Empty. Unused. Searching For Purpose In Florida
The Palm Beach Post reports from Florida. “The Resort at Singer Island opened to rave reviews in 2007, attracting the likes of then-presidential candidate Barack Obama and tennis star Jennifer Capriati. Conceived at the height of the sizzling real estate boom, the resort is a condo-hotel. The resort has become a living hell for many who thought they could make money by buying one of its 239 units. Court records show nearly 60 units are in foreclosure. At least $1.5 million in assessments hasn’t been paid. And those numbers are expected to increase. ‘I have no intention of paying any more of those fees,’ said George Melillo, a retired pharmaceutical company executive who lives in Naples. ‘At the first of the year I decided to take my $300,000 loss and go on my way.’”
“‘It’s just been a devastating thing,’ said Sam Lasorda, whose $750,000 two-bedroom unit is now appraised at $240,000. ‘It’s been a financial disaster.’”
The Associated Press. “Florida Senate President Jeff Atwater told his chamber’s budget writers Wednesday not to raise taxes or fees during this election year to close a projected spending gap of up to $3.2 billion. Lawmakers last year relied on $2.2 billion in fee and tax increases as well as spending cuts and federal stimulus dollars to balance a $66.5 billion budget, but Atwater told the Senate Ways and Means Committee that Floridians ‘do not have one more dime to send us.’”
“Legislative economist Amy Baker said Florida will lag the rest of the nation in recovering from the Great Recession due largely to the state’s housing surplus. She said unemployment, which hit 11.4 percent in November, likely will peak at 12 percent later this year.”
“Baker also had some advice for budget writers. ‘Do nothing that adds any more houses to Florida’s inventory until it can work itself down some,’ she said. ‘Be wary of anybody promising a panacea or quick fix because they do not exist.’”
From Florida Today. “December home starts in Brevard County were at the highest level of the year. That’s the good news. The bad news? December was the best month of the second-worst year ever for the county’s home building industry.”
“Florida Tech economist Michael Slotkin said a housing rebound is key to easing the county’s unemployment woes. More than 20,000 jobs — 9,000 of them in construction — have been lost over the past four years. ‘We are not going to recover 20,000 jobs until there is a healthy housing recovery,’ he said.”
The Miami Herald. “Even though South Florida home prices are still dismal and foreclosures are expected to take years to sell off, two high-profile developers are taking a chance on building a 1,600-home community in Cooper City. partners Armando Codina and Jim Carr are betting consumers are ready to buy a brand-new home they say will be comparable in price per square foot with short sales and foreclosures. Prices will range from the low $200,000s to more than $400,000.”
“The 500-acre community will be built over the next several years on the largest undeveloped tract of land in the county. The partners say sales in the area are starting to inch up, and the timing is right.”
“‘I think we have come to the intersection where a new home price and a foreclosed price are meeting,’ said Codina, chairman of CC Devco Homes, a 2-year-old development company he and Carr founded. ‘And that is to me a watershed point and the reason I feel comfortable.”’
The Ledger. “2009 was the weakest year on record for Polk County’s construction industry. The 1,072 single-family building permits recorded here fell nearly 52 percent from 2008’s total, and made for the lowest annual sum in Ledger records dating to 1994. The county’s previous low was 1,625 permits in 1995.”
“‘We’ve truly hit bottom in activity,’ said Mike Hickman, a Lakeland builder. ‘It definitely is a reflection of the retraction of the market. There’s a lot of good buys on existing homes, so there hasn’t been a demand for new homes.’”
“Builders in Polk and across Florida struggled to stay afloat this year as the recession flooded the market with cheap, distressed properties. Soaring unemployment contributed to a record 10,747 foreclosure cases filed in Polk, according to the Clerk of Courts.”
“Median sale prices also have continued to fall as buyers gravitate to distressed properties, which accounted for roughly 60 percent of Polk’s existing home sales in 2009, according to data from the Home Encounter consulting group in Tampa. ‘Prices are still falling, so it’s a disincentive for builders to build new homes,’ said Alex Miron, an associate economist who tracks Polk for Moody’s Economy.com.”
The Tampa Bay Business Journal. “For Sale: 10 acres of prime real estate in the heart of West Tampa. Great spot for a hotel, ice rink or even a creative arts community. Must keep historic 80,000-square-foot building intact. Heritage Square LLC, which won a contentious and drawn out selection process three years ago to build a 300-room hotel and spa on the site where the Fort Homer Hesterly Armory sits, has shelved its plans for reasons apparently protected by a confidentiality agreement.”
‘Florida Department of Military Affairs public information director Jon Myatt… said Heritage Square simply became the latest victim of the economy where financing for projects like this is nearly impossible. ‘We had already negotiated a plan and both sides were comfortable with the plan,’ Myatt said. ‘And then the housing crisis struck and the available money for financing kind of evaporated. They couldn’t do what they had committed to doing, but that really had to do more with economic issues.’”
“So for now, five years since the redevelopment process began, the armory building will just sit and wait. Empty. Unused. Searching for that purpose that will keep it relevant, even 70 years later.”
The Charlotte Observer. “The parent company of Boyles Distinctive Furniture emerged today from bankruptcy, seven months after filing for Chapter 11 protection to reorganize and shed debts related to a failed expansion into housing bubble-plagued Florida.”
“At its peak, the company operated 34 stores in the Carolinas, Georgia and Florida, most under names other than Boyles. However, the collapse of the housing market and an accompanying decline in home furnishings spending forced it to shrink significantly. ‘We’re grateful to be emerging from this difficult but necessary process,’ Hendricks president Chad Hendricks said in a news release. ‘Now we embark on a new path, refocused on being America’s retail leader for well-styled, well-priced home furnishings – and on creating sustainable value for our employees, community and stakeholders.’”
The Sun Sentinel. “The Federal Housing Administration, which accounts for half of all first-home purchases, is making it tougher for borrowers to get loans by increasing the amount they have to pay for upfront mortgage insurance and cutting sellers’ contributions for closing costs.”
“‘This is going to create a greater hardship for first-time buyers,’ said Louis Spagnuolo, vice president of mortgage banking for WCS Lending in Boca Raton.”
“‘For some people, it will mean the difference between whether they buy or not,’ said Scott Tennell, VP of the Florida Mortgage Professionals Association.”
“The FHA rules could have a significant effect on the housing market once the first-time home buyer tax credit expires April 30, said Michael Citron, a real estate agent in Coconut Creek. ‘I think it’s going to put more buyers back on the fence,’ he said.”
“But other housing market observers doubt the rule changes are drastic enough to hurt home sales. ‘We’ve been trying to counsel people not to ask for more than a 3 percent seller contribution anyway because otherwise you’re sending a message that you don’t have enough money to buy a home,’ said Randy Bianchi, co-owner of Paradise Properties of Florida in West Palm Beach.”
From TC Palm. “Treasure Coast bankers are applauding recent efforts by federal agencies to level the playing field for them and other mortgage lenders. Last week, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development subpoenaed 15 mortgage companies to seek out possible fraud in an effort to stem losses on loans insured by the FHA. HUD officials, who oversee the FHA mortgage insurance program, said they haven’t found any evidence of wrongdoing by the lenders, and were singling out those with the highest default rates. None of those lenders is based in Florida.”
“W.D. Acosta, executive VP of Mortgage Lending Division at Stuart-based Seacoast National Bank, said the policy changes won’t have a big effect on mortgage lenders, a step-up in enforcement of regulations to rein in lenders with loose practices. ‘One of the problems leading up to our present debacle was the refusal of the agencies, and particularly FHA, to properly enforce their own rules,’ Acosta said. ‘This allowed some well-known lenders to ‘advertise’ reduced credit standards as being available through their organization; the understood nod and wink.’”
“Chris Russell, senior VP of Fort Pierce-based Oculina Bank, said he also favors the FHA actions to help level the playing field between banks and other mortgage lenders, which had not faced the same level of government regulations. ‘I don’t see this as any negative at all, and it won’t harm housing sales,’ Russell said. ‘The FHA is still allowing people to purchase homes with very low down payments.’”
“Florida Bankers Association President and CEO Alex Sanchez said only two of the 15 lenders involved are banks. Sanchez said he had been wondering when the federal government was going to act. ‘It’s about time we did this, for god’s sake,’ he said. ‘I’ve certainly talked about it since last year, saying we’ve got to regulate what we call the ‘shadow banking industry’ like the banks are regulated.’”
“Empty. Unused. Searching For Purpose In Florida”
Muggy in a nutshell…
*sobs*
(lol…)
“‘It’s just been a devastating thing,’ said Sam Lasorda, whose $750,000 two-bedroom unit is now appraised at $240,000. ‘It’s been a financial disaster.’”
Reverse those numbers and you get a result that is the summation of real estate for the last 10 years,… A.K.A know as: “going full circle” However, financially, what was at the beginning is not the same Sit-U-Ation that you’ll find at the end.
Why would anyone think that a hotel developer would sell you a condo-hotel that would cash flow positively rather than retain it themselves? The idea of profit makes no sense. Also, how could a buyer not know all the fees and costs before investing a million or so? If you don’t know the right questions and can’t run accurate and realistic numbers, why would you even consider buying? Do I feel sorry for someone investing their life savings into an enterprise they have no experience in, and didn’t hire anyone to run the numbers? Nope. Why would anyone think it is reasonable to rely on seller representations regarding future profits? I cannot think of a worse source.
…Owners said they were told the investment was a sure moneymaker. “They said it would be a 75-25, possibly a 65-35, split in our favor,” said Melillo, who paid $995,000 for his unit.
What they weren’t told was that various charges would eat into their profits. Owners are charged for housekeeping, reservation expenses, agent commissions, marketing, maintenance and insurance.
After all the expenses had been paid, the $50,402 one owner made in 2008 was reduced to $21,790. But that didn’t include the $2,650 monthly assessments, $8,300 in annual property taxes, $1,000 for yearly insurance or $40,000-a-year mortgage, plus other expenses. They turned the $21,290 profit into a nearly $60,000 loss.
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Might be wise to take a hotel/motel management course at the local JC before even thinking about buying into one of these condo/hotel things..
If anyone tells me that a business venture is a sure moneymaker, I run as fast as I can in the other direction.
I really liked the viewpoint of the Condo management turning the profit into a loss. What an idiot. There was no profit.
It was a failed plan from the beginning. Very few people here in
Florida will spend $600 per night for lodging. In Riviera Beach, a whole lot less.
But assuming they would: $600 x 365 x 0.8 = $175, 2000 annual income using a 20% vacancy rate, which is well below normal.
There income wasn’t even close.
50,400/600 = 84 days. 84/365 = 23% occupancy rate.
Unless, of course, they reduced the rate to attract ANY guests.
It is a STUPID business plan, based on pie-in-the-sky hopes of very wealthy people wanting to go to Singer Island. I think they would rather go to St. Maarten. You can get a flight for one night’s accomodations.
…It is a STUPID business plan…
And in business you would be..
Does the average condo buyer know anything about running a business?
Not that it matters, because you won’t have any say in how the hotel is run, even if you know how to do it properly..
While they might get to stay in the suite for free once in a while, these so called “owners” are just financing a very risky project.
I always wonder how they could be so dumb financially, but smart enough in something else to have a bunch of money to invest. This is basic math, multiply how much you clear per night by the number of nights rented, subtract expenses. Positive good, negative bad. Maybe they are all executives promoted because they have good hair. Or perhaps greed overwhelms all rational thought processes.
Seriously, what probably happened is they figured a 10% property value increase yearly forever, overcoming the rental losses. So as long as 10 years later somebody will pay $2 million for a 2-bedroom condotel in God-forsaken Riviera Beach (keep your Glock loaded and ready in the glove compartment), it’s a great plan.
I agree. They only expected the rental fees to cover part of the nut as they marched towards 100% appreciation in 5 years for a crappy condo-tel room.
In some parts of the country, some people honestly believed in REAGU to the tune of 20+% a year. So a $1 million condor-nest would be worth $6.2M in ten years, 38.3M in 20 years, and if they passed it along to their offspring then these lucky offspring would be quarter-billionaires in another ten years. By mid-century, America was set to have two types of a new billionaire-aristocracy class: the condor-nest owners (courtesy of their auntie Marge who had lots of business acumen and foresight), and the grandsons and granddaughters of current CEOs.
Well, ONE of these scenarios is not going to pan-out…
Natalie,
That’s been my contention all along. Back in ‘07 the wife and I spent a weekend on the OR coast. Yes, they had a condo-tel there and we stopped in for a goof. The on-site agent was o.k but her ref. us to an agent back in Portland to get the hard numbers.
No doing! Huh uh, his response to my every common sense question was “Why don’t you just make them an offer!” Thanks to his unprecedented level of realtwhore rudeness, we dropped the whole issue. Sadly that’s how these things are sold, prestige ( ha! ) and emotion. The -last- thing these promoters want to do is to get down to brass tacks.
“‘It’s just been a devastating thing,’ said Sam Lasorda, whose $750,000 two-bedroom unit is now appraised at $240,000. ‘It’s been a financial disaster.’”
Now THAT is a bubble popping. Unfortunatley here in metro Philly, we are maybe down 10% off the peak.
I would love to see a prominent business or political figure say that the key to this state’s future is something other than housing. I stand by my prediction of a peak Florida unemployment rate of 15% and decreasing population for many years. We don’t need any more subdivisions, condos, mixed-use developments, strip malls, resorts, or golf courses, and we should tear some that stuff down and go back to growing citrus, which at least has a future.
Has anybody driven I-4 in east Hillsborough lately? Both the papers and local news report that there have been periodic lane closures due to sinkhole activity associated with the pumping of groundwater. Also in the news is a report that Cypress Gardens in Winter Haven is going to become a Legoland.
I don’t like it. If you wipe out on a lake made of legos you’re going to get hurt. And it will damage the props.
To answer your question about a housing replacement, they have nothing else. There’s nothing out there that could replace the kind of taxes housing brings in. What do they get on the average new house, 25% in various fees and taxes? Can you imagine if Florida told a prospective manufacturer “come to Florida, we’ll only charge you 25% of the retail price (of what you make) in fees in taxes”!
they can grow soilent green.
I’ve avoided the area since in saw the reports of roadways collapsing. But sinkholes are springing up all around the west coast.
Pasco county is full of them and there is evidence of sinkhole damage (settlement) in some of the houses I have looked at this past year.
They often can be had for very cheap prices, but the costs to shore them up is high, and they will always have a cloud over them, provided the property insurers keep records of pay-outs for settlement damage.
It’s like getting a really good deal on a “salvage title” car here in Florida. Think the next buyer is going to pay a better price?? Not.
No Kidding, snakecharmer!
The realtors and builders can prattle on all they like about the importance of housing (like a restauranteur can about good food, a lwyer about sound legal advice et cetera), but it really galls me to see “professors” doing it. By now even politicians should know which way the wind is blowing.
Wow! Crossing your fingers and hoping for a rebound might have been plausible right as things were breaking down….strike that…any moron should have seen that this was way over done.
Time for another U-Haul Index (UHI) check.
14-foot truck, one-way rental on Saturday January 30 2010:
Tampa to Nashville: $966
Nashville to Tampa: $532
In a previous life, I traveled to Pt St. Lucie quite often beginning in 1996 and ending in 2008. From 1996 to 2002 or so it was a sleepy little burg, not much development not much else going on. Then the mainia hit, every bare square foot of land they could find were covered with condo’s, duplexes and S. Florida ranchers. Prices doubled or tripled in five years. The mania was unbelievable. Of course, now its just a sleepy burg again, albiet with a bunch of empty condo’s, duplexes and S. Florida ranchers.
It was an amazing thing for an outsider to watch.
I thought Florida was having problems with seawater infiltration, especially since sweet groundwater was being pumped faster and faster. And who wants to grow citrus anyway. You have to put in 4-5(?) years of capital expense before harveting your first poor little crop. You could get away with that in 1970, but these days no private company would put up with that, no siree. The free market demands profits NOW.
I have to give Florida legislators a little credit:
The Associated Press. “Florida Senate President Jeff Atwater told his chamber’s budget writers Wednesday not to raise taxes or fees during this election year to close a projected spending gap of up to $3.2 billion. Lawmakers last year relied on $2.2 billion in fee and tax increases as well as spending cuts and federal stimulus dollars to balance a $66.5 billion budget, but Atwater told the Senate Ways and Means Committee that Floridians ‘do not have one more dime to send us.’”
In California, where my legal residence is, lawmakers answer to closing budget deficits is soaking it to the taxpayers, and trying to milk every penny out of small business.
Florida, while it’s very corrupt and fraud-friendly, realizes that if the state stops being tax-friendly, it will lose any remaining appeal it has. For example, it was surprisingly easy for me to get my Florida property tax (on some unimproved land) lowered last year. I was expecting a battle.
Floridians ‘do not have one more dime to send us.’
Note he said “Floridians”, not “taxpayers”. Florida already charges non-residents several times more in property taxes than residents. How much you want to bet that the multiple will go up even more? Of course, that will just add to the downward spiral in RE.
I second that, Reuven. My friends (especially in NY) can’t believe our taxes are going down.
By the way, you should run for public office.
“‘I think we have come to the intersection where a new home price and a foreclosed price are meeting,’ said Codina, chairman of CC Devco Homes, a 2-year-old development company he and Carr founded. ‘And that is to me a watershed point and the reason I feel comfortable.”’
Has moral hazard written all over it. Without government support, prices are going to fall to affordable levels.
While there may be some vague connection between these dim witted developers finding money to borrow and economic recovery efforts, I see this as just another example of surplus stupid-money that needs to be burned before prices can bottom out.
Everyone (including govt) is rowing upstream. They won’t stop rowing no matter what. We just gotta wait until they run out of energy.
The rowing analogy is a good one.
I think the BOJ is still rowing.
The Sun Sentinel. “The Federal Housing Administration, which accounts for half of all first-home purchases, is making it tougher for borrowers to get loans by increasing the amount they have to pay for upfront mortgage insurance and cutting sellers’ contributions for closing costs.”
“‘This is going to create a greater hardship for first-time buyers,’ said Louis Spagnuolo, vice president of mortgage banking for WCS Lending in Boca Raton.”
“‘For some people, it will mean the difference between whether they buy or not,’ said Scott Tennell, VP of the Florida Mortgage Professionals Association.”
“The FHA rules could have a significant effect on the housing market once the first-time home buyer tax credit expires April 30, said Michael Citron, a real estate agent in Coconut Creek. ‘I think it’s going to put more buyers back on the fence,’ he said.”
Those FHA meanies have gone too far! Boo-hoo!
I wanted to explode as I saw FHA become Subprime2. Grrr…
Now if they just lower the limit on what they’ll lend. I’m sorry, but if you are doing well enough to borrow more than $417k, you should have 10% down to prove your track record. Heck, I’m ok with lowering the FHA limit to $289K. I do think there is a place in US society for FHA. I approve of the original intent for FHA. But $719K loans?!? No. FHA should never go above what 50% of the middle class can afford.
ok, rant off.
As to the meanies, I think we all know they’re just being spared a foreclosure.
Got Popcorn?
Neil
And how does the FHA “tighten” the rule?
By increasing the minimum credit score to 580 to qualify for FHA loans.
What a joke !
They are still trying to re-inflate the bubble. The FHA default rate on
recent loans hits record again, but who cares, tax payers are on the hook.
‘I have no intention of paying any more of those fees,’ said George Melillo, a retired pharmaceutical company executive who lives in Naples. ‘At the first of the year I decided to take my $300,000 loss and go on my way.’”
For some reason, hard-harded mikey has a little trouble drumming up much sympathy for a retired pharmaceutical company executive who lives in Naples taking a hit in the shorts for 300k and moving on.
You want sympathy George…Take twenty Valium 10mg and call me in the morning.
I wonder how much he’s underwater on his Naples property, or if he borrowed against it to buy on Singer Island. The Collier County Property Appraiser website shows he bought in the “Da Vinci Estates” in Naples in April 2004 for $1.22 million.
It’s so simple what is wrong . If Wall Street has the power to overtake the regulated markets by their unregulated markets ,especially in terms of lending ,than you don’t really have a regulated lending market that
protects the consumer or the risk associated with high risk/highly leveraged markets that can bring down the house of cards .The only question you have to ask yourself is why were unregulated markets and Wall Street firms and Insurance Companies part of a regulated Banking bail out ? We have always had FDIC to protect deposits in the banks .It’s because Wall Streets
toxic loans took over and became the leverage lending that fueled the real estate Ponzi Scheme and created the financial crisis . Wall Street was the
Market Maker regarding lending . If the regular banks have to have 10% reserves ,but Wall Street can leverage to 40x’s ,and Wall Street buys the loans of regulated Banks ,than Wall Street is creating the Market .
….why were unregulated markets and Wall Street firms and Insurance Companies part of a regulated Banking bail out ?
a banking bailout?
It was an economic bailout that happened to include banks.. and car manufacturers.. and insurance companies.. and anything else that was perceived to be a vital component of the economy.
Like it or not, “wall street” participants literally own just about every business of substance that exists in this country. If the stock market fails, the entire economy fails.
Joey
Stock purchases in Corporations was not the area that failed . The area that failed was CDO securities and credit default swaps that were tied into real estate that crashed in value . Wall Street investment firms should just stick to buying and selling stock because they failed at lending and leverage and even created a bubble because of faulty
lending and bogus business models and ratings of course .
Your acting like we couldn’t of lived without this excess bogus lending . FDIC would of covered the regulated Bank depositors .
Wall Street Investment firms ruined the private markets for funding for loans that
it’s crazy that you think that bailing out those rats keep anything
from falling . Money has been diverted into the stock market as of late in large part because it isn’t going to the credit markets anymore .
So do you think we should bail out the stock market if it takes a dive also ?(I’m just responding to your last three sentences in your post ).
I also would like the regulators to be concerned with the money flow . Because of lack of regulations on Globalism regarding money coming into American markets via the stock market ,you can get to much of a money supply looking for a place to park . Wall Street had tons of money and they ended up throwing it out into lending on real estate and everything else
that fueled the real estate bubble and easy credit .Wall Street eventually breached even underwriting just to get the money out and make money on it . We have the opposite problem right now ,but the point is that the money supply for lending has to go along with income and needs locally and certainly strict underwriting standards .
Commercial lending was absurd and all lending required so little skin in the game from the borrower that it’ was a joke . I was amazed at how much money was available during the boom times .Million dollar loans made like they were 20 dollars . Credit card companies and
stores were willing to give me a absurd amount of money if I wanted it .
Wall Street knows darn well what happened with their AAA ratings on
these CDO’s and their leverage games ,but they play dumb when it comes to any talk about what really happened.
Wall Street is scarred to death that they will bring back Glass-Steagall .
Wall Street is scarred to death that they will bring back Glass-Steagall .
Well, well, well. If they’re scared to death, then maybe G-S oughta get off the bench and go back into the game.
I get the feeling that down in Florida, people have figured out that leverage is a double edge sword. Your percent loss on that nothing down deal? Infinate. A $300,000 loss after having put $60,000 down? 500 percent.
According to a real estate finance textbook I have at home, leverage is what makes real estate exciting!
Leverage is a double edged sword. What a concept?
You can lose money on real estate. Unheard of.
There were offered a deal that could not lose money on paper and they are surprised that they lost 5 times their everything.
I love this blog
There are a lot of RE agents that drank the Kool Aid from the NAR Fountain of Stupidity.
They will be desperately seeking Suzanne’s Fools for their own moneypits…Oops…alligators…Oops…investments.
This should be entertaining !
Got popcorn ?
Got popcorn ?
Yeah, got a batch all popped up. And, to make the consumption lively, I’m going to drizzle it with hot sauce.
Speaking of losing things, the “investment” house across the street from me isn’t faring very well in today’s high winds.
A section of fence has blown down, and the young prince whose father bought the place just fixed it. Sort of. And lemme tell y’all a little secret: There’s another section of this same fence that looks like it could capsize soon.
Arizona,
You didn’t help it along in any way did you;-)
As a former realtor the condo thing just never made sense any more than times shares did…
At the core, a condo is not truly real estate at all, but is a pig with lipstick on. It is a way to trifle with people by dressing up a leasehold in legalistic hocus pocus to create the perception of owning real estate when one in fact does not. At best it’s sort of like buying stocks on margin and at its worst it’s….like buying stocks on margin.
A condo is an apartment….one rents apartments, unless one has been “shot through the grease”
Tell us more about your life as a former Realtor.
xxx
Were you a realtor, too?
“But other housing market observers doubt the rule changes are drastic enough to hurt home sales. ‘We’ve been trying to counsel people not to ask for more than a 3 percent seller contribution anyway because otherwise you’re sending a message that you don’t have enough money to buy a home,’ said Randy Bianchi, co-owner of Paradise Properties of Florida in West Palm Beach.”
Ummm, yeah - that’s the whole idea. I love Realawhores.