December 8, 2009

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Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 04:18:54

Congress Is the Drunk at the Fed’s Punch Bowl: Roger Lowenstein

(Bloomberg) — The U.S. Congress wants to ride herd over the Federal Reserve. It wants the power to scrutinize the Fed’s interest-rate decisions. It wants to look into how the Fed decides to lend to individual banks.

Like a lot of their constituents, legislators are angry at the Fed’s handling of the financial crisis. They want to know why the Fed permitted such a huge financial bubble to develop — and why, when it burst, it bailed out so many banks.

Many of the criticisms of the Fed are valid. Former Fed chief Alan Greenspan, who oversaw the economy during the boom years, has admitted he placed too much faith in the ability of bankers to monitor their risks. Ben Bernanke, the current chairman, has been overhauling regulatory policy in the hope of preventing a repeat.

But here’s the thing. The changes that Congress is urging would make things worse. If anything, the Fed has been too sensitive to public opinion. And in the recent past, it was too eager to satisfy the public with an easy-interest-rate and easy- mortgage policy.

Last week, when Bernanke testified before the Senate Banking Committee, which is deliberating whether to confirm him for a second term, senators let him have it. Jim Bunning of Kentucky, more famous for throwing a perfect game in his baseball career than for his central banking expertise, called Bernanke “the definition of a moral hazard.” Bernard Sanders of Vermont, a state with fewer bankers than cows, is vowing to block Bernanke’s reconfirmation.

Serious Threat

Bernanke will surely be approved. But the threat to rein in the Fed’s power is serious. The Fed was created as an independent agency precisely so it could make politically unpopular decisions. A Bernie Sanders is unlikely to push for higher interest rates when they are needed. And history shows that political meddling in the Fed has led to serious problems for the nation’s economy.

William McChesney Martin Jr., who headed the Fed longer than anyone else, famously declared that the role of the chairman is “to take away the punch bowl just as the party gets going.”

Appointed by President Harry Truman, Martin served from 1951 to 1970. Even he succumbed to pressure. Toward the end of his tenure, he knuckled under to Lyndon B. Johnson and failed to raise interest rates as inflation was heating up. Johnson wanted cheap money to finance his domestic agenda as well as the war in Vietnam.

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 07:42:37

Like a lot of their constituents, legislators are angry at the Fed’s handling of the financial crisis. They want to know why the Fed permitted such a huge financial bubble to develop — and why, when it burst, it bailed out so many banks.

“It” bailed them out?????

It?????

Look in the mirror congress - IT is you. You approved the TARP. The Federal Reserve serves the banks - it does not even have a mandate to serve the American people, but you do.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-08 08:24:51

Right on packman . This dog and pony show of the Politicians drilling the Bail Out team after the fact is just silly in some regards . I watched all those Hearing when Hank Paulson and BB asked for the
Bail Out money Blank Check no questions asked ,with a request for immunity for decisions made .

If any public official ,like a Treasury Sec. can come before Congress
and ask for 700 billion and more and simply scream FIRE to get it ,the blame goes to the Politicians .

Comment by chilidoggg
2009-12-08 18:00:05

Time out. Yes there is the TARP. But isn’t there also an unknown dollar amount of interest-free loans from the Fed to “special” banks? Isn’t this why we read everywhere how the Fed’s balance sheet has grown exponentially? Apart from the purchases of U.S. Treasuries.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-08 07:48:04

“If anything, the Fed has been too sensitive to public opinion.”

This is the most ridiculous statement that I have read in a long time.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 08:08:43

There certainly is a difference between feigned and actual sensitivity.

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-12-08 10:11:32

Runaway inflation and easy money is the goal.

Expect more of the same; only the amount of hand-wringing and grandstanding from the crooks in control will increase.

 
Comment by Socrates11
2009-12-08 12:24:37

End the Fed.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 04:45:24

Japan Releases Stimulus Package as Recovery Weakens (Update3)

(Bloomberg) — The Japanese government unveiled a 7.2 trillion yen ($81 billion) economic stimulus package amid signs the recovery and Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama’s popularity are waning.

Hatoyama’s first stimulus plan includes 3.5 trillion yen to help regions, 600 billion yen for employment and 800 billion yen on environmental initiatives, the Cabinet said today in a statement in Tokyo. The measures had been delayed because of haggling within the coalition government.

The package came a week after the Bank of Japan released a 10 trillion yen credit program in response to government calls for it to counter deflation and a surging yen. Analysts said today’s measures may provide at least a temporary boost for the world’s second-largest economy, which emerged from its worst postwar recession in the second quarter.

“I give it 50 points out of 100,” said Masaaki Kanno, chief economist in Tokyo at JPMorgan Securities Japan Co. and a former central bank official. The package “will be effective in easing strains on an economy struggling with deflation and a lack of demand, but it won’t boost growth potential in the medium to long term.”

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-12-08 08:42:33

Japan is never ending Keynesian nightmare.

Comment by Julius
2009-12-08 13:15:23

“Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.” -Albert Einstein

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-12-08 15:49:57

Like deregulating the financials, and having them crash the economy, then regulating them and having everything go well, then deregulating them and crashing the economy again, then ….

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Comment by james
2009-12-08 18:07:06

We’re going to spend our way out of this….

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 05:15:51

79% Now Favor Auditing the Fed

Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke on Thursday voiced his opposition to legislation calling for regular audits of the Fed’s monetary policies, but 79% of Americans think auditing the Fed is a good idea.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that just seven percent (7%) of adults oppose auditing the Federal Reserve and making those results available to the public. Fourteen percent (14%) are not sure.

The new findings mark a four-point increase in support for auditing the Fed from July . The audit - to be conducted by the General Accounting Office, Congress’ investigative agency - was first proposed by Republican Congressman Ron Paul and is now part of the House’s version of a bill putting more regulatory controls on the financial sector. The Senate is more skeptical of the audit proposal.

But Bernanke himself is under the gun this week as Senate confirmation hearings began on his nomination by the president to serve a second four-year term as Fed chairman. Just 21% of Americans favor Bernanke’s reappointment, while 41% are opposed .

Comment by NYCityBoy
2009-12-08 05:42:15

Pride cometh before a fall.

How many indictments would an audit lead to?

Comment by polly
2009-12-08 06:33:56

What crime or crimes do you think have been committed?

Please note, being stupid isn’t a crime.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-08 07:07:00

How about FRAUD! or maybe FRAUD!…or what about FRAUD! … oh, and I think I forgot FRAUD! …can anybody add anything I might have left out?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 08:11:07

What is fraud? And is it really a crime?

 
Comment by Skip
2009-12-08 08:48:12

As long as its all documented and approved they will all be ok.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-12-08 08:57:04

What is fraud? And is it really a crime?

Seems there many potentially troubling areas in the US Code.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-08 08:58:17

Friends don’t let friends defraud friends. Fraud kills. Fight fraud: Call 800 BIG-BANK. Pledge everything you have.

 
Comment by polly
2009-12-08 09:47:45

Common law fraud (which is a tort, not a crime), from wikipedia:

Common law fraud has nine elements:[1], [2]

a representation of an existing fact;
its materiality;
its falsity;
the speaker’s knowledge of its falsity;
the speaker’s intent that it shall be acted upon by the plaintiff;
plaintiff’s ignorance of its falsity;
plaintiff’s reliance on the truth of the representation;
plaintiff’s right to rely upon it; and
consequent damages suffered by plaintiff.

Most jurisdictions in the United States require that each element be pled with particularity and be proved with clear, cogent, and convincing evidence (very probable evidence) to establish a claim of fraud. The measure of damages in fraud cases is to be computed by the “benefit of bargain” rule, which is the difference between the value of the property had it been as represented, and its actual value. Special damages may be allowed if shown proximately caused by defendant’s fraud and the damage amounts are proved with specificity.

(Back to me) You have to show that you were specifically harmed by relying upon the fraudulent statement or statements in a way that is particular to the way you acted. So, if the fraud causes inflation, you can’t sue because lots of people are harmed by inflation.

Criminal fraud is generally going to require a specific statute forbidding it as well, such securities laws that forbid securities fraud, tax laws that forbid tax fraud, Medicare rules that forbid fraud in medicare claims, etc.

Good luck.

 
Comment by packman
2009-12-08 10:51:35

polly - the wealth of information you provide to HBB is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

 
Comment by Mugsy
2009-12-08 11:54:17

Polly I love your commentary. It is insightful, well informed and deliberative. However when a lawyer sites wikipedia I start to wonder if she’s been kidnapped by aliens or 17 year olds :<

 
Comment by Mugsy
2009-12-08 11:55:39

sites=cites Duh…

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-08 12:22:22

Sorry. FRAUD=FRAUD. there, that should fix post.

 
Comment by polly
2009-12-08 13:06:39

Well, it was a very succinct list of all the elements of common law fraud. I checked a few of the sites that came up in the google search first. This one had all the elements that I could recall. I could have tried to get a list from Black’s Law Dictionary, but I don’t spend that much time on these posts. And my torts class was quite a while ago and so was the last bar exam. That sort of stuff just doesn’t last in your head for too many weeks (OK, days) after you need them. The right list will look familiar, but you can’t just type it out without some research…

I use wikipedia with extreme caution for legal matters. Not terribly bad advice for all wikipedia research, actually.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 21:33:29

“Criminal fraud is generally going to require a specific statute forbidding it as well, such securities laws that forbid securities fraud, tax laws that forbid tax fraud, Medicare rules that forbid fraud in medicare claims, etc.”

The rule of law is so excessively fraught with loopholes and pratfalls, why not just abolish it and return to primal anarchy?

Where did I leave my pitch fork?

(Just joking, folks…)

 
 
Comment by Dave of the North
2009-12-08 07:18:20

“being stupid isn’t a crime.” … agreed, but it can lead to the death penalty (see Darwin awards).

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Comment by FB wants a do over
2009-12-08 07:24:03

“If God had not intended for us to eat animals, how come He made them out of meat?”

—Sarah Palin …

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Comment by michael
2009-12-08 08:09:47

“You Guys Make a Pretty Good Photo-Op”

- Barrach Obama

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-08 11:19:36

shouldn’t the ‘guts’ be made from chocolate? The fur gets caught in my teeth. Just some suggestions for God…

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-08 14:24:15

pressboard,

you may be trying to swallow the critters backwards.

 
Comment by polly
2009-12-08 14:53:03

Aren’t people made out of meat, too?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-12-08 15:54:32

People are made out of the holy spirit, polly. Get it straight. We do, however, taste like meat. (Pork, I hear, which makes sense.)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 21:41:04

“Aren’t people made out of meat, too?”

Yes. In particular, Sarah Palin’s head is made of meat.

 
 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-12-08 10:23:22

None.

Even if it was proven beyond any reasonable doubt that they were all liars and thieves, nothing will happen to them.

THAT is the one lesson that can be taken away from this engineered depression - that there is no longer any consequence for corruption and evil in this nation if you’re one of the elite.

Comment by neuromance
2009-12-08 19:48:48

It is truly amazing to me that a bank robber can get put away for life for taking 20 or 30 thousand dollars, yet these people who looted the economy to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars get no penalty. In fact they continue to draw gargantuan salaries (courtesy of the American taxpayer).

Truly amazing.

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Comment by CA renter
2009-12-10 03:33:46

Exactly. Remember when Hank Paulson said we’d find the culprits once everything settled down? We couldn’t do it during the “crisis” because we had to focus on fixing the crisis.

Okay, now we’re supposedly seeing green shoots everywhere. So…where are the perp walks?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Bad Chile
2009-12-08 05:57:22

I wonder if the reason the majority of those opposed to Bernake’s reappointment is that way because he hasn’t utterly respiked the punch bowl? In a day and age where politicians are taking the stance that “easy loans” are a fundamental part of our economy, it seems natural that the masses would take getting a loan on zero collateral (eg, the credit card uproar) or declining collateral (housing) as a fundamental birthright.

The Boston Globe Real Estate Blog (ha!) had a lively discussion yesteday on FHA loans need higher downpayment requirements (using the words “too easy to get”). The discussion was divided into three camps.

1) Real Estate agents and Mortgage Brokers (perhaps 60% of posters): Argued that no, FHA loans are not too easy to get because they involve “lots of paperwork”. Obviously, reading comprehension skills of this segment of the people arguing are subprime.

2) Real Estate agents and Mortgage Brokers (perhaps 35% of posters): Arguing that increasing the downpayment requirements from 3.5% to 5.0% would make buying a house impossible in the Boston market because 3.5% of $300,000 (ha!) is impossible because it is “like, $10,000, and another $5000 is out of the reach of everyone.”

3) Housing Realists (perhaps the remaining 5% of posters): Argued that $15,000 isn’t too much to ask for given that the taxpayer is backstopping the loans; that the IRS provides an $8,000 gift to homebuyers; and that we still haven’t solved the issue of last minute undocumented gifts and piggyback loans.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-12-08 10:32:43

So very true!

Let’s look at this in detail:

1) Group 1 are idiots. “too much paperwork” means “they’d have to document their income, prove that the house is their primary residence, etc.” In other words, more paperwork could reduce the amount of fraud, and since our eCONomy runs on fraud, this would be a Bad Thing.

2) Group 2 are idiots. They follow the notion of “we need to make housing affordable to those who can afford a house but have no money.” I love how people think that we need more government cheese since housing prices are out of line with incomes. Gee, maybe the housing prices are too high?

3) The only sane group. Too bad we’re outvoted 20 to 1.

Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-12-08 13:16:12

And you wonder why the gov’t steps in with “nanny state” provisions. As you yourself sate, 20-1 people are idiots, therefore they need nanny-ing.

It’s kind of a perverse way of supply meeting demand.

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Comment by packman
2009-12-08 13:20:02

The question is - which is the cause and which is the effect?

A. Does the government need to step in and nanny because people can’t think for themselves?

B. Or can people not think for themselves because they count on the government doing it for them?

 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-12-08 13:29:02

Well, that is the Catch-22. Certainly the one feeds into the other, and then back.

Then, there is that proverbial pendulum effect of swinging to the other extreme.

One thing is for sure: there are too many irresponsible and childish “adults” out there than in the past. Generally, good parenting, education and family principles have continually eroded over time. Now you see the results.

 
 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2009-12-08 06:14:11

“A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that just seven percent (7%) of adults oppose auditing the Federal Reserve and making those results available to the republic.”

Red flag Alert!!! A well framed question can elicit any response a surveyer would like. Anyone know anything about the integrity of Rasmussen Reports ?

BTW, (and a bit off topic) hundreds of college aged women answered “yes” when asked the question of whether women suffrage should be banned in the U.S.

Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 06:20:28

“Anyone know anything about the integrity of Rasmussen Reports” ?

I would imagine their ‘integrity’ ranks right up there with the majority of other pollsters. Of course people and politicians love polls when they are in their favor, hate, bash and dismiss them when not. A great deal of political moves are based solely on polls, that is just the way it is.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-12-08 07:19:45

During elections, Rasmussen poll results consistently favored the conservative viewpoint. There have been a few incidents of question-loading and push-polling.

However even the most “biased” polls only shift the results 3-4 points. 79% is far beyond any statistical shananigans.

Comment by basura
2009-12-08 10:20:14

Nope. Ras poll was the most correct in last election.

Koss poll on the other hand……

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Comment by MrsWheezer
2009-12-08 08:58:05

According to Rasmussen, this is the question asked:

1* A proposal has been made to audit the Federal Reserve and make the results available to the public. Do you favor or oppose auditing the Federal Reserve?

79% Favor
7% Oppose
14% Not sure

Comment by MrsWheezer
2009-12-08 09:12:13

Apparently, this was the last of several questions. Tried to post a link, but I think it’s stuck.

National Survey of 1,000 Adults
Conducted November 29-30, 2009

By Rasmussen Reports

1* Do you have a very favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable or very unfavorable impression of Ben Bernanke?

3% Very favorable
18% Somewhat favorable
23% Somewhat unfavorable
15% Very unfavorable
40% Not sure

2* Bernanke’s four-year term as Fed chairman expires in January. Should President Obama reappoint him or name someone new to the post?

21% Reappoint him
41% Name someone new
39% Not sure

3* Who has been a better Fed chairman – Ben Bernanke or Alan Greenspan?

17% Ben Bernanke
44% Alan Greenspan
39% Not sure

4* Does the chairman of the Federal Reserve Board have too much power, not enough power or about the right amount of power over the economy?

41% Too much power
7% Not enough power

29% About the right amount of power
22% Not sure

5* How confident are you that the Federal Reserve Board will be able to keep inflation under control and interest rates down?

8% Very confident
27% Somewhat confident
35% Not very confident
21% Not at all confident
10% Not sure

6* A proposal has been made to audit the Federal Reserve and make the results available to the public. Do you favor or oppose auditing the Federal Reserve?

79% Favor
7% Oppose
14% Not sure

NOTE: Margin of Sampling Error, +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence

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Comment by basura
2009-12-08 10:25:31

The problem is not the Polls, it’s the American people.

How many honestly know what the Fed is, let alone Bernanke?

People generally are followers and since it’s cool to be anti incumnebt now, Bernanke gets the wrath. Postitive tend nonetheless and seriously bad news for people who hold power in any capacity.

 
Comment by CA renter
2009-12-10 03:39:55

Bernanke had the opportunity to undo all the damage caused by Greenspan. We **needed** the credit/debt bubble to unwind. Too much credit (DEBT) in the system is NOT a good thing — it’s gone parabolic.

Many of the bad loans were made during Bernanke’s charimanship. He should have said back in 2006 that there was a credit bubble that needed to be unwound. It would have been painful, but if we had fixed the problem quickly, we could be on the way to recovery already. With the way he (and the govt, etc.) have done things, we will waver between a recession and slow growth for many, many years to come.

 
 
 
Comment by robin
2009-12-09 03:51:26

Nonetheless, they were still allowed to retain their positions on the songleading squad and cheerleading team (whether they were male or female bimbos).

 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2009-12-08 06:16:25

Although I am fully in support of a Fed audit, think about those polling numbers. A random sample of this country would have NO earthly idea of what a “Fed audit” would actually accomplish or in fact, what the “Fed” actually is. They are voting for it because it sounds like a way to scre* the government, and when aren’t audits of the “Fed” (which I take most people to mean the Federal Government, not the Federal Reserve Board) a good idea, everyone knows that the waste in the “Fed” is incredible.

IMHO, 1 out of 100 people actually knows what the Fed is and what they do. 1 out of 1000 might actually understand what an audit of the Fed would show (and I am not in that group, I understand what they do, but don’t really know what RP hopes to find via an audit.). Doesn’t mean that I’m not in favor of an audit, I think the Fed is corrupt as he**; ANY oversight that we can layer on them is a good thing, IMHO.

Also, their directive should be re-written tomorrow, the goal of the Fed needs to be price stability. This “dual mission” crap is.. Well, it’s just crap. It’s like being for and against abortion at the same time, it makes no sense.

Comment by In Montana
2009-12-08 07:46:27

I think there is a little bit of convenient scapegoating here, to get people’s minds off their own greed and culpability. Sort of like blaming the munitions makers for WWI. It might be cathartic for everyone but I doubt it will fix anything.

Comment by DinOR
2009-12-08 07:57:06

In Montana,

So true, and bravo. Notice how the monolines ( rating agencies ) have walked away from this thing without so much as a ‘hint’ of being overhauled?

Nope, no issues there.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 07:46:42

‘A random sample of this country would have NO earthly idea of what a “Fed audit” would actually accomplish or in fact, what the “Fed” actually is.’

Then the exercise should provide us all with a great educational experience in U.S. constitutional governance by checks and balances.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 07:48:20

“It’s like being for and against abortion at the same time, it makes no sense.”

Thanks Humphrey and Hawkins. Lesson learned: Once Congressmen muck things up, the muckage can long outlast the tenure of the muckers.

 
Comment by packman
2009-12-08 07:50:24

+1 on everthing…

…except for a goal of the Fed to provide “price stability”. Price stability is not a good thing, because achieving price stability requires artificial manipulation. Unstable prices are a natural thing, and should be allowed to exist.

If there is a shortage of something - prices should go up to reduce demand. If there is a glut of something - prices should go down to increase demand. This is natural, and it is correct. Artificial price controls directly cause waste and therefore economic suppression.

This includes everything - food, energy, stocks, bonds, gold, electronics, couches, houses, etc.

Houses right now are an excellent example. The house price bubble is being re-inflated right now - by the Federal Reserve in fact - in the name of “price stability”. It is wrong, and will only cause further problems down the road.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 08:07:30

For how many years now have we pointed out the folly of trying to reflate the housing bubble?

This is something the Congressional audit (or perhaps a DOJ inquiry) should explore: Is the Fed deliberately propping up housing prices, in violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act’s provisions on price fixing?

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Comment by packman
2009-12-08 08:31:44

Other examples of price-fixing agreements include those to:

* Establish or adhere to price discounts. *
* Hold prices firm.
* Eliminate or reduce discounts.
* Adopt a standard formula for computing prices.**
* Maintain certain price differentials between different types, sizes, or quantities of products.
* Adhere to a minimum fee or price schedule.
* Fix credit terms.***
* Not advertise prices.

* Yep - see tax credits.
** Yep - see FHA price formulas.
*** Very much yep - see MBA purchases, interest rate fixing, etc.

So I’d say yes - the Federal Reserve, in collusion with various government agencies, are very much in violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act.

 
Comment by polly
2009-12-08 11:54:59

See here:

http://topics.law.cornell.edu/wex/Antitrust

The overview does not say it explicitly, but, as I mentioned a few days ago, I bet that government actions are not subject to antitrust laws.

 
Comment by polly
2009-12-08 13:43:54

By the way, if the government were not exempt from antitrust laws, all agriculture subsidies would be illegal.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 13:51:46

“I bet that government actions are not subject to antitrust laws.”

Where does that leave the Fed?

 
Comment by polly
2009-12-08 15:00:04

Dunno.

You could try emailing these folks.

http://lawprofessors.typepad.com/antitrustprof_blog/

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 21:36:12

Polly — you are the best.

Seriously.

I appreciate anyone who can maintain their straight-laced integrity in the face of the greatest banking scam in the history of mankind.

 
 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-08 09:01:54

Really. What does joe-welfare, Obama-voter care about the FED? Now Tiger Woods and a porn-star… now that is interesting!

Comment by exeter
2009-12-08 12:28:32

About as much insterest as joe corporate welfare/hate-voter has.

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Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-12-08 13:22:39

If you asked the same group of people if they were for/agin abortion and for/agin murder, you would get two separate results.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2009-12-08 14:47:43

IMHO, 1 out of 100 people actually knows what the Fed is and what they do.

I think about 10% of American adults know, and 30% sort of know what the Fed is.

We Americans aren’t THAT ignorant I hope.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 07:38:25

“Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke on Thursday voiced his opposition to legislation calling for regular audits of the Fed’s monetary policies, but 79% of Americans think auditing the Fed is a good idea.”

Good thing for BB the Fed Chairman position is not an elected post, as he won’t have to worry about what percentage of Americans think his reappointment is a good idea.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-08 07:58:54

The problem is the National Debt. The cause is Congress. Congress wants to audit the Fed.

Hey, look over there!

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 08:04:00

There is that aspect (put the blame somewhere else so they won’t blame me). But don’t you think the Fed’s causal role in the financial crisis and their grandiose claims of having saved the financial universe from imminent destruction deserve at least a tiny bit of retrospective scrutiny?

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-12-08 08:19:58

PB - Good point.

It occurs to me that an “audit the Fed” measure would result in much gnashing of teeth, a big press conference with lots of suits, a bunch of oak furniture, plenty of finger pointing…and simplified articles in the MSM pointing the blame at the Fed.

If we audit the Fed…perhaps we should audit Congress as well? Whatever “audit” means in this application, shouldn’t there be some transparency? We’re broke, and Congress is pointing the finger at whatever administration in the past was in power or the Fed; and no one is paying attention that Congress, much like the modern helicopter parent, just can’t say no to Skyer and Ashleighy when they throw a temper tantrum. So on it goes…

Seems like a good racket to be in…

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Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-08 08:41:09

“Fed’s causal role”

would hardly be the subject of an audit. That is subjective.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 21:38:19

SHould be the subject of an audit, IMO.

But I expect the Ron Pauls of the world will go off topic and get wrapped around the axle over the Fed’s (long-established) right to conduct an independent monetary policy.

So it goes…

 
 
 
 
Comment by michael
2009-12-08 08:13:04

bill passess allowing congress to audit the fed.

congress hires someone to audit the fed.

congress reviews findings.

congress says “eff that…we can’t release this to the american people…things would get worse”.

and it goes on…and on…and on….

Comment by measton
2009-12-08 08:46:34

If a gov audit is done but suppressed, I would hope that the press would eventually be able to get the results with a freedom of information act. It would be nice to know what they’ve done. I’m not so sure i support a regular audit but a one time audit due to recent events seems like an extremely good idea.

Comment by Skip
2009-12-08 09:03:21

I think you guys underestimate the amount of work and time needed. I have an acquaintance that worked on the Fannie Mae restatement ( actually I think they did 3 restatements )after Raines left. It took 1.5 years.

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Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-12-08 10:02:30

I think you guys underestimate the amount of work and time needed.

Proponents of new laws or regulations often underestimate the work and time needed to administer them (if they even think about such things at all). But auditing the Fed is surely one bureaucratic effort that would be worthwhile.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-12-08 11:07:29

There is a saying: Every time a law is passed, a building goes up on K Street. Every time a law is repealed, two buildings go up on K Street.

 
Comment by packman
2009-12-08 11:19:55

LOL.

Reminds me of this Deep Thoughts:

They say every time a bell rings an angel gets its wings. They don’t tell you though that every time a mousetrap snaps an angel gets set on fire.

 
Comment by polly
2009-12-08 11:47:24

That is funny, oxide. As I was walking from the Metro to work today I noticed that they finally restarted work on a building site that has been a hole in the groupnd for quite a while at 1000 Conn Ave. Yup, right on the corner of Conn and K Street.

 
Comment by exeter
2009-12-08 12:36:37

“But auditing the Fed is surely one bureaucratic effort that would be worthwhile.”

If the task requires effort it’s now bureaucratic huh? Yearly corporate audits at my firm to maintain integrity is nothing more than a wasteful bureaucratic task I bet. And auditing the books of tax revenue spenders(govt. agencies) is a task that would be an exception in your mind right?

Mindless ideology has blinded you and you’ve proven it over and over again here.

 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-12-08 14:00:01

It’s like Rush Lintball on steroids.

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2009-12-08 14:05:37

Every time a law is passed, a building goes up on K Street. Every time a law is repealed, two buildings go up on K Street.

Ah, I see. Don’t try to resist the endless encroachments of government, just give up. Any examples of the latter phenomenon?

 
Comment by packman
2009-12-08 14:06:26

Exeter you do realize that the definition of “bureaucracy” doesn’t actually imply wasteful, right? By definition, anything that’s done by a government bureau is bureaucratic.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-12-08 16:50:37

Lehigh, there is very little government on K street. K street is where all the lobbyists and lawyers hang out. So even if the government shrinks by repealing a law, up springs an army of private scheisters to take full advantage.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 22:48:48

“Rush Lintball”

Are you trying to lure our pet troll back from under his bridge?

 
 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-12-08 10:43:16

Much like the bank “stress tests” where all the banks magically passed and plenty of them were given more free loot just to make sure the bankers were all fat and happy.

Still, an audit is better than nothing, even if little will come out of it.

 
 
Comment by MrsWheezer
2009-12-08 09:03:11

Found what looks to be the complete poll (I like to know precisely what questions were asked and in what order, because I’m OCD that way). It is an interesting mixture of questions:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/econ_survey_toplines/november_2009/toplines_bernanke_november_29_30_2009

 
Comment by cereal
2009-12-08 10:27:10

I suppose a great many Americans haven’t the slightest clue what the Fed is. Might that be the “14%” who are “unsure”?

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 10:57:31

Part of the problem is that its very name is incorrect.

- It’s not Federal, at least in the sense of being a Federal Government entity.

- There are no reserves. At least none that are publicly accessible (anymore anyhow).

This is by design, of course, since the first two central banks were roundly criticized to the point of being disbanded. For the third attempt they had to make it not so obvious that it was a central bank.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 22:47:35

The “reserves” can be printed at will to devalue the people’s money or to transfer wealth from Main Street to Wall Street.

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Comment by cobaltblue
2009-12-08 05:21:26

Yahoo Sells Your Account Info to The Government - Surprised?

After earlier reports this week that Yahoo had blocked an FOIA Freedom of Information release of its “law enforcement and intelligence price list”, someone helpfully provided a copy of the Yahoo company’s spying guide to the whistleblower web site Cryptome.org.

The 17-page guide, which Yahoo has tried to suppress via legal letters to the Cryptome.org site run by freedom of information champion John Young, describes Yahoo’s policies on keeping the data of Yahoo Email and Yahoo Groups users, as well as the surveillance and spying capabilities it can give to the U.S. government and its agencies.

The Yahoo document is a price list for these spying services and has already resulted in many people closing down their accounts in protest. However, closing a Yahoo account is not as easy as one might expect: users have reported great difficulty in finding the link to delete their account, and, Yahoo will still keep data for another 90 days.

Threat Level reported Tuesday that muckraker and Indiana University graduate student Christopher Soghoian had asked all agencies within the Department of Justice, under a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, to provide him with a copy of the pricing list supplied by telecoms and internet service providers for the surveillance services they offer government agencies. But before the agencies could provide the data, Verizon and Yahoo intervened and filed an objection on grounds that the information was proprietary and that the companies would be ridiculed and publicly shamed were their surveillance price sheets made public.

Yahoo wrote in its objection letter that if its pricing information were disclosed to Soghoian, he would use it “to ’shame’ Yahoo! and other companies — and to ’shock’ their customers.”

“Therefore, release of Yahoo!’s information is reasonably likely to lead to impairment of its reputation for protection of user privacy and security, which is a competitive disadvantage for technology companies,” the company added.

The price list that Yahoo tried to prevent the government from releasing to Soghoian appears in one small paragraph in the 17-page leaked document. According to this list, Yahoo charges the government about $30 to $40 for the contents, including e-mail, of a subscriber’s account. It charges $40 to $80 for the contents of a Yahoo group.

Facebook, Twitter, MySpace and other U.S. “social networking” sites are at minimum providing information in similar fashion to U.S. agencies, and in some cases have also received substantial funding by U.S. government related entities as a most efficient and cost-effective means of spying on their users around the world.

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 07:52:27

Verizon and Yahoo intervened and filed an objection on grounds that the information was proprietary and that the companies would be ridiculed and publicly shamed were their surveillance price sheets made public.

Wow. Just wow.

Is it really feasible now to object to legal actions based on the “shame” that such actions would result in?

Comment by Skip
2009-12-08 09:10:23

Of course it is.

Obama is refusing to allow the release of Abu Ghraib crime scene photos on the grounds that it may lead to unspecified and unsubstantiated actions against unspecified and unsubstantiated targets.

The real reason is the same as Yahoo’s - public shame and ridicule.

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 09:26:08

I wouldn’t say that’s shame - that’s more like fear of retribution, and also we’re talking about exposing a crime.

In the Verizon/Yahoo case we’re talking about exposing profits made from a transaction - something that’s not a crime the last I checked.

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Comment by Skip
2009-12-08 11:03:25

The Verizon/Yahoo case could also be a crime. Details are severely lacking.

 
Comment by polly
2009-12-08 12:33:24

Crime? Unlikely.

Violation of their contractual obligations to their subscribers? Possible, but only if they have very dumb lawyers.

 
Comment by Skip
2009-12-08 13:09:20

For example - imagine if Yahoo was turning over the contents of Sarah Palin’s emails (you know the account she was using as an official of the state of Alaska? the one that got hacked any way) during the election to someone in a government position for money. What if the money they charged was more than the “official yahoo” schedule of payments? What if the bill was paid in a suitcase full of cash?

 
 
 
Comment by eudemon
2009-12-08 19:23:57

This is news? Google has been tracking every user’s internet searches for several years now and is giving it to the Feds.

The day I learned this was the last day I used Google.

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 20:19:59

Link?

(though doesn’t surprise me, given that the Google CEO is a Bilderberger)

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Comment by awating wipeout
2009-12-08 08:03:02

Goggle is also an informatin goldmine too. ChoicePoint (owns LexisNexis, iirc) is the “OZ” for most personal data mining, govt and private. Employment backgound checks, too.

Comment by GH
2009-12-08 08:12:58

I would imagine what you search for on Google etc, could be scored and used to determine all kinds of nasty things about a person.

Sorry John we cannot hire you based on your history of Google searches …

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-12-08 08:39:49

GH
Interesting point, and an angle I had not linked yet.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-12-08 08:33:43

Also note that ChoicePoint operates CLUE, the claims database for the insurance industry.

 
 
Comment by Cassandra
2009-12-08 10:04:02

If the “contents” of my yahoo email account included correspondence between me and my attorney, would it be protected?

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-12-08 12:37:57

I’m no Lawyer, but I would assume it would not be considered confidential, since it was an email. I’m paranoid about the internet & emails after reading a book about Goggle, which included a chapter on all the government powers for things all internet, including emails.

imho,9-11 was a Pandora’s Box. Would any of our legal eagles like to educate us?

Comment by Julius
2009-12-08 14:13:57

Use Hushmail and/or PGP, etc for email correspondance you’d like to keep secret. Don’t trust Yahoo for something like that.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2009-12-08 14:49:04

I don’t use Google, and I fused the misspelling in my brain. Sorry. I use ixquick. They don’t track you like U.S. based search engines. (Still, the ISP thing going on.)

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2009-12-08 12:18:41

All my profiles on social networks are private. Any information you have on social networks can be used against you. It also makes sense of your mailbox. Thanks for your posts about e-mail and groups. I will have one less e-mail site by the end of today.

It pays to have a firewall, very important to have a virus checker and keep it updated. Also frequently defragment your HD and get a program to wipe your free space. Hackers can plant info on your HD. Very easy to do according to someone who posted on another site.

Anyone have a political vendetta against you, they will hire a hacker to plant info that can be used against you on your PC.

This world is getting viscious.

 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-12-08 05:48:58

Expect the MSM to focus on the Government managing “expectations”, rather than the Government producing “results” managing the economy:

NEW YORK (AP) — Consumers are expected to further improve their credit management in 2010, but unemployment will hamper the efforts of many Americans to make their credit card payments on time.

Credit card delinquencies are expected to continue falling through next year, but at a much slower rate than in the past two years, according to a prediction from credit reporting agency TransUnion due out Tuesday.

By the end of next year, TransUnion expects 90-day delinquencies on credit cards issued by banks — mostly those bearing MasterCard and Visa logos — to drop to 1.04 percent.

The rate was 1.1 percent in the third quarter of 2009 and is expected to fall to 1.07 percent by the end of this year.

TransUnion uses payments that are three months behind as its predictor of default, because it would be so difficult for struggling consumers to make up those payments.

While the decline predicted for next year is a positive sign, it would be just a fraction of the drop seen over the past two years. Delinquencies peaked in the third quarter of 2006, at 1.42 percent.

TransUnion culls its figures from data found in more than 27 million individual consumer credit reports.

Ezra Becker, director of consulting and strategy in TransUnion’s financial services group, noted that delinquencies lag behind other statistics like the jobless rate. Until more people are back at work, he said, there won’t be any dramatic improvements in payments being made on time.

Arizona, one of the states hardest hit by the mortgage crisis and the recession, is the only state expected to see delinquencies rise next year, to 1.34 percent from a forecast of 1.33 percent for 2009’s fourth quarter. California, Florida, and Nevada — the other states that felt the subprime meltdown the most — are expected to remain on top of the delinquency statistics. North Dakota and South Dakota will most likely continue to have the lowest delinquency rates.

Becker said the credit card reforms that take effect in February will have a “material impact on the credit card industry” next year. He expects it to be harder to access consumer credit as banks keep a tight rein on lending, but predicts new types of cards and other new products will become available as the industry adapts to the rules.

The new regulations “will force lenders to be more innovative in the products that they offer and how they manage customers,” he said.

Comment by Al
2009-12-08 06:36:46

That last para scares me. Lenders, innovative and products in the same sentence. And they ‘manage customers’ do they? Is that code for rip off?

Comment by combotechie
2009-12-08 06:44:24

“And they ‘manage customers’ do they?”

I would say yes.

If they can convince a credit card customer that it is a great idea to stretch the payment of a four-dollar latte over a period of many years - while forking over high interest payments all the way - then I say that is a sign of good customer management.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 07:45:01

‘manage customers’ sounds like a euphemism for ’scam.’

 
Comment by oxide
2009-12-08 08:07:06

I thought innovation was what got us into this mess in the first place. We could do with less innovation.

Comment by DinOR
2009-12-08 09:57:05

Well this is very much in keeping w/ the banker mentality. It’s not ‘their’ fault they did very little checking before dishing out credit left and right for over a decade?

It’s the ‘consumer’s’ fault for not managing their finances! So now virtually any “program” they might have out there, they are now demanding complete disclosure of the borrower’s finances ( funny how they weren’t that interested -before- ) and will tell them what they can and can NOT afford!

In short, the patients are running the asylum.

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-12-08 10:56:23

“The new regulations “will force lenders to be more innovative in the products that they offer and how they manage customers,” he said.”

Much like how “innovative loan products” have helped out the eCONomy during the Bubble years and beyond!

 
 
Comment by packman
2009-12-08 05:51:53

Nice to see how the crisis has contributed to more bank consolidation and more risk.

I’ve said before and I’ll say it again - I honestly don’t think this bubble and even the subsequent crash were an accident. The big banks are making out like bandits, and taking out the competition in the process. Note the graph in the article showing how the top 10 banks in the world have seen their market share grow by a quite huge amount in just the past year - from 60% to 70%. That’s just in two years’ time.

 
Comment by packman
2009-12-08 05:53:56

Nice to see that house flipping is making a comeback.

SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. — Four years after the collapse of the U.S. housing bubble, flipping homes is back in fashion.

Jon Mirmelli, a Phoenix real-estate investor, learned late in the morning of Sept. 28 that a never-occupied custom house on the northern fringes of this Phoenix suburb was going up for auction around noon the same day. The six-bedroom home, built on a three-acre desert plot, has a kitchen with two dishwashers, four ovens, “antibacterial” copper sinks, and a master “spa” bathroom with space for a flat-screen TV visible from the tub.

The minimum bid, as set by a unit of Citigroup Inc., which had a $1.3 million mortgage on the home, was $379,900. After several minutes of bidding among investors and their representatives, some wearing shorts and flip-flops, Mr. Mirmelli won the home for $486,300. A week later, he agreed to sell it for $690,000 to a woman who moved in this month.

Cripes.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 07:40:19

“…house flipping is making a comeback.”

There is a sure sign that the hair-of-the-dog housing market hangover cure is working well.

Comment by DinOR
2009-12-08 08:59:36

Well, good for Jon, and I can’t say that ( in the early going ) I didn’t have similar designs? But there’s an awful lot of risk cooked into that equation. Thankfully ( for him ) it all worked out, but at this point I don’t think anyone but the most sophisticated should be playing this game.

If you were looking for a 2nd home of your ‘own’, then hey, whatever. As a retirement planning strategy..? No thanks.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-12-08 10:58:21

Thank heavens!

For a moment there, I was afraid we’d get an affordable housing market!

 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-12-08 13:51:54

An alcoholic once told me that an alcoholic needs his alcohol, so he asked me to buy him more beers.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 22:46:16

Our alcoholic neighbor used to come buy telling my folks she was ill, and needed some ‘medicine.’ I guess the sick banking sector struggling to recover from a record credit bender likewise needs their hair-of-the-dog medicine?

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Comment by scdave
2009-12-08 09:12:05

Mr. Mirmelli won the home for $486,300. A week later, he agreed to sell it for $690,000 to a woman who moved in this month ??

The wealthy make it on the way up and they make it on the way down…Nothing new here…

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-12-08 09:51:42

I wouldn’t be surprised to eventually learn of a collusive “pipeline” involving appraisers and people in the banks’ property management departments. The property manager gets an appraiser or realtor accomplice to issue a report that sets the house’s value artificially low. The property manager convinces the bank to offer it at that price and the “investor” snaps it up and (they all hope) quickly resells it at a profit, which they all share.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-08 10:07:11

“…he agreed to sell it for $690,000 to a woman …”

If our government could just abduct this woman and clone then mass-produce her, then we would have the makings for a meaningful housing recovey. As good a plan as any I have heard…

Comment by oxide
2009-12-08 11:19:42

Not sure about the woman, but they sure are mass-producing those dollars…

 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2009-12-08 13:55:37

Only if she is hot. Otherwise they could mass produce a bunch of Casey Serins.

 
 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-12-08 06:07:05

Copenhagen’s Hidden Agenda: The Multibillion Trade in Carbon Derivatives

Architect of Credit Default Swaps behind the Development of “Carbon Derivatives”

by Washington’s Blog

Bloomberg notes that the carbon trading scheme will be centered around derivatives.

The banks are preparing to do with carbon what they’ve done before: design and market derivatives contracts that will help client companies hedge their price risk over the long term. They’re also ready to sell carbon-related financial products to outside investors.

[Blythe] Masters says banks must be allowed to lead the way if a mandatory carbon-trading system is going to help save the planet at the lowest possible cost. And derivatives related to carbon must be part of the mix, she says. Derivatives are securities whose value is derived from the value of an underlying commodity — in this case, CO2 and other greenhouse gases…

Who is Blythe Masters?

She is the JP Morgan employee who invented credit default swaps, and is now heading JPM’s carbon trading efforts. As Bloomberg notes, Masters, 40, oversees the New York bank’s environmental businesses as the firm’s global head of commodities…
As a young London banker in the early 1990s, Masters was part of JPMorgan’s team developing ideas for transferring risk to third parties. She went on to manage credit risk for JPMorgan’s investment bank.

Among the credit derivatives that grew from the bank’s early efforts was the credit-default swap.

Some in congress are fighting against carbon derivatives:

“People are going to be cutting up carbon futures, and we’ll be in trouble,” says Maria Cantwell, a Democratic senator from Washington state. “You can’t stay ahead of the next tool they’re going to create.”

Cantwell, 51, proposed in November that U.S. state governments be given the right to ban unregulated financial products. “The derivatives market has done so much damage to our economy and is nothing more than a very-high-stakes casino — except that casinos have to abide by regulations,” she wrote in a press release…

Even George Soros, the billionaire hedge fund operator, says money managers would find ways to manipulate cap-and-trade markets. “The system can be gamed,” Soros, 79, remarked at a London School of Economics seminar in July. “That’s why financial types like me like it — because there are financial opportunities”…

Hedge fund manager Michael Masters, founder of Masters Capital Management LLC, based in St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands [and unrelated to Blythe Masters] says speculators will end up controlling U.S. carbon prices, and their participation could trigger the same type of boom-and-bust cycles that have buffeted other commodities…
The hedge fund manager says that banks will attempt to inflate the carbon market by recruiting investors from hedge funds and pension funds.
“Wall Street is going to sell it as an investment product to people that have nothing to do with carbon,” he says. “Then suddenly investment managers are dominating the asset class, and nothing is related to actual supply and demand. We have seen this movie before.”

Many environmentalists are opposed to cap and trade as well. For example:

Michelle Chan, a senior policy analyst in San Francisco for Friends of the Earth, isn’t convinced.

“Should we really create a new $2 trillion market when we haven’t yet finished the job of revamping and testing new financial regulation?” she asks. Chan says that, given their recent history, the banks’ ability to turn climate change into a new commodities market should be curbed…

“What we have just been woken up to in the credit crisis — to a jarring and shocking degree — is what happens in the real world,” she says…

Friends of the Earth’s Chan is working hard to prevent the banks from adding carbon to their repertoire. She titled a March FOE report “Subprime Carbon?” In testimony on Capitol Hill, she warned, “Wall Street won’t just be brokering in plain carbon derivatives — they’ll get creative.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 07:42:23

Given that financial markets are FUBAR, the notion of using them as a new and improved environmental policy tool seems highly questionable.

Perhaps if antitrust law were enforced in the U.S. banking sector, markets could be restored to properly function once again.

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 07:57:27

The problem is that anti-trust laws by their nature only enforce against true monopolies - they do not generally work against cartels.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 08:01:57

Easily solved: Modify antitrust law so it applies to cartels.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-12-08 09:10:05

Well, look how wildly successful trading energy derivatives worked out for Enron? Not feelin’ it.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-12-08 11:02:24

I said this was going to happen!

Carbon Credits will make the Housing Bubble look sane! They exist - but don’t really exist - and can be set at whatever magical value the crooks decide. Then, they can use extoration to squeeze more money out of the population via taxes, debt, etc. to pay for these magical “carbon credits” (which will do nothing to help the environment) while lining their pockets at every step of the way.

This works even better than the Housing Bubble for 2 reasons:

1) Carbon credits are totally fictional and thus have no real value. With a house, when it crumbles to the ground, the commoners might object to the bank still “valuing” it at $500,000+ But a carbon credit can be worth whatever they say it is worth.

2) Pumping up the Housing Bubble got many people deeply in debt by having housing prices be unaffordably high. But there were still some people (like those of us on this board) who didn’t drink the Kool-aid. But Carbon Credits will fix this and let the banks exploit everyone since everyone buys gas, heats their homes, etc.

 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-12-08 06:11:05

All I want for Christmas are two good comps.

At a dinner party on October 19, 2007 I was pressed for my opinion on where house prices were headed for the preferred class of local housing amongst those in attendance - condos. My answer, “I think we need to be prepared for a drop of fifty percent or more” - was met with chuckles and gasps of “never”, “no”, “not here” - the typical stuff.

That was a way point in my little corner of this epic adventure. A few weeks later another way point came when one of those in attendance sold his unit for $125,000. As it turned out that sale marked the peak as far as I was concerned since his unit was in the same building and same tier as my own. He promptly plowed his gains into a bigger unit, but that’s another story.

Fast forward to yesterday, December 7, 2009, when I learned of the closed sale on another unit in the same tier as mentioned above. Price? $60,000. Other direct comparisons in my neighborhood and my building are just as steep and confirm that the above example is NOT an outlier or aberration.

So there it is, the housing bust in my lap. In trying to give a fair reckoning of my own situation I estimate that my unit is now down 30% to 40% from my summer 2003 purchase price and 50% down from the October 2007 peak transaction. Prices seem headed for the pre-bubble levels of circa 1995. That would mean 60% to 70% off peak.

This information is invaluable to me as it’s concrete evidence of what is occurring and no one can dispute that it’s a “different neighborhood” or “different building” or even a “different unit”. It’ll probably take a while to filter through the collective psyche of my peer group, but those I’ve told so far have had their faces turn ” a whiter shade of pale”.

Comment by combotechie
2009-12-08 06:27:30

The bad news is the price dropped from $125,000 to $60,000, which is a $65,000 decline.

The good news is that it can’t do this again, it can’t drop another $65,000 that is. It can drop the same percent but not the same dollar amount.

Thus the worst is over for your condo friends.

Comment by Al
2009-12-08 06:39:29

“Thus the worst is over for your condo friends.”

Unless the building starts clearing out and the condo association has to increase fees on the survivors. My glass is half empty today.

 
Comment by 2banana
2009-12-08 06:58:23

Condos/houses can have a negative net worth. Look at all the detroit houses they can not sell for $1. If are still fees, upkeep, taxes, homeowners dues, etc. that have to be paid which may be more expensive than renting a similar place.

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-08 07:04:02

That is correct. I predict that before this is over, there will be houses for sale with an asking price of $0 accross the nation. I also am keeping my precition of DOW 1500.

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Comment by ACH
2009-12-08 07:53:10

Hey press,
I was given a “free puppy” by one of my students a few years ago. Now, my family has grown to love that idiot dog. However, I accepted this dog with the realization that there are no “free puppies”. I was obliged to pay $160 for a vet visit upon being awarded this “free puppy.”

There is also no free real estate even at $0.

Roidy

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-12-08 09:12:56

ACH,

( I learned that the hard way about “free boats” as well )

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-08 09:49:41

My point exacly Roidy, With the $0 asking price, you have back property taxes, HOA fees, and various other liens just to get in. There will be no buyer even at that price. We just have not gotten there yet. Getting there is what it will take for this to be declared over. A house of cards must completly collapse before it can be rebuilt. This tower of cards is still in the collapsing phase. FED/gov is making us watch it in slo-mo.

 
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-12-08 17:49:53

And “free” horses.

Don’t even get me started……..

 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2009-12-08 08:14:46

There’s plenty of RE in FL (condos primarily) that have a negative value. You can rent the condo for less than the price of insurance/taxes and HOA/maint. The one wildcard in all that is the FL tax system. In many cases, the biggest number (and what’s pushing the unit’s value negative) is the RE taxes, which are based on the sale price of the unit.

So, if a unit last sold for 500K, it now has a 10K tax bill associated with it. If it sells tomorrow for 50K, it has a 0 (or near 0) tax bill associated with it. The 10K swing in yearly expenses has a HUGE impact on the negative valuation of these properties. However, it’s a balance, as the prices creep up, the taxes also go nuts again. FLs system (Save Our Homes) as much as I hate it, may actually prove useful for further depressing RE prices.

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Comment by scdave
2009-12-08 09:17:10

the worst is over for your condo friends ??

Hell…How much “worst” can it get :)

 
Comment by Mugsy
2009-12-08 12:12:28

“The good news is that it can’t do this again, it can’t drop another $65,000 that is”

What if the condo is in Detroit and there are tax liens?

 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2009-12-08 06:38:47

You know, I really thought that when house prices collapsed I would be happy. And from a financial aspect, I am happy. But the joy I thought I would feel from “being right” has been largely overshadowed by the pain I feel from seeing other people suffer. I so wish people had listened to what I (and others) had to say during the bubble, had they sold/not bought their lives would be very different today.

I just didn’t expect it to impact people as deeply as it has (I don’t really know why I didn’t expect it, I understood the magnitude of what was happening); people’s lives (and not just scumsucking RE agents and MTG brokers) have been damaged/destroyed by this bubble, and, if they aren’t willing to walk, will feel the pain of this for a decade or more.

Hopefully the collective psyche will change from this, and people will be more wary of get rich quick schemes like the housing bubble and Internet .COM boom. I’m not holding my breath, but, after being SO burned 2X in a row within a decade, I’m hopeful that maybe we’ve finally learned a lesson.

Comment by Rancher
2009-12-08 07:47:44

I hear you Michael.

What I see are pickup trucks loaded to the gunnals pulling a over loaded trailer going down
the highway. I wonder where they’re going and
what awaits them and if it will be better than
what they’re leaving behind. Empty eyed men
hunched over the wheel with the dogs sitting beside them and the wife following behind in
her car pulling another small trailer.

I see this scene or variations on it almost every day. No pride here, just a sense of quiet unease
even though we saw this coming and prepared.

Behold the pale horse.

Comment by oxide
2009-12-08 08:12:26

Whoh, that sounds like something out of The Grapes of Wrath. By any chance, are they southbound?

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Comment by Rancher
2009-12-08 08:32:21

Don’t know. Just going through town headed
for the freeway. The number of panhandlers
seems to be increasing and the cardboard signs are showing more creativity, and they all have dogs.

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2009-12-08 09:02:10

So that’s where some of the Salt Lake panhandlers winter over? Most of them left in the past month as the weather got too cold. You can set your calendar by their return with the first robin of spring.

Don’t know where they picked up the dogs, though.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-12-08 09:17:25

iftheshoefits,

I’ve maintained that for years. When I worked in downtown Portland, you’d see them return in droves in the spring after spending the winter in warmer climes.

That’s why I’ve always insisted that this is ( in our particulary instance ) an “I-5 Corridor Problem” as ‘that’ is the conduit they are working. After wearing out their welcome in PDX or SEA etc. they bug out after racking up tickets etc.

And this is why we can’t get ( or more importantly ‘keep’ ) them in re-hab. Until we address their mobility, we can’t really address their substance abuse. IMHO.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-08 10:40:38

“…Until we address their mobility, we can’t really address their substance abuse.” ;-)

My concern: ;-)

Wall Street Guru’s:
“…Until we address their mindset, we can’t really address their substance abuse.”

 
 
Comment by scdave
2009-12-08 09:51:58

Hey Rancher…Got your longjohns on ?? :)

What you discribe above is the face of and the sad reality of a recession the size of which we are witnessing right now…You and I have gone through a number of these…I think we still learn something each time but for many, including some on our board here, this is their first experience, as adults, with this severe a downturn…

I have told all three of my adult children (29-31) that;

#1..You will never forget this period you are going through..You will tell stories to your grandchildren about the first century after 2000…

#2..Some of the people you know and others that you meet throughout your lives will “never” recover from this downturn…

#3..And lastly, this event will teach you lessons that all the history of past downturns I could have told you about could never have taught…

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Comment by Rancher
2009-12-08 12:29:58

SCDave
You’re preaching to the choir here. One
thing to remember with the young ones; they only know their world. A 21 year old knows only his personal history and a mental history of maybe 10 years so, what they relate to is only a small slice of our’s.

Plus, this recession is going to be a duzzzie, morphing into a depression which
is going to make the 1st look like a mild
recession..JMHO. I tell people that where
they stand right now, this very instance, is
the best time of their lives, because from here on out it’s going to get worse.

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-08 07:58:27

Michael Fink …Funny, when I found out about the lending during the boom I immediately visualized all that is happening ,except I didn’t
see this level of bail-outs to the wrong parties . I saw a Great Depression and I have been walking on egg shells from the time I found out about the faulty lending .

For the crazy lending to come about in the first place meant to me that a Corrupt Power had taken over and had destroyed all check and balances.

Comment by DinOR
2009-12-08 09:22:11

Housing Wizard,

And then.., depression sets in. Right, the minute I finally figured out what CDS’s were, I kind of sensed it was over.

What “I” can’t figure out ( other than owning gold or shorting the market! ) what ‘you’ as an individual was supposed to ‘do’ about any of it? I ‘thought’ I played everything right, ( sold home in 2004 ) hunkered down and ramped up savings.., but how has any of that helped me?

We’re surrounded by cries of “Bring out yer’ dead” on a daily basis. Is this just a ‘morale’ issue? What’s to celebrate?

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Comment by aNYCdj
2009-12-08 11:01:12

DinOR:

I could have hunkered down even more if I moved into my moms basement last year….but I think that would have been much worse off emotionally then struggling and posting here.

I’ve gotten a lot of free stuff on CL most i have fixed and resold on ebay. 5 companies I did last years holiday parties have gone out of business or downsized so much they can only afford to have a party in their office with an ipod.

Another thing that worries me, is my list of references are dwindling due to this, companies close, the people who hired me move, contacts change, you just lose track I used to have quite a few companies that did 2-3 parties a year summer BBQ, maybe an awards retirement dinner then the holiday party…

I really hate the way it feels to be pushed out of a “job” i like doing and a lot of it may not come back. At least i am not the only one other DJ’s in the midwest are worse off 1 posted last night in 2007 he had 23 holiday parties last year 6 this year 1
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We’re surrounded by cries of “Bring out yer’ dead” on a daily basis. Is this just a ‘morale’ issue? What’s to celebrate?

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-12-08 11:55:25

“they can only afford to have a party in their office with an ipod”

LOL! Whoopie, sounds like ’so’ much fun. Yeah, and now we all get to deal with their constant reminders of: “Good Lord man! ( Don’t you know there’s a WAR on!?! )”

And I just can’t deal with them any more. Over the years ( as I imagine many here are equally adept ) I’ve -always- been able to talk my way out of an overdraft charge, parking ticket, speeing ticket.., whatever. No more. All of a sudden everyone’s re-discovered frugality and the REAL ‘empowerment” ( No.., not the Internet ) the pure ability and lost art of negotiation.

The other painful aspect is that just about anyone w/ whom you have any kind of a business relationship is throwing agreements under the bus. Services that used to be “included” now have all kinds of strings attached. And people aren’t exactly falling all over themselves apologizing over it either? Sad state of affairs my friend.

 
Comment by oxide
2009-12-08 12:11:40

I think the saddest part is that this is the only way for these people to survive. I read about the small business owner who would love to hire Americans to make the product, but simply can’t because the competition moved production to China.* So, it’s either move your business to China or have no business at all. You have no choice but to join the race to the bottom.

I read that one of the only ways for a company to survive is to get its product into Wal*Mart. Of course then Wal*mart ramps up its lowprice thuggery, and presto, your jobs went to China and got stuff full of lead. And the selection of anything just shrinks and shrinks… [the article used toys as an example. I'd bet that electronics is next.]

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-12-08 17:26:11

Thanks DinOR….

Sad state of affairs my friend.

Heck we will only lose $30 billyun on auto bailouts…I could have used a few thousand of that

http://detnews.com/article/20091208/AUTO01/912080414/Obama-administration-predicts-30B-loss-on-auto-bailout

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-08 10:06:36

“…from the time I found out about the faulty lending”

Ha, “faulty lending” provided by: “Fawlty Towers” …Me thinks John Cleese would make a wonderful Fed Chairman. :-)

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Comment by michael
2009-12-08 08:27:59

“And from a financial aspect, I am happy. But the joy I thought I would feel from “being right” has been largely overshadowed by the pain I feel from seeing other people suffer.”

some if not most of them are hard to feel sorry for…it would be like feeling sorry for Peter Griffin and the consequences of his antics.

Comment by DinOR
2009-12-08 09:30:26

michael,

And I’ve struggled with that too. To my way of thinking, some fared better than others? When gauging say the FL FB’s, they had the “first mover advantage” in that they saw the writing on the wall, “put their home up for sale” and moved down the block to a nicer, newer, bigger home for way less money!

Then… ( as we long predicted ) they simply let their “listed” home slide into foreclosure. Taking advantage of the system every step of the way. So no, those people I don’t feel sorry for. But by the time the implosion reached the PNW, uh… the banks were getting pretty savvy on getting stiffed so a lot of those playground antics just weren’t available to people ‘here’.

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Comment by Bungalowball
2009-12-08 07:16:21

edgewaterJohn,

I’m curious: How do assessments run in your neck of the woods?

I remember noticing some high rises in Chicago (and I’m sure it happens elsewhere) where the assessments+taxes were greater than rent on similarly sized low-rise apartments in the same neighborhood.

Comment by Bungalowball
2009-12-08 07:32:01

oops, similar not just in size, but also in general niceness. not talking about “luxury” highrises here, just basic older ones that have been around for decades and seem kind of tired.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-12-08 10:43:04

Assessments run quite high in my neighborhood, which is primarily 60s era high rises. A generalization would be ~$200/ mo. for studios and then ~$350 and ~$550 for one and two bdrms. Parking is an additional ~$100 per month.

I have learned, the hard way, that these buildings have notoriously bad plumbing and heating systems. Worse still, no two are alike. It seems that back then each building was an experiment in design and technique. They all incorporate different materials too - and some exteriors entail very high maintenance costs.

So, getting a grip on carrying costs is quite difficult. For instance, one building a few blocks north of me has electric heat. I’m told that monthly ComEd bills there can be in the hundreds of dollars per unit! Each building requires its own research - or at least that’s what I realize now.

Based on the latest info I have regarding my own building, a few investment owners have just crossed over to having gators to feed. Rents have been surprisingly sticky in my neighborhood, but that now appears to be changing. That’s why this thing has room to run, so far the price declines have largely occurred without the additional pressure of falling rents.

As for smaller condos, I already have a series of stories from friends who have been slammed with special assessments for roofing, tuckpointing, and HVAC. Day in and day out, those smaller buildings are indeed much less costly to carry, but unless one has the discipline to maintain their own reserve - they can be a disaster.

So in hindsight, I would not have bought a unit in a smaller building - instead I would have rented.

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-12-08 14:29:43

As for smaller condos, I already have a series of stories from friends who have been slammed with special assessments for roofing, tuckpointing, and HVAC. Day in and day out, those smaller buildings are indeed much less costly to carry, but unless one has the discipline to maintain their own reserve - they can be a disaster.

I owned a condo in a vintage eight-flat for five years, and I can back up your story. My assessments at the time were quite low (@ $130-150, depending on the year), and included water, common utils., and a cable TV package. The reserve was decent for a building of its size, but it was wiped out by some major plumbing issues shortly after I moved out. Similarly, the condo building (built in ‘05) next to my current apartment was re-pointed last year, and had other masonry issues corrected as well. I don’t know what their final bill was, but there was definitely a large special assessment.

 
 
 
 
Comment by eudemon
2009-12-08 19:34:31

Edgewater-

Are you in that Pepto Bismol-pink complex off Foster?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 06:14:08

Bank of America: 2/3 of Borrowers May Lose Government Mods. ~ CNBC

Tomorrow the House Financial Services Committee, under the leadership of Chmn. Barney Frank, will grill mortgage servicers as members examine the “response to the mortgage foreclosure crisis.” This is all about how banks are converting all those trial modifications under the government’s Home Affordable Modification Program into permanent modifications.

Today, as a little precursor, the servicers were called over to Treasury for some browbeating and sandwiches, sorry, “to discuss the urgent need to convert eligible homeowners in trial modifications to permanent modifications,” according to a Treasury spokesperson.

After the meeting, I sat down with Jack Schakett, of Bank of America He used to be chief of operations at Countrywide, which B of A inhaled after the crash of the banking system as we know it. Now Mr. Schakett is “credit loss mitigation strategies executive” at B of A.

Mr. Schakett told me that of the 65 thousand trial modifications set to expire Dec. 31st with B of A, a full two thirds of the borrowers, while current on their payments, have not submitted the full documentation required to turn a trial mod permanent under the HAMP guidelines.

“We don’t really know the major reason why the customers are not returning the documentation,” Schakett claims. Well I can tell you why (and I’m sure he knows this too). The trial modification process only requires oral verification of income to begin, but to go permanent, you need to prove your income, submit your tax returns, and basically come clean with all your finances. I’m guessing a lot of folks who took out their initial loans with false or non-existent documentation, aren’t eager to let the government know that.

 
Comment by eastcoaster
2009-12-08 06:38:03

There’s a house going up for auction Saturday. Cape cod, in a good neighborhood and in the school district I want to stay in.

Original owner - little old lady - died a year ago. Her family was very distraught and spent the last year going through her items and, I guess, deciding what to do. Looks like they went auction route (why would someone do that as opposed to putting on the market?).

The general rules of the auction are: Inspection allowed 1 hour prior to auction; Winning bidder will need to have $5000 cash or certified check that day; 10% of final price to be paid to auctioneer. I feel like this is waaaaaay over my head. I asked my realtor if he had any experience in house auctions and he does not - so no help.

Does anyone have any insight to share?

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-12-08 07:35:59

In case you missed it last night Why BA fired me for giving good customer service:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5E0WNO7e_Q

 
Comment by X-philly
2009-12-08 07:44:13

Inspection allowed 1 hour prior to auction;

This doesn’t allow for a proper inspection done by a professional.
And it’s not SOP, I’ve seen houses up for auction that schedule two or three open houses ahead of time. So you can bring your guy in with clipboard, etc. to get an idea of what’s wrong with the abode.

Is there a reserve?

Why would they go this route - it could be that they think they’ll get a higher price when they auction due to some FBs getting caught up in bidding fever.

Comment by exeter
2009-12-08 12:25:47

heh…. house inspection and professional doesn’t belong in the same sentence.

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-12-08 07:45:17

I’ll bet they know something you don’t know so they can get a higher price.

If they had 2-3 inspections done and you can read them before hand, then it could be a great deal.

I’ll bet it will look clean and pretty when you see it.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-12-08 07:50:01

My suggestion is to do as much online research as you can about these auctions. You can just google various aspects of the business, etc.

Then, instead of using a realtor, use an attorney who understands these auctions. Or do a google search for a realtor in your area who participates in these.

Bring a certified check with you, as specified. But again, do your research, you don’t just want to hand over a certified check to some company that may take off with it and never be heard from again. It also helps to get your financing lined up. The 10% of final price to the auctioneer comes from the entity who puts the property up for auction, or it is supposed to, out of the proceeds that the winning bidder pays. If they are trying to get it from you, forget it. Of course, ultimately it does come from you, out of what you pay for the property. But if they ask you to give them a “buyer’s premium” up front, I’d walk

 
Comment by Jim A.
2009-12-08 07:58:24

Conceivably, you could bring a professional inspector with you, but 1 hour isn’t alot of time. Look at the other rules as well. For the auction two doors down from me the seller had the right to accept or decline the bid with 30 days. After that, the buyer had fixed period of time* to come up with funding.

*15 days? 45 days? I don’t remember.

 
Comment by Asparagus
2009-12-08 08:15:39

I saw a major novice mistake once at an auction. Here’s what happened:

Two couples bidding on a house. Auctioneer starts the auction, “Bidding will be in increments of $50k”

Bidding starts, 50K, 100K… it gets to $350k and stalls.
Auctioneer, then says, “350 once, 350 twice, come on people….anyone for $400k”
A young couple blurts out “$360k”.

The auctioneer then says, “Sorry, we’re only doing bids of $50K”. At this point,the couple looks at each other and say “400k”. (it was a real “Susan researched it” kind of a look)

This is the unbelievable part:

The auctioneer then says “400K going once, twice, three, times…NOW BIDDING WILL GO TO $25K increments” , Then he said Now $10k increments, $5k…. At which point the young couple’s nearly pee’d themselves along with everyone in the room.

You should definitely go to as many as you can between now and whenever the house you’re interested in sells.

Comment by eastcoaster
2009-12-08 08:22:36

Good story. And exactly why I have no business getting involved in an auction. The auction in question is this Saturday 12/12. Notice (via a sign) went up in the front yard of the house on 12/4. Seems such short notice.

I emailed the auction house with a few questions (why not more time for inspection, is there a reserver, anticipated # of bidders if known, why is the house being auctioned), but I’m certain I will be sitting this out.

Oh, and, it is specified that the buyer pay the 10% to the auctioneer at settlement. Following all the advice above, too many red flags.

Comment by Asparagus
2009-12-08 08:53:51

I should add the caveat that, while the auctioneer definitely earned his money that day, I think the couple got a good deal. It just probably would have been nice to pay $40k less for the place.

On a side note, my wife and I have found, after hundreds of home tours and open houses, homes owned by little old ladies tend to be in fantastic shape., usually outdated, but just really well maintained.

If you have the time, I’d say get the bank check and go. You don’t want to end up kicking yourself…..

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Comment by Jim A.
2009-12-08 09:06:26

Well it is an interesting enough process that if you are even considering buying at auction, you should go and see what the process looks like.

 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-12-08 09:33:04

eastcoaster,

Right, an ‘auction’ isn’t something you want to win? Look everybody! I was willing to pay -more- than anyone else!

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Comment by Jim A.
2009-12-08 12:50:03

Yeah, but the same is true any time you buy a house.

 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2009-12-08 11:35:09

Novices get totally sucked up into the excitement of the auction. Watch a few first. You can also pick up info. from online auction sites which offer FAQs of what to do and not to do.
Not sure that you can’t get stuck with liens on the property also.

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Comment by Jim A.
2009-12-08 12:48:11

Well you certainly can and should pay for a title search before bidding on a property, hopefully that would pick up any extant leins. Which brings up the fact that many of the things (inspection, title search etc.) that are typically required by a mortgage lender you should probably arrange on your own, becuase my understanding is that most auctions aren’t contingent on getting financing. That 10% down is gone gone gone if you can’t arrange financing, and the seller may try to take you to court for the rest.*

*Of course courts are loathe to enforce “specific compliance,” in a case like this, but YMMV and this is not legal advice.

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-12-08 08:26:04

Guess $400K was the reserve price…oh well

 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2009-12-08 10:37:16

I went to a few auctions here in Miami. A waste of time. You get better deals dealing with banks (ie. their agents) directly. I’ve seen idiots getting into a bidding frenzy paying $60-70K for some house that needs to be bulldozed. I looked at about a dozen houses the weekend before going. To top it off, some of those houses were in crack city. They essentially are worth $0. You won’t be able to collect rent on them and you certainly don’t want to live in them.
At the time I was wondering if these people actually knew what exactly they were bidding on. Did they know how bad a n’hood the house was located in? Did they know that the roof was leaking, the copper pipes and wires had been stripped out the walls? Did they know the yard was used as a dump site? Did they know that light fixtures, switches and even the kitchen sink were gone? It seemed they just got caught up in the frenzy trying to outbid everybody else no matter what. It was bizarre.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 06:44:47

Global Warming: ‘Fixing the Climate Data Around the Policy’
The Multibillion-Dollar carbon-trading System

The carbon-trading system is a multibillion money-making bonanza for the financial establishment. The stakes are extremely high and the various lobby groups on behalf of Wall Street have already positioned themselves.

According to a recent report, “the carbon market could become double the size of the vast oil market, according to the new breed of City players who trade greenhouse gas emissions through the EU’s emissions trading scheme… The speed of that growth will depend on whether the Copenhagen summit gives a go-ahead for a low-carbon economy, but Ager says whatever happens schemes such as the ETS will expand around the globe.” (Terry Macalister, Carbon trading could be worth twice that of oil in next decade, The Guardian, 28 November 2009)

The large financial conglomerates, involved in derivative trade, including JP Morgan Chase, Bank America Merrill Lynch, Barclay’s, Citi Bank, Nomura, Société Générale, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs are actively involved in carbon trading. (FACTBOX: Investment banks in carbon trading | Reuters, 14 September 2009)

The legitimacy of the carbon-trading system rests on the legitimacy of the Global-Warming Consensus, which views CO2 emissions as the single threat to the environment. And for Wall Street the carbon-trading system is a convenient and secure money-making safety-net, allowing for the transfer of billions of dollars into the pockets of a handful of conglomerates.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/chossudovsky2.1.1.html

Comment by GH
2009-12-08 07:55:13

Sounds like a scheme to drive energy prices sky high, under the guise true or not of global warming.

Wait 5 years till smaller companies not so well positioned to “negotiate” health fees and carbon fees are forced out of business in huge numbers, and by small I mean less than 250 employees.

Health reform and carbon reform IMO will salt the wounds of our economy, but we all seem pretty apathetic eh?

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2009-12-08 10:02:02

But we’re doing it for the children. And the polar bears. And the Wall Street banksters.

Comment by SaladSD
2009-12-08 15:52:16
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Comment by SaladSD
2009-12-09 00:18:55

http://mediamatters.org/blog/200912080002

too funny…..outing scientists for manipulating data by manipulating data….

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 07:13:14

Bank of America: 2/3 of Borrowers May Lose Government Mods.
Diana Olick ~ CNBC Real Estate

Tomorrow the House Financial Services Committee, under the leadership of Chmn. Barney Frank, will grill mortgage servicers as members examine the “response to the mortgage foreclosure crisis.” This is all about how banks are converting all those trial modifications under the government’s Home Affordable Modification Program into permanent modifications.

Today, as a little precursor, the servicers were called over to Treasury for some browbeating and sandwiches, sorry, “to discuss the urgent need to convert eligible homeowners in trial modifications to permanent modifications,” according to a Treasury spokesperson.

After the meeting, I sat down with Jack Schakett, of Bank of America. He used to be chief of operations at Countrywide, which B of A inhaled after the crash of the banking system as we know it. Now Mr. Schakett is “credit loss mitigation strategies executive” at B of A.

Mr. Schakett told me that of the 65 thousand trial modifications set to expire Dec. 31st with B of A, a full two thirds of the borrowers, while current on their payments, have not submitted the full documentation required to turn a trial mod permanent under the HAMP guidelines.

“We don’t really know the major reason why the customers are not returning the documentation,” Schakett claims. Well I can tell you why (and I’m sure he knows this too). The trial modification process only requires oral verification of income to begin, but to go permanent, you need to prove your income, submit your tax returns, and basically come clean with all your finances. I’m guessing a lot of folks who took out their initial loans with false or non-existent documentation, aren’t eager to let the government know that.

Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 07:46:53

Pardon the double post.

Comment by combotechie
2009-12-08 07:50:38

“Pardon the double post.”

Not a problem.

Comment by combotechie
2009-12-08 07:53:32

“‘Pardon the double post.”

Not a problem.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2009-12-08 08:15:31

“We don’t really know the major reason why the customers are not returning the documentation,” Schakett claims.

Ooooh, ooooh, ooooh, I do, I do.

About a week ago I posted a story about a lawyer I know who was advised by another lawyer to not make his mortgage payment for a few months and then write the bank a letter in crayon with tears on it about why he couldn`t make the payments on the house he paid $300,000 for that is now worth $200,000. If he needs to prove his income and submit his tax returns they would find out that he can not only make the mortgage payments but continue to send his kids to private school and drive nice cars.

Comment by DinOR
2009-12-08 09:49:21

jeff saturday,

Right, and take vacations you and I can’t afford? Still, I think there -are- cases where the mods/cramdowns would be justified.

Yet, if you LIED on your loan app. then I guess your little free ride is just about over?

Comment by jeff saturday
2009-12-08 10:20:24

” a full two thirds of the borrowers, while current on their payments, have not submitted the full documentation required”

That`s about right, 66% are liars, 33% are f#`d buyers and 1% are in 3rd grade.

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Comment by oxide
2009-12-08 12:21:38

The cramdown amendment in the House allows cramming in the context of bankruptcy court, with a BK judge who would demand full doc. I can’t imagine that there will be rooms full of fresh-faced rubes handing out cramdowns they way they handed out mortgages.

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Comment by In Montana
2009-12-08 15:24:18

So they’re making too much money or not enough?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 07:20:37

Board to Propose More Flexible Accounting Rules for Banks.

Facing political pressure to abandon “fair value” accounting for banks, the chairman of the board that sets American accounting standards will call Tuesday for the “decoupling” of bank capital rules from normal accounting standards.

His proposal would encourage bank regulators to make adjustments as they determine whether banks have adequate capital while still allowing investors to see the current fair value — often the market value — of bank loans and other assets.

In the prepared text of a speech planned for a conference in Washington, Robert H. Herz, the chairman of the Financial Accounting Standards Board, called on bank regulators to use their own judgment in allowing banks to move away from Generally Accepted Accounting Principles, or GAAP, which his board sets.

“Handcuffing regulators to GAAP or distorting GAAP to always fit the needs of regulators is inconsistent with the different purposes of financial reporting and prudential regulation,” Mr. Herz said in the prepared text.

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-12-08 08:38:01

Regulators are already doing what Herz suggests they do — ignore accounting rules. FASB lost the financial accounting battle. Without proper accounting, there is absolutely no way to know if your cash is safe in a bank.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-08 12:11:49

Bad now means good. Minus signs no longer mean deficiency, but now mean double-plus good when in front of a number. Unless the number is on an IRS document with your name at the top. Then pay.

 
Comment by polly
2009-12-08 14:24:01

The headline on this is awful.

If you read it carefully, the FASB guys is saying that the accountants have to use their existing rules for GAAP, period. That is how they will audit banks and all other companies - as they should. If the regulators want to give the banks a break on their reserve requirements during a time of crisis, go ahead and do it, but do it after we have reported the GAAP numbers. We aren’t going to change GAAP to hide the real value of the reserves.

This is a great idea. It is called transparency. Make the regulators admit explicitly when they are fiddling the requirements. Put it in the audited financial statements.

For example, “According to GAAP our bank has $10 of reserves. However, the regulators are allowing us to call that $10, $10M so we are not expecting a visit from the FDIC soon. Please feel safe putting your money into our bank and buying our publicly traded shares. Pretty please with sugar on top.”

I love it.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-08 07:37:05

We have the wrong mix these days .

What do I mean by this ?

Examples :

(1) We mix legal with illegal labor in this country .
(2)We mix American labor with outsourced labor and competition with
slave labor World wide .
(3)Wall Street will mix unregulated systems of investment (gambling/high leverage )with regulated systems of gambling .
(4) Health care Industry mixes government funding(Medicare ) with Private Health Company monopolies tied to employers .
(5) We mix no usury laws with consumer protection laws rendering
protection for consumers void because they can still gouge .
(6) Politicians mix justice with lack of justice rendering Law and Order
a joke .
(7) Politicians mix contract law with retroactive null and void contract law ,rendering Contract Law something meaningless .
(8) Powers mix transparency with lack of transparency rendering any
transparency silly because the hidden facts change all facts .

One thing that enables the Powers to thrive is that whatever meaningful reform that comes on the table is undermined by the mix that won’t fix the problems that enables the Power Elite to continue with the same old games . The great middle class and upper middle class has no more to fleece ,but that doesn’t stop the POWERS from wanting to transfer their mistakes to this group that can no longer prosper under
the Corrupt rigged systems of a stacked deck in favor of the Fat Cats .

Comment by GH
2009-12-08 08:04:47

This is what happens when you try and keep all the people happy all the time. Except now the people have lost all their rights, and the corporations and organizations large and powerful enough to hoard money call the shots. Guess what? The calls are in their favor and not ours!

Comment by DinOR
2009-12-08 12:00:24

GH/HW,

Now just imagine how easily manageable all of the Boomers etc. would have been had they kept their pensions/ret. accts. intact? Their housing values ever prospering? Hell, we wouldn’t have been able to get them out of bed, let alone to the polls or up in arms?

Maybe this meltdown is a good thing? ( I know “I” am p!ssed as hell! )

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 07:43:43

What happened to the HBB’s pet troll? Is it that we weren’t feeding him enough?

Comment by ACH
2009-12-08 08:07:29

Oh, you mean Eddie? He was caught, filleted, fried, and served up with coleslaw, cornbread, and a tall, cold beer.
Roidy

Comment by Bungalowball
2009-12-08 08:38:54

trollslaw?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-08 09:59:15

lol, good one!

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Comment by exeter
2009-12-08 12:16:56

EddieTard got his empty skulled handed to him after yammering on about how a $120k house is low end. I shut him down when I provided a link of a newer 6000sq ft $300k house in Atlanta that sold in March 2009 for $700k.

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2009-12-08 13:44:36

I hope Eddie tells us if he bought the $579K McMansion. I hope he puts a lot down - he was talking about getting a jumbo loan.

 
 
 
 
Comment by james
2009-12-08 11:19:16

I dunnno. He was trumpeting that employment report for a little while. Of course the goberment report is badly at odds with ADP report.

Seems the private groups are estimating 100K+ jobs lost vs the reported 11k by the gvt.

Must be getting pretty bad if the government is cooking the books that badly.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2009-12-08 07:46:59

Cramdown returns to Congress…

From Mandelman Matters. Warning, this blog has a lib bias, which I tried to filter out. But this blog post has some good info, and a link to the actual amendment.

Amendment Allowing Judges to Modify Mortgages to be Included in H.R. 4173 – Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act

(Mandelman) An amendment allowing judges to modify mortgages on primary residences for homeowners in bankruptcy will finally find a home as part of the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (H.R. 4173).

The amendment, which is being offered by Representatives Conyers (D, MI), Turner (R, OH), Lofgren (D, CA), Marshall (D, GA), Cohen (D, TN), Miller (D, NC), Nadler (D, NY), Delahunt (D, MA) and Waters (D, CA), is potentially the best news homeowners and our economy have had in quite some time.

The amendment is essentially the same as H.R. 1106, a bill passed by the House on March 5, 2009, by a vote of 234-191, but subsequently defeated in the Senate by a vote of 51-45.

Okay, so what are we talking about? We’re talking about a reform to the bankruptcy code that will allow judges to modify a mortgage on a homeowner’s primary residence so they can keep paying for it, as opposed to the home being foreclosed on, and therefore serving to lower the value of all the other homes in the neighborhood. Bankruptcy judges are already allowed to modify just about any other type of loan, and this new rule would expand that power to primary residences. Seems pretty straight forward, doesn’t it?

And here’s the real truth of the matter: If judges are allowed to modify mortgages in bankruptcy, they’d likely never be given the chance… the banks would modify the loans themselves, again… like they’re supposed to, remember.

H.R. 4173, the Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act will be considered by the full House of Representatives beginning this Wednesday, December 9th.
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I’ll post the linky in a moment.

Comment by oxide
2009-12-08 07:57:34

Linky. http://tinyurl.com/yjbo3kk

Also note that cramdown will only be part of a BK, decided by the BK judge on a case-by-case basis And if Congress is changing the original BK laws, shouldn’t that take care of Ben’s concerns about contract law.

Although, I doubt this thing is going to pass…

 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-12-08 08:34:37

“Will allow judges to modify a mortgage on a homeowner’s primary residence so they can keep paying for it, as opposed to the home being foreclosed on, and therefore serving to lower the value of all the other homes in the neighborhood.”

If current owners are holding out for bubble pricing against young first time buyers, do foreclosure sales lower prices or merely reveal them?

Comment by Skip
2009-12-08 09:22:05

And, how will a BK Judge know what value to lower the house to?

Will it be based on the income of the owner or comps in the neighborhood?

 
Comment by oxide
2009-12-08 09:26:55

WT, that was the one part that I disagreed with. I like the Judge part, I like the primary residence part, and I like the BK part. But it sounds like the modified value would not be available as a comp. However, that sentence — “opposed to…lower the value of the other homes in the neighborhood” — the interpretation of the blogger, not part of the law. So I don’t know how this would affect prices. I don’t think it matters, as this probably won’t pass the Senate anyway.

Comment by Jim A.
2009-12-08 12:54:46

Isn’t whether the cramdown is considered a comp made by the appraisers and the people hiring them? Now I don’t think that they should be considered a comp since they represent a judicial estimate rather than an arms length transaction, but I don’t think that judges can determine whether OTHER people are looking at them.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 07:51:46

The environmental wackos at the EPA seem hell bent on driving a final stake through the heart of the U.S. economy. At the culmination of three decades of environmental extremism, they just might succeed in their mission.

EPA CO2 Decision Cheered And Jeered
December 8, 2009 7:54 a.m. EST
David Goodhue - AHN Reporter

Washington, DC (AHN) - The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency declared carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases dangerous to the public health, a move that could let the Obama administration regulate CO2 even if a measure to do so in Congress fails.

The move was also seen as a signal that the Obama administration takes climate change seriously as world nations meet in Copenhagen to discuss efforts to reduce emissions of certain gases that many scientists say are responsible for global warming.

The EPA said in a statement that greenhouse gases “are the primary driver of climate change, which can lead to hotter, longer heat waves that threaten the health of the sick, poor or elderly; increase ground-level ozone pollution linked to asthma and other respiratory illnesses; as well as other threats to the health and welfare of Americans.”

Industry groups and those skeptical of the science behind the theory of climate change were quick to criticize the decision, especially in light of the historical economic recession and the leak of e-mails that suggest some climate change data may have been manipulated.

“This action poses a threat to every American family and business it leads to the regulation of greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act,” American Petroleum Institute President Jack Gerard said in a statement. “It could chill job growth and delay business expansion.”

Gerard questioned the timing of the EPA decision.

“There was no compelling deadline that forced EPA’s hand on this decision. It is a decision that is clearly politically motivated to coincide with the start of the Copenhagen climate summit,” he said.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 08:00:43

I guess we are actually coming up on the four decade mark (I am losing count…).

 
Comment by GH
2009-12-08 08:08:46

Dig around a bit on this, and I think you will find that the man behind the curtain in this case is the big nuclear industry. They appear to have been working in the background quietly for some time now to stage a comeback. I am unsure how cap & trade effects big oil, but I am sure they will be well taken care of.

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 08:40:08

To what entity or entities do you specifically refer? I’m not aware of what the “big nuke” entities are - perhaps you can educate us.

Most of the entities that build equipment used for nuclear power - GE, Westinghouse, Shaw, etc., also do other various forms of power equipment, so while some do have some to gain, it certainly isn’t as much as the financial companies that will be managing these derivatives.

Let’s make sure we point the finger at the right bogeyman. I generally have no problem with energy companies making profits from a shift to nuclear power. It’s their business. I do, however, have a big problem with financial companies making profits from it; it’s not their business.

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-12-08 15:48:12

Got a call from a friend & former coworker, no with one of the big nuke design firms, a couple days ago, just to chat. He knew I used to be in one of other the big nuke design firms, wanted to know if I was interested.

So I asked how things were going before finding out more. His response was the fossil line was laying off people left and right while the nuke side was hiring people left and right. So no thanks.

(This firm is known as a place quick to hire and even faster to fire in the industry…so it isn’t that shocking…but still…)

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Comment by packman
2009-12-08 20:22:21

Sounds like you rejected it based on principle. I’m confused though - exactly what principle? You prefer to be in dying industries? Not exactly the best financial philosophy.

 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 08:21:39

“There was no compelling deadline that forced EPA’s hand on this decision. It is a decision that is clearly politically motivated to coincide with the start of the Copenhagen climate summit,” he said.

No denying that conclusion!

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-08 09:51:02

“It is a decision that is clearly politically motivated to coincide with…”

I told you, …the democraps are learning rapidly from the previous “TrueDeceiver’s ™” “tactics” ;-)

And the young repubicans are still innovating, for example:

“Republican Steven Choi, an Irvine councilman and candidate for Assembly, has people scratching their head - including some in his own party - after he showed up at the Nancy Pelosi event Friday wearing a rendering of the House speaker as Joseph Stalin.

While most protesters were kept out of the Irvine Hilton, where Pelosi addressed county Democrats at their annual dinner, a group rented a meeting room at the hotel, thus gaining entry. I visited their room Friday and they eagerly showed me the renderings they were pinning to their clothes, including one portraying Barack Obama and Adolf Hitler together.”

A Black “non-Hawaiian” as Hitler, haven’t seen that kind of dissent since the burning cross days in Mississippi. ;-)

Irvine councilman portrays Pelosi as Stalin:
OC Register
December 7th, 2009, posted by Martin Wisckol, Politics reporter

Comment by tresho
2009-12-08 14:31:45

Irvine councilman portrays Pelosi as Stalin: Godwin’s law goes viral.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 07:59:12

The credit crunch phase of the financial panic seems to be morphing into the sovereign debt phase. And Uncle Buck is still smiling…

Currencies

Dec. 8, 2009, 9:53 a.m. EST

Dollar up as credit concerns weigh on stocks
Moody’s warning casts cloud over British pound

By Deborah Levine & William L. Watts, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — The U.S. dollar gained versus the euro, British pound, Canadian dollar and other major currencies on Tuesday, as worries about credit in Greece and Dubai weighed on equities and helped the dollar extend gains that began Friday.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-12-08 10:45:42

Any port in a storm, huh?

Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2009-12-08 12:26:42

Still wondering if Ann Coulter’s prediction Dow reaches new lows before end of the year will occur…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 22:52:06

Why are these hand wringers so worried over sovereign debt? Haven’t they heard yet that the global economy is decoupled and these sovereign debt crises all are fully contained?

* The Wall Street Journal
* DECEMBER 9, 2009

Countries’ Debt Woes Pose Risk to Upturn

more in Economy »
BY JOANNA SLATER, BRIAN BLACKSTONE AND MARCUS WALKER

Worries over finances of some of the world’s governments rippled through financial markets Tuesday, as a series of negative credit-rating actions served as a reminder of the fragility of the global recovery.

Fitch Ratings cut Greece’s credit rating a notch to the lowest level in the 16-nation euro zone, raising concerns that Athens could be sparking the biggest fiscal crunch the European monetary union has faced in its 10 years. Moody’s Investors Service sliced ratings even more on Dubai government-controlled companies, renewing worries about the Arab emirate.

 
 
Comment by Brett
2009-12-08 08:06:28

During lunch, one of my coworkers said:
“I am not ready to drop the price yet; I am not giving my house away”

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-12-08 08:31:19

Ansarrr:

Cool, then you will live in the house till you DIE….heck you bought it cheap and you can afford to do that…right?

Comment by Brett
2009-12-08 08:49:11

I stopped by her cube to say his this morning, and if I got this straight, she and her husband want to sell their 3 bedroom house because she is expecting a second child. I don’t really understand why two adults and two children can’t share a 3 bedroom home; she insists they need at least 5 bedrooms…

Comment by X-philly
2009-12-08 09:16:02

Well naturally if one of the kids is a girl all her dollies need a bedroom of their own.

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Comment by Brett
2009-12-08 10:02:51

Or maybe she needs an office, a room for each kid, and she and the husband sleep in different bedrooms… it wouldn’t surprise me.. i wouldnt touch her even if i was dead

 
 
Comment by WHYoung
2009-12-08 10:04:26

Gotta have the craft room with the gift wrapping station.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-12-08 12:07:36

WHYoung,

Right, a sure sign The Boom started a LOT sooner than most of us suspect. In the many Open Houses the Mrs. & I have attended I noticed the were coming standard w/ McMansions by the mid/late 90’s.

Couldn’t live without it!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-08 09:41:25

“I am not giving my house away!”

Ask her if she knows how to turn a hundred dollar bill into a ten dollar bill without doing anything… ;-)

 
 
Comment by laurel, md
2009-12-08 08:14:01

Oh this has to hurt. From todays Wash Post

Vornado Realty Trust has halted plans to sell an 8.6 acre tract of land in Arlington (the property is in the Pentagon area). An undisclosed purchaser forfeited a $27 million deposit. Vornado will record the $27m as income, and also write down the value of the land from $108m to $83m

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-12-08 08:37:25

Now that is a falling Knife…and Voro got lucky…..

 
Comment by debthater
2009-12-08 12:55:54

Undisclosed buyer = the Fed

 
Comment by shelby
2009-12-08 13:39:40

BBbbuutttt - -Not in DC !!

hehe, uh, heh, everything here is GREAT??

RIGHT???

Don’t we have all the jobs & money running thru this town?

Doesn’t everyone have a cushey Gov Contracting job??

NOT! In your best Borat vi=oice!

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 08:14:08

The nice thing about a parabolic runup in gold prices is that the dollar can steadily strengthen on each one percent drop from the temporarily high plateau. In other words, a gold bubble is very consistent with a strong dollar policy.

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-12-08 08:27:41

Cash is trash in Iceland, Dubai, North Korea, and Greece. Should we really trust Geithner and Bernanke with our cash? I don’t think so.

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 08:42:48

Don’t forget Venezuela.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-08 09:17:30

Sure, too much cash is a problem everywhere. The people are drowning in cash! HAHA.

N Korea is a prison of a different sort.

 
Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2009-12-08 12:33:07

Equating US currency with those nations is a stretch.

Comment by mrktMaven
2009-12-08 14:43:54

Assuming all buyers of gold insurance reside in the US is a bit myopic, no?

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2009-12-08 14:13:10

The nice thing about a parabolic runup in gold prices is that the dollar can steadily strengthen on each one percent drop from the temporarily high plateau. In other words, a gold bubble is very consistent with a strong dollar policy.

Gold had the same shaped run ups in 02, 05, 06-07, 08 and 09. Each time gold corrected sharply and resumed its uptrend. That’s a consistency I’ve observed in the gold market for the past 9 years.

In 02 the dollar index stood at 120. It’s around 77 today. In all that time the Treasury and Fed maintained they supported a “strong dollar”.

In O5 the dollar was rising at the same time as gold. Gold can decline to about $620 without breaking its 10 year uptrend and to about $850 without breaking its 5 year uptrend.

Gold’s behavior the past 10 years has been very consistent. Much more than stocks or real estate.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2009-12-08 08:42:50

By Ken Sweet
FOXBusiness
Credit rating agency Moody’s (MCO) said Tuesday that the United States, along with 16 other countries, could lose their AAA credit rating if fiscal deficits and heavy debts are not effectively managed.

While Moody’s analysts emphasized that the United States’ AAA rating is not under immediate threat, it did say the rating could be downgraded in 2013 if the fiscal position does not improve.

“AAA governments with stretched balance sheets will find themselves under pressure to announce credible fiscal plans and — if markets start losing patience — to start implementing them,” said Pierre Cailleteau, managing director of Moody’s Sovereign Risk Group, in a statement.

The AAA credit rating of the United States is both a point of pride and financial importance. If the U.S. were to lose its AAA credit rating, even by one notch, it would significantly increase the government’s cost of borrowing.

Moody’s said that the biggest issues for the U.S. and other AAA-rated countries will be the ability to have sustained economic growth coming out of this recession while also reducing fiscal deficits. The U.S recorded a record $1.42 trillion national debt for 2009, which raised the total amount of debt held as a percentage of the nation’s GDP to 53.8%, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

The U.S.’s debt as a percentage of GDP is expected to rise to 67% by 2018, the CBO said.

According to Moody’s, the U.S. and other major AAA-rated countries are not at risk and retain the “characteristics necessary for a AAA rating,” but have “lost altitude” in the AAA space.

Austan Goolsbee, a member of the President’s Council of Economic Advisers, disputed Moody’s report, saying that “it’s rather obvious that the U.S. government is not in danger of default.”

“The deficit in the short run is big because we confront the worst economic crisis since 1929,” he said. “In the medium run, the fiscal situation is dramatically better and we need to have fiscal responsibility, but the argument that we’re going to be a higher risk of default I find close to absurd.”

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 09:04:44

So by not including the additional 32% owed to the Social Security Administration etc. (total of 85%) - I guess they’re assuming then that the government will default on that portion of the debt?

Or perhaps are they assuming that the government will just kill off the Social Security recipients before they have a chance to receive their benefits. Hmm… maybe that’s what the health plan is all about. I’m putting 2 and 2 together here…

 
Comment by Skip
2009-12-08 09:24:27

Of course, Moody’s is fighting proposed regulation right now. I’m sure we can work out some sorta deal with them.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-08 09:31:26

How does Moodys have any credibility after the MBS debacle? Who cares what rating they give? Why is Moodys even still rating?

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 11:02:05

Why is Moodys even still rating?

Ask the SEC.

Oh - and also ask them about S&P and Fitch (equally complicit) as well.

Just be prepared to step back quickly when the door’s slammed in your face.

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 11:03:58

Bonus points if you mention “NRSRO” and “monopoly”, and videotape their reactions.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-12-08 12:10:34

pressboardbox,

Amen, and who cares what opinion they ‘render’ anyway? Certainly not me? As I mentioned above, how they’ve managed to escape regulatory scrutiny is beyond me?

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-08 09:37:31

Credit rating agency Moody’s = “TrueDeceiver’s ™” Cult ;-)

Comment by jeff saturday
2009-12-08 10:23:13

Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in a while.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 09:38:13

Report: Homeless population in Norfolk increases 15 percent.

In the past year, Norfolk’s homeless population has grown faster than in any of the other two dozen cities surveyed in a national assessment of homelessness and hunger.

According to the report, released by the U.S. Conference of Mayors this morning, Norfolk saw a 15 percent increase in its overall homeless population, and a 32 percent increase in the number of people requesting emergency food assistance.

It was the only Hampton Roads city to be surveyed by the study, which asked 27 cities – including Boston, Chicago, Los Angeles, Detroit and Miami – to self-report data from October 2008 to September 2009. According to the report, during that time Norfolk saw the greatest percentage increase of any of the cities in the numbers of individuals who were homeless. Norfolk also recorded a 7 percent increase in homeless families.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-08 09:43:56

Memo: Goldman Sachs Christmas, er… Holiday Party.

Black Tie only: Pick your tux and gown up inside the door (wear “street clothes” while approching).

Secret-Santa gifts are to be restricted to a $100 million maximum to avoid accusations of lavishness.

Fun for All: Bobbing for bailouts, Pin the tail on Barney, Guess Timmy’s Taxes, and an auction where an actual Senator will be sold for charity!

Bonuses and merriment for all!

anyone care to add anything…?

Comment by X-philly
2009-12-08 10:01:55

Is the “pin the tail on Barney” event optional?

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 11:06:01

Don’t go there.

No - I mean literally - don’t go there.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2009-12-08 11:13:27

Is Barney becoming the butt of all the jokes????

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-08 11:24:20

At least he seems able to take it.

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Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 11:27:07

The ‘Ol Fwankster can’t help it, he usually get’s what he wants, in the end.

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Comment by palmetto
2009-12-08 13:53:35

“in the end.”

Uh, was that deliberate or one of those serendipitous constructs?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 10:51:26

AARP will never talk about this fatal flaw in Social Security/Medicare funding:

“When revenues flow into the four Social Security and Medicare trust funds, the money is instantly handed over to the Treasury, which issues non-marketable long-term IOU’s to the trust funds. These IOU’s are listed as assets by the funds. But, through the wonders of government accounting, they are not listed as liabilities on the government’s on-budget budget. They are liabilities only on the off-budget budget, which most Americans are unaware of. This chicanery has been going on ever since the Johnson Administration (Lyndon’s, not Andrew’s).”

Social Security Going Bust.

Congress must either raise the FICA tax rate in 2010 or increase the earnings ceiling to keep the Social Security game afloat.

Gary North puts it this way:

“We are floating down the fiscal river of no return. We are moving faster and faster. Some of us can hear the falls ahead. The sound gets louder and louder. But our companions on board say, ‘Let’s party!’ They head for the dining room. After that, they will head for the slot machines.

“Americans respond favorably to these words: ‘Free’ and ‘all you can eat.’ That is what politicians promise.

“Either the falls will get us (deflationary depression) or else an explosion of the overheated engine will (hyperinflation). Our companions are still in the dining room or heading toward the slot machines. You and I should begin to move toward the lifeboats.”

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 11:25:58

Not sure I’d say American’s aren’t aware of it. If you ask most people what our debt is (ones that have a clue anyhow) - they’d say $12 Trillion, which includes what’s owed to these trust funds. Very few people would say that our debt is $7.7 Trillion, which is the debt level excluding the trust funds.

(Well - except, for whatever reason, articles like the one above that discuss the debt level as a percentage of the GDP)

 
Comment by Skip
2009-12-08 13:14:18

I think most people under 40 have never thought they would be able to collect Social Security.

Comment by In Montana
2009-12-08 15:35:21

Well! That was easy. Cut ‘em off.

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-12-08 15:53:14

I’m under 40. I’ve always thought it would be broke. Anything I get from it is great. I’m not counting on it being there in any form I can use. Sure, I might get $52067 every day from it, but that might buy me a postage stamp once a year at the current rate.

As such, I’ll make a deal: eliminate my employer’s contribution to SS, keep mine as is. In return, I’ll never collect from SS.

Simple: SS gets some money, but has no liability for me. None. Zip. I don’t want the money anyway, I know it is a pyramid scheme anyway.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-08 10:55:33

Anyone still want to have a debate about “deflation”? ;-)

BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)

American Express Zync:

“Here’s the pitch: With a charge card like the American Express Green, Gold or Platinum card, you generally have to pay your balance in full each month. As a result, you don’t run up any interest charges. Plus, there are no overdraft fees, as there can be with debit cards. Finally, charge cards allow you to build a credit history, while debit cards don’t.

Those old-fashioned cards, however, don’t attract many young people. So today Amex introduced the Zync card, a charge card aimed at people in their 20s.”

NYT, By RON LIEBER Dec 8th

Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2009-12-08 11:10:04

They have any cards in the pipeline to accrue carbon credits with?

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-08 11:29:41

Amex Coal card. only for the naughty.

 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2009-12-08 16:27:30

What the hell is my Amex Blue then — chopped liver?

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 20:25:00

Yeah I’m wondering the same thing. My AMEX blue gives me all those benefits - plus about 2% cash back.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 11:19:29

Dangerous Blizzard Lashes Plains, Midwest.
Accuweather

A major storm dumped up to 3-4 feet of snow in the mountains of California on Monday before ravaging much of the Four Corners with near-blizzard conditions overnight. The storm will move on as an all-out dangerous and disruptive blizzard with high winds, fierce cold and paralyzing snow from the central Plains to the Upper Midwest by later today and tonight. The storm will affect travel from Denver to Chicago and many other areas of the nation as the “December to remember” gets into full swing. The worst lake-effect snow event will follow the storm, burying some communities barely brushed by the storm itself.

Comment by tresho
2009-12-08 14:37:44

A major storm dumped — I survived the 70’s in Ohio. A major snow storm is one that buries semi trucks which are not located for at least a week, and the National Guard has to evacuate stranded farmers.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-12-08 15:13:35

Ah, those were the good ol’ days.

Sigh.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 16:14:59

We had over 2 ft. in ‘73 in central S.Carolina. Shut the place down for nearly two weeks. Here in the land “O” cotton we are not prepared for things like that. No plows, no salt, no road clearing etc… My brother made a killing with his Dodge Ram 4X4 towing folks for days on end.

Hope we get to revisit that this year, it’s past due. With this global warming fix’n to kick our azz.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-08 11:25:44

I’ll show John & Cindy McSame, if they can have x7 homes, by golly, so can I…you betcha! ;-)

I really miss being Governor of Alaska, I’m so sorry I was “forced to quit”…but at least I have the time & skills to write a book… ;-)

Palin/Jeb lll 2012! ;-)

Is she safe? Tomatoes tossed at Sarah Palin on book tour:
By Marjorie Kehe CSM Dec 8th 2009

“…So far, “Going Rogue” has sold more than 1,000,000 copies and has now been on top of the New York Times bestseller list for two weeks. More than 700,000 copies were sold in the first week, putting Palin ahead of both President Obama, whose 2006 book “The Audacity of Hope” sold only 100,000 copies in its first week of release, and Hillary Clinton, whose “Living History” sold about 600,000 copies in 200″

“Palin this week characterized herself as “an everyday, working-class American” who knows how it feels when the stock market takes a hit.

“The Palins’ total income last year was split almost evenly between Sarah Palin’s white-collar job and her husband’s blue-collar work. Sarah Palin’s salary as governor was $125,000; Todd Palin took in $46,790 as a part-time oil production operator for BP Alaska in Prudhoe Bay, plus $46,265 in commercial fishing income and $10,500 in Iron Dog snowmachine race winnings. These figures do not include nearly $17,000 in per diem payments Palin received for 312 nights spent in her own home since she was elected governor; she also has received $43,490 to cover travel costs for her husband and children.

In addition, each member of the Palin family received $1,654 in state oil royalties paid to all Alaskans.”

Anyone know the whereabouts of the Iraqi “shoe-thrower” ? ;-)

Comment by exeter
2009-12-08 12:43:09

She’s an inarticulate imbecile. When asked such “gotcha” questions like “What do you like to read?” she flails in all directions like an Eddie running from reality and has the reasoning power of a brain-dead armadillo.

Too bad the tomato thrower missed.

Comment by cobaltblue
2009-12-08 16:24:01

Hi exeter,

You detest Palin in about the same measure as I detest Obama. And so it goes.

That is the great thing about the HBB - diverse political leanings and opinions don’t render us incapable of participating, learning, and hopefully profiting from one of the greatest financial events of our lifetime.

Best of everything to you and yours in this Christmas season.

cb

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 11:33:10

Say it ain’t so! Of course their debt ‘problems’ are going to swell, the old domino’s just warming up.

Dubai’s Debt Problems May Swell, Morgan Stanley Says.

Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) — Debt restructuring by Dubai state-run companies may almost double to $46.7 billion as more of the emirate’s businesses could need help making payments, Morgan Stanley said.

Dubai Holding LLC, Dubai Holding Commercial Operations Group LLC, Borse Dubai Ltd. and Dubai Sukuk Center Ltd. may join Dubai World in restructuring debt, Morgan Stanley analysts Mohamed W. Jaber and Paolo Batori wrote in a report. Government- controlled Dubai World said last week that it’s in talks to renegotiate $26 billion of loans.

It’s likely that other state companies will “announce debt restructuring plans over the near term,” Jaber and Batori wrote. “We believe that a haircut on the external debt at risk in the area of 40-50 percent is necessary to have a notable long-term favorable impact on public debt dynamics.”

Islamic bonds issued by Nakheel PJSC, Dubai World’s property unit, that mature Dec. 14 fell to 51.5 cents on the dollar from 53 cents yesterday, heading for the lowest closing price on record, according to Citigroup Inc. prices.

Comment by Blue Skye
2009-12-08 14:49:57

These guys, or their rich uncles, would be stupid to pay the loans off now, when the markers can be bought for 50c on the dollar.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 11:45:24

Who is Blythe Masters?

She is the JP Morgan employee who invented credit default swaps, and is now heading JPM’s carbon trading efforts. As Bloomberg notes (this and all remaining quotes are from the above-linked Bloomberg article):

Masters, 40, oversees the New York bank’s environmental businesses as the firm’s global head of commodities…
As a young London banker in the early 1990s, Masters was part of JPMorgan’s team developing ideas for transferring risk to third parties. She went on to manage credit risk for JPMorgan’s investment bank.

Among the credit derivatives that grew from the bank’s early efforts was the credit-default swap.

Some in congress are fighting against carbon derivatives:

“People are going to be cutting up carbon futures, and we’ll be in trouble,” says Maria Cantwell, a Democratic senator from Washington state. “You can’t stay ahead of the next tool they’re going to create.”

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/12/guest-post-woman-who-invented-credit-default-swaps-is-one-of-the-key-architects-of-carbon-derivatives-which-would-be-at-the-very-center-of-cap-and-trade.html

Comment by tresho
2009-12-08 14:40:15

Maria Cantwell, a Democratic senator from Washington state. “You can’t stay ahead of the next tool they’re going to create.”
Speak for yourself, Maria. Maybe it’s time for Washington state to send other people to Congress.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 12:02:07

Neal Boortz:

“[The Social Security/Medicare debt we're piling up on posterity] won’t matter a bit to a huge percentage of Americans. As I’ve said before, we have three basic classes of people in our society. There are the producers that create the wealth. Then there are the moochers that seek to consume the wealth created by the producers; and finally we have the looters who seize the wealth from the producers to transfer to the moochers in exchange for votes … which is the same thing as saying ‘in exchange for power.’

“There are tens of millions of Americans out there right now who do not give a flying fornication what sort of debt we’re piling up for future generations of American to pay. They’re not going to be around to help pay that debt off, so it means nothing to them. What they do so earnestly care about is their free ride. They can’t give you one good logical reason why anyone other than themselves should be responsible for their health care, but as long as the Democrats are willing to relieve them of that burdensome responsibility, they’re more than willing to go along. Too many of these people it’s just more money for iPhones and PlayStations.

“This country is being killed by the moochers and the looters who pander to them.”

Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-08 12:20:35

Can’t seem to find the eject lever. Titanic with no lifeboats. Lookin’ up at the belly of the last departing Huey and Charlie’s comin’…

 
Comment by exeter
2009-12-08 12:22:41

Where was Kneel Boortz when his masters in congress and the white house were giving away $2 trillion in “tax cuts” to the wealthiest of wealthy 2001-2006?

Oh yea….. Kneel wants everyone to forget about that. Notta chance.

 
 
Comment by ACH
2009-12-08 12:30:18

“Coffee May Reduce Risk of Deadly Prostate Cancer ”

URL: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=alAhmT2SZ8Yg

excerpt: “In research involving 50,000 men over 20 years, scientists led by Kathryn Wilson at Harvard’s Channing Laboratory found that the 5 percent of men who drank 6 or more cups a day had a 60 percent lower risk of developing the advanced form of the disease than those who didn’t consume any. ”

I knew it! The Elixer of Health!

excerpt: “People shouldn’t start changing their coffee consumption based on one study,” Wilson said in a phone interview on Dec. 5. “It could be chance, and we really need to see whether it pans out in other studies.”

Sure they should! I have a LARGE CUP of espresso every morning. No, no wimpy espresso shots for me. I mean a LARGE CUP. Yummers!

Roidy
P.S. I stop the heavy vibrations at just pass two in the afternoon most days.

Comment by In Montana
2009-12-08 15:36:32

I have to stop by 9 am.

It sucks to get old.

Comment by combotechie
2009-12-08 19:28:12

“It sucks to get old.”

But it sure beats the alternative.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 12:39:49

I’m sure the folks at the Brookings Institution were aw struck by Barry’s ability to read aloud. Not to mention his vast economic understanding. At some point the whiny Prez. is going to need to get some new writers.

New Obama plans: ’spend our way out’ of downturn
Obama outlines new stimulus and jobs plan, says US must still ’spend our way out’ of recession.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama outlined new multibillion-dollar stimulus and jobs proposals Tuesday, saying the nation must continue to “spend our way out of this recession” until more Americans are back at work.

Without giving a price tag, Obama proposed a package of new spending for highway, bridge and other infrastructure projects, deeper tax breaks for small businesses and tax incentives to encourage people to make their homes more energy efficient.

“We avoided the depression many feared,” Obama said in a speech at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank. But, he added, “Our work is far from done.”

For the third time in a week, Obama sought to focus on job creation, noting that the unemployment rate was still at 10 percent in November, though down slightly from its 10.2 percent peak. He said “a staggering” 7 million Americans have lost jobs since the recession began two years ago.

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 13:59:48

(shakes head)

The beat will go on until it finally just can’t anymore.

Then what?

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2009-12-08 14:33:08

The beat will go on

From that chart:
Our debt level rose at the fastest pace from about 1981 to about 1992. Then mellowed out from 93 to about 1999 and then exploded again from 2000 until today.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2009-12-08 18:01:51

I sense a correlation of some sort….

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Comment by exeter
2009-12-08 18:27:01

hmmmmm…… could it…… could it be a result of GOP running the show? You know who I mean….Those guys that campaign on smaller government, low taxes(for the wealthy) and less spending?

 
Comment by packman
2009-12-08 20:38:11

Not a GOP vs. Dem thing. If you believe that - you fail history. Try again next semester.

IMO the primary causes are simply these:

- Until the 1970’s Japan and Germany, decimated by WWII, had not yet caught up. In essence the U.S. had a monopoly on world trade until then (since Britain’s economy was also physically decimated). After we lost that monopoly - we had to start borrowing to keep up.

- Going off the gold standard also killed us - allowing us to borrow and borrow and borrow, knowing that all we needed to pay back our creditors was pieces of paper, and not actual limited-supply gold. Going off the gold standard was fantastic for our economy - on the surface. Eventually however we’ll come to find that all we thought we bought and owned is now in the hands of foreigners and/or banks. (Much in the same way a bunch of home “owners” are finding that just the act of borrowing money to buy something doesn’t mean it’s actually yours)

 
Comment by exeter
2009-12-08 21:06:34

You’re right. Its not a dem v. gop thing. Its an ideological divide where one ideology adheres to fiscal responsibility yet doesn’t yammer about it. And the other brags and boasts about it but can’t live up to their own boasting. Hypocrites.

 
 
Comment by james
2009-12-08 18:27:58

Its an exponential curve. Things slowed down under Bush 2. He actually planed to cut spending. Then Greeny and Rubin started going pretty crazy.

Then Bush, Bernake and Greeny went really crazy after 911 and dot com disaster.

Looks like a classical exponential growth since LBJ with slight deviations under Reagan and Bush, possibly due to 15% interest rates under Reagan and Bush actually cutting spending.

We have a problem with too much debt and the president is proposing even more spending. Oye.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2009-12-08 20:14:09

Its an exponential curve.

Not totally but I could have said “rate of change” instead.

Bush 2.

Not Bush II, but Bush I, George Herbert Walker Bush was somewhat misunderstood. Our first Bush was our final WW2 generation president. I think fighting in WWII made Sr. more patriotic than Jr.

For all his faults, George H. W. Bush did express some admirable ideals.

To lower the deficit, he abandoned a simplistic campaign slogan and it cost him. (Read my lips)

He also said things that I’ve hardly heard a president say since.

My friends, we are not the sum of our possessions. They are not the measure of our lives. In our hearts we know what matters. We cannot hope only to leave our children a bigger car, a bigger bank account. We must hope to give them a sense of what it means to be a loyal friend, a loving parent, a citizen who leaves his home, his neighborhood and town better than he found it. What do we want the men and women who work with us to say when we are no longer there? That we were more driven to succeed than anyone around us? Or that we stopped to ask if a sick child had gotten better, and stayed a moment there to trade a word of friendship? President Bush, Inaugural Address, January 20, 1989

Then Greeny and Rubin started going pretty crazy.

Rubin appointed by Clinton. Greenspan appointed by Reagan.

I see a pattern.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by measton
2009-12-08 12:41:56

NY Times

Indeed, people inside the Treasury told me that the No. 1 reason offered by the firm during weeks of back-and-forth — even when it was discussed indirectly — was compensation. Bank of America was so desperate, in fact, that it diluted its own shareholders by selling new shares worth $18.8 billion to replace some of the funds it is returning.

Just read the notes from research analysts the day that Bank of America announced the $45 billion payment.

Virtually none of them focused on the idea that there was a sign of strength at the firm; instead they focused, as Morgan Stanley did, on how “it eliminates the competitive disadvantage relative to peers who had already repaid TARP.” External candidates may be “more likely to talk” now that the bank is no longer restricted by the pay czar.

That may be all well and good, but what about the health of the bank — and any continuing risks to the system? Wasn’t the purpose of the bailout program to put the financial system on a much steadier foundation? And wasn’t repayment supposed to be

Why can’t shareholders take these CEO’s to court. They dilute shareholders in order to get their giant pay check.

Comment by polly
2009-12-08 14:51:38

Thay don’t care about new hires. They care about themselves. Oh, and they probably are under some sort of delusion that the 7th highest pick for a job will be substantially less qualified then the 1st highest.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 12:47:58

The most used word in finance/industrial reports…”Unexpectedly”

German Industrial Production Unexpectedly Declines (Update2)

Dec. 8 (Bloomberg) — German industrial output unexpectedly fell for the first time in three months in October, led by a drop in production of energy and investment goods such as machinery.

Output decreased 1.8 percent from September, when it advanced 3.1 percent, the Economy Ministry in Berlin said today. Economists forecast a 1 percent gain, according to the median of 38 estimates in a Bloomberg survey. From a year earlier, production declined 12.4 percent when adjusted for the number of work days.

Germany’s recovery from its worst recession since World War II may slow as the impact of government stimulus measures, such as the now-expired cash-for-clunkers program, wane and a stronger euro damps exports. Factory orders unexpectedly fell for the first time in eight months in October, the ministry said yesterday, led by a decline in sales abroad.

“It will be really difficult to keep the strong recovery going next year,” said Costa Brunner, an economist at Natixis in Frankfurt. “Orders in the auto industry will disappoint and the effect of inventory restocking is now disappearing.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 13:33:28

Venture Fund Uses Lottery Model.

BOSTON (TheStreet) — At first blush, the business model of new investment firm Revolutionary Angels appears like a lottery. All it takes is $5,000 and a dream.

Based in the innovation hotbed of Cambridge, Mass., the firm, launched last month, has a pay-to-play plan that works like this: As many as 100 startups each pay $5,000 to compete for a maximum $250,000 initial round of funding. The runner-up gets $50,000. The rest get feedback.

“This does not seem kosher,” says Emily Mendell, vice president of the National Venture Capital Association, in an e-mail message, upon hearing about the firm. “Real angels would never do this.”

Founder and Chief Executive Officer Chris Hurley says Revolutionary Angels offers novice entrepreneurs a shot at financing as well as advisory services at a time when they’re hard-pressed to find funding through traditional routes.

“If you’re a first-time entrepreneur or an early-stage company, there are a lot of challenges to get investments,” says Hurley, who previously worked in corporate development at Sun Microsystems(JAVA Quote). “You can spend a lot of time chasing your tail, and with an early-stage company, time is money.”

No argument there. For starters, even bank loans are hard to come by, thanks, in part, to the downfall of CIT Group. And while total venture funding increased 17% to $4.8 billion in the third quarter from a year earlier, first-time financing fell 20% to $633 million, according to the quarterly MoneyTree Report from PricewaterhouseCoopers and the NVCA. That’s the least amount for first-time deals in the survey’s history.

 
Comment by Left LA
2009-12-08 13:46:31

So I spent the weekend in Austin. I had been there a few times on business, but wanted to check out the neighborhoods a bit more in depth.

My impressions:

“Old West” and “Deep Eddy” are very livable and attractive - and central. However, I nearly choked on the asking prices. Examples:

http://www.neighborcity.com/property/1500-Bluebonnet-Ln-Austin-TX-78704-6126836-3536038/

http://www.trulia.com/property/1064122493-2411-Pruett-St-Austin-TX

I am pretty much resigned to bachelorhood, so these places are about 500-700 square feet more than I really want or need. These prices are LA-ish circa 2004. I was really quite shocked.

Neighborhoods such as South Congress and Travis Heights are quirky and all, but I found several new/remodeled $500,000+ houses that were surrounded by crap shacks - one example had a rusted out Ford Pinto in the side yard. Not the kind of neighbor I would want if I was going to drop half a mil.

On the flip-side, rentals in Austin are astonishingly low - less that $1 a square foot for great locations. I heard a radio ad that actually touted renting as “a much cheaper alternative to a mortgage” - never mind the 3%+ property tax and maintenance costs.

My guess is that the bubble arrived late in Austin (due to Californicators). Charming city and all, but not at those prices. Love the TX 0% income tax (I am freelance).

Comment by ACH
2009-12-08 20:34:35

Yeesh! I looked at the links. Man that is expensive!

Roidy

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 13:50:40

Won’t be long before we can do away with all of our nasty/evil energy plants. We’ll just use sunshine and whirligigs for energy when the U.N.& EPA say it’s OK.

CONSOL idling two plants, may lay off nearly 500 workers
Pittsburgh Business Times ~ December 8, 2009

CONSOL Energy Inc. announced Tuesday that it plans to idle two West Virginia plants in February, a move which could mean layoffs of nearly 500 employees.

The Pittsburgh-based company Tuesday issued notice under the Worker Adjustment and Restraining Notification (WARN) Act that it is idling its operations near Bickmore, W.Va. Approximately 104 employees working at Little Eagle Coal Co. and 378 working at the Fola Coal Co. could be affected. The layoffs are expected to occur on Feb. 7-21.

CONSOL (NYSE:CNX) said it is idling the plants due to environmentalist lawsuits filed against its permits to mine. The Ohio Valley Environmental Coalition had filed an appeal against already approved permits to mine the coal at the plants, according to CONSOL. Following the appeal, a judge with the United States District Court for the Southern District of West Virginia issued an order suspending Fola’s Clean Water Act permit for the Ike Fork portions of Fola’s operations, effective Jan. 23. Without the permits, neither Fola nor Little Eagle can satisfy required specifications of coal sales contracts, according to CONSOL.

“It is unfortunate that, at a time when reliable and affordable energy is so desperately needed to reinvigorate our economy, that the nation’s energy industries are coming under repeated assault from nuisance lawsuits and appeals of environmental regulations,” CONSOL COO Nicholas J. DeIuliis said in a statement.

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2009-12-08 13:55:48

Commodities, gold, stocks down. Dollar slightly up. It’s all good. I pray that this continues. But it won’t if unemployment rises.

Comment by combotechie
2009-12-08 18:19:57

Yep, a wee bit of deflation is in the air.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 21:23:38

So long as the Fed’s printing press technology continues to run on high blast, there is no worry that deflation will ever rear its ugly head.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 21:28:53

My outsider’s hunch about the Fed’s game plan:

Keep the dollar on a quasi-permanently high plateau until the financial crisis blows over…

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Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 14:06:49

Neighbors say house still reeks even after cleanup.

SUNRISE, Fla. – Residents of a South Florida neighborhood are plagued by a horrible stench. It’s coming from inside the home of their neighbor. City officials have already investigated homeowner Debra Jean Higgins, after a utility worker stopped by and called police because he thought someone had died inside. The 55-year-old Higgins, who lives with two dogs, seven cats and piles of rotting garbage, was alive and well. She has been fined $600,000 for code violations, but that apparently hasn’t made a difference.

The city finally cleaned up the yard, but neighbors said the stench remains.

Mark Sierens said he can’t walk by without gagging. “The entire house is a litter box,” he says.

Sunrise’s police chief said building inspectors found the home structurally sound, so there’s not much the city can do.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 14:11:34

Pa. police arrest Amish man in buggy for DUI. (AP)

LANCASTER, Pa. – Police in central Pennsylvania arrested an Amish man on drunk driving charges over the weekend after he was found asleep in his moving buggy. Police said a 22-year-old man was slumped over and asleep in a slow-moving buggy on Sunday night.

An off-duty officer from nearby reported seeing the horse pulling the buggy at a walking pace as it straddled the center line.

Police said a breathalyzer test showed the man’s blood-alcohol content was 0.18, more than twice the 0.08 legal limit for drivers.

 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 14:14:16

Robbers steal $6 million during football finale.

RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) – Robbers took advantage of Brazil’s passion for football to steal about $6 million (3.7 million pounds) from a cash delivery firm, as the nation was transfixed on championship games, media reported on Monday.

Police suspect the thieves tunnelled into the firm’s building in Sao Paulo and waited until Sunday afternoon, when the final games of the national championships were played, to break in and steal more than 10 million reais.

A security guard working at the firm on Sunday reported hearing loud noises but thought they were from fireworks lit by excited football fans, the Globo news network’s web site reported Sao Paulo police as saying.

Police said the thieves rented a nearby house several months ago and painstakingly dug a 150-metre (490-foot) long tunnel, Globo reported. They disguised themselves as residents, even putting a Christmas tree in the window, it said.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2009-12-08 19:30:58

It was a big game in Rio because it had been 17 years since Flamingo (Rio’s favorite team) won the Brazilian championship and a long time since any Rio team won the whole enchilada, even though they don’t have enchiladas here. :(

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 14:17:44

Gambler loses case against Australian casino.

Melbourne~(AFP) – A compulsive gambler who wagered close to 1.4 billion US dollars during a 16-month betting spree lost his lawsuit against Australia’s largest casino Tuesday when a judge ruled he was not exploited.

High-flying property developer Harry Kakavas claimed Melbourne’s Crown Casino facilitated his pathological betting, despite knowing he had a problem that was so severe he had already been banned from one establishment.

Kakavas, 42, who police had barred from entering Sydney’s Star City casino, had sued Crown, claiming it “lured” him with gifts and free flights on a private jet to bring him to Melbourne.

But judge David Harper ruled the casino had not preyed on the baccarat-loving Kakavas and ordered him to repay one million dollars (913,347 US) in debts.

“He was not a person so helplessly entrapped by his love of cards that he found it impossible to resist Crown’s attentions,” Harper told the Victorian Supreme Court.

“He was the highest of this country’s high rollers,” added the judge.

“He enjoyed some spectacular wins. In the end, however, he lost all he won, and more.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
Comment by X-GSfixer
2009-12-08 17:42:04

Those “Hitler” videos crack me up……. :)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 20:10:29

There is also this one (”PG” rated, due to adult humor; my 9-year-old son didn’t understand why I was splitting a gut while watching it…):

Real Estate Downfall

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 20:28:20

And one for those who missed the bear market rally this year:

Hitler Misses the Bull Bear Market Rally

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 20:37:49

Talent for “Hitler humor” and English language skills clearly are negatively correlated…(perhaps because the authors of these priceless pearls of parody are Germans??! After all, who but German speakers would be most familiar with a movie entitled “Der Unterfall”?):

Hitler rants about the Global Financial Crisis

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 20:51:51

The “Hitler financial crisis parody” possibilities are apparently without limit:

Hitler’s Short Sales Down Fall

Comment by ahansen
2009-12-09 00:41:33

These are hysterical parodies. Thanks for posting them, Prof.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 20:59:59

This one is tailor-made for our favoritist partisan politics troll, ever:

The Republican Downfall

 
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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 21:20:40

“I’ll bet some young staffer slipped McCain some viagra just before her job interview.”

ROTFLMFAO!!!!

Now Romney is our only hope.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 21:21:41

Man’s worst nightmare:

Hitlery vrs Palin in 2012…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 22:01:58

Who knew that Hitler was a comic genius in waiting?

Hitler gets a margin call

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 22:09:01

Last one — I promise!!!

Hitler’s Bailout Rant

 
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Comment by cobaltblue
2009-12-08 14:43:42

Headline: Taxpayer-funded foreclosure mitigation programs have been an abject failure,” said Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, at a hearing on the program. “Throwing more money at programs that do not work is absolutely insane.”

K. Denninger: Loan Modifications are a JOKE

“I have often commented, going back the start of The Market Ticker, that the only solution to the housing mess is for house prices to contract to, on average, three times average incomes or less.

Every program from the government - literally every one - has been aimed at preventing this.

The reason is simple: Those who funded the bubble machine would be rendered insolvent - in some cases many times over - if the truth about home values was to be recognized.

Therefore, every program has been one sort of “extend, pretend and lie” or another. All of them.

Loan-to-value ratios are too high, and until they fall, foreclosures will continue.

What regulators and lawmakers need to understand is this: Prices will fall - one way or the other. We are only able to determine who bears the loss of making these unsound loans, not whether the losses are ultimately recognized.

Let me make a few things clear:

•I fully understand that forcing recognition of true value in these homes - that is, principal reduction so that the outstanding amount on the loan(s) reflects market value, not the pumped bubble value, will result in huge losses and bankrupt many institutions, probably including so-called “Too Big To Fail” banks.

•However, the choice is between forced cramdowns and workouts within the current loan structures or continued foreclosures. Both end in the same place for home values, but the latter results in larger losses, as a loss delayed is a loss that grows larger for multiple reasons. Some of those include “homeowners” who trash their foreclosures on the way out the door, vandalism and simple rehab-and-resale expenses.
More than two years into this mess it should now be clear that the approach taken by our government has been and is bankrupt - and will not work, no matter how many different ways it is repackaged and re-sold.

These losses must be recognized and the bad debt forced from the system. It is essential in order to return our economy to a sound and stable footing. Those who make these loans and bought these securities either through false representations or their own lack of diligence must suffer their losses even if it bankrupts them, and if they have a claim at law to bring for fraudulent marketing or misrepresentations then let them sort it out in court - where it belongs.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 15:45:53

Gold bubble, we barely knew thee.

Gold’s luster continues to fade

Prices for the precious metal fall for the third day in a row as the U.S. dollar pushes higher.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Gold prices fell for the third day in a row on Tuesday as the U.S. dollar continued to strengthen.

February gold fell $32 to settle at $1,131.40 an ounce. Gold prices have tumbled 7% since hitting an all-time high of $1,218.30 on Thursday.

The retreat came as the U.S. dollar regained ground against rival currencies, undermining demand for gold as an alternative investment.

“The dollar is strong today, and gold has been trading against the dollar,” said Joe Foster, portfolio manager for the Van Eck Global International Investors Gold Fund. He said prices could continue to decline for the next few weeks before climbing anew next year.

Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 16:20:17

“Gold bubble, we barely knew thee”.

I wouldn’t break out the party hats just yet. We have a long way to go, and the terrain promises to get even more interesting. Bring on 2010!

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 17:08:06

You’re right. I just like to do my part to rile the gold bugs in the virtual room. ;-)

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-08 16:48:57

Dubai World loses control of New York hotel.
Dec 8
NEW YORK (AP) - Dubai World’s investment arm, Istithmar, lost ownership of the W Union Square New York hotel in a foreclosure auction Tuesday.

One of the hotel’s interim lenders, a private equity firm called LEM Mezzanine, acquired the 270-room hotel for $2 million, according to Dow Jones. The sale was another financial blow to Istithmar, which acquired the hotel in October 2006 for $285 million, according to Real Capital Analytics, a data tracking firm.

Calls to Dubai World and LEM Mezzanine were not immediately returned. LEM said in a statement it plans to continue to operate the hotel and hopes to “take full advantage of any market recovery.”

New York hotels have struggled in the wake of the national recession and financial downturn that have curbed business and leisure travel. Many properties have slashed their rates to attract business.

At the beginning of December, owners of eight New York hotels worth a total of $985 million were in financial distress, including a Courtyard Marriott and The Time Hotel, according to Real Capital Analytics.

The W was not the only Dubai World hotel in trouble. The Fontainebleau in Miami Beach is also in financial straits. The property’s $660 million loan was due in August. Contractors also claim the owner of the historic hotel owes them $60 million.

The New York auction comes almost two weeks after Dubai World revealed it was seeking at least a six-month delay on repaying $60 billion in debt. The news rattled world financial markets and credit agencies slashed the debt ratings on Dubai’s state companies, saying they might consider the plan a default.

 
Comment by crazy frog
2009-12-08 17:28:52

BusinessWeek
December 8, 2009, 4:04PM EST

Greek Debt Threatens the Euro

Europe’s economy is improving, but Greece’s public debt is so high that the country could default—with potentially dire results for the common currency

http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/content/dec2009/gb2009128_445076.htm

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 20:47:47

External debt as a % of GDP:

Greece: 48%
USA: 95%

Hmmm…

FWIW though - total public debt as % of GDP (per CIA):
Greece: 90%
USA: 61%

presumably much of Greece’s public debt is internal, whereas the U.S. has more external private debt.

Nevertheless - we are very much on the same scale.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 21:30:09

Beware of Greeks bearing grifts.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2009-12-08 17:50:08

I was at a restaurant tonight and there were some people in a stir over an old man — I asked the waiter about it and he’s somewhat of a celebrity because he worked on the Fat Man. I’m posting this because there are a lot of scientists that post here. Does anyone know the name(s) of any living scientists that worked on Fat Man?

I want to know, because this guy may have worked with my great uncle. If so, I need to by the guy a drink.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2009-12-08 19:23:50

If so, I need to by the guy a drink.

Hurry.

Comment by combotechie
2009-12-08 20:19:27

Lol.

 
Comment by Muggy
2009-12-08 20:19:33

Lol, yeah, the guy looked about 100 years old. I’ll probably go back and ask the waiter for his name. I mean, there were only so many guys playing with nukes back then — chances are they know each other.

Comment by combotechie
2009-12-08 20:26:57

“Chances are they know each other.”

Chances are they don’t due to the need to know and such.

Lots of secrecy involved with the Manhattan Project.

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Comment by packman
2009-12-08 20:49:00

Wouldn’t want to be a Fat Man, no. People would think that I was just good fun.

 
 
Comment by neuromance
2009-12-08 20:04:05

I’ve discovered the difference between people here and many of the Joe Six Packs out there:

I recently heard a radio ad to buy laptops on an installment plan. That’s going to push the price of laptops up for others. Those with the greatest appetite for debt won’t hesitate to go into debt further, pushing up prices of laptops (very similar to what happened with home prices).

That’s what people like us hate - debt. A Damocles sword hanging over our heads, forcing us to labor until we die, in order to pay our creditors. It repels those of us who are disciplined enough to save money and hopefully gain a modicum of financial freedom, if not outright financial freedom.

The debt slaves are like oxen, too dumb to care about their yoke, just slobbering for more, more, more, unable to see that their burden becomes heavier. We too might be oxen, but we want our freedom and at minimum, a light yoke. And our government is fighting us relentlessly to keep a basic purchase - housing - out of our reach, by propping up the prices and offering us a Hobson’s choice: go massively into debt, or forego the purchase, which, at a good price, is a good way to improve one’s net worth in the long run.

I never really understood serious anti-government sentiment, until these bailouts started. It’s been eye-opening.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 20:39:56

Just used debt (credit card) to buy a new Kawaii keyboard for $2K — until we pay it off in full next month (and earn a few more frequent flier miles to boot) ;-)

“Them that understands interest, gets it.

Them that don’t understand it, pays it.”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 20:42:33

I’d like to personally thank Megabank, Inc for all the frequent flier miles they have paid our family as a reward for maintaining our “deadbeat*” status. I will miss these perks once Megabank, Inc is carved up like a turkey by a future purge of oligopoly power in the banking sector.

*People who pay off their credit cards in full every month are referred to by bankers as “deadbeats.”

Comment by packman
2009-12-08 20:51:07

once Megabank, Inc is carved up like a turkey by a future purge of oligopoly power in the banking sector

I suppose you want “world peace” too - eh, PB?

:razz:

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 21:15:35

Absolutely. I always like to have my cake and eat it, too.

 
 
 
 
 
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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 22:22:26

Bunning said the Federal Reserve Act only allows Fed purchase of securities “backed by the government.” He hence asserts Fed purchases of other assets besides Treasury debt were illegal.

Wouldn’t federal guarantees summarily slapped on myriad asset classes make Fed purchases thereof legal, given they now qualify as “backed by the government”?

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 22:23:42

Bunning’s grade for BB’s performance as Fed Chairman:

F—-

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 22:25:26

HR1207 - Audit The Fed - The Hearing

Who got the money???

Why can’t the Fed explain itself, given its newfangled glasnost policy?

 
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2009-12-08 22:30:20

Advice to Market Ticker Guy: DON’T EXTRAPOLATE EXPONENTIAL TRENDS.

Trees don’t grow to the sky.

Comment by packman
2009-12-09 06:47:48

Sure they do. So does grass.

(P.S. - “the sky” actually ends at the ground, for those that don’t know)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 22:37:46

‘Tis a mere flesh wound!

Silicon Valley home values fall $9.3 billion

By Sue McAllister

smcallister@mercurynews.com
Posted: 12/08/2009 09:01:00 PM PST

It’s been a tough year in many corners of the Silicon Valley real estate market, and a report set for release today attempts to put a price tag on just how much value homes in the area have collectively lost since January: $9.3 billion.

That sounds dreadful, but it’s practically a comfort compared with last year, according to Zillow.com, the real estate valuation and marketing company that generated the estimate. In 2008, the company calculated, homes in the San Jose metro area lost a total of $60.6 billion in value.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 22:40:12

Wife’s cousin Rob, computer wonk who supports wife’s aunt and uncle, has been out of work for five months running.

Where is the bailout for Main Street to match the gazillions in helicopter drops of cash that the Bernanke/Paulson PPT showered on Wall Street???

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 22:55:57

This pretend wealth has legs…as the American economy gets stimulated all the way to fascism.

* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* DECEMBER 9, 2009

Stimulus III
Democrats want TARP to become a revolving line of political credit.

If at first fiscal stimulus doesn’t succeed, spend, spend again. That’s the motto President Obama embraced yesterday, even if he didn’t use the word “stimulus,” which has managed to set a political record in the speed with which it has become unpopular with voters. This time, the spending is being called “Proposals to Accelerate Job Growth and Lay the Foundation for Robust Economic Growth.”

But wasn’t that also supposed to be the point of last February’s $787 billion stimulus, or for that matter of the Nancy Pelosi-George W. Bush $165 billion stimulus of February 2008?

Nearly two years after that first Keynesian stimulus that was supposed to prevent a recession, and nearly a year after the second that the White House said would keep the jobless rate below 8%, the President now feels obliged to propose a third. Like the joke about Paul Krugman having predicted seven of the last two recessions, sooner or later the White House is bound to get the political timing right.

This time around, the President is at least suggesting a couple of good ideas. One proposal would revive his 2008 campaign promise for a zero capital gains tax on new investments in small business stock. Mr. Obama dropped the idea from his first stimulus because liberals on Capitol Hill hate the words “capital gains,” but yesterday he proposed a zero rate for one year.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 23:02:32

The evidence that the global economy is decoupled just keeps piling up, deeper and deeper all the time. It reminds me of my junior high English teacher’s definitions of academic lettered degrees:

BS = bullsh!t
MS = more of the same
PhD = pile it higher and deeper

* The Wall Street Journal
* ASIA MARKETS
* DECEMBER 8, 2009, 11:24 P.M. ET

Asia Lower After Wall Street Dips
By COLIN NG

SINGAPORE — Asian shares were lower Wednesday as renewed risk aversion gripped markets after Wall Street’s sharp decline, while weaker-than-expected economic growth data in Japan hurt stocks there.

There was plenty for investors to worry about, after Tuesday’s ratings downgrade for Greece and a raft of Dubai government-controlled companies.

“Despite the recovery in the global economy, sovereigns are still under pressure to be downgraded in the coming months. Like the Dubai World default, recent sovereign ratings actions underscore the need for investors to be discerning amongst countries,” Brown Brothers Harriman analysts said.

The news flow overnight “has once again reminded investors of the fragilities still present within the global economy, said ANZ bank economist Philip Borkin in Wellington. “However, positioning is also clearly playing a role as risk is taken off the table with the year-end approaching.”

The Nikkei 225 was down 1.5%, Australia’s S&P/ASX 200 was down 0.9%, South Korea’s Kospi Composite was off 0.3%. The Shanghai Composite index was 1.6% lower and Hong Kong’s Hang Seng Index was down 0.7%, while shares in Taiwan bucked the region and were up 0.1%. Dow Jones industrial average futures were 22 points higher in screen trade.

Shares in China were being led lower by banks on concerns of capital raising leading to massive stock supply.

Industrial Bank Co. said its shareholders had approved its plan to raise 18 billion yuan ($2.6 billion) in a rights issue to boost the lender’s capital adequacy ratio and support rapid lending growth in the next few years.

“Concerns over massive refinancing plans are overhanging bank stocks and make it difficult for the general market” to stop falls in the short term, said Shenyin Wanguo Securities analyst Li Xiaoxuan. Industrial Bank was down 3.2%, ICBC was off 1.3% and Bank of China was 1.2% lower.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 23:04:09

Uncle Buck loves bad economic news anymore…

* The Wall Street Journal
* FOREIGN EXCHANGE
* DECEMBER 9, 2009

Dollar Makes the Most of the Shaky Markets

More in Markets Main »
BY FABIO ALVES

NEW YORK—The dollar rose against most of its rivals Tuesday as worries about deteriorating global credit quality hurt demand for stocks, gold, oil and higher-yielding currencies.

The euro and the pound tumbled to one-month lows against the greenback. A number of other higher-yielding or commodity-related currencies declined sharply, including the Swedish krona, the Canadian dollar, the Mexican peso and the Australian dollar.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-08 23:08:43

Can renters who caulk their landord’s investment properties collect the $12K in free money?

Cash for Caulkers could seal $12,000 a home
Under President’s proposal, homeowners would be reimbursed for energy-efficient appliances and insulation.

Last Updated: December 8, 2009: 6:24 PM ET

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — President Obama proposed a new program Tuesday that would reimburse homeowners for energy-efficient appliances and insulation, part of a broader plan to stimulate the economy.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-09 00:13:45

Top News December 8, 2009, 6:42PM EST text size: TT
Americans Grow Gloomy About Future

Almost half the people now feel less financially secure than when President Barack Obama took office in January, a Bloomberg National Poll shows

By Mike Dorning and Rebecca Christie

(Bloomberg)—Americans have grown gloomier about both the economy and the nation’s direction over the past three months even as the U.S. shows signs of moving from recession to recovery.

Almost half the people now feel less financially secure than when President Barack Obama took office in January, a Bloomberg National Poll shows.

Those concerns have put consumers in a miserly mood as they head to the mall for holiday shopping, with half the country planning to spend less on gifts than last year and few buyers willing to run up credit-card debt for Christmas.

“The recession may be over, but the administration seems to be losing the battle when it comes to winning the hearts and minds of Americans,” says Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist for Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ Ltd. in New York. “This is important because the spending of consumers is the main factor that will turn the economic recovery into a self- sustaining one.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-09 00:19:34

A budget constrained J6P seems to be increasingly choosing beer over fast food.

P.S. My McDonald’s dining habits are unchanged by the Great Recession. Never ate there before; never eat there now.

Eating at McDonald’s is now a luxury?
Posted: December 08, 2009, 4:50 PM by Andrea Ball
McDonalds, economic recession, Market Call

Watch those Big Macs. No, no, it’s not because of your waistline—it’s because of what those meaty treats have to say about the economy. McDonald’s Corp., the world’s largest fast-food chain, said Tuesday that its sales are looking distinctly unappetizing. No matter what you think about fast food, this is not a good trend.

McDonald’s reports that comparable sales at its U.S. stores fell for a second month in a row in November, while global sales at restaurants open at least 13 months inched ahead by only 0.7%. The disappointing results appear to signal an end to the theory that McDonald’s could thrive in the middle of an economic downturn by offering low-cost Dollar Menus and other bargains.

The latest results also suggest that the U.S. consumer is now so strapped for cash that dining out, even at McDonald’s, is becoming a luxury. Other fast-food retailers, such as Yum! Brands Inc., owner of Taco Bell, KFC and Pizza Hut, are also hurting. Yum said last week that it expected an 8% fall in its comparable U.S. sales.

 
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2009-12-09 00:39:38

Thomas Sowell Blames Housing Bust on Frank, Bush, Greenspan

Sowell is one of the heroes of the housing bust. His incredulity about insane housing policies on both sides of the aisle are a great gift to the American public in defense of economic rationality.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-09 00:41:40

Interviewer: “Of George W Bush, Alan Greenspan and Barney Frank, who was the worst?”

Thomas Sowell: “Barney Frank, easily…”

 
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2009-12-09 00:46:03

Is there any doubt at this point that Dubai is ground zero and source of the initial impulse for the commercial real estate collapse?

Bye Bye Dubai , total collapse

 
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