonder what percentage of all the stimulator efforts, on a per household basis, have simply been swallowed up by increases in the price of gasoline?

Comment by measton
2009-11-17 10:31:18

BINGO

The stimulator is not designed to help the American household. It’s designed to help Wall Street and Banks.

Comment by maplesucks
2009-11-17 14:10:54

“So then you get the argument, well, this is not a stimulus bill, this is a spending bill. What do you think a stimulus is? (Laughter and applause.) That’s the whole point. No, seriously. (Laughter.) That’s the point. (Applause.) ”

Obama encouraging his peeps to support stimulus bill.

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Comment by yensoy
2009-11-17 11:08:24

Just as predicted by many of us on this blog - deflation for goods we want, inflation for goods we need. The worst combination.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-11-17 12:03:21

I was thinking the exact same thing when I read that, yensoy!

Food and energy are needs, and inflating. Everything else appears to be mildly deflating.

 
 
 
Comment by cougar91
2009-11-17 08:08:34

Another it’s less bad… therefore must be all good:

Report: Record Mortgage Loan Delinquency Rates in Q3

TransUnion reports that the 60 day mortgage delinquency rate increased to a record 6.25% in Q3, from 5.81% in Q2.

Mortgage loan delinquency (the ratio of borrowers 60 or more days past due) increased for the 11th straight quarter, hitting an all-time national average high of 6.25 percent for the third quarter of 2009. This statistic is traditionally seen as a precursor to foreclosure and increased 7.57 percent from the previous quarter’s 5.81 percent average. While still increasing, this quarter marks the third consecutive period the delinquency rate increase has decelerated. For comparison purposes, the delinquency rate from the fourth quarter 2008 to first quarter 2009 saw an increase of almost 14 percent, and the percent change from first quarter to second quarter 2009 increased by 11.3 percent. Year-over-year, mortgage borrower delinquency is up approximately 58 percent (from 3.96 percent).

Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2009-11-17 12:24:30

According to the Credit Suisse reset chart, the Option Arm party is just getting started. Should see a higher percentage of those loans going bad.

Just in time for the next expiration of the $8,000 tax credit.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 08:13:45

Finding Jobs.

ITEM: With unemployment among blacks at more than 15 percent, the N.A.A.C.P. will join several other groups today to call on President Obama to do more to create jobs. The organizations — including the A.F.L.-C.I.O. and the National Council of La Raza, a Hispanic advocacy group— will make clear that they believe the president’s $787 billion stimulus program has not gone far enough to fight unemployment.

Obama has already said he will convene a ‘jobs summit’ to finally bring the problem under control. Using all the analytic skill that his administration can muster, the President is determined to figure out why so many people are losing their jobs and then formulate a solution. The Obama administration can analyze the job market until the cows come home, but the government will fail if its “solution” is to borrow billions to create make-work jobs at today’s artificially high wage levels.

If left alone the marketplace would create plenty of jobs, but not at present wage levels. Hasn’t anyone noticed that the economy is imploding all over the place and the price trends are DOWN? Wages and salaries are prices people charge for their time and energy. If a job paying $45,000.00 a year becomes worth only $35,000.00 which is better…take the lower salary or become unemployed?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-11-17 09:36:30

Wage deflation’s gonna rock our world.

Why it’s as unAmerican as say, house price deflation!

Comment by In Colorado
2009-11-17 09:44:38

If they think foreclsoure rates are bad now….

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-11-17 09:58:03

It’s too bad the authorities can’t print jobs. Well, at least, we can eat our houses.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-11-17 12:15:09

“It’s too bad the authorities can’t print jobs.”

I think they can—sort of. If they deflate the currency sufficiently, we can on-shore jobs at current nominal wage levels.

Of course, the same nominal wage will buy only a third of the goods from the rest of the world, but I’m sure that won’t be a problem for the average consumer, will it?

 
 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-11-17 17:20:12

This is what is so frustrating. I try to explain to people this crisis is made much more horrific due ONLY to the huge debt loads people are carrying. Who cares if you go from earning $100,000/year to $50,000/year if everyone around you is having exactly the same cut and prices of everything have been cut in half. But add an $800,000 mortgage into the picture and suddenly people are screwed.

And of course, those of us without huge debt but lower incomes are still screwed because prices must remain up (via the government and seller’s perceptions) in order to pay off their large debts.

I don’t mind a simpler standard of living and I don’t mind working hard and saving for the things I really do want. But I’ve always felt that way. And once again I am getting punished for the ones who do not and have borrowed their way into a deep hole. :(

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 18:35:01

Er, wages haven’t kept up with real inflation for the last 30 years.

Now if you continue to lower wages in a 75% consumer economy, what happens? Hint: prices can only drop so far before a company goes out of business… which creates more unemployment.

Kind of like, well, now.

So wage or no wage, that job has to EXIST first before you consider the wage. And if the wage doesn’t allow your employee to do anything but subsist, it won’t support the general economy.

Don’t even tell me the money didn’t exist. Maybe the wealthy should have invested in American jobs instead of, oh, say, CDOs, deritives, hedge funds.

Back in the olden days, companies would take their profits and *GASP* reinvest in their own company. I know, I know, how perfectly antiquated right? But it’s different this time!

Comment by meastman
2009-11-17 22:22:15

Now companies invest in CEO bonus payments and stock options. The only way to make real money is to steal it.

Remember you can’t help the poor and middle class by taxing the top 1% or by regulating them.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 08:46:22

US Wants China to Buy into Its Small Banks.
17 Nov 2009
Reuters

Chinese and U.S. regulators are negotiating a pact aimed at encouraging Chinese financial institutions to buy into small and medium-sized banks in the United States, bankers briefed on the plan said on Tuesday.

Chinese bankers have complained that it’s been difficult for them to set up branches or invest in banks in the world’s leading economy, due partly to U.S. regulators’ tough supervision and strict approval process for financial deals.

But the global financial landscape has been revamped by the credit crisis, and cash-rich Chinese banks are now bigger players on the world scene and are scouting around for investment targets.

To illustrate the global shake-down, Industrial and Commercial Bank of China is now the world’s biggest bank by market value, while Citigroup [C 4.18 --- UNCH (0)], once the world’s No.1 bank, is worth the same as a second-tier commercial bank in China.

Two senior Chinese bankers said they had been invited this year by U.S. officials, investment bankers and financial advisers to look at several potential investments in U.S. banks, mostly in financial trouble.

“The trend is already there,” said one Chinese banker.

“Now they’re going to make this into an agreement to show there’s a change in official attitude towards Chinese investments in the U.S. banking system,” said the banker, who declined to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the matter.

Comment by oxide
2009-11-17 08:50:37

Fine, as long as they clearly label which banks are half-owned by China, so I can avoid them.

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-11-17 10:35:10

LOL, oxide. Full disclosure would go a long way in many areas of the corporate world.

 
Comment by polly
2009-11-17 11:20:34

Yup.

They can’t have my USAA.

 
 
Comment by yensoy
2009-11-17 11:16:04

The Chinese are experts are hiding non-performing loans (i.e. those in default) in their banks, so who better than them to put lipstick on the pigs that these banks are?

Comment by Al
2009-11-17 11:30:42

Maybe the new Chinese masters of these banks will lend money to people who can’t pay it back.

 
Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2009-11-17 12:29:17

According to some Chinese I know, the Chinese business people keep three sets of books: (1) for themselves; (2) for their partners; and (3) for the government.

Comment by Al
2009-11-17 12:57:21

I’ve heard of double entry accounting, but triple?

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 18:37:54

Hollywood uses 4.

 
Comment by combotechie
2009-11-17 18:47:59

“Hollywood uses 4.”

Lol, ain’t it the truth!

Want the percentage of the net? Not a problem, just sign your name right here.

What? You want a percentage of the gross?

Uh, we’ll have to get back to you on that.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 08:54:07

Do the right thing, Paul, get rid of the H1Bs and hire back the American workers who made you, and you just might beat this thing.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Windows/Microsoft-CoFounder-Paul-Allen-Diagnosed-With-Lymphoma-601587/

Comment by yensoy
2009-11-17 11:14:19

Your comment is in poor taste. He has cancer - what does that have to do with H1-Bs? He left MS in 83, was there even an H1-B program back then?

(and I’m not even getting into the pros and cons of the program)

Comment by palmetto
2009-11-17 11:40:54

“Your comment is in poor taste.”

Geez, I’m sorry. I was confused. I should have mentioned real estate, not H1Bs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Allen

Never too late to do the right thing.

Just venting my frustration with H1Bs right now due to the fact I’m having to deal with them regarding an online matter. I now know why India’s bureaucracy is such a nightmare.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-11-17 11:51:18

Allen officially resigned from his position on the Microsoft board in November 2000 but was asked to consult as a senior strategy advisor to the company’s executives.[11] He sold 68 million shares of Microsoft stock that year,[12] but still owns a reported 138 million shares.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 11:08:30

The share prices of the firms mentioned in this article are generally headed south. It tells you something about how well pump-and-dump efforts are working out for the builders these days.

Nonetheless, I note that the builder stocks appear to have plunge protection measures in place. For instance, Toll’s stock has gyrated around the $20/share level ever since the onset of the financial crisis. I expect it to continue doing so until the crisis is over.

Nov. 17, 2009, 12:11 p.m. EST

Forecast mixed for stocks of home builders and retailers

By Kate Gibson, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Stocks of residential builders have benefited amid signs of improvement in the troubled housing sector, although there are those that largely chalk up any gains to controversial tax credits for home buyers.

“It’s been a tough four years, and I think hopefully we’re at the bottom of this thing. We’re seeing signs of things going in the right direction,” Larry Nicholson, chief executive officer of Ryland Group Inc. (RYL 19.69, -0.25, -1.25%) , said Tuesday at an industry conference.

Also recognizing some signs of industry stabilization, Home Depot Inc. (HD 26.63, -1.02, -3.69%) Chief Executive Frank Blake noted “a great deal of pressure” remains in the housing and home-improvement markets.

The News Hub panel discusses whether a spike in commodity prices could cause investor pain down the road.

Home Depot shares were down more than 4% after the home-improvement retailer’s implied fourth-quarter forecast fell short of Wall Street’s expectations. Read details about Home Depot’s results

Home Depot’s results came one day after Lowe’s Cos. Inc. (LOW 21.35, -0.39, -1.79%) reported a quarterly profit drop of 30%, saying recession-weary consumers continued to delay big-ticket purchases.

“Lowe’s continues to deal with a difficult home-building and home-improvement environment,” said Fred Dickson, chief market strategist at Davidson Cos.

And, in preliminary quarterly results released last week, Toll Brothers Inc. (TOL 20.79, -0.43, -2.03%) said its orders jumped a better-than-expected 42% from the year-ago period.

But the results are unlikely to translate into a profitable 2010 for the luxury builder, maintains Stephen East, a research analyst at Pali.

“The next two quarters will show massive order growth thanks to the tax credit, management focus on burning through inventory and ridiculously easy comparisons. However, converting some near-term volumes into sustainable profitability is too much of a leap for us,” he wrote in a research note.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 11:12:19

Thank Heavens there are a few optimists left in the MSM financial press!

Paul B. Farrell

Nov. 17, 2009, 12:01 a.m. EST

Wall Street’s 2012 meltdown sweepstakes
Don’t say we didn’t warn you this time — a new crash is dead ahead

By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch

LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) — It’s coming in 2012: Another, bigger meltdown of Wall Street’s “too-greedy-to-fail” banks. No, this is not another fanatical warning about that Dec. 21, 2012 end-of-days prediction based on the Mayan calendar, though you may well ask “Who will survive?”

Here is what’s happening: History is repeating itself. Wall Street’s soul-sickness is setting up a new meltdown. Dead ahead. Be prepared.

My track record speaks for itself. Back on March 20, 2000, my column headline read: “Next crash? Sorry, you’ll never hear it coming.” Bull’s eye: The dot-com bubble popped at 11,722. The economy collapsed. A 30-month recession. Markets lost $8 trillion. Today the market is still below that 2000 peak. Factor in inflation and Wall Street’s “too-greedy-too-fail” banks have lost about 30% of your retirement nest eggs in this decade. Incompetent? Clueless? No, Wall Street is a bunch of crooks without consciences.

Comment by Northeastener
2009-11-17 15:22:28

Next crash? Sorry, you’ll never hear it coming

Thanks for the heads up… where were you back in 2000 when I was sitting on a six-figure fortune in stock options (worthless by the end of 2001).

If I knew then what I know now… here’s a tip for all you traders (and long investors): no fewer than 10 different stocks from the S&P 500 are looking at various bearish reversal setups for the Tuesday/Wednesday timeframe, the most I’ve seen show up on my radar yet. Not a single bullish pattern showed up in my screening. Needless to say, I wouldn’t be long the S&P over the next few days.

For those with a gambler’s nature and familiar with Japanese Candlestick Patterns, here’s what’s I’m looking at as possible shorts:
FDO (Dark Cloud Cover), AET (Bearish Engulfing Patter), FPL (Bearish Engulfing Pattern), MCO (Bearish Engulfing Pattern), LH (Doji Star), LLY (Doji Star), CAG (Hanging Man), VIA.B (Hanging Man), TMK (Harami Cross), WYNN (3 Outside Down)…

Comment by In Montana
2009-11-17 15:50:57

Heh. Beware the Doji Star! Love it.

I’m out…(again).

Comment by Northeastener
2009-11-17 16:18:17

I’ve found the Evening Doji Star and Morning Doji Star are especially potent when combined with traditional technical analysis. Ignore at your peril. My personal favorite is “Dark Cloud Cover”… darkly poetic.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 11:22:19

I have a feeling the renewal of the home buyer’s tax credit is setting up the home builders for more disappointment. The fence sitters who would base their purchase decisions on $8K in free money have already been beaten into the market. The impact of the credit’s renewal is hence likely to be “weaker than expected.”

market pulse

Nov. 17, 2009, 1:00 p.m. EST
U.S. Nov. home builders’ index flat at 17

* Home builders still irritable, survey says (1:08p)
* Five tips on tapping the new home-buyer tax credit (Nov. 16)
* How did economy do without Uncle Sam’s subsidies? (Nov. 15)
* Tax credit or no, let the home purchase proceed (Nov. 16)

By Rex Nutting

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - U.S. home builders remained discouraged about their business in November, but were a bit more hopeful about future sales, according to a monthly survey released Tuesday by the National Association of Home Builders. The home builders’ sentiment index held steady at 17 in November, but October’s index was revised lower to 17 from the 18 previously reported. Economists surveyed by MarketWatch were forecasting an improvement to 19. The survey had risen to 19 in September but fell in the past two months as it appeared that the federal $8,000 subsidy for first-time home buyers would expire on Nov. 30. The November survey was conducted before Congress voted to extend the subsidy to June and to expand it to some repeat buyers.

Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2009-11-17 11:42:42

November Homebuilder Confidence in U.S. Lower Than Forecast

Nov. 17 (Bloomberg) — Confidence among U.S. homebuilders in November was lower than anticipated as companies fretted over the possible expiration of a government tax credit.

Here is what David Crowe is saying: “Home builders and buyers were in something of a holding pattern in early November” before the government incentive was extended, said David Crowe, the NAHB’s chief economist.

What David Crowe is really thinking: 8K giveaway incentives to anyone who can fog a mirror and things are still headed into the crapper. It’s over.

http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aNV1kOww.8N4&pos=1

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 11:46:46

Homebuilder Confidence in U.S. Lower Than Forecast (Update1)

By Shobhana Chandra

Nov. 17 (Bloomberg) — Confidence among U.S. homebuilders in November was lower than anticipated as companies fretted over the possible expiration of a government tax credit.

The National Association of Home Builders/Wells Fargo index of builder confidence held at 17 for a second month, the Washington-based association said today. A reading below 50 means most respondents view conditions as poor. The median forecast of economists in a Bloomberg News survey was for a reading of 19.

Mounting unemployment and foreclosures are restraining builders’ attempts to trim the glut of unsold houses. Even so, companies including Toll Brothers Inc. have reported a jump in orders, a sign that residential construction is likely to keep contributing to economic growth in coming quarters.

“Home builders and buyers were in something of a holding pattern in early November” before the government incentive was extended, David Crowe, the NAHB’s chief economist, said in a statement. Builders are also facing problems in obtaining credit, he said.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 11:28:47

Was it the crisis or the policy response which confirmed the existence of free (taxpayer-provided) bailout insurance for TBTF firms that worsened the too-big-to-fail problem?

Fed’s Kohn: Crisis has worsened too-big-to-fail problem
Mon Nov 16, 2009 7:42pm EST

CHICAGO (Reuters) - The issue of large financial firms being perceived as “too big to fail” is bigger now than it was before the crisis, the Federal Reserve’s number two official said on Monday.

Fed Vice Chairman Donald Kohn said bailouts have worsened the “too big to fail” problem and said the government needs a way to resolve big institutions in an orderly way.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 11:32:56

It’s Time to End ‘Too Big to Fail’

By Ilan Moscovitz and Morgan Housel

Published in Investing Strategy on 16 November 2009

The US is making the same mistakes. It will all end in tears, again.

Of the 8,195 banks in the US, just four, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Wells Fargo, and Bank of America control nearly 40% of the deposits. Those four, plus Goldman Sachs, hold 97% of the industry’s notional derivative exposure.

These statistics would be hilarious if they weren’t true, and if the banks behind them didn’t have the power to manipulate vast portions of the economy. We spent the latter half of 2008 feeling the wrath of “too big to fail.” Today, US banks are bigger than ever. We need to end that. Now.

It Will Happen Again

We all know the downside of “too big to fail.” They screw up; we pay the price. Yet many people (mostly bankers) still defend the practice. So rather than firing off reasons why “too big to fail” is such a menace — you already know those — we’ll refute the arguments defending it.

Start with the first argument — that post-Lehman, the problem has evaporated. JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon, for example, recently argued that his bank wasn’t too big to fail. Wrong. JPMorgan Chase is not very likely to fail at the moment, but let’s not pretend that the eruption of its balance sheet, with more than $79 trillion in notional derivative exposure wouldn’t annihilate everything in sight.

Plus, we’ll remind you that AIG, Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers, Citigroup, Washington Mutual, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac all once gave off the impression of being “not very likely to fail”, too. Overcoming the notion that last autumn’s financial crisis was a random, one-off event is perhaps the most crucial aspect of stabilizing the financial industry. Last autumn was no fluke. It will happen again.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 12:36:43

Dumb questions of the day:

1) Has the US banking sector ever been more concentrated than it is presently?

2) Wasn’t excessive concentration a key force behind last fall’s too-big-to-fail bailouts of the US banking sector?

Comment by packman
2009-11-17 13:43:41

1) Has the US banking sector ever been more concentrated than it is presently?

1920’s: US had 25,000 banks and 120 million people, or one bank per 4,800 people.

Current: US has just under 7,000 banks and 300 milliion people, or one bank per 43,000 people.

This despite the fact that people actually *use* banking a lot more today than they did years ago.

So I’d say that’s an unqualified “no”.

Comment by packman
2009-11-17 13:45:38

(Conclusion for question #2 easily drawn forthwith)

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 11:34:53

* November 16, 2009, 1:27 PM ET

Bernanke on ‘Too Big Too Fail’: Just Breaking Up Banks Not the Answer

By Matt Phillips

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke voiced skepticism that breaking-up big banks is the way to solve the so-called too big to fail problem among the financial institutions that survived the crisis.

Asked for his thoughts on Bank of England Gov. Mervyn King’s recent speech that advocated breaking up banks that were so large that their failure would represent a risk to the broader financial system, Bernanke said that making banks smaller would not necessarily be the solution to the problem. Smaller banks can also play important roles in financial systems, he said. He noted that during the 1930s, the U.S. didn’t have too many large bank failures, but the country suffered thousands of failures of smaller banks that added to the woes of the Great Depression. “I don’t think simply making banks smaller is the way to do it,” he said.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 13:11:56

Charlie Munger, who has mastered the English language in amazing ways, said it best:

“People really thought that giving a predatory class of people the ability to do whatever they wanted was free market enterprise. It wasn’t. It was legalized armed robbery. And it was incredibly stupid.”

Dimon, in his op-ed, suggests creating a regulatory structure able to handle the failure of megabanks, the same way the FDIC seizes and sells failed commercial banks. This sounds good in theory, but it’s seriously flawed. A pillar of the FDIC system is the ability of larger, stronger, banks to purchase and absorb failed ones. When Washington Mutual failed last year, JPMorgan was right there to scoop it up. The transition was nearly flawless and pain-free. But this was only because JPMorgan was so large that it could digest WaMu’s $307 billion in assets with relative ease.

What happens when JPMorgan, Bank of America (NYSE: BAC), or Citigroup (NYSE: C) — each with about $2 trillion in assets, and gazillions of dollars in notional derivate exposure — fails? There isn’t a single private institution in this country that could absorb a balance sheet that large — except the federal government, which is why we experienced last year’s bailouts.

Comment by packman
2009-11-17 13:48:40

There isn’t a single private institution in this country that could absorb a balance sheet that large — except the federal government, which is why we experienced last year’s bailouts.

Rhetorical answer:

So? Who says failed entities have to be bought by a single buyer? The answer is - they don’t.

Break ‘em up!

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 11:59:07

UPDATE 1-BofA knew of Merrill pain in November -House panel
Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:32pm EST

WASHINGTON, Nov 17 (Reuters) - A congressional panel
accused Bank of America Corp (BAC.N) on Tuesday of knowing
about Merrill Lynch & Co’s huge losses as early as November
2008, suggesting the bank lied to investors in saying it did
not grasp the depth of the problems until the following month.

The U.S. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee
unveiled internal Bank of America documents they said show the
bank was alarmed by the losses far before shareholders of both
companies approved the merger last Dec. 5.

Democratic and Republican lawmakers piled criticism on
Brian Moynihan, a key figure in putting together the merger and
a leading candidate to replace the outgoing Chief Executive
Kenneth Lewis, and two bank directors.

“I find your testimony troubling,” Democratic Rep. Elijah
Cummings told Moynihan, Bank of America’s general counsel when
the merger closed on Jan. 1 and now its retail banking chief.
“I find some of the things you said not believable.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 12:02:30

Can anyone who knows the definition please explain what is meant by “strong dollar policy”?

Investing November 16, 2009, 7:17PM EST

Low Interest Rates: Steroids for the Stock Rally?

The “carry trade” that helps fuel this global rally is fed by super-low interest rates—and the cheap capital they create. Should investors worry?

By Ben Steverman
Finance

Nov. 16 featured two events now familiar to traders: Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke told financial markets to expect low interest rates “for an extended period.” And once again the value of the U.S. dollar slipped vs. other major currencies. Both developments were welcomed by traders who are plying the dangerous but profitable “carry trade.”

In the dollar carry trade, investors borrow money in U.S. dollars, taking advantage of very low short-term interest rates. Armed with cheap money, they buy up higher-yielding assets. Everything from Hong Kong real estate and commodities to foreign and even U.S. stocks can be driven higher by the carry trade.

Investment flows associated with it can also exacerbate the dollar’s weakness. “This kind of carry trade generates remarkable pressure on the dollar,” says Michele Gambera, chief economist at Ibbotson Associates, a subsidiary of Morningstar (MORN).

On Nov. 16, the U.S. dollar index—a measure of its strength against a basket of world currencies—lost 0.37% of its value, extending an eight-month slump. A euro is now worth almost $1.50, up sharply from $1.25 in March.

The weakening of the dollar may be good news for U.S. exporters, but it alarms the country’s foreign trading partners. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner heard concerns about the dollar’s strength from Asian finance ministers at last week’s Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation forum. The dollar is also certain to be on President Barack Obama’s agenda during his first visit to China this week.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 12:44:32

Gun sales shoot up amid America’s fear of rising crime and terrorism.
US Business Correspondent. ~ UK

Americans fear recession leads inevitably to more crime, leaving them staring down the barrel of a criminal’s gun.

Smith & Wesson, the famed American gunmaker once owned by Tomkins, the British conglomerate, expects to nearly double its annual sales in the next three to five years as demand for its firearms soars in the recession. It is not alone.

All over America demand for firearms and ammunition is rising amid concerns that rising unemployment, which passed 10 per cent this month, will lead inexorably to higher rates of crime. Fears of terrorism have also helped to lift demand, as have concerns among gun owners that the Obama Administration may introduce restrictions on gun ownership and impose additional taxes.

Smith & Wesson is expecting sales to rise by 30 per cent to $102 million (£61 million) in the first quarter of the next financial year, after growing by more than 13 per cent this year to $335 million.

At Sturm and Ruger, sales for the third quarter hit $71.2 million, up 70 per cent from the same period last year. At Glock, the leader in law enforcement markets, pistol sales rose by 71 per cent in the first quarter of the financial year for 2010, in comparison with the same period last year.

According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the FBI carried out more than a million background checks on behalf of gun dealers in September (a check is required with every sale), an increase of 12.4 per cent on the same period in the previous year.

Mike Golden, chief executive at Smith and Wesson, is sceptical about the so-called Obama effect on gun sales, believing that his company’s booming revenues have “nothing to do with the administration” and everything to do with the economy.

Comment by cobaltblue
2009-11-17 13:32:09

Nidal Hasan, Nidal Hasan… where have I heard that name before???

Before he (allegedly and single-handedly) wreaked havoc upon Ft. Hood, guess who was a member of Obama’s Presidential Transition Task Force , in association with the Homeland Security Policy Institute?

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.PDF

Look for the Nidal Hasan on page 29 of the document, left hand side (p.32 of PDF).

Quality picks everywhere you turn, on the O-Team.

Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 15:00:55

Oh yea, team Barry is chalk full “O” nuts.

 
Comment by laurel, md
2009-11-17 18:13:40

Nidal attended a conference put on by George Wash U ….every U and think tank in the DC Metro area puts these things on. Some are money makers for the instuition. Usually it is just what these instuitions do. Did he pay for his seat or did the Army?

Oh, wasn’t Nidals commission approved by Bush?

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-11-17 13:38:06

Heck WaPo put out this article today . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/16/AR2009111602635.html

All that is required is a bipartisan, pro-constitutional bill to extend the Second Amendment’s protection of gun ownership to all Americans, whether they like it or not.

Under such legislation — let’s call it the Gun Insurance Act of 2009 — every American would be required to buy some kind of gun. Those who cannot afford even the simplest weapon — say, those whose 2009 annual income is less than twice the federal poverty level — could be issued $500 vouchers . . .

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 12:44:38

What do you all make of the Market Oracle’s charge that the Fed has been illegally buying CDO and MBS debt? I thought the Fed was above the rule of law?

The Fed’s Policy of Near Zero Interest Rates
Interest-Rates / US Interest Rates Nov 16, 2009 - 12:30 PM

By: Bob_Chapman

Interest-Rates

One of the outcomes of Fed policy of near zero interest rates is that seniors cannot live on an income of 1-1/2% and that pension funds, insurance companies and endowments cannot fulfill their commitments. As yields eventually rise, although the Fed has signaled that is at least a year away, and if Japan is any guideline, we could be 19 years away from solving the problem of fiduciaries.

This is part of a so-called exit strategy, which may be far, far away. As we have cited in the past, the Fed is in a box and cannot get out. If they raise rates and curtail money and credit, deflation will take over and deflationary depression will begin. Europe hasn’t raised rates, except for big oil producer Norway, but they have cut back the issuance of money and credit over the last year from 12.8% to 5.7%. In this environment Europe is tempting fate.

If and or when interest rates rise the riskier assets will be under severe pressure as will borrowers such as hedge funds and brokerage firms and banks, which still average lending of 40 times assets and whose balance sheets look like a tornado hit them.

Instead of upsetting the economy it has been suggested that excess reserves be drained form the banking system so that business and the investors do not understand what is going on. A bit of slight of hand. Then perhaps the program of the Fed monetizing CDOs, Agencies and Treasuries be ended. Such a move would send the economy plummeting into oblivion. Borrowing by government would screech to a halt and again deflation would reign.

These programs are supposed to be over, or in the case of CDOs and MBS, they are supposed to end next March. This is why the Fed cannot face an audit. They have for some time been secretly buying or arranging to have been bought all of these debt obligations illegally. The CDO, MBS program cannot be stopped. Otherwise the big banks could never clear their balance sheets and the result would be bankruptcy. Thus, until those banks, brokerage houses and insurance companies are rid of their problem assets the program cannot end. If the program ends they all go under. The toxic assets being bought by the taxpayer via the Fed will have to be worked off over the next 30 years with grievous losses. The high sounding Supplementary Financing Program is a transference of debt from banks, Wall Street and insurance to the taxpayer. Even worse is the Fed’s ability to pay interest on the money banks have borrowed from them at a higher rate of course, allowing the taxpayer to give free money to the banks, which, of course, is insane.

Even if reserves were drained it would have to encompass at least a two-year period. They propose to remove trillions of dollars from the economy and even being left with trillions in the economy after the general withdrawal of funds. Unfortunately as this occurs more than 2,000 banks will have gone out of business. These are the small and medium-sized banks that are not too big to fail. This, of course, is part of a nationalization process to consolidate banking in order to bring about world banking under the IMF. The Fed may have taken an enormous amount of debt supply out of the market, but as that has occurred a new massive amount of debt has hit the market. These capital demands are going to put big upward pressure on real interest rates over the next two years. As you can see the Fed, the elitists have no way out.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 12:49:13

Glug, glug, glug…

Underwater Mortgages Could Sink Even Deeper
Published: Monday, 16 Nov 2009 | 10:32 AM ET
By: Diana Olick
CNBC Real Estate Reporter

Home prices may be stabilizing in some areas in the nation, but the damage has already been done in the housing markets that saw the biggest boom and in turn the biggest bust.

Home buying in these markets reached a frenzied pace during the middle of this decade, and that means that a good portion of buyers purchased homes at the top of the market. No surprise that they have now sunk deepest underwater on their mortgages.

A new survey from Zillow.com shows that even in those markets where investor competition has returned and prices on the low end are beginning to stabilize, homeowners still owe far more on their mortgages than their homes are currently worth.

Las Vegas leads the way with 81.8 percent of borrowers underwater on their loans in the third quarter of this year, down barely one percent from the second quarter but still up 10 percent from the first quarter.

The bulk of underwater borrowers are in California, Florida, Arizona and Nevada. While home prices nationwide were down 8.5 percent in September from a year ago, prices in these states are still way down — 34 percent in Las Vegas, 26 percent in Orlando, 23 percent in Phoenix and 11 percent in Los Angeles (National Association of Realtors). Again, that’s from a year ago, but many of these cities have seen over 50 percent price declines from the peak of the market.

Some argue that “underwater” borrowers are no different than any other borrowers, as long as they continue to make their monthly mortgage payments, and as long as they continue to want to live in their homes, knowing they will have to wait out the market for home equity to gradually return.

But the danger is for those that need to sell, or for those who can no longer afford their monthly payments and don’t qualify for a loan modification.

The government mortgage rescue programs do allow for modifications and refinances on homes with up to 25 percent negative equity, but many homeowners, especially in the hardest hit regions, don’t think they will ever see equity again, and therefore see no reason to continue making payments on their loans, whether they are able to or not.

Many are simply sitting in their homes, rent-free, as banks struggle to catch up and contact them. Others are vacating the homes, mailing in the keys, and choosing a credit hit, rather than be strapped to a home that will only ever be a liability.

Comment by In Montana
2009-11-17 15:52:56

Quite the link there, PB. How’d you do it?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 15:57:03

Just miss the closing tag, and you inadvertently link the whole article. (This is a hazard of posting to a blog with no edit function to clean up the occasional boo-boo…)

Comment by drumminj
2009-11-18 00:07:09

well, PB, if you were using my plugin it’d stop you from doing that :P

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 12:51:53

The Battered Businesses Behind Housing
Published: Monday, 9 Nov 2009 | 2:47 PM ET
By: Diana Olick
CNBC Real Estate Reporter

Susan Walsh / AP

It’s not surprising, but I thought you might like to get a look at a really interesting chart I received from Sageworks, Inc, which does financial analysis of privately-held companies.

It shows rankings of the worst-performing sectors this year and last, based on the extent of revenue declines in each period.

Eight out of 10 are real estate-related.

While we all worry so much about the auto industry, I find it astounding that we don’t pay all that much attention to the battered industries behind the battered housing market.

It seems as if government is focused mainly on all the troubled borrowers, with not much attention paid to the businesses behind housing.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 12:54:26

Unidentified Toronto-based real estate company buys Pontiac stadium for $583,000 - a fraction of the $55.7 million it cost to build.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — An unidentified Canadian real estate company was the winning bidder for the Silverdome, snatching it up for a mere fraction of its original value.

A Toronto-based family-owned company bid $583,000 for the under-used stadium on Monday, which is currently owned by the City of Pontiac, Mich., according to auctioneer Williams & Williams.

The company plans to refurbish the Silverdome into a stadium for men’s Major League Soccer and women’s professional soccer teams, said the auctioneer. While the stadium was the former home of the National Foodball League’s Detroit Lions, it also played host to the World Cup in 1994, when Brazil beat Italy in a knuckle-biter that ended in a penalty shootout.

The auctioneer Williams & Williams, based in Tulsa, Okla., said it will not identify the buyer “until the final details are worked out and the sale closes.”

Comment by packman
2009-11-17 13:13:40

Wow.

462,000 square feet. That’d be $1.26 per sq ft.

Comment by Mr. Drysdale
2009-11-17 15:17:04

you could probably scrap it out and make money at that number!! Wow is right.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 12:55:27

Questions for the real estate investors in the blog audience:

Is real estate still the best investment?

The Cities Most Underwater

For individual homeowners, being “underwater” on a mortgage – when a home is worth less than outstanding debt, or has “negative equity” – is one of the worst positions to be in, short of foreclosure.

Zillow.com - a firm that compiles US real estate and mortgage information - has put together a list of the 156 largest metro areas that includes statistics on median home values, market changes and the proportion of homes with negative equity.

Included in the data is the “ Zillow Home Values Index ,” which represents the median measure of home valuations. According to Zillow’s Q3 report, the current median US home price is $190,414, down 6.9% from a year earlier. Almost one in five - 21% - of US homes are underwater, although this number has dropped from 23% from the second quarter of this year.

So, which metro areas have the highest proportion of homes underwater? Click ahead for the results.

By Paul Toscano
Posted 16 Nov 2009

U.S. Cities With The Most Underwater Mortgages

Comment by ren
2009-11-17 18:05:16

I’m sad — no Sacramento? I thought we were doing better than that. Or worse. I suppose it depends on if you have a mortgage which one it is.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 12:58:54

The Most Home Price Reductions

For the nation’s real estate market, home valuations have dropped off dramatically. However, the actual listing prices have not fallen as much, with realtors and sellers clinging onto original valuations, trying to minimize losses on their investments. :-)

But reduced prices could significantly increase the chances of a final sale, with homeowners finally choosing to cut their losses and accept a lower price. In a recent report by Trulia.com , the real estate website found that 25.6% of US listings have seen at least one price reduction. Of the 50 cities surveyed, 21 cities saw more than 30% of active listings receiving a price reduction, which may indicate that these markets are closer to the bottom than markets others who are hurting, but unwilling to reduce prices.

So, which US cities have seen the highest proportion of home listings getting price reductions? Click ahead to find out!

By Paul Toscano
Posted 12 Nov 2009

Source: Trulia.com

Cities With the Most Home Price Reductions

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 13:00:37

Bloomberg: Layoffs may be needed to trim budget
November 17, 2009

Mayor Bloomberg isn’t afraid to keep swinging that budget ax.

The mayor said today that he would not rule out the possibility of municipal layoffs to deal with the city’s budget woes.

“Does it mean layoffs?” he asked. “I hope not, but we’ll just see how cooperative everyone will be,” referring to unions.

Bloomberg said the city needs to save some $1.57 billion next year.

He said when it comes to finding reductions, payroll and benefits is “where it’s going to be.”

Bloomberg said personnel, including payroll and benefits, account for 78 percent of city expenditures.

“There are very few places you can go and say there is money we can easily cut — unless you talk about personnel,” he said.

The talk about possible layoffs comes as the mayor ordered spending slashed by four percent in fiscal year 2010. The cuts are meant to plug a $5 billion projected budget deficit for the 2011 budget year.

Comment by In Colorado
2009-11-17 14:32:36

But, but, but we were told that retail sales are UP! So why are municipailites having to cut back? It couldn’t be beause sale tax collections aren’t rising?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 13:02:28

Thanks to this series of reality-oriented articles by Paul Toscano, I am on the verge of forgiving CNBC for past sins of credit bubble shillery.

Discounted Hedge Fund Homes

By Paul Toscano
Posted 22 Oct 2009

With housing at the forefront of the financial crisis, the high-end market is not immune. The national drop in home values and turmoil in the stock market have combined to lower demand for homes of the ultra-rich, such as hedge fund titans.

However, in the face of multi-million dollar price reductions, these homes are beginning to offer potentially profitable (and in the mean time, prestigious) investments.

With information from Trulia.com , these lavish homes in close proximity or actually in New York City are typical of the Wall Street elite, and are also examples of some of the most significant price drops in the area over the past several months.

So, want to see some hedge fund homes currently on the market? Click ahead to see the examples!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 13:08:27

Where is the insanity in “heads-we-win, tails-you-lose” TBTF bailout insurance? I am missing the point…

What “Too Big to Fail” Means

By Morgan Housel
November 17, 2009

Last Friday, my colleague Ilan Moscovitz and I laid out why we think there’s no excuse not to break big banks apart, ending “too big to fail.” We specifically jabbed at JPMorgan Chase (NYSE: JPM) CEO Jamie Dimon, refuting what we thought were unfounded defenses of the megabank culture.

That same day, by pure coincidence, Dimon penned an op-ed in the Washington Post, again defensively writing:

“J.P. Morgan Chase, employs more than 220,000 people, serves well over 100 million customers, lends hundreds of millions of dollars each day and has operations in nearly 100 countries. And if some unforeseen circumstance should put this firm at risk of collapse, I believe we should be allowed to fail … a failed bank’s shareholders should lose their value; unsecured creditors should be at risk and, if necessary, wiped out.”

No kidding, kind sir. No one — even the most hardcore defenders — has ever suggested that shareholders shouldn’t be punished. I couldn’t care less about the shareholders of these companies. What I care about is collateral damage to the rest of the economy. That’s what “too big to fail” is all about.

Everyone wants banks that screw up to fail. That’s capitalism. But we don’t want the resulting punishment of those who didn’t screw up. That’s just insanity.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 13:14:38

Tax credit to steady, not rescue, shaky U.S. housing.

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Don’t expect the expanded home buyer tax credit to be a permanent cure for the U.S. housing market. It won’t.

Take the spike in mortgage demand created by the tax credit this summer. It was followed by a plunge as the incentive was set to expire, showing how housing’s recovery is tethered to government aid.

As the economy emerges from a recession triggered by the housing market crisis, increasing home sales is viewed as essential. Housing and related business account for about 20 percent of the economy, and more sales means more spending on everything from dishwashers to energy-efficient windows.

The Obama administration last week extended an $8,000 first-time buyer credit, added a $6,500 provision for move-up buyers and increased income limits. Eligible borrowers must sign contracts by April 30 and close loans by June 30, 2010 instead of closing by the end of this month.

Both the credit and another major government action — the purchase of more than $1.4 trillion in mortgage-related securities aimed at cutting home loan rates — will now end within weeks of each other. The purchases stop by March 31.

Unless the employment picture brightens around that time, housing does not have enough footing to forge a recovery on its own, most economists and industry experts said.

“Housing was going to fall off a cliff if they didn’t do it,” said John Burns, president of John Burns Real Estate Consulting in Irvine, California. “We’re still expecting a leg down, but it shouldn’t be as significant” as his prior estimate, which called for sales to plunge as much as 30 percent.

Up to 400,000 people bought a home for the first time due to the credit, boosting first-time buyers to a record 47 percent of sales over the past year, the National Association of Realtors has said.

With the help of the credit, existing home sales will rise 2 percent this year and 13.6 percent in 2010, the group estimates.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 13:15:59

Paul Abrams

Physician, entrepreneur, biotechnology, law, economics, politics, professional iconoclast

Posted: November 16, 2009 02:37 PM

My Response to JP Morgan’s Jamie Dimon: More to Life Than Efficiency

Read More: BreakUpTheBigBanks dot Com, Goldman Sachs, Jamie Dimon, Lloyd Blankfein, Politics News

JP Morgan’s Chief Executive Officer, Jamie Dimon, wrote an op-ed piece for Friday (the 13th, very apropos!)’s Washington Post, arguing that the big banks should not be broken up. Whereas Goldman’s Lloyd Blankfein invoked the ‘divine right’ theory (”I am doing God’s work”) of big banks, Dimon was refreshingly terrestrial:

Scale can create value for shareholders; for consumers who are beneficiaries of better products, delivered more quickly and at less cost; for the businesses that are our customers; and for the economy as a whole. (Washington Post, Op-Ed., Friday, November 13, 2009).

Note that Dimon carefully omits mention that a large company has great financial resources to pay him and his top executives enormous salaries.

Although Mr. Dimon would like nothing better than to engage in a dialogue to defend these assertions, I do not take the bait. I will concede his point, that big banks “can” do these things. They do not always, they need not, but, certainly, they “can.”

Let us recall what big banks have actually already done, using Dimon’s own style of argument:

Scale has destroyed the entire economy for workers, causing millions of unemployed; for consumers who have had little choice but to pay hidden fees on accounts and credit cards; for taxpayers who have had to bail them out with hundreds of billions of their hard-earned money, and at no cost to the fragile banks; for peoples’ retirements and lifesavings; for government that is has pauperized; for bank executives, it has provided unprecedented wealth for creating not much of anything.

Dimon concluded his paragraph above: “Artificially limiting the size of an institution, regardless of the business implications, does not make sense.” (Ibid.)

But, juxtaposed against the harm big banks have already and can do again, Dimon’s arguments for scale, even if true, are woefully inadequate.

That is, it makes perfect sense to limit your institution’s size to ensure that you, Mr. Dimon, cannot destroy me and millions of my fellow citizens again, even if you have no intent to hurt us.

Comment by measton
2009-11-17 16:33:58

#1 thing that big Wall Street Firms/Banks have done

Co opt our government.

These firms can take their pocket change and get their paid dogs in Washington to do all sorts of tricks.

Multiple smaller banks would have a much harder time agreeing on who to influence and how.

Currently Washington works for Wall Street.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 17:19:08

“Currently Washington works for Wall Street.”

America will have to rid its government of the Wall Street virus in order to survive.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 13:21:28

See no bubble, hear no bubble, speak no bubble…

The Fed

Nov. 16, 2009, 6:33 p.m. EST · Recommend (1) · Post:
Fed official sees no asset bubbles now
Raising rates to prick bubbles wrong prescription, Kohn says

By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Asset prices in U.S. financial markets aren’t obviously out of line with fundamentals, and there’s no reason for the Federal Reserve to raise rates in an attempt to prick a bubble that some say is building in equity and commodity markets, a top Fed official said Monday.

“The prices of assets in U.S. financial markets do not appear to be clearly out of line with the outlook for the economy and business prospects as well as the level of risk-free interest rates,” said Fed Vice Chairman Donald Kohn in a speech to the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 13:24:55

Wal-Mart Black Friday ad: TVs top deals
50-inch HDTV, Blu-ray player and $7 fleece jackets are among discounter’s early post-Thanksgiving specials.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Wal-Mart’s much-awaited Black Friday deals will focus on a gamut of gadgets such as high-definition TVs, laptops and Blu-ray players, as well as holiday gift favorites such as toys and DVDs, according to a copy of the retailer’s circular obtained by CNNMoney.com.

While not confirming the entire circular, a Wal-Mart spokeswoman confirmed some of the deals, which will be available between 5 a.m. and 11 a.m. local time on Nov. 27, that appear in the leaked circular.

“There’s a lot of excitement that builds up around electronics,” said Wal-Mart’s Tara Raddohl.

Items with confirmed prices for the day-after-Thanksgiving sale are a Sanyo 50-inch plasma 720p HDTV for $598, a Magnavox Blu-ray player for $78, a Tom Tom GPS for $59, select children’s clothing for as low as $3, a $7 reversible fleece jacket for kids and adults, and the Barbie Power Wheels Ride-On, a toy Jeep, for $88.

Raddohl also said Wal-Mart will match the price of any local competitor’s printed ad for an identical product

As more Americans tighten their gift lists — and budgets — retail experts expect Wal-Mart (WMT, Fortune 500) will become the destination of choice for many shoppers on the hunt for the lowest prices.

This holiday season, retail watchers expect sellers to duke it out with deep discounts on some models of HDTVs.

According to the circular, other early bird deals on Black Friday include a 32-inch Emerson LCD 720p HDTV for $248, and a 42-inch Emerson Plasma 720p HDTV ($448).

One of the juiciest Black Friday deals from Wal-Mart’s rival Target (TGT, Fortune 500) reportedly is a 32-inch Westinghouse LCD HDTV for $246.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 13:54:16

Tucson Chapter 7 filings up 40% in Oct.
Arizona Daily Star
11.17.2009

Tucson bankruptcies in October increased about 42 percent from the same month last year, fueled largely by a year-over-year increase Chapter 7 filings.

But Chapter 11 cases — typically filed by businesses to restructure their debt — dropped 50 percent. There were six of those filings in October, down from 12 the year before.

Chapter 7 filings, in which people or businesses sell off remaining assets to repay creditors, increased nearly 40 percent. There were 500 such filings last month and 359 the previous October. The number of Chapter 13 filings — for individuals to restructure their debt — rose 70 percent to 121 in October.

Phoenix continued to see increases in Chapter 7 and Chapter 11 filings. Its total filings reached 2,496 — a 61 percent increase over last year’s number.

Statewide, there were 3,342 bankruptcy filings in October — a 58 percent increase from the same month last year.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 18:56:16

“GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE! EVERYTHING MUST BE SOLD!”

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-11-17 14:33:25

Commercial Real Estate Check: 99% Loss

Uh, you think this might be a problem?

Pontiac — Nearly 35 years after taxpayers spent $55.7 million building the Pontiac Silverdome and a year after a $20 million sale fell through, city officials have sold the arena once called the most desirable property in Oakland County.

The price: $583,000.

Niiiice.

99% depreciation over 35 years, plus of course all the money poured into property taxes and maintenance.

“The citizens of Pontiac deserve better,” City Councilman Everett Seay said. “This is pennies on the dollar (of what it cost). It goes to show how bad times are … Worse, we don’t even know who bought it.”

Sounds like a Realtor. Oh wait - that’s a Pontiac City Councilman. Same difference.

Hint to the peanut gallery in Pontiac MI:

What something is worth is entirely dependent on what someone will pay you for it - nothing more or less. Ever.

This sale is emblematic of the general state of Commercial Real Estate. Bluntly, too many people built too much crap on wishes and dreams - dreams they financed with other people’s money, either the taxpayer’s (in this case) or with some poor jackass who believed the prospectus on some CMBS deal that screamed “PRIME Commercial Space!”

Well, perhaps. But there are only so many business interests that can inhabit a given area and turn a profit, especially when you send all the good jobs overseas to CHINA and INDIA, rendering unemployed the middle-class call-center employee who used to make $30,000 a year but now makes zero while the Indian or Chinese employee makes $2/day.

Worse, all real estate (that has buildings on it anyway) has a carrying cost, meaning that if you don’t have a revenue-producing use for it the value is actually negative. In the case of the Silverdome basic maintenance on the building and grounds is about $1.5 million a year. If you can’t make enough to cover that nut “ownership” just bleeds you out.

Welcome to the “new normal.”

If this doesn’t send a shiver up your spine on the “quality” of regional banks that are stuffed to the gills with commercial real estate loans made in the last few years, you’re not paying attention.

Don’t worry, you soon will be, as nearly all of these deals are interest-only and have to roll over between now and 2013.

They can’t and won’t.

(From K. Denninger)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 14:51:28

Decency is not part of the Megabank, Inc business plan.

The Financial Times
Protesters lash out at Goldman
By Kevin Sieff in Washington

Published: November 16 2009 22:16 | Last updated: November 16 2009 22:16

A crowd of protesters converged on the Washington DC office of Goldman Sachs on Monday, carrying “wanted” signs bearing the face of Lloyd Blankfein, the bank’s chief executive.

About 100 demonstrators, organised by the Service Employees International Union, took turns berating the investment bank, which they called “too big to exist”.

Goldman has become the touchstone for a broader anger at banks and bonuses paid to executives, partly because it is preparing to pay large bonuses again after weathering the financial crisis better than competitors and partly because it is seen as being too close to the government.

“I’ve watched my congregants lose their homes and their jobs,” said Charlotte Dots, a reverend from Bloomington, Illinois. “All while Goldman Sachs plays our economy like a casino.”

The group hoisted a giant red squid over their heads, a reference to an article in Rolling Stone magazine, which called Goldman a “great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity”. On Constitution Avenue, where the company keeps a small office, several bemused tenants looked down.

Mr Blankfein became a lightning rod for criticism after he said last week that’s he’s “doing God’s work”. That comment to the Sunday Times – and analysts’ estimates that the company will pay more than $23bn in bonuses – has incited small demonstrations outside Goldman’s offices across the country. One group made their way to Mr Blankfein’s Manhattan home last week, giant squid in hand.

“Have you no decency?” Andy Stern, president of the SEIU, yelled through a megaphone on Monday. “Goldman and Blankfein seem to worship no God but the almighty dollar.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 15:55:02

An American Tragedy:

A country populated by decent, ethical, hard-working people finds itself in the grip of an amoral, rapacious, parasitic banking system whose only concern is milking more and more wealth out of Main Street.

 
Comment by Shizo
2009-11-17 16:49:32

Mr Blankfein became a lightning rod for criticism after he said last week that’s he’s “doing God’s work”.

Then Blankfein will have no qualms when it is time to hang his carcass from a cross… complete w/ a thorned crown, no?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 18:57:12

The Common Man seems increasingly determined to have his say in the future of TBTF. Will the pols listen and responsibly respond, or just pretend to listen and play rope-a-dope while letting Megabank, Inc survive in its present kleptocratic form?

* The Wall Street Journal
* NOVEMBER 16, 2009, 3:24 P.M. ET

Protesters Converge On Goldman’s Washington Office
Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)–More than a 150 people gathered outside Goldman Sachs’ offices here on Monday to demand that the investment bank donate billions set aside for employee bonuses to families at risk of foreclosure.

The event was organized by the Service Employees International Union and the community group National People’s Action, which staged a similar protest outside the Chicago offices of Goldman and Wells Fargo & Co. (WFC) last month.

The protests channel popular sentiment that big banks pushed the financial system into crisis but then turned around to reap profits through the $700 billion bailout. Goldman became a magnet for such anger after reports that the bank, which received $10 billion of Troubled Asset Relief Program funds, is expected to pay a record $23 billion in bonuses this year. The bank has already repaid its TARP funds to the Treasury.

“I couldn’t sit by and see them take my money and pay a bonus,” Chester Selman, who flew from Wichita, Kan., to attend the protest, said.

Protesters chanted, “Too big to fail, too big to exist,” as they held posters proclaiming “Wanted: Lloyd Blankfein” that were emblazoned with a photo of the Goldman CEO. The poster said Goldman had sold $40 billion in securities backed by subprime loans in 2006-2007 and then bet the securities would decline.

A spokeswoman for Goldman Sachs declined to comment.

Janet Shenk, who said she works for a local private foundation, said she came to the event out of disappointment that “these people are spending money against every needed reform after what they’ve done to the economy.” She said the government should move urgently to break up the big banks: “They can’t be allowed to do that to us again.”

Protesters also criticized Goldman for securing 200 H1N1 flu shots before the vaccine has been made widely available to the public. “My grandchildren didn’t get the flu shot but the fat cats from Goldman Sachs did,” a woman shouted through a megaphone.

And Blankfein was ridiculed for saying in a recent interview that bankers were doing “God’s work.”

“Lloyd Blankfein and Goldman Sachs are not doing God’s work,” Rev. Tony Pierce, Board President of the Central Illinois Organizing Project, told the crowd.

Leslie Parish, who lives locally, said she attended the protest out of frustration that Goldman wasn’t at the forefront pushing for the Obama administration’s plan to tighten oversight of the financial industry. “They’re so large, they could do a lot for financial reform,” she said.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 14:57:31

Why is the Fed obstructing efforts to bust up up too-big-to-fail trusts? Is it a simple matter of regulatory capture by Megabank, Inc?

U.S. reform seen as boon to regional banks
Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:55pm EST

By Karey Wutkowski

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Regional banks could become more dominant in the United States as policymakers rethink risk in the financial system and draft stiffer regulations, an executive at the largest U.S. savings and loan said on Tuesday.

Denis Salamone, chief operating officer of Hudson City Bancorp, said the momentum in Washington to overhaul financial regulation has changed how he believes the banking industry will be structured in the future.

“Probably five years ago I would have said that we’ll end up with two groups of banks: the really large and the real small community banks,” Salamone said at the Reuters Global Finance Summit in New York. “Now this whole issue of systemic risk and too-big-to-fail may change that model, so you may see more mid-sized banks going forward.”

Lawmakers and policymakers are in the midst of drafting new rules to prevent firms from getting so large and risky that they are considered “too big to fail.”

During the recent financial crisis, taxpayers were forced to extend billions of dollars to rescue American International Group and Citigroup, while Lehman Brothers was allowed to collapse, contributing to a near-freeze of global credit markets.

The Obama administration has called for stricter capital requirements and higher leverage constraints on the largest financial firms. There have also been proposals to break up big banks, even before they become unstable.

Salamone said this tougher policing of the biggest banks could reshape the industry and encourage more regional banks.

“That story is being written now. I’m not sure how it will end,” he said.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 15:00:08

Why not just eliminate the TBTF risk to American tax payers by busting up the TBTF trusts? What do we collectively gain by having the TBTF Sword of Damocles perpetually dangling above the world economy?

The Financial Times
White House hits out at Fed plan
By Tom Braithwaite in Washington

Published: November 14 2009 02:00 | Last updated: November 14 2009 02:00

Plans to strip the Federal Reserve of its bank supervision powers were rebuffed yesterday in two separate speeches by senior Obama administration officials.

Chris Dodd, the Senate banking committee chairman, this week published draft legislation to merge four US banking regulators into one, with the Fed the most high-profile loser.

However, Austan Goolsbee, a White House economist, and Neal Wolin, deputy Treasury secretary, both pushed back against the plan yesterday as the administration abandoned its laisser faire approach to the versions of regulatory reform circulating in Congress.

“No regulator had a perfect record leading up to the crisis,” said Mr Wolin at the American Bar Association. “But in our view, the Federal Reserve is the agency best equipped for the task of supervising the largest, most complex firms.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 15:02:02

“[China and the U.S.] are threatened by the disconnect between production and consumption. In China, the threat is civil unrest. In the U.S., it’s a prolonged jobs and earnings recession that… could create political backlash.”

~Robert Reich

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 15:12:54

Hope&Change…Save or Create… Go big gubmint!

Northern Virginia adds more than 8,000 government jobs
Washington Business Journal

Northern Virginia has lost more than 13,000 jobs in the last year, but government employment is up, according to the Virginia Employment Commission.

The region’s total work force at the end of September was 1,305,600, down 1 percent from September 2008.

Some of the biggest losses were in construction, trade and transportation and information technology.

Northern Virginia’s information technology work force shrank by 8.6 percent, or 4,100 jobs in the past year.

The region’s construction industry shed 4,100 jobs, shrinking by 5.1 percent.

Total government employment in Northern Virginia in September was up 3.8 percent, with 8,300 new government jobs in the last year, much of it the result of stimulus spending, the Commission says.

And Northern Virginia’s leisure and hospitality industry is showing signs of recovery, with 5,400 new jobs, or growth of 4.6 percent from a year ago.

Statewide, Virginia’s nonagricultural employment shrank by 114,900 jobs, or 3.9 percent. Nationwide, job contraction during the same period averaged 4.2 percent.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-17 15:18:14

Fines for too-tall grass could rise to $1,000 a day in Jupiter.

JUPITER — An overgrown lawn could cost a homeowner $1,000 a day.

A plan to quadruple the penalty from the current maximum of $250 per day for a first violation is scheduled for consideration at Tuesday night’s town council meeting.

A repeat violation by the same person would be boosted to $5,000 a day maximum from $500 per day.

If the code enforcement board finds that the violation is irreversible — the unapproved removal of an historic tree, for example — the violator would face a maximum fine of $15,000. The current maximum penalty is $5,000.

“That’s outrageous,” said Stefan Harzen, a member of the property owners association for the Woodland Estates neighborhood. Increasing the fines will not result in prettier neighborhoods, he said. “This is an easy way for the town to get more money,” Harzen said.

Higher penalties are needed to deter flagrant violators, said Councilman Robert Friedman. A landlord who allows too many people to live in a house simply sees the current fine as a cost of doing business, he said.

“Code enforcement needs a larger hammer,” Friedman said.

Last year Jupiter’s seven-person Code Enforcement Division collected about $39,000 in fines, according to town records.

The increase is being considered because once a town exceeds 50,000 people, state law says it can adopt higher penalties, according to a Nov. 9 memo from Building Department Director Robert Lecky to Town Manager Andy Lukasik. The town’s population as of April 1 was 50,275, according to the University of Florida Bureau of Economic and Business Research.

The town code regulates items such as when garbage cans can be placed outside, noise volume, parking of boats, heights of fences, the number of tenants and landscaping. Lawns cannot be higher than eight inches in developed residential areas.

“The higher maximum gives us more discretion in levying the penalty,” said Code Enforcement Director Frank Melillo.

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-11-17 15:47:39

The Joys of a home-debtor-ship.

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-11-17 19:18:22

I live in Jupiter, I think I`ll put the Hona mower up for the winter and see if I can get over 8 inches.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 16:00:35

Let’s get real: The only way to fix too-big-to-fail is to bust the TBTF trusts.

MarketWatch First Take

Nov. 17, 2009, 4:50 p.m. EST

Too big to fail vs. too little too late
Commentary: How can $200 billion backstop an $8 trillion industry?

Something doesn’t add up with too-big-to-fail plan

By MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Congress is trying hard to figure out a way to avoid the next bailout of a gigantic bank, but it’s running into a problem with the arithmetic. The solution proposed by the Obama administration and its allies in Congress just doesn’t add up.

On one side we have a small group of banks that are so large that if they failed, they’d take down the global economy, as the failure of Lehman Bros. nearly did a year ago. On the other side, we have a laughably inadequate response.

The top five banks in the United States have assets of more than $8 trillion, but Rep. Barney Frank has endorsed creation of a $200 billion insurance fund that would pay for the orderly unwinding of one or more of these banks. See full story on the congressional debate over “too big to fail.”

The fund, like the fund of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., would be paid for by a tax on the industry. The idea is to make sure that the banks pay for their own cleanup ahead of time, instead of sticking the bill with the taxpayers. If the banks have to pay in advance, maybe they’ll be just a little more careful.

But $200 billion is woefully inadequate to the task. It’s smaller than the $700 billion bailout fund that was rushed through Congress last year. And it’s barely bigger than the $180 billion the government paid to prevent the failure of insurance giant American International Group.

Does anyone think $200 billion would cover the collapse of Bank of America, with $2.3 trillion in assets? Or Citigroup’s $2.04 trillion? Or even Morgan Stanley’s $770 billion? As we saw in 2008, a financial crisis doesn’t single out just one institution; if one goes, more will follow.

So why not make the insurance fund bigger? Because the industry doesn’t want to pay that much money into a government rainy-day fund. Frank admitted that $200 billion was the most that “could be reasonably raised.”

If the government assessed $1 trillion from the industry, that would be $1 trillion that couldn’t be used for lending, or for bonuses. And $1 trillion might be inadequate as well.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 16:54:17

Cry me a river…

The Wall Street Journal

* November 17, 2009, 6:10 PM ET

Nicolas Cage’s Money Woes: The Countersuit From His Ex-Manager

By Sara Lin

Nicolas Cage, who is suing his ex-manager, has been hit with a countersuit

Nicolas Cage, one of Hollywood’s highest-paid leading men, is suing his ex-manager, Samuel J. Levin, for $20 million–and now Levin has responded with a countersuit. Cage claims bad advice from Levin put the actor on a path to financial ruin. The actor owes more than $6 million in unpaid taxes.

Cage says Levin mismanaged his money and failed to pay his taxes as they were due. In addition, Cage says in his suit Levin placed him in “numerous highly speculative and risky real-estate investments.”

In the countersuit reviewed by Speakeasy late Tuesday, Levin alleges that the Oscar-winning actor was broke by the time he was hired in 2001. Cage “had already squandered tens of millions of dollars…owed millions of dollars in accrued but unpaid income taxes, with no funds available to pay the tax debt,” the lawsuit says.

Levin warned Cage that he needed to earn $30 million a year to maintain his high-spending lifestyle and avoid pressure to take on film roles that might be harmful to his career, according to the suit. Levin goes on to allege that while Cage originally signed on to the idea to rein in his spending – agreeing to sell off more than a dozen cars and a $1.6 million comic book collection – a string of hit films with high payouts prompted Cage to set off on “a spending binge of epic proportions.”

In 2007 alone, Levin claims in the suit, Cage purchased three additional residences costing more than $33 million, 22 automobiles (including 9 Rolls Royces), several pieces of expensive jewelry and 47 pieces of artwork and exotic items.

By July 2008, the suit alleges, Cage owned 15 palatial homes around the world, four yachts, an island in the Bahamas and a Gulfstream jet. The actor’s “uncontrolled spending” on costly vacations and “Gatsby-style parties at his residences” prompted him to borrow large sums of cash against his residences. After the housing market plummeted in 2008, Cage was left underwater on several of them. Last week, he lost two multi-million homes in New Orleans, La. to foreclosure, according to the New Orleans Civil Sheriff.

Levin also claims in the suit, dated Nov. 12, that Cage owes him $128,872.98 in unpaid service fees.

Levin’s spokespeople said he couldn’t be reached for comment.

A call to Cage’s lawyer wasn’t immediately returned.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 19:00:45

So that trademark befuddled look is real after all.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 19:41:44

The “Leaving Las Vegas” look is real…

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 20:11:28

:lol:

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 16:57:26

* The Wall Street Journal
* OPINION
* NOVEMBER 16, 2009, 7:00 P.M. ET

The Permanent TARP

Current financial reform proposals would establish ‘too big to fail’ as national policy.

By PETER J. WALLISON

It’s hard to imagine a worse piece of financial regulatory legislation than the bill Barney Frank and the administration put before the House Financial Services Committee last month. But Sen. Chris Dodd’s effort, introduced last week, clears this hurdle.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 16:59:16

* The Wall Street Journal
* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* NOVEMBER 17, 2009

A Dollar Warning From Asia
Obama gets an earful about America’s super-easy money.

Federal Reserve officials sometimes sound as if their only worry is the domestic U.S. economy, but their gusher of dollars is starting to have serious consequences for the rest of the world. Nowhere is this more evident than in Asia, where President Obama is getting an earful from leaders this week about what all those greenbacks are doing to their economies.

Many of these nations peg their currencies, formally or informally, to the greenback. So they are getting a huge dollar liquidity kick from the carry trade, in which people borrow U.S. dollars at exceptionally low U.S. interest rates and invest them for higher returns elsewhere.

As a result, Asia’s stock markets are outstripping U.S. and European bourses by a country mile. Shanghai alone is up nearly 80% this year-to-date. Hong Kong property is climbing through the roof, with one recent apartment sale mooted at $57 million. Foreign investors are even getting enthusiastic again about one of the most corrupt emerging markets around—Indonesia—and dubbing it the “new China.”

At a conference in Singapore, Hong Kong chief executive Donald Tsang—a former finance minister—said Friday he’s “scared” about loose U.S. monetary policy. “Where is the money going—it’s where the problem’s going to be: Asia,” Mr. Tsang said. “You can see asset prices going up, not only in Korea, in Taiwan, in Singapore and in Hong Kong, going up to levels that are incompatible or inconsistent with the economic fundamentals.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 17:02:41

Is the second sentence here really a sentence?

“Price equilibrium will stabilize markets and bring growth back. The government has no business bailing out bad investments of these banks. If you buttoned down the counterparty risk, then let the bad assets wash out and let entrepreneurs go back into the market.”

Brad Polifron

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 20:05:20

Only if it fixes the flux capacitor.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 18:36:37

The zombie GSEs appear to be contributing to an epic housing glut. Eventually, affordable housing will result, but only by accident rather than by design.

* The Wall Street Journal
* REAL ESTATE
* NOVEMBER 18, 2009

Fannie, Freddie Woes Hurt Apartments

By NICK TIMIRAOS

The deteriorating commercial real-estate market is hitting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the housing-finance giants that were taken over by the U.S. last year after billions of dollars in losses on residential real estate.

The firms, which together have taken more than $110 billion in capital infusions from the Treasury, stepped up their lending for apartment buildings as the commercial real-estate market peaked, and they are now facing rapidly rising loan losses.

Fannie, which has been more active than Freddie, faces the biggest problems. Its serious delinquency rate, or loans that were 60 days or more past due, stood at 0.62% at the end of September, up from 0.16% a year ago. One troubling sign: one-quarter of the $180 billion of apartment-building loans on Fannie’s books were originated near the top of the market in 2007 and those loans account for nearly half of all its commercial-loan delinquencies.

Fannie increased to $1.2 billion its reserves for losses on multifamily loans at the end of September, up from $104 million at the end of 2008. In a statement, Fannie Mae said market fundamentals “will remain under pressure in the near term” and that the company is taking steps “to mitigate risks associated with weak rental demand.”

The losses from Fannie’s and Freddie’s $300 billion in apartment-building loans will be a fraction of their losses on single-family homes, where the two firms back $5 trillion of loans. But the bigger impact could be on the market for apartment buildings. The firms were responsible for 84% of all multifamily lending last year, up from 34% of the market in 2006, according to the Federal Housing Finance Agency.

Fannie and Freddie have taken lumps from some financings, including a $9 billion loan in 2007 for the buyout of Archstone Smith.

A report published earlier this year by Harvard University’s Joint Center for Housing Studies warned that without Fannie’s and Freddie’s continued purchases, “apartment transactions could come to a near standstill” and that could spur a further unraveling where even “cash-flow-positive projects may not be able to get refinanced and will be pushed towards default.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 18:41:08

* The Wall Street Journal
* REAL ESTATE
* NOVEMBER 17, 2009

Ten Questions on the Volatile Housing Market
Lower Prices Have Spurred Home Sales, but Looming Foreclosures and High Unemployment Are Clouding the Outlook

By JAMES R. HAGERTY

The U.S. housing market has been in a slump for the past four years. When will it ever end?

In recent years, real estate has proven as jittery and unreliable as any other market. The average U.S. home price nearly doubled between January 2000 and April 2006, according to the First American LoanPerformance index. Since then, the average has fallen about 30%. The drop has been 53% in the Las Vegas metropolitan area and 39% in Miami, where about a quarter of all households with mortgages are behind on their payments or in foreclosure. The value of your home might be determined more by whether the neighbors keep their jobs than whether the house has ample light and closet space.

Here is a guide to navigating a fractured and volatile market:

1. Is the housing market getting better?

2. When will housing bottom out?

3. What signals should I watch to determine whether my local market is improving?

4. How can I figure out the value of my home?

5. Does it matter whether I’m “under water”?

6. If I lose my home to foreclosure, how long will it take to repair my credit record?

7. If I’m renting, is now a good time to buy a house?

8. Can I get a tax credit if I buy a home now?

9. Can I get a mortgage on attractive terms?

10. Should I invest in foreclosed homes?

Probably not. A lot of investors chase these properties, and only the most experienced know how to deal with all of the pitfalls. Homes auctioned at trustee or sheriff sales are sold on an as-is basis, and there is no provision for an inspection before you take ownership. If after buying you find out that termites have been treating the floor joists as an all-you-can-eat buffet, that is your problem. You must pay for the full price within a day or two, so you need a lot of cash or access to special short-term loans for investors that come with interest rates of around 18%. This is a pursuit best left to people with a lot of time, nerve, cash and knowledge of the local market.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 18:45:58

“The average U.S. home price nearly doubled between January 2000 and April 2006, according to the First American LoanPerformance index. Since then, the average has fallen about 30%.”

It sounds like the average U.S. home price has at least
(.20/(1-0.30))*100 = 28 percent further declines to get back to pre-bubble equilibrium levels.

Comment by packman
2009-11-17 20:51:42

Thing is - the bubble didn’t start in 2000 - it started in 1997. January 2000 was already about 23% higher than January 1997.

Comment by packman
2009-11-17 20:57:42

P.S. Dang it it drives me nuts when the WSJ has great graphics/data in their printed edition, but not online. This article has a few telling charts in the paper. One biggie is the inventory of homes listed for sale. Normally it was around 2M - peaked at about 4.7M in 2008, now about 3.5M or so.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 21:15:05

I was thinking it started in 1992, though its early beginnings (flat rather than falling prices) were masked by the tail winds of the early-1990s recession.

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Comment by packman
2009-11-18 04:58:23

You’re probably right actually. Certainly the cause factors - the loose lending moves - started spinning up in earnest about then. Mostly in 1993 though, from what I’ve seen.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-11-17 19:26:23

Why should just some jerk buying a house be a determinant of market value ,especially during manias . In the old days if someone paid more than the market looked like it would bear ,we make them put more money down in the loan business . If a borrower wants to overpay fine, but you as a borrower take the risk . When did the appraisers just start taking any sale ,fraudulent or not ,and say that the sale establish market value ?

I remember in the old days if a house went up to much in to short of a time fraud was immediately suspected ,or stupidity on the part of the borrower ,or a realtor got a hold of a live one .

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 19:40:43

The problem in the current episode is that prices doubled almost everywhere in the US, which made houses going up too much in too short a time seem quite normal.

Insanity in individuals is something rare - but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.

–Friedrich Nietzsche–

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-17 20:07:54

The started doing it as soon as they realized the loan could be sold to some other sucker, all the while collecting fees from both ends.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-17 18:49:25

WSJ
* LETTERS
* NOVEMBER 17, 2009

Learn From Housing Market Fiasco

Edward Pinto’s excellent op-ed piece “Acorn and the Housing Bubble” (Nov. 12) provides a good outline of the government’s role in the housing market fiasco. By twisting the market mechanisms in order to advance their social engineering agenda, the government—under the influence of the affordable housing lobby—created a situation that eventually blew up in its face. Regulators were pressured to enforce housing affordability goals at the expense of loan quality. The result was not only the aimed-for increase in loans to the “underserved” (a very large percentage of whom turned out to be uncreditworthy), but a surge in borrowers who bought “too much house,” homeowners who sucked out the “dead equity” they had accumulated through cash-out refinancings, and amateurish real estate investors who were able to purchase housing on which they took almost no downside risk.

An important lesson to be learned from this fiasco is that the markets need to be kept safe from social engineering intrusions. We cannot rely on the countervailing powers of the affordable housing lobbly and the mortgage finance industry to safeguard the efficient functioning of the market. A restructured regulatory framework should vest the power to ensure market efficiency in the entities that would have to clean up the aftermath of any future market meltdown.

Stefan Jerzy

Washington

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-11-17 19:19:53

The pilot came on and said, ladies and gentlmen we have lost two of our three engines. A worried passenger tuned to the man next to him and asked, how far can this plane fly on one engine? The man next to him replied, all the way to the scene of the crash. We should be there about twenty minutes before the fire department.

 
Comment by drumminj
2009-11-18 00:12:06

I know it’s late (11pm PST), but am curious to know if anyone here has tried negotiating with their bank on the interest rate they’re paid, either for a MM account or for a CD?

I’m tempted to try it with Zion’s - I would think that an account roughly at the FDIC limit would be enough coin to give one some clout when it came to negotiations, but am curious to hear if anyone has given this a shot? Or does everyone just check bankrate.com for the highest rates, then look for what of those appear to be stable, and go from there?

 
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