January 8, 2010

The Bust Is A Story Of A Price Bubble

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “To get a sense of the fears and frustrations of everyday people, WBUR invited a diverse group of Massachusetts residents to come into our studios and share their experiences. Helen Ramirez: office manager for Chelsea Police Department…is coping with having recently gone from a two-income household to a one-income household, and has been trying to sell her home for 200 days — without luck. ‘I’d like to see some relief, I guess,’ she says. She had hoped she could get some help from the new government programs, but her good record meant she wasn’t able to qualify for any mortgage relief.”

“She tried to refinance, but she’s lost all the equity on her house. Helen says she’s ‘hanging on by her fingernails.’”

“Kevin Cuff, executive director of the Massachusetts Mortgage Bankers Association, said federal and state measures restricting lending and expanding the rights of some borrowers have already resulted in tougher standards for home-buyers. Cuff said that means credit markets that were once backed by both private and public sources are now mostly the domain of government-backed loans.”

“‘Maybe that’s a good thing,’ he said, ‘But it’s not that good a thing if you are a first-time homebuyer looking for aggressive lending.’”

“The Housing Development Fund is issuing $150 million in bonds that will offer low-interest-rate mortgages to 1,000 to 1,200 families in West Virginia. Housing Development Fund executive director Joe Hatfieldsaid a family will be able to get into a house at a good interest rate, and up to $15,000 will be available to the borrower to cover any closing costs or down payments if needed. Plus, they would be eligible for tax credits, such as for first-time homebuyers.”

“‘It’s going to make available to the buying public the best opportunities to buy probably ever,’ Hatfield said. ‘Families are going to be able to buy homes more affordably than they’ve ever been able to buy a home.’”

“U.S. bankruptcy numbers are bad. Bankruptcy numbers in the Northern Panhandle of West Virginia are worse.Mike Sturm, the U.S. Bankruptcy Court Administrator for the Northern District of West Virginia in Wheeling, said Tuesday that the number of bankruptcy filings, regardless of chapter, in the 32-county district increased by an estimated 40 percent in 2009. Sturm said he can only guess what caused such a drastic increase.”

“‘Everyone asks (why), and no one knows,’ Sturm said. ‘Usually, we are right on the percentage point with the national average, but this year we were way above.’”

“‘Ask the REALTOR’ is a weekly column from the 3,500-member RealSource Association of Realtors, serving Northern New Jersey. Q: I currently rent, and was wondering if you would share with me some of the most important items to consider when buying a home?”

“A: ‘Congratulations, Robyn. As you may know, real estate is the single best investment one can make. There a quite a lot of considerations – emotional, financial and legal - that need to be made when buying what, for most, is the single largest investment they will make.’”

“In 2009, housing starts nationally fell to their lowest levels since the government started tracking them in 1959. Home building in New Jersey fell to the lowest point since World War II, with fewer than 12,000 housing units built. The results have been brutal for builders, said David Crowe, chief economist of the National Association of Home Builders. ‘Most builders are ready for cycles; they understand it’s part of the deal,’ Crowe said. ‘But not when it lasts this long.’”

“In 2010, construction of new homes is expected to slowly rebound from the extreme lows of 2009, economists say. Housing starts may rise by 25 percent. ‘That sounds good until you realize you’re starting from a deep hole,’ Crowe said.”

“December home sales in the Nashville area turned in their third straight month of sharp gains as 2009 ended, but industry analysts are split over whether it’s time to use the words ‘real estate recovery.’ ‘We’re hopeful this will be the beginning of a sustainable trend,’ said Terry Turner, chief executive of Nashville’s biggest locally based bank. ‘But the sales have been very low. My father used to say, ‘It’s hard to fall off the floor.’”

“Redmond-based Housing Works did not sell any of the 10 condos it put up for auction last month in its Putnam Pointe development in downtown Bend and will instead try to convert them into affordable-housing units, according to officials with the nonprofit. ‘Clearly, it was the timing,’ said Tim Cox, the agency’s chief financial officer. ‘This is a great project. It was just poor chance it was completed in the middle of an economic fiasco that hit Central Oregon the hardest in the state, which is one of the worst hit in the country.’”

“Sales of the Americana at Brand’s Excelsior condominiums have steadily grown since owner Caruso Affiliated dropped unit prices by as much as 40% this summer, with more than half of the project now sold, company officials said this week. Fifteen of the 100 units were sold before Caruso Affiliated launched an aggressive ad campaign in May, plastering banners on the walls of the Americana that promoted condos as ‘priced below cost.’”

“More condominium towers are under construction in nearby areas like downtown Los Angeles, which could put further downward pressure on overall prices because many new properties are having trouble drawing buyers at rates that have proven to be much higher than what market conditions have dictated, experts said. ‘There is no guarantee that prices are not going to drop further,’ said Robert Bridges, professor of real estate finance at the USC Marshall School of Business. Vacancy rates of about 10% used to be a signal of stability in similar developments, ’so 45% vacant is not indicative of health,’ he said.”

“Ken Nitao, a broker in Alhambra, has tapped into the lucrative market of ‘flipping’ REOs, or bank-owned properties, in areas like Barstow and Bakersfield. ‘I’m getting stuff that’s 10 cents on the dollar,’ he said. ‘Everyone got wiped out. Property values in the San Gabriel Valley have dropped about 20 percent but values are holding up pretty good. Prices are too high to do that here.’”

“”Staggering increases in vacancy rates — both for homes and commercial buildings — are revealed in a just-issued University of the Pacific economics report. ‘The California real estate bust is a story of a price bubble and foreclosures, not a glut or oversupply of housing units as in Nevada, Florida and other parts of the U.S.,’ the report concludes.”

“MariCatherine McCombs, Greater Bridgeport Board of Realtors president, said towns such as Easton in eastern Fairfield County have suffered because prices have dropped in communities closer to the job centers in Norwalk, Stamford and New York City. ‘Our high-end market has been impacted because people can now get homes closer to where they work then they could in the past,’ she said.”

“McCombs said the days of rampant speculation in the real estate market are over for now. ‘We’re back to times when people buy homes to live in and not as a short-term investment that they try to flip to make money,’ she said. ‘It’s back to the basics, like the quality of the schools and neighborhoods.’”

“Why should Congress give the Federal Reserve more power, as it has asked, when the Fed and its chairman Ben Bernanke didn`t foresee the housing bubble that precipitated our economic collapse? That is the question David Leonhardt raises on the front page of today`s New York Times…But the newspaper should go further. It should ask itself on its own editorial pages why The Times didn`t foresee the bubble and its spectacular pop.”

“If it was the Fed`s job to take precautions, it was certainly the job of the press to sound alarms and keep sounding them until either something was done or a mighty embarrassment arose in Washington. Neither happened.”

“The media, print and electronic, had been garnering handsome advertising revenues from predatory lenders and developers, and the media business offices didn`t want their news staffs to do anything to interrupt that flow of revenue. I think Mr. Bernanke and the Fed may have failed to act for the same reason: they didn`t want to put a lid on the profits made by powerful interests in banking and real estate. And I think the same Congress that is now blaming them for the disaster turned a blind eye on the developing situation for the very same reasons.”

“We admit mild surprise that corrupt Democratic Sen. Christopher Dodd would quit his re-election race before it really began (but not before taking in $7.4 million in campaign donations, more than a half from the financial industry and almost of third from political-action committees). By giving up so easily, he tacitly admits all the charges swirling around him involving his sweetheart mortgages, his collusion in the AIG bonus scandal, his Irish cottage, his shakedown of brokers and bankers for campaign cash, etc., are true.”

“In retreating from the first real fight of his political career, Sen. Dodd implicitly confesses his complicity in the collapse of the housing industry, the financial markets and the economy, and the high unemployment, foreclosure and bankruptcy rates, record government debt and general misery they spawned.”

“If Americans have learned anything, it’s that change in government comes not from electing a gifted orator and his shifty acolytes, but by faithfully holding their elected officials’ feet to the fire and regularly turning them out before they can get too comfortable.”

“Few living Nevadans remember a time when the state was not growing in population. But now they may all be experiencing it. Bob Fulkerson, director of the Progressive Leadership Alliance of Nevada, said government should focus not on encouraging growth but on serving a stable population with sustainable use of the available resources, particularly water. Indeed, he said, the lack of prosperity now was produced in part by assuming that growth was the key to prosperity, an assumption that does not work when premises like cheap gasoline and a monopoly on gambling change.”

“‘First, workers and their families have endured extreme hardship as a result of the downturn,’ he said. ‘That downturn was the inevitable result of terrible public policy on the state and local level that depended on seemingly endless growth; cheaply built but expensively sold houses in ugly suburbs sprawling into the desert, where you had construction workers building homes for construction workers; and cheap oil to bring us the tourists to sustain our only real industry, especially in Southern Nevada.’”

“Ed Abbey said ‘growth for its own sake is the pathology of a cancer cell. Now that the cancerous growth of urban sprawl has been slowed, we should talk alternatives to the current way of making money that depends largely on desecrating our wild and open spaces with housing tracts. Why do we insist on the growth-is-good paradigm? Who chiseled that into stone? … We can retool our thinking, and then our communities, to be based on sustainable and renewable business practices.’”




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Comment by wmbz
2010-01-08 09:30:43

‘Most builders are ready for cycles; they understand it’s part of the deal,’ Crowe said. ‘But not when it lasts this long.’”

When you don’t understand what brought about the housing bust, then there is no way you can grasp it’s duration. The majority of builders saw no problem with the housing mania, and now can’t figure out why they aren’t off to the races again. Funny & pathetic.

Comment by WT Economist
2010-01-08 10:31:29

“In 2010, construction of new homes is expected to slowly rebound from the extreme lows of 2009, economists say. Housing starts may rise by 25 percent. ‘That sounds good until you realize you’re starting from a deep hole,’ Crowe said.”

Could also be said of the job market, when that starts to recover.

Remember what I said back when — historically 1.5 million new homes was an average year, 1 million was a bad year, and 2 million was a huge year. We had how many huge years?

For the foreseeable future, I expect new home construction to be driven almost entirely by pre-orders with huge downpayments by affluent people who absolutely want new, subsidized senior developments, and maybe spec contruction in a few places with spot shortages.

And, by the way, who wants to give a huge pre-construction payment to a builder given how many were lost. I predict any such money will be going into escrow payable upon delivery, which means the builders will have even more to finance.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-08 11:21:16

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* February 4th - March 13th, 2010 *

Opening Feb. 4th, 5-7 pm
One Man Show at the Fischbach Gallery

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Comment by WT Economist
2010-01-08 12:46:35

My schedule depends on my bosses — the one at work, the wife, the two daughers, and the dog — so it’s hard to predict and out of my control.

Ooops, forgot the house. I’ve got a plumber coming tomorrow morning, and will be looking for a replacement refrigerator in the afternoon. A wonderful use of the increasingly limited days of my one and only life.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-08 19:57:26

Yeah WT…the life of a home owner…well i am technically one too. My GF and I are going we just have to see those incredible paintings in person.

 
 
 
Comment by Bad Chile
2010-01-08 13:18:24

My wife and I looked at new construction through a very small builder at the begining of the bust (2006?) through a real estate agent.

We got close to buying until I started requesting proof of performance and payment bonds on the part of the builder. Builder insisted he didn’t need bonding and I had to explain to him my danger of taking out a construction loan and then having him go broke halfway through the building. Or worse, having him complete the house but stiff his sub-contractors.

When it finally donned on him we knew what we were talking about and that there was no way a bonding agency would give him a bond for a reasonable cost he started rasing the price, then just stopped answering calls completely.

Which begs the question - how many of these small time builders have destroyed the finances of buyers that didn’t know to ask about bonding?

Comment by DD
2010-01-08 22:13:28

Which begs the question - how many of these small time builders have destroyed the finances of buyers that didn’t know to ask about bonding?

94 jan, bought house in foreclosure,
3 months later it burned down overnight.
BIG substory dealing with City Planning.
Hired a referred a contractor.
Notified him from Start it was an Insurance job.
Red light went off when contractor refused to give
electrician sub the contractors license #…
WOOP WOOP WOOP
Short story, was fearful of liability on new house.
State of CA
no one can bid over a project of $600. without state authorized license and bonding.
End of story- contractor had been using his brothers #. Thereby putting me in jeopardy with insurance corp/liability.

Sh!t happens. Sold that house to contractor because INS would not release last 1/3 of $ due to INS comes out to review site and contractors #. So Contractor had appraiser appraise UP, so he could get his $.

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Comment by DinOR
2010-01-08 10:33:31

“then there is no way you can grasp it’s duration”

Yes, nor that they were the cause of it. Incredible after all these years that most REIC-drones still refuse to take accountability for their actions?

They fail to see a connection at all.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-01-08 10:56:02

Actually, I’m thinking that the SMART ones did. They just made as much money as possible during the unprecidented boom, and pulled as much of it as possible out of the companies while they still could. After several years have passed, and bankruptcies have closed their companies, they should be well placed to start new companies to build the next round.

Comment by DinOR
2010-01-08 11:18:21

Jim A,

Duly noted. I made that case when our codoze inherint construction defects became more apparent. While the builder passed away a year ago, his surviving realtor GF is -still- in the biz.

I sent out an email to everyone in the HOA that while ‘we’ are still mirred in sorting out why our gutters droop and countless other issues you wouldn’t expect in a 5 year building.., I’ve no doubt she’s off to here next incredibly easy money score!

It’s happening at any number of levels.

Comment by pismoclam
2010-01-08 16:40:48

You’ve got the parasite vulture attorneys who will take care of you and sue the poor contractor and realtor. The condo owners always look for someone else to be at fault. Tough luck losers!

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Comment by Kim
2010-01-08 09:43:25

“As you may know, real estate is the single best investment one can make.”

…proof that this guy hasn’t been paying attention for the past two years.

Comment by WT Economist
2010-01-08 10:38:31

Or maybe he has.

Real estate, where the gains are leveraged and the losses are socialized.

Comment by DinOR
2010-01-08 11:19:22

WT,

Good one! New spin on an old adage.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2010-01-08 11:43:45

Despite everything that’s happened, that’s still the dominant paradigm. One sign that too many people are employed in marketing and public relations is that we won’t stop selling bulls__t to each other no matter what the facts are.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-01-08 13:05:28

Snake, I used to work in the PR field. What you say about the selling of, ahem, bull droppings, is right on the money.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-01-08 14:28:06

Edward Bernays (Father Of PR)was not only Sigmund Freud’s nephew, he was an evil genius. “*The Engineering Of Consent “lives on.

(*Brainwash the masses.)

 
 
 
 
Comment by X-philly
2010-01-08 10:47:17

“Your Realtor will recommend financial people”

Oh well that’s a real confidence builder - I wouldn’t want to go with a realtor that doesn’t know any financial people.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2010-01-08 11:18:15

“Your realtor will also recommend an appraiser to make sure there will always be comps at the wishing price, and a home inspector who will find the minimum number of problems to keep from jeopardizing the sale.

Suzanne will gladly research all of this for you, no charge.”

There, fixed…

Comment by pismoclam
2010-01-08 16:42:33

Nina, Casey, and Gary Watts will be in line as well.

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Comment by DinOR
2010-01-08 11:21:56

X-philly,

And that’s what worries me! One of our local “top producing” realtwhores -always- rec’s his trophy wife as the mark’s MB. They’ve taken pains to sort of distance themselves in that they don’t office together ( ’she’ is down the block ) and still uses her maiden name.

No conflict there!?

 
 
Comment by Reuven
2010-01-08 16:20:49

Well, despite the losses, what’s the harm? Bush and Obama with the help of Congress, made speculating on houses risk-free for the speculator.

 
 
Comment by FRED
2010-01-08 09:51:55

The amount of denial out there is staggering! The real estate market has all the answers right there in front of them and they refuse to even look. It’s kind of funny. There is no money. Real estate is no longer an investment and it probably won’t be for many years. And banks will no longer lend money to unqualified borrowers. And still these people expect housing to make a come back. I for one am done with this nonsense. I have plenty of money but I won’t buy until prices are truly reasonable. If that day never comes, so be it. I’ll just keep saving the money I would have spent on that house for retirement. Which is going to be another huge problem for people in their mid-thirties when they come of age since they are indebted up to their eyeballs and have no savings whatsoever. We won’t wake up from this fantasy. I thought we might at the beginning of this recession but I’ve come to realize that it’s just going to be more of the same. Good luck America. I love you but we’ve become a nation of imbeciles.

Comment by wmbz
2010-01-08 10:09:20

“Good luck America. I love you but we’ve become a nation of imbeciles”.

Yes sir, it is sad that so many have become so imbecilic &dependent. It has been a long slow process, that is now really hitting the accelerator.The D.C. crowd love it though, more and more control. Not conspiracy just plain fact.

I forget where the tag line…”I’m not looking for a hand out, just a hand up” came from, but in today’s world that hardly applies any more.

I have always had to pay for my mistakes, starting at a young age.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-01-08 10:16:15

Years ago, there was a 2-part Deep Space 9 Episode where Sisko and some other officers time travel back to America in about 2020 (or so.) The America shown was a grim dystopia of run-away unemployment, corruption, and staggering excess of the wealthy elite contrasting with the hopeless poverty that the once-working class had to endure. Poor people were rounded up and placed in “Sanctuary” districts where they would be forgotten so the good times could continue and nobody would question the leadership. Most of them just wanted a job, but they would not get one.

As we watch our nation’s economy collapse, the looters run away with everything, and the Great Recession hidden by “green shoots,” the timing and accuracy of that decades-old Deep Space 9 episode is eerily accurate.

Comment by polly
2010-01-08 10:55:29

OK, now I really do have to get that netflix account. Or is Deep Space 9 on Hulu or one of the other atch TV on your computer sites? Seriously, I don’t remember that episode at all and I rather liked Deep Space 9.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-01-08 15:15:28

HULU has 3 pages Deep Space 9 episodes.

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-01-08 14:56:53

Deep Space Nine is my favorite of the Star Trek series. The two parter episode was called Past Tense Part 1 and Part 2

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Comment by mikey
2010-01-08 10:10:10

A: ‘Congratulations, Robyn. As you may know, real estate is the single best investment one can make. There a quite a lot of considerations – emotional, financial and legal - that need to be made when buying what, for most, is the single largest investment they will make.’”

“Oh…and please, don’t mind me.

I’m not shaking or holding your trembling little hand. I’m merely placing a handcuff to your wrist attached to this anchor, which we laughingly refer to in my racket, as …a your DreamHouse.
;)

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-01-08 10:12:24

You and me both!

I’ve had it with the crooks in charge propping up the Bubble with FHA toxic loans, etc… with idiot sellers demending a fraction under 2005 prices… with crummy houses selling for silly-high prices, morons getting in bidding wars, poorly built and grossly oversized modern houses jammed together so there’s no danger of trees spoiling the view of the neighbors’ Hummers… I’ve had it! Leave it to the crooks of this era to take something as simple as housing and utterly ruin it for a generation.

Comment by DinOR
2010-01-08 11:23:08

Pondering,

Nice rant, love it.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2010-01-08 11:45:07

+1

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-01-08 14:08:03

Yes, love your rant, PTM, and totally agree with what you’ve expressed.

Well said.

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-01-08 11:03:53

Well yes. There certainly is NO reason to feel any kind of “buy now,” fever. Prices in most areas are still high compared to rents, and rents are comming down because of the oversupply of housing. Even when prices stop falling, there’s little reason to believe that the appreciation fairy can be recussitated. But housing is a long term investment, and you have to compare the purchase price today to the anticipated rents (’cause you have to live somewhere) over the entire period of time you anticipate owning the house. So even if you pay a little more today on a mortgage, in a normal market when rents are going up, you can still come out ahead over the course of your ownership.

Comment by DebtinNation
2010-01-08 11:22:33

Which still will be a long time at least here in SoCal on a decent house, because even of one could be had for a price close to rental, the throwaway costs on most places are still staggering.

Comment by DD
2010-01-08 22:25:40

Well, you can find a 50-90k home in some areas, but you would have a major commute to a real job, and your home will surrounded by people who can’t think out of the box. Trust me when I say, the thinkers who would GET HBB have moved away.

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Comment by mikey
2010-01-08 12:49:12

“… (’cause you have to live somewhere) over the entire period of time you anticipate owning the house. So even if you pay a little more today on a mortgage, in a normal market when rents are going up, you can still come out ahead over the course of your ownership.”

Cool…

So, who exactly OWNS YOU during this OwnerShip Dance of Death with the over-priced love shack nightmare and it’s 4 walls and a roof ?

The bank and the mortgage company….?
The house…?
The ammortized 15 or 30 years bank Interest paymt’s…?
The house’s maintenance and associated expenses…?
The Courts and the Repo man…?
The “good” school district for little Sammy and Suzie Q…?
The neighborhood Comps…?
The being upside down and immobile under House Arrest…?
The RE Selling and moving Expenses…?
The Company that wants you married and OWNING a house to to appear “stable”…?
The State and property taxes…?

Hell, my Landlord and I BOTH rent.

I pay him a very reasonable rental check, I have a place to stay, he has all the headaches. He rents his properties from the freakin’ bank, The State of Wisconsin and the other tax leeches.

He bought his own home and several rentals on leverage and is sinking quickly, plus he’s been notified that he may be dead wood with his company. A thrilling time to own.

He was up and shoveling 12 inches of my snow at 4:30 am this morning. Auh… but….the Pride of Ownership !!

With a few minimal travel and visa arrangements, a couple of CC’s, some traveling cash, fins, mask and snorkle and my little yellow rubber duck in my AWOL bag, I could be munching Jumbo Shrimp in sauce at Cape St, Jacques, Vung Tau, Vietnam or sipping on funny drinks with friut and little umbrellas while oggling the chicks strollin’ the Martinique beaches for a week or two… no problem.

Heck, I might even find the time to send him a postcard as he “works his investments” in the Bust !

Being crushed to Death by a freakin’ stupid house…isn’t everyone’s idea of investing.
:)

Comment by pismoclam
2010-01-08 16:46:16

‘Love Shack’ by the B 52s. Love it !

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Comment by DebtinNation
2010-01-08 18:28:27

Mikey, don’t rub it in with your LL lest he becomes a PITA.

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Comment by Timothy
2010-01-08 12:16:33

Very well stated, Fred. Those of us who continue to save — real wealth, not just FRNs — will find our circumstances vastly improved in a few years relative to the ocean of mouthbreathers clamoring for more credit to support their affluenza.

Judgment Day’s not coming soon enough!

Comment by oxide
2010-01-08 13:21:09

The problem is that government will find a way to raid every single pocket of hard-earned cash if they can. What galls me is that they are raiding real cash (produced from work) to fill in holes created by fake debt (produced from *poof*).

Comment by CA renter
2010-01-08 14:10:01

Their money-printing schemes certainly aren’t intended to help those of us who are trying to save cash and do the responsible thing. They absolutely intend to drag **every single one of us** down with this housing/credit debacle.

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Comment by Timothy
2010-01-08 17:28:14

Ah, but their money-printing schemes are a godsend to those of us saving metals instead of paper. I keep a minimal amount of Bernanke Pesos in my checking account. When I need more scrip, I just sell some gold or silver. We might never see sound money at the national level but one can always put oneself on a personal gold standard.

And if you’re put off by high coin margins or having your bullion seized like in 1933, there’s always these:

http://www.goldmoney.com
http://www.bullionvault.com

And if you want another anti-money-printing play, why not short T-Bills? The 2-year note still yields less than 1%, for pity’s sake! Hard to see that going anywhere but up.

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Comment by DebtinNation
2010-01-08 18:29:54

Well it’s probably not a bad time to diversify with some strategic metals, namely gold and lead.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-01-08 12:32:14

“If that day never comes, so be it.”

This is an entirely reasonable response to what has been going on. Besides, there more to consider than just price - anyone thinking of buying had better think about job security/mobility, neighborhood stability, and local/muni gov’t finances and policies - amongst other things.

Comment by Rancher
2010-01-08 17:25:45

Several years ago I read a story about a 92 year
old man who had died alone and left his estate to several charities having spent most of his life in this small town in the midwest.

He had never married, no known relatives, and his estate was worth well over $1.5 million, all
cash, stocks, and bonds. He had lived in a hotel
for decades and no one really knew a thing about
him other than the fact that he was polite and
frugal.

I can see that happening to a couple of us here!!

Comment by DebtinNation
2010-01-08 18:31:43

Reminds me of two people overheard at a rich man’s funeral:
“How much did he leave?”
“All of it!”

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-09 06:19:34

:-)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by VegasBob
2010-01-08 10:28:57

Q: “Why do we insist on the growth-is-good paradigm? Who chiseled that into stone? …”

A: The growth-is-good paradigm is the only means by which a Ponzi economy can take root and flourish. Without an increasing pool of greater fools and suckers to hold the bag, a Ponzi economy will always reach the point of collapse.

Just take a look at today’s employment report. It looks like reality sprayed a bottle of Roundup Weed Killer on Dr. Bernankestein’s hallucinogenic “green shoots.”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-08 11:12:53

Q: “Why do we insist on the growth-is-good paradigm? Who chiseled that into stone? …” ;-)

“Liarry” Kudlow on “Are you smarter than a 5th grader”:

Host: “Grow …or…Die” is the “working mantra” of who:

A. Medical Industry
B. Warren Beatty
C. Wall Street

“Liarry” Kudlow: “Can I phone a friend?”

Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-01-08 13:12:35

What’s wrong with growth in the medical industry? “Universal health care” legislation (or whatever they want to call it) doesn’t provide a shred of medical coverage - doctors and nurses and hospitals and clinics do.

We’re going to need a lot more of them if were going to cover some 10/30/50 million more without a whole lot of others doing without. If you think the health insurance corporations are big now, just wait until you see what’s coming!

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-01-08 13:35:49

If this healthcare reform means increasing the numbers of nurse practitioners and physician assistants, I’m all for it.

Why? Because I’ve had primary care delivered by both NPs and PAs, and I’ve found them to be much more caring and attentive than doctors.

They’ve also been free of the “I’m a doctor, therefore I know everything!” syndrome. Which means that if a problem is beyond the NP/PA’s level of expertise, they’ve been more than willing to refer me to someone who knows how to handle it.

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Comment by DD
2010-01-08 22:35:39

NP’s/PA’s rule!

+100 AZ

 
 
Comment by pismoclam
2010-01-08 20:49:39

Twenty five million illegal aliens will be covered by the $500 billion they are taking out of Medicare. Mayo Clinic (non profit) will no longer be taking Medicare patients. Screw You AARP.

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Comment by X-philly
2010-01-08 10:41:43

“Redmond-based Housing Works did not sell any of the 10 condos it put up for auction last month in its Putnam Pointe development in downtown Bend and will instead try to convert them into affordable-housing units,

And they’re on the top floor…Section 8 penthouses!

lol

The HBB predicted failed condoze going Sec 8, but I don’t think we expected the penthouse suites going that route. Where do I apply?

Comment by wmbz
2010-01-08 11:46:17

“And they’re on the top floor…Section 8 penthouses”!

Well it would only be fair to give them their shot at the “American Dream”. No need to start at the bottom, that’s for losers!

Comment by pismoclam
2010-01-08 20:52:55

‘Coffee is for closers’. ‘But the leads are weak.’

 
Comment by DD
2010-01-08 22:39:43

Aren’t giving out new Section 8 these days.

Unless you are

 
 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-01-08 13:14:03

Secion 8 penthouses… does that mean sectioned off into 8 rooms each?

 
Comment by oxide
2010-01-08 13:29:13

Why go all the way down to Section 8? Just price the condoze at triple a teacher salary, or double a yuppie salary. They’ll sell in a month.

(or maybe the builder would get enough tax breaks that Section 8 actually means more money. And the middle class gets stiffed again.)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-08 11:46:00

“She had hoped she could get some help from the new government programs, but her good record meant she wasn’t able to qualify for any mortgage relief.”

Sorry, but the plan is to punish the prudent and to reward the foolish.

Comment by are they crazy
2010-01-08 12:35:59

If she were really that prudent, she wouldn’t need a hand out now. It seems some folks that are whining about getting help just don’t want to pay anymore, I think when the tide turned from blaming stupid people that screwed themselves to blaming the banks and government, it enabled the stupid and lazy to not take personal responsibility for their mistakes.

Comment by DebtinNation
2010-01-08 18:35:49

But all are to blame. The stupid people. The gubmint. The banks. Nobody wants to take responsibility. The government’s trying to cushion the fallout from this mess, and I believe we have yet to face a day of reckoning.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-08 11:47:46

“Why do we insist on the growth-is-good paradigm? Who chiseled that into stone?

The chiselers at the Fed did it. Unlimited growth is good — never mind whether trees can grow to the sky.

Comment by Timothy
2010-01-08 12:12:51

“The chiselers at the Fed.” Nice wordplay, ha!

 
Comment by DebtinNation
2010-01-08 18:40:02

Not to get too philosophical, but that is interesting that everything has a natural growth cycle, and then decline, and then rebirth, just like trees. It would seem to me we’re ripe for a lot more decline.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-09 00:42:57

Think about it — not only do living things (including people) have births and deaths, but so do companies and even nations.

 
 
Comment by DD
2010-01-08 22:42:01

The chiselers at the Fed did it

Love the wordsmithing!

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-01-08 13:34:03

Those who think real estate is an investment should check out this Curbed post.

http://curbed.com/archives/2010/01/08/william_beaver_house_condo_loses_200k_in_two_months.php#more

“A December sale in everyone’s favorite gold-flecked FiDi party palace caught our eye: #22C at William Beaver House—an 832-square-foot 1BR, 1BA condo in the André Balazs-developed building—sold for $800,000 to a Madrid-based buyer, nearly 23% off its $1.035 million asking price…The previous owner, an LLC with an address in West 12th Street’s Century Towers, closed on the apartment in October for $1,200/foot, or $999,000. At the time maybe that seemed like a good deal, because the apartment had been listed for $1.257 million. So, #22C at Willy Beav sold for nearly $200,000 less than it was purchased for just two months prior.”

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-08 20:14:53

This was NYcity boys favorite place to rank on Its has some horrible apartment layouts

Like the bathroom is right at the front door and your bedroom is all the way down the hall, past the kitchen DR LR and the closets…

 
 
Comment by Ken Best
2010-01-08 14:20:23

I was wondering who in the right mind would buy these bonds. Turns out it’s Ben and Tim again, and the “households” of course. So now we have a new and secret way for states to print money.

………….
Hatfield said the Housing Development Fund hasn’t been able to issue bonds lately for low cost single family loans because the economy caused tax exempt financing to not work. The interest rate that the organization would have had to charge for sales tax exempt bonds would have been higher than what was available in the secondary market.

“Bonds have not been feasible for the last year and a half because of the process that we would have to pay in order to get those bonds sold,” he said. “Treasury has given us the opportunity to sell bonds directly to them.”

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-01-08 14:21:49

From one of Ben’s links above:

Hatfield said the Housing Development Fund hasn’t been able to issue bonds lately for low cost single family loans because the economy caused tax exempt financing to not work. The interest rate that the organization would have had to charge for sales tax exempt bonds would have been higher than what was available in the secondary market.

“Bonds have not been feasible for the last year and a half because of the process that we would have to pay in order to get those bonds sold,” he said. “Treasury has given us the opportunity to sell bonds directly to them.”

http://www.timeswv.com/business/local_story_361033744.html
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This is something I find really disturbing: the notion that there is **no market** for certain assets. There is a price at which almost anything can be sold. If bonds can’t be sold at 4%, perhaps they should try 7% or 8%…just keep raising the price until you find a buyer. There is no reason for the Treasury to be buying bonds that supply funds to people who want to buy houses with nothing down.

We had an unprecedented learning opportunity with the collapse of this housing/credit bubble, and we blew it. We are right back to where we started with the bubbles — flippers everywhere, unqualified buyers with no skin in the game, and no financial cushion in the event something goes wrong (which is guaranteed to happen in almost everyone’s life). This way this entire thing has been handled shows how embedded the corruption and ignorance is, IMHO.

Comment by Ken Best
2010-01-08 16:12:31

Watch for Monday headline: Home sale jumps by 1,200 in West Virginia!!!

NAR: housing recovery in W. Virginia! RE always goes up. Happy time is here again.

Ben and Geithner: the recession has ended. We are now in full recovery mode.

Of course, they don’t tell you the whole story.
Geithner to send email to W. Virginia to keep secret the Treasury money.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-08 15:02:42

” Q: I currently rent…..
A: ‘Congratulations”

That about sums it up.

 
Comment by Reuven
2010-01-08 16:19:34

Congratulations, Robyn. As you may know, real estate is the single best investment one can make. There a quite a lot of considerations – emotional, financial and legal - that need to be made when buying what, for most, is the single largest investment they will make.’”

You would think that a state-licensed professional who has the authority to represent large financial transactions would be prohibited from making statements like this, just as Vanguard Investments can’t say “Buy our Vanguard Total Market Fund. It’s the single best investment one can make.” They always show past performance and warn how it may not carry forward.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-09 00:41:10

You’d think the Surgeon General would have become involved by now, perhaps by requiring all Used Home Sellers to have a warning branded into their foreheads:

“A home purchase may be dangerous to your financial health.”

 
 
Comment by skroodle
2010-01-08 17:02:30

“McCombs said the days of rampant speculation in the real estate market are over for now. ‘We’re back to times when people buy homes to live in and not as a short-term investment that they try to flip to make money,’ she said.

Next on HGTV - “Stay in that House!”.

Comment by DebtinNation
2010-01-08 19:21:38

“Strip that house” — a new show where people see how much they can make taking out appliances, cabinets, and fixtures.

Comment by pismoclam
2010-01-08 20:57:55

How about copper piping ? Electrical wiring ? Carpet ?

 
Comment by DD
2010-01-08 22:46:21

During all that nutty time, one thing that irked me to no end, was rarely did the flippers etc carefully recycle the good cabinets and sinks and so forth. It was all a wild spree of YEA YEA we get to smash things and take to the dump. But the other thing is “we” never have to see how much crap gets dumped into landfills.
We” are above it all.

 
 
Comment by Dave of the North
2010-01-09 04:15:55

The flipping shows on HGTV have disappeared at least in Canada, except for Flipping Out which is more about the OCD main character than flipping. They still have that bizarre Million Dollar Listing.

One newer show they have is about people moving into a new-to-them house and renovating part of it into an apartment.

Holmes Inspection is a show with Mike Holmes going into houses that people have recently bought and finding out all the problems that home inspectors have missed - pretty obvious stuff. Like that the house used to be a grow op… In his previous show Mike didn’t hide his opinion that the New Home warranty program in Ontario was useless. This program is showing how useless home inspections generally are.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-09 00:35:50

Published: January 6th, 2010 21:31 EST

“Why did we all fail to see the housing bubble?”

Speak fo’ yo’self.

 
Comment by dc_renter
2010-01-09 12:36:45

As long as people like Christopher Dodd are allowed to walk away scott-free we are a doomed nation. Where is the outrage? We are, in a sense, a lawless nation now. When the courts turn a blind eye to a criminal of such epic proportions, where is the hope for a true recovery? Unadulterated greed is rewarded in the US. Those that follow the rules, that live within their budgets are now marginalized in the US. We used to be rewarded.

 
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