January 11, 2010

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2010-01-11 03:27:22

I just read about the bipartisan Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission that starts Wednesday, headed by Phil Angelides, a former California Treasurer. Also on the commission are some I am very familiar with: Brooksley Born, Douglas Holtz-Eaken, Bob Graham, and some others I am less familiar with: Bill Thomas, Byron Georgiou, Keith Hennessey, Heather Murren, John Thompson, Peter Wallison,

I just thought I would post Angelide’s Wikipedia bio here. He is a former real estate developer, but as Treasurer instituted conflict-of-interest requirements for CalPERs that was applauded by Eliot Spitzer, and called for reform at the the SEC. Kind of a mixed bag…

Does anyone know anything more about him or the others? Is it truly bipartisan, and are they competent players?

Comment by peter a
2010-01-11 06:55:34

There are crooks on both sides, so it truly is a bipartisan why to rip the people off some more.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 07:05:49

How are you going to find qualified experts in finance who are not also crooks? Good luck with that plan…

 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2010-01-11 07:06:29

Not sure about some of the others, but I’m pretty sure Brooksley Born is not a crook.

Comment by rms
2010-01-11 08:17:58

“You can teach a horse to deal cards, it’s all a matter of voltage!” –Captain Frank Ramsey

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-11 15:24:55

There are crooks on both sides, so it truly is a bipartisan why to rip the people off some more.

Especially when the sheeple reward you with re-election.

 
 
Comment by bink
2010-01-11 12:46:53

John W. Thompson? From Symantec? God help us.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 15:46:45

Thank god they’ve finally got a committee to save us! By December!

Oh wait…

Comment by neuromance
2010-01-11 18:51:19

Thank god they’ve finally got a committee to save us! By December!

With a former developer as its lead! Hallelujah! :-0

 
 
Comment by ahansen
2010-01-11 22:39:58

Angledes is the failed gov wannabe who campaigned as an “environmentalist.” As such he is responsible for building those endless crappy housing tracts along I-5 that will literally be underwater when the levies break– which is why he championed their rebuilding at taxpayer expense. Man personifies the word “wienie.” An egregious phony of epic proportion, he actually made Ahnode seem the better candidate.

Bill Thomas? Dear goat. Pork Barrel King who as head of the House Appropriations Committee personally helped make Bakersplat the nexus of the housing bubble. Brought BILLIONS to the big-time developers of Central California. Makes Huey Long look like a rank amateur.

These two alone will guarantee that California continues to weasel rather than reform, and their special brand of overt cronyism will milk the last cent out of what’s left of our State coffers. Unless Brooksley can somehow manage to enlist the Arianna contingent to drum them off the committee, the state is indeed doomed.

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-01-12 00:35:46

LOL. I don’t know why I am laughing, it’s all so terrible, but I can’t help myself.

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-01-11 04:30:34

Good morning HBBers.

Before I get the kids off to school I thought I’d share this with you. If temporary employment is embraced across multiple industries, we should see a big drop in sales numbers for homes. I can’t imagine even with government help how new buyers could commit to a mortgage w/the possibility of income loss perpetually hanging over their heads. I also question how someone with large breaks in income or sporadic income could be approved for a mortgage as credit tightens.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_03/b4163032935448.htm?campaign_id=rss_topStories

Comment by oxide
2010-01-11 07:03:23

Not surprising. This is just the latest step on the path toward a crowded shack and a bowl of rice a day.

Comment by combotechie
2010-01-11 07:20:16

“crowded shack” = crowded McShack.

Double up, triple up, quadriple up…

Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 08:27:19

Double up, triple up, quadriple up ??

Oh yes…Been going on now for over a year…Vacancy rates are the highest in one bedroom apartments…Its not what they want to do but they have no choice…They cannot afford to live on their own…

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Comment by polly
2010-01-11 08:56:46

I sure got a good deal movng to a new one bedroom. :)

Finished shelving the books on Saturday which was a major accomplishment. My family is stunned as they remember how long it took me to get set up in the last place. I have to keep reminding them how much easier it is too unpack when you have lots of extra space…

Currently working on the kitchen. Going better than I expected, but that still doesn’t mean I’m going to be done this week.

 
Comment by MrBubble
2010-01-11 16:28:28

Polly –

I lost track of the thread of your move. What neighborhood did you end up in?

MrBubble

 
 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-01-11 10:30:08

Glad others are using this phrase since that is the end goal: reduce everyone to a dung hut and begging for 1 bowl of rice a day. Then, the bankers can have it all… until they destroy each other fighting for the right to be the last monster ruling a graveyard.

Comment by Silverback1011
2010-01-11 11:28:46

It does seem to be heading in that direction, especially the part about the bankers killing each other off. I remember Eddie the Great recently posting a link showing a house that he considered to be a shack, but I ( amongst others ) assured him that it was actually an older, middle-class ranch house needing some renovation. He never replied. If it’s not a $ 750,000 9 BR, 6 1/2 bath spread on a golf course, I guess he can’t cope with what middle-class actually is…

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Comment by exeter
2010-01-11 17:21:19

No response is the best response your proven to be a liar and a blowhard time after time.

Right SpecialED?

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-11 16:13:06

Glad others are using this phrase since that is the end goal: reduce everyone to a dung hut and begging for 1 bowl of rice a day.

Learn to like it, serf.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-01-11 17:40:39

The serfs have a nasty habit of dragging the rich out of their mansions and igniting them (both).

 
 
 
 
Comment by polly
2010-01-11 07:44:21

My agency still hasn’t reached its combined federal campaign (fed government employee charitable giving program) goal. They are trying to get folks to pony up after getting back to work. I feel like I’m living in a world of manadatory back sales and raffles for bowling nights. Good grief - there is another e-mail. I’ve been here 5 years. I seem to recall that we always get announcements about exceeding goals. Welcome to the new normal.

Comment by laurel, md
2010-01-11 08:51:25

38 years ago I was new out of college working for a Fed agency in No Dak. For years this group had 100% participation in US savings bonds. I was not going to participate (minor stupid protest over Vietnam) the head guy (GOP appointee)would call me in every day and explain the situation. I eventually participated, to my shame.

The head guy said that he always cashed in his bonds right away because of the low return. But it still counted towards the 100% participation rate.

Comment by polly
2010-01-11 09:03:22

Bosses could get in real trouble these days for pressuring people to participate in CFC. And there are thousands of charities on the list that serve just about any cause you could want, so it isn’t an issue of ideology. I find it a very useful as there is a check box to request not giving your address to the group so you can give them money and NOT get begging letters during the rest of the year or get on their mailing list that they sell to other groups. But the DC economy is not falling off a cliff and donations must be down substantially. I don’t think they make the new goal all that different than the take from the previous year.

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Comment by Jim A.
2010-01-11 09:12:05

The CFC is a pretty well run program. Of cousre ~15 years ago I remember keyworkers beins so pressured to get 100% participation they would give you a dollar so that you would sign papers contributing a dollar to some charity. Fortunately, THAT insanity is long past, at least where I work.

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-11 09:02:17

Hey Polly…how the new commute?

Comment by polly
2010-01-11 09:15:02

Wonderful. I can be on the train for as little as 12 to 15 minutes now, and my stop is underground so I am not waiting out in the wind and the cold until the train comes. Bliss. My friends who own the investment condo in NoVA seemed torn about my good luck with this place. They were very happy for me, but they sure weren’t thrilled to hear that I go so much more space in a better location for basically the same cost. They are already losing money every month on the condo. Last thing they want to hear is that rents are going down.

I’m still unpacking and it was pretty cold this weekend so I still haven’t done any long walks to get a firm grip on the nooks and cranies of the area. I really want to get a chance to do that soon.

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Comment by Jim A.
2010-01-11 10:39:51

And of course rents going down is pretty much what we bubble believers have been preaching for awhile. Just as the rent/purchase ratio starts to return to sanity, all the new housing has put downward pressure on rents.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-11 12:48:22

Yup one day these morons will learn that “investment” means a Positive cash flow…oh well

My friends who own the investment condo in NoVA seemed torn about my good luck with this place.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-01-11 13:08:26

Well mortgages are kind of funny. The amount of interest goes down and the ammount of principal goes up until after year 30 the place is paid for. And of course in a NORMAL market rents go up in the long term. So in a non-bubble market, loosing a bit your first few years ISN’T the end of the world if you’re in it for the long term. But of course people who bought at peak on propeerties where the rental income doesn’t come CLOSE to paying the mortgage are likely to never break even. After all, they could be making other investments with the money that they’re using to feed the alligator.

 
 
 
 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-01-11 07:49:20

That’s exactly right, the push to expand the ownership society runs opposite the massive structurual changes being wrought by globalization.

The world is on the move, this is not the time to take on a stucco albatross. Obs: over the holidays my flights to Japan were packed with Chinese shuttling back and forth - hardly any Westerners and few Japanese. The world is on the move like never before.

Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 08:32:48

The world is on the move like never before ??

By that statement do you mean the world is emerging ??

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-01-11 08:41:46

A new world is most certainly emerging. One can find Chinese working on the Greek Islands, Filipinos building Dubai, Turks have been in Germany for generations, and of course it is Mexicans making my pork sausage in Iowa.

Pimping houseownership nowadyas must be a contrarian hedge against continued globalization or something.

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Comment by Eddie
2010-01-11 08:22:14

I haven’t had a ” full time job” in almost 10 years. Most of my friends don’t have “full time jobs” and we do not want one. We do OK for ourselves without a dime of W2 income. I don’t know how old you are, but the notion of a long term full time job with a company is ancient history for a lot of people, especially the youts.

There is still this sense of 1950s employment out there where you start working for IBM at 22 and retire at 65 with a gold watch. Those days are over. Those days were over 15 years ago when I entered the workforce. Within 5 years of graduating college I’d had 3 employers. I didn’t expect lifetime employment from anyone and nobody expected me to stay on for 40 years either.

And don’t think temp work = low level. I’ve been on projects where a CIO was an independent contractor. Plenty of director/vp level resources too are contracted out too.

Comment by drumminj
2010-01-11 08:33:37

I’ve been on projects where a CIO was an independent contractor

I’m working my first job as a contractor (I’ve been in the workforce ~10 years). I really don’t see how a product, let alone a company, can succeed with the workers having no skin in the game. Right now my project is slipping its date a few months. Turns out that’s bad for the company, but good for us contractors. Seems like there’s some conflict of interest there.

On top of that, when the going gets tough and we hit ‘crunch time’, it will be right at the time one should start looking for their next contract (if they’re smart, given the economy). How many people are going to leave early once they find their new gig? Yet there’s no retention package in place.

I’m not disputing anything you say, Eddie..I just question whether companies realize the tradeoff they’re making. As far as I can tell, contract employees have no incentive to work hard or take on extra responsibility - it’s not like you’re going to get a raise or promotion. Unfortunately, I’m self-motivated and am taking up the slack of everyone else. I suppose that makes me a sucker, but it’s just how I’m wired.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 09:18:47

“As far as I can tell, contract employees have no incentive to work hard or take on extra responsibility - it’s not like you’re going to get a raise or promotion.”

Are you suggesting contractors who work hard and do a good job are not more likely to win future contract bids than those who do not?

As an independent contractor in the music biz for three decades, I can say that always showing up to the gig and consistently performing well pay rich dividends in the form of future opportunity to work.

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Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-01-11 10:16:02

+1.

Contract workers are always much easier to let go than employees, hence it’s more difficult to rest on your laurels. Unless of course you’re a politically connected “consultant”, but that’s a whole ‘nother argument.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-11 12:53:37

Yup Professor:

Dependability is #1 and performing is a close second. In fact the First thing i teach a wannabe DJ is Map reading 101, and how to tune, listen and Understand the traffic reports on the AM news channel….why waste my time with someone who gets lost and flustered easily.

As an independent contractor in the music biz for three decades, I can say that always showing up to the gig and consistently performing well pay rich dividends in the form of future opportunity to work.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-11 15:11:58

The aerospace OEM I used to work for was developing a new model in the early 80s. The engineering department was short of guys in the various disciplines nneded to design and certidy the airplane, due to the fact that it was significantly more sophisticated than their earlier products, and due to layoffs during the 1981-82 recession.

Soooo…..they hired a lot of contract engineers. Big mistake. Seems that contract engineers will bale on your project, as soon as a better offer comes along. So you spend a lot of money getting people up to speed, or you get guys who want to “redesign the wheel”

Outcome? The aircraft was three years late coming to market, and design and certification costs were double what was budgeted. The fiasco caused a deep enough financial hole that it was sold to a big multi-national.

Lesson to be learned? Afterwards, they had two design teams, with the project managers being the old timers overseeing and maintaining the “institutional memory”, and the younger guys learning and doing the grunt work.

JMO, but I’d rather have 5 competent guys who are dedicated to the plan and will “show up”, than 10 “independent contractors” who may be marginally “smarter, more creative, blah, blah”, but are going to bale when a better deal comes along.

For better or worse, it seems that the rocket surgeons who run things now thing the “contractor” route is the way to go.

 
 
Comment by james
2010-01-11 10:31:50

I have a contractor here at work. His contract is structured around delivery milestones so if things go bad, it is his time.

Anyhow, he does fantastic work and I wish I could clone him a couple times.

It is a big mistake to create a bunch of failures if you are a contractor. That starts to follow you around. Most of the long term contractor guys get that.

Now, there is always some look ahead to the next job. We get that all the time in the Sat bus. Looking at the market trends and what contracts will be available. However, if it consumes you and you get a rep for abbandoning projects; it’s a pretty small family in electronics. You will not last long.

One of the trade offs is the tribal knowledge leaves the company with a contractor. When you are in a tech field, no matter how much you seem to document, you always lose something.

Anyhow, engineering is always a temporary job. You are always working yourself out of work vs automotive line worker with consumables or something like that. Of course, those jobs proved to be temporary too.

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Comment by LA Wallflower
2010-01-11 23:44:17

I got laid off October 2008 and have been freelancing since - was on unemployment as well for a year which tided me over until the checks really started coming in. I hope to never look back, I worked less than 1/3 the hours I would have at my previous day job and made more money. (*knocks on wood*)

It’s pretty amazing how often you get called back for more work when you just show up on time, be pleasant and professional, and work at even just a “competent” level.

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Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 08:37:31

Those days are over ??

Not so if you work for the government…..

Comment by Eddie
2010-01-11 08:38:51

True, if you consider receiving a paycheck from Uncle Barry as “work”.

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Comment by are they crazy
2010-01-11 09:53:05

I work at the same level of intensity no matter the job or employer. I’ve worked salary & contractor - doesn’t matter. Who is this uncle Barry you refer to that’s handing out paychecks for no work?

 
 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-01-11 08:45:21

2-3 generations of yuppie youts have been spending so much time and energy on being individually upwardly mobile that they didn’t maintain their general society. And we have the crumbling infrastructure — of all stripes — to show for it. We were able to sustain this hand-to-mouth just-in-time lifestyle only by squeezing out the last remaining value and safety margins from our older structures, from physical facilities to the innovation pipeline to the last batch of educated children.

Where did those old valuable and safe institutions come from? From people who were employed in one place long enough that they could spend their time actually improving things, rather than constantly looking for a new job, or kissing butt to keep the old job.

Comment by Eddie
2010-01-11 08:57:25

Change is always hard for some to accept, especially the older segment of the population. When I’m a geezer I’ll probably be shouting “those damned kids today are ruining everything we built up” too.

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Comment by oxide
2010-01-11 10:00:15

Sunny and mild here, compared to last week’s festival of windchill. We’re supposed to hit mid- 30’s today, and even the 40’s by the end of the week.

 
Comment by varelse
2010-01-11 11:55:32

especially when it isn’t change for the better

 
 
 
Comment by lavi d
2010-01-11 08:52:15

especially the youts.

“…da yutes”

Comment by Jim A.
2010-01-11 09:14:08

“The what?”

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Comment by lavi d
2010-01-11 10:39:39

“The what?”

Judge Chamberlain Haller: Uh… did you say ‘yutes’?
Vinny Gambini: Yeah, two yutes.
Judge Chamberlain Haller: What is a yute?

My Cousin Vinny

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-01-11 13:10:49

THAT’S the quote I was trying to allude to.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-01-11 13:26:03

THAT’S the quote I was trying to allude to.

:)

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-11 09:17:40

haven’t had a ” full time job” in almost 10 years.

I have more than a few unemployed friends who have advanced degrees and are unable to find these juicy “contract” jobs you speak of (I’m not saying they don’t exist, just that they aren’t as plentiful as you seem to imply). What I am hearing from them is that competition for these 3 month+ gigs is stiff and the bidding is competitive, seriously driving down hourly rates. Most of them are surviving on a portfolio of low paying P/T jobs: Teach 15 hours a week at the local CC, another 20 hours working at Target plus anything else they can scrounge up: selling Mary Kay, trying to get a census job, you name it.

We had an opening for a P/T shipping and receiving clerk. Hundreds applied, many with advanced degrees. We even had a guy with a degree from MIT apply!

And yet our official Unemployment Rate in the Centennial State is 6.9%! As Bender Rodriguez would say: does not compute!

Comment by oxide
2010-01-11 10:02:39

You are neglecting that Eddie “works harder” than your friends. I cannot go into specifics on what I mean by “works harder” because this is a family site.

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Comment by james
2010-01-11 10:37:25

Really still seeing some good engineering work out there. Not sure of your field.

Then a lot of engineering happens in down times. Looking at emerging or recovering markets. Planning to capture business will competition is down. Forward planning.

Not sure how regional things are. My old home state area seems to be doing very well with biotech.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-11 10:52:17

My employer does outsource engineering (EE, ME and CS). Most of my friends are EEs and MEs.

 
 
Comment by lavi d
2010-01-11 10:44:19

As Bender Rodriguez would say: does not compute!

That was no Bender. That was “Robut” on “Lost in Space”.

Bender says:

“Bite my shiny metal ass!”

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-11 12:54:22

He does say: ‘does not compute’ in one episode, but you’re right, it’s not his tagline.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-01-11 13:29:15

He does say: ‘does not compute’ in one episode, but you’re right, it’s not his tagline.

10-4. I just couldn’t resist putting a(nother) Bender quote in the HBB.

 
 
 
Comment by polly
2010-01-11 09:26:08

I company that has a Chief Information Officer that is paid as an independent contractor may very well be committing tax fraud. You can’t just decide to pay someone as a contractor because you (and the person) feel like it - there are factors that help define who is an independent contractor vs. an employee. If a person has to work in a particular location (whether the employers offices or not) during particular hours (whether regular business hours or not) and do work as assigned (as opposed to pre-defined tasks that could have been specified in a contract before the term of the contract started), they are almost certainly an employee.

Comment by GH
2010-01-11 09:46:01

Presumably the advantage of employees is that they have few tax breaks and thus pay more tax?

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-11 10:10:15

Contractors pay twice the FICA and medicare tax.

Sure, you might be able to write of some mileage expenses and your home PC, and if you’re really daring you could take a home office expense. Back when I did contract work my CPA frowned on anything beyond that. Of course I know people who write off taking their family out to dinner, etc., but they’re taking a big chance.

 
Comment by Rearden
2010-01-11 12:32:28

Not at all. You get hit with the same amount of tax whether you are a contractor or an employee — it just so happens that your employer pays you 7.65% less than you might otherwise be getting without the taxes being in place.

As a contractor, you can also manage your FICA/FUTA tax exposure to end up paying dramatically less than an employee.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-11 12:55:29

I seriously doubt that if the FICA match went that I would get an instant raise.

 
Comment by Rearden
2010-01-11 13:35:07

Probably not instant, but the market would equalize it shortly.

You definitely already get an instant raise of 10s of percent by going from employee to contractor in most cases already.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-11 14:15:21

I even doubt that. Employers would pocket the savings and be done with it.

 
 
Comment by denquiry
2010-01-11 10:23:29

What’s the difference between a contractor and part time help?

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-11 10:42:10

An employer pays FICA and medicare tax for the the part time employee.

 
Comment by polly
2010-01-11 11:10:47

Number of hours you work has nothing to do with whether you are an employee or not. There are a bunch of links here:

http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/article/0,,id=99921,00.html

You can find some explanations buried in the links.

 
 
Comment by Eddie
2010-01-11 11:08:25

You work for the federal govt correct? Figures your first reaction is related to some ridiculous labor regulation. And you wonder why the Chinese and Indians are kicking our collective asses every day. While we spend hours and thousands of dollars figuring out who is an employee in order to comply with some 1930s era law, our counterpart in China does 3 days worth of work.

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Comment by varelse
2010-01-11 11:59:41

They also do it for a couple of dollars a day. Should we be more like our Chicom contemporaries in that way as well?

 
Comment by polly
2010-01-11 12:04:27

If you don’t like the law, elect a Congress that will change it.

I have never encountered that rule while at my government job. But I spent time on it when I was an associate at a big NYC law firm and did a little with it at the big German multinational where I worked before this job.

And I told my brother about it when he was stuck paying all of his own SSI on some minimal extra income from moonlighting as a Hebrew School teacher where the school dictated the location of the work, the time of the work and the curriculum - clearly a violation. The school threatened to fire him if he made an issue of it, so he didn’t. Exactly the type of violation the rule is meant to remedy.

The rule is there to protect workers with no power in the employer/employee relationship. Being an employee gets you certain protections including the ability to collect unemployment insurance if you are laid off, keep health insurance through COBRA, get paid overtime, etc. When everyone is a contractor, the middle class safety net disappears. The fact that you are rich enough to make your own net, doesn’t mean everyone can. And the Chinese counterpart? He is doing three days work because he is working a manadatory 16 hour day with minimal safety regulations while breathing dirty air and drinking contaminated water. Awsome. Lets all do that.

 
Comment by Eddie (the Great)
2010-01-11 12:10:10

All those “protections” are costs for the employer. Which is why China and India will continue providing cheap labor that US employers will use. At some point Americans will understand that there is no such thing as a free lunch.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-01-11 13:18:03

OTOH, as an employee, your employer is the “author” of any creative content that make as part of your job. The work of a contractor is a “work made for hire,” only if your contract SPECIFICLY spells out that fact before the work was creted AND the work is one of the specified categories of created content that can be WMFH. Several companies have discovered to their dismay that their rights to works made by contractors are by default, NON-EXCLUSIVE.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-01-11 15:59:46

Several companies have discovered to their dismay that their rights to works made by contractors are by default, NON-EXCLUSIVE.

If you like it then you should have put a ring on it.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-01-11 17:29:32

If you like it then you should have put a ring on it.

Pomplamoose

via Techdirt.com

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-12 01:12:50

This is who we saw last night…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-rk37WJGJk

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 16:04:41

Uh polly, employment agencies get around that problem. That’s what they’re for.

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Comment by SUGuy
2010-01-11 20:04:19

Polly is right.

NYS is tough when it comes to independent contractors. This definition can shed some light. We follow the following rules at our company when hiring an independent contractor like graphic artists, programmers, web designers etc

THE EMPLOYER-EMPLOYEE RELATIONSHIP

The courts have found that no single factor or group of factors conclusively define an employer-employee relationship. Rather, all factors must be examined to determine the degree of supervision, direction and control. You are an employer if you control what will be done and how it will be done, i.e, the manner, means and results.
Indicators of control may include:
• determining when, where and how services will be performed
• providing facilities, equipment, tools and supplies
• directly supervising the services
• stipulating the hours of work
• requiring exclusive services
• setting the rate of pay
• requiring attendance at meetings and/or training sessions
• requiring oral or written reports
• reserving the right to review and approve the work product
• evaluating job performance
• requiring prior permission for absences
• reserving the right to terminate the services

How an individual is compensated is another indicator of worker status. Employees typically are paid a salary, an hourly rate of pay or a draw against future commissions with no requirement for repayment of unearned commissions. Employees may also receive certain fringe benefits, including an allowance or reimbursement for business or travel expenses.

The nature of the services performed is also significant in determining if a worker is an employee or an independent contractor. Unskilled or casual labor is usually employment because such services are typically subject to supervision. However, even professionals such as doctors and lawyers who have considerable freedom in the performance of their duties can be determined to be employees if they are subject to significant control.

The courts have also found that an employment relationship may exist if the employer controls important aspects of the services performed other than results and means. For example, a referral agency usually does not directly supervise the individuals it refers for assignments but it could be their employer if it controls such important aspects of the services as client contact, the individual’s wages and billing and collection from clients.

http://www.labor.state.ny.us/ui/dande/ic.shtm

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-12 01:26:13

Tough??????? are you kidding me….

Just look at the want ads today, employers violate this at every turn, and no one cares. well maybe in a large corp. But everyone wants FREE help today or commission only or the biggest abuse is the “intern” ads and I am talking from major companies like Clear Channel CBS, what was a paying job a few years ago is not today… work for the experience or have it on your resume and a letter of recommendation Pay? maybe a lunch and metro-card just try and get minimum wage.

so tough? not in my book

 
Comment by SUGuy
2010-01-12 07:36:16

When an individual reports a company abusing this relationship the fines NYS levies are huge. NYS collects the money for themselves. That is what I meant by tough.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-12 09:30:40

SUguy:

Ok maybe if they report it…it might get some attention….

Especially if you are Illegal, but an American? Hardly

 
 
 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-01-11 10:28:23

I agree about contracting, having done it for almost 15 years now. The days of job security are over, but there is still work to be had, if you’re mobile. It’s a huge competitive advantage at the moment, since so many people are underwater and stuck.

Which also means don’t tie yourself down to some overpriced stucco McPrison, at least not for 2-3 more years. The good thing is, rents are much cheaper than last year and still falling, supply is plentiful, and least terms are negotiable, almost everywhere.

Comment by Eddie
2010-01-11 11:26:29

You’re assuming one has to live in the same city where the contracts are. That’s not always the case. They have this neat invention called the internet (thank you Mr. Gore) and planes that can whisk you away to a whole new city in a couple of hours when need be.

Again, you’re stuck in a 1950s mindset.

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Comment by lavi d
2010-01-11 11:47:45

They have this neat invention called the internet (thank you Mr. Gore)

Hey Eddie,

You finally found something the government did that you are thankful for.

I’m proud of you.

 
Comment by Eddie (the Great)
2010-01-11 12:05:45

Why because the gubmt created the internet? If you want to stick with that go ahead. I’ll stick with the facts that say MIT, Stanford, SDC and RAND had the most to do with its development.

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-01-11 12:11:53

What’s the internet? I had no idea. Please explain.

My 1950’s mindset has led me to work about 1/2 remotely for 7+ years. And my points still stand, in spades. If you’re not willing to move where the work is, you have upwards of a billion people worldwide ready to compete for that work. OTOH, if you’re not tied down to your “American Dream”, you’re in an exclusive class of individuals at the moment, for work that requires lots of on-site presence (like mine does in manufacturing automation).

And you have the additional advantage that rents are much cheaper than last year and still falling, supply is plentiful, and lease terms are negotiable, almost everywhere. Still not willing to concede the point, troll?

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-01-11 12:19:19

Oh, and one other thing. It sucks having to jump on planes to deal with clients. Great for young drones, who haven’t yet figured out better.

There’s a reason we put wheels in hamster cages. Hint: it’s not for the benefit of the hamster. Keep running, little hamster.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-01-11 13:41:25

I’ll stick with the facts that say MIT, Stanford, SDC and RAND had the most to do with its development.

True, the technical achievements were made by these and others (with a lot of government funding, can you say “ARPA” as in ARPANET?) but the internet as we know it was made available, in part, as a result of congressional efforts, which is what Gore was clumsily referring to with his infamous quote.

…[Gore] sponsored the 1988 National High-Performance Computer Act (which established a national computing plan and helped link universities and libraries via a shared network) and cosponsored the Information Infrastructure and Technology Act of 1992 (which opened the Internet to commercial traffic).

http://snopes.com

 
Comment by Bub Diddley
2010-01-11 14:03:15

You’re assuming one has to live in the same city where the contracts are. That’s not always the case. They have this neat invention called the internet (thank you Mr. Gore) and planes that can whisk you away to a whole new city in a couple of hours when need be.

Again, you’re stuck in a 1950s mindset.

You are the one stuck in the past, Eddie. Jobs that can be performed virtually, and which require no face-to-face contact, will be outsourced to whoever can do it cheaper. And they will probably be in Chindia. Most of them already have been.

This will just serve to drive wages down further stateside, and make housing that much more overpriced compared to income. Which is yet another argument that prices have to come down, and that being shackled to an overpriced house is a bad idea in the current environment.

The only jobs that are truly safe from outsourcing are ones that require face-to-face interaction, or ones that require physically touching and moving three dimensional objects.

 
Comment by polly
2010-01-11 15:16:57

Needing to be a US citizen who has passed a security background check helps too.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-11 15:42:51

“…..still work to be had, if you are mobile.”

A lot of industries are down 40% from 2007. I’m finding that there is so much slack in demand, that people looking for contract help are low balling the contract help.

So my choices are to pick up whatever minimal work I can locally, live in a bunker, and hope demand picks up. or decamp and move 1000-1500 miles and live in a tent, to pick up a full time/contract job that pays $15-20/hour.

But it’s just like it has always been…….when/if business picks up, there will be all kinds of money to throw at people. The trick is to survive until/if that happens.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 16:15:26

What a load of bollocks.

Not everyone can be a contractor. Not everyone can be mobile. Not everything can be done by the Internet. Not everyone can even use a PC productively. To most people, it’s still a very complicated novelty.

Again, without stable employment, our 75% consumer driven economy is finished.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-01-11 16:17:22

Why would you live in a tent? (Or was that a figure of speech.)

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-11 16:31:32

Again, without stable employment, our 75% consumer driven economy is finished.

Bingo. No steady income = no consumers, especially consumers willing to borrow against future income.

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-01-11 13:08:56

Eddie, the point is not only can you still find work. It is what will your paycheck and benefit package be and does it make sense vis a vis your previously made obligations. Kind of scary when you’re also trying to size up how, if the currency fails, your stashes will fare.

Course, I’m still thinking like the cautious girl I am instead of the “oh, the government will save me if I get into any trouble American way.” You’re right. I am quite the anachronishm.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 15:54:17

You will, eventually, see a big drop in house sales CarrieAnn. In fact, there wouldn’t have even been a bubble if they had not started scraping the bottom of the barrel to fuel both the RE industry and the securities racket.

Not only is future demand tapped out, but so are the least qualified of borrowers.

Without gainful (now there’s a word you don’t see any more) employment, residential RE is done for a long time. Even with price drops, wages an job stability are simply not in sync.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 04:40:19

FOREX-Dollar falls on weak jobs data, Fed comment.
Jan 11, 2010

LONDON, Jan 11 (Reuters) - The dollar fell broadly on Monday in the wake of weak U.S. jobs data and comments from a Federal Reserve official that U.S. interest rates are likely to stay low for quite some time.

But strong Chinese export data boosted optimism that the global economy is recovering, led by Asia. This lifted investor appetite for risk which helped the euro and commodity-linked currencies such as the Australian dollar.

Data on Friday showed U.S. employers cut 85,000 jobs last month, disappointing many who had expected the U.S. economy to stop losing jobs and offsetting a revision to November payrolls that showed 4,000 jobs were added.

The dollar extended falls on Monday after St. Louis Federal Reserve Bank President James Bullard said rates may remain low for quite some time, although he said Fed policy was unlikely to be pushed off course by December’s jobs data.

“Expectations of the speed and scale of Fed tightening received a set-back from the weak payrolls numbers,” said Chris Turner, head of currency strategy at ING in London.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 07:03:35

Is this an indication the “strong dollar” policy is working (at least in a twisted propagandistic sort of way)?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 09:20:28

Who moved my strong dollar? From Bloomberg dot com:

CURRENCY VALUE CHANGE % CHANGE TIME
EUR-USD 1.4540 0.0130 0.9027% 11:08
GBP-USD 1.6165 0.0142 0.8843% 11:08
USD-CHF 1.0158 -0.0080 -0.7766% 11:08
USD-SEK 7.0206 -0.0558 -0.7885% 11:08
USD-DKK 5.1183 -0.0460 -0.8917% 11:08
USD-NOK 5.6227 -0.0441 -0.7776% 11:08
USD-CZK 18.0070 -0.2362 -1.2950% 11:08
USD-SKK 20.7230 -0.1812 -0.8667% 11:08
USD-PLN 2.7967 -0.0257 -0.9106% 11:08
USD-HUF 183.8210 -2.0167 -1.0852% 11:08
USD-RUB 29.2980 -0.4771 -1.6024% 11:08
USD-TRY 1.4530 -0.0055 -0.3771% 11:08
USD-ILS 3.6862 -0.0210 -0.5665% 11:08
USD-KES 75.2170 -0.2325 -0.3082% 09:05
USD-ZAR 7.3492 -0.0047 -0.0645% 11:08
USD-MAD 7.8053 -0.0555 -0.7064% 11:08

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 07:28:12

Half a million newly out of work, more than that drop off the benefits roll, so unemployment is down. Risk appetite grows on the news.

I had a business once making stuff. The stuff wasn’t selling but I kept making it anyway. The value of my inventory went up and I was actually showing a profit, without any sales. China says they are making a s..load of their cracker jack cars. Do we know if anyone is buying them? Do we know if it is the government that is buying them? Their exports are down, but their GDP is skyrocketing. Sniff, sniff. Smells like USA GDP numbers, but stronger.

Comment by BlueStar
2010-01-11 09:23:50

If they are not buying more cars then the record oil imports would be why?? Over the last week the Chinese have purchased millions of barrels of oil storage in the Caribbean, signed billion dollar long term contracts with S. America and are out biding western oil companies in Iraq. America=Rome when the grain imports failed.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 09:50:39

You may be right on the Rome thing, and hopefully the hords from Canada do not overrun us.

Buying up storage could be different than consumption. Goldman Sacs has been buying up storage too, but they don’t consume.

I’m skeptical of the headlines is all.

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Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-01-11 09:53:12

I can’t help but ask, with the Chinese buying all that oil up at today’s prices, what would happen if oil prices took a 1980s-style dive?

Are the Chinese truly ahead of the curve on this or are our boyz still the greatest con artists of all time? I honestly don’t know - but look forward to someday finding out.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-11 15:46:50

They walked away from a oil hedge contract last week, telling Goldman Sucks to go pound sand.

The new SOP? I’m guessing yes. So much for “creative finance”.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-01-11 16:24:49

I’m sure Goldman has coverage for that through you, me, and AIG.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-01-11 17:13:13

You’ve got me imagining something to the tune of “Me and Bobby McGee”.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-11 10:31:23

I’m sure that the aggregate number of cars on the road in China is increasing, but whether or not they are really “selling” 13 million cars a year is another matter.

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Comment by james
2010-01-11 10:41:24

What is the bs about crops failing? It is the middle of winter and the dirt farmers are on vacation.

Now, the orange crop in Fla might be in trouble and this might mean hefty profits for California.

So, were looking at another record cold stretch. Hmmm. Global warming my backside.

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Comment by MrBubble
2010-01-11 16:38:33

Average temperature is increasing. Just because it’s not hot outside your door doesn’t make global warming your backside.

It’s your head inside the backside that’s keeping you in the dark.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Mugsy
2010-01-11 05:28:40

Where’s WMBZ with my news???? Grrrrrrr!!!!!!!!

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-01-11 07:17:08

It got down to the teens overnight here in the Carolinas. Maybe he hasn’t thawed out yet.

Comment by wolfgirl
2010-01-11 08:15:35

I know I haven’t.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-01-11 08:58:42

It got down to the teens overnight here in the Carolinas. Maybe he hasn’t thawed out yet.

You can’t trust those yutes to do anything right.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-11 15:49:17

Today, it got up above 20 degrees for the first time since December 23rd.

I’m done with all this “character building”

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Comment by packman
2010-01-11 20:28:55

I’m down here in on vacation in Florida - south Florida actually. It got down to 28 here the last two nights. I was looking forward to the warm weather. Oh well.

It’s supposed be nice at least by the end of the week.

P.S. an observation - there is TONS of empty retail space here in Bradenton. All kinds of “for lease” office space signs - much moreso than the last time we came down, last summer.

P.P.S. another observation - Southwest airlines will not take cash for their drinks.

(Just for you combo :razz:)

 
 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 08:45:19

I agree Mugsy…I looked forward to reading wmbz & Pbear’s post along with some others…

 
 
Comment by Mugsy
2010-01-11 05:30:28

Seeing as how my comments aren’t showing up, maybe he has already posted the news and I’m just being impatient…

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-11 05:47:33

Well we saw this band last night….wild and carzy show:

http://www.redhotmojo.com/

 
 
Comment by Mugsy
2010-01-11 05:32:14

I’m referring to WMBZ. The first post didn’t show up :(

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 05:58:08

US commercial property attracts new wave of money. (FT)

The beleaguered US commercial real estate sector has been attracting a new wave of money from sources including foreign banks, US private equity firms, and a leading Chinese sovereign wealth fund.

Market participants warn that the activity represents “bottom-feeding” by opportunistic investors whose strategies could be derailed by rising interest rates. Also, sums are tiny compared with the debts that need refinancing. Nevertheless, the growing interest from investors is a sign of stabilisation, making it less likely that worsening commercial real estate conditions will sink banks and choke off a US recovery.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 08:43:03

‘Market participants warn that the activity represents “bottom-feeding” by opportunistic investors whose strategies could be derailed by rising interest rates.’

Let the specuvestors engorge themselves on the easy-money fueled ‘bottom-feeding’ opportunities, then pull out the rug from under them with tighter money once the recovery is strongly underway…

Wasn’t that pretty much how the early-1990s real estate bust resolved?

Comment by Rental Watch
2010-01-11 09:40:57

During the 90’s, people started investing once banks started failing (buying from the RTC then; the FDIC and banks directly now), and made lots of money. I’m not sure you can point to many people who “bought too early” in the 90’s, if what they bought was from the RTC.

FWIW, the low Fed rates today are not getting any farther than the banks and conforming home buyers. On the other side of the banks for all other types of debt, credit is tight, and rates aren’t nearly as low (LTV of 50-60%, floors on interest rates, giving banks ungodly spreads over their cost of capital). I would wager that people who are buying commercial today are going to do just fine, ESPECIALLY if they are buying projects with problems (and thus can buy them for far below replacement cost)

When inflation rears it’s ugly head, there will be higher rates. But with commercial RE, inflation will generally manifest itself as higher rents.

Comment by milkcrate
2010-01-11 10:59:35

Thoughtful post Rental, as usual, appreciated.

We’re looking for some near-term deflation in CRE rates. The family business has a five year lease expiring, and it is written with an option to extend for 10 percent increase. This naturally was written by LL. I hold no ill will to this party, but I expect the lease to be renegotiated for perhaps 10 percent less, given nearby vacancies and the septic-like economy hereabouts.
We expect that inflation some day but don’t know when.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2010-01-11 18:00:54

Two thoughts for you:

1. Strike your deal now (meaning in the next couple of quarters), and refuse to have CPI increases in your lease; or

2. Consider buying your space. You can potentially buy your space for less than replacement cost, reduce your monthly cost vis-a-vis renting, get the benefit of depreciation, eliminate the possibility of having inflation sting you for future rent negotiations, and get banks to lend you close to 90% for the acquisition via an SBA loan (the other area where capital is available).

 
 
Comment by cashedin05
2010-01-11 23:34:19

“inflation will generally manifest itself as higher rents”

Small retail businesses are dropping like flies in my neck of the woods (Phoenix). Higher rents…I don’t think so.

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Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 09:02:59

the growing interest from investors is a sign of stabilisation ??

Insert “Parana” for investor and your getting closer to the truth…They are not refinancing these loans they are buying them from distressed lenders at HUGE discounts then re-negociating the terms with the owner with the threat of forclosure if they don’t agree…These guys are pirates “big time” and are taking control of a lot of real estate….

Comment by Rental Watch
2010-01-11 09:44:45

One of the curious things today is that banks are approaching their own borrowers to buy the debt on their projects.

If banks go onto the open market with their troubled debt, they might get $0.20 on the dollar. If, however, they go to their borrower, the borrower can go to the equity holders in the real estate and perhaps drum up the cash to pay $0.40 (or more). This would generally be less than market value for the property. In such case the bank does better, and the equity holders put more capital in the game, control their own destiny, and give themselves a chance to recoup some (or all+) or their equity in the deal.

 
Comment by Al
2010-01-11 11:00:03

“Insert “Parana” for investor and your getting closer to the truth…”

Given a choice, better private piranhas than government sucker fish.

Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 13:59:57

No disagreement here…

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Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 06:07:23

Clipped from: Money and Markets. ~ Martin Weiss ~ 1-11-10

The unemployment report on Friday was an unmitigated disaster. Based on the government’s payroll survey, the economy shed 85,000 jobs in December, many more than analysts had expected.

Worse, based on its separate household survey, the government reported that the job losses in December were 589,000 — over SIX times more.

So which of the two figures better reflects the true number of jobs lost last month — 85,000 or 589,000 jobs? According to John Williams’ Shadow Government Statistics, it’s clearly the latter. Strip out the faulty seasonal adjustments from the government payroll survey, he says, and it would ALSO show job declines of about 500,000 in December!

Result: Williams estimates that official unemployment is actually closer to 10.2 percent (instead of the 10 percent reported).

Moreover …
The government also publishes a broader measure of unemployment, which has now risen to the Depression-era level of 17.3 percent. This includes discouraged workers who have given up looking for a job for up to a year, plus part-time workers seeking full-time employment.

If you include ALL workers who have given up looking for a job (as the government used to before the Clinton administration changed the definition), Williams estimates that the TRUE, all-inclusive unemployment rate is now close to 21.9 percent!

And most shocking of all, we are suffering this chronic high unemployment despite the greatest government stimulus of all time.
Between monetary and fiscal stimulus packages and programs, Jim Grant, editor of Interest Rate Observer, estimates that the U.S. government has already poured in amounts equivalent to at least 30 percent of GDP. That’s over three times more than the stimulus in the first years of the Great Depression … and TEN times more than the average stimulus during eight U.S. recessions following World War II.

The big problem: Instead of going into job creation as intended, most of this Washington funny money is flowing into other assets, including U.S. stocks.

Comment by NoSingleOne
2010-01-11 06:54:55

“If you include ALL workers who have given up looking for a job (as the government used to before the Clinton administration changed the definition)…

Good point. Reminds me also of how the Reagan administration changed the definition of the Consumer Price Index to hide inflation and falsely bolster the GDP 2 years after Carter.

Comment by BlueStar
2010-01-11 09:49:39

I remember when they stopped counting discharged military as unemployed right about that time. This was just after Dick Cheney took a meat cleaver to the defense programs. I was working on the A-12 for the Navy and it was canceled with about 24 hours notice. Not to fear though, General Dynamics ended up with huge settlement and then kept the cash and sold the Aircraft division to Lockheed.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-01-11 13:25:36

I have to say, I had high hopes for the flying Dorito. The problem is that EVERYTHING comes in above budget and behind schedule, because anybody who bid a reasonable budget and acheivable schedule won’t get the contract. That makes it difficult for program managers to figure out which programs are in crisis and which are proceeding normally.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 07:01:12

The US right now looks like a guy who has lost his job, gets up and dressed in the morning and drives off to the park to feed the birds, and stops to draw on his credit line on the way home to the smiling wife and kids.

Comment by AbsoluteBeginner
2010-01-11 07:42:36

DFENS

Comment by Anthony
2010-01-11 09:23:22

I loved that movie! But of course most hated it, because it exposed what everyone is thinking, but is too politically correct to say.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-11 16:22:26

One in five males in this country is out of work. That’s a lot of potential DFENS who feel used, discarded, and mad as hell.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-12 01:51:26

Yes Sammy But I have a Dream….to make zydeco music mainstream either that or move to my moms basement…

But what i am shocked at is how much Business prejudice there is against black musicians who sing in English and don’t act all ghetto…..I think that’s why I don’t have a weekly gig yet for all of you to come to.

 
 
 
Comment by DinOR
2010-01-11 07:58:43

Blue Skye,

What a depressing note to start Monday off with.

But true.

I heard Horizon Bank is the first victim to be shut down in 2010. Hey, ’somebody’ had to be first?

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 08:23:35

Maybe, but getting depressed is a choice! So is honesty in information from our overlords.

On a happier note, I’ve two warrior sons returned to the USA over the weekend, safe and sound.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 08:40:24

“Maybe, but getting depressed is a choice!”

It took me years to learn that all-important lesson.

“On a happier note, I’ve two warrior sons returned to the USA over the weekend, safe and sound.”

That must be a great relief. Do they get to stay on US soil from here on out?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 09:02:37

Prof, one has two weeks, the other six months.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 09:14:41

Thats great news Blue Skye…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 09:22:04

“…one has two weeks, the other six months…”

Life is precious; every day is a gift.

Enjoy your time with your sons.

 
 
Comment by Bad Chile
2010-01-11 10:19:35

With only one bank shutdown so far this year, we’re on pace to have only 1/3 the number of bank failures as last year!

All is good!
(Not)

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 07:33:22

“So which of the two figures better reflects the true number of jobs lost last month — 85,000 or 589,000 jobs?”

Do I detect a slight credibility gap in those numbers?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 16:27:01

The Great Depression’s UE was 25%.

I’d say we’re there.

 
 
Comment by In Montana
2010-01-11 06:41:59

Good thing all real estate is local. http://tinyurl.com/ygl3sje

‘While there are modest hopes for 2010, it’s unlikely the local market will turn around before the national one does, said Teri Polumsky, co-owner and managing broker at By Owner Hamilton.

‘“The problems with the national economy have created that much less demand here,” she said. “We do not have people moving in from the areas that we typically had such a big percentage of people moving from. The people who can not sell their house in California or Washington or Florida cannot move here now. So it’s the general national real estate market that has much more to do with it.”’

Comment by DinOR
2010-01-11 08:00:42

“The problems with the national economy”

Blah, blah, blah. Here we go again with the cart before the horse.

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-01-11 08:46:14

Someone from the industry saying effectively, “it’s not different here”? My, perhaps we’re starting at long last to move into the next phase of the cycle.

Comment by In Montana
2010-01-11 09:34:32

That’s what I thought. However, here in Missoula real estate is still local… /sn

Comment by Al
2010-01-11 11:03:51

Hmmm, new slogan for used house sellers:

“What BS do I need to spew to get you into a house?”

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Comment by peter a
2010-01-11 07:14:47

I have noticed the price of solar panels systems, has gone up nearly double for some models. I think this is the cash for caulker effect.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-01-11 08:49:22

You must not be shopping very thoroughly. Prices for panels have dropped 30-40% since mid 2008 because of the worldwide glut.

Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 09:26:46

IMO, just like the electric car, the solar gig has not reached scale yet…Wait until those four massive factories come on line in China…

Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-01-11 10:12:40

They already have, for solar panels! That’s why there’s a glut, but no one knows if the quality is any good, and it takes years in service to find out.

As for the electric cars, no massive factories until they get the battery issues solved, which they haven’t and most likely won’t any time in the next decade or two.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 16:42:48

All hybrids use batteries.

The battery problem is solved and steadily improving.

In a decade, electric cars will be the norm.

 
Comment by Watching the Carnage
2010-01-11 19:48:23

What power source charges those batteries?

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-11 10:19:23

If I buy a solar panel, I want one that will last more than a few years.

Our over the stove microwave (10 years old) just died. Will definitely be repairing it (it probably just needs a new magnatron). I wouldn’t buy a new one, as I expect even the fancy $500 ones are now made in China and will break after 2-3 years of use. I’m also going to tell the repairman to avoid Chinese parts if possible.

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Comment by oxide
2010-01-11 10:23:05

and we’ll be buying our solar panels from China too, just like we buy everything else from China. :roll:

On a helpful(?) note, remember the Cascadian Farm high-price frozen organic broccoli, product of China? I checked it again in the store, and now it’s a product of Mexico. Hey, at least we got it back to this hemisphere. On the other hand, I’ve noticed that stores are getting pretty lax on their country-of-origin labeling in the produce section.

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Comment by milkcrate
2010-01-11 11:06:00

I buy Florida’s Natural orange juice, not a gram of Brazilian solids in the carton.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-01-11 13:06:51

And I bet you pay extra to have that “Florida” plastered on it. I’m thinking of unlabeled frozen OJ, which is a “mixture from one or more of the following: USA, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Spain.”

 
Comment by milkcrate
2010-01-11 13:15:34

Pay more for a better product, yes.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 16:45:34

Florida OJ is not and never will be “gourmet.” It’s just damn OJ for cryin’ out loud! :lol:

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 07:15:57

Does anyone else besides me detect numerous hints in the article posted below that the Chinese housing bubble is inflating as an echo of its U.S. symbiont, with maybe a five-year lag? When this bubble bursts, it will make the U.S. housing bubble seem more like a soap bubble by comparison.

Page last updated at 04:17 GMT, Monday, 11 January 2010
China orders low-cost housing against property bubble
By Chris Hogg
BBC News, Shanghai

A Chinese woman walks past a property sales office at the Central Business District in Beijing

The Chinese government is offering incentives to homebuyers

China’s city governments and ministries have been told to build more low cost housing.

They have also been ordered to push property developers to complete projects more quickly in order to help ease property prices.

The directive has come from the country’s cabinet, the State Council, amid fears of a property bubble.

It also says it wants to prevent speculative foreign investment pushing up prices even further.

China’s leaders are worried that house prices in many cities here are rising too fast now.

Hot money

If too many Chinese are priced out of the market, it could stir economic and social instability.

Last year China’s banks issued $1.5 trillion (£932 bn) worth of new loans to help ease the country through the financial crisis.

It is thought around a sixth of the total flowed into the property sector and there are some here who worry it is now overheating.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-01-11 07:58:44

Well, at least they have the (advertised) political ideology to justify their attempts at central planning. Now let’s see if they are any more successful than their predecessors.

 
Comment by yensoy
2010-01-11 12:18:35

Supply of housing is the least of their problems. Their actions are like the US Govt telling Toll Brothers et al to keep building more cookie cutter homes to rein in price increases. We know where that lead to.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 07:17:07

ahansen,

Did you recover from your illness? Perhaps I missed your update, but wonder why you’re not posting.

How did Mrs. Miller make out with the Christmas fund?

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-01-11 10:28:12

IIRC, she had another surgery scheduled in mid-to-late Jan, and said she was heading offline for a while…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 07:21:14

Hair-of-the-dog housing bubble reflation efforts seem to be working quite well these days.

01-07-2010 17:04
Creating Another Housing Bubble?

By Doug Bandow

The U.S. Congress doesn’t know when to quit. Legislators recently extended the scandal-marred $8,000 homebuyer tax credit. Another $11 billion will be wasted.

Ground zero of the 2008 financial crash was the politically-driven collapse in the housing market. Several years ago Rep. Barney Frank, now chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, declared: “I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation toward subsidized housing.”

Congress rolled the dice a lot and we all are paying the bill.

So far the homebuyer tax credit has cost $10 billion. By one estimate that ran $75,000 per new house sold.

However, the credit is barely a rounding error compared to losses by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. These two “government-sponsored enterprises” (GSEs) promoted both subprime lending and mortgage securitization, which turned bad mortgages into bad securities.

Today Fannie and Freddie underwrite $5.4 trillion worth of private home mortgages. Yet in early November Fannie Mae announced a third-quarter loss of $19 billion, making $102 billion in losses over the last two years. Fannie requested another $15 billion in taxpayer aid.

Freddie Mac lost “only” $6.3 billion in the third quarter, but overall has been an even bigger financial black hole, dropping $121 billion over the last 14 months. On Christmas Eve, the administration announced that it would provide an unlimited credit line for the two companies.

The Federal Housing Administration insured more than $360 billion worth of mortgages over the last year, twice the amount in 2008 and four times as much as the year before. Today the agency is requiring just a 3.5 percent down payment.

The FHA’s share of new loans went from 2.7 percent in 2006 to 23 percent earlier last year, and the agency moved into high-priced cities. One young San Francisco borrower told The New York Times that “It was kind of crazy we could get this big a loan.

FHA capital reserves have fallen to 0.53 percent, well under the congressionally mandated 2 percent. Defaults on FHA-backed loans are now 8.3 percent, up from 6.1 percent a year ago. A fifth of agency-guaranteed loans are considered to be “seriously delinquent.”

Under pressure, the FHA has proposed raising capital standards and credit scores. Still, FHA Commissioner David Stevens warns against the temptation to “overcorrect.”

Government National Mortgage Association, or Ginnie Mae, also is expanding its issuance of guaranteed mortgage-backed securities. The organization is backing 27 mortgage companies “with a history of reckless lending, fines or other sanctions by state and federal regulators or civil lawsuits,” according to the Washington Post.

Yet, in June, Ginnie Mae issued a monthly record of $43 billion worth of guarantee securities. Financial exposure is expected to rise from $577 billion in 2008 to $1 trillion by the end of this year.

The Community Reinvestment Act was used by ACORN and similar groups to extort money from banks seeking merger approval. More important, CRA pressed banks to make loans to unqualified borrowers.

CRA commitments currently exceed $6 trillion (compared to just $9 billion between 1977 and 1991). Edward Pinto reports in City Journal that CRA loans “constitute toxic lending ― that is, lending that leads to unsustainable loans, resulting in an unacceptable level of foreclosures.”

Yet Congress is considering expanding CRA to credit unions, insurance companies, and mortgage lenders. The Obama administration declared that “rigorous application of the Community Reinvestment Act should be a core function of” its proposed Consumer Financial Protection Agency.

Some policymakers simply don’t worry about big loan losses. Said Rep. Frank: “I don’t think it’s a bad thing that the bad loans occurred. It was an effort to keep prices from falling too fast.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 16:54:23

They can play with the numbers all they like, but there are simply not enough people who can afford to buy a house in anywhere NEAR the number they were.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-01-11 07:25:17

It seems to me that the housing situation is this: in much of the country, housing prices are back to normal measures of affordability, but only given ultra-low interest rates. The REIC is now dismissing the possibility of an overshoot on the downside, even as they try with all their might to prevent it.

The question is, can interest rates remain low while debt funded stimulus remains this high long enough to soak up all that inventory, even with historically low construction and growing abandonment?

Comment by WT Economist
2010-01-11 07:28:10

Also, will low prices in many parts of the country affect the places where prices remain too high (ie. NY) by drawing away people and businesses?

You may recall that the 1980s Texas bubble was in production, which led to low prices, while in NY the bubble was in price, which took a long time to go down. I remember JC Penny, among others, moving their headquarters and hundreds of employees to Texas for cost of living reasons in the late 1980s.

Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 09:39:34

moving their headquarters and hundreds of employees to Texas ??

Arizona & New Mexico also come to mind….

 
 
Comment by NoSingleOne
2010-01-11 07:44:34

I think once the FHA crashes, the TARP bailout phases out, and the Dow starts to falter again (which will cause a panic), THEN you’ll see interest rates rise. I’d give it a year at the most.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 08:18:03

WT’s question makes me wonder. What is that normal thing being referenced? What used to be?

Housing price mean hasn’t fallen much yet, supposedly in the range now of $225K in the NE and similar in the West. Household income used to be $50K. Is 4.5:1 “normally affordable”? Does 18 million people out of work affect that average household income to the downside? For the half of the working people who do not work for the government and might well loose some income in the near future, would taking out a 30 year mortgage remotely be considered “normal”?

Without extrapolating into the non-recovery years ahead, I’d venture that a median house price below $140K is “normally affordable”, but one would be a fool to pay by that standard when there are millions and millions too many houses and half a million jobs are lost a month.

Comment by SaladSD
2010-01-11 11:55:12

Plus, I’ve read that people who have recently found new jobs are earning 25% less than their previous salaries.

Comment by Eddie (the Great)
2010-01-11 12:07:07

Meaning their previous job was overpaying by 33%.

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Comment by nycjoe
2010-01-11 12:31:31

Five or 10 years ago, it seemed when people got the boot, you’d feel sorry for them for a few weeks, and then hear they’d gotten a nice gig with a big bump in salary. Haven’t heard that kind of tale in several years.

We all know now that if we lose our job, we’re out riding the big swells without a life jacket as the ship sails off.

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Comment by lavi d
2010-01-11 13:24:13

We all know now that if we lose our job, we’re out riding the big swells without a life jacket as the ship sails off.

How terrifyingly poetic.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-11 16:28:03

Five or 10 years ago, it seemed when people got the boot, you’d feel sorry for them for a few weeks, and then hear they’d gotten a nice gig with a big bump in salary. Haven’t heard that kind of tale in several years.

Oh, but you will. Wait till you see the payola Chris Dodd stands to gain from the financial services sector once he quits being a “public servant” (retch) and lines up a fat gig with a K Street lobbying firm.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 12:35:09

I have the same job and am earning a lot less. Last year the company slashed jobs and slashed pay for those left, plus instituted forlough (unpaid) time. I do not think our situation is all that unique.

Things are worse for a few friends that run their own business.

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Comment by SaladSD
2010-01-11 13:46:09

Come on, Blue Sky, Mr. SRSS (self-righteous show-off snob) says you were overpaid, therefore your current lower salary is “just right”.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 14:12:53

sssshhhh…I don’t think he has a life jacket.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Eddie
2010-01-11 09:05:43

There is no way in hell Obama allows interest rates to rise. Not unless he wants every Democrat running for Senate to lose in November that is.

And yes I know Obama doesn’t control interest rates, The Fed is independent. And if you believe that, I have some nice Nebraska beachfront property to show you as well.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 09:23:52

Please cite a shard of evidence that the Fed is not independent of the White House, as otherwise we will all have to conclude you are making up stories again.

Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-01-11 09:50:24

Obama reappointed Bernanke, didn’t he? Wouldn’t he have picked someone else, or at least complained loudly and threatened to, if he didn’t like the direction of interest rates?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 10:39:47

“Wouldn’t he have picked someone else, or at least complained loudly and threatened to, if he didn’t like the direction of interest rates?”

Not necessarily. Case in point: Jimmy Carter appointed Paul Volcker.

 
Comment by Al
2010-01-11 11:20:48

Even if Bernanke does exactly what Obama tells him, the Fed only controls a very limited band of rates. Ultimately the market decides much. Treasury auctions could be the next ‘Idol’.

 
Comment by yensoy
2010-01-11 12:21:01

Neither Obama nor Bernanke have the final say on interest rates. That privilege belongs to Mr Hu.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 12:36:35

Hu’s on first?

 
Comment by yensoy
2010-01-11 12:41:41

Hu or Wen will raise interest rates?

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 13:29:27

I hear your Ma calling you.

 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-11 16:30:23

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a4PnUdySIink

The Fed is desperately trying to stave off an audit or being forced to explain their secret deals with anonymous (to you) banks. Sounds like they’ve got a lot to hide.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 07:26:49

What does the FHA have against the financially prudent? Aren’t financially stable households the type to whom you would want to loan federal money (if anyone), as they are the most likely to repay it? Instead, our Congress appears to prefer pouring your tax dollars down subprime mortgage lending rat holes.

FHA’s dilemma - back loans, stay solvent
Robert Selna, Chronicle Staff Writer
Saturday, January 9, 2010

Keally McBride and her husband both have good jobs and credit scores, but they would not have been able to buy their three-bedroom home in Oakland’s Grand Lake area if not for Federal Housing Administration insurance that allowed them to put down just 3.5 percent.
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McBride and buyers like her boosted the popularity of FHA-backed mortgages to historic highs in the Bay Area and across the nation in 2009 after subprime financing evaporated and as private insurers became increasingly reluctant to cover mortgages with down payments of less than 20 percent.

But now 1 in 6 FHA borrowers nationwide is behind on payments, and the FHA’s backup reserve fund is below the congressionally mandated minimum. McBride, who is in good standing on her loan, is not among them. The delinquencies have led to concerns by members of Congress and a call by FHA administrators for program changes by the end of January.

As reforms are being debated, the FHA is trying to strike a delicate balance. The agency must ensure that its program remains solvent, while not making changes that are so restrictive that they knock a large number of buyers out of the market - and stymie the burgeoning housing recovery.

“The people I know who are trying to buy a home for the first time have strong salaries and credit, but they don’t have the 20 percent for a down payment,” said McBride, a University of San Francisco professor who sold a $300,000, six-bedroom house in Philadelphia and moved to the Bay Area in 2007.

Comment by lavi d
2010-01-11 10:26:02

…while not making changes that are so restrictive that they knock a large number of buyers out of the market - and stymie the burgeoning housing recovery.

Welcome to Crazy World,where inflated house-prices supported by suicide loans constitutes a “recovery”

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 16:59:09

So they’re just now finding out that most people don’t make 100k+ a year and that the market for 150K+ houses is limited?

That must be more of that “unexpected”.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 07:30:28

Is ‘culture’ truly synonymous with ‘theft’? I was unaware of that…

Why bankers’ bonus culture is not going away
CLANCY YEATES
January 9, 2010

SHAREMARKETS are back to 15-month highs, but most investors face a much longer wait before their assets make a full recovery. For those working in financial markets, however, that lucrative perk of the industry - the oversized performance bonus - remains solidly intact.

Although the huge pay packets dished out to investment bankers dwindled in 2008, last year saw a return to six and seven-figure bonuses, which can double or triple the pay of the (mainly) young, well-dressed men working around Collins Street.

And despite attempts to curb the excess, bankers around the world are staunchly defending their perceived right to absurdly high pay. In the latest attempt to keep the money flowing, Goldman Sachs this week threatened to abandon key offices in London if the City does not dump a 50 per cent tax on bonuses above £25,000 ($A44,000). This followed a similar threat by JPMorgan.

Wall Street’s three biggest banks, meanwhile, paid their staff a staggering $US30 billion ($A33 billion) in bonuses last year, equal to $US250,000 for every staff member.

All up, it’s clear the bonus culture of the financial markets is little changed. So how do bankers manage to pay themselves so much, despite some of them having brought the system to its knees?

Comment by rms
2010-01-11 08:27:14

Will the lifeboats be seated according to class? I hope they aren’t too crowded. –Ruth

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-01-11 19:09:53

All up, it’s clear the bonus culture of the financial markets is little changed. So how do bankers manage to pay themselves so much, despite some of them having brought the system to its knees?

Because it’s almost like they’ve made magic: “Check this out, I’ll make a crazy loan - with a teaser rate - to this fellow with no income, no job or assets. And I’ll make a tidy bundle securitizing it and selling it off! No fuss, no muss! If there’s a problem, it’s someone else’s problem! Profit! Ta DA!”

And the bagholders are none the wiser.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 08:18:59

Are banks too big to tame?
Despite financial meltdown, measures to protect consumers have been limited. ~ Charlotte Business Journal ~

Robin Lyle isn’t afraid of new rules about overdraft fees.

In fact, the president of N.C. Bank & Trust says his family will be one of the first to decline overdraft protection when a new law requires banks to ask customers if they want to enroll in to the program. If they opt out, debit-card customers with overdrawn accounts will not be able to proceed with a purchase. The benefit is they won’t pay a fee.

“I have four daughters, two of them in college, and none of them will be opting in,” Lyle says.

Bank leaders such as Lyle are preparing for reforms that take effect this year that are designed to protect consumers.

Critics say bankers have little to worry about because the industry’s lobbyists are parrying congressional efforts at reform. Congress is creating a federal consumer agency for financial products some observers say won’t live up to its mandate.

Efforts to bring back the Glass-Steagall Act to separate commercial and investment banking seem destined to fail. Bank of America Corp., which spent almost $20 billion to acquire Merrill Lynch & Co., opposes any such move. It says investment banking allows it to provide services its customers need. Critics say investment-banking activities were a major contributor to the meltdown and that banks that deal in securities expose taxpayers to risk because of federal deposit insurance.

Stricter rules for overdrawn debit cards will be the biggest change in 2010 for the average retail bank.

Beginning this month, banks are required to disclose the total amount a customer has been charged year-to-date for overdraft fees on debit accounts. In July, banks can charge overdraft fees only if a customer has agreed to opt in to the program. Now, most customers are automatically enrolled. Banks charge up to $38 per transaction when an account is overdrawn.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 17:03:29

Unless Americans get off their fat behinds and start raising hell in the streets, it will stay business as usual, until it all suddenly collapses and the 4 Horsemen ride.

Which historically, is all that ever stops an inbred, greedy and shortsighted aristocracy.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 08:26:49

Went for a brisk walk this morning, walking past a brand spanking new Chevy Subdivision with a bumper sticker that read…

“The recession is over, now get out there and buy something…Anything”!

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-01-11 08:50:16

If only it were that simple.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-01-11 09:12:09

Did that car perchance have realtor plates?

 
Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 09:49:15

Chevy Subdivision ??

Good One wmbz :)

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-11 16:33:52

Please tell me it was getting repo’ed.

 
Comment by cashedin05
2010-01-11 23:48:28

Turn those machines back on!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 08:36:33

(Capitol Hill) ~ The White House announced Friday the awarding of $2.3 billion in tax credits — the money comes from last year’s stimulus bill — to companies to create “green jobs.”

The announcement was rather obviously timed to counter the news that the nation lost 85,000 jobs last month and the unemployment rate stayed at 10% — bad news for an administration that once promised to hold unemployment to 8% by the end of 2009.

So the administration sought to change the tune by talking about all those green jobs in the pipeline.

“Building a robust clean-energy sector is how we will create the jobs of the future — jobs that pay well and can’t be outsourced,” President Obama said Friday.

Yes, but getting these jobs is burning a hole in the national wallet. The problem is that even advocates like Obama concede that these programs are not very cost-effective in creating jobs.

Obama says the grants will create 17,000 cleantech jobs. Well, get out your calculator. $2.3 billion for 17,000 jobs equals $135,294 per job. (And that’s not including the eventual interest on this deficit spending). Those green jobs had better pay well over six figures to justify that expense.

Not to worry, the administration has a plan to solve this, too. It wants Congress to approve another $5 billion for “tens of thousands” more green jobs.

Comment by Eddie
2010-01-11 09:07:41

$135K spent to create a job that might pay $15 an hour….the Chicago Way

 
Comment by oxide
2010-01-11 10:57:47

Those green jobs had better pay well over six figures to justify that expense.

Is the job only going to last one year?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 17:09:47

Nothing unusual here. Many large corporations often pay a temp agency $20hr to bring in bodies who are actually paid $10hr by the agency while the corporations publicly claims they are being paid $25hr.

$134K per job? I actually have to agree with Eddie on this one. $15hr is probably exactly what it will pay. Except that ain’t “the Chicago Way.” That’s just business as usual from coast to coast.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 08:45:22

CAPITOL JOURNAL
The worst budget mess ever
Arnold Schwarzenegger

California faces a $20-billion deficit, and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is unwilling to raise taxes significantly. (Lawrence K. Ho / Associated Press / January 7, 2010)

The governor and lawmakers collide when they should be collaborating.
By George Skelton Capitol Journal

January 11, 2010

Reporting from Sacramento

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s budget proposal was depressing by itself. And the reaction to it made the Capitol even gloomier.

Blame the governor for his populist pouncing on the federal government, trying to lay partial responsibility for Sacramento’s dogged deficit on Washington.

Cite Democrats and their interest groups for too many predictable, pedestrian potshots.

And, while we’re at it, fault Republicans for their obstinate opposition to even considering a temporary tax increase.

OK, there’s merit on all sides. Everyone’s got a legitimate beef. And this is an election year in California, when politics is particularly poisonous.

It doesn’t help everyone’s mood that the Capitol has been socked in by dreary tule fog. It was drizzling outside Friday as the governor was unveiling his budget with its painful program cuts that even he called draconian.

But all the bromides and sound bites — whether meritorious or just mischievous — will make it harder for the politicians to resolve arguably the worst budget mess ever.

The answer to Rodney King’s famous question — “Can’t we all just get along?” — is “Rarely” in politics. But this is one time when the politicians urgently need to search for common ground to build bridges.

Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 09:07:43

“And, while we’re at it, fault Republicans for their obstinate opposition to even considering a temporary tax increase”.

Republican’t or democrap, I could not care less, but the word “temporary” next to the word “tax” always makes me chuckle.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 09:57:57

IMO, the situation in California from Sacramento to Vallejo is terminal…With the new normal going forward, there is no way to service the burden that is structurally in place…It needs to fail for any true reform to occur….

 
Comment by LA Wallflower
2010-01-12 00:06:59

Dear Californians: Taxes are what you pay in order to have a civilization.

No taxes… no civilization. Why do you think things are falling apart so badly?

We are going to have to cough up a bit more, somehow.

Comment by Chagres
2010-01-12 00:29:56

Speak for yourself. If you want higher taxes then nothing is stopping you from sending extra tax dollars every month to the Franchise Tax Board.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 08:47:41

It takes a crisis to raise a mortgage program.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - April Fools’ Day will have a special meaning for the Federal Reserve this year: it will be the first day the central bank allows a ravaged U.S. mortgage market to stand on its own two feet.

Housing Market

Even if things are a bit wobbly at first, the Fed is unlikely to step in again after its debt purchase program — devised at the height of the financial meltdown — expires. That would take a renewed crisis, like a sudden and destabilizing spike in mortgage rates.

Not that such a possibility is out of the question. Some November data, such as housing starts and pending home sales — homes are under contract to be sold — showed abrupt retrenchments after signs of improvement, suggesting government tax credits and the Fed’s loan purchases were playing a big part in propping up the market.

Barring a double-dip in housing, however, Fed officials are unlikely to meddle.

Their reluctance to intervene anew has many roots. For one thing, it would signal a policy about-face that could adversely affect markets as investors reassess what they believed was an improving economic outlook.

More importantly, it is unclear how much more impact the Fed could have on a market where it has already become by far the overwhelming source of demand.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 08:48:03

Friday, January 8, 2010
California Treasurer says construction jobs are at risk without budget resolution
San Francisco Business Times - by Mark Calvey

California State Treasurer Bill Lockyer said Friday that jobs tied to state construction projects are at risk if the state can’t sell bonds due to budget woes.

“Thousands of infrastructure projects will be threatened with delay or closure if the state cannot reenter the bond market soon,” Lockyer said in a statement. “To do that, we need to quickly and credibly solve this fiscal year’s budget problem.”

“Infrastructure development is crucial to California’s economic recovery. It creates and protects jobs, helps put our businesses back in the black and strengthens our competitiveness,” Lockyer said.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 09:08:17

Just where does one get this “Saved Money”?

 
Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 10:04:05

It creates and protects jobs

For whom ??

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-01-11 13:42:06

If you don’t know the answer to that question you obviously aren’t making big enough campaign donations!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 17:12:24

Que?

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 09:06:14

Which ‘experts’ are the UHS who penned this editorial citing? My reading of Robert Shiller’s careful retrospective on real estate price appreciation suggests that aside from the recent bubble, real estate did not generally outpace inflation over the long run, going back all the way to the 1890s.

As for the eventual return of the ‘law of supply and demand’, current artificially inflated prices plus a shadow inventory of foreclosures that have already occurred but have been held off the market added to incipient foreclosures over the remaining future of the financial crisis suggest the supply glut will continue to weigh down prices for maybe another five years. Above all, as suggested by both Showley’s recent piece and this editorial, the euphoric mindset that drove the housing bubble has not yet given way to the inexorable recognition that ‘real estate is the worst investment.’

Why catch yourself a falling knife when a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to buy at the bottom awaits the patient? I am very optimistic about the future of prudently purchased and financed San Diego real estate, at least for those who avoid catching themselves falling knives during the course of an unfolding financial crisis.

Union-Tribune Editorial
Real estate bubble burst / Headlines obscure gains for prudent buyers

Monday, January 11, 2010 at 12:04 a.m.

“Buy land, they’re not making any more of it.”

– Mark Twain

Over the last three or four years, it has been all but impossible on any given day to watch television, scan the Internet or read newspapers – including this one – without encountering a story about the great dislocation suffered by individuals, families and whole communities as the housing bubble burst.

what has gone largely unnoted, at least until Union-Tribune reporter Roger Showley recently documented it, is that for long-term owners, San Diego County real estate remains what it has been at least since Alonzo Horton got to town – a pretty sound investment.

It is true that someone who bought a median-priced home in the county at the November 2005 peak of $517,500 would feel whipsawed at best, and be on the way to foreclosure at worst, with that home valued at today’s median of $325,000.

But, as Showley noted, someone who owned a median-priced home in January 2000 would have seen a 48.4 percent gain, from $219,000 to today’s $325,000, even after the intervening boom and bust.

No one knows for sure what the next year or two will bring for the region’s housing market, with some predicting a new leg down for prices if unemployment remains high and many more homes go into foreclosure.

But long-term – there’s that word again – experts generally agree that prices will rise and even outpace the rate of inflation.

That is not such a bold prediction. Eventually the law of supply and demand will reassert itself. If you consider that in 2009 permits were issued for just 2,900 new dwellings in San Diego County, the lowest number since World War II, and note that this region’s matchless natural beauty and its vibrant – if temporarily battered – economy will continue to draw new residents, it is all but impossible to be pessimistic about the future of prudently purchased and financed residential real estate.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 09:27:09

“Buy land, they’re not making any more of it.”

Mark Twain, who lost his shirt in foolish financial speculative ventures, is a fine one to quote in an editorial letter imploring greater fools to invest in San Diego real estate.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-01-11 18:04:47

Many great artists have been foolish with money, but it’s always puzzled me how someone as insightful about human nature as Mark Twain could be so foolish in his investing. It’s not like he was some whacked-out surrealist painter. (Ironically, Salvador Dali was a very shrewd businessman.)

 
 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-01-11 09:28:41

“Eventually the law of supply and demand will reassert itself.”

No argument on that statement from most commenters here. But when it does eventually happen, it’s not likely to turn out quite the way that the writers of that piece imagine it will…

It does have the feel of an REIC promo piece doesn’t it? Right down to the “experts generally agree”.

Also, note the “eventuallys” and “long terms”. Most of them seem to (at long last) be hedging their bets these days.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-11 17:16:46

“it is all but impossible to be pessimistic about the future of prudently purchased and financed residential real estate.”

According to the U-T, there has never been an imprudent time to purchase real estate nor an imprudent way to finance its purchase. If you’d followed their advice at the peak of the bubble, not only would that purchase not have been prudent, you’d be well on the road to financial ruin. Once again, they serve their real estate industry masters at the expense of their readers. They’ll have one less when my subscription expires at the end of this month.

 
Comment by cashedin05
2010-01-11 23:59:03

With stagnant or dropping incomes and high unemployment, house prices will continue to decline. 325k is still very, very expensive.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 09:12:57

Are there any exogenous factors which could force the Fed to raise interest rates before they would autonomously choose to do so? I am perpetually curious about this, given how Fed governors seem to always project the impression of holding all the cards.

FEDERAL RESERVE
Sweet and low

St. Louis Fed chief Bullard sees U.S. interest rates staying low for “quite some time,” tamping down last week’s kerfuffle over when to begin tightening.

Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 10:09:24

Dang Pbear…Are you some kind of speed reader ?? I can’t keep up with your postings :)

Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2010-01-11 20:37:43

You don’t really think he’s just one person, do you? He cloned himself and thus can respond here, hold down 16 jobs, and raise a bunch of kids to be good citizens. Of, the copy of a copy is a little bit “off.” That’s the one that keeps responding to Eddie’s bait. :D

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-12 00:30:32

I sit on my hands as much as possible whenever Eddie’s posts appear…

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Comment by crazy frog
2010-01-11 11:51:52

Speaking about “exogenous factors”, what do you think will be the effect of sovereign debt crisis in Easter Europe, followed by similar one in the PIGS, on the FED rates?

Comment by crazy frog
2010-01-11 11:53:19

Easter Europe = Eastern Europe

 
 
 
Comment by Lip
2010-01-11 09:17:26

HOW ABOUT THOSE AZ CARDINALS —-

Kurt Warner had more touchdowns than INCOMPLETES! Sorry Packer fans, we just made the last defensive play in an awesomely offensive game.

Comment by Bronco
2010-01-11 09:51:46

it was a wild finish (and the only decent game of the weekend)

Comment by X-philly
2010-01-11 10:04:54

hahaha

Iggles bit the big one. Dallas rolled right on over them.

That’s the karma of the murdered Vick doggies coming back to haunt them.

Comment by milkcrate
2010-01-11 11:13:13

Some can cheer. Go ahead.
Bengals loss: like watching a funeral march.

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Comment by X-philly
2010-01-11 11:33:19

Who do you think will get to the Super Bowl?

 
Comment by Eddie (the Great)
2010-01-11 12:17:05

Dallas - Baltimore

And then winner will be…..as much as I hate to say it, Dallas.

 
Comment by nycjoe
2010-01-11 12:42:42

Jets’ win was some old-fashioned slobber-knocker, unlike some of the sillier, race-track games of the weekend.

 
Comment by X-philly
2010-01-11 13:03:32

I predict San Diego will come charging up the hill to meet the rested and re-juiced Saints of the Big Easy.

laissez les bons temps rouler!

 
Comment by Lip
2010-01-11 13:23:16

Dallas over Indy in the Super Bowl

 
Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 14:13:33

Anybody but Dallas..Put some pressure on
Rachael-Romo and he will fold like a lawn chair….They luckily beat one of the worst teams in the league, at home, 7-6 on two late field goals…They are not that good…

 
Comment by Lip
2010-01-11 14:19:00

I really like AZ but don’t want to be a blatant homer.

Warner and the guys are incredibly fun to watch. They really could have won last year and this year Beannie Wells and Hightower give them a decent running attack. Try to shut down the outside passes and we run the ball up the middle.

Defense is better than they showed yesterday, but we shall see.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 09:30:12

Dollar weakness is great for gold prices!

Metals Stocks

Jan. 11, 2010, 10:52 a.m. EST
Gold rises as dollar loses ground to rivals

By Polya Lesova & Nick Godt, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Gold futures rose Monday to their strongest level in more than a month, as signs of improved Chinese oil demand and comments from a Federal Reserve official that U.S. interest rates would stay low pressured the dollar.

Comment by BlueStar
2010-01-11 11:03:48

Yeah, the 2-10 spread just blew out all records this morning. The FED can sit on the short end but the long bond yield just keeps falling (rates up!) This is not a Black Swan event… The signs are everywhere, the 10-30 year bond is yield is going up really fast over the last 30 trading days. I did buy some TBT @49 in Dec. so it helps offset the loss in my US$ cash. US cash is trash.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 11:13:19

“Are there any exogenous factors which could force the Fed to raise interest rates before they would autonomously choose to do so? I am perpetually curious about this, given how Fed governors seem to always project the impression of holding all the cards.”

This is the kind of development I had in mind in answer to my earlier question about ‘exogenous factors’ that could influence the Fed’s decision on when to start tightening.

Comment by BlueStar
2010-01-11 11:24:16

Is there a Credit Default quote for the US long term bond?
Look at the cost to insure Japan debt over the last 3 months!
It’s funny that the very instruments that caused much of this mess (CDOs) are still being traded and are apparently flashing RED!

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Comment by BlueStar
2010-01-11 11:57:42

Well thank you Fitch!

Fitch Ratings affirmed its AAA rating on the U.S., saying a downgrade is unlikely in the near term thanks to the dollar’s role as a global reserve currency and a steady demand for U.S. Treasurys by foreign investors.

online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100111-709487.html?mod=WSJ_latestheadlines

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-01-11 13:39:12

They could have saved themselves some time and just wrote: “USA TBTF”

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 12:28:58

I have never believed that the Fed holds all the cards. It is obvious that they can set the overnight rate to their member banks, but never has been obvious to me that they can set 10 yr rates. It always looked to me like the 10 yr rates followed the market. The wiggle room the Fed has on that is their reserves. Haven’t the reserves all but been replaced with manure? This will be educational for me.

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Comment by Spokaneman
2010-01-11 11:56:48

If you had to guess, where would you put the 10 year Treasury yield six month and a year from now? >6%?

Comment by BlueStar
2010-01-11 12:15:00

That would be too high I would think. The low rate in Europe will keep a brake on the yield rate-of-change rise. I know the old indicators of wage inflation and high unemployment would tell you the long bond would be a safe haven but the dynamics in finance markets and trillions of $$ sloshing around are providing huge distortions. Right now the 10 yr is quoting just above 3.80% so I would think anything over 4% will cause the FED to panic and announce some new hair brained scheme to stop the advance.

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Comment by yensoy
2010-01-11 12:28:07

Bubbles go on longer than people expect them to.

Last year I put some money in short term (6-12mo) CDs thinking interest rates would shoot up by the time they matured, after which I could park the cash in longer term CDs.

That didn’t happen.

I won’t be waiting for >6% within 6 months. Probably somewhere between 1 and 2 years out.

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Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 14:21:58

US cash is trash ??

Paging Combo…..

 
 
 
Comment by michael
2010-01-11 09:30:45

well…it was armageddon week on the history channel last week. i watched a show called Earth 2100. it was a “documentary” based on someone who was born on January 1, 2009…and lived to 2100.

basically…we should all just put a bullet in our head…everyone on the planet. we are doomed.

it was pretty funny. i could only take it in 10 to 20 mintue sesssions. it was two hours. i swear…if i hear one more eco nutjob use katrina as an example of global warming i am going to scream.

Comment by BlueStar
2010-01-11 12:33:02

The History Channel is really weird the last few years. So many shows focus on apocalyptic themes. Even the real history shows focus on disaster scenarios. I mean every week it’s another 2012 (We were WARNED!) or some catastrophe from the cosmos. How many times can they show zillions of dinosaurs being roasted alive?

 
Comment by BlueStar
2010-01-11 13:21:19

Has the History Channel has lost its legitimacy?

Consider the History Channel’s traditional demographics, over 40, affluent, above average education. Now it looks like it’s aiming for the video game generation; lower income, unemployed, superstitious.

Check out the cartoon:
media.www.reflector-online.com/media/storage/paper938/news/2009/10/23/Opinion/History.Channel.Has.Lost.Its.Legitimacy-3811211.shtml

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-01-11 13:35:15

Haven’t watched the History Channel in quite some time. Are they running lots of gold and commemorative coin commercials nowadays?

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-11 16:12:29

They are running out of WWII vets willing to cry about their experiences in front of a camera. And you can only run so many stories about the Tuskegee Airmen.

But they are doing a “Pawn Stars” marathon tonight.

This is the problem with being un/under-employed…….WAY too much time to sit in front of the boob tube. (or is it “boob flat panel” now?)

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-01-11 18:13:41

it’s the flat-boob

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2010-01-11 20:41:16

Has the History Channel has lost its legitimacy?

With me, most definitely. They’ve created too many spinoff channels, and spread themselves too thin. Now they have to come up with crap shows for filler, and it just ruins it.

 
 
Comment by BlueStar
2010-01-11 13:56:02

Another sign of the coming Apocalypse…

Palin signs “multi-year” deal to become Fox analyst:

hotair.com/archives/2010/01/11/palin-signs-multi-year-deal-to-become-fox-analyst/

Comment by Lip
2010-01-11 14:26:25

Seeing the left/progressives “seethe” over Palin is one of my favorite things to watch.

She might not be the smartest tool, but she’s honest and she knows how to make a decision that’s best for everyone. She has rooted out dishonest politicians of both parties in AK and she might even be the first female President of the United States someday.

I had always thought that Hillary would be the first but I think she’s missed her chance. Peace y’all

Comment by BlueStar
2010-01-11 14:50:26

You don’t get it do you. Fox News is the prime example of the rot that is at the core of decay of America. MSNBC/CCN/Disney are just as bad but they square off against FOX so everyone thinks there is a legitimate discussion of the issues, pro and con. Their primary goal is to keep us at each others throat while we the people don’t notice as our standard of living drop. I don’t fault regular folks for falling for the charade, it is truly a marvel of modern social engineering to watch them shape the opinions of millions of Americans. The sales job for the Iraq war was unbelievable. You might notice 90% of the rest of the world never drank the cool aid on the whole preemptive war deal.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-11 16:55:24

OK, so Faux News isn’t all that enlightening on the news front, but man, I love those hot anchor-babes and guests.

 
Comment by Lip
2010-01-11 17:40:10

Blue Star,

I thought I was talking about Palin Derangement Syndrome. How did Faux News come up?

Anyway I have to agree with SS, the babes on Fox are great to look at and they have a brain.

Please lighten up.

Lip

 
Comment by exeter
2010-01-11 18:50:59

Too bad fox noize doesn’t have the same feeling about you. In their latest scandal, the lead empty skulls on fox refer to their viewers as trailer trash and their own women journalists (if you can call it journalism) as dingbats.

Palin will fit right in at fox. And you’ll eat it up. And so will I and Keith Olbermann. ;)

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-11 19:38:56

Link, please.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-01-11 16:28:24

I love watching my Republican relatives seethe over Palin with a sad shake of the head over what’s happened to their party.

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Comment by exeter
2010-01-11 17:08:15

Watching “conservative” suckers duck, weave, shuck and jive because they can’t run from the fact their national party nominated a certified idiot as a gimmick instead of drafting an public policy expert from their ranks? Priceless.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 09:41:41

China Ends U.S.’s Reign as Largest Auto Market (Update2)

Jan. 11 (Bloomberg) — China supplanted the U.S. as the world’s largest auto market after its 2009 vehicle sales jumped 46 percent, ending more than a century of American dominance that started with the Model T Ford.

The nation’s sales of passenger cars, buses and trucks rose to 13.6 million, the fastest pace in at least 10 years, according to the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers. In the U.S., sales slumped 21 percent to 10.4 million, the fewest since 1982, according to Autodata Corp.

China’s vehicle sales have surged since 1999 as economic growth averaging more than 9 percent a year has helped automakers including General Motors Co. and Volkswagen AG compensate for slumping demand in the U.S. and Europe. The market will likely remain the world’s largest, even as sales slow this year on a reduction in tax cuts, according to Booz & Co.

“China is becoming the center stage of development for the 21st century global auto industry,” said Bill Russo, a Beijing- based senior adviser at Booz & Co., which advises automakers. “Economic growth has directly translated into growth in automobile sales.”

Comment by michael
2010-01-11 10:55:07

more evidence of significant de-coupling.

 
Comment by Eddie (the Great)
2010-01-11 12:13:03

And China doesn’t even have govt run health care. Wow.

Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 13:32:24

“The government (Chinese)is seeking to boost the domestic economy by creating health-care and pension systems that will encourage spending”.

Give the chicoms a little more time, they are working on it.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 12:21:04

Hey Bozo & Co.; Is China built out on the suburbia model like the US? If not, where are all those Chinese driving their cars to? The empty cities and empty malls?

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 10:13:24

China Ends U.S.’s Reign as Largest Auto Market ??

And you know whats next ? ? ?

Bye, Bye Boeing….

Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-11 10:54:17

I will never set foot on a chinese airliner. Never.

Comment by Eddie (the Great)
2010-01-11 12:15:24

So you will never fly? If Boeing continues to be held hostage by unions, they will be going the way of GM soon enough.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-11 12:59:12

There’s always Airbus. Then again I rarely fly, so its academic anyway.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 17:19:49

“So you will never fly? If Boeing continues to be held hostage by stupid, ignorant MANAGEMENT who keep shooting themselves in the foot, they will be going the way of GM soon enough.”

Fixed it for you.

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Comment by yensoy
2010-01-11 12:31:52

Guess what, you might already have flown on one!

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/958729/

Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-11 12:58:01

Its’s been eons since I flew on an MD-80.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-11 16:21:21

They were “assembled” in China. All the safety critical stuff was built here.

Boeing is finding out with the 787 that farming stuff out to contractors, and just doing systems design and integration may not be the way to go after all.

As it was described to me by one engineer “Not enough generations between the water buffalo and the airplane”

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 17:22:43

Bad news In Colorado. Do you know why you’ve been seeing a lot aircraft mishaps lately? Because they are now having maintenance done overseas where the regulations are less strict, with the FAAs approval no less.

Now shut up peasant and be glad you can AFFORD to fly.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-11 19:32:23

And we all know the timeline……

- In order to remain “competitive”, maintenance, spares, are shipped off the various Third World maintenance centers; it’s all good, thanks to the State Department and their negotiations requiring the FAA to accept Mexican/Costa Rican/Chinese signoffs on overseas work.

- Cut aircrew pay, until you have 22year old copilots with 600 hours total time flying right seat, and flight attendants who can make more money working at Olive Garden.

-It’s all good……Wall Street is happy with the outsourcing, passengers are happy with the cheap fares…….until……

- The inevitable smoking hole……..

-The public (used to) get upset.

-Congress “investigates” (which is the new word to describe the inevitable self-righteous tantrum/news conference).

-The public moves on to worrying about something else.

-Nothing meaningful changes.

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Comment by Sagesse
2010-01-12 04:30:20

“The public (used to) get upset.”

Oh, that stunt that Reagan pulled. Have you seen much upset from the public?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-01-11 10:58:39

Eventually, bye-bye all American jobs…

Comment by LA Wallflower
2010-01-12 00:15:29

Nah, we still need people to staff the shoe stores and fast-grease joints, and also people to deliver packages for Amazon… :)

 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2010-01-11 10:46:05

Jim Jubak

It’s a desperate gamble but Japan’s Democratic Party government, headed by Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama, doesn’t have much choice.

To break the hold of deflation on the Japanese economy, the country has to spend money—lots of money—it doesn’t have to stimulate an economy that threatens to turn in a third straight year of negative growth in the fiscal 2011 year that begins in April 2010.

The government’s new budget calls for a record $1 trillion in spending for the fiscal year. But it’s not the size of the budget that’s so shocking. Government projections say that tax receipts next year will come to just $405 billion. For the first time since World War II Japan’s government will borrow more than it takes in from taxes.

That new borrowing—an estimated $485 billion—will bring the country’s total debt to $9.4 trillion by the end of fiscal 2011 in March 2011. That will be equal to 181% of the country’s GDP (gross domestic product) by March 2011. In other words Japan will owe almost two year’s worth of the activity of its entire economy.

How big is that debt burden? Let’s look at a few comparisons.
Just for context, Greece—the country that all the credit rating companies are rushing to downgrade now–is projected to finish 2009 with debt equal to 112% of GDP. The United States, according to the International Monetary Fund (IMF) will finish 2011 with gross government debt equal to 98% of GDP. (Before you feel too smug about that remember that this ratio was at just 71% in 2008 and in Korea the ratio is at 35%.)

If the Hatoyama stimulus doesn’t work, of course, the country will wind up with an economy that’s going nowhere and a government debt that is massively higher.

For investors outside of Japan, the gamble means that the Japanese government will be issuing a truckload of new debt at the same time as the governments of the United States, the United Kingdom, Spain, Germany, and the rest of the developed world will be carting their own mountains of new debt to the bond market.

Sounds like a lot of upward pressure on interest rates, downward pressure on currencies such as the yen and the dollar, and increased demand for gold in 2010, no?

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 12:14:48

The epoch global credit expansion was a private sector mania, and governments, being the parasites that they are, got fat from the table droppings. The private party is winding down and the governments of the world all work to keep the host beasts on their feet and running. What will we call the day when everyone comes to the borrowing window at once, and there is no lender?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 12:31:32

The past week’s abnormally cold temperatures enabled AGL Resources Inc. to break its natural gas delivery record twice.

The Atlanta-based energy company said it broke its record for peak-day natural gas delivery on Jan. 8, when its six distribution companies delivered 3,078,064 dekatherms of natural gas to customers from New Jersey to Florida.

The new record enabled AGL Resources to surpass the 3 million dekatherm mark for the first time in the company’s 154-year history. The company’s previous peak-day delivery record was set just five days earlier. On Jan. 3, AGL Resources provided customers with 2,926,099 dekatherms of natural gas.

AGL Resources (NYSE: AGL) operates Atlanta Gas Light, Chattanooga Gas in Tennessee, Elizabethtown Gas in New Jersey, Elkton Gas in Maryland, Florida City Gas in Florida and Virginia Natural Gas in Virginia.

Comment by Lip
2010-01-11 13:31:58

View images of wintry cold that rang in 2010 around the world

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34689202/ns/weather-picture_stories/displaymode/1247/?beginSlide=1

Brrrrrrr

Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 14:03:51

Some great shots!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-12 00:28:04

After looking through that slide show, I am totally convinced:

GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL!

Comment by robin
2010-01-12 03:47:05

WHAT IF THE COLD JUST CHOSE TO MOVE FROM THE POLES TO THE EQUATOR??

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Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 12:33:03

New research shows that while most travel-related costs decreased in 2009, rental car rates soared.

Abrams Consulting Group found that the average weekly rate for a compact car rental at an airport jumped 51 percent from 2008 levels, to $335.05 in 2009.

Neil Abrams, president of the Purchase, N.Y.-based car rental consulting firm, said rates will continue to increase this year. He says rental companies significantly reduced their fleets, giving them leverage to raise prices.

The Abrams report showed that fleet sizes fell 25 percent on average across the industry in 2009, and they are down about 50 percent compared with several years ago.

While fleet sizes have shrunk, demand in 2009 fell by only about 20 percent across the industry, Abrams said. As a result, rental-car companies were able to raise prices.

Rental-car companies are expected to increase fleet sizes gradually as demand increases this year.

Eleven rental car companies operate out of Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport: Advantage, Alamo, Avis, Budget, Dollar, Enterprise, Fox, Hertz, National, Payless and Thrifty.

Comment by lavi d
2010-01-11 13:48:37

Eleven rental car companies operate out of Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport: Advantage, Alamo, Avis, Budget, Dollar, Enterprise, Fox, Hertz, National, Payless and Thrifty.

When I asked why I was seeing rental cars with 15k+ miles, I was told that it’s because GM is stiffing a lot of the rental car agencies on fleet buy-backs.

I rent a car once a month for travel - it’s cheaper/more convenient than a car payment.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 14:25:56

I noticed the higher mileage on rental cars too. I thought the rental companies sold the older cars themselves.

Your strategy on an occasional rental over car payment is interesting. Do you keep a liability insurance policy?

Comment by lavi d
2010-01-11 15:28:10

Do you keep a liability insurance policy?

I just pay the 25/day the rental car company charges. By now, I’ve paid my deductible a couple of times over, but if the rental car ever goes damaged or destroyed, it won’t show up on my insurance.

I pay about 250-300 for each rental, which is still cheaper than a nice car payment and completely optional - these are personal trips, not business.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-11 16:25:29

The idiots running the (formerly) Big 3 figured out (finally) that screwing their customers by selling cars in bulk to the rental car companies was killing resales values.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 12:39:00

The last line tells what course the chicom government is steering.

La Go Go’s Growth Shows China Consumer Spending Power (Update1)

Jan. 11 (Bloomberg) — Beijing office worker Wang Hong holds up a $44 black blouse at Chinese clothing store La Go Go and smiles.

“It’s like getting a foreign brand at local prices,” said the 33-year-old Wang, standing in front of racks of clothes at the Jiamao mall.

By offering prices as much as 25 percent less than international retailers Esprit and Mango, La Go Go parent Ever- Glory International Group Inc. is transforming itself from a supplier to Levi Strauss & Co. into a Chinese fashion chain. The retail unit’s sales climbed 153 percent in the third quarter from a year earlier.

Ever-Glory chairman Edward Kang started La Go Go stores in 2008 to capitalize on rising local affluence and counter a drop in exports. The Nanjing-based company now has 154 La Go Go outlets and plans to open as many as 1,000 by 2015.

The shift shows how the nation’s consumers are helping compensate for exports, which yesterday recorded the first annual decline in more than 25 years even as shipments for December climbed almost 18 percent. The government is seeking to boost the domestic economy by creating health-care and pension systems that will encourage spending.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-11 16:56:59

“It’s like getting a foreign brand at local prices,” said the 33-year-old Wang, standing in front of racks of clothes at the Jiamao mall.

I wonder how many textile and manufacturing jobs will be returning to the US, post-dollar crash.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-11 19:33:58

I’d say about zero.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-11 19:41:05

Not necessarily. Add a cheap dollar to much higher shipping costs, and I can see some of the outsourced jobs of the past couple of decades coming home. Especially if we get new political leadership that levies punitive penalties on companies that outsource American jobs.

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Comment by Big V
2010-01-11 12:56:45

I think this should be mentioned in the Bits Bucket as well as the other thread:

The Flagstaff paper ran a little article about Ben.

http://www.azdailysun.com/business/local/article_26238719-a56e-512d-9e18-4588c1accd8b.html

Comment by BlueStar
2010-01-11 13:45:24

Outstanding!! I would add a Tip Of My Hat to all the other HBB regulars that make this web site my favorite.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-11 16:59:35

I second that.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-01-11 14:26:07

Big V is Back !!!!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 17:50:18

Congrats Ben.

 
Comment by Muggy
2010-01-11 18:31:13

Awesome

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-01-12 00:13:05

Great Ben .

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 14:18:34

Most shuttered auto plants remain closed; communities struggle to find new uses. ~ The Canadian Press

WIXOM, Mich. — Henry Ford’s great-grandson arrived at the shuttered auto plant to brag about a plan to revive the vast empty space: Investors would transform it into a modern factory to make solar panels and high-tech energy systems instead of Town Cars and Thunderbirds.

“I can’t imagine a better way to reuse the facility,” Bill Ford said during his visit to the former Wixom Assembly plant in September.

Several months later, a plan that exists only on paper is still awaiting final approval. The plant is still vacant, just like scores of other cavernous auto factories across the nation that have never been redeveloped.

An Associated Press analysis illustrates the scope of the problem: Of 128 manufacturing plants in North America closed since 1980 by the Detroit Three automakers and their largest suppliers, three of every five now sit idle.

At their peak, these roaring engines of economic activity employed hundreds of thousands of people, mostly well-paid union members on the assembly line and white-collar engineers in windowed offices above the factory floor.

Those 128 plants had a payroll of 196,000 workers at the time they closed. Today, only 36,500 people work at those sites that have been redeveloped, and at only three of the revived plants does the number of employees match or exceed the number in their carmaking past. The rest are concrete prairies or steel behemoths waiting for reuse or a wrecking ball, most without any real prospects for new use.

“The cost is going to be borne by the next generation,” said James Rubenstein, a professor at Miami University in Oxford, Ohio, who has studied U.S. auto plant closings and openings. “It’s the children and grandchildren of the laid-off workers. They won’t have the opportunities in those communities.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-11 14:44:39

Layoffs Looming for Cleveland Safety Force Workers
Cleveland Cuts More Than 100 Safety Force Positions
Fox 8 Report

CLEVELAND — Over one 100 Cleveland policemen, firefighters, and EMS workers are expected to be laid off on Monday after the city and their unions failed to reach agreements on concessions.

“What we’ve asked from our employees is four cents on the dollar,” says Cleveland Safety Director Marty Flask. He adds that a four percent cut amounts to about a dollar an hour for a regular police officer.

Flask says the concessions are only being requested for calendar year 2010, and that many other unions agreed to them.

But the president of the Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Associaiton, Steve Loomis, says the cuts would cost his members about $3,200 a piece.

Loomis says the jobs done by the safety forces are different than those done by employees in other departments.

“I don’t get that we don’t prioritize our city services a little better,” Loomis says.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-11 16:33:41

Welcome to our world, coppers!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-11 17:53:22

Loomis doesn’t to seem to realize that firemen and cops aren’t revenue generators, but cost centers.
/sarc

A society that puts a price on everything values nothing.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-11 18:53:03

Money is no object, until you don’t have enough.

 
Comment by LA Wallflower
2010-01-12 00:21:55

Wonder what the gleeful increase in criminal activity will cost you, huh Cleveland? Boy that’ll be fun. Hope nothing serious gets set on fire!

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-11 20:09:51

Money Management 101 at the School of Hard Knocks..

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-01-11 16:27:33

Venezuelan’s rush to buy flat screen tvs — fear cash becoming worthless.

Over the weekend, there were signs that Mr. Chávez’s slashing of the “strong bolivar” currency could create as many problems as it solves in Venezuela’s economy, provoking a wave of anxiety that sent Venezuelans scurrying to spend cash they feared could soon be worthless.

At Caracas’s middle-class Sambil shopping mall, lines at cashiers reached 50-deep. Carmen Blanco, a 28-year-old accountant, waited to buy a 42-inch flat-screen television she doesn’t need because she already has one at home.

WSJ: Devaluation Sparks Chaos in Caracas

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-01-11 18:35:11

Carmen Blanco, a 28-year-old accountant, waited to buy a 42-inch flat-screen television she doesn’t need because she already has one at home

The Venezuelans have better TV’s than I do. And they’re socialist!

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-01-11 17:33:37

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/6968143/Is-a-cashless-society-on-the-cards.html

Masters of the Universe are pushing for a cashless society. Why? Cash is freedom - and inimical to progress on the road to serfdom. Far better to have full visibility over the source of all your income, and how and where you spend it, the better to tax, monitor, and control you. Learn to love Big Brother!

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-01-11 22:28:31

Now all we need is the mark of the beast and we know how the rest of it ends. ; )

er….wink, wink, ….I think

 
 
Comment by crazy frog
2010-01-11 19:03:08

The mad chase for return.

“After rallies in stock and corporate bond markets, fund managers are struggling to find underperforming assets where prices may rebound. U.S. stocks posted their biggest annual gain since 2003 last year while yields on U.S. and European government bonds are still at least a percentage point lower than before the financial crisis. ”

This is going to end sooooo…BAD.
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Scottish Widows Buys ‘Unloved’ Japanese Stocks, Greek Bonds

Jan. 12 (Bloomberg) — Scottish Widows Investment Partnership, manager of about 140 billion pounds ($226 billion), is buying up some of the world’s least popular assets.

The Edinburgh-based company purchased Greek bonds last month after yields soared because of concern the country may struggle to pay back its debts. Scottish Widows also increased holdings of stocks in the “unloved” Japanese market, according to Ken Adams, head of strategy at the fund manager.

“You don’t wait for things to improve, you buy when the news is hitting the screens and everyone is depressed,” Adams said in an interview at his office in the Scottish capital. “You’re being paid to take the risk and I think Greece will have no choice but to take action and I think they will.”

After rallies in stock and corporate bond markets, fund managers are struggling to find underperforming assets where prices may rebound. U.S. stocks posted their biggest annual gain since 2003 last year while yields on U.S. and European government bonds are still at least a percentage point lower than before the financial crisis.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-11 23:59:51

This guy hit it spot on with his comment. By contrast, methinks the journalist whose story was the target of this comment must have taken way too many Wall-Street-funded paychecks to have a clear perspective on his subject.

By Steve Berkowitz

From San Diego, CA, 01/11/2010

I make it a point to listen to Marketplace because the reporting and analysis is usually insightful and thoughtful. Today’s story was, to put it mildly, insulting and appalling. Not only don’t the bankers get it, but it appears that the whole attitude of entitlement and superiority has infected even those who observe and write about them. Robert Teitelman doesn’t get it either. I’m disappointed, Marketplace. You can do better than this.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-12 00:08:58

Dumb question of the day: Why wouldn’t anyone sitting in an underwater home with a gargantuan debt burden just walk away?

And is Hank Paulson just about the darkest pot ever in modern cookware history to call a kettle black?

Monday, January 11, 2010

Listen to the show
Walking away from your mortgage

Roger Lowenstein talks with Kai Ryssdal about the article he wrote for The New York Times Magazine, which discusses a new trend in real estate: choosing to walk away from a mortgage you could pay.

Kai Ryssdal: When you buy a house and you sign those mortgage papers — that’s it. You’re on the hook for many hundreds of thousands of dollars until the thing’s paid off. Unless, you decide otherwise. With almost 11 million homeowners underwater in this country — that is, paying for a house that’s not worth the mortgage — there is a new trend in real estate. Just walkin’ away. Roger Lowenstein wrote about it in The New York Times Magazine yesterday.

Ryssdal: Let’s define who we’re talking about here. These are people who could conceivably pay, but they’re just not.

Lowenstein: Yeah, you know it’s a twist on the old-fashioned American nightmare of not being able to pay your mortgage and being forced out, in the dark of night, having to go live with your in-laws or something. What we have now is tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people, potentially, who could pay their mortgage. But they’re deciding that the darker night doesn’t look so bad compared to what I owe, I don’t think I’m going to pay it. I think I’m going to pull that trailer up and leave.

Ryssdal: You point that companies do it all the time.

Lowenstein: That’s right. It’s common practice in business for business to say, we owe more on this company or on this piece of real estate than it’s worth, so rather than keep paying, we’ll leave it to the banker, whoever the creditor is. Let them worry about it.

Ryssdal: So here’s the point where I reveal my bias. When I read your piece, I said a couple of things. One was, wait what about their credit ratings, that will just be terrible? And the other one was, man, what about the shame and public opprobrium of just walking away from this debt that you signed onto?

Lowenstein: Is it really right to say that there are moral… Both the administrations, both of the recent ones — the Bush administration, Hank Paulson, and even Obama recently — has called on people to do what they call the responsible thing. Hank Paulson even said people who walk away from their homes are no better than speculators, which is kind of amusing because Hank Paulson spent 32 years at Goldman Sachs. But presumably once in a while they speculated on something or other, right?

In my view, you’re not a social pariah. You’re not any worse than the company that gave you the mortgage and probably flipped it about five minutes later.

Ryssdal: Well about those banks and the folks who gave you the mortgage. Is there a chance that if a lot of people did this, it would actually fix the housing market faster? It would change lending standards, and it would get the foreclosures through the system and all that stuff?

Lowenstein: The theory is that if enough people said we’re not afraid of the opprobrium, the social shame, whatever. We’re not going to pay. The banks would say, you know, I think we have to renegotiate with these people because otherwise we’re going to have a tidal wave on our hands. That’s the theory.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-12 00:35:16

Greed is evil, fear is good. Bankers taken ill-gotten bonuses should be afraid — very afraid. Wheel of karma gonna getcha!!!

* OPINION
* JANUARY 11, 2010, 6:55 P.M. ET

When Greed Is Not Good
Wall Street has quickly rediscovered the virtues of mammoth paychecks. Why hasn’t there been more financial reform?

By ALAN S. BLINDER

I hear Gordon Gekko is making a comeback. So is greed.

They say markets are alternately ruled by greed and fear. Well, our panic-stricken financial markets have been ruled by fear for so long that a little greed might serve as an elixir. But everybody knows you can overdose on an elixir.

You can overdose on hair-of-the-dog liquidity cures, too!

 
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