November 20, 2009

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Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 05:32:04

A whole lot of people and ‘experts’ are hanging their hopes on 2010. I believe they are in for a bitter disappointment.

Problem mortgages hit new high at 14 percent
Data mean foreclosures may not peak until next year.
Washington Post ~ November 20, 2009

More than 14 percent of borrowers were in trouble on their mortgage during the third quarter, a new record, according to an industry survey released Thursday, which also suggests that the foreclosure rate is likely not to peak until next year as unemployment rates continue to rise.

Unemployment remains a big driver of the problem, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association, which conducts the survey. Those with delinquent loans now include a growing portion of people traditionally considered creditworthy and people whose mortgages are insured by the Federal Housing Administration.

“The outlook is that delinquency rates and foreclosure rates will continue to worsen before they improve,” said Jay Brinkmann, the group’s chief economist.

About 9.6 percent of borrowers were delinquent on their mortgage during the third quarter, according to the survey, and another 4.5 percent more were somewhere in the foreclosure process. Overall, about 14 percent of mortgage loans or 7.4 million households were delinquent or in the foreclosure process during the quarter, according to the group.

That is the highest level recorded by the survey, which has been conducted since 1972, and is up from about 10 percent of borrowers who were in trouble during the same period last year.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-11-20 06:23:33

“A whole lot of people and ‘experts’ are hanging their hopes on 2010.”

Whoa, whoa! Slow your your roll, buddy!

A whole lot of ‘experts’ were hanging their hopes on 2H 2009. Let’s not let them off the hook for that one yet! All they have to show for it so far is a stimuli bloated 3Q GDP estimate.

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-11-20 06:36:13

Hey, and we have six weeks of 2009 left, what’s all this talk of 2010?
Christmas will save us!

Comment by exeter
2009-11-20 06:50:19

What the hell is wrong with you doomers…… The Marketwatch minions, Larry (fun)Yun, Cocaine Larry “I’m not gay, honestly” Kudlow and our very own Eddietard says bright sunny days are right around the corner.

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Comment by Bad Chile
2009-11-20 10:59:48

Not a fan of Funyons. I prefer Cheetos.

 
Comment by lavi d
2009-11-20 12:41:08

Not a fan of Funyons. I prefer Cheetos.

Make mine Cheezits

 
Comment by Eddie
2009-11-20 20:02:38

Exy stays classy as usual. What else would one expect from a union goon?

 
 
Comment by lavi d
2009-11-20 12:39:21

Christmas will save us!

I thought that was Superbowl’s job.

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Comment by az_lender
2009-11-20 07:26:03

Yesterday I went out with a used-house seller and had a look at three condoze in Morro Bay. This is the first time I’ve gone out to consider making offers on RE, in more than five years. (Drum roll.) Did not make any offers. (Sorry, ‘experts’) It could happen, though.

Today, a serious bit of RE biz: will look at a house-share situation that would enable me to drop my expensive Jan-Feb house rental and save about 60%. I need the expensive rental in Nov and March because houseguests come. Not in JanFeb.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 07:26:30

“A whole lot of people and ‘experts’ are hanging their hopes on 2010. I believe they are in for a bitter disappointment.”

Get with the program, dude. The recovery is one year out from right now, no matter what year it happens to be.

Comment by cobaltblue
2009-11-20 07:43:09

“Recovery, recovery, I love you, recovery, you’re always a year away!”

With credit to Orphan Annie.
No apologies to Daddy Warbucks.

Comment by Skip
2009-11-20 08:28:27

The 30’s had some great movies released from Hollywood. Maybe we will see a repeat?

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Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-11-20 09:00:59

You mean re-releases of the movies made in 30s?

 
Comment by In Montana
2009-11-20 10:18:39

“Annie” was released in the 1980s wasn’t it?

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-11-20 14:19:34

They Jay-Z song “It’s a Hard Knock Life” was actually from the 90s I think. It featured an Annie sample.

 
 
 
 
Comment by james
2009-11-20 10:34:32

How many years have we been hearing its turning around next spring?

How long ago was the market peak?

It’s been a long while now. Three years or so?

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 15:23:01

2 years.

Stock market peaked Oct 12, 2007. 14066

Bottomed out (so far) March 6, 2009. 6626

 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2009-11-20 05:39:56

“Data mean foreclosures may not peak until next year.”

Next year, eh. How about the year 2011; that’s when the mortgage reset chart peaks out.

Google-up “mortgage reset chart” and see for yourself. Therin lies a picture that’s worth a thousand words.

Comment by Al
2009-11-20 06:08:21

It’s still possible that the peak of foreclosures will happen next year as more and more people realize that it’s not worth waiting and stop paying earlier. Flip side, the peak could be much later if the banks continue ignoring people who don’t pay their mortgages. My assesment personal assesment: ??????

 
Comment by packman
2009-11-20 06:58:15

Depends on whether we’re talking the foreclosure rate or the foreclosure inventory. The rate of foreclosures will peak much, much sooner than the inventory, and probably is peaking right about now actually. However even after the peak the rate will remain very high, and thus the inventory will continue to build. There will probably be about a 3 year lag before the inventory starts back down again.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 07:28:02

A closely watched pot never boils over.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-11-20 07:28:15

Yeah, but alot of Neg Am stuff is likely to recast before the reset date on the chart once the mortgages hit the maximum permitted negative ammortization. And while most of the U.S. hasn’t seen many Neg-Am mortgages, they were fairly common in the bubbly areas of CA. Next year is likely to get very ugly, which is why I tend to regard the current stock market as a selling, not a buying opportunity.

Comment by DinOR
2009-11-20 08:18:50

Jim A,

Good points. If only we could have built a ‘firewall’ around the 20 or so Zip Codes that continue… to give us the most heartburn?

Should give us ample cause to go in and totally re-think the securitization pipeline. ( Assuming one even gives it credibility for having existed in the ‘first’ place? )

Everyday we need to ask we we’ve all been made to suffer for the recklessness of but a handful of areas? If underwriters were barred from packaging various grades of mortgages into the same pool of investments, and each were treated as a seperate asset class altogether, would they have to trade on their own merit in the unbundled world?

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2009-11-20 07:37:40

And note that the mortgage reset chart keeps changing, because new mortgages actually ARE written. If you compare the mid-2007 chart to which combotechnie alludes, against the old Jan 2005 Ivy Zellman chart, you see that the peak of resets moved from Dec 07 & Aug 10 (Zellman) to Aug 11 (07 chart). I grant you, a new 2009 chart might NOT move the peak again, but it would certainly raise the apparent rate of resets in 2012 and 2013, since initial reset points are often 5 years away.

Comment by combotechie
2009-11-20 07:58:46

But are these new mortgages being written adjustable? Are ARMs still being written?

If not then the peak of the reset chart shouldn’t change from here.

(I’m off to work now. Later.)

Comment by az_lender
2009-11-20 08:17:32

I think ARMs and I/Os and neg-ams are all still being written. Certainly not in the volume of recent years.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-11-20 08:21:52

az_lender,

I’ve tried to raise that point over the years as poster after poster kept dredging up the old stand-by 2006 Credit Suisse Chart?

Like it was written in stone.

 
 
Comment by realestateskeptic
2009-11-20 08:54:01

Don’t forget that the Gov’t has been intervening in the mortgage market, intentionally keeping FIXED rates artificially low so I suspect that many people who are still working have converted their adjustable rates to fixed rates either on their own or upon a reset.

I close about 100 loans a year. If I have done 5 ARMS this year, I’d be shocked. 99.99% of my clients are not of the neg am/interest only crowd so no doubt this anecdotal evidence is skewed.

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Comment by cereal
2009-11-20 09:54:48

The NEW outlook must include the coming (and continuing) wave of FHA blowups. In football they call that “piling on.” Look for yet another surge Q4 010.

Foreclosures begat Forclosures

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Comment by james
2009-11-20 10:39:37

From my understanding they are writing a lot of 10yr I/O, 40yr with ballon payment and other garbage in the modifications.

That and the FHA garbage poluting the system.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 05:40:30

Senate blocks Udall-backed credit card rate freeze.
Denver Business Journal

Legislation supported by U.S. Sen. Mark Udall and others to freeze interest rates on credit cards until new regulations take effect in three months has effectively died in the U.S. Senate.

Udall, D-Colo., was a key sponsor of the measure, aimed at preventing credit card interest-rate and fee increases until an already-passed set of credit card rules that Udall also backed takes effect in February.

But Senate Republicans Wednesday placed a hold on the freeze measure, effectively killing it. Lawmakers also are faced with a looming debate over health-care reform that may push most other matters aside for now.

Udall said the new measure was needed to prevent credit-card issuers from “gaming the system at the expense of American consumers” by racing to boost fees in advance of the new regulations.

“The last thing American families need is higher interest rates and extra fees, especially consumers who are already playing by the rules,” Udall said in a statement. “I have a petition on my website telling credit card companies to stop these unfair practices, and over 18,000 Coloradans have signed it. Clearly, they’ve had enough. I’ve had enough, too.

Comment by WT Economist
2009-11-20 06:59:59

Got an e-mail from Consumer Reports about how outrageous it is that credit card companies get you in debt and then jack up you rates.

I responded that people should have seen it coming and avoided becoming debt slaves, but were hit with a deluge of misleading advertizements to get them on the hook.

There is no such thing as a good credit card company, or a good credit card, or a good debt use for consumption.

Comment by Mr. Drysdale
2009-11-20 07:18:10

“no such thing as a good credit card company, or a good credit card, or a good debt use for consumption.”

Riiiiight . . . etailers and car rental companies looove personal checks.

Nothing wrong with a credit card, if you use it wisely.

Comment by DinOR
2009-11-20 08:28:39

Mr. Drysdale,

Agreed, but I think WT Economist’s point stands, ( they ALL suck! ) Recently my daughter and SIL were looking at some raw acreage in S. OR and asked me what I thought?

They -have- the cash to purchase 20-40 acres and I certainly don’t want to throw cold water on them. We discussed the possibility of talking to a local bank or even financing directly thru the seller ( given it seem like such a common practice down there )

Prudently used, there shouldn’t be any reason for them to totally deplete their cash. Especially in ‘this’ environment.

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Comment by DennisN
2009-11-20 08:36:28

Don’t forget to tell them how OR may play nasty property tax games with them over their new “industrial ranch”.

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-11-20 08:29:34

Right, the trail of debt pushers is long one. And the debt pushers that seem to escape scrutiny are the most nefarious: coworkers, neighbors, and too often - family!

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Comment by Spokaneman
2009-11-20 09:22:30

On line services make credit card management very easy. Every Friday, go on-line, see what you’ve charged and click the make a payment button. You get the convenience and protection of a credit card, perhaps some frequent flyer miles, and annoy the credit companies in the process. Sounds like a win-win to me.

If you don’t have the money to click the pay now button, you are spending too much money. Pretty simple.

I never, ever, use my debit card for online purchases or purchases when traveling. Its too easy for the bank account to get wiped out.

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Comment by Jim A.
2009-11-20 07:33:16

Hey, the borrowers agreed to the terms when they got the card. And the CC companies knew the bankruptcy law when the agreed to lend the money. Just exactly how muc is your FICO worth to the average debtor? Once your credit is trashed, there is little economic reason NOT to declare bankruptcy.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-11-20 07:43:01

“no good debt use”

My clients seem to be catching on. They are paying down their mortgage debt on mobile homes and the underlying lots, at a much faster rate than I require. The downside (I guess) of being a lender with NO defaulting borrowers is that one does have a certain number of rapidly-prepaying borrowers. Must seek new debt slaves! And honestly, I DO think of them that way some times. I don’t much “work,” I live on THEIR SocSec checks.

 
Comment by pmseatac
2009-11-20 08:40:35

I cancelled a citibank card a few weeks ago due to the fact that the rate had been jacked up to 30%, and also the new “opt out” agreement stated that citibank reserved the right to place vaguely defined “fees” and “surcharges” on the account at any time with no warning or explanation, and to refuse charges or even cancel the card at any time with no explanation or warning. During 2009, they had instituted a policy of delaying by 10 days to two weeks between cashing my payment check and posting it on the account, thus ensuring that I was always late and subjected to even more “fees”, “surcharges”, and “penalties” not to mention interest. I quickly stopped using their “product” when this pattern developed. Oddly enough, the replacement VISA card which I obtained from my credit union has a rate of only 8.99%. I’m curious as to why a giant bank needs to charge 30% and a small local credit union charges 8.99% ( although I don’t carry a balance ).
One thing I have to credit citibank for - I checked my credit reports with the three main agencies and citi apparently did not place adverse reports for the manufactured late payments, so it was merely petty larceny as opposed to racketeering.

Comment by Real Estate Refugee
2009-11-20 11:13:20

Giant bank gambled with your money and lost.

Credit Union didn’t.

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Comment by pmseatac
2009-11-20 12:11:14

It’s a mystery to me at this point why anybody would do any business at all with citibank. If you have a card through them you have to check your account several times a day to see if they have tried to sneak a phony surcharge or fee in, hoping you won’t notice or say anything. I found that it was impossible to use under those circumstances. Do they do the same thing to people with checking accounts or savings accounts ? What exactly is the function of this institution again?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 15:30:35

The function? To skim and extort their customers.

I’ve had similar experiences with other banks playing games to extract fees.

 
 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-11-20 21:22:15

Even my credit union is changing my 6.9% fixed credit card to a 6.9% variable with a max rate of 9.99%.

Gee, do they expect Inflation or something?

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Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 05:47:25

ABC News’ Jonathan Karl reports:

What does it take to get a wavering senator to vote for health care reform?

Here’s a case study.

On page 432 of the Reid bill, there is a section increasing federal Medicaid subsidies for “certain states recovering from a major disaster.”

The section spends two pages defining which “states” would qualify, saying, among other things, that it would be states that “during the preceding 7 fiscal years” have been declared a “major disaster area.”

I am told the section applies to exactly one state: Louisiana, the home of moderate Democrat Mary Landrieu, who has been playing hard to get on the health care bill.

In other words, the bill spends two pages describing would could be written with a single world: Louisiana. (This may also help explain why the bill is long.)

Senator Harry Reid, who drafted the bill, cannot pass it without the support of Louisiana’s Mary Landrieu.

How much does her vote cost? According to the Congressional Budget Office: $100 million.

Comment by rms
2009-11-20 07:44:06

Not many green shoots in the lower ninth, even during goo [sic] times. Poor states like poor countries get by selling their natural resources.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-11-20 08:31:41

Don’t forget that the only Republican member of the House to vote for the bill is also from Louisiana.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-11-20 08:39:17

My long-term plan is for the US to accept most Canadian provinces as new states, and kick out Louisiana to form a French-speaking socialist confederacy with Quebec.

Comment by Al
2009-11-20 09:05:36

It’s important to check out the financial situation of anyone you plan on getting involved with. As a Canadian, I don’t see such a marriage happening. We’re no angels, but….

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 05:53:15

NJ Resorts casino gets OK to give keys to lenders.
NJ’s Resorts Atlantic City, 1st US casino outside Nevada, to surrender keys to its lenders.

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) — America’s first casino to open outside Nevada got permission Thursday to hand itself over to its lenders because it can’t pay the mortgage.

Resorts Atlantic City hammered out a deal with its lenders to let them own the casino in return for canceling nearly $381 million in debt. The lenders, including Wells Fargo, have formed a new corporation called RAC Atlantic City Holdings LLC, which was approved by the state Casino Control Commission as the casino’s new owner with a one-year license.

The deal, the first of its kind in Atlantic City’s 31-year history of casino gambling, would close in 10 days.

On Wednesday, Resorts, whose gross operating profit fell nearly 80 percent in the third quarter of this year, revealed it owes nearly $337 million more than it has.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-11-20 06:49:38

The important question is if Wells will run free charter busses from North Jersey and give silver haired laides complimentary rolls of quarters to play the slots!

Fargoed.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 15:33:12

Wow.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 05:56:07

Meredith Whitney Says Bank Stocks Are ‘Grossly’ Overvalued.

(Bloomberg) — Meredith Whitney, the analyst who has no “buy” recommendations on U.S. banks, said valuations on lender stocks are too high and what “scares” her most is the government stepping away from buying mortgage-backed securities.

“The banks are still grossly overvalued,” Whitney said today in an interview on Bloomberg Radio. “People are expecting something great to happen in 2010 and I think they are going to be severely disappointed.”

The Federal Reserve has begun slowing purchases in the $5 trillion market for so-called agency mortgage-backed securities after announcing in September that it would extend the timeline for its $1.25 trillion program to March 31 from year-end. Whitney said that banks are only originating home loans that they can sell to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

“If Fannie and Freddie can’t sell to an end buyer, i.e. the U.S. government steps back, the mortgage market at minimum contracts, rates go higher, and banks are poised with more writedowns,” said Whitney, founder of Meredith Whitney Advisory Group. “This is probably the issue that scares me most across the board.”

Comment by combotechie
2009-11-20 06:30:33

“Whitney said banks are only originating home loans that they can sell to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”

Which makes banks mere loan brokers. The true banks are Freddie and Fannie.

But Fred and Fan exist only because Uncle Sams says so, because Uncle Sam backs them financially. So that means the true bank is Uncle Sam.

So the banks broker the loan to Fred and Fan (and collect a fee while passing on the risk), then Fred and Fan get to collect the interest on the loans while Uncle Sam provides the free insurance in case the loans go bad.

Gotta love it.

Comment by az_lender
2009-11-20 07:47:13

The true banks are Fannie and Freddie and az_lender!

Neighborhood realtor asked me to make up a little info sheet to post on their bulletin board. Happy to do so, as I do need new debt slaves (see my post above).

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 15:36:37

A prime example of socialize the risk and privatize the profits.

(not you az_lender. Just commenting on the above about banks being only brokers and using the gov. as a backstop)

 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-11-20 06:53:57

And The HousingBubbleBlog Brotherhood says houses Are ‘Grossly’ Overvalued. Yet the message falls flat and is violently opposed in some cases…… Just like Ms. Whitneys message.

Comment by bink
2009-11-20 09:43:45

Brotherhood of the traveling rants.

Comment by lavi d
2009-11-20 12:56:25

Brotherhood of the traveling rants.

Nice one.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 07:29:46

“Meredith Whitney Says Bank Stocks Are ‘Grossly’ Overvalued.”

Is that why some advocate accounting rules that enable banks to hide bad news that should properly appear on their balance sheets?

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 15:38:17

Was that a rhetorical question? :wink:

 
 
Comment by polly
2009-11-20 08:54:10

Fannie and Freddie would be able to sell their mortgages to other buyers than the US government if they upped their downpayment requirements a bit - like to 20%. Maybe 30%. Wouldn’t they?

Or are they allowed to do that?

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 15:40:58

polly, you are probably right, but I don’t know either if they can do that.

However… J6P doesn’t have 20% laying around and hasn’t for a long time.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 06:01:22

Hawaii Sees 2009’s Biggest Layoffs Thursday.

HONOLULU — More people in Hawaii lost their jobs on Thursday in one day than any other day this year as part of the state’s layoffs.

It was the largest mass layoff of the year in the public or private sector.

There were 452 government employees laid off to help close the state budget deficit.

Brent Anbe is one of the 452.

“I am really sad because I have been here for over five years and I truly love my job here,” Anbe said.

Anbe is with the State Film Office. His business cards were upside down, a sign he said of his distress.

Only two of the original eight film office employees remain. The office’s functions have been taken over by the Creative Industries Division.

Anbe got permits for most TV and film productions in Hawaii.

“It will be a huge learning curve I think for the new people who have to step in to learn our job. They have no experience,” Anbe said.

Anbe said he will now concentrate on getting “Ajumma,” the award winning film he wrote and directed, into film festivals.

His fellow worker Kevin Inouye was also laid off.

In spite of all this, employees in the film office are still hoping their jobs could be revived by a legislative appropriation next year.

Jeremy Low of the state’s Language Access Office is no longer employed.

Three other employees are also gone. Now, only one worker is left to do the job of five originally in the office.

Comment by 2banana
2009-11-20 06:45:55

What a bunch of high paid and worthless government jobs. Is there one for the State’s Cooking Access Office that we missed?

Comment by exeter
2009-11-20 06:55:13

Worthless? I’m certain they pay more than the wage slavery you champion.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 07:01:48

Exactly! These make work jobs should not have existed in the first place. Notice how they “hope” to legislate more jobs next year. There is no getting through to the clueless.

 
Comment by In Montana
2009-11-20 07:04:54

yeah wtf? I’ll bet we have one here too…hmm.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-11-20 07:24:11

I think he meant “worthless” as in a waste of the taxpayers’ money.

Yes, those govt jobs almost certainly paid more than the average wage. After Wall St. banksters, government employees are the most well-off as a group in this country.

I spoke at length with a relative recently about the job situation where he works (a large water utility controlled by the county govt). He said roughly half of the people in his office are complete slackers, arriving late and leaving early nearly every day and doing virtually nothing in between. Some run businesses from their office phone and PC.

But their jobs can’t be worthless because they pay more than “wage slavery” jobs!

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-11-20 16:08:55

I’d love for someone to go to a typical midsized city, and look into the cesspool of government-funded contractors promoting local business, tourism, etc.

From what I see, it looks like dumping ground for the relatives, spouses, idiot-second-cousins of the local PTB.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-11-20 08:51:23

In Montana,

Oh and I’m sure you do! Oregon boasted about all the wonderful film projects that were coming to town and how producres ‘loved’ our picturesque scenery blah, blah.

The truth is, they were coming ‘here’ to film as it’s as cheap a labor you’ll find without having palm trees in every shot. Shut these things down.

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Comment by Carlos4
2009-11-20 11:53:37

I want to be hired as Official Beach Inspector, or maybe Luau Sheriff or maybe the Hula Registrar. Im packed and ready to go!

 
 
Comment by In Montana
2009-11-20 10:35:56

Yup, MT has a Film Office..
http://tinyurl.com/yf3t7ot

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Comment by aNYCdj
2009-11-20 07:09:35

Sorry 2 banana:

its not worthless jobs…you just cant be blocking streets and shooting a movie or commercial

Highly paid? You’re right there these jobs are not super skilled jobs but of course union contracts forbid lowering wages to the appropriate level, so we have to fire them instead.

Commercial production is expensive so any delays in getting the right permits and having access to these people can mean they might look elsewhere to shoot. So you could argue its penny wise pound foolish to let these people go.

Comment by Skip
2009-11-20 08:38:31

Actually they do block streets and shoot movies.

I think what you meant to say was that you cannot block streets an shoot movies without paying $$$ to Brent Anb and receiving a piece of paper with an official stamp on it.

Can you imagine the chaos if the cities instead of state of Hawaii started issuing permits with official stamps on them? Movies would never get made! It would be like Pearl Harbor all over again.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-11-20 08:53:29

LOL

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-11-20 09:31:26

Replaced by a web form and paypal link?

Someday we’ll all work for the gov’t except the few wealthy that own the few corporations that bought everything, and offshored everything. They are the ones that will own the gov’t.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 15:45:14

“Anbe said he will now concentrate on getting “Ajumma,” the award winning film he wrote and directed, into film festivals.”

If it hasn’t already shown at even a film festival, where did the awards come from? :lol:

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 06:17:08

Latest “Disastrous” Housing Data Shows Homebuilders are Hopeless.
By Rocky Vega

11/19/09 Stockholm, Sweden – October housing starts fell almost 11 percent. Mortgage applications have collapsed to a record 12-year low. Foreclosures are increasing the stock of homes to be sold at a pace of 300,000 per month. Unemployment at 10.2 percent is not supporting home purchases, especially when rents are also decreasing. What’s left?

Well, the government is trying to help… which is usually a bad sign. The Federal Housing Administration right now has an insurance reserve ratio of just 0.53 percent. Robert Toll of home builder Toll Brothers recently referred to the FHA as a “definite train wreck.”

The government is also supporting the housing market with the $8,000 first-time homebuyer tax credit. It’s been expanded to include previous homeowners and extended until March. Unfortunately, it’s an even bigger fiasco than Cash for Clunkers. Most homebuyers using the credit would have needed to purchase a home anyway, so each additional house sold through the program may just be costing the government about $43,000.

There are very few bright spots in housing, which Barron’s describes as getting a “disastrous batch of data”. The article also goes on to say…

“Even with housing affordability the highest in years from low mortgage rates and reduced home prices, there’s little reason to expect a revival in homebuilding as long as the inventory of unsold houses and foreclosures remain high, credit is tight and unemployment is in double digits.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-11-20 07:26:04

Why would the above article be datelined “Stockholm, Sweden?”

Comment by az_lender
2009-11-20 07:51:39

i wondered too

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 08:03:59

Bill, I believe that’s is where the writers article originated. That’s all I could think of.

Comment by Skip
2009-11-20 08:40:01

Rocky Vega sounds like a boxing name, not a journalist name as well.

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Comment by DennisN
2009-11-20 08:43:58

It turns the writer’s “vacation” into a tax-deductable “business trip”.

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-11-20 09:07:44

Even with housing affordability the highest in years from low mortgage rates and reduced home prices,

affordability being the highest in years does not mean housing is affordable without garbage loans.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 06:38:53

No Dope: Ft. Lauderdale Man to Smoke 115,000th Joint
Who says Irv Rosenfeld can’t get stoned? Constantly.

When you think of the world’s most prolific pot smokers, certain names come to mind: Snoop, Cheech and Chong, Willie Nelson.

How about Irvin Rosenfeld?

The 56-year-old Fort Lauderdale stockbroker will put his name among the greats when he sets a world record tomorrow for weed consumption while lighting up his 115,000th joint.

The best part is that it’s all legal.

“Yep, provided by Uncle Sam,” Rosenfeld told NBCMiami.com. “They grow it for me, I find that quite ironic.”

Rosenfeld’s pot has been provided by the government since 1982, when he became a patient in the Federal Drug Administration’s Investigational New Drug Program. Grown on a farm on the campus of the University of Mississippi, the weed is delivered to a local pharmacy where Rosenfeld gets it by the bushel.

Rosenfeld suffers from a rare bone disorder called multiple congenital cartilaginous exostoses, which causes severe pain, alleviated by a healthy dose of ganja.

He’s been getting 300 joints every 25 days for the past 27 years, and said he smokes between 10 and 12 per day.

“The first thing I do every morning is smoke two joints as I watch my business shows,” Rosenfeld said. “Then another on my drive to work.”

Comment by combotechie
2009-11-20 06:49:12

“The first thing I do every morning is smoke two joints as I watch my business shows,” Rosenfield said.

“Then another on my drive to work.”

Your tax dollars at work.

Comment by combotechie
2009-11-20 06:55:31

I wonder what sort of work he does? Air Traffic Controller, maybe?

Comment by laurel, md
2009-11-20 07:41:22

Airline pilot

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Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-11-20 09:34:40

It says he is a stock broker.

A friend of ours swears that weed is the only thing that cures his “feet feel like they are on fire” medical issue. He thought he cured it by loosing weight. All the expensive drugs don’t work as well, cost a fortune, and have crazy side effects he said. But he got busted for posession. He doesn’t care about loosing his sec. clearance, he cares about his inability to cure the feet on fire thing. Pretty odd.

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Comment by The_Overdog
2009-11-20 12:34:23

Feet on Fire is a circulatory system problem. He needs to go get his pulse in his feet checked. Lots of times there ain’t much they can do about it, but sometimes there is.

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-11-20 14:36:00

There is a name for it, but it escapes me. The docs don’t know why. Said his is at the level of a 90 year old. He had gained a bunch of weight. Inversion table is his other tool I guess.

He’s been to various docs about it. Both university and normal.

 
 
 
 
Comment by ibbots
2009-11-20 06:59:16

quit your sniveling Combo, the gov’t pays for all kinds of medicine.

at least he has a job…..so many in that situation would simply remain on disability.

Comment by combotechie
2009-11-20 07:06:56

My sniveling wasn’t about his job. My sniveling was about his driving to work while stoned.

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-11-20 11:27:51

He’s in Florida. How is driving stoned any different than driving senile - like the rest of the blue-hairs that populate Florida?

If I lived in Florida I too would need three joints by 8.00am; just so I could drive as slow as the rest of the boat-driving Yankees that took 70 years out of the system and then moved south.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2009-11-20 07:17:28

Hmm…where is the cancer people?

why isn’t he coughing up blood, or needing oxygen like if he had smoked that many cigarettes?

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-11-20 07:29:06

LOL, he’s a stockbroker. Is it safe to presume he’s not snorting coke as well?

Comment by Skip
2009-11-20 08:42:53

Not on the Fort Lauderdale Stock Exchange.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-11-20 10:06:29

So he sings…
“I smoke two joints in the morning
I smoke two joints at night,
I smoke two joints in the afternoon
and it makes me feel alright
I smoke two joints in time of peace
and two in time of war
smoke two joints before I smoke two joints
and then I smoke two more

yeah thats what i do, hey

mama she always told me son you really have it bad
mama she always told me son you do the best you can
then one day I met a man he came to me and said
I work good and I work fine but first take care of him

I smoke two joints in the morning
I smoke two joints at night
I smoke two joints in the video game
and it mkes me feel alright
I smoke two joints in the time of peace
and two in time of war
I smoke two joints before I smoke two joints
and then I smoke two more

ooh ooh ooh ooh

one peace one time
funny days, funny days
gimme that bassline

fellas fellas”

Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-11-20 14:37:45

I thought it was “Hard work good and hard work fine, but first take care of head”

 
 
Comment by james
2009-11-20 12:18:24

I hate this. Shouldn’t we give him THC in capsule form instead of having the guy mess up his lungs with smoke.

That seems really dumb to me.

As far as using mj as medicine. I’m fine with it. We don’t understand how most drugs work at a detailed chemical level anayway. We note reactions for the most part and conduct experiments. These people say it helps. Fine. Probably does.

My understanding is it changes something about dopamine levels or receptors that eases pain. Met some people with Crone’s disease and they all claimed it gave them relief.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-11-20 23:23:12

“The first thing I do every morning is smoke two joints as I watch my business shows,” Rosenfeld said. “Then another on my drive to work.”

This guy’s bulletproof. If I smoked two joints first thing in the morning, then another on the drive to work, you’d find me in the emergency room, suffering from post traumatic stress disorder.

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-11-20 06:40:13

Private mortgage insurers are killing a lot of short sales by asking the sellers to sign unsecured notes. If you’re going after a short sale, make sure the seller doesn’t have PMI or is willing to sign the note. Otherwise, it’s a waste of time.

Comment by Jim A.
2009-11-20 07:39:51

Are the PMI contracts written to guarantee some sort of price at sale?

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-11-20 09:06:42

In most cases, lenders/banks cannot collect default insurance (PMI) unless there is a foreclosure event. Some insurers are agreeing to pay lenders for short sale events, but the seller has to sign a note promising to pay most of the insurer’s loss.

Big Sis thought she had a short sale in the bag but it blew up on the eve of closing. Her lender signed off on the deal. The buyer was ready to buy. However, the mortgage insurer was unwilling to pay Big Sis’ lender for its loss unless she agreed to pay the insurer back over a period of 10 years.

So, if you’re looking to buy a short sale, make sure the seller doesn’t have PMI or is willing to sign the note.

Comment by DennisN
2009-11-20 10:24:30

Of course most FB’s looking towards a short sale put little down so they probably all have PMI.

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Comment by Jim A.
2009-11-20 10:41:02

Well my understanding is that PMI became dramaticly less common during the bubble with the prevalance of non-agency second mortgages to bring the main mortgage down to 80% LTV. Even with the ginormous CC style interest rates charged on these piggypack loans, the losses of principal will ge huge. Just another case of the bond market mispricing risk, IMHO. And the holders of these loans are often another roadblock to workouts/short sales.

 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-11-20 10:48:01

She put 25K down on a 250K home. It’s under contract for 100K. Her timing was off by a mile.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by 2banana
2009-11-20 06:42:41

With F.H.A. Help, Easy Loans in Expensive Areas

SAN FRANCISCO — In January, Mike Rowland was so broke that he had to raid his retirement savings to move here from Boston.
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A week ago, he and a couple of buddies bought a two-unit apartment building for nearly a million dollars. They had only a little cash to bring to the table but, with the federal government insuring the transaction, a large down payment was not necessary.

“It was kind of crazy we could get this big a loan,” said Mr. Rowland, 27. “If a government official came out here, I would slap him a high-five.”

Yes - we still have insanity. A broke dude from Boston buys a million dollar house in SF with no money down thanks to “Hope and Change.”

www dot nytimes dot com/2009/11/20/business/20limits.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&ref=business

Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 07:07:51

“Yes - we still have insanity”. “A broke dude from Boston buys a million dollar house in SF with no money down thanks to “Hope and Change.”

Another on a long list of reasons that this recession/depression will drag on for years and years. It’s said the only two sure things in life are death and taxes. One more to add to the list, gubmint intervention guaranteed to screw things up.

 
Comment by poormancometh
2009-11-20 07:26:59

This is the same stuff that was wrong with the first run up in prices. But know it is financied by our gov’t.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 06:45:49

Tracking Your Taxes: Americans Spend Millions for Environmental Groups to Sue the Government.
~ FOXNews.com

American taxpayers are being forced to fund thousands of lawsuits filed against the federal government by environmental organizations — with their lawyers clocking thousands of hours and charging fees of up to $650 an hour.

The U.S. government hands out millions of dollars each year to various environmental organizations to help protect fish, wildlife and other aspects of the environment. And every year, those same groups spend millions suing the government over everything from forest policy and carbon emissions to water quality and wolf habitats.

When the CIA failed to replace 30 percent of its fleet with hybrid cars, the Arizona-based Center for Biological Diversity sued because “its members and staff are impacted by the health effects of oil production,” according to the filing. And when the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service failed to review the status of slick-stop pepper grass, the group ran up $200,000 in legal bills.

Who paid the attorneys fees? The American taxpayers did.

In the lucrative world of environmental law, the biggest defendant is the federal government, and taxpayers foot the bill. The nation’s ten largest environmental groups have sued the government more than 3,000 times in a nine-year period, according to legal fund the Western Legacy Alliance, an Idaho-based legal fund that defends ranchers and farmers.

“The federal government is paying environmental groups to sue the federal government,” Karen Budd-Falen, a former government official and an attorney in Cheyenne, Wyo., affiliated with the Western Legacy Alliance. “Taxpayers are paying for litigation, but not over substantive but procedural issues.”

Procedural issues pertain simply to instances in which the federal government missed a deadline or lost the suit on a technicality, as opposed to substantive issues that are argued before a judge and require a ruling on a dispute or question.

In most legal cases, each side pays their own legal bills. That is not the case, however, when nonprofit, public interest groups sue the federal government.

Comment by Skip
2009-11-20 08:44:50

Since 90%+ of Congress are lawyers, this is not very surprising…

 
Comment by Martin Gale
2009-11-20 12:19:14

Slanted, inflammatory, and misleading article. But not the least bit surprising considering the source.

By statute, there are attorneys’ fee-shifting provisions in much environmental legislation whereby attorneys’ fees are awarded to the prevailing party (i.e. the loser has to pay). In the absence of such provisions, there is virtually no incentive for anyone to bring (invariably complicated and expensive) lawsuits to get the government to enforce its own environmental regulations against, for example, MegaPollution, Inc. (which invariably has its own army of $400-$800/hr lawyers, with the cost already baked into the price of products that are sold to folks like you and me).

Of course, a land of zero corporate regulation is the third-world type of land in which the folks who control Fox News would like us all to live. As big business (too-big-to-fail banks, as one example) knows well, those pesky government regulators always end up cutting into your enormous profitability and executive bonuses (except, of course, when those same hated government folk are busy handing your company gigantic subsidies that your $1000/hr lobbyists were able to finagle).

I’ll give FNC credit, though — they’re always clever enough to avoid mentioning that the real beneficiaries of “backlash” pieces like this article are huge, extremely profitable companies — big agribusiness, etc. They always find a way to pretend it’s really about “small business” and mom and pop “ranchers and farmers.”

MG

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 15:54:58

+1

 
Comment by CrackerJim
2009-11-20 19:17:55

I did not see anything in your anti-Fox reply that denied the fact that the taxpayer is footing the bill. It may be that your reply is slanted, inflammatory and misleading.

Comment by CrackerJim
2009-11-20 19:19:21

BTW Martin, are you by any chance a lawyer yourself?.

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Comment by Martin Gale
2009-11-21 08:54:01

Jim,

My comment was somewhat opinionated — that’s true. But the difference is that I am not in the business of reporting purportedly “fair and balanced” news pieces.

This was an entirely one-sided story. For example, did the writer interview someone with an opposing viewpoint, or even seek a comment from some of the organizations that the article attacks? Apparently not. He or she only interviewed an ex-Reagan administration Department of the Interior official (remember the amount of controversy over James Watt?) with an admittedly conservative point of view (google her). And then the story characterizes the award of attorneys’ fees, to a prevailing party, by a judge, in a court, in accordance with law, after undertaking a close review of all the facts, a government “handout,” which is just flat-out nonsense.

Here’s how the system works: there are a number of Federal statutes that Congress has passed over the years that allow private citizens to sue the government in order to enforce certain laws or regulations. There are a number of hurdles that the plaintiff needs to clear first, including giving the EPA the first opportunity to bring suit. Problem is, depending on which party is in office and who is appointed to run the EPA, you may get more or less enforcement. I don’t want to politicize this, but I’ll let you guess which administrations typically enforce the environmental laws/regs and which ones don’t. The legislative rationale behind letting private citizens sue for enforcement is that it is cheaper that way — so you don’t need an enormous EPA out there knocking on people’s doors, for example. Whether it’s actually cheaper, I couldn’t say, but that’s the idea.

In most cases, if a private citizen brings suit to enforce a regulation, let’s say against a company whose plant is polluting or making improper use of land, water, etc., that citizen can’t recover any money damages. All they get is a court order that makes the company stop doing what they’re doing. So in general, there’s no financial reward if a plaintiff wins. On the other hand, the risks are large because these cases are very technical and expensive to bring, and in many cases, the company, etc. will have very good lawyers of their own who can tie the cases up for years, etc. So, in cases where the plaintiff prevails, the defendant (the government) has to pay the lawyers’ fees. If, on the other hand, the suit is determined by the court to be frivolous, the plaintiff has to pay the govt’s fees. [If you've ever been involved in lawsuit and won, you can probably identify with this sentiment -- in most cases, even when you win it doesn't necessarily feel like a victory]

Do the taxpayers foot the bill in the instances where the plaintiff wins? Yes. Keep in mind, though, that the government has the option of settling these cases at any point during the litigation process, or could likely recollect a portion of the outlay by levying fines against the offender, which many statutes permit, or can avoid the whole process by just enforcing its own regulations in the first place.

Does the right party always win? I doubt it. Do some unscrupulous lawyers take advantage of the system? I would bet that some do. Do all environmental regulations make sense? I’d guess not. But the way that the Fox article characterized it — like a bunch of un-American tree hugging hippies running around stealing hard-working taxpayers’ money by government fiat — is just a complete distortion, and not even close to laying out the actual facts.

One more point: the system has worked this way for years, including when the Republicans were in control of both houses of Congress and the White House.

As to what I do, I’d rather not say online, but let’s just say your deductive skills are pretty solid.

MG

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Comment by ahansen
2009-11-21 00:54:00

Thank you, Martin.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 06:50:20

U.K. Housing Market May Not Recover Peak Until 2014.

Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) — U.K. house prices will probably fall next year, and it may take until 2014 to return to the levels at the 2007 peak of the country’s biggest housing boom, according to a Bloomberg survey.

Nine of 14 economists and real estate brokers surveyed said they foresee a decline in 2010 after a surprise rebound this year. They predict an average drop of about 1.6 percent, with estimates ranging from a loss of 10 percent to a rise of the same magnitude.

“The market is still overvalued, whichever measure you use,” said Seema Shah, a housing economist at Capital Economics Ltd., a research group in London, who was the most bearish in the survey. “Prices need to fall a further 20 percent to 25 percent to get back their long-term trend.”

A 7 percent gain in average prices since April was driven by a shortage of properties for sale and won’t be sustained, according to Shah. Most survey respondents said they don’t think the rally can last while Britain’s longest recession on record fuels unemployment and makes banks reluctant to lend.

Comment by packman
2009-11-20 07:03:31

In the U.S. at least - if home prices regain their 2007 levels already by 2014, then we will know for sure that hyperinflation has set in.

Comment by exeter
2009-11-20 07:18:51

Yeah right. We’ll all be wearing adult diapers when prices return to 2007 levels.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 07:35:43

Doesn’t that depend on how the virtual money printing press operation at the Fed is run between now and 2014? Or am I missing an important constraint on their monetary policy discretion?

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Comment by exeter
2009-11-20 07:39:22

And the printing presses operating in overdrive are reflected in the 10 year yield in what way???

 
Comment by packman
2009-11-20 08:45:43

Printing presses = fire in the building.
10-year rates = the fire truck.
Published CPI = gawking onlookers.

As long as they can keep the fire contained in the building, and thus keep the gawking onlookers away, then no need to call the fire department.

As soon as the fire breaks out - the onlookers come (CPI goes up), and the fire department must be called, or else the neighborhood burns down.

 
 
Comment by realestateskeptic
2009-11-20 09:01:21

Ex, prices can easily return to 2007 levels with any sort of inflation, which I suspect is coming. In real terms probably not, but it actual dollars, it is very easy to see how it can happen way before the Depends are necessary.

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Comment by measton
2009-11-20 09:17:56

Ex, prices can easily return to 2007 levels with any sort of inflation, which I suspect is coming

Not unless incomes rise a lot which isn’t going to happen.
Seriously if they print enough money to create massive inflation all that will happen is people will spend more on food and energy. Interest rates will rise making it even harder to buy a home. Inflation is not going to fix things until we see wages rise.

 
Comment by packman
2009-11-20 09:47:32

Lots of homebuyers got an instant $8,000 pay raise this year. That in itself pushed up home prices significantly.

In other words - strict wage inflation is *not* a pre-requisite, or even a requisit, for price inflation. Just as there are many ways to raise taxes without it showing up on your paycheck or 1040, there are also many ways to raise income without it showing up on your W2.

(That being said - there’s no way we’re getting to 2007 home levels anytime soon; regardless of the level of stimulus)

 
Comment by exeter
2009-11-20 10:46:15

“Ex, prices can easily return to 2007 levels with any sort of inflation, which I suspect is coming. In real terms probably not, but it actual dollars, it is very easy to see how it can happen way before the Depends are necessary.”

Snap out of it.

 
 
 
Comment by az_lender
2009-11-20 07:58:54

or we can just agree that the time required for US house prices to regain their 2007 levels in an inflation-adjusted sense is probably multiple generations (possibly “forever”)

Comment by exeter
2009-11-20 08:03:37

Inflation adjusted? Never. Nominally? Adult diaper time.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-11-20 08:40:27

Yeah, prices ain’t going anywhere until the jobs/income thing sorts itself out.

Or is there something magical about being laid off or furloughed or taking a pay cut that is supposed to make people want to buy an overpriced house?

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-11-20 10:45:44

Well never’s a long time, stupidity innoculations don’t generally last that long. Call it 70 years, then we’ll be ready for another real estate bubble.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 11:06:08

“Or is there something magical about being laid off or furloughed or taking a pay cut that is supposed to make people want to buy an overpriced house?

That’s what FHA loan guarantees, super-duper low interest rates and Dough-4-Dumps are for…

 
 
 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-11-20 08:25:43

Nine of 14 economists and real estate brokers surveyed

I wonder what the breakdown was between economists and RE brokers. Maybe 5 economists and 9 RE brokers? ;)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 16:03:17

Although it wasn’t official, the Saving & Loan disaster was well underway by 1988, and finally bottomed around 1993.

By 1998, the next RE boom was well under way.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 07:09:01

“What is needed is a full audit of the Fed, something that has never happened. We need to know who the Fed is giving money to, what types of securities are being purchased and what backs those securities, how much money is being paid for those securities, etc.” ~Rep. Ron Paul

~ Rep. Paul has been pushing for this since 1980. The proposal is finally getting some traction. Tell your representatives in Washington to support it.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 07:32:05

Prediction:

A worsening of the crisis will mysteriously materialize between now and whenever the audit is to be conducted, scaring Congress away from the idea…

Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 07:49:41

“A worsening of the crisis will mysteriously materialize between now and whenever the audit is to be conducted, scaring Congress away from the idea”…

More than likely, as much as I want to see a true audit occur, I sincerely doubt it will happen. More “pressing” issues are bound to come along.

 
Comment by Al
2009-11-20 09:56:43

Or we get a ’stress test’ quality audit.

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2009-11-20 08:03:11

The present status is, the Ron Paul initiative is incorporated as an amendment in a financial-oversight overhaul omnibus. Ironically, since the various libertarian-oriented groups oppose the overall bill, they implicitly oppose the passage of the Paul provision. Of course, they are saying, tell your reps to demand an up-or-down vote on Fed audit as a standalone. Seems unlikely to happen.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 07:10:51

A lot of people are bad-mouthing the United States these days, including a substantial number of Americans. But what should be done to get the Ship of State under way once more? ~ Victor Davis Hanson offers this:

“The United States needs to re-establish itself as financially credible and responsible so that when we lecture ‘about everything from global warming to Iranian nukes’ we do so from a position of strength. That means we need to stop borrowing other nations’ money.

“America also can’t afford to keep importing high-priced oil that we won’t produce at home. And we should stop promising ever-more government entitlements to ever-more voters that we can’t even begin to pay for.

“For as we continue in our self-indulgence, a more defiant world seems to be saying that the old rules of the game have changed. In response, America should keep quieter abroad and try finding a bigger stick.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 07:33:56

Accept responsibility for the pot of stew we find ourselves boiling in, and try to climb our way out? Isn’t it un-American to suggest such a thing?

Comment by james
2009-11-20 14:27:50

Dude,

Love to accept responsibility here.

Offshoring though… what can I do about it?

I hate doing business with countries with out enviromental or labor standards. Fought that for no money and got no support for a long time. Hated the change in bank reserve requirements.

Everybody got swept up in bubble after bubble. Telecom, dotcom, housing, SUVs…

All the rah rah rah about NAFTA and China.

I wrote newspapers, congresscritters and posted on the internet and emailed friends. Probably ended up on some government list somewhere.

What am I supposed to do? Sit on some street corner wearing one of those sandwich board signs with a loud speaker?

Ah. Hell.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 22:18:21

God, grant me the serenity
to accept the things I cannot change;
the courage to change the things I can;
and the wisdom to know the difference.

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Comment by cobaltblue
2009-11-20 07:52:46

Multiple and ongoing prosecutions for fraud and corruption, aimed at Fed, Treasury, and Too Big To Fail financial execs, might convince me somebody was serious about solving problems.

However, current policy is just to try to paper over the problems with taxpayer backed funny money printed by the guilty.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-11-20 08:05:22

Judd Gregg for President, Kent Conrad for VP.

or if you’re a Democrat…

Kent Conrad for President, Judd Gregg for VP.

(they’ve been doing a mutual congratulation fest on their joint opposition to exploding Treasury debt levels)

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-11-20 10:01:00

I’d rather keep Barack Obama as President for a second term and have Popeye and her ilk thrown out of Congress and make Congress (both houses) majority Republican.

Like I said before, I like Barack for his character. If we can have severe gridlock, he’d be one of the best Presidents.

Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 10:22:24

“Like I said before, I like Barack for his character. If we can have severe gridlock, he’d be one of the best Presidents”.

Gridlock is a wonderful thing, when the D.C. cesspool is on lock down, the country is far better off.

I would imagine that Barry could get re-elected considering the repubs will trot out a retread. Huckabuck or some other waste of time.

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Comment by Jim A.
2009-11-20 10:48:02

If thing are generally working out, gridlock in the control room is a good thing. When your cruising at flak speed for the shoals, not such a good thing.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-11-20 11:04:05

should be ,,,flank speed… I guess I need to slow down myself.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Carlos4
2009-11-20 12:35:29

We could easily eliminate our balance of trade deficit in 2 years. Put a tariff on oil/oil related imports and an export tariff on products equal to the energy it takes for manufacture, including foodstuffs like wheat, corn, sugar (where we burn more oil to grow them than theyre selling for). The UN would scream, our economy would support our population, China could eat their oil and metals. Home prices would stabilize since the Feds could buy us each a 4/2 on a 1/4 acre.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 07:25:23

Japan’s Latest Economic Ailment: Deflation
By Coco Masters Friday, Nov. 20, 2009

Pedestrians are reflected in a window in front of an electric quotation board displaying the Nikkei key index of the Tokyo Stock Exchange in Tokyo.

During his Nov. 13 visit to Tokyo, U.S. President Barack Obama emphasized that Japan, as the world’s second-largest economy, has a special role in the global marketplace. One week later, it’s becoming clear the country may be special for another reason. While much of the rest of the planet frets about a coming rise in inflation — a consequence of economic recovery, massive stimulus spending and a weakening dollar — Japan faces the opposite problem: a potentially devastating bout of deflation.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-11-20 08:26:31

Talk about not getting the memo! Japan has been in deflation for over 10 years.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-11-20 09:59:06

About 19 years, to be more exact. Also they aren’t making enough Japanese babies to offset the elderly who are starting to die off.

At least their national policies on immigration are protecting Japan from becoming an idiocracy.

Comment by packman
2009-11-20 10:52:32

Also they aren’t making enough Japanese babies to offset the elderly who are starting to die off.

Yeah people tend to forget about that when discussing Japanese deflation. Deflation of static commodities (e.g. land, energy to some extent, etc.) is a lot more feasible in a flat or declining population than it is in a growing population like in the U.S.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-11-20 12:41:14

That is a very intriguing point Packman. The other side of the coin, us having a growing idiocracy, is that we have lots more people consuming (some international products and at least some American products).

We have oil, oil shale, coal, lots of RE for nuclear plants and nuclear burial sites. The U.S. is rich in resources and Japan has only a productive work force.

America has its World’s policeman status and the ability to join major wars when backed into an economic wall. Like in the FDR era.

Japan is not into empires for now.

Societe Generale predicts gold to $6,000 per ounce, USD.

 
Comment by packman
2009-11-20 13:05:10

There are definitely things we can learn from Japan’s experience. However one thing we cannot do is extrapolate it to our own, for all the reasons you mentioned (and then some).

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 16:08:22

Well said packman.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 11:08:02

Since the early 1990s, actually… (two decades and counting).

And that despite running the money press…

 
 
Comment by measton
2009-11-20 09:21:19

Deflation despite massive debt to GDP.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 07:38:13

More members of middle class file for bankruptcy. ~USA Today.

Staci Schubert’s career has taken her from New York to California, from graphic designer to website designer to sales executive. Most recently, she launched a business as a designer of handbags and accessories.

At 40 and with such accomplishments, Schubert is Middle Class America. She and her counterparts have long been the nation’s backbone, because their steady jobs and purchasing power have helped drive our economy.

But Middle Class America has two faces, a new study shows. Schubert is that other Middle Class America, too.

After earning $275,000 annually, Schubert used most of her savings to start her business in 2003. The earliest days of the recession in 2007 slowed sales, and she fell behind on business and personal bills. Credit card debt reached $65,000.

She tried to find a full-time job without much luck, because the job market was saturated. Temporary freelance design work couldn’t cover her bills.

So in January 2008, she filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy, becoming one of nearly 1.1 million consumer filers that year.

Comment by az_lender
2009-11-20 08:07:16

“the nation’s backbone”

…handbag designers? I guess the nation woke up and realized its backbone lay elsewhere.

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-11-20 11:34:34

I knew I picked the wrong career…

Handbag designer? Who woulda thunk it?

 
 
Comment by realestateskeptic
2009-11-20 09:04:58

Nobody making $275,000 annually should have to file for bankruptcy if she managed her finances properly (barring some major personal catastrophe) . Sounds more like “she followed her dream” of being a designer and made a bunch of really bad decisions. Sad yes, but not really worthy of much sympathy as far as I am concerned.

Comment by bink
2009-11-20 11:47:30

If she was making $275k as a sales executive somewhere then she surely must have been bringing in far more than that for her employer. No doubt they’d love to have her back. *cough*

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-11-20 09:55:09

Maybe she should have invested in a wheat farm in North Dakota back in 2003.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 16:12:04

What tripe! $275,000 a year is NOT middle class.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 07:41:13

Zandi is predicting another 10 percent drop in home prices for next year. I thought Dough-4-Dumps was supposed to make sure real estate starts going up again?

Foreclosures to persist in 2010
More people with good credit get hit

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS • November 19, 2009

WASHINGTON — The foreclosure crisis likely will persist well into next year as high unemployment pushes more people out of homes, pulls down housing prices and raises concerns about the broader economic recovery.

The latest evidence was a report Thursday that a rising proportion of fixed-rate home loans made to people with good credit are sinking into foreclosure. That’s a shift from last year, when riskier subprime loans drove the housing crisis.

The report from the Mortgage Bankers Association also found that 14 percent of homeowners with a mortgage were either behind on payments or in foreclosure at the end of September. It was a record-high figure for the ninth straight quarter.

The data suggest the housing market and the broader recovery will remain under pressure from the surge in home-loan defaults, especially as unemployment keeps rising. Lost jobs are the main reason homeowners are falling behind on their mortgages.

After three years of plunging prices, the housing market started to rebound this summer. That lifted hopes for the overall economy. But analysts say there are too many foreclosed homes that have yet to be dumped on the market and expect further price declines.

Among states, the worst damage is still concentrated in the states hardest hit from the start: Florida, Nevada, California and Arizona. Together, they accounted for 43 percent of new foreclosures.

One in four mortgages in Florida were either past due or in foreclosure, the most in the U.S. Nevada was close behind at 23 percent.

“There’s no indication in this data that foreclosures are going to abate anytime soon,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com, who projects that nationwide home prices will fall up to 10 percent before bottoming next fall.

Comment by exeter
2009-11-20 08:02:01

Ok lets say he’s right and another 10% nominal decline over all but remember….. the deepest declines thus far have ocurred in FL and southwest. The northeast just began falling this past spring so us up here in TundraCountry have much more schadenfreude to enjoy.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-11-20 08:10:32

Zandi is such a wimp. He ALWAYS has house prices “bottoming next fall” no matter which year he’s speaking in.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 07:44:41

CityCenter could make — or break — Las Vegas
Largest privately-funded construction project in U.S. history nears opening.
LAS VEGAS (MarketWatch) — Well, they built it.

CityCenter — also known as, “The Thing That (Almost) Ate MGM Mirage” — is getting ready to open its first phase in just a few weeks. A big concern is whether it will mark another successful expansion of the Las Vegas Strip or merely dump lots of new capacity onto a city where hotels have been begging for guests in the economic downturn.

Jim Murren, the chief executive of MGM Mirage and the driving force behind the massive $8 billion-plus mixed-use project, is calmly confident that not only will CityCenter boost his company’s vacillating fortunes but it will also give the whole area a lift.

“Wall Street is talking about cannibalization [but] we will know soon enough whether we’re correct in our premise that City Center is the most unprecedented marketing tool that a gaming company has ever had to increase business activity at resorts we already own,” he said in an interview an employee cafeteria deep within the gleaming towers of glass.

“This is the counterpoint to the concern that CityCenter may grow the market but at the expense of properties which are already here,” he said.

He projects that CityCenter alone could increase visitation to Las Vegas by 5% to 10% next year, all without taking away from the company’s other properties. Business for the convention center is brisk, Murren said, adding that “we have booked every single of one” of the dozens of meeting planners who have come to see the facility.

CityCenter is a joint venture between MGM Mirage and Dubai World.

Comment by DennisN
2009-11-20 08:30:07

Would they name the joint venture “Dubai Mirage”?

 
Comment by Skip
2009-11-20 08:46:47

He projects that CityCenter alone could increase visitation to Las Vegas by 5% to 10% next year, all without taking away from the company’s other properties

LOL - I bet he used to be a Realtor!

Comment by bink
2009-11-20 11:50:26

You mean you don’t go to Vegas for the “CityCenters?”

 
 
Comment by In Montana
2009-11-20 13:01:43

Isn’t City Center one of the wrecks the HBBers visited during the meetup?

Comment by lavi d
2009-11-20 13:49:50

Isn’t City Center one of the wrecks the HBBers visited during the meetup?

Nah. We never got anywhere near the Strip on the Magical Mysery Tour.

We toured several unfinished projects on the far west side - Manhattan West, Summerlin Center, and some monstrosity called “Montechiaro”

Some photos are here, but not of all the properties visited.

Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-11-20 16:05:39

Here’s some more HBB Las Vegas shots - a few of the Summerlin wreck:

http://picasaweb.google.com/SanDiegoREBear/HBBPhotos#

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Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 07:47:25

From across the Atlantic comes news that France’s Société Générale has advised clients to be ready for a possible “global economic collapse” over the next two years. The bank is mapping a strategy of defensive investments to avoid wealth destruction.

This dispatch come from Britain’s popular gloomster Ambrose Evans-Pritchard says that under the French bank’s “Bear Case” scenario, the dollar would slide further and global equities would retest the March lows. Property prices would tumble again. Oil would fall back to $50 in 2010.

~Surely Washington’s monetary brain trust would not allow anything like this to happen. On the other hand, they’ve done a bad job of staving off the present crisis and seem to have lost their way.

Comment by az_lender
2009-11-20 08:14:02

The dollar’s slide does not coincide with with downdrafts in global equity prices OR oil prices OR property prices.

All the rest of this stuff goes together if the dollar STRENGTHENS. Which is a scenario some observers expect.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-11-20 08:29:12

I was going to make the same point. Oil will not fall (in dollar-denominated terms) if the dollar weakens.

 
Comment by packman
2009-11-20 13:37:37

All the rest of this stuff goes together if the dollar STRENGTHENS. Which is a scenario some observers expect.

I beg to differ.

Sincerely:
- The early 2000’s (and many other times)

2001: US$ 109, Oil $27, DJI 10,500
2003: US$ 97, Oil $33, DJI 8,000

While they do have a relationship - it’s not a fixed one. The dollar and equities can move independently.

Right now the equities market is clueless - no one has any clue what’s going to happen to the economy, so the only fundamental driving it is the dollar, i.e. expectations of inflation. If/when people really figure out what’s going to happen with the economy, the two will decouple.

(e.g. if/when it becomes clear to everyone outside the HBB and a few other bears that this summer really has been a false bottom)

 
 
Comment by In Montana
2009-11-20 13:03:50

OK now I’m worried that it’s all going to the moon again. The experts usually only predict things that have already happened.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 07:53:52

More jobs heading to Asia…

LM Glasfibre to cut 900 jobs at European factories.

LM Glasfiber, the Danish maker of rotor blades for wind turbines, announced it will slash as many as 900 jobs at its manufacturing facilities in Denmark and Spain.

The company explains that it can no longer remain competitive without shifting the bulk of its production to Asia.

Some 700 of the job losses are set to come at two facilities in Denmark. Chief operating officer Iain Gow says the job cuts are motivated by increased competition across the wind industry and a steady shift in demand for turbines to markets outside Europe.

“We need to increase capacity where there is a high demand and high potential, and scale down where demand has dropped due to the global crisis – which is, sadly, the case in Europe,” Gow says.

“Unfortunately, this means announcing plans to phase out large scale manufacturing at two factories in Denmark and one in Spain,” he says. “However, it is a necessary step to allow us to remain the preferred partner for wind turbine manufacturers in the global marketplace.”

Comment by polly
2009-11-20 10:09:11

Is Europe likely to give up and start a protectionist trade policy for places outside the EU? I know they have a bit more than we do already (and some wierdo subsidies for agricultural products grown in former colonies), but could they go with a serious protectionist policy? Just wondering….

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 08:00:16

U.S. Housing Recovery Delayed to 2010 as Market Wanes (Update1)

Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) — A recovery in U.S. housing will have to wait at least until next year.

The outlook for the home market dimmed this week as residential construction and mortgage applications fell and loan delinquencies reached a record.

“I don’t think the housing crisis is over,” Mark Zandi, chief economist with Moody’s Economy.com, said in a telephone interview. “I think we’re going to see another leg down.”

New home sales may begin to pick up by the start of the so-called spring selling season, said Toll Brothers Inc., the largest U.S. luxury homebuilder. Existing house sales may take longer. Residential construction and property sales led the way out of the previous seven recessions going back to 1960, said David Berson, chief economist of PMI Group, the mortgage insurer in Walnut Creek, California.

Mortgage applications for home purchases fell to a 12-year low last week and foreclosures rose to record highs in the third quarter, according to reports from the Mortgage Bankers Association.

An index measuring November homebuilder confidence came in lower than the median forecast of 45 economists this week. The Commerce Department on Nov. 18 said residential building dropped 11 percent in October to the lowest level since April’s all-time bottom.

‘Challenging’ Conditions

“Market conditions in the homebuilding industry are still challenging, characterized by rising foreclosures, high inventory levels of available homes, increasing unemployment, tight credit for homebuyers and weak consumer confidence,” said Donald R. Horton, chairman of D.R. Horton Inc., the nation’s second-largest homebuilder. The company today reported a fourth-quarter loss of $231.9 million on $1 billion in sales, missing analysts’ estimates.

The $8,000 federal tax credit for first-time buyers, extended by President Barack Obama on Nov. 6, drove existing home sales to a two-year high in September. At the same time, a 26-year high in unemployment is keeping many buyers out of the market and pushing existing owners into foreclosure.

 
Comment by salinasron
2009-11-20 08:09:43

While some businesses here in Salinas are going out of business (Hollywood video) others are booming (Starbucks, Olive Garden and in Monterey, Whole Foods). Went to Whole Foods yesterday (3pm) and the place was packed, price seemed to be no object. Olive Garden on Thursday night was besieged with families of 3-5 kids (Hispanic) and again price did not seem to be a factor. The radio station broadcasting from a local Starbucks said that they usually serve 1500 customers in the morning crowd; pricing is not an obstacle.

Comment by exeter
2009-11-20 08:40:24

That’s music to EddieTards ears.

Comment by Eddie
2009-11-20 20:04:23

The union goon strikes again. Typical of all union members, Exy has no class but a penchant for violence and hate. As usual, stay classy.

Comment by exeter
2009-11-20 21:22:38

Want to know the best part of union labor Eddietard? I personally send you the bill. And there is nothing you can do about it.

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Comment by yensoy
2009-11-20 09:20:03

Salinas is built on an agricultural economy. Agriculture produces food, which is a need, not a want. As extensively discussed before on this blog, stuff we need will always be in demand and will be prone to price inflation. Arguably, those associated with agriculture are doing as good or better than earlier. So it’s not entirely surprising that you saw what you did.

Now if you go to an area of the country where they produce only stuff that we want and not need… There’s cars (Detroit) and casinos (Vegas). We know the story in those cities.

Comment by Carlos4
2009-11-20 12:49:51

Like farmers dont get 10’s of billions of non famers tax dollars as plain old subsidies for waking up the morning as farmers

Comment by Carlos4
2009-11-20 12:53:43

famers = farmers

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 16:22:18

Would it make you feel any better to know that most of those subsidies go to the larger corporate farms?

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-11-20 09:46:34

It’s easy to take your anchor babies out for a nice meal with the taxpayer giving you free $ on the EBT card (Ca.). It converts to cash, or you can use it as a debit card for food or general mdse. Two tax free jobs, and a 3rd free income is a great deal. Meanwhile Americans go to food banks, and can’t qualify for an EBT card, because they have some savings, but got laid off. You know, people who have paid into the system, and now the system is failing them. OK, rant off.

Our Kaiser monthly premium notice came yesterday. Our 2010 individual coverage for 2 adults (healthy) will be $919-/mo. I wish we were illegals. We need real reform, not lobbyist based reform.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 16:24:22

Almost $1000 a month?

Seriously, you would be better off putting that money into savings.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-11-20 20:48:38

It’s killing us. Factor in co-pays and other uncovered costs, and it’s running us $15,000-$16,000 a year. Somethings got to give.

Going without insurance is great if your poor or really rich, but it would bk us if a “black swan” happen.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 08:45:21

Sorry, way OT… But I do love laughing at these global warming kooks!
Now this phantom is forcing women to hook.

‘Climate change pushes poor women to prostitution, dangerous work’
GMANews

The effects of climate change have driven women in communities in coastal areas in poor countries like the Philippines into dangerous work, and sometimes even the flesh trade, a United Nations official said.

Suneeta Mukherjee, country representative of the United Nations Food Population Fund (UNFPA), said women in the Philippines are the most vulnerable to the effects of climate change in the country.

“Climate change could reduce income from farming and fishing, possibly driving some women into sex work and thereby increase HIV infection,” Mukherjee said during the Wednesday launch of the UNFPA annual State of World Population Report in Pasay City.

In the Philippines, small brothels usually pop up near the coastal areas where many women perform sexual services for transient seafarers. Often, these prostitutes are ferried to bigger ships by their pimps.

Based on the UNFPA report, there are 92 million Filipinos in the country as of 2009 and that number is expected to balloon to more than 146 million in the next 40 years.

Of the 92 million Filipinos, about 60 percent are living in coastal areas and depend on the seas for livelihood, said former Environment secretary Dr. Angel Alcala.

Alcala said that “we have already exceeded the carrying capacity of our marine environment.”

Comment by MrBubble
2009-11-20 08:59:27

It is way off-topic. And these “journalists” writing these stories make those writing asinine stories on the “recovery” look like Bob Woodward. Give me a break.

 
Comment by yensoy
2009-11-20 09:14:36

there are 92 million Filipinos in the country as of 2009 and that number is expected to balloon to more than 146 million in the next 40 years.

There you have it. Unchecked population growth, rather than global warming, is the bigger factor at play here. Why doesn’t someone talk about it? Maybe starting with the Pope?

Comment by Skip
2009-11-20 09:58:18

Alcala said that “we have already exceeded the carrying capacity of our marine environment.”

If this is true, I don’t see how 92 million is going to become 146 million.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-11-20 10:05:51

Exactly, yensoy. If ya can’t feed ‘em, don’t breed ‘em. Best way to reduce “global warming” is to put on a condom.

No one wants to talk about it because it might “offend” certain cultural groups that see reproduction as a “right”, not a responsibility.

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-11-20 13:04:17

Filipinos are Asian Mexicans, imho. I love most Asian cultures, but I haven’t been impressed with the Filipinos I’ve known or met.

Americans, although not perfect, we do have an American soul and culture.

When most of us are old or already gone, the U.S. will be a cesspool.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-11-20 10:20:01

Obviously, somebody has been doing some irregular field work.

Comment by exeter
2009-11-20 11:16:50

Date: November 20, 2009
Temperature: 62 degrees F
Location: White Plains,NY

Typical long term temperature on this date? 29 degrees F.

Those damn kooks.

Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 13:34:31

Wow, Temperatures fluctuate?

It is amazing how that never happened before, must global warming, or the fact that the earths core is several million degrees.

We’ll need to legislate immediately, put madam moonbat on that please, and hurry before you melt away.

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Comment by packman
2009-11-20 13:41:00

Date: November 20, 2009
Temperature: 62 degrees F
Location: White Plains,NY

Typical long term temperature on this date? 29 degrees F.

Let’s revisit this stat in a few days, shall we?

(BTW the average high for White Plains on Nov. 20th is 58.1 degrees - not 29 degrees. Nice try though.)

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Comment by Michael Viking
2009-11-20 14:32:26

Excreter (I use that name for you since you love so much to create names for other posters and it seems to fit a lot of your posts), here’s some weather info for White Plains, NY

Day Ave low Ave high Record low Record high
Nov 17 40° 53° 14° (1924) 76° (1928)
Nov 18 40° 53° 14° (1936) 70° (1953)
Nov 19 40° 52° 14° (1936) 75° (1941)
Nov 20 39° 52° 18° (1986) 74° (1985)
Nov 21 39° 52° 16° (1987) 74° (1931)

It tends to show that the conclusion you draw from your single data point is Excrementum Tauris.

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Comment by exeter
2009-11-20 21:21:04

Oh my bad. I was offered up Nov 30 data instead of Nov 20 but my data for Nov 30 is correct. As for your data P-Man? You’re dead wrong and you know it.

The facts;

Nov 20 White plains, NY MAX average temp? 48F. MIN average temp? 34F.

Nice try though.

And why using alternate usernames huh mikey or is it cobalt?

 
 
Comment by amoney
2009-11-20 15:42:54

Check the article just out on NY Times about a climate research center in the UK getting hacked - emails all over the net about faking data, discrediting doubters - all the big names in Gore’s camp. That sound is your religion, circling the drain.

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Comment by Stpn2me
2009-11-20 21:29:17

Yea,

God knows, the Phillipines was never known as a place to get a good prostitute…

“Rolls eyes”…

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-11-20 09:51:27

LA HBBers and other HBBers in the area:

Don’t forget Saturday November 21 8:30 a.m. we’ll meet for coffee at Starbucks in Torrance at Torrance Blvd and Hawthorne Blvd (across the street from Little Company of Mary Hospital)

21209 Hawthorne Blvd # A
Torrance, CA 90503-5501

Umm…My tax witholding has gone way up (with this week’s paycheck) as I anticipated for several weeks, so I have been buying generic brand coffee beans at Albertson’s & brewing my own. So this will be a rare outing for me!

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-11-20 10:02:43

I have brown hair, prescription glasses, and am about 5′11″ and I’m white and thin - conservative/church-goer appearance, although I’m a liberal atheist.

Comment by james
2009-11-20 11:11:14

My plan is to go hiking for the weekend… if I’m physically not up for it then I’ll try to make a starbucks run.

Speaking of coffee… I’m off.

 
 
Comment by lavi d
2009-11-20 13:59:07

Don’t forget Saturday November 21 8:30 a.m. we’ll meet for coffee at Starbucks in Torrance

Curses!

I’m going to be in CA this weekend, but in another direction - Kerntucky.

Maybe next time.

Comment by ahansen
2009-11-21 01:23:08

My condolences, lavi. Wave “hi” to me as you pass the turn-off into hill country on 58.

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2009-11-21 01:19:40

Oh, Pooh, BiLA. Wish I could join you guys. Please take a few pix, and post for those of us unable to get down dere to raise a cup with you?

I spent more than a few hours volunteering at LCM as a teen….

 
 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-11-20 09:58:27

Another neighbor is leaving the apartment building. Bought a house. Figures might as well take advantage of the $8K. Said he thinks the economy will be in the dumper for a while so he’s going to hunker down.

Our area (Norfolk/Virginia Beach) is still very expensive considering the job opportunities. Anything good paying is likely to be gov’t contract.

I know a lot of people who are buying due to the $8K.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-11-20 10:14:33

VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
Can this neighbor really afford the house, or did he slide in under the FHA 3.5% down payment subprime fiasco?

We’re looking to buy too (cash), but it’s not about the $8K. That’s petty cash, when it comes to the price of a house.

Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-11-20 15:25:31

Most of the people I know that are buying can afford it.

To rent a 2 bedroom apartment here where it’s not heavily violence is $1000+ a month generally.

All the new apartments, 2 bedrooms have asking rents of $1600+ it seems.

You can get homes for $200K. The only thing is they were $100K 6 years ago.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-11-20 21:00:29

And they will be $100K again.

We know we’ll take a hit as our home deflates, but we are better off reducing our monthly out go right now, and we’ll be living there PITI free, with just maintenance, taxes, insurance and utilities accurals at worst case, $1,350/mo.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 10:07:23

State’s elected officials’ pay to be cut. ~ Sacramento

Legislators and other elected officials in the capital will see their salaries slashed by 18 percent next month under an opinion issued Thursday by state Attorney General Jerry Brown, who decided that officials’ pay can be cut in the middle of their elected terms.

The decision means the state will cut the pay of all 120 lawmakers and nine constitutional officers a year earlier than expected, saving the state $2.8 million next year.

A spokesman for state Controller John Chiang said he will cut the salaries Dec. 7, the start of a new legislative session. Brown is among the officials whose annual salary will be cut, from $184,301 to $151,127.

The pay cuts were approved in May by the California Citizens Compensation Commission, which sets the salaries for elected officials in the state. At that time, the commission was advised by state lawyers that the cuts could not take effect until December 2010 - at the start of a new term.

Chuck Murray, chairman of the commission, said he was pleasantly surprised by Brown’s decision because there had been no discussion of implementing the pay cuts midterm.

“With a $21 billion deficit coming up in January, maybe it’s not enough,” Murray said of the 18 percent pay cut.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 10:08:59

LexisNexis closes O.C. office.
November 20th, 2009

LexisNexis Risk Solutions, the online information services provider, will close its Brea office and lay off 70 workers by mid-December, the company confirmed today.

lexisnexisThe company said the closure was part of its efforts to streamline business due to the economic climate. The affected employees received 60-days’ layoff notice and severance.

LexisNexis said the Brea office is one of several across the U.S. that does employment verification and customer service for the company’s background screening services business. The majority of the positions will be transitioned to other employment service center, the company said.

The LexisNexis announcement brings major layoffs in Orange County this year to 13,236.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 10:10:55

Valero Energy cutting 550 jobs in refinery closure.

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Valero Energy on Friday said it’s shutting down its refinery in Delaware City, Del. in a move that will eliminate 550 jobs. “The decision to permanently close the Delaware City refinery was a very difficult one,” said Valero Chairman and CEO Bill Klesse. “We have sought a buyer for the refinery, but feasible opportunities have not materialized. At this point, we have exhausted all viable options.” In the fourth quarter, Valero expects to report a pre-tax charge of approximately $1.7 billion to $1.8 billion, or $2.00 to $2.15 a share after taxes, related primarily to asset impairment, employee severance and other shutdown costs.

Comment by realestateskeptic
2009-11-20 12:07:12

Can’t believe Biden let this happen…

 
Comment by james
2009-11-20 12:22:29

I believe that oil consumption is way way down so this doesn’t shock me at all.

Meh.

With the green emphasis and deflation you could see the pricing of refinaries really go under.

Tax that windfall Obammy… oh wait… it’s gone!

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-11-20 15:27:35

They need to lower the price of the refinery. Maybe there is a refinery bubble. Price it right and it will sell.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 16:57:34

This is weird. Something else is going on here. It’s not like we have excess refinery capacity in this country. We don’t. (yes you can google it)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 10:18:03

California Was Among States With Record Unemployment (Update1)

Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) — Unemployment rose in 29 U.S. states in October, climbing to record levels in California, Delaware, South Carolina and Florida, government figures released today showed.

Michigan had the highest jobless rate at 15.1 percent, followed by Nevada at 13 percent and Rhode Island at 12.9 percent, the Labor Department said in Washington. The 29 states reporting an increase in unemployment compares with 22 in September.

The national rate last month reached a 26-year high of 10.2 percent, limiting consumer spending and the breadth of the economic recovery. Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said Nov. 17 that joblessness “likely will decline only slowly.”

“We’re still going to see the unemployment rate in many metro areas and many states rise for quite some time, going into next year,” Marisa Di Natale, a director at Moody’s Economy.com in West Chester, Pennsylvania, said before the report. “Employers won’t start hiring again until they’re confident the economy has really started to turn around and they’re convinced there’s work for them to do.”

The number of states with at least 10 percent unemployment held at 14 last month. The states reporting a record jobless rate were California at 12.5 percent, South Carolina at 12.1 percent, Florida at 11.2 percent and Delaware at 8.7 percent. The District of Columbia also set a record with an 11.9 percent rate.

Payroll Declines

Payrolls declined last month in 21 states, today’s report showed. New York showed the biggest drop, with a loss of 15,300. Florida had 8,500 job losses, followed by Georgia with 7,500 and Virginia with 7,100.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 10:31:55

Why Does Obama Fail to Imagine the Worst Case Scenario?
FOXNews.com

The Obama administration doesn’t sufficiently think through what possibly could go wrong over a range of issues.

A liberal lawyer I know sent me the following e-mail commentary, kidding me that “it must have been written by you!” The e-mail says:

“Let me get this straight. We’re going to pass a health care plan written by a committee whose head says he doesn’t understand it, passed by a Congress that hasn’t read it but exempts themselves from it, signed by a president that also hasn’t read it, and who smokes, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn’t pay his taxes, overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that’s nearly broke. What possibly could go wrong?”

I didn’t write that. However, as Fox News contributor (and former psychiatrist) Charles Krauthammer points out, here’s what possibly could go wrong: “There is so much pain in here: increase in taxes, increase in premiums, extra bureaucracy, interference in the medical treatment of patients, which people will be able to feel and see within months and surely within years. This will be a millstone around Democrats for years, if it passes.”

Comment by measton
2009-11-20 12:09:49

What could go wrong is we could continue with our current health care system that is inefficient and bankrupting the country and small business. One that leaves a huge percentage of the population without insurance and that strips wealth from the country for fat cat insurance executives.

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-11-20 12:28:45

measton
Thank you. Our premium for Kaiser individual coverage, for 2 healthy adults is going up to $919/mo effective Jan 1st, 2010, for less benefits, btw. That’s a 10% increase. Our income is down 65% . Not a pretty picture. We were once upper middle class.

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-11-20 12:31:34

No sweat, AW, the gov’t can create wealth. We’ll just legislate more doctors, hospitals and medical equipment into existence.

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Comment by ahansen
2009-11-21 01:44:37

Well, actually Lehigh, funding more doctors, nurses, aides, techs, public health clinics, etc. is precisely what the plan will do.

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2009-11-21 01:41:12

You think the premiums are bad…wait until you get a load of what they won’t cover when you actually need to use their services!

Then there are the co-pays, the “medically unnecessary” exclusions, the “unavailable in generics,” the “reasonable and customary,” determinations, the “exceptional” deductions, the “experimental” exculsions, the….

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Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-11-20 12:29:29

One that leaves a huge percentage of the population without insurance and that strips wealth from the country for fat cat insurance executives.

So instead, we’ll have an even huger percentage of the population on waiting lists for treatment, and strip wealth in favor of fat cat politicians.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 12:49:44

“strips wealth from the country for fat cat insurance executives”.

Thing is,it won’t skin any fat cats, but it will fleece the sheeple.

But don’t worry, you’ll get Barrycare it just won’t be the nirvana that you might think it will be, and the rich won’t suffer, they’ll keep right on getting rich.

It all about power, money and control, it’s really that simple.

Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 13:15:04

I would add that without a doubt our sickness care system needs a complete overhaul.

Problem is millions of folks are all for this new ‘thing’ and don’t even know what ‘it’ is. Scary, that so many trust the 535.

As Mr. Munger said, it will end badly.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 10:49:59

CREATING JOBS COSTS HOW MUCH?
Neal Boortz
November 20, 2009

With all of the controversy over jobs created/saved, we thought we would bring you some highlights of the top 10 biggest stimulus projects .. and all of the wonderful jobs they created.

1. Savannah River Nuclear Solutions, LLC (SC) - $1,407,839,884 awarded - $225,872,246 invoiced/received - 800 jobs created - $282,340 per job
2. CH2M Hill Plateau Remediation Company (WA) - $1,359,715,229 - $142,167,945 invoiced - 621 jobs - $228,934 per job
3. CH2M WG Idaho LLC (ID) - $437,675,000 - $66,401,236 invoiced - 496 jobs - $133,873 per job
4. UT-Battelle, LLC (TN) - $338,697,231 - $12,909,144 invoiced - 41 jobs - $314,857 per job
5. SAIC-Frederick, Inc. (MD) - $302,521,207 - project not commenced
6. Washington River Protection Solutions LLC (WA) - $299,728,838 - 200 jobs - $28,092,695 invoiced - $140,463 per job
7. Babcock & Wilcox Technical Services Y-12, LLC (TN) - $270,299,243 - 129 jobs - $18,107,076 invoiced - $140,364 per job
8. Brookhaven Science Associates, LLC (NY) - $257,613,800 - 25 jobs - $29,528,879 invoiced - $1,181,155 per job
9. Washington Closure Hanford, LLC (WA) - $253,614,000 - 36 jobs - $16,474,802 invoiced - $457,633 per job
10. Los Alamos National Security, LLC (NM) - $230,835,000 - 66 jobs - $7,646,242 invoiced - $115,852 per job

Comment by Lip
2009-11-20 16:34:08

So who got the $$ and jobs in the districts that don’t exist?

ACORN?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 10:52:31

GA construction jobs decline 18 percent.
Atlanta Business Chronicle

Georgia continued to shed construction jobs in October, according new analysis by the Associated General Contractors of America of government employment figures.

The Peach State had 161,800 construction jobs in October, compared with $197,300 in October 2008 and 161,400 in September 2009. Georgia ranked 43rd among the states for the 18 percent year-over-year loss.

Every state but one, North Dakota, lost construction jobs in October.

“A shockingly large portion of the construction industry’s workforce has simply evaporated,” said Ken Simonson, chief economist for the association.

He added that the national construction unemployment rate of 18.7 percent was the highest of any sector in October and the industry accounted for one-fifth of all job losses in the past year, even though construction only employs one out of 20 workers.

The five biggest percentage losses in construction employment over the year occurred in Nevada (26.9 percent, or 30,200 jobs), Arizona (24.2 percent, or 42,600 jobs), Tennessee (22.3 percent, or 29,300 jobs), Kentucky (20.8 percent, or 17,600 jobs) and Connecticut (19.3 percent or 12,500 jobs).

The largest monthly gains were a 4.6 percent rise in Michigan (5,400 jobs); 3.4 percent in Wisconsin (3,500 jobs), 3.3 percent in Indiana (4,000 jobs), 2.6 percent in West Virginia (900 jobs) and 2.3 percent in Rhode Island (400 jobs). The largest percentage losses for the month were a 3.7 percent decline in Mississippi (2,000 jobs), a 3.4 percent decline in North Carolina (6,600 jobs), a 2.9 percent decline in Idaho (1,100 jobs), a 2.8 percent decline in Colorado (3,700 jobs), and a 2.4 percent decline in Oregon (1,900 jobs).

“Because construction workers have carried the burden of the downturn’s job losses, the easiest way to cut unemployment and boost the economy is to get America building again,” said Stephen E. Sandherr, the association’s CEO, in a statement. “Increasing investments in highway, transit and infrastructure construction must be the core component to the ‘jobs’ bill that Washington officials are committing to pass soon.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 11:18:03

Obama hails phony stimulus jobs. ~ Scott Ott
Examiner Columnist
November 20, 2009 ~News fairly unbalanced. We report. You decipher.

President Obama on Friday hailed the “amazing growth” in phony stimulus jobs, especially from nonexistent congressional districts, as a “sure sign that we’re seeing a make-believe recovery and an encouraging spurt in faux GDP.”

Faux gross domestic product usually trails other false economic indicators, the president said, but with projected unemployment plummeting, the federal government’s top alleged experts predict ill-founded consumer confidence will bounce back “before the end of the year at the latest, and quite possibly before supper time tonight.”

While Republicans and other skeptics have slammed the Obama administration’s use of erroneous data to buttress its claims of an economic turnaround, the president said, “It’s exactly this kind of data that the American people need to lift their spirits and to divert their attention from the looming collapse of our capitalist system … which is, of course, not going to happen, as our latest reports demonstrate beyond a shadow of a doubt.”

The president criticized his predecessor, George W. Bush, for “offering false hope without the fictitious numbers to back it up.”

“My administration provides genuine false hope,” Obama said, “and we’ve offered dubious supporting statistics, giving it a patina of credibility that has an intoxicating effect on those with a cursory knowledge of economics.”

Meanwhile, Democrats in Congress have reacted to the revelation that millions in stimulus cash reportedly generated thousands of jobs in congressional districts that don’t exist, by noting that “those congressional districts don’t exist … yet,” in the words of Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev. “That doesn’t mean they’ll never exist. We Democrats see the glass as half full.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 11:52:01

Mayors Sound Alarm Over Drop in City Revenues.

WASHINGTON — Mayors from four U.S. cities said they are facing a once-in-a-generation fiscal crisis and that federal stimulus funds have, so far, been largely unhelpful in helping them balance budgets hit by steep drops in nearly every source of municipal revenue.

The comments, from mayors of Philadelphia, San Jose, Calif; Mesa, Ariz., and Bowling Green, Ky., at a panel discussion sponsored by the Brookings Institution and the National League of Cities, underscore how the recession for local government is far from over.

Mesa’s mayor, Scott Smith, said the steep drops in sales-tax revenue, the city’s primary source of money, are “changing our reality.”

“We treat this financial crisis as something we’re not going to get out of,” said Mr. Smith, whose city has about 500,000 citizens and is in the Phoenix metropolitan area.

Even as economists declare the recession over, local revenues continue to fall. That’s because the lion’s share of their receipts — sales, income and property taxes — are connected to the job market and real-estate prices. Jobs and real-estate prices are expected to lag the broader economic recovery, reducing city revenues for months or years after the technical end of the recession.

“This is unknown for our generation,” said Chris Hoene, director of the center for research and innovation at the National League of Cities. Mr. Hoene said it was likely to be 18 to 24 months before local government revenues resume growing.

The mayors said deep budget gaps have forced them to make cuts to basic services including police and fire protection, that the financial crisis has turned cities and states against each other and that fiscal strains emphasize the need for money-saving changes to pension and health benefits in the heavily unionized public sector. “Change has to come and this moment of crisis is going to force it,” said Michael Nutter, mayor of Philadelphia.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 11:54:50

Want lower credit card interest? Keep spending, Citi says.

NEW YORK — For Citibank credit card holders, there is one way to escape the bank’s rate hikes currently underway: Meet a monthly spending requirement.

Those who meet the spending minimum — in some cases $750 a month — will be able to get a rebate on their total interest charges for that month. The rebate could cover some or all of the interest rate hike. Customers also need to make payments on time to qualify for the rebate.

Without giving specifics, Citi said the monthly spending requirements and interest rate hikes will vary depending on the cardholder’s credit history.

About half of its customers will be able to erase 50% to 100% of their rate increases through the rebates. Citi said its rebates will be based on interest charges for an entire balance, not just monthly charges.

With 92 million credit cards in circulation last year, Citi was the second largest card issuer in the country, according to CreditCards.com. Chase was the largest with 119 million cards, and Bank of America was third with 80 million cards.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 12:41:07

A convenient and effective way to discredit someone if you are not sufficiently intelligent to refute their cogent argument is to suggest they are a kook. Just ask EddieTard :-)

The Federal Reserve Vs. Ron Paul

Posted: November 20, 2009 at 4:35 am
24/7 Wall St Real Time 500

The Fed’s argument against Paul’s proposal is simple and defensible. The agency keeps important secrets including which large banks need substantial amounts of money during hard times. The public cannot know these details because it would cause a national panic. What if it was common knowledge that Citigroup (NYSE:C) had borrowed $100 billion in emergency funds from the agency? Citi’s stock could lose 90% of its value in a day. The Fed wants to keep secrets to prevent runs on major banks. The Fed, its defenders would argue, is the home to impartial financial minds that have the best interests of the nation’s credit system at heart. The average person would not be able to stand the strain of watching the agency’s daily high wire act up close, certainly not during a crisis.

How about if the Congress gets this party started by asking the Fed to submit a list of topics which are off limits, due to the risk of compromising the Fed’s sacrosanct monetary policy independence. Once this list of “off limits” topics is agreed upon, I am sure bright minds can still come up with an interesting enough list of remaining questions regarding the Fed’s recent conduct to keep GAO auditors busy for a year or so.

The problem with the status quo is that the blanket exemption the Fed is trying to claim into any level of inquiry behind their veil of secrecy could potentially be hiding activities which place the Fed squarely above the rule of the US Constitutional system of checks and balances.

For instance, does the law give the Fed the legal authority to pick winners and losers during a financial crisis? Did the Fed’s actions in the Fall of 2008 have anything to do with the massive bonuses Goldman Sachs employees are currently enjoying while most of the US enjoys record unemployment rates? Inquiring minds want to know.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 13:44:27

Another useful but specious argument technique often employed on the blog by EddieTard, and also used by Douglas A. McIntyre in the closing paragraphs of his piece I have linked here, is the straw man characterization of your opponent’s argument.

So far as I am aware, the Fed is not in the business of endorsing checks, as Mr. McIntyre suggests; consequently, Ron Paul could not even possibly be interested in monitoring the Fed’s check endorsement activities, could he?

I have a question regarding Mr. McIntyre:

Does he receive direct or indirect compensation from either the Fed or Megabank, Inc?

‘Paul’s reason for wanting the Federal Reserve to open its kimono is that the public and members of Congress can understand the details of how the agency works without the help of a math, economics, or physics professor. The public and Congress should be able to influence the Fed because it uses public money and may be putting that capital at unnecessary risk.

The flaw in the thinking about an “open Fed” is that most elected officials and average citizens are too stupid to understand the Fed. They don’t have an IQ problem, but they do suffer, in most case, from a lack of education about complex fiscal policy, macroeconomics, and game theories of John Forbes Nash who was himself schizophrenic. In other words, the Federal Reserve management and staff perform a function that most people cannot possibly understand in any detail. Citigroup may need $100 billion for a week. That does not mean it is going out of business, or, if it is, the Fed knows enough to call the Treasury Secretary immediately.

It is not entirely unfair to compare what goes on inside the Federal Reserve with what happens at the CIA, FBI, or some parts of the Defense Department. Secrets are not, in and of themselves wrong, if they protect something in the national interest. Ron Paul seems to think that nothing is in the national interest except for dismantling the federal government. Whether that is a good idea or not, it simply cannot be done overnight. It may be good to tear some old institutions down, but it rarely helps if there is no plan to replace them with new institutions of substance. Paul wants to raise the nation’s financial mansion and leave a vacant lot. It could be especially dangerous for this to happen, especially in a time of fiscal crisis.

Paul may have some special standing in Washington or in the mind of the public because he has run for President twice, but so did Ross Perot. The Fed has a number of flaws and most of them were revealed during the credit crisis. That is not solved by letting every person in the republic endorse each check that the Fed sends out.’

Douglas A. McIntyre

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 13:51:24

Perhaps the Fed audit could revisit the lingering question of whether the Fed is part of the US government, or a private bank. That would seem like an important first step in deciding how or whether the US government should regulate the Fed.

We were sold to the Fed Reserve in 1933

In 1933 when the US went bankrupt (we are still in bk operating under emergency funds) the Federal Reserve told the US Treasure that they owed them a lot of money and did they intend on paying them back. The 48 govenors at the time came up with a plan. They pledged they current and future citizens taxes as lien to pay back the debt. Prior to that the Federal Government (not the be confused with Federal Reserve who is privately owned) no juristiction over its citizens, you were a citizen in the state which had sovernty. Now when you are born, you get: 1) a bith certificate, 2) a ss# and a ficticous identidy call a “Strawman” or “trade name”. The Strawman was devised because according to the law there can be no agreement valid unless its between 2 corporations, so your “Strawman” is a defacto corporation that the different government municipalities can circumvent the constitution and ficticiously claim juristiction over us. This “Strawman” is recognised on your license, birth cert, all your legal docs. Instead of your true identidy with your name spelled with only your initials Capitalized, your “Strawman” is your name spelled all Capitalized with just your middle intial. If you look at the number on the top of your birth cerificate and have a friend on the bond market you will find a bond with your “Strawman” on it for between $1M and $10M that has been traded 85% of the time to the Federal Reserve. We are intentured slaves.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 17:02:14

Told ya. (but I honestly didn’t know this)

 
 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2009-11-20 16:25:09

“What if it was common knowledge that Citigroup (NYSE:C) had borrowed $100 billion in emergency funds from the agency? Citi’s stock could lose 90% of its value in a day.”

Silly me. I thought the OWNERS of Citigroup, you know the stockholders, had a RIGHT to know about the company’s performance. If the company is borrowing huge sums of money in what way do the stockholders, and the public as it is a public company, not have a right to know?

And if the short term loan makes sense and gets repaid, those that believe in C and bought when it fell 90% get rewarded for their faith. I would also argue that if C cannot make the case for a $100 billion in emergency fund to its stockholders maybe it will have to reevaluate its business practices.

At what point can stockholders sue the company and the Fed for withholding this vital information from the public?

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 16:59:29

Stockholders have rights? Since when?

Are they still teaching that canard in school?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 22:14:05

Stockholders have rights alright …

– to get screwed as much as the company they were dumb enough to buy decides to screw them.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 12:53:20

Natural gas plunges 12 percent this month.
Good news for home heating: With the most natural gas in storage, prices plunge by 12 percent. ~ November 20, 2009

NEW YORK (AP) — Natural gas prices have dropped by more than 12 percent in the past month as the country continues to sip at its energy reserves and a balmy November allowed homeowners to leave the heat off.

Retail prices for natural gas, or what many consumers will pay to heat their homes, are expected to be substantially lower this year.

Spot prices for natural gas have dropped to almost half of what they were last year, though they’ve increased slightly this month, according to the Energy Information Administration.

The recession has kept natural gas demand low most of the year. With manufacturers shuttering factories and closing offices, the country is using less electricity and power plants are burning less natural gas.

Analyst Stephen Schork noted that with industrial production still weak, home heating would be the primary source of natural gas demand for the rest of the year.

“What does that say about the current recovery, or lack thereof?” Schork said in a research note.

The U.S. has added more natural gas into storage every week since March 27, and there is now more natural gas tucked away in the U.S. than at any point in history. Storage houses are crammed beyond their listed capacity in the West on the Gulf of Mexico, and they’re nearing capacity elsewhere, according to data from the Department of Energy.

 
Comment by JLR
2009-11-20 12:58:28

Have any of you noticed an increase in crime in your neighborhoods? Ours has had a huge increase. We live in a great neighborhood just north of the Baltimore city line (in the county) and out of nowhere we are getting hit with breakins and attacks. Unheard of in this neighborhood before … this is a place where people know each other and kids walk 2 blocks to the elementary and middle school …

We are unfortunately close to some more run-down, dangerous neighborhoods and it seems that the economic problems are causing the criminals to move further in their pursuit of things to steal. It’s really sad.

Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 13:19:30

Yes! Our home break in rate has jumped up 32% over last year, here in Columbia, S.C.

My in-laws car was broken into last week on a visit here, did a $1000.00 worth of damage for a $200.00 GPS that was locked in the glove box.

Crime rates will continue to rise, especially during the holidays, Merry Christmas!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 13:47:22

Easy solution: Move out of Baltimore (the city where Edgar Allen Poe received the inspiration for his lurid crime stories).

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-11-20 15:54:52

My car got burglarized, did $3000 damage stealing the $700 Pioneer nav unit. Now I cover the insurance provided replacement with the face removed from a factory stereo, so it’s not obvious it’s there.

I don’t get it. The middle class isn’t likely to rob, and the poor people still get the same handouts as always. Less middle class buying drugs?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 17:06:34

Yes. Houston. Far outer ‘burbs. Nice neighborhood.

Robberies and burglaries up. Sorry, no hard numbers, just grapevine and some news, but I’ve lived here for a few years now and know the area and people.

 
Comment by robiscrazy
2009-11-21 00:11:47

This will offend Lavi. Someone went in my backyard and stole my $25 beater mountain bike I use for getting around the neighborhood. Never had to lock it up at the store. Go figure.

Wasn’t so sad about the bike as I was about my street tires (slicks) and baskets. Oh well, time to scare up a beach cruiser maybe.

 
 
Comment by lavi d
2009-11-20 13:22:34

It’s all over. You can come out and buy a house, now.

REAL ESTATE: Las Vegas home prices stabilize as threat of foreclosure flood wanes

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 13:48:46

Bill Bonner, speaking his mind from London, England… (excerpt)

Okay! We’ll say what we’ve been thinking…

..that our children are going to spit on our graves!

First, Americans made a colossal mistake in the ’90s and the ’00s. They partied…they spent…they borrowed…running up huge debts in the private sector. Most kids could forget about inheriting anything from their parents; the geezers spent it years ago.

The boomer generation also made a mess of the biggest success story in world history - the United States of America. In the ’60s and ’70s - when boomers matured and began to take over - the US was still on top of the world. It had a positive trade balance…huge savings…massive investments abroad…and the strongest companies in the world.

They ruined it. The financial industry took over…replacing manufacturing. Instead of making things we could sell at a profit, Wall Street sold debt - mostly to us! In government, imperial ambitions pushed aside the restraints and good sense of the old republic. Overseas, military bases were set up in 120 countries. We now have unwinnable, trillion-dollar wars that could go on forever. At home, the sheep look to the government to solve every problem. Thirty-five million Americans - almost as many as the entire population of Spain - depend on the feds’ food stamp program for their daily bread.

At least, most Americans are making amends in their private lives. The old days, when the US was “the world’s mouth,” are over. We can no longer be counted on to buy up every gadget and gizmo produced in the world. We’re rediscovering the old virtues of thrift and savings. Frugality is back in style. If this continues, the Baby Boom generation may not leave the next generation with much net wealth, but at least it will not leave behind huge net debts.

But over in the public sector, the debt toll mounts up. The boomers want the government - which means, the next generation - to pay for their health care…their unemployment insurance…their bailouts and their handouts. The deficit for this year is expected to be about $1.5 trillion. Next year, it will be about the same. The feds say it is too early to pull back on their stimulus efforts. Housing credits and unemployment benefits have just been extended. A trillion-dollar overhaul of the healthcare system is in the works. Even assuming a real recovery - don’t hold your breath - the deficits are supposed to run $1 trillion per year for the next 10 years. More likely, as we reported in this space a few weeks ago, the deficits will be $2 trillion per year. By the time today’s 30-year-old gets a family…a house…and a mortgage, he will also have his share of a $20 trillion dollar deficit - not to mention the “off budget” obligations of the US government, a total of more than $100 trillion!

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 19:07:21

No. They made a colossal mistake in the 80s and bought into voodoo, er, I mean “supply side” economics and “unions bad, unrestrained greed good” BS.

We are getting exactly what we deserve unless we find a way to kick the can farther down the road. In which case, the next financial crisis will be the final one. (figure of speech, but you know what I mean)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-11-20 14:12:43

What to do, what to do? Perhaps they could raise taxes.

State’s tax take down by $99M in October; Investment returns off by 65% ~ Triangle Business Journal

The state’s revenue picture continued to darken in October as the word “recovery” remained an unfulfilled promise.

Net tax revenues dropped by $99 million, or 6.2 percent, during the month, as compared to 2008, the North Carolina Controller’s office reported.

The figure represents the state’s take on a number of taxes, including sales taxes, corporate income, payroll withholding taxes and others.

With less cash on hand to invest short term, investment returns also were hit, declining by $10.5 million, or 65 percent, during the same period.

Since the beginning of the 2010 fiscal year on July 1, the state has posted an overall revenue drop of nearly $255 million, or 4.4 percent, the controller’s office says.

 
Comment by dude
2009-11-20 15:31:14

October dataquick numbers are out for socal.

http://dqnews.com/Charts/Monthly-Charts/LA-Times-Charts/ZIPLAT.aspx

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 16:14:42

The Financial Times
Germany warns US on market bubbles
By Ralph Atkins in Frankfurt

Published: November 20 2009 19:48 | Last updated: November 20 2009 19:48

Germany’s new finance minister has echoed Chinese warnings about the growing threat of fresh global asset price bubbles, fuelled by low US interest rates and a weak dollar.

Wolfgang Schäuble’s comments highlight official concern in Europe that the risk of further financial market turbulence has been exacerbated by the exceptional steps taken by central banks and governments to combat the crisis.

Last weekend, Liu Mingkang, China’s banking regulator, criticised the US Federal Reserve for fuelling the “dollar carry-trade”, in which investors borrow dollars at ultra-low interest rates and invest in higher-yielding assets abroad.

Speaking at a banking conference in Frankfurt on Friday, Mr Schäuble said it would be “naive” to assume the next asset price bubble would take the same guise as the last.

He said: “More likely today is a scenario in which excess liquidity globally creates a new [sort of] asset market bubble.”

He added: “That low interest rate currencies such as the US dollar are increasingly being used as a basis for currency carry trades should give pause for thought. If there was a sudden reversal in this business, markets would be threatened with enormous turbulence, including in foreign exchange markets.”

Mr Schäuble, a political veteran, took over the German finance ministry after Angela Merkel began her second term as chancellor last month.

His comments reflect the concern of European policymakers that the continent will bear the brunt of a global adjustment process through a stronger euro.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-11-20 19:10:16

WTF? It’s like Texas Hold’em on a global scale.

The thing about poker is you don’t always win.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 16:21:03

The Financial Times
Bernanke blowing bubbles
Published: November 17 2009 15:13 | Last updated: November 17 2009 22:37

Finally a central banker has admitted he is as clueless as everyone else. “It is inherently extraordinarily difficult to know whether an asset’s price is in line with its fundamental value,” said the Federal Reserve chairman in a speech on Monday. Ben Bernanke then contradicted himself, however, by adding: “It’s not obvious to me in any case that there’s any large misalignments currently in the US financial system.” Given the first statement, how can he know?

If Mr Bernanke has no idea what a bubble looks like, China reckons it does, suggesting this week that US policy is causing a speculative rise in asset prices. In truth, it is hard to say what is driving the surge in equities, credit and commodities. So-called risk trades are seemingly revelling in near-zero US interest rates. But many global fundamentals are improving too. Nor are there signs of increased financial leverage or higher volumes traditionally associated with froth.

But arguing over the rally since March is short-sighted. More important are the gigantic bubbles, decades in the making, which led to this downturn. Those will only deflate over time. At 18 per cent, for example, US financial sector output as a percentage of total corporate output is still at a record high. Total gross household debt relative to disposable incomes remains 30-odd percentage points above even the inflated average of 90 per cent seen in the 1990s. Western consumers will slowly save more and spend less.

Sure, many assets look overvalued. Using long-run, cyclically adjusted earnings, US stocks are about 40 per cent too high, according to Smithers & Co. But as Tuesday’s tepid industrial production and inflation numbers show, these bubbles should not distract from more powerful shifts occurring right beneath investors’ feet.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 17:52:33

FINANCIAL CRISIS
Foreclosures will keep rising through 2010, report says

Mortgage Bankers Assn. says delinquencies and home repossessions have hit a new high. Blaming job losses for most of the pain, it sees a continued surge in foreclosures through all of next year.

* Related
* Number of people seeking mortgages to buy homes drops again
* 30-year fixed-rate mortgages dip below 5% again

By E. Scott Reckard

November 20, 2009

Home foreclosures are likely to keep climbing through all of next year despite stabilizing housing prices in some areas, a major lender group said Thursday as it reported that the level of delinquencies and repossessed homes had jumped to a record.

One in seven U.S. home loans was past due or in foreclosure as of Sept. 30, putting that quarterly delinquency measure at its highest level since 1972, when the Mortgage Bankers Assn. began reporting it. At the beginning of this year, 1 in 10 loans was past due or in foreclosure.

The continued surge in delinquencies suggests that a recovery in the housing market could be stalled by the worsening job picture as well as by further fallout from the easy-money lending that prevailed during the boom years.

Signals about housing have been decidedly mixed. On the bright side, median home prices appear to have stabilized — for the time being, anyway — in hard-hit areas of California such as the Inland Empire, and have begun to inch up again in San Diego and Orange counties and in San Francisco.

But recent negative indicators, in addition to rising foreclosures, include the home lender group’s report Wednesday that applications for mortgages to buy homes have declined for six straight weeks despite interest rates below 5% on 30-year fixed-rate loans. Also Wednesday, the Commerce Department said the seasonally adjusted rate of housing starts fell more than 10% in October from the previous month.

Overall, 14.41% of all U.S. home loans were in foreclosure or at least 30 days past due at the end of the third quarter — 1 in 7 — and up from 13.16% in the second quarter.

As it has for some time, the group’s report on delinquencies blamed job losses, not tricky adjustable-rate loans, for causing most of the recent pain.

The mortgage group’s chief economist, Jay Brinkmann, said he expected the delinquencies to keep rising until the unemployment rate tops out in the first or second quarter of next year.

Normally, foreclosures would continue rising for two quarters past the peak in delinquencies, he said. However, given the extreme decline in home prices, Brinkmann predicted the foreclosure rate would continue to rise longer than usual past the peak in delinquencies.

Four Sun Belt states where the housing bubble inflated the most and exotic lending was most prevalent — California, Florida, Nevada and Arizona — accounted for 43% of the foreclosures started in the third quarter.

Prime loans — those made to the borrowers with the best credit — continued to make up a growing percentage of troubled mortgages. Such loans accounted for nearly 33% of new foreclosures last quarter, compared with 21% a year earlier, when high-risk subprime loans made during the housing boom were the main reason for default.

In California, 4.62% of fixed-rate prime mortgages, considered the safest home loans of all, were in foreclosure or 90 days delinquent.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 22:27:58

This sounds like a Keynesian debt disaster in the making.

Meanwhile, Happy Thanksgiving to all — eat, drink, and be merry :-)

* The Wall Street Journal
* OPINION
* NOVEMBER 20, 2009, 6:47 P.M. ET

The Coming Deficit Disaster

The president says he understands the urgency of our fiscal crisis, but his policies are the equivalent of steering the economy toward an iceberg.

By DOUGLAS HOLTZ-EAKIN

President Barack Obama took office promising to lead from the center and solve big problems. He has exerted enormous political energy attempting to reform the nation’s health-care system. But the biggest economic problem facing the nation is not health care. It’s the deficit. Recently, the White House signaled that it will get serious about reducing the deficit next year—after it locks into place massive new health-care entitlements. This is a recipe for disaster, as it will create a new appetite for increased spending and yet another powerful interest group to oppose deficit-reduction measures.

Our fiscal situation has deteriorated rapidly in just the past few years. The federal government ran a 2009 deficit of $1.4 trillion—the highest since World War II—as spending reached nearly 25% of GDP and total revenues fell below 15% of GDP. Shortfalls like these have not been seen in more than 50 years.

Going forward, there is no relief in sight, as spending far outpaces revenues and the federal budget is projected to be in enormous deficit every year. Our national debt is projected to stand at $17.1 trillion 10 years from now, or over $50,000 per American. By 2019, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s (CBO) analysis of the president’s budget, the budget deficit will still be roughly $1 trillion, even though the economic situation will have improved and revenues will be above historical norms.

The planned deficits will have destructive consequences for both fairness and economic growth. They will force upon our children and grandchildren the bill for our overconsumption. Federal deficits will crowd out domestic investment in physical capital, human capital, and technologies that increase potential GDP and the standard of living. Financing deficits could crowd out exports and harm our international competitiveness, as we can already see happening with the large borrowing we are doing from competitors like China.

At what point, some financial analysts ask, do rating agencies downgrade the United States? When do lenders price additional risk to federal borrowing, leading to a damaging spike in interest rates? How quickly will international investors flee the dollar for a new reserve currency? And how will the resulting higher interest rates, diminished dollar, higher inflation, and economic distress manifest itself? Given the president’s recent reception in China—friendly but fruitless—these answers may come sooner than any of us would like.

Mr. Obama and his advisers say they understand these concerns, but the administration’s policy choices are the equivalent of steering the economy toward an iceberg. Perhaps the most vivid example of sending the wrong message to international capital markets are the health-care reform bills—one that passed the House earlier this month and another under consideration in the Senate. Whatever their good intentions, they have too many flaws to be defensible.

First and foremost, neither bends the health-cost curve downward. The CBO found that the House bill fails to reduce the pace of health-care spending growth. An audit of the bill by Richard Foster, chief actuary for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, found that the pace of national health-care spending will increase by 2.1% over 10 years, or by about $750 billion. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s bill grows just as fast as the House version. In this way, the bills betray the basic promise of health-care reform: providing quality care at lower cost.

Second, each bill sets up a new entitlement program that grows at 8% annually as far as the eye can see—faster than the economy will grow, faster than tax revenues will grow, and just as fast as the already-broken Medicare and Medicaid programs. They also create a second new entitlement program, a federally run, long-term-care insurance plan.

Finally, the bills are fiscally dishonest, using every budget gimmick and trick in the book: Leave out inconvenient spending, back-load spending to disguise the true scale, front-load tax revenues, let inflation push up tax revenues, promise spending cuts to doctors and hospitals that have no record of materializing, and so on.

If there really are savings to be found in Medicare, those savings should be directed toward deficit reduction and preserving Medicare, not to financing huge new entitlement programs. Getting long-term budgets under control is hard enough today. The job will be nearly impossible with a slew of new entitlements in place.

In short, any combination of what is moving through Congress is economically dangerous and invites the rapid acceleration of a debt crisis. It is a dramatic statement to financial markets that the federal government does not understand that it must get its fiscal house in order.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 22:31:47

Nobody is currently behaving as though they expect the Fed to follow through on its announced tightening plans before inflation happens.

Leaders

The deficit problem
Dealing with America’s fiscal hole

Nov 19th 2009
From The Economist print edition
Don’t cut the deficit now—but explain how, eventually, you will

Jon Berkeley

FOR years America’s fiscal problems had a surreal quality. No one disputed that an ageing population and health-care inflation could bust the budget, but that prospect was decades away and procrastination seemed painless. No longer. A giant hole has opened in the budget because of stimulus, bail-outs and a recession that has savaged economic growth and tax revenue. On current policies the publicly held federal debt, 41% of GDP last year, will double in the next decade (see article). Total government debt will move well above the G20 average. In a few years the AAA rating of Treasury bonds, the world’s most important security, could be in jeopardy.

A sudden crisis is unlikely. Other rich countries with far bigger debts relative to the size of their economies, from Italy to Japan, have soldiered on without hitting a wall. Stable politics, transparent laws and economic dominance give America unequalled credibility with lenders. For all the anxiety the declining dollar drew from China this week (see article), it has no serious rival as the world’s reserve currency. America has sensibly used this fiscal freedom to enact an aggressive stimulus programme. This should be maintained for as long as it is needed.

Yet ignoring the future is also costly. The problem is not the deficits in the next couple of years, but in the years that follow. Uncertainty over how taxes may be raised to shrink deficits may already be weighing on business confidence. Worries about inflation or default could start to push up interest rates. Eventually, private investment will be crowded out.

Barack Obama and Congress can pre-empt such corrosive uncertainty with a plan to reduce the deficit now. Far from requiring immediate spending cuts or tax increases, a credible plan would reassure markets and allow an orderly exit from fiscal stimulus. The Federal Reserve provides a model: it does not plan to tighten monetary policy in the near future, but has signalled its willingness to do so when inflation threatens.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-11-20 22:39:44

All news is good for stocks. The stock market always goes up…

Finance and Economics

Buttonwood
Something’s gotta give

Nov 19th 2009
From The Economist print edition
Either central banks are wrong to keep rates low, or markets are wrong to expect recovery

Illustration by S. Kambayashi

LIKE a truck rolling downhill, the rally in risky assets is proving hard to stop. Good economic news causes share prices to rise because it indicates the recovery is robust; bad economic news also causes prices to rise because it signals that central banks will keep interest rates near zero.

Those low interest rates have probably been the main driver of the rally, encouraging investors to put their cash to work in search of higher returns. But other factors have been at play. Forecasts for corporate profits have been revised steadily upwards as analysts anticipate the benefits of economic recovery.

At some point, the central dilemma at the heart of this rally will have to be resolved. Low interest rates seem like good news for investors. But why are central banks holding rates so low? Either they are correct in assessing that the economy is still fragile, in which case corporate profits will ultimately disappoint. Or they are underestimating the strength of the recovery, in which case inflationary pressures will start to emerge (and bond yields will rise sharply). Markets will have a tricky time navigating between this Scylla and Charybdis in 2010.

 
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