Bits Bucket For January 25, 2010
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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Home sales forecast to show sharp fall for December; first decline after 3 straight increases.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Last month’s sales of previously occupied homes are expected to be down sharply from November after prospective buyers were granted more time to take advantage of a tax credit.
Buyers last month were no longer scrambling to qualify for a tax credit for first-time homeowners that was due to expire on Nov. 30. To give the market an added boost, lawmakers extended it until April 30. They also added a new credit of up to $6,500 for existing homeowners who move.
Economists polled by Thomson Reuters forecast that sales completed in December fell 7.3 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 6.06 million, down from 6.54 million in November. The decline would reverse three straight months of increases.
December existing home sales down 16%, prices up 1.5%. All attributed to temporary suspension of first-time-house-buyer credit (low-end sales down, so numbers based mainly on move-up buyers.)
Its a great time to buy because interest rates are low, prices are down, the tax credit wont last forever, realtors are hungry, the economy is showing green shoots, stocks are up………………………………..? Time to go to s. ca and get in a bidding war with investors so prices are back up.Real estate can only go up from here right?
Please elaborate on the “temporary suspension of the first-time-house-buyer credit;” my understanding is that there was no suspension, just an extension.
My further understanding is that thanks to the deceptive manipulation of making it appear the credit would expire at the end of November, the last fence-sitting new-home buyers were already beaten into the market by November 30th. Even though the credit was still available in December, there were few buyers, a situation I expect to continue right up until the time the credit is set to be eliminated this spring.
You can also bet your bottom dollar the NARscum lobbyists will clamor for a further extension of the tax credit, on the grounds that the weak recovery could not withstand the elimination of any of the myriad home purchase subsidies in place.
Economic Report
Jan. 25, 2010, 10:17 a.m. EST
Existing home sales plummet 16.7% in December
Off-again, on-again tax credit whipsaws U.S. home sales
By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Sales of U.S. existing homes plunged 16.7% in December to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5.45 million from 6.54 million in November as a popular tax credit was set to expire, a national real estate trade group estimated Monday.
The 16.7% percentage decline from November to December was the largest on record, dating back to 1968, the National Association of Realtors reported.
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You’re right, Pbear - it wasn’t suspended. It just seemed that way, because first-time-house-buyers didn’t go into contract after Nov 1 until it was renewed at the end of Nov.
This drives me nuts. If there was no credit, prices would quickly get down to affordability.
I dunno — What about all these other issues:
1. Fed MBS purchases to drive down mortgage rates
2. Banks holding shadow inventory off the market
3. Big increase in market share of federally guaranteed FHA loans
4. FHA loans made available to flippers
5. Investment banks whose hedge fund departments are armed with zero percent loans which they use to fund real estate investments (just a hunch — no evidence to support this)
6. Other
7. Other
8. Other
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6. feds purchase of treasuries with money out of thin air
7. under the table kickbacks to 2nd lien holders in short sales
8.short sales to relatives
9. zero down loans via usda
10. loan modifications to people who dont need them via HAMP
11.Coming soon -no income documentation to people requesting loan modifications and principal reductions
There is always an upside to bad news on the housing front — in this case, for l-t Treasurys.
That last sentence I post below really has my head spinning!
Bond Report
Jan. 25, 2010, 10:25 a.m. EST
Treasurys pare loss after home sales plunge
- Treasurys head to weekly gain as fears revive
- A bailout for Bernanke
By Deborah Levine, MarketWatch
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Treasury prices headed lower in early trading on Monday, pushing yields up for the first time in four sessions, with analysts citing less uncertainty about the reconfirmation of Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.
Treasurys pared the decline after a report said sales of existing homes dropped much more than forecast last month, supporting investors who see a rocky road ahead for the U.S. economy.
Yields on 10-year notes (UST10Y 3.62, +0.01, +0.36%) rose 1 basis point to 3.61%. Yields move inversely to prices and a basis point is 0.01%.
Yields on 2-year notes (UST2YR 0.81, +0.02, +2.41%) rose 2 basis points to 0.81%.
With Ben Bernanke facing a rocky reconfirmation, the markets are getting jittery about the outlook for monetary policy. Tony Crescenzi, Pimco’s bond-fund manager, assesses next steps for investors in an interview with MarketWatch’s Laura Mandaro.
“The cheapening of the Treasury market has been attributed to the easing of fears that Bernanke may have trouble in the confirmation process,” said strategists at CRT Capital Group.
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“The cheapening of the Treasury market has been attributed to the easing of fears that Bernanke may have trouble in the confirmation process,” said strategists at CRT Capital Group.
Certainly you can sacrifice some yield to ensure the master and commander is re-appointed?
So if Bernake is re-confirmed, and treasuries stay cheap, then what happens?
The cheapening of the Treasury market has been attributed to ” borrowing too much ”
how about that ?
Deflation.
“Cheapening” - HA!!!
Treasuries are extraordinarily, hugely expensive right now, precisely because of Mr. Bernanke’s helicopter policies. A measly 1-2 basis point drop in prices is a pittance. Actually I’m surprised speculation of his re-up hasn’t caused a big run up in prices (i.e. run down in yields).
Can news that U.S. home prices have resumed their precipitous decent be long to follow?
U.S. Home Sales Tumble
By REUTERS
Published: January 25, 2010
Filed at 11:19 a.m. ET
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Sales of previously owned U.S. homes fell at the fastest pace on record last month as the boost from a popular tax credit faded, industry data showed on Monday.
The National Association of Realtors said existing home sales fell 16.7 percent to an annual rate of 5.45 million units in December. Analysts had expected a 5.90 million unit pace.
“The drop in home sales is the payback for the acceleration of sales that occurred with the original first-time home buyers tax credit. … There is an issue as to whether the decline represents a fundamental weakening,” said Pierre Ellis, senior economist at Decision Economics in New York.
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And in spite of this and other bad (and of course “unexpected”) news the stock market is up!
Simply amazing! What will happen when the stim cash runs out and the economy REALLY tanks? How are they gonna spin that away?
OT: ( But I thought everyone would get a regal KICK out of this? )
Went home for lunch and checked the mail and… the REIC’sta Thugs are at it AGAIN! I got a hand written letter from the former Developer/Builder/Local Banker that said:
“A word of caution: The next thing you here may not be from me!”
Wow.., whoa, wow, they just don’t know when to give UP do they!? So… does this mean the ‘next’ thing I hear is from an attorney? Don’t make me laugh, the only one involved in “defamation of character” uh… would be YOU!
Or is it to be left to my imagination that I’ll wake up with my favorite horse’s decapitated HEAD lying next to me in my bed? These guys just don’t get it. It’s like it’s still 2005 and they’re calling all the shots. Dude, you’ve been barred from banking for LIFE, the sordid details of your exploits are Public Knowledge on the internet and you don’t HAVE the money to hire a damned atty! Sheesh, now he’s trying to control our HOA process to get to the bottom of who is responsible for endless discovery of defective construction!
REIC’ster for LIFE yo!
That is too funny, but also a little scary. These failed developer types have been doing all kind of whacky things of late.
A quick recap would make this story even funnier for those who have not had the historical benefit of your long-running relationship with this wingnut.
What’s his name - I need to Google and get a good laugh.
I was reading up About John Edwards , fancy lawyer & former would-be President, and his problems . When he opens his mouth , he is lying , seems like .. This man had a good shot a becoming President just 2 years back . Is he extra bad , or did he just get caught at it ??
Or did the MSM just cover it up for their golden boy democrat president wanna-be?
Or can you imagine the coverage if this was a republican?
Since the folks that run the media are the ones that decide what is news and what is not news they get to enjoy numerous opportunities to shake-down people when they happen to stumble on some dirt. I wonder how much of this shaking-down goes on? Anyone know?
Ask Tiger. The press knew about his infidelity
for years and never a peep from them.
The players on tour with him new it also and not a peep from them either…Likely the gentleman’s agreement….”Don’t tell on me I don’t tell on you”…
Or maybe I’ll swap your ho for my ho…
scdave,
Probably, is it just me or did the rest of you enjoy golf a lot more when it was for squares?
We talk a lot about the wasted dollars going toward banker’s bonuses but the sheer amount of dollars pumped into the golfing ind. are an utter waste.
Tiger = money and the PGA loved the money.
The PGA pushed Tiger to the front so many times while ignoring their own rules just so
he could put a new glorious face on the game.
I loved Palmer, respected Nicholas, laughed with the Tex-Mex and Fuzzy, and rooted for
Michelson. Tiger was the machine, so clean,
so mean, the game was his and he blew it.
So did the PGA.
I agree with Rancher…
Maybe it’s just me, but all this talk about him being a “sex addict” is just another Oprah-like, campaign against so-called “destructive behavior”.
Nobody would be calling him a “sex addict” if he wasn’t married. And there isn’t a 20-30 year old, hetro guy in America who wouldn’t be a “sex addict” if he had 200 gazillion dollars in the bank, and had as many women throwing themselves at them like these guys do.
His mistake was getting married in the first place. Another thing that nobody is asking, is if he felt any pressure from family to have kids before his dad passed away. People have had kids for stupider reasons than that.
Good analysis!!
YUP GS nobody pushes you to have kids if you are jus’ shackin up….uh huh
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His mistake was getting married in the first place. Another thing that nobody is asking, is if he felt any pressure from family to have kids before his dad passed away. People have had kids for stupider reasons than that.
Speaking of scdave’s “players on the tour” comment, I seem to recall that Tiger’s, umm, activities, were also well known among LPGA members.
My dad was a member of Arnie’s Army and never liked Jack Nicklaus. But when he was alive he told me that Arnold Palmer had a reputation as a serial womanizer. Back in those days reporters protected celebrities like Arnie, Jack Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy, J. Edgar Hoover, etc, etc.
In my grandma’s day the term for “sex-addict” was: “over-sexed.” Has a slightly different connotation….
Even now the MSM is giving it Page 26 coverage. But if Saraha Palin’s daughter’s ex goes on a talk show….P1 coverage for a week.
But there’s no liberal bias in the MSM. Perish the thought.
They’re watching you Eddie. They know you’re onto their secret plan, and they’re going to take you down. Liberals in the shrubs…. liberals in the trees, with cameras, microphones and notepads, just waiting for you to slip up.
They see up your toilet. They know what you’re up to…
But if Saraha Palin’s daughter’s ex…
First daily partisan comment by Eddie: At the 51 minute mark of today’s Blog.
Tiger’s an entertainer (i.e. pro athlete, although golf seems more akin to darts, chess, didddly winks and hot dog eating contests). perhaps interesting, but mot relevant.
Palin was and IS a pretender to the throne, thus relevant.
Edwards seems to have taken himself out of the picture but analogies of newscoverage between him and Palin are fair game.
Eddie, I think you consider cable news to be the mainstream media. It’s not. You won’t see anything about Sarah Palin or John Edwards on network news or in serious newspapers.
There’s been lots of coverage. The guy is disgusting. I hope there’s a hell for him. Shows how people want to believe in a pretty, slick package.
On cnn right now 9:15am) no mention of this story on the main page.
Both Edwards and Palin are headed for their own reality show.
Liberal bias? Are you kidding? I’ve heard next to nothing in the press about John Ensign or David Vitter doing the exact same thing John Edwards has done.
Edwards is totally irrelevant now. So is Larry Craig…however, only the liberal one is still in the news.
Remind me again when Vitter and/or Ensign were on a national presidential ticket.
Ensign announced an intention to run for President, so did Mark Sanford. Edwards lost the election on his own and was washed up before the scandal broke.
LOLZ. Nice try. Comparing two people who intented they might maybe someday run vs. someone who was the VP nominee in 2004.
Yeah, I’m actually much more interested in the ethics of someone who might run for president and is currently in office…than someone who ran 2 years ago and never will again. Guess that makes me weird in your book.
Clearly, your priorities are the same as the MSM, so why did you complain in the first place? Oh yeah, because you only care to hear about corrupt Democrats, even if you have to dig up ones no longer in office.
Come on?? John Ensign, David Vitter and Larry Craig were not the running mates for a Presidential candidate and they did not run for president, twice.
Of the ‘family values’ politicians I have mentioned: John Ensign, David Vitter, and John Edwards…only John Edwards is not holding any public office…so the MSM clearly has its priorities straight.
As far as Larry Craig is concerned, while he is no longer in office, I haven’t heard a squeak about him from the media. I’m guessing neo-cons have more of a right to privacy?
I guess CBS and CNN don’t count. Of course the Vitter story was also four years old when it broke, while Edwards was making babies on the presidential campaign trail and while his wife was fighting cancer. We are talking judgment and orders of magnitude here.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/09/national/main3037338.shtml
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/16/vitter/
Ah good point, the wife having cancer makes all the difference.
I guess a sitting senator and possible presidential contender bribing the husband of his mistress with campaign money and enticing his own parents to use their private money to do the same was a less compelling of a story and violation of public trust.
lol!
can you imagine the coverage if this was a republican?
1st partisan comment: at the 19 minute mark
I think elements of both are in play here. He is extra bad, and he got caught during a time when the public is fed up with the conduct of politicians.
Here in NC, the former NC governor’s aide was indicted last week on 51 counts of various corruption charges. From the Charlotte Observer website:
“Last week’s indictment of corruption charges against Ruffin Poole, a close aide to former Gov. Mike Easley, however, comes when Democrats lack the advantages of recent years.”
“Poole is accused of 51 counts, including bribery, racketeering, money laundering and extortion during his years as Easley’s personal assistant and special counsel.
The indictment describes Poole, 37, as the “go-to guy” to get things done in Easley’s office, with people calling him “the little governor” because of Easley’s reliance on him to assist political supporters.”
charlotteobserver dot com/politics/story/1202371.html
Back to John Edwards- he is being painted as extra bad and I think the press is breathing a sigh of relief that he wasn’t elected to the vice presidency and that his presidential campaign was unsuccessful.
In my opinion, the fourth estate was asleep at the wheel during the campaigns and now they’re making up for it by showing no mercy.
Another John Edwards story from Friday’s Charlotte Observer:
John Edwards ends string of denials: ‘I am Quinn’s father’
Under the cloud of a grand jury investigation and upcoming tell-all book, he admits the child living in Charlotte is his.
charlotteobserver dot com/politics/story/1196470.html
You play you pay!!!!!!!!
Ol’Bubba,
Correct, and given the man’s ramapant sense of vanity, he’d be gettin’ some on the side regardless of party affiliation. After a certain point, people are on their own when it comes to explaining their greedy behavior.
You know, that gal could have said ‘no’ too?
True. Lots of women go for men with power. In that sense, age does not matter. It takes two to tango.
Did you mean lots of women go for men with money?
Bill
LOTS of women go for men that are MARRIED
Maybe you should start wearing a wedding ring?????
Lots of indebted men hold positions of power.
“Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac”.
- Henry Kissinger
My point was more along the lines when someone runs w/ the headline like “former Marine kills wife, turns gun on self”.
Edwards is on his own, oh and good luck! I hope he gets cleaned out.
“Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.”
So said an ugly knome.
Anyone who would sleep with kissinger had to be on something?
aNYCdj,
I’m allergic to marriage. Also too old to have healthy children anyway. I spent too much time on a remote military base with a ratio of 4 to 1 guys to women, and it was a Bible thumping town, so I may as well have been in prison for eleven years. That was during the years most men become fathers, mid 20s to late 30s.
My parents never warned me about that, never encouraged me to find a woman and make grandchildren for them. They were wonderful parents - the best - though. Maybe they did not wish me to be tied down - smart of them!
Good one Bill….being tied down…and even if you have a woman she could be like mine and never driven a car before.
A few years ago when i started reading this blog i was seriously thinking of moving back to Charleston SC. They always had a good bus service to downtown so a 2nd car wouldn’t have been a necessary purchase. But now I think the window has passed. The unemployment is high and what we would have saved on rent now would mean having to get the 2nd car to find work. And Charleston is very spread out. Here i can get a bus to the subway to Times Square in about 30 minutes
“and I think the press is breathing a sigh of relief that he wasn’t elected to the vice presidency and that his presidential campaign was unsuccessful.”
Are you kidding? You do know that a sitting president or vice president getting caught in all those lies makes even better copy than a former senator and candidate getting caught, don’t you? Way more stuff to speculate about (how will this scandal derail the country?) if he were elected. That doesn’t mean each individual member of the press wants government to devolve into a series of sex scandals, but it sure sells papers….
Silly me. To think that there are still journalists who take their responsibility to ask the hard questions seriously? To ask those hard questions in a timely manner? Good one, Bubs. I guess I’ll find those journalists in the same place I find the statesmen.
Thanks for the reality check, Polly.
The problem with people working for the government in high office is that they might be a victim of blackmail if they want to prevent exposer of a “affair” let say . It’s a security problem because lets say the black-mailer is foreign and demands something that will compromise the United States . Or lets say the women involved in the affair becomes the blackmailer and they decide to talk …like some people believe M.Monroe was going to do with JFK. because she was a women scorned .
SHEEEEEIIIIIIT, Where “State representative Clay,” when you need him.
LOL… One of my favorite lines of all time, Jim! I still find myself saying it on occassion…
Continuing the thought here . Our SC Gov . mark Sanford can’t keep his Pants zippered either .What’s with these Southern Politicians ????. Both Edwards & Sanford have Wives that have real Backbone to them ..Both are real smart , but don’t kid yourself ,both women have a handle on the situations , and are looking out for themselves . Hope they get all the assets , in the splitups .
Seems he didn’t have the media damage control capabilities which enabled the Clintons to win the WH.
When he opens his mouth , he is lying , seems like ??
He is a Plaintiff Lawyer…And a very good one at that…Top shelf spin doctor…
This stuff has been going on forever. FDR had a mistress, Eisenhauer, JFK by the boat loads, Clinton etc. I suspect Ronney had taken up with Nancy before the split with Jane. Nixon and Lyndon, they had problems in other areas. GHWB, GWB and Barrack? We probably just haven’t found out yet. And that is just the Presidents.
Whats different today is the 24 hour news cycle. With a half dozen or more “news” channels with 24 hours to fill, the need for salacious stories is just huge. And the American public’s appetite for the information is just as huge. Sad, but true.
Back in the day, with the national news being given 24 minutes at 6:30, only the really important stuff.
There were rumors about GHWB. The lack of spotlight always intrigued me. There was a specific name involved in the allegations. Supposedly visits to Blair House.
Not a great visual, but better than Nixon, I guess. And nobody in thier right mind would cross Barbara Bush.
John Edwards is the poster boy for liberal democratic hubris and hypocrisy. A public face for the adoring dupes who always fall for charismatic flim-flam men promising “change,” while in private an amoral, narcissistic slimeball.
Thought they were all ‘republicrats’. Or is that just used to mock others?
Since the National Enquirer was the paper that broke open the John Edwards story should they not be contenders for the Pulitzer Prize?
That would put them right up there in the same ranks as the NY Times and Washington Post for investigative reporting.
The fee for applying for the prize is fifty bucks. I think a good story might emerge from the treatment of their application.
Banks prepare for battle over US reforms
FT | 1/25/10 | By Tom Braithwaite
After the Democrats’ electoral defeat in Massachusetts last week, President Barack Obama beefed up both the substance of financial reform and the rhetoric designed to sell his policies, but stopped short of a major personnel change.
“The elections in Massachusetts sent him a powerful message that he is not doing the right thing - nationalising the liabilities of the banks without nationalising the banks,” said George Soros, the fund manager, who welcomed the subsequent regulatory announcement as a “step in the right direction”.
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0bama is going to double down. The “marxist one” can’t help himself. Nationalize all commerce is the solution to all problems. Government knows best.
I don’t know bananna. I don’t see character there. Do you believe he has an agenda or just played into the Queen for a Day game. I think he is narcissistic and it’s all about him, not about some revolution or ideal. That leaves only a personality contest, and he seems to be clawing at the sinking sand. He could become unpredictable and a liability to his handlers. I expect him to look increasingly angry and to act with increasing ineffectiveness. Just my take.
Wow, if ‘that’ is the banker’s take on things, I’m not sure I was watching the same election? I don’t recall Brown running on a platform of status quo for basically insolvent banks that somehow manage to still pay out bonuses?
DinOR,
I think you are correct. Brown is not what the Republicrats think he is.
The Successor to Himself, The Right Hon. Sen Ted Kennedy is a Republican?
Really? (That is a rhetorical remark.)
The Democrats are scared that the Republicans will “take back Congress.”
The Republicans are gleeful that they will “take back Congress.”
Rush and others are giddy that they will “take back Congress.”
The POTUS is scrambling so that they will not “take back Congress.”
Taking back Congress has zip to do with it. Again, we are in uncharted, unknown territories. Personally, I don’t think my Representative Rodney Alexander, Senator David Vitter, or Senator Mary Landrieu care about what they should be doing. It is all about “Don’t just stand there, do something!” Any action at all must be good.
Maybe it should be “Do just do something, stand there!” The whole issue of globalization and the debt crisis coupled with war is not even partially understood. Remember that medicine used to include bleeding and poisonous compounds that did more harm than good. If the doctors of the time did nothing, it would have been better for the patient.
I remind everyone here about Mr. Magoo (AKA Alan Greenspan) and his “conundrum”. He did not understand what he was doing when he was fiddling with the FED interest rates. To make it worse, he thoroughly believed that he was right.
None of them have a clue. Not one.
Roidy
ACH,
Yes, and they are ‘all’ deliberately misreading the tea leaves and entrails ( to their own end of course? )
It was a truly historic event and I dread to see anyone rush in to fill the void w/ their own half-baked agenda. The ‘message’ was, ignore the voters on important stuff and we can ditch you like an ugly girl at a dance! Really nothing more.
They’ve stocked the entire dance with ugly girls. You just trade one for another.
ACH …If all these clowns can’t see how important it is to come up with painful but right decisions regarding the crisis ,instead
of their response to special interest groups ,than they don’t belong in office . We are having a National crisis that affects everyone ,but they are not making their decisions based on that premise . Never mind Wall Street ,its America at Stake .
So the corrupt GOP establishment is giddy over “taking back Congress” from the corrupt Democrats. Meet the Old Boss, Same as the New Boss.
“The elections in Massachusetts sent him a powerful message that he is not doing the right thing - nationalising the liabilities of the banks without nationalising the banks,”
Is it me or is that very poorly-worded sentence?
Does he mean the right thing to do is to nationalize the liabilities, but not the banks, and that Obama’s not doing that?
Or that the right thing to do is to not “nationalize the liabilities but not the banks”, but that’s what Obama’s doing?
Either way, he’s wrong. Obama’s not the one nationalizing the liabilities - that was primarily done via the TARP under Bush. And we’re most definitely not nationalizing the banks without the liabilities - see TARP, TALF, Fed MBS, etc.
I think Soros’ point was that if you’re going to nationalize the liabilities you should also nationalize the bank. Thus you wouldn’t have the top boyz getting fat bonuses with bailout money, which (rightly) angers people.
Nationalize everything. Health care, banks, cars, airlines, TV networks. Government knows best. While we’re at it, why spend all that money on elections every 2 when instead we can spend it all on giving everyone “FREE” health care. Harry and Nancy can be King and Queen of Congress with St. Barry, President for Life.
The strawman king lives! Please exaggerate your dire scenario as much as humanly possible!!
Well let’s see..
Have banks been nationalized? Yes.
Have auto companies? Yes.
Has health care? Just about.
Is there a nationally run network? Yes and two if you count NBC which is in effect an arm of Obama’s govt.
All that’s left is airlines and you know very well that’s coming.
Please exaggerate ??
The mouth from the South….
OK, Eddie, ya got me that time…
“Have banks been nationalized? Yes.”
Last time I checked private investors could still buy shares in all the Megabanks. That’s not “nationalized”.
“Have auto companies? Yes.”
Last time I checked Ford had not received a nickle in bailout money and Chrysler had been sold to Fiat. Not to mention that there are plenty of “foreign” automakers that have plants in the US.
“Has health care? Just about.”
You gotta be kidding? That battle is over.The insurance companies and big pharma won.
“Is there a nationally run network? Yes and two if you count NBC which is in effect an arm of Obama’s govt.”
And the privately owned networks outnumber the so called “gov’t” networks by a ratio of about 100 to 1.
Professor Bear is correct. You are the strawman king.
Colorado is correct.
“Nationalize the airlines”
I’m betting that a lot of people would vote for that to happen, if they could get the customer service up to the level you can get at your typical Post Office.
Or one augers in, because of some half-a$$ed work done to an airplane in some Third World repair center.
Prior to ‘78, the airlines were defacto nationalized with the CAB setting the fares. I guess a regulated utility is a closer analogy.
Service was great, the prices not so much. The first airline trip I took in my life was in 1972, the price was $308. I remeber that as in the day that was a huge amount of money. Same trip today, < $250, including a bunch of taxes that no one had thought of in 1978.
I don’t love the airlines, but to a large extent we are victims of our own demand for the cheapest airfare possible.
Obama Derangement Syndrome is alive and well.
Thanks for the heads up EddieTard.
Nationalize everything.
Or better yet, let Wall Street manage them. That’s bound to turn out well.
So Eddie thinks we should just hand the banks cash and shut up? The banks should be taken over no bailout then broken up and sold back into the market. Bond holders and stock holders should have felt the pain.
The plan nationalizes corporate losses to save the people’s stock market. It’s a brilliant plan, no?
All you have to do is just look at what would of happened had they
just let the standing law handle the crash at the time and you get the answer on at least part of the reason why they did it .
“It’s a brilliant plan, no?”
No.
Some of us wish he would stick it to them!! But are increasingly of the opinion he never will.
It’s not a question of capitalism/socialism, it’s the well known notion that we privatize the profits and socialize the losses that sticks in the craw of 80% of us here.
Anybody can organize their capital off-shore and do whatever the hell they want. It’s when they sit around getting multibillion dollar handouts and criticize reform as “socialism” that one’s blood boils.
Representing government employees has turned unions into determined supporters of tax increases and more government spending. Higher taxes mean the government can hire more workers and pay higher wages.
Arizona. The Arizona Education Association (AEA) successfully lobbied against a repeal of a $250 million a year statewide property tax.[16] The AEA helpfully identified another $2.1 billion in tax increases for the legislature to pass to forestall spending reductions.[17]
Maine. Mainers rejected a ballot initiative in November 2009 that would have prevented government spending from growing faster than the combined rate of inflation and population growth and require the government to return excess revenues as tax rebates. The Maine Municipal Association, the SEIU, the Teamsters, and the Maine Education Association collectively spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to campaign against the initiative, and it ultimately lost by a wide margin.[20]
Minnesota. AFSCME Council 5 unsuccessfully lobbied state legislators to override Governor Tim Pawlenty’s veto of a $1 billion tax increase in the spring of 2009. Two Democrats joined all the Republicans in the state House to uphold the veto. In response AFSCME endorsed a primary challenger to one of the Democrats.[21] AFSCME is now lobbying state legislators to raise taxes by $3.8 billion.[22]
Oregon. Public employee unions in Oregon provided 90 percent of the $4 million spent advocating two ballot initiatives to raise personal income and business taxes by $733 million.[24] The unions want the tax increases to prevent cuts in the gold-plated medical benefits for state workers.[25]
You can add IL to your list. Same thing here, a 50% increase in state income tax has been proposed and its most vociferous proponents are the same parties named above.
Know thy enemy homeownazz, in many cases it might be your neighbor. Oh, that’s right - there are certain “untouchable” professions that can’t ever be paid enough. Fine, no problem, just accept that everyone else in gov’t will ride their salary/benefit coattails, and accept that as a homeowna, you’ll be paying, and paying, and paying. It’s a good thing homeownazz are such a generous people, otherwise the world might grind to a halt!
edge,
True, just went thru this w/ our retired OR state employee HOA Prez. First sign of the slightest difficulty and he’s pushing for an increase in mo. fees!
It’s the answer to everything. You’re aware that in OR, landing a job w/ the state is about the same thing as hitting the lottery, right?
DinOR, I seriously think that’s become the case in every state!
I don’t think I’d be too excited to have a government job in California right now.
It’s the Holy Grail here - state, city, county, university, whatever. Benefits, holidays, security, earlier retirement than the rest of us shlubs.
They like to pooh-pooh it but that’s just spin.
Its disgusting….The true wealthy (as a group) around me are the retired government workers…
Looks like more people are beginning to recognize what I’ve been saying here for some time. The three most well-off groups in the U.S. are:
1. Wall Street Banksters
2. Government employees (Fed, state, local)
3. Retirees (including govt retirees of course)
Groups 1 and 2 will continue to work together to maintain their elevated positions while throwing an occasional scrap to the others.
“Its disgusting….The true wealthy (as a group) around me are the retired government workers…”
I see more and more discussion about this… the worm will turn
Local/state/county and federal governments were created to put in place gold plated salaries, benefits and pensions for the public union workers. They were not created to serve the public.
Fixing roads, building bridges, cleaning parks, teaching AP classes, etc. is just fluff to do with any left over monies.
These public union workers deserve it and besides - It is all in the Constitution. We fought a revolution for it - don’t cha know.
2banana,
Precisely! Oh… they’ll go out of their way every once in awhile to throw us a bone but no, by and large the system itself consumes the majority of dollars.
When you think about, tally up every tax dollar collected across the land since… WWII and the streets ’should’ be paved w/ gold. Uh… we can’t even get potholes filled here in OR?
Again, just statistically speaking, what am I far, far more likely to “die” from? A tragic Blimp Accident or.., flat @$$ broke from being pecked to death ( particularly at the state and local level? ) You know, I’ll take my chances! What was that again? Stop, drop & roll?
Thanks Brett, good post. re: ‘gold-plated medical plans’ Does anyone think there are enough gold plated plans (over $24,000/yr) out there, to pay for Obamacare? I know my (union) job medical plan is worth about $16,000/yr. and, I believe, Obama exempted unions any way.
I believe, Obama exempted unions any way ??
Picking and choosing winners and losers again….
White House cuts deal with unions to exempt tax on “Cadillac” plans
So someone (non-union) earning $38k will be subsidizing a $100k+ UAW worker. Nice to have friends in high places.
(BF is a UAW 1069 member. Some of his longtime union “brothers” are pulling in over $100k per annum)
How fitting that you posted this today just when Obama decides to pile on and add some kind of debt reductions for the poor “public service” I’m guessing its some kind of vote buy attempt. I believe this IS the next big bubble might even spawn a bunch of blogs something like govworkerbubbleblog.com.
A few more natural disasters like the one in Haiti and soon we won’t need a fake war in Afghanistan. Gotta keep that military in business.
“Uh, I don’t think the war in Afghanistan is fake.
Any chance we’ll annex Haiti as a U.S. Territory? Similar status as Puerto Rico?
Seriously? Even the DR wouldn’t want to annex Haiti.
We do need to start colonizing if we intend on consuming our way into the Future..
Haiti should not be discarded out of hand. It’s small and affordable. Nobody else want’s it.
We couldn’t damage it more than it already is, and anything we do would be an improvement. The weather is excellent.. Mountains, rivers for recreation.. Lots of coastline.. perfect for casinos and resorts. All the cheap labor an imperialist could ever desire..
Haiti possesses lots of good attributes and presents many opportunities for profit..
Interesting theory, except my feeling is that we’re holding out for Cuba.
Maybe Chavez was right about the earthquake.
I thought Afghanistan was a “good war”. Or so Barry, Harry and Nanayc kept telling me. What happened?
Yes Eddie it’s a GOOD war for the heroin dealers
the Taliban was bad for business.
Any chance we’ll annex Haiti as a U.S. Territory? Similar status as Puerto Rico?
A massive new expansion in registered Democratic voters and entitlement programs? Pelosi and Reid must be salivating at the prospect.
combo,
I don’t think so either, but the disaster down there just brings to the surface that most nations really are in no condition to be of much help at all?
Is Iceland chipping in?
don’t think the war in Afghanistan is fake ??
No, but it is limited and a bunch of crap…We carry the majority of the burden to attempt to rid the world of these parasites…I would tell every NATO ally that you either put 50,000 of your troops into this gig or we are pulling out of NATO and you are on your own…Same for the Saudi’s, South Korea & Germany…No more fighting with one hand tied behind our back…Either we are at war or we are not…There is no middle ground as far as I am concerned…
I’ll second that.
The allies don’t think we can “kill or capture” our way to peace. Wow! stunned to see the warhawks come out of the woodwork for this one!
Afghans have spent a thousand years ejecting foreign invaders, even ones that claim to “be here to help”- remember, the soviets came to bring stability to Kabul.
I’ve met 7 Afghans, Iranians, and Pakistanis over the past three years (dirt poor immigrants, nobody with any personal stake in the outcome over there). To a man they are mystified why the USA continues to prop up the most corrupt man in Central Asia–President Karzai.
The dawning of this reailty,if the posters here are any indication, is going to be a shock similar to that of the pop in the Housing Bubble.
Wow! stunned to see the warhawks come out of the woodwork for this one! ??
Well, if you are talking about my post you could not be farther from the truth…I am a dove in fact…Almost a passiveist…Just not into limited wars…Either all in or all out…
Sory if I misread you Dave. No slight intended to you in particular. I read a few posts and got the impression some think being in Afghanistan is a good idea.
Lots of people feel the cpmpunction to do something. I’m all for “something” but not with guys wearing flak jackets and firing artillary.
idea: buy their poppy plants, make morphine and prudently distribute it to Haiti, sub-sahara africa and other places where human suffering could be alleviated for a few hours by its administration. Maybe even americans with chronic untreated pain and no health care.
No offense taken JD just wanted to make my position clear….
No not “fake”, but the idea that it is contributing to anyone’s personal safety is completely illusory.
We’re inspiring many individuals to comit acts of terrorism against the US because of it (even without the christian psalms engraved on the equipment).
When we invade Yemen to wipe out the authors of our next dramatic attack, even those that currently endorse the war in Afghanistan will see it as Fiasco II.
(Full disclaimer: I am posting from a protected position. )
Yeah I don’t get what presboardbox is saying.
I guess pressboardbox read in Al Jazeera that the Israeli lobby hijacked four plans and two of those demolished the World Trade Center? Maybe pressboardbox is from Iran.
Or San Francisco.
Or San Francisco ??
Oh Eatie….Not all of us are as diverse as you and your lily white brethren in Northern Fulton County…
http://tinyurl.com/yevw33d
If the story in the above link won’t make your jaw drop, you’ve seen more things than me!
Owners: $5.4B NY housing complexes go to creditors
Owners: 2 NYC apartment complexes bought for record $5.4B will be turned over to creditors
Isn’t that the place where everything was pegged on getting rid of rent control?
YUP and they learned the lesson the Hard way…….you don’t mess with peoples leases.
They Vastly overpaid on current price and Speculated on the future price Had they paid say 3 billion it would have worked out fine for them.
Remember Rent Control is no different then an easement or a restriction on the property…It goes with the building and if you don’t like it then DON’T BUY the place.
So tell me what is so wrong about walking away from an underwater “investment”???????????
Nicely explained.
It’s the debt. If they had paid less, they would be just fine. They also would be fine if they had raised a lot more equity capital. There would have been rotten returns on that equity, but no bankruptcy.
Yup.
Let’s contact the Guinness Book of World Records. I think this wins the prize for “World’s Largest Jingle Mail.”
Quoting from the article:
“Tishman Speyer, whose other properties include Rockefeller Center and the Chrysler Building, said it wouldn’t consider a long-term management contract to continue operating the apartment complexes if it didn’t involve ownership. It said it was committed to an efficient transition of the properties’ operations and would manage them during that transition.”
Tishman had very little skin in the game. Out of
5.4 bb they had 140 mm. They love using OPM.
Yeah, and they make there real money on the management fee’s and brokering the deal on the backside…
hehe.. the Japanese bought Rockefeller Center around ‘95 (?) and found a greater fool. More power to them! (no.. not nukes.)
I wonder how long the masses can be kept from walking away from 1 underwater mortgage when walking away from 11,000 underwater mortgages is a wise business decision.
Nail hit on head!!
Thanks, for the chuckle, Bubba!
Another one walks away…
And another one walks, and another one walks
Another one walks away
Hey, I’m gonna get you to
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Owners: 2 NYC apartment complexes bought for record $5.4B will be turned over to creditors ~ January 25, 2010
NEW YORK (AP) — The financially troubled owners of two massive apartment complexes that sold for a record $5.4 billion a few years ago said Monday they’re turning them over to their creditors.
The joint venture ownership team led by Tishman Speyer Properties and BlackRock Realty, hurt by the real estate market collapse, couldn’t make a multimillion-dollar loan payment earlier this month for the Stuyvesant Town and Peter Cooper Village apartments in Manhattan.
Over the last few days it became clear the only viable alternative to bankruptcy would be to transfer to lenders control and operation of the 110 buildings and 11,000 apartments overlooking the East River, partnership spokesman Bud Perrone said.
“We make this decision as we feel a battle over the property or a contested bankruptcy proceeding is not in the long-term interest of the property, its residents, our partnership or the city,” Perrone said in an e-mailed statement.
The group bought the complexes, which have about 25,000 tenants, in 2006 at the height of the real estate bubble in the nation’s largest residential real estate de
Bill in LA beat you to this one, wbmz.
Scroll up for the comments from the peanut gallery.
Ooops, I hadn’t seen it before I posted.
This is the sequence
Tishman speyer and Blackrock by these buildings from MET LIVE at the peak, they put almost no money into themselves. The loan is securitized by Blackrock and sold off to GSE’s and pension plans.
Just prior to this
Tishman speyer sells 666 an NY building for something like 1200/sqft and buys METLIFE building building in NY for 600/sqft.
My take, Tishman speyer was bribed by METLIFE to buy this apartment complex for way more than it is worth.
TS makes fees managing it, and on swapping 666 for underpriced MET LIFE building.
Blackrock makes money on selling the debt.
GSE’s and PENSIONS take the loss.
Brilliant.
OK Measton,
Not doubting this is very much what happened but it would be great if someone had proof and could document that to the public.
I guess Carlin was right. They are going after our retirement money.
They’ve BEEN going after your retirement money. That’s why all those “special” retirement plans were created. 401, IRAs, etc.
Bush Jr was brazen enough to try and push Social Security into play money for Wall St. That should have told you something right there.
You folks should worry more about Wall St. than taxes.
The only thing that needs to get documented is the price they paid for the MET LIFE building and how much MET Live pays them to rent it.
If you can show that it was purchased below the going rate for NY real estate, which the sale of TS 666 building suggests then I think there is a strong case. It’s possible I’m comparing apples to oranges when looking at the price per sq foot, but the article I read did suggest that they bought the MET LIFE building for half as much per sq foot as their sale of their other NY city property.
Halliburton 4th-qtr profit tumbles 48 pct as weaker crude and gas prices hurt demand ~ Jan. 25, 2010
HOUSTON (AP) — Halliburton on Monday reported its fourth-quarter profit tumbled 48 percent to end a volatile year and the oilfield services company said that it expects 2010 to be a transitional year for the industry.
Oil services companies, which assist producers with drilling, reservoir management and other services, struggled in 2009 as consumers burned less fuel. Crude collapsed to less than half of its current price as millions of American workers received pink slips and left their cars at home.
As a result, major oil producers pressured companies like Halliburton Co., and rivals like Schlumberger Ltd., to cut their fees.
They must be really hurting now.Now everone gets a 1 million bonus instead of two.
More evidence of hyperinflation? (At least according to LaRouchies.)
It is amazing to watch - we use less fuel yet the price of fuel goes up.
US refineries have been hit hard too. Some have closed and most are at about 75% capacity.
“It is amazing to watch - we use less fuel yet the price of fuel goes up.”
Those two developments go hand in hand, just as naturally as housing inventories shrink after a price crash. In the case of housing, would-be sellers (including banks ) delay listing homes they would like to sell in order to avoid selling at a low price; in the case of fuel, drivers cut back on discretionary trips and scrap their SUVs for subcompacts in order to cope with high gasoline prices; in both cases, a shock to one side of the market elicits a behavioral response on the other side.
There is an old saying that the best cure for high fuel prices…is high fuel prices.
Here, just outside Salem, OR we’ve had several local businesses throw in the towel in just the last week. One was a local rest/bar my wife and I really liked. Our kids were among their best customers but Brian the owner couldn’t keep the doors open any longer.
I’ve never met a guy that worked harder, especially in his mid-50’s. A number of trendy retail shops closed and it it looks like the wine bar/movie house has gone under too. The local Ace Hardware has cut back their hours by an hour every evening.
Right, the Recession ended 6 mos. ago, I’ll make sure all these people get the good word.
“Right, the Recession ended 6 mos. ago, I’ll make sure all these people get the good word.”
See my non-emotion-based post on this subject below.
Right, the Recession ended 6 mos.
It did for the fat cats. The little people? Let ‘em eat cake!
Exactly.
apropos
I’ve been seeing and hearing about more and more Oregonians showing up in Alaska for work, living in spare bedrooms, underbidding local contractors, claiming residency and avoiding paying our taxes…then shipping their earnings back home to their families.
If true, I guess the Oregonian expats must know how Mexican laborers feel. At least I have the comfort of knowing that they are still paying federal taxes.
NSO,
Thanks for that intel. I was starting to suspect that myself. In fact, it’s a regular M.O during our recessions down here!
Everyone seems to know ’someone’ up there? I imagine mostly younger guys, but you’re right, it’s a perfect analogy to our neighbors to the South.
Except that they aren’t doing anything illegal. Now if Alaska wants to secede, more power to Alaska.
Except that they aren’t doing anything illegal
Well, when they claim residency without the intent to actually move here they are definitely breaking our state laws.
Rather than have Alaska secede, I guess we can always just step up our enforcement and prosecute them.
By the way, we’ve got Coloradans doing the same thing…I’m proud our jobs are helping out workers from other states. Doesn’t make me feel so bad anymore that we get a disproportionate amount of federal transfer payments.
DinOr…Ditto here…I have never seen the commercial thoroughfares with this much vacant space…NEVER…Speaking with a friend that runs a restaurant, he told me that lots of these types of businesses close down at the end of the year because of taxes and mandated accounting from the state if you start a new quarter…
scdave,
Interesting wrinkle, I’m sure that is the case. It was just incredible as the wife, Coco and I walked around town last night.
Granted, we’re only a distant Portland bedroom comm. of maybe 10,000, but the re-alignment was truly shocking. And of the biz’s that ‘remain’ you found yourself wondering how delusional they were in thinking they could hang on?
None too sure how much longer smaller biz’s in America can take this.
Not much longer….I took my mom to breakfast this morning at a place thats been open for 30 years or more…We were the only two patrons there…Another third generation friend in the deli business is about done…
“only two patrons there”
Seems to be a regular running event! I see it so often. We all understand the rest. biz is tricky at best, but when you see long-established landmarks falling by the way side?
Sadly this isn’t VCR Repair places going under ( it’s not like ‘new’ technologies were being rolled out to replace old ones? ) They’re just gone.
DinOR:
Well in some ways technology IS at the root of this. With our country heading toward a Amway MLM Networking business model, the need to go out is lessened.
In small ways…how many facebook or myspace friends do you have….??? We will let you DJ if its over 1000
Its all about networking and spamming your “friends” to get you to go to the event or buy something.
Its amazing how some people are using technology. One person at the radio station brings in her laptop and uses the camera to broadcast a live clip on face book and within minutes has 50+ text messages and answers questions live without using the phone.
So corporations are forcing us to work at home or remotely, thereby eliminating the need to go out as much….
Was it my imagination that Salem OR had more dead end streets than any other town in America.
I went to Lewis and Clark and visited Salem once.
I went to Lewis and Clark ??
What a gorgeous campus…Kind of pricey
but just stunningly gorgeous particularly in the fall & spring…
So…I assume the JD means you went to law school there ??
no no undergrad…partial academic scholarship….class of ‘86
Yesterday a Brazilian said he had something sad to tell me.
He said his sister had just returned from an Orlando visit and was shocked at all the closed stores and restaurants and all the “white people” begging for money in Orlando.
She was equally shocked at the $11 price tag for a (made in India) quality sun dress and the $12 (made in China) platform sandals she was able to buy in Orlando too.
I tried to explained the relationship of all the above.
On my last trip to St. Pete (near Tampa) it seemed like there was a big increase in young, white, homeless druggie types. Since there was no Democratic convention in evidence that might explain the presence of so many undesirables, I concluded that more and more kids who love their drugs and lack a stable home life are trekking down to Florida. I told one kid I’d buy him and his skank girlfriend lunch if they’d call home from a payphone, on my dime, and let their folks know they were OK. They declined. All they wanted was cash.
I’ve never seen a Mexican immigrant with a “Will Work for Food” sign.
On my last trip to St. Pete (near Tampa) it seemed like there was a big increase in young, white, homeless druggie types.
The Brazilian lady had lived in California for 22 years before and was shocked that the down and outs begging for money in Orlando were middle aged and looked like former middle-class.
She didn’t say if they looked Republican or Democratic.
Maybe other people use more. Chinese bought more cars in 2009 than Americans. I strongly suspect those cars use gasoline very much like the ones we drive.
Bingo.
People seem to forget that The U.S. does not equal The World, when it comes to the economy. While U.S. oil consumption is down, it’s ramping up rapidly in many other places (e.g. China). Since we are now a large importer, we are subject to the effects of said world economy.
Get used to it.
“People seem to forget that The U.S. does not equal The World, when it comes to the economy. While U.S. oil consumption is down, it’s ramping up rapidly in many other places (e.g. China). Since we are now a large importer, we are subject to the effects of said world economy.”
Inflationary ? As the world bids on commodities and if the dollar weakens again…..
When you have the export land model going up against demand destruction, it’s a race to see who ends up with less.
Well. We are still giving plenty of money to hedge funds to control prices. I don’t understand how that could go bad!
US meat sector job cuts to almost 2000 in three days.
In the second shutdown notice by a major US meat company in three days, Tyson Foods said it is going to cut part production of a canning plant.
Tyson said by mid-March, it would move some production capacity at a factory in Council Bluffs, Iowa to sites in Tennessee and Texas.
The shuffle is Tyson’s first major strategic move under new Chief Executive Donnie Smith.
The move, which will axe almost 500 jobs, follows Smithfield Foods’ recent announcement that as of April, it was closing a hog processing plant, also in Iowa. The job loses takes the total jobs lost in less than a week in the US meat sector to 1,930.
However, like Smithfield Foods’ cut, Tyson’s move was cautiously welcomed by investors.
Is this a green shoot?
If this keeps up all we’ll be eating is green shoots.
I see green people.
True. A serious deflationary spiral might result in very little food on the shelves at the store..
“True. A serious deflationary spiral might result in very little food on the shelves at the store..”
That’s okay because between the 101 types of “Gourmet Foods”, non-essential junk foods and booze, a good 75% of the variety crap on my supermarket aisle selves stocking price mark-ups is pure garbage and crap anyway.
I read a survey that claimed grocery shoppers buy exactly the same stuff over and over again. The realization that I was one of them was disturbing. I felt a little self conscious so started trying different things.
Now I know I don’t like different things and am at peace once again.
If you took all of the products with sugar, corn syrup, unidentified artifical sweeteners and anti-biotic/pesticide/frankenfood infested additives foods off of the selves, you’d probably be left staring at a lonely S.American grape that needs to be taken home and given a good bath and scrubbing…and you’d worry about him too!
joey,
Funny! I do the same thing. I love going to places like Grocery Outlet as they do the turnover ‘for’ you. Since they function like a liquidator, always new stuff in the pipeline.
Sadly when you develop ‘reflux’ a LOT of things are no longer on the menu.
all we’ll be eating is green shoots.
That’s one way to solve the health care mess.
A salad of green shoots makes a nice complement for rat kabob, I hear.
Or squirrel stew.
A soylent green shoot, maybe.
Soylent Green is people! I gotta get that flick in my queue.
No but this vegetarian says close ALL the meat plants and lets start eating those green shoots ourselves instead of feeding them to pigs and cows!
Green Skirt Steak….
OTOH, sales of canned dog and cat food are up.
Adoptions of large dogs are up, according to animal shelters. Authorities attribute this to the new national best selling cookbook “To Serve Rover”.
Green shoots are everywhere, if you look hard enough.
http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2009/10/23/Book-Dog-SUV-have-same-carbon-footprint/UPI-30131256332111/
The authors claim that a medium sized dog has the same carbon footprint as a large SUV. So, I guess if we eat them, we doing a double good deed.
“To Serve Rover”
ROTFL….+ 1 X-GSfixer….toooo funny…
I figure we need at least one “Twilight Zone” reference/day, to keep things interesting…
Eddie’s assertion in yesterday’s bits bucket that “the recession ended six months ago,” plus his accusation that I wasn’t including enough factual information in my posts, provided me with the inspiration to take a careful look at the current national U.S. unemployment picture compared to the one in the early 1980s recession. In case you missed this late Sunday effort, here it is again, enhanced by the addition of points 3) — 5) :
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-24 21:57:41
“But why let facts get in the way of a good emotion?”
Great question, especially considering the source! Sorry for the lengthy answer; feel free to ignore it if you consider facts irrelevant to your opinion that the economic recovery started six months ago.
Comparing the unemployment rate at the current juncture to that in the early 1980s episode is somewhat akin to comparing LA’s San Gabriel mountains to the Colorado Rockies. Proud Coloradans will note that their 14K+ peaks are taller than the San Gabriels, which max out at just over 10K feet.
However, measuring from the base to the peak gives a different picture; the San Gabriels rise from a base elevation near sea level, for a total increase in elevation near 10K feet, while the Colorado Rockies start out near 5,280 feet or so (remember Denver is the “mile high city”), climbing from there by a total of less than 10K feet to their peaks. Measured from base to peak, the San Gabriels are higher, even though the absolute elevation relative to sea level is lower. The San Gabriels are also more spectacular, due to their steeper gradient.
In a similar fashion, though the peak unemployment rate
seen to date in the current recession of 10.1 percent (in 10/09) has not surpassed the level of 10.8 percent (Nov and Dec 1982) ultimately hit during the second dip of the early-1980s double-dip recession, the early 1980s’ unemployment rate rose off a base level of 5.6 percent (May 1979), while the current recession’s increase in unemployment rose off a trough unemployment level of 4.4 percent (May 2007).
To summarize, the early 1980s recession saw unemployment rise from 5.6 percent in May 1979 to 10.8 percent in November 1982, for a total increase of 5.2 percent over the course of 42 months, at an annualized average rate of increase = 12*5.2/42 = 1.49 percent per year; the present recession saw unemployment rise from 4.4 percent to 10.1 percent for a total increase of 5.7 percent over 29 months, at an annualized average rate of increase = 12*5.7/29 = 2.36 percent per year.
Further points:
1) It is too early to say whether peak unemployment has been reached in the current recession.
2) I am not sure how the picture would compare with a more honest denominator in the unemployment rate statistic — i.e., one that did not ignore so-called “discouraged workers,” defined as people of working age who have given up looking for jobs because none are available. I saw a quote in the SD Union-Tribune just today (I believe it came from Beacon Economics) suggesting California’s unemployment rate would be 20 percent if all those discouraged workers were not excluded from the calculation.
3) Since the peak unemployment rate during the early 1980s recession was reached 42 months after the onset, the comparison to the highest level of unemployment reached thus far in the current episode is unfair, given that we are currently only 32 months away from the point when unemployment began rising. Hence I propose two (albeit crude) alternative comparisons:
a) Where was the unemployment rate 32 months into the period of rising unemployment during the early 1980s episode?
The unemployment rate began to increase after May 1979; 32 months later (January 1982), the unemployment rate was a mere 8.6 percent — considerably lower than its present level.
b) Where would the unemployment rate end up in the current episode if it climbed at its average rate so far out to 42 months?
The current rate is 10.0 percent, reached 32 months after a trough level of 4.4 percent (May 2007). Extrapolating this out to 42 months gives a projected peak level of
4.4+(42/32)*(10.0-4.4) = 11.8 percent.
This is admittedly a very crude projection; nonetheless, it seems just as good an estimate if not better than the one obtained by assuming the peak unemployment rate in the present episode has already been attained.
4) Like the period since last fall, the early 1980s recession was punctuated by a period when unemployment leveled off, and actually fell a bit: This is why they called it a “double-dip” recession. I see no reason this may not also explain the plateauing of the unemployment rate we are currently experiencing. It is anyone’s guess whether it trends higher or lower from here over the next couple of years.
5) My foggy recollection is that even after the unemployment rate maxed out and began to drop during the early 1980s, the housing bust continued to play out in many parts of the country. Perhaps Ben Jones could offer some brief commentary on this, as I believe Texas was one of those places, thanks to the oil bust.
The early 1980s were a time of rapid labor force growth, as the early baby boomers (the 60s generation) had already flooded the market and taken the jobs when the late baby boomers (like myself) came along behind them. Women were also entering the labor force in large numbers. So many of the unemployed were those who never had jobs, not those who had lost them.
That was also a “deindustrialization” recession, with most of the job losers concentrated among blue collar workers. They haven’t fared well in this recession either, of course, but I’d be that (as in the early 1990s) white collar worker have been hit harder now than they were in 1982-83.
Note that the number of college graduates in the U.S. surpassed the number of workers employed in Management and Professional occupations in 1990, as measured by the census that year. When I saw that number, I knew Bush I was toast.
Nice post Pb….
“That was also a “deindustrialization” recession, with most of the job losers concentrated among blue collar workers”
My favorite subject - the double-dip recession of the early ’80s, when I was in college.
WT Economist is right about the deindustialization aspect. Here in Ohio, the state unemployment was MUCH higher than the national average in 1983. Ohio is a state with a highly-diversified industrial base (unlike neighboring Michigan/Indiana which are more auto-concentated).
If one were to exclude the Great Lakes region from the unemployment statistics both in 1980 and today, the remaining national unemployment numbers would look a lot different. I would not be surprised if the 1983 unemployment (excluding the industrial MW) was much above 8.5%.
To elaborate further on the 1980s “deindustrialization” recession, I looked at several states on the MinniapolisFed site below…
The industrial MW - heavy job loses in the ’70s & ’80s recessions - not so much post 1985 (until now)
Rest of the country - moderate job loses in the ’70s & ’80s, heavier job loses post 1985.
So, it looks like the states with heavy blue collar workers saw their worst recessions pre 1985.
It looks like states with lots of white-collar workers sustained heavier job loses post 1985.
Great point to call out, WT Economist .
Note that the number of college graduates in the U.S. surpassed the number of workers employed in Management and Professional occupations in 1990, as measured by the census that year
That’s an interesting Stat.
PB, you got to work on that codependant thing. You work for Eddie now?
Someone has to supply facts to counter his whimsical opinion pieces.
Comparing the ‘80 to ‘82 recession and our current debacle is almost apples and oranges. How important was home equity to personal finances (ie: MEW) in 1981?
Right — people had savings in 1980; they hadn’t blown it all through the action of the housing ATM machine. Unemployment with no savings implies far greater hardship.
Of course its apples and oranges with respect to causes (e.g. MEW). However it’s apples and apples w/respect to the size and scope of the downturn, at least within the bounds of the since-changed unemployment and GDP measurement methodology.
Kirisdad/Professor Bear,
Ex…cellent points! Sure, “I” went thru hitches of ‘un’ in the late 70’s/early 80’s but… I really didn’t owe a thing and unlike today, housing wasn’t 50-60+ % of your pre-tax income?
One other thing, many people didn’t have car payments ( let alone TWO ) and auto loans were much shorter in duration. I bought a Honda CL-360 right out of HS and it was a 12 mo. payment plan. I think I paid it off in like 9?
I might be stating the obvious here but, MEW caused the huge run-up in prices on everything from cars to college. The world lost trillions in RE equity- what will replace that lost equity/income? Surely not wages here, maybe in Chindia. Unfortunately, the severity and duration of the downturn is pegged to RE prices.
MEW caused the huge run-up in prices on everything from cars to college.
Low-interest (govt subsidized) student loans should be included in any discussion of college prices…
Not to mention in all of this — it’s much easier to ship jobs overseas now, esp. in the tech/services sector. So unless we pull a bunch of jobs out of our collective arze, I just don’t see where they’re coming from. China and India, not to mention Russia and the communist bloc, weren’t in ascendency back then, so I don’t see a normal curve down of the unemployment rate happening. So many bubble jobs masked a lot of jobs going out the back door. . .
Any thoughts on that one, Eddie?
To get a more true picture, one need only look at this.
The fact that the duration of unemployment is still skyrocketing to me says one of two things:
1. The bulk of the existing hiring of laid-off people is if low-skilled workers, e.g. for things like the 2010 census. There still are large net losses for higher-skilled workers - people that tend to have longer unemployment durations.
2. The U3 and even the U6 data are misleading. Even though those have apparently “peaked”, they’re incorrectly indicating a real peak of unemployment. There are a lot of people that have simply given up looking, and are dropping out of the stats. This is also indicated by the fact that the labor for is still rapidly shrinking. It’s certainly not because of people retiring due to a booming economy or because their has now found a high-paying job.
P.S. This is all outside the fact that the current GDP “growth” is purely stimulus fed; if if it were technically non-recessive it’s still not in any way indicative of an economy turnaround - any more than a critical patient on life support is any more healthy than when they couldn’t breath a few hours ago before being put on the ventilator. Get them off the ventilator and if they can still breath, then they can be declared healthier.
Awesome follow on to my post! That unemployment duration graph spells the kiss of doom for the much ballyhooed housing recovery.
Thanks - though after reading it again - cripes I need to do a lot more proofreading of my posts before submitting.
Well since your commentary is so right on, I think we can forgive you for a couple of typo’s.
So what happens when the “government/government dependent” labor force exceeds the size of the “civilian/private” labor force?
You’re soaking in it.
Most people already work for the government 4 months out of the year.
Someone posted this a few days ago…I thought it made the current downturn pretty clear compared to past recessions…
Here’s a site by the MN Fed showing that this recession is BY FAR THE WORST RECESSION SINCE THE GREAT DEPRESSION. By length, depth, unemployment etc.
http://www.minneapolisfed.org/publications_papers/studies/recession_perspective/index.cfm
There are dozens of similar stories out there that can be easily brought up on a web search.
Yeah, I saw that page a week or so ago from a link at a different site. The “Depth of Recessions” tab is eye opening.
To completely blow Eddie’s claim that “the recession ended six months ago” out of the water, click on the “Compare Recession” tab, then check all the boxes at the bottom of the graph.
Obvious conclusions:
1) This recession is far worse than any other since WWII.
2) It is not over.
The “Length of Recessions” tab suggests the current episode will prove longer in duration than the “Harshest” since WWII.
Someone posted this a few days ago…I thought it made the current downturn pretty clear compared to past recessions…
Yes, The Minneapolis Fed recession comparison site……
I posted that link in response to Eddie’s assertion that our current recession was “garden variety”. I posted it 4 times in response to Eddie. I asked Eddie to look at that site 4 times. Still after posting that site 4 times to Eddie, Eddie still came out later and totally downplayed our current “garden variety” recession.
Now how could anyone reasonable and unbiased or even worth considering downplay our current recession after studying those charts of the Minneapolis FED or facts posted by other posters?
I also posted studies that disproved Eddie’s assertion that US workers were “slackers”. In fact we are the world’s most productive.
I and many also posted facts that disproved his assertion that rents were rising.
PB just posted great facts as well that greatly undermine Eddie’s talking points.
Many post facts but either Eddie does not consider them, does not care, does not acknowledge them, or is not allowed to acknowledge them.
I think Eddie just likes the press, good or bad.
“…the labor for is still rapidly shrinking…”
A much more reveling picture emerges if you go to the linked graph of the labor force, change the time period to begin at 01-01-1948, and change the units to “change from year ago, thousands.”
The upshot:
1) The U.S. civilian labor force is shrinking at the fastest rate on record (at least back to 1948), by roughly 1.5 million per year.
2) As recently as August 2008, the 1-year change in the labor force was +1.9 million; the subsequent decline in the rate of employment growth to -1.5 million by December 2009 was the most precipitous on record (3.4 million workers-worth of deceleration in labor force growth over the course of 16 months).
3) There is no indication the deceleration in labor force growth has bottomed out.
4) The dropping out of working age adults from U.S. labor force participation more than fully explains the paradoxical leveling off of the unemployment rate, despite the dearth of evidence that the economy has bottomed out.
5) Remember the famous 1930s era “liquidation quote” by then-Treasury Secretary Andrew Mellon: “Liquidate labor, liquidate stocks, liquidate the farmers, liquidate real estate”?
The untold story of the moment is that of labor force liquidation, without any of the other liquidations in Mellon’s prescription.
P.S. I’d be grateful to packman if he could work his posting magic to display the graph I described above; I could not figure out how to do so.
This is it, right?
However that’s a bit misleading since it’s in nominal and not population-adjust terms.
A percent change graph is more correct.
Note that we did have a brief period in the early 50’s when civilian employment went down as fast as now. My take is that was primarily due to our rapid military buildup, which we don’t currently have, due to Korea and to the cold-war ramp up. From 1950 to 1952 our defense spending tripled; 2007 to 2009 though it’s only up about 15%.
“A percent change graph is more correct.”
Dang you are good! You caught my slightly biased comparison of now versus then right away (population growth since 1948 matters for the comparison). As you note, even when viewed on the more relevant percentage change basis, we still see the most rapid rate of civilian labor force decline in over half a century.
Hey - someone’s gotta keep you honest.
Seriously though - even % change has to be taken with a grain of salt. Demographics change over time. E.g. a loss of 2% employed in 1950 hurt more than a loss of 2% in 2009, because in 1950 a far greater percentage of households were single-income households. There are so many factors.
I probably have extremely high blood pressure, since I pretty much take everything I read with a big ol’ grain of salt.
“revealing” (reveling certainly misses the point!)
PB,
It is possible that some of the decline is due to boomer retirements! Also it is possible we are seeing a substantial drop in immigration and possibly seeing exodus of many of our less documented friends.
“It is possible that some of the decline is due to boomer retirements!”
If so, my understanding is this would only be due to error in labor force accounting, as “discouraged workers” are only supposed to include those (of working age) who would prefer to work but have given up looking for a job.
I imagine definitional issues pose challenges; for instance, if a healthy guy aged 60 stops working because he loses his job, he has enough savings to retire, and he sees dim prospects of finding new employment, should he be counted as “discouraged,” “retired” or both?
I’m assuming they count as unemployed or discouraged.
My guess is there are lot of people who will work the system for as long as possible; cash in a few years of unemployment without having to file for early distribution of social security.
So, expect that is enough to slightly skew the data. Retired but claiming unemployment while not trying to hard to get a job.
It is still really bad because of how many people in construction got creamed and since that is such a huge sector of the economy. We really have a bunch of quadruple whammies (aka press your luck) in here.
We borrowed from future demand.
We ran up debt, causing run away inflation durring the boom causing an even lower saving rate.
We trashed a lot of the good potential future demand with stupid incentives.
We have a demographic nightmare headed our way.
We have multiple wars going on which can be hell on birthrate and hurts a section of the population we’d rather not lose.
We’ve transfered so much technology overseas our edge is gone.
You know it is quite possible that we don’t recover from all this madness. Everything the govt does to help spendingwise makes society ever less vital going forward.
Uncle Barry is now giving 99 weeks unemployment. Plus 65% of cobra payments while unemployed. Throw in a few mortgage payments. And now today’s announcement, he will forgive your student loans as well.
Why would anyone even bother looking for a job with all that being given to them?
In most states. the longest you can collect UEI is 1 year. This includes the federal extension.
Normally it’s 4-6 months.
When did the recession start? There’s your answer.
Eddie,
Try being unemployed for a while. It sucks. It would suck even worse without UEI and the help with COBRA.
Especially since the sleazeballs Capital Venture idiots that trashed the company I worked for basically screwed 600 pilots/mechanics out of their Vacation/Sick leave, expense reinbursements, and severance packages.
At least the government is semi-accountable. Not so the new breed of financial “manager” that we seem to have in overabundance, whose motto seems to be: “I stole mine……what’s your problem”.
“At least the government is semi-accountable.”
That’s a new one to me!
The emphasis is on “semi”. You can see that currently, by all the incumbents with “deer in the headlights” looks we are seeing lately.
Fear is a great motivator.
OTOH, they are all falling back on their “old playbooks” ……..Democrats on pi$$ing money away, Republicans on the “there is no such thing as a bad tax cut” dogma.
1) The U.S. civilian labor force is shrinking at the fastest rate on record (at least back to 1948), by roughly 1.5 million per year.
Could this mean 401K hoards will be drawn down as the labor force seems to be retiring.
and big trophy homes what do retired folks do with thier
big nest egg trophy home ?
cactus,
Never… understood that myself! It just didn’t make sense for jookie? What… wha… I thought they were supposed to be DOWNsizing?!?
“…and big trophy homes what do retired folks do with thier
big nest egg trophy home ?”
MIL constantly cleans hers…
Great info for what I skimmed through PB. And lest not forget current events: (let’s see ‘em splain this one away…)
Home Sales Tumble as Tax Credit Lift Wanes
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Published: January 25, 2010
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Sales of previously owned U.S. homes fell at the fastest pace on record last month as the boost from a popular tax credit faded, industry data showed on Monday.
The National Association of Realtors said existing home sales fell 16.7 percent to an annual rate of 5.45 million units in December. Analysts had expected a 5.90 million unit pace.
“The San Gabriels are also more spectacular, due to their steeper gradient.”
I know this is OT, but I’ve never seen mountain roads wilder than the ones in Socal. Roads in Montana go around, not through the mtns.
“I’ve never seen mountain roads wilder than the ones in Socal.”
I take it you’ve never been to Latin America.
The silence of the porcine beauticians in response to my post is deafening.
porcine beauticians
gonna steal that one too PB!
Steal away. I look forward to the day when my HBB coinage appears in Merriam-Webster’s dictionary.
PB,
The recession may in fact be over from an economist viewpoint. All that implies is the decline has ended.
There are several things that are helping:
Exports are recovering and expanding.
Inventories are lower. Last I checked on CR… mighta changed.
Some excesses have washed out of the system.
Bank write offs continue. So getting closer to the bottom.
This doesn’t imply the wealth distribution got any better or that employment situation is going to get any better. However, from the economist point of this might be correct.
Also with all the stimulis, extend and pretend and other manipulations might just drag out the deflationary process for a while. Hence things have the potential to suck for a long time.
A lot of people are noting that we might have entered a secular bear market back in 99 and this is just another wave in the bear market as far as stocks go. Of course that is considering the aftermath of the epoch intervention by Greenspan with all the easy money since 94 (Summers, Greenspan, Rubin as primary culprits with the changes in leverage rules also continued under Paulson and friends). I consider the intervention in Greenspans term to be far larger because of the large delta in rates. While Bernake has been continuing with low rates, there wasn’t as large of a yeild chage.
Not sure if we are in a sustainable recovery, don’t see a driver for jobs, don’t like the path we are headed down but could be more than 15 years to approach the heyday of the bubble in economic activity. That is if we had uninterupted slow growth for more than a decade. More likely we slip in and out of deflation as banks chrun through the losses. Meanwhile middle america will probably get gutted by debt burden, poorly thought out tax policy and increasing socialism.
I don’t see your opinions as all that divergent.
The current policies continued from the Bush administration might end the recession but have the effect of an ever worse wealth distribution, IMHO. So the GDP might look fine but mainstreet anger will get worse and worse.
I also expect that retalitory measures against banks will be too late and only make matters worse. Hope for recovery on the AIG money or for getting a handle on the stagering public pensions problems or the even more frightening GSE losses will begin to cause widespread deflation.
This has been a nasty little depression so far. Get ready for act 2. Should be blamed on Obama and his death pact against the bankers with Voliker.
james,
Well thought out. I’m not sure if you meant ‘Should’ be blamed on Obama as sarcasm or ‘not’ but otherwise, it sums things up nicely.
Would be though not should be.
So many typos, so little time.
Just trying to sort through so much data out there. Trying to get everyone to remember that the mass of debt dramatically outweighs the amount of capital. Hence the odd data point about treasuries going cheap. People are flying to quality and want the money returned. Any rate of return is a bonus.
Deflation can eat capital out there really fast.
“death pact against the bankers”
I really don’t understand this thinking that the bankers should get a “Get out of Jail Free” card for turning the biggest part of this country into a bankrupt, heading-toward-the-Third World cesspool.
Before the Housing Bubble, Wall Street spent twenty years gutting our industrial base, thru leveraged buy outs, and pushing up the stock price of companies that out-sourced jobs and ditched their US vendors for suppliers from Mexico, then China.
The final nails in the coffin are being driven as we speak, with Boeing, Bombardier, Hawker Beechcraft, and now Cessna, becoming “systems integrators” and sending their subassembly work to Mexico……..from Kansas and Georgia, which are not exactly the “overpaid Union worker” paradises that some in this country think is the cause of all our problems.
Now, we are in the position where the primary beneficiary of “Cash for Clunkers” is Toyota, Honda and Hyundai.
Before the Housing Bubble, Wall Street spent twenty years gutting our industrial base, thru leveraged buy outs, and pushing up the stock price of companies that out-sourced jobs and ditched their US vendors for suppliers from Mexico, then China.
Yea, it’s funny how they always leave that part out. Now.
And it’s not like it’s just a little detail or something. I mean it’s only
THE BIGGEST SELLOUT IN AMERICAN HISTORY OF THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS, OUR STANDARD OF LIVING AND OUR WAY OF LIFE !!!!!
But hey, it’s just a thing…
Yeah. I know that. I screamed at everyone for a decade in the 90s and got labeled a lunatic.
I realize the desire for retribution.
I just think it will not serve our interests to go down that path.
You know the old saying about revenge?
First step: dig two graves.
I’ve been stating this for a while. The structure of the current system is for maximum yeild with minimal reserves for our financial institutions. Hence, all of the TARP money went in and flowed right on back out of the sieve. Same with the Fed’s money. Flowed right on to the hedge funders.
It is imperative that the risk be taken off the taxpayers and thrown back on the banks here. This could be done by reform and making the banks have hard reserve requirements, end of off balance sheet “vehicles” and higher insurance premiums. The problem is this would make all the banks insolvent and cause lots of deflation.
It is almost unfixable at this point. Every move like this will cause deflation and make the economy worse. A lot worse. If we have a deflationary run most companies will be bankrupt. Don’t think even having a company with cash reserves is a solution. Most of that money is uninsured and held by Fed member banks. Hence we have to go through a long tough slog of write offs.
At the end of all this mess, I think we’d also need a sound structure instead of some poorly thought out legislation that satisfies an urge for revenge and kills an entire section of the economy (aka capital/leadership/labor/materials). Has to be well thought out and understand all the ramifications.
I realize the desire for retribution. I just think it will not serve our interests to go down that path. You know the old saying about revenge? First step: dig two graves
That applies only when no graves have already been dug. This is not the case here.
The grave for the middle-class has already been dug. There will be growing calls of retribution. The bank bailouts will probably go down as the high-water mark of Wall Street’s power.
legislation that satisfies an urge for revenge and kills an entire section of the economy
That same said financial section has already killed “an entire section of the economy” thus that same section is a killer itself and should be dealt with accordingly.
If you can’t do the time don’t do the crime.
Brazil/GSfix,
I realize you are angry and you should be.
However, making things more structurally unsound is like killing the guy next to you with a grenade.
Effective but stupid.
making things more structurally unsound is like killing the guy next to you with a grenade.
Your analogy is wrong. In the long run it will make things more structurally sound. To say otherwise falls into line with the scare tactics employed by Wall Street Banksters.
Protecting a busted system that busted us is stupid.
X-GS,
While that’s all true, how does having every American w/ a pulse and FICO above 500 owning/skimming multiple homes ( stickin’ it to The Man ) somehow make things ‘right’?
Again, there’s been a migration of thought on FB’s from Clueless Believer to Shrewd Infestor to Helpless Victim. I think we ‘all’ pretty much saw the writing on the wall and the timing of the HB couldn’t have been better in terms of a ticket out?
I’m seeing (2) Wrongs here.
In our neck of Flyover country, we never saw much of the “flipper phenomenom. Why? House prices never appreciated anything close to what was happening in the bubble areas. $12-15/hr is what the “overpaid UAW union guys” make around here.
Saw subprime, though. Mainly illegals buying 4-5 bedroom houses in middle/upper middle income class areas, that turned into boarding houses for the extended family and friends…..or Section 8 renter/buyers.
…..and from there, Mission Control/Home Base for all the local starter criminals and their home and car break-ins……you know, the kind that nobody bothers to report, because the loss is below the deductible.
CNN Poll: 3 of 4 Americans say much of stimulus money wasted
Washington (CNN) — Nearly three out of four Americans think that at least half of the money spent in the federal stimulus plan has been wasted, according to a new national poll.
A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday morning also indicates that 63 percent of the public thinks that projects in the plan were included for purely political reasons and will have no economic benefit, with 36 percent saying those projects will benefit the economy.
Twenty-one percent of people questioned in the poll say nearly all the money in the stimulus has been wasted, with 24 percent feeling that most money has been wasted and an additional 29 percent saying that about half has been wasted. Twenty-one percent say only a little has been wasted and 4 percent think that no stimulus dollars have been wasted.
“One reason why the economic stimulus bill is no longer popular with the American public is the perception that a lot of the money has been wasted. Six in 10 believe that the projects in the stimulus bill were included for purely political reasons,” said CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.
“Nearly three-quarters believe that at least half the stimulus money spent so far has been wasted, and one in five say nearly all of it has been a waste,” Holland said.
How can one have an opinion on this without knowing where the money went?
Well I don’t see the potholes near me being repaired as quickly as they once were.
I don’t see any decent jobs being listed. Or getting any Training grants.
I don’t see the labor board doing anything to stop the massive “internship” ripoffs
OOH I am not an illegal…so we have to work for FREE in jobs that used to pay 2 years ago…
Yup where did the money go?
I’ve seen a lot around here (Sacramento.) The number of funded NIH grants at my university soared. But a lot of the personnel are foreign grad students (time for me to get on my soapbox to urge American college grads to go to grad school in the biological sciences - lots of aid available if they’re willing to work their butts off for 5 years.) Lots of money went to retain teachers in the school systems. And there was a story in the paper yesterday about how stimulus funds were used to install water meters in Sacramento (believe it or not, my house is not metered - perq of living near the Sacramento River). Problem is they hired a company who decided not to pay the people they hired to install the meters. Yep, a crook absconded with the stimulus funds.
it’s out there everywhere.. radio.. tv.. the net.
Google. Type in these three words or similar:
stimulus waste obama
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,410,000 for stimulus waste obama. (0.28 seconds)
Ah yes.. the google search fallacy. Try googling “Smart appealing Obama” 2,560,000 hits (.24 seconds).
I only know of one project, near my home, where they are repaving a highway, as you approach the construction area, there is a sign that says “This project is a part of the Federal American Recovery Act” (or something like that).
The thing is, that highway was in perfect condition before the crash and in no way needed to be repaved.
Not surprising, thousands of daily commuters who drive that highway live in the towns that Scott Brown cleaned up in. IMHO, if you were stuck in construction traffic, on a daily basis b/c a perfectly good highway was being repaved with you tax dollars, you might be a little PO’d.
Late last fall I flew SW airlines from Spokane to Albuquerque. Being a Southwest trip we saw several airports. One place the money is being spent is repaving at airports. Every airport we passed through, including Spokane was receiving substantial upgrading of the concrete around the ramps.
As far as I can tell, the Concrete at Spokane International was just fine before the upgrades. They used to fly DC-10’s in and out of here. Now the biggest thing we see is a 737-700. I seriously doubt that will crack the existing concrete.
A couple of years ago they opened a new control tower pretty much the same size as the one at Sea-Tac. Said they needed to have a better view of the airfield to prevent runway collisions. I’ve been flying out of this town for 30 years and have never come close to a runway collision. Just another waste of our tax dollars.
The local PTB’s seem to think that since it is all federal money, it must be free.
They need that tower to see around the schmog-ola from the waste to energy plant- the one that burns pesticide and tires while the inspector sleeps with the gal in charge of the plant (IIRC)
Blue Skye,
Last summer I saw a lot of drainage issues attended to locally. But I don’t remember those areas ever flooding. I felt my cynicism meter ramp up when I saw things like swan pond fountains being fixed (even while they appeared to be working) while bridges identified as unsafe years ago were still left unattended.
Perhaps its not the fed’s fault but it seems the money was just divvied up between different levels of government without any weighting or targeting of priorities. There were a few projects I felt were just about keeping job #s up (short term benefit) instead of investmenting in our future via the the maintaintance of our local infrastructure (long term benefit).
Carrie Ann,
Noticed similar developments here in OR but I just assumed it was b/c they ‘were’ projects that could be delved into without opening up a much ‘larger’ can of worms than they had resources for?
But I agree.
These polls on what Americans “think” should carry the caveat that most of these cretins are willfully ignorant and ill-informed, making no effort to discern real facts and real truth. So their opinion should be taken for what it’s worth: not much.
Obama’s stash has been wasted??? Dude!
I guess the stimulous was wasted if you didnt get any of the money.So we have a large majority of people who didnt get any money thanks to wall street getting it.Walk into goldman sachs and ask them if the money was wasted and see how the poll numbers are.
There’s no need for anyone to complain. They’re saying that there’s deductions for “almost” everyone!
For a fun exercise browse through one of the larger online tax services and read how the deductions and credits are presented - pay close attention to the verbage. See also the questions regarding deductions and credits being posed by tax filers. Afterwards I’m confident that you’ll have no doubts that the vast majority has figured out that they can vote themselves control of the nation’s purse strings.
I think a lot of the money has yet to be spent. I would not be surprised if much of the “waste” turns up in the fall when ACORN (and their subsidiaries) are awash in cash.
The old adage, “Politics breeds strange bedfellows,” still holds. It’s all good; if BB were not reappointed, then any subsequent problems in the economy could be summarily blamed on the reappointment failure. Now economic historians will be free to judge whether the myriad experimental efforts to save the planet’s financial system worked or not, without the confounding effect of changing horses in midstream during a financial panic.
MarketWatch First Take
Jan. 25, 2010, 9:13 a.m. EST
A bailout for Bernanke
Commentary: Republicans find something to be in favor of
By MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Ben Bernanke’s future as the leader of the Federal Reserve was in doubt late last week, but he’s been bailed out by a strange coalition: The White House and the Senate Republican leadership.
On Friday, it appeared that Bernanke’s confirmation to a second term as Fed chairman was in trouble, with several liberal Democrats declaring their opposition. Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid was also wavering.
Journal Editorial Report asks: Will the stunning Democratic move in the Bay State force the President to shift to the center or further to the left? Video courtesy of Fox News.
Bernanke was hounded by opposition from the right and the left. Both groups are upset that Bernanke helped bail out the banks that got us into this mess, and they are angry that the Fed chief didn’t see this economic calamity coming.
Because of Senate rules, it would take the support of 60 senators to bring Bernanke’s confirmation to a vote, and that didn’t look like a sure thing on Friday. After Tuesday’s election in Massachusetts, there are many fewer sure things in Washington.
Things look brighter for Bernanke on Monday.
Over the weekend, Reid came on board and the White House heavily lobbied Democrats. Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd and Republican Judd Gregg said in a joint statement that they thought Bernanke would be confirmed.
But the key “endorsement” came from the real leader of the Senate — Republican Mitch McConnell.
Although he wouldn’t say how he’d vote, McConnell signaled that the Republicans wouldn’t mount a concerted filibuster against Bernanke. As everyone knows, a concerted filibuster by the Senate Republicans effectively kills anything. It might even be able to stop the sun in the sky.
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Would you care for a slice of bulloney?
MarketWatch First Take
Jan. 22, 2010, 1:33 p.m. EST
Golden slope of hope
Commentary: Gold timers became too bullish at beginning of year
By MarketWatch
ANNANDALE, Va. (MarketWatch) — Lots of reasons have been given for gold’s big losses over the last few trading sessions.
An additional one, that isn’t getting as much attention, is the role of sentiment: Gold timers were far too eager earlier this month to declare that bullion’s December correction was over.
According to contrarian analysis, that is not typical of what happens at market bottoms of more major significance.
Consider the average recommended gold market exposure among a subset of short-term gold market timers tracked by the Hulbert Financial Digest.
At the beginning of this year, this average stood at just 10.9%. As of earlier this week, in contrast, the average stood at 60.9%.
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What about Wal-Mart laying off 11,200 people? Anyone see that yet? That means fewer McMansions to buy on a $12.00 per hour salary in Podunk! Oops!
Don’t worry - plenty of strawberry pickers will take up the slack…
It’s just those damn food-samplers that clog the end of every isle.. so good riddance. (But I hear they are just farming the service out to a specialist, so nothing changed.)
They did turn me on to some excellent instant mashed potatoes one time.. tastes just like mom used to make the hard way..
I believe Walmart outsourced all those old ladies who offer free food samples in Sams Club. I wonder how long until everyone in the store is a contractor?
Contracting is code for hiring illegals.
Who turn their employees into “contractors”, that pay $7.50/hr.
Then I guess I’m illegal! Wow! There is a sort of coolness in that! I will regard myself as an Antonio Banderas (circa 1997) for a moment now…Okay. Over with.
is this the Sam’s Club story?
IMO, it tells you how weak the weakest among us are….
That means fewer McMansions to buy on a $12.00 per hour salary in Podunk!
$12/hr is princely sum in Podunk. Anyone see the article about the Boeing 787 factory they’re building in South Carolina? The skilled workers who will be assembling the state of the art airliners will be paid the princely sum of $15/hr!
We have come full circle from the days of Henry Ford, who believed that his employees should be able to afford the products they made. Boeing’s South Carolina workers can’t afford to but tickets on their meager salaries.
$15/hr! I wonder how much Embraer in Brazil pays its workers. They can’t be too far behind now.
$15/hour = $31,200/year. With some OT - at least $40,000/year.
Plus health inurance, vacations, dental, vision, 401K, etc.
You may not live like a king, but in SC you can live pretty good and afford any “but” tickets you want.
“Vacations”
J6P doesn’t get “vacation” anymore. It’s called “paid time off”. “Vacation” time and “Sick Leave” are all rolled in together. So you have to balance taking vacation, versus actually getting sick. And you can’t onlu accrue 6 weeks or so.
Starts to become a problem when you get into heart attack/stroke/cancer/major medical age. You basically quit taking vacations, when you turn 40.
“You basically quit taking vacations, when you turn 40″
Now that is true. My wife gets 6 weeks a year but even if you don’t have any major medical issues, there’s always GRANDkids which eat into your vacay bigtime. The year our 1st was born, I think we got two 3-day weekends the whole year.
She was pretty much tapped ( Fiscal 1 Oct. ) before the New Year even started.
People say that you can “live good” in these states with a low wage, to which I call BS.
Food, medical care, clothing, gasoline, electricity, cars, etc. all pretty much cost the same in these low wage paradises as they do elsewhere. About the only thing cheaper will be housing. And with a 30-40K annual salary, you can’t afford a whole lot, not even in the south.
My sister can afford her house in FL on a $40,000 HS teachers salary. Paid $68,000, in 1999, $450/yr property taxes.
Colorado,
“Living good” is a function of expectations. In South Carolina, being able to afford patches for your bald tires is living good. Taking the whole family out to Kentucky Fried on a Friday night is living good. It just depends on where you start from.
But then if you can rent in a nice duplex/ or apt.complex close by with swimming pool and a gym for $500 a month…its all good
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will be paid the princely sum of $15/hr!
Sure if you’re single you can get by on 30K a year. With a family, not so much.
Guess Sam Walton’s heirs weren’t happy with their 23 billion, each. “May I have some more porridge, please.”
It appears the PPT has successfully halted the stock market plunge for the time being: BOI-OI-OI-OI-OING
Who’s afraid of rising interest rates? Banks! ~ January 25, 2010
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Of all the things keeping bankers up at night these days, the direction of interest rates may soon rank up there with loan losses and the heavy hand of the government.
For more than a year now, the Federal Reserve has kept the closely-watched federal funds rate between 0% and 0.25% in an effort to help jumpstart the U.S. economy.
Lenders have benefited handsomely as a result, borrowing money cheaply and making long-term loans with healthy profit margins. But expectations are growing that the nation’s central bank will soon reverse its loose monetary policy stance in an effort to tamp down the threat of inflation.
And that has banking regulators worried.
Earlier this month, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and other bank regulators, issued a stern warning to lenders about interest-rate risk, telling banks to take precautions in case the central bank decides to hike rates dramatically.
There is no need to fear. BB is going to be reappointed, and he has clearly signaled the intent to hold interest rates to the floor forevermore. End of story…
Agreed. I am getting this weird feeling that this is BB stuff is just manufactured drama. It will end in “good news” that the markets can react to.
Exactly! Expect a rapid 500 pt rise in the DJIA at some point over the next few weeks. Megabank, Inc makes megabucks on market volatility that leaves buy-and-hold investors wondering why stocks never go up very much any more before they fall again.
“BB is going to be reappointed, and he has clearly signaled the intent to hold interest rates to the floor forevermore.”
Or at least until an incumbent Democratic President or his Vice President is up for re-election in 2012 (as in 1996 and 2000), rather than an incumbent Republican President or his former Vice President (as in 2008, 2004, 1988 and 1992).
If I were a Republican, I’d get on board and push Bernanke through quickly.
Lest the Dems figure out that interest rate changes during the post 1987 period, with Fed chairman who had been initially appointed by Republicans, could be (mis)interpreted a whole new way.
WASHINGTON (AP) - Sales of previously occupied homes took the largest monthly drop in more than 40 years last month, plunging far deeper than expected after lawmakers gave buyers extended time to use a tax credit.
The National Association of Realtors says sales fell 16.7 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5.45 million in December, from an unchanged pace of 6.54 million in November.
FHA rules for using the 8k tax credit toward your 3.5% down payment:
“Can You Use The Tax Credit For Your Down Payment?
The hot topic recently is “can I use the tax credit for my down payment?” and the answer to that question is technically yes – but – you cannot use the tax credit to cover the first 3.5% of your down payment, you must come up with that on your own or have it gifted to you from a blood relative.
Once you come up with the initial 3.5% down payment that is required by FHA, if you would like to use the 8000 tax credit to add to that down payment, that is allowed.
Who Will Provide The Bridge Loan / Monetization Of The Tax Credit?
FHA will permit FHA lenders and other approved government organizations or non-profits to issue you a bridge loan in exchange for a second lien on the property.”
Tax credit can be used towards closing costs.
“Once you come up with the initial 3.5% down payment that is required by FHA, if you would like to use the 8000 tax credit to add to that down payment, that is allowed.”
Why am I not at all surprised?
“Can I use my future state lottery winnings as a down payment?”
Yes. The FHA realizes that you are way over do for hitting the jackpot. The FHA will extend a bridge loan to cover you until you are able to scratch off a winning combination of either three shamrock pictures or even three pictures of a cat with a top hat and cane.
Doesn’t take a Nostradamus to have seen this one coming.
P.S. Being that rates were still high through the first half of January (up until this past week), expect January’s numbers to look bad as well.
If rates remain low as they are now - February however will be just peachy all of the sudden. However credit will be given not to the low rates, but to the current spell of warm weather, of course.
Are the banksters planning to have their PR hacks do the heavy lifting in Davos? I guess since charity to Haitians is a key topic, there won’t be much interest among fat cat bankster CEOs.
Jan. 23, 2010, 9:29 a.m. EST
Bankers scarce as Davos probes post-crisis dangers
Haiti aid among top priorities at World Economic Forum’s annual meeting
By William L. Watts, MarketWatch
Updating to correct the spelling of Goldman Sachs President Gary Cohn’s name.
LONDON (MarketWatch) — Some of Wall Street’s heaviest hitters won’t be in attendance when the world’s top CEOs, economists, political leaders and other movers and shakers arrive in Davos for next week’s annual meeting of the World Economic Forum to discuss the threats to a fragile global economic recovery.
Once the toast of the town, financiers appear reluctant for a second straight year to be seen strutting about an exclusive Swiss ski resort while fending off criticism of record bonuses in the wake of massive taxpayer-funded bailouts.
But with President Barack Obama moving aggressively this week to rein in bank activities, regulatory reform promises to be a hot topic at the annual gathering.
More than 2,500 economists, world leaders and CEO meet in Davos for the World Economic Forurm. On the earnings front Ericsson, Nokia and Siemens report quarterly results.
Among the missing, Goldman Sachs (GS 155.22, +1.10, +0.71%) CEO Lloyd Blankfein, a Davos regular before 2009, doesn’t plan to attend. Goldman President Gary Cohn, however, will be making the trip, a spokeswoman said.
JPMorgan Chase (JPM 39.08, -0.08, -0.20%) CEO Jamie Dimon, one of the few big bankers to make the trek last year, won’t be there. Other executives will attend, the bank said.
Not all will be deterred. Morgan Stanley (MS 27.81, +0.01, +0.05%) Chairman John Mack is registered to attend, and a Citigroup (C 3.23, -0.02, -0.60%) spokesman said CEO Vikram Pandit will make the trip.
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Get ready for the rally monkeys to drive the DJIA to a 500 point gain on the “surprise” news of Bernanke’s reappointment.
Market Snapshot
Jan. 23, 2010, 10:02 a.m. EST
Bears come out of hibernation
FOMC, Bernanke, State of Union and more earnings could provide fresh bait
By Laura Mandaro, MarketWatch
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — U.S. stocks face a lengthy lineup of political and corporate events in the coming week that could reinforce — or derail — a recent bout of selling some analysts are calling a correction.
A Federal Reserve rate meeting, President Barack Obama’s state of the union address and the possibility that Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke won’t get his confirmation vote may take center stage.
Plus, 12 members of the Dow Jones Industrial Average (INDU 10,180, +7.41, +0.07%) and 130 companies in the S&P 500 (SPX 1,096, +4.41, +0.40%) report results. And China may again spook markets if data or policymaker comments signal Beijing is getting closer to raising rates.
A flood of earnings reports are coming up, along with a State of the Union address and more on the bank, job and health-care fronts. Oh yes, and there’s an Apple product announcement. Stacey Delo reports.
Global monetary policy, U.S. politics and corporate results can take much of the credit for stocks’ sorry performance in the past week.
“This is a correction precipitated by fear about a Chinese slowdown, uncertainty at the Fed and populist rhetoric by Mr. Obama on banks,” said John Praveen, chief investment strategist at Prudential International Investments Advisers.
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“Rally Monkeys……”
Sounds like Bloomy is trying to cause a little panic…
Knickerbocker ~ January 25, 2010
Bloomberg warns of 19,000 layoffs if state cuts aid
Mayor Bloomberg warned today that he would have to lay off nearly 19,000 city employees - including 3,150 cops — if the state Legislature cuts aid to the city.”Let me tell you the voters of New York City aren’t going to take it,” the mayor declared in testimont before a legislative budget hearing in Albany.
Mayor Bloomberg warned today that he would have to lay off nearly 19,000 city employees - including 3,150 cops — if the state Legislature cuts aid to the city.
“Let me tell you the voters of New York City aren’t going to take it,” the mayor declared in testimont before a legislative budget hearing in Albany.
Bloomberg’s possible doomsday cuts included:
* Layoffs for 8,500 teachers; 3,150 cops; 1,050 firefighters and thousands of others.
* Shutting 15 senior centers.
* Eliminating funding to 500 soup kitchens.
The mayor said the stood to lose $1.3 billion next year under a spending plan proposed by Gov. Paterson.
That was nearly double the $750 Paterson had estimated.
Is he grandstanding?
He needs to talk to his Wall Street buddies, and explain to them that those 3000 cops might mean the difference between getting stuck in town, or making it out to White Plains or Teterboro, when “the troubles” start…..
NYTimes today gives a heads-up on Obama’s SOTU speech. (I may skip it and watch Steve Jobs announce the tablet instead)
Basically, more attempts at buying votes with “middle class” tax cuts, like caps on student loan payments. This, of course, will only keep the college tuition bubble inflated! You can’t have that pop, too.
Nothing, of course, to help small business, or old people trying to live off interest from a lifetime of savings. (Screw them, if his constituency can have the free houses they deserve!)
Reuven,
Uh huh. El’ Zilcho. Just watching all of the empty store fronts and rest’s pile up here in our small OR town is getting to be a bit much. I think unless you employ 500 or more, you’re not going to show up on their radar?
As for living off int? You’re kidding right?
“I may skip it and watch Steve Jobs announce the tablet instead”
LOL. I hope it’s powerful enough to run my music sequencing stuff.
Sad but true!
no Obama piling on here but as an Obama voter I would prefer some fire and brimstone populist rhetoric.
the thing is, thoughtful commentary and witty criticsm is welcome…nay necessary…but sarcasm implies that the poster would rather have Palin as VP which renders the aforementioned commentary into partisan bickering.
anyway, your right….the government finances homes …the price goes up……..gov’t finances”education” ….the price goes up
This wasn’t partisan bickering! I am a registered, though very conservative, Democrat.
Goldman: It’ll Be a Disaster If Bernanke Raises Rates
Investing, Recession, Banking
From The Business Insider, Jan. 25, 2010:
Not only does Goldman say the fed won’t raise rates, but they even say that the Fed shouldn’t; which if Goldman-conspiracy theorists are right essentially means the Fed won’t.
Even for the rest of us, Goldman is basically setting themselves up so that if Bernanke raises rates before they forecast him to, it will be his error, not theirs, since they say U.S. isn’t ready for it yet.
While some economic data makes it look like it’s time to tighten, they argue that in reality it isn’t time yet.
Let’s just let Blankfein become Fed chairman and be done with it. Washington will do whatever it takes to keep Goldman happy and the Dow riding high, apparently.
We are going to be exactly like Japan in about 10 years.
That’s the logical conclusion when you hear all the pundits say we have to save (prop up) housing stocks….
They’re right.
(That is - if you assume that they Keynesian rate-control method is actually a good way to control the economy. Going with that assumption - we are indeed in no way shape or form ready to come off of life support. E.g. see my links above with employment data.)
Do you want to bail the ship or fix the hole ?
We have to start patching the hole (i.e. encourage saving, move away from “finance” as an economic model)
Damn good analogy! Hope you don’t mind if I use it often.
pack: re: bailing : patching
Please do! short and sweet.
and it captures the continuing dynamic we see : the “bailing” homebuyer credits, low down payments (speaking of which, did the FHA boost that miserable 3% down paymnt. that they had been requiring) versus structural improvement to the economy ( higher rates, sounder money, thoughtful economic policy)
But its OK for Banks to raise interest rates on Credit Cards
CWCapital LLC (CW), a subsidiary of CW Financial Services, and a full-service, national lender to the multifamily and healthcare real estate industries, today announced it closed over $1.3 billion in loans through its Agency lending platform in 2009, representing substantial growth for the company in what continues to be a “down” commercial and multifamily real estate market.
wmbz….Wayne Rogers suggests the place to be is in Senior housing…I think thats what this company loans on…
He may be correct.
We have a large group of aging citizenry heading in the retirement and rest home direction. Seems to me since they have to live somewhere, low or lower cost facilities would make the best investment. I have read of a few high dollar places struggling for money, as many folks have run out of funds.
Living to long!
I have read of a few high dollar places struggling for money, as many folks have run out of funds. Living to long! ??
Yep…A attorney friend had his Alzheimer’s mother in a facility in Palo Alto Ca…It was running him roughly $9,000. per month…When she got to the point that she no longer recognized any family member, he moved her to a lower cost facility in the central Valley of Ca…He got the same quality of care for around $4,000. per month…It was a easy 4 hour turn around for him to visit and make sure she was being handled properly so he was confortable with the move…
Please, somebody, haul me in to Dr. Kovorkian if I’m costing my family that kind of money and don’t even recognize them.
Note on the economy here in LA:
At the kids school.. about 1/2 the kids couldn’t afford to go to space camp. 225$. Not exactly a small amount of money but still says a lot about how things are going.
Another kid in my child’s class is looking disheveled every day. Turns out her mother and three siblings (all girls) were evicted from their apartment. The father(s?) apparently are in prison. They are currently living in the back of a Hyundai. Single mom too. Sort of.
Had a couple of other families get evicted from apartments as well.
I believe we got the parent to finally move the girls to a shelter.
Anyhow, not sure what to say here. I’d like to help this woman out but the bad choices are just overwhelming. Of course, you want to keep a polite distance so bad things don’t happen to your own family as well.
Cause I called the bubble and meltdown, people think that I have an idea when construction will rebound. At this point I am lying to them and saying things will turn around next year. Too depressing to tell the truth. Looks more like a protracted recession for construction till at least 2012. Maybe a bit longer. I tell a lot of people to get the hell out of LA. Likely that manufacturing rebound will be stronger in lower cost areas. Leave while you still have the wherewithal to do so.
My daughter is moving to OC. A Penske rental van Seattle to OC is $435.00 and some change. The same van OC to Seattle is about $1150.00. Tells ya that anybody that can leave, does.
Except my 24 year old daughter. But she will learn.
24 year old girl…OC…What do you expect ??
I expect a real rebound in 2012 also. But I think that’s the OPTIMISTIC scenario, one that could be derailed by any number of Black Swans.
derailed by any number of Black Swans ??
Hell, we are already “derailed”…I agree with you though…I think it may be what is helping paralyze investment…Afraid to go to far out on the investment curve due to concerns of the outlier event…
“Of course, you want to keep a polite distance”.
Why, that’s what my mother said when the Jewish family up the street put their kids on the “Children’s Train” to England (never to see them again). And: “we didn’t know what to say to to them.”
Bullsh*t, I said.
Scientologists ‘heal’ Haiti quake victims using touch ~ Jan 23
Church of Scientology Sends Healing Teams to Haiti
Amid the mass of aid agencies piling in to help Haiti quake victims is a batch of Church of Scientology “volunteer ministers”, claiming to use the power of touch to reconnect nervous systems.
Clad in yellow T-shirts emblazoned with the logo of the controversial US-based group, smiling volunteers fan out among the injured lying under makeshift shelters in the courtyard of Port-au-Prince’s General Hospital.
A wealthy private donor provided his airplane to fly in 80 volunteers from Los Angeles, along with 50 Haitian-American-doctors, in a gesture worth 400,000 dollars, said a Parisian volunteer who gave her name as Sylvie.
“We’re trained as volunteer ministers, we use a process called ‘assist’ to follow the nervous system to reconnect the main points, to bring back communication,” she said.
“When you get a sudden shock to a part of your body the energy gets stuck, so we re-establish communication within the body by touching people through their clothes, and asking people to feel the touch.”
Can they touch-fix the economy as well?
Jim Rogers and Kriby Daley go after Bernake on CNBC - asking for his resignation. Rogers said the only good thing about keeping Bernake around is that it will become even more obvious what a bad job Bernake has done when things get worse. The two predict that if Bernake stays, Geithner will go within a few months.
http://www.bloomberg.com/avp/avp.htm?N=av&T=Jim%20Rogers%20Says%20Bernanke%20Part%20of%20Problem%2C%20Not%20Solution&clipSRC=mms://media2.bloomberg.com/cache/v53lo3XZw1oU.asf
I am not sure it is fair to talk about Bernake’s horrendous performance without mentioning what he walked into from Greenspan. Is it realistic to have the new guy taking over (Bernake) suddenly turn-coat and dump all the policies of the guy who was considered a G*d at the time? Rogers and Daley were wrong to not consider or at least mention the unique environment Bernake walked into.
“Rogers said the only good thing about keeping Bernanke around is that it will become even more obvious what a bad job Bernanke has done when things get worse.”
For some reason, that statement sounds vaguely familiar.
Hoping for change… This fellow got a nice little bump. Nothing new here.
Contract for Afghan Work to Dem Donor
James Rosen- FOXNews
Despite President Obama’s long history of criticizing the Bush administration for “sweetheart deals” with favored contractors, the Obama administration this month awarded a $25 million federal contract for work in Afghanistan to a company owned by a Democratic campaign contributor without entertaining competitive bids.
The contract, awarded on Jan. 4 to Checchi & Company Consulting, Inc., a Washington-based firm owned by economist and Democratic donor Vincent V. Checchi, will pay the firm $24,673,427 to provide “rule of law stabilization services” in war-torn Afghanistan.
Obama has also kept Blackwater (excuse me,”Xe”) in Afghanistan. Gotta love the change.
Why do we do business with these guys again?
BEIJING (AFP) – China on Monday reiterated rules that most of the screen time in the nation’s cinemas be given to domestic films, after it cut short the run of US blockbuster “Avatar”.
The State Council, or cabinet, also called for steps to boost the Chinese film industry, such as building more digital cinemas and having studios raise funds through bank loans and by issuing shares and bonds.
I just don’t understand what we are getting as a country from trading with and empowering China.
Didn’t you receive the memo? Sovereign states are irrelevant, only corporations matter.
Certain individuals are getting wealthy, selling off the future of the country. The rest of us get toxic homes, toys and food.
That’s right. Selling off Uncle Sam, Amalgamated piece by piece is a very lucrative business!!
But didn’t someone say that companies would never destroy America for short term profits?? I think it was Goldman Sachs employee Natalie.
The president said that creating new jobs and reducing unemployment is the “single-most important thing we can do to rebuild the middle class.” “I won’t rest until we’re doing just that,” he said.
Some people maybe unhappy with destroying the Middle Class Tax Base ?
You get to buy a bunch of cheap subpar products that don’t work straight out of the box. Throw in some toxic drywall, toxic pet food and patent infringement for good measure.
China is now the biggest market for cars. since these cars don’t run on bs and hot air it is likely that we just got a major competitor for the remaining petroleum reserves. But at least our elites got to make a quick buck by outsourcing our jobs.
Really, you don’t? I should think it’s quite obvious - our partnership with China buys our PTB precious time.
Yegads! Not more bad news on the commercial RE front — I thunk’d it had bottomed out and was on the way back up again?
Jan. 25, 2010, 11:49 a.m. EST
Stock market on alert over commercial real estate exposures
Costliest-ever deal in U.S. for single residential property now ends in default
By Kate Gibson, MarketWatch
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — U.S. stock market investors would be wise to look at the commercial real estate exposure of financial institutions, particularly regional banks, with the collapse of a high-profile deal one example of the trouble hitting lenders across the country.
“There is going to be an overhang of souring commercial real estate loans through 2012, so when you look at smaller regional banks you have to make a distinction to see what kind of loans they are holding,” said Andrew Neale at advisory firm Fogel Neale Partners.
That said, Neale’s investment firm is looking closely at some regional banks on the belief those without “too much commercial real estate exposure are starting to look undervalued.”
“The big commercial real estate shoe just fell,” analyst T.J. Marta wrote of news that an investor group led by Tishman Speyer Properties had given over the Peter Cooper Village and Stuyvesant Town apartment complex in Manhattan to creditors. Read more about the Tishman group defaulting on $4.4 billion in debt.
Regional banks tend to have higher exposure, as a percentage of assets, as opposed to larger money center banks, Neale said.
Bigger players aren’t immune to the troubles arising from commercial real estate that are plaguing banks across the country as builders default on loans and property valuations decline, however.
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Professor Bear,
And thanks for that ‘treatment’ on the employment topic btw, but I’ve never seen how developments like this play to the hands of the “Greatest Wealth Transfer in Human History” camp?
As you’ve noted here and previously, they’re going through the same grinder. How can anyone claim this meltdown ‘benefits’ larger players?
How can anyone claim this meltdown ‘benefits’ larger players?
I claim “larger” players benefit when they short the down slide. They benefit, assuming they are still around, when they gobble up the smaller players after the tide has gone out.
JDinCT,
Oh and you never mentioned having gone to L & C before, and yes, Salem is labyrinth of dead-ends and no-ways. Now yes, that is and certainly can ‘continue’ to be true, but in my old firm’s case, they were beneficiaries of the meltdown ( but only b/c they mgd. to keep their nose clean! )
So no big time ARS exposure like Ameriprise, nor 30-1 lev. like Merrill etc. Without a ‘bunker’ from which to safely view when to sound the ‘all clear’ the bank’s practice have been about as sensible as a nuclear hand grenade?
C’mon, how ‘far’ could you throw it?
Make that Two Sammy!
So no big time ARS exposure like Ameriprise, nor 30-1 lev. like Merrill etc. Without a ‘bunker’ from which to safely view when to sound the ‘all clear’ the bank’s practice have been about as sensible as a nuclear hand grenade?
C’mon, how ‘far’ could you throw it?
I see your point Dino for big players in the game. They are almost all sure to get shellacked as this thing unwinds.
But there are other very wealthy players, hedge fund operators on the Right side of the trade or othre corporations that just didn’t get sucked into it. When the dust settles, it seems like anyone with capital is going to be in a position to make a good profit. Catching the falling knife, good timing….all that is to be considered . It won’t be a gift, but I’m sure someone will be there to pick up the pieces.
My point was really that all this crying about the end of teh system is so misplaced. Maybe the Mets won’t play at CITI Field, but in a stadium named after the syndicate of investors that buys up their asssets after the loans have been written down. Seems to be taking a long time.
“Tough Monday — the Jets lost!”
AM Report: Bernanke’s Vote Battle
Jan. 25, 2010
A majority of senators are undecided whether they will vote for Ben Bernanke’s second term, prompting a charm offensive from White House officials to gather votes for the Fed chairman, the News Hub panel reports.
Senate vote count on Bernanke reappointment (despite weekend “big public push” by Geithner, Summers and Emmanuel in support of reappointment):
In Favor 31
Against 17
Undeclared 52
Senate confirmation math:
- super-majority of 60 votes in the 100-member chamber needed to move the nomination
- 60-40 = 20 vote margin needed
- 31 - 17 = 14 vote margin between Senators declared In Favor less those declared Against
- At least 29 In Favor versus 23 Against needed among 52 Undeclared Senators to move the nomination, assuming no changes in the Declared group
(Check:
31 + 29 = 60 In Favor
17 + 23 = 40 Against)
- Expect those 52 Undeclared Senators to engage in lots of unreported horse trading between now and the confirmation vote
The Dow could surrender a thousand points if BB isn’t reconfirmed to protect poor bankers from greedy savers demanding more interest. The war rages.
Winston
th Dow could surrender a thousand points when he is reconfirmed and traders “sell the news”
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican Senator John McCain said on Monday he will vote against the nomination of Ben Bernanke to serve another term as chairman of the U.S. Federal Reserve.
My guess is undecideds are really going to vote for him. They are undecided because
1. They are holding out for some campaign cash or a new pork project for the state.
or
2. As stated above, they want the bad pr of voting for this guy to be as short as possible. Why take the heat for a week when you can put it off .
Undecided means they dont’ want the bad PR of supporting him any longer than possible, just approve him quickly and get the story behind them. See Mitch McConnel comments. It’s clear he supports him but wouldn’t admit to it.
I think the Republicans would like to see Bernanke reappointed, but have the option of blaming Democrats for his reappointment. McConnell won’t even go on record supporting Bernanke. McConnell ust said that Republicans won’t filibuster. Republicans facing close reelection campaigns may vote against Bernanke for political reasons, but they will make sure that he has the votes (preferably Democrat votes) to get confirmed.
Here’s a good one:
http://www.dallasobserver.com/2010-01-21/news/better-off-deadbeat-craig-cunningham-has-a-simple-solution-for-getting-bill-collectors-off-his-back-he-sues-them/1
Thanks for posting, Biff. This is a long article but worth reading. In essence, there’s a growing sub-culture of FBs who are suing the collection agencies that go after them - and winning. Which will ultimately make it a lot more difficult for lenders to collect on bad debts, which might make them a lot more careful about who they lend to. That would be a good thing.
This does not sound to me like it is any of the Fed’s business. How is the foreclosure crisis relevant to the conduct of monetary policy?
Push Banks to Lend, Senate Leader Urges Bernanke
Published: Friday, 22 Jan 2010 | 3:49 AM ET
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid Thursday urged Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, whose bid for Senate approval of a second term must wait until next week, to do more to help Americans keep their homes.
After a private meeting with Bernanke, whose four-year term expires in 10 days but who is expected to win approval despite some opposition, Reid said: “I believe more pressure needs to be applied to banks to lend money to small businesses and keep more Americans in their homes.”
“As the Senate prepares to take up Chairman Bernanke’s nomination, I look forward to hearing more from him about how he intends to address these issues,” Reid added in a written statement.
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uhh… i think you can relax.
Reid is not addressing Bernanke. His intended audience is the people of Nevada.
Point taken (along with the implied point that Reid is making empty statements which he knows will have no effect).
Try not to catch yerself a falling knife…
Home Prices Not Rising Anytime Soon
Jan. 25, 2010
Expiring tax credit for home buyers pressured home sales in December and then the credit was extended, so we’re in uncharted territory in terms of volatility, according to Trulia CEO Peter Flint, who says prices aren’t going up over the next six to 12 months. Stacey Delo reports.
What will become of asset prices at the tail end of this Great Repression?
My hunch:
- Since by all appearances, measures are currently in place to prop up asset prices, values are currently artificially inflated above fundamental value.
- The Fed has made clear its intentions to withdraw support as the economy comes out of Repression.
- The upshot: Artificially inflated current prices coupled with gradual withdrawal of price support at the end of the Repression spells “lower than expected” returns on asset price ownership for the next couple of decades.
yes the proverbial “unwind”
“What will become of asset prices at the tail end of this Great Repression?
They will be for sale at rock-bottom prices because ready cash will be in short supply.
The immediate demand for cash will be much greater than the less-than-immediate-demand for stocks, which will force stock prices down to bargain levels.
P/Es well below ten are on their way. Maybe they’ll get below eight. Stay tuned.
NYTimes reporting on a speech BHO gave today:
Previewing a theme that is sure to dominate his State of the Union address this week, Mr. Obama unveiled a package of modest initiatives intended to help families pay for child care, save for retirement, pay off student loans and care for elderly parents.
Now, Obama and congress just gave TRILLIONS of dollars of middle-class tax cuts in the past years, in the form of excepting income tax on forgiven morgage debt, tax-free cramdowns, and that $8,000 first-time homebuyer tax credit. When we have a HUGE deficit, why his he giving away even more?
“Help Families pay for child care”? That translates into keeping the “child care” bubble propped up, and allow people to get all sorts of tax breaks to put grandma on the payroll.
“Save for retirement”? Probably just a way to force money into the stock market, to keep that inflated. (And, most of these programs like the 401K or IRA are means-tested or limited, so they don’t help the real taxpayers)
“Pay off Student Loans?” Why on earth am *I* being punished for graduating college with $0 in student debt? I worked my way through school, and took as many courses as possible in a community college to keep costs low. Now, in times of a budget deficit, I have to work harder to pay more taxes so other students don’t have to do what I did.
“Care for elderly parents.” I guess you have to keep the elder-care price bubble inflated!
Are these your comments, or part of the report?
sorry! They’re mine.
Yeah I’m curious about the “save for retirement” thing myself. I’m guessing, like you, that it has something to do with trying to desperately pump more money into treasuries.
“Help pay for child care” = spend more.
“Pay off student loans” actually sounds good, but would need to see the details. It sounds unbelievable, since it would be counter to those that hired him.
“Pay off Student Loans?” Why on earth am *I* being punished for graduating college with $0 in student debt?
0 debt, wow,that’s cool. I’d be stoked. You, like me, got to go to college when it was way cheaper. Thank goodness we were not victims of the current education cost bubble. You also are sheltered by proposition 13, the greatest subsidized property tax program in the country, a program that was partially responsible for your house price increase. Things are not all bad.
We are all victims of many stupid programs but there are positives in life too.
You also are sheltered by proposition 13, the greatest subsidized property tax program in the country, a program that was partially responsible for your house price increase. Things are not all bad.
And how, exactly, do I gain from this “prop 13″ if the house I’d move to has bubbled in price?
Without Prop 13 I would have been forced into moving from my 100% paid off house when the identical house next door sold for $1,400,000 at the peak of the bubble! My property tax would have been re-assessed at $25,000/year.
And how, exactly, do I gain from this “prop 13″ if the house I’d move to has bubbled in price?
So don’t move.
But you still gained by not having to pay as much for your house as it would become worth, partially due to Prop 13’s existence. Lot’s of creative people have figured out how to gain from it without moving. HELOCS, maybe to start a business or educate kids that they PAID back. Moving to another state or country when retired. It actually happens. Maybe leaving a large inheritance for their kids. Just because you don’t want to move doesn’t mean you wealth hasn’t increased disproportionally to younger generations highly penalized by Prop 13.
Also, there are some states, that have a sort of means-tested prop 13. It think if you were very rich, you should have to pay the same property tax as everyone else, however if you are poor, you should be somewhat protected.
It’s not your fault but Prop 13 is one of the most inequitable, highly subsidized and selfish public policies ever hatched. Many of those protected by it have some understanding of other programs that might benefit other people.
I look forward to retiring early in two years to take care of as-yet-unconceived grandchildren. That will save my kids from having to pay (as I did) for daycare, which is really expensive, even though early childhood care and education is very low-paying work. Women who don’t make my salary won’t have the luxury of retiring early so won’t be able to help their kids. So the rich get richer . . .
I have been thinking for a long time that all of the idiotic kids taking out huge student loans that accumulate interest at 8% while they’re in school are never going to pay them back. I see young medical assistants who want to be nurses paying $16,000/year for private nursing schools, because the waiting lists are years long at our community colleges. So they’ll be $50,000 in non-recourse debt in order to get a $50,000 job. Sheesh.
1,336 mutual funds cease to exist in 2009 USA TODAY
The mutual fund universe continues to get smaller.
Activia Growth didn’t grow enough. Dreyfus Passport is among the departed. HealthShares Cancer lost its long struggle.
All told, 1,336 mutual funds — counting each share class separately — were liquidated last year, says fund-tracker Lipper. Counting each individual portfolio, about 425 funds died last year. In 2008, fund managers liquidated 826 funds, or 145 individual portfolios.
Why funds join the Choir Invisible:
•Lack of interest. HealthShares Cancer was part of a series of specialized health funds. It never attracted enough investors to make it worthwhile for its management.
•Redundancy. Dreyfus already has several international funds. The New York fund company got Passport when it bought the Founders funds.
•Performance. The Investment Company Institute, the funds’ trade group, counts about 7,700 funds, and 4,664 of those are stock funds. Investors have plenty of choices, and they won’t put their money into funds with rotten results.
Frontier MicroCap, one of the worst funds, this month said that it would liquidate, distributing its $53,157 in assets to its 87 long-suffering shareholders. The fund lost an average 35.6% every year for the past 10 years.
“Frontier MicroCap, one of the worst funds, this month said that it would liquidate, distributing its $53,157 in assets to its 87 long-suffering shareholders. The fund lost an average 35.6% every year for the past 10 years.”
This is amazing.
A mutual fund with only $53,157 is assets? Spread over 87 investors? That lost an average of 35.6% a year for ten years?
I think they do this so they can say next year that “80% of our funds outperformed the market!” — because they eliminated all of the dogs.
ArcelorMittal slashing W.Va. work force by 171
The Associated Press Monday, January 25, 2010
MORGANTOWN, W.Va. — Steel giant ArcelorMittal will lay off 171 steelworkers at its tin mill in West Virginia so it can remain competitive amid “extraordinary economic conditions,” a company spokeswoman said Monday.
About 35 workers were cut this week, said Mark Glyptis, president of United Steelworkers Local 2911. Another 100 or so have been on rotating, voluntary layoff since last year, and those layoffs will now continue indefinitely, he said.
The union is now trying to identify a few dozen workers who will volunteer for the additional cuts.
The Weirton local has about 850 members with an average age of about 57, Glyptis said, and almost every employee has at least 30 years of service. Some have 50.
“I’m confident we’ll figure out a way that no one will lose their job on an involuntary basis,” he said.
The Big Bang! Stimulus tracker…
http://money.cnn.com/news/specials/storysupplement/stimulus-tracker/index.html
FWIW - some of that is double-counted, e.g. the $300 Billion Fed treasury purchases could count as also some of the $787 Billion in government stimulus.
Nevertheless - a pretty cool graphic, and shows just how stunning all this stimulus is.
The more I see stuff like this - the more I feel like a total fool for not investing in the stock market at the beginning of 2009. The writing was on the wall for a big rebound.
(to caveat - I mean a big, artificial, stimulus-fed rebound, but a rebound nonetheless)
“You can’t really fault Mr. Obama for doing the silly things he has done, either. He’s been too busy to think deeply about how an economy works. That’s why he has advisors. Unfortunately, his financial team is made up of mostly jackasses, fools and opportunists - such as Larry Summers, Ben Bernanke and Tim Geithner, not necessarily in that order”.
Only “Tall Paul” Volcker has any clue what is going on. To his credit, he’s made some brave critiques of the banking industry. He’s probably giving Mr. Obama some decent advice, here and there.
But what can he say? Obama is president of all the Americans. He needs to “do something” to make the pain go away. His party is counting on it. The voters demand it.
Mr. Volcker knows you can’t really make the pain of a correction go away. It has to run its course. It has to do its job. All you can do is to try to control the banks so it doesn’t cost so much to bail them out.
Mr. Volcker may also realize that feds are only making things worse - with their bailouts, deficits, subsidies, and boondoggle spending. But so what? Fish gotta swim, remember. Democratic governments gotta play to the voters. And the voters want solutions! They want leadership! They’d rather have a bunkum, harmful solution than no solution at all.
And that’s what they’ve got.
~ Bill Bonner
Apple Rockets to Most Profitable Quarter Ever- AP
Apple Inc. says it rocketed to its most profitable quarter ever over the holidays. The iPhone’s rollout in several major new markets, including China and South Korea, helped fuel the company’s nearly 50 percent jump in net income over the same period a year earlier. Revenue also hit an all-time high, jumping 32 percent.
Wow!
* China’s Karaoke Crackdown
China’s karaoke bars are being monitored as part of the government’s crackdown on vulgarity and dissent.
Nearly 180 bars in the city of Chongqing and hundreds more around the country have installed the government’s National Karaoke Content Management System or “The Black Box” as it is more popularly known, which monitors the playlist remotely and automatically calls the police if a warbler selects a vulgar tune or banned song.
The system is also aimed at stopping piracy, as it logs unlicensed imports of music.
wmbz,
( But Rock & Roll IS…. ‘vulgarity’! ) Narrows it down right out of the gate.
NYC Off-Track Betting threatens shutdown. 1-25-10
State-owned agency wagers that setting March 30 deadline will spur action from Albany and the racing industry to provide financial assistance.
The state-owned Off-Track Betting agency threatens to shut down.
The New York City Off-Track Betting Corp., which filed for bankruptcy reorganization last month, said it would close its doors by March 30 unless it gets financial help soon.
“Cash flow continues to deteriorate,” said Sandy Frucher, chairman of the state-controlled outfit, during a board meeting Monday, adding that “with serious trepidation and sadness” the OTB would send layoff notices to its nearly 1,500 employees.
The announcement is apparently an effort to get the attention of the state, city and the agency’s business partners, which share in about $1 billion of annual revenue generated at the parlors.
NEW YORK (Fortune) — Here we go again.
Less than two years after the housing market collapsed, the U.S. economy is threatened by a new bubble in asset prices. This time, four billowing balloons are hovering: two commodities — gold and oil — stocks, and government bonds.
Don’t be fooled into thinking that last week’s 5% drop in the S&P, and the recent sell-off in oil, remotely makes them fairly valued, let alone bargains. Equities and commodities, as well as Treasuries, which actually rallied as stocks dropped, still have a long way to fall. The reason: They’ve already seen huge run-ups that put their prices far above their historic averages, and far above the levels justified by fundamentals.
Two examples: Most companies can’t possibly grow earnings fast enough to support their lofty valuations, and oil and gold are so expensive that we’ll see what high prices always bring, a surge in new supply. That makes a price-pounding glut inevitable.
Oil I could see.
But a surge in the supply of gold? Where exactly from?
Fundamentals? You must have missed my comment yesterday about the rapid rise in energy costs to mine, drill or grow almost everything. Don’t look and the dollar values, look at the costs in BTU to extract minerals, oil and grow food.
Last week there was a big gas discovery in the Gulf. Only problem is that the natural gas at that depth is around 400+ degrees and contaminated with other gases and minerals. The drilling cost to get to that NG is 4-5 times the cost of a regular well and the quality is poor.
Here are some hints:
It’s EROEI (Energy Returned On Energy Invested) that we should look to determine the viability of sources of “oil”. Middle East oil has various estimates of EROEI ranging from about 30 down to 8 (i.e. for each barrel of oil worth of energy input, 30 to 8 barrels of oil may be recovered), while “oil” from tar sands is costed at anywhere from 3 down to 1.5. Venezuela’s oil is not as bad as the tar sands but it’s some of the worst heavy crude on the market. It’s so bad that Venezuela is having a fuel shortage right now because they can’t process enough in-country.
english.eluniversal.com/2010/01/25/en_eco_esp_energy-crisis-threat_25A3336133.shtml
From Jackson Hole:
“A longtime valley real estate analyst declared this week “the market has hit bottom.”
“In 2009, the number of real estate transactions fell to 223, down from a market peak of 1,122 in 2005 – a drop of 80 percent, according to The Hole Report. The real estate review was started 15 years ago by David Viehman who is now a principal with Jackson Hole Real Estate Associates”
“The latest report was released Tuesday and summarizes the 2009 valley real estate market. The dollar volume of property transactions fell from a peak of $1.57 billion in 2007 to $333 million last year, a drop of 79 percent, the report shows.”
“In 2007, commercial transaction volume was $268 million for 51 sales. In 2009, the volume was $22 million for nine transaction. In that span of time, commercial transaction dollar volume decreased 92 percent, and the number of sales decreased 82 percent.
“Currently, the supply of commercial space exceeds the demand,” Pruett wrote. “Vacancies are up to an 18-year high, causing lease rates to decline and driving commercial prices lower.”
Well, shucks, at least in another year he claim it all turned out, “worse than expected.”
AEES closing Mich. plastic components plant
PLASTICS NEWS January 25, 2010
FARMINGTON HILLS, MICH. (Jan. 25, 4 p.m. ET) — Electronics and electrical distribution company AEES Inc. is closing its Mattawan, Mich., plastic components division, cutting 372 jobs.
Officials for the Farmington Hills, Mich.-based company could not be reached immediately, but the firm filed a notice with the state of Michigan that it would close the plant. The closure is due by June 1, sources said, with some equipment and work slated to go to other AEES facilities before that date.
AEES was part of Alcoa Inc.’s Alcoa Electrical and Electronic Systems group, which also included AFL Automotive business. The unit makes electronics used in the auto, telecom, medical and consumer electronics industries. Its plastics components unit injection molds close-tolerance parts for those electrical systems.
In all fairness to the best and the brightest, no one cold have seen it coming.
The Financial Times
Struggle not over for battered Bernanke
By Tom Braithwaite in Washington
Published: January 25 2010 19:31 | Last updated: January 25 2010 19:31
Ben Bernanke may now have the votes to remain chairman of the US Federal Reserve, but the institution he heads faces the biggest overhaul in almost a century, with the political challenge to its authority more forceful than ever.
A White House and Treasury campaign over the weekend, which included phone calls from President Barack Obama to undecided senators, means Mr Bernanke’s chances of being confirmed for a second term are more assured.
Alan Blinder, the Princeton University economics professor and former vice-chairman of the Federal Reserve, came out strongly in favour of Mr Bernanke to the Financial Times – even though he himself is frequently touted as a possible replacement. “Should Bernanke, a not-very-political leader who has performed admirably, be rejected, that would be horrible for the Fed – not to mention for the nation,” he said.
That may be true – the alternative belief espoused by Richard Shelby, the senior Republican on the Senate banking committee, is that markets would quickly recover from the shock – but the Fed has plenty of upheaval to contend with, whoever is at the helm.
According to one growing school of thought, Mr Bernanke’s likely reconfirmation will stiffen the resolve of both the Fed’s critics and more balanced sceptics in the drive to subject the central bank to sweeping audits, remove its regulatory roles and shake-up the appointments process for regional Fed boards.
Mr Shelby, who has pledged to vote against Mr Bernanke’s confirmation, is at the forefront of moves to redefine the Fed’s roles. But even supporters such as Chris Dodd, who chairs the Senate banking committee, are sticking to a plan to hive off the Fed’s banking supervision duties to a new unified banking regulator.
Some bank executives and Fed supporters are opposed – not, they say, because the central bank gives the industry an easy ride as regulator. Rather, it is because the Fed’s standing as a pre-eminent force in world economics helps attract the best and brightest. Those staff, they say, have shown themselves to be nimble and adept at handling a crisis, even if they did not foresee this one.
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Those staff, they say, have shown themselves to be nimble and adept at handling a crisis, even if they did not foresee this one.
What the hell does that mean? They didn’t see the train coming but they were quick with the first aid kit.
I wonder if these people know what efing morons they sound like. Where are those sound bites- time line from Bernanke? oh here are a few…
[Feb. 15, 2007]: “Overall economic prospects for households remain good. The labor market is expected to stay healthy. And real incomes should continue to rise. The business sector remains in excellent financial condition.”
[March 28, 2007]: “The impact on the broader economy and financial markets of the problems in the subprime markets seems likely to be contained.”
[Feb. 28, 2008]: “Among the largest banks, the capital ratios remain good and I don’t expect any serious problems … among the large, internationally active banks that make up a very substantial part of our banking system.”
[June 9, 2008]: “The risk that the economy has entered a substantial downturn appears to have diminished over the past month or so.”
[July 16, 2008]: Fannie and Freddie are “adequately capitalized” and “in no danger of failing.”
“NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Apple Inc. reported another strong quarter Monday…The Cupertino CA., company said net income for the quarter ended Dec. 31 surged 50% from a year earlier to a record $3.4 billion, or $3.67 per share….Apple’s sales rose 32% to a record $15.7 billion”
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What was that? Record revenue? 50 net income growth? 32% sales growth? Sounds just like something a consumer electronics company would say during the worst recession ever.
Sounds like Apple will pull the U.S. out of the recession…
All hail the iPhone!
Too bad AT&T didn’t think to build the necessary infrastructure capacity to handle all those iPhones that were sold.
DETROIT (AP) — Ford Motor Co. will add 1,200 jobs at its Chicago assembly plant later this year to build the new Explorer sport utility vehicle, a person briefed on the matter said Monday.
The company and Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn are scheduled to make the announcement on Tuesday at the factory, but Quinn told reporters in Chicago Monday that 1,200 new jobs were coming to Illinois.
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Wait what? Ford adding 1200 workers….but Ryo says this recession is not even close to being done because he read something about Minnesota.
‘Fess up: How long did you have to search to find a story about a plant adding a minuscule number of workers?
LOL,
No Eddie, You must not have read correctly the 6 times someone has posted that according to the Federal Reserve, this recession is the worst recession since the great depression.
Hey everybody Eddie says it’s a mild recession. Let’s check his credibility. It’s easy. Just web search: minneapolis fed recession comparison. It is absolutely shocking.
Eddie, people are on to the underlying purpose of your inanity and pointless partisan drivel.
The truth is starting to get ta ya huh?
There is starting to be articles of Wall Street planting blog posters to change public opinion.
“McCrery says each LED light will save the city about $50 a year for a total of about $2,500.
The 50 lights cost about $46,000. They are being paid for with a federal Department of Energy economic stimulus grant.”
From the Lewiston Idaho local paper, your stimulus dollars at work. Hey, an 18.5 year payback ain’t all that bad.
our town is doing that in the 06488 - . i’ll loook at the numbers. i thought our payback was a lot quicker
Here is an interesting tracker tool for unemployment by state.
http://projects.propublica.org/unemployment/
apologies if this is well known already …
Interesting. Short story: Twenty-five states have insolvent unemployment insurance funds (including CA).
I’d like to understand how they’re doing the projections. In 6 mos. OR goes from $1B to $400M. Does that mean in a year they’ll be borrowing or insolvent? And by insolvent do they mean can’t pay back what was borrowed or do they mean outta money and about to start borrowing?
Just because politicians are dumber than rocks when it comes to basic economics (especially with respect to the causes of the financial crisis) won’t stop them for an instant from piling on to anyone but themselves to whom they can easily shift blame. Consequently, the chances for meaningful reform to fix the problems that led to the meltdown look mighty slim.
* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* JANUARY 25, 2010, 10:41 A.M. ET
The Bernanke Nomination
The politicians turn on a political central banker.
The White House said yesterday it has damped down a political revolt against Ben Bernanke and now has the votes to secure the Federal Reserve Chairman’s second four-year term. Whether or not Mr. Bernanke is confirmed, the lesson we draw is that overly political central bankers will eventually be undone by politics.
There’s no doubt that some of this reconfirmation panic is nothing but political opportunism. When we opposed Mr. Bernanke’s reconfirmation on December 3, the facile consensus was that the Fed chief was a master of the universe who had saved the world from depression. But after Scott Brown’s victory in Massachusetts last week, Senate Democrats are suddenly looking for a financial political sacrifice. President Obama doesn’t look ready to throw over Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, so Mr. Bernanke is the designated spear catcher.
The Democrats’ loudest complaint, moreover, is that Mr. Bernanke and the Fed haven’t been easy enough in printing money. Majority Leader Harry Reid declared his support for Mr. Bernanke on Friday, but not before extracting what he said were concessions about future Fed policy.
The Fed chief promised, said Mr. Reid, that he would “redouble his efforts” to make credit available and that Mr. Bernanke “has assured me that he will soon outline plans for making that happen, and I eagerly await them.”
Redouble? The Fed has already kept interest rates at near zero for more than a year, and it is buying $1.25 trillion in mortgage-backed securities to refloat the housing bubble, among other interventions into fiscal policy and credit allocation. Is the Fed going to buy another $1.25 trillion, or promise to keep rates at zero for another 14 months?
Mr. Reid’s declaration of a confirmation quid pro quo will not reassure global investors who already fear that the Fed lacks the political will to withdraw its historic post-crisis liquidity binge soon enough to avoid new asset bubbles.
Our own view is that Mr. Bernanke is already far too susceptible to political pressure. As a Fed governor, he was Alan Greenspan’s intellectual co-pilot last decade when their easy money policies created the housing mania. When Congress later put political pressure on the Fed to direct credit toward housing, and even to student loans, Mr. Bernanke (who was then chairman) also quickly obliged.
More ominously for the next four years, Mr. Bernanke continues to deny any Fed monetary culpability for creating the mania. Shortly after the New Year, even with his nomination pending, Mr. Bernanke issued an apologia that was striking for its willingness to play to the Congressional theory of the meltdown by blaming bankers and lax regulators. We won’t rehearse our decade-long monetary argument with Mr. Bernanke today—see “Bernanke at the Creation,” June 23, 2009. But the chairman’s refusal to acknowledge any mistakes is one reason the dollar is so weak in global capital markets. Investors are hedging their bets in commodities and nondollar assets.
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The SF Chronicle tells us that now is the time to buy a house in the Bay Area.
Their reasoning? Now that prices have fallen, the premium you have to pay to own versus rent a comparable property is now only 233%, down from “the usual” 296%. They cite some crap Forbes article for this wisdom because apparently they no longer employ any actual journalists, just half-assed bloggers.
If not now, when? Research shows now may be time for San Franciscan renters to buy
www dot sfgate dot com/cgi-bin/blogs/ontheblock/detail?blogid=58&entry_id=55934
LOL. Research. Research sounds smart, so it must be smart to buy now. Is that what they’re going for?
I saw that, too.
As you know, it’s the usual pandering by the LNAA (the Lamest major city Newspaper in All of America) to the local REIC.
The best time to buy in the Bay Area will be in 2012, if not later.
Yep, 2012 is my target year to buy, although not necessarily in the Bay Area. It depends on how far prices fall, and how out of whack prices here remain compared with, well, everywhere else.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/22/news/economy/paul_sanders_fed.fortune/index.htm
Fed bashers: Washington’s odd couple
(Fortune Magazine) — “These are vulgar, obscene people who, in many cases, I really do believe, have serious emotional problems. In this country we have people who have drug problems, people who have alcohol problems.”
Just who are the addicts that Bernie Sanders, his white hair mussed, is getting all worked up about on this frigid Washington afternoon? “Compulsive moneymakers,” he says. And Sanders, Vermont’s independent junior senator and a onetime college radical who still pockets an authentic 1920 EUGENE DEBS FOR PRESIDENT key chain, is just getting started.
He saves his most biting criticism for a man who stands accused of embracing, coddling, and enabling Wall Street’s rampant greed: Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke. “There’s no doubt that Bernanke is Wall Street’s guy,” the senator says icily. Sanders wants to block a second Bernanke term, insisting the Fed chief has presided over a financial system that “has not been as unsafe, unsound, and unstable since the Great Depression.”
On the other side of the Capitol, Rep. Ron Paul, the Texas obstetrician-turned-gold-bug, peddles his own blistering critique of Bernanke and the Fed. For three decades the libertarian Republican and former presidential candidate has blamed Federal Reserve monetary policy for creating destructive business cycles.
He has likened the relationship between the central bank and Wall Street to the slogan in George Orwell’s Animal Farm. (”Everybody is equal, but remember some people are more equal than others. Now, Goldman Sachs happens to be more equal than anybody else.”) Greed isn’t Paul’s big worry — unlike Sanders, he’s an enthusiastic capitalist.
But he tells me he’s certain the Fed is engaged in “shenanigans” to underwrite the risks that those well-paid capitalists on Wall Street choose to take. And so he is promoting legislation to open the agency’s operations to a congressional audit.
Blocking Bernanke is Smart Economics, Smart Politics for Dems
If the Democratic Party wants to lose – or, to be more precise, wants to lose badly in 2010 and 2012, it need only maintain its current loyalty to the most powerful interests on Wall Street.
The United States already has a party of Wall Street. It does not need two.
Yet, despite an occasional populist turn (like his current bank bashing), President Obama has with his absurd nominations and even more absurd policies given every indication that he intends to position the Democratic Party closer to corporate interests than all but the most reprehensible Republicans.
Forget about Obama’s rhetorical flourishes. As a candidate and as a president, he has too frequently chosen to side with multinational corporations rather than working Americans.
After he secured the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, Obama told Fortune magazine that business executives did not need to worry about his talk of reforming U.S. free trade policies; despite some nice rhetorical flourishes on the primary campaign trail in hard-hit industrial states, Obama said, he had no intention of embracing or implementing a fair trade agenda.
Once he was elected, Obama selected as his chief of staff the Democratic party’s most ardent advocate for free trade and the broader corporate program, Rahm Emanuel. Then, the new president peopled his administration with Wall Street insiders like Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner and economic adviser Larry Summers.
When it came time to push for stimulus legislation, Obama accepted a plan that squeezed necessary spending for job creation in order to pay for tax cuts for wealthier Americans. Now, instead of the promised unemployment rate of 8 percent or below, we’re in double digits.
When it came time to fund an automobile-industry bailout, Obama implemented a plan that shifted tens of billions of money from then U.S. Treasury into the accounts of firms that then announced they would close more than two dozen U.S. auto plants and use the federal money to fund the opening of new factories in China and Mexico. At the same time, those companies forced thousands of auto dealerships to shut their doors and layoff more than 100,000 workers.
In the fight over financial-services regulation, Obama and his aides have repeatedly rejected serious moves to hold banks and brokers to account – creating a circumstance where Democrats in the House and Senate must battle not just Wall Street and the Republican Party but the White House if they hope to achieve meaningful reforms. Even now, as Obama tries to surf some of the anger at big banks, polling tells us that Americans are skeptical – and rightly so, as the president’s party continues to collect campaign contributions from, you guessed it, the big banks.
http://www.thenation.com/blogs/thebeat/521547/blocking_bernanke_is_smart_economics_smart_politics_for_dems