January 10, 2010

Greed Overcame Logic And Rational Behavior

A report from Arkansas Online. “The River Market Tower in downtown Little Rock is having a tough go of it. Only 23 of 134 condominium units have been sold, according to public records. The developer, Moses Tucker Real Estate, announced in July 2007, when construction began, that 27 units had been presold, adding last July that 11 more were under contract. Jimmy Moses, a principal at Moses Tucker, which owns the $60 million highrise, said this week that the numbers on record at the Pulaski County tax assessor’s office are ‘way off.’”

From Tulsa World in Oklahoma. “Tulsa’s seen a lot of retail development in the last decade. Still, there have been plenty of others that were planned but never broke ground. The River District, Location: The west bank of the Arkansas River, south of the Creek Turnpike in Jenks. Original plans: Lynn Mitchell and the River District Development Group were going for 852,000 square feet of upscale and unique shopping with a price tag of $1 billion. It would also include a host of restaurants, office space, condominiums, hotels and a performance fountain. The 300-acre site was cleared a year ago, but nothing has happened there since.”

“Steve Walman, managing broker for Walman Commercial Real Estate Services and a real estate agent for the project, said the slumping economy and a lack of capital have slowed the project down, but it’s still making progress. ‘We are working with the owners, and continue to do pre-development work.’ Walman said they’re now shooting for construction to begin in 2011, though the scope of the project may change.”

The Oklahoman. ” It doesn’t get any starker than this: ‘There is no retail sales market at present.’ Thus begins the bleak summary of 2009 investment sales of stores and shopping centers in Oklahoma City. There was none, at least none over 25,000 square feet, the minimum size tracked by Price Edwards & Co. The most prominent local retail property destined to sell at a discounted price, of course, is Crossroads Mall, which landed in the hands of the Federal Reserve as a result of the April 2008 merger of Bear Stearns Cos. Inc. and JPMorgan Chase & Co.”

“Price Edwards is marketing Crossroads Mall with an asking price of $24 million, less than half its assessed value in 2008.”

The Associated Press. “Foreclosures and the depressed real estate market have contributed to drastic reductions in the prices of condominiums on the Mississippi Gulf Coast. The downturn has left some projects on hold. And investors who bought in a hot market have in some cases walked away from their units as values declined.”

“Before Katrina, selling condominiums was easy work as the nation’s housing bubble continued to swell. Mike Boudreaux, president and CEO of Gulf Coast Investment Developers Inc., said his team could sit back and take condominium orders. Units were cheaper here than in Florida, and a year-round tourist season created by casinos was another selling point. After that fateful August 2005 storm, sales were literally gone with the wind.”

“‘After the storm, there was a huge fear of being on the water,’ Boudreaux said. ‘Katrina instilled a fear in buyers that being on the water just wasn’t a safe thing to do.’”

“‘Real estate is such a valuable commodity if you can pick it up at the right price,’ said Tashia McGinn, real estate agent on property at Beau View condominiums in Biloxi. ‘If you have the money to buy, it’s the right time to buy. The cost of construction right now would be double the cost of a unit.’”

From WWLTV in Lousiana. “In the most visited neighborhood in New Orleans, home sales have been anything but brisk in the past year. The signs are up around the French Quarter, showing a number of condominiums for sale at a time when home sales have seen a slowdown. One of the units up for sale is a one bedroom, one bath home on Ursulines, going for just under $300,000. It’s been on the market since August and the home has already seen one price reduction of more than $10,000. It is a second home for the owner, who lives out of town.”

“‘There is excess inventory right now, which is an advantage for buyers and that you will probably find someone who is ready to sell and ready to negotiate,’ said Michael Wilkinson, a realtor who specializes in French Quarter home sales.”

From Amarillo.com in Texas. “An economic big rig ran down Amarillo’s economy in 2009. It’s flat now and won’t likely pick up until the latter half of 2010, according to Amarillo National Bank’s annual economic forecast. Job losses and fear about what lies ahead have created a ‘bunker mentality’ that has consumers saving, rather than spending, said ANB Assistant Vice President William Ware. ‘They’re scared of not having a job in six months.’”

“Amarillo saw drops in employment of 1,000 to 2,500 workers each month in 2009 in every sector, with losses more dramatic last spring than later in the year, according to the analysis.”

The Star Telegram in Texas. “Fort Worth-based Atlas Properties bought 56 condos in the 96-unit Piazza Siena development in Dallas’s Oak Lawn area from the Chicago bank that foreclosed on the units last year. The property was built in 2001 as apartments, but Chicago-based Tria Properties bought it in 2007 for a condo conversion. Piazza Siena is near several transitioning neighborhoods, including the popular Uptown area, where condos sell for as much as $500,000.”

“Of the 56 condos Atlas Properties acquired, 47 are leased and nine are vacant. The remaining 40 condos in the development are owner-occupied. Adam Blake, Atlas Properties president, said the deal came at a deep discount because the bank wanted to sell before the end of the year. As a result, savings will be passed along to buyers, he said. One-bedroom condos will start at $99,000 and two-bedroom units at $135,000. The condos sold for about $240,000 in 2008, Blake said.”

The American Statesman in Texas. “Austin-area office vacancy rates and rents edged down in the fourth quarter from the previous year, new figures show, and 2010 is expected to look like a repeat of 2009, with no significant increases in overall occupancy, local experts said. Office leasing is usually tied to job growth, and the Central Texas region lost 4,300 jobs during the 12 months that ended in November.

“The only way you’re going to lease up existing vacant office space is with job growth, so until we start having positive job growth, the market’s not going to have a lot of leasing activity,” said Karen Judson, vice president of marketing and research in Austin for a national commercial real estate firm. ‘All the experts keep talking about a jobless recovery. That’s bad news for office leasing.’”

“Downtown had the lowest Class A vacancy rate with 16.8 percent, compared with 12 percent in the fourth quarter of 2008. But some suburban areas aren’t faring nearly as well: Round Rock’s vacancy rate for Class A space was 58.2 percent, and the rate was slightly more than 29 percent in far Northwest Austin, where some new complexes are empty or barely occupied.”

“Some of those landlords are offering free rent for as long as a year for tenants who sign long-term leases, said Ford Alexander, a partner with Oxford Commercial.”

My San Antonio in Texas. “Local builders started 7,132 homes in 2009 — about 1,000 of which were probably directly due to the availability of the federal tax credit, Jack Inselmann, vice president of the U.S. Central Division of housing research company Metrostudy, told more than 600 people at the Greater San Antonio Builders Association’s housing forecast. Inselmann estimates that as many as 1,500 of 8,330 sales of new homes in San Antonio were thanks to the credit.”

“In addition to the tax credit deadline, home buyers this year also face a possible rise in mortgage interest rates. ‘Mortgage rates have never been this low in my lifetime,’ said Mark Dotzour, chief economist for the Real Estate Center at Texas A&M University, who spoke at the SABOR forecast.”

“But many economists expect that rates will rise soon, particularly in the second half of the year, Dotzour said. At the end of March, the Federal Reserve plans to stop buying mortgage-backed securities issued by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Ginnie Mae. It’s a change that would push mortgage-backed securities onto the private market — and likely raise mortgage rates by a point or more, Dotzour said.”

“But as long as people are secure in their jobs, Dotzour said he is encouraging people to pull the trigger on home purchases to snag the ultra-low rates and the tax credit, if they qualify. ‘Mortgage rates should never be this low,’ he said. ‘It’s a gift from the government.’”

The hh in Texas. “The pace of area home building is picking up. Taylor Morrison said Friday that it plans to build 270 homes in Telfair, a 4-year-old master-planned community in Sugar Land. Last month, Parkwood Builders said it was starting to build on one-third-acre estate lots in Firethorne, a 1,400-acre planned community in the Katy-Fulshear area. The company’s 3,000- to 6,000-square-foot homes will start in the $350,000s.”

“In the northwest part of the area, Trendmaker Homes and Newmark Homes are building in Towne Lake. That 2,400-acre development with a 300-acre lake has homes priced from $180,000 into the millions.”

“The increased building is being driven by low interest rates, a federal tax credit for homebuyers and a resurgence in local consumer confidence that slumped after Hurricane Ike and in the national financial crisis, said David Jarvis, Houston director of research firm Metrostudy. Even though mortgage lending standards remain tight, ‘there’s a lot of people subjecting themselves to that,’ he said.”

“The upscale Montage apartment tower across from Hermann Park fell into foreclosure this week, just months after its twin — The Mosaic — suffered a similar fate. It’s the latest turn of events for the high-end residential project built in the second half of the 2000s. With nearly 800 units in the twin towers combined, real estate observers expressed concern after the project was announced that there would be enough demand in a city where high-rise living isn’t the norm.”

“Both 29-story buildings originally were planned as for-sale condominium towers. The ambitious real estate development was announced in 2005 in what was a much better real estate market. When condo sales started to soften, the developer decided to make the second building a rental property.”

“Then about a year ago, the entity formed to develop Mosaic, the first tower, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection after defaulting on a $76 million construction loan with Corus Bank. Corus ultimately foreclosed on all of the unsold units.”

“A long-standing feud between Rice-area bar owners and their neighbors in a high-rise condo has escalated from egg throwing, water spraying, laser pointing and name calling to assault lawsuits. Just off Kirby Drive on Quenby a small wooden one-story pub and adjacent beer garden named Hans’ Bier Haus cozies up to a three-story parking garage attached to the upscale 16-story 2520 Robinhood Condominiums where a two-bedroom unit is now available for an average $365,000.”

“‘Nestled between the city’s most prestigious, well-kept neighborhoods,’ reads a Web site for the high rise. Ads for available units note they are immaculate, pristine and have fabulous views. ‘Quest for the Holy Ale’ reads an inscription on the beer garden’s aging painted Jeep, a veteran of the Art Car Parade that also once sported an arrow pointing to the condos reading ‘Tower of Evil.’”

“The culture clash between these unlikely neighbors culminated last month. Bar co-owner Bill Cave was charged with misdemeanor assault for his behavior in trying to stop water spraying on his Christmas party. A few days later the condo association and homeowners became subject to a restraining order keeping them from tossing produce, water or anything off their garage onto the bar patrons and bocce ball court below.”

“Paul Kellogg, a commercial lawyer and co-owner of the bar with Cave, said he’s sorry it came to this. ‘There’s a small group of home owners who are intractably opposed to our very existence,’ he said. ‘It’s a shame they didn’t notice we were there when they moved in.’”

The Southwest Farm Press. “The worm has turned. It may be a slow crawl for some time yet, says Texas AgriLife Extension economist Charlie Hall, but the news is not all bad at the moment and recovery from recession seems to be in progress.”

“Hall offered an assessment of the U.S. economy and the potential for agriculture during the annual Texas Plant Protection Association conference last December in College Station. He says all segments of the U.S. and the world economies may not show signs of robust recovery yet, but some elements that are still struggling seem to be ‘getting less bad.’ Unemployment, for instance, remains at 10.2 percent to 10.8 percent and is focused primarily in the center of the country.”

“Hall said the recession may have been worse than usual because ‘we had to battle a number of difficulties at the same time. We’ve had 11 recessions since 1948 and they are part of the business cycle, necessary to restrain the inflation rate.’ ‘The boom in the economy created a lot of instability,’ Hall said. ‘Greed overcame logic and rational behavior.’”

“He said the belief that everyone is entitled to own a home, regardless of the ability to pay for it, created a crisis in the housing market. ‘We saw a lot of hubris in the financial world and in the monetary policy. We saw a failure of corporate governance and we know that households saved too little and borrowed too much. We underestimated the risks in the financial markets.’”




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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-09 10:06:48

“A long-standing feud between Rice-area bar owners and their neighbors in a high-rise condo has escalated from egg throwing, water spraying, laser pointing and name calling to assault lawsuits.

So this is the edgy urban vibe the hipster condo-dwellers were promised on their glossy brochures when they became “downtown pioneers.”

Comment by In Montana
2010-01-09 10:11:05

The beer garden actually sounds like fun.

Comment by CA renter
2010-01-10 03:21:07

It does, doesn’t it? ;)

 
Comment by mikey
2010-01-10 08:53:00

Egging, drinking and food fights.

That place reminds me of my buddies Frat House at Whiskey Tech on a quite night.

Fondly sings….

“Memories
The love I left behind
I still think about it all the time
Nothing stays the same
Maybe I’m to blame
Oh I, I’d do it all again…”

:)

 
 
Comment by sm_landlord
2010-01-09 16:25:23

This reminds me of people that buy houses under airport runways and then complain about the noise. Whiny children.

Comment by mikey
2010-01-10 08:01:24

“… After that fateful August 2005 storm, sales were literally gone with the wind.”

“‘After the storm, there was a huge fear of being on the water,’ Boudreaux said. ‘Katrina instilled a fear in buyers that being on the water just wasn’t a safe thing to do.’

Condo Sale — Buy NOW and be flapping in the wind and swimming with the Easter Bunny !

:)

Comment by eudemon
2010-01-10 20:54:56

I doubt every one of this clown’s quotes.

Fear doesn’t keep people away. Expense does.

Scared of a hurricane? Leave when one approaches. Pretty simple solution to allay actual fear.

Here’s the real “fear”: Buy a $400,000 McCrapshack condo on the beach. Watch a hurricane sweep it out into the Gulf or the Atlantic. Watch your belongings get swept away by a 20-foot tide or a band of sticky-fingered criminals. Listen to your insurance company tell you they aren’t going to cover squat.

Then, listen to yourself cry in your beer. Feel yourself getting bitten by sandflies in 90 degree heat as you step on nails and palm fronds. Feel the sting of a tetanus shot.

That’s not “fear”. That’s “pain in the behind”. (Perhaps our pal Boudreaux is gunning for a government handout, hence his fear? Quite possibly.)

Maybe if Boudreaux built $50,000 modulars on the beach, he’d find some takers. Like the inexpensive, modest pine log structures of old, buyers might be a tad more amenable to losing them to the forces of nature.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-09 10:34:03

“The worm has turned. It may be a slow crawl for some time yet, says Texas AgriLife Extension economist Charlie Hall, but the news is not all bad at the moment and recovery from recession seems to be in progress.”

Agricultural economists are an atypically perceptive subgroup within the larger tribe of economists.

Comment by mikey
2010-01-10 08:27:25

…the worm has turned my a$$.

Hell fool, the consumer just stomped the little wiggler with both feet and you just didn’t even notice the size 12 boot imprint on the greasy spot !

:)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-09 10:35:28

‘Greed overcame logic and rational behavior.’

BwaHaHAhAHAhaHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-09 13:59:16

“The HELOC you say!” (In Montana™) ;-)

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-09 12:03:09

Those are prices that used to be in Astoria back in ‘99… affordable to the average cop or teacher. I know we will get back there someday

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As a result, savings will be passed along to buyers, he said. One-bedroom condos will start at $99,000 and two-bedroom units at $135,000. The condos sold for about $240,000 in 2008, Blake said.”

Comment by 2banana
2010-01-09 21:28:07

Those are prices that used to be in Astoria back in ‘99… affordable to the average cop or teacher. I know we will get back there someday

Cops, firefighters and teachers are some of the best compensated jobs out there now (salaries, bennies and pensions)…

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-09 22:12:35

agreed but if you base it on 3 times current CASH salary then even $150K for a condoze is a lot of money

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-01-10 03:25:10

Cops, firefighters and teachers are some of the best compensated jobs out there now (salaries, bennies and pensions)…
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Because they were the last bastion of workers who weren’t brainwashed into thinking unions are somehow “bad.”

Rest assured, the idiots out there who decry unions will manage to tear down the only remaining thing standing between what’s left of the middle-class and other third-worlders.

So long, American middle class! It was nice while it lasted…

Comment by mikey
2010-01-10 08:36:18

Yep..Welcome to the New Middle Class America.

You’ll be very lucky if you’re treated like 3rd Class Citizens in it.

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Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-10 19:28:29

Forgotten, apparently, is that it was unions that fought for many of the benefits that middle class workers enjoyed for decades: paid vacations, pensions, a decent wage, safe working conditions, health coverage, etc. These things didn’t just happen. It wasn’t always that way.

I’d much rather see the money going to the people doing the work than those running their companies and the country into the ground.

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Comment by Mugsy
2010-01-10 08:26:25

Astoria, Jackson Heights (and my old home of) Elmhurst are insanely expensive. The only reason for this is proximity to the subway and the overflow of sub $250,000 per annum scum (yes I said it) who cannot afford to live with the poobahs in Manhattan.

I split my time growing up between Manhattan and Queens in the 60’s-70’s and believe me, Manhattan was no garden spot in those days. 42nd street had no Disneyland nonsense to speak of and you weren’t a man until you’d had to fight off gangs of like minded youth with intentions of taking everything you owned or your life. I don’t know if I could handle living in NYC anymore what with all the civility and yuppie scum freshly arrived from New Haven and Greenwich. I miss the old days…

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-11 05:52:07

I live just down the block in Sunnyside….much nicer now.

I feel safe walking home at 1130 at night like i did 2 nights ago from the 7 train.

I too remember the old 42nd st….dirty seedy but damn it was fun.

Staying out late and grand central was still open 24 hours so you could catch a train back to CT at 4 am

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-09 13:44:50

Are Congressional audit questions regarding the possible role of the PPT in the stock market rally last year off limits due to a perceived potential to compromise Fed monetary independence? I certainly hope not…

MarketWatch First Take

Jan. 5, 2010, 4:19 p.m. EST

Time for Fed to disprove PPT conspiracy theory
Commentary: Analyst charges that government is manipulating markets

Geithner ankle deep in AIG quicksand

By MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The massive stock-market rally in the past nine months is mostly due to secret government buying of stock-index futures, a respected stock-market analyst said Tuesday.

Charles Biderman, chief executive of TrimTabs Investment Research, is the latest and most credible person to charge that the Federal Reserve and the Treasury (in league with top Wall Street firms) is rigging the stock market on a daily basis.

In a special report released Tuesday, Biderman said the $6 trillion increase in U.S. stock-market capitalization since March can’t be explained by the usual sources of funds flowing into the market — such as mutual funds, direct retail investment, pension funds, hedge funds or foreign purchases. Read more about Biderman’s theory.

The only logical explanation for the extent of the rally, he suggested, is secret buying by a government committee known colloquially as the Plunge Protection Team. It’s like the dark matter that astrophysicists conjecture must be there, even if we can’t detect it.

The PPT was established by President Ronald Reagan in 1988 after the 1987 stock crash to coordinate the government’s response to market meltdowns. It consists of the Fed chairman, the Treasury secretary, the head of the Securities and Exchange Commission and the head of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.

Biderman acknowledged that he had no direct evidence that the Fed and other agencies have intervened in the stock market. But he worried about what will happen to the market if the PPT has been buying and suddenly stops.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-01-09 17:15:35

PPT, yeah right. You probably think Congress takes bribes from lobbyists. I can’t stand paranoid party-wreckers. Next you’re going to accuse Goldman of being a bunch of greedy theives. Is nothing sacred?

 
Comment by rms
2010-01-09 22:39:05

Looks like the fed/gov [is] the housing industry, the automotive industry, the pension industry, the welfare industry and Wall street market-maker too. There’s more “free market” in Putin’s Russia than here in the U.S. these days.

Comment by CA renter
2010-01-10 03:26:55

+1

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-10 20:53:26

“There’s more “free market” in Putin’s Russia than here in the U.S. these days.”

Maybe, but i’m not sure I prefer the mafia free market option. However, the mafia charges less interest than Megabank but with more stringent repayment terms.

 
 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-09 14:26:38

“If you have the money to buy, it’s the right time to buy. The cost of construction right now would be double the cost of a unit.”

Alas, it’s worth what you can sell it for “right now”, not what it cost yesterday to build.

Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-09 21:13:35

“Alas, it’s worth what you can sell it for “right now”, not what it cost yesterday to build.”

or what it might cost to rebuild tomorrow if destroyed by another hurricane.

That price also might not be so cheap if one factors in the cost of insuring the property, if it’s insurable at all.

Comment by DennisN
2010-01-10 08:41:02

Newer condominiums also can be very attractive to buyers for one big reason: Insurance costs are relatively reasonable due to stronger construction.

Hmm….I wonder what “relatively reasonable” means. That sounds like a real weasel phrase to me.

In a high-rise condo, how do you cover your windows with sheets of plywood?

Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-10 11:18:46

“Newer condominiums also can be very attractive to buyers for one big reason: Insurance costs are relatively reasonable due to stronger construction.”

Maybe. But were they built to code? That was one of the big lessons of Andrew. Much of what had built in the few years prior to Andrew was built in a period with stricter codes, but wasn’t built to code. Older housing that was built better held up better, even though the codes then were weaker.

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Comment by Dave Barnes
2010-01-09 15:17:01

“One-bedroom condos will start at $99,000 and two-bedroom units at $135,000. The condos sold for about $240,000 in 2008, Blake said.”

Oops. Strategic defaults coming to this building soon.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-09 15:46:14

Taxpayers Help Goldman Reach Height of Profit in New Skyscraper
By Christine Harper

The 140-year-old company received $10 billion in capital, guarantees on about $30 billion of debt and the ability to borrow cheaply from the Fed. The Fed’s bailout of American International Group Inc., and its decision to pay the insurer’s counterparties in full, funneled an additional $12.9 billion to Goldman Sachs.

“What was done was appropriate because the potential costs of not doing that were probably exceedingly high,” says Gary Stern, who stepped down in August as president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis. “It certainly looked very threatening.”

‘Bad Deal’

That’s not how the Goldman Sachs rescue looks to William Black, a professor of economics and law at the University of Missouri-Kansas City and a former bank regulator. He says the government has been far too generous in allowing the firm to get federal backing without either seizing equity or curbing risks.

“It’s just an unbelievably bad deal,” Black says. “We could hire any middle-tier guy or gal at Goldman, and they would tell us within 15 seconds that the deal we have made as a nation with Goldman is underpriced by many, many orders of magnitude and that we are insane.”

During the past year, Goldman Sachs’s profits and compensation outstripped those of its rivals. The firm, now the nation’s fifth-largest bank by assets, reported a record $8.44 billion in earnings for the first nine months of 2009 after setting aside $16.7 billion to pay employees. That comes to $527,192 for each person on the payroll, almost eight times the median U.S. household income.

Public Anger

The company’s stock is up 93 percent this year, above its price before Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. collapsed. Meanwhile, the U.S. unemployment rate hit a 26-year high of 10.2 percent in October before dropping to 10 percent in November.

The perception that Goldman Sachs has profited at the expense of taxpayers has fueled public anger — even jabs from the television comedy show “Saturday Night Live.” Rolling Stone writer Matt Taibbi described the firm this year as “a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity.” Conservative television commentator Glenn Beck devoted a 10- minute segment in July to diagramming Goldman Sachs’s connections to the government and arguing that taxpayers were being spun in “a web of lies.”

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-01-09 17:11:44

Goldman would never lie to the people. Not when performing god’s work.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-10 14:41:46

God’s having delusions. He thinks he’s the CEO of Goldman Sachs.

 
 
Comment by VaBeyatch in Virginia Beach
2010-01-11 11:12:49

I like that William Black guy, a lot. There are some videos of him speaking online (one was posted here some time ago.) He definitely seems like one of the good guys.

 
 
Comment by sm_landlord
2010-01-09 16:46:06

To save others the trouble…

If you would rather download the Housing Helix podcast then mess with the broken Flash app on the web page, here is the link:

http://thehousinghelix.com.s3.amazonaws.com/thehousinghelix/files/2010/01/2010.01.06-The-Housing-Helix-Podcast-Ben-Jones-Founder-The-Housing-Bubble-Blog.m4a

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-09 21:05:46

“Amarillo saw drops in employment of 1,000 to 2,500 workers each month in 2009 in every sector, with losses more dramatic last spring than later in the year, according to the analysis.”

Taking an average of 1500 job losses per month and a population of a little under 200,000 for Amarillo, that would be equivalent to around 270,000 lost jobs in San Diego County versus the 50,000 or so lost in the past year.

The jobs lost in Amarillo in the past year are big numbers, especially in a state that was considered to be doing relatively better than some others such as California.

Comment by rms
2010-01-09 22:56:59

When these Texas folks lose a job it’s welfare, 2-liter sodas and Oprah.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-01-10 00:18:15

It wasn’t that long ago that the Amarillo press was going on about how great their economy was and how housing prices were justified, even though they had gone up quite a bit.

Here’s a little news from the Lone Star state:

‘Texas collected 11.6 percent less in sales taxes in December, the ninth year-over-year decline in a row.’

‘Comptroller Susan Combs said the state collected $1.65 billion, with drops in all categories, including retailers, oil and gas and construction.’

‘Houston’s allocation was down 18.5 percent, and Dallas was down 20.5 percent.’

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/theticker/entries/2010/01/08/state_sales_tax_revenue_plunge_1.html?cxntfid=blogs_statesman_business_blog

Comment by scdave
2010-01-10 09:09:45

I was wondering how long it was going to take for the economic downturn to reach Texas…To me, it seemed like they had generated so much revenue during the $145. oil that it was going to carry them through this…

Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-10 11:25:09

“To me, it seemed like they had generated so much revenue during the $145. oil that it was going to carry them through this…”

It wasn’t that high for very long and oil is a smaller part of the Texas economy than it once was. The Texas economy is much more diversified than it was prior to the 80’s oil bust.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2010-01-10 12:22:24

‘the ninth year-over-year decline in a row’

The Dallas area has been holding at foreclosure numbers greater than the 80’s bust as since at least 2005. IMO, their bubble burst a long time ago, but just had a “bounce” compared to CA, AZ, NV, FL, etc.

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Comment by In Montana
2010-01-10 15:41:50

My nephew-the-flipper moved to DFW a couple yeas ago from socal..I’m afraid to ask how he’s doing..

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-01-10 16:38:47

Jim the Realtor just had a post about a San Diegan who moved to Texas to flip houses. Looks like he’s been pretty successful, and from the sounds of it, lots of other flippers were out there, too.

http://www.bubbleinfo.com/2010/01/09/texas-flipping/

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-10 21:01:33

‘Texas collected 11.6 percent less in sales taxes in December, the ninth year-over-year decline in a row.’

That’s interesting. Essentially, there was never any recovery in Texas following the bursting of the tech bubble. Even if one accounts for increasing internet purchases bleeding off sales tax revenue over time, it’s still astounding that HELOC-fueled purchases weren’t enough to interrupt that decline for a year or two.

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Comment by Carl Morris
2010-01-10 21:12:20

Essentially, there was never any recovery in Texas following the bursting of the tech bubble.

I suspect the same could be said for Colorado, whose home prices peaked in about 2001…the bubble just kept them from falling much after that.

 
 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-10 11:35:18

Ben,

That Daily Oklahoman story on CRE was telling, reminiscent of the bust in the 80’s, except this one isn’t due to oil. The bursting credit/property bubble is clearly impacting many areas that think they didn’t have a bubble.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-01-10 12:26:16

Long time readers will remember that Arkansas had as big a housing bubble as any place, and it popped years ago. But they don’t have much media coverage so it is underreported. Near Bentonville, they probably have as large a mcmansion bubble as any part of the US. How often do you hear that mentioned? And remember the Eric Estrada TV ads about houses there?

Oklahoma has been one of my favorite places to blog about as it shows how pervasive the HB was. Condos, in Jenks!?

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Comment by 2banana
2010-01-09 21:18:58

“Paul Kellogg, a commercial lawyer and co-owner of the bar with Cave, said he’s sorry it came to this. ‘There’s a small group of home owners who are intractably opposed to our very existence,’ he said. ‘It’s a shame they didn’t notice we were there when they moved in.’”

See this alot when yuppies and socialists move out of their socialist worker’s paradises of big cities next to a farm or (even worse) a gun club in suburbia or rural areas.

They can not believe either the noise, smell or people actually owning a gun (and not becoming a deranged killer). Think of my children they shout!!! They go nuts with protests and lawsuits. Hey dumbass, that farm or gun club has been here since the 1800s, what makes you so special?

OK – drunk rant off.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-01-10 01:02:26

I think about this when I read about the Austin condos downtown, or the West End places in Dallas. It’s a great place to party, but I wouldn’t want to live down there, much less pay 300k plus for it.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-09 23:52:04

Fed’s Hoenig backs bank break-ups where needed
Mark Felsenthal
ATLANTA
Tue Jan 5, 2010 3:18pm EST

Kansas City Federal Reserve President Thomas Hoenig speaks regarding ”Ending Government Bailouts” at the American Economic Association Conference in Atlanta, Georgia January 5, 2010. REUTERS/Tami Chappell

ATLANTA (Reuters) - A top Federal Reserve official on Tuesday backed stripping banks of risky operations, suggesting growing support for breaking up large firms to prevent excesses that could undermine financial stability.

At a meeting of top economists here, Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank President Thomas Hoenig voiced support for former Fed Chairman Paul Volcker’s recommendation that banks not be allowed to sponsor hedge or equity funds.

However, also like Volcker, Hoenig stopped short of calling for restoration of Glass-Steagall banking laws that barred large banks from affiliating with securities firms and engaging in the insurance business.

Hoenig said areas where firms engaged in risky trading or “gambling” for their own account should be separated from commercial banking activities, as Volcker had suggested.

Comment by CA renter
2010-01-10 03:32:48

Spitting into the wind, unfortunately (IMHO).

Did you see the piece where Volcker lamented the fact that the Obama administration was not listening to what he had to say? Very sad.

Comment by wmbz
2010-01-10 06:39:13

“Did you see the piece where Volcker lamented the fact that the Obama administration was not listening to what he had to say? Very sad”.

They(team Barry) never intended to ‘listen’ to Volcker, he was simply a ‘diversity’ token, period. Their game plan was clean from the very beginning.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-10 15:32:06

Are you saying Volcker is a token prudential banker in the Obama administration’s stable of hair-of-the-dog stimulators? How twisted is that?

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Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-10 21:17:32

“Did you see the piece where Volcker lamented the fact that the Obama administration was not listening to what he had to say? Very sad”.

I don’t know that it should be considered surprising, though it is sad. He’s spent much of his administration trying to work with those that would rather destroy him. He’s clearly taking the wrong advice from the wrong people and does so at his and the country’s peril.

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Comment by eudemon
2010-01-10 21:39:25

This ongoing “diversity” nonsense parallels strongly with what I believe about the 1960s/1970s era “civil rights” yammering that is still going on today, some 40 years later.

“Diversity” has outlived its utility in current form and definition. So has “civil rights”.

Time to put both on the back burner for the next 2-3 decades in favor of solving much more pressing problems that affect many times more people. You know, little things like upholding the tenets of The Constitution, and the fact that 75 million Americans might well be destitute for the next 20 to 30 years.

Fewer and fewer people have the demographic luxury to navel gaze, consider notions of self worth, and get all “hang-wringy”. They don’t make the $100K you do that makes navel gazing possible. And most never will.

Those of you that DO have that luxury need to understand that ongoing talk of “diversity” and “civil rights” as if they are pressing concerns is going to lead to quick marginalization in the not-so-distant future. You are already out of touch; soon others will recognize it, too.

Your world….along with your Great Society-era preoccupations….is ending. Those younger cannot support it economically. It’s over. You’ve bled it dry.

It’s a Brave New World out there. It’s just not yours. Not anymore.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-11 05:56:57

eudemon:

I get so many people pisssed off at me because I tell them I believe in diversity of opinion…and that includes ME!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-10 15:37:04

Don’t take your love away from me
Don’t you leave my heart in misery
If you go then I’ll be blue
‘Cause breaking up his hard to do

Remember when you held me tight
And you kissed me and it felt so right
Think of all that we’ve been through
Breaking Up Is Hard To Do

They say that breaking up is hard to do
Now I know, I know that it’s true
Don’t say that this is the end
Instead of breaking up I wish that we were making up again
We were making up again

I beg of you
Don’t say goodbye
Can’t we give our love just one more try
Come on baby, let’s start a new
‘Cause breaking up is hard to do

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-10 08:26:02

http://newhavenregister.com/articles/2010/01/10/news/a1jesse.txt

“Jes’ Me” Jackson and ACORN have a new shakedown target: The Banksters. This should be entertaining.

 
Comment by mikey
2010-01-10 09:08:11

Old Jessie is coming out and he’s on a Roll… again !

 
Comment by BlueStar
2010-01-10 12:23:03

Are you a member of the cult of the black swan?
Answer this simple question:
Are Black Swans Proliferating and are the happening with increasing frequency?

Now go to this web site to see if your answer fits with their description. Hint; Knowledge of the Donald Rumsfield doctrine of reality is required.

http://www.mi2g.com/cgi/mi2g/frameset.php?pageid=http%3A//www.mi2g.com/cgi/mi2g/press/070110.php

I was surprised that I didn’t make grade as I thought the crash of 2007-2008 was a Black Swan event but I now I see I wasn’t.

You want a Black Swan event? Think of what would happen if Obama suddenly left office? I mean he resigned because he looked out at the political mood of the nation and decided that he should step down “for the good of the nation”. Or what if he dies suddenly?
Now that would be a black swan event!

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-10 15:33:17

Black swans dwell in the land of Rummy’s unknown unknowns.

Comment by Muggy
2010-01-10 16:34:32

I’m still waiting for you to write, “Black Swan Guano Bomb” again. My wife looks at me like I’m on acid when I read that aloud.

That would make a nice t-shirt.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-10 19:22:55

How about, “I predicted the black swan guano bomb that landed on the housing bubble”?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-10 19:29:07

P.S. I apologize if I said anything offensive about your wife.
I am reminded of one of my favorite quotes, of Johannes Brahms, upon leaving a social gathering:

“If there is anyone here whom I have not insulted, I beg his pardon.”

In all honesty, my wife and I share your housing bubble pain. But I do feel truly lucky to have a wife who clearly perceives the housing market situation we face; just today, she joked with one of our kids that we probably won’t buy a home until they all move out of the house (that would be about one decade from now).

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-10 21:08:06

” But I do feel truly lucky to have a wife who clearly perceives the housing market situation we face; just today, she joked with one of our kids that we probably won’t buy a home until they all move out of the house (that would be about one decade from now).”

It seems by the time housing might be affordable enough to buy, that I’ll be close enough to retirement to not want to bother with a housing purchase, and I’m not at all close to retirement.

But if your children would be able to purchase a house, and not merely hope to inherit one, that would be progress.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-10 22:47:53

Greg –

We are in a similar boat with respect to our time horizon to retirement. We will probably buy at the bottom (be it one decade out or more) with the long-term goal of helping out our kids over the long run. For now, anyone who buys a home has to be willing to live with the risk of catching a nonperforming investment at best, or a falling-knife investment at worst. Whatever potential future appreciation normally awaits those who are willing to make a home purchase at the trough of a recession has been neutralized by the Fed’s asset support program.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-01-10 12:31:42

Ben, a MSM story on shadow foreclosure inventory in the Charlotte, NC area (the banking capitol of the South).

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/topstories/story/1171171.html

 
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