December 18, 2009

An Existential Whiplash From The Illusion Of Value

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Homeowners with mortgages of more than $1 million are defaulting at almost twice the U.S. rate and some are turning to so-called short sales to unload properties as stock-market losses and pay cuts squeeze wealthy borrowers. Masoud Bokaie, co-founder of engineering firm BORM Associates Inc. in Irvine, California, owes $2.6 million on a 3,664-square-foot house with marble floors and granite counters about 10 miles away in Newport Beach. He’s waiting to hear whether lenders will approve a short sale. He received an offer last month ‘close to’ the loan balances, said Shirley Cameron, his agent in Irvine, who declined to specify how much.”

“Bokaie said he doesn’t want to pay $7,000 a month in net costs including the property’s mortgages and taxes when real estate values in the area continue to tumble. ‘What’s the point when the market is going in the other direction?” Bokaie said.”

“Statistics indicate that about one in five homeowners across the state owe more on their homes than they’re worth; about 7.4 percent of homeowners were more than 90 days past due at the end of October; and home prices in the Valley remain depressed. ‘It’s a very tough situation,’ said Debbie Hobbs, of Action Association Management, which manages six homeowners associations with more than 500 homes in Canyon County. ‘We’re getting situations where people are walking away from their homes. I’m seeing a lot of foreclosures, not only of homes, but of developers.’”

“Over 200 lots in the Eagle development noted for its ties to sports stars Mia Hamm, Jack Nicklaus and others are scheduled for auction Dec. 21. Partner Todd Santiago told the IBR that sales weren’t meeting expectations. ‘We definitely planned for peaks and valleys in the housing market, but this just happened to be a deeper valley than I think anyone nationally had predicted or forecasted,’ he said. ‘This particular valley and downturn are obviously longer and more significant that what some of the historical valleys have been in the real estate cycles.’”

“Several key parcels in Baltimore’s Clipper Mill development were bought back at auction by the lender for $2.425 million Thursday in a foreclosure sale following the default on bank loans by the developer, Struever Bros., Eccles and Rouse. The auctioned properties included more than two dozen incomplete upscale homes in the 38-unit Overlook at Clipper Mill subdivision.”

“Several residents of the upscale Overlook houses said they would urge the bank to complete work on the unfinished houses as they were designed and permitted by the city of Baltimore and put them on the market as quickly as possible. They noted that several of the houses are nearly complete and need only appliances and finishing touches, while others need siding on the exterior to protect the buildings during the winter. Still others have just the foundation in place or have not been started at all.”

“‘I was hoping they would finish off what they started,’ said Lucy Rouse, an Overlook resident and former wife of a former principal of Struever Bros. ‘The exteriors need to be completed. It would be a shame to drop it in midstream.’”

“Speculation is intensifying about the fate of the ICON Brickell condominium, the $1 billion crown jewel of Miami condo developer Jorge Perez. In an interview Wednesday night, Perez denied statements appearing in a Wall Street Journal story in which he said the company would likely be relinquishing ownership of ICON to Bank of America and HSBC, the project’s main lenders. ‘We’ve been trying for nine months to work out a friendly agreement with the bank that will not put the building under bankruptcy or anything negative, and that can include us working with the lender to turn it over or for them to ask us not to turn it over,’ Perez said.”

“Regardless, Perez said, ‘Whatever happens, I developed, I created ICON Brickell — that is mine and it will always be mine in that sense.’”

“A growing number of lower-income homeowners in the D.C. region spent at least half of their income on housing costs, reflecting a decline in housing affordability across the nation, according to a study released Thursday. For new buyers taking advantage of historically low interest rates and the drop in prices, housing affordability has never been better, said Lawrence Yun, chief economist at the National Association of Realtors.”

“‘The affordability conditions are better today than in 2008,’ he said. ‘Housing costs were a problem during the boom time as well as the time immediately after. Now the market has overcorrected. Prices have crashed through normal.’”

“The Kane County subdivision of Parkside at Prairie Ridge was billed as the perfect place to raise a family. But nearly a year after Parkside at Prairie Ridge’s first residents moved into the sprawling 1,200 acre neighborhood, they’re the only ones there. ‘Obviously we expected a lot more neighbors by now,’ the family’s patriarch, who wished to remain anonymous, told the Sun-Times.”

“The U.S. housing crisis is building to a scenario where 22 million homes will be vacant by 2025. The sprawl of suburban Chicago makes it a prime target for such a blandscape. The University of Illinois’ I-Space Gallery is looking at the transition in an exhibition called ‘Architecture of Crisis.’ Curator, Roger Hubel is from Zurich, Switzerland. ‘In America, standard construction is harmful to the environment on so many levels. Not only do we use cheap materials that are not sustainable, but we also have created an illusion of value. People care more for square footage than quality of construction. This drove up the prices of houses and then, amazingly, people were paying the same costs in energy bills as their mortgage.’”

“The Mountain West has been hit harder than the rest of the country by the Great Recession, according to a new study from the Brookings Institution ‘Across the region, the deflation of a massive housing ‘bubble,’ widespread job losses, and the onset of a significant public-sector fiscal crisis have wreaked havoc on many communities,’ says the report. ‘In many Intermountain region locations, the sheer abruptness of the shift from hyper-growth early in the decade to a severe contraction in the last year has spawned a sense of almost existential whiplash.’”

“Valley Investments owner Philip Rand Lochmiller, arrested Wednesday in connection with the failure of his business, remains free awaiting a second appearance in federal court next week. A crowd of about 50 people, many of them investors in Valley Investments, murmured in displeasure in the federal courtroom in downtown Grand Junction. ‘I don’t think he should have been released,’ said investor, Jim Sanders.”

“One lot with a rental trailer in Mack secured at least 13 investments, amounting to more than $640,000, the indictment said.”

“A handful of felons already have lost their mortgage broker licenses as state regulators begin imposing tougher restrictions aimed at cleaning up the beleaguered profession. Criminals with mortgage broker or loan originator licenses have been a hot-button issue since the housing and mortgage markets collapsed in 2007. More than 340 criminals, including burglars, drug dealers, thieves and a killer, had loan broker’s licenses last year, the Journal Sentinel disclosed in an investigation published in March.”

“Chaunsler Mitchell, a Dane County broker who served a four-year prison sentence and is still on supervision for a 1993 armed robbery and burglary convictions, recently found out that he was losing his license. Mitchell disclosed his convictions when he applied for a broker’s license in 2005 and when it was renewed in 2007. This fall, however, it was rejected because officials said armed robbery merits a lifetime ban under the new rules.”

“‘I was devastated,’ Mitchell said. ‘You work so hard to build something and then this comes out of nowhere.’”

“America has the wrong approach for dealing with thieves. Rather than ‘looking backwards’ at their misdeeds and ‘punishing’ them, we merely need to ask that they not misbehave in the future, then monitor their behavior.”

“Believe it or not, this is how congressional leaders are addressing the thievery of three little-known gangs….The kid-glove treatment is reserved for thieves named Moody’s, Standard & Poor’s and Fitch’s — the Big Three credit-rating agencies that exist to evaluate the worthiness of corporate-issued bonds. But the Big Three run a rigged game that robs our pension funds and other investors. Moody’s, S&P and Fitch are not independent public regulators, but for-profit firms that are paid fat fees by the very corporations whose bonds they rate.”

“For example, the Big Three gave thumbs-up to the subprime housing bonds that turned out to be worthless, leading to trillions of dollars in losses for the public and crashing our economy. Yet, our soft-on-corporate-crime congress critters have declared these finaglers ‘too big to jail.’ Rather than taking the Big Three off the street, Congress is coddling them, meekly freeing them to continue their corrupt, for-hire, monopolistic system of credit-rating flim-flammery.”

“Things got interesting in suburbia yesterday as 200 Laborers and community supporters rallied in front of Pulte Homes’ headquarters. The rabble-rousers were calling attention to the residential building company’s abuse of workers and homebuyers. Corporate homebuilders like Pulte both build and sell houses, acting as agent, lender, and appraiser. Ninety-two percent of people who bought Pulte houses in 2007 and 2008 got mortgages from the company, many of them of the ‘exotic’ variety that have led to record foreclosure rates.”

“A handful of Laborers immediately went to work constructing a ramshackle home right on the green, plastering it with signs reading, ‘Pulte: Stop foreclosing on the American dream,’ while a team across the street inflated a two-story, cigar-chomping pig in a suit and top hat.”

“Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke cleared the first hurdle on his way to another four-year term when the Senate Banking Committee approved his nomination. Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders will try to block his confirmation. ‘Bernanke failed on his job,’ Sanders said. ‘Why would you want to reappoint somebody for that enormously important position with that kind of poor track record?’”

“Bernanke ‘presided over one of the biggest economic catastrophes we’ve had as a country,’ said Senator Jim DeMint, a South Carolina Republican.”

“Virgina Democratic Senator Mark Warner said the catastrophe would have been much worse were it not for Bernanke’s actions to prevent a total collapse of the banking system. Warner said it was ‘extraordinary’ to hear the ‘finger-pointing’ directed by Republicans at Bernanke and the Democratic Congress, ‘as if one individual or one entity or one political party was responsible for the 20-year overleveraging of our economy. I think there were no clean hands.’”

“Even though the Fed is supposed to be independent of politics, these kind of attacks come with the territory….If he gets too down, he can always pull out Time magazine’s year-end issue and look at the cover featuring him as Person of the Year.”

“Appearing at a press conference with Sanders, Robert Borosage, co-director of the liberal Campaign for America’s Future, said: ‘Awarding Ben Bernanke man of the year as Time magazine has done is something like celebrating an arsonist for helping put out the fire that they just put a match to.’”

“‘Wall Street is very powerful,’ Sanders said Wednesday. ‘Bernanke is their guy and they want their guy to stay in office.’”

“Sen. Jeff Merkley, an Oregon Democrat and banking committee member, announced he, too, would vote against Bernanke. Merkley said that Bernanke, who served in the Bush administration and was appointed by Bush to the Fed, failed ‘to take the necessary precautionary steps that could have averted or mitigated financial collapse.’”

“SEN. SANDERS:’ One of (the) key functions, as you all know, of the Fed is to oversee the safety and soundness of our financial system. He was chairman of the Fed. And, all around him, wild speculation, illegal behavior, gambling, casino-type activities were taking place. Where was Ben Bernanke, the chairman of the Fed, when all this was happening?’”

“JAMES GALBRAITH, Professor of Government and Business Relations, University of Texas at Austin: ‘I have a great deal of respect for Chairman Bernanke, both as a civil servant and as a professional economist. But this was an institutional failure of the first magnitude. He was chairman of the Fed in advance of the crisis. He failed to heed the warnings that were being offered about the dangers in the housing market, about the dangers in derivatives. The Fed was lax in its approach to the regulation of the financial system at that time. And the crisis happened on his watch.’”

“ALICE RIVLIN: I think the whole financial community bears a lot of responsibility. And there were regulatory failures. And the Fed acted too slowly…But, when the crisis came, Ben Bernanke was absolutely the right person to be there. He was calm and collected. He was very knowledgeable. He was bold in using the powers of the Fed to stabilize the financial system. It was a really dangerous, chaotic situation. We could have had domino effect, big institution after big institution going down, and a total meltdown of the financial system. He avoided that.’”

JIM LEHRER: ‘But you don’t believe — you don’t buy Professor Galbraith’s captain-of-the-ship analogy, right, that he was — it happened to his watch, so he should go?’ ALICE RIVLIN: ‘No, I don’t. I don’t have a good explanation of why so many people who watched the Fed carefully and who watched the markets carefully missed this crisis, but almost all of us did. And I don’t think Bernanke, who came in rather late in the development — he took over the Fed in 2006 — now, they might have acted more quickly in 2006 and ‘07, before the crash, but nobody saw this coming. And I don’t think it’s fair to say Bernanke should have seen it, when nobody else did.’”

“JIM LEHRER: What about that, Professor Galbraith? Nobody else saw it. Why should Bernanke have seen it?’ JAMES GALBRAITH: ‘Well, I might change my — go to court and change my name to nobody.’”

“‘There were people who saw it, very well respected people. Warren Buffett warned that derivatives were weapons of financial mass destruction. There were warnings from within the Federal Reserve Board about the dangers that were emerging in the mortgage market in the subprime sector. There were warnings.’”

“‘This, I think — it is the job of the Federal Reserve to be on top of financial danger, to be skeptical about speculative activity in the system, to both warn and to act. And it’s of course characteristic, in advance of a crisis, that that is very difficult to do. But it is their responsibility.’”




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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-18 08:48:43

“Bokaie said he doesn’t want to pay $7,000 a month in net costs including the property’s mortgages and taxes when real estate values in the area continue to tumble. ‘What’s the point when the market is going in the other direction?” Bokaie said.”

I can say from first-hand knowledge that many SoCal working stiffs face the same situation as this owner of a $1m+ home. Why keep paying those high property taxes when the value of your real estate investment is deeply underwater compared to what you owe the bank?

Comment by In Montana
2009-12-18 09:45:59

Those high-end FB’s are savvy buyers and walk-awayers too!

Comment by SMF
2009-12-18 10:09:04

$2.6 million for $7000K per month? Me thinks that someone is got an ARM that is ready to explode…

You know, during the bubble the profit was in ‘luxury’ developments. These will get (and are already) getting totally killed out there.

Turns out that there is not too many people out there that can shell out the monthly maintenance nut on such homes, or maybe their RE related job went away.

Comment by Lisa
2009-12-18 11:48:12

“$2.6 million for $7000K per month? Me thinks that someone is got an ARM that is ready to explode…”

That was my first thought as well. Option ARM all the way, and probably been paying the least of the “pick-a-pay” options.

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Comment by SMF
2009-12-18 12:52:45

Attempting a short sale right before foreclosure looms…

 
Comment by toast on the coast 90803
2009-12-18 21:35:10

A few years ago I read on this site that the majority of the loans in Pelican Hill along the Newport Coast were option arms.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-18 08:51:18

“We could have had domino effect, big institution after big institution going down, and a total meltdown of the financial system.”

In that case, I guess Megabank, Inc’s managers would be looking forward to a lump of coal in their stockings this Christmas, instead of multimillion dollar bonuses?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-18 08:53:14

“For example, the Big Three gave thumbs-up to the subprime housing bonds that turned out to be worthless, leading to trillions of dollars in losses for the public and crashing our economy. Yet, our soft-on-corporate-crime congress critters have declared these finaglers ‘too big to jail.’ Rather than taking the Big Three off the street, Congress is coddling them, meekly freeing them to continue their corrupt, for-hire, monopolistic system of credit-rating flim-flammery.”

Add the Big Three ratings agency cartel members to the list of surviving megabanks which are overdue for some trust busting.

Comment by GH
2009-12-18 09:35:03

It amazes me that any one still pays any attention to bond and credit rating companies. They seem to be wrong A LOT, but then of course who could be wrong more than economists hardly any predicted the current crash, and they still maintain credibility in the press.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-18 09:37:42

It is almost as if a confederacy of dunces has taken over the Wall Street airwaves.

Comment by denquiry
2009-12-18 10:27:41

IMO, economists and politicians get paid to lie and per the great decider. Tell a lie enough and often and it becomes accepted as the truth. In my lifetime capitalism has fallen from making things to shuffling paper. The current state of capitalism can be likened to the card game called “screw your neighbor.”

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Comment by DinOR
2009-12-18 10:59:03

“confederacy of dunces”

( Good read )

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-18 13:59:08

In this day and age of bought off “Expert Opinion “,who do you trust ? To many hired guns ,not enough truth .

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by DinOR
2009-12-18 08:58:12

“Over 200 lots in the Eagle development noted for it’s ties to sports stars”

DennisN,

Refresh my memory, did we drive past that one? There were so many ‘lovely’ water features at the entrance to so many upscale communities, I kind of lost track up there?

Didn’t you mention that whole area was kind of a flood zone?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-12-18 09:41:07

Here in Tucson, a University of Arizona football star who went on to play in the pros, went into real estate development.

A few years back, I was in the passenger seat as a good friend drove me out to the very modest condo that he shared with his wife, another good friend. The male half of this couple was a longtime general contractor, and he took me past a shopping center that this former pro football star was building.

My friend’s comment: “They don’t know what they’re doing.” He added that their lack of expertise was causing the development to take much longer to build than it should have.

Well, that was then, this is now. I was at a holiday reception hosted by a city council member. Happened to see a former neighbor, who was crowing about the fact that former football star’s construction company was going bankrupt.

The reason for her glee was over the fact that this company had built a student apartment complex/crime magnet a few blocks away from my former neighbor. She’s of the mind that the new owner will be a lot more proactive about monitoring tenant behavior. You have to do that when you’re renting to students in this town. If you don’t, they run wild.

Comment by scdave
2009-12-18 10:09:58

“They don’t know what they’re doing.” He added that their lack of expertise ??

Now times that by several million across the country…Build it and they will come mentality..

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-12-18 10:10:32

“apartment complex/crime magnet” LOL!

Too funny. Or as the guy on “Stickdeath” would say, the “Poozy Garden Apartments”. God. Yeah, jocks and business like booze and pills.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-12-19 05:26:27

Legacy is on the hill side of Eagle far from the river - a plus there. The stupid developments are built on that sand-bar island between two channels of the Boise River. The residents thereof complain when their places get flooded every year. Oy veh.

Legacy’s problem is that they promised homeowners several staffed sports acadamies, presumably paid for out of the HOA dues. I wonder how that is panning out now.

 
 
Comment by Sagesse
2009-12-18 09:15:45

“Rabble-rousers” accuse Pulte of “abuse of workers and homebuyers”. Well, everyone could have used their eyes, a while ago. I was almost tempted to say “could of”, which usually makes me cringe. And in my own pea brain, the name Pulte stands for every other of the big name builders, or small time narcissist builders. Use and discard workers, use and discard buyers. But all three were having some good times, didn’t they.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-12-18 09:19:39

edgewaterjohn,

Can you clue us in as to where “Parkside at Prarie Ridge” is? Or Kane County for that matter? Loved the sub-title to the article, “The only home on the range”.

Remember, ’somebody’ signed off on this.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-12-18 10:39:56

DinOR,

I could’ve guessed before looking - this sub is along the infamous IL-47 corridor, which stretches north to south through the heart of Kane county. BTW, Kane county is directly west of DuPage and Cook, with its eastern border roughly along the Fox River Valley.
This sub is in Hampshire, but further south is Elburn, which saw even more growth - so much so that Metra actually extended commuter rail service there!

Nine years ago I was involved in a project that mapped DeKalb county - which the county directly west of Kane county. Even back in 2000 the town of DeKalb (No. ILL Univ.) and Sycamore had virtually sprawled together. There’s so much housing out there I’m not sure my words could ever truly convey the scope. This has been going on for a long time too!

Now that my haunt is along the lake amidst the high rises (which itself has so much surplus) I forget just how much was built during this boom out in the exburbs. Perhaps that’s a good thing, because now that I’m challeneged to remember what I saw (which again is grossly outdated) - the thought of 25mm surplus housing units nationwide is very easy to understand.

Comment by DinOR
2009-12-18 12:12:52

edgewaterjohn,

Too funny! They say a picture is worth a thousand words and the sheer sight of that single home in what used to be cornfields was a keeper!

My uncle lived for years off of Smith Road in West Chicago and his pre-Civil War home was part of the Underground Railroad. It’s on the Historic Register.

When I went to Google Earth ( you could barely make it out? ) It’s an absolute testament to the insanity that we could possibly be “running out of land!”

Comment by drumminj
2009-12-18 22:37:10

Too funny! They say a picture is worth a thousand words and the sheer sight of that single home in what used to be cornfields was a keeper!

I grew up out that way, and our house was much like that when I was a kid. One house of maybe 10 on the little street, surrounded by cornfields. Slowly the fields receded and houses sprung up. Now, as EWJ says, it’s all just houses. My mom’s still in Elburn right @ 38 and 47, and I grew up in St. Charles off LaFox rd, between 38 and 64.

It’s depressing to go back and see all the sprawl, the big, non-descript houses. But I suppose that’s the case everywhere.

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2009-12-18 14:44:11

This sub is in Hampshire, but further south is Elburn, which saw even more growth - so much so that Metra actually extended commuter rail service there!

I know some people who moved from Chicago out to the Elburn area. It’s waaaay the hell out there. I’ll bet the Metra ride isn’t too bad, but I can’t imagine making that drive on a regular basis. Sheer craziness.

Reminds me of the way Metro DC sprawled — people now regularly commute from places in Virginia and Maryland that were unimaginably far when I was a lad.

Comment by Watching the Carnage
2009-12-18 18:29:18

How about commuting from PA and WV to DC? Yes it’s happening every day.

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Comment by drumminj
2009-12-18 22:39:48

I don’t get how people do that. My commute is 30mi each way, approximately 35 mins in the morning, and sometimes up to an hour and a half heading home. I’ve had enough of it, and am moving closer to work and to a 15 minute commute each way, on country roads with tall trees all around.

I can’t wait to have an hour back in my day, to use one less tank of gas a week, and to reduce my stress level. Sadly, I’m moving away from a walkable neighborhood, but it’s a tradeoff I’m willing to make at this point.

 
 
 
Comment by chiman
2009-12-20 14:14:44

Yes, that picture from Hampshire says it all. Move to the boondocks to get away from it all, and what happens?

I don’t get out to the exurbs much. A relative bought a place in Hainesville (”gateway to Grayslake”) a few years back; I have seen the cornfields recede slowly since. But the same forces are at work closer to the city. Real estate developers took off after some nicely situated property in Glenview after the government closed a Navy base–the war being over for 60 years and all. I regularly drive through the area. It’s OK, aside from some environmental issues. But I am astounded at the structural and architectural choices made: dozens of 4000+sqft mcmansions springing up, stick-framed, pressboard sided, tyvecked, a brick veneer… presto, “executive estates”, $650k and up. They are still building today! I’m baffled. The places seem to have no economic or utility value. They are the definition of future multi-family dwellings at best; outright slums at worst.

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2009-12-18 09:23:39

“Corporate homebuilders like Pulte both build and sell houses, acting as agent, lender, and appraiser.”

GTFO!!!!!

Un-flippin-believable. This is news to me.

Comment by DinOR
2009-12-18 10:12:20

exeter,

And how long have we been bangin’ on this? Chinese Wall and the REIC? Fuggetaboutit….

 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2009-12-18 09:23:47

people were paying the same costs in energy bills as their mortgage

For the love of g-d -
Leigh

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-12-18 09:36:10

Speaking of which, I had a friend (now deceased) who moved into a 3,700-foot behemoth back in 2003. It was in a gated community in Oro Valley, which is a very wealthy community north of Tucson.

Didn’t take long for my friend to start complaining about the utility bills, which were substantial.

She was preceded in death by her husband, who had an especially nasty form of cancer. I can’t help but think that being in that big, expensive place with her well-on-in-years mother helped contribute to her demise.

Comment by Silverback1011
2009-12-18 09:53:19

That’s a sad story, Slim. :( Worry will kill you, and between worryin about her husband’s condition and the behemoth’s issues, I’m sure that you’re right about it hastening her demise.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-12-18 10:12:24

What I haven’t been able to figure out is what happened to the mother. I seriously doubt that, after her daughter and son-in-law died within eight months of each other, she’d want to rattle around in that big house by herself.

Heard through the grapevine that Mom was headed to Chicago, where her other daughter lived, but last I checked, Mom’s name was still on the house in Oro Valley. Methinks that Mom’s having a tough time selling it.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-12-18 10:53:28

Slim,

We are doing a little fundraiser for a dear friend that had her car broke into ( Xmas $ and all! ) and the gal that’s spearheading the effort mentioned The Bust basically killed her dad.

Oh… he had his fingers in everything! SFH, Multi, Comm. His former partner ( also well into his 70’s ) is reportedly now in ill health. She said “Dad was completely -wiped- OUT!”

And this all begs the question: Why were banks SO willing to lend to people that advanced in life? Allowing them to get that leveraged on the assumption they would live ‘how’ long..?

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2009-12-18 11:12:15

The banks are run by monsters - soulless monsters.

From their empty, horrid viewpoint, dead customers are a good thing since that means “more stuff for them” (the bankers.) The existance of other people bothers them; they feel nothing but cold satisfaction in driving people to an early grave. After all, that proves that they were “smarter” than their victim and somehow justifies their actions.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-18 14:14:28

Pondering the Mess . I think the monsters just don’t think about the consequences of their actions and only think about the reward of easy big fat paychecks . Corporations are heartless and Wall Street is a parasite and these are the entities that
have the ear of the Politicians . And yes I think the the elite
think they are better and smarter than the average Joe and they think they deserve more .

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-18 17:49:21

I hope the busy banksters all take time out during their holiday schedules to watch reruns of A Christmas Carol followed by It’s a Wonderful Life and maybe Wall Street or Glen Gary-Glen Ross for good measure. They collectively need a refresher course in the great harm the rapacious greed which characterizes their industry some times inflicts on society.

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2009-12-19 04:55:55

I think that in some cases hired assasins would also make nice Christmas presents. To be honest, I’m surprised that some disgruntled ex-employee or evicted homeowner hasn’t done one or more of the big boys in.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2009-12-18 10:32:34

The cost of electricity can vary quite a bit from state to state and city to city.

Here in Charlotte, my highest electric bill this summer was under $100 for a two story house of just under 2000 sq ft.

I was chatting with a friend in Houston and he told me to “shut up” as he was paying about $5-600 bucks a month in electric bills for a similarly sized house.

Electricity is very expensive in Texas.

Comment by The_Overdog
2009-12-18 16:42:42

I live in TX, and have a digital thermometer, with 5 settings auto set from the EPA- goes from 75-85 in the summer over a 24 hour period, and I cut off vents for rooms I don’t use.

My electric bill is between $200-300 a month at around $0.18-.20 per kwh.

Comment by drumminj
2009-12-18 22:43:00

The highest bill I ever had in Austin, for a 1750 sq ft house was $150 or so. Then again, I kept the thermostat at 78, and it was a one-story ranch.

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Comment by DennisN
2009-12-19 05:37:16

My house in Boise is about 2,000 square feet, and my highest electric bill was for August, $78, based on $0.06 to $0.074 per KWH.

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Comment by Eli
2009-12-20 09:39:30

My apartment in Seattle runs $7.00 per month in electricity bills, half of which being the base flat fee. ;-)

Yay for sunlight and neighbors.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Sagesse
2009-12-18 11:18:49

I asked a friend who lives in a cold area, what her friends say about rising utility costs. She said that “us Americans, we don’t care. We just work more.”

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-12-18 13:55:06

What a perversion of the term “work ethic” that is! Work smarter, not harder! Someone who works hard for their family should be admired, someone who works hard for a utility company should be shamed.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2009-12-18 09:32:30

“One lot with a rental trailer in Mack secured at least 13 investments, amounting to more than $640,000, the indictment said.”

Looooong gone are the days when a loan officer went out and looked at the property that the money was being lent for. I remember when banks and savings and loans did just that. Good thing we got away from that practice, it was so old school.

Comment by 2banana
2009-12-18 11:20:42

More than that.

Loan officers used to be FIRED if too many of their loans went bad. They had a vested interest in them.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-18 09:39:54

“Virgina Democratic Senator Mark Warner said the catastrophe would have been much worse were it not for Bernanke’s actions to prevent a total collapse of the banking system. Warner said it was ‘extraordinary’ to hear the ‘finger-pointing’ directed by Republicans at Bernanke and the Democratic Congress, ‘as if one individual or one entity or one political party was responsible for the 20-year overleveraging of our economy. I think there were no clean hands.’”

If only he could have seen the bubble, perhaps he could have taken advance measures to prepare for it, instead of having to play the role of disaster manager in real time. But I suppose politicians relish the perception that they are saving the world from a crisis?

 
Comment by Curt
2009-12-18 09:41:29

“…but this just happened to be a deeper valley than I think anyone nationally had predicted or forecasted,’ he said. …”

Uh, think Grand Canyon!

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2009-12-18 10:52:32

Anyone? He should qualify that to say “anyone he bothered to listen to”

Comment by DinOR
2009-12-18 10:57:58

edge,

So true. One hardly need post here to have been a housing bear. Now that the Boom’s gone Bust, less vocal naysayers have begun to come out of the woodwork.

It’s not that they didn’t have their doubts! And it’s not that they weren’t looking on with an equal sense of dread and horror? They just weren’t willing to subject themselves to the kinds of -abuse- we have all taken here. Like we say; To a man with a hammer in his hand..?

Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-18 14:29:37

I admired Rolling Stone Mag. for doing that piece where they attacked Goldmans ?

In truth , the very systems that were set up to protect the
people and the stability of the financial systems were torn down and than exploited by Wall Street/Lenders greed .

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Comment by DennisN
2009-12-19 10:34:31

Well there are naysayers, and there are naysayers….

I correctly foresaw - in 2005 - that the CA housing bubble would burst and prices would tumble. But I didn’t foresee that the same would happen everywhere else in the country, and that this would cause the economy to collapse.

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Comment by Curt
2009-12-18 09:46:50

Mitchell disclosed his convictions when he applied for a broker’s license in 2005 and when it was renewed in 2007. This fall, however, it was rejected because officials said armed robbery merits a lifetime ban under the new rules.”

Isn’t “armed robber” and “Real Estate Broker” an oxymoron?

Comment by cobaltblue
2009-12-18 14:34:26

If you’re thinking “honest Real Estate Broker” is an oxymoron, that is usually correct.

Oxymorons are phrases like “Jumbo shrimp”, “All-you-can-eat diet bar”, and “non-alcoholic vodka”.

Armed robber and Real Estate Broker are sometimes synonyms. They are often used in, or given, the same sentence.

Comment by DinOR
2009-12-18 16:50:12

Right, as *exeter notes above, when they build the home, act as the selling agent, lender AND appraiser, well, what could go wrong?

This probably won’t go over all that well but.., I’d have to say at this point, ( actually ) used car salesman DO have more credibility!

Anyone gone shopping for a 2nd car lately? I can’t speak for others but usually ‘they’ are the guys that are sweating. Fumbling all over themselves to disclose the slightest thing that ‘might’ be wrong with the car etc.

Then go fill out the paperwork. It’s almost as thick as home closing. They’ve come a loooong way toward cleaning up their act but every time I make suggestions for getting the REIC on a leash, everyone tells me it’s hopeless?

Comment by DennisN
2009-12-19 05:40:54

The best truth-in-advertising used car lot is here in Boise. It goes by the name of “Fairly Reliable Bobs”. LOL.

http://www.fairlys.com/

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Comment by Silverback1011
2009-12-18 09:58:12

On A Learning Curve, Evidently

This is taken entirely from http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/news/0912/gallery.holiday_splurge/index.html ( as if today )….

“What I’m splurging on
These 7 readers are done cutting back. Here’s what they’re indulging on this holiday season.
1 of 7
Welsh terrier puppy
Peter Becerra, 30, his wife, Rebecca, 27, and their Welsh terrier, Juno, live in Sacramento, Calif. Cost: $1,000

Peter Becerra: My wife and I bought a home in July and got married in October, so we finally have the space to buy a new puppy. We decided Juno, a Welsh terrier, would be our one and only Christmas present to ourselves for the year. I lost my job the same week we got our house, and my wife commutes to work 1.5 hours away, so we’re both looking for jobs in Sacramento. But it’s been tough. If we weren’t getting a puppy, we probably wouldn’t be spending any money.

By Hibah Yousuf, staff reporter”

Now, isn’t that cute. Two jobless 20-something homeowners buying themselves a $1000 dog for Christmas. You can get a slightly used dog from the pound for approximately $ 900 less, but I guess that never occurred to them. They might have thought about eventually needing that $1000 for a mortgage payment, but, well, the puppy is cuddly. There’s even a picture of the 3 of them in front of their tree. The dog’s the smartest one there, I’m thinking.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-12-18 10:13:32

A dog is a lifetime commitment, not a splurge.

 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2009-12-18 11:21:10

Don’t forget pet food and pet supplies are heavily marked up. Bag of cat food is $10. Box of cat litter (I go through one a week) is $10 or so. Cats medication, $60 a month. He won’t be around much longer I don’t think.

Comment by Bad Chile
2009-12-18 11:38:03

The only people with any shred of responsibility in that Money link is the last couple that dropped $200 throwing a party for friends. They made all the food themselves, spent less than four figures, and aren’t all “gimmie gimmie gimmie” with material things. Those are they type of people I want as friends, because you know that in exchange for showing up with a case of beer, you’ll go home full of good food and with a smile on your face.

As opposed to the woman whose write up could be summarized as, “I got my husband $1200 worth of plastic electronic junk that will all be broken, obsolete, and useless in less than six months.” Or the “I bought my husband a custom kickstand for his Harley.” WTF?

And the holiday budgets: $1200? $5000? Wow. I don’t think I’ve spent a total of $1200 on Christmas gifts (or got more than $1200 worth of gifts) in my 36 years of life. Wow.

Comment by wmbz
2009-12-18 12:48:55

“And the holiday budgets: $1200? $5000? Wow. I don’t think I’ve spent a total of $1200 on Christmas gifts (or got more than $1200 worth of gifts) in my 36 years of life”. Wow.

No kidding, nor have I, and I’m north of 50. I spread cheer without spending money. I enjoy the holidays, but don’t see what spending money has to do with it.

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Comment by mdsn969
2009-12-18 14:46:22

My family stopped participating in the commercial aspect of Christmas many years ago. We do not buy gifts PERIOD!!!

We do enjoy each others company (hahahahaha) and do cook a nice meal

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Comment by Silverback1011
2009-12-19 05:04:29

I had to stop reading after the dog people, but I can only imagine.

Now, to be honest, spread out over 45 years, I have bought waaaaay more than $ 1200 of gifts, maybe more like $ 6000, and have received very nice gifts from spouses too, in the form of sparklies ( not champagne ), but it was dependent on income, job security, what our travel plans were, and never over the top. At this point in my life, I want no more sparklies, and have begun to give some of it away to different relatives. One of my favorite relatives has been steadfastly refusing a nice solitiare engagement ring for his fiancee’, choosing instead to eventually go to the mall and pay $ 1500 to $2000 for a stone of a lesser size and quality. It makes me feel bad, but it’s his call. To me, a diamond’s a diamond, and these kids are the nicest pair of struggling student types you ever met. There’s been no purchase along those lines as of yet, so at least they’ve not indebted themselves to Kay Jewelers or whomever.

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2009-12-19 05:45:22

Back in 2001 I bought my starving brother a $1,000 Dell PC. All he could do was moan about how “it isn’t a Macintosh”. At the time a similar Mac cost $2K.

This is the same guy who blew his inheritance on a HD Fatboy.

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Comment by jfp
2009-12-18 10:19:43

“‘I was devastated,’ Mitchell said. ‘You work so hard to build something and then this comes out of nowhere.’”

The unfairness of this actually really bothers me. This guy already served his time. Someone shouldn’t be punished for the rest of their life for something stupid they did years ago. The juxtaposition with the following article about the lack of criminal indictments credit rating agencies just pisses me off.

Apparently it’s okay to punish people for no reason unless they’re wealthy or otherwise important, in which case they can rob us in broad daylight and get away with it.

Comment by X-philly
2009-12-18 12:05:34

The juxtaposition with the following article about the lack of criminal indictments credit rating agencies just pisses me off.

Yes. It’s difficult for the garden variety con to break into the ranks of the elite white collar criminals. Your oligarchy at work.

Comment by Ian
2009-12-18 16:31:58

The “elites” are always clueless until the last few minutes…

Exhibit A: Caucescu in 1989 in Romania…

The same fate awaits all the bankers now.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-18 17:44:29

Caucescu was beheaded, to my quick recollection. Do you really think it is that bleak for them? I certainly hope not.

My sincere wish is for the banking sector to be cleaned up and justice to be served where it is deserved without a departure from civil procedure in favor of violence.

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Comment by Left LA
2009-12-18 22:06:49

Shot in the head. On camera. Christmas 89.

 
Comment by palmetto
2009-12-18 22:46:11

“My sincere wish is for the banking sector to be cleaned up and justice to be served where it is deserved without a departure from civil procedure in favor of violence.”

That would be my wish, too. But unfortunately, when decent folks are trashed, laws are not enforced, when criminality gets rewarded, when people are made desperate by the continued rape of their lives and have nothing to lose, the law of the jungle takes over, as it appears to be the only recourse.

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-12-19 05:47:18

Left LA, you forgot “with his $^&* wife”.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-12-18 14:24:38

“Someone shouldn’t be punished for the rest of their life for something stupid they did years ago.”

This would be true if there were no corelation between past transgressions of the law, and the odds of future transgressions. Recidivism rates for felons shows that there is a strong corelation.

Having served your time does not mean that your record is expunged, or that you are fully re-accepted by society. Society limits the rights (including constitutional rights) of felons in many ways: they lose the right to bear arms, right to vote, etc etc.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-12-18 14:28:33

s/corelation/correlation/g.

Cold-meds must be affecting my spelling.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-18 17:46:05

Good luck if you caught what I had — took four weeks to outlive the nasty bug (and today is the first day I am back to healthy)…

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Comment by Silverback1011
2009-12-19 05:06:33

Maybe cold meds are why my spelling is constantly off-kilter….lol.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2009-12-19 00:11:57

Of course you know the #1 reason they commit more crimes…90=% of them cannot read write or speak English…bot mann dae R sur gud attswerin and usin the N word.

Recidivism rates for felons shows that there is a strong corelation.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2009-12-18 14:38:23

If they punish the Ratings Companies, than they would have to punish the Wall Street Investment firms that gave them data ……and breached their duty to underwrite loans . So ,it would open up a whole can of worms and expose the system for how worthless it was and that it
was a scheme of selling hight risk junk paper by changing the models and simply rating it AAA .

 
 
Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-12-18 10:24:40

” now, they might have acted more quickly in 2006 and ‘07, before the crash, but nobody saw this coming. And I don’t think it’s fair to say Bernanke should have seen it, when nobody else did.’”

I watched that particular interview myself and very nearly threw a glass through the TV screen. That anyone who claims any autority as a “financial expert” can go infront of a national audience like that and claim that “nobody saw this coming” is just mind blowing.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-12-18 11:54:12

Earlier this year, I heard Tucson’s city manager use the NOSTC* excuse in a public forum. He was referring to the city’s financial crisis, which continues to this day. Here’s what he’s up to now.

*No One Saw This Coming

Comment by Englishman In NJ
2009-12-18 13:23:29

Slim:

I see you referred to Oro Valley earlier.

We are thinking of moving to Oro Valley in the next year and are visiting to take a close look in a few months.

What do you think of this area?

Thanks for any input.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2009-12-18 14:14:57

If you can afford it, Oro Valley is a wonderful place to be. However, be prepared to drive e-v-e-r-y-w-h-e-r-e. It’s not a very walkable or bikeable place.

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Comment by DinOR
2009-12-18 14:03:08

Slim,

Can you believe it took all this time to come up w/ an acronym for that? Now that you’ve penned it, it’s like it’s been there all along.

When spoken it shall be known as: NOST ‘C ( like Nasty only stupider ) Peace out Yo!

 
 
 
Comment by Sleepr Cell
2009-12-18 10:56:52

“now, they might have acted more quickly in 2006 and ‘07, before the crash, but nobody saw this coming. And I don’t think it’s fair to say Bernanke should have seen it, when nobody else did.’”

I watched that particular interview and I was so enraged by that statement that I nearly threw a glass through the television. That anyone who claims to be a “financial expert” can go in front of a national audience and state flat out that “nobody saw this coming” is just mind blowing. What the hell have we come to?

 
Comment by WT Economist
2009-12-18 11:21:33

“Virgina Democratic Senator Mark Warner said the catastrophe would have been much worse were it not for Bernanke’s actions to prevent a total collapse of the banking system. Warner said it was ‘extraordinary’ to hear the ‘finger-pointing’ directed by Republicans at Bernanke and the Democratic Congress, ‘as if one individual or one entity or one political party was responsible for the 20-year overleveraging of our economy. I think there were no clean hands.’”

That is a fair and sensible statement. When you have a country spending 6 percent more than it earns year after year, the result is certain to be disaster. That goes back more than 20 years. Read the Limits of Power: transcript here.

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08152008/transcript1.html

On the other hand, if Bernake didn’t believe or at least say that all was well, he would not have gotten the job. Greenspan would have have supported him, and Bush would not have appointed him.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-18 12:20:11

Assume you meant, “Greenspan wound not have supported him…”?

At any rate, you make a great point: In the post-Greenspan era, porcine beautification skills are an essential qualification for the Fed Chairman job. Hard-core dismal scientists need not apply.

Comment by WT Economist
2009-12-18 12:23:57

Right. We are a nation of people sucking up to those whose illusions match their self interest. Is it all going in a circle?

 
 
Comment by CB
2009-12-18 14:18:18

Bernanke is a convenient scapegoat. The current “easy money” policy is intended to be countercyclical.

Right now, it seems like unemployment is a bigger problem than inflation. If inflation becomes a more serious problem than unemployment (as in the late ’70s and early ’80s) then we will see whether Bernanke is willing to go against the politicians and start jacking up rates.

For those who say that we should abolish the fed and let the market set rates, I would say that the market already does set rates. No one is forcing you to hold your money in a US bank account. Until/unless the US imposes capital controls, you can freely invest your money overseas, if you believe you can earn a better rate of return there. Nowadays, you can easily hold your money in gold, commodity ETFs, or in any one of a variety of foreign currencies. So if you don’t like Bernanke’s flavor of monetary policy, you can vote against him with your dollars.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-18 15:10:23

“So if you don’t like Bernanke’s flavor of monetary policy, you can vote against him with your dollars.”

Good point. And apparently, the global currently market has been voting against the Greenspan-Bernanke flavor of monetary policy since around the tech stock bubble collapse (year 2000).

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-18 15:47:42

currency (my Freudian slip or perhaps typing ineptitude is showing again…)

 
 
 
Comment by JackO
2009-12-18 16:27:41

Are we posters that strong in our beliefs, the when we see the bubble rising ,that we abstain from taking in the money from the profits to be made.
I retired 27 years ago from real estate appraising, and , at that time I was telling everyone that the house prices can not continue to climb to the point where the average working stiff was unable to buy any house!
Thinking back on it, I believe what happened is the housing shortage caused by the increased immigration! Some of the immigration legal, some illegal.
But , in California , when you bring in 2-3 million immigrants , at low earning levels, you have increased demand for start prices on real estate , which drove up the real estate market, as the owners of the low priced sold, and bought , higher and higher , bigger and better, and that increased demand forced prices higher.
Everyone made money.
(aside) I stopped fee appraising when I could only keep 20% of my earnings due to all of the taxes.
Now, you can almost see the market in subsidence.
There is one safety valve, I think!
As the big homes go under, demand for lower costs will go up, as the economy worsens, the illegal immigrants might return home, and that would lessen the demand for the lower end homes.

But, I am probably wrong!

Oh, and as the final stroke of the dagger, just visualize what the proposed health charges, and the tax increases , will do to the ability of the buyers to buy, or owners to repay!

Have fun. I am 87 so only need to worry about short time stuff.

JackO

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-18 17:41:38

JackO - I sure hope I am still posting on blogs when I am 87 years old :-)

Regarding your explanation, what appears to be missing is the loose lending which enabled households to purchase homes at much higher prices than they could (collectively) afford.

And here is to hoping that your “only worrying about short time stuff” proves unduly pessimistic. Happy New Year to you!

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2009-12-18 17:48:44

I am with you JackO, I only buy a couple yellow bananas at a time, no bunches and no green ones.

Comment by Silverback1011
2009-12-19 05:13:17

Happy New Year, Jack O. You should be proud of yourself. You are modern enough to have found this blog, contribute to this, and share your wisdom ! I wish you the best. I don’t know if I’ll make it to 87, but I have my hopes. Dad will be 85 in Feb, and he’s still planning on taking his big ole boat onto Lake St. Clair this coming year, so that’s something to look forward to. Bring on green bananas !!!

 
 
Comment by Backstage
2009-12-19 11:00:08

I don’t think anyone here would refrain from makng honest money whether it was bubble money or not. In essence, it does not make a difference if you participate in the actual bubble activity: by participating in the economy you participate in the bubble.

I did not take part in the insane aspects of housing bubble, but I’m sure participating in the bust.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-18 17:38:48

“The U.S. housing crisis is building to a scenario where 22 million homes will be vacant by 2025. The sprawl of suburban Chicago makes it a prime target for such a blandscape. The University of Illinois’ I-Space Gallery is looking at the transition in an exhibition called ‘Architecture of Crisis.’ Curator, Roger Hubel is from Zurich, Switzerland. ‘In America, standard construction is harmful to the environment on so many levels. Not only do we use cheap materials that are not sustainable, but we also have created an illusion of value. People care more for square footage than quality of construction. This drove up the prices of houses and then, amazingly, people were paying the same costs in energy bills as their mortgage.’”

How does 22 million vacant homes line up against the number of homeless Americans?

 
Comment by tresho
2009-12-18 19:40:34

Ohio Superfund toxic site on sale for $15,000/acre. Any new owners will be severely limited in what (if anything) they can do with it. The 31.4 acres for sale cannot be used for residential development, excavating is not allowed and the ground water cannot be used under deed restrictions ordered by the EPA. In addition, any use of the property that cannot be supported by a risk assessment, might interfere with the current cleanup or approved by the EPA is also banned. A federal court consent degree has ordered the property sold for ‘fair market value.’

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2009-12-18 22:53:37

“‘We definitely planned for peaks and valleys in the housing market, but this just happened to be a deeper valley than I think anyone nationally had predicted or forecasted,’ he said.”

If you need me, call me. No matter where you are, no matter how far. Just call my name. I’ll be there in a hurry. On that you can depend and never worry.
(You see, my love is alive It’s like a seed that only needs the thought of you to grow. So if you feel the need for company, please, my darling, let it be me. I may not be able to express the depth of the love I feel for you, but a writer put it very nicely when he was away from the one he loved. He said down and wrote these words:)

No wind, (No wind) no rain, (no rain)
Nor winter’s cold
Can stop me, babe (oh, babe) baby (baby)
If you’re my goal

No wind, no rain,
Can stop me, babe
If you wanna go

I know, I know you must follow the sun
Wherever it leads
But remember
If you should fall short of your desires
Remember life holds for you one guarantee
You’ll always have me

And if you should miss my love
One of these old days
If you should ever miss the arms
That used to hold you so close, or the lips
That used to touch you so tenderly
Just remember what I told you
The day I set you free

Ain’t no mountain high enough
Ain’t no valley low enough (Say it again)
Ain’t no river wild enough
To keep me from you

Ain’t no mountain high enough
Ain’t no valley low enough (Say it again)
Ain’t no river wild enough
To keep me from you

Ain’t no mountain high enough
Nothing can keep me
To keep me from you

Ain’t no mountain high enough
Ain’t no valley low enough (One more time)
Ain’t no river wild enough (Say it again)
To keep me from you

Ain’t no mountain high enough
Nothing can keep me
To keep me from you

- The Supremes
- Originally sang by Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell

 
Comment by DennisN
2009-12-19 09:33:15

That article from the Brookings Institute on the intermountain west is interesting…

I can’t find the link right now, but I think it was CNN Money that carried an article this week ranking US metro areas by being good for business. Boise ranked 6th out of 100. But the Brookings Institute study says Boise is on the ropes. What gives?

Boise lost a lot of construction jobs, but that may not add to the local unemployment rolls. During the boom, I noticed that almost none of the worker’s vehicles at the constuction sites had ID plates. Most bore WA, OR, or UT plates with a smattering of AZ plates. My guess is when the jobs gave out those guys went home, adding to the unemployment rolls there.

 
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