December 28, 2009

It Started And Ended With A Bursting Bubble

The Post Cresent reports from Wisconsin. “Darek Flanigan is giving himself a big Christmas present this year — a new house. The 21-year-old from Black Creek is scheduled to close on his purchase today. Flanigan got a great deal, too — a 920-square-foot, three-bedroom ranch home with a full basement on Appleton’s east side for $75,000. The home was a foreclosed property. ‘I’m feeling pretty nervous about the whole thing,’ said Flanigan, who works as a telecommunications installer in Green Bay. ‘I had been thinking about renting an apartment, but after looking things over, I figured I’d be paying as much for a mortgage as I would for rent, so I decided I may as well go for it.’”

“Flanigan also was enticed into the housing market by the government’s $8,000 tax credit for first-time buyers, though he didn’t think he’d meet the original Nov. 30 deadline. That changed when Congress approved — and President Barack Obama signed — legislation extending the sales deadline to April 30, with closings to be completed by June 30.”

“Flanigan is one of many buyers who are keeping Realtors and lenders busy during the traditional downtime for the housing industry. The thought of the government handing out free money is enough incentive for buyers to see what’s available, said Candace Kriner, CEO of Century 21 First Realty in Grand Chute. ‘Some people don’t know that the credit was extended,’ she said. ‘We still get questions, but what it has done is get people off the fence about buying a home. If you’ve got a stable job and don’t own a home, why not look into it?’”

The Green Bay Press Gazette in Wisconsin. “This recession was the worst the country has seen in 25 years, said Kevin Quinn, associate professor of economics at St. Norbert College in De Pere. Unemployment in Brown, Oconto and Kewaunee counties rose slightly in November, as it did in five other Metropolitan Statistical Areas across the state.”

“People lost retirement savings invested in the stock market, and foreclosures and a dive in housing values hurt pocketbooks, too. ‘All of this has made it a really nasty recession,’ Quinn said. ‘People will feel the pain for years to come.’”

“Nancy Rein of Green Bay lost her job at the state Department of Motor Vehicles in November 2008. She worked briefly for the U.S. Census, but otherwise has been unemployed. Rein owns the home she shares with her mother, and she’s afraid she’ll lose her unemployment benefits in January and may not make mortgage payments if she doesn’t find work.”

“‘I will do anything to make that house payment,’ Rein said.”

The Capital Times in Wisconsin. “As Madison rang in 2009, still giddy from the election of President Barack Obama, there was optimism the city could somehow avoid the economic fallout from the great recession. After all, the government town had survived previous downturns virtually unscathed thanks to the twin pillars of the University of Wisconsin and state of Wisconsin. As the year went on, however, it became increasingly clear that this economic downturn would be deeper, longer-lasting and more painful than anything since the 1930s. ‘Madison had sort of skated past other recessions but not this one,’ says David Ward, president of a local economics consulting and research group.”

“One reason for the unemployment gender gap was the slowdown in building and construction. Most activity slowed to a crawl with the combination of economic uncertainty and the credit crunch from the banking crisis. Mike Vilstrup, president of the Madison Area Builders Association, said he is hopeful that building activity will pick up, but he is not ready to proclaim the crisis over. There were just 410 building permits issued in Dane County through October 2009 compared with the 10-year average of about 2,000 dating to 1999.”

“Vilstrup estimates Dane County communities lost a total of $1 billion in economic activity this year based on the 10-year average. ‘As we suffer, so does the greater community,’ says Vilstrup, noting the loss in tax revenue to government from both falling property values and unemployed workers.”

The Journal Sentinel in Wisconsin. “For years Central States Mortgage Co. - a cornerstone of the collapsed business empire of Richard Jungen - was viewed by many as a jewel in the Milwaukee business community. Today, court filings portray the Wauwatosa mortgage broker as unabashedly violating basic rules of lending, committing many of the sins that plagued the national mortgage industry in the years leading to the 2007 collapse of the home lending market.”

“Milwaukee attorney Michael Polsky, the court appointed receiver, has uncovered countless red flags in the remains of Central States. ‘There are significant issues raised with respect to nearly every loan that was initiated by CSMC,’ Polsky wrote about the loans that remained in Central State’s portfolio when the company closed.”

The Chicago Tribune in Illinois. “Apartments in the Roosevelt Collection in the South Loop are filling up and a new theater has opened, offering a glimpse of what the major mixed-use project will look like when the retail portion is finished a year or so from now. Windows in the plaza’s storefronts now are covered with colorful vinyl murals, but eventually, said Lisa Balis, senior vice president of retail leasing and marketing, 300,000 square feet worth of retail space will be occupied by a mix of local and national chains.”

“There are 342 one- and two-bedroom loft-style apartments in two buildings with 97 percent of the east building being leased after units became available in August, Balis said. Pre-leasing for the west building began in November, with about 30 of 174 units taken, said Nancy Blanks, general manager of the lofts. Monthly rent for the remaining units ranges from $1,500 to $2,500, she said.”

“‘As fast as we are building them, people are renting,’ she said, after the decision was made to make the units rentals rather than condominiums out of fear that many buyers would have been unable to close during the difficult lending climate.”

The Pioneer Press in Minnesota. “When you can’t sell a home that you’ve priced at $1, what’s your next step? Cut the price to 50 cents? Try paying someone to take the house for a buck?”

“St. Paul officials have learned some disappointing — but not surprising — lessons four months into a project to sell a cluster of city-owned homes at prices ranging from $50,000 all the way down to a buck. As the number of foreclosures has skyrocketed in recent years in the Twin Cities and across the country, cities like St. Paul have taken on the role of buying houses to address a sharp increase in vacant properties.”

“Better marketing would help the Fourth Street project, agreed Chuck Repke, executive director of the Northeast Neighborhoods Development Corp. But there have been other challenges. Many recent buyers of homes under $120,000 are investors looking to rent the properties or sell them following rehabilitation. The city wants to sell to buyers who will live in the properties.”

“Repke said he agreed with the city’s focus on owners who will be residents, but noted that those buyers constitute a much smaller group. Another challenge: Potential buyers are having trouble finding loans to finance the extensive rehab projects that are required to live in the Dayton’s Bluff homes.”

“‘I think you can stimulate people to buy St. Paul,’ Repke said. ‘Before all of the markets collapsed everywhere, we were finding people making that decision to come back to the urban core. … If the credit market changes on some of this stuff, I think there will be buyers.’”

The Indianapolis Star in Indiana. “By all accounts, this recession caught Indiana midstride, in slow transition to a high-tech New Economy, while the larger Old Economy endures as the only option for 298,000 laid-off men and women.”

“Tim Blaker once wheeled a shuttle bus filled with travelers around the parking lots of Indianapolis International Airport. But these days, on the mornings a $284-per-week unemployment check pops into his checking account, he wheels a shopping cart through the aisles of the grocery store.”

“A generation ago, Blaker could have followed in the footsteps of his late father, one of the 90,000 steelworkers laboring in Indiana’s Lake Michigan steel mills. Today, 80,000 of those steel jobs have vanished into what the professors call post-industrial America. ‘What gets me is the increasing disparity between the haves and the have-nots,’ Blaker said. ‘The middle class is getting ax-murdered. The opportunity to buy a house has just stopped.’”

The Indianapolis Business Journal. “It started with a bursting bubble and ended with a bursting bubble. In between, the decade witnessed a massive terrorist attack, two wars, and a building-and-buyout boom fueled by easy credit. The city skyline added an airport terminal, a football stadium, a library expansion, a massive downtown hotel, three shopping malls, four hospitals and myriad medical buildings, as well as countless condos and housing developments.”

“Homebuilders soared and then swooned when Wall Street’s bundling of subprime mortgages created a credit crisis throughout the world. C.P. Morgan and Davis Homes went the way of Bear Stearns and Lehman Brothers. A deluge of debt created a similar boom-bust cycle at local commercial developers Premier Properties (gone) and Lauth Property Group (bankrupt).”

“The new decade dawns on an economic downbeat: One in 10 Hoosiers is searching for work.”

The Livingston Daily in Michigan. “Livingston County’s economy started off stinking in 2009. The county saw longtime companies and a real estate publication close, watched its unemployment rate double from 2008, and continued to brace for declining property values. Empty buildings with ‘for lease’ and ‘for sale’ can easily be spotted along Grand River Avenue or in the downtowns of Brighton or Howell.”

“Michigan’s unemployment rate reached 17 percent in the early 1980s, and was last reported at 14.7 percent, about 5 percentage points higher than the national average. The main difference between the two eras is the recession between roughly 1980 and 1982 demonstrated a dip in the business cycle, and the current recession resulted from the loss of jobs every year since 2001, said Xuan Liu, SEMCOG’s data center manager, who compiled the report.”

“‘This one is not a normal down cycle of the businesses. It’s much more fundamental changes happening,’ Liu said. ‘What were facing is really historical. It’s really a structural change,’ he added.”

“SEMCOG anticipated a decline in the economy in 2007, but didn’t foresee the collapse of the housing market and banks that followed. ‘Nobody could have thought the recession could have been this bad,’ Liu said.”

“‘Today, if you need your bathtub caulked, I’m there.’ Longtime custom homebuilder Julie Fielek laughed when she said that, but she wasn’t completely joking. The Green Oak Township builder used to put up $400,000 to $1 million custom homes, but the last one she built in the county was 2006.”

“These days, the former president of the Michigan Association of Home Builders makes her living constructing new residences on the site of a former housing project in Detroit. How ironic is it that a local builder must look beyond a county once dubbed the fastest-growing in Michigan?”

“Five years ago, the county was teeming with builders, and palatial homes costing $500,000 to $1 million sold easily. Today, the number of builders has dwindled sharply as new home construction has slowed to a trickle. Instead of putting up large homes, builders are taking on projects they wouldn’t have dreamed of taking on in the past. They are grabbing whatever job they can get, such as small remodeling jobs, finishing basements and building garages, or doing general maintenance. Others have become real estate consultants.”

“‘A lot of my friends are out of the business,’ Fielek said. ‘They’ve gone bankrupt. Some of my friends have moved out of state.’”




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Comment by combotechie
2009-12-28 09:11:29

“‘I will do anything to make that house payment’, Rein said”

Thata girl, Nancy. Keep those payments flowing into the banks.

Also, don’t forget to set some money aside for property taxes.

Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2009-12-28 09:20:12

Anything?

Comment by combotechie
2009-12-28 09:28:46

A Greenbay joke:

“Greenbay is a dump. From what I can see the only people who live in Greenbay are hookers and football players.”

“Watch you mouth bud; my sister lives in Greenbay.”

“Oh yeah? What position does she play?”

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-28 10:45:48

Missionary?

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Comment by Nycityboy
2009-12-28 10:55:13

She used to play tight end but now she’s a wide receiver. Hike!

 
 
 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-12-28 11:46:43

“Thata girl, Nancy. Keep those payments flowing into the banks.”

I don’t see how this is beneficial to anyone. The more she spends on a house which is destined for foreclosure, the less disposable income she has for an ailing economy, and the longer the the bust is drawn out. With prices still dropping, the bank would get more money selling this house next month, than it would next year.

Comment by combotechie
2009-12-28 18:08:21

“I don’t see how this is benificial to anyone.”

If she makes the payments then she keeps the house. Her keeping the house benifits:

1. Her neighbors because: A lived-in house helps keep property values up. If enough houses go vacant in a neighborhood - when the tipping point is reached - then the neighborhood goes to h*ll quite quickly.

2. The banks because:

A. The banks likely own a lot the mortgages in the neighborhood thus have an interest in keeping property values up.

B. The banks get housepayments (which they need) instead of the house (which they don’t need).

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-12-28 23:43:54

Those are really stupid reasons to keep paying the mortgage. Who gives a rats @ss about the neighbors or the banks? Are you a banker living in a neighborhood of foreclosures or something?

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Comment by oxide
2009-12-28 16:22:54

I find it most interesting that she was laid off from the DMV, a local government job. I guess it shows just how much the auto market has fallen off then the past years. People weren’t buying cars, or people are fleeing Wisconsin.

Comment by eudemon
2009-12-28 17:45:00

More likely, the tax intake has been cut rather severely.

 
 
 
Comment by Leighsong
2009-12-28 10:06:20

From the Capital Times Article Above:

“Thank goodness we had some hotels and a few big commercial projects,” says Mike Vilstrup, president of the Madison Area Builders Association.

One hotel job still awaiting completion is the high-profile Hotel 1501 at Regent and Monroe Streets. After battling the city and Vilas-area neighbors for nearly three years, developer Bob Sieger finally got the OK to go ahead. Construction began on the $6.5 million project on Nov. 17, 2008, with plans for the 48-room hotel to open in time for part of the Badgers’ 2009 football season.

But the $6.5 million project stalled just a month from completion, with the Kraemer Brothers construction firm filing a lien for $3.7 million in November.

Other big projects also remain in limbo. The Union Corners mixed-use project at Milwaukee Street and East Washington Avenue remains vacant more than three years after McGrath & Associates announced plants to build.

And a vacant lot remains behind the Hilldale Shopping Center, where owner Freed & Associates continues to search for someone to move into the space that was originally slated for a 2-story Whole Foods. The natural foods store backed out of the site at Segoe Road and University Avenue, citing the soft economy.

Target has since shown an interest, with plans to buy the seven acres from Freed although no deal has been finalized. Freed, meanwhile, has been strapped for cash after losing control of its Block 37 project in downtown Chicago in a foreclosure action.

Commercial RE failures will get a lot more press in the upcoming months - look out below!

Happy New Year HBBers!

Leigh

 
Comment by Rancher
2009-12-28 10:10:16

“‘A lot of my friends are out of the business,’ Fielek said. ‘They’ve gone bankrupt. Some of my friends have moved out of state.’”

Really? where? Panama? No area is going to go
unscathed.

Comment by DinOR
2009-12-28 10:55:55

Rancher,

If it were up to me, I’d much prefer to see these former builders stay put and confront the New Normal they’ve created for the rest of us.

I’m sure many would love to bail and ply their trade elsewhere and play the “Echo Reflex Rally Rolling Bubble”? No doubt they’re “reaching out” to buddies and former associates to see if they have a line on some leads or where they can do some “deals”. Anything to put off confronting the harsh reality ( harsh reality defined as a life without the keys to the bank’s vault! )

Yeah, sucks don’t it guys.

Comment by Ben Jones
2009-12-28 11:17:40

Construction workers move a lot. I know some guys who loaded their tools in trucks and took off for North Carolina when things got slow here. But I see it a little differently. The economy was greatly distorted by this mania. Resources have to be reorganized toward productive markets. But there is no big plan for this; it has to happen on the individual and company level millions of times. Builders start doing something new, or they move, or whatever. Mortgage people too, and some UHS will change paths.

Rather than being resisted, it should be seen as a retooling of the economy, not some “crisis” to be halted at any cost.

One more thing:

‘Five years ago, the county was teeming with builders, and palatial homes costing $500,000 to $1 million sold easily’

When I post reports like this one out of Michigan, (and I’ve found a bunch in places most think never had a housing bubble) I am reminded that this boom/bust will be wider and deeper than anything ever seen in real estate. IMO, we can expect the fallout to cross over into the previously unbelievable. Maybe we will throw that HBB party in a $50k beach house in California someday, after all.

Comment by Nycityboy
2009-12-28 11:19:48

When I post reports like this one out of Michigan, (and I’ve found a bunch in places most think never had a housing bubble)

Like Midwestern states such as Minnesota. Oh, wait.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2009-12-28 11:28:48

Minnesota had a bubble more like the west. Crazy loans all over the place, massive overbuilding and lots of mcmansions. But back in early 2005, I didn’t post much about Michigan and Ohio cuz I felt like it was picking on them. Then I started to see the first big stories of mortgage fraud out of those two states. And Ohio was the first state to pass laws restricting subprime lending.

After a time, I came to feel that the bubble was all over the midwest, but had simply burst sooner as prices leveled off and loans went bad. When I started really digging for news, I then found reports in Kansas, for example, that could have been written about Vegas or Phoenix.

 
Comment by DinOR
2009-12-28 11:40:08

Ben Jones,

We’re actually more in agreement than polar opposites on this one. Over the years I’ve pounded the table for a legitimate direction for the economy ( and I’m still waiting? )

I realize const. workers have to remain mobile, it is after all the very nature of the business! And you’re right, each and every individual will have to find their own way out of this mess. My primary objection to all this migratory behavior is that it only reinforces the REIC/Jim Cramer view that “there has to be a bull market ’somewhere’!” rather than confront the fact that many of us will not live long enough to see RE have another meaningful run?

For a great many bubble-participants ( moving isn’t really going to improve the outlook for their future, especially if they plan on just doing more of the same? )

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-12-28 11:47:08

“After a time, I came to feel that the bubble was all over the midwest, but had simply burst sooner as prices leveled off and loans went bad.”

Right, Ben—sometimes, prices staying level IS a bubble! In places where the economy was a ghost of its old self, prices should have been declining for the previous decade, not staying level or rising slowly.

 
Comment by DD
2009-12-28 14:54:28

Over the years I’ve pounded the table for a legitimate direction for the economy ( and I’m WE’re still waiting? )

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-12-28 11:32:56

I just hope that, after all is said and done, the average citizen of this country can find decent shelter on the median income, no matter what city/state they choose. House prices AND rents remain much too high in many major population centers. I don’t think that’s healthy for the economy.

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Comment by CA renter
2009-12-31 01:47:41

Agreed, Grizzly.

Housing costs are way too high, relative to what people make.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-12-28 11:53:35

Thanks for the Wisconsin and other midwest honorable mentions Ben.

The local media blackout era of “see no evil, hear no evil, speak evil” of the housing bubble bust here is over.

Not sure if the people here are just kinda stoic, hard headed or just indifferent to real news sounds and printed material but they’re in for their share of national pain regardless of their cognitive abilities.

We’re gonna have bigger worries than just the Fate of Packers in the playoffs this year.

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2009-12-28 13:42:07

Alaska went through the same thing. It took almost 2 years before they admitted there was a housing bubble, but they still think minimal correction is needed compared to California. I guess the snow is always whiter, somewhere…

 
Comment by DD
2009-12-28 14:56:16

the snow is always whiter, somewhere…

‘cept where you are standing, ..hehe

 
 
Comment by Doug in Boone, NC
2009-12-28 12:31:31

“Construction workers move a lot. I know some guys who loaded their tools in trucks and took off for North Carolina when things got slow here.”

Under the mistaken assumption that things in NC were better!

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Comment by In Colorado
2009-12-28 20:12:15

My brother lives the Raleigh area and says they’re still building, cuz the ‘yankees’ all want to move to Raleigh.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-28 18:07:51

“Maybe we will throw that HBB party in a $50k beach house in California someday, after all.”

That would be schweet!!!

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Comment by Biff Henderson
2009-12-28 10:24:34

Remember folks, your jobs and financial future were stolen so rich A$$holes could buy bigger and bigger Hampton Estates.

http://www.vanityfair.com/style/features/2009/07/hamptons200907

 
Comment by Lisa
2009-12-28 10:42:21

“Darek Flanigan is giving himself a big Christmas present this year — a new house. The 21-year-old from Black Creek is scheduled to close on his purchase today…Flanigan also was enticed into the housing market by the government’s $8,000 tax credit for first-time buyers, though he didn’t think he’d meet the original Nov. 30 deadline.”

I love how there’s no mention of a down payment in this story about a 21-year old buying a house.

Can’t wait to see what happens when that tax credit runs out in Spring 2010.

Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-28 10:44:01

My guess: The expiration date of the tax credit will be met with another surprise renewal.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-12-28 11:53:19

Yes, it will probably be extended again, but it will matter less and less each time they do it. It becomes harder and harder to pull in future demand. Only increasing the amount would pull demand from further into the future.

When each quarter is filled by the demand that would have occurred in the next quarter, but has already been robbed of the demand that got pulled into the previous quarter, you end up with “normal” demand—e.g. no increase due to double-dipping.

Stimulus really only has a significant effect at the beginning, when it is increasing. Flat stimulus funding results in flat demand, not increased demand. If they extend but do not increase, I do not believe it will actually stimulate.

Comment by DinOR
2009-12-28 13:16:42

Prime,

That’s a kind of scary observation in and of itself. Especially considering it’s the only tool left in the box? God help us when it becomes only too apparent that unless stimulus $’s are available in an ever rising magnitude, they won’t really matter at all?

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Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-12-28 16:11:30

I’m not saying the extended program won’t matter at all—extending delays dealing with the the hang-over that naturally occurs when stimulus spending is stopped.

Think about the first quarter after the program expires: a “less than normal” demand would be what you would expect, since you pulled demand forward previously, but don’t have the same effect to lean on in expiration+1. Extending the program with existing terms prevents dealing with this hang-over.

So I will not be the least bit surprised when they not only extend it again, but increase the amount as well. I was a little surprised they didn’t do that this last time. My plan is to wait for at least the $32K FTHB tax-credit. :-)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2009-12-28 20:14:39

Like I’ve said before, I’m waiting for free houses. The catch of course is that you have to pay property tax on them.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2009-12-28 16:13:53

This has been happening since the housing bubble started. It was one incentive after another, except that those “incentives” were removing the safety nets. Low interest rates, no-doc, less money down, then no money down, ARM, I/O, and of course ye olde neg-am. Even when you combined all this together (mid-2006), they still ran out of buyers. Then it was a Mexican standoff for a year while nobody was giving it away…then it tried to pop in Aug 2007, then it really popped in Oct 2008, now they’re trying to re-inflate.

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Comment by CA renter
2009-12-31 01:50:48

Great timeline, oxide. Lines up exactly with what we were seeing.

 
 
Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-12-28 18:40:53

Nah, in 12-18 months the formerly foreclosed will have 2 years without a house and will qualify, and there will be a whole new pool of experienced buyers ;)

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Comment by DD
2009-12-28 14:58:13

920 square ft for 75k..THREE bdrms? what are they big enough for a cot?

Comment by polly
2009-12-28 15:39:11

That was my first thought too - 3 bedrooms in 920 square feet? I’m in the process of moving into a new one bedroom with more finished space than that. I’m guessing the young man isn’t planning on a king sized bed…

Comment by oxide
2009-12-28 16:20:10

It’s pretty easy to put 3 bedrooms into 920 square feet. You have a small eat-in kitchen (one wall of appliances and cupboards), a small living room with the front door opening directly into it, and one full bath. No extraneous stuff like closets, hallways, or dining nook. That frees up the rest of the square feet for pure bedroom. Plus the W/D and mechanicals are downstairs, saving any sort of utiliy/mudroom.

Look at any McMansion these days and you’ll just how much of that square footage is wasted on something that’s not an official room. They add sq ft by blowing up the bedrooms, thereby adding sq footage without much expense.

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Comment by wolfgirl
2009-12-28 16:34:00

Our house has 890 sq ft with 2 bedrooms and a formal dining room. Of course the house is 70 years old.

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Comment by eudemon
2009-12-28 17:57:14

Three bedroom houses having less than 1,000 square feet are actually fairly commonplace, especially in older suburbs.

The wealthy Chicago bedroom community I grew up in (ranked routinely in the Top 500 wealthiest nationwide) has hundreds of such houses. Several of my friends grew up in such homes in the 1970s. And they typically had 2-3 siblings.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-28 10:49:14

“When you can’t sell a home that you’ve priced at $1, what’s your next step? Cut the price to 50 cents? Try paying someone to take the house for a buck?”

Price it at 50 cents and offer a free car as part of the deal.

Comment by Nycityboy
2009-12-28 10:59:46

That headline is complete bulls–t, as usual.

“City officials said they would sell only to buyers who showed they could finance extensive repairs that satisfy both city rules and historic preservation guidelines.”

This is not a $1 house. This is a house with huge potential repair bills, as you can see. There is no integrity in the real estate business. Add into the mix government appartchiki and you get to see the worst side of humanity.

Go ahead and buy that house on the East Side of St. Paul. Don’t forget to buy some kevlar to go with it. You will have black gangs, white gangs, Hispanic gangs and Hmong gangs to fend off.

Comment by X-philly
2009-12-28 12:19:19

At least there’s diversity in them there drive-bys.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-12-28 17:03:51

“You will have black gangs, white gangs, Hispanic gangs and Hmong gangs to fend off.”

A dollar isn’t bad for a burial plot if you’re ready to go.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-28 12:40:45

Lies, damned lies, and NAR data releases…

I thought housing was getting better? That’s what I heard on CNBS Tuesday when existing home sales came in “above expectations.”

But then Wednesday came around and, well, new homes? They’re just not selling.

“Purchases dropped 11 percent to an annual pace of 355,000, lower than the lowest estimate of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News, figures from the Commerce Department showed today in Washington. The median sales price decreased 1.9 percent from November 2008.”

Wait a second. How come the disparity?

Two reasons, really. The first, which the pumpers cite, is that “the tax credit was maybe going to expire.” Uh huh.

No, folks, that’s not the reason. The reason sales fell is that they’re still falling everywhere. What’s happening in the “existing home” sales numbers is that foreclosure sharks are taking a bite here and there, in many cases generating double counts in the “existing home sale” category, never mind the alleged data source in the first place. But even the NAR acknowledges that 33% of existing home sales were foreclosures, not actual organic “meeting of the minds” transactions. Take those out and existing home sales didn’t rise 7.4%, they instead did their best imitation of a cliff-dive, with organic sales being a mere 4.38 million units (annualized), which is a mid-to-late 1990s print (and then again around the 1978 time frame).

 
Comment by mikey
2009-12-28 12:51:17

Forget the drive-by’s, these thug criminals are ambushing police officers before they get out of their squad cars.

3 charged in shooting of Wauwatosa officer
By Bruce Vielmetti of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: Dec. 19, 2009

Three men were charged Saturday with taking part in the attempted first-degree intentional homicide of a Wauwatosa police officer last week, a crime police say was solved in part by following footprints in the snow some five miles through Wauwatosa and Milwaukee.

Michael S. Dengsavang, 28, Paul M. Phonisay, 29, and Thongsavahn Rodthong, 27, all of Milwaukee, face up to 40 years in prison if convicted of the attempted homicide, party to a crime. They are also charged with burglary. Rodthong and Dengsavang are charged with armed robbery as well. Police were seeking Rodthong; the other two are being held without bail.

Abby Pavlik, a 3 1/2 - year veteran of the Wauwatosa Police Department, was shot inside her patrol car as she responded to an armed robbery call at the Happy Wok, 2332 N. 124th St., about 10:30 p.m. last Sunday. Her investigation took her to a nearby apartment complex, where police say she was ambushed by the suspects.

Pavlik, 28, who was wearing a protective vest, was struck once in the abdomen.

tinyurl.com/yhwwno9

*** Officer is out of the hospital now and hopefully doing okay…at least one of these guys were living in the US on agreen card***

Comment by DD
2009-12-28 14:59:44

at least one of these guys were living in the US on agreen card***

REVOKE the card immediately.

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2009-12-28 17:25:35

Is a Rodthong the same as a banana hammock? Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

 
 
Comment by reads_alot_writes_little
2009-12-28 14:23:57

Thanks for sharing with the readers of this blog some information you found about what has been happening in Indianapolis and in the state of Indiana.

 
Comment by AmazingRuss
2009-12-28 15:42:41

‘The middle class is getting ax-murdered. The opportunity to buy a house has just stopped.’

That opportunity had vanished by 2003, for the mathematically literate.

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-12-28 18:44:22

I was thinking about sending a Christmas card to our buyer who somehow made an 8% down payment in August 2008… but decided it could be in bad taste ;)

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-12-28 16:19:48

“If you’ve got a stable job and don’t own a home, why not look into it?”

- Renting’s still cheaper
- Houses are still over-priced
- Your job may not be as stable as you think it is

 
Comment by JackO
2009-12-28 16:28:40

I have never been able to understand how people can believe that house prices can increase if the income of the population stays level or goes up!

And they seem to have the same inability to understand if the income of the population goes down then home prices have to go down in proportion to decline of income.

Are builders , developers, businessmen, and government so incompetant that they think that if they build houses that are affordable to the top 5-10% of the population income earners, that they will be able to sell all of the house they build?

Kind of like here, where you qualify as low-income if you make $50,000 a year, and very low income if you make $36,000 a year, yet the minimum wage is about $16,000 a year.

Oh, well, it will all drop until house prices match income more closely

In 1937, in San Diego, you could buy a 15 year old 2br 1 Bath home for $1,750, and wages were in the range of $500 to $800 a year.

I suppose it will have to drop to something similar in the next years, unless economy improves substancially.

Ah, but you could not sell that type of house today, as everyone wants more, and better, houses. So, I guess all is lost!

Jack

 
Comment by GinGary
2009-12-28 16:56:43

Help me out here. The DMV is firing and the cable guy has a secure job?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-28 17:02:51

With all the housing market stimulus underway, this oversupply problem will burgeon until accidental affordability eventually results.

Housing Inventory Still Dramatically Oversupplied
Before You Add In The Foreclosures
2009 December 27
by Michael David White

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-28 17:38:26

I was itchin’ to respond to JoEddieInCalifAtlanta’s post yesterday, but between family friction and a patchy wireless internet connection, was unable to do so.

Now that I have the opportunity, here goes… (Professor Bear’s comments are in italics):

Comment by joeyinCalif
2009-12-27 14:56:27

Price fixing?

Go shopping. Just about every item for sale is the same price or close enough to it that it doesn’t matter where you buy it.
Can we therefore conclude that all industries are guilty of collusion and price fixing? To say yes would require a very narrow vision.

No, we cannot conclude that all industries are guilty of collusion just because competitive pricing results in a narrow range of prices. However, I don’t see my local retail outlet pricing at levels where their inventory stays on the shelf indefinitely. In fact, if I saw prices set at sufficiently high levels that retail establishments showed a huge inventory buildup which did not move, I would immediately suspect collusive price fixing.

This, IMHO, would be a good question to bring up in a Congressional audit of the Fed. With their vigilant regulatory oversight of the lending industry, I am thinking someone at the Fed may have insights to share on the degree of collusion (including whether anyone at the Fed is directly involved).

Industries always attempt to keep prices and profits as high as possible, but it’s the market economy as a whole that “fixes” prices. The economy may allow stable prices, or it might force lower or higher prices. It’s influences are beyond any industry’s (or government) control.
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If individual firms in an industry act in consort to push up prices above levels set by a competitive market economy, that is known as collusion, which is a violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act.

A competitive market economy sets prices at an equilibrium level where supply meets demand, unless a monopolist or a cartel using collusion to act like a monopolist sets prices at a higher level and restricts supply at a lower quantity than the competitive market equilibrium levels, which is one of the behaviors which the Sherman Antitrust Act was intended to regulate.

…history has shown that the longer the hold the less they will get..

Sure, they’ll probably get more dollars per house if they sell all those properties now… AND likely go bankrupt.

History has also shown that collusion by cartels attempting to distort prices above the competitive market equilibrium level typically leads to epic crashes, as excess supply eventually finds its way on to the market to crush the illegally inflated price.

“The operation was a success.. but the patient died.”

I remember how the Hunt brothers’ attempt to corner the silver market in the early 1980s resulted in the patients’ proverbial deaths, and I expect that whoever is behind the collusive inflation of housing prices through withholding of supply will meet a similar fate, in due time.

Comment by Matt_in_TX
2009-12-28 18:48:59

Don’t attribute to collusion what can adequately be explained by stupidity.

 
Comment by joeyiinCalif
2009-12-28 20:53:19

It is agreed that prices will continue to fall. Ben said it was best that banks sold now and got the highest prices, because doing so benefits the banks’ share and bond holders.

However, the good of the share and bondholders would not be served if banks were to realize their losses by selling all those REO properties, and thus go bankrupt.

Additionally, a sudden flood of REOs hitting the market would drive prices down at an increasing rate. Losses will be compounded as long as such a sell-off-policy lasted.

One could easily argue that banks are protecting their investors, depositors and borrowers (and the general economy) by NOT selling those properties.
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What mechanism is currently “fixing” the price of properties? Are banks colluding to keep prices high? Or are banks doing what must be done to keep themselves alive while protecting their investors..

Who needs to collude?.. why collude?.. when the perfectly natural, sensible and smart thing for banks to do is to hold properties as long as possible and so avoid booking massive losses.

This little interlude where large property holders hang on for dear life is just another part of the unwinding. Buyers need to be patient.. we’ve got at least a year or two to go.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2009-12-28 18:50:35

“Many recent buyers of homes under $120,000 are investors looking to rent the properties or sell them following rehabilitation. The city wants to sell to buyers who will live in the properties.”

“Repke said he agreed with the city’s focus on owners who will be residents, but noted that those buyers constitute a much smaller group. Another challenge: Potential buyers are having trouble finding loans to finance the extensive rehab projects that are required to live in the Dayton’s Bluff homes.”

Since the sticking point for sales to first time buyers seems to be the need for extensive rehab, wouldn’t it be in the city’s interest to let investors take the risk on the rehab and then sell to first time buyers?
The market seems to be finding a solution to the problem if only the city would stay out of the way.

Comment by joeyiinCalif
2009-12-28 21:06:03

Encouraging investors was a primary factor that created the mess.

imo, the only solution to this problem is time. Meanwhile, cities lick their wounds and suffer… and dwell on past mistakes.

 
 
Comment by Paul Mayson
2009-12-28 19:14:08

If millions of buyers, many with poor credit, this year took out fha loans and put down only 3 percent which many of them borrowed from family and friends…this is called the birth of a Tsunami of future defaults. It’s no skin in the game and when times turn a little rough for them…one loses a job…they overextend…or whatever else….they will just leave the house sitting. This will hit in about three years. I just can’t see how prices can hold up under these conditions.

I watch homes in Vero Beach, FL. Lately I am starting to see gobs and gobs of Short Sales in very nice subdivisions. These are not related to the Tsunami above. But it looks like a huge default wave coming.

Comment by REhobbyist
2009-12-28 20:17:47

Same thing here in Sacramento, Paul. A lot of foreclosures went at very low prices in the first half of 2009 and have been rehabbed. All are overpriced; most are just sitting there. When one of them is bought I wince.

 
Comment by Weezy
2009-12-30 19:06:11

I live in Vero Beach, FL. What subdivisions do you see this happening?

 
 
Comment by Michelle
2010-01-02 14:17:56

Most times you can buy a foreclosed home for a reasonable price, but you need to look into the reason that it foreclosed on. It might be overpriced due to the history of the mortgage industry.

 
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