December 29, 2009

Mired In Debt, Unlikely To Repay

The Tribune reports from California. “The three men once considered among San Luis Obispo County’s most prolific builders remain mired in debt, and appear unlikely to repay their creditors or return to their former prominence in 2010. Paso Robles’ David Weyrich, San Luis Obispo’s Andy Fetyko and Atascadero’s Kelly Gearhart each gambled on the rising values of the real estate market. However, after its sharp and rapid collapse, they are in deep debt — Weyrich owes more than $60 million, Fetyko $76.5 million, and Gearhart more than $110 million.”

“Much of Weyrich’s prized North County real estate holdings are slated to be auctioned off in foreclosure proceedings, as early as January. Barney Ng, former principal of one of Weyrich’s key lenders, R.E. Loans, told The Tribune that Weyrich had begun to default on his loans more than a year ago. Weyrich had intended to repay his debts with the sale of his real estate subdivisions, Ng said. ‘Mr. Weyrich unfortunately bit off more than he could chew,’ Ng said.”

The LA Downtown News. “As the 222-unit Roosevelt Lofts remains embroiled in Chapter 11 bankruptcy, the project’s developer is looking to hold an auction to sell up to 75 residences as soon as possible. The development’s lender opposes the plan. The Roosevelt, a subsidiary of Milbank Real Estate, filed a motion in bankruptcy court on Christmas Eve requesting a hearing by Jan. 8 for the court to consider a proposal to sell 50-75 units in an auction, according to court documents.”

“In the Dec. 24 request, the Roosevelt attorneys argue that the expedited hearing is needed for the project to capitalize on current market conditions Downtown: ‘The Debtor and [Kennedy Wilson] believe that, while the number of luxury condominium units in downtown Los Angeles that are currently available for sale is low, that number will increase substantially in February or March 2010,’ said the filing.”

“As the Roosevelt ownership has tried to get out of bankruptcy, Bank of America has instead sought to dismiss the Chapter 11 process and foreclose on the property. Attorneys with the firm Buchalter Nemer, who are representing Bank of America and other creditors in the case, argue that the sale of a limited number of units at the Roosevelt would diminish the value of the entire property, in part because it would trigger additional costs for the building owner. As soon as one unit sells, the building owner would then have to fund homeowner association fees for all unsold units, they said in their Dec. 28 opposition filing.”

“‘The Debtor’s justification for rushing to auction is absurdly simplistic when compared to the myriad of market factors and alternatives to immediate individual unit sales that must be considered and analyzed to determine the best strategy for maximizing the value of the Building,’ said the lawyers for Bank of America in the filing.”

The Rancho Santa Fe Review. “Plans to construct The Lilian in Rancho Santa Fe Village are moving ahead ’slowly but surely,’ reported Joe Pinsonneault, owner of the property upon which the project will be built. The Lilian is a mixed-use residential and commercial project (which) includes five residential units occupying 9,492 square-feet, and 4,070 square-feet of commercial/retail space.”

“To help finance the project, Pinsonneault, on Sept. 3, put the commercial property up for sale at $13,950,000. The property, which Pinsonneault said is still on the market, is being offered as a whole, or fractionally, which allows investors to purchase specific parts of the property. A stipulation of the sale, Pinsonneault said, is that the investor must agree that the property be used for The Lilian and nothing else.”

“‘We’re still on track,’ said Pinsonneault, who is currently in negations with several banks to finance the project. ‘We’re doing the best we can to make it all work.’ Noting that the real estate market is turning around, Pinsonneault said, ‘Pricing is in our favor right now.’”

“Architect Allard Jansen said his firm’s work on the project is ‘on hold’ pending financing or direction from Pinsonneault. ‘Right now, finding financing for residential projects is tough,’ Jansen said.”

The Porterville Recorder. “The Lindsay City Council and planning staff discussed the proposed residential development of a 35-acre swath of land in northwest Lindsay. The site, which abuts the City Park, was originally supposed to be high-end subdivision. Before the housing bubble burst, the site— formally referred to as ‘Mission Estates’ — was intended to be the city’s ‘crown jewel’ for expensive homes.”

“‘Lindsay had arrived, we were going to do some great things,’ City Planner Bill Zigler said.”

“Today, the area is vacant. ‘The homes simply weren’t going to sell,’ Zigler said.”

The Bakersfield Californian. “The city of Bakersfield’s months-old effort to speed sales of 15 empty homes in the downtown Parkview Cottages project has so far been slow going — but they’re going. The 74-unit affordable-housing tract was launched during the boom. The Petrinis paid the city $1 for the land in 2003 but soon became distracted by the lure of bigger prospects in the southwest. Completion dates came and went, work left unfinished, and bills eventually unpaid.”

“On top of the 15 empty units — which are in default and are being sold through short sales with no income restrictions — another 30 or so lots remain vacant and are likely to stay that way for years. Twenty-eight units were sold before the market collapse, but the rest have sat empty since February 2008. ‘It’s too bad,’ said Donna Kunz, the city’s economic development director, of the latest delay.”

The Tehachapi News. “As the year 2009 unwound, the Greater Tehachapi real estate market perked up. Bernie Connolly, co-owner and associate broker of Coldwell Banker Best in Tehachapi, said a third-quarter comparison in sales shows a big jump. ‘A lot of the sales were foreclosures and short sales,’ he said. ‘Most of the activity has been at the lower end of the market.’”

“The average sale price dropped in that same year-to-year comparison of third quarters, to $197,550 in 2009 from $240,100 in 2008 - a decrease in price of 17.7 percent. The lower prices mean opportunities for people who, until recently, would have been priced out of the market.”

“‘For years it was so heartbreaking. The children couldn’t buy,’ said Tammy Wallace, Realtor with Town and Country Realty. ‘Now they can.’”

The Record.net. “Sales of existing homes in San Joaquin County dipped in November, bucking state and national trends. County sales remained stagnant, industry professionals said, because of a lack of inventory. Keller Williams Realty agent Jack Mossman said the local slowdown is no surprise because of what industry professionals call a ’shadow inventory,’ meaning banks have not released all of their foreclosures onto the market as a way to keep prices from declining further.”

“‘Inventory is still low, at least until January, where we’ve gotten an indication from Bank of America that we’ll see more foreclosures,’ mortgage broker Jerry Abbott said. ‘We’re still in a market where there are buyers, but agents are flooded with offers.’”

From News 10. “As 2009 winds down, so are the hopes of millions of homeowners of holding on to their homes. As of the beginning of December, less than 32,000 home loan modifications had been approved nationwide in nine months. Analysts estimate that 1.7 million Americans will lose their homes to foreclosure in 2010.”

“Loan modification specialist Mitzi Robinson says there are some basic rules to speed up the process, starting with keeping weekly track of the application status. That means calling the lender and keeping a log of each and every conversation. Robinson said much of the success of modification rides on who you get on the phone.”

“‘One of the things I have a problem with and I have to do frequently is hang up, because I get somebody on the phone who doesn’t like me,’ said Robinson. ‘If you’re a borrower on the phone with, you know when you’re on the phone with someone who wants to help versus somebody who doesn’t want to help, hang up and call back. There’s no harm in that.’”

The North County Times. “To gauge the depth and breadth of the Great Recession and the austere holidays facing many area families, a visit to Daisy Street in Escondido offers an understanding that a sheaf of statistics cannot deliver. The drop in housing values, the implosion in banking and the retreat of consumers has combined to threaten the underpinnings of the nation’s economy —- the middle class.”

“Two years ago, houses sold for $400,000 and more on the street; now they are worth half that.”

“740 Daisy St. —- The woman who lived here fell behind in the mortgage payments, is in the process of moving and asked that her name not be used. Stitching together two part-time teaching jobs and collecting alimony from her former husband allowed her to make the payments on the house and support her children —- until the recession overturned her life.”

“She lost one of her jobs and her former husband lost his job, which ended the family’s medical coverage. ‘I went through all my savings,’ she said. She paid $460,000 for the house three years ago, taking out an interest-only first loan, and, a second loan. The combined monthly payment was $2,600.”

“She’s moving into a rented mobile home and has cut spending on everything except basic needs. ‘No more eating out, no movies, no new clothing,’ she said.”

The Redlands Daily Facts. “Industry insiders…say the recession has stripped revenue from those who make a living inducing customers to ‘make it rain’ money by tossing wads of dollars at exotic dancers in clubs across the Inland Empire and throughout the country.”

“‘This year there has been a rebound and it is still (down) around 10 to 30 percent,’ said Larry Kaplan, executive director for a trade association representing more than 3,800 adult nightclubs throughout the nation.”

“Anecdotal evidence of Kaplan’s estimates abounds at Inland Empire venues, where operators of clubs like Fantasy Topless in Colton, Bare N Legal Showgirls in Pomona and the Villa Theatre in Ontario said they have seen a drop in business compared to years past. ”

“Dissipating attendance has forced club owners to shift marketing strategies in order to survive. In the Bay Area, clubs have had to re-invent themselves because the crowds of white-collar, Silicon Valley customers with fat money rolls are no longer there. ‘Clubs are getting customers who are not spending (that kind of money),’ Kaplan said.”

“Those who run businesses that send exotic dancers into private homes said the downward trend in clubs holds true for their trade too. ‘I’ve dropped about 30 to 35 percent,’ said Michael Stickler, who runs the Chino-based Risque Kitty.”

“It’s not only tough for business owners, but also for the dancers, who work as independent contractors and have been chased by a bruising economy from one battered industry to the next. Stickler said some dancers are former teachers, nurses and real estate agents.”

“Mitchell McDonald, a manger at Larry Flynt’s Hustler Club in Redlands, said an influx of new dancers there has helped business tick up about two percent, compared with this time last year. ‘It’s probably the best lineup of women I’ve had,’ he said. ‘New girls keep the customers coming in.’”




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Comment by X-GSfixr
2009-12-29 09:56:10

“The children couldn’t buy.”

Yeah, what a tragedy. We’re doing it all for the kids.

Comment by Natalie
2009-12-29 14:45:40

I’m confused, does she want prices to go up or down? This correction is great - now lets repeat the process. 10 to 1 she doesn’t understand the issues enough to give a complete, non-contradictory answer.

 
 
Comment by OCBear
2009-12-29 10:09:24

Stickler said some dancers are former teachers, nurses and real estate agents.”

“real estate agents”- at least they have found a more honorable profession.

Comment by Vinnie The Fish
2009-12-29 10:46:02

I think they forgot to add “mortgage brokers” to the list.

What I find amusing is that about a year ago the local Starbucks was filled with former RE Agents and Mortgage brokers working behind the counter. The attitude from these new hires was always one of “this job is below me” and failed miserably with customer service. One can only imagine how the new adult industry workers have the same attitude.

Comment by DinOR
2009-12-29 11:24:14

Vinnie,

Right, anyone that can buy a few ‘leads’, fill out forms and talk on the phone should… be making $200-$300k a year, right?

Our neighbor and former realtor has taken PT employment at our local Safeway, you know just until the market comes back? Did these people really think making money was that easy? Hope they like their new-found status!

 
Comment by Jerry
2009-12-29 15:26:45

Well the real estate agents, wanting their commissions, screwed the home buyers saying “real estate only goes up” and now what?

 
Comment by VegasBob
2009-12-29 16:32:01

My former realtor is now working in a restaurant. It’s a great time to buy, right?

 
 
Comment by mikey
2009-12-29 15:45:32

Wow…I don’t hang around strip clubs but I have seen a lot of our real estate agents around here. (Wisconsin)

The only pole that 99.999% of them would look good on would be turning on an open fire BBQ rotisserie cooking spit.

I’m not very much on being PC, so don’t even go there.
:)

 
 
Comment by OcBystander
2009-12-29 10:48:06

BofA describes the proposed sale of units by the builder as “absurdly simplistic compared to the myriad of market factors and alternatives to immediate individual unit sales that must be considered and analyzed to determine the best strategy for maximizing the value of the Building.”

Silly, silly builder, can’t you see were trying to manipulate the market here, now stop being so greedy and help us shake down some more future homeowner.

Comment by cereal
2009-12-29 11:51:13

One good DTLA firesale would do wonders for affordability. We need to break through the 200/sf floor.

I’m rooting for the builder

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2009-12-29 10:55:10

‘…It’s probably the best lineup of women I’ve had,’ he said. ‘New girls keep the customers coming in.’

It was my understanding that girls like leslie applebottom-young spent lavishingly on above waste-d “enhancements” during the expanding real estate bubble…perhaps this is anecdotal “breastaurant” type evidence. ;-)

Comment by SaladSD
2009-12-29 21:41:50

Would a breastaurant have a snack-bar?

 
 
Comment by Curt
2009-12-29 11:45:19

“Those who run businesses that send exotic dancers into private homes……”

Isn’t there another name for that?

Comment by mikey
2009-12-29 16:20:57

“Those who run businesses that send exotic dancers into private homes……”

“Isn’t there another name for that?”

Yes…I believe that they call it the National Association of Realtywhores or something during daylight hours.
;)

 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2009-12-29 11:56:52

“The drop in housing values, the implosion in banking and the retreat of consumers has combined to threaten the underpinnings of the nation’s economy —- the middle class.”

Oddly enough, I thought all those things were what was threatening the middle class way of life.

Comment by mikey
2009-12-30 07:07:36

Ben Jones, you BUY 3 great big expensive houses right now!

I still have a little money in this bank and you and your merry band of tightwad HBB Renters are killing us out there in Arizona.

:)

Business
M&I cuts bonuses, awards stock to executives
By Paul Gores of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: Dec. 29, 2009

Close Top executives of Marshall & Ilsley Corp. won’t receive bonuses and stock options but will be awarded a “stock salary” and restricted stock in addition to their cash salaries, the company said Tuesday.

M&I, like other banks that received Troubled Asset Relief Program capital from the U.S. Treasury, is limited in how it can compensate its highest-paid leaders. That means, for example, that stock option grants - a typical part of compensation - aren’t available.

Under M&I’s modified pay plan, Chief Executive Mark F. Furlong will be paid a cash salary of $875,000, which is unchanged from this year, and a stock salary of more than $2.1 million. Like the other key M&I executives, he also will receive restricted shares of stock amounting to half of his total base salary…

…M&I has posted losses in four consecutive quarters as the housing slump, especially in its Arizona market, continues to take a toll on the bank’s loans. Its stock price is down about 60% this year.

http://tinyurl.com/y95djsv

Comment by CA renter
2009-12-30 16:03:35

Gotta keep the compensation levels up so they can keep all that “talent”!

 
 
 
Comment by rms
2009-12-29 12:20:16

San Luis Obispo county depends on tourism, and most bloggers know how the hotel / restaurant / travel industry is doing these days. Nice weather only supports real estate during the upswing. Huge equity losses are expected in housing and commercial property along the Central Coast. I’m sitting on the fence with ca$h and fingers crossed!

Comment by DD
2009-12-31 00:55:22

depends on tourism, and most bloggers know how the hotel / restaurant / travel industry is doing these days.

Read somewhere that the travel fares were lowest last year, but 09 might be have uptick in fares. And 2010 will see better options to travel. But what I want to know is, where are ppl getting this extra travel $ anyway?
Friend of mine said today there were 8 in FC and 8 in YC.
Holy cow.

 
 
Comment by Timothy
2009-12-29 12:29:08

“‘For years it was so heartbreaking. The children couldn’t buy,’ said Tammy Wallace, Realtor with Town and Country Realty. ‘Now they can.’”

Congrats, kids! At last, your chance to tie a 30-year millstone around your neck and spend the rest of your days as a serf in Bakersfield. If you ever have trouble making those $2,500 a month payments on your dogwalker’s wages, there’s always pole-dancing for Larry Flynt.

If youth but knew. If age but could!

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-12-29 12:52:34

“‘For years it was so heartbreaking. The children couldn’t buy,’ said Tammy Wallace, Realtor with Town and Country Realty. ‘Now they can.’”

I’m sure her heart was just aching as she parroted the “buy now or be priced out forever” to all prospective buyers back in the day. I bet she was just overcome with grief as her sales were skyrocketing as well as her bloated commission based salary.

 
Comment by octal77
2009-12-29 12:53:39

Maybe ex-Real Estate agents who become “exotic dancers
in private homes” could re-define the meaning of “Open House”?

Could make for an interesting “Flip that house” episode <;)

Comment by Zachary
2009-12-29 13:35:19

During that “Open House”, I hope the carpeting matches the drapes.

Comment by SaladSD
2009-12-29 21:43:46

Ah, the carpeting has been depilated…

Comment by Zachary
2009-12-30 05:54:00

LOL!

Maybe that’s only for the SHAG carpets?

Hardwoods should abound. I think so! If not, these ex-realtors may be out of another job.

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Comment by Lisa
2009-12-29 12:59:28

“Mired In Debt, Unlikely To Repay”

If that doesn’t just sum up what ails the U.S. economy, I don’t know what does.

And it’s the harsh reality no one wants to touch with a 10-foot pole, hence the year of “extend and pretend”.

Comment by GH
2009-12-29 14:00:24

Inflate or Default?

Not good choices either one, but I have a hunch as bad as Inflation is, defaults are worse. Seems to me we made our beds and now are faced with sleeping in them!

The time to complain about inflation was back when debt was being created which would not be repaid. This is inflationary or at the very least extremely destructive.

Comment by VegasBob
2009-12-29 16:39:00

The trouble with the inflation scenario is that there is high unemployment and massive overcapacity in most industries except food and energy.

The rich (e.g., Goldman Sachs bankers), who will have first access to Dr. Bernankenstein’s freshly printed money, will prosper as they always have. But the resulting inflation will destroy what’s left of the middle class in this country. We will be driven into abject poverty by skyrocketing food and energy prices.

 
 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2009-12-29 13:03:30

What I’m not seeing right now is much raw land for sale. While foreclosures and other distressed sales are coming on the market at lower and lower prices, land is mysteriously absent. In the PNW, what is listed remains so at or near the bubble highs. In many instances, a parcel of raw land is priced above that of a house on an equal sized property. Bizarre, since land is what has really declined in value.

Comment by CA renter
2009-12-30 16:05:36

Same here in the better areas of San Diego. We’ve been wanting to buy land and build our own house, but the land prices are still way, way too high.

Comment by DD
2009-12-31 00:57:36

“They” are landbanking now. The rich stay rich.

 
 
 
Comment by Zachary
2009-12-29 13:23:27

Has anybody spotted Dolly Lenz dancing. I think Dolly can kiss selling a billion dollars of Manhattan real estate goodbye.

Dolly used to make something 10 million a year, or more, selling New York real estate.

No doubt Dolly can dance for Larry Flynt now instead of selling a 40M co-opt to him. Times have certainly changed.

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Comment by SaladSD
2009-12-29 21:48:20

Dolly looks like she could run Mustang Ranch…. a home escort service with pole dancing “associates”!

 
Comment by Zachary
2009-12-30 06:13:16

Thanks for the Web site.

Check out the article dated 04/26/2007. According to that article, there’s no Manhattan real estate bubble. LOL! LOL! LOL!

I think Dolly may have a few lean years. More than a few!

 
 
 
Comment by Texas
2009-12-29 18:58:12

Hello all,

loan modification question for you. I live in a condo in Tampa that I paid way too much for. I owe around 200,000 and they are presently selling for 70,000- 80,000. I also own or rather mortgage several other houses in Georgia. What I want to to is try to get the bank to work with me on my primary residence the 200,000 dollar condo, but Ive heard that they will only deal if I’m behind on my payments. Will the bank come after me for my other assets if I fall behind or foreclose on my primary residence in Fl? Is that possible?

I am through Fifth Third Bank on the primary. Do they work with buyers?

Thanks for any advice..

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-12-29 19:59:32

Well you’ve come to the wrong place….we love people like you …you are the poster boy for everything that went wrong in America.

You overpaid for property YOU willingly singed on the dotted line can committed yourself to the payments.

Shouldn’t YOU step up to the plate and accept the fact you need to file for bankruptcy and get it over with?

Millions are just like you…you have to learn once and for all:

an INVESTMENT means cash flow POSITIVE
a SPECULATION means cash flow NEGATIVE

Banks have NO incentive to work for you anymore Bernake made sure of that.

Now if you sold the other properties emptied out your IRA and 401K and then came asking for help I would agree with you.

Comment by Texas
2009-12-29 20:43:02

I agree my other properties were speculation… But at this point im trying to save what I can.

“Banks have NO incentive to work for you anymore”

What do you mean by that?

Comment by SaladSD
2009-12-29 21:49:38

He means that you are a JT candidate.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-30 00:02:48

Saw lots of JTs on a 630 mi solo drive from SLC back to SD today… and couldn’t help but fantasize about certain well-deserving specimens from the REIC sitting squarely astraddle the branches of these unusual conifers.

 
 
Comment by DD
2009-12-31 01:01:21

Banks have NO incentive to work for or with you at all.

If they did, you would see less properties in foreclosures nationwide. They are keeping “their” OUR money. And you can’t have it. That is what we have been talking about for a few yrs. Texas- good luck, cause you aren’t going to get squat from a bank.

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Comment by REhobbyist
2009-12-29 20:25:11

Hi Texas. I think that you’re on the wrong blog. Most people on this blog don’t own houses. Try this one.

http://www.forecloseddreams.com/state_by_state_foreclosure_guide

I think that Florida is a full recourse state and that they could garnish at least part of your wages and go after your other assets.

Comment by Texas
2009-12-29 20:41:12

Thank you REhobbyist,

I actually came here because of the readers. I have learned much over the past few years reading this blog and would rather get good advice and ridicule then bad advice from the other blogs.

Comment by aNYCdj
2009-12-30 05:51:22

Texas…here today in the NYT perfect article for you:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/nyregion/30foreclose.html?_r=1&hp

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Comment by 2banana
2009-12-29 21:42:13

I owe around 200,000 and they are presently selling for 70,000- 80,000. I also own or rather mortgage several other houses in Georgia. What I want to to is try to get the bank to work with me on my primary residence the 200,000 dollar condo, but Ive heard that they will only deal if I’m behind on my payments.

What do you expect the bank to do? Forgive $120,000 and say no hard feelings? Especially if you can afford it.

You need to talk with a lawyer. Looks like you have three choices in the end:

1. Keep paying the mortgage.
2. Let them foreclose on it (jingle mail).
3. Declare bankruptcy and maybe keep it (depending on state law).

 
Comment by ahansen
2009-12-29 22:10:37

Hey, Tex.
Admire your candor.

You really REALLY need to consult with an attorney about both the legality and the tax consequences of any decisions you might make. They can also advise you on any loan modifications that might be available.

That said, bankruptcy seems the obvious option.
Good luck. Please keep us posted?

 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-12-29 23:45:03

The right option for you will likely depend on whether your properties are in recourse or non-recourse states. It also depends upon whether you have other assets that you need to protect or not.

If you have no assets, you like don’t even need to go BK. You can just let the banks know that you are judgement-proof, and they likely won’t even bother trying. The bigger issue then will likely be the tax implications of any 1099s that they send you for debt-forgiveness of the properties that are not your primary residence. The IRS liability won’t just go away as easily as the properties. You can still pay them on a Chap-11 plan for 5 years, and have the remainder discharged.

If you have other assets that you need to protect, then it gets much more complex.

You should definitely consult an attorney.

I see that some have been giving you grief for your investment choices, and your consideration of walking away from the mortgages. I don’t condemn you at all for that. Businesses do the walk-away all the time when it turns out to be in their best interest; why should we hold individuals to a different standard?

In fact, I congratulate you on working your way through the denial stage of grief, and coming through to see the reality of your situation. It is good that you are considering all the options available to you.

Best of luck with the decisions…

 
Comment by Sagesse
2009-12-30 03:51:49

” MY other assets”.
they are not yours, it seems.

 
 
Comment by JackO
2009-12-29 23:49:02

Or , as much easier said, If you smoke , make sure you don’t smoke in bed!

Or leave your electric stove on underneath that deep fryer filled with oil, as you got to the store to get the meat for dinner!

Or do any of those things that could result in additional damage to your credit!

Because people will think nasty thoughts about the situation.

JackO

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2009-12-30 09:40:38

???

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-30 00:04:30

“In the last 10 years, Weyrich invested in real estate, including residential subdivisions, hotels and wineries. He also bought a chain of community newspapers in San Luis Obispo County, called the Gazette, (which he eventually sold) and the North American Jet Charter Co.

He told The Tribune in 2002 that he wanted to invest in real estate rather than the stock market because it was something he had control over.”

How’d that control thingee work out for him?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2009-12-30 00:10:38

“Industry insiders…say the recession has stripped revenue from those who make a living inducing customers to ‘make it rain’ money by tossing wads of dollars at exotic dancers in clubs across the Inland Empire and throughout the country.”

Sounds like the Inland Empire’s exotic dance industry could use some of Bernanke’s helicopter drops of cash.

Comment by DD
2009-12-31 01:05:00

I “fantasized” about buying a stripper pole on ebay 1x, but decided a treadmill or something else would make a better clothes rack. Isn’t that what work out equipment is for anyway?

Comment by CA renter
2009-12-31 02:03:01

Indeed! :)

 
 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2009-12-30 05:24:43

Another for GMAC. How soon before GM, Chrysler, and even Ford call for more TBTF bailouts? Can’t wait. Go Amerika.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Report-GMAC-to-get-another-apf-2375173642.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=6&asset=db1532eae9d0efd76b8f61958075f93f&ccode=mp

Comment by Norcal Guy
2009-12-31 00:01:25

What a BIG ripoff of taxpayer money. They should let us shutdown.

 
 
Comment by Ria Rhodes
2009-12-30 06:34:50

Here in Arizona I’ve been hearing the steady drum beat for reverse mortgage loans in local media for the past six months. Where there is the whiff of a commission, salespeople (lenders) will be all over it. One revenue stream dries up, along comes another one. Caveat Emptor!

I saw this on NYT reader’s comments section this morning about reverse mortgages:

As the old saying goes, the devil is in the details, and here is where seniors get suckered by the reverse mortgage (RM) industry. Someone asked for details… I’ve read the documents and they are not pretty. As for the private mortgages being unavailable - good riddance. They are terrible products for the users (great for the banks/underwriters/etc - sound familiar?). Cross-Collateralization of Default: If you default on your car loan ( or a medical bill is unpaid) the RM lender can go after your house and foreclose on your home. Additionally the RM lender can foreclose if you are in default on other items such as unpaid liens, insurance not up to the lenders standards, unmade “repairs”, etc. Here’s a “fav” statement, “if the loan is underwater and the borrower dies, lender can’t go after the heirs”, if THERE ARE NO DEFAULTS. That’s the key; the documents are like swiss cheese and there are plenty of “holes” to swallow up unknowing heirs, despite the marketer’s slick claims to the contrary. Read all the documents and think of how they can screw you. As for the math behind these slick vehicles, let’s get to the meat. If you’re a senior and you sell your house, you’ll get about 93% of the sales price (assuming no existing loans, and you pay the broker 6% 1% for “other costs”). If you go for a reverse mortgage in one lump sum, you’d get about 30%, at best 40% of your home’s value. What about the other 60% - it will go to the lender in the form of interest at 400 points over prime (a comparable rate to subprime mortgage) and fees (which can be changed with out notice). Do the math, interest on interest adds up mighty fast. If you’re a senior and you need the money= sell your home. IF IT SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE … IT IS. The slick “we help seniors” marketing should scare anyone into a skeptical mindset before they sign. As for me, I don’t think it’s appropriate for the government to subsidize or insure this stuff, however if allowed at all, this should be strictly regulated. PS Yeah, I know “independent” counseling is a part of this program. The NYTimes recently reported that an independent competency test showed that far too many (30 %) didn’t do what they were supposed to. There are too many fees involved for firms not to game the system and leave seniors holding the bag.

 
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