Bits Bucket For December 18, 2009
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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Pimco’s Gross Boosts Cash to Most Since Lehman Failed (Update4)
Dec. 18 (Bloomberg) — Bill Gross, who runs the world’s biggest bond fund, cut government debt holdings and boosted cash to the most since Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. collapsed in 2008 amid increasing speculation that interest rates will rise.
Gross, who manages the $199.4 billion Total Return Fund at Pacific Investment Management Co., increased cash to 7 percent in November from negative 7 percent in October, according to Pimco’s Web site. The fund can have a so-called negative position by using derivatives, futures or by shorting. He reduced government-related securities to 51 percent from a five-year high of 63 percent in October.
Futures contracts on the Chicago Board of Trade show investors see a 41 percent chance the Federal Reserve will increase borrowing costs from a record low by June, versus 36 percent odds a month ago. Traders also raised bets on inflation to the most in 16 months after reports on retail sales and industrial production showed the economy picked up.
Gross dumped loads of MBS bonds, and a bunch of Treasury bonds too.
Sounds like someone is preparing for higher interest rates.
Again, TBT anyone?
All it takes for the Fed to spark a serious flight to quality rally into the dollar these days is to drop the vaguest hint that at some point in the indefinite future, they might have to unwind all their asset purchase programs and then, long after that, raise interest rates from zero percent.
I would have to take a contrarian view - the US Government can’t afford to unwind. Stop buying MBS, that will raise mortgages rates, ?1% overnight - not to mention further tightening on who can get mortgages. God forbid, actually selling some of the 2.2 trillion of bogus assets on the Fed’s books. With the commercial real estate just about to get interesting (refer to my post yesterday about Morgan Stanley doing a jinglemail on 5 office buildings in San Francisco) I would think we may need yet another liquidity program. And then there is the US Federal Budget deficit - what, the Chinese stop net buying of US Treasuries (and only rolling over short maturities) at the same time the Fed won’t buy the paper either. Maybe throwing an extra 1% interest might help marginally (it will certainly increase government financing costs) but I argue there aren’t enough suckers in the world to keep buying.
Maybe we will have a rally in the dollar, only because the world perceives crisises in places like Dubai and Greece worse than the impending disaster here. I am not optimistic our country will make the very hard decisions ahead which will be necessary to restore a sound currency, and the government will print uncontrollably just to survive.
As Peter Schiff has pointed out many times, if the government can print its way out of our problems then it should just hand everyone $1 million in cash and then we wouldn’t have to worry about foreclosures, unemployment and such, right?
“I would have to take a contrarian view - the US Government can’t afford to unwind.”
Not sure what in my post suggested I think otherwise. In fact, in a post I made yesterday, I suggested that one option for the Fed is to continually drop hints for the foreseeable future regarding their plans to unwind, while never actually unwinding. Fooling games are one of the Fed’s few remaining policy tools once they find themselves pushing on a string with ZIRP.
He must agree with those of us who see a major dollar rally dead ahead.
I don’t know about a major dollar rally, but I dumped 50% of my unhedged foreign bond position just in case late last week.
Smart! Maybe I should act on my own advice and unwind my foreign currency gambles before the rest of the world acts. But I will probably keep them in place, as part of my overall diversification strategy.
‘Sizzling’ Shanghai Homes Defy Tax, Bubble Concerns (Update1)
Dec. 18 (Bloomberg) — Gloria Gu paid $483,000 for an apartment near Shanghai’s financial district so her 3-year-old son could attend one of the city’s best kindergartens. Six months later, a similar place in her building sold for $615,000.
“Prices are way past reasonable,” said Gu, 31, a food company manager who bought her three-bedroom, 140-square-meter (1,507-square-foot) apartment in the Pudong area in May. “The market is too good to be true.”
Escalating prices in Pudong, transformed within two decades from vegetable fields to skyscrapers for Citigroup Inc. and HSBC Holdings Plc, underscore a Chinese property market that set record highs this year after the government unleashed $1.3 trillion in new bank lending to counter the global recession.
I’m gonna cancel all of my subscriptions since WMBZ posts all the news fit to print right here on the HBB.
Wombat’s World.
Any idea how big the real estate bubble in China has become? It it just isolated areas like Shanghai or it this also going on in the hinterlands? I remember that the party “suggested” that banks start lending, similar to the sub-prime debacle made in USA.
A fellow I know has a son that has been living and working in Beijing for about four years now. He reports that he has seen large increases in RE rental rates along with sales prices. The population really wants to westernize.
I was in Beijing about 15 years ago, at that time there were “Mc Mansions” sprouting up on the road to the Great Wall. Was sort of surreal, as they were rebuilding into a new 4 lane highway, but mostly with manual labor.
Even then, it was possible to eat at Pizza Hut and the Hard Rock cafe. At that time, tips in dollars were requested / preferred. But all tour guides stuck to approved positions on anything remotely political.
Amazing place to visit, glad I saw it.
Amazing place to visit, glad I saw it. My sister worked as an English teacher in Harbin for 6 months at that time. She enjoyed everything about it except for the choking air pollution, so bad she left her job early & returned to the US. It took a year for her lungs to recover.
Rental rates in Shanghai are down since 2 years ago.
Home prices are about 400x rent, on their way further up. But this multiplier varies - in marginal areas it can be even higher, not lower!
There is a lot of supply coming in, and the public transport (subway) network is being expanded at a phenomenal pace making new suburban developments that much more viable.
I would like to say thank you Wmbz. I appreciate your efforts. You bring relevant articles to the blog. Happy holidays
I second the thanks. Your rapid-fire posting skills are truly admirable…
Yep, I say thank you also .
‘Its different in Shanghai’…
“‘Sizzling’ Shanghai Homes Defy Tax, Bubble Concerns (Update1)”
Sounds like they are also defying gravity, at least for the time being. When this bubble pops, it will make the U.S. housing bubble collapse look like a popping soap bubble by comparison.
Hey guys,
If the rate banks lend to each other is near 0% or very low now, what’s going to happen when it slowly starts to rise? Isnt the interest rate that is somewhere around 4% for loans going to go up? Plus, how fast will the rate to buy a house go up along with the bank rate? Now, I’m not as hard core as most of you, but you have had an effect. When I get home about april, may timeframe, should I be thinking about a modest house? Right now, I pay about $1650 a month for a four bedroom house connected to a mirror house just like it next door (Picerne military housing). It looks like Bragg isnt going anywhere, I retire from the military in about three years and my daughter will graduate high school in four years. There will be ample jobs for a guy like me on Bragg. To be honest, I am afraid the Fed will start raising rates and I will get stuck with an 8% loan and kicking myself in the ass I didnt act quicker. I know, I know with the big down payment stuff, but a 4% loan is always better than a 8% loan…
Remember, if rates go up then monthly payments also go up. This means rising rates puts pressure on prices, makes them less affordable.
Rate increases tends to force prices down.
Put differently: If housing prices are determined by howmuchamonth buyers then rising rates will increase howmuchamonth payments. The only way to get these payments down to where they were before the rate increase is to decrease the price.
What he said.
It all depends on how much cash you’re willing and able to put in. If it’s significant, then it’s worth waiting; and maybe even if it’s not significant. Housing prices still have a ways go to down, which will offset interest rate rises in terms of your costs. And a significant interest rate rise will make housing prices go down even more - especially compared with inflation.
The key piece of data is - foreclosures are still very much on the rise. This will continue to put downward pressure on housing prices for 3-5 years at least, if not more.
There will be tons of stimulus efforts to try and offset this. Currently this includes the Fed MBS purchases and the $8k / $6.5k tax credit. Both are scheduled to end in the spring, but don’t think for a minute that something won’t take their place then - either an extension, expansion, or some other stimulus program. This will serve to slow and extend the home price decline, and may cause temporary dead-cat-bounces like we’ve seen this year, but in the end further decline is inevitable.
See “TED spread” at Wikipedia.
I’m in a similar dilemma. And I’m starting to lose my mind. Baby on the way, would love to buy, but here’s my thinking:
1. If you are approved for a monthly payment of $1,000 at 4%, that means you will probably be approved for a $1,000. That’s a $210k mortgage.
2. At 8% your bank is STILL going to say you can afford a monthly payment of $1,000. At 8% that is a $140K mortgage.
This means your purchasing power just got cut by 35%! But..so did everyone else’s! Prices will have to come down (IMO).
Further, if you’ve ever spoken to someone who bought in the early 80’s at a 13% mtg. They made a killing on two fronts.
1. They were able to refinance as rates came back down, bringing their monthly payments waaay down. If you buy at 4.5%, I don’t think you’ll ever be able to refi. At least at 8% there’s a chance for refinancing in the future.
2. As the rates went down, buyers could afford more, and so prices rose.
For us, this has left us with one definite take-away, if we buy, we are absolutely not going to stretch for a “dream house”.
I bought in 1990 at 12%. The high rates were just an excuse for poor sales, if you had cash.
I bought in 1980 at 11.5%. For years I was paying more for the house than I would have paid to rent the same type of house in the same area. My *&#@$!! CPA advised me not to pay off the mortgage, but invest the difference. After a few years of seeing little or no results from my investments, I paid off the mortgage 20 years early, and suddenly my retirement savings began to mushroom. Fortunately I bought a cheap house that I was able to work on myself.
That’s what my husband did with his home ( our retirement home that we rent out right now ), and we’re very glad that he paid it off 18 years early. We don’t have any worries now as long as we pay the taxes on the place.
We did the same thing, but in 1990. Our original mortgage rate was 10.75%. Refinanced twice, final interest rate 6.75%, paid off a 15 year mortgage in 14 years and done. I figure that property tax, insurance, utilities and home maintenance cost us $1,000 a month. Still, it’s great to not have that mortgage payment, and there’s no way we could rent a similar house for $1,000 a month.
And, as the wage/price spiral took hold, their wages went up making the payments on their mortgage easier.
Good thing wages will go up this time around… oh, wait… nuts…
Inflation in all things but wages and luxury items.
That’s not how it happened for me, Asparagus.
Bought in 1983 at 14%. 200K down payment. No option ARMs available at that time. 14K/month in mortgage and insurance. Tax bill was another 10K nut. This was in coastal Orange County on the beach– and we actually LOST 10% when we sold three years later.
There was a huge deflation in home values in the early 80’s. Lotsa people lost big time money in CA. during that bubble. Same thing with condos along Wilshire corridor.
“I know, I know with the big down payment stuff, but a 4% loan is always better than a 8% loan…”
Only if the amount of money borrowed is doesn’t change, but it will. Remember that economics is dynamic, not static. As interest rates rise, prices will fall.
Scenario
The average buyer can afford $1300/month for their mortgage, and have $30K for a down payment. Interest rates are at 4%. and on average $300K house, $30K down, 4% interest rate on 30 year amortization. Payment will be $1300.
Interest rates raise to 8% and buyers can still only handle $1300/month. With $30K down, the house price will have to drop to $210K.
So in your case, wait for the rates to rise and the prices to drop. Also keep in mind the larger the down payment, the more it works in your favour.
The first time home buyer incentive will end I believe April 2010 which is an increase in what it takes to buy a house. Lets see what happens to home prices after this date. I assume interest rates will stay constant to determine the impact. Also I wonder what it will take for the hidden inventory to go to the market. Seems to me banks would want to move that inventory now while interest rates are low and there are government incentives so that they will not loose even more. People have a lot of debt which will cause this downturn to continue for years. That means few home buyers for a long time and lots of inventory. Remember Detroit where the value of a home can be negative because of the demolition cost.
The main problem with renting is the landlord may want the property back and there is the cost of moving. That is why I bought because the wife was going nuts over this disruption problem. We had to move three times in five years. However, prices here have gone down 3.7% since I bought in Eau Claire so I only have $1300 of the $8000 first time home buyer bonus left, and I think it will only get worse with time.
I imagine they will extend the tax credit again.
They will. They have to. The game must continue.
The path has been chosen: print until we cross the threshold of oblivion. Then, run around screaming, “who could have knowed?!”
Bloomberg Dec 17, 2009
‘Shadow Inventory’ of U.S. Homes Climbs, Report Says (Update1)
Dec. 17 (Bloomberg) — The number of homes that may be in the pipeline for a sale because of foreclosure and delinquency climbed about 55 percent to 1.7 million at the end of September, according to estimates by First American CoreLogic.
The “shadow inventory” rose from 1.1 million a year earlier. Such properties include those taken over by banks and mortgage companies and those where the loans are at least 90 days delinquent, the Santa Ana, California-based research firm said in a report today. The number of unsold homes listed for sale was 3.8 million in September, down from 4.7 million a year earlier, First American said.
Unemployment in the U.S. is helping drive foreclosures, which may slow the real estate recovery as more houses come on the market. Total inventory — including the shadow supply — was 5.5 million in September, down from 5.7 million a year earlier.
“While the visible month’s supply has decreased and is beginning to approach more normal levels, adding in the pending supply reveals there is still quite a bit of inventory that will impact the housing market for the next few years,” First American said.
Leigh
Well, we are sitting here trying to figure out what will be the job driver that gets us out of recession?
Last time was housing.
Before that Tech/SUVs.
This time… big pharma?
“…1.7 million at the end of September, according to estimates by First American CoreLogic.”
How does that estimate square with the 7 million figure that keeps regularly showing up in print?
P.S. Given First American’s REIC constituency, I would expect them to paint as much lipstick on the pig as is reasonably possible…
LOL P’Bear - a similiar thought went through my head (the pig with lipstick is a fun visualization - snort)!
7 mil vs 1.7 mil is a huge discrepency indeed.
The post illustrates that shadow inventory is getting a BIT more attention, and I for one want the sun to shine and bring inventory out of the darn shadows!
Leigh
7 mil is the total foreclosures expected over an N year period (some period that whoever came up with the number decided was the downturn).
1.7 mil is the current backlog / shadow inventory.
7 mil IMO is very low. RealtyTrac keeps fairly close tabs on these numbers - and had 2.2M in 2007, and 3.2M in 2008. So I think we’re looking at more like about 15M before this is all said and done, over the course of about 7-10 years. Way more than 7 mil.
Also RealtyTrac has 1.955 Mil as the “current foreclosure inventory”. I believe that’s actual visible inventory - i.e. doesn’t include shadow inventory. So total of the two then would be about 3.6 mil current. Though I’m not sure if RealtyTrac’s 1.955 has any overlap with the stated 1.7 mil shadow or not.
“So I think we’re looking at more like about 15M before this is all said and done, over the course of about 7-10 years. Way more than 7 mil.”
You da (pack)man!
…which may slow the real estate recovery
It is astounding how entrenched this mindset is.
What recovery? Recover to what? To when houses were so expensive that it took Loans of Mass Destruction to buy one?
House prices falling - now that’s a “recovery” - foreclosures only hasten this process, which should be considered a Good Thing.
Why oh why do these people not understand that the whole problem was HIGH PRICES totally out-of-whack with fundamentals?
Ai!
“The main problem with renting is the landlord may want the property back and there is the cost of moving.”
You can have some amount of control of this issue by choosing your landlord well. When I rented my current house, I was more interested in the landlord’s history than I was in the particulars of the house.
In my case, the LL has been renting the house out for about 25yrs, so the odds that he will choose to do something else with it seem fairly low.
Vet your LL carefully.
“The first time home buyer incentive will end I believe April 2010 which is an increase in what it takes to buy a house.”
Didn’t it already end on November 30, 2009?
Extend and pretend!
I’m sorry ,but if I could get a 4% fixed interest rate I might consider a purchase under certain circumstances . If your a all cash buyer you can hold out as long as you want and even get a better deal ,but if you need financing it’s a different story . What I would think about is the following .
(1) Has the area taken it’s major fall yet if it was a big bubble area .(Is there a lot of foreclosure shadow inventory )
(2) Is the area likely to have 80% foreclosures in the future ,if so
you might be buying something that will change to much .
(3) Does the area have sustainable jobs in the future that will keep the demand up in the future .
(4)Are you buying the house for long term ownership knowing that in the future you might not be able to sell depending on what future lending markets look like ,knowing also that rents might go down more also if you had to rent the place in the future .
(5) Consider what price you want to offer based on everything going to hell in a hand basket and low ball offers based on that risk for the future .Do your homework and know what the foreclosures are going out at in the area .
(6) Make sure you have appraised any damage that has to be fixed and up the costs to fix any damage . Also ,Do your homework and find out how long the property has been vacant (check for any damage they are trying to hide ).
(7) Do you have enough money for ongoing repairs of the property and insurance and have you researched what the real tax bill will be and considered what property taxes could go to in the area .
For Instance ,in Las Vegas they charge a much higher property tax rate for investors .
But if you can find a good deal at 4% interest and your job , or income flow is stable,
than it might be ok to buy if you have done your homework on the area and you know the risks . But keep in mind ,they might be giving houses away in another year or two . I’m just making this statement for people who would need financing ,which happens to be favorable right now ,but they might even up the incentives in the near future ,who knows .
Stpn2me,
I think it depends on your long term plans. Is this as place you like living and are willing to commit to?
I have retired military friends who purchased a house and a few acres near their last stateside posting because it was a place they could envision retiring.
They had a couple more overseas tours, then he retired and took a job with a defense contractor that also took them overseas (at a $ that they felt they couldn’t refuse) because it enabled them to boost their savings and pay down the house. When gone they sometimes rented, sometimes had a friend house sit.
Bottom line: they worked very hard and have paid down almost all of the mortgage in less than 10 years and put 2 kids through college with minimal student loan debt. They are very self-sufficient but not stingy - grow nearly all they eat, from beef to berries - and are very happy in a kind of lifestyle that isn’t for everyone but is their dream.
So to pass on one of the best pieces of advice I’ve ever been given: figure out what you would want if money was not a factor (financial independence, self-sufficiency, ability to travel, climate, etc.) and make your decisions using those priorities (and some HBB financial good sense). Will it make you happy?
Will it make you happy?
Hearing of the snow back home near mom has me teary eyed. The triad area of N.C. isnt a bad place to live, I am just concerned of the jobs. I wont have to make 100k there as my military pension will make up any short falls.
Thanks for the advice…
The guy who gave me that advice is my hero, as he is an example of living by it.
Hes’ the happiest person I know, lives well on less money than most people, but if you haven’t known him for a long time wouldn’t know how frugal he really is. Had a (wine driven) heart-to-heart with him a few months ago and was truly surprised at how little he actually spends to live.
He’s in his early 60’s, lives a “paid off” life and has arranged things so that he can pay all his basic expenses on SS and and very modest withdrawals from his 401K / savings. No debt on CC’s, cars, etc. Spends his time caring for an elderly parent, taking bike trips and is the best cook ever. Sometimes works part time to finance a trip abroad or similar goal without taking money from savings.
He lives more fully than nearly any one I know.
I’m trying to figure out how I can emulate him.
Its very simple.
Most Americans are followers. Stop being a follower and become an individual.
1. Set down some roots.
Decide where you want to live and stay there the rest of your life. Moving for a job, for more money, will cost far more than its worth.
2. If married, always live on one income..save the rest.
3. Never buy a new car…let some other fool take the depreciation hit.
4. Do you really have to have the cell phone, wide screen tv, GPS, games, gadgets? Just more crap to occupy an empty life.
5. Never pay for your kids education, until they bring you a degree. Make em earn it first.
6. Never, never have a credit card. Credit scores are for followers of the financial leeches. Cash always talks and everything else walks.
7. Doctors and medicine. You know more about your health than they do. They treat symtoms. Pay for all the minor expenses and dental care in cash. Buy insurance for the big one. 10k deductible. Life insurance..for what? So they can bury you. Another suckers game.
8. Give up the idea of instant gratification. Patience is a virtue worth thousands.
9. Worry only about that which you can control.
10. Never believe the experts, believe in you and yours. Confidence is 90% of life.
Great rules to live by, Terry!
Well first, you have to make enough money to save…
“Well first, you have to make enough money to save…”
Or budget at a sufficiently low level of expenditures to leave some spare change for saving. Of course, there is no reason to do this if you believe future inflation is going to run rampant — in that case, you should park as much dough in real assets (gold, stocks, real estate, etc) as you can afford and hope for the best.
I think its still a fairly low cost area with good presence in multiple sectors of the economy. We lose a few engineers to that area.
I liked it when I lived there. Probably have business friendly laws still, so you get better recovery there.
We have a saying on this blog, “You can always refinance out of a high interest rate, but you can never refinance the principal.”
Bingo!
So, if higher interest rates lower house prices, and mortgage interest is deductible, doesn’t it kind of make sense to buy a house when interest rates are higher and then refinance when interest rates drop again?
But you can always walk away from the principal, especially if you live in a nonrecourse state (like California, for instance).
Step:
Millions will have to pay higher payments on Credit cards…banks have been issuing Variable rate cards like crazy this year…
If the rate banks lend to each other is near 0% or very low now, what’s going to happen when it slowly starts to rise?
I had a First Premier card when my credit sucked. I would charge $20 on it ($500 limit) and all of sudden there would be a $48 balance. I hated it. When my FICO passed 700, I paid off the card and closed it during my last deployment. It was a good feeling.
We’ve been making lowball rent offers with no success. I’ve been trying to negotiate the monthly rent — do you think I would be more successful agreeing to monthly rent but asking for “one free month!” ?
Our landlords have told us that they want the house back this summer for a vacation property.
“Our landlords have told us that they want the house back this summer for a vacation property.”
The negotiating leverage just went to your landlords.
That depends on how long the eviction process lasts in Florida.
My point is the landlords have no incentive to lower the rent if they want the tennant out this summer. In fact, they may even raise the rent to hasten the tennant’s departure.
“That depends on how long the eviction process lasts in Florida.”
I wouldn’t do that to them. They have been way awesome to us, and we have been below market the whole time. I wouldn’t call them friends, but amazing landlords that understand every angle, yes.
Nobody else seems to care that we are a responsible, employed young family — they just want the monthly nut.
The problem is, you pretty much have to be willing to move. It’s the landlords who have been feeding the alligator on an empty property who realize what the oversupply of housing has done to the rental market. Your current landlord probably thinks that they can just advertize the place with a wishing rent and then it will fill up soon.
Wait - in summer? I thought vacation season in FL was winter when the snowbirds descend.
Maybe they intend to execute the strategic flip.
My Dad lives in Hollywood and he said they’re overrun with Canucks this year due to the favorable CD/USD exchange rate. Or maybe that’s the story all of the potential landlords are using on him when they want to gouge him on the rent.
Are you negotiating on a new rental property? Or trying to negotiate on your current place? I’m confused.
My deal is 1 year lease, then month-to-month afterwards until I move or am asked to vacate (which I don’t see happening any time in the near future). LL also said he doesn’t raise rent on good tenants and, so far, that’s been the case with me (been there 2.5 years now). You could try to negotiate something like that (if you’re talking about a new place).
I think we just scored a 3800 sqft commercial space with power included for $1000/month. New development / clubhouse type place (known as hackerspace) is about to be a go. Waiting to get the lease to make sure there are no gotchas.
Read this book as soon as possible:
Getting to Yes
A few basic principles you can learn from reading this book are applicable to your situation, which we might term Mutually Assured Depensation:
1) A renter with no alternative housing solution is at their landlord’s mercy.
2) A renter whose wife hates moving can have his rent jacked up by the maximum amount of additional rent the wife is willing to pay to avoid relocating.
3) A landlord who fears his dependable renters might move away can be coaxed into reducing the rent by the amount of loss he anticipates due to the break in rents while he searches for a new tenant plus the risk the future tenant proves less reliable in making payments or taking care of the property.
P.S. Does anyone else note that online books are showing deep, deep discounts this holiday season? This shows what compromises retailers are making to “Get to Yes” this year…
I bought that book from half/amazon last time someone mentioned it on here. Unfortunately, with my reading speed, I haven’t gotten to getting to yes yet. Still working on Insidious and Rise of the Creative Class.
“…last time someone mentioned it on here.”
Moi — I confess to being a serial mentioner.
Sorry for the confusion: us moving out this summer is a non-negotiable. The landlords have been great, and we’ve had a nice run in this set-up. Our lease ends at the end of March — they will let us go month-to-month until June, at which point they want the joint back to fix it up. The owner is a doctor and his wife deals with the house — they have no problem financially.
The lowballs I mentioned have been on 3 places nearby that have been on the market for months — hello! lower the friggin’ price.
By March there should even better deals out there. More space for less money.
One lesson I have learned from moving around all my life: start getting ready NOW. As in, right this minute.
From today’s Bloomberg DOT com:
Harvard Swaps Are So Toxic Even Summers Won’t Explain — On 10/31/08, as vanishing credit spurred the government-led rescue of dozens of financial institutions, Harvard was so strapped for cash that it asked Massachusetts for fast-track approval to borrow $2.5 billion. Almost $500 million was used within days to exit agreements known as interest-rate swaps that Harvard had entered to finance expansion. The swaps, which assumed that interest rates would rise, proved so toxic that the 373-year-old institution agreed to pay banks a total of almost $1 billion to terminate them. Most of the wrong-way bets were made in 2004, when Lawrence Summers led the university. As a member of Harvard’s ruling body, Summers approved the decision to use the swaps. He declined comment for this article. “For nonprofits, this is going to be written up as a case study of what not to do,” said Mark Williams, a finance professor at Boston University. “Harvard throws itself out as a beacon of what to do in higher learning. Clearly, there have been major missteps.”
While Harvard Corp. is ultimately responsible for the school’s financial decisions, the losses sustained by the school in almost every financial domain — the endowment, cash account and swaps — suggest that oversight was lax, said Harry Lewis, a Harvard alumnus, computer science professor and former dean of Harvard College. “They have a structural problem,” Lewis said in a telephone interview. “There’s something systemically wrong with Harvard Corp. It’s too small, too secretive, too closed and not supported by enough eyeballs looking at the risks they are taking.”
“Most of the wrong-way bets were made in 2004, when Lawrence Summers led the university”.
That should help America rest easy, we must be on the right track considering he is Barry’s chief economic adviser. Nothing but the best and the brightest.
“Harvard throws itself out as a beacon of what to do in higher learning. Clearly, there have been major missteps.”
Oh my! These are the prima donna eggheads of academia! The entrenched intelligentsia that presumes it should run the lives of everyone else! How could anything ever go wrong???
If reality would stop getting in the way of their theories, they would be right all the time… or something…
The neocon mantra.
Just like McNamara!
“There’s something systemically wrong with Harvard Corp. It’s too small, too secretive, too closed and not supported by enough eyeballs looking at the risks they are taking.”
Let’s magnify the “scope” and adjust the “focus” of such an “inquisitive” theory:
“There’s something systemically wrong with Federal Reserve Corp. It’s too small, too secretive, too closed and not supported by enough eyeballs looking at the risks they are taking.”
Well kids, now what do you see?
now what do you see? What you just posted is exactly what I thought when I read that article. Submission to overlords, even the ‘best and the brightest,’ has its drawbacks.
What did William F. Buckley say about he’d rather be governed by the first 200 people in the Boston phone book as opposed to the faculty of Harvard…Seems that the financial directors aren’t too talented either. Don’t they have a business faculty that they could have consulted with? It’s an okay school, right?
The swaps, which assumed that interest rates would rise, proved so toxic that the 373-year-old institution agreed to pay banks a total of almost $1 billion to terminate them. Most of the wrong-way bets were made in 2004, when Lawrence Summers led the university. As a member of Harvard’s ruling body, Summers approved the decision to use the swaps. He declined comment for this article.
Did’nt larry then go on to make a huge pile of cash giving short speeches to these very same banks???
MBS,CDS securitization in general were designed to seperate conservative investors from their money. They were designed to strip wealth from pensions and endowments and retired people.
The Market Makers thought they would make a killing on the interest once it adjusted from the teaser rate ,or they thought they would get
serial refinancing and get pre=pays and have built in business
playing on the public urge to have higher lifestyles at some greater fools expense . What a scheme ,what a bizarre use of what should just be a place to live . They never should of messed with peoples homes to
try to generate a money making machine .
…playing on the public urge to have higher lifestyles
I will forever contend that it was the cumulative result of 30+ years of television advertising that cultivated this urge and made it available for harvest.
In the decades since the GD, American’s patience, prudence and thrift have been steadily hacked away by incessant advertising, leaving people feeling empty and substandard, a nation of willing patsies.
It was many things. But in the end it all amounted to the fleecing of middle class America and the denial of serious problems.
Can’t go around saying the greatest nation on earth is having standard of living problems caused by an arrogant aristocracy, now can we?
Another gem from Bloomberg: “Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc, recipient of the world’s biggest banking bailout, is contributing 10 pounds ($16) a head toward employee Christmas parties this year, enough to buy two pints of lager and a packet of potato chips.”
I’m sure their happy employees would rather just have the cash.
hahaha
That sux even more than our little lunch meeting yesterday.
(Although props to them, at least they get booze.)
“Bah! Humbug!”
Greenspan backs deficit-reduction commission.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan on Thursday endorsed a proposed bipartisan commission to help make the tough calls needed to get the spiraling and record U.S. debt under control.
Testifying before the Senate Homeland Security Committee, Greenspan warned that the United States must quickly begin to erase red ink to avert possible disaster.
“Our nation has never before had to confront so formidable a fiscal crisis as is now visible just over the horizon,” said Greenspan, who headed the central bank from 1987 to 2006.
Greenspan, a long-time deficit hawk, was seen as somewhat of an economic oracle while he headed the Fed and his word routinely moved financial markets.
Why should we care what Greenspan thinks? He’s been so wrong.
So who at the FED or treasury has been right?
So who at the FED or treasury has been right?
None of the current inmates, AFAICT. Some of the former Fed workers, such as Paul Volcker and William K. Black, have a track record of good sense & accurate assessments, and they are speaking out about what could be done to improve our situation, but no one pays attention to them.
Even those working at the federal level who have been half-right, like Sheila Bair, the head of the FDIC, are barely hanging on. From today’s WSJ: Connecticut Democrat Christopher Dodd, the Senate Banking Committee chairman, has proposed revoking almost all of Ms. Bair’s powers to supervise banks, as part of a sweeping financial-regulation bill now under consideration in the Senate.
That would leave Ms. Bair in charge of an agency whose primary role is to clean up banks after they fail, with little part in monitoring them before problems erupt. So, Ms. Bair has been working for months to beat back the idea. Sen. Dodd needs to leave office ASAP.
I am sure Dodd would like to concentrate banking system regulatory power where he could more easily control it. Sheila Bair’s independent approach is a threat to power consolidation efforts.
And perhaps old boys like Dodd don’t like to see powerful females stepping up to the plate and hitting the baseball? Is Dodd a closet sexist?
William Black is cool. I’ve been meaning to buy his books.
I think it’s important to say that prior Fed Chairmans were operating under a more regulated system ,more control on the money supply ,and also absent the Globalism that has taken
place . Wall Street loves deregulation and Globalism ,it makes the World their oyster .
Surely you aren’t suggesting that extremely wealthy people would take advantage of those less fortunate, are you?
You know - this is the most frustrating thing about this whole thing. When a dummy-head like me and my barely smarter than me wife - spent years scratching our heads as house prices skyrocketed.
Junior folks at work were buying houses @ 3X our values…and I cringed at my mortgage. Then came the new 50K SUV’s and travel and pools.
We thought we MUST be doing something wrong. This crap was so obvious - all you had to do was open your eyes.
Greenspan, Bernanke, Summers, Geithner - all clueless fools and tools of Wall Street. Luckily, our family is doing just fine…no thanks to these ass-clowns.
Judging from the Man of the Year award, being right is of little consequence when it comes to wielding power in the U.S. banking system.
“…Greenspan warned that the United States must quickly begin to erase red ink to avert possible disaster.”
That’s all Sir “KightedOne” said for 8 years, pounding his fist angrily on the table: “You want to destroy x2 Foreign Gov’ts & 98% of their citizen’s infrastructure and then “Shazam-Islam-is-Democracy” use the US military to “Nation-Build™” their country back to the point the local folks can safety walk to a newly constructed McDonald’s & StarMucks, and I’m telling you sirs, I ‘m “a long-time deficit hawk”!… I will not be a part of any such “Fiscally Irresponsible” shenanigans, for goodness sake…do you have any idea how much that will cost? Well do you?
I guess no one saw how pissed he was about such things…;-)
Sounds like he’s acting as someone’s mouthpiece. But whose? DB? ECB? I wonder.
(Bloomberg) - Bank of England official Andrew Haldane said the departure of financial institutions from the U.K. to avoid tighter regulation may be “a price worth paying” for the sake of the economy. Bank of England Governor Mervyn King has called for regulation forcing lenders to separate retail operations from investment banking to protect the economy from future financial crises. Haldane said that there is a need to “redirect” regulation because “those institutions that spread the risk disease furthest and in the biggest way ought to be subject to more stringent, and harder-hitting regulation up front.”
“There is not so much as a scintilla of evidence of bigger being better in banking,” he said, according to the BBC. “Bigger certainly isn’t better when the going gets tough. Bigger during this crisis has meant bigger bailouts, not better bailouts.”
The Brits have a way with the English language.
Credit card’s newest trick: 79.9% interest
Candice Choi, Associated Press
NEW YORK — It’s no mistake. This credit card’s interest rate is 79.9%.
The bloated APR is how First Premier Bank, a subprime credit card issuer, is skirting new regulations intended to curb abusive practices in the industry. It’s a strategy other subprime card issuers could start adopting to get around the new rules.
Typically, the First Premier card comes with a minimum of $256 in fees in the first year for a credit line of $250. Starting in February, however, a new law will cap such fees at 25% of a card’s credit line.
In a recent mailing for a preapproved card, First Premier lowers fees to just that limit — $75 in the first year for a credit line of $300. But the new law doesn’t set a cap on interest rates. Hence the 79.9% APR, up from the previous 9.9%.
“It’s the highest on the market. It’s the highest we’ve ever seen,” said Anuj Shahani, an analyst with Synovate, a research firm that tracks credit card mailings.
The terms are eyebrow raising, but First Premier targets people with bad credit who likely can’t get approved for cards elsewhere. It’s a group that tends to lean heavily on credit too, meaning they’ll likely incur steep financing charges.
So for a $300 balance, a cardholder would pay $20 a month in interest.
Why is this a suprise? Credit card companies arent in it to help you out, they are in it to make money…I see no problem with this. You screwed up your credit, this is a result of that bad management. And if it further screws up your credit, then so be it…live with it..
I dont think they will be issueing many cards at that rate.
“I dont think they will be issueing many cards at that rate.”
Oh I think they will. I suspect many of their customers can barely read, and they certainly don’t understand the concept of percentage.
The poor are most likely to get fleeced, and I think the most likely to not fight back? I seem to recall reading that poor people actually feel a bigger obligation to try to pay on debt.
“The poor are most likely to get fleeced”
I would argue that the foolish/uneducated/unintelligent are the most likely to get fleeced. Caveat emptor—the principle has not changed for millenia.
Did you ever calculate the “interest rate” on an NSF check? One of the excuses the payday lenders use is that it can be cheaper to borrow from them than to bounce a check.
The poor really do get hosed.
Being poor does not cause NSF checks. Bouncing checks is a direct result of either being too lazy to balance your checkbook, or too innumerate to accomplish the task.
“Bouncing checks is a direct result of either being too lazy to balance your checkbook, or too innumerate to accomplish the task.”
Oh, the obvious third cause is to know the money is not in your account to clear the check, and writing it anyway through a lack of sense or discipline.
“…live with it”
Amazingly, some folks will resort to “criminal activities” in order to pay off this weeks “loan” that is readily provided by others who themselves are engaged in “criminal activities”…crime begets crime… quick,someone turn on Gotham’s Bat-light!
I KNEW I should have picked up that Batman ball cap and t-shirt set when I was at Target today. Damn.
+1 Stpn2me…
If you don’t like the way a credit card does business with you, you have to choices: don’t use the credit card, or whine to mommy government to do something.
Considering every single Congress Critter is in the back pocket of the banks, I think most people would be better off not doing business with credit card companies.
Besides - the credit card profiled above has better rates than your average dope-slinging loan-shark in the projects anyway. And they won’t break your legs if you fail to pay.
I have no problem with these high rates on cards as long as they are prominently displayed.
I do have a problem with them increasing rates up once some one has a balance.
Aw Bad Chile, but we have no choice.
You may not need to pay with one, but you often have to produce one to transact many forms of business. Like renting a car. Or an apt.
It often acts as a form of security deposit and an instant validation of at least a minimum of credit worthiness.
Also usury is usury. Period.
Stpn2me, it’s called usury. Look it up.
A practice usually condemned in polite and civilized countries.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34459843/ns/us_news-washington_post//
Lots of hardluck stories in this one. I think of it as an adaptability problem. These area’s just dont change very well. I notice on the last page about the “big man” who is 55 and his 54 yr old wife. Both have been laid off. Their chief comment is, “He is hard working and never missed a day of work. She just wants to go to work”…
To me, even statements like this arent good enough. Although they are in the prime of their lives, they either planned poorly or didnt adapt to future expectations. Companies just dont need someone to be able to move a box from place to place. I notice she says neither of them are “book” or “Math” people. Well if that’s the case, shouldnt she expect to be where she is now? You arent going to get the better jobs if you arent educated. I see a revolt of the masses coming…
Have I lost all my compassion? What do you do when pity and compassion costs tax dollars and the money could possibly go into a black hole with no return? What do you do when those seeking compassion outnumber those who can give tax dollars?
There, but for the Grace of God, go I. And you.
Stpn, about twenty-five years ago the military began cutting its ranks.
I heard stories then of grown men with eighteen years of service crying like babies because they weren’t allowed to re-enlist and make their twenty.
Yes, I remember them well.
Now that the military doesnt have to recruit hard, they are letting some people with MOS’s (job specialties) that are bloated contracts expire and are booting them out and not letting them reenlist. I can say now as a company commander, I have almost met next quarter’s retention targets, not to mention this quarter. Everyone is trying to stay in, but the army is only keeping the best and those that perform. It’s good I guess, but the only jobs the army is hiring for is infantry and other jobs that deploy. I have alot of soldiers trying to make the army a 9 to 5, and it just isnt going to work. Our job is over here. They also have been coming down on welfare recruiters, you know, those who recruit single moms from the projects. Now I hear if you have more than one or two kids and you are a single mom, you probably wont get in. Alot of people are trying to get in now…
And that’s the sad state of our economy where the military is the BEST choice for millions of people.
I guess Step I am from the old school “What if they gave a war and nobody came?”
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Now I hear if you have more than one or two kids and you are a single mom, you probably wont get in. Alot of people are trying to get in now…
Hmmm. Unemployment or IEDs? The guys chose IEDs. Interesting and tragic.
JMO, but I don’t know why the armed forces EVER enlisted anyone below the age of (say) 22 that has kids……to me, that is a sign of fundamentally bad judgement.
“If the Army wanted you to have a wife, they would have issued you one!!”
This rant isnt aimed at anyone on this board, it’s just an observation.
But I think it’s sad for it to take a recession for people to want to serve their country, and not because of there being no jobs….But if times were good, they would not come anywhere near the military.
I serve now out of selfless service, I could have gotten out years ago. But not everyone feels this way.
I dont mind the liberal viewpoint that all war is wrong. I can even stomach those who say they dont like the military. But its the disrespect that has grown from the anti-military types that is getting me. For years between about 1945 and 1960ish, there was grudging respect for the military from leftists. They understood that without someone who would fight or die to allow them to have their views, their views wouldnt exist. It seems far-leftists dont understand this anymore. They think that no matter who is in charge, they can continue to be the obnoxious, dissenters they think they are, and the establishment will be politically correct and let them have their way. They have never seen true oppression, and were born years from WW2, so they dont know what true oppression is. I think military service is good for young people. It teaches you sacrifice and love of the nation. Especially for those who serve in oppressive nations, it teaches you that human rights are protected, not something that is automatically gained or given. Our country is so spoiled in thinking they have “rights”. Everything we have is protected by the military and police i.e. (free speech, privacy, due process) and by extension these things are given to us. Without the military to uphold these rights and protect your rights, they are nothing more than talk. And these are things that can be taken away. And it takes alot of blood and treasure to get them back. Alot of people cant imagine a society where they dont have the right to be an asshole. In civilized society, the weak are given or allowed to have a voice. But the weak still have to be protected or else their voice doesnt matter. Which is why we are trying to protect the population of afghanistan. If people cant protect themselves, they are helpless and at the whim of whatever dictator of the day. That is one reason I am against socialism. It feels too much like dictatorships to me. Most dictators pacify their populaces with socialism (Chavez, Castro, any african nation at the moment). In the rest of the world, nature rules and only the strong or those in a position of strength have a voice and make the rules. I have served in many nations like this. Our children should be taught this, to understand this. Something in my opinion, is sorely missing from today’s american society. To be honest, this is the reasons for veterans day.
Call me a baby-killer, or a killer of civilians or an occupier, whatever you want. But at least have the understanding and respect that you dont not have rights of your own accord and without our brave military and police keeping the thugs at bay, you wouldnt be able to say anything…
Patriotic, Far right rant off..
Stpn2me
“If the Army wanted you to have a wife, they would have issued you one!!”
I have been married for 17 years and I have known her for about 20+ years…..
When we first got married, we had rough spots as all unions do. I used to tell her I was going to take her back to CIF (Central Issue Facility) and get a new wife, the army gave me a defective one!
Our marriage is stronger than ever, but those first few years were tough! My mom used to say, “Marriage gets better with years”. I find that to be true…
A good marriage doesn’t just happen. You have to work hard at it. We’ll make 40 years in April.
Our history is full of stories about how people were able to recover from some kind of personal calamity, just by working hard. For the most part, that ain’t happening no more.
-Nobody wants to hire full time employees. They just want to hire contract employees, with a specified skill set, that they don’t have to train, and can get rid of with no fuss.
-There is no demand for new business.
-There are no more California/Colorado/Black Hills/Alaska Gold Rushes (or their functional equivalents) anymore.
My position was terminated in July. I don’t have much in the way of expenses, due mainly to the fact that I have moved in with my mom “temporarily” (and if you don’t think that isn’t a hit to a 50 yr old guy’s ego, try it sometime). I have 30 years of experience, in a business where experienced, older guys aren’t considered a liability. I’m highly portable, (since I don’t have much stuff after the divorce). I’ve sent out probably 150 resumes since since January, and haven’t received a single reply.
Yeah, business is great near the main Army bases, or anywhere that is getting tons of money thrown at them by the government. Everywhere else, not so much.
I’ve had to find work in every recession since 1973, and managed to do so. It’s never been this bad. It’s going to get even uglier after the holidays, IMO.
My thinking was that if I could keep myself afloat for 9 months to a year, something would come up. I’m now beginning to wonder if I need to make contingency plans in case I am out of work until 2011. Sell my remaining assets (such as they are) at pennies on the dollar? Or quit paying COBRA, and file chapter 11?
Your experience may vary.
X-GSfixr: Thanks for reminding us of the precariousness of our situations. Some of us on the forum like to pat ourselves on the back for “being smart” and weathering this depression, when the truth we have for the most part been simply lucky.
The thing about luck is that it can change: The “recession proof” job goes away, an accident happens or worse.
And I fully agree with you that this is the worst I have seen things in my 49 years. By far. High real unemployment, collapsing wages, etc. And to top it off, this is probably the “new normal”
I am also disturbed by the attitude shown in this blog towards those who aren’t quite smart enough to be highly skilled or educated. By definition half the population has an IQ of 100 or less. There’s no point in having people like that go to college. It used to be that they could do menial or low skilled work for a living wage, but now have been displaced by tens of millions of illegal immigrants.
God Bless America
when the truth we have for the most part been simply lucky.
I sort of disagree with this point. I believe luck is made. I believe the position you occupy in life is in some parts luck, but 85% is your preparation and choices.
Believing in luck makes people hate those who have made it and are successful. Life choices are what make people successful.
“I am a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it.”
Thomas Jefferson
A very good book on this subject is “Outliers” by Malcom Gladwell. He makes a very well reasoned argument that there is a tremendous element of luck in how any of us turn out.
Its worth a read.
With all due respect, it wasn’t “choices” that made me blonde-haired, green-eyed, and Barbi-doll bodied. Nor was it “choices” that gave me the parents I ended up with. None of the California royalty I grew up with did a damned thing to be in the positions of privilege they found themselves in or deserve the connections they inherited as their birthright.
My innate intelligence was not a “choice,” nor was my athletic or musical ability. I certainly didn’t bring any of these attributes on through my own “efforts” or dint of hard work. It was simply…luck.
Conversely, you were put in a good position by the choices your parents made, and you have (had) the opportunity to put your offspring into good positions due to your actions. Yes, your spawn will be (are) lucky little brats for having a thoughtful parent, but that’s why we do take care of our family first in this world. Consequently, if your children are in positions of “luck” you will be in a better position in your old age because those brats will be able to take care of you if you get attacked by a bear…
“I am a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it.”
Thomas Jefferson>
Didn’t he die bankrupt?
X-GSfixr
Man, that’s tough. I have nothing to offer except my best wishes.
PS:I seem to remember mentioning Evergreen Airfield outside of Tucson which does commercial airliner retrofitting and the fact that this is the maintenance cycle for water-bombers at Ryan Field, also outside Tucson.
I don’t know if either’s in your skillset, though…
If you have sent out 150 resumes and have not gotten a single response the issue is not your age, skill-set, economy or some other thing you can’t control. The problem is your resume. I had a very similar experience- only difference was I had ZERO time on the job (fresh out of college). I did some serious searching for resume help, and ran across a woman that did amazing work… she was selling short PDF’s of how to do your own. I contacted her to see if I could hire her to do my resume. She tried to talk me into doing it myself, but I insisted. She quoted me $300 to do it. I gladly paid it even being a po’ @$$ at the time.
Results? I was contacted EVERY TIME I sent one out. Not one lie or stretch of truth was put on those 2 sheets. I could not believe the difference. Got a job in less than 3 weeks!
Would PEPSI hand over the keys of their marketing to a home movie maker posting on youtube? When she resisted helping me and quoted a stiff price I didn’t balk, I responded with, “You do what your best at for me, so I can do what I’m best at.” She was an excellent resume artist.
In fact, I bet you could make a mint right now if you were very good with creating resumes… I’d guess at least 17%+/- of America would agree w/ me.
“There, but for the Grace of God, go I. And you.”
But but but…. they just want to be poor. Right? Please tell me I’m right. Pat Robertson and James Dobson (you know those “Christians” I’m talking about) told me they really want to be poor. They didn’t mention anything about God’s grace.
Imagine that.
I think of it as an adaptability problem. I do, too. The people in the worst-affected areas of the Rust Belt have only had 20-30 years to adapt to an obvious decline.
Although they are in the prime of their lives Not after age 50, with the current levels of age discrimination. The only possibility for them to get minimum-wage employment is to leave their depressed part of the country & try somewhere else. Even that’s not a fat chance.
And even if they could get minimum wage employment, any area they move to would be higher-cost, thus offsetting the minimum wage.
Stpn2me,
(thanks for your work over there and keep your head down)
These people are a 7 years older than me, and Ohio was different back in their youth.
At 55, he graduated high school in 1972, which means he STARTED high school in 1968. Up until 1977 or so, a kid on Ohio had 2 choices in school. Study hard, go to college for 4 years, get a “professional” job making a decent living….. OR… study so-so, learn the basics well, and get a factory job right out of high school making more money than the ’smart’ kids would after 4 years of college. About 10 % went to college, the rest went to work.
Starting in the late 70’s , the world began to change rapidly for people in the what we now call the rust-belt. The door slammed shut tightly for factory work. (Kids in my high-school class got caught in the mix - I went to college, most went to work at K-Mart.)
You can compare employment in the Rust Belt to the housing boom. In the late 60s/early 70s, we were riding the crest of a 25-year ‘employment’ boom. Then the bubble burst. These were the people who saw 25 years of “job appreciation”, bought some-what close to the top, hung on for much of the bust, but now find themselves underwater employment-wise.
These people began preparring for their lives in 1968, and it worked out fine for 10+ years, and then the economic rules changed on them. At that point they were well entrenched in their communities, homes, and family. Yes, they could have made the choice to move elsewhere, but they choose to hang in there and wait for the market to recover. The market held out OK for them for another 20 years before finally bursting altogether.
There are many points in life that you have to decide to stay and fight it out, or leave. I’ve done some of both. Sometimes it’s worked out, others not. Each one’s a gamble… I win some, I lose some.
I will add this also…
In these rust-belt cities, most kids graduating high school after about 1982 moved out of town to start their life. These cities (and I grew up in one) have had 25 years of youth drain. Anyone who was ‘employable’ in a meaningful way left. At this point, the cities are left with the retiring group, and the very poor. Not much in between. The economies, schools, infrastructure, etc of these communities may now be beyond repair. Very sad.
they choose to hang in there and wait for the market to recover. The market held out OK for them for another 20 years before finally bursting altogether. I’ve lived in the area since 1976. I would not characterize the jobs situation since then as being even remotely “OK”. It’s been declining the whole time, a long progression of industries shutting down, downsizing, outsourcing to areas where wages were cheaper. If you paid attention, you could almost hear the giant sucking sound of jobs (especially for the less-skilled) leaving.
I agree with you on the general job situation. I didn’t mean the job situation itself was OK, I ment that the gamble to stay there worked out to some degree for those that managed to keep their job until this most recent national economic downturn.
Dayton Ohio, which is technically in SW Ohio, is in the same situation. Cincinnati, which never heavy-industrialized, is on a different path.
I hear ya, CincyDad,
Same way in the late 80’s when I graduated from High School. In Winston-Salem, either you went to college or you went to work for R.J. Reynolds. At one time, almost all the grownups in my family worked there. I worked there for two weeks and said to hell with this, and went to Winston-Salem State before coming into the military. The triad area is getting bigger and sort of adapting. I hope there are more jobs by the time I retire.
BTW, they are expecting 6-10 inches of snow in the triad area. Bragg gets nothing. The wife is taking the two tax write-off up to my moms to play in the snow on the old farm. I own 3 4X4’s and I am sure there would be fun to be had…God I wish I could be home….:(
The triad area is getting bigger and sort of adapting. I hope there are more jobs by the time I retire. When you get back, keep your eyes open & stay flexible, you should do OK.
From the article:
At campaign time, they are celebrated as the people who built America. Now they just want to know how much they can get for a wedding band.
And what of the campaign promises now?
To answer your last paragraph Step, yes I do believe your compassion meter has dipped a bit. Tax dollars wouldn’t be needed to address this problem if that area of the country was still a manufacturing powerhouse.
This crap Christmas brought to you by NAFTA.
The decline started way before NAFTA, which came into force in 1994.
Yes in this area downsizing and shuttering of industry began in the late 1970s. NAFTA didn’t help to stem the tide.
In one case, the Chinese came in as the “angels” -
Throughout 1987 a number of investors approached Phoenix about acquiring the Claymont mill with Phoenix’s efforts to sell the mill succedingin 1988 when CITIC, a state-owned investment company of the People’s Republic of China offered to buy it for $13 million and Phoenix accepted.
source - wiki entry on Phoenix steel
Have I lost all my compassion?
Yes. Wait until after 15 years in the army and you can’t move from too many ruck marches and too bad landings from jumps.
You have 5 years to a military pension but can’t do the job. And obama wants to cut the military 50% in his second term (just like clinton) and you are suddenly “outsourced”.
Wait until after 15 years in the army and you can’t move from too many ruck marches and too bad landings from jumps.
By the time I get home, I will be at 17 years. Obama wont get a chance to RIFF me, my retirement papers will be dropped before he gets sworn in a second time! My knees already hurt, my ears ring so much it’s almost like it’s natural. We dont do as many Ruck marches as we used to back in the day. It’s more about convoy operations and such. The infantry still does alot of ruck marches and the schools do too. I did them alot when I was lower enlisted. I have signed a contract with the army to go to 20, so they dont have that much leeway with me. The younger soldiers, well, that’s a different story.
3 months ago you were airforce, now you’re army.
What will it be next month?
I have never said I was in the Air Force…
Go back to Trolling please..
You’re correct. My apologies.
By the way stpn2me…. FTA…. and your “mission” and your extreme nationalism wrapped in a flag too.
Stepn,
In a couple of your early posts you mentioned taking classes “with the Air Force.” I too got the impression that was your branch of service, although I do understand the semantic distinction of doing something in conjunction with as opposed to as a member of….
Nonetheless, exeter has been a respected poster here for years now, and you have only been posting for a few months. While exeter may be an antagonist, perhaps even a pill, exeter is most certainly NOT a “Troll.”
Hello Stpn,
I sometimes guide kids that have been a little delinquent in school, towards the military. I mention the fact that they will recieve training in useful skills and that if they want to stay in the military they can semi-retire after 20 years.
Based on what I am hearing from you I am not correct on either of these statements. Can you tell me what the military is currently training their young’ens in at this time?
Thanks,
Fecaltime!
I sometimes guide kids that have been a little delinquent in school, towards the military.
Good, send em, we will straightem out! If they are a part of some program, they will usually take them. It used to be, the army would take people with some felony’s. Not anymore. Small infractions of the law we can handle. The army is getting choosy…
I think the US military is WAY over bloated. We can fly by wire fighters to bomb the enemies.
Also, at the end of the day, is there really enough work to go around? It’s easy to optimize people out of the loop.
I think the US military is WAY over bloated.
No, VA, it’s the contractors who are over bloated. It takes alot of support personnel to “fly by wire fighters”, trust me….
We have a nicely sized military, its the contractors who done have enough work…in my opinion..
I’ve worked for a number of contractors. At time I felt like I was a waste to the taxpayer, because there wasn’t anything for me to do at the time. Also contractors tend to be filled with ex-military types, and often they aren’t great at what they do, or don’t really care about the job much. I enjoy private employment with tech companies much more, even though they have their own set of headaches. I just don’t see the ROI on all the DoD spending.
Just had a long visit with our local sheriff, home after his third overseas deployment. His knees are shot and he’s pretty annoyed at not being physically able to finish out his 20 for full retirement. He’s not too sure about the long-term viability of his county pension either.
His beef is the utter waste of having 127 (officially acknowledged,) military bases in countries that pose absolutely no threat whatsoever to US interests. Money cows for KBR, “defense” contractors, et al, he said that if we closed down all the redundant facilities and spent the money improving infrastructure and security here at home, we’d be out of the depression in a few years instead of decades.
It was most refreshing to hear this from someone so previously (before 2001,) gung-ho military. He said that 911 was the biggest federal boondoggle since Viet Nam.
“What do you do when pity and compassion costs tax dollars and the money could possibly go into a black hole with no return? What do you do when those seeking compassion outnumber those who can give tax dollars?”
Dunno. Shoot them maybe? Hey, it works in 3rd world countries which is what we are fast becoming.
This is far too complex an issue to examine with black vs white, this person made “bad choices” straw man arguments. Education is definitely part of the problem and the school system in this country, by in large, SUCKS but there are cultural and sociological factors at work here as well. This particular pitchfork has a whole lot of tines.
This is far too complex an issue to examine with black vs white
Well, it always ends up being “solved” by socialism or higher taxes and whoever is at the heart of the “issue” being on the govt dole indefinetly. There has to be a better way..
How do you allow people to fail without penalizing others who paying for those who are failing?
I would love to re-train, and I’m 60! Math just takes application and repetition.
Planned poorly?! You really have led a sheltered life, haven’t you?
You make the classic mistake of thinking that everyone has the same opportunities and the same emergencies and the same abilities.
Some excerpts from WashPost article mentioned in yesterday’s bits, a rare example of real journalism covering the “new normal” as opposed to the recession-is-over kool-aid the MSM is pumping. I can relate to the feeling of having been “thrown away” as this is the current reality for many people I know in the Cleveland/Akron metro.
“It’s a final erasure,” says John Russo, a labor studies professor at Youngstown State University, describing the lethality of job losses and plant closures.
As far as decent jobs, Breuer is unusually blunt. “My best advice is to look into moving,” he tells the young sergeant.
“I see the young ones, there’s nothing for them,” says Stefan, who draws a monthly pension. “Why go to a vet center for a job you know doesn’t exist?
The Szykulskis have lost their jobs and are down to Tom’s unemployment benefits check. He is 53 and she is 55. They have just joined the ranks of Americans without health insurance.
“I feel like we’ve been thrown away,” Debbie says, sitting at the kitchen table.
http://tinyurl DOT com/yjm9h95
100 years ago people were willing to spend all they had, board a boat and cross the ocean, and go to a place where they didn’t even speak the native language in order to build a better life.
Now we’re not even willing to drive a few miles down the interstate.
My how times have changed.
Only a few people were willing to make those big moves. And very often the alternative was starving to death or getting drafted for a several decade stint in the army of the Tsar of Russia. Oh, and a lot of them were pretty young.
Good point, Polly.
My how times have changed.
Packman: I’m quite pleased that times have changed. Three of my grandparents were children of people who had to make that journey across the ocean. I’ll spare you the stories that I’ve heard, but the fact that few Americans are willing to make such journeys is a reflection of how things have improved.
Right, and change is once again part of life.
My parents bought a small house, their only house, in 1951. What they did not know at the time was that there were 50 years of unprecedented stability coming their way. Having grown up in the 30s and 40s, they deferred to tangible memories.
Today, in my peer group, stability over the next 50 years is taken for granted. They too are deferring to their tangible memories, but it is a wholly different set of memories. Why else would taking on so much debt make sense?
Bottom line, the frenzied push to put people with shakey finances and marginal job skills into houses (debt) in this day and age is just plain criminal.
Not just your peers, but also those lending to them. Optimists borrow money, but real optimists lend it to them.
If the system was functioning correctly I’d agree with you, but today’s lenders seem to have acquired a backstop with very deep pockets.
Perhaps that should be real optimists and the ignorant lend to them. Because during the bubble many of the ultimate lenders (bond purchasers) had no meaningful grasp of how stupid the loans they were purchasing were. But just like the FBs who thought that they had 1% loans, thinking that some sort of financial alchemy enabled AAA bonds that paid greater than 10% interest above inflation, requires a level of suspension of disbelief that constitutes willful stupidity combined with blind optimism.
Most people don’t have any problem moving to where the work is.
But where is it? The work, I mean. Shall we move to India or China? Oh wait, they don’t want American workers.
How about other parts of the world? Oh wait, their work visas are harder to get than ours.
Wait a minute. How come we even have to consider leaving the country?
Well we have a real problem in that our decision makers tend to be Wall Street types. When was the last time we had a treasury secretary whose previous experience was managing a factory instead of a hedge fund? To many of these people, a recovery in stock market values IS all that really matters. They live in a bubble where actually making stuff only matters to the extant that it effects stock prices. And these days that’s a second order effect compared to that of how much money is pumped into the stock market, first by those boomers who ARE saving for retirement, and now by the incredible governmental efforts to reinflate the bubble.
For that matter, when was the last time you had a factory manager that had actually been a line worker?
Or an MBA who had actually owned their own business?
And why should anybody under the age of 30 be in charge of anything?
Well just like a coach, one’s superior doesn’t have to be able to DO your job, but he DOES have to have a firm grasp on what your job IS. ISTM that many CEOs know alot more about making the quarterly report look good than how to make anything. Back in the 80s college was FULL of preppies whose motto was “My one goal in life, is to look good on paper, and major in BUSINESS.” Now they’re populating the Vice President level of many corporations.
Ain’t that the truth. I saw it with young VPs back in the 90s as well.
And people wonder what’s wrong with our country. I’m sure it has nothing to with inexperience, hubris and mistaking the map for the terrain.
+1000
If you are 50 or over ,you’d better have a marketable skill, or niche of some kind , that you specialize in if you want to be gainfully employed . This is not running some machine that is owned by someone else , or worse , some company looking for a cheaper 20 something to run it . The works out there , and you should have been preparing for it the last 20 years .
If you are 50 or over ,you’d better have a marketable skill, or niche of some kind There’s a lot of truth in what you say. However whether or not your skills continue to be marketable, or fill some niche, is not always in your control.
However whether or not your skills continue to be marketable, or fill some niche, is not always in your control.
People are going to have to do more than wake up after the high school graduation party and look where the next union is hiring.
How hard was it to see health care as being the next big thing? I have a niece that is in college now to be a nurse, another a LPN. Both have jobs and more work than they can do. Granted, it takes a special person to be a nurse, but you have to do what you have to do..
I know lots of people with technical degrees who can’t find work.
The only “Gold Rush” going on right now is “health care”…….literally everybody I know who is in college or technical training is working in that direction.
Of course, how these people are all going to be able to draw astronomical salaries, while the rest of the economy withers and blows away, remains to be seen.
IMO, in 5 years, “health care” will be the next train wreck.
The only “Gold Rush” going on right now is “health care”…….
You’re right, GS-X. Up to a point, nurses are being hired. That being said, a lot of healthcare jobs are drying up due to “falling revenues”. No insurance, no payee. A lot of people are in newly-sprung-up schools with dubious academic credentials right now paying money out the ying/yang for pharmacy technician, medical coding, and medical assistant degrees which they will never be able to use. The medical ancillary professions area is overflowing with grads. Nurses, CNA’s, and radiology technicians are still being hired at this time as far as I know….
“People are going to have to do more than wake up after the high school graduation party and look where the next union is hiring.”
So unions hire huh? I have a question for you. Do you understand the words that fall out of your mouth? EVER?
Are you retarded Exeter? Do you not know that you go to the union and get on the union jobs list, and then when your name gets to the top of the list, you are next in line for the jobs?
Or are you just unable to grasp the nuance that might be included in someone’s message when they don’t spell out every little detail for you…?
Either way hi point remains.. union jobs that pay a decent wage are drying up fast and are no longer a proven way to a solid middle class wage for life.
Hey buddy…. I hire skilled crafts all day long and have for years. I also help guys get their union books and I don’t send them down to the hall to get it either. It’s glaringly obvious you don’t have a hint, not even a smidgen of understanding how the skill crafts and construction work operates. And if you think construction is stick building shacks, I’ve got a bulletin for ya.
Hey dude, the problem is that all these “niches” are disappearing.
It’s like a big game of musical chairs right now. If you are sitting when the music stops, you are (relatively) okay.
Right now, the economy is still pulling chairs.
If you are 50 or over, only large companies and those without health insurance will even consider hiring you, because of your effect on their premiums.
If you are 65 and over, it is actually easier to get a job.
Does this make any sense? The one thing everyone in Congress agrees on is that health insurance should be tied to place of work, and group underwriting by employers should be maintained.
I have been following the health care debate in the U.S. for a while. I’ve heard many sob stories on N.P.R and from other sources concerning the plight of the uninsured and unemployed. Seems to me that the solution is single payer system paid for by higher taxes and even a national sales tax.Health premiums to private insurers would cease to exist, the savings there are huge. When your workers are universally paying and therefore covered from birth till death you no longer have to worry about where you live, work, pre-existing conditions, etc. It makes your economy more attractive for investing and believe me, it makes your population less stressed out about a major medical event. I know that this sounds to some like socialism, but coming from the great white, where we have had a single payer system since 1965, I can assure you the vast majority of Canadians would not have it any other way.
I wouldn’t go the single payer route. Buy I would have a tax that could the cost of private insurance could be written off against. Pay the tax and get the public plan, or use the subsidy for private insurance. The extent of the subsidy, for those at different ages, would be determined by the cost of the public plan.
As it is, if this bill passes without it, the subsidy will be whatever the insurance industry says it is.
I have read articles about the discrimination now in hiring the
50-65 group because of the health insurance provided by
employers . When did you ever plan for company discrimination
against hiring you because the private insurance company doesn’t want you as a employee ,or it raises the employers
cost beyond reason . I thought the purpose of group insurance was that you would have some that were higher risk and some lower risk . Now they are underwriting within the group ,
Than what is the purpose of Employer group coverage ,so insurance companies can only have low risk patients and only make profit ?
I also find that increasingly even on homeowners insurance they
want to get rid of coverage on anything they usually tend to pay out claims on ,or charge extra for it . What the hell is the purpose of insurance if you don’t get coverage on something that really might happen, like damage from a rain storm . Next thing you know they will only cover you for the moon or a plane falling on your property and everything else
is excluded .
Well many employers are small enough that one or two people can shift that bell curve around pretty easily.
“Health premiums to private insurers would cease to exist, the savings there are huge.”
I’m sure employers would love it, but that’s because the true costs are shifted to all the rest of us.
The true cost is always passed on to the consumer.But you cut out the middleman. Like shopping at costco.
Montana ,I have thought a lot about how a public health policy would be a windfall for Employers that provide health coverage .
I’m sure that the rising costs have put a extreme strain on many a Company ,plus I’m sure they don’t like the retirement entitlements that they are obligated to pay that they underfunded . In fact I think the only reason that Corporations are interested in reform is the possible shifting of their obligation to the Government .Do you think that Employers would give the money back to the employee that they use to put toward health costs if the public option passed ?
I’ve heard many sob stories on N.P.R and from other sources concerning the plight of the uninsured and unemployed. Seems to me that the solution is single payer system paid for by higher taxes and even a national sales tax.Health premiums to private insurers would cease to exist, the savings there are huge. When your workers are universally paying and therefore covered from birth till death you no longer have to worry about where you live, work, pre-existing conditions, etc.
Hey, great idea! In fact, let’s apply that to other areas of life as well. Anytime anyone’s stressed out about anything, have the government take over the entire industry in question and make everything happy and hunk-dory!
It makes your economy more attractive for investing and believe me, it makes your population less stressed out about a major medical event.
So that’s why England, Germany, Canada, Japan etc. have been outperforming the U.S. economically for so long. I was wondering about that.
coming from the great white, where we have had a single
payer system since 1965, I can assure you the vast majority of Canadians would not have it any other way.
The vast majority of Canadians don’t get seriously ill, and they know that if they do, and the wait for treatment becomes too long up there, they can always come down here and take advantage of the [relatively] free market in medical services.
OK, we’ll make sure not to adopt anything like the Canadian system. Let’s just extend Medicare to cover all Americans.
Another great idea. And give everyone Federal jobs, so we’ll all be rich and secure.
I would add.
KEEP IN SHAPE. Keep well groomed. Dress nice. Dye the hair. Look as good as possible.
If you are competing against 20 year olds (many with tattoos, face piercing, crazy hair, ripped jeans, etc.) - you may not win on price/youth, but that may not matter too much to an employer when stacked side-by-side.
I hope any lurking realturds read this thread.
Take notice agents, the very cohort of people you always think will be there to absorb all that inventory is more concerned about jobs than buying your crap. These are people who recent history says should be flush with cash, but in reality they’re concerned with just hanging on.
This has helped me. That and the fact that I have been told repeatedly that I look about 10-15 years younger than I am (49). No gray yet, at least not on the roof. My beard? Let’s just say I keep it shaved for a reason.
Yeah, the beard IS the first part to go grey, isn’t it? They say it means that we use our mouths more than our heads.
Beard dye jobs are just wrong.
x-philly - d’accord Should be called “just for vain men.”
Old people need to start companies. Young people need to do the same.
Thats only going to happen if we move some REAL manufacturing back stateside. How that happens is the real question. Tarrifs? I don’t pretend to be any sort of expert on that subject but it seems obvious that some level of protection for domestic labor is in our best interests.
Hel.,, If things REALLY get bad buggy whip manufacturing might become a growth industry again
Well HELOC money from the bubble enabled the creation of plenty of companies: dog groomers, scrapbooking stores, pirate stores and the rest. Most small businesses fail. IMHO we have a real problem that until the dollar falls, we’re simply not competetive with much of the world.
So jess, what you are a saying is that people should be able to accurately predict what will happen years into the future.
Seriously? No, seriously?
Despite the distraction of Tiger Woods’s foibles, the rancorous meetings in Copenhagen, military prospects in Afghanistan, and sundry other events, concern about the economy in 2010 is very much on the minds of average Americans. Mike Whkitney observes, ” The economic crisis has stripped $13 trillion in equity from working families who now find their access to credit either cut off or severely curtailed by the same banks that received hefty taxpayer-funded bailouts. The fiscal strangulation of the millions of people who are no longer considered ‘creditworthy’ is progressively weakening demand and spreading pessimism across all income levels.” 2010: The Year of Contraction
Here’s the catch. The smart consumer will continue to live within his/her means, pay down debt, and avoid high-risk economic traps that put so many people behind the eight ball earlier in this decade. That behavior, however, will be a severe drag on the economy.
The administration won’t be able to do much to turn the sluggish economy around and many politicians’ re-election chances in November will hinge on voters’ concern for pocketbook issues.
Holiday card business is chilled by the economic downturn
USA TODAY
CHICAGO — Are you receiving fewer holiday cards this year? Sarah Tompkins can explain.
“I’m not sending any,” says Tompkins, 41, a Web designer in a Chicago suburb. “Do the math: the cost of the cards, then 44 cents for each stamp times 50 cards. That’s an indulgence I just can’t afford this year.”
The U.S. Postal Service says there was an 11% decline in cancellations of first-class cards and letters from Dec. 1-13 — when most Americans mail holiday cards — compared to 2008.
Curious phenomena noted: Not sure about the volume of cards, but we are getting far fewer holiday letters, with photos and brief notes of greeting replacing news of substance. Perhaps there is a lack of good news to share across American households who got thrown under the bus while Wall Street got the helicopter drops of TARP money?
Holiday card business is chilled by the economic downturn
haha! I just mailed 18, hand-crafted Christmas cards this morning.
Sample, here.
This is not the first year I’ve done this, either.
I designed a holiday card using Illustrator software and sent out about 200 via e-mail today. yeah!
Dishing Out Some Shock on Debt By David Broder
“The United States, they unanimously said, is facing “a debt-driven crisis — something previously viewed as almost unfathomable in the world’s largest economy.” Under the impact of the worst economic calamity since the Great Depression, the federal government ran a deficit of $1.4 trillion this past year. The rescue effort was necessary, but in 2009 alone, the public debt grew 31 percent, from $5.8 trillion to $7.6 trillion, rising from 41 percent to 53 percent of gross domestic product (GDP).”
“Unless strong remedial steps are taken in the years just ahead, the debt is projected to rise to 85 percent of GDP by 2018 and 100 percent four years later. By that time, barely a dozen years from now, these sober-sided, deeply experienced folks say, the American economy is likely to be in ruins.”
Like its doing really great right now!!! We need some grown ups to step up, tell the kids to quit the spending and then get real about what our government should be doing (IMO very little). Oh yeah, let’s send $100 Billion a year to tin hat dictators so we can feel good about doing something for global climate change.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/12/18/dishing_out_some_shock_on_debt_99607.html
Dec. 16, 2009, 12:01 a.m. EST
New Orleans leaves the cellar
Crescent City no longer worst city; San Joaquin, Rust Belt in bottom 10
By Russ Britt, MarketWatch
LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) — New Orleans is off the basement floor in MarketWatch’s annual survey of the best cities for business, while a Rust Belt city has replaced it at the very bottom of the list and several other metro areas in California’s San Joaquin Valley are now ranked below it.
Sure, the Crescent City still languishes in the bottom 10 of MarketWatch’s survey as it continues to recover from the effects of 2005’s Hurricane Katrina. Now, however, it’s at least risen to the top of that group, after spending two years on the lowest rung.
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Wo ho! Break out the Bud Light!
Does anyone else find themselves perversely missing the HBB’s pet troll’s ad hominen attacks this morning? There is something curiously stimulating about witnessing a troll on a rampage.
Not really. I come here to learn facts that others have uncovered. I don’t need a troll repeating that everything is hunky dory.
It’s quite peaceful today. We thank Mom and Dad Eddie for taking SpecialEd back to SpecialEd.
Do you think he wears headgear?
Greez Mr. Bear, just how much “troolslaw” can you eat?
trool = snigglet amalgam of troll + tool?
I hope the un-named troller took my late advice from yesterday’s Bits bucket to splash some fish oil/blood on himself, attach a fish head to his arse and tie a seal fin to his underside while swimming in the warm Gulf water down south.
I suspect the troller who must not be named will be too pickled on rum to spend much time in the water…
Oh cut the poor boy some slack. Maybe his pretty sandcastle will be washed away by a tsunami down there.
Ah, that self righteous show-off snob? got sick of slummin’ with us 50Kers..
Zale Halts New Orders as Holiday Sales Slide: Report
Friday, 18 Dec 2009 CNBC.com
Zale, the second-largest U.S. jewelry retailer, has cancelled some orders with suppliers as it struggles under the weight of mounting debt and sales declines, The Wall Street Journal reported.
Zale has reportedly cancelled orders as its sales suffer.
In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission, Zale said sales at stores open at least a year fell 18.6 percent in November.
Who’d have thunk, North Dakota, South Dakota and Nebraska with the fewest unemployed. Georgia almost at 11 percent.
http://www.bls.gov/web/laumstrk.htm
Happy holidays, enjoy life in its purest form of just being
Best
Sagesse
March 2008. Greensburg, Pennsylvania: Candidate Obama says “I will seriously consider eliminating the penny.” This was in response to a voter who questioned the wisdom of producing coins so worthless that vending machines (and some stores) no longer accept them. Penny Doesn’t Make Cents.
~ It seems reasonable to expect Congress will eventually give up on the lowly cent, just as it did the half-cent coin in 1857.
Since 1982 the cent has been manufactured from zinc, coated with a thin veneer of copper. The zinc industry would like to see this continue. But it costs more than a cent to make a cent and that doesn’t make sense.
Personally, I think we should get rid of the nickel while we’re at it. Maybe replace the quarter with a double dime and be through with cents entirly. Just my 2¢.
Or raise interest rates, so the $ would be worth something again. Just a thought.
“Personally, I think we should get rid of the nickel while we’re at it. Maybe replace the quarter with a double dime and be through with cents entirly. Just my 2¢.”
This is brilliant. The double-dime should also be very small so that it does not cost much in metals to produce. The nickel and quarter are obviously the next two coins that will cost more to produce than they represent in value. May as well deal with the issue once, and be set for a long time.
They will never git rid of the penny. Want to know why? Because when you skim tiny fractions of dollars, nobody notices.
Smallest coin denomination in common use even in India and in China has value greater than a penny. Transactions are regularly rounded to the nearest unit.
USA please wake up! Penny should go. Nickel may stay but be made with stainless steel. Dollar coin - good.
Oh yeah, and bills of different denominations should be different in colour and maybe size as well. While at it, use plastic bills like Australia does.
Pelosi, Rahm do not scare Rep. DeFazio
By Walter Alarkon - 12/18/09
Rep. Peter DeFazio’s phone rang. On the other end was Rahm Emanuel.
The White House chief of staff last month expressed frustration with DeFazio’s resignation calls for President Barack Obama’s top two economic aides — Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and White House chief economist Larry Summers — and appealed for cooperation, according to DeFazio.
But Emanuel, known for his blunt manner and ability to bend members of his party to his will, did not raise his voice with the Oregon Democrat.
“Rahm does not yell at me,” DeFazio said, “because he knows that I yell back.”
Others are learning that DeFazio, who has served in the House since 1987 and describes himself as a “progressive populist,” is not easily intimidated. He has emerged in recent months as one of the most vocal liberal critics of the Obama administration, blasting the president’s team for not getting tough enough with Wall Street. He’s also taken on his own party for failing to move left-leaning legislation through the Congress.
Personal calls from Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and former Vice President Al Gore couldn’t persuade him to vote for the Speaker’s climate change bill. He also opposed the $787 billion stimulus, citing concerns that only 7 percent was devoted to infrastructure spending.
DeFazio was one of only two Democrats to vote against those measures and the $700 billion bank bailout. (The other was Rep. Gene Taylor (D-Miss.) a Blue Dog conservative.)
Yet he’s also a pro-gun Democrat who has a B rating from the National Rifle Association.
“I would have less of a voice and I would have less respect if I voted for things I didn’t believe in because of pressure from the leadership,” DeFazio told The Hill in an interview.
Obama himself has taken notice.
“Don’t think we’re not keeping score, brother,” Obama told DeFazio during a closed-door meeting of the House Democratic Caucus, according to members afterward.
But poking a stick at those in power is what DeFazio does.
and then things got interesting
BAGHDAD – Iranian troops have crossed into Iraqi territory and seized an oil well that lies in a disputed area along the two countries’ southern border, Iraq’s deputy foreign Minster said Friday.
The deputy minister, Mohammed Haj Mahmoud, said Iranian troops seized oil well No. 4 Thursday night in the al-Fakkah oil field, located about 200 miles (about 320 kilometers) southeast of Baghdad. The oil field is one of Iraq’s largest.
That IS interesting.
“It’s a question of how do you achieve the deleveraging. Do you go through a long period of slow growth, high savings and many legal problems or do you accept higher inflation? It would ameliorate the debt bomb and help us work through the deleveraging process”
– Kenneth Rogoff, Professor of Economics at Harvard, Former Chief Economist at the International Monetary Fund
Midnight in the food-stamp economy ~ Dec 18, 2009
SAN FRANCISCO/LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - At 11 p.m. on the last day of the month, shoppers flock to the nearest Walmart. They load their carts with food and household items and wait for the midnight hour. That’s when food stamp credits are loaded on their electronic benefits transfer cards.
“Once the clock strikes midnight and EBT cards are charged, you can see our results start to tick up,” says Tom Schoewe, Wal-Mart Stores Inc’s chief financial officer.
As food stamps become an increasingly common currency in a struggling U.S. economy, they are dictating changes in how even the biggest retailers do business.
From Costco to Wal-Mart, store chains are rethinking years of strategy as they watch prized customers lose jobs and turn to this benefit, the stigma of which is disappearing not just in society, but in corporate America.
Besides staffing up for the spike in shoppers on the first day of the month, retailers are adjusting when and what they stock, updating point-of-sale systems to accept food stamps and shifting expansion plans to focus on lower-income shoppers.
Take Costco Wholesale Corp, a warehouse club operator that caters to middle income Americans who must pay $50 a year to shop in its stores. Nudged along by New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo, who threatened legal action, Costco began accepting food stamps at a few New York stores in May. It now plans to clear the payments in all of its 413 locations in the United States and Puerto Rico.
“Our view was … we would not get a lot of food stamps because our member on average is a little more upscale,” Costco Chief Financial Officer Richard Galanti said in October. “Well, I think that was probably a little bit arrogant on our part.”
Yeah pal, your average member WAS a little more upscale.
I have to say it: Costco is overrated. Almost anything there is cheaper at Walmart, only not available in bulk.
People walk in there and think some TV or computer or camera is a good deal, because they haven’t really shopped around and don’t know the goin prices. Especially when mfrs use all these tricky model numbers so you can’t go apples-to-apples…
The DH is always picking up boxes of oranges or green bananas there..drives me nuts. One exception, the sirloin steaks are damn good for retail.
“People walk in there and think some TV or computer or camera is a good deal, because they haven’t really shopped around and don’t know the goin prices”.
The same thing is true at Sams Club, when we go, I always walk through the electronics section. 9 out of 10 times their prices are higher than one would find at a place like Best Buy.
They load their carts with food and household items and wait for the midnight hour. That’s when food stamp credits are loaded on their electronic benefits transfer cards.
My god, what’s happening to our nation????
Stpn2me
“My god ,what’s happening to our nation ????”
Its pretty alarming isn’t it Step . People need jobs and the jobs aren’t there . Its real easy for some people to say create your own job,
but I’m sure people resorting to food stamps don’t have the start up costs, even if they could come up with a idea of a business .When you start a new business usually you have to be able to go a long time without income until you can get the business going ,plus during recessions its even harder to get customers .
Uh, we spent it into a hole financing our 51st and now 52nd states in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Is this a trick question?
Declining REAL wages over the last 30 years for J6P. Inflation far, far higher than officially reported. Millions (that’s MILLIONS) of jobs sent overseas. Education costs rising 20%+ EVERY year. One of the highest gaps between rich and poor in the ENTIRE world.
I dunno? What do you think?
One of the great things about food stamps is that they can be traded for cash to buy alcohol, albeit at a discount.
No, they can’t. Food “stamps” don’t exist anymore. It’s all done by dedicated debit card.
It’s not even cost effective to make a deal with your neighbor. You know, steaks for beer or something.
Did anyone else read all of Bernanke’s written response to Sen Bunning? I posted a link in an earlier BB, and just finished it last night.
One of the most interesting bits to me was that Bernanke made what was (I believe) one of the first public denials that there is a PPT, or at least that the Fed is involved in it.
That is big news IMHO, because part of the case for there being such intervention was that they Fed has never publicly addressed it—suggesting that they did have something to hide.
Check this out:
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Q: 50. Before the financial crisis there was a widespread sense, especially on Wall Street trading desks, that the stock market was strangely resilient. This encouraged excessive risk-taking in various types of assets. Do you have direct or indirect knowledge of the Federal Reserve or any government entity or proxy ever intervening to support the stock market (or any individual stock) via futures or in any other way? If yes, who decides the timing of such intervention and with what criteria? How is it funded? Which Wall Street firm handles the orders, and who sees them before they are executed?
Bernanke: The Federal Reserve has not intervened to provide support to the stock market or individual stocks by trading in futures or any other financial instrument. I have no knowledge of any other U.S. government entity providing such support.
One of the most interesting bits to me was that Bernanke made what was (I believe) one of the first public denials that there is a PPT, or at least that the Fed is involved in it.
That is big news IMHO, because part of the case for there being such intervention was that they Fed has never publicly addressed it—suggesting that they did have something to hide.”
What is it exactly that BB was denying? Why don’t Fed purchases of MBS qualify as supporting financial instruments? More fodder here for a Congressional audit, as Working Group activities clearly fall outside the realm of normal monetary policy operations.
“Why don’t Fed purchases of MBS qualify as supporting financial instruments?”
Read his statement carefully; he is denying “support to the stock market or individual stocks”. He did not deny supporting the MBS market, or any other market other than the stock market.
Still, I thought it was interesting that he not only broke the Fed’s long silence on this subject, but addressed it very directly and without weasel-words.
I have a son who is a natural at plausible deniability. For instance, “I did not hit my brother with that WII controller.” Implication: It was that other WII controller that was used as a weapon of convenience.
When the time is right, I will encourage him to pursue a law degree and then pursue K-Street employment. I keep hoping at least one of our kids will reimburse all of our parenting investments with an old age subsidy.
“When the time is right, I will encourage him to pursue a law degree and then pursue K-Street employment.”
When you described the Wii-controller statement, both law and politics jumped to mind instantly.
The mental slicing&dicing can also be put to good use in computer science, incidentally.
Uh PBear, you know if he goes to work for K or Wall St., he’ll most likely sell you down river?
Could BB legitimately deny direct Fed intervention in the stock market without mentioning the job was outsourced to Megabank, Inc?
On days like today, it certainly appears as though some financial entity with massive fire power is steering the DJIA towards a close near the flat line. Generally speaking, there are way too many days when a DJIA selloff is resolved by a closing bell level within extreme proximity of the opening bell level to explain stock market movements in terms of the sum result of myriad decentralized trades. I personally have no way to know whether the Fed or other U.S. government agency is involved.
Patterns like this also can have a tendency to be self-reinforcing/self-fulfilling prophecies.
If that expectation (of a late-market rally to near the open) becomes ingrained in day-traders, then they tend to trade in patterns that cause it to occur.
Right up until it doesn’t, of course.
I don’t understand how your argument explains so many days when the headline indexes settle out almost exactly where they started. That doesn’t imply that intervention is occurring — just that there is an interesting empirical regularity that is not very well explained by standard finance theory, and which could be explained by an entity with massive fire power driving headline indices back up to the opening bell level on days when a selloff begins to materialize.
I am open to other explanations, though I cannot say I have seen any compelling ones yet…
Good to bear in mind:
1) Denial is as old as human civilization.
2) Peter denied Christ three times before he fessed up.
3) Plausible deniability is standard operating procedure in Washington since the Oli North days.
As an example of how plausible deniability could work in the financial realm, the Fed/Treasury might insist that their coordinated MBS purchases, vast expansion of federal mortgage guarantees and pushing the interest rate pedal to the metal are all necessary to save the financial system. The fact that they all work towards propping up housing prices is pure serendipity.
Ryanair Kills Orders For 200 Planes In A Blow To Boeing
December 18, 2009
Boeing (NYSE:BA) has had more than its share of troubles over the last two years with delays in the launch of its Dreamliner, labor problems, and disappointing earnings.
The clouds around the aircraft manufacturer lifted briefly as the Dreamliner made it maiden voyage. Analysts immediately pointed out that several airlines will have to check the plane to decide if it can be put into commercial service, which could delay delivery again.
Boeing was hit with another terrible blow against as Ryanair, Europe’s big budget airline, said it had ended negotiations to buy 200 Boeing planes.
The Ryanair order would have been one of the biggest in Boeing’s history. The airline was concerned that it would not get the absolutely best price from Boeing and made that clear as it walked away from talks. “Ryanair has made clear to Boeing that we will not order aircraft if we believe that either the pricing or the other contractual terms and conditions will be inferior to those which we currently enjoy, as this would not be a wise or sensible use of shareholder funds,” it said in a statement.
The news makes it more likely that the Boeing board will revisit the tenure of the company’s CEO James McNerney. There have been rumors over the last several months that the board would finally dismiss him because of the delays in the Dreamliner delivery schedule. Boeing’s shares were well over $100 two years ago. They trade at barely over $50 now.
The turnaround at Boeing, kicked off by the flight of the Dreamliner, lasted less than a week.
Cal Lutheran forecast suggests state debt default likely.
California faces at least another year of recession, and the state budget is so far upside down that it’s now “more likely to default than not,” on some of its debt, a new economic forecast from California Lutheran University’s economists declares.
The director of Cal Lutheran’s new Center for Economic Research and Forecasting, Bill Watkins, cites the state’s budget problems, its high regulatory and operating costs and its deficit infrastructure as impediments to rapid recovery.
“We expect California’s economy to continue to contract, slowly, through the first three quarters of 2010,” the forecast says. “However, the contraction will be a bit less each quarter. By the fourth quarter, the state’s gross product growth could be mildly positive. Output is then likely to slowly improve, but at an improving rate, through 2011.
“Job growth will lag economic activity. We don’t expect to see California gain jobs until the second half of 2011. Consequently, unemployment will probably remain in double digits through 2011. Wages, by contrast, will likely show some gains almost immediately, but we don’t expect to see California’s average wage reach its pre-recession levels within the forecast horizon.”
In today’s Syracuse Craigslist:
IT HAPPENED AGAIN WEDNESDAY
Potential homebuyers put their house on the market as they found the perfect home. However when they came in for their mortgage appointment they found that becasue of a late mortgage payments and a lot of credit card debt they don’t qualify for a mortgage under today’s stricter guidelines.
So please, please prior to putting your home on the market, be sure you can buy a new one, if that is your plan. Luckily for these people no one had looked at their house and they just took it off the market, but a lot of time and money was wasted and hopes were shattered.
It is a different market out there, know the rules. I would be happy to meet with you at any time, just shoot me an email
Chump change I know but this is how our(S.Carolina)high ranking moron & his ass-istants in D.C.handle the small stuff.
Clyburn’s $100,000.00 earmark goes to wrong town!
Chris Pipkin, who runs a one-room library in Jamestown, S.C., earlier this year requested $50,000.00 from the federal government to buy new computers and also build shelves to hold the books that were strewn across the room. A “library” ought to have shelves, right?
Rep. Jim Clyburn agreed, but upped the number to $100,000.00, earmarked in the $3.9 billion of pork-barrel money in the $1.1 trillion spending bill the president signed this week. But somebody goofed and the money is going to Jamestown, California - which doesn’t even have a library.
Hey Polly, Looks like you guys are going to get a good bit of the white stuff this weekend. Stay warm!
Lots of food? CHECK
Lots of booze? CHECK
Lots of movies? CHECK
Lots of “horizontal jogging”? CHECK
Sounds like a good weekend indoors …
I’ve mentioned the property auction for the house two doors down from me that happend in May. The house was bought for $362k on Oct 25, 2006, and the highest bid at the auction was $155k. Apparantly this was NOT accepted, and on 11/6/2009 the deed went to CIT Mortgage Loan Trust for $195,599.
Maybe they can make it disappear into the shadow inventory or even Level 3 fairy land!
Sun Prairie tax preparer was arrested Thursday in Texas on federal bank fraud charges related to a scheme in which she and others allegedly filed false documents to get more than $3.3 million in bank loans.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office in Madison said that Gail L. Mendez, 44, who did business as Mendez Connections, was arrested in Laredo, Texas, on charges returned by a federal grand jury on Sept. 30. The indictment had been sealed but was unsealed upon her arrest.
According to the indictment, Mendez and others, who were not named in the indictment, took part in a mortgage fraud scheme in 2006 and 2007 in which they submitted false income tax returns to Park Bank in Madison while applying for loans through the bank.
At the time, Park Bank had a program in which applicants could use an Individual Tax Identification Number to apply for loans instead of a Social Security number, if they were ineligible to obtain a Social Security number. The borrower had to supply Park Bank with income tax returns for the prior two years.
According to the indictment, Mendez and the others fabricated bogus tax returns that inflated the borrowers’ incomes. The returns supplied to the bank were not the same as those filed with the Internal Revenue Service.
The indictment did not indicate what Mendez and the others did with the $3.3 million they sought in 19 loan applications.
Mendez is also charged with making false statements on a loan application to AmTrust Bank, an online bank based in Cleveland, Ohio. According to the indictment, Mendez applied for a $349,000 loan to buy her home from her then-husband. In support of her application she submitted 2005 and 2006 income tax returns showing an income $169,237 and $170,825.
The returns Mendez filed with the IRS for those years showed an income of only $29,402 and $40,868 for those years, the indictment states.
I used to think these guys were criminals, but if they steal from other criminals that steal from me??? I’m so confused.
What a sad xmas present tonight; only 6 banks???
http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html
7, darling, 7.
BWAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
7 banks failed today, see FDIC dot GOV
I’ve been thinking about inflation. If inflation goes up, won’t interest rates on CDs just go up too to keep pace? Even if they lag slightly, that results in a mild real-wealth hit, but shouldn’t be too bad, right? It’s not like having 10% inflation, and CD rates still tracking at 1%.
Don’t forget that you will pay taxes on that interest you earn. So over time it can be a mighty big hit.
The sentiment that inflation will fix our problems is not true if the money gets concentrated in the hands a few megabank ceo’s and their henchmen and everyone else sees higher prices at the store and higher interest rates when they try to buy a house.
Again inflation has cured the problems in the past because. Workers could bargain for higher wages, people had savings, people could send their spouse to work, or the last phase they could borrow money.
I don’t see that happening this time. They need to create jobs this time, or figure a way for wages to rise. I still don’t buy the arguement that suddenly the Chinese consumer will rise up and allow the US to export our way out of this problem. Only 8% of chinese have disposable income from one report I read and my guess is that this number is falling given the collapse of their biggest customer.
“I still don’t buy the argument that suddenly the Chinese consumer will rise up and allow the US to export our way out of this problem.”
Even if the Chinese consumer were to rise up they wouldn’t neccessairly buy US consumer products. China has become the world’s manufacturing powerhouse; The only thing China needs to buy from us are raw materials to feed into this powerhouse.
A rising mass of Chinese consumers would buy Chinese finished goods manufactured in China from raw materials shipped to them from the rest of the world.