December 4, 2009

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-04 23:20:47

Ben Bernanke’s bubble trouble
Posted: December 04, 2009, 12:27 PM by Drew Hasselback

Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chairman, has a little problem. He missed one of the biggest housing bubbles in history as it swelled right under his nose. Now, as he goes through the process that will probably see him re-appointed to a second term, he’s enduring a beating from U.S. Senators who want him to promise to do better.

The results of Bernanke’s confirmation hearings will have a lot say about the future role of the Fed chairman. It may also determine how other central bankers around the world conduct themselves in the years ahead.

The big question is whether the Fed will now act preemptively to diagnose bubbles as they happen and pop those bubbles before they get too big. Central banks have long fought against this role because it requires them to be smarter than the market.

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Comment by az_lender
2009-12-05 09:56:11

That’s wonderful. But why does the name “Dean Glenn Hubbard” appear on the title part? Did he write it? I really hate Glenn Hubbard (Dean of Columbia Biz School), who has been on TV time and time again promoting house-price supports of one kind or another. Or maybe the geeky performer (PERFECT) in the video is named Dean Glenn Hubbard as a joke? Help me out here.

Comment by JoeC
2009-12-05 10:46:34

Hubbard is at Columbia. He was passed over by Bush as the Chairman of the Fed (in favor of Bernanke). The performer is an MBA student at Columbia and is poking fun at Hubbard in a nice way.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 11:09:07

“Glenn Hubbard (Dean of Columbia Biz School) … has been on TV time and time again promoting house-price supports of one kind or another.”

Don’t house-price supports constitute illegal, anti-competitive price fixing under the Sherman Antitrust Act?

Sorry to keep repeating my question like some kind of broken record, but I am still awaiting a single cogent answer.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 11:29:10

If the dean of Columbia Business School or some high ranking government official proposes that housing price supports are in the public interest, does that some how make collusion to fix prices legal?

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Comment by polly
2009-12-05 13:56:23

I don’t know about the Sherman Act in particular, but there are a lot of laws that the government makes itself exempt from in the text of the law.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 14:48:56

Cool — it must be pretty schweet to play a game where you can make up or change the rules to your liking as the game progresses…

 
 
 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2009-12-05 06:27:12

Dude? Smarter than the market? The market wasn’t smart, it was betting tons of money on the fact that the Fed is glacially stupid and wasn’t going to take away the punch bowl. In effect, the market was betting on the Fed’s stupidity, and kept blowing up the housing bubble because of it.

Anyone who couldn’t see the housing bubble in 2003-4 was an idiot. If you couldn’t see it in 5-6, you were either part of the bubble (making 200K a year on your condo in FL) or a total idiot, or perhaps trapped under a rock somewhere.

It’s not that hard, anyone looking at Shiller’s graph could have told you that the punchbowl needed to be pulled away. I’d be happy if the Fed’s goal was to just promote stability in house and currency prices. Those are, IMHO, the ones that really matter.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-05 08:01:02

I’m a total idiot and even I saw the housing bubble coming in 03. What does that say about our countrymen?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 08:32:11

It raises the usual question:

Are these guys liars, or just fools?

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-12-05 10:27:51

Or liars and fools living in a twisted symbiotic relationship?

 
Comment by Dave of the North
2009-12-05 11:23:33

I’ll take Door # 3.

“Or both”

 
Comment by measton
2009-12-05 11:30:09

I’ll say a. Liars

They knew what they were doing. We know that Paulson converted all his GS stock to treasuries, we know that Mozillo sold his stock in country wide all the while pumping it. We know that one of the FED officials bought 50,000 shares of GS before the bailout. I’d really like to see how all the others in this circle had their money invested.

 
 
Comment by CentralCoastDude
2009-12-05 11:38:01

I sold in 03 a property I had since 89 for a big profit, bought in 03, sold for a big profit in 05, bought in 05 sold for a big profit in 09 and I saw the bubble the entire way, but a sucker is born every minute. Sometimes it is good to just play along and laugh all the way to the bank. I am now renting in CA waiting for the bottom.

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Comment by apollo
2009-12-05 11:40:47

Ditto, and I’m clearly not as smart as Mr. Bernanke. I don’t think he missed it at all, he was just pretending not to see it.

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Comment by CA renter
2009-12-05 16:43:51

Exactly.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 18:51:02

Bernanke: There’s No Housing Bubble to Go Bust

By Nell Henderson
Washington Post Staff Writer

 
 
 
 
Comment by SUGuy
2009-12-05 07:40:12

Look at Bens past performance. This is a clear indication of his future performance. A leopard does not change its spots. What you see is what you get.

I say fire the bast*rd.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-05 08:04:04

Has Bernanke ever even had a real job? I wouldn’t trust him to make change for a $20.

Comment by DennisN
2009-12-05 11:13:10

You can get change back from a $20?

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Comment by Jim A.
2009-12-05 09:44:04

Well it’s certainly the case that MOST of the over inflation of the RE market happened under his predecessor, Greenspan. While I’m not sanguine about Bernake’s actions, He DOES seem to realize the seriousness of the problem, something that many who regarded this as a run-of the mill postwar recession have been slow to realize.

Comment by az_lender
2009-12-05 10:36:14

Release of Fed transcripts show that Bernanke’s role in the Greenspan Fed was oriented towards “accommodation,” not restraint.

 
 
Comment by Jerry
2009-12-05 12:34:12

But the Goldman’s Sacks, Wall St boys, banks bonus, didn’t miss! They “all’ will have a very good Christmas.

 
Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2009-12-05 15:35:09

Greenspan and Rubin, and then Greenspan and Paulson are the architects of the housing and financial crashes. Bernake slipped in at the last minute to take the fall after GS resigned with great timing. Pathetic our leadership is suggesting this new guy on the block was in a position of power to fundamentally change everything after decades of Greenspan and an already established Paulson. What a cop out.

 
 
Comment by chilidoggg
2009-12-04 23:22:59

First! A day ahead even!

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-04 23:30:36

Sorry…

 
Comment by Eau Claire Dude AKA Fresno Dude
2009-12-05 06:57:48

What happened was Professor Bear had a link to another web site so that delayed his post. You posted, but he was in there ahead of you.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-05 10:53:45

The Feds from Greenspan to BB didn’t make the right moves ,no question ,but look at the big machine that was driving the mania .
Could the Feds really control the unregulated markets at that point without raising the interest rates to 15% over night ? Watch Frontlines Documentary called “The Warning “, on your computer
and you will see how Greenspan and his sidekicks and the Politicians stopped regulations of those markets .

I guess I have never seen a mania this huge in which even the mainstream media was rah rah rahing for it . Did Greenspan and
BB know that the loans weren’t even being underwritten and fraud was rampant ? They should of seen it ,they should of questioned it ,they should of known that the prices were far beyond American
ability to afford the prices and than questioned how they were getting into loans (often times money coming from the unregulated markets ) The regulators failed ,the REIC if anything
promoted the fraudulent markets and we all know the CDO’s were not rated properly . It just shows you the power of Wall Street .

The point is that Wall Street has a lot of unregulated Casino games that they play that revolve around the real estate market and other assets .They involve unregulated leverage and all kinds of games that create a
risk for the regulated markets .These markets are still operational
and because of the bail-outs not a lot of exposure has taken
place regarding these high risk ,highly leveraged ,casino games .

So what good is it if you have a regulated Bank and they end
playing in the unregulated Gambling Casinos ? This is where you get a situation in which a insurance company like AIG ends up getting bailed out so they could pay their casino bets .

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 14:50:41

So what you are suggesting in short, then, is that BB should be reappointed and the Fed’s regulatory responsibilities should be increased?

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-05 21:49:12

opposite PB . The whole Casino needs to be busted and stiff regulations brought backs ,including Glass-Steagall

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-04 23:24:55

* The Wall Street Journal
* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* DECEMBER 4, 2009

The Bernanke Record
Will he repeat the mistakes of his four years?

The real problem is Mr. Bernanke’s record before the panic, with its troubling implications for a second four years. When George W. Bush nominated the Princeton economist four years ago, we offered the backhanded compliment that at least he’d have to clean up the mess that the Alan Greenspan Fed had made. That mess turned out to be bigger than even we thought, but we also didn’t know then how complicit Mr. Bernanke was in Mr. Greenspan’s monetary decisions.

Now we do, thanks to the release of the Federal Open Market Committee transcripts from 2003. They show (see “Bernanke at the Creation,” June 23, 2009) that Mr. Bernanke was the intellectual architect of the decision to keep monetary policy exceptionally easy for far too long as the economy grew rapidly from 2003-2005. He imagined a “deflation” that never occurred, ignored the asset bubbles in commodities and housing, dismissed concerns about dollar weakness, and in the process stoked the credit mania that led to the financial panic.

The Fed chairman has shown he knows how to ease money, and creatively so. But that is the easy part of his job. The hard part, the time when central bankers earn their fame, is when they have to take the money away. We see little in the chairman’s policy history or guideposts to suggest he will be willing to endure the criticism that will come with tightening money amid a lackluster recovery, if that is what is required to protect the dollar or prevent an inflation outbreak.

The political irony today is that even as Mr. Bernanke is cruising toward confirmation, the Fed as an institution is under its most sustained political attack in two generations. The political class is especially riled about the Fed’s forays into fiscal policy. While that is understandable given the last year, the response to this action should not be to put the Fed under even greater political control from Congress. That is the Argentinian solution.

The better response is to hold policy makers accountable for their actions, including chairmen of the Federal Reserve. At this monetary moment more than any since the late 1970s, the Fed needs a hard-money chairman with the courage and credibility to resist the temptation to escape from the consequences of the last bubble by floating another one.

Comment by CA renter
2009-12-05 04:58:04

Couldn’t agree more…though I’d love to see a very transparent central bank. We need somebody to oversee the Fed. Somebody who does not have any conflicts of interest.

Who could do such a job? (outside of the obvious answer: we at the HBB!). ;)

Comment by mikey
2009-12-05 08:02:02

Wisconsin’s largest bank is downgraded by Moody’s for bad in and out of state RE loans.

Moody’s downgrades Marshall & Ilsley ratings
By Paul Gores of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: Dec. 4, 2009

Moody’s Investors Service said Friday it has downgraded the ratings of Marshall & Ilsley Corp. and its subsidiaries.

Moody’s said the downgrade reflects its view that Milwaukee-based M&I faces “sizable” credit losses throughout 2010 from real estate loans.

Moody’s said it expects that the loan losses will be large enough to prevent M&I from returning to profitability in the near term.

However, Moody’s said, the impact of the potential losses is mitigated by M&I’s recently raising $863 million in capital.

“In addition to strengthening its capital base in the face of additional credit losses, the capital raise represents a vote of confidence in M&I’s future,” Moody’s said

Most of the ratings were lowered by one notch. M&I was lowered to a Baa1 rating from A3 for senior debt.

Lower debt ratings increase borrowing costs for companies.

M&I’s ratings were placed on review for possible downgrade by Moody’s Sept. 15.

Moody’s said that in spite of the downgrades, its M&I ratings “continue to reflect its strong direct banking franchise in Wisconsin, where it enjoys significant market share, and its solid wealth management

Wow Ben…it looks like the 1.7 Billion in Taxpayer money they got isn’t producing many green shoots for them with their Arizona Loans.

We need more money and more manure here people, lots and lots of money and manure as We Are Too Big To Fail !

bhttp://tinyurl.com/ybrdf3s

Comment by Carlos4
2009-12-05 11:35:29

Just a prelude to more taxpayer bailouts. Like the two billion++ dollar hole here in Ohio this week end with the failure of one of our biggest, Amtrust. Guess they werent too trusty.

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Comment by Eau Claire Dude AKA Fresno Dude
2009-12-05 14:33:21

WHAT! That’s my bank, and they gave me the loan on my new house

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Comment by combotechie
2009-12-05 07:20:55

“He imagined a deflation that never occured …”

Uh, what word should one use to describe the massive destruction of money due to collapsing housing prices if it isn’t deflation?

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-05 07:35:11

collateral damage

Comment by combotechie
2009-12-05 07:40:52

That’s two words.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-05 08:43:18

decollateralizationhammerung

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 08:52:45

Götterdämmerung

 
Comment by rms
2009-12-05 09:35:43

LMAO!

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-05 10:01:52

farfrumimproven.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-12-05 11:15:36

Collateral damage once refered to the accidental killing of civilians. It could just as well refer nowadays to the lowering of the collateral value of housing.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-05 11:52:09

It takes the edge off to have your jokes explained.

 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-12-05 15:30:58

It still refers to the “civilians”

Civilians = J6P and residents of “Main Street”.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 11:20:34

afwikkeling

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 14:52:03

aflusterclucking

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 08:41:11

deleveraging

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-04 23:35:11

First thought when I read the story title: This guy’s day job must be in banking.

* The Wall Street Journal
* BUSINESS
* DECEMBER 5, 2009

The Gambler Who Blew $127 Million

Terrance Watanabe, 52, is believed to have the biggest losing streak in Las Vegas history, losing $112 million dollars in one year. Mr. Watanabe, who now lives in the Bay Area, stands near the entrance to Stanford University on Dec. 3, 2009.

By ALEXANDRA BERZON

LAS VEGAS — During a year-long gambling binge at the Caesars Palace and Rio casinos in 2007, Terrance Watanabe managed to lose nearly $127 million.

The run is believed to be one of the biggest losing streaks by an individual in Las Vegas history. It devoured much of Mr. Watanabe’s personal fortune, he says, which he built up over more than two decades running his family’s party-favor import business in Omaha, Neb. It also benefitted the two casinos’ parent company, Harrah’s Entertainment Inc., which derived about 5.6% of its Las Vegas gambling revenue from Mr. Watanabe that year.

Today, Mr. Watanabe and Harrah’s are fighting over another issue: whether the casino company bears some of the responsibility for his losses.

Comment by CA renter
2009-12-05 04:59:49

Wow. We’re all in the wrong business. Party favors????

Crazy story.

 
Comment by combotechie
2009-12-05 07:34:35

“… casino staff routinely plied him with liquor and pain medication as part of a systematic plan to keep him gambling.”

What a revelation! Vegas gives out free drinks so customers will get ripped and lose more money when they gamble.

What’s that saying?: The most expensive drinks you will ever consume are the FREE ONES at Vegas.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 08:37:55

“… casino staff routinely plied him with liquor and pain medication as part of a systematic plan to keep him gambling.”

Isn’t that closely analogous to how hair-of-the-dog housing stimulus works — Ply rubes* with easy money loans (low interest rates, low downpayment, easy terms) as part of a systematic plan to get them to gamble on purchasing homes they cannot afford?

* rube /rub/
Spelled Pronunciation [roob]
–noun Informal.
an unsophisticated person from a rural area; hick.
Origin: 1895–1900; generic use of Rube; cf. earlier use of Reuben in same sense

Comment by VegasBob
2009-12-06 00:41:32

I worked in gaming for years. The purpose of free liquor is to deaden the pain gamblers feel as they are being separated from their money. It is that simple.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 09:18:31

“Mr. Watanabe”

My eyes see the letters… but my mind keeps translating:

“Mr.Wantabe” …as in “somebody” ;-)

Comment by az_lender
2009-12-05 10:39:10

you beat me to it. Terence Wannabe.

 
 
Comment by fecaltime!
2009-12-05 10:32:52

Although this addicted idiot is at fault for his outrageously heavy gambling, I do think Harrahs is somewhat culpable for allowing him to continue to gamble while oblitarated. They run those stupid commercials talking about how much “THEY CARE” and then they enable this idiot to blow millions after he is toasted.

Fecaltime!

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-12-05 11:10:34

“whether the casino bears some of the responsibility for his losses.” Boo hoo Watanube. You have no case against the casino. Even a high school student knows the odds favor the casino. Jerk!

Comment by DennisN
2009-12-05 11:26:56

HS students know the odds favor the casino. College students calculate the exact odds. MBA students learn how to set up a casino.

“Have you tried 22 tonight?”

“Is this place honest?”

“As honest as the day is long!” ;)

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-12-05 12:07:30

Cue up the tiniest violin in all the land for this ignoramus. Look in the mirror, and accept responsibility for your own personal failings you miserable waste of skin!

 
Comment by measton
2009-12-05 12:37:53

I can see Mr. Wantabe’s confusion. After watching the Wall Street gamblers get bailed out, I’m sure he is thinking why no me.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 14:53:08

He Watanabe bailed out.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-04 23:39:00

Updated December 03, 2009
Bunning Blisters ‘Moral Hazard’ Bernanke at Confirmation Hearing

FOXNews dot com

Ben Bernanke, seeking Senate approval for a second term as head of the Federal Reserve, faced withering criticism Thursday from a Republican senator who called him a “moral hazard” and said he should be sent back to Princeton.

Comment by GH
2009-12-05 09:09:24

Perhaps the Fed’s role needs to change with the times. It seems to have become an enabler of bad banking decisions and just plain wrong monetary policy.

The Fed has actively attempted to suppress inflation over the last 30 years, but as the law of unintended consequences would have it, our economy bulged like a giant pressure cooker, blowing out one giant bubble after another …

Now we face a choice. Deflation in which virtually all retirees are stiffed as the money they were promised goes bye bye … Or … Massive inflation, in which they get the money promised, it just wont buy much.

I am inclined towards inflation at this point, as US wages are forced down to compete with cheap offshore labor, and there seems to be little opportunity for wage inflation to occur. Thus, it is my belief we will see massive municipal defaults even States as large as CA are already buckling under the weight of their retirement commitments. This does not bode well for long term housing prices being held high, and there may be very little that can be done at a policy level short of literal helicopter cash drops which will help.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-12-05 10:43:55

The more you actively strive to manage that which cannot be managed (the economic behavior of 350 million or maybe of 6 billion people), the more blame you will receive when it doesn’t all pan out perfectly.

 
Comment by Beer and Cigar Guy
2009-12-05 17:48:50

Ohhhhhhhh… Who is good with Photoshop!?! I can see it now, Big Ben and Lil’ Timmy: The Dukes of Moral Hazard!! Their vehicle can be a gold-plated Brinks truck with blingy FEDRZRV vanity plates. They go from investment bank to investment bank, staving off crises by giving bankers huge bales of freshly-printed money. They constantly dodge their arch enemy, Ron Paul. The part of Boss Hogg will be played by Barney Frank.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 20:32:33

lol

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
Comment by CA renter
2009-12-05 05:05:08

Love those videos! :)

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-05 11:04:11

LMFAO………….

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 05:43:55

I’ve known Lenny Krawcheck for years, I’ll bet if you ask his daughter Sallie she’d say… Damn it feels good to be a banka!

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 09:26:34

Beautiful Mr. Bear! ;-)

I didn’t now there was such “cultural diversity” in the upper echelons of the “banking industry”…I thought that pretty much all looked like that guy hang’in on the wall behind those three guys with the cool dance moves! :-)

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 11:13:07

I had to pay a price for that post: Wifey yelled at me when she caught me ‘listening to rap music’ without so much as paying a lick of attention to the lyrics.

Rap is not very popular in our household, which is heavily populated with classical music snobs.

Comment by CA renter
2009-12-06 03:46:32

No offense, PB, but I just cannot see you in a pimped-out ride thumpin’ your music. I just can’t. ;)

(Agree with your wife about the rap music, BTW.)

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-04 23:48:59

Les Leopold

Author of “The Looting of America”
Posted: December 4, 2009 06:12 AM

Jobs and Justice: Tie Wall Street Profits and Bonuses to the Unemployment Rate

Comment by az_lender
2009-12-05 10:48:04

Has some emotional appeal, but like every other legislated intervention, it would be perverted by politically-connected persons.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-12-05 15:19:14

Perverted?

This is nothing but some feel good claptrap for the rubes that is DOA.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-04 23:51:03

Geithner Blasts Bank Bonuses

The Treasury Secretary says banks wouldn’t have survived without federal aid and need tie execs’ pay to long-term goals

By Robert Schmidt

(Bloomberg)—Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner criticized the record bonuses set to be paid by big banks this year and refuted claims by Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) that it would have survived without government aid.

Taking aim at what he called “an era of irresponsibly high bonuses,” Geithner said all banks—even those that have repaid government aid—need to restrain the amount they pay their leaders and tie compensation to long-term goals.

“We want to see fundamental constraints on how senior executives are paid at these institutions,” Geithner said in an interview today for Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital With Al Hunt,” that will air today and through the weekend. “It is very important that we change the way these executives are paid, the form of compensation, this year.”

Comment by oxide
2009-12-05 07:33:53

God, this is worse than Obama’s speech yesterday, when Obama addressed “The taxpayer was there when you were in trouble, now it’s time for you to step up and do your part and create jobs…” or whatever the heck. Yeah right. You do business a favor, they take it to the bank and hide it, usually without even saying thank you. They’ve been doing that since the pyramids.

As for Geithner…look, quick treating symptoms of the malaise. Let the banks fly on their own wings: no more goodies from the discount window, no more TARP-y poo, no more insurance from AIG, no more punch bowl. Oh, and just for fun, set up a public option bank just for end-user checking accounts and savings accounts, unlimited FDIC. And wait for the banks to come groveling. I for one will enjoy every minute of it.

Comment by CA renter
2009-12-06 03:48:06

Oh, and just for fun, set up a public option bank just for end-user checking accounts and savings accounts, unlimited FDIC. And wait for the banks to come groveling. I for one will enjoy every minute of it.

Love it!

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-05 11:29:33

Timonthy Geithner would be more accurate if he said that the WALL STREET unregulated markets would not have survived and certain Insurance Companies or credit default betters would not of survived without the bailouts .

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-04 23:52:20

BUST THE TOO-BIG-TO-FAIL TRUSTS!!!

Geithner Disputes Goldman Sachs Claims It Didn’t Need U.S. Help

By Rich Miller and Christine Harper

Dec. 5 (Bloomberg) — Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner disputed claims by Goldman Sachs Group Inc. executives that the bank could have survived the financial crisis without government help and said it and other Wall Street firms should show some restraint in handing out bonuses this year.

“It is very important that we change the way these executives are paid, the form of compensation, this year,” Geithner said in an interview yesterday for Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt,” which is being aired throughout the weekend. “We have to end that era of irresponsibly high bonuses.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-04 23:57:11

Fed’s Plosser Sees Need for Consistent Bailout Policy (Update1)
By Steve Matthews

Dec. 4 (Bloomberg) — Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia President Charles Plosser said the U.S. needs a “consistent” policy for bailing out troubled financial firms after efforts to end the credit crisis worsened the “too big to fail” problem.

No firm ought to be too big to fail,” Plosser said today in remarks prepared for a speech in Philadelphia. “Not only does the too-big-to-fail badge generate moral hazard at these institutions, it also creates powerful incentives for other institutions to become large and complex and take risks at taxpayers’ expense.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-05 11:35:23

No Casino should be able to affect regulated markets and regulated markets should not be allowed to play in Casinos that are TO BIG TO FALL. It’s the unregulated highly leveraged Casino with their bogus Casino games that was to big to fall ,not necessary any single entity .

 
 
Comment by socalserf
2009-12-05 01:50:09

(apologies to U2– riffing on a thread from yesterday’s HBB)

I want to run
I want to hide
I want to just walk away
If I can’t refi
So far underwater
I can’t see the sky
Where the fish have no eyes

I want to mail
Just mail in the keys
So what if my FICO drops below
A hundred and three
I can’t just go on
With this debt so outsized
Where the fish have no eyes

Where the fish have no eyes
Where the fish have no eyes
Seeing so many
Burning down lives
Burning down lives
Oh, and I see that
There are so many of you
We’re totally screwed

Tax dollars aflood
After boom turns to bust
Just one final orgy of greed
In an empire of dust
And soon the whole nation
Will find it resides
Where the fish have no eyes

Where the fish have no eyes
Where the fish have no eyes
Instead of building
We’re burning down lives
Burning down lives
Oh, now I fear that
I will also be there too
We’re totally screwed

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 05:14:12

That’s awesome! Now where is the link to your Youtube video? Come on — fess up…

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-12-05 07:28:53

That’s a keeper!

Maybe Bono can do a USA Famine Relief Tour and open with it.

 
Comment by technovelist
2009-12-05 16:48:36

I second the awesomeness! What’s the name of the original song, by the way?

Comment by socalserf
2009-12-05 21:32:21

where the streets have no name

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2009-12-05 23:21:53

Just. Excellent!

 
 
Comment by Leaving Ohio
2009-12-05 02:55:08

FDIC Friday… this is the biggest for Ohio since National City went bye-bye.

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Cleveland-based AmTrust Bank, with 66 branches and roughly $8 billion in deposits, was closed by regulators Friday, as the ongoing credit crunch continued to claim victims.

Three smaller banks in Georgia, an Illinois-based bank and a Virginia bank were also shuttered, bringing the 2009 total to 130.

Comment by Leaving Ohio
2009-12-05 05:19:52

Longer story with more details here:

CLEVELAND, Ohio — AmTrust Bank, which opened with one office on Valentine’s Day 120 years ago and grew to one of the nation’s 100 largest banks, was seized by federal regulators Friday and bought by New York Community Bank of Westbury, N.Y.

http://www DOT cleveland.com/business/index.ssf/2009/12/amtrust_bank_fails_bought_by_n.html

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-12-05 07:35:06

Total of six banks were shuttered on Friday, bringing the year long total to 130.

As a reminder, a bank was closed on June 25, 2004, and the next was not shuttered until February 2, 2007, a span of 952 days, an average of one bank every 476 days.

Meanwhile, in the 337 days of 2009 so far we’ve had 130 failures, for a rate of one bank every 2.6 days. A bank is failing every 62 hours in the US right now.

Comment by Eddie
2009-12-05 07:46:04

OH MY GOD!! 130 banks failed in 2009. Man that has to be some kind of record or something. This is definite proof the world is about to end. Buy gold, buy guns, buy ammo.

Oh wait a minute. In 1990 there were over 500 failures. And the number was above 130 for every year between 1985 and 1992.

How about a little perspective with your hyperventilating?

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Comment by tresho
2009-12-05 08:05:22

How about a little perspective with your hyperventilating? Ok, how many banks are actually insolvent now?

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-05 08:09:58

Funny, i don’t recall a $trillion bailout and zero percent interest rates during the ‘90 recession. Does an apple taste at all like an orange to you, Eddie?

 
Comment by Eddie
2009-12-05 08:19:28

You don’t recall the S&L bailout?

You can spin as much as you want. Fact is the bank failure rate is 20% of what it was in 1990. Yet you all act like today it’s some kind of unprecedented situation.

Unemployment is lower than in the 81-82 recession, banks are failing at lower rates than the 90-92 recession.

Face it folks, this imaginary depression you’re all living was just a run of the mill recession that is history.

 
Comment by Eddie
2009-12-05 08:26:20

S&L bailout: cost $500B in 1990. This is the equivalent of $800B give or take in today’s dollars. Which is just what the TARP was.

The more things change…..

I’m sure you were all screaming about the death of the dollar in the early 90s too and the evil banksters and whatever boogeymen hide under your beds at night.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-05 08:41:51

So we do agree, Eddie. TARP was the equivalent of the enitire S&L bailout. Well, my friend, TARP is the tip of the iceberg in this round of bailouts. The $800B stimulus within two months of TARP being just one. FED and UST direct purchase of worthless crap ranging from MBS to candy wrappers that is so large and ambiguous that nobody can keep track of it could be thrown in. The most compelling though, Eddie, is that it aint over yet. Not even close. If you don’t agree then you are an even bigger fool than your predictably bullish and inane comments imply

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 08:51:26

“You can spin as much as you want.”

Said by a pro.

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-12-05 09:08:44

“I’m sure you were all screaming about the death of the dollar in the early 90s too and the evil banksters and whatever boogeymen hide under your beds at night.”

In the early 90’s I may still have occasionally imagined there to be boogeyman under my bed. Since this is the first recession/depression I have lived through, what should I do Eddie, go out and buy a house before I am priced out again?

Put it in simple terms for a young guy with a growing family. Instead of trolling, help a guy out here…

 
Comment by Bad Chile
2009-12-05 09:10:43

There were also over twice as many banks recognized by the FDIC in 1990 than there are in 2009.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 09:44:56

“…Ok, how many banks are actually insolvent now?”

ziiiiiiiiiiiiinggggggggggggggggggggg….. (exeter™)

Daffy: “Hey Bugsy, Haskel wants to know how many banks are really insolvent.”
Bugs: “eh, don’t tell’em Daffy, the Warner Brothers say it’s TOP SECRET!”
(psst, I’ll never tell)

rotflmao… ;-)

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-12-05 09:54:13

Well the real question isn’t the number, but the capitalization of the closed banks. One WaMu equals a bunch of East Fargo Savings and Loan and Storm Door companys. The problem is that we haven’t yet seen how many medium sized banks will be dragged down by the current collapse in CRE.

 
Comment by az_lender
2009-12-05 10:53:42

excellent point(s)

 
Comment by socalserf
2009-12-05 22:16:37

to add some data to the mix
(http://www2.fdic.gov/hsob/SelectRpt.asp?EntryTyp=30)

number of bank failures 1987-1993: 1858
peak no. of failures in a given year was 534 in 1989
total deposits (inflation adj): $822 M
deposits per bank failed (inflation adj): 443K

number of bank failures: 2007-Nov 20 2009: 152 and counting
total deposits: $325 M
deposits per bank failed: $2.3 M

It is true that we haven’t approached the peak rate of bank failures during the S&L crisis; however, it is also the case that the loss per bank is 5x as great in the current crisis

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2009-12-05 07:47:31

“A bank is failing every 62 hours in the US right now.”

A bank is RECOGNIZED as failed every 62 hours in the US right now.

If realistic accounting standards were being used banks would probably be recognized as failed every 62 seconds.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-05 11:23:13

OK you guys ,this is what the main problem is . Wall Street wants to gamble ,Wall Street wants to create money out of thin air … Wall Street like leverage ,Wall Street likes short term Casino games ….OK . If Wall street can have unregulated markets that mix with regulated markets ,than they rule the regulated markets .
This is why you have to bring back Glass-Steagall . Regulated banks were allowed to play in unregulated markets ,than reverse that . They don’t talk about this to much and they try to underplay why a Insurance Company got the biggest bail out
(they call it a loan ) in history .

Look at what they are trying to hide and you will get the answer .

 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-12-05 15:56:53

“….Wall Street wanted to print money out of thin air…..”

Which is what I’ve been trying to explain to people. Wall Street created paper money that was nominally denominated in dollars. The gullible loaned and spent this money like it was real money, until people stopped accepting it as tender. “Marking to Market” would have shown everyone what this paper was really worth.

But then, the Fed/government stepped in, and valued the paper at 1-1.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-12-05 15:39:17

I’m finding it hard to get solid data on the number of failures of both banks AND Savings & Loans during the S&L disaster, but it looks ROUGHLY like 1100 banks failed along with ~750 during an estimated period of (maybe) 1988-1991.

Sorry, but short of researching for a dissertation, I can’t seem to find anything more exact. So don’t make too much of the data although most sources are using those numbers. The fuzzy dates are irritating.

And the final taxpayer cost was, again, roughly $125B although the true cost to the economy was around $500B and a 2-3 year recession.

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Comment by ecofeco
2009-12-05 15:41:37

Dammit, that should read “…along with ~750 Savings & Loans…”

 
 
Comment by Leaving Ohio
2009-12-05 17:03:20

I live in Ohio, was born in Akron and have lived in Columbus, Cincinnati, now in Cleveland.

You have no idea how bad it is here unless you live here.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 03:49:13

Plundering California.
Public-sector unions have brought the state to its knees.
Steven Greenhut

The economy is struggling, the unemployment rate is high, and many Americans are struggling to pay the bills, but one class of Americans is doing quite well: government workers. Their pay levels are soaring, they enjoy unmatched benefits, and they remain largely immune from layoffs, except for some overly publicized cutbacks around the margins. To make matters worse, government employees—thanks largely to the power of their unions—have carved out special protections that exempt them from many of the rules that other working Americans must live by. California has been on the cutting edge of this dangerous trend, which has essentially turned government employees into a special class of citizens.

When I recently appeared on Glenn Beck’s TV show to discuss California’s dreadful fiscal situation, I mentioned that in Orange County, where I had been a columnist for the Orange County Register, the average pay and benefits package for firefighters was $175,000 per year. After the show, I heard from viewers who couldn’t believe the figure, but it’s true. Firefighters, like all public-safety officials in California, also receive a gold-plated retirement plan: a defined-benefit annual pension that offers 90 percent or more of the worker’s final year’s pay, guaranteed for the rest of his life (and the life of his spouse).

http://www.city-journal.org/2009/eon1123sg.html

Comment by Muggy
2009-12-05 05:02:23

“(and the life of his spouse)”

That is crazy.

Comment by WHYoung
2009-12-05 05:44:17

Most of the “old fashioned” pension plans our parents generation has provided spousal benefits.

Comment by Muggy
2009-12-05 05:56:28

“Most of the “old fashioned” pension plans our parents generation has provided spousal benefits.”

That is crazy.

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Comment by WHYoung
2009-12-05 07:34:41

Why?

 
Comment by arizonadude
2009-12-05 08:19:22

You basically cannot fire a state worker.As long as they show up to work they are fine.Productivity is about 25% of the avg worker.

 
Comment by WHYoung
2009-12-05 08:48:03

The topic of state workers is separate from the issue of spousal benefits…

For my dad’s (corporate) pension, they had to accept a smaller monthly benefit when he retired so mom would continue to get pension after he died. (based on her life expectancy since she was younger.)

Don’t have a fully conclusive opinion of spousal benefits, interested to hear other facts & opinions.

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-12-05 08:51:06

It’s crazy because this speaks directly to the coming “entitlement crisis.” I understand healthcare, but why should a taxpayer pay for single person who is not, and never was, directly employed?

That is crazy, and I am a public employee.

 
Comment by WHYoung
2009-12-05 09:46:26

“I understand healthcare, but why should a taxpayer pay for single person who is not, and never was, directly employed?”

Not a “single person” but a spouse?

These forms of pensions originated in the days of a primary wage earner and stay-at-home spouse. Ask your grandma if she could’ve lived decently without it.

Those over 65 get medicare, the lucky ones get medicare supplements from former employers. And why do you think a spouse should be able to get health care via partner?

Any yes, I believe this is part of why companies jumped on the 401K bandwagon.

Don’t disagree about an “coming entitlement crisis” and not arguing that these govt. pensions aren’t excessive, but still a separate issue from spouses benefits.

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-12-05 09:52:31

“Not a “single person” but a spouse?”

Doesn’t a spouse become single when their partner is dead? Am I missing something?

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-12-05 09:52:57

Muggy:

Back in the day my mom never worked full-time outside the home, sure she had part time jobs it was mostly during the day when we were in school…little factory jobs. lots of moms did it…

So the pensions were set up to help the “non working” spouse

Its long overdue for a radical change

 
Comment by WHYoung
2009-12-05 09:56:07

Yes, widow and widowers, a part of a “marriage” which is a uniquely privileged partnership in our society.

Why do you think gays don’t find civil partnerships to be enough?
(not to start another topic…)

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-12-05 09:57:23

Keep in mind that in that many women who married in the 50s never had enough quarters to qualify for social security in their own names.

 
Comment by WHYoung
2009-12-05 10:10:45

And widows (and divorced wives from long term marriages) can get social security based on spouses earnings.

 
Comment by Dave of the North
2009-12-05 11:45:33

It shouldn’t really matter to anyone outside of the pension plan what benefits a Defined Benefit plan has - as long as it is properly funded to meet those benefits. The problem with these government employee pension is that they aren’t often properly funded …

My wife’s pension has a surviving spouse benefit. I forgot how much it is or how long it is available. Even though it is a defined benefit pension plan, she contributed 50% to it over the years. She worked as a teacher. Pension plan is in great shape, compared to many others.

My own pension plan is also defined benefit, but I don’t have to contribute to it, at least not now. (I’m not retired and I work in the private sector). It also has a surviving spouse benefit.

As an aside, when I started with the company, it was a defined benefit plan, then we had the opportunity to convert to a defined contribution plan, to which I contributed 50%. At the same time, new employees could only join a DC plan. Five years ago, after a strike by our union, one of things they got in the settlement was the right to come back to the DB plan. I’m non-union, but we also got the option to come back. So I moved back to the DB plan. It’s underfunded like many others so the company has been making special payments into it.

The DC plan also had a surviving spouse benefit (it has to, because it essentially your own money in the plan). Or if you didn’t have a spouse, it went to your estate.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-05 11:53:28

If the Politicians had not allowed the Corporations to underfund their pension accounts , with the taxpayers actually providing a back up with that Insurance fund that was underfunded ,than the issue would of come up sooner and would have been addressed .its all about welfare to the Corporations .Don’t talk to me about a free market system and Corporations pay to high taxes.

Big Business gets the Politicians to pass laws that do not really solve the problem ,but simply serve to use the taxpayers to cover the risk of the Corporations obligations . In light of the fact that the taxpayer is so needed for Corporations to function ,than it would seem they have a obligation to the taxpayer.

 
 
 
Comment by fecaltime!
2009-12-05 10:41:57

I know a teacher who married a gal 22 years younger than himself, when he kicks the bucket his wife will be collecting 90% of his inflation adjusted final salary for decades. He retired at 69 years old and probably has another 15 years of life.

Fecaltime!

Comment by laurel, md
2009-12-05 13:49:09

This does not seem correct.
Say his retirement was $2,000mn, without spousal survivoir benefits. Most gov plans worked something like the following. If he selected survivoir benefits his pension would be reduced by some percentage, say 15%…..so his pension would then would be $1,700mn. When he dies the surviving spouse would get some percentage of the $1,700, say 90% (some plans were as low as 50%) of the $1,700 = $1,530.

Old style gov pensions were based on the average of the highest 3 or 5 years basic salary X the number of years worked X a factor. Some plans max out at some percentage say 60%.

My wife is a teacher in MD, soon facing retirement. She will be getting 26% pension for 16yr-9mn of service. There have been no step increases or raises for 2 years now…next year will be the same.

By the way she loves her job!

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Comment by Dave of the North
2009-12-05 15:23:41

In my DB plan (when I got back into it), the spouse I had then (which is the same one I have now :-) ) had to be named as the spousal beneficiary (unless she agreed to be kept out), and I don’t think it can be changed. If we divorce, my wife would get a share of my pension benefit. A subsequent spouse would not benefit…

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Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-12-05 15:48:33

Being an old guy, I don’t think this is a problem…..how else is a regular J6P going to have a shot at a 20-30 year old “hottie”? :)

Dating most 40-50 year olds, is like either applying online for a job (and having to exactly match ALL the answers on the 100 question quiz), or picking out someone from the Jerry Springer/Maury Povich guest list.

JMO…….your experiences may differ.

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Comment by CA renter
2009-12-05 05:18:18

Not sure where he’s getting his info from.

Public employees in California have had their wages cut, benefits cut back, furloughs, and many have lost their jobs. I’ve not heard of a single municipality or state entity that is giving their employees raises.

BTW, can we stop harping on public sector workers? These people provide real services that enable everyone else to make a living and live in a civilized world. The sheeple are being distracted from what really matters: the financial industry (where people who do far less for society make far more money than police/firefighters/teachers).

If you want to scale back the number of people who work for the govt in California, you’ll have to fix our illegal immigrant problem (and the employees who hire them). I have yet to hear anyone mention this solution to our budgetary problems. The largest expenditures in the state of California are schools, prisons, and hospitals. In the schools and prisons, it’s estimated that about 40% of the students and prison inmates are illegal immigrants and/or their dependents.

Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 05:26:48

“If you want to scale back the number of people who work for the govt in California, you’ll have to fix our illegal immigrant problem (and the employees who hire them). I have yet to hear anyone mention this solution to our budgetary problems”.

Wouldn’t the folks you vote into office be the ones to address these issues?

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 05:50:56

BTW, can we stop harping on public sector workers?

Not sure anyone has “harped” on the public sector. Besides as long as the “public” is the group that ultimately back stops their pensions, then no.

The fact that someone chooses their profession in the employee of the taxpayer they are most certainly are open to scrutiny!

Comment by stpn2me
2009-12-05 07:29:02

BTW, can we stop harping on public sector workers?

As long as someone has a better lot in life or a better deal, there will be harping on them, IMHO.

We are engulfed in this country in class warfare.

As for the situation of labor in California, it’s a leading state in Socialism, what do you expect? Socialism creates nothing, so a govt that trumps it has nothing to offer except made up, inflated govt jobs. Case in point, what type of jobs has the administration created the most?

An economic turnaround isnt going to happen without the private sector…

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Comment by oxide
2009-12-05 07:46:11

If you know of any way to convince private sector to create jobs other than asking pretty please, maybe you should tell President Obama. He seems kinda lost at the moment.

I guess one thing to do would be to do something about the cost of health insurance for new (and older) employees, but we see where that’s going.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-05 08:02:04

I wonder Oxy, wouldn’t the cost of insurance go down if we did something about the cost of health care?

 
Comment by Eddie
2009-12-05 08:05:17

Wild ideas to get private sector to hire again:

1. End the nonsense with cap n trade.
2. Commit to keeping tax rates at their current levels (ie dont let the Bush cuts expire) in 2011 and 2012.
3. Allow accelerated depreciation for 2010 and 2011
4. Kill the damn Obamacare bill which will crush small businesses.

There is so much uncertainty right now over what will happen in the next 2-3 years that it’s impossible for companies plan ahead accurately. Will taxes rise? Will there be a new 8% health care tax? Will cap n tax mean higher energy costs? Will FICA taxes increase? As an employer you cannot forecast anything past the next 2 weeks because everything is up in the air. And when there is uncertainty, businesses don’t go into expansion mode.

I know it’s not as exciting as spending another $500B on Porkulus II and creating or saving jobs in phantom congressional districts. But it might actually work.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-12-05 08:11:08

Yeah, Skye, we can all go out and get ourselves swimmer’s bodies.

 
Comment by combotechie
2009-12-05 08:22:05

“…we can all go out and get ourselves swimmer’s bodies.”

I tried that I got arrested by the beach patrol.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-12-05 08:27:02

Tax cuts is BS and we all know it. What did big business do with their gift of tax cuts in 2001? For 8 years they pocketed the profit and sent the real jobs to China and India anyway. The only jobs left over were the millions of bubble jobs which are disappearing now. Big business had their chance and squandered it. Why should we give them more?

Point me to the cap’n'trade law — I said, LAW — which is stifling business.

Depreciation will make every bank instantly insolvent Chapter 7 when they value their toxics. Might not be a bad thing, except Main Street is still hostage.

The current patchwork health care system is already crushing small business.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-05 08:51:32

“Yeah, Skye, we can all go out and get ourselves swimmer’s bodies.”

Huh? How is that an argument against considering ways to reduce the cost of health care?

I think there is a parallel in the ways gov’t is dealing with housing and health care: Keep the price unreasonably high so that big business will thrive at the expense of the working stiff. Let the consumers pay for it.

I see no need for big private banks or big private insurance companies when the expenses are being nationalized.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-12-05 10:41:08

You need to up the sensitivity on your snark meter. :mrgreen:

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-05 11:06:27

Fair enough, and it’s been too cold to swim here for the last while.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-05 12:06:59

Blue Skye…If you look at all the monopolies and collusion and
price fixing actually that has come about because of favorable laws to Corporations and the Health Care Industry ,and combine it with outsourcing and global wage competition ,we are sunk
if this continues . The American people do not make enough money to support all the different special interest groups .

Even if in the past you agreed that BIg Business needed favorable laws from the government because they provided jobs ,you can no longer say that they have not betrayed their advantages by outsourcing and taking manufacturing from
America .

 
Comment by measton
2009-12-05 12:56:16

Yes this country is consumed by class warfare and the top 0.5% have manipulated the system to clean out the middle class. Their propaganda has created an army of vocal defenders who support the creature even as it gnaws on their liver.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-05 13:23:20

I like the way you put that Housing Wizard.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-12-05 16:04:49

HW is correct.

As I’ve often said, eventually the vector of rising prices has to cross the falling vector of real wages.

Remember, you now have to make $58,000 to equal a 1980 wage of $25,000. Minimum wage was 3.10. It would now have to be $8. That’s based on a VERY conservative 3% inflation per year.

Now run the numbers at a more realistic 4-6%. (at just 4% avg inflation per year, you would have to now be making $81,000. Min wage would be $10) Now extrapolate.

Get the picture? (and people wonder why I drink)

 
Comment by measton
2009-12-05 17:06:09

BINGO

Printing dollars to create inflation will only increase GDP when it doesn’t cause a fall in consumption. Until recently the American family was able to keep on spending due to several factors

1. Initially labor had bargaining power and increased wages and benefits.
2. People sent their wives off to work.
3. People burnt up savings
4. When all else failed people borrowed .

The fed is a one trick pony and this time all we will do is shift spending habits. The printing press will not be as effective. Now some think China will pick up the slack, but from what I hear only 8% have disposable income and I suspect as this number will shrink as the US consumer dies.

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-12-05 10:03:30

CA:

2 points I agree most public employees i have dealt with are good people, but have failed to realize just how good they have it today.

Yet they REFUSE to do the one thing that could eliminate furloughs layoffs, pay cuts etc….just make it easier to fire the bad workers. 3 bad reports 90 days and out…so the whole have to suffer for the few bad apples.

Illegals here again a off beat idea….Hey Mehiko we will take care of all your Illegals, just send us a billion barrels of oil FREE each year… and we’ll call it even

BTW, can we stop harping on public sector workers? These people provide real services that enable everyone else to make a living and live in a civilized world.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 10:08:31

CA renter: I whole-heartedly agree:
“…The sheeple are being distracted from what really matters: the financial industry (where people who do far less for society make far more money than police/firefighters/teachers)

“…I mentioned that in Orange County, the average pay and benefits package for firefighters was $175,000 per year.”

(Hwy wonders if this includes all the NEW big shiny “engines” & fancy SUV administration vehicles)

Could someone please provide the “details” on how their “workdays” are “structured”?

However, I stand by my previous post:

“…Strapped municipalities will face pressure to cut back on promised benefits.”

Police Officers = hero = cult
Firemen = hero = cult
Prison guards = unseen-hero = cult
City worker = semi-hero= cult
County worker = less-than-semi-hero = cult
State worker = special-less-than-semi-hero = cult
Federal worker = National hero = cult
There seems to be a CULTure of giving EXTRAordinary compensation to people who are hired by their CITIZENS to do what is basically an HOURLY JOB.

Comment by scdave
2009-12-05 10:26:01

+ 1 Hwy…

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 11:15:28

“Not sure where he’s getting his info from.”

Reasonable guess: He’s making sh!t up.

 
Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2009-12-05 16:20:59

I agree with CA renter. People’s anger is becoming very childlike in nature. Bernake, gov workers, insurance and wall street execs are the easy targets to vent frustration. Ultimately it is the Senate and Congress that have failed. They are the only ones with the collective power to make change - not some little bearded guy who was shoved in at the last minute after Greenspan’s fast exit. If you believe US public has influence over their Senators and Congress, then it is US citizenship failing.

Nobody said democracy and a sustainable economy was easy. Anybody seen even one plausible, well organized public march against all this?

Comment by ecofeco
2009-12-05 19:41:03

Yes, there have been plenty of protests and demonstrations. World wide as well. Ain’t getting much air time, are they? (had to Google for them)

Gee, I wonder why?

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Comment by ahansen
2009-12-05 23:37:40

“…If you want to scale back the number of people who work for the govt in California, you’ll have to fix our illegal immigrant problem (and the employees who hire them).”

Then who would the CA fire departments get to actually fight their wildfires?

Comment by CA renter
2009-12-06 04:04:29

Since when did fire departments hire illegal immigrants to fight wildfires? I’d really like to know the answer to that. I’m quite familiar with the fire service and have never heard of this practice.

The truth is: many brush fires are **caused** by illegal immigrants who live in the canyons and wildlands. Their fires (used for cooking and heat) get out of control and we get a brush fire.

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Comment by scdave
2009-12-05 10:15:43

has essentially turned government employees into a special class of citizens ??

Exactly… Government retiree’s are the new wealth class….Bullet proof guaranteed jobs, pension and benefits…And they are laughing all the way to the bank…I know…I play dice with them every Friday…That is when they are not on European cruises or vacationing in their home in Hawaii…

 
Comment by are they crazy
2009-12-05 11:59:56

Seems to me that this is really the huge difference now. Last generation didn’t have to save for college at the same time they saved for retirement and raised a family while helping the old folks out. Middle class had defined pension plans and healthcare. College was affordable and/or not necessary to provide a decent middle class life. No way to pay for it all now when real wages haven’t gone up nearly enough to pay for day to day living. Worst part is how it changed just too late for a lot of the younger boomers who lost pensions too late in life to save enough.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-12-05 16:17:40

Yep. See my above post in inflation.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-12-06 04:05:55

Precisely right, ATC. Why are we not hearing this in the MSM?

 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2009-12-05 19:02:41

Yes. If we can get rid of the outrageous state, and matching county and city pensions, that will be the silver lining in the California budget crisis.

Comment by robin
2009-12-06 03:04:32

One would hope that a private firm that offered 20 full-time jobs at $25 per hour plus full benefits and pension might well reconsider their offer if they had 2,000 qualified applicants. Maybe pare it back to $12 per hour with no benefits. Bad for the new employee but may allow the business to remain competitive.

Would and will never happen in the public sector. We all choose how we are willing to pay for services from the private sector, but we have little or no choice in servicing our debt to the bloated public sector. Very sad!

 
 
 
Comment by waiting_in_la
2009-12-05 04:14:15

Good morning, hbb!

Been a while since I’ve checked in. I hope that all of you are well.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 10:13:21

Come on in,…(you might want to steer away from the “tater salad” though…it’s been out for some time…) ;-)

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2009-12-05 04:44:15

They’re underwater, but they love their “home.”

http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/personalfinance/underwater-and-staying-even-more-than-money-its-about-home/1056509

They sound like fools, and this is yet another reminder of the joys of home rentership.

Comment by combotechie
2009-12-05 08:00:55

“They sound like fools…”

They should be encouraged to stay, encouraged to keep up with the payments. The banks (read: taxpayers) need the money, not the house.

Comment by Muggy
2009-12-05 08:58:30

I get you, man, but do they not sound completely stupid? They want to stay in this anchor because they “bought it together?” WTF!

Does this mean they go to Applebee’s (and you KNOW they “eat good in the neighborhood!”) and offer 2.5 the cost of the meal because they get the delight of “ordering something together?! Do they pony up a dollar for each stamp to send out holiday cards “together.”

I’m serious here, I nearly fell into the abyss this last week. At least I only bought a car. We’re all going to have to stay on each other about this nonsense, I’ve come too far to buy now, and this couple couldn’t have said something more ridiculous at a better time.

Comment by combotechie
2009-12-05 09:08:53

“… do they not sound completely stupid?”

“…I’ve come too far to buy now, and this couple couldn’t have said something more ridiculous at a better time.”

A Zen saying: When the student is ready the teacher will arrive.

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Comment by combotechie
2009-12-05 09:19:30

Er, it should be: “When the student is ready the teacher will APPEAR.”

Somebody has to pay the tuition for these lessons. Better them than you, no?

 
 
 
 
Comment by az_lender
2009-12-05 11:17:58

I can construct an argument for staying in an underwater house and continuing to pay. Part of it is, you are willing to rent this particular house at an above-market rate, because you feel at home there. (Yes, you are renting the money, not the house, but it amounts to the same thing.) Another part of it is, even if you admit, as she does, that a price recovery could be decades away, you are not SURE the price recovery will be decades away. So walking away would carry the additional risk of feeling priced out a second time. By staying, you don’t have to worry about the possibility that house prices will be reinflated.

The difference between these people and HBBer’s is, we are SURE prices will continue to decline and that inflation-adjusted prices will never recover. (Right?)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 04:55:10

This blind bastard has a lot of nerve…

U.S. Federal Reserve chief blames Brown for Britain’s economic woes
05th December 2009 ~ UK Mail

Damning verdict: Ben Bernanke says that decisions made my Gordon Brown when he was chancellor hurt Britain’s economy

Damning: Ben Bernanke says decisions made by Gordon Brown when he was chancellor have hurt Britain’s economy

Gordon Brown’s decision to strip the Bank of England of its supervisory role caused ‘major problems’ for the British economy, the head of the American Federal Reserve said yesterday.

Ben Bernanke - regarded by many as the world’s most powerful banker - claimed the UK was ill-prepared to deal with the crisis in the wake of decisions made by Mr Brown when he was chancellor.

In an extraordinary attack, Mr Bernanke said the Prime Minister’s measures - which included stripping the BoE of its powers to regulate banks - had been responsible for the ‘ destructive run’ on Northern Rock.

His comments will embarrass Mr Brown, who has refused to concede his decisions may have contributed to the economic crisis.

Mr Bernanke told the U.S. Senate: ‘The government of Britain removed from the Bank of England most of its supervisory authorities.

Comment by az_lender
2009-12-05 11:22:25

Did not know about Gordon Brown’s left-eye blindness until your post caused me to look around on the web. It does explain something about his appearance.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 05:23:11

Canada Added 79,100 Jobs, Five Times Expectations (Update3)

(Bloomberg) — Canadian employers added more than five times as many jobs as expected in November, led by education, manufacturing and finance, a sign of an accelerating economic recovery.

Employment rose by 79,100 last month, the most in more than a year, Statistics Canada said today in Ottawa. The jobless rate fell to 8.5 percent from October’s 8.6 percent. The median forecast of economists surveyed by Bloomberg was for a 15,000 increase in jobs and an unemployment rate of 8.6 percent.

Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney will probably reaffirm a commitment to keep his key lending rate at a record low 0.25 percent in a Dec. 8 interest rate announcement, economists say, to sustain the recovery after the country’s first recession since 1992 ended last quarter. Carney and Prime Minister Stephen Harper, who is budgeting a record deficit this year, have said the job market will take longer to recover than it did from past slumps.

“This certainly was a strong report, it probably overstates the strength of the economy,” Millan Mulraine, an economist at TD Securities in Toronto, said in a telephone interview. The Bank of Canada probably won’t alter a commitment to keep the key interest rate unchanged through June, because wage gains are fading and economic growth remains slow, he said.

The country has lost 321,000 jobs since employment peaked in October 2008.

Comment by Eddie
2009-12-05 07:51:07

Makes sense. When the US economy booms, Canada’s follows right along. One more sign that the recovery is real.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-05 08:05:55

If a person in a coma farted, I’m sure you would announce their recovery.

Comment by Eddie
2009-12-05 08:21:16

When jobs are lost you see doom and gloom. When jobs are created you see doom and gloom. See a pattern?

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-05 08:27:04

I’m a pretty liberal doomer, but I try to discern between artifical stimulis and fundamental recovery. When we are down millions of jobs and up a few thousand, I’m not a believer yet. Do the math.

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-12-05 10:05:20

As long as they’re raising Eddie’s taxes to pay for the GSR, then I’m all for it.

GSR = “government sponsored recovery”

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 10:17:21

‘…When jobs are lost you see doom and gloom. When jobs are created you see doom and gloom. See a pattern?”

Hey Haskell, ‘The Beave’s Mom wants to know if you’re done using that “Coming Soon” sign banner you took from the garage.

 
 
 
Comment by rosie
2009-12-05 10:16:34

Hardly booming. The fed gov’t here went from 14 billion surplus to 56 billion deficit in 18 months. My province went from 6 billion surplus to 26 billion deficit in the same period. Multiply by at least 10 to get U.S. equivalents.When the bills come due here, because unlike you we do have to cover our debts, our taxes are going to spike and our services are going to suffer. We are already getting the H.S.T. harmonized sales tax, of 13% on virtually everything next summer. Deficits do matter, especially in the rest of the world.Your country’s turn may come sooner or later,in the meantime buy gold.

Comment by scdave
2009-12-05 10:33:03

Rosie…Please don’t confuse ETeee with the facts okay…

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Comment by rosie
2009-12-05 10:49:11

Good point. Eddie I was wrong, Canada Rocks, streets paved with gold, a chicken in every pot. I was offered 6 jobs just yesterday, all over 250k no taxes and big bonuses and I don’t even have to show up. I feel much better now that I finally told the true facts. Thanks Eddie.

 
 
 
Comment by are they crazy
2009-12-05 12:11:40

I’ve been away a while. Who are you and why are you here? You seem to have distain for the general opinions here. It appears more than just disagreement on particular issues. Why so aggressive and hostile?

Comment by exeter
2009-12-05 17:24:31

Welcome him instead. Everybody needs an Eddiot.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 19:06:30

When the ocean heats up, ice melts and polar bears turn cannibalistic. One more sign that global warming is real.

Comment by robin
2009-12-06 03:19:16

If you found yourself locked inside a tanning booth complex for the weekend and had no food source other than the other trapped patrons, what would you do?

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Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 06:17:47

Builder, suburban dad - stickup man?
SF Chronicle December 5, 2009

His Alamo home, surrounded by redwood trees on a cul-de-sac, is worth $2.5 million. Inside, when he takes a break from running his construction business, Bennett can look out the window at Mount Diablo.

In the driveway, there’s a boat, not far from the pickup truck with the stickers for the Air Force Academy and National Rifle Association. Down at the airport, Bennett owns a plane.

But Thursday night, police say, officers found Bennett in the doorway of the Alamo Jewelry Mart, pointing a gun at his head and threatening to kill himself. He had already shot the store’s owner, police say, and the owner had managed to shoot Bennett as well.

Bennett and the owner, 53-year-old Oscar Herrera of Hercules, both ended up in the hospital in critical condition. Bennett is also under arrest, and police and acquaintances are trying to figure out whether what happened was a robbery gone bad, or something else.

Bennett had been suffering from financial problems, said Capt. Dan Terry of the Contra Costa County sheriff’s office, which patrols Alamo. “Whether that is the motive in this incident, we’re still trying to determine,” he said Friday.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/12/04/BA3P1AV10H.DTL&tsp=1#ixzz0YotdOWCV

Comment by ecofeco
2009-12-05 16:25:35

Hmm. Couldn’t sell the house. Couldn’t sell the airplane. Couldn’t sell the jewelry.

“Financial problems?” Don’t they mean “facing bankruptcy and repo’s?”

Gee, I wonder what happened? :lol:

Comment by dude
2009-12-05 19:19:21

You mean he couldn’t sell them for what he needed to pay off the loan. There is a price at which every market clears.

 
 
 
Comment by palmetto
2009-12-05 06:28:41

I just love the old Greek. He really gives a European perspective to the whole Dubaicle. I recall when 60 Minutes was just reverentially breathless in their interview with the Maktoum in Chief. You woulda thought he was the Second Coming. Turns out, England was bowing and scraping, too.

“Because that’s all the Dubai debacle ever was. A desert mirage fueled by greed and sold to suckers by tawny types whose ancestors used to sell flying carpets to dumb Englishmen with sunburnt noses, knees, and elbows.”

http://www.takimag.com/index.php/blogs/article/debacle_in_the_desert

Comment by az_lender
2009-12-05 11:29:06

I smiled when your old Greek called the Maktoum in Chief the “head towel.” But isn’t this a bit off, if the Maktoums were actually wearing top hats?

 
Comment by ahansen
2009-12-05 23:55:23

I’ve been wondering what happened to Taki for years! Thanks for this link, Palmy. He’s a racist arsehat, but he’s a wry racist arsehat.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 06:29:46

Obama Main Street tour reveals shocking ignorance!
Scott Ott ~ Examiner Columnist ~ December 4, 2009

Just hours before he started his “White House to Main Street” jobs tour with a visit to Lehigh County, Pa., President Obama reportedly told top advisers he was “shocked at the level of ignorance among the common people regarding what it takes to generate jobs,” according to unnamed aides.

The tour is billed as an opportunity to get the president out of the White House, where he’s been holed up for nearly a full working day, to mingle among the citizenry in order to “take the temperature on what Americans are experiencing during these challenging economic times.”

But even before Air Force One touched down at Lehigh Valley International Airport this morning, the president expressed dismay at the general lack of understanding of macroeconomics soon to be displayed by those he might meet in factories, shops and diners.

Although Obama recognizes that most communities “don’t have the benefit of the kind of intellectual firepower” with which he has surrounded himself at the White House, nevertheless he had “hoped business owners and workers would be better informed,” aides said.

“You would think that entrepreneurs and CEOs would realize the vital role the federal government plays in generating economic prosperity,” the president reportedly told his inner circle. “But instead they’ll probably prattle on about something called ‘free enterprise.’ I know now that I’ll have to spend a lot of time explaining that there’s no such thing as a free lunch, let alone a free enterprise. In this country, you have to make your money the old-fashioned way … by lobbying Congress to appropriate it, or writing memoirs and such.”

The president planned to discuss the subject over a complimentary midday meal at the Hamilton Family Restaurant near downtown Allentown, before boarding Air Force One to return to the White House, where he’ll create more jobs.

Comment by oxide
2009-12-05 07:52:04

wmbz, you’ve jumped the shark with this one.

Comment by tresho
2009-12-05 08:07:28

wmbz, you’ve jumped the shark with this one. I suggest you re-read his post, and this time note the source.

Comment by oxide
2009-12-05 08:15:27

I did. :grin: wmbz does a good job of pretending to be neutral, but with this he gave himself away totally, hence the shark.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 08:47:22

“wmbz does a good job of pretending to be neutral, but with this he gave himself away totally, hence the shark”.

“Neutral” to what? If you are referring to repub or dem then, I would guess being for neither party makes me neutral.

I have never understood blind party worship, but that is very common.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-12-05 10:26:08

“Neutral” to what? If you are referring to repub or dem then, I would guess being for neither party makes me neutral.

Lack of membership/belief in either major party doesn’t make one “neutral.”

I’ve been a politically active Independent since I turned 18, but that doesn’t make me neutral. (Though I suspect you wouldn’t claim to be neutral in this context, either.)

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 10:27:17

“..reportedly told top advisers he was… according to unnamed aides.”

I thought that something like that is consider a “TrueBeliever’s™ / TrueDeceiver’s ™” rumor in South Carolina. ;-)

Faux news = “TrueBeliever’s™ / TrueDeceiver’s ™” rumor mill

wmbz posts = getting close to the above…

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-12-05 11:39:38

Ott can be hit or miss but often can be really funny.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-12-05 16:41:26

Unfortunately, he’s right. If it weren’t for sheer dumb luck and enough money to paper over big mistakes, a lot of business owners I know would be OUT of business.

 
 
Comment by SUGuy
2009-12-05 07:29:38

Requiem for the Dollar

( Somewhere in NZ aladinsane is saying I told you so)

Ben S. Bernanke doesn’t know how lucky he is. Tongue-lashings from Bernie Sanders, the populist senator from Vermont, are one thing. The hangman’s noose is another. Section 19 of this country’s founding monetary legislation, the Coinage Act of 1792, prescribed the death penalty for any official who fraudulently debased the people’s money. Was the massive printing of dollar bills to lift Wall Street (and the rest of us, too) off the rocks last year a kind of fraud? If the U.S. Senate so determines, it may send Mr. Bernanke back home to Princeton. But not even Ron Paul, the Texas Republican sponsor of a bill to subject the Fed to periodic congressional audits, is calling for the Federal Reserve chairman’s head.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704342404574575761660481996.html

Comment by mariner22
2009-12-05 19:41:10

Thanks for posting Jim Grant’s article - even the intellectuals of Wall Street are recognizing the unsustainability of uncontrolled money printing. As Peter Schiff has said many times in the past, if the solution to our problems could be solved by printing money - give every American 100K, 250K, 500K - whatever! Foreclosures would end, unemployment wouldn’t hurt, and Americans could again spend like there was no tomorrow!

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-12-05 07:51:28

“Although Obama recognizes that most communities “don’t have the benefit of the kind of intellectual firepower” with which he has surrounded himself at the White House”

I think everyone agrees on that point, unschooled redneck gun-toting Republigoons, and educated, caring, metrosexual Democrats alike.

The first thing Obama should do to fix the economy is appoint about ten million Federal Life-Coach Czars to personally manage the finances, education plans,buying habits, and career paths of everyone else across America. At a salary of $250,000 per czar, millions of ACORN and undocumented guest workers could immediately be employed to bring diversity of opinion to the other job seekers and stimulate the economy like a line of coke.

Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 09:57:45

“The first thing Obama should do to fix the economy is appoint about ten million Federal Life-Coach Czars to personally manage the finances, education plans,buying habits, and career paths of everyone else across America. At a salary of $250,000 per czar, millions of ACORN and undocumented guest workers could immediately be employed to bring diversity of opinion to the other job seekers and stimulate the economy like a line of coke”.

You should fly to D.C. and present your plan, Barry said he was looking for suggestions, and yours is as good as any.

How about the gubmint hiring everyone that “wants” to work and those that are to busy watching the soaps,smoking crack or having chidrens could just live off of those that produce. I wonder if that’s been tried before, sounds like fine a plan.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-12-05 11:09:49

At a salary of $250,000 per czar, millions of ACORN and undocumented guest workers could immediately be employed to bring diversity of opinion to the other job seekers and stimulate the economy like a line of coke.

Trifecta!

ACORN, illegal aliens, and cocaine all in one sentence. Do you ghost write for Glenn Beck, perchance?

Comment by oxide
2009-12-05 13:01:14

You forgot the czar obsession.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-12-05 13:37:50

You’re right.

What’s that, a quadrafecta?

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Comment by exeter
2009-12-05 17:38:23

Lmao. Your blatant endorsement of anything wingnut is back slapping hilarious for someone who recently started(2008) saying all political parties are lousy.

Lemme wager on your next response….-> “I’m really a libertarian”..

You lamers are so predictable.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-12-05 08:30:23

Tubo says so

Geithner: Can shift “substantial” bailout funds to jobs December 4, 2009 5:46 PM ET

All Thomson Reuters newsWASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration can shift “substantial” resources from bank bailouts to job creation and will soon spell out the case for doing so, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said on Friday.

Interviewed on Bloomberg television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt,” Geithner said money from the $700-billion Troubled Assets Relief Program will be available.

“We’re going to explain that we’re going to have substantial savings, that we’re going to have very substantial resources that we can make available to support not just the immediate priorities the country faces in spurring investment in job creation, but also to meet our long-term fiscal challenges,” he said.

Can he get anything straight? TurboTax failed him. So, apparently, did Outlook calendar.

Hapless Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner claims he didn’t find out about the AIG bonus issue until March 10. This was contradicted by AIG president Edward Liddy’s testimony before Congress earlier this week. Liddy was right. Geithner was wrong. And it’s all on videotape. DealBlog this morning referenced a House hearing on March 3 in which Geithner was directly questioned about the specific bosnues, a full week before Geithner claims he was made aware of the impending controversy.

TurboTax Doesn’t Prompt Users to Pay Self-Employment Taxes? Or Just Geithner’s Copy of the Software?

In today’s confirmation hearing, Treasury Secretary nominee Tim Geithner said he used TurboTax to prepare his returns for the years in question where he failed to pay self-employment taxes — even though he collected reimbursement from his employer, the International Monetary Fund.

Senator Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, asked, “Did the software prompt you to pay those taxes?”

“Not to my recollection,” Geithner answered.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-05 08:41:23

Stop calling them “unemployed”. They are America’s “Troubled Assets”.

Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 09:51:21

I thought the new term was “un-jobbed” and in a jobless recovery that’s a good thing.

Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-12-05 16:12:24

We’re “economically unviable”.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 08:46:31

Geithner’s Disgrace

The new AIG report reveals how the Treasury secretary—and U.S. taxpayers—were fleeced by Wall Street banks.

By Eliot Spitzer
Posted Monday, Nov. 23, 2009, at 2:57 PM ET

U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner. Click image to expand.Timothy Geithner The issue has been festering for months: Why were AIG’s counterparties—including Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, and UBS—paid 100 cents on the dollar when the feds rescued the insurance giant, helping raise the cost of the bailout to nearly $200 billion? A new report issued by Special Inspector General Neil Barofsky now reveals that government officials, notably then-New York Fed President and current Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, grievously damaged the nation and capitulated to the very banks they should have been supervising.

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-12-05 11:24:38

I don’t see how any honest person could bet their trust on Bernanke and Geithner.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 14:58:05

Luckily the banking system does not depend on trust, or we would be in trouble.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 08:48:48

Why Panicky Dems are Bailing on Tim Geithner
2010 election | Obama White House | Timothy Geithner

One residual from Timothy Geithner’s rough confirmation back in January — “Turbo Tax Tim” and all that — is that his political position is probably a bit more precarious than that of the typical newbie treasury secretary.

Not only has Geithner been a frequent target of late-night comedy shows, he’s the public face of the unpopular bank and automaker bailouts. High unemployment rate isn’t helping either.

No surprisingly, a new Rasmussen poll finds that 42 percent of Americans think Geithner has done a “poor” job handling the economy versus 20 percent who rate him “good or excellent.” And the furor over his handling of the AIG bailout has yanked the competence issue back to the forefront.

So there is little political risk from calling for his resignation, as Representative Peter DeFazio, an Oregon Democrat, and several Republicans have done. But, my sources say, there seems to be little White House appetite at this moment for ousting Geithner, who certainly has no plans of his own for a fast exit. Expect him to stick around until at least November 2010.

Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 09:47:43

“there seems to be little White House appetite at this moment for ousting Geithner”

The White House is not going to give little TTT the boot you can count on that. TT’s bud’s on W street like him just where he is, and it’s all about money. The banksters can jerk chains very hard, all the way to the top.

TTT would have to go way off base to get the ax. He could pee on the oval office rug and still keep his job.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 10:33:54

“…He could pee on the oval office rug and still keep his job.”

Ha, that begs the question, what was Cheney be allowed to do? ;-)

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Comment by jeff saturday
2009-12-05 11:10:31

And that begs the question,

If Dan Rooney, owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers, thanked Barack Obama after the Super Bowl victory?

“I want to thank President Barack Obama…”

Were their last three losses, including a loss to the 3 and 8 Kansas City Chiefs George Bush’s fault?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 14:59:17

“…He could pee on the oval office rug and still keep his job.”

That also begs the question, what was Clinton allowed to do?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 15:42:42

BJ or War in Middle East…tough one. ;-)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 11:17:24

He could cheat on his taxes and still keep his job (as overseer of the IRS, among other duties).

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Comment by GH
2009-12-05 14:13:44

The rules only apply to the “little people”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 15:02:58

Oh right — I forgot that. Polly mentioned above that “there are a lot of laws that the government makes itself exempt from in the text of the law.” Does this apply to the Treasury Secretary paying what he owes the IRS?

I remember from my childhood a top politician who did not get so lucky with respect to tax evasion charges.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 16:26:28

“…Agnew campaigned on a law-and-order platform” ;-)

Not that I give a hoot about a Goldenmansachs back-scratcher, but I don’t think timmy was “appointed” for his “tough-love”, fearful Clint Eastwood eye squinting abilities.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 18:55:33

Thanks for the reminder — I had forgotten how squinty-eyed Spiro T Agnew was. I had always assumed this was related to his alcohol consumption habits…

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 08:43:41

Can you trust mainstream news media to provide unbiased reporting? Not by a long shot!

In 2002, The New York Times reported George Bush’s 5.7 percent unemployment rate, noting that it was a drop from 5.9 percent. “Unemployment fell in August. Drop is called Insignificant.”

Mind you, the drop was 0.2 percent, the same as the unemployment number reported yesterday. In 2002 the Times said: “The labor market improved slightly last month but offered little hope that the economy would soon emerge from its prolonged weakness.”

But it’s now 2009 and a 0.2 percent decline in unemployment is cause for celebration. The Times headline: “U.S. Economy Lost Only 11,000 Jobs in November.”

“In the strongest jobs report since the recession began two years ago, the nation’s employers all but stopped shedding jobs in November, the government reported on Friday, and they appeared to be on the verge of finally rebuilding the work force.”

Columnist Warner Huston calls the New York Times merely an arm of the Democratic Party.

Comment by laurel, md
2009-12-05 11:03:32

Columnist Warner Huston is merely an arm of the far right GOP.

Comment by az_lender
2009-12-05 11:39:16

OK, and the Democratic Party is merely an arm of the public employee unions, and the Republican Party is merely an arm of some evangelical church. So why don’t I usually vote for the libertarian party candidates? And why don’t the libs here usually vote for the green party candidate? It’s because one of the two major parties will usually win.

 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-12-05 11:06:55

Can you trust mainstream news media to provide unbiased reporting? Not by a long shot!

The entire concept of unbiased reporting is a myth (kinda like the free market).

Let’s just get over it, acknowledge the biases, and move on.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 09:03:06

Geithner: Can shift “substantial” bailout funds to jobs.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Obama administration can shift “substantial” resources from bank bailouts to job creation and will soon spell out the case for doing so, Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said on Friday.
Economy

Interviewed on Bloomberg television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt,” Geithner said money from the $700-billion Troubled Assets Relief Program will be available.

“We’re going to explain that we’re going to have substantial savings, that we’re going to have very substantial resources that we can make available to support not just the immediate priorities the country faces in spurring investment in job creation, but also to meet our long-term fiscal challenges,” he said.

President Obama is to lay out job creation strategies in a speech next Tuesday morning, a potential venue for specifying how much TARP money the White House might redirect from its original purpose of propping up ailing financial institutions.

Geithner said money was being repaid in greater volumes by banks and that he expected $175 billion to come back by the end of next year. “That’s substantially more than we anticipated even just a few months ago,” Geithner added.

Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 09:23:34

Sorry, didn’t see that this was already posted by jeff saturday.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 10:40:49

No apologies needed…

Rene Zellweger: “you had me at…”gubmint”

(Hwy notes that one of the tools of “TrueBeliever’s™ / TrueDeceiver’s ™” is to constantly & repeatedly bombard the person with “The Message” ;-)

 
 
Comment by oxide
2009-12-05 10:48:00

Geithner said money was being repaid in greater volumes by banks and that he expected $175 billion to come back by the end of next year.

About a month ago, Obama(?) appointed a minor temporary czar (ha ha) to cut the pay of TARP bank exec in half. The message was clear: “We know you don’t really need TARP, you’re just speculating on the government dime. You want full pay? Quit smoking the Tarp-pipe.” And surprise surprise, banks are paying back the TARP.

Comment by measton
2009-12-05 13:10:28

Yep, you have to be thrilled as a stock holder to know that these clowns put their own paychecks so far above stock holders. If they are makeing money on TARP and aren’t being forced to pay it back isn’ t their duty to make money for share holders????? Could share holders sue them for this???

I’m all for them paying back funds but given that they only paid it back once their salary was on the line says everything.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-12-05 16:51:05

Your avg stockholders haven’t had any “rights” since the 1980s.

Only the big institutions do and they also have inside info.

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Comment by robin
2009-12-06 03:29:53

+2 oxide

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 09:06:14

“Nothing has been resolved, it’s just being postponed…The ultimate crisis will not just bankrupt the banking system as happened in 2008, it will bankrupt governments.”

~Marc Faber

Comment by combotechie
2009-12-05 09:53:54

“…it will bankrupt governments.”

…and will cause a LOT of money to vanish into thin air.

The trick to survival - flourishing even - is to make sure none of this vanishing money belongs to you.

(Okay, let’s hear all about it from the gold bugs.)

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-12-05 11:09:29

What advice do you have to the people of Vietnam and North Korea whose currencies were recently devalued?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 11:18:29

Get ready to start producing more export goods.

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Comment by mrktMaven
2009-12-05 11:26:54

Work harder for less.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 15:04:25

“Work harder for less.”

You aren’t talking about America, or you. Oh wait — our currency has been devalued, too, over the past decade, no less.

 
Comment by combotechie
2009-12-05 16:26:31

“Oh wait - our currency has been devalued, too, over the past decade, no less.”

Yes indeedy, it has. Trillions of dollars have been borrowed into existence over this past decade which acted to push way up the prices of houses. This borrowing fed on itself as homebuyers could use their rising home equity to borrow even more - borrow more money into existence. Thousand of jobs sprung into being in response to these newly created dollars looking for something to buy.

But look at what is happening now. Now everything has gone into reverse. Money isn’t being borrowed into existence anymore; it’s being repudiated and bankruptcyied out of existence. The jobs created by borrowed dollars are vanishing along with these vanishing dollars.

Inflation has morphed into deflation. Dollars are doing a vanishing act, are becoming scarce , dollars are (gasp) increasing in value with respect to what they can be traded for.

And don’t forget; Banks aren’t making many loans, they aren’t loaning money into existence, but they are certainly busy collecting payments from loans already made. This means a lot of the money that goes into the bank doesn’t leave the bank. This reduces the money in circulation.

And it is the circulation of money, its velocity, that makes an economy work.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-12-05 16:53:59

“…dollars are (gasp) increasing in value with respect to what they can be traded for.”

For who? Sure as hell not me.

 
Comment by cactus
2009-12-05 20:06:08

Banks aren’t making many loans, they aren’t loaning money into existence, but they are certainly busy collecting payments from loans already made

also busy raising fees and cutting off marginal customers

The future will be bright for Payday loan companies in all the new Pottersville’s USA

 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-12-05 11:25:50

What advice do you have to the people of Vietnam and North Korea whose currencies were recently devalued?

Gawd, those poor North Koreans. What a royally F’d country. The advice there is simple: Get out if you dare.

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Comment by combotechie
2009-12-05 11:45:27

My advice is they should have bought US dollars.

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Comment by combotechie
2009-12-05 11:49:01

This advice extends to any country without the Rule of Law.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-12-05 12:46:03

“…and will cause a LOT of money to vanish into thin air.”

If half the gold in the world suddenly vanished, I think you’d agree that each ounce of the remaining amount would be worth more. If money “vanishes,” then what’s left will also have more value. If the forecast is for a lot of money to “vanish,” then it’s time to sell the hard assets and convert everything to cash.

 
Comment by mrktMaven
2009-12-05 18:33:13

Isn’t Rule of Law the definition of fiat? Bernanke printed 10 trillion by Rule of Law. If lawmakers have their way, he’ll print 10 trillion more.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by AnonyRuss
2009-12-05 09:57:47

This looks like a 11/6/09 air date based on the DOW ticker. It is a Fox Business call-in segment with a seriously underwater Nevada f’d borrower (although one who put 20% down). What amazingly awful advice from most of the panel. I mean, I despise flippers and speculators, but there is no way that financial advisers could ever justify keeping this loan current indefinitely.

Also, someone should advise the female panelist on the right that wearing only a slip and a blazer is probably inappropriate for news reporting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZOg1YPZSjk

Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 10:22:19

That Larry Wingnut sure wears some nice ear rings. The last fellow was correct IMO, right wrong or indifferent that FB is blued, screwed & tattooed, I would leave the keys on the granite and walk.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-12-05 11:28:13

First, I checked the video for Tracy Burns’ mimicking the Basic Instinct switch crossing the legs, but she did not do it, so I don’t know how you can assume she is wearing “only” a blazer and a slip. I like her appearance, so as a male, I don’t think her outfit is inappropriate.

As for the advice, half the panel said a contract is a contract. The other half said to walk away. The situation is the caller bought a $340,000 house or condo in LV at the peak. It’s now worth $140,000. A comp with the same model sold recently for somewhere in the $120s.

Personally, since I played by the rulebook and a contract is a contract (to me), I would never trust anyone who walked away from their loan to backpedal out of a deal. Bottom line: They are cheaters. The law should be that they should not be able to take a loan for anything, whether to buy a house, a car, an HDTV, for at least twelve years. They should be charged 35% on any credit card they use.

They signed a contract. They are adults.

Comment by AnonyRuss
2009-12-05 12:04:33

I thought that this was a clear-cut case of walking away, at least in financial terms. The fully dressed woman was non-committal, the guy with the loud shirt gave a sermon on why the mortgage loan was a sacred honor, echoed by your fave TB, the guy Tavella lied and said that walking away meant no chance at buying a house for the rest of one’s life, the Zillow guy mentioned that many are choosing strategic default, but sort of apologized for even mentioning it. Ferris was the only one who actually advocated walking away, and pointed out that inflation-adjusted Vegas bubble prices were never going to return.

Like you, I observed the housing bubble and chose to rent. But I find it absurd to have several financial advisers gang up on a caller, telling him that he must spend 20 or 30 years doing the suburban Vegas version of penance for his mistake.

As for Basic Instinct potential, I prefer not blur the line between Showtime and financial channels. But to each his own.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-12-05 12:13:11

Actually contract law is heavily concerned with what do do when one party “breaches” the contract. The concept of “liquidated damages” defines ahead of time what the non-breaching party should collect from the breaching party. If mortage contracts limit the lender to seizing the collateral as “liquidated damages”, so be it.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-12-05 14:20:42

I can see only one good thing coming out of “walking away.” It leaves only one party on the losing side in the long term - the lender, who should not be bailed out. If I could magically turn back time to eighteen months ago I would also have enough magical power to stop the bailout of any bank/mortgage institution and let them fail.

This would teach the lender a lesson: a) To be sure the borrower’s income is large enough to afford the traditional mortgage, b) to not only insist on 20% down payment but to put up another 15% collaterol, c) to do an extensive background check on the borrower. If the lender has reasonable suspicion that a borrower will default, it should be his responsibility to take the consequences of deciding either way.

This should not let the borrower get off free - that is what liens are for. The borrower should be ostracised for ripping off the lender.

The invisible hand would come up with a better approach to keep both parties honest if there were no interference by government, no loan assistance, etc.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2009-12-05 16:51:31

Bill:

I think you are confusing Morals with contracts.

Yes they did sign a contract for $340K, now if the Contract has very little if any penalties for non payment who’s fault is that?

If walking away is what the contract implied when you defaulted, well ok they followed the contract. Now if its a non recourse state again, they followed the contract and walked away.

And the bank should not be bailed out, since thy signed the contract too.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-12-05 17:25:37

I’m not disagreeing with you. I agree with your points.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 15:35:12

“They are cheaters.”

Ha, they are individuals. You see Bill that’s why most CORPRATIONS in America would shudder at the thought of even thinking of “cheating”… imagine what would happen to there “bidness” if they get caught. ;-)

Corporations = 1
Individuals = 0

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 17:02:20

For example, maybe fb’s should have this “corporate” tool in their box:

:-)

“…When the business is in trouble, with the threat of insolvency, investors will deduct the goodwill from any calculation of residual equity because it will likely have no resale value.”

Goodwill in financial statements arises when a company is purchased for more than the fair value of the identifiable assets of the company. The difference between the purchase price and the sum of the fair value of the net assets is by definition the value of the “goodwill” of the purchased company. The acquiring company must recognize goodwill as an asset in its financial statements and present it as a separate line item on the balance sheet, according to the current purchase accounting method. In this sense, goodwill serves as the balancing sum that allows one firm to provide accounting information regarding its purchase of another firm for a price substantially different from its book value. Goodwill can be negative, arising where the net assets at the date of acquisition, fairly valued, exceed the cost of acquisition.[1] Negative goodwill is recognized as a liability.

For example, a software company may have net assets (consisting primarily of miscellaneous equipment, and assuming no debt) valued at $1 million, but the company’s overall value (including brand, customers, intellectual capital) is valued at $10 million. Anybody buying that company would book $10 million in total assets acquired, comprising $1 million physical assets, and $9 million in goodwill. Goodwill has no predetermined value prior to the acquisition; its magnitude depends on the two other variables by definition.

The carrying value of an asset with associated goodwill may subsequently be adjusted by management, either by amortization or by means of occasional adjustments of the estimated value of the associated assets (primarily based upon their ability to generate cashflow and profits). The exact treatment and other details, particularly amortization, will depend on the accounting standards applied.

There is a distinction between two types of goodwill depending upon the type of business enterprise: institutional goodwill and professional practice goodwill. Furthermore, goodwill in a professional practice entity may be attributed to the practice itself and to the professional practitioner.[citation needed]

It should also be noted that while goodwill is technically an intangible asset, goodwill and intangible assets are usually listed as separate items on a company’s balance sheet.

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Comment by Muggy
2009-12-05 10:02:44

Any tips for lowballing rentals? I think I may have been blacklisted… do realtors still do this?

Comment by AnonyRuss
2009-12-05 10:46:09

What I did was choose the 10 to 15 houses with the cheapest list price for the area I wanted. I checked out the owners before checking out the houses. Depending on your county’s recording system, this can be a simple online search or a cumbersome in-person search. I looked for signs of default, and also avoided houses so far underwater that default was likely.

I looked at the houses that passed the first test, and decided which were good to live in. Then I offered what I decided was a reasonable amount via a faxed letter, including an offer to view a copy of my credit score and a 3-in-1 credit report that I had purchased before this process (I had no intention of allowing individuals or PM companies to directly check my credit). I started with the houses that had been vacant for a few months. It worked very well.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 10:06:22

Retail bankruptcies may hit new wave in 2010
Phoenix Business Journal

A new wave of retail bankruptcies and closures is looming after the holidays.

That’s according to local bankruptcy attorneys and economists who say retail-related bankruptcies have been on the rise. They expect more next year in the wake of downtrodden consumer confidence, tight credit, underwater mortgages and rising unemployment.

Bob Novak, a bankruptcy attorney with Jennings Strouss & Salmon PLC, said the past two years have been very tough on retailers, their landlords and suppliers, and he expects more of them to pack it in after the holidays.

Arizona’s 2009 retail sales are projected to be down by 12 percent to 15 percent compared with 2008, following an 8.5 percent drop from 2007 to 2008, said Arizona State University economist Lee McPheters.

“We have catastrophic retail sales,” he said.

McPheters also said other barometers of retail demand and sentiment — state sales tax revenue, tourism, population and job growth, and personal income — are all down in Arizona.

Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 10:08:14

You folks out there in Arizona had better get to spending, or you may lose a few strip malls and that would be a tragedy.

Comment by Muggy
2009-12-05 10:12:58

“A new wave of retail bankruptcies and closures is looming”

Noooo!

Get your nails did!

Eat Chinese food!

Save America!

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 10:45:53

“…You folks out there in Arizona had better get to spending…”

…because prison guards & their “benefits” are not funded “cheaply” by your taxpayers. ;-)

 
 
Comment by az_lender
2009-12-05 11:50:33

My latest prospective AZ client wanted to buy a mobile-home lot with RV-sized awning, shed, and 1/200th of the clubhouse, for $75K. Would I lend $55K. I said yes, I’d lend at 8.4% (even though $75K will buy a 3BR house in PHX). The client dithered. The price came down to $70K. Would I lend $55K. I still said yes, but said that if the down payment were only $15K, I’d be charging my customary 9% instead of 8.4%. The client dithered some more. Someone came along with a cash offer of $66K, so that place was sold. My client didn’t look for another, because suddenly there was a huge amt of dental work to be done (on my client). Would I lend $8,000 at a cheaper rate than the credit card? Yes, I’d lend it against my client’s existing manufactured home, even though my client doesn’t own the land. I’d lend the money at 7.5% because LTV would be about 15%. My client dithered, finally borrowing several thousand from a friend at 0%. That’s how MY retail business is going. (No problem, I can live on principal quite a while if need be.)

Comment by CA renter
2009-12-06 04:33:43

Thanks for sharing that, AZ.

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-05 13:02:48

OK …What did Wall Street and Corporations create with all the de-regulations and favorable laws and trade laws that were passed in their favor by bribed Politicians .

I1) Wall Street created a unregulated Casino market of high leverage bets and investments
that mixed with the regulated markets with the regulated markets that created the biggest, bogus ,leveraged ,real estate Ponzi scheme in History . They gave Americans credit based on this false scheme.
(2) Corporation and Big Business out-sourced jobs ,took manufacturing overseas ,they underfunded their pension plans ,they hired illegals expecting the taxpayer to pick up the health care costs .
(3) Employers increasingly cancelled benefits expecting employees to
make up the costs ,while they didn’t raise incomes accordingly for a decade
while the Corporations raised prices based on false wealth from real estate and credit . This was good for the Wall Street stock market game
(4) The Health Care Industry and all the Industries that collude with it created a monopoly that raised costs beyond reason ,while at the same time private insurance companies increasing sought ways to ration and not provide coverage to parties that needed it .
(5) Wall Street and Corporations shifted employees to 401k’s ,that benefited them in the generation of money that they could play with on Wall Street in their highly leveraged risky games ,because the regulated was playing with the unregulated ,thus playing with protected pension plans,on high risk games in combination with false ratings on junk.
In short .
(6) As the cheap labor monopoly continued ,without proper trade balances and tariffs and none of this for American owned Companies ,
the wonderful government failed to protect home based Companies
from cheap labor monopolies forcing Companies to outsource or close up
because of not being able to compete .
(7) The money supply was not controlled ,because it was all a investment game ,so money was directed and mis-allocated creating about 17 million extra units of real estate that was built in locations of lack of true end-user demand .
(8) Because of advertising revenue from the Greed machine making absurd profits the Media was bought off creating in fact a PR campaign
of rah rahing the Casino games and the faulty lending and toxic loans .
This PR campaign is still ongoing for the sole purpose to keep the Casinos
going and the ongoing favors from Politicians to the monopolies

And when everything failed Wall Street ,Lenders ,Corporations and the Politicians sought to bail out the culprits and still to this very day they seek to protect the systems that failed and obstruct justice . The Wall Street Casino is still open and Corporation are in and outsourcing and moving to foreign countries and will continue in the name of profits while
American taxpayers are expected to pay for this crash .and eventually lose their Country and standard of living ,just because the Greed Machine has enough money to buy votes and control the media by advertising dollars .

Comment by CA renter
2009-12-06 04:35:41

You always have great posts, Wiz. Thank you.

 
 
Comment by AnonyRuss
2009-12-05 13:06:15

Wow, talk about recourse loans. Dubai style.

“The Emirate has been struggling for many months, and if you scratch the surface the pain in this new and gaudy metropolis is palpable. Ross, who asked not to be identified, is one of countless expatriates who have been caught out by the collapse in Dubai’s once-booming property market.

Like many he bought a flat off-plan in what was a red-hot property market. Today he is trapped, his passport confiscated until he repays bank loans he used to invest in a property that may never exist. If his work dries up before he can clear his debts he will go to jail.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6945283.ece

Comment by rms
2009-12-05 15:23:10

Funny how the world’s disadvantaged are critical of Americans spending frivolously on self indulgence when it appears that just about anybody on the planet is capable of such behavior particularly someone from a poor upbringing. Being poor isn’t about a lack of money.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 15:37:53

“Democracy… while it lasts is more bloody than either aristocracy or monarchy. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.”

-John Adams 2nd President of the United States from 1797-1801

Comment by krazy bill
2009-12-05 16:33:49

A very pretty quotation, but (at least the first part) untrue then and untrue now.
Compare deaths initiated by Democracies vs. Autocracies.
As to the second part; we’ll see.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2009-12-05 16:58:57

John Adams was right. That’s why we were created as a republic.

Comment by krazy bill
2009-12-05 17:47:09

Very well; compare deaths by form of government/rule: Autocracies caused more.

Comment by ecofeco
2009-12-05 19:42:41

You are correct.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-12-05 15:58:12

Take back Al Gore’s Oscar, 2 Academy members demand in light of Climategate

Ex-VP Democrat Al Gore clutches his 2007 Oscar–from his cold dead hands

No, it wouldn’t do anything for the environment.

But two Hollywood conservatives (yes, there are some) have called upon the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences to rescind the prestigious, profitable gold Oscar statuette that it gave ex-Vice President Al Gore et al two years ago for the environmental movie “An Inconvenient Truth.”

Roger L. Simon and Lionel Chetwynd, both Academy members, are among a small, meandering pack of known political conservatives still believed to be on the loose in the liberal bastion of movie-making.

In 2007, Hollywood’s Academy sanctified Gore’s cinematic message of global warming with its famous statue, enriched his earnings by $100,000 per 85-minute appearance and helped elevate the Tennesseean’s profile to win the Nobel Peace Prize despite losing the election battle of 2000 to a Texan and living in a large house with lots of energy-driven appliances.

Chetwynd and Simon were prompted to make their hopeless demand this week by the….

…leak two weeks ago of a blizzard of British academic e-mails purporting to show that scientists at the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit systematically falsified data to document the appearance of global warming in recent years.

The university is reportedly investigating the claims, which added dry fuel to the never-ending political debate over whether the Earth really is warming as a result of human activity or if it’s just normal natural cycles and the debate is what’s heated. The demand to withdraw Gore’s award provides yet another opportunity to argue.

The startling leak comes at an inconvenient time just before next week’s United Nations’ climate change meeting that will cause an immense carbon footprint with thousands of people flying up or over to Denmark to talk about saving the environment.

These airplanes will include Air Force One with its primary passenger President Obama, who’s returning to the Copenhagen scene where he didn’t help win the 2016 Summer Olympics for Chicago, which could do with a little global warming at this time of year.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-12-05 16:26:23

Yawn.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-12-05 17:29:00

Well maybe you will wake up when this climate gate gets on steroids! Al Bore will have lots of ’splaining to do. He will probably blame others.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-12-05 19:09:07

Just because a few people were goosing data in the UK doesn’t invalidate anything but their own claims.

Yawn.

Yawn.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-05 17:47:14

A follow up from a little ways up the thread:

“…I mentioned that in Orange County, the average pay and benefits package for firefighters was $175,000 per year.”

You see, the “compassionate conservatives” of “The O.C.” …can be quite “Liberal” when they free like it! ;-)

Tough-on-crime stance emptied California’s pocketbook:

By BRIAN JOSEPH and TONY SAAVEDRA
The Orange County Register December 04, 2009

Up and down the Golden State, from San Francisco to San Diego, voters consistently put their support behind tough-on-crime candidates, tough-on-crime ballot initiatives, tough-on-crime sentencing laws. Everyone wants to punish the bad guys and keep them off the streets. In the current fiscal year alone, public safety spending will consume $13.5 billion – 11 percent of the state’s total budget.

But there are consequences to this mindset.

At a time when the state is struggling with its finances, the spiraling costs of California’s focus on public safety have tied the hands of budget-makers who want to spend more on education and social services – and have given power, influence and wealth to the state’s law enforcement community. Consider:

•California has the most costly state prisons in the nation. But the $8 billion a year system is plagued by inconsistent and outdated policies that have led to severe overcrowding and high recidivism. California’s lock-em-up mentality gets criminals off the streets—but New York has cut crime far more by keeping fewer convicts in prison.

•State and local governments are buckling under the weight of generous public safety pensions, which were given to police, firefighters and prison guards without a sufficient examination of future costs. Pension costs have driven one city to bankruptcy and pushed others in that direction. Since the pensions were liberalized in 1999, state pension resources have fallen from a surplus of $32.8 billion to an unfunded actuarial liability of $35 billion last year, according to the state’s own numbers.

•California has become more protective of its police than any state in the nation. Police and prison guard unions and other public safety lobbies have secured laws that keep the public from gaining access to police disciplinary records, making it almost impossible to publicly identify offending officers and determine whether they are being adequately punished.

Comment by cactus
2009-12-05 20:25:21

State and local governments are buckling under the weight of generous public safety pensions, how to pay ?

More photo enforcement traffic cameras !! fees for everyone !!

 
Comment by ahansen
2009-12-06 00:49:02

And even if you CAN get a lawyer to file a Pitchess amendment to find out if an officer has previous disciplinary actions filed against him, they’re still confidential to the court. IE: you the defendant will never know.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 19:21:45

The central bankers are turning cannibalistic. This can only be a good thing.

Geithner Says He Supports Congress Inquiry Into Fed Governance
By Craig Torres

Dec. 5 (Bloomberg) — U.S. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner broke ranks with his former central bank colleagues and said he would support moves by Congress to take a look at how regional Federal Reserve bank presidents are appointed.

“I think it is very appropriate, and I would be completely supportive of the Congress taking a look at that broader governance structure” of regional Fed banks, Geithner said yesterday in an interview for Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital With Al Hunt,” airing this weekend.

“You do not want to have any public institution in the position where its judgments, the judgments of their executives, are viewed through the prism of concern they are subject to influence of the financial community,” Geithner said. While that was “never the case,” he added, limiting such concerns would help protect the Fed, he said.

Federal Reserve spokeswoman Michelle Smith wasn’t immediately available for comment.

Comment by rms
2009-12-06 00:12:52

I dunno Professor…’ya sure it’s not a “dog-n-pony” show for the plebs?

Comment by CA renter
2009-12-06 04:40:57

I think you’re right, rms.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 19:23:13

Bernanke: ‘Little bit early’ to make case for second stimulus
By Silla Brush - 12/03/09 12:02 PM ET

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke on Thursday threw cold water on efforts to push a major new fiscal stimulus package.

At his confirmation hearing for a second term as chairman, Bernanke emphasized that the government has spent less than half of the money in the $787-billion package passed earlier this year and that analysts are still determining its impact.

“Only about 30 percent of the funds have been disbursed,” Bernanke said. “It’s a little bit early to make a strong judgment, a little bit early to decide whether or not to do additional fiscal actions.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 19:24:56

Why Congress is Furious at the Fed
By Justin Fox Friday, Dec. 04, 2009

The Federal Reserve system, that mysterious organization with the temple-like headquarters just off the Washington Mall and thick-walled outposts in cities across the land, is under assault. It’s “the most serious attack that I have seen on the Federal Reserve in the many, many years that I’ve studied it as a scholar,” says Columbia economist and former Fed governor Frederic Mishkin.

Texas libertarian-Republican-obstetrician-Congressman Ron Paul–a man not known for bipartisan consensus-building–has gotten 313 of his colleagues, more than 100 of them Democrats, to back a bill that would subject the Fed to audits by the Government Accountability Office, and the Financial Services Committee has approved a version of it. On the other side of Capitol Hill, Senate Banking Committee chairman Chris Dodd is pushing reforms that would strip the Fed of its power to regulate banks.

It has gotten so bad that Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke has resorted to the equivalent of heavy artillery, taking to the opinion pages of the Washington Post on Nov. 29 to express his concern that these measures “would significantly reduce the capacity of the Federal Reserve to perform its core functions.” (For Fedspeak, this is seriously blunt language.)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 19:27:08

Busch: The Best Questions For Ben Bernanke
Published: Thursday, 3 Dec 2009 | 9:32 AM ET
By: Andrew B. Busch
CNBC Contributor
Global Currency & Public Policy Strategist
BMO Financial Group

Let’s get right to heart of what really matters here for the Fed. Just two questions need to be asked.

1. Why should the Fed have any regulatory oversight considering what a poor job they did in the past?

2. Why should the Fed have a dual mandate?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 19:36:18

Whether they were terrible predictions or merely spin, Bernanke’s consistent track record of missed calls on the economic situation has caught up with him.

This reminds me of one of my former high school tennis coach’s favorite cliches:

“It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear dumb than to open it and remove all doubt.”

December 3, 2009, 6:11 pm
Bernanke, Pro and Con
By DAVID LEONHARDT

Should Ben Bernanke be reappointed the chairman of the Federal Reserve? The Senate Banking Committee is considering the question this week. Here’s a quick summary of the debate, with arguments from both the con and pro camps:

Brendan Smialowski
for The New York Times

Bernie Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont, has become the public face of the anti-Bernanke camp, and Mr. Sanders’s Web site has a useful summary of his reasoning. In sum: “When you have a football coach who keeps losing games, you have to bring in someone new.”

Perhaps the strongest part of his case is the list of statements from Mr. Bernanke over the past few years that Mr. Sanders’s staff has dug up. These stretch over both his time as Fed chairman, which began in February 2006, as well as his previous time as a Bush administration adviser and a Fed governor. Among the highlights (the parenthetical comments are mine):

* July 1, 2005 (responding to a CNBC question about whether there was a housing bubble and whether it could cause a recession): “It’s a pretty unlikely possibility. We’ve never had a decline in house prices on a nationwide basis. So, what I think what is more likely is that house prices will slow, maybe stabilize, might slow consumption spending a bit. I don’t think it’s gonna drive the economy too far from its full employment path, though.”

* May 17, 2007: “We do not expect significant spillovers from the subprime market to the rest of the economy or to the financial system.”

* July 18, 2007 (a month before the subprime mortgage market began having problems and five months before the recession began): “Employment should continue to expand. … The global economy continues to be strong. … Financial markets have remained supportive of economic growth.”

* Feb. 28, 2008: “Among the largest banks, the capital ratios remain good, and I don’t expect any serious problems … among the large, internationally active banks that make up a very substantial part of our banking system.”

* June 9, 2008 (six months into the recession and three months before the financial panic began): “The risk that the economy has entered a substantial downturn appears to have diminished over the past month or so.”

* May 5, 2009: “Currently, we don’t think [the unemployment rate] will get to 10 percent.” (Five months later, the rate reached 10.2 percent.)

Also opposed to Mr. Bernanke are Stephen Roach, an economist who is now chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia; Anna Jacobson Schwartz, an economist who was Milton Friedman’s co-author; The Wall Street Journal editorial board; and James Galbraith, the liberal University of Texas economist (see the PBS “NewsHour” forum mentioned below).

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 19:39:12

The Financial Times
Bernanke faces battle on two fronts
By Tom Braithwaite and Krishna Guha in Washington

Published: December 4 2009 02:00 | Last updated: December 4 2009 02:00

Ben Bernanke’s confident defence of the Federal Reserve yesterday left him with enough support to all but guarantee his eventual reconfirmation - but only minority backing for his vision of the future role of the US central bank.

As the Fed chairman repeatedly urged the Senate not to strip the Fed of its banking supervision powers, Chris Dodd, the Senate banking committee chairman, stood firmly behind his plan to do so - and was backed by Richard Shelby, the senior Republican, and others on the committee.

“The country is best served by a strong, focused central bank, not one that is saddled with too many diverse missions and competing responsibilities,” Mr Dodd said.

Mr Bernanke insisted that bank supervision was essential to effectively maintain financial stability. “It is a very, very serious matter to take the Fed essentially out of financial stability management, which this would I think do,” he said. Respect for Mr Bernanke among most senators was mixed with widespread unease about the institutional role of the Fed - focused mostly on its regulatory failings in the run-up to the crisis - and some outright hostility to the Fed chief among Republicans.

His long-time critic, senator Jim Bunning, said he would “do everything I can to stop your nomination”. Branding Mr Bernanke the embodiment of moral hazard, he added: “To keep filling up the punch bowl you cranked up the printing presses.”

Mr Bernanke, who enjoys broad support across financial markets, is expected to be reconfirmed - even though the blocking tactics of his critics will require a super-majority of 60 senators to vote in his favour. However, the vote could slip into next year.

In his defence against charges he had bailed out banks to the detriment of ordinary people, Mr Bernanke provided an unusually personal take on the crisis.

He said: “It’s extraordinarily important to understand that I did not intervene because I care about Wall Street. I am not a Wall Street person. I’m an academic. I come from a small town. I did it because I knew from my studies that the collapse of the financial system would have extraordinarily bad consequences for Main Street.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 19:41:30

If you are incapable of seeing a bubble, how could you possibly use rates to pop one?

Top News December 3, 2009, 4:31PM EST
Bernanke May Use Rates to Pop Bubbles

The Fed chairman tells Senators that he sees no sign of “extreme misvaluations” of assets in U.S. markets

By Steve Matthews and Vivien Lou Chen

(Bloomberg) — Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said he doesn’t rule out using monetary policy to pop asset-price bubbles, while stressing that financial regulation is his preferred approach.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 19:43:10

The Financial Times
Bernanke confirmation hits new hurdle

By Tom Braithwaite and Krishna Guha in Washington

Published: December 3 2009 05:30 | Last updated: December 3 2009 05:30

Ben Bernanke faces a tougher path to being reconfirmed as Federal Reserve chairman after an independent senator put a hold on his confirmation on Wednesday evening.

Bernie Sanders, a senator from Vermont who usually votes with the Democrats, said he was using the procedural device because Mr Bernanke had been too supportive of Wall Street at the height of the financial crisis last year.

“The American people want a new direction on Wall Street and at the Fed,” he said in a statement. “They do not want as chairman someone who has been part of the problem and who has been responsible for many of the enormous difficulties that we are now experiencing. It’s time for him to go.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 19:46:30

Oh, bugger — again!

Economy Watch Live Updates on the Financial Crisis
Business Home
Quarter of borrowers in anti-foreclosure plan are behind
Delinquencies worry some; other experts say it’s too early to judge

By Renae Merle
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 5, 2009

About 25 percent of borrowers helped under the administration’s massive foreclosure prevention plan have already fallen behind on their new mortgage payments, according to government data that raise new questions about the program’s effectiveness.

The delinquency figures reflect the latest troubles of the program, known as Making Home Affordable. Earlier this week, Treasury officials announced a campaign to put new pressure on lenders to do more to move struggling homeowners into loans with easier terms.

So far, more than 650,000 borrowers have been enrolled into the initial, or “trial,” phase of the program and have seen their payments lowered by an average of $640 a month, or 40 percent. But a recent survey of large mortgage servicers published by the Treasury Department found that that more than 25 percent of borrowers in the program were not current on their trial payments.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-05 19:48:57

December 4, 2009
Foreclosure “shadow inventory”

Some of you have wondered how many foreclosed homes are on the sidelines of the housing market, neither for sale nor in the process of being sold. Lender Processing Services, a mortgage-industry services provider that tracks nearly 45 million loans across the country, says the answer is nearly 30 percent … of properties in foreclosure for 12 months.

Yikes.

That’s “twice the level of the prior year,” the firm noted this week in a report looking at data through the end of October.

On top of that, Lender Processing Services said, mortgage holders haven’t started foreclosure proceedings on almost 30 percent of loans with at least six missed payments. Two years ago, it was 13 percent. (The Mortgage Bankers Association, seeing similar trends, said lenders are trying to work out modifications with borrowers.)

 
Comment by cactus
2009-12-05 20:02:30

http://www.safehaven.com/article-15206.htm

Tim Wood and the housing cycle. He beleives the upturn in RE that started this spring is over and a low will develop in 2010 and how that turns out will tell if the RE bottom is over.

I see more homes for sale now and I bet its because the recent upturn in sales this summer and fall maybe because of fear the 8K government credit would expire.

still renting and happy with that.

 
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