The Next Michigan?
The Bay Area News Group reports from California. “Personal and small-business bankruptcy filings are soaring in the Bay Area as more people lose their jobs and homes and as the profile of those facing bankruptcy extends deeper into the middle class. Norma Hammes, a San Jose attorney, said she’s seeing more clients who had incomes of $150,000 to $200,000 before the recession hit. ‘I am now getting people in my office regularly who never would have filed a bankruptcy before. Their income was pretty good a year or two ago. But property values dropped like a rock and they had a bad loan they thought they could get refinanced because they thought house values would remain stable. They can’t refinance and their loan has exploded so their payments went way up, and then one of them got laid off. Now they are in my office.’”
“Hammes said the Obama administration’s loan modification program has provided little relief. ‘It is clearly not even beginning to address the foreclosure problem,’ Hammes said.”
“When Gregg Felice’s parents deeded their home to their two children five years ago, he borrowed money to buy out his sister’s share of the house. It seemed like a good idea at the time, he said. But what was a good idea in 2004 turned sour with the recession that hit Silicon Valley in 2009. Last year brought a record wave of nearly 11,500 personal and business bankruptcies — one of them Felice’s — the most in at least 20 years.”
Felice and his spouse, Suzanna Jones, said they fell behind on mortgage payments for the South San Jose home early last year. Despite much effort, they were unable to modify the mortgage, which was from the now defunct IndyMac bank. Jones said she lost her job as a buyer for an electronics firm a year ago. She and Felice, who works part-time as a cook for the city of San Jose, depleted their savings and ultimately ran out of funds to continue paying down the adjustable loan, which leaped in early 2009 from $1,400 a month to $2,700 just as Jones lost her job.’
“‘That’s what really killed us,’ Jones said.”
The Press Democrat. “The total sales of single-family homes in 2009 reached the highest level in four years, but prices fell to the lowest point in nearly a decade. The inventory of available homes for sale fell to 1,138, slightly more than than a three-month supply. That was down almost 19 percent from November and 45 percent from December 2008.”
“Nationally a drop in pending home sales in November sparked talk among analysts that the U.S. housing market might see another dip in prices this winter. But agents and brokers here maintain that the county likely will avoid such a downturn because lenders for months seem to have held back large numbers of distressed and foreclosed properties in order to keep prices up.”
“Shirley Mallin, president of the North Bay Association of Realtors, said plenty of such properties exist, but the lenders likely will release them in small batches in the coming months.”
“‘Otherwise,’ she said, ‘the pricing would plummet.’”
“Some agents said the market this year also may see more distressed properties selling for between $500,000 and $1 million. The owners find themselves ‘underwater,’ and they are increasingly tempted to accept a black mark on their credit report in order to escape a large monthly payment. ‘It’s by choice,’ said Toni D’Angelo, a broker in Santa Rosa. ‘They’re figuring they can walk.’”
The Anderson Valley Post. “Just days after the City of Anderson issued a conditional occupancy permit for two homes in The Vineyards at Anderson subdivision, prospective buyers like Frankie Crouse of Redding - one of 17 names on a waiting list - had a chance for a walk-through with Realtor Debbie Morgan.”
“Originally priced at $500,000, the 1,822 square foot house that the Crouses finally made an offer on currently is listed at $314,900 after it was purchased out of foreclosure and completed by a different builder. ‘These homes are coming out of a foreclosure, so they are being sold at a huge discount,’ Morgan noted. Several of the other houses are being offered unfinished and ‘as is’ by the seller, she added.”
“Originally designed and priced for the top end of the real estate bubble in 2007, the 12 houses that were originally intended as showcase model homes have all been finished with first-class amenities and details, said Jordan Taylor, a local developer who represents a private equity company based in Denver, Colo. Community amenities that prospective buyer Mrs. Crouse most appreciates are the long-range plans for walking trails and open space, as well as a planned community center when other phases of the 2,500-home subdivision eventually are constructed.”
“‘I’m not as worried about the future up here as I would be in other areas of Redding or Shasta County because this project is going to go. Call it experience or a gut instinct or a woman’s intuition, but I know this project will happen. It just depends upon when,’ Mrs. Crouse said.”
The Hollister Freelance. “The company looking to develop the 6,400-acre Sargent Ranch just south of Gilroy filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, owing more than $71 million on the property at the time. The FBI, the Internal Revenue Service, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, and a host of state authorities have targeted David Fitzgerald - the man Pierce recruited to orchestrate a Contra Costa land development deal known as Roddy Ranch - for securities fraud. Authorities estimate that Fitzgerald’s schemes throughout the state have cost investors more than $250 million.”
” Santa Clara County Supervisor Don Gage said he has seen cattle ranches that are about the same size as the Sargent property sell for as low as $12 million to $15 million, and he felt project owners owed far more than the property actually was worth. He did not expect any future development there, noting that it could only legally contain about 200 homes.”
“‘There’s been talk about harvesting sand and gravel there,’ he said. ‘That’s something that’s realistic.’”
The Sacramento Bee. “Two Fair Oaks investors and their children sued Roseville developers Jeremy and Sidney D. Dunmore on Monday, saying they were duped out of millions of dollars in part through forged documents. The $9.5 million lawsuit by Harold J. Smith, 80, and his wife, Irwina Smith, 83, represents the latest salvo against the Dunmore brothers, the third generation of a prominent area home-building family.”
“During the housing boom, the Smiths, who had previously earned millions of dollars on regional land investments, personally invested $4.5 million with the Dunmores for new development ventures in Sacramento, Yolo, Butte and Madera counties. The couple’s sons and a son-in-law invested $1.6 million more, according to the lawsuit. A family friend also invested $1.1 million.”
“‘I spent a year and a half trying to work it out,’ Harold Smith said in an interview. ‘I decided I wasn’t getting anyplace.’”
The Bakersfield Californian. “The father- and mother-in-law of disgraced former Bakersfield Realtor David Crisp have signed plea agreements with federal prosecutors admitting they are guilty of felony wire fraud and other charges, court documents show. Kevin Sluga signed a plea agreement Dec. 22; his wife signed one Monday. Federal prosecutors signed both memos Thursday. Both are charged with felony wire fraud and aiding and abetting.”
“The Slugas are now the second and third defendants in a federal case related to operations of the former Crisp, Cole & Associates, better known to locals as Crisp & Cole Real Estate. Federal prosecutors allege Kevin Sluga, through his Bakersfield firm, knowingly created fraudulent letters verifying employment in mortgage applications related to Crisp & Cole. The letters were used by Crisp, Cole and their employees at the real estate firm and at Tower Lending, the loan arm of Crisp & Cole, to buy properties through ’straw buyers and other illegal means,’ Kevin Sluga’s plea agreement says.”
“The fake CPA letters, issued between January 2005 and January 2007, were used to buy more than $12.6 million worth of property that defrauded lenders of nearly $4 million.”
“Bankruptcy filings in the Central Valley soared to an all-time high in 2009, up nearly 50 percent from 2008, figures from the U.S. Bankruptcy Court show. In a region battered by recession, plunging home values, foreclosures, state government furloughs and double-digit unemployment, ‘we’re busier than we’ve ever been,’ said Richard Heltzel, clerk of the Sacramento-based U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Eastern District of California.”
“Attorney Jonathan G. Stein also cites foreclosures as a main factor among filers seeking his help. ‘It’s a combination of things: The cases are foreclosure-related; they’re frustrated with their lack of ability to pay their bills,’ Stein said. ‘The banks are promising that they will stop foreclosure sales, but they’re not. One way to stop a foreclosure is to file for bankruptcy.’”
The Union Tribune. “A 66,010-square-foot office building in the normally robust Del Mar Heights area of Carmel Valley has sold for half its previous value in what could be the first in a wave of high-profile, foreclosed commercial properties on the market this year, according to Cushman & Wakefield commercial brokerage services.”
“Davlyn Investments, a local owner and operator of apartment complexes, condominium converter and office-building investor, bought the 23-year-old Hacienda Del Mar building for $15.6 million from Chinatrust Bank of California. The previous sale, three years ago, was for $27.5 million.”
“Stath Karras, executive managing director of the local Cushman office, said the transaction represents the first of a ‘burgeoning trend’ of foreclosed commercial properties coming up for sale, following last year’s handful of relatively small apartment, retail and office properties.”
“The previous owner of Hacienda Del Mar, Cardinal Investments, lost it to foreclosure after having spent about $2 million improvements and trying to sell the space as condominium offices, said John Hale, Davlyn’s director of office acquisitions. Tenant occupancy has fallen to 53 percent.”
From Bloomberg. “The ability to relocate for employment, which helped the U.S. recover quickly after previous deep recessions, is the latest victim of the housing bust. Raul Lopez, laid off from three construction jobs since October 2007, is focusing his search for work near Antioch, Calif., because his $392,000 mortgage is almost triple the price his home there would sell for today.”
“‘If it wasn’t for the house, I’d probably move closer to Oakland, Hayward, San Leandro, places where there are jobs,’ said Lopez, who is married with four daughters.”
The Press Telegram. “Longshoremen continue struggling to find work as container volumes in Long Beach and Los Angeles remain at levels far below their 2007 peak. Said one worker, Shaun Cibel, it’s been a meager existence for much of the past year. ‘Week by week, living check by check,’ Cibel said.”
“International Longshore and Warehouse Union Local 13 President George Lujan said the economic recession has been especially hard on West Coast workers, who have been slammed by the deep decline in international trade since 2007. Volumes are down as much as 25 percent since that time. ‘People are losing homes, losing income, marriages have broken up,’ Lujan said.”
The Santa Maria Times. “Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared last week that ‘the worst is over for California’s economy’ and predicted happy days ahead, saying, ‘Our economy is well-positioned to take advantage of the future.’ Not so fast. Schwarzenegger once again has allowed his characteristic optimism — or hubris — to cloud what should be his better judgment.”
“Not only is the worst not over, but we could see even worse economic times in 2010 as new waves of home foreclosures hit and as commercial real state takes a similar hit. Not only was the housing meltdown centered in California, but also we seem to have made ourselves less competitive in what is now a global economy. Our transportation network has the worst traffic congestion and the second worst pavement conditions in the country. Our taxes are among the nation’s highest and our academic achievement scores are among its lowest. We have achieved a dubious global reputation for regulatory complexity.”
“Schwarzenegger and other Capitol politicians have driven our credit rating to the lowest of any state, thanks to their irresponsibility on the deficit-ridden state budget and on approving more bonds than the market can absorb.”
“While our universities remain a stellar plus and Silicon Valley continues to lead in technological innovation, we are ill positioned to attract good-paying middle-class jobs. Almost all aspects of the agricultural segment are hurting, largely due to competition from abroad. The housing industry is an economic disaster area.”
“‘Well positioned to take advantage of the future?’ Not by a long shot. Unless we get our act together quickly, we’ll be only well positioned to become the next Michigan.”
Looks like the pesticide toxicity of the air & soil & water seeped into the Bakersfried social “Elite”
“The fake CPA letters, issued between January 2005 and January 2007, were used to buy more than $12.6 million worth of property that defrauded lenders of nearly $4 million.”
“…better known to locals as Crisp & Cole Real Estate”… for everyone!
Does a penchant for fraud run in families?
“Does a penchant for fraud run in families?”
Gypsies
Only?
Tramps and Thieves…?
(“The Slugas are now the second and third defendants in a federal case related to operations of the former Crisp, Cole & Associates, better known to locals as Crisp & Cole Real Estate.)
There used to be a poster named Crisp & Cole. Do you remember? Anyway, now it seems I’ve missed the bottom of the market on Long Island NY. Spent some of my money on whatever, lost hours. I’m fooked at this point, it seems. Unless I want to live in a bad neighborhood. Life sucks. And then you die. ( If you’re lucky!)BTW, what ever happened to NHZ? He was right, and the government has just stepped RIGHT in to keep those prices up. If I lived in AZ, or FLA, or NV, I could step up to a bargain, but not here. In my town, prices for anything decent just don’t go under 339K. It’s like a conspiracy. It probably is. The NAR and the banksters learned their lessons from the last downturn, too. Man, I’m feeling down tonight! At this point, my life insurance is worth more than I am.
Come on lender, don’t feel that bad. For as bad as it seems, every generation in every country has bad things to deal with and in most senses you are very lucky as the cost of renting is dropping and you still get to live in a house just like a “home moaner”.
It’s all jive anyway. If houses are “too expensive” it means that they cost to much to buy but you can still live in one much cheaper. I don’t think they will go up that much from here.
I was where you were times 10, living in N. Cal during the boom and it made me feel like crap but I saved, lived in a great rental and did fine. Better than most, even the owners. Who would have thunk it?? I didn’t.
Moving is good sometimes. Florida might be cool. Fishing, swimming, the beach, warm. Beauty and happiness can be found anywhere.
You will be fine where you are and fine if you move. Trust me. This house price crap will mean nothing to all of us someday.
NO you haven’t….people are stooopid and are paying their mortgage with everything they saved for the last 20 years…soon they will be broke…even though IRA’s and 401K are protected in a Bankruptcy, these morons losers and idiots don’t know that…..
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seems I’ve missed the bottom of the market on Long Island NY.
I hope you’re right, dj. Duration duration duration… they can’t keep this charade going forever.
What worries me is that by the time all this shakes out, the homes will all be fixer-uppers anyway.
“Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger declared last week that ‘the worst is over for California’s economy’ and predicted happy days ahead, saying, ‘Our economy is well-positioned to take advantage of the future.’ Not so fast. Schwarzenegger once again has allowed his characteristic optimism — or hubris — to cloud what should be his better judgment.”
I think someone switched Arnold’s steroids with Obama pills.
I think someone switched Arnold’s steroids with Obama pills.
Hope-ium for everyone, including the Governator.
Nah, Arnie’s got a plan to increase revenue, photo radar. That plan didn’t work so well for our neighbor, Arizona. Hahahaha
Indeed it hasn’t. Photo radar in the City of Tucson earns about as much as it costs.
There was an article about this yesterday in the telegraph (UK Paper) indicating the cameras would most likely be removed. Apparently in Arizona though they only have some 90 days to collect or prove you got your notice so they have a very low collection rate. I believe in California they can beat the money out of you and throw you in jail until paid, so it might work better here.
Predator was on TV the other day.. got me thinking about some of his other films.. True Lies. Total Recall. The Terminator.
.. and i felt kinda miffed that he traded something he truly excelled at for something he’s pretty bad at.
Not a total loss. He helped remove Davis, for which I’ll be forever grateful.
Don’t forget the memorable Junior. I remember joking with my kids when that show was on TV many years back that the pregnant guy would be the future CA governor…
Dealing with the assembly:
Kindergarten Cop
For CA taxpayers:
Raw Deal
Not seeing your point. Arnie has been better than Gray in what way?
When Enron and folks were screwing with CA, causing rolling brown-outs, Gray Davis hid under a rock and never showed any leadership. I think that, more than the Car tab tax, took him out of office.
Arnold tried, and got ran over by the unions. The Teachers and the Prison guards fought hard against reform, and sank the state.
Arnie has proven to be an even bigger corporate whore than Gray was.
He helped remove Davis, for which I’ll be forever grateful.
I lived in Cali then and voted AGAINST Davis’s recall but I did not like Davis.
It was a matter of principal. Ballot initiatives should never be able to be used to unseat a politician in a Republic because that would preclude hard choices being made when they are needed.
For example, President Truman left office with a 31% approval rating. He would have failed a ballot initiative. He is now considered on of our top 10 presidents. He made hard choices.
It’s one thing to tell some pollster that you “disapprove” and quite another to actually get involved and throw someone out of office.
It ain’t like we enjoy recalling governors and do it for kicks. Davis was only the second in history.
Ballot initiatives are like a whip. If used with discretion and care, they are little more than an effective threat. The threat behind the whip helps keep the political animals under our control, which is where they belong.
Initiatives, like guns, do have the potential to be misused, but that’s no reason to disarm ourselves.
“Shirley Mallin, president of the North Bay Association of Realtors, said plenty of such properties exist, but the lenders likely will release them in small batches in the coming months.”
“‘Otherwise,’ she said, ‘the pricing would plummet.’”
You wonder if they’re violating any laws by trying to fix prices. Of course, each individual lender has the right to sell or not sell any asset he holds at any time. But if the lenders are colluding, as I imply from this Realt-Whore, then there’s something nasty going on.
I think I smell the smoke of a smoking gun.
I still find it difficult to believe that they are that coordinated, and if they are in fact that coordintated it must be by accident and will prove itself a temporary condition.
…lenders for months seem to have held back large numbers of distressed and foreclosed properties in order to keep prices up..
Rather than colluding, imo, it’s far more plausible that they are simply fighting for their survival as individual entities.
Releasing and selling all the properties would force most lenders to book losses beyond their ability to absorb and, in essence, to commit suicide. Is suicide legal these days?
Bingo.
The banksters aren’t just holding a huge shadow inventory in an effort to stop prices from plunging. They’re trying desperately to not have to report their non-performing loans on those properties. They’re also overwhelmed by the sheer magnitude of the problem. Meanwhile, the shadow inventory keeps climbing and we’re due for some massive ARM resets this year and next.
This is going to get ugly.
If they released them all at once, they would have to ‘mark their value to market’. This would require massive injections of ‘capital’ to shore up their balance sheets . 70% or more of the banks and credit unions would go under and be taken over by the Feds. By ’slow playing’ the release of REO properties the banks are staying afloat, but barely. The same thing with short sales. Why should the bank take a hit to their balance sheet if inflation continues and the jobs increase (another 10 years) the banks can stay viable?? If you’re in Deliverance country or Rio Linda, can you understand ???
Kinda like a former semi-rich guy selling his sports memorabilia and watches one at a time to pay the electric bill, only he’s running out of the primo crap to sell at a profit.
Reuven:
Holding off supply means the bank wont have to declare the loss, means more”profit” and more bonus money
Now THAT should be prosecuted.
Originally designed and priced for the top end of the real estate bubble in 2007, the 12 houses that were originally intended as showcase model homes have all been finished with first-class amenities and details … the long-range plans for walking trails and open space, as well as a planned community center when other phases of the 2,500-home subdivision eventually are constructed.
I had to check. NO this is not the Anderson Valley in the wine country but rather some place up by Mt. Shasta. A deal on a house in the former may be worth it: someplace up by Redding isn’t.
Only 12 houses built out of 2,500. Sounds like a real deal to me. You go first.
They should have taken a play from the book of their competition and hired Erik Estrada to make sales pitches on late night TV for these hopeless properties.
Btw…Mt Shasta and surrounding towns are great places to vacation, hunt, cross country ski, hike, rock hound etc. What makes developers think they can plop down an expensive subdivision in a rural area like this with no decent job base?
Present population of Anderson is 9,000 and they want to build 2,500 houses in a single development? That’s going to roughly double the population. And they are about 50-60 miles south of the peak of Mt. Shasta - Redding is actually much closer.
Why is their 19 year old daughter planning to live at home for the forseeable future?
‘There’s been talk about harvesting sand and gravel there,’ he said. ‘That’s something that’s realistic.’
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH et al.
…and the Sandman Cometh !
I know this goes against the grain here, but the entire debacle the Hollister Freelance covered was -locally- generated Fraud. ( As was Crisp & Cole ) and about 10,000 ‘other’ hometown con-men.
I thought ‘all’ Evil starts on Wall Street?
DinOR …I agree with you that the market was riddled with
con men and fraudulent transactions and this drove market prices
up no doubt . But ,if lenders were doing their job so much of the fraud would not of been possible . Sure the con men move in when fraud becomes easy to commit . Heck, the whole way real estate was sold was to buy on leverage and sell to a greater fool based on a liar loan .
Had the masses of people rejected the Wall Street Ponzi Scheme and refused to buy property that exceeded their true ability to
pay and they rejected absurd prices than the bubble would of died a early death .IMHO ,you can’t say that the people didn’t go greedy nuts also regarding the prospect of short term ill-gotten gains .No doubt the regulators and all parties involved were sleeping on the job and didn’t want to interfere with the boom
market that was padding everyones pockets and creating the wealth effect in spite of it being a false prosperity founded on
faulty lending .
It’s really hard to believe that such a absurd bubble could of taken place and that people were so willing to go on toxic loans they couldn’t afford in the final analysis ,and it’s a real
study in GROUP THINK ,or brainwashing . I remember at the time of the boom almost every other commercial was a loan commercial ,or a commercial about real estate, or fixing up real estate ,or buying furniture for real estate ,or getting the life style you deserve by easy money .
Did the people who were competing for real estate know that these fraudulent transactions were the norm rather than the exception to the rule ? I think people in the business knew more
than the common Joe on the street and the con men just know how to exploit situations like this .
But , faulty ratings on securities was the biggest culprit in Wall Street being able to obtained these funds for easy lending that I find to be
the greatest factor that allowed the Ponzi Scheme to gain ground .
but the entire debacle the Hollister Freelance covered was -locally- generated Fraud.
But not if we follow the money.
Seems many outside of California take pleasure in dumping on the state. Likely s-o-m-e animosity is appropriate, but most California residents are not Lexus driving, entertainment insiders, nor entitlement queens, heirs to fortunes, or software geniuses - contrary to what dispirited, hostile internet bloggers suggest. Many Californians are just trying to stave-off this economic crisis with their six-figure incomes and their half million and up homes. Tiffany! How many times has daddy asked you nicely, don’t spill your Jamba Juice on my the Range Rovers seats - Christ!
When I was going to Mississippi to do post-Katrina reconstruction, much of the rest of the work group came from California.
I know there’s a stereotype of Californians being a bunch of pretty boys and girls who are above doing hard work. (After all, hard work is for those, gasp, illegals from countries to the south of ours.) But my fellow reconstructors were some of the hardest workers I’ve ever met.
And talk about standards. Even though we were all volunteers, we didn’t think about doing the job with anything less than our A-game. And this included the really dirty things like mucking out the houses.
One only has to watch 1 episode of “The Kardashians” to realize why everyone in the world hates us.
No brain, no talent, slacking, useless people living in luxury & acting like that’s “just how things are around here”.
I’m a native Californian & when I ever do accidentally flick on one of these lame reality shows…. I can’t help but to hate us too!!
>rant off.
If the Kardashians (including their late, unlamented father, who helped OJ Simpson get away with murder) aren’t reason enough for God to flatten Los Angeles with an earthquake, I don’t know what is.
OK Pat, Jr.
Oh come on ,that Kardashian Show just has to be made up with a script . They are all laughing all the way to the bank .
Oh I can identify…
Dumping on California ?
Nah…we’re just watching their famous house Exotic Deleveraging Dance as we might have to do the same striptease act grind next week with Suzanne.
Oh Suzie Q
Oh Suzie Q
Oh Suzie Q Baby I love you
Suzie Q
I like the way you walk
I like the way you talk
I like the way you walk I like the way you talk
Suzie Q
Work that pole.
Ahhhhh, CCR (Creedence Clearwater Revival). Bay Area group. Still love hearing their music.
Ria Rhodes,
Another big disservice to CA’s is the misconception that ‘all’ CalPers recipients have fatcat retirements. Anything but! I believe the avg. retiree is getting like $27,000 a year.
Hardly opulent.
They can’t refinance and their loan has exploded so their payments went way up, and then one of them got laid off. Now they are in my office.’”
Option ARM (no income, interest only) loans are designed to reset 5-years after origination. Many (up to half) were taken out by self-employed small business owners on very expensive homes. More bad news for housing prices.
She and Felice, who works part-time as a cook for the city of San Jose, depleted their savings and ultimately ran out of funds to continue paying down the adjustable loan, which leaped in early 2009 from $1,400 a month to $2,700 just as Jones lost her job.’
“‘That’s what really killed us,’ Jones said.”
Did this couple EVER have any reasonable chance to pay off the loan according to terms? Since interest rates are currently very low, this increase in payments was completly baked in on signing. These people (and their lender) made a highly leveraged bet that the house would appreciate enough that they could refinance before the loan reset. They agreed to pay much more than they could afford, and this is the fully predictable result of that decision.
“They can’t refinance and their loan has exploded so their payments went way up, and then one of them got laid off. Now they are in my office.”
Option ARM (no income, interest only) loans are designed to reset five years after origination. Many (up to half) were taken out by self-employed small business owners on very expensive homes. More bad news for housing prices.
Don’t you mean more *good* news for housing prices? Reductions are generally considered a good direction for prices.
Who needs Vegas when you can gamble in California and still have the House Odds against you ?
A new Shooter…coming out !
The Press Telegram. “Longshoremen continue struggling to find work as container volumes in Long Beach and Los Angeles remain at levels far below their 2007 peak. Said one worker, Shaun Cibel, it’s been a meager existence for much of the past year. ‘Week by week, living check by check,’ Cibel said.”
Longshoremen, especially in CA, are some of the highest paid and have some of the most restrictive work rules IN THE WORLD ($100,000-$200,000/year easy plus what they can steal). No wonder when shippers have a choice, they go elsewhere and then YOU DON”T have a job.
I don’t claim to know anything about the shipping business, but I would imagine that the longshoremen have also been decimated by modular ship-to-train/truck containers over the last 15 years as well.
I don’t have any first hand info either, but I suspect that most of the change to containerization of cargo happend 20-30 years ago.
I love how Tom Cruise’s longshoreman character in ‘War of the Worlds’ was portrayed as some hardscrabble worker who lived in a dump. He was probably better paid than the man his ex traded in him for.
In Colorado,
I thought I was the only other viewer that noticed that. IIRC he was a Crane Operator and they’re some of the best paid workers in the yard!
( Terrible re-make btw )
The longshoreman belong to unions with “suspected” mafia ties. Their work ethic sucks, they steal like fiends, and they demand exorbitant wages. For a long time they’ve been killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Now, much like the UAW, they might finally be reaping what they sow.
In the 1950s a deal was struck with the ILWU that cut the number of longshoremen (through containerization mostly), but gave those workers lifetime employment at very high wages. It’s important to remember that these workers move hundreds of billions of cargo through the West Coast ports–and there are about 10,000 of them. We’re getting pretty good bang for the buck here.
Ben Jones, thank you for another California report!
I was born in Southern California and I plan never to leave, because it has the best climate, in my experience, of any major English-speaking region, and the hauteur keeps me on my toes. But for my whole life I have had to bid for housing, food, everything, in a market dominated by people willing to go hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt that they never had a ghost of a chance of repaying. What divine schadenfreude now, to see these people finally busted and leaving the market! Let them move back to Arizona, Colorado, Oregon and take their depreciated Escalades with them. I am dancing in the economic rain, for someday, I will be able to afford a home in my homeland. Bring on the Michiganization of California!
This, by the way, typifies my contempt for the California borrowing class:
Raul Lopez, laid off from three construction jobs since October 2007, is focusing his search for work near Antioch, Calif., because his $392,000 mortgage is almost triple the price his home there would sell for today.”
“‘If it wasn’t for the house, I’d probably move closer to Oakland, Hayward, San Leandro, places where there are jobs,’ said Lopez, who is married with four daughters.”
You made your bed. Now lie in it, damn you. Lie in it!
Let them move back to Arizona, Colorado, Oregon and take their depreciated Escalades with them.
As if we don’t have enough Arizonans with depreciated Escalades already.
“‘If it wasn’t for the house, I’d probably move closer to Oakland, Hayward, San Leandro, places where there are jobs,’ said Lopez, who is married with four daughters.”
Ummm, OK, if your mortgage is 3x the price of what it would sell for today, and there’s no work where you’re at, maybe you could walk away and RENT????
Let them move back to Arizona, Colorado, Oregon and take their depreciated Escalades with them.
Move back?
I can’t speak for Arizona and Oregon, but most of the folks who have been moving from Cali to the Centennial State this past decade never lived in Colorado before! And now they need not bother coming out here, for there are no jobs.
You are going to get your wish. Michigan prices coming, low prices for houses and everone is “happy” now in buying. Just remember the middle class as we have known it will all but be gone. Only the high incomers and lower class will remain in California. The middle class will move to other states as California’s broken economy, high taxes on few remaining business and workers will take the final blow for those who might stay for the “sun taxs” to burn them bright red.
Jerry,
Interesting perspective. I have a number of friends ( and not exactly lower class btw ) and even the upper mgrs. are talking about packing it in.
They keep describing it as a “hollowing out” process. Even if you are making decent money at Google or wherever doesn’t mean you don’t have one foot in the gutter and I get the impression they’re tired of being on a financial tightrope?
Timothy,
My feelings exactly. I was born in San Francisco and love this area. I too plan on never leaving. You will be dancing in the rain, and I will be singing in the rain:
Doo-dloo-doo-doo-doo
Doo-dloo-doo-doo-doo-doo
Doo-dloo-doo-doo-doo-doo
Doo-dloo-doo-doo-doo-doo…
I’m singing in the rain
Just singing in the rain
What a glorious feelin’
I’m happy again
I’m laughing at clouds
So dark up above
The sun’s in my heart
And I’m ready for love
Let the stormy clouds chase
Everyone from the place
Come on with the rain
I’ve a smile on my face
I walk down the lane
With a happy refrain
Just singin’,
Singin’ in the rain
Dancin’ in the rain
Dee-ah dee-ah dee-ah
Dee-ah dee-ah dee-ah
I’m happy again!
I’m singin’ and dancin’ in the rain!
I’m dancin’ and singin’ in the rain…
- Gene Kelly, from Singin in the Rain
“You made your bed. Now lie in it, damn you. Lie in it!”
Lines for a Grave-Stone
Man alive, that mournst thy lot,
Desiring what thou hast not got,
Money, beauty, love, what not;
Deeming it blesseder to be
A rotted man, than live to see
So rude a sky as covers thee;
Deeming thyself of all unblest
And wretched souls the wretchedest,
Longing to die and be at rest;
Know: that however grim the fate
Which sent thee forth to meditate
Upon my enviable state,
Here lieth one who would resign
Gladly his lot, to shoulder thine.
Give me thy coat; get into mine.
– Edna St. Vincent Millay –
Chinatrust Bank of California…
(Hwy don’t…say…it…”Let me guess the loan was toxic?”
BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)
“Chinatrust Bank of California”
There’s at least two oxymorons in that phrase.
California == Michigan ??
Don’t make me laugh, Not going to happen, even if all coastal CA was turned into a tourist and retirement only region, it would still cost about 400K to build a minimal Single family home in coastal CA,
Stop dreaming, take advantage of the downturn while you ca if you can.
CA is becoming FL. Just retirees and illegals to work in the service industry.
No where to run and if you are going to live in your car, it might as well be in a warm climate. Wall Mart parking lots are filling up with over nighters.
So what you are saying is that home prices and incomes in CA are decoupled, because everyone wants to live here?
Since 1975.
How about since 2005? Has recoupling of home prices and incomes come back into vogue since then?
I think we are in for a long deflationary spiral. The liberals out in michigan killed that state. I mean killed it for years and didn’t learn a god darned thing.
I see the same disease here.
That would be a shocker, but not out of the question, given the widening disconnect between the CA housing and labor markets.
“it would still cost about 400K”
You’re working off the assumption that all of the “becasue we can” fees passed on by local gov’s thru the builders to the end user will remain intact.
With one failed development after the other going bust, I’m sorry I just don’t see that happening. Anyway, the gist was that CA has lost it’s edge, and ‘is’ in the process of losing it’s appeal.
“A 66,010-square-foot office building in the normally robust Del Mar Heights area of Carmel Valley has sold for half its previous value in what could be the first in a wave of high-profile, foreclosed commercial properties on the market this year, according to Cushman & Wakefield commercial brokerage services.”
Why can’t the banksters hold commercial RE off the market to prop up prices, the way they do with residential REO?
Is this some kind of annual ritual?
market pulse
Jan. 13, 2010, 2:31 p.m. EST
California downgraded by Standard & Poor’s
By Deborah Levine
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Standard & Poor’s said Wednesday it downgraded California’s credit rating to A-minus. The state’s previous rating was A, already the lowest in the nation. The rating agency also maintained its negative outlook, according to a spokeswoman at S&P, indicating more downgrades are possible. The downgrade comes as the state faces another multi-billion-dollar budget gap for the current fiscal year and has appealed to federal lawmakers for assistance. S&P last downgraded California last February.
And knowing how “nobody’s a loser” these days, they probably really deserved a C-, but it would have hurt their “self esteem.”
“Shirley Mallin, president of the North Bay Association of Realtors, said plenty of such properties exist, but the lenders likely will release them in small batches in the coming months.”
“‘Otherwise,’ she said, ‘the pricing would plummet.’”
Planet earth to spacecase Shirley:
Doesn’t matter if properties are released now or in the future.
The pricing *WILL* plummet. Bankers choice: Pay now or Pay later.
Shirley doesn’t seem to remember that the laws of supply and
demand still exist, even in the R/E market.
Here’s where the “hopebuilders” can really muck up the works. At the slightest sign of price increases they’ll likely do what they do best and build away again. So what will tomorrow’s consumer want - a mothballed house of bubble vintage or a brand new house?
I foresee no problem there which a few bulldozer operators paid with federal stimulus dollars could not solve.
Heck, Professor B, if it’s stimulus you want, replace each bulldozer operator with a few hundred folks from the unemployment rolls wielding spoons. That will keep the whole North Bay gainfully employed, and by the time demolition is complete, housing will have resumed its permanent upward trend!
“deeper into the middle class”…..”incomes of $150,000 to $200,000″
California must be operating in some kind of parallel universe,if $150-200K is considered “middle class”
What’s worse, if that pay band truly defines what is “middle class,” then I strongly suspect CA’s middle class has largely vanished.
Is that incomes as filed with the IRS, or incomes as stated on mortgage applications?
There may be something of a mismatch between the two.
I guess in the Golden State being middle class means dual his-n-hers 80k+ incomes. Not sure what percerntage actually fall into that category.
Bloomberg
Blankfein Response on Role Was ‘Troublesome,’ Angelides Says
January 13, 2010, 02:17 PM EST
MORE FROM BUSINESSWEEK
By Ian Katz, Christine Harper, and Joshua Gallu
Jan. 13 (Bloomberg) — Lloyd Blankfein, the head of Goldman Sachs Group Inc., failed to own up to his firm’s role in selling mortgage securities that helped trigger the global credit crisis, said the chairman of the panel investigating the financial meltdown.
“Mr. Blankfein himself never admitted that there was any responsibility of Goldman Sachs to make sure the products themselves were good products,” Philip Angelides, chairman of the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, told reporters after a hearing in Washington today. “That’s very troublesome.”
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Is a taxpayer-funded multimillion dollar banker bonus worth the price of a public flogging?
Jan. 13, 2010, 2:37 p.m. EST
Inquiry chief scolds big bank CEOs over ‘toxic’ mortgages
By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — As the Obama administration and Congress consider a raft of new fees and restrictions on banks and other firms that are seen as “too big to fail,” a commission examining the financial crisis scolded executives of the nation’s largest institutions Wednesday for packaging and selling toxic mortgage securities, considered key contributors in taking the economy to the brink of collapse in 2008.
“How do you go to the rating agencies and persuade them to give these subprime mortgage-related securities the highest ratings, at the same time as you have internal information that leads you to believe that in fact those securities may fail?” Phil Angelides, the chairman of the inquiry panel, asked Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS 168.87, +1.05, +0.63%) Chief Executive Lloyd Blankfein.
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You would of thought that this question about the loan products GS was slinging would of come up before the BAILOUTS . Oh ,I just feel so secure now that Congress is scolding the Largest Institutions for packaging and selling toxic mortgage securities that were mis-rated. Scolding ain’t the right remedy jerks …stop this show …….they belong in jail or sued silly . Better yet you Politicians gave them free rein to be what they are …so you bought off jerks created the mess …so you go to jail with them .
If you paid me 50 million dollars, or even 1 million, I’d do all the mea-culpa’s in front of congress that you’d like.
I’d like my “dog-n-pony” shows to educate [and] entertain.
“One way to stop a foreclosure is to file for bankruptcy.”
I don’t get this. Bankruptcy might buy some time, but in the end the homedebtor either starts paying as agreed or they’re out. Principal reductions are extremely rare. I’ve yet to hear of a principal reduction for more than $20K or so, which is a drop in the bucket if you’re underwater by six figures.
Familiar issues and challenges await Sanders
Insiders hope upcoming speech will address recurring budget woes
By Helen Gao, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
Sunday, January 10, 2010 at 3:31 a.m.
Sean M. Haffey
2010 State of the City
When: 6 p.m. Wednesday
Where: Balboa Theatre, 868 Fourth Ave., near Horton Plaza
Admission: Free
TV: Watch it on Cable Channel 24
As San Diego Mayor Jerry Sanders prepares to deliver his fifth State of the City address Wednesday, he continues to wrestle with the same issue that has preoccupied him since he took office in December 2005: fixing San Diego’s financial mess and thereby restoring public trust in local government.
There is wide consensus that despite the progress he has made to mend the city’s fiscal condition, San Diego is still plagued by a fundamental imbalance between revenues and expenses — a structural deficit that has brought round after round of budget cuts and service reductions that are projected to continue.
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Sanders has resisted any calls for the city to file for bankruptcy protection to reorganize its finances, or to raise revenues by imposing new taxes — such as a trash collection fee on single-family homeowners or a higher storm water fee. Both of those fees would require voter approval.
Sanders has focused his efforts instead on streamlining government, trimming the work force and reducing pension benefits, all of which have yielded some results. But he has made no headway in outsourcing city services through the managed competition process, which requires city workers to compete with the private sector for government jobs.
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And the 3rd 4th 5th 6th rail is making it easy to fire bad workers
just like in private business.. lateness, stupidity, bad customer service means the front door for good.
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Sanders has focused his efforts instead on streamlining government, trimming the work force and reducing pension benefits, all of which have yielded some results
“‘I’m not as worried about the future up here as I would be in other areas of Redding or Shasta County because this project is going to go. Call it experience or a gut instinct or a woman’s intuition, but I know this project will happen. It just depends upon when,’ Mrs. Crouse said.”
Oh, oh. Mrs Crouse has been talking to Suzzanne!