Bits Bucket For December 24, 2009
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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Merry Christmas Eve !
God bless us everyone
especially all our troops overseas & my son in Iraq
Yeaaa Shelby,
Love the handle, especially since I am thinking about a GT500! God bless America and God bless BEN JONES FOR THIS BLOG!
“God bless America”
Apparently you haven’t been studying the bible lately or is this just shooting from the hip?
We understand. When without a response, an icon will suffice.
I was speechless. Merry Christmas!
Kate Smith is not amused.
Apparently you haven’t been studying the bible lately or is this just shooting from the hip?
I cant believe you can find something negative in almost anything someone says. You must be a miserable individual..
Nice try GIjoe but you’re about he only one I call out here. Drop the the ideological propaganda and go on your way. It’s really quite easy.
Let me say it again…. ‘John 3:16- For God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.
To hell with you and your nationalism.
FTA,
Exeter
So then for instance it’s not appropriate to wish blessings on your family - since there are other people in the world that are outside your family? Right ex?
Man all this viciousness, on this day nevertheless. I know not everyone cares about this day but can’t we all just get along, even just for today?
Cougar:
I don’t think its viciousness, I think its a pure disgust that so many JOBS are tied to this stupid ritual each year and we all have to play along, even if we have to hold our noses.
“To hell with you and your nationalism”.
Hey Ex you should shorten it down, “To hell with you” Teddy will be waiting, with scotch in hand. Merry Christmas.
Disgusting. You can’t shut it off for 30 sec. Enjoy your echo chamber.
God Bless The Whole World.
I think that we sometimes forget that Jesus wasn’t an American.
Amen Colorado! I hate the way people bandy that phrase about, as though God only loves America(ns) and hates everyone else, or somehow loves America(ns) more than everyone else. Give me a break. We need to stop projecting our own feelings on the Almighty.
God so loved THE WORLD…period (John 3:16)
God bless us all this Holiday season, no matter what corner of the globe you hail from or your religous beliefs, and keep us all safe in the new year.
That’s right…. here’s some throwing verses around to remind those who hijacked a religion to advance their oppressive ideology….
‘John 3:16- For God so loved the WORLD that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.
The world includes everyone, every nation and every man, woman and child.
It’s fine to ask for blessings. God’s love is over flowing.
Merry Christmas to all.
“It’s fine to ask for blessings. God’s love is over flowing.”
There’s always been a problem with that song. It sounds like a command - “God - bless America!” when it was probably meant to be “God, (please) bless America!”
I think that we sometimes forget that Jesus wasn’t an American.
And that he was in the construction industry before he entered his more famous profession …
I wonder if he got out due to the Nazareth housing bubble of 29. (not ‘29 as in 1929, but just 29)
(packman glances at the sky apprehensively, wary of dark clouds…)
Nice, packman!
“I think that we sometimes forget that Jesus wasn’t an American.”
I think most people forget Jesus was Jewish, not Christian.
Snort.
Always cracks me up when my right-wing, pro-Christian coworker complains about “them Jews”. I always make a point to say to him, “You know, Jesus was Jew…” and it really sets him off…
Thanks for serving, sir. And as for America, I say, God have mercy on us.
As a Canadian I express appreciation here for all your efforts in helping to make the whole world a better place to live, for all humankind, by your service and working with what you have.
As a Canadian I express appreciation here for all your efforts in helping to make the whole world a better place to live
I just got finished singing carols with the Candians, Austrailans and Romainans. It was one of the high points of my life, to be there with the coalition.
One thing to do before I die is to visit Canada and the coast of Australia(sp?).
God bless your family and home step. Merry Christmas.
Be safe brother.
Hey Step, as a stone cold atheist who thinks its all superstitious rubbish, I won’t god bless anyone but I do wish for you all to come home to your family and friends. Stay safe.
I appreciate that……
Step, Merry Christmas from the FOL at Akrotiri Cyprus!
Kalo Kristouyenna. Xronia Polla! (Sorry for the bad transliterated Greek)
Warm wishes back to you.
Did anyone see Sammy Schad’s “shady Santa” link from last nite?
Here’s a pic from that website:
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5438/santawithsax.png
left me in tears.
Funny but only here in NYC this is the biggest party night of the year for jews. The Matzoh Ball the Jewish singles night all the big clubs are packed with thousands of people. while you Christians celebrate jeebus.
Well, tomorrow night is Shabbos! The most important holiday in the Jewish Calendar, despite the fact that it comes once a week.
When people wish me a “Happy Holiday” now, (Hanukkah ended last Saturday), I tell them it’s a little early to start thinking of Tu Bishvat…
Chag Goyim Sameach / חג מולד שמח to all my Goyeshe friends!
It was in England too when I was young. Christmas Eve was all about going out and partying. Only Christmas Day was for family (a very frayed family at that…………..lol)
When I played in bands full time, either in Nevada casinos or honky tonks elsewhere, we always played holidays. They were some of the best nights I ever had. We got to joke around with the help more, let people sit in esp. visiting musicians.. People couldn’t wait to get away from their family gatherings at home LOL…those were good days.
Movie and chinese food=Traditional Jewish Christmas
I wish “peace on earth” could be a reality even if only for one day.
I wish “peace on earth” could be a reality even if only for one day.
I understand Wolfgirl,
But as long as the wolf hunts the sheep, the sheep can never have peace. One man’s peace is another man’s hell…
Yes, someone must guard the sheep. It’s an honorably job. I just wish the guards could have a break.
Guess, I’m confused. Who are the sheep and who is the wolf?
Are you speaking of the US killing sheep for their wool (oil)?
Once ignorance and bigotry is banished, there may become peace one day. Not in our, or any generation for hundred’s of years, lifetime though.
I also suspect every human having a corner to call his own for his bed and food on his table, will go a long way to promoting peace in the world.
I also suspect every human having a corner to call his own for his bed and food on his table, will go a long way to promoting peace in the world.
Really? I think what will happen is they’ll want a McMansion, a 3 car garage, two Sub-Zero refrigerators full of food, and they’ll still want more, even if they have to take down a Nation to do it.
Perhaps it’s time for a Christmas song.
Dashing through the snow. In a realtor’s SUV. O’er the fields we go. Laughing all the way. Bells on bob tails ring. Making spirits bright. What fun it is to laugh and sing a foreclosure song tonight.
Oh, Jingle mail, Jingle mail, jingle all the way. Oh, what fun it is to ride in a realtor’s SUV hey.
Nice job, FB!
Recession Alters Migration Patterns in U.S. ~ WSJ-12-24-09
The recession has had a profound effect on migration patterns in the U.S., reversing the flow of people to former housing-boom states such as Florida and Nevada, the latest data from the Census Bureau show.
In the year ending July 1, 2009, Florida — once the top draw for Americans in search of work and warmer climes — lost more than 31,000 residents to other states, the Census Bureau reported Wednesday. Nevada lost nearly 4,000. The numbers are small compared with the states’ populations, but they reflect a significant change in direction: In the year ending July 2006, Florida and Nevada attracted net inflows 141,448 and 41,640 people, respectively.
“The recession coupled with the mortgage meltdown stopped the dominant migration story of the last decade in its tracks,” said William Frey, a demographer at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think tank. “The real question is when the Sunbelt states are going to be able to come back. These new numbers suggest no end in sight.”
“Shane… COME BACK!!!!”
That darn kid ruined the movie for me
I cried like a baby. ‘course, I was only 4 at the time.
You didn’t have to say that! Sheeesh, that
comment made me feel older than dirt..
laughing!
Well, I lied about my age. I think I was 5 when that thing hit the Alex Theater in Glendale.
I just read yesterday that Colorado grew by 90K this year, and about 50K was net immigration into the state. Apparently we just hot the 5 million mark.
This article is a sort of demographic sugar plum for housing market bears. There is nothing too surprising for long-time readers, except perhaps for the observation that the number of outmigrants from California looks suspiciously small. Perhaps this is a reflection of the large number who got stucco — that is, they are so far underwater that relocation would be prohibitively expensive.
From the article:
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The census data provide the starkest illustration yet of a shift that began after the peak of the housing boom in 2006. Each year, the movement of people from states in the Northeast and Midwest such as New York, New Jersey and Michigan to job-producing states in the Sunbelt and West has lost momentum as house prices have fallen and jobs have disappeared.
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The obstacles to moving have also helped stanch the hemorrhaging of population from California. It saw a net outflow of 98,798 to other states in the year ending July 2009, compared with 313,081 in the year ending July 2006.
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People’s immobility could become an obstacle to the restructuring needed to sustain an economic recovery, as tighter credit and depressed prices make buying and selling homes a more daunting prospect. The flexibility of the labor market, underpinned by a relatively mobile population, has long been a crucial factor in the U.S. economy’s resilience.
“A lot of people are stuck,” said Steve Cochrane, an economist at Moody’s Economy.com. “If someone loses a job and can’t move to seek a job somewhere else, that can keep the unemployment rate high and also make it hard for employers to find the labor they want when they need it.”
The housing bust is also preventing retirees in colder climes from moving south. That is taking a toll on the business of Mike De Croteau, a broker at De Croteau Realty in the Boston suburb of Melrose, Mass. Three years ago, Mr. De Croteau said, he and investors put more than $500,000 into building three homes in North Port and Port Charlotte, Fla., figuring they could find retirees in the Melrose area to buy them. Two of the homes are still empty, and Mr. De Croteau said that together they are now worth about $150,000.
“Before we made the investment, a lot of the baby boomers were expected to go down to the warmer areas,” he said. “That just hasn’t happened.”
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Yep
All these people purchased with low interest rates, when interest rates rise they will have a hard t ime selling their homes.
Too bad for Mr. De Croteau’s “investors”. Not so Merry a Christmas for them. E1 in the NE thinks that RE prices s/b very, very high all over the place, so it seems. They go bust there and evidently in other places where they invest every so often.
It’s pretty hard to sell with low interest rates, too, given that many California home owners are hundreds of thousands of dollars underwater on their mortgages. The choice for many appears to be to stick around until home prices rebound to levels where they could afford to pay off their loans, or walk away with a bad credit rating plus no home equity to serve as a down payment on a home elsewhere. It appears the vast majority of those leaving their homes right now are only doing so because circumstances are forcing them (e.g., job loss with no ability to continue paying off the mortgage).
“Before we made the investment, a lot of the baby boomers were expected to go down to the warmer areas,” he said. “That just hasn’t happened.”
Oh, Lordy, I’m recovering from a fit of laughter and still trying to catch my breath. Reminds me of the constant flames on this blog about “The boomers are coming, the boomers are coming!” And I love that word “expected”. How many folks “expected” to be millionaires by the time they retired?
That just hasn’t happened? Oh, the horror! Who moved their cheese?
Three years ago, Mr. De Croteau said, he and investors put more than $500,000 into building three homes in North Port and Port Charlotte, Fla., figuring they could find retirees in the Melrose area to buy them. Two of the homes are still empty, and Mr. De Croteau said that together they are now worth about $150,000.
Ouch ouch ouch. He could not have possibly done it worse, both in terms of timing - buying at the absolute peak, and location - perhaps the most bubbly municipality in the country.
BTW this is North Port’s second go around. There was also a big bubble and crash there and in nearby Lehigh Acres in the 1950’s. It’s an interesting study, including looking at satellite photos of the area - lots and lots of just empty roads, where developers had once planned to build but went bankrupt.
Someone told me that as late as the 1980’s you could still see signs there “Now that you’re back from the war - how about a new home?!!”
There’s no hope for snowbirds returning to Florida. Conversation with my 63 year old co worker is typical, in that he says while he would like to sell and relocate to a warmer climate, he states that he’d never get the money he hoped to for his home to cover the move. Says he’s resigned to stay where he is for 5+ years.
Merry Christmas Eve everyone!!!
This is my fifth Christamas overseas, the second in the last three and a half years. Yet I am still overwhelmed to be serving our nation. Pray for our military members all around the world on this day…..
Also,
How about that Dow? Sales plunge and forclosures up! I think I may buy that mustang afterall!
Back to you, step. Keep your head down, and your spirits up.
And thank you for your sacrifices.
No, THANK YOU for supporting our military. Dont worry, I will be debating you combo for a LONG time to come! Actually, my unit is about to start Caroling here in a couple of hours. It’s about 17:21 here. We are going to take a break and sing some songs around the burn barrel and drink hot chocolate! I’m just living the dream!
Happy caroling, and thank you for your sacrifices for your fellow citizens.
God, guns and foreign quests for oil. It’s the new feudalism.
This board has turned into a Monty Python movie.
Merry Christmas to you Stpn2me and all the heroes you serve with.
Stpn2me,
Thanks for your service to our country. I appreciate your willingness to step up and put it all on the line.
Merry Christmas and my God bless all of you.
Lip
Stpn2me
The beers are on me, anytime, anyplace. Thanks
for your service to us and our country.
The beers are on me, anytime, anyplace.
Hooah! Next time you have a HBB round up, I may be home! I’ll take ya up on that!
“Hooah! Next time you have a HBB round up, I may be home! I’ll take ya up on that!”
We’re looking at DC in June and hopefully something in San Diego long before that. I suspect a lot of people will offer you beers so we’ll make sure you have a designated driver!
Have a safe holiday and thanks for everything. You will be in our thoughts this week especially!
Ditto what SD RE Bear said, step. Merry Christmas to you, and thank you so much for your sacrifices. Take good care of yourself and your comrades over there. Hope to have you back in the states soon.
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Merry Christmas to you, SD Bear!
Happy Holidays to Ben, his immediate family and all of his extended family of friends.
Thanks again Ben.
Have a good Christmas everybody. To our troops overseas, I know that you will do the best you can within your units and with your buddies until you come home safely to your families and us safely. That’s my Super Special Merry Christmas Wish to all you guys and girls and your families.
Oh, and a very Merry Christmas to Olygal and all of our friends that haven’t been on the HBB for a while.
Amen…I’m going back to bed for an hour or two because I have the flu and it went bacterial as I have a heavy duty sinus, ear and throat infection now as well. My doctor says I’ll probably live but what does she know !?!
Ugh !
mikey
I’m going back to bed for an hour or two because I have the flu and it went bacterial as I have a heavy duty sinus, ear and throat infection now as well.
Whoa, get better man! I hope you feel better…
Ooops!…and everyone play nice without any kicking, biting or scratching.
Santa’s watching.
Mikey, feel better, sending good thoughts your way! I’m not Elanor, but I am a certified Mommy (TM) - lots of rest, lots and lots of warm/hot fluid, and for heaven’s sake let go of any thoughts of chores and work.
Hope you feel better soon, Mikey! Not a fun way to spend Christmas.
As long as people like you continue to serve, Stpn2me, I will continue to support the military. Thank you.
Remember to look at the stars - and remember your family here can see those same stars.
It’s all been said already, but hearfelt thanks to you and all the people serving in harm’s way as well as everyone else serving in any capacity.
Too easy, wolfgirl. Thanks for your support…
Totally OT (thankfully, I’m the BB!).
I saw Avatar last night. Has anyone else seen this movie yet? I won’t put in an spoilers for anyone, but I was very disappointed (and had low expectations). I found it just barely watchable. The villains were totally over the top (I mean, OVER the top psycho killer type villains), the plot line was incredibly thin, the acting was between mediocre and poor… The political message was overpowering.. I just walked out of the room wondering what the heck is going on when the critics are giving this thing 4 stars and 2 thumbs up. I found it somewhat entertaining, although, frankly, I was looking for the “FF” button through much of the movie. The visuals are very good (the CGI), but, once again, they seem to not really know what to do with it (we’ll make a cool world and cat people who don’t seem to really follow the laws of physics.. And then we won’t explain, at all, why these people don’t fall the laws of physics). Once again, another “Matrix-esque” CGI show, without anything like a Matrix backstory to explain what’s going on.
I can’t remember a movie as hyped in recent history that I was so disappointed in (well, perhaps Matrix 2/3). The politics.. OMG.. 9/11, Iraq, Vietnam, oil production, energy utilization, corporate ethics.. It’s all in there. And unfortunately, all done in such a manner so to assault your senses with the directors opinion, rather than making a statement and letting you determine for yourself. There’s no thinking allowed in this movie; all the conclusions are drawn for you, and the conflicts are at about a 3rd graders level.
I would give this movie (not that anyone asked), 1.5 stars (out of 4). The CGI is good, and it’s not a 1 star (unwatchable) movie. But my goodness, make sure you don’t go in with high expectations.. Go for the CGI/art, that’s the good part. The rest is just a segue between the computer graphics.
One of the reasons I am not going to pay to watch it. Our movie makers and most acters in hollywood are VERY liberal, what else do you expect? I fully expect a bio-documentary to come out praising that idiot Chavez in the near future. I’m sure when Castro dies, the MSM will be all over it.
I was told about this movie’s bias before it even came to theaters. I didnt watch Dancing with wolves, and I doubt I will watch this one….
Dances with Wolves was a good movie. It certainly had it’s “bio” bent, but there was a good story and the characters were believable and realistic. This movie took it to a whole new level. I’m generally a fan of Hollywood, and I can take the “liberal undertones” with a grain of salt. However (and maybe I’m alone in this conclusion), this was just so over the top, it made you just live and breathe the politics of the filmmaker. It’s not a “bias”, it’s what the movie is about. And, even though I happen to agree with some of the underlying messages (corporate greed, for one), it was done in such a childlike fashion that even those messages were lost on me. I mean, come on, corporations are greedy, and a good many are evil, but, at the same time, they aren’t sociopaths/homicidal maniacs. There’s plenty of story to tell about the ills of corporate ethics without delving into a total tirade; it just makes it too childish and unbelievable to even have the intended effect.
the Noble Savage meme lives…
Stpn2me, just wondering why “Chavez” has been getting mentioned so much lately? Has Rush or his buddies been pushing that line lately? I’m just curious for why so much mention of him. We’re in the middle of 2 wars, don’t we have a full plate already? Aren’t we in over our heads already? Why bring up “Chavez”??
War #1: Afghanistan: No one seems to remember that the US supported and backed Bid Laden and his thugs/terrorists when we considered them freedom fighters. Remember the Afghanistan/ Russian war? We supported Afghanistan and ARMED and TRAINED Bid Laden!!!!! Seems like perhaps we should be questioning our own government and stop looking for boogeymen everywhere else. I think we have enough “Chavezs” in our own government.
War #2: Iraq: Then there is good old Saddam Hussein. We supported and armed that nut job when he was fighting the Iranians. Rumsfeld himself flew to Iraq so he could give Hussein a big hug and kiss. We thought Hussein was so wonderful back then. Where do you think he got those “weapons of mass destruction”????? He got them from his friends in the USA!!!!!!! But, then we decided that Hussein became this awful terrorist and we needed to stop him.
All I want for Christmas is for our government to put an end to unnecessary war, blood shed and destruction. I support our troops by demanding our government put an end to illegal, unneccessary wars and bring you HOME.
Merry Christmas to you and all our troops, those abroad and those right here at home. God Bless and Keep Safe.
Chavez has oil.
BINGO.
Oil is America’s security.
Only if we make it so. It would be perfectly possible for us to exist and prosper without oil.
“It would be perfectly possible for us to exist and prosper without oil.”
I love how you assert that without offering a shard of supporting evidence.
I’ve tried showing them my US passport at the gas station in leu of payment- they were unimpressed. We can put a finer point on it than ‘American’ or ‘our’ interests, IMO
I will offer a simple exercise for LehighValleyGuy to examine the veracity of his assertion that we could “prosper without oil”:
Obtain statistics on per-capita GDP and per-capita oil consumption for all countries in the world with, say, over 10m population. Calculate the correlation between oil consumption per capita and GDP per capita. Do you think you will find a positive or a negative correlation? Why?
It all depends on your definition of “prosper”, I suppose.
We would certainly take a standard-of-living hit if we removed our usage of foreign oil (I won’t call it “dependence” since IMO that’s subjective). The questions are:
- Would the change be acceptable? This is very subjective of course. For reference - we lived until about 1971 without significant oil importation.
- Do we actually *want* to do that? Removing usage of foreign oil would cause the U.S.’s reserves to go down faster than they otherwise would. Strategically it’s actually better for us to use foreign oil now and domestic oil later, than vice versa. (Assuming the “domestic” entity that is the U.S. survives for there to be a “later”, that is)
Professor Bear, What I’d like to know is how is it that our oil got under their sand???? I could never figure that one out.
LehighVallye Girl, I too often think ” Only if we make it so. It would be perfectly possible for us to exist and prosper without oil.”
I’ve always been taught that American is the greatest, that we can do anything we put our minds to, that the sky is the limit. Yet, when someone suggest that perhpas we could exist and prosper without oil others say “That’s not possible” Why isn’t it possible????? Why not?????? Why can’t we???? Who exactly is stopping us????? Who has the most to lose if we exist and prosper without oil?????
Wouldn’t we be much better off if we didn’t have to depend on oil that belonged to others?????? It’s not our oil, it’s their oil. We’ve just made our self depended on it. Now who’s fault is that???????????
We also supported the USSR in WWII with massive amounts of weapons.
And we fought two wars AGAINST the British before fighting 3+ wars WITH them.
What is your point? The world changes?
“What is your point? The world changes? ”
The world changes???? Huh, it seems like nothings changes to me. All we seem to have is wars, wars and more wars!!!!! What change???? Seems like the same old s**t to me.
“What is your point?” My Point is that we’ve been sold a bill of goods by the war mongers in charge. The industrial complex can’t survive without war, they can’t profit unless we’re at war. That’s my point. And you helped make my point:
” We also supported the USSR in WWII with massive amounts of weapons.And we fought two wars AGAINST the British before fighting 3+ wars WITH them”
Sounds like the war mongers made a HUGE profit on these wars. Nothing like playing both sides!!!! Sounds like treason to me!!!!!!!!
‘The world changes???? Huh, it seems like nothings changes to me.’
I found myself recently contemplating the question of how many wars the U.S. participated in during the course of the Twentieth Century, and for how many years out of the Twentieth Century we were involved in no wars whatever. I suspect the answer to my first question is “quite a few” and to the second, “very few,” but I have not yet found the time or motivation to conduct the research…
The inscriptions @ the bottom of Iwo Jima Memorial (on the hill above Arlington) are kind of an eye opener.
“just wondering why “Chavez” has been getting mentioned so much lately? ”
I think has to do with him becoming quite the leftist hero. Must be something sexy about those Marxist dictators. Let’s see…Is it the mass killings, the shutdown of oposition media/speech, the take over of private industries, or the confiscation of wealth? So much to choose from.
Unless we’re talking about some fringy whack-job leftists the only ones who constantly bring up Chavez these days are those of the right-wing persuasion. He’s the bogey man du jour. I have some pretty liberal friends (among some hard-core GOPs) and Chavez is never a topic of discussion, ever. If anything, he’s more a crazy curiousity in the realm of Idi Amin, and Kim Jong-il.
Best wishes, maybe it’s because Chavez is a douchebag. I’ve been to Venezuela many times, and there are a lot of social problems there, no doubt about it, but I haven’t seen Chavez do anything other than make them worse.
DebtinNation, like we don’t have a lot of social problems here in the US?????? We have our share of problems just like anyone else. I haven’t seen our leaders do much about solving our problems either. Actually, according to many on this blog our goverment does Nothing but make things worse. What exactly has Chavez done to make things worse in Venezuela?
You must have a love for Venezuela for you’ve visited it many times. I’ve never visited but heard that it’s a beautiful country. I’ve met fellow cruisers/sailors that have spent lots of time in Venezuela and they love it there. Hope to visit myself one day.
“Cashin05″ - “I think has to do with him becoming quite the leftist hero. Must be something sexy about those Marxist dictators. Let’s see…Is it the mass killings, the shutdown of oposition media/speech, the take over of private industries, or the confiscation of wealth? So much to choose from”
Cashin05 sounds like you could be talking about every nation on earth. Mass killings, like we don’t have a whole lot of blood on our hands; Take over of private industries or consfiscation of wealth: Sounds like corporate American, Banksters and Wall Street to me; Shutdown of oppositon media/speech; Not unlike the major corporations that control our media????
“Mass killings, like we don’t have a whole lot of blood on our hands; Take over of private industries or consfiscation of wealth: Sounds like corporate American, Banksters and Wall Street to me; Shutdown of oppositon media/speech; Not unlike the major corporations that control our media????”
I love the smell of moral relativism in the morning
Cashin05: I love the smell of moral relativism in the morning
Me too.
Umm, I thought we were blaming the French for everything ?
Ah non, mon ami. Zee Franch are no longer on our sheet leest.
Hi ecofeco, I wanted to answer to your comments that you made yesterday in regard to my comments regarding to Fed.Res. As you know it isn’t Government entity but independent, partially privet entity. As encyclopedia says it was created to”largely a response to prior financial panics and bank runs” and it was created by very powerful people ( in my opinion) to to do right opposite. As we witness times and times again because of Fed.Res. market manipulations we had Great Depression, several severe recessions and last mini Depression (if you want to call it mini). Market crashes are the main tool for that powerful people to corner the markets and enslave the shipples. In some way Ben Jons’s this blog helped many of us survive from last market manipulation… Yes there are some families who make money fro each $ that Fed. Res. is lending to Banks “who are to big to fail”. They are “to big to fail” because they largely owned by the same families, not that they are “to big”…
FYI, for those that are unsure of the definition of Liberal:
Webster’s Dictionary:
1. Generous: (Thank you Stpn2me for your generosity and service to our country)
2. Ample; abundant (Give abundant support to our troops, God Bless them and please bring them home)
3. Not literal or strict (Free spirited, keep government out of our private lives)
4. Tolerland; broad minded (Live and let live; think for yourself; beware of groupthink)
5. Favoring reform or progess (Progess is good thing. If it weren’t for progess we still be living like cavemen)
Merry Christmas, hope you have a liberating holiday!!!!!!
Stpn2me, just wondering why “Chavez” has been getting mentioned so much lately?
Best Wishes,
He gets mentioned so much because the hollywood elite are kissing his but so much (Penn, Glover, Moore)….
No one seems to remember that the US supported and backed Bid Laden and his thugs/terrorists when we considered them freedom fighters.
The Mujahadeen was who we supported. Bin Laden came later from Saudi. The Taliban just filled the vacuum of power after the soviets left.
Iraq: Then there is good old Saddam Hussein. We supported and armed that nut job when he was fighting the Iranians.
Now THIS is true, and I agree completely. I think he went crazy….
As for your second post..
Favoring reform or progess (Progess is good thing. If it weren’t for progess we still be living like cavemen)
Liberal progress isnt always a good thing. They way our forefather’s invisioned our nation isnt being adhered too. Socialism isnt progress, it’s enslavement in my opinion. This makes the people rely too much on govt.
Merry Christmas, hope you have a liberating holiday!!!!!!
It’s the afgan people we are liberating every day, and I know there are alot of them that are glad we are here…
Ample; abundant (Give abundant support to our troops, God Bless them and please bring them home)
Now with this, I agree…
God bless you and your family, Bestwishes…and Merry Christmas!
Hi Stn2me,
Excellent reply. Good, fair and healthy debate is what this country needs more of.
I Googled The Mujahadeen. “Mujahadeen in Afghanistan”
This is what I found:
After leaving college in 1979 bin Laden joined Abdullah Azzam to fight the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan and lived for a time in Peshawar.
By 1984, with Azzam, bin Laden established Maktab al-Khadamat, which funneled money, arms and Muslim fighters from around the Arabic world into the Afghan war. Through al-Khadamat, bin Laden’s inherited family fortune paid for air tickets and accommodation, dealt with paperwork with Pakistani authorities and provided other such services for the jihad fighters. He moved to Peshawar in 1994. Osama established a camp in Afghanistan, and with other volunteers fought the Soviets.
The initial Soviet deployment of the 40th Army in Afghanistan began on December 24, 1979 under Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev.[3] The final troop withdrawal started on May 15, 1988, and ended on February 15, 1989 under the last Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.
So, it appears from this that Bid Laden was part of this from the get go. The Soviet’s didn’t deploy troops till Dec 1979. Bid Laden had already joined forces to fight the soviet’s in 1979. Either way, we considered him and his fellow freedom fighters friends. Look where that got us. In hindsight, perhaps it would have been better to let the Soviets have that hell hole. Then this mess would be be they’re problem and not ours.
1. Generous: With other people’s money
2. Ample: Thinking that they can fix the world’s problems with their utopian solutions and by throwing more money at the problem.
3. Not literal or strict: Do whatever you want man; as long as you pay for me.
4. Tolerland; broad minded: There is no good or evil.
5. Favoring reform or progess: Any change is good change. Brother, Kenya spare some change?
DebtinNation:
1. Generous: With other peoples money: You mean tax payer’s money right???? Isnt’ that our money??? Who are those other people of which you speak????????????? Who’s money are we spending on these wars??? Who’s money is paying for that???????????????????????? Is that other peoples money?????????????????????????? Where’s the Money to pay for our Veteran’s health care and for those who are to ill or injured to take care of themselves??????? Would you approve of spending “Other’s people money” on these noble causes???????? It’s Christmas,It’s better to GIVE then to receive. Merry Christmas.
2. Ample: Thinking that they can fix the world’s problems with their utopian solutions and by throwing more money at the problem; OR Thinking that they can fix the world’s problems with utopian solutions by dropping bombs and killing others. War is the answer, and spending LOTS of money on war is the utlimate answer. We always seem to have lots of money for war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your right, That’s the way to fix the worlds problems, War !!!!!
3. Not literal or strict: Do whatever you want man; as long as you pay for me: OR God willing I’ll pay my own way Thank You. And if someone else finds him/herself in a situation where they’re not as fortunate to pay for themselves due to illness or injury I’ll be happy to help pay for them too. That’s having the Christmas spirit all year round. “Help those that can not help themselves” You can count on me brother to always lend a helping hand. Can we count on you??????? I hope so.
4. Tolerland; broad minded: There is no good or evil. Who ever said that????????? You associate having a broad open mind to “there is no good or evil”??? If it’s one thing I know for sure it’s that there is plenty of good and evil in the world. No question about it!!!!! And unfortunately EVIL seems to have the upper hand; intolerant,close minded and the love of money, the roots of evil!!!
5. Favoring reform or progess: Any change is good change. Brother, Kenya spare some change? Who’d doesn’t want progess???????? Really, do you not want us to progress as a people and nation???????? Who said “Any change is good change” I think you’ve got change and progess confused; these are 2 different things. As for reform I favor reforming lots of things: tax code; education system, welfare system, medicare, etc. All of these could use some level of reform. It’s not that ANY change is good change, BUT sometimes some change can be good. Keep an open mind.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Merry Christmas and Peace to all, especially to all of you serving in our military, and Veterans too. Your sacrifice is not forgotten. Thank you for your generosity and good will. God Bless, love and peace to all.
All of those question marks and exclamation points really validate your reasoning! Peace out………………..
You are certainly liberal with your usage of question marks and exclamation points.
Mustafa: You are certainly liberal with your usage of question marks and exclamation points.
Your right!!!!!!!!!!!!! I’ll try to curb my usage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Our movie makers and most acters in hollywood are VERY liberal, what else do you expect?
Uh, you can and should expect a lot more. A bad movie is a bad movie, regardless of any messages contained therein.
There are plenty of movies with questionable politics/motives that happen to be great pieces of filmmaking (eg., Leni Riefenstahl’s Triumph Of The Will). You don’t have to agree with or believe the messages to enjoy a good movie. On the other hand, I don’t care what “messages” James Cameron put in his movie, ’cause it looks like an overpriced steaming pile o’ manure. Why bother?
Now “Triumph of the Will” - that should be must viewing. Amazing piece of propaganda.
ET, have you ever seen “J’accuse”? If not, you should. Another astounding 1930s film.
Oh - and follow-up both “Triumph” and “J’accuse” with our own domestic “The Best Years of Our Lives”.
Amazing films all.
I thought the critics were getting all hyped up because James Cameron sort of invented a new way of filming that allowed the actors to see themselves as the CGI characters and that directly translated their facial expressions and movements to the CGI without any artist deciding what their gestures and facial expressions should be.
That is supposed to be a big deal in terms of movie history and most critics consider themselves film historians of some type. I’d say that has a a lot to do with it.
IMO too many movies build their plots around special effects rather than vice-versa. The special effects end up being what the movie is all about rather than the plot.
That is certainly the case in this movie. The Matrix had incredibly special effects, but had a really solid/believable story to go with it. This had good special effects, but the story was like something a preschooler sketched out with a crayon. When the main character cries out “This is our land”, the moment was so awkward that I actually had to turn away; it was like watching a high school film class assignment. Big budget movies are not supposed to be awkward like that; the acting was just… Poor about sums it up.
So, Michael, how did you REALLY feel about the movie ?
Wait, growing an entire of people in pods simply to harvest the heat from their bodies is “believable”? Interesting and philosophicaly trippy I’ll grant, but believable was off on a ski vacation with logical and reasonable.
Correct. They should have been used as part of a giant computer, as in the excellent novel “Wolfbane”.
You want plot? Go to France!
IMO too many movies build their plots around special effects rather than vice-versa. The special effects end up being what the movie is all about rather than the plot.
I agree with this 1000%. My favourite movie is “The Maltese Falcon”, c. 1941. Not a single hint of any special effect. Just some of the best character actors who ever lived.
What about “The Road?” I heard that’s awesome.
No thanks, even if it does star Aragorn son of Arathorn Descendent of Isildur son of Elendil First King of Gondor (Weilder of the Sword Re-forged, Elfstone, Elessar, bearer of the star of Elendil. etc., ad inf.) I can’t handle post-apocalytics or man-v-nature-nature-wins stories. The trailer alone gave me nightmares.
Wow, Oxide. Little did we know that a LOTR uber-geek lurked beneath your calm, reasonable, normal surface.
My respect for you, always high, is now immeasurable!
The Road is simply too bleak for me. Even if it’s fundamentally about a father’s love for his son, I just can’t watch it. Reading the book was enough. I’ll celebrate the solstice/Christmas/New Year by watching the LOTR trilogy again.
I’m looking forward to The Book of Eli. Denzel Washington and Gary Oldman are in the movie. Two actors that I love to watch.
Just go rent “Elf” again. And smile.
Why bother? I think USA has had it running on a continuous loop for a week.
One of my sons saw it and liked it, but he’s a computer graphics guy (and left wing.) I think I’ll skip it. I haven’t been in a movie theater in ten years. Too expensive.
I also recently rented “Night at the Museum.” Very funny, just to see Dick Van Dyke and Mickey Rooney.
Great flick, chili. Elf, too. I like movies that bring a smile to your face. A lot of the CGI stuff leaves me cold.
A friend of mine is the recording technician favorite of Jeffrey Katzenburg, and he said the plot of Avatar was terrible. All of Hollywood is aware of that. The surrealistic biosphere created through CGI left me in tears. Yes, the Native American references were over the top, they even apologized to deerlike creatures when they killed them, but I can excuse them for creating a viable biosphere that could trap me into escapism. I was entertained by Avatar.
I can understand how military types would be offended. My Dad bombed Cherbourg, France on D-Day if you want my credentials. It seemed like a realistic portrayal of the extremists in the military.
I sympathize. I remember feeling the same way when ‘300′ came out…the CGI was good, the acting horrible, but the political message of vanquishing “ugly brown foreigners” who only want to destroy Democracy and steal our women was too overpowering in its pandering and xenophobia. Unsurprisingly, the Fox News crowd couldn’t praise it highly enough.
I wouldn’t say Hollywood has a liberal bent by any means…lots of neo-cons out there with an agenda as well.
Health Care Bill passes the senate. How would it affect the middle class?
I’m still not clear about specifics in the bill. Anyone know what this bill has in it.
Martin
Google-up “health care bill summary”.
The ultralibs are now demanding more stuff during conference committee, like putting the public option back in. I don’t know what they’re thinking. The Senate would just filibuster the conference report (ie, the final bill) again.
I pray for the Public Option. They’re is nothing that would make be happier than putting the SQUEEZE on insurance companines. I loathe insurance companies, they’re nothing but blood suckers. The Public Option will bring them to their knees. Bring on the Public Option!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A good illustration of how bloodlust, not reason or desire to serve the public welfare, is driving the gov’t health care zealots.
Are you suggesting that insurance companies are not driving the anti goverment health care zealots? Are you kidding me? So, I guess your on the insurance company side? Please tell us how do the insurance companies serve the public welfare? Do you really think they are in game to serve the public welfare? There in it for pure Profit. They’re not in to serve anyone’s welfare, there in it to sure up there own best interest.
How is it that so many are against goverment health care and claim the goverment screws up everything and that they can’t be trusted with this? Yet, on the other hand we trust them to protect us with the military and to have their finger on the button? How’s does one reconcile the two? You trust them to decide when we go to war and the whom and when. Yet, you don’t trust them to handle our health care insurance?
Simple, I do not trust them with the military or nuclear weapons or just about anything.
The problem is everyone is stuck on the false choice between “insurance companies” and “government” when in reality the government created the “insurance companies” we have today through their employer based benefit program that is exempt from “income tax”.
Insurance is not a right, health care is not a right. Remove all of the regulations and taxes that favor health insurance companies and get the government OUT OF healthcare.
Think about it, if “health care” is a right then “food is a right” and there should be a “public food option” because that would be “cheaper” than paying those farmers. Unfortunately, farmers and doctors have both been harmed due to government regulations that empower big farma, monsanto, etc.
VirginiaTechDan : “Insurance is not a right, health care is not a right. Remove all of the regulations and taxes that favor health insurance companies and get the government OUT OF healthcare”
Okay, we’ll ll do that way.
But wait, NO insurance companies and NO goverment backed healthcare. Who’s going to pay for those that can’t pay for themselves? Are you self insured? Meaning, do you have millions of dollars stashed away somewhere just in case you need it for some unforeseen medical need? Medical treatment is VERY expensive you know and it has this nasty habit of creeping up on you when are not looking. If your not self insured what’s going to happen to YOU should get sick and you can’t pay the bill?
May be it’s not you that gets sick, hopefully no one gets sick or injured, but that’s not the real world is it? What if your neighbor, friend, family member, gets sick and don’t have enough money to pay for medical treatment? Are you willing to pay for their medical expenses out of your pocket? Remember now, NO insurance and NO goverment help. So, if you don’t pay who’s going to pay the doctors and nurses? They can’t expect to work for free. No Insurance, No government care and you don’t have the money? Now what????
I’ll tell what I’m in favor of TAXES!! That’s right, you heard it hear more TAXES!! Taxes for healtcare.
1. Much higher taxes on Cigarettes, those nasty, disgusting butts, tax the hell out them.
2. Much higher taxes on booze. I know, that’s going to upset many of us, including me, but I’m willing to pay it. Hey, just think how much the gobmint could rake in on all those crazy college drinking binges. Have you seen some of these drinking fools on these wild parties broadcasted on TV? Some towns acutally promote this lunacy: Come to ***** and drink till you drop!!!! Tax them extra! I don’t know about you but that last thing I want in my town is a much of drunk and wild college students.
3. The sweet tax. Cookies, cakes, candy, you name it. If I has sugar in it, higher taxes.
4. The Fat tax: Fried chicken anyone???? Potato chips. That should make many on this blog happy, for they think it’s only the obese that get sick. So, why not let them pay? I love a portion of fried chicken now and then. If the Gobmit wants to add another .25 on that chicken that’s okay with. I won’t let .25 cents get in my way.
5. Vigaria, Botex, nail saloons, hair dye. You know all those wonderful Chemicals that are good for your health.
I’m sure we could come up with a few more ideas.
Agree with you 100% on the taxes, Best Wishes.
There is no filibustering during reconciliation. This is going to be an up or down vote. They only need 50.
They need 60 to break a filibuster. Lieberman and Nelson have said they would filibuster if the public option is put back in the bill.
Does Lieberman always have to be a contrarian just for the sake of it? Heaven forbid he wouldn’t have enough money to pay for his health insurance.
Lieberman is a contrarian because it gets attention and gets his fellow Senators licking his boots. I’m not sure the man has any principles left.
Comment by Elanor
2009-12-24 14:21:59
Lieberman is a contrarian because it gets attention and gets his fellow Senators licking his boots. I’m not sure the man has any principles left.
My home state is Connecticut and Elanor you are excactly right. He’s a man with NO principles. What a disgrace.
I think you’re confusing “reconciliation” with “conference.” Unfortunately, government likes to say they “reconcile” House and Senate bills in conference before a final vote, which causes the confusion.
True Reconciliation is a Senate parliamentary procedure which applies only to direct budget items. In return for an up-or-down vote, a Reconciliation item must have a sunset clause. The law automatically expires unless Congress renews it.
[For example, the 2001 Bush tax-cuts-for-the-rich were "rammed through" by Reconciliation, and they are set to expire in 2011. That's why the conservatives are always talking about "making the tax cut permanent." It's also a large part of the reason why the conservatives were so dismayed when Obama was elected instead of McCain. They knew Obama would never extend those tax cuts. ]
When House and Senate bills are merged into a final bill, that’s a conference report. That’s where the health care bill is now. There was talk of using Reconciliation on the Senate health care bill, but since a lot of the provisions weren’t direct budgetary items (for example, ending recission), it was thought that reconciliation wouldn’t be allowed. So now, there is talk in lib circles of making the public option a separate bill, or an amendment on another bill, and using reconciliation just for that provision, since the public option is a budget item.
List of immediate chnages:
http://www.politico.com/static/PPM136_091221_managers_early_deliverables.html
Strengths:
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Weaknesses:
1. American College of Surgeons and 18 other specialty groups are opposed.
2. The plan’s most tangible efforts to restrain medical costs are through its controls on specialist physicians.
3. Congress will subject doctors to a mix of financial penalties and regulations to constrain their use of the most costly clinical options. The penalties and regulations are aimed first and foremost at surgeons and the medical devices that they use, largely because that’s where the bulk of spending is.
4. Bureaucrats will run healthcare - Senate bill gives to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. The agency will be given the authority to unilaterally write new rules on when medical devices and drugs can be used, and how they should be priced. In particular, the Obama team wants to give the agency the power to decide when a cheaper medical option will suffice for a given problem and, in turn, when Medicare only has to pay for the least costly alternative.
5. The Senate health-care bill exempts Medicare’s actions from judicial review, taking away the right of patients to sue the government.
6.Ironically, private health insurers must comply with new patient appeals rights under the Senate bill. The government has exempted itself from the same sort of protections.
7. Primary-care doctors who refer patients to specialists will face financial penalties under the plan.
8. The Obama plan imposes new costs on doctors who remain solo, mostly by increasing their overhead requirements—such as requiring three years of medical records every time a doctor orders routine medical equipment like wheelchairs.
9.
From: What Doctors and Patients Have to Lose Under ObamaCare
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704254604574613992408387548.html
Weaknesses (cont)
9. One provision, laid out in Section 3022, allows doctors to share with the government any savings to the government they achieve by delivering “less care” —but only if physicians are part of groups caring for more than 5,000.
In conclusion, this plan sucks and I really don’t see anything good about it.
More care does not always equal better care. More expensive care does not always equal better care. If you think your doctor is going to stiff you on care you need to get money back from the government, you really need a new doctor.
My dad goes to see a doctor who is fairly conservative with care. He had a significant increase in lower back pain a while ago. Doc told him to lose some weight, sent him to physical therapy, etc. Finally it got bad enough that he got sent for an MRI. Turns out he had a rare, benign tumor that required fairly dangerous surgery. Done and successful. I told him that a more aggressive doctor might have sent him for the MRI earlier and the back surgery could have happened earlier and been out of pain sooner. But 99,999 times out of 100,000 (actually, odds might be longer than that) it isn’t a tumor and the MRI is useless.
So people are already getting care that conforms to the behavior favored by the bill. My dad had a few very uncomfortable weeks that he could have avoided with more aggressive treatment. But that isn’t the best care to give. Most of the time, more care would just cost Medicare more money and do nothing except confirm that the 70 year old guy should exercise a bit more and lose a few pounds to make his back feel better.
I’m a surgical subspecialist who is for the reforms, though my subspecialty organization is strongly opposed. From my seat, it makes sense. My colleagues are addicted to useless technology and are constantly demanding that the hospital spend more on devices that make it more expensive to do simple operations. You can do a tonsillectomy with an 80 cent wire or with good-old fashioned electrocautery with minimal bleeding, but we keep purchasing fancy equipment with costly disposable attachments, making the operation longer and more expensive but no less painful. WTF? The orthopedists insist on trying the latest implants instead of trying to reach a consensus to pressure the device makers into selling them at a discount.
On the other hand, I am a big fan of the newer minimally invasive endoscopic techniques, because they decrease pain and have the potential to minimize complications.
We need to cut costs. And there are lots of ways to do it, but we have to be forced into it. By the government.
rehobbyist,
Point taken, but I don’t think the government will cut costs, just move them from the medical professionals to the government bureacracy. In fact, the costs will explode in the future while while the quality will recede.
How many doctors that will refuse to work for the government and will retire or quit?
Point taken, but I don’t think the government will cut costs, just move them from the medical professionals to the government bureacracy. In fact, the costs will explode in the future while while the quality will recede.
Again Medicare already delivers $1.00 of medical care for less than 50% of private insurance. Even when private insurance seeks to duplicate medicare with the same population (see medicare advantage) it costs the US tax payer much more.
How many doctors that will refuse to work for the government and will retire or quit?
If specialist MD’s salaries dropped in half (which won’t happen) they would still most likely be in the top 5% of wage earners. My guess is few will want to go back to school to try and improve on this. Even if some quit that will only cut costs as far too many procedures are done in the US with no real medical benefit. You can expect a crack down on this in the future.
Packman posted
As a health care professional - would you not agree that much of the costs for over-the-top equipment are as a result of insurance coverage? I.e. someone is willing to have a given too-expensive procedure done.
Agree 100% but the problem with using cost to keep people from getting expensive medical care that they may not need is that the average joe has no idea what they need or don’t need. You see people skipping meds or routine care, or coming in late with chest pain or stroke symptoms. You can’t have a free market that works if the consumer does not understand the product.
I don’t think the government will cut costs, just move them from the medical professionals to the government bureacracy.
A bureaucracy whose oversight is less than stellar:
Wapo June 13, 2008
I believe 60 Minutes had a whole segment on this. Theirs was to do with bilking Medicare by opening fake stores that supposedly carried medical supplies, such as wheelchairs, etc. They closed down after a few months and reopened elsewhere doing the exact same thing.
We need to cut costs. And there are lots of ways to do it, but we have to be forced into it. By the government.
I have a problem with this logic.
As a health care professional - would you not agree that much of the costs for over-the-top equipment are as a result of insurance coverage? I.e. someone is willing to have a given too-expensive procedure done, equipment used, etc. because it’s covered by insurance, and thus they don’t have to pay out of their own pocket.
If so - then how is forcing people to buy insurance - people who otherwise would pay out of pocket - going to help the situation?
P.S. Aren’t many of the disposable attachments and such mandated by government agencies - e.g. HHS, FDA, etc.? If so - do you expect these mandates to go away now?
Hi Pack. Merry Christmas to you.
I didn’t mean to say that doctors are making the wrong decisions about diagnosis and treatment. Doctors are well trained to make those decisions. The problem is that too many of my colleagues add too many expenses for their treatment.
I’m in the OR right now, waiting for the anesthesiologists to put my patient to sleep. They have tens of thousands of dollars of intubating equipment in here, with scopes and video screens. And after using thousands in disposable equipment the anesthesiologist succeeded in intubating with a good old-fashioned, reusable MAC blade. Wasted thousands for the same result.
Now all I have to do is drain a neck abscess. I could ask for the harmonic scalpel and ask them to administer all kinds of IV medications and order an expensive drain. But we can do it just as well with a good old fashioned scalpel and a latex Penrose drain. The patient got antibiotics on the floor - much cheaper than in the OR.
But my anesthesia and surgery brothers don’t like being told that they can’t have their new toys, despite my snide comments to them. They don’t see the costs. Somebody has to make them see the costs. And I trust the government more than insurance companies.
You know, private insurance makes you get preauthorization before you can proceed. Medicare lets me do my job and they may or not pay afterward. It saves a lot of time and administrative costs.
I keep hearing about doctors who don’t take Medicare, but the only one I know who doesn’t is a materialistic jerk who cares more about money than her patients.
OK, I’ll get this done and then go home.
Thank you very much for your insight and opinions, REhobbyist.
RE :
I am still in awe over the posters and the insights you give on what???….. a housing bubble blog.
If OhBaHma would read this blog he might come up with the answers that will make him the best Pres ever….fat chance right?
REhobbyist, Thank you,Thank you, Thank you!!!!
I have several friends in the medical field and they to support this bill.Why is it that people think that more treatment is better???? Sometimes LESS is more.
I have NO problem paying more taxes if it means insuring that ALL Americans get equal and good access to healthcare. No one should have to suffer for lack of money for healthcare. Yes, Support our troops, but don’t forget to support our fellow citizens in need of medical care either.
Better yet, let’s take some of the tax monies going to pay for wars, blood shed and destruction, and apply it to helping those at home. Charity starts at home. Why is it that we always seem to find the $$$$$$$ for war and NEVER seem to have it for healthcare and education????
Excellent post REhobbyist,
I used to give anesthesia and I can hardly believe the expense, waste and state of idiocy the medical field has sunk to in the name of newest and latest technology.
KISS = Keep it simple stupid.
We need to cut costs. And there are lots of ways to do it, but we have to be forced into it. By the government.
Why does it have to be Gobmint? Insurance companies can do the same thing and have done it many times in the past?
I don’t understand many people’s logic. It’s OK for the Govmint to deny/ration/restrict services but when insurance companies do it, well that’s a whole another matter.
I don’t understand many people’s logic. It’s OK for the Govmint to deny/ration/restrict services but when insurance companies do it, well that’s a whole another matter.
Well - the government isn’t motivated by profits - only by the goodwill of the people, and therefore will do a much better job.
Or so the thinking goes.
Maplesucks:
Why does it have to be Gobmint? Insurance companies can do the same thing and have done it many times in the past? I don’t understand many people’s logic. It’s OK for the Govmint to deny/ration/restrict services but when insurance companies do it, well that’s a whole another matter.
Hi hear you. Isn’t this the same Gobmint that runs the Pentagon and Defense Department? I too don’t understand people’s logic in this. It’s OK for the Gobmit to decide with who, when, where and why we must got go to war.They decide who’s son, daughter, brother, sister, mother or father should put their life on the line for us. But, when the Gobmit wants to run healthcare and deny/ration/restrict services well, that’s a whole another matter.They’re not qualified to make those decisions, Gobmit is too stupid and can’t be trusted. They’ll just make one big mess out of things.
Maybe we should allow the insurance companies to run the Pentagaon and Defense Dept too? What you think?
Thank you REhobbyist. I see this syndrome in all professions and industries. It’s why Toyota is no No. 1. Why should it be any different in medicine?
Just another example of how “free market” is a bankrupt ideology. Instead of aggressively finding ways to make treatment faster, safer, more pain free and more affordable, just the opposite is happening. Not to say that better ways aren’t being discovered, but resistence seems to be just pervasive as any other industry.
The American Academy of Urologists is for it…( the single payer option ). Hiring staff to deal with multitudes of ins. co’s. with different sorts of rules is very expensive for health care providers.
Hiring staff to deal with multitudes of ins. co’s. with different sorts of rules is very expensive for health care providers.
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Exactly.
don’t forget this little accounting trick
“One of the biggest cost-savers in the Senate plan involved some $500 billion saved from cutting “waste, fraud, and abuse” in the Medicare system. Under the plan, that money would go into a trust fund, in the form of bonds, that would be used to partially shore Medicare up in the future, as costs continued to rise (you know, the costs that are supposed to decrease thanks to the gaseous emanations from the hinder parts of various Magic Unicorns). That was counted as a savings, since we could use that money on Medicare instead of appropriating new cash. So far, so good.
“However, that isn’t the end of it. Realizing that they had a trust fund that would theoretically be stuffed with money, Senate Democrats then set up a number of new programs that would be funded from money from that same trust fund.
“In other words, Harry Reid and his Band of Renown were counting that trust fund twice, as a set-aside to offset future spending and as revenue to fund brand-new spending. That’s dirty pool, no matter what accounting rules you use”
http://tinyurl.com/y8axjkg
You forgot, perhaps, a possible scenario. those bureaucrats would be ensconced in their desks situated in the office of ACORN. LOL
Who better is able to contact and help the underinsured,non-insured, or those in need of help!
LOL
JackO
Jack O; You forgot, perhaps, a possible scenario. those bureaucrats would be ensconced in their desks situated in the office of ACORN. LOL
Who better is able to contact and help the underinsured,non-insured, or those in need of help!
LOL
JackO
You think helping those in need is a Joke? Hope you never need a helping hand JackO. Do you think helping our Veterans that need our help is a Joke? Do you think helping the sick and injured and less fortunate amoung us a joke? Looks like JackO isn’t in the Christmas spirit. Christmas is all about giving, JackO. You should try is sometime.
I don’t find anything funny about under insured or non-inisured people and anyone going without medical care. Even you JackO. Do you think human suffering is a Joke??? It sure appears from your post you do. LOL. You must have got that “Acorn” line from your leader Rush. LOL. Just curious how old are you? Your post sounds very childish!!!! Merry Christmas JackO.
Sen Max Baucaus showed up to debate last night just a wee bit tipsy. I wonder how my overloads would react if I showed up to work drunk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5Y9X5ggxzA
Speaking of good will towards men…can anyone in the DC area recommend movers? I’m hoping to do the vast majority of the non-furniture stuff myself (with friends) since I’m getting possession of the apartment on Saturday and can’t use the freight elevator until the morning of New Year’s Eve, but I need movers to do the furniture. It will take a real truck - a pick up or a full size van won’t work - at least not under the time constraints in place, though I wouldn’t be surprised if two guys could pull it off as well as three.
Help!
I’m not in the DC area, but I’ve used Two Men and a Truck in the past for local moves. I believe it’s a franchise. The basic premise is that you pay an hourly rate. It can be very effective if you’re able to pack yourself.
In my opinion, one of the primary keys to a successful move is a good packing job.
Good luck, Polly.
Polly –
A few companies that I used when I lived in the area would come with three people instead of the two requested. They would say that the work would go a lot faster by using three not two, which it never did, and they subtly intimated that they wouldn’t work as hard if they all didn’t get paid.
I called the company on the second group when the third wheel was a woman (I apologize for my sexual dimorphically driven sexism) and they were surprised that three had shown up when two had gone out. I think that they probably just picked up the partner of one of the guys on the way to my place and assumed that I would fold under the societal pressure. Fool me once…
MrBubble
Sexist. What the hell, I’ll bite. The spade is a spade.
I can’t help you because I’ve always relied on the kindness of friends.
Kindness of friends would be great, but I only have the freight elevator for 4 hours and I can’t guarantee friends could do the unload that quickly. So I am stuck.
Polly: I’ve used Craig Van Lines in Fairfax twice and they’re storing 7,700 pounds of our goods while we’re overseas. Nice people, good service and they always worked with me on price.
http://www.craigvanlines.com
So long as the freight elevator is big enough. I discovered one move that my couch wouln’t fit in the elevator of my new building. To the 21st floor. Ended up giving it to the maintenance crew.
This couch has been in freight elevators before, so I hope that it will fit. Actually, I think it has always gone in the regular elevators. Are there actually different elevtors?
I just called to cancel my Verizon service. I had to give my phone number, account number and new address to 3 separate people - none of the date transferred when they transferred my call to the next person. First person was from the general “move my phone” department. Wasn’t allowed to talk to me because my new place has Fios. I had to talk to a Fios person. Fios person said that my old number won’t transfer to the new location and completely failed to even attempt to sell me on Fios. But he couldn’t cancel the account. I had to get transferred to a third person who could do that.
Dare I say this? Comcast customer service was a pleasure by comparison. Triple play will do for now. I can use a cell phone when the cable is out.
Already dealt with Washington Gas. Building said they take care of water/sewer. Pepco is the last call and they are closed for Christmas.
Jim Polly:
If you look on CL there are people that disassemble and reassemble couches Murphy beds, wall units just for this purpose..
If its an expensive item its worth having it done.
We went through the phone# transfer ( No talk to that dept., no wait, talk with Jennifer in this dept., no wait, talk with your new phone company and they will transfer the number from us to themselves !!! ) and it was a stinking nightmare. Our old phone company had been bought out by some newcomer from Missouri and their “help” dept. was so rude that we switched the house phone to AT&T for awhile, and then to Comcast, because we reasoned that AT&T at least knew what it was doing. We maintain a house phone because of my husband’s health conditions and the fact that we may not have time to hunt around for the cell phone…Comcast’s customer service has indeed improved.
When we move I look in the classifieds for haulers. I can always find a few guys with a truck who move us for much less than the commercial companies. Of course, make sure you have some male friends around when they arrive, Polly, just to be safe.
I hope you have a nice place for a good price!
Polly, Town and Country. I used them w good results, after a referral from a friend, who also used them and was happy w the experience.
I’ll give them a call. Thank you.
I’m fairly resolved to this costing a bit. Worth it. Great apartment for $9 a month more than I am currently paying. Closer to work. Closer to friends and social activities. Better security. Better amenities. Just better. I can’t believe how much more I’m getting without having to spend more.
Polly: Craig Van Lines in Fairfax has moved us twice and they are storing 7,700 pounds of our stuff while we’re overseas. Great folks and they worked with me on price on both moves.
http://www.craigvanlines.com
Thanks, Mugsy. I’ll call them first thing on Saturday.
Sounds like a nice Christmas gift you’re getting there, Polly. Good luck with your move!
I’ve noticed U-Haul will supply both labor and a truck. YMMV
I used a company called Majestic Moving a couple of years ago when I moved. They were fast and didn’t mind hauling the couch up three flights of stairs. The number is 703-538-MOVE.
I’ve used Brennan’s Moving and Storage a few months ago for an intra-Maryland move. If you google their name, they should come right up. I was happy with them.
I’ve used Beltway Movers in the past and been very pleased - they’ll give you a quote over the phone. You can contract for exactly what you need - how many guys for how long and they were always reasonable when compared to the large national movers.
Last time I used them was ten years ago.
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_659234.html
Home sales are up and prices are down. Whodathunkit?
AHHHHH!
I just ran into a nice guy from high school, he’s a Realtor now.
Nooooooooooo!
LOL…
I hope you wished him a Merry Christmas….
Send him a Christmas card made from a mortgage reset chart.
Oh cripes. You owe me a new shirt, this one’s ruined from coffee stains! That was… awesome.
do you mean this reset chart:
http:// 1.bp.blogspot.com/_nH2Jyu86MZI/Shll2fKc-KI/AAAAAAAABzM/faHZtNK9UB4/s1600-h/CreditSuisseResetMarch09.jpg
I don’t know how to do tiny url
everyone should know about this chart
Just go to tinyurl DOT com and fill in the blanks.
And just LOOK at that chart, and how much of it is ARM and Neg-Am. Is this the toxic waste that Fonie and Fraudie have been buying?
Either go to tinyurl dot com and enter the long URL you posted into the box captioned “Enter a long URL to make tiny:” to get a tiny one: http://tinyurl.com/pgjao6 ,
or use (Type your own text you want linked here)
For instance, “here is the ARM reset chart.”
Mean, but very funny!
Cmon Mugz…… a real live Rottenchester Realtard and you didn’t get him to talk delusionally for the lamest but newest RealtorCrimeSyndicate propaganda?
I can only imagine how the upstate NY realtor idiocy must sound like now….
“Rottenchester”
Y’know, I may just be done with Rochester. I’m not sure Florida is where I will settle, but Rochester really is dying a miserable death. It doesn’t help that my remaining friends and family here are batty.
And it’s not just Rottenchester.
I have the same reaction every time I head upstate and in VT. The slow painful slide into post industrialization makes the place miserable, depressing much like the video footage I see of post communist russia. High unemployment/chronic underemployment, substance abuse, worsening poverty, people seeking answers in church and not getting it, etc etc.
You really can’t go home again. Glad you found this out before moving back, Muggy.
Always been a Midwestern gal myself, but this year with my sister and her family all living in FL (they’re going to the beach tonight, the rotten so-and-so’s) I am beginning to wonder why we stay in this miserable climate. Oh right, jobs.
I think you will find that the batty family is a lot more fun once you decide that you are NOT moving back home. Knowing that you will forever be able to limit the amount of exposure makes the visits much, much, much more enjoyable.
My high school salutatorian is now a Realtor and a property investor in Tuscon, AZ. She’s been in the business since 05.
Old stuff, but I had several co-workers in the 2005-2007 timeframe either quit to become realtors or became realtors after being laid off. I work in telecom engineering - realtor is pretty much the opposite end of the skill set spectrum. Something tells me they didn’t do so hot.
Not surprising. Why work in an office as a low paid drone just waiting to be laid off when there was easy money to be made as a Realtor?
Or maybe your friend couldn’t find a “real job” in the first place.
Did you mean to say,
“I just ran into a nice guy from high school,
BUT
he’s a Realtor now.”
No, I hit him with my car, he sustained brain damage, and is now a Realtor. I meant exactly what I wrote
I’m secretary for a service club whose members go ballistic if they think I’m giving out the address list.
So I get a Merry Xmas card from - whaddya know, a Realtor who recently rejoined..nice gal, but who gave her the list? Desperate much?
A very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. And if you’re not into Christmas, then Happy Holidays to you. I hope that all here and their loved ones have a happy, healthy, and prosperous 2010.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you, too, silverback!
“The America Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
-Alexis de Tocqueville
Well Alexis, it appears that day has arrived.
USA RIP?
Dec. 24, 2009
There’s some hope for the Old Girl yet:
Legal challenges to current bill
well - except Alexis was a guy.
I was referring to our nation AKA The Republic????????
I am aware that M. Alexis de Tocqueville c’est un homme!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol
you have to explain everything around here anymore.
What about the day that corporations discover that they can bribe the Congress with the public’s money?
What’s the difference?
Congress is mostly just proxy for the corporations, in case you didn’t realize by now.
(Oh, and so much for the new administration’s promise to cut back on lobbying. Meet the new boss - same as the old boss.)
BINGO
LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THAT PORK GOES TO corporations, hospitals. I don’t see a lot going to the average voter.
Someday my post will show - I put a link to a report on this year’s lobbying.
Till then - my response to oxide is - I don’t see a difference. Congress now acts as nothing more than a proxy for the corporations, so congress bribing the public is the same as corporations bribing the public.
Only difference in the parties is which corporations they’re a proxy of. Pubs generally is real estate,military, and banks - Dems generally is health care, unions, and banks again.
So the switches back and forth between parties (remarkable how consistent that’s been for the past 50 years or so eh?) isn’t so much about corporate control vs. not, it’s more about which corporate sector gets its turn at increasing control. Banks get to play their hand every turn, of course.
What about the day that corporations discover that they can bribe the Congress with the public’s money?
On that day, corporations (which were never envisioned when the Constitution was written) should be abolished, and the powers of Congress should be restricted to the ones originally stated.
In fact, they were not only envisioned, but one of the main reasons there was an American Revolution.
You see, the East India Co. had the British government pass stringent regulations on what could and could not be manufactured by the colonies. This resulted in the colonies buying back there own raw materials as finished goods and a substantial markup, when they could have been manufactured cheaper here. It had many other economic ramifications for the colonies as well, all negative.
The Founding Fathers pretty much despised corporations, but recognized their inescapable utility and so wrote many regulations to control them. Those regulations were under constant attack and finally gutted when the railroads achieved personhood in the 19th century.
A disaster and travesty against humanity.
We have become the very thing our Independence stood against. How’s that for historical cycles?
They had corporations back then. Even transnationals. East India Co ring a bell?
What about the day that corporations discover that they can bribe the Congress with the public’s money?
Why is our money going to the fed govt anyway? The only thing the govt should be doing for me is protecting me and letting me vote. The states should be getting my money, not the fed govt.
Besides providing for a national defense, it has to establish justice, so the government must have some revenue of some sort.
The year after the 16th amendment passed (it was not correctly ratified and should be removed from the Constitution anyway), the average american paid only 1% of their incomes in federal income taxes.
When wage inflation occurs big time everyone will be moved to the top bracket and AMT will kick in. The bracket will move back up to 70%.
Welcome to serfdom. Thank you Congress for voting against public opinion.
From today’s LA Times:
News this morning that legal opposition is congealing around two major areas of concern: the nationwide individual requirement to force every American to buy health insurance and the exemption of several states from some requirements. (Hello, Nebraska, which got a special Medicaid subsidy deal from Reid for Sen. Ben Nelson’s vote worth an estimated $100 million in coming years.)
“This thing may be stillborn even if it passes,” said one attorney involved in preparing a legal challenge.
posted the link, it got gobbled
Oh please,
Like this hasn’t been going on since the republic started. I don’t like it either.
Yes it’s gone on before. But never to anywhere near this extent, and never nearly this blatant. It’s shocking to me not so much that the bill passed, but how the proponents of this bill are admitting in public how their votes were bought with bribes. It shows just how far gone we really are.
As a result we just passed the largest non-emergency spending bill in history, by far, against a backdrop of the highest level of government debt in history, by far, save for WWII.
the nationwide individual requirement to force every American to buy health insurance
Our republic is dying….this is crazy…
Step:
why not raise the minimum wage $1 hr and then deduct $1hr for health insurance?
Then graduate it up $15hour $1.50 $20hr $2 30 $3Hr
everyone pays who works….so now guvmint and business has an big huge incentive to put people to work.. instead of offering insurance or medicaid
What really drove me crazy was the Politicians patting themselves on the back for their Health Care Reform Bill . I haven’t looked at the highlights of the Bill yet ,but I’m not very hopeful that they addressed the real problems .
I guess I have lived in times in America where costs for everything was more balanced . Just like when real estate skyrocketed in value to the point nobody could afford a house
,so health costs seems to be going along that same trend .
And really if you look at the root of any of the evils you find that its involves monopolies . Why does the AMA limit the amount of Doctors ? Why do the private insurance Companies
get the monopolies they have profited from ? This isn’t capitalism and either is competition with slave labor countries because that becomes a monopoly . Monopolies have always been the natural byproduct of pure capitalism and in this Country we use to bust monopolies ,but now the Politicians give them favorable treatment .
The Politicians aren’t looking at history for lessons that have already been learned . I know every timespan is different and calls for different solutions ,but some problems never change and their solutions never change .
Another excellent post, Wiz.
Hope you have a good Christmas (as good as it can be), and that 2010 will be better for you. Take good care of yourself, Wiz!
I’ll make this quick, but after 6 ( ! ) hearings and endless delays and prevarications and accusations by the former owner/attorney, (she accused my husband of getting a key from the tenant’s association and she accused the judge of an ex parte conference and wanted him to recuse himself from the case because she had voted for him at this last hearing), we finally were able to enter the office at 4:30 p.m. two days ago. Yikes ! Cats had been living in it, it was piled quite high with junk and filth, and it was quite depressing. ( She had gotten her legal files out prior to our entering, as verified by our attorney and the officer of the court.) However, our attorney and the officer of the court who had to be with us in case she made trouble ( she didn’t ) said they’d seen worse, and our atty. said it was a very nice size. We had a take-away company come and clear all of the trash out ( no legal documents were left whatsoever as our atty. had verified ), and strip all of the old carpeting out with cat stains on it…once that was done, and we got the locks changed, it began to look better. It was roomier than I had thought. Right now, we’re trying to decide whether to put down tile for a medical office, or go with parquet for a legal/accounting office. Any advice from the blog members ? We’re going to have all of the old wallpaper stripped ( she wrote all over parts of it with black magic marker ) and the walls painted an off-white. There is a short in the electrical and the plumbing has to be straightened out, plus I think the sump pump has to be replaced, but actually she left the bones of the office in good shape. I hope that this will be an end to the harassment. I hope she gets some help, actually. So, altogether, it turned out pretty well considering.
I hope she gets some help, actually.
hmmm…wonder what Freud would say about her behavior
Thanks for the update. Your description of the office as found paints a picture of a person with serious issues.
Congratulations. Silverback. Glad that it all seems to have worked out and glad that you don’t have to deal with the proper disposition of her legal files.
As for the type of space you should get it ready for, check out what else is in the area. And see if you can advertise it with a “you choose” option on the modifications. Then the new tennants can tell you what they want. And if you get 12 doc offices inquiring about the space and no lawyers (or vice versa) you will at least get an idea of who wants offices in that area. Maybe they can even tell you what sort of floors, walls, etc they would like to see. Free design advice!
As for the type of space you should get it ready for, check out what else is in the area. And see if you can advertise it with a “you choose” option on the modifications. Then the new tennants can tell you what they want. And if you get 12 doc offices inquiring about the space and no lawyers (or vice versa) you will at least get an idea of who wants offices in that area. Maybe they can even tell you what sort of floors, walls, etc they would like to see. Free design advice!
I second this.
Glad to hear everything is being resolved, silverback. That must be a big relief for you and your husband.
Off-white paint is the best. Then anyone can paint over it any color they want (like light blue for doctors). For flooring, this is one example where I would suggest Pergo. It’s clean like tile but has the classic “look” of hardwood. They have something like a hundred patterns; not sure if they carry a parquet pattern.
Thank you everyone. Yes, I do have some pity for her, although it was very, very expensive and challenging for us, but you can’t help her, because if you try to do her any favors, such as offering to move her stuff out ( our attorney offered to do that at his own expense ), she either wants huge amounts of money ( she wanted $3K to move it out, and $2K to store it ), or she turns around and sues ya. It’s pretty pitiful, really, although it’s been 12 years of hell for us.
Never thought I’d say this, but kudos to Barney Frank and Paul Kanjorski for what appears to be some good reform regarding the ratings agencies. Their oligarchy, as empowered and enforced by the SEC, played a major role in the housing bubble of course.
Unfortunately it’s locking the barn door after the horse has escaped, however appears to be a good change nonetheless.
Did anybody read Grizzley’s post yesterday about his own healthcare situation? As one who hasn’t been to the doctor in 18 years (i’m 44), it really struck a cord with me. (To summarize he takes care of himself, but without health insurance, is at the mercy of the wellness gods)
Joe the lawyer had some sparkling advice for expensive medical bills-ignore them until they go into collection, then offer 25 % of the bill.
I have another technique and I’m two for two with it. as usual all comments welcome!
Situation: you are billed some astronomical sum for medical care, what to do?
First: send a letter indicating all the things you think are wrong with the bill, i.e. it’s unconscionable, the charges are no where near commensurate with the services received.
Second, when you get the next invoice send it back in with a check for $ xx (name your figure, $10 worked for me), but print on the back the following restrictive Indorsement:
FOR ACCOUNT #xxxx, indorsement hereon by indorser hereby satisfies all claims and demands by indorser against (your name) or his spouse for goods or services provided by indorser or any other party to (your name) from xx/xx/2009 to xx/xx/2009. Indorser hereby waives all claims and discharges (your name) and his spouse of all claims indorser may have against (your name) or her spouse.
the upshot is that the indorsement moves the discussion from whether or not services were rendered to whether or not the hospital accepted or did not accept the offered settlement. I don’t send an acccompanying letter along telling the billing department that the check is in fact an offer to settle. If you don’t lose the cancelled check, it’s pretty conclusive that they accepted your offer. They just process it like the knobs that they are. Voila!! That ugly indebtedness is wiped away.
Of course , should they attempt to collect or tarnish your credit history they can be sued for harassment or libel.
It only works for “disputed” money owed, so it doesn’t work for electric bills. But we know how hospitals pad their bills. Make sure yo save the check and that embellished first letter disputing the charges. I taped the check to a piece of paper and ran it through the printer, using large font for the ACCOUNT NUMBER and tiny font for the rest.
Enjoy the Equinox!
did it work for you?
I’m two for two with it (as mentioned in post)
Real question is whether it has ever worked for the same health care provider more than once - ie, did the hospital put a black ball on your SS number so they won’t do anything for you without payment in advance unless you are literally bleeding out on their floor?
Well technically it’s a Solstice, but oh well…
There are a few people here whose philosophy seems to be that if someone becomes sick, it’s their own fault: they didn’t eat right, exercise, or they’re too lazy, don’t wash their hands enough etc. Please can we put that to rest. Yes, there are many preventable adverse behaviors (smoking comes to mind, I believe obesity is more of an ag problem), but it’s not 100% prevention.
Jack LaLanne’s father died of heart disease in his 50s. Jack LaLanne is 95 years old and works out two hours a day, eats ten servings of vegetables per day, eats fish at night and drinks red wine.
Yes it’ mostly preventable. Even so-called hereditary stuff. I don’t accept socialist bull.
You’re going to prove the entirety of medical science, call it “socialist bull”, and dismiss it with one anecdote? OK, what about Jim Fixx, another serious exercise guru who dropped dead early on. Or Sergey Grinkov, the Russian ice skater who dropped dead at 28? Maybe he didn’t exercise enough?
And how does eating right prevent a broken leg or an infection?
The constitution does not say that government is responsible to fix your boo boos. Maybe France’s constitution has that clause. They are a bunch of wussies.
I’ve personally known far too many cases that prove your theory 100% wrong, Bill.
You’ve been **lucky** so far. Don’t keep tempting fate.
That plan MAY work in some states, but as with anything, do some research to determine how your state treats “paid in full” checks tendered in a disputed debt case. Indiana for example has a statute that allows a creditor to rescind acceptance of a check endorsed as “paid in full” within 30 days of receipt if it decides to pursue the debt further.
The restrictive endorsement comes from the U.C.C. (Uniform Commercial Code) which some states have adopted in its entirety. Even in a place like Indiana, it seems worth a try, given that the billing knobs might let it slip through he cracks.
Merry Solstice
But we know how hospitals pad their bills.
Too simplistic. We should also know hospitals pad bills of paying clients to pay for the tremendous amount of “free” care given out in the E.R. to the uninsured or uninsurable not covered by the government.
There’s nothing wrong with a government health option, but too many people think it should be “free”, and there is no free lunch. Countries that have “free” health care have much higher tax rates than we do, and subsidize the costs of medical practice (from subsidizing medical schools to enjoining ambulance chasers).
There is no constitutional right to health care, food, clothing, education, or (apropos to mention here) housing. When provided by govt they become entitlement programs…which are fine, as long as they are (adequately) funded by the society that owns them. Compromises must be made.
The only constitutional “right” to public assistance I can think of is to legal representation (Sixth Amendment).
I’m not asking for “free” anything. Just not to get screwed. I assume they are charging jacked up fees because they know that they will only be paid a fraction of them.
Actually, JDinCT, in my opinion, you’re screwing the providers/facilities that rendered you decent goods and services ( medical treatment and supplies ) which you requested. I believe that If I order something, have someone perform work for me, etc., the bill should be paid. If I can’t pay it immediately, God forbid, I pay it as soon as I can. To me, ripping off your doctor for treating you is just thievery.
NSO,
I don’t they they are taxed that much higher than we are. Perhaps we need to do more research here, but one of my cousins who worked for the Austrian govt gave us a breakdown of their taxes and what they got in return. There was no comparison. They received far more than we did for only slightly higher taxes.
Comparing Austria to the US is like apples and oranges. Austria doesn’t have to fund a worldwide military force, two hopeless wars, they have much lower unemployment, etc. Personal income taxes may not be substantially higher, but they do have a high V.A.T. and capital gains taxes.
Honestly, if we didn’t invade Iraq and didn’t cut capital gains taxes in 2001 and 2003, we would have at least $1 Trillion dollars more in the Treasury than we do now. Austria/Europe, Japan, Israel, China and most other nations in general are benefiting immensely from a peacetime economy.
I have no problem with higher cap gains taxes…and 100% of my personal income is investment income. There’s no reason people like me should pay less than someone who is out there really **working** every day.
I know brokers have talked up stocks they were trying to unload from their “book” for years, but I think there is something especially sinister about forming CDOs and marketing them to any sucker with money to invest and then making bets that the CDOs will default by buying credit default swaps.
Am I just naive, or will this be the start of criminal action against Goldman et al?
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/24/business/24trading.html?_r=1&hp
I hope so, mariner. The culture is slowly starting to change. Yesterday morning I was listening to CNBC, and one of the regular guys who is a gung ho free market capitalist stated that wall street executives are grossly overpaid. Yay!
From your lips to God’s ears, REhobbyist, but I do agree with you. I am seeing little slivers of light here and there, showing people are waking up. GS and other Wall Street firms are lowest of the low, parasites on the productive folks. They should have been let fail.
And their threats to relocate to other countries are empty, and make me LMAO. Where are they gonna go? Europe? Sure, like the tax system is better there for them. NOT! Yeah, let ‘em go to China or Singapore or some third world hole where they’ll have to live wondering if their private security forces will betray them. Let ‘em pay bribes from now until doomsday just to live.
Amen, palmy!
“… but I think there is something especially sininster about forming CDOs and marketing them to any sucker with money to invest …”
These “suckers” were some of the best and the brightest that were ever churned out of our business schools.
Before the financial crisis, many investors — large American and European banks, pension funds, insurance companies and even some hedge funds — failed to recognize that overextended borrowers would default on their mortgages, and they kept increasing their investments in mortgage-related securities. As the mortgage market collapsed, they suffered steep losses.
GS saw it?
FED saw it, why did they bring in BB and the press repeatedly blasted the praise that BB was a scholar of the great depression?
Why did they change bankruptcy law?
Why did Mozillo sell all his shares?
My guess is many who they claim failed to recognize the problem actually did recognize it but didn’t care. Privatize the gains socialize the losses. They got paid on what they produced each month. They may also have been bribed. We know that Larry Summers made millions giving lectures to Wall Street after sticking Harvard with a pile of this crap.
Again, I’d like to see the investment portfolio’s of these people they claim didn’t see it coming.
Measton, well said. Couldn’t agree with you more.
“I’d like to see the investment portfolio’s of these people they claim didn’t see it coming.” Privatize the gains and socialize the losses. I guess socialism is okay if it applies to Wall Street.
Never forget, they knew.
If people here knew, then they knew. The difference is that they were making billions. To big to fail and nothing to lose is not a good incentive for prevention.
Exactly. They knew. If housewives, teachers, doctors, cops, mechanics, plumbers, etc. on this blog knew, then certainly the very people who created the policies that led to this disaster knew. Mr. Greenspan was denying it for so long because people were trying to warn him. He was providing cover for those who were making all the money, IMHO.
And all through the mall there arose quite a chatter
They ran from the stores to see what was the matter
Cause over by Santa a picture was snapped
A good lookin lady jumped off of his lap
The children in line sceamed out Mom can you see!
The parents all said that`s just his Christmas tree
The manager yelled at the guard and the elf
Get Santa a present to cover himself
The mothers all blushed and their faces turned red
As visions of Santa now danced through their heads
Santa just smiled cause the doctor was right
The Viagra he gave him would be working all night
He told Donner and Blitzen I`m feelin so good
It`s been two-hundred years since I`ve had Christmas wood
And as Santa walked out on that cold winters day
That good lookin lady got into his sleigh
It`s a good thing that old Mrs. Claus never knew
What that lady and Santa were going to do
But that good lookin lady saved Christmas they say
Cause you can`t get down the chimney with your d##k that way.
Ho Ho Ho
Merry Christmas
That’s disgusting. Is nothing sacred?
jeff,
You got me and my mom to laugh.
Merry Christmas to you and your family.
Okay, now that’s really cute. As visions of Santa’s %#@!$ dance in my head….well, never mind.
dork?
My lazy American students
By Kara Miller
December 21, 2009
Boston.com
IT WAS the kind of student conference I hate.
“I’ll do better,’’ my student told me, leaning forward in his chair. “I know I’ve gotten behind this semester, but I’m going to turn things around. Would it be OK if I finished all my uncompleted work by Monday?’’
I sat silent for a moment. “Yes. But it’s important that you catch up completely this weekend, so that you’re not just perpetually behind.’’
A few weeks later, I would conduct a nearly identical conversation with two other students. And, again, there would be no tangible result: No make-up papers. No change in effort. No improvement in time management.
By the time students are in college, habits can be tough to change. If you’re used to playing video games like “Modern Warfare’’ or “Halo’’ all night, how do you fit in four hours of homework? Or rest up for class?
Teaching in college, especially one with a large international student population, has given me a stark - and unwelcome - illustration of how Americans’ work ethic often pales in comparison with their peers from overseas.
My “C,’’ “D,’’ and “F’’ students this semester are almost exclusively American, while my students from India, China, and Latin America have - despite language barriers - generally written solid papers, excelled on exams, and become valuable class participants.
One girl from Shanghai became a fixture at office hours, embraced our college writing center, and incessantly e-mailed me questions about her evolving papers. Her English is still mediocre: she frequently puts “the’’ everywhere (as in “the leader supported the feminism and the environmentalism’’) and confuses “his’’ and “her.’’ But that didn’t stop her from doing rewrite after rewrite, tirelessly trying to improve both structure and grammar.
Chinese undergraduates have consistently impressed me with their work ethic, though I have seen similar habits in students from India, Thailand, Brazil, and Venezuela. Often, they’ve done little English-language writing in their home countries, and they frequently struggle to understand my lectures. But their respect for professors - and for knowledge itself - is palpable. The students listen intently to everything I say, whether in class or during office hours, and try to engage in the conversation.
Too many 18-year-old Americans, meanwhile, text one another under their desks (certain they are sly enough to go unnoticed), check e-mail, decline to take notes, and appear tired and disengaged.
Of course, it would be wrong to suggest that all American students are the same. I’ve taught many who were hardworking, talented, and deeply impressive. They listened intently, enriched class discussions, and never shied away from rewrites. At their best, American students marry knowledge and innovation, resulting in some astoundingly creative work.
But creativity without knowledge - a common phenomenon - is just not enough.
Too many American students simply lack the basics. In 2002, a National Geographic-Roper survey found that most 18- to 24-year-olds could not find Afghanistan, Iraq, or Japan on a map, ranking them behind counterparts in Sweden, Great Britain, Canada, Italy, Japan, France, and Germany. And in 2007 the American Institutes for Research reported that eighth graders in even our best-performing states - like Massachusetts - scored below peers in Singapore, South Korea, and Japan, while students in our worst-performing states - like Mississippi - were on par with eighth graders in Slovakia, Romania, and Russia.
We’ve got a knowledge gap, spurred by a work-ethic gap.
Which brings me to another grade-challenged student, who once sprinted across campus to talk to me.
“I’m really sorry I missed office hours,’’ he said. “Do you have time to talk?’’
“I have a meeting in a couple of minutes,’’ I said. “But you can walk with me.’’
“OK,’’ he said. “I really enjoy your class, and I think I can do better. How can I improve my grade?’’
I looked at him sideways. “Well, you might start with staying awake.’’
“Yeah,’’ he grinned, looking at his shoes. “Sorry about that. There’s always stuff going on in my dorm late at night. I have to learn to be better about time management.’’
Of course, he had it exactly right. Success is all about time management, and in a globalizing economy, Americans’ inability to stay focused and work hard could prove to be a serious problem.
Nowhere, sadly, is this clearer than in the classroom.
Kara Miller teaches rhetoric and history at Babson College.
Kara does know that a lot of the smart, motivated US students don’t end up at Babson, doesn’t she? And that you have to be a spectacular student to even have a chance of getting to high school in some of the countries she cited, nevermind get permission to go to college abroad?
(as in “the leader supported the feminism and the environmentalism’’)
Nice example.
$40,000 a year to learn this liberal crap and be $160,000 in debt without a job at graduation? The American students are at least smart enough to have some fun in those 4 years!
Too bad the example was not a calculus problem or a dynamics problem…
Or you can hand over your cash to some 3rd rate “university” with fraudulent accreditation like Liberty U and graduate with a completely empty skull.
How bout them Bob Jones Grads….. they are a real intellectual bunch….. NOT.
The projectile when launched at the speed of 11.2 kilometers per the second will escape the orbit of the earth never to return.
The e when raised to the power of the i times the pi, plus the one equals the zero.
She had a follow on opinion piece yesterday where she defended herself (and ignored the “self-selection” mechanism of the international students that make it Babson).
In the follow-up she mentioned that American students score less than overseas peers in math, science, and geography.
Of course, “Kara Miller teaches rhetoric and history at Babson College.”
[Babson is a high-priced college in the Boston Metro area that specializes in teaching business…eg, how to take the vig out of manufacturing, science, and engineering).
“Babson is a high-priced college in the Boston Metro area that specializes in teaching business…eg, how to take the vig out of manufacturing, science, and engineering”
Testify, Brothah Chile! I’m familiar with Babson and you nailed it.
I tought math at NC State. My experience was that on average foreign students were much harder working than Americans.
It might also the effect of a bias. Students that are motivated to go to a foreign country to study are typically people that spend little time screwing around while many of the locals just go to the closest college to practice keg stands and get laid. I bet if you go to India, China, etc. you find just as many numb nuts in school (not university) as here.
Seriously? When? I was there in the late 80’s.
To your point - that makes sense. I’d be curious if someone were to ask about the same subject of a teacher in a Japanese university, about American students there, what they would find.
(though I don’t think there’s nearly as many such people)
“My experience was that on average foreign students were much harder working than Americans.”
When they’re not shooting fellow students.
Our friend worked with Cho on a project at VT. Said they were mad cause the guy wouldn’t do any work for their project.
Merry Christmas to all.
Stpn2me……I’m totally and completely opposed to the wars we are involved in, but I certainly appreciate the fact you are prepared to serve our country at the behest of our elected government.
I sincerely hope you and all your comrades return in full health, both physically and mentally.
Cheers to everyone for a great 2010.
Even Eddie……..anyway, where is he?
Down in the islands with water and the sun, enjoying the booming economy as he has mentioned many times.
I hope the sharks didn’t get him.
Of course they won’t! Professional courtesy! (couldn’t pass that one up)
Eddie bailed and went back to pimping homes.
“Even Eddie……..anyway, where is he?”
On his a gold-plated yacht, or so I hope.
SpecialEd’s mom and dad took him on vacation. They’re quite generous to their retarded son.
Maybe it’s that same guy from South Florida who was always talking about moving to Oil City, PA and getting rich off of vending machines.
Thanks Englishman…
Housing Crash Leads to a Falloff in Divorces
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126126644360798923.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
“Shadow inventory” of divorces?
Maybe this is a good thing in that it forces couples to at least try to work things out rather than just throw in the towel.
Staying with someone only because of money will only lead to more infidelity or anomisity. If you are going to leave, then leave, being with someone who you dont love sucks, it’s much better without the drama in your life. I just passed 17 years of marriage a couple of days ago. It hasnt been easy, but it does get better. We have went to counseling a few times, and it does wonders and I recommend it highly, even for those marriages that arent in trouble.
“Staying with somebody only because of money will only lead to more infidelity or anomisity.”
I’m not thinking of just the money issue, I’m thinking of the vow of “for better or for worse”. People seem to drift in to and out of marriages at the slightest whim, as if doing so is of no importance.
I think most people jump into marriage and divorce to quickly.
I think if you’ve got kids, you have a duty to work on things or at least be civil to one another. The kids are the ones that suffer in a divorce. What’s wrong with making an arrangement to share a household and to have separate bedrooms ? Is having a costly and nasty divorce better? So, you find a way to live with one another till the kids are young adults. You’d be teaching your kids by EXAMPLE, after all you did take an “Oath” to one another. So, why not honor that “oath” for the sake of the kids? Well, until they’re young adults anyway. And who knows, maybe, just maybe, you’ll fall back in love. It’s possible.
My parents (late) were married in 1951. In those days everyone pretty much had the same values and stance on religion. Music even, was less generational than today.
More important, jobs were long term. Careers lasted 40 years with a pension and a gold watch. Most men were confident they could be stable providers and be able to buy a house for wife and kids and stay in the house after the kids grow up.
Now with the middle class squeeze, both parents commonly work, no one is home when the children come home from school, commutes are longer, careers are much shorter. Only the largest cities have recently been lucrative for careers. I know of people commuting 60 miles each way to where I work in Los Angles.
We are entering a further squeeze on the middle class. With more socialist agenda in the pipeline (35 hour work weeks? $20 minimum wage? Eight week vacations mandatory) to become like Europe, the official unemployment rate is probably never going to go back down below 7%. The real unemployment rate will remain double digit.
This will make marriages more unaffordable, particularly with people considering the expense of divorce/alimony and common property laws. More and more people are vowing to never get married.
“Shadow inventory” of divorces?
Pent-up disband.
Rampant deflation ahead (at least for males).
But couldn’t the deflationary trend reverse itself if the shadow inventory of eligible divorcees eventually comes on to the market?
Groucho : ‘You can have any kind of a home you want. You can even get stucco. Oh, how you can get stucco.”
Housing crisis cuts U.S. mobility
By Dennis Cauchon and Paul Overberg, USA TODAY
The numbers of Americans moving to new states fell sharply this year, a casualty of the collapse in housing prices and the severe recession.
The Census Bureau reported Wednesday that fewer Americans moved this year than during any other time this decade.
“People are trapped,” says Yi Zhao, a Washington state demographer. “They can’t sell their house or they have a hard time getting credit for a new one.”
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Visions of monikers past dancing in your head this holiday season, PB?
“People are trapped,” says Yi Zhao, a Washington state demographer. “They can’t sell their house or they have a hard time getting credit for a new one.”
This is only good news for traveling consultants who rent. It means more firms will be willing to get outside temporary help from contractors.
Today my NW on my Excel Spreadsheet passed the 7 digit number. I was close to that in the summer of 2008 but did not track it officially like I do now. This is from nearly a decade of being flexible enough to live anywhere coast to coast where the highest hourly rate and hours of overtime are.
So a toast to productivity!
Bobcat Closing in Bismarck
12/24/2009
While many of us have the holiday off from work, nearly 500 Bobcat employees are leaving their jobs for good today. The West Fargo based company is shutting down manufacturing in Bismarck today after decades of operation.
For a final time, 475 employees will exit this building today. Many of which have worked years, or decades, in the plant constructing skid steer loaders, but also making friendships.
Shortly before the sun rose on the Bismarck Bobcat plant, for the final time on Wednesday, workers made their last entrance into a plant that many have dedicated their lives to.
“Started here back in the 70s. It ain`t a bad life, but everything comes to an end sooner or later,” said Roger Remmick, longtime Bobcat employee.
Among them 58-year-old Remmick, a painter of Bobcat equipment since his early 20s, said he felt like he was entering a wake rather than beginning his shift. “Nobody really wants to be here, but it`s the last day, might as well take it and say goodbye to your friends. I`ve met guys who work here and I`ve met their kids. Their kids even work here.”
Benson’s Economic & Market Trends
Jingle Mail, Jingle Mail~ Richard Benson Dec 24, 2009
Jingle All The Way;
Oh what fun it is today,
To just walk away!
Jingle Mail (also known as strategic mortgage default) is the happy-sounding phrase used by banks and mortgage servicers to describe homeowners who simply walk away from their homes and mail the keys back to the bank. The banker can hear the keys jingling in the envelope from a distance so even before it’s opened, he knows that for this loan the jig is up. Jingle Mail appears to be the new fad of giving over this holiday season, and next year many more of our neighbors will be seen mailing back keys. For a high percentage of the ten million homeowners with material negative equity, thought will turn to action even if they can afford to make the mortgage payment, because Jingle Mail can put a lot of money in their pockets!
Why are homeowners willing to walk away even if they can afford it? First, the government’s program for mortgage loan modification is an abject failure. To date, only a small percentage of home loans have been put on trial modification and of those that actually go to final modification, a very high percentage re-default and foreclose anyway. This program is not working because neither the Obama Administration or the banks or Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, are willing to face cutting the principal owed on the mortgage balance to a realistic number. Second, Jingle Mail can be very profitable!
Here’s why Jingle Mail makes so much more sense than continuing to pay an inflated mortgage. Think about your average high-end homeowner. Let’s call him Joe. A few years ago, Joe listened to Alan Greenspan and took a huge amount of money out of his house with an adjustable rate or option ARM mortgage. If he bought that house for $900,000 with an option ARM mortgage of $850,000, since most of his interest has been accrued, his mortgage balance has now risen to $1,000,000, while his house has fallen in value to $600,000, leaving it worth $400,000 less than his mortgage balance. Ouch! His situation is crystal clear: He can pay forever, and never own the house!
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/benson/benson122409.html
Why are homeowners willing to walk away even if they can afford it? First, the government’s program for mortgage loan modification is an abject failure. To date, only a small percentage of home loans have been put on trial modification and of those that actually go to final modification, a very high percentage re-default and foreclose anyway. This program is not working because neither the Obama Administration or the banks or Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, are willing to face cutting the principal owed on the mortgage balance to a realistic number. Second, Jingle Mail can be very profitable!
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Wrong.
These debtors are willing to walk away because they have **no skin in the game.** They never had to put any earned money down, and they have absolutely nothing to lose. Low/no-down mortgages are simply FREE call options on housing. Why wouldn’t anyone sign up? It’s a guaranteed win!
Additionally, when qualification standards were lowered, the lenders were willingly making loans to **known deadbeats** who were statistically likely to default. Mix this with a high DTI ratio (over 30% of net income), and you are almost 100% guaranteed to see a default when prices drop.
BTW, exactly why do these parasites think they are owed a principal reduction or any other modification? And why do they think it’s the taxpayers’ job to bail them out of their obviously foolish and risky financial gambles?
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/steo/pub/gifs/Fig15.gif
Economic recovery???
What are they basing that projection on, I wonder?
future energy prices are being forecast by the energy (natural gas, etc) stocks. I sold 1100 out of my 1200 shares of PGH in September and put it in a Houston-based trust, which was a good case of dumb luck for me. PGH has been floundering while the new stock has risen 27% since late September.
Nice to be dumb and lucky. Yield is 10%.
Prediction for next year: Next year’s expiration dates of housing market stimulus programs will be greeted with surprise announcements that they will be renewed, similar to the extension of Dough-4-Dumps beyond November 30, 2009. The strength of the recovery crucially depends on keeping these programs in place indefinitely.
* The Wall Street Journal
* DECEMBER 24, 2009
New-Home Sales Drop 11.3% As Impact of Stimulus Fades
BY KELLY EVANS
The U.S. economy is showing more signs of recovery, but new data on housing and household income underscored concerns that the economy could lose momentum next year as the impact of government stimulus fades.
Sales of newly built homes fell 11.3% in November to a seven-month low, the Commerce Department reported, as the government’s tax credit for first-time buyers was originally set to expire. “The housing rebound has so far been largely supported by government programs, raising questions of sustainability as these programs come to an end next year,” said BNP Paribas economist Anna Piretti.
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But the Law of Diminishing Return eventually applies and they are gonna have to increase the dosage to keep the patient permanently inflated.
That’s right — they are going to keep whipping this dead horse until it is convincingly dead.
I have no doubt it will be extended. For six months at a time. Just like the debt ceiling, the AMT issues, etc. etc.
With the expiration in November I was shocked that it was renewed about four weeks before it was due to end; I would have thought the REIC would have preferred a list minute, midnight style deal to milk the cow as much as possible.
(One of my many flaws, I guess, is I assume the REIC is smarter than it actually is…)
¡ɹɐǝʎ ʍǝu ʎɹɹǝɯ ɐ puɐ sɐɯʇsıɹɥɔ ʎddɐɥ
Mr. Bear sums up the economy for the last 10 years…upside & bassackwards…(Hwy starts humming…Oh Christmas tree, Oh CHristmas tree…) Cheers to ALL!
Let’s see… You wrote that in New Zealand?
Mortgages
Dec. 24, 2009, 10:18 a.m. EST
30-year mortgage jumps back over 5%
By Steve Kerch, MarketWatch
CHICAGO (MarketWatch) — Mortgage rates rose for a third straight week as the 30-year loan climbed back above the 5% level for the first time since Oct. 29, Freddie Mac said Thursday.
The mortgage agency’s weekly rate survey showed the national average on the 30-year mortgage at 5.05%, up from 4.94% a week ago but below its year-ago average of 5.14%. The 15-year loan, a popular refinancing choice, also jumped, to 4.45% from 4.38%. A year ago the 15-year loan was at 4.91%.
Adjustable-rate mortgages rose as well, but only slightly. The five-year Treasury-indexed hybrid ARM averaged 4.40%, up from 4.37%. The hybrid was at 5.49% a year ago. One-year Treasury-indexed ARMS averaged 4.38%, up from 4.34%. Last year at this time the ARM was at 4.95%.
To achieve the rates, the 30-year loan required the payment of an average 0.7 point; the other three loans needed 0.6 point. A point is 1% of the loan amount, charged as prepaid interest.
“Although interest rates for 30-year fixed-rate mortgages are above 5% this week for the first time since the end of October, they are still around 0.5 percentage points below this year’s peak set in mid-June,” said Frank Nothaft, Freddie Mac chief economist. “ARM rates increased by a lesser amount as the market consensus calls for no rate hikes by the Federal Reserve in the immediate future.”
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Aloha and Mele Kalekemaka fron the Valley Island.
Wishing everyone a safe and happy Christmas. Wife is on the mainland with mom for Xmas. Just started on my first cup of homegrown. House is quiet and cold. Should get up to 80 today though.
Slept out on the deck last night. Watched falling stars for hours. A friend works for a mediun small window washing company. The are averaging 25 job applications a day. That is about how many workers he has. He could turn his staff over each week if he wanted to.
Maui has always been boom and bust. Welcome to the bust. The last few months have been one large garage sale as people leave the island. In the boom the state gave us brand new highways. They enlarged the airports. And a spiffy new interisland ferry. Well the ferry is done. Roads are wide open. And airport gates remain unused.
This is my third bust. And the biggest. Pattern is always the same. We are just ending the shake off the fleas stage. Up comes the backwater stage. The seeds for the next boom are planted. And this can last a lot longer than you think. I think the next boom will be in alt energy. Right now I pay $.30 kw/hr for power. Gas is close to $4.00.
Tourism is half of what it was. That model is pau, broken, done.
I may be coming to visit your island in a few weeks. I’ll do what I can to “make it rain,” as they say.
Just remember to tip. If you tried to “make it rain” you will cause a riot.
tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIMUS1&f=M
Oil imports don’t seem to be rising with economy?? I don’t understand why it takes them 3 months to release this kind of info.
Oil imports actually aren’t necessarily driven by economic growth, only oil usage is.
E.g. during the 2000’s - importing actually flattened, after rapid growth in the late 80’s and thru the 90’s.
chart
But given we import 60% or so
and given US production is at best fairly flat
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS1&f=M
The bond market has caught a whiff of recovery and budding inflation pressures. Next year the Fed will have to reveal whether it is serious about keeping the lid on inflation as the jobs recovery gathers steam.
Bond Report
Dec. 24, 2009, 11:36 a.m. EST
Treasurys slip after jobless claims, durable-goods orders
By Deborah Levine, MarketWatch
NEW YORK (Marketwatch) — Treasury prices declined on Thursday, pushing 10-year yields to four-month highs, after a pair of government reports showed jobless claims fell and a measure of durable-goods orders increased.
The data added to evidence of economic growth and deterred interest in U.S. debt during the holiday-thinned trading session.
Yields on 10-year notes (UST10Y 3.78, +0.03, +0.80%) rose 2 basis points to 3.78%, the loftiest seen since August. A basis point is 0.01% and yields move inversely to prices.
Yields on 2-year notes (UST2YR 0.95, +0.03, +3.70%) also increased, up 2 basis points to 0.94%, after having touched the highest on a closing basis since late October.
The Labor Department said first-time jobless claims in the latest week fell by 28,000 to 452,000, lower than expected by economists surveyed by MarketWatch. See more on jobless claims.
Separately, the Commerce Department said orders for durable goods, excluding volatile transportation orders, rose 2% last month. See more on durable-goods orders.
The claims and goods orders data “both smacked of an improved tone and helped maintain the pressure on bond prices,” Andrew Wilkinson, senior market analyst at Interactive Brokers, wrote in an email.
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5) OECD Oil Consumption - Oil consumption in OECD countries increased by 413,000 b/d from June to July and decreased by 359,000 b/d from July to August, resulting in a consumption level of 43.46 million b/d in August. Average OECD oil consumption in 2009 through August was 43.83 million b/d, versus 46.10 and 47.68 million b/d in 2008 and 2007 respectively.
6) Chinese & Indian liquids demand - Oil consumption in China increased by 205,000 b/d from June to July and decreased by 115,000 b/d from July to August, resulting in a consumption level of 9.28 million b/d in August 2009. Average oil consumption in China in 2009 through August was 7.84 million b/d, versus 6.92 and 7.29 million b/d in respectively 2008 and 2007. Oil consumption in India decreased by 274,000 b/d from June to July and 52,000 b/d from July to August, resulting in a consumption level of 2.64 million b/d in August 2009. Average oil consumption in India in 2009 up to August was 2.86 million b/d, versus 2.60 and 2.43 million b/d in 2008 and 2007 respectively.
The Fed’s efforts to flatten risk premiums like pancakes appear to be working very, very well. Party on like it’s 1999, bulls!!!
The Financial Times
On Wall Street: A tonic that works too well
By Henny Sender
Published: December 23 2009 15:44 | Last updated: December 23 2009 15:44
Easy money in the form of zero interest rates is working its magic, reflating prices of financial assets in markets around the globe. In response, investors desperate for yield are plunging into riskier assets.
A few months ago, JPMorgan’s weekly Global Data Watch was advising readers to plough into the recovery trade, and then into the reflation trade. Now it is counseling them to “go for yield.”
“Investors should look for high beta and more distressed sectors to outperform,” it noted in mid-December. Those sectors include “high yield, collateralised loan obligations, AAA subprime securities and commercial mortgage backed securities.”
Is this Christmas 2009 or 2007? CLOs – vehicles that invest in bundles of bank loans – were supposed to have disappeared. And wasn’t it writing insurance on subprime securities that blew up AIG?
As asset prices recover, the question being asked is whether zero interest rate policies, especially in the US, are working too well, and are no longer reflecting more sober economic realities.
Yields in the junk bond market have fallen from 20 per cent to 9 per cent. This year, returns in the market overall were 56 per cent and those in the lower rated CCC group returned twice as much.
On its outlook call for 2010, Morgan Stanley’s analyst, Greg Peters told listeners: “We like the junkiest of the junk for next year.”
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It’s shocking, but not surprising to watch one’s own country commit suicide, but the U.S. Congress is in a panic mode, and, in its confusion, is trying to end the grand political experiment begun 220 years ago.
“The current [medical care] bill does nothing to restrain the forces that are propelling healthcare costs into the stratosphere, namely: regulatory bans of insurance competition, the out-of-control medical malpractice industry, federal programs and subsidies, and a tax code that favors a third-party payment system – which alienates the patient from the cost of his care.” Multi-trillion dollar monstrosity.
The paragraph above is taken from an excellent brief summary of the consequences facing the people of the United States as their supposed leaders in Washington fall all over themselves to push through a frighteningly expensive socialized medical care bill.
The paragraph below applies absolutely to the present controversy although it was written 15 years ago.
“A mandate requiring all individuals to purchase health insurance would be an unprecedented form of federal action. The government has never required people to buy any good or service as a condition of lawful residence in the United States. An individual mandate would have two features that, in combination, would make it unique. First, it would impose a duty on individuals as members of society. Second, it would require people to purchase a specific service that would be heavily regulated by the federal government.” It’s Not Constitutional!!!
This will be reversed within ten years when it becomes obvious the expenses will go way up. The pendulum will swing to small government.
In the meantime, enjoy zero interest rates and subsidies to home buyers to keep propping up overinflated POS stucco boxes.
Precious metals bullion and the stock market are the best beneficiaries of Bernanke’s Obama’s, and Geithner’s policies
Until the music stops. The music stops when the voters get rid of socialists in Congress and the new group dismantles the damage done by Reid/Pelosi/Frank/Dodd/Shumer, et al.
Just spoke with a local jeweler that I know. He said up until the last 2 days business was very slow. As of this afternoon he will have set a record for his stores Christmas sales. In over 30 years he said he has never seen anything like it, he is as happy as a clam.
Never underestimate the great American consumer! That’s what they do and no one does it better!
Just spoke with our UPS driver, asked if they were as busy as the last few years. He said no, not even close, so what the hell is going on? I read an article a few days ago that stated internet sales were smoking hot, busiest ever.
It is a fact that even the unemployed & homeless find a way to spend money at Christmas time. This holiday has been completely commercialized over the decades and people feel a ‘duty’ to shop and spend.
If you’re anywhere near the Northeast, much of that could be explained by the snow. Lots of small businesses missed out on what would have been huge weekend sales due to last weekend’s blizzard.
Arrow Trucking shuts down, thousands of truck drivers stranded
By KGNS News
Reports say Arrow Trucking based in Tulsa, Oklahoma unexpectedly shut down, leaving around 1,400 drivers without a job.
Arrow trucking has a station in Laredo. No trucks, no personnel, nothing, just an empty space.
Just three days before Christmas, Arrow Trucking told their drivers where to leave their trucks in the nearest arrow station without any answers.
Drivers were confused not knowing what just happened.
Holy crap. Wow.
That stinks.
Jailhouse docs choose inmates over insurance.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — More doctors are dropping their private practices, choosing to go to work behind bars treating murderers, rapists and other hardened criminals.
Better pay, better hours, retirement benefits and free malpractice insurance are just a few of the reasons why physicians are picking prisoners over civilian patients.
Dr. Kurt Johnson, now a full-time physician to inmates after closing his solo practice this year, says he’s earning more, working less and spending more time with his family.
In 2009, private contractor Prison Health Services (PHS) saw a 77% increase over 2008 in the number of respondents applying for job opportunities.
At the University of Massachusetts Medical School, this year 22 of 150 new students chose the correctional health care clerkship as their first choice, more than double the typical response.
“Students are looking for an employer who offers flexible work hours and a steady paycheck. Correctional health care offers both,” said Dr. Michelle Staples-Horne, medical director for the Georgia Department of Juvenile Justice, adding that doctors who have stayed with a government agency long enough also benefit from pension plans.
Typically a salaried job with steady work hours, correctional physicians can earn starting salaries of around $140,000, according to Staples-Horne, roughly the same as the average school loan for graduating med students.
This past week, I pro-offered that we spend a day or two here talking about housing for seniors…specifically how living in a jail could potentially be a very attractive option for many up-and-coming poor and indigent seniors.
Commit a mid-level crime and everything is paid. Shelter, food, security - and now medical. Under that scenario, why not commit a handful of felonies?
I dunno…jailhouse rape?
Yesterday, I had shared the fact that I don’t have health insurance, and that I’ve been suffering from a terrible stomach ache for around a week. CA Renter mentioned starting a charity for me, and I DO NOT want any charity. I WOULD NOT even consider accepting it. There are far more needy individuals than I. The only reason I posted what I did was in response to the discourse, and to highlight my struggles as someone who is uninsured. I will deal with this myself, though I appreciate her thoughtfulness, and especially the kindness of Elanor. Should anyone be wondering if good hearted people still exist, they need only read what these kind women posted as well as a few others.
Also, for insight into the contempt some health care industry insiders have for the plight of the common man with no insurance, read NoSingleOne’s comments.
Sorry I missed your post yesterday and I feel your pain and wish you a speedy recovery.
You mentioned that you don’t want a charity but I am assuming that you will have no problem accepting the help from government, ie, public option and so on. Just curious how do you reconcile these polar opposite views? Public option and plans like that are in a way charities run by Govmint, except the money is collected (stolen) from hard working people without most of them even knowing it.
There’s very little hope for chowderheads like you. You know nothing about me, yet you make blanket assertions and generalizations using straw man arguments. I’ve never fully disclosed my feelings regarding the current health care bill. Yet, you seem to have all the answers about me. Are you a clairvoyant or something? No, you’re not. You’re just a keyboard jockey with a penchant for shoving his foot in his giant mouth. My advice to you is to STFU until you know what you’re talking about. Otherwise, you’ll always be a fool.
Just ignore those types, Grizzly.
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That was a very nice post. Personally, I’m very much in favor of a “socialized” healthcare system precisely because of what you’re going through.
It’s not “charity,” it’s just helping each other out with fund raising. I’ve had the good fortune of having very special people (not related to me, nor did they have any reason to help me) who were there for me during some difficult times in my life. I might not be here if not for their kindness. It’s always good to pass on good fortune and good deeds, IMHO. Please feel free to e-mail me a jo7878 at aol (yes, some of us are still stuck in our old ways using aol…you can stop laughing now ) dot com.
Best of luck to you, Grizzly.
Grizzly, here in Hillsborough County, Florida, there is an excellent county public health service. I don’t know if you have anything like that where you are, but I pay sliding scale as a patient there (according to what I’m making, they review every six months). It’s relatively inexpensive, and I’ve found the treatment, doctors, and the wait time to be far better than what I had under an HMO. Yes, the waiting room is full of illegals and their family members, but why shouldn’t I have the care that they do? County taxes pay for it.
I wouldn’t have known about it until a buddy told me about it. Perhaps you can find something like that in your neck of the woods. Ask around. Call your county commissioners and find out.
Back in the USA, we could swear that we read a headline yesterday telling us that new home sales were rising. Today comes this Bloomberg headline:
“Sales of New Homes Unexpectedly Fell in November.”
That didn’t seem to stop consumers. They spent more! At least, that is what the noise said. Where did they get the money? Incomes apparently went up a little. Spending went up a little more.
And then there is another item on Bloomberg News this morning. A new law will take effect in February. Like every new law, it disrupts the old laws by which people organized their lives. This one decrees that credit card companies shall henceforth cease the practice known as “universal default.”
If a fellow defaults on one credit card, the other credit card companies rightly figure he’s likely to do the same to them. So they take precautions, cutting him off from future credit.
But the authorities want people to spend - apparently, even people who can’t pay their bills. So, they are outlawing the practice of “universal default.”
The term “unintended consequences” was invented for these occasions. As usual, the law produces the exact opposite results from those the politicians wanted. The credit card companies are tightening up on all their accounts, realizing that after the new law goes into effect in February, they will be less able to identify the bad accounts quickly and less able to control their losses.
According to Bloomberg, this threatens $9 billion in holiday season sales.
Blah…blah…blah…noise…noise…noise…
It’s best to shut it out…listen for the sound of reindeer bells…and look for a bright star in the East.
~ Clipped from The Daily Reckoning
Hey what happen to Barry’s bull$hit pay czar on this deal?
Regulator approves millions for Fannie, Freddie execs ~WASHINGTON
Thu Dec 24, 2009
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The top U.S. housing regulator said on Thursday it approved 2009 pay packages of up to $6 million each for the chief executives of government-controlled mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
The approvals were part of a wider decision by the Federal Housing Finance Agency on executive salaries at both firms. FHFA Acting Director Edward DeMarco said, on average, executive pay at the companies had dropped 40 percent from where it stood before the government seized them last year.
In filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, the companies said Fannie Mae CEO Michael Williams and Freddie Mac CEO Charles Haldeman would each receive up to $6 million in total compensation for 2009.
Freddie Mac said the same figure would apply to the Haldeman’s pay package for next year, as well.
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which play a role in funding three-fourths of all U.S. residential mortgages, were seized by the government and put into conservatorship in September 2008 at the peak of the credit crisis.
To continue playing that role in the U.S. mortgage market, Fannie and Freddie must “attract and retain the talent needed to accomplish these objectives,” DeMarco said.
Test
Oh man, you know the end is near when two top ranking lunatic moonbat kooks can no longer get along!
Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins split after 23 years
LOS ANGELES (AP) - One of Hollywood’s most enduring couples has separated.
Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins, partners for 23 years and parents of two sons, split up over the summer, publicist Teal Cannady said in a statement Wednesday. She did not elaborate. They were never married.
Sorry, Virginia …
David Kyle Johnson ~ Va. News
Parents should stop teaching their kids to believe in Santa Claus. Reading stories about Santa is fine, and encouraging generosity and imagination is great. But tricking children into believing that an omniscient fat man, with a red suit and rosy cheeks, will slide down the chimney bestowing presents on Dec. 24 is just flat-out immoral.
First of all, it’s lying. It’s one thing to lie to save someone’s life, but stop kidding yourself. “It’s fun to watch the kids get excited” is hardly a noble cause. Nor is it harmless. I’ve amassed recollections of “finding out the truth about Santa,” and many were stories of genuine embarrassment and resentment. The systematic deception makes children feel taken advantage of or like the butt of a joke.
I stopped believing in Santa Claus the same year I decided I did not like “my” God for his malevolent dictatorship. At age 7.
Just what we need, another blowhard telling other folks how to raise their kids.
Just what we need, another blowhard telling other folks how to raise their kids.
+1
But I wouldnt call the poster a blowhard. In my opinion, people should stay out of other’s kids. There is nothing more sacred in my life than raising my kids as I see fit. I will put my values into them. Regardless of how you see those values. That is the ultimate form of freedom and expression.
JIngle mail. First heard of it in 1955 , when working for State of Cal.
Real estate appraiser told me that in 1933 that people would come into the office and drop off their keys to their house when they owed $750 on the house, but they could buy a better one for $500.
Wasn’t a question of money to pay for loan, but just want to upgrade their living and lower the loan by 33%.
Amazing. We may see the same thing happening!
JackO
Good cheer for all you have survived to another Christmas Eve, time for the rum and noggin, and a hearty Christmas meal tomorrow
May the one above render his blessing on to you, even though you may disbelieve! May the world be good to you and yours, even though you may not deserve it!
May you remember the passed, enjoy those present, and believe in the future.
May you keep your weapons on hand, may your soul be at peace, and may the little problems in the world miss you completely.
Prepare for the worst, and enjoy the world if the worst does not happen!
Contribute what you can to better the world, your country, your state , your city , and you family, no matter how you contribute, contributel
Be not a taker unless you need!
JackO
Merry Christmas to all!
Really. All of you! Be safe and stay warm.
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Merry Christmas everyone. Please take care of yourself
Q. What’s the difference between Santa and Tiger Woods?
A. Santa knows it is best to stop after three ho’s.
Merry Christmas, from the U.S. Treasury to all members of the Real Estate Industrial Complex! Please pass the bubbly, so I can help respike the housing market punch bowl…
* The Wall Street Journal
* DECEMBER 24, 2009, 4:05 P.M. ET
U.S. Uncaps Support for Fannie, Freddie
By JESSICA HOLZER and MICHAEL R. CRITTENDEN
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Treasury said it would provide capital as needed to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac over the next three years, effectively opening its checkbook to the government-controlled companies in a bid to reassure investors in their debt.
Treasury also will end its purchases of the companies’ mortgage-backed securities and terminate a never-used short-term liquidity facility set up for the firms and the Federal Home Loan Banks.
And it moved to allow the companies to shrink their giant portfolios of mortgage securities more slowly, though it said it was still “committed to the principle” of reducing the portfolios.
Treasury announced the moves in a Christmas Eve press release, a week before its authority to change the terms of its agreements with the companies was set to expire. After Dec. 31, Treasury would need the consent of Congress to make such changes.
So far, the government has pumped $60 billion into Fannie Mae and $51 billion into Freddie Mac to keep each company solvent since it seized the firms in September 2008 under a legal authority known as “conservatorship.” The companies, threatened by mounting mortgage defaults, were headed toward collapse.
At the time, the Treasury pledged to inject up to $100 billion of capital apiece as needed into the companies in exchange for preferred stock paying a 10% dividend. The Obama administration earlier this year doubled that commitment to $200 billion.
The new terms announced Thursday would allow the cap on Treasury’s support to increase by the amount of the total net loss the firms experience over the next three years, beginning on Jan. 1. The cap in place at the end of 2012 would apply thereafter.
The changes come as Fannie’s and Freddie’s regulator, the Federal Housing Finance Agency, on Thursday approved multimillion pay packages for the firms’ top executives. The pay announcement and the sweeping increase in the government’s commitment to backstop the companies are certain to stoke anger from the companies’ critics on Capitol Hill.
“The Obama administration’s decision to write a blank check with taxpayer dollars for the continued bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is appalling,” said Rep. Scott Garrett (R., N.J.). He argued the timing of the announcement, on Christmas Eve, was “designed to try and sneak the bailout by the taxpayers.”
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Merry Christmas to Ben and all the wonderful HBBers!
For those who have been here since the beginning, this is our **5th** Chrismas together! This bubble is going to take a long, long time before it’s resolved.
Merry Christmas, New Year’s Blessings, and good luck and good health to you all. And thanks for a profound post, JackO.