January 27, 2010

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Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 04:11:59

Fed May Take Chance End to Debt Purchases Won’t Hurt Housing.

Jan. 27 (Bloomberg) — The Federal Reserve may take a chance the housing market can stage a comeback without its support by announcing today it will stick to the plan to end a $1.25 trillion program of mortgage-debt purchases in March.

Fed Chairman Ben S. Bernanke and other policy makers meet after the sixth straight monthly gain in home prices in November added to signs housing is stabilizing. With financial markets rebounding, the central bank has said it plans to end emergency aid to bond dealers and money markets by Feb. 1.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-01-27 05:41:18

More nonsense piled upon the mountain of nonsense they have already created. You can guarantee that if The Fed (a private bank unaccountable to anybody) says they are ending one of their myriad of printing programs then another, larger, program is already in place. The bottomless pit of Fannie and Freddie allows them to be much more creative in their handouts to their masters.

Believe none of what they say and little of what they do.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 07:25:58

“All of the true things I am about to tell you are shameless lies.”

The First Book of Bokonon
Cat’s Cradle
Kurt Vonnegut, Jr.

Comment by Lip
2010-01-27 10:49:50

Vonnegut is a genius and I think its time to reread all of the old classics. Thanks for the reminder PB.

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Comment by Martin
2010-01-27 08:00:02

http://money.cnn.com/2005/12/29/real_estate/buying_selling/handicapping_housing_markets/index.htm

This link has all the overvalued places in the country. Not a surprise to see Florida and California in the top lists. Surprisingly, Atlantic City and Ocean City, NJ are also very over valued right now.

DC metro area covers WV also now as per the list and is only 37% overvalued. Well, for a 800K house in NoVa, it would be a haircut of close to $300K.

Comment by DennisN
2010-01-27 09:06:31

Geez you really scared me until I read the date - January 2006.

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Comment by Martin
2010-01-27 10:15:21

My bad. This article was a link on money.cnn.com from a article published today. I didn’t realize the link would be 3 years old.

 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-01-27 15:07:39

Commercial property insider Andy Miller says what changed was the way FDIC does things:

In November, the FDIC circulated new guidelines for bank regulators to streamline and standardize the way banks are examined. One standout feature is that as long as a bank has evaluated the borrower and the asset behind a loan, if they are convinced the borrower can repay the loan, even if they go into a workout with the borrower, the bank does not have to reserve for the loan. The bank doesn’t have to take any hit against its capital, so if the collateral all of a sudden sinks to 50% of the loan balance, the bank still does not have to take any sort of write-down. That obviously allows banks to just sit on weak assets instead of liquidating them or trying to raise more capital.

That’s very significant. It means the FDIC and the Treasury Department have decided that rather than see 1,000 or 2,000 banks go under and then create another RTC to sift through all the bad assets, they’ll let the banking system warehouse the bad assets. Their plan is to leave the assets in place, and then, when the market changes, let the banks deal with them. Now, that’s horribly destructive.”

We don’t need no stinkin’ inventory reduction. We just have to find a way to make the books look good.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-27 19:24:21

So THAT’S how they’re able to hold all that shadow inventory. Well, well, well.

Good find CarrieAnn

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Comment by packman
2010-01-27 19:30:48

Their plan is to leave the assets in place, and then, when the market changes, let the banks deal with them

And… if the market doesn’t change?

(i.e. improve)

Then what?

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Comment by packman
2010-01-27 19:45:40

GREAT find, BTW - and worth posting at the top tomorrow morning for discussion.

Here’s a link

(the same interview’s been posted tons of places)

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 17:23:50

(a private bank unaccountable to anybody)

Rewrite:
(a private Indemnified Corporation, unaccountable to anybody, so far as we know) ;-)

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-01-27 06:02:17

Buy now or be priced out forever.

Comment by pmseatac
2010-01-27 08:16:22

I already am priced out forever.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-01-27 09:06:23

I would be just as happy renting in a tiny studio apartment with even fewer possessions as long as I keep my mountain bike, my road bike, and have good olympic sized swimming pool for lap swimming nearby.

Who needs a lot of toys anyway when they can enjoy the benefits of staying thin by swimming/biking?

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-01-27 10:20:48

One way or another, they will achieve that goal. Maybe via reinflating the Bubble, maybe via allow so much job loss that nobody can afford a house (even if they were “affordable”) since they can’t count on having a job for a length of time.

The goal is high unemployment and temparory jobs for all combined with absurdly expensive housing + long-term debt obligations. That way, people will get in debt and stay there, at least in theory… of course a lot of things work in theory…

 
 
Comment by ACH
2010-01-27 06:57:07

I wonder how long it will take the panic to set back in? In any case the FED couldn’t prop Fannie and Freddie forever. Could they?
Roidy

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 07:27:25

My guess is that the Christmas Eve 2009 move to uncap the GSE credit limit may signal intent.

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-01-27 08:17:03

ACH,

Roidy, wasn’t it just the other day we were discussing that, at some point ( however well intentioned ) you simply have to call a spade a spade?

Comment by ACH
2010-01-27 09:22:51

DinOR,
Boot me up on this. I remember discussing this, but not the specifics.

Roidy
P.S.I’m sorry. I lead a crowded life - family, friends, teaching, and research.

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Comment by Asparagus
2010-01-27 07:00:41

Another manufactured story to set up a surge in the market:

March 15th, 2010:
“Fed to extend mortgage purchases, stocks react!”

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:02:20

My thought, exactly. Soon to be followed by an another announced extension of the home buyer tax credit, or perhaps an even more massive housing stimulus program to replace it.

Meanwhile, the money flow from the NAR lobbyists to the Congressfolk who propose and enact these programs will continue unabated.

Lather, rinse, repeat…

 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-01-27 08:30:40

” Hi Mary, I’m from the telephone company and I’m here to help you…”

It’s what time in the morning already ?

…and the rabid republican conservatives and the barracade charging libertarians aren’t defending their action Hero ACORN busting James O’Keefe and his thug buddies that were arrested by the FBI down in NOLA yet.

“All four suspects were charged with entering federal property under false pretenses for the purpose of committing a felony, which carries a penalty of up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.”

Sheesh…Where are all those DHS guys and the trigger happy SWAT teams when you need them ?

Of course they were all “good” conservative kids and even had the son of an acting US District Attorney as an accomplice with them for legal advice during their alleged Federal Felony actions in the office of a sitting United States Senator.

Well, it’s still too early to have marching orders and spin control from Rush and Faux News yet.

chirp…chirp

http://tinyurl.com/yfj4rs3

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-01-27 10:29:00

That was random.

As I’ve said so many times to Obama lovers: just because somebody else is a crook and a lousy person doesn’t mean your guy (or gal) can walk away without blame. Every time anybody nails Obama for one of his countless lies, his Marxism, his other BS, his supporters jump up and cry out “But Bush was terrible! He lied! Etc!”

Yeah, he did. So what? Both political parties are just 2 heads of the same hydra, but Bush isn’t in power any more.

Same idea here. These “investigators” were crooks. They were investigating crooks. Just because they broke the law doesn’t mean ACORN is now an honest organization.

Comment by X-philly
2010-01-27 11:24:48

Yeah during the 2008 election a young Dem flunky got busted for hacking Sarah Palin’s e-mails. And he (David Kernell) also was the son of a Dem state legislator from Tennessee.

In any case, if what is alleged about these guys is true I’m wondering if the Darwin Awards has a Freelance Investigative Reporter category.

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-01-27 11:33:50

Just because they broke the law doesn’t mean ACORN is now an honest organization.

And just because ACORN has some serious issues and lots of bad or stupid people working for it doesn’t mean the organization has some kind of Jedi Mindpower over the current administration, or any real power at all for that matter.

To listen to some posters around here, ACORN must be the love child of Microsoft, Joe Stalin, and the Ebola virus — omnipresent, virulent, and deadly. In fact, it’s a poorly run, largely inconsequential organization.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 18:38:29

Yeah, he did. So what? ;-)

Is this how we should end our condolences to Killed US Serviceman in Iraq?

Or would: “He tried to kill my Daddy!” be more apporpriate?

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-27 19:32:13

Actually pondering, if you can’t see the difference between lies that started 2 wars and killed hundred of thousands if not millions and lies that just cause economic pain, then you have a problem.

Yes, we are owned by the oligarchy and yes our only choices are usually between the lessor of two evils, but you have to at least know which is the lessor evil.

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Comment by cashedin05
2010-01-27 10:39:34

Jimmy crack Acorn and I don’t care.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 11:27:58

ACORN =Vast left-wing conspiracy

The prez and the Democrats have shown no inclination to stir up the Republican base by talking about gun control legislation, so the so-called Republican “leadership” has to generate a new conspiracy theory.

In the meantime, their answers for every problem never change……cut taxes for rich people, and eventually the benefits will reach the serfs.

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Comment by cashedin05
2010-01-27 12:45:28

“The prez and the Democrats have shown no inclination to stir up the Republican base by talking about gun control legislation”

1994 taught the Dems that Gun Rights Advocates cross party lines.

Acorn is corrupt and should be disbanded.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 13:09:37

“ACORN is corrupt and should be disbanded”

ACORN is the least of our problems. Both of our major political parties are corrupt and should be disbanded. Republicans are corrupt more, because they believe their own BS.

 
Comment by cashedin05
2010-01-27 13:56:53

I am for the party that will stay out of my business. Which party is that?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 18:42:30

“I am for the party that will stay out of my business. Which party is that?”

Let’s ask Tom Cruise: “Scientology”

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-27 19:34:31

Your joking, right?

 
 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-01-27 12:57:59

And the deflections begin…

IOKIYAR (it’s ok if you ARE republican.

Inter-state travel and communications in a CONspiracy to attempt to commit a Federal Felony against the United States of America.

Impersonation of Telephone Employees to gain access to a US Federal Federal Building and a sitting US Senators telephone system.

Intent to tamper with US Government phones in a Federal Building.

Using wireless communication devices in the commission of a Federal Felony on US Government property and an against an elected official of the People of the United States.

The son of a sitting Assistant US Attorney as active and particating co-conspirator.

All of this from the sons of the party that screamed for and got the US Patriot Acts and the Department of Homeland Security.

Set in the backgrounds of Watergate and Timothy McVeigh

Possible CONspiracy to install telephone intercept devices on a sitting member of a US Senate member of the Department of Homeland Security during a state of War.

Other possible un-named Co-CONspirators that aided and abetted these idiots with monies, advise or equipment.

Hey guys, as Bush so famously said…

“Either you are with us or with the terrorists.”

:)

Comment by cashedin05
2010-01-27 14:00:10

The government can make any harmless event seem like a high crime and a grand conspiracy. This is a waste of tax payer dollars. ACORN got punked, deal with it.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 18:33:44

O’Keefe got punked, deal with it. ;-)

 
Comment by AnonyRuss
2010-01-28 01:00:31

“O’Keefe got punked, deal with it.”

But Hannah Giles can sure walk purdy.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 04:14:06

Swaps Trading Surges as National Deficits Rise: Credit Markets

Jan. 27 (Bloomberg) — Traders are buying protection against defaults on sovereign debt at more than five times the rate of company bonds as governments fund ballooning deficits.

The net amount of credit-default swaps outstanding on 54 governments from Japan to Italy jumped 14.2 percent since Oct. 9, compared with 2.6 percent for all other contracts, according to Depository Trust & Clearing Corp. data. European countries led the jump, with the amount of protection on Portugal climbing 23 percent, Spain 16 percent and Greece 5 percent.

Rising use of derivatives to insure against defaults or speculate on government bond prices is spilling over into the corporate debt market, stemming a rally that drove yields to the lowest relative to sovereign benchmarks since December 2007, according to BNP Paribas SA. The global financial system remains “fragile,” with sovereign debt posing a risk to markets, the Washington-based International Monetary Fund said yesterday in its Global Financial Stability Report.

Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 04:50:06

So what will it be, another year or so before derivatives hit a quadrillion, world wide? Does it really matter?

Comment by ACH
2010-01-27 09:38:14

wmbz,
Ok, I’m not sure if this analogy will “hit” but here goes.
These infinite CDS’s are analogous to the idea of an “infinite universe”.
The Universe is not infinite because if it were, it would be infinitely hot. The reason is simple, every where you would look in the night sky there would be a star. This would then mean that the night sky would be as bright as the daytime sky. There would be no radiant energy emitted from the earth at night, and the whole universe would be extremely - perhaps infinitely- hot. No life, planets, etc would exist.

Now, these CDS’s are derivatives against sovereign debt defaults. The issue is that many people are taking these out as bets and not insurance. So, you get an huge betting pool that these types of CDS’s will default with no one holding the actual debt. It is, if you will, approaching an “infinite Universe” that does not make sense.

So, if (when, actually) some one goes “tits up”, the debacle of the CDS’s payouts will be greater than the actual default itself. Defaults here we come and the whole mess collapses.

Roidy
P.S. Hmm. I hope that “finite universe” worked.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-01-27 06:07:59

So who is it that pays off on these swaps if/when there is a default?

Haven’t we been here before?

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-01-27 06:12:02

So who is it that pays off on these swaps if/when there is a default?

The United States treasury via The Federal Reserve. That means you and I. Cash may be king but Wall Street is god.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 06:24:57

Who pays you off if your bookie runs off to Jamaica?

Comment by combotechie
2010-01-27 07:32:13

But, but, but … they promised!

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Comment by polly
2010-01-27 08:57:52

Nobody. There is no one in the financial world that can claim not to understand the concept of counterparty risk as it applies to credit defaul swaps this time around.

The only bailout is the sovreign governments somehow managing to inflate their way out of the default triggers.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-01-27 10:13:08

“There is no one in the financial world that can claim not to understand the concept of counterparty risk as it applies to credit defaul swaps this time around.”

No one in the financial world should have been allowed to pretend that they did not understand it the last time around!!!

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Comment by polly
2010-01-27 10:26:55

I think there were a few small town administrators in Norway or Sweden that profiled in the NY Times that could legitimately say they had no idea that when the sales people told them it was like insurance, they didn’t mean it wasn’t safe. I’m willing to guess that there were a few others like them.

Now, are you supposed to buy complex financial products you don’t understand? No. But people are stupid sometimes, and there are times when people who make big financial decisions aren’t well served by their advisors.

I would have bailed out the AIG CDS’s piecemeal, with at least a 40% haircuts for the honestly clueless (60% or more if you don’t fire the folks who made the mistakes on behalf of your pension fund/endowment/etc.) up to no money at all for the likes of Goldman and the financially sophisticated.

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-01-27 10:31:26

I’m sure salaries will inflate with the rest of the hyperinflation… hehehe… right…

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Comment by WT Economist
2010-01-27 07:45:34

That’s insane. Has anybody considered the counterparty risk of just about everyone else if the U.S. defaults? That insurance is worthless.

Comment by DinOR
2010-01-27 08:19:14

WT,

What’s worse is that it amply displays their unwillingness to repent and mend their ways! BAU.

 
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2010-01-27 08:33:13

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Comment by polly
2010-01-27 09:03:02

It isn’t useless if it allows them to hold items on their books as triple-A rated even if the rating is reduced. Some orgs are required to have a certain percentage of their holdings as triple A rated bonds by regulation or internal bylaw or policy.

Of course, if any one has failed to figure out that having a CDS on a bond is no guarantee that it is now the equivalent undefaultable, then shame on them.

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-01-27 09:35:13

In the Bible - Revelation 18 talks about the collapse of the financial world within a hour period. In Biblical writings it’s always debatable what is meant by various time periods; if it were indeed an actual hour though (or any fairly short time period) - derivatives are exactly the means to bring about such a quick downfall.

Comment by packman
2010-01-27 09:36:33

“within a 1 hour time period” I mean.

 
Comment by polly
2010-01-27 10:30:37

What did they mean by the collapse of the financial world in Revelations? Seriously. At a time when news and goods travelled slowly and lots of people were small farmers with pretty much no access to credit, I don’t see how a financial collapse could happen over less than decades without crop failure or a war to set it off. Even then, it would take months.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-27 10:43:26

I think that’s a stretch to equate that passage with economic collapse. Babylon represents all that is evil and unclean.

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Comment by Lip
2010-01-27 11:06:29

Polly,

The Bible has thousands of prophecies in it that talk about what’s going to be happening in the future. Some have already occurred and some are yet to be revealed.

I know that some might be skeptics, and I understand their reasons for this skepticism, but IMO the Bible is where “The Truth” can be found. So many times we get mad at God because of what “religious” men and women have done, but if you look at the Bible and research where Jesus got mad, it was always toward the religious people (Pharisees) in that day. To those that were the sinners (like me because I’m a mess), Jesus treated them with the utmost respect and mercy.

Peace to all,
Lip

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Comment by I Corinthians 4:2
2010-01-27 11:28:11

Many people (who believe in the Bible) believe that Revelation is a book about end time events (in conjunction with the OT book of Daniel). So the text in Revelation 18 is supposedly a prophecy about a future time and not applicable to the time period in which the book was written. (Some people believe Revelation refers both to the time it was written and also to future periods). Not to put words in his mouth, but I think packman was saying that derivatives could potentially one day bring about the fulfillment of the prophecy referred to there. There are some theologians who believe that a catastrophic global financial system collapse will bring about “end time” events. Not sure if I personally agree with the theory, but I am no theologian and tend to leave the books of Daniel and Revelation alone.

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Comment by packman
2010-01-27 12:40:21

Many people (who believe in the Bible) believe that Revelation is a book about end time events (in conjunction with the OT book of Daniel). So the text in Revelation 18 is supposedly a prophecy about a future time and not applicable to the time period in which the book was written. (Some people believe Revelation refers both to the time it was written and also to future periods). Not to put words in his mouth, but I think packman was saying that derivatives could potentially one day bring about the fulfillment of the prophecy referred to there. There are some theologians who believe that a catastrophic global financial system collapse will bring about “end time” events. Not sure if I personally agree with the theory, but I am no theologian and tend to leave the books of Daniel and Revelation alone.

Correct. That’s what I meant. Though to be honest it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek; “derivatives” by themselves would probably play a small role in the grand scheme of things, but could provide a medium for the early stage rapid collapse - e.g. in the way that program trading provided a medium for the October 1987 crash. That time commerce certainly didn’t grind to a halt, because the scope of the crash was mostly just the U.S. and limited to equities, since things like MBS securitization didn’t exist yet.

Now that all kinds of things are being securitized, and ETFs being created for everything down to housing itself - there’s potential for a rapid collapse to be much larger in scope, to the point of people’s loss of trust in any form of currency whatsoever - even gold and silver.

P.S. another factor beyond derivatives would be simply how dependent our financial system is on electrical power itself. Imagine what happens if - due to something like a war, or even computer problems - electrical power is lost for an extended period of time. ATMs of course would be useless, as would credit cards and debit cards, and I venture it’d be pretty hard even to get physical cash from banks, since so little cash is exchanged these days relative to years past.

 
Comment by Weezy
2010-01-27 20:47:06

Start taxing the churches, that’ll bring Armageddon !

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-01-27 11:39:53

Well - below is one version of the actual text. I think the view probably was that the sudden downfall would be due to supernatural events, since of course as you say it was a very slow-moving economy then.

However now that we have such rapidity and close ties of the financial system, such a thing could happen without being supernatural, kinda sorta at least. The system probably needs more “maturity” per se before it got to a point where a complete breakdown could happen in an hour. Of course always hard to tell what in the Bible to take literally vs. metaphorically as well.

(Just stating what Revelation says - not saying it’ll happen):

Revelation 18
1And after these things I saw another angel come down from heaven, having great power; and the earth was lightened with his glory.

2And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

3For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

6Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double.

7How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

9And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

10Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

11And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:

12The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble,

13And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men.

14And the fruits that thy soul lusted after are departed from thee, and all things which were dainty and goodly are departed from thee, and thou shalt find them no more at all.

15The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,

16And saying, Alas, alas that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!

17For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

18And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!

19And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 13:12:46

well, a pretty good dose of Shock and Awe was delivered to a town about 50 miles from where we think Babylon was.

..In 1983, Saddam Hussein started rebuilding the city on top of the old ruins (because of this, artifacts and other finds may well be under the city by now), investing in both restoration and new construction. He inscribed his name on many of the bricks in imitation of Nebuchadnezzar. One frequent inscription reads: “This was built by Saddam Hussein, son of Nebuchadnezzar, to glorify Iraq”.. wiki

The Lord works in mysterious ways..

 
Comment by MrBubble
2010-01-27 14:53:55

“The Lord works in mysterious ways”

You must be a God of Wrath/OT kind of guy.

Using the Bible as the absolute truth of the past, present and future is like using Penthouse Letters to describe the reality of my sex life and then basing your life on it. Anybody here actually read that soporific tome? [Not Penthouse] Judges just about did me in. And these fools who pick and choose passages from which to quote and drawn live lessons? GIGO, IMHO.

MrBubble

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 15:18:58

“This was built by Saddam Hussein, son of Nebuchadnezzar, to glorify Iraq”

Glorify Iraq?
A better line would have been “Thou shalt not temp God”.

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i’ve browsed the Bible on occasion.. it’s a good book.. lots of interesting stories in Judges.. you got Samson and Delila .. David and Goliath.. i forget what else.

I recently acquired a King James version audiobook… looking forward to “reading” it.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-01-27 04:26:21

An acquaintance mentioned the owner of a certain house was going to put it up for sale last year. The listing never materialized and the acquaintance then told me the owner was waiting until the market rebounded.

The house just listed…..for $110k more than the last sale on the street, $110k more than what I think is a relatively comparable house. This house may be a bit more “perfect” in its turn key prep but that’s a steep premium over the most recent comp for a home just a few lots down. Obviously we’ve got sellers thinking the “downturn” (ha! for this market it was a matter of a few months) is just a memory in the rearview mirror.

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-01-27 07:39:38

I’m seeing exactly the same thing here in Sacramento’s better neighborhoods, CarrieAnn. Will FBs respond with offers? I sure hope not.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-01-27 15:30:37

Every time I think a house is just too high to move, it goes w/in about 45 days. The last one was “For Sale by Owner” even and it still went for close to full price. It is a beauty but it had its idiosyncrasies that I think should have reduced the price.

 
 
Comment by X-philly
2010-01-27 08:28:40

Yes and these stale listings will add to the inventory coming online.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-01-27 09:02:51

Here’s a link to the national Case-Shiller curves from 1988 through October 2009. The blue line is the actual index and the red line is the monthly change in the index from the same month a year earlier.

The index has been going up for several months. BNOBPOF. :-)

www dot standardandpoors dot com/servlet/BlobServer?blobheadername3=MDT-Type&blobcol=urldata&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobheadervalue2=inline%3B+filename%3DS%26P_Case_Shiller_2009_Review.pdf&blobheadername2=Content-Disposition&blobheadervalue1=application%2Fpdf&blobkey=id&blobheadername1=content-type&blobwhere=1243640559694&blobheadervalue3=UTF-8

Comment by DennisN
2010-01-27 09:10:41

We’re going to have to introduce Bill to tinyurl, even though Ben doesn’t like them.

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Comment by X-philly
2010-01-27 09:49:36

I linked to Case-Shiller real estate from google, there’s a few graphs. Don’t know if he’s referring to the one where the price line moved up from -20 to -4?

(Case-Shiller, didn’t he pitch for the Yankees)

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-01-27 10:12:37

Here’s a good one.

link

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Comment by CincyDad
2010-01-27 10:18:29

in Central NY? Wow, that extra $110k price premium brings with it an annual $4k property tax premium as well!

The CNY economy does appear to be somewhat counter-cyclical to the national economy, but not by enough to justify that kind of wishful thinking.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-01-27 10:39:38

I will figure out how to use tinyurl. Such a long URL is just plain ridiculous. Sorry.

Comment by packman
2010-01-27 11:46:49

Another method Bill is to use hyperlinking. Best thing is to save off the right text somewhere, and just fill in the two blanks - one for the URL (the “http…” portion) and one for your text. Here it is spelled out virtually - translate to actual characters and consolidate into a single line. Things in italics have to be translated into the described characters.

open bracket (left arrow)
a href
equals sign
quotation mark
the URL (e.g. “http…”)
quotation mark
close bracket (right arrow)
open bracket (left arrow)
your text (e.g. “here is the link”, though don’t use the quotes)
forward slash

a
close bracket (right arrow)

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Comment by In Montana
2010-01-27 13:52:00

tinyurl is easy. Just drag their icon to your tool bar, then click on it when you’re at the site you want to link. Then copy & paste the link they give you for it.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-01-27 15:49:47

I don’t think this is happening throughout the region. It’s certain towns. The Sunday paper does a breakdown by town. We are definitely not moving in sync. Some towns are down substantially. Some are up although only single digit. Some are flat. I’d imagine there’s some concern in Lysander about what might be in the future w/ InBev. If that plant had major lay-offs, those homes would take a hit and IMHO the concern is already showing up in the sales/prices. Perhaps the auto worker layoffs hit that area too. I heard Caz was hit hard. That one I don’t get. Because Manlius, Dewitt, Camillus, Fville and Skaneateles are all doing relatively well.

On a positive note, Salina’s Lockheed Martin keeps scoring contracts. And of course the new children’s center at University Hospital and expansion/updates at other hospitals isn’t hurting either. Those jobs are all some nice paying incomes.

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-01-27 10:36:31

Sickening, isn’t it?

The ReBubble is here, and goofballs are bidding up homes by thoustands of dollars (and more) just to “save” $8,000 on the tax credit (after overpaying by way more than that BEFORE overbidding!) Unreal!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 05:08:34

Third times the charm?
U.S. May Retool Mortgage Program to Help Underwater Homeowners.

Jan. 27 (Bloomberg) — The Obama administration’s $300 billion Hope for Homeowners program may be retooled to help the growing number of Americans who owe more than their properties are worth as current anti-foreclosure efforts fail to account for these “underwater” borrowers.

The changes would be at least the third lease on life for the program, which began in October 2008 during the Bush administration and has so far helped just 96 of the 400,000 homeowners originally targeted.

The U.S. Federal Housing Administration is considering ways to make the program more effective, Commissioner David Stevens said in an interview. While he wasn’t specific about any changes, he said Hope for Homeowners could be expanded to more directly help borrowers with negative equity.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 05:21:21

…so far helped just 96 of the 400,000 homeowners originally targeted..

That’s plenty good enough for government work…

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-01-27 05:44:45

That tool sure does a lot of retooling.

I guess when you have given yourself a dual mandate of providing affordable housing and also keeping housing unaffordable it is hard to keep straight what you are actually doing. It is like trying to gain weight and lose weight at the same time.

“Oh, man, I ate a carrot. I should have eaten a Twinkee. No, I don’t want a Twinkee I need to eat broccoli. But wait, I need the calories so maybe I will have a Big Mac. But the Big Mac will make me fat, so I should probably just do a rice cake. Awwww, man, this is so confusing.”

Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-01-27 06:55:20

Yes, we need to reinflate the housing bubble to keep housing affordable.
Driving up housing prices is almost some inate religious belief that has no relation to economic realities. We need to drive up the cost of housing by all means available and we must make cheap loans to everybody so they can afford one of those overpriced houses. Talking about a misallocation of resources…It’s like giving half of the population shovels to dig a hole and the other half to fill it back in.
It really shows the sad state of affairs we’re in economically and politically. Given that we’re run by fools & crooks I see little chance things turning around any time soon.

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-01-27 07:43:42

Article on the front page of the Sacramento Bee today describes how lawyers and engineers are moving to Sacramento from SoCal and SFBay for “affordable housing.” Apparently a house in the Sacramento suburbs for $300-400K looks cheap to them. They’re filling in “distressed” neighborhoods. That should prop prices up.

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Comment by Bad Chile
2010-01-27 08:10:50

Maybe the engineers know something about San Francisco the rest of us don’t know (well, except for those who watch the Discovery Channel)…and the lawyers are just following people with pockets?

 
Comment by scdave
2010-01-27 08:18:38

REhobbyist….Linky ??

 
Comment by DinOR
2010-01-27 08:22:51

Well, isn’t it The Exodus of people fleeing outrageously priced homes in the BA that created SAC’s Bubble in the first place?

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-01-27 10:45:09

What scares me is how many “intelligent” and otherwise educated people believe this nonsense. Housing MUST expensive! Nevermind incomes vs. prices - just BUY something, NOW!!! Or be “priced out forever!” In Maryland, Land of the Eternal Bubble, people still worship at the altar of rocketing housing prices, while ignoring reality around them.

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Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-27 06:55:50

Maybe he has his agenda straight, just not sure what to tell the sheep to keep the herd calm.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-01-27 06:56:54

herd = flock. I should have remember we’re flocked.

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Comment by Dale
2010-01-27 10:40:42

….sure I’ve heard of cows, there’s a whole flock of them over there.

 
 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-01-27 07:02:35

How about the truth? I am really sick of people making excuses for lying politicians. If he really cares about his country, more than his power, he will tell the truth.

Back when I first got on the HBB, back in ‘05 or so, I was telling all the people at work about the veil that had been lifted from my eyes. My tales of impending doom would often be followed by much laughter. Let me tell you, telling the truth certainly wasn’t adding to my personal and professional prestige. I had a co-worker ask me why I kept talking about this stuff. He told me that people just laugh when you leave the room.

I responded that sometimes something is so important that you keep with it whether you are laughed at or not. I didn’t worry about the moment. It was not easy. So, please quit making excuses for lies. If little old NYCB can do it then these guys that have enough wealth to last multiple lifetimes can do it.

Until he speaks the truth he is just a liar.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 07:46:41

apples and oranges..

if you owned that company, the last thing you’d do is tell
everyone at work you’re so deep in debt that it’ll be a miracle if they have a job next month.

leadership is many things, but it’s not about telling the truth unless telling the truth is somehow beneficial. Freedom to tell the truth is a rare luxury.

…and i’m the LAST person who will defend politicians. Lying simply comes with the job, and the ability to do it well is a prerequisite.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-01-27 08:01:20

You are right, Joey. When things are tough it is always best for management to lie and deceive. That always boosts production and morale. It is much better than management sitting down with the employees and saying, “look, we are in tough shape. We need to work together to get through this.”

“leadership is many things, but it’s not about telling the truth”

Then it’s not leadership.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 08:22:09

I’ll complete my sentence for you..

…not about telling the truth unless telling the truth is somehow beneficial.

You picked a case where you thought it would be beneficial. You decided that sitting them down and explaining things would be advantageous.

But suppose you had good reason to believe they would likely keel over in fits of laughter and then walk out ?

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-01-27 08:39:31

Please name a specific case where telling the truth, in your way of thinking, wouldn’t be beneficial. To whom would it not be beneficial? Your logic is escaping me.

In the past 2 recessions I have been at companies that suffered from the downturn. One time we were kept in the dark except when new orders came down from on high. In another instance we were given precise details and why we needed to all take some pain together. Morale was much higher in the second example.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:54:07

“Please name a specific case where telling the truth, in your way of thinking, wouldn’t be beneficial. To whom would it not be beneficial? Your logic is escaping me.”

If you held a PR job, either on Wall Street or K Street?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:57:02

I note that PR (propaganda) specialists largely rule the MSM these days, so I assume equivocation skills also prove highly beneficial if you work for a newspaper or other MSM outlet.

 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-01-27 09:00:57

Sheesh. I’ve worked for companies run by people like Joey. Thankfully no more.

Most regular people know when they’re being lied to, and respond accordingly. Unlike our class of esteemed super geniuses that got us into this mess (”who could have known?”)

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 09:15:40

..Your logic is escaping me. ..

NYCB.. am I supposed to believe that? You claim you can’t imagine a situation where it is better to keep things to yourself?
You’re not being truthful.

So, if you need an example of where telling the truth is not to your benefit, look no further than this thread.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-01-27 09:58:09

This is about lies at a high level, by those in charge, to keep the “people” in the dark. This is not about my co-worker asking me if her new dress makes her ass looks big.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 12:16:26

“…..tell everyone at work that you’re so deep in debt that it’s a miracle if you have a job next month……..”

Joey…..is your real name Greg Campbell or Bob Pinkas?

You just described their playbook from earlier this year, when they finished running my management company into the toilet.

Continuous memos saying “we have things under control”, while at the same time they are stiffing vendors, expense and payroll checks to employees are bouncing like rubber rabbits, and “mechanic’s liens” are being slapped on client airplanes from coast to coast.

I chose to believe my lying eyes, so when the final melt-down occurred, I was only out about $15K…….not so some other guys who BELIEVED you, and got stiffed for $50-100K.

Credibility is a hard thing to regain once it is lost. That includes sins of omission. If/When you are a lying weasel, word WILL get around.

(Disclaimer: Not saying anyone on this blog is a “lying weasel”)

 
Comment by MrBubble
2010-01-27 14:58:42

“leadership is many things, but it’s not about telling the truth unless telling the truth is somehow beneficial”

Joey!? What would Jeebus do? You know, he’s sees you when you’re sleeping! Oh wait…

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:52:49

“…dual mandate of providing affordable housing and also keeping housing unaffordable…”

Only top policy economists are sufficiently McEdumuckated to understand how this quantum mechanics paradox can be resolved.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-27 06:35:31

The changes would be at least the third lease on life for the program, which began in October 2008 during the Bush administration and has so far helped just 96 of the 400,000 homeowners originally targeted.

I thought it was a misprint at first. That’s quite a “success” rate. At what point do they realize there’s something fundamentally flawed in this approach?

Comment by combotechie
2010-01-27 06:46:19

If 400,000 FBs keep up with their payments in the hope they will somehow be saved then I’d say the program is working quite well.

After all, isn’t the name of the program “Hope For Homeowners”?

Comment by REhobbyist
2010-01-27 07:46:03

Good point. Clever of them to choose “hope” over actual “help.” Suits me fine.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 05:17:46

New home sales forecast to show 4.2 percent increase in Dec.

WASHINGTON (AP) — December’s sales of new homes are expected to have increased after plunging unexpectedly a month earlier in a sign that the ailing market is finally climbing back from the worst bust in decades.

The Commerce Department’s report on new home sales Wednesday is forecast to show a 4.2 percent increase to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 370,000, from 355,000 in November, according to economists polled by Thomson Reuters.

It counts signed contracts to buy homes, rather than completed sales, so it will capture consumers’ early reaction to an extended and expanded homebuyer tax credit.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-01-27 05:46:12

December’s sales of new homes are expected to have increased after plunging unexpectedly a month earlier

In other news, his co-workers were shocked on Tuesday when NYCityBoy was unexpectedly grouchy and sarcastic.

Comment by SV guy
2010-01-27 05:54:04

Totally off topic.

NYCB, did you ever do that animal calendar?

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-01-27 05:56:43

Didn’t get enough stuff. Moved on!

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Comment by Eddie
2010-01-27 05:52:14

How can this be? I thought this was the worst economy ever. Nobody has a job. Nobody has money. Every business is on the verge of bankruptcy. Rents are falling so fast that not only can you get a 3 bedroom apartment for free, the landlord witll pay you $1000 a month for staying there and cook you dinner 3 night a week.

And yet here were are with increased home sales yet again. In December no less which is the one month where buying a house is the last thng on most people’s minds.

So again, how can this be? I’m not sure how, not sure when, but I know Bu$hitler-Cheneyburton is behind it somehow. Damn you Karl Rove!

Comment by arizonadude
2010-01-27 07:32:19

We are in a new bull market based on printing money and borrowing from ourselves.That is a real great business model,Rob peter to pay paul.I’m glad the govt is paying people to buy homes and giving them 0 down loans.I thought we tried this game already?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 07:33:44

“…It counts signed contracts to buy homes, rather than completed sales”

Hey Haskell, Wally thinks you can’t figure out stuff because you skipped the 5th grade, but the Beave says that you went to 3rd grade twice, so maybe that’s why you’re nearly as smart as a 5th grader.

Haskell = “TrueMyopicInstigator ™”

“TrueHaskell™” = “But, but, but…” ;-)

Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-27 07:49:23

“…It counts signed contracts to buy homes, rather than completed sales”

December: Honey, I bought you a house for Christmas.

January: Sorry, the evil bank wouldn’t give us a loan.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 11:38:17

Attending the 3rd Grade twice does not make you a 6th grader

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Comment by eastcoaster
2010-01-27 07:34:48

Gawd you’re annoying, troll. Can’t you read the WHOLE story before you start spouting off? Your celebrations are meaningless if only based on headlines.

From Business Week (today):

Americans probably* bought more new homes in December, signaling a government tax credit will prevent the industry from backsliding, economists said before a report today.

Sales of existing homes plunged 17 percent in December, the month after the credit was to end. The decline was the biggest since records began in 1968, the National Association of Realtors said two days ago. For all of 2009, existing home sales rose 4.9 percent to 5.16 million, the first gain in four years.

New home purchases, while accounting for less than 10 percent of the market, are considered a leading indicator because they are based on contract signings**. Sales of previously owned homes, which make up the remainder, are compiled from closings and reflect contracts signed weeks or months earlier.

*4.2% increase is a forecast only.

**Wonder how many won’t go through?…

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 07:53:57

“Gawd you’re annoying, troll.”

SUCCESS!!!

Cliff Moves In On Eddie’s Girl

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 18:30:32

what a Haskell! ;-)

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-01-27 08:15:35

Jan. 27 (Bloomberg) — Sales of new homes in the U.S. unexpectedly dropped in December, signaling a government tax credit may no longer be helping shore up demand.

Purchases declined 7.6 percent to an annual pace of 342,000, the fewest since March, the Commerce Department said today in Washington. For all of 2009, sales dropped 23 percent to 374,000, the lowest level since records began in 1963.

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Comment by measton
2010-01-27 08:12:03

Jan. 27 (Bloomberg) — Sales of new homes in the U.S. unexpectedly dropped in December, signaling a government tax credit may no longer be helping shore up demand.

Purchases declined 7.6 percent to an annual pace of 342,000, the fewest since March, the Commerce Department said today in Washington. For all of 2009, sales dropped 23 percent to 374,000, the lowest level since records began in 1963.

The report comes as Federal Reserve policy makers meet to determine the direction of interest rates. A setback in housing, which was at the epicenter of the worst recession since the 1930s, combined with a jobless rate projected to average 10 percent this year is likely to pressure home prices and builder profits for much of 2010.

“The recovery in the market for new homes went off the rails at year-end as consumers remained downbeat,” Chris Rupkey, chief financial economist at Bank of Tokyo-Mitsubishi UFJ Ltd. in New York, said before the report. “Americans continue to face the headwinds of constrained credit and double- digit unemployment.”

Sales were projected to climb to a 366,000 annual pace from an originally reported 355,000 rate in November, according to the median estimate in a Bloomberg survey of 70 economists. Forecasts ranged from 340,000 to 399,000. The government revised November’s reading to 370,000.

Eddie you are such a tool, open mouth now insert foot.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:44:58

“Sales of new homes in the U.S. unexpectedly dropped in December, signaling a government tax credit may no longer be helping shore up demand.”

That statement shows abysmal ignorance of the first principles of economics. Of course the government tax credit is still helping to shore up demand; home prices would be much lower and closer to fundamental affordability by now were it not for the tax credit and myriad other government housing demand stimulus subsidies.

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Comment by pressboardbox
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:46:22

Don’t bother confronting trolls with data. It is an exercise in futility which will only serve to give them the satisfaction of seeing their blog handle in print.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-01-27 09:09:33

Hee hee!

Yes, more of this to come this year. Most of the months of 2010 will be the same news.

Along with that, more price drops on existing homes, more signs of slowdowns in building new homes, more price drops of new homes.

Option ARM and ALT-A resets are going to be big this year and BIGGER in 2011.

Cash is king, boys and girls!

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Comment by eastcoaster
2010-01-27 09:31:46

Damn those forecasts! ;-)

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Comment by james
2010-01-27 10:31:14

I guess you can look at the situation a couple of ways here Ed.

Like I posted in response to PB about the recession, we may in fact be close to the end. However, the amount of recovery and growth could be very low for an extended period.

Were looking at a bump off the bottom in sales to a level that is less horrid. Unemployment might plummet from 10.x percent to 9.8 percent. Still sucks very badly but an improvement. So, the contraction is slowing but hiring is still in trouble. Looking at the data year over year is potentially confusing as well. From a historical standpoint we are at a multi-generational low.
10% growth from this point would still be around the second worse rate for new housing in 60 years. Also with levels this low we could be looking at noise in the data vs change in the derivative here. I recall that typically the rate bottomed out at around 500k houses per year. Now, you just can’t find a lot of data points going down into the 350k range and staying there for an extended period. Population adjusted the numbers are also pretty sobering.

From an investment standpoint we might take it as sign to get into the market. Trying to weigh the potential effects of a shift in Fed policy is difficult along with other govt interventions. It isn’t a given that the credit gets an extension though most of believe it will be. It isn’t a given that the Fed will continue buying treasuries and might raise rates.

Anything shifts in those policies could really put a dent in your investments. I figure if the market continues down an anouncement that short term TAFx (troubled asset purcahses for short term loans on questionable collateral) will be extended and continued; those loans to banks will not be called. Timing will probably be close to options experation date next month. Probably another announcement that rates will remain low for an extended period reinforcement as well.

Since housing was the big driver in employment last time, not sure where things will go for here. If we get an end to stimulis due to debt concerns and other contractions… oye.

Not sure what to make out of the data with all that is going on. Stimulis, rate games, incentives and inventory overhang. Plus the ongoing meltdown in CRE where the loss severity looks very high.

There are spending supports in place now. That might face a major change if the democrats (not a plug for or against any party here) feel threatened in the next election. A bunch of ineffectual, debt increasing spending that is giving lots of money to democrat party insiders might cause them to pull the plug on a lot of stimulis spending. Might also be that we see a dramatic increase in emergency earmarks to either cash in before they lose the majority or to try to buy votes in areas.

Highly unsteady market. Not sure where it goes.

I think I’m seeing an uptick in senior home building now. Considering demographics that makes some sense.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-01-27 10:50:18

Huh?

Surely, when housing prices are far above what incomes can support thanks to toxic lending, the logical solution is to print piles of money to paper over the bad debt and create more long-term imbalances and problems. And, the fools - I mean geniuses - who then go out and buy a house with artificially low rates, tax credits bumping up the price, lousy overall employment prospects, and so on must know something special.. right…

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-01-27 12:58:45

Have you bought that house yet Eddie? Once again put your money where your mouth is.

 
 
 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-01-27 05:29:11

“Hows about we just agree that you stay an idealistic curmudgeon, and I remain a curmudgeonly idealist?”

I just lifted this from yesterday’s thread. That is a great way to start the day. A good laugh is always good for a new day.

Obama is set to press for a high-speed rail line Thursday. I hope this actually has some substance. Can you imagine how nice it would be that Boston, New York, Baltimore, Philadelphia and Washington D.C. were all linked by high-speed rail? I have taken the train to Boston. It is a beautiful ride but it is 5 hours. If you cut that down to 2 hours it would be amazing.

The airlines will lose out. They will probably scream. Too bad. Kunstler will be very happy if “happy motoring” is impacted. The “Amtrak has never made money” crowd will be shouting. Show me one form of mass transportation that has ever really made money. We dumped how many billions into the silly airlines after 9-1-1? What did that get us?

Oh, Bama, do this one thing right. Don’t view this as a gift to your union buddies. Don’t let them eat through another system.

Comment by X-philly
2010-01-27 08:49:41

The Big Dig started out with high hopes and mahvelous expectations.

BOS - NYC on the Acela is roughly 3.5 hours.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-01-27 08:53:08

Now that you mention the Big Dig I cringe. May I retract?

Comment by X-philly
2010-01-27 09:16:36

Do you know anyone who takes the Chinese bus to travel the BOS - NYC - PHL - DC route?

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Comment by james
2010-01-27 11:36:22

We have a really nice light rail system out here in LA. Gets you from LAX to Norwalk in 20 minutes. Like to see a line down to Orange county at least as far as Irvine that goes through Long Beach. That would alieviate a lot of problems on the 405. I think there are right of ways and paths available. Also could do suspended train next to the 405, or gulp, tunnel next to the 405.

Get that down to where it can link with coastal amtrack lines.

I think a project like that could get off the ground and be running in less than 5 years.

I like the commuter train proposals better than the longer stretch proposals. I think you get better use. NJ transit has a good deal with trains to NYC area. We could do pretty well with two or three more lines. North to the valley and South from LAX to south OC. Large portion exists and we also have a bunch of large employers. Boeing, Northrop, Raytheon, Matel and various studios. Marvel just put up signs before they got purchased by Disney.

Again would go in good with my proposal about tax credits for companies that allow a shorter work week if the employees take public transit or vanpool.

Comment by ahansen
2010-01-27 15:56:12

James, if you could post the link to your website again, I for one would be most appreciative. Your myriad good ideas are both thoughtful and far-reaching.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-27 20:04:38

I live in the 4th largest city in the nation with the entire metro and outlying areas covering approx 12,000 sq miles…. and we have NO commuter rail.

None.

And it sucks.

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Comment by packman
2010-01-27 20:14:31

with the entire metro and outlying areas covering approx 12,000 sq miles

There’s your answer.

The problem with rail being anywhere near profitable in America is that we’re just too spread out. Far more so than Europe, Japan, China, etc. - all the places where rail travel is successful.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Dave of the North
2010-01-27 09:01:00

The environmental reviews will drag it out for 20 years.

Menawhile there’s no money to build the darn thing.

And you still have to take a cab at each end to get where you really want to go. (as you do with flying)

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-01-27 09:17:18

The reason Amtrak service is so poor is that they don’t have their own rail lines. They run on the freight-haulers’ rail lines and the freight haulers put their own trains first. Any proper high-speed line would require a whole new right-of-way, even if that just means widening the existing right-of-way. Otherwise, it wouldn’t be high-speed.

A new right-of-way or even widening an existing right-of-way in the northeast corridor opens a whole new can of worms. You probably can’t count the number of individual property owners who would have to be dealt with, determining whether part or all of their land would be taken (chopping off the rear two feet of a structure isn’t practical), and fighting condemnation valuation lawsuits.

20 years? At least!

Comment by Bad Chile
2010-01-27 09:49:40

Count in the fact that the high speed line would - by its very nature - be located in New England, which is the home of BANANA (Build Absolutely Nothing, Anywhere Near Anything).

I live in the metro Boston area and every town I can think of fights every possible road enlargement as “it will destroy the character of this 300 year old town where the revolution was fought!”

Never mind the fact that because the road is so narrow and there is no parking that the road is a bumper-to-bumper crawl four hours each morning and night…nope, can’t widen the road.

So instead the town agrees that they’ll allow a bus line to run down this road. But of course, no one in these historic neighborhoods would possibly take the bus. So now the traffic situation is made even worse as a bus rambles down the road, occasionally having to discharge or pick up a passenger and no one can possibly pass because some idiot parked in the bus stop (and the drivers don’t pull all the way into the stops anyway).

So…as for the high speed rail getting its own corridor? Maybe after 30 years. But it will be such an out of the way route because of BANANA it will probably make stops in Burlington, VT and Buffalo on its way from Boston to New York and take four times as long as flying. But it will be great if you need to get from Burlington, VT to Buffalo.

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Comment by X-philly
2010-01-27 10:08:37

I thought the SCOTUS ruling enabled developers and what have you to eminent domain the shite out of everywhere.

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-01-27 10:22:47

I thought the SCOTUS ruling enabled developers and what have you to eminent domain the shite out of everywhere.

In response, a bunch of states beefed up their laws restricting eminent domain. So while SCOTUS lowered the bar (I believe the commentary on the decision recommended that legislature step up and plug the hole), most states picked up the slack and changed their constitutions.

 
Comment by polly
2010-01-27 11:07:04

They may have beefed up their eminent domain laws, but did they gut them enough to prevent taking for a public transportation easeway? That is several orders of magnitude more public than taking it away to give to developers to build something that might bring in more tax revenue.

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-01-27 11:39:48

That is several orders of magnitude more public than taking it away to give to developers to build something that might bring in more tax revenue.

Agreed. I honestly don’t know.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 13:25:39

As they say, one picture is worth a thousand words…..take a look at the route a high speed line would have to take on “Google Earth”, or a similar site.

Lots of pi$$y little towns (and their lawyers) to deal with……lots of rivers to cross. Heck, it’ll take 20 years to do the “Environmental Impact Statement” (which is one of the problems we have in this country IMO, but I digress…..)

You would probably be building along a DC-Reading, PA,-Newburgh, NY,-Hartford/Springfield-Boston line to actually get something done within our grandchildren’s lifetimes.

Unless you somehow got the laws regarding the building of public works turned back to 1932, or thereabouts.

 
 
 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 11:53:21

High speed rail in the Northeast corridor will never happen. At least one like the Euros and Japanese have. You would need to build a whole new right-of way, right through some of the most expensive land in the country. The NIMBYs and their lawyers would have a field day. Designing a system “around” them would just raise the cost and reduce the efficiency. And, where is all the electricity to run the system going to come from?

To say nothing of what it would cost the TSA to “secure” it against terrorist attack. You would have to have security on every foot of roadbed. At least with the airlines, you only have to “secure” the terminals.

Not that it’s a bad idea. Just that reality gets in the way.

Besides, we don’t design or build high speed trainsets…..we’d have to buy them from the Euros, or build them under license.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-27 20:13:30

Exactly. And another good example of beneficial technology and ideas being suppressed, although for a different reason.

But the best application for HSR is continental, not regional and should be built near existing Interstate whys.

They’ve been trying to build one here in Texas for 20 years, but the squabbling for who will have ultimate control has prevented it from being a reality. For 20 years.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 06:05:23

Housing recovery could take a decade, economists warn.
Washington Post~January 27, 2010

Even as the housing market shows signs of improvement, including in new data released Tuesday, economists warn that it could take up to a decade for many homeowners to regain equity in their homes, while some people in the hardest-hit regions of the country may not see a recovery during their lifetime.

Home prices have fallen 30 percent since reaching their peak in 2006, and many economists think they will take another tumble this year as more foreclosures pile on the market. The pace of recovery will vary throughout the country, with homes in the most battered markets taking the longest to regain value. Meanwhile, millions of homeowners who are “underwater” — owing more on their mortgages than their homes are worth — face years of negative equity that puts them at a higher risk of foreclosure.

“What are we going to do down the road when people who should have been saving for retirement, or college funds, are spending that money instead staying current on their underwater home?” said Brent T. White, a University of Arizona law school professor who has studied underwater borrowers.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 07:33:34

“Housing recovery could take a decade, economists warn.”

You heard it first here.

 
Comment by Asparagus
2010-01-27 07:35:39

Great warning.

We’re 4 years into it already with foreclosures rising, underwater mortgages rising, no possibility for interest rates to go any lower and no job creation.

Call the Nobel nominating committee, we’ve got a contender.

 
Comment by eastcoaster
2010-01-27 07:36:50

Home prices have fallen 30 percent since reaching their peak…

Except in eastcoaster’s neck of the woods, where they have barely fallen 10 percent. But, hey, who’s counting? (ME!)

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-01-27 10:57:47

Same is true in Maryland.

Idiots here are loving it. There was no Bubble (to them), and now the Bubble (which didn’t exist) will be eternal. Whatever!

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-01-27 07:42:18

“What are we going to do down the road when people who should have been saving for retirement, or college funds, are spending that money instead staying current on their underwater home?”

It used to be paying for their home WAS saving for retirement and college. But now these savings are gone.

“What are we going to do down the road…?

You are going to do without.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-27 20:53:38

Good one combo. Sometimes they just write themselves, don’t they? :lol:

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-01-27 07:47:03

“Housing recovery could take a decade, economists warn”

That’s depressing. I was hoping affordabilty would recover within the next couple of years.

Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-27 07:54:19

“while some people in the hardest-hit regions of the country may not see a recovery during their lifetime.”

Housing will never be affordable in San Diego?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:00:36

Why would one assume they would never be affordable in San Diego, given that they have been at points in the past?

On the other hand, posters on this board who have optimistically waited out the mania with the hope of finding an affordable purchase pot of gold at the end of the recession may find themselves forestalled out of the opportunity to the point in their lives where a home purchase no longer makes sense. Save your money carefully, and perhaps you can help your kids get into the market ten years down the road when they are starting their families…

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Comment by polly
2010-01-27 10:56:32

I think that WT and SD were ironically/sarcastically assuming that the article’s definition of “recovery” was affordability in line with salaries when the definition being used was probably getting back to the recent market highs.

Turn the humor recognition knob up back up, PBear. It is harder to maintain when you have to spend so much time fighting trolls, but we know you have it. ;)

 
Comment by james
2010-01-27 15:48:24

Bear, We’ve got plenty of other places to put our money and get a good return. If prices go down slow I’ll probably keep bond shopping and stock shopping. If homes are a bargin again, I will hop into a purchase.

I’ve talked to several other people and have a bunch of former third world friends. Cash buyers of the future. There biggest concern is that when prices get cheap, they worry about a larger collpase and want to be in an area where you can be more self reliant that ole LA.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 07:57:40

Why would you expect affordability to recover in a couple of years when myriad interventions are currently and prospectively underway to forestall that eventuality as long as possible?

From Merriam-Webster dot com:

Main Entry: fore·stall
Pronunciation: \fȯr-ˈstȯl\
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, from forstall act of waylaying, from Old English foresteall, from fore- + steall position, stall
Date: before 12th century

1 : to prevent the normal trading in by buying or diverting goods or by persuading persons to raise prices

Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-27 08:04:39

The economists considered “recovery” to be rising prices, not a return to affordability. I think WT was turning their definition of “recovery” upside down to mean affordability, not higher prices.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:07:14

So far as I can tell, ‘the economists’ (at least the ones in top U.S. policy circles) also equate affordability with unaffordability — go figure!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:10:44

‘WT was turning their definition of “recovery” upside down to mean affordability, not higher prices.’

P.S. I agree with his ‘upside down’ definition of recovery. My point was that numerous policy measures are in place and under development to delay that eventuality for as long as possible.

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-01-27 11:04:10

Yep, I agree ProfBear.

The more I look around at the crumbling shacks here in Maryland that are the only things affordable to anyone making anywhere near median household income, the more disgusted I become with the whole situation. Endless, old dumps… on-street parking, septic tanks, no central air, lousy maintenance (”handyman specials” and “sold as-is”), older than dirt and showing it… And any newer houses are still laughably overpriced and would only make sense for a family making twice median income.

It looks to me that the “bad guys” have won.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-28 01:20:27

That’s right.

You can chose to lock yourself into paying way too much for the pleasure of owning one of these crapshacks, funded by a high-principle, low interest loan you may never in this lifetime pay off, in the hopes that (against current appearances) the Fed somehow pulls off their future massive reflation which, incidently, “noone could have seen coming.”

Or you may continue renting at artificially inflated rental rates, facing forevermore the risk that real estate prices could start going up again with sufficient government engineering, leaving you priced out forever on the sidelines.

Pick your poison and drink!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Ernest
2010-01-27 07:51:47

Housing recovery could take a decade…

or two

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-01-27 09:22:01

What is recovery? Back to the 2005-06 peak? Assuming low to moderate inflation, a decade is reasonable. But if high inflation comes along all bets are off.

Case-Shiller index has been going up (actual index, not YOY change) for about six months now.

 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-01-27 10:55:33

Argh!

Why must “recovery” always be considered “return to Bubble prices where people can’t afford a decent house!”

I’d love to see an article titled: “Housing prices on the decline and predict at least another decade of increasing affordability.”

 
Comment by Lip
2010-01-27 11:14:05

I live in 85086 and I know that we have a “long way” to go. Ten years might a little optimistic for my area.

There is a huge shadow inventory and the last time I checked over 1,000 homes that were owned by the banks/etal.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 06:06:55

Obama to focus on jobs, deficit in State of the Union

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - After his worst political setback since he took office a year ago, President Barack Obama will vow to revive job growth and tame skyrocketing budget deficits in a crucial State of the Union speech on Wednesday.

Comment by combotechie
2010-01-27 06:13:38

He’s going to revive job growth and tame skyrocketing budget deficits at the same time.

We’ll see.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-01-27 06:47:57

It will be a really good speech, that is all that matters. He will impress everyone with his “intelligence”. Solutions?…not so much.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:36:08

Oh, promises, their kind of promises
can just destroy a life
Oh, promises, those kind of promises
take all the joy from life
Oh, promises, promises, my kind of promises
Can lead to joy and hope and love
Yes, love!!

Promises, Promises
– Burt Bacharach, Jr. –

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:49:32

Best hack violinist’s gig ever:

Playing backup to Bacharach’s band w/ Dionne Warwick singing that song (and what a diva she is — sheesh!!!)…

 
Comment by ahansen
2010-01-27 23:00:04

VERY cool, Prof.

 
 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-01-27 06:48:48

He’s going to revive job growth and tame skyrocketing budget deficits at the same time.

Probably easier to do if more of the money previously spent had been on been on investments toward a new economy rather than trying to revive a corpse.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 07:35:54

Just for grins, during today’s morning commute, I am going to experiment with pushing both the accelerator pedal (with my right foot) and the brake pedal (with my left foot) as hard as possible at the same time.

On second thought, maybe not…

Comment by drumminj
2010-01-27 08:05:52

Just for grins, during today’s morning commute, I am going to experiment with pushing both the accelerator pedal

IIRC, some cars will cut the gas in this situation. I think it was my VW that wouldn’t let you do that, so you couldn’t drive + lightly apply brake to work any glaze off the brake rotors.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:32:40

“IIRC, some cars will cut the gas in this situation.”

I’m guessing some economies might also cut the gas in this situation.

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-01-27 10:00:11

Just for grins, during today’s morning commute, I am going to experiment with pushing both the accelerator pedal (with my right foot) and the brake pedal (with my left foot) as hard as possible at the same time.

On second thought, maybe not…

Better yet - try pressing on the accelerator (internal influence, akin to housing stimulus) at the same time as you experience resistance from an external source (external influence, akin to high vacancy rate), like say the car in front of you. See what happens, and report back to us.

:)

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 06:48:09

..Obama will vow to revive job growth and tame skyrocketing budget deficits…

Another vow? Wow.

Google:
vow obama

Paydirt!
vows Guantanamo closure…
vows to televise healthcare debates..
vows to defeat al Qaeda..
vows to erase special interests…
vow to cut greenhouse emissions…
vows to catch bomb plotters…
vow not to raise taxes on the middle class…
vow combat operations will end in Iraq..
vow to end ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ military policy..
appointment ethics..
somalian pirates..
…and on and on and on it goes.

This guy’s taken more vows than a bucket of nuns.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 07:38:20

You missed one:

Angry Obama vows to tax cash-rich Wall Street

• Tough-talking president wants ‘every single dime’
• British banks operating in the US could face $1bn bill

Jill Treanor
guardian dot co dot uk, Thursday 14 January 2010 20.27 GMT

 
Comment by polly
2010-01-27 11:04:03

First best lesson of working in government. Don’t promise anything until you have a firm grip on how much work there is to do. In business? You just demand everyone work nights and weekends for a month and/or take on some temps/or decide to let other things slide until the promise one is taken care of. Government often isn’t that flexible.

Second best lesson? Figure out a way to keep your boss from making the promise on your behalf.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-27 07:06:59

I read an article the other day in a dead tree newspaper that quoted a census bureau official saying that the quality of applicants for the part time, temporary census jobs is the highest its ever been and that the typical applicant from decades past is being displaced by applicants with collge degrees and managerial experience.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 06:10:22

TOKYO/DETROIT, Jan 27 (Reuters) - Toyota Motor Corp will suspend U.S. sales of eight models subject to a massive safety recall, an unprecendented move that sent its shares tumbling and raised questions about the timing of its earnings recovery.

Toyota said it would also halt production of the models, including the best-selling Camry, at plants in the United States and Canada in the first week of February.

Shares in the world’s biggest automaker suffered their biggest slide in eight months, falling 4.3 percent in a Toyko market .N225 down 0.7 percent on Wednesday.

Last week, Toyota announced it would recall 2.3 million vehicles in the United States to fix potentially faulty accelerator pedals, its second large recall in four months in the United States, its biggest market.

The series of recalls threaten to damage Toyota’s reputation for safety and quality that helped it ascend to the top of the global auto industry.
“This unprecedented automotive decision indicates how serious a safety problem this is,” said Michelle Krebs, senior analyst at Edmunds.com. “We’ve gone from floormats to recalls for wear items to a full shutdown, and I can’t help but think that the company’s credibility is being called into question.”

Comment by arizonadude
2010-01-27 07:35:30

My pt cruiser is limping along still.I broke a timing belt out near palm springs recently.Just cruising along near the windmills and the car just died and I coasted off the freeway.I knew what it was immediately and had to be towed to a shop.Hell of a day.

Comment by combotechie
2010-01-27 07:52:39

I never could understand the logic behind putting a breakable timing belt in an engine.

I’ve had two break. Not a lot of fun. I vow that any car I buy in the future will not have a timing belt.

Comment by pmseatac
2010-01-27 08:29:31

If the car is designed correctly, they are cheap, quick, and easy to replace, and the only thing that happens when they break is that the car quits until they are replaced ( although in some cars the consequences are a lot more severe ). Also, you typically don’t need to replace them very often. Should be replaced by 100,000 miles though. The old-style timing chains broke also, and were usually much more of a hassle to extract and replace.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 13:29:00

You forget……..everyone on this blog owns 15 year old Toyotas and Hondas that have 2-300K miles on them.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-01-27 14:17:41

And Mitsubishis (255k, survived years of drag racing).

 
Comment by polly
2010-01-27 14:45:12

Hey, my Ford is only 13 years old and has less than 110K miles on it. Also a timing chain, not a belt.

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-01-27 19:01:37

everyone on this blog owns 15 year old Toyotas and Hondas that have 2-300K miles on them

My Toyota only has 175k on it. Here’s to hoping I do get 300k out of it!

 
Comment by packman
2010-01-27 19:18:25

Don’t forget Isuzus. Though I only got 180k out of mine before I sold it.

Here’s something cool - I have a BIL that’s a large animal vet, and travels all over his county every day. He had a Chevy S10, with a heavy equipment rack/camper thingie in the back, and put 500k on it in just 10 years.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-01-27 20:30:31

I have ya all beat a 96 ford escort SW with a whopping 60K miles…haha I win????

 
 
Comment by DennisN
2010-01-27 09:20:30

Timing belts permitted higher RPM operation, necessary to get performance out of a small displacement engine. Timing chains stretch slightly with age, throwing the valve timeing off; belts don’t stretch but eventually can break; pushrod engines have gears for timing but are rev limited. Your choice. There’s no free lunch in engine design.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 13:38:58

And why is valve timing important? (to continue your explaination)

Because of EPA regs. Engines have to be emissions certified to 100K miles. Can’t do it with a chain…….at least not a chain that doesn’t cost a couple of hundred bucks. Besides, the chain is noisy.
Belts are cheaper, quieter and work fine, as long as you pay attention to the life limit.

 
 
 
Comment by jess
2010-01-27 08:18:56

I’ve always hated timing belts too .. $300 to $500 ??? .. My old ford pickup with the in-line 6 hasn’t got one . If those motors give out before 250K it’s considered a malfunction . And Guess what , Ford quit making those motors about 10 years ago .

Comment by X-philly
2010-01-27 10:02:40

I had a timing belt go on a 2001 Escort, right around 90k miles. Lucky that the car stopped right in front of a friend’s house.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 13:32:48

“……quit making those motors about 10 years ago.”

And you can thank the EPA for that. For better and for worse.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 07:38:50

wmbz, do you really need to post today what you posted x2 yesterday? ;-)

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-01-27 07:53:36

Schadenfreude. I have been a Ford buyer and driver all my life. Just thought that Toyotas are too expensive. Of course, probably now the American carmakers will raise their prices and piss me off.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 08:11:14

Ford is good. ;-)

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 13:40:51

But their factory installed radios suck. Every one I’ve ever owned had the factory cassette/CD player crap out around 50K miles.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-27 09:10:15

Don’t all Ford pickups have OHC engines with timing belts now?

Comment by DennisN
2010-01-27 09:21:38

No my 2001 F-150 with 4.6l V8 has a SOHC design with chains.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 06:19:07

NASA’s plans to return astronauts to the moon are dead. So are the rockets being designed to take them there — that is, if President Barack Obama gets his way.

When the White House releases his budget proposal Monday, there will be no money for the Constellation program that was supposed to return humans to the moon by 2020. The troubled and expensive Ares I rocket that was to replace the space shuttle to ferry humans to space will be gone, along with money for its bigger brother, the Ares V cargo rocket that was to launch the fuel and supplies needed to take humans back to the moon.

There will be no lunar landers, no moon bases, no Constellation program at all.

In their place, according to White House insiders, agency officials, industry executives and congressional sources familiar with Obama’s long-awaited plans for the space agency, NASA will look at developing a new “heavy-lift” rocket that one day will take humans and robots to explore beyond low Earth orbit. But that day will be years — possibly even a decade or more — away.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-01-27 06:27:53

Forget that. Just give the money to Goldman Sachs, they will do the most overall good with it. They are the gateway to any new frontier.

Comment by combotechie
2010-01-27 07:06:23

To the moon, Alice.

 
 
Comment by Eddie
2010-01-27 06:38:46

Yeah that whole space technology R&D is a waste of money. I’d rather have the money spent on repaving perfectly good highways over and over. Makes sense from Barry’s POV. When you repave the highway for the 4th time, you can have a nice photo opp with the workers whose jobs were “saved or created” along with a nice shiny “THIS CONSTRUCTION PROJECT WAS PAID FOR WITH PORKULUS DOLLARS” sign.

Will this nightmare never end?

Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-27 07:09:08

A rare ocassion where I agree with you. Now we will be dependent on the Russians to get our astronauts to the the ISS.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-01-27 08:43:46

Eddie “unexpectedly” sounded intelligent.

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Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-01-27 07:17:15

Eddie, I don’t get you. Everyday you come on here and run your keyboard about how awful Obama is but how completely over the recession is. Clearly, you believe Obama ended the recession just like his handlers do. Then how can you hate him so much?

It seems that Obama wants to raise spending and cut deficits at the same time. You won’t to bury Obama for being stupid economically yet praise him for ending the recession.

Which is it? If the recession is over then it is time for you to STFU.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 07:48:25

According to Eddie, Obama’s economic policies were so successful that they had already undone the massive damage of the Bush recession as of six months ago. Give Obama credit where due, Eddie.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 07:51:43

STFU ;-)

He’s a young repubican, which makes him a “TrueBeliever’s™ he’s also a Haskell which also makes him a “TrueDeceiver’s ™” …like those lil repubican’s that got caught yesterday in Democratic U.S. Sen. Mary Landrieu’s office trying to impress their Porkalus Papa, Rash Limpbaughs by commiting political espionage.

My guess is that he’s the type to Yell / Scream / pound his fist, until you all believe in the “Truth” he has to offer as “evidence” of his “brilliance” :-)

eddie = Haskell = “TrueMyopicInstigator

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Comment by drumminj
2010-01-27 08:12:02

He’s a young repubican, which makes him a “TrueBeliever’s™ he’s also a Haskell which also makes him a “TrueDeceiver’s ™”

Would you guys drop the personal attacks already? Over, and over, and over. You realize you’re driving readers (and donations) away from the HBB?

Grow up.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:30:48

“You realize you’re driving readers (and donations) away from the HBB?”

I have to assume that is Eddie’s primary purpose, based on his numerous off-topic anti-Obama posts.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:37:46

P.S. Eddie’s other presumptive purpose:

Driving away regular posters.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 09:57:06

“Over, and over, and over.” ;-)

If you don’t face ‘em they win, …google these near recent “TrueBeliever’s™ / TrueDeceiver’s ™” Hitler, Stalin, Made-Off, Enron, take note of their Modus Operandi, 1st Deceive, 2nd Believe 3rd… Control the Message! :-)

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-01-27 09:59:33

I have to assume that is Eddie’s primary purpose, based on his numerous off-topic anti-Obama posts.

Driving away regular posters.

Actually, PB, it’s you, Hwy, and the others who engage in personal attacks that have driven me away. Eddie jumps in at times as well, but in general talks about the topic at hand, rather than making numerous posts doing nothing but denigrating other posters.

No matter how many people complain, tell you guys to grow up, drop the personal attacks, etc…for some reason you all are so insecure that you keep at it. It’s annoying and unbecoming, and has changed the tone of this blog for the worse.

 
Comment by measton
2010-01-27 10:21:07

You have to be kidding right.

PB posts articles and reasoned arguements, and debates well. Eddie posts political rants, and opinion backed up by nothing. See his rant on expected home sales above.

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-01-27 10:30:28

You have to be kidding right.

No, actually, I’m not. I’ve acknowledged the benefit PB brings. And I’m not comparing PB to Eddie. I’m saying that PB posts a lot of personal attacks and they’re annoying and lower the level of discourse on this blog.

If you want, I can compile a list of them from today alone to illustrate my point.

 
Comment by ahansen
2010-01-27 12:26:57

Have to agree, drumminj. You guys all bring a great deal to the table, but if you keep squabbling over who gets the blue plate or who called who a poopie head, Ben is going to have to send you to your rooms without supper. Be nicer, okay?
love,
a

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 17:18:53

Haskell post “TrueInstigator’s™” cr@p, I reply…the problem starts where?

Hwy inserts music: “I didn’t start the Fire!” :-) (Emphasis on the last line in the Chorus!)

Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray
South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio

Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, television
North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe

Rosenbergs, H-Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
Brando, “The King and I”, and “The Catcher in the Rye”

Eisenhower, vaccine, England’s got a new queen
Marciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye

CHORUS
We didn’t start the fire
It was always burning
Since the world’s been turning
We didn’t start the fire
No we didn’t light it
But we tried to fight it

Anyone that puts Studebaker in a pop song has blanquillos! ;-)

 
 
Comment by Eddie
2010-01-27 09:03:40

Fair enough with that criticism.

However, presidents don’t really affect the economy, for good or bad despite the credit they take when times are good and blame they get when times are bad. Despite Obama’s best intentions to destroy the economy, he can’t succeed. It’s too big for even THE ONE to affect much.

The thing about this once great nation is we are (for now) 300 million individuals that work in our best interest. Well those of us that work anyway. And I will work to advance my own interests as much as I can, despite the roadblocks Harry, Barry and Nancy want to put in my way.

If more people got off their collective asses and didn’t wait for the govt to solve all their problems (Im talking to you Ryo, Bear Dude and Hwy49) they’d see it the same way. Until then you will see nothing but doom and gloom everywhere you look.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-27 11:00:36

Given that “Ryo” doesn’t even live in the US I don’t see how you can accuse him of waiting for the gov’t to solve his problems.

FWIW, the gov’t solves lots of my problems. It provides roads and other infrastructure I couldn’t live without. It provides public universities where my kids attend (they’d be screwed if they had to pay 30K+ per year to attend a mediocre private college).

I don’t think anyone is proposing that the gov’t solve every single problem.

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-01-27 12:02:13

It provides roads and other infrastructure I couldn’t live without

You could live without them. The means of transport would be different, though. Rather than having passenger cars as they exist, we’d have vehicles that could traverse whatever terrain was in place. Be it trucks, covered wagons, etc.

People survived without the behemoth government we have today. Scaling back government would not result in us all dying, or being rendered helpless as your post seems to imply.

There are many self-taught people out there who never went to college, yet hold ‘professional’ jobs. The government is not *necessary* for such things.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 13:05:37

If you want to see what “Eddy/Republican Model City” looks like, spend a couple of weeks in Dallas, Texas.

Scatterbrained “development” and “growth” are priority one. Poorly maintained roads jammed with traffic 24/7/365……except of course for the “privately owned/managed” toll roads, with toll booths every 5 miles. Light Rail into downtown and to DFW for the suburbanites, but decent roads/transportation options for “those people”? Not so much.

And ask a Metroplex resident about their property taxes. And their electric bills…..especially the old timers, and the price they paid before and after they were offered a “choice”……imagine what it would be like if the guys that wrote your cell phone service contract got ahold of your electric bill.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 14:05:16

“…except of course for the “privately owned/managed” toll roads, with toll booths every 5 miles”

cHummer + Toll Road = Business Tax Deduction

(The bonus = light traffic & no pre 2003 model cars + drivers with out insurance) ;-)

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 15:17:08

…….and aggravating as hell, when visiting Dallas for the first time in 20 years, and you don’t have a electronic tag, or a console full of change.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 17:06:42

heheheeehheheee, what X-GSfixr, no “Secret Service” to escort you around Dalla$$? ;-)

 
 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-01-27 07:56:07

Our roads in CA are the worse they’ve ever been. I don’t know if it’s bad materials or long-term neglect.

I’ve always liked the idea of the space program, but don’t know if it’s worth it.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:05:34

Same story in my hood. I thought I broke an axle a couple of days back when I accidentally drove through a six-inch-deep pothole. It takes a while for potholes this deep to develop in an area which is utterly devoid of snow or ice.

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Comment by Eddie
2010-01-27 10:10:00

That’s because the road construction biz is a racket like no other. Build the roads like crap, wait a year until they start falling apart, get contract to fix. Rinse. Repeat. And this works especially nicely when there are $800B worth of contracts out there from certain job-creating stimulus bills

Don’t blame NASA’s budget for that.

This is the same nonesene you hear about Iraq. Oh if we only didn’t spend that money in Iraq we could spend it on education. Never mind that already the US spends more per pupil than any other country and still 1/2 the kids graduating high school can’t read. And every year the budget for education grows, and every year test scores get worse which leads to a cry for more money.

You can debate the merits of NASA (or Iraq). But don’t use this “if we don’t spend the money there, XYZ problem will go away with all the new found money” argument. It doesn’t hold water.

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Comment by scdave
2010-01-27 07:58:19

Will this nightmare never end ??

When we clean up the mess you necons got us into in Iraq thats when….

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 08:14:09

As the “White Hats” say in Tayhos: “Bidness is Bidness” ;-)

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Comment by 2banana
2010-01-27 08:17:57

Trillions for wall street and bonuses - nothing for science and technology that may actually lead to new ideas, inventions, industries and new jobs…

Comment by scdave
2010-01-27 08:30:34

I agree 2banana…630 Bil a year for tanks and boots I might add….Misguided priorities…

Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-27 09:17:17

Oh well, with no spaceships we’ll never be able to invade Pandora to steal their unobtanium.

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Comment by Cowtown
2010-01-27 13:57:40

Am I the last person in the known universe who hasn’t seen that movie?

 
Comment by ahansen
2010-01-27 15:59:37

No.

 
Comment by Kirisdad
2010-01-27 18:46:47

What movie?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-01-27 11:07:50

As I suspected, the Ares I-X will be the last rocket of any consequences our dying nation will launch.

But at least Goldman Sucks will have plenty of money to toss around.

 
Comment by polly
2010-01-27 11:17:03

The docents at the Air and Space Museum are going to be pissed.

I actually did the whole tour last weekend after helping my brother and sister-in-law pile the kids into the car for the trip back to NYC. 2 1/2 hours of just highlights of the Mall building. And it finished up with the Ares rocket/back to the moon displays.

 
Comment by ahansen
2010-01-27 12:07:41

Russians do propulsion/rocketry better, and we’ve already been to the moon. That money is better spent on the Mars, Jupiter, deep space programs and robotics. Far smarter use of limited funds available for scientific advancement in space.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 13:49:45

Until we come up with a propulsion system that reduces the travel time to outlying planets (never mind solar systems), worrying about going anywhere other than the moon is a waste of time, IMO. The moon (hopefully) will have the raw materials available to process into something that will take us there, while using less energy to get it into orbit.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 14:00:37

“Until we come up with a propulsion system that reduces the travel time to outlying planets…”

Geez, sounds like a future goal for all of Humanity, …then again, in 13 Billion years, what will be the end result?

Run Hwy,…run! ;-)

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-01-27 21:19:20

The space program historically returns $13 for every $1 spent.

But the more important aspect is the strategic and tactical advantages.

In war (cold or hot) he who holds the high ground has the bigger advantage. I can guarantee you that every nation on this planet wants to control space and the one that does will own the future for hundreds of years.

Another important aspect is advanced research. Any nation that is not engaged in advanced scientific and engineering R&D is doomed to fall behind those that do. And again, this has significant military consequences.

China not only has operational high speed rail like Europe, but they also have a daily commercial operation mag lev. And are building another one. They are also the only country besides the USA and Russia to put men into space.

We are losing our lead. Period. Crippling our space program is suicide.

 
 
Comment by azrenter
2010-01-27 06:28:49

Who needs rockets when there is money to be made by screwing the taxpayers?

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 06:29:29

Good thing the U.S. economy doesn’t have any of the problems the U.K. does.

UK economy lies ‘on bed of nitroglycerine’ – top financier ~ Daily Mail

Bill Gross deals blow to government with warning to his investors that Britain’s debt makes it a ‘must to avoid’

The government’s hopes of claiming credit for reviving the British economy suffered a severe blow today when the world’s biggest buyers of bonds warned that the UK was a “must to avoid” for his investors as its debt was “resting on a bed of nitroglycerine”.

The intervention by Bill Gross, co-founder of California-based fund managers Pimco, came on the day official figures confirmed that Britain had emerged from the deepest recession since the 1930s – but only by the narrowest of margins.

The economy grew by 0.1% in the final three months of last year, much weaker than even the most cautious expectations in Westminster and the City. The unexpectedly sluggish performance prompted Alastair Darling to warn that Britain could yet fall back into recession, telling the Guardian “there will be hiccups along the way”.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-01-27 07:18:56

England lacks a strong, organized, efficient government like that of the USA. I don’t think they employ hope as a focal point of economic recovery - that is out secret weapon. We will be fine.

 
Comment by Asparagus
2010-01-27 07:39:43

Who says “nitroglycerine” anymore? I haven’t heard that in a looonnnng time.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 07:44:05

It served the intended purpose of grabbing our attention…

Comment by Asparagus
2010-01-27 07:53:36

Now that is true!

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Comment by DennisN
2010-01-27 09:52:41

Most people think of it as a heart medicine nowadays….

Nitroglycerine is terribly unstable. Nobel’s invention was to soak it up in sawdust to make it safely portable: he named his invention “dynamite”.

Comment by Mike in Bend
2010-01-27 19:54:10

my grandfather passed away with a bottle of nitro in his hands, he was cleaning his shop in preperation for our annual visit. Couldn’t take it fast enough or else the heart attack was just too catastrophic. It was 1984, we had driven cross country to see him in Minnesota, got there a day late, but in time for the funeral. Sad, as my father knew it would be the last time to see his dad. Miss gramps, Oly too even though I only read her, never really jousted with her. Sadder than sad, puts things in perspective though. life ends whether you are an ower or a bitter renter.

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Comment by Martin
2010-01-27 06:32:34

India’s stock market SENSEX down by almost 1600 points in the last four trading sessions. Looks like Asia is headed for a drop in the coming weeks. Emerging market funds would have a bad return this quarter. I thinking these markets are now “emerged markets” with the kind of pricing these countries have for RE. A livable normal apartment costs $1 million in Shanghai, more than a million in Hong Kong, same in Beijing and Bombay and close to $600K in Delhi, India.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-01-27 06:38:38

The stock market in Sri Lanka is up 100% in the past year. Do you think that Helicopter Benny has created any worldwide bubbles?

Comment by 2banana
2010-01-27 07:17:34

The stock market in Sri Lanka is up 100% in the past year. Do you think that Helicopter Benny has created any worldwide bubbles?

What happens when you wipe out terrorists to the last man and show no mercy.

 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-01-27 06:50:17

Submerging Market hedge-funds will be the new bubble opportunity.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 07:32:01

This should be good for both the dollar and for The Precious™, as emerging market panic ignites a spike in flight-to-quality demand for safe havens.

Comment by scdave
2010-01-27 08:03:46

I agree Pbear…

 
 
 
Comment by Muggy
2010-01-27 07:21:56

I share an office with 3 other people. 2 of us rent, 2 of us own… guess which two just spent the last 10 minutes talking about “strategic default?”

Interesting times…

Comment by combotechie
2010-01-27 07:30:11

Times will become VERY interesting VERY quickly if this idea of strategic defaults takes hold and sweeps across the land.

Comment by scdave
2010-01-27 08:05:29

That could be the “Black Swan” combo…

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 09:46:00

What Main St. behave like Wall St.? Why, that’s “inconceivable!” :-)

 
Comment by packman
2010-01-27 10:25:32

Times will become VERY interesting VERY quickly if this idea of strategic defaults takes hold and sweeps across the land.

Banks are pretty much limited in what they can do to respond to strategic defaults. They pretty much have to eat the loss or else pass it on to their politically-connected cousins.

Now countries on the other hand, have a wider variety of options when their creditors default. Especially big countries with say populations of a billion or so people; and with, shall we say, “scientific control” of a few key elements down towards the bottom of the periodic table.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 07:42:55

Now that the HBB posters have discussed strategic defaults to the point of exhaustion and moved on to other topics, you can expect the subject to come up around the proverbial water cooler with increasing regularity going forward.

 
Comment by Asparagus
2010-01-27 07:51:20

Oh “Strategic” you say! How cunning!

Hat’s off to them for outwitting the banks in this grand match of housing chess.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:27:41

Cue in JoeyinCA for a lecture on the immorality of walking away from your obligations (unless you happen to run a bank, of course…).

Comment by eastcoaster
2010-01-27 08:37:06

I think it’s pretty dishonorable myself. You play, you pay. No sympathies from someone like me who chose not to make a very big and very bad financial decision.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:40:10

I essentially said the same thing in a response to one of Joey’s posts yesterday. However, I don’t agree with the policy of forbearance to lenders who turn around and send NODs to households, which is the status quo.

 
 
Comment by Asparagus
2010-01-27 09:28:41

I just get a kick out of the phrase “strategic default”.

IMHO, it screams “I am a total f’ing poser who sat at the water cooler in 2006 talking about what a real estate genius I was without having done any research or had any grasp of how the real estate market works, and now I’m stuck with this POS condo that is going to destroy my credit, but because I can’t ever admit to the similarities between me and the guy in Detroit who lost his job and defaulted to keep paying his kid’s medical bills, I’m going to call my default ‘Strategic’ “.

The phrase makes my skin crawl.

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Comment by Muggy
2010-01-27 09:59:49

“The phrase makes my skin crawl.”

Yeah, but it’s not nearly as hideous as “manscaping” or “metrosexual.” I’m looking forward to some of those “How I Met Your Mother”isms fading away.

 
Comment by Mike in Bend
2010-01-27 19:37:38

A tale of two defaults
But Barack says that home prices are rebounding, it must be so, if we could all just hang on a bit longer…Homes will go back up in value and all the defaulters will be kickin themselves, ya think?

My buddy’s family has a mortgage that was financed for a modest house for 270k at 50% DTI. His wife has a good job as a nurse, he is mr mom currently, as in our community there are over 1200 out of work teachers. Their bank account is draining due to higher than expected living expenses. He is out of work(laid off teacher), there were medical issues. blah Blah.

Was joe 6 pack supposed to understand all about underwriting standards over history, overly complicated fincancial vehicles called MBS’s, and why their mortgages will break them? Placating lenders, brokers, realtors really encouraged us to think long and hard before signing the bottom line(not). But at least we were all fairly warned by the REIC of the risks, right?

Strategic or not, more defaults are a comin’ (our house too, the mortgage drains our funds faster than “expected”)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 07:29:33

Dumb questions of the day:

1. Have the Treasury Department and the Fed essentially merged purposes?

2. If no, please explain what central bank independence means for us Lilliputians who don’t grasp the concept.

3. If yes, why not simply turn the Fed into a subsidiary of the Treasury Department?

Comment by packman
2010-01-27 10:27:52

3. If yes, why not simply turn the Fed into a subsidiary of the Treasury Department?

This one’s easy. The Treasury is mandated to provide a high level of transparency. The Fed - not so much.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 07:31:21

Which means it’s stock will go up.

Caterpillar profit down 65%
LONDON (MarketWatch) — Construction and mining equipment group Caterpillar Inc. said Wednesday that its fourth-quarter net profit fell 65% as it also forecast sales and earnings would rebound in 2010.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-01-27 07:38:49

CNBC was trying to spin by the same old, they beat wall street estimates BS.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-01-27 08:40:36

If the whole universe imploded CNBC would say the outcome was “better than expected”. The channel exists for the sake of maintaining a certain elevated level of denial for investors. One big commercial for wall street. BTE TV.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 07:40:30

Fair is foul and foul is fair:
Hover through the fog and filthy air.

– The Weird Sisters –

Shakespeare’s Macbeth

 
 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-01-27 08:01:20

Hey Eddie. I just clicked over to CNN. They’re talking about a stimulus Boardwalk project in Delaware that cost $5.5 million to create 31 jobs. You really should watch it - it would give you a lot of ammo.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-01-27 08:10:11

Does the 31 jobs include the jobs of the money managers that will be tasked with investing the money skimmed from such a pork-barrel project?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:23:16

Don’t knock it too hard: Some of that skimmed money may eventually get back to Eddie as consulting fees.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-01-27 09:43:50

You mean Eddie’s brain tissue might contain high levels of pork? That would explain alot.

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Comment by drumminj
2010-01-27 10:08:34

Don’t knock it too hard: Some of that skimmed money may eventually get back to Eddie as consulting fees.

Again, a needless personal attack.

PBear, you add a lot of benefit to this blog. You bring a lot of good articles to our attention and provide valuable analysis. Is it really asking too much for you to stick to the topics at hand, rather than attacking other individuals on this blog that you dislike?

Really, based on what you’ve said about your life, you’re a middle-aged adult. Is it unreasonable to expect you to behave like one?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 10:43:15

If you don’t like troll bashing or spectating at blog rolling contests, I suggest you install the Joshua Tree extension and skip my posts.

 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-01-27 10:45:25

I’m with you on wishing for a higher level of discourse here, but the idea that Eddie is paid to be here and steer the conversation in the direction that his employer would like seems disturbingly likely. If so, I can see why people might want that rooted out…

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-01-27 11:45:52

I suggest you install the Joshua Tree extension and skip my posts.

Nice suggestion.

So in your eyes, the posters on this blog shouldn’t try to keep each other in line with regards to behavior and manners towards other posters?

Honestly, I’m disappointed Ben has not stepped in and moderated the personal attacks. I’m sure he sees far worse (the posts that don’t make it through), but as I’ve stated, it has led to me visiting infrequently and stopping my donations. I’m pretty sure I’m not the only one.

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-01-27 11:47:21

If so, I can see why people might want that rooted out…

Perhaps, but personal attacks aren’t a productive move towards that goal. Simply refuting the content of his posts would be sufficient.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-01-27 11:54:46

Although I am an adult and would never resort to personal attack I think Eddie is a complete douche-bag and take delight in reading anything spectulatively slanderous anyone throws in his direction. If you demand PC, then watch NBC news and only that.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 11:58:50

drumminj

I was raised with x5 Catholic Repubican “TrueBeliever’s™ / TrueDeceiver’s ™” “TrueInstigator’s™” “TrueProvoker’s ™”

I was the youngest child by 5-15 years, I readily recognize “deceit” cloaked in words & phrases…I’ve also learned what the result is when you don’t confront the “TruePerpetrators™” head-on. With that said, I envoke that old Puerto Rican motherly hug: “Talk to the hand , because the ear isn’t listening” ;-)

I calls’em as I sees’em: eddie =

Haskell = “TrueMyopicInstigator™”

“TrueHaskell™” = “But, but, but…”

If there’s ever a “BlogRadio™”, Haskell’s resume will have an “self-embellished” recommendation from Rash Limpbaughs.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 12:18:29

“So in your eyes, the posters on this blog shouldn’t try to keep each other in line with regards to behavior and manners towards other posters?”

Au contraire. I neither derive pleasure from nor take payment for calling attention to troll posts whose presumptive purpose is to degrade the generally-high quality of discussion here; I do it solely out of a sense of duty. And the argument that I single out particular posters for attack is specious; I have called and will call attention to troll posts regardless of their blog handles. Blog rolling is only an option for trolls who never get the hint.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 12:23:35

“…but the idea that ***** is paid to be here and steer the conversation in the direction that his employer would like seems disturbingly likely.”

Even if occasional HBB troll attacks represent paid PR (prostitution) work, at least we now have legal clarification from the SCOTUS decision that such posters are just exercising their 1st Amendment Rights.

 
Comment by drumminj
2010-01-27 19:06:04

Au contraire. I neither derive pleasure from nor take payment for calling attention to troll posts whose presumptive purpose is to degrade the generally-high quality of discussion here;

While you may find Eddie (or anyone else’s) facts to be suspicious, his level of discourse has been perfectly reasonable and mature (compared to the regular discourse here). I would argue that personal attacks most certainly degrade the quality of discussion, even considering questionable claims or mis-statements of fact.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 19:23:38

“While you may find Eddie (or anyone else’s) facts to be suspicious…”

Facts without data or references to support me always strike me as suspicious.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-01-27 19:25:26

‘discourse has been perfectly reasonable and mature’

This isn’t so, as you don’t see the 15 or 20 posts I don’t let through each day. And this is my challenge as a moderator; do I blacklist this poster entirely or let just the less offensive stuff through, or allow everything and turn the blog into a meaningless mudfest?

It’s a fine line. But I keep calling for a return to what we knew to be true even in 2005:

Don’t feed the trolls

Because if they are trolls and are just pushing peoples buttons, for whatever motivation, once ignored they go away.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 21:45:22

Ben —

I generally agree with your policy; if ignored, and given that their only payment is the satisfaction of annoying others, trolls do tend to disappear after a time. But I am not sure this will happen if trolls are receiving payment for showing up here and slinging OT mud around.

For instance, a certain troll who shall not be named recently suggested everyone on the planet is no better than a prostitute. Given that he has also bragged on numerous occasions that he does contract work for Wall Street Megabanks, is it a big leap to infer that someone pays him good money to spend lots of time here delivering malicious posts?

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Eddie
2010-01-27 08:49:28

From Politico:

“Fox is the most trusted television news network in the country, according to a new poll out Tuesday.

A Public Policy Polling nationwide survey of 1,151 registered voters Jan. 18-19 found that 49 percent of Americans trusted Fox News, 10 percentage points more than any other network. Thirty-seven percent said they didn’t trust Fox, also the lowest level of distrust that any of the networks recorded.

CNN was the second-most-trusted network, getting the trust of 39 percent of those polled. Forty-one percent said they didn’t trust CNN.”

MSNBC viewers were too small a sample to survey.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-27 09:11:14

I don’t trust any of them. They’re all shills.

Comment by Eddie
2010-01-27 10:15:58

I wish they were all open shills though. It would be great if Fox said we’re the conservative news channel. Watch us and we’ll give you the right point of view. MSNBC more or less does that, but even they have a nudge, nudge, wink, wink we’re independent journalists attitude. Same with CNN, NBC News, ABC News, etc.

Or the NY TImes. Why can’t they just say look we’re a liberal paper and our reporting is from a liberal angle. I’d have a lot more respect, and maybe even buy it if they gave up the pretense of objective journalism when they do nothing of it.

The thing with Fox is, they are right of center. But they will give the other side at least somewhat. Try finding a conservative guest on an MSNBC show. On CNN there are Republican token guests (usually of the RINO variety). But more often than not, it’s 2 against 1 or the “conservative” on the panel is a David Brooks type “conservative” who agrees with the liberal on 80% of the issues.

That’s why Fox is trusted more, even by those who disagree with the content.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-27 10:54:20

I see your point. I can trust them to give me their biased point of view.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 13:02:53

Haskell, nice looooong xplanation about your POV.

My POV is slightly more condensed: :-)

Faux News & WSJ = MUrDoch’s “True Chupacabra™”

Moreover:

“TrueBeliever’s™ / TrueDeceiver’s™” “TrueInstigator’s ™” Corporate sponsor is:

MUrDoch’s “TrueProvoker ™” Faux News

I’ve read you’re comment, it left this impression to my short-term memory:

“TrueHaskell™” = “But, but, but…”

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 13:33:35

“He’s a glory hound.” …that word instantly fired neurons that produced letters in my mind that spelled out: Casey / O’Keefe / Heene / Haskell :-)

Rick Moran, host of a conservative talk radio show, told his listeners that it appeared that O’Keefe had ignored the requirement that journalists be objective.

“It appears to me that all of this notoriety went to the kid’s head and he began to see himself as some kind of avenging angel for the right. . . . But this guy is no journalist — conservative or otherwise. He’s a glory hound.”

Listen to yer Leadership “TrueBeliever’s™ / TrueDeceiver’s ™” young repubicans:

“Michelle Malkin, a well-known conservative pundit and syndicated columnist, wrote late Tuesday that exposing wrongdoing is not an excuse to break the law, and that O’Keefe’s alleged actions should be taken seriously.”

“Let it be a lesson to aspiring young conservatives interested in investigative journalism: Know your limits. Know the law,” she wrote. ” Don’t get carried away. And don’t become what you are targeting.”

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 16:57:19

“…It would be great if Fox said we’re the conservative news channel. Watch us and we’ll give you the right point of view.”

So any HBB readers need more “evidence” that Haskell can’t read “between the Faux News broadcasts?” I eagerly await your reply’s. ;-)

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-28 00:49:29

I never watch Faux News, except when I work out at the local YMCA, where it is piped in, making it hard to ignore. It seems like a propaganda channel right out of Orwell’s 1984.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-28 00:51:29

The other thing — why doesn’t Faux News broadcast on the Comedy Channel along with Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert? Wouldn’t that be a more honest outlet for a comedy news program like Faux News?

 
 
 
 
Comment by Lip
2010-01-27 11:22:45

Cable News Ratings: Fox News Still Tops

“FNC has been the top rated cable news network for 86 consecutive months, finishing February as the third most watched basic cable network in primetime.”

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/179815-Cable_News_Ratings_Fox_News_Still_Tops.php

Nuff said.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-01-27 19:26:22

“FNC has been the top rated cable news network for 86 consecutive months,

And media is influential. How has our economy, justice and liberty fared in that same 86 months? Have corporations and Wall Street become less or more powerful? Are we more “free”? Are we at peace and gainfully employed?

Are the answers good?

Comment by measton
2010-01-27 23:02:48

Yep blind the sheep with religion and faux patriotism then Rape the sheep.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 12:25:24

From Politico:

What is Politico and what does it have to do with “Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.”?

 
Comment by ahansen
2010-01-27 12:45:52

Wrong. PBS Newshour is.
Depends entirely on the collective IQ of your sample.

That Fox “news” would even be considered is argument enough for bringing back literacy tests as a prerequisite to voting.

 
Comment by rms
2010-01-27 12:53:13

I seriously don’t understand how anybody can sit through a news broadcast in the format presented by Fox News.

Comment by exeter
2010-01-27 18:32:58

I don’t understand why anyone would want to.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 08:59:46

What does housing have to do with Wall Street share prices any more? Here I was thinking that Wall Street and the housing market had decoupled, once the TARP got rid of all those nasty toxic MBS.

Market Snapshot

Jan. 27, 2010, 10:21 a.m. EST
U.S. stocks weaken after housing data

‹ Previous Column

U.S. stocks end down after late-day swoon

By Peter McKay, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Stocks weakened Wednesday following the release of data showing an unexpected drop in sales of new homes.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 09:37:24

AFSCME agrees to 200 layoffs ~ January 27, 2010

A months-long legal dispute between Gov. Quinn and state government’s largest employee union ended Tuesday with the union agreeing to lay off roughly 200 state workers.

The number could increase if the state proceeds with closures of state facilities that already have been announced, such as the Thomson Correctional Center.

The lawsuit stems from an effort by Gov. Quinn last summer to cut $1 billion from the budget by laying off 2,600 state workers. AFSCME sued, arguing the layoffs violated the union’s contract and put public safety at risk because 1,000 would come from the Corrections Department.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 09:39:22

PurinaCare offers pet insurance as group benefit to employers.
San Antonio Business Journal

PurinaCare Pet Health Insurance is expanding into the employee group benefits business.

PurinaCare created a Group Benefits Department that will offer employers and associations group discounts for providing their employees and members with pet health insurance.

Pet insurance is a coverage program designed to pick up the tab on the high cost of vet bills. A report by the American Pet Products Manufacturers Association showed that last year dog owners spent $785 on average on vet bills while cat owners spent $516. Another survey by the same association showed that despite the recession, 80 percent of pet owners continued to spend the same level of money on their furry friends.

Through PurinaCare’s new program, the company is hoping employers will offer pet health insurance — in addition to the health insurance provided for humans — as an added benefit to attract and retain employees.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-27 10:53:19

In a time when employee benefits and pay are being slashed this is risible at best.

 
Comment by Spokaneman
2010-01-27 15:59:30

I have a hunch the IRS will have a problem allowing pet insurance as a deduction to the employer.

 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2010-01-28 15:52:11

I’m guessing it will be something employees can purchase at a group discount rate, not something that the employer will pay for. No tax implication and a win for both the pet insurance company and employees who love their pets.

 
 
Comment by azrenter
2010-01-27 09:52:34

Pretty much guarantees that vet visits will increase in cost, along with more and more BS tests for various ailments. Along with they will let the pet med business advertise their wares to pets now. Great move!!

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 09:58:15

Andrea, always has her finger on the pulse of the common man!

“There’s an anger out there, and I have not seen it since my very first campaign which was George Wallace. There is an angry subtext because of economic dislocation.”

~Andrea Mitchell

Comment by X-philly
2010-01-27 10:14:39

These talking heads are trying to make the discontent a southern redneck thing so how does she account for the Repub victories in NJ and MA?

Must be nice to live in a bubble sustained by one’s own hot air, augmented by the CO2 emissions of one’s equally clueless press ho compatriots.

For cripes sake even Chrissy Matthews is starting to pick up on the source of the discontent.

And can’t Andrea Mitchell stay on message, what economic dislocation? Doesn’t she know there’s no longer a recession due to the wondrous economy rehab achieved by the stimulus package?

I think Andrea is just all wee-wee’d up because her hairdresser messed up YET AGAIN.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-01-27 11:10:01

I think Andrea is just all wee-wee’d up because her hairdresser messed up YET AGAIN.

Maybe she’s all wee-wee’d up because she married a horse’s patoot named Al Greenspan. That’d be enough to make anybody petty and grouchy for a few decades …

Comment by X-philly
2010-01-27 12:11:47

what a visual, too horrible to contemplate.

terrible

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 12:41:28

I suppose that if your normal circle of friends/acquaintances/business associates are the “I’ve got mine, what’s your problem?” crowd, going out and talking to the serfs might be a little shocking.

Sorta like what would happen if most of the people on this blog were to have a conversation with a Wall Street banker about the costs of running his yacht.

 
Comment by basura
2010-01-27 15:09:50

People must be racist if they don’t hate my maestro.

That’s how she thinks…..

 
Comment by Spokaneman
2010-01-27 16:01:40

I imagine tha Andrea is a little defensive as her hubby, “Crazy Al” Greenspan is arguably at the head of the line for taking blame for this mess.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 16:48:55

“…Greenspan is arguably at the head of the line for taking blame for this mess”

Really? Who’d thunk America’s first “Knighted” eCONomist would have a “toto” Event revealing his “short” comings. ;-)

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 12:10:18

“There’s an anger out there, and I have not seen it since my very first campaign which was George Wallace”

And we, as a Nation, have a “Non-Hawaiian” as US President dealing for 12 months with the “After-Effects” of:

Cheney-Shrub Shadow Legacy Effect #8: “We delivered the worst US Economy in 80 years, see ya” :-)

Cheney-Shrub Shadow Legacy Effect #2: “Shazam-Islam-is-now-Democracy” in Iraq & Afghanistan

Cheney-Shrub: “We want him to succeed as president, we really do.” ;-)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 13:51:32

Sir Greenisspent & Andrea Mitchell

Biography:
“My years with the Fed: Tongue & Cheek” ;-)

 
Comment by james
2010-01-27 16:51:07

Sometimes I think the two parties could be described thus…

The Republican promise to really screw things up…

…and the Democrat rescue to make things even worse.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 18:05:51

I have another POV

The Democrapts create food lines in parks, the Repubicans require a service permit fee $$$, and then they complain about the smell in the editorial section of the local newspaper. ;-)

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 10:00:54

WTH? “Unexpected” again!

Sales of new homes sink 7.6 percent in December as industry wraps up weakest year on record.

WASHINGTON (AP) — New home sales unexpectedly fell 7.6 percent last month, capping the industry’s weakest year on record.

December’s sales fell to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 342,000 from an upwardly revised November pace of 370,000, the Commerce Department said Wednesday. Economists surveyed by Thomson Reuters had forecast a pace of 370,000 for December.

The results were the weakest since March and indicated demand remains sluggish despite newly expanded tax incentives to spur sales. The report is likely to fuel concern that the housing market turnaround will falter when government support ends this spring.

Tom Brown, co-owner of Summerville, S.C.-based Crown Home Builders, was not surprised that last month was so poor for the industry as a whole. Buyers are having trouble meeting tough criteria for mortgage loans, he said. And though builders are cutting prices, the shaky economy and weak job market are keeping home shoppers away.

“People are holding on to what they have,” he said.

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-01-27 10:13:26

“Buyers are having trouble meeting tough criteria for mortgage loans, he said.”

I wonder if it has anything to do with all the people who are having trouble meeting tough criteria for mortgage payments.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 10:02:36

Nokia to close Boca Raton facility ~ South Florida Business Journal

Nokia Siemens Networks has notified the state that it plans to lay off 86 employees at its Boca Raton location.

The world’s biggest cell phone maker said the layoffs are effective March 13. It expects layoffs will continue throughout the year.

The facility, at 900 Broken Sound Parkway, will be permanently closed by the end of 2010, the company noted.

It was not immediately clear how many employees work at the facility. Calls to the Boca Raton office were not immediately returned.

Comment by packman
2010-01-27 10:55:26

Wow - I used to work there. It’s been slowly dying for 20 years now. Boca used to be quite a tech haven actually - it’s where the PC was first created by IBM in fact, and also had a huge Kodak facility. That Siemens facility (used to be Siemens Stromberg-Carlson had I believe 3,000 people at one time, in several buildings. IBM had several thousand - mostly relocated to RTP.

Just shows the push (away) that high costs of living have - the same push going on away from California BTW.

Comment by In Montana
2010-01-27 15:00:37

They showed those buildings in Triumph of of the Nerds..

Comment by packman
2010-01-27 19:21:10

LOL - seriously? How apropos.

P.S. “Triumph of the Nerds”??? Not sure I’m familiar with that one, though it rings a bell - one of the many Nerds sequels I presume?

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Comment by packman
2010-01-27 19:23:04

(… I type as I’m here in the basement, with my wireless PC, reading the newspaper, and waiting for some once-every-hour-or-so bizarre noise that keeps happening in my plumbing, so I can figure out what the heck it is.

But I’M NOT A NERD. NOT A NERD. NO.)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-01-27 10:04:55

Those of us who play by the rules, are getting punished (over & over): http://blogs.wsj.com/developments/2010/01/26/bank-of-america-agrees-to-modify-second-mortgages/

Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 10:41:01

“The Treasury Department has not yet issued final guidelines for the program; administration officials say they expect to do so soon”.

WTH?

No matter, it won’t ‘fix’ anything, but at some point the market will. “They” will achieve success however in the screwing it up worse department!

Comment by Kim
2010-01-27 13:09:47

No it won’t fix anything. But it will squeeze a few more payments from the homedebtors. Dangle the promise of a loan modification in front of them and watch the payments keep coming in. When the gig is just about up, present the modification, which may include an interest rate adjustment but all those late fees, etc. will be added to the principal.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 10:28:15

Airlines suffered record drop in traffic in 2009: IATA Jan 27,10

International airlines suffered their biggest decline in traffic since 1945 last year as passenger demand fell 3.5 percent, the International Air Transport Association said Wednesday.

Freight also fell, by 10.1 percent, as “full-year 2009 demand statistics for international scheduled air traffic that showed the industry ending 2009 with the largest ever post-war decline,” IATA said in a statement.

“In terms of demand, 2009 goes into the history books as the worst year the industry has ever seen,” said Giovanni Bisignani, director general of the world’s biggest airlines’ association.

“We have permanently lost 2.5 years of growth in passenger markets and 3.5 years of growth in the freight business,” he added.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-27 10:50:35

Dammit! Where’s that ‘Global Recovery’?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 10:30:47

Stimulus but no jobs. January 27, 2010

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — The $787 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act is supposed to help jump-start the economy and especially put Americans back to work. But the truth is, relatively little of the stimulus spending has directly led to new hiring.

“Most of the thrust has been in trying to prevent jobs from being lost,” said Nigel Gault, Chief U.S. economist for Global Insight. “It probably hasn’t created a lot of new jobs given where the money has gone.”

The money so far has gone mainly for tax breaks and social service programs. Of the $265-billion cost to taxpayers during the Recovery Act’s first 11-months, $100.6-billion (38%) has been injected into entitlement programs, mainly Medicaid, $92.8-billion (35%) for tax benefits, and just $71.5-billion (27%) for contracts, grants and loans.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-27 10:47:48

Without a control group there’s no way to know what might have happened had they not burned the money.

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-01-27 10:35:13

Jan. 27 (Bloomberg) — Treasury one-month bill rates turned negative for the first time in 10 months, as issuance declines while investors seek the most easily-traded securities amid a renewal of risk aversion.

The rate on the four-week security dropped to negative 0.0101 percent, the lowest since it reached negative 0.015 percent on March 26. The Treasury sold $10 billion of four-week bills on Jan. 26 at a rate of zero percent, the second auction of the securities in three weeks at zero percent. Winning bidders will receive no interest on their investment.

“There’s some flight to quality with concern around sovereign risk around the globe, like Greece,” said Anshul Pradhan, an interest-rate strategist in New York at Barclays Plc, one of the 18 primary dealers that are required to bid at Treasury auctions. “Secondly, the bill universe is likely to shrink as the Treasury continues to term out debt, tilting the balance further toward demand.”

Greece’s 10-year bonds fell, pushing the premium investors demand to hold the securities instead of benchmark German bunds to the most since the inception of the euro, on concern the nation’s finances will worsen.

Bill rates turned negative for the first time and note and bond yields reached record lows at the end of 2008 as investors sought refuge in government securities after the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and a freeze in global credit markets. Bill yields turned negative again in March as banks and financial firms sought to bolster their balance sheets at the end of the quarter.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner is seeking to lock in near record-low borrowing costs by lengthening the average due date of the Treasury’s outstanding debt. The Treasury plans to lengthen the average due date to 72 months from a 26-year low of 49 months.

Good luck Timi

Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-01-27 10:41:41

I never understood how rates can turn negative. I mean why bother buying them when you’re better off holding cash. Is this somehow implying they are more secure than cash? I don’t get it. Somebody please enlighten me.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-01-27 10:46:12

But where do you keep the cash? In your mattress? This of course assumes that bank will pay depositors negative rates as well.

Now if I could only get a CC with a negative interest rate!

 
Comment by yensoy
2010-01-27 11:56:25

Try parking ten million dollars in cash and you will understand.

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-01-27 11:52:40

“Flight to quality” my a@@. If that’s true then why aren’t equities plummeting?

No - treasuries are extraordinarily expensive now for one reason - some one (or some thing) is buying tons of them under the table, to keep yields low, for the purpose of keeping people away from them and into the stock market - to keep stocks artificially inflated.

That’s my take anyhow.

Comment by james
2010-01-27 16:32:59

Perhaps this is where insiders are stashing all the $ while running on the credit cards on stock buybacks while unloading shares?

Maybe they are looking at the CRE and ALT-A along with public resistance to TARP2 and taking shelter. Figure the derivatives blow up might be a problem as well.

I get the feeling that something big is in the near future BUT not seeing it in LIBOR or TED yet.

Course wmbz has the big correction post below.

Might be the big money bonus guys are find shelter before hell breaks loose and one of the TBTF takes a dive.

 
Comment by measton
2010-01-27 19:41:43

This goes to the quote often attributed to Thomas Jefferson

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered

The banking Wall Street elite now have all the money, their crappy MBS/CDO’s etc. have been purchased by the gov. So if the FED and gov are controlled by banking/wall street elite then the next step would be massive deflation so that those with cash can start acquiring a larger percentage of our property resources and productivity. I read an article the other day suggesting that GS is likely to go private to avoid the spot light and public disclosure. If so you can be sure that their stock is about to plummet again.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 22:57:22

Last time this happened, didn’t Wall Street crash spectacularly?

I know it’s different this time and all…

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 10:36:46

Don’t Worry — Yet: “Very Big Correction” Coming Later This Year, Charles Nenner Says ~~ Jan 27, 2010 Investing, Emerging Markets.

Wall Street can quit worrying about a stock market correction…for now. Market forecaster Charles Nenner, who called the crash of 2008, says the recent pullback in U.S. stocks is not “what they call the big one.”

According to a combination of technical models and cycles he follows, Nenner concludes the S&P 500 will continue to trade in a tight range for at least the first half of the year.

“Chances are that we’ll see a very big correction” in September or October, the former Goldman Sachs market timer tells Aaron in this accompanying clip, suggesting investors will get spooked by higher interest rates, spurned by a stronger-than-expected economic recovery.

It’s a different story when it comes to emerging markets and China. Nenner thinks the recent correction in Chinese markets is for real. He predicts the U.S. will outperform emerging markets as China’s government works to cool the economy and tighten liquidity.

Comment by cactus
2010-01-27 11:33:29

The droves of retail investors who’ve recently fled to the safety of bonds are setting themselves up for “big trouble,” according to market timer Charles Nenner. He predicts the recent rally in bond prices is only temporary and will soon reverse in a major way. Echoing statements he made here in October, Nenner firmly believes “for next 30 years rates will only go up” so get out while you still can.

So what should you invest in?

Nenner admits there aren’t many good choices for a long term investor right now.

– Gold: He warns those concerned about inflation are premature so don’t “get too enthusiastic about gold.” According to his research, gold will put in an important long-term high in the next few weeks. Looking a few years out, gold may once again rally to new highs but investors could get burned in the meantime.

– Dollar: Cash is king if your main concern is capital preservation. Nenner, contrary to the consensus, thinks the dollar is on the rise having “already put in an important low.”

— The Vampire Squid: Shares of Goldman Sachs have fallen more than 20% from their recent 52-week high and Nenner believes more short-term weakness is likely. But his cycle work suggests the stock if his former employer will put in an important low in the first week of February.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 11:04:52

I watched a part of Richard E. Nixon’s first one, same for Jimma Carter. One whole one by R. Reagan, and since that time I have passed on watching the show. Barrys writers best have their act together with the right talking points,to try and(as politicians do)continue pulling the wool over the populaces eyes. If he refers to himself too much or keeps laying blame elsewhere, it will bomb. The MSM will give him an A+ no matter what though.

Obama’s State of the Union aims to get economy and presidency on surer footing ~ Wednesday January 27,

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama will devote most of his first State of the Union address on Wednesday to fixing an economy that has sapped the nation’s spirits and eroded his standing, with calls for tax cuts for small businesses and more restraint from a government that keeps piling up debt.

Obama will start on the economy and spend about two-thirds of his prime-time speech on that topic, the one most on the minds of Americans. His goal is to show a dissatisfied nation in plainspoken and specific terms that he understands their frustration and their struggles, and that his vast agenda is in touch with what they need.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 16:43:36

So, you don’t watch Presidential State of the Union addresses (especially from Non-Hawaiian’s with African Fatherhood) & “You haven’t spent one red dime on Christmas presents in 15 years” and that is suppose to “endear” us HBB readers to you for the simple reason that…?

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-01-28 01:51:40

Please, that’s Richard Milhouse Nixon.

[I'm a glutton for punishment - I ran the UC Santa Cruz students for Dick Nixon back in 1972.]

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 11:07:07

Chinese legal experts call for ban on eating cats and dogs.

Widespread and ancient practice of eating dog meat increasingly distasteful for China’s growing affluent, pet-loving middle class.

Chinese legal experts are proposing a ban on eating dogs and cats in a contentious move to end a culinary tradition dating back thousands of years.

The recommendation will be submitted to higher authorities in April as part of a draft bill to tackle animal abuse.

In ancient times, dog meat was considered a medicinal tonic. Today, it is commonly available throughout the country, but particularly in the north where dog stew is popular for its supposed warming qualities.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 12:32:37

And it tastes like chicken.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 16:38:38

And you posted this why wmbz, I mean ,what is YOUR intrigue with this “information” that you feel compelled to share here on Ben’s HBB?

Please xplain.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 11:44:40

Found! The stunning mountain that inspired Avatar’s ‘floating peaks’
Mail Foreign Service ~ 27th January 2010

Its soaring steeple of rock topped by a small oasis of trees looks straight out of the 3D blockbuster Avatar.

But this is no special effects illusion, it’s a real-life tower of quartz-sandstone deep in the rugged mountain terrain of southern Hunan in China.

The 3,544ft Southern Sky Column is one of 3,000 in the Zhangjiajie National Forest Park and became the inspiration for the magical ‘floating peaks’ in James Cameron’s film after a Hollywood photographer spent time shooting there in 2008.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1246457/China-renames-mountain-Avatar-movie-Avatar-Hallelujah-Mountain.html#ixzz0dq7orVCA

Comment by ahansen
2010-01-27 23:16:05

Visited here with my extended family a few years ago. One of the most breathtaking places on the planet– a true Shangri La. Imagine a hundred Yosemites with no people. And the Himalayas as a backdrop….

 
 
Comment by Terry
2010-01-27 11:54:21

Its time to initiate the largest undertaking of infrastructure building projects ever seen.
On all four coasts and the plains of the middle west, new wind generating stations are to be built, with enough power making capacity, to power a world class light rail system from east to west, north to south.
Old rail coridors are going to be retaken and a system of light rail will be built, far exceeding any highway system we now have in the United States.
Imagine, traveling from milwaukee to Chicago in 35 minutes. From Minneapolis to Davenport Iowa, in an hour.
Sub systems will be built within the suburban 30 mile range of all cities, with non stop rail transportation to city centers. All major expressways will be torn down and in place, will be light rail.
Auto service, will only be allowed on secondary hiways and in local enviroments.
This project will accomplish all the climate goals and energy conservation for the next one hundred years.
All materials for this project will be required to made in America. From the steel, to the engines, to the technology…mandatory made in America.
The project estimates to initially employ in the range of 500,00 skilled and semi-skilled workers.
New steel rolling mills will be built. Electric engines must be built, along with bridges, overpasses and stations. All rail systems will be operated by private enterprise, with pric controls in place for 50 years.
Americans will again retake their manifest destiny. In the long run, millions will be put back to work.
The need for foreign oil will evaporate. Americans will be able to travel by land anywhere in this country and fast.
Airlines will be madatorily slimmed down, to be used only for foreign travel.
With each wind generating station built, the rail expands further on power available.
This will be a monster project, involving millions of Americans and the way they travel in the future.
Nuclear power plants and coal fired plants will be regulated to commercial and home uses only.
Las vegas, will loose 50% of its power, under the new plan. No more wasted casino billboards.
Want to go to new York, from Chicago, hop a train and youll be there faster than flying.
This is my state of the union speech. AND, were going to pay for this with a $1.00 dollar a gallon gas tax, along with closing out maintenance on all federal highways. Trucking will be mandatory on specified truck roads only.. All interstate trucking will be banned from city deliveries. Local trucking will be the mode for delivery.
Automobiles will be banned from city centers.
Suburban commuting by rail will be mandatory.

Rest stops and gas stations will be banned from federal highways.
We can, we will, and we must!

Comment by yensoy
2010-01-27 11:59:05

What you’ve described (or dreamed up) largely sounds like China.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-01-27 12:19:51

Now that’s something to hope for! I’m not being snarky either, IMHO you’ve described something worth fighting for, and believe me, there’s not much I would fight for.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 12:31:31

Then you woke up……..

Maybe Hitler could get a Utopian plan implemented. In the USA? You’re dreaming.

Besides, who the hell want to go from Minneapolis to Davenport, Iowa?

Comment by james
2010-01-27 17:06:16

I’m just repeating this again. For cutting the trade deficit and hopefully an improvement to the economy and quality of life. I’d like to see a light rail improvements here in LA. I believe we could build along the 405 south of LAX to the costal line near costa mesa. Add another couple cross town interconnects and a little bit up north across the Sepulveda path.

Now that has a good shot of generation of revenue, decreased traffic and associated problems on the major LA interstates, lowering polution and efficiency increases for business.

The longer trip stuff… not so much. Also like to see car carrier type service increased and made more practical. Heck, people in other states take a ferry to get from Delaware to Cape May NJ. Not sure why we can’t persue this kind of stuff.

Only a few places where a high speed line might be practical or desirable. LA to Vegas or San Diego to Vegas. Doesn’t need to start at downtown either. Could easily start in something like Mirmar up to Riverside area then on the Vegas. Mostly pretty wide open desert areas. There are already trains to sacramento but they suck.

Comment by ahansen
2010-01-27 23:18:52

Personally would LOVE a HSR between SF and SD. Right along I-5. Amtrak through the Central Valley at present is a joke. Half the route is busses, 3/4 of the passengers are Mexican. Getting to Sacramento from Bakerspatch is a seven-hour ordeal.

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Comment by Kim
2010-01-27 12:59:06

Its a nice vision, but it won’t happen as long as the government owns the majority stake of GM.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 14:26:59

Or US citizens are allowed to have a choice.

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 19:09:06

Buzzzzz.. wrong.

Among other problems, wind is unreliable.
——-

We know how to warm the earth, right? So, lets double our efforts to warm it up, and then use Sterling engines in cars and trains, etc..

Those engines will extract global heat, converting it into kinetic energy (propel the vehicles) and thereby cool off the global warming..

We can adjust global warming to match the worldwide transportation network’s’ cooling capacity, thus maintaining a constant environmental temperature of our choosing.

Comeon people..Do i have to think of everything?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 12:20:34

I am seeing more stories like this as Medicaid reduces reimbursements.

Local Nursing Home May Close. ABC ~ Southern Illinois

HAMILTON COUNTY- A local nursing home faces serious financial problems. Administrators say the facility may have to close.

The Hamilton Memorial Nursing Center in McLeansboro says the facility is losing $40,000 a month because of low state medicaid reimbursements.

The center employs 50 people and another 50 call it home; but administrators aren’t sure how much longer it will be able to stay open.

“We wouldn’t have this financial situation if the state would be paying the money they’re supposed to be paying,” says CEO Randy Dauby.

Dauby says three quarters of patients at Hamilton Memorial Nursing Center are on Medicaid. He says it costs more money to take care for those patients than the state provides.

In fact in a state-by-state comparison, Illinois pays so little it costs nursing homes more than $20 a day out of pocket for each medicaid patient.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 16:30:56

“I am seeing more stories like this as Medicaid reduces reimbursements”

And it motivates you do what exactly wmbz?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 12:32:02

Be sure and play this if you watch the show tonight.

HuffPost Comedy’s State Of The Union Drinking Game 2010.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/26/state-of-the-union-drinki_n_436932.html

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 12:36:50

Lynch to little TTT…

Rep. Stephen F. Lynch (D-MA): “It makes me doubt your commitment to the American people.”

SEN. SPECTER: “I Don’t Appreciate The Congressman Shouting At The Secretary”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 14:13:18

wmbz, nice likage, as usual! ;-)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 13:18:19

Earth Becoming Invisible to Aliens
by Martin Evans

Chances of earth being detected by alien life forms are disappearing because of the digital revolution, a leading space scientist has claimed.

Dr Frank Drake said the phasing out of analogue transmissions from television, radio and radar was making our planet electronically invisible from outer space.

While old style signals used to spread out millions of miles into outer space, even reaching some distant stars, digital transmissions are much weaker and therefore are less easy to detect by extra-terrestrial life forms.

Scientists on earth are constantly monitoring the heavens for any sign of transmissions from other planets and it is assumed other life forms out there will be doing the same.

But Dr Drake, who founded the US based organisation Search for Extra-terrestrial Intelligence (SETI), 50-years ago, said the phasing out of analogue transmissions was making this virtually impossible.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 14:09:20

Maybe aliens are invisible, because they went digital before we did.

Comment by packman
2010-01-27 14:18:43

Exactly.

Is Drake proposing that our switch to digital is somehow causing the aliens to switch to digital?

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 14:12:12

Marvin the Martian: “Oh, you have made very very angry indeed. Take me to your leader!”

Bugs: “eh wmbz, what’s your’s or Haskell’s address again?” ;-)

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 14:24:00

Anyone ever notice that aliens only probe the rectums of trailer park residents? At least they are the only people reporting it. (Not that there’s anything wrong with being the resident of a trailer park).

Must be because a homeowner or 401K owner would never notice an anal probe…….having been the recipient of multiple Joshua Trees.

Sounds like I need to apply for a government grant, to research this phenomenom.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 16:28:51

“…Must be because a homeowner or 401K owner would never notice an anal probe”

Tankxs for smile today :)

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 14:15:49

…and it is assumed other life forms out there will be doing the same…

really.. some of our best scientific minds expect ET’s technical abilities and limitations are similar to ours?

Although our crude RF signals are being phased out, it wouldn’t surprise me if the human ego were detectable across the universe.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 16:24:48

“…it wouldn’t surprise me if the human ego were detectable across the universe.”

Joey, that’s the most astute thing you’ve ever posted, I hope Haskell reads it. ;-)

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-28 00:44:41

Perhaps he already has.

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Comment by ahansen
2010-01-27 23:22:31

:)

 
 
 
Comment by Ria Rhodes
2010-01-27 13:33:44

Here’s some fiction:

The ex-head honcho of the most powerful nation on earth stands smirking before a big sign that reads “A House for Everyone” while being coerced by powerful interest groups for their further enrichment, oblivious to the very policies that accelerate the dismantling of the dispirited middle-classes into two legions divided by their petty bickering whilst the principle larcenists refine their redistribution’s of government deficit dollars into the coffers of their business concerns, and reward their best con men with outlandish bonus’s at taxpayer expense to the detriment of those same bickering masses and their offspring who’ll foot the bill of deceit until their kids follow suit. Where’s that new issue of the Robb Report Senator? I kind of see the latest McIntosh gear in my summer house on the Cape, you too my dear CEO friends?

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-01-27 13:36:48

Suspending Money Market Redemptions Is Now Legal; SEC Approves New Money Market Regulation In 4-1 Vote

http://www.zerohedge.com/print/63493

Comment by measton
2010-01-27 19:50:33

They can already do this with banks.

I suppose the next step is to not allow redemptions on treasuries or stocks.

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-01-27 13:37:52

Does anyone know why palmy hasn’t been posting?

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 13:44:26

Zeledyne glass plant in Tulsa laying off 210
Tulsa World ~ 1/27/2010

Zeledyne LLC has issued layoff notices to 210 people and notified employees that it plans to close its glass-producing operation in southeast Tulsa.

United Auto Workers local union president Fred Dorrell said employees received notices Wednesday morning informing them that Zeledyne plans to shut down its second “float line,” the part of the factory that makes glass.

“All we want to do is do our job and support our families,” Dorrell said.

The layoffs will be effective March 28, according to the company notice.

The plant has about 460 hourly workers, Dorrell said. The remainder of the employees work in a glass-cutting operation and administration.

The plant was owned by Ford Motor Co. and went by the Ford Glass name until Zeledyne acquired it 20 months ago. It makes glass for Ford as well as architectural applications such as high-rise buildings.

Zeledyne shut down the other float line a year ago, citing a weak economy and declines in the construction industry.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 13:52:43

Paulson: 25% unemployment rate without AIG bailout.

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) - Facing criticism on Capitol Hill, former Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson on Wednesday defended his decision to complete a $182 billion bailout of American International Group Inc., arguing that the unemployment rate would have risen easily to 25% without the bailout. “If the system had collapsed millions more in savings would have been lost,” said Paulson, who was Treasury Secretary at the time of the bailout, at a hearing.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 14:07:36

Dude, it’s close to 20% now…….if you track it the way they used to, before everyone found it profitable to massage the numbers.

A systemic collapse would have had the virtue of spreading the pain equally.

Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 14:15:34

“A systemic collapse would have had the virtue of spreading the pain equally”.

Yep!

But the banksters couldn’t have reaped the huge “for free” pay offs, had the band aid been ripped off. So we keep on with the slow bleed and await super dip two.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 14:28:59

What’s with this spreading the pain equally?
Is it unfair when, in a train wreck or other disaster, some lucky people walk away completely unscathed?

As one of the fortunate escapees, I have no intention of suffering my “fair share” of economic pain.. and I don’t want people trying to force it on me. But thanks for the offer.

Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 14:50:41

“As one of the fortunate escapees, I have no intention of suffering my “fair share” of economic pain”..

You may have no intention, but since states can’t print money they will extract your “fair” share through higher and higher taxes.

Plus the point was about not rewarding the folks that caused the financial upheaval, with unfettered taxpayer backed funds.

The system should have been flushed from the get go, it’s backing up now. The next dump is heading our way, one way or the other there is more ‘pain’ on the way if one views it that way. I don’t.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 15:39:18

rewarded with unfettered taxpayer backed funds..

Please explain that to me. Has some failing institution received a gift of free money? What form was it in.. cash under the table?

 
Comment by measton
2010-01-27 19:54:55

Yes GS was paid 100 cents on the dollar for it’s contracts with AIG a company that was bankrupt and without the bailout would have paid them NOTHING. Which is exactly what they deserved.

Yes, in case you haven’t noticed the GSE’s have been taking a lot of bad debt off of Wall STreet’s hands and bailing out their CDS.

They should have let AIG fail, and then used the money to lend via the most well managed banks.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 15:44:58

So, as long as it’s not affecting you personally, you’re okay with the Robber Baron culture?

We’re all going to pay out the nose for this Charlie-Foxtrot, one way or the other. All in an effort to bail out Wall Street, and morons who can’t do math.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 18:35:36

Are you ok with a “Share the Misery” culture? How about a “Share the Wealth” culture? They are, after all, the same thing.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-01-27 19:37:31

I just hope someday to see a “share the justice” culture.

 
 
 
 
Comment by packman
2010-01-27 14:17:02

OK - assuming he’s right - exactly what fundamental changes are we making to the system to prevent such a huge impact of a single financial entity failing?

I don’t see any.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 14:50:00

we’re not making any changes.. yet.
I think the plan is to run the bilge pumps full blast and stuff rags in the holes in the hull, while everyone rows like hell towards the nearest shore.
Redesigning the ship is slated for sometime after that.

Comment by packman
2010-01-27 19:26:05

We’re better off lettin’ ‘er sink and just building a new ship.

Seriously.

(However - that being said - I’m sure we’ll screw that one up too.)

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 14:02:21

Deep thoughts from X-GSfixr’s world……

-Deficit spending doesn’t matter. Sorta like the NFL Salary Cap. Ever noticed how the salary cap is never a problem, if the owner REALLY WANTS the player?

The only time it applies is when the owner is negotiating a contract with a player/employee the team owner thinks is replaceable.

-The scenario:
1) Wall Street burns up 2-3 Trillion dollars on overpriced houses……..money just disappears, only thing to show for it is too many houses, and 10-figure balances in their savings/checking accounts.

2) The Fed prints 2-3 trillion to replace the burned up money, and gives it to Wall Street.

3) Wall Street eventually makes this money disappear, by charging each other selling securities back and forth to each other.

Question:
How is this inflationary to J6P?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 14:34:39

4) Incipient inflation created by helicopter drops of liquidity on Wall Street is laundered into asset price increases. Assets can later be sold and used to meet the holder’s every material need, and then some.

5) This will not impact inflation until some unknown future time (maybe never), when the standard “no one could have seen it coming” defense can be trotted out.

6) The “never” scenario applies if the redistributive effect of dumping helicopter loads of liquidity on Wall Street and letting it trickle down to Main Street destroys Main Street household consumption possibilities at exactly the rate Wall Street insiders’ budget constraints expand.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 18:35:51

Okay…..got it. :)

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 19:22:09

Fed monetary policy = the road from 20th century prosperity back to serfdom.

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Comment by measton
2010-01-27 19:57:03

BINGO

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 14:09:42

Mafia digs in as Italy’s biggest ‘company’ *Mob thrives on credit crunch, unemployment *May target bourse to launder profits.

ROME, Jan 27 (Reuters) - Italy’s mafia crime syndicates bucked the recession in 2009 to raise ‘profits’ by almost 8 percent with the financial crisis making companies and even the stock market even more vulnerable to cash-flush mobsters.

“Mafia Inc. is reinforcing its position as the number one Italian company,” said a report published on Wednesday by a body whose members bear the brunt of mafia extortion and crimes, the small business and shopkeepers’ association Confesercenti.

It estimated that the impact on business equalled about 7 percent of Italy’s economic output, enjoying healthy growth in a year when the Italian economy shrank by almost 5 percent.

Experts had predicted when the crisis began that Calabria’s ‘Ndrangheta, with its huge slice of the global drugs trade, Sicily’s Cosa Nostra, Naples’ violent Camorra and Puglia’s Sacra Corona Unita would see more demand for loan-sharking.

But the report said mobsters had also been able to launder their earnings by buying up cheap assets and had found a cheap and willing workforce among the newly unemployed.

“In times of crisis the Mafia’s money, even though it is dirty, makes people’s mouth water,” the report says.

 
Comment by Ria Rhodes
2010-01-27 14:13:57

The old: “In God we Trust”

The new: “In China we must”

The old: “Let them eat cake”

The new: “Let them drop fries”

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 14:15:49

More “green shoots” news………

The trophy wife of my (former) employers CEO just got a new seven series BMW, to replace her two year old Acura SUV. I’m sure the 2-300 employees that were laid off in 2009 will be glad to hear that the recession is over.

Comment by cougar91
2010-01-27 14:24:48

You keep tab on the wife of your ex-CEO????

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-01-27 15:29:33

No……was told this by someone who does.
(I live in a mid sized city, with a small-town mentality……you know, the kind where everyone in town is related to each other….or would like to be).

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 15:17:07

Their bottom line may be up due to job cutting, and her bottom wanted a new ride, with the new found wealth.

So that’s good for the Bimmer dealer, salesmen, and manufacture.

 
 
Comment by cactus
2010-01-27 14:33:37

Jan. 27 (Bloomberg) — The Federal Reserve restated its intention to cease buying $1.25 trillion of mortgage-backed securities in March and maintained its pledge to keep interest rates near zero for an “extended period,” opening a rift among policy makers for the first time in a year.

Kansas City Fed President Thomas Hoenig dissented, saying the time had come to change the promise to keep rates low. The economy “has continued to strengthen,” the Fed said in a statement today in Washington, “although the pace of economic recovery is likely to be moderate for a time.”

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 14:41:19

Time Warner Cable plans 350 metro-Denver job cuts.
Denver Business Journal

Time Warner Cable is eliminating hundreds of jobs from its national network management center in the south Denver metro area as part of a national realignment.

The cuts affect employees a network operations site in unincorporated Douglas County and a call center in Centennial. Employees were told Tuesday.

The New York City-based company, the second-largest cable operator in the U.S., is restructuring its management of national network operations and consolidating some of those functions out of Colorado, Gordon said.

“In total, we notified 350 people,” said Jim Gordon, a company spokesman. “In 90 days, we’ll begin winding down those services.”

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-01-27 15:55:46

I was reading your Verizon post from yesterday. When they do the phone side layoffs I don’t like hearing about people losing jobs but I kind of feel that whole side is being slowly wound down. More ominous was a comment on the 2nd page of that article which noted the wireless side only got about 1/2 the subscriptions they’d projected for their new video technology.

Utility like companies that don’t expect contraction are beginning to see the light. The whole customers w/income vs. cost of livng issues thing affects -gulp- even them.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 17:59:49

“…The whole customers w/income vs. cost of livng issues thing affects -gulp- even them.”

How’s about $260.00 Oakley sunglasses?

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 16:21:15

Hey wmbz,

Before you showed up there was a wonderful fella named Hoz, do all of us @ the HBB a favor, compress the job losses to single line entry and then post.

Tankxs in advance, Hwy

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-01-27 15:11:53

That iPad sure looks huge.. 9 inch screen but it’s gotta be 13 inches square? MAybe it’s the way Jobs is holding it..
$500.
$630 if you want 3G.. and evidently an AT+T plan is mandatory on top of that. Then there’s the proprietary formats… sigh..

While it might compete with that POS Kindle, it won’t get me away from audio books on my little mp3 player.

Why doesn’t someone come up with a practical, affordable, high res wifi video goggle. I’d consider buying that.. and stick a TV tuner in there while you’re at it.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-01-27 15:13:42

Nicolas Cage is Leaving Las Vegas after $8.5m mansion sells for nearly half the price he paid for it. Daily Mail Reporter ~ 27th January 2010

A Las Vegas mansion bought by actor Nicolas Cage for $8.5million has been sold for nearly half the price.

The 4,300-sq.-ft, six-bedroom home was foreclosed by the bank recently after Cage ran up a $6.3million tax bill.

A mystery buyer put down $4.95million for the Spanish Hills home after less than a day on the market.

The lavish home, which Cage bought in 2006 before the property crash, included a 16 car subterranean garage, a private cinema and stunning views of the Las Vegas strip.

Estate agent Ken Lowman, who sold the house on behalf of the bank who foreclosed the property, said he believed Cage had bought it as an investment.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 17:57:33

“…included a 16 car subterranean garage”

So, who’s the buyer? Conan or Jay? ;-)

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-01-27 20:16:25

stunning views of the Las Vegas strip

The LV strip is little more than a series of tall concrete buildings.

At least a place in Boise has a view of a hundred mile front of the Rocky Mountains.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 21:34:38

That guy should stick to acting and leave the real estate flipping to the professionals.

 
 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-01-27 17:55:47

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/davos/6990433/Significant-chance-of-second-financial-crisis-warns-World-Economic-Forum.html

‘Significant chance’ of second financial crisis, warns World Economic Forum

There is now more than a one-in-five chance of another asset price bubble implosion costing the world more than £1 trillion, and similar odds of a full-scale sovereign fiscal crisis, a key report warned.

Comment by measton
2010-01-27 20:01:01

This might go along with the new SEC rule allowing them to keep people from removing money from their money market funds.

 
 
Comment by Reuven
2010-01-27 19:39:30

They’re soliciting questions for the Pres. on the Internet. The top-rated ones will be answered by him. Let’s get a good housing-bubble question in front of him. Here’s mine

http://bit.ly/bPveql

Vote it up, or suggest your own, and I’ll vote it up!

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 19:54:11

Prove to me & the young repubican’s (who’ve injested their father’s viagra) that your college educated mother was from Kansas & you really were born in Hawaii! ;-)

 
Comment by packman
2010-01-27 20:09:45

There seems to be a bug with that link. It keeps saying I need to sign in to vote, even though I’m already signed in.

 
Comment by JDinCT
2010-01-28 19:31:07

sorry “had to vote for a why don’t you legalize marijuana?” question

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-01-27 20:07:53

Jan. 28 (Bloomberg) — Japan’s retail sales unexpectedly fell for a 16th month in December as dwindling paychecks and deteriorating job prospects weighed on consumers in the world’s second-largest economy.

Sales slid 0.3 percent from a year earlier, the Trade Ministry said today in Tokyo. The median estimate of 12 economists surveyed by Bloomberg News was for a 0.3 percent gain.

The benefits of the nation’s export-led recovery haven’t spurred hiring or paychecks for the nation’s households, hurting companies including Right On Co. Today’s report indicates the stimulus from emergency government spending that helped pull the nation out of a recession is starting to fade,

After a trend of 16 months how can a fall be called unexpected?

Comment by packman
2010-01-27 20:13:16

That’d be our future. See mention above about the FDIC move to allow banks to put off claiming losses on their non-performing assets. That interview with Andy Miller contains this ditty:

(Interviewer:)
Just to be clear on this, let’s say I own an apartment building and I’ve been making my payments, but I’m having trouble and the value of the property has fallen by half. I go to the bank and say, “Look, I’ve got a problem,” and the bank says, “Okay, let’s work something out, and instead of you paying $10,000 a month, you pay us $5,000 a month and we’ll shake hands and smile.” Then, even though the property’s value has dropped, as long as we keep smiling and I’m still making payments, then the bank won’t have to reserve anything against the risk that I’ll give the building back and it will be worth a whole lot less than the mortgage.

MILLER: I think what you just described is accurate. And it’s exactly a Japanese-style solution. This is what Japan did in ‘89 and ‘90 because they didn’t want their banking system to implode, so they made it easier for their banks to sit on bad assets without owning up to the losses.

And what’s the result? Well, it leaves the status quo in place. The real problem with this is twofold. One is that it prolongs the problem – if a bank is allowed to sit on bad assets for three to five years, it’s not going to sell them.

Why is that bad? Well, the money tied up in the loans the bank is sitting on is idle. It is not being used for anything productive.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-01-27 20:31:11

“The benefits of the nation’s export-led recovery…”

They’re an export-led economy having consumer problems, we’re a consumer-led economy having consumer problems.

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-01-27 20:11:22

Despite their tough talk about clamping down on pay, banks and securities firms are using other financial perks to ease the toll on employees.

Bank of America Corp. and Citigroup Inc. are doling out shares that employees can sell within months—much sooner than normally allowed. Other giant banks, including Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Royal Bank of Scotland Group PLC, let certain employees borrow money to relieve personal cash crunches. And some U.K. banks have considered raising base, or cash salaries—funds that won’t be subject to the country’s new 50% tax on bonuses.

Such moves are a contrast to concessions recently made by large financial firms in hopes of defusing public anger, and political retaliation, over the comeback of sky-high compensation. Many banks and securities firms are paying bonuses with a bigger percentage of stock. Goldman, for example, sharply reined in pay and benefits during the fourth quarter. This week, the firm told partners that 60% of their 2009 bonuses will be in the form of restricted stock.

The new pay culture is squeezing bankers with hefty mortgage payments and private-school tuition bills—and has prompted some companies to find ways to assist cash-squeezed employees.

Ha !
the poor bankers can’t afford their hefty mortages and private schooling Please.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 21:38:05

Did I correctly understand the POTUS to say he was going to make sure home prices keep going up?

Predicted results of further housing price support:

- Renters are screwed a bit more (but it’s all good, because the majority of householders (aka voters) are homeowners)

- New entrants to the housing market are priced out

- Homeowners of record are priced in forever

- Banks get to unload toxic MBS at inflated values

- Realtors get to sell fewer homes than they would be able to if
prices reverted to fundamental affordabilty

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 21:53:04

Does this story have any significance whatever?

HUD secretary stays home from Obama speech
The Associated Press
Wednesday, January 27, 2010; 9:08 PM

WASHINGTON — One member of President Barack Obama’s Cabinet has been picked to watch his State of the Union address on television.

Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan has been tapped to stay away from the speech in case a calamity were to strike the Capitol.

The White House typically selects one member of the Cabinet to remain in a safe place and skip attending the event that draws the Cabinet, top White House officials, Congress and the Supreme Court.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 23:22:03

“The White House typically selects one member of the Cabinet to remain in a safe place and skip attending the event..”

Upon entering the safe place, Shaun commented: “I smell Cheney’s scent” :-)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 21:57:46

Jan. 27, 2010
Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

Obama’s housing marks slipping

More in survey give president ‘D’ or ‘F’ grade than ‘A’ or ‘B’

By HUBBLE SMITH
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL

President Barack Obama’s first-year grades have dropped significantly in the subject of the U.S. housing market, a survey by California-based Trulia dot com showed Tuesday.

The president has not lived up to his promise to stabilize the housing market, Trulia Chief Executive Officer Pete Flint said in a conference call.

Obama received an “A” or “B” from 37 percent of respondents to the January survey conducted by Harris Interactive, compared with 54 percent in February 2009. Thirty-eight percent gave him a “D” or “F.”

“Housing obviously touches many facets of the economy,” Flint said. “Homes continue to lose value, and we’re on pace for record foreclosures in 2010. President Obama has fallen short on bringing stability to the housing market in his first year in office.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 22:02:52

After acknowledging the housing bubble’s role in creating the boiling pot of stew in which the U.S. economy resides, he went on to suggest home price reflation is part of the recovery plan. I guess hair-of-the-dog hangover cures remain a popular remedy with the Obamanomics Dream Team members. I suppose the path back to prosperity could also be built on a housing bubble and financial speculation?

Politics and commentary, coast to coast, from the Los Angeles Times

Obama’s State of the Union address:
The narrative of the past and future
January 27, 2010 | 6:35 pm

The president tried to climb out of that rut by first looking backward, and Janus-like, then looking forward.

After explaining his efforts to create jobs, Obama added that even with the best of work, it won’t be enough.

“These steps still won’t make up for the 7 million jobs we’ve lost over the last two years,” Obama said.

“We cannot afford another so-called economic ‘expansion’ like the one from last decade — what some call the ‘lost decade’ — where jobs grew more slowly than during any prior expansion; where the income of the average American household declined while the cost of healthcare and tuition reached record highs; where prosperity was built on a housing bubble and financial speculation.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-01-27 23:09:59

“These steps still won’t make up for the 7 million jobs we’ve lost over the last two years,” Obama said.

“We cannot afford another so-called economic ‘expansion’ like the one from last decade — what some call the ‘lost decade’ — where jobs grew more slowly than during any prior expansion; where the income of the average American household declined while the cost of healthcare and tuition reached record highs; where prosperity was built on a housing bubble and financial speculation.”

Hey, really this is all the “Non-Hawaiian’s” doing, I can’t wait until it’s all xplained tomorrow. Who do you think will post the clear path to prosperity in America? How many post’s will be required to xplain the “TruePath”? Well, it’s 59-41 representing “The People”…I hope the 59 remember how the 41 struggled to accomplish the elected representatives “People’s work”
…like when Cheney was the 51st Vote :-)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 23:22:57

I guess the Obamanomics Team has some how determined that all “middle class” households are homeowner households. Is this housing price reflation announcement intended as a signal to underwater loanowners to not walk away, because Help Is On the Way, in the form of a reflation of the housing bubble?

State of the Union Speech Text

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: January 28, 2010

Filed at 12:40 a.m. ET

Now, the price of college tuition is just one of the burdens facing the middle class. That’s why last year I asked Vice President Biden to chair a task force on middle class families. That’s why we’re nearly doubling the child care tax credit, and making it easier to save for retirement by giving every worker access to a retirement account and expanding the tax credit for those who start a nest egg. That’s why we’re working to lift the value of a family’s single largest investment — their home. The steps we took last year to shore up the housing market have allowed millions of Americans to take out new loans and save an average of $1,500 on mortgage payments. This year, we will step up refinancing so that homeowners can move into more affordable mortgages. And it is precisely to relieve the burden on middle-class families that we still need health insurance reform.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-27 22:09:46

Can Government Fix The Struggling Housing Market?

January 27, 2010

President Obama is expected to talk about jobs in Wednesday’s State of the Union address, but should his administration be doing more for the housing market? William Wheaton, professor of economics and urban studies and planning at the MIT Center for Real Estate, says there’s little the government can do to fix the housing sector.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-01-28 01:25:25

Writing books about the causes of the financial crisis is on the verge of becoming a new industry sector unto itself.

David Callaway

Jan. 28, 2010, 12:01 a.m. EST

Who’s really to blame for the global crisis?
Commentary: ‘Complicit’ points finger beyond Wall Street

By David Callaway, MarketWatch

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — The short list of who’s to blame for the global financial crisis grows longer with each Congressional hearing, as the collective fear that gripped the financial markets a year ago slowly yields to a natural desire in society to find a scapegoat to pin it on.

Alan Greenspan, Ben Bernanke, Henry Paulson, Timothy Geithner, Dick Fuld and Lloyd Blankfein have all come under fire for stoking the financial bubble that burst in late 2007 from Wall Street to London and Riyadh to Reykjavik. Like Enron’s Ken Lay and Wall Street’s Ivan Boesky before them, they are convenient, flesh-and-blood targets for baying politicians and people to blame for a series of unprecedented events that nobody — least of all them — can still completely explain.

A new book out next month seeks to lend some much-needed perspective to the crisis, and place it in the proper historical context of generational outbursts of collective madness, such as the Dutch tulip craze in the 17th century, or our own Internet stock frenzy a decade ago. “Complicit: How Greed and Collusion Made the Credit Crisis Unstoppable,” by Mark Gilbert, comes out on Feb. 10.

 
Comment by JDinCT
2010-01-28 10:22:45

Equities looking to break critical support!!!

 
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