Bits Bucket For February 12, 2010
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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So Blue, did you do the deal or what? Party at Blue’s house!!
Hi Muggy.
No. My landlord raised the price when I made an offer instead of negotiating down. A couple of days later he suggested some cash on the side (off the books), reduced the proposed boundaries and raised the price again. My back is on the thing. He has put the house I’m living in up for sale, so I am out looking around but not too hard. His greediness will make selling the house improbable.
There were so many for sale signs up along the lake road last fall it looked like election year. We’ll see how the “not-selling” season unfolds this spring. It’s not long now I will be living on the boat again and not worrying about terra firma. Many options are open after the season, not the least of which is lovely Valentine and her four poster bed. It’s great to be a renter!
Have a great Valentine’s all!
Unbelievable mortgage video.
http://twurl.nl/dip4aw
This will make your blood boil.
What a dick.
Sorry for the potty mouth, Ben. I meant to call Blue’s LL a “person of less favor.”
Bank of America forecloses on house that couple had paid cash for:
http://www.tampabay.com/news/business/realestate/bank-of-america-forecloses-on-house-that-couple-had-paid-cash-for/1072632
Some interesting comments are attatched to this story.
More crooked dealings by goldman, great video:
http://www.thinkbigworksmall.com/mypage/player/tbws/23088/1287086
Clearly there are no checks nor balances on the banks and money handlers trespass. First they dug themselves a very deep and risky financial hole and then bamboozled a way for US to bail them out - oh and keep that disturbingly large bonus stream coming their way. Now we see that they can do what they wish with our property and we have zero, zip, nada, zilch, nix, nil, no pre-emptive protection provided by the government that collects taxes from US specifically to provide protection of our property.
Let’s watch and see what the judicial side we pay for does with this one. Personally, I hope BofA is made to pay huge.
The point of your post is remarkably similar to that of mine (which has not yet shown up, and which I typed just before yours came through…).
Great minds think alike.
“…government that collects taxes from US specifically to provide protection of our property.”
TARP = largest lump-sum federal tax levied in U.S. history, summarily transferred to Megabank, Inc so they could continue their hedge fund operations to the ongoing detriment of Main Street America.
The same Main Street fools that voted in the Republicrat politicians who then collude with the Banksters to screw them, term after term. I have no sympathy.
I have no sympathy.
No sympathy for the couple in the story, or no sympathy for your fellow citizens (”homeowners” or not) who’ve been taxed thusly?
Both. My “fellow citizens” installed these Republicrat shysters in office, and keep them there (or replace them with equally odious candidates) election after election. I only feel sorry for the 5% or so of voters with the intelligence to see what a scam is being played on them, and who have rejected the corrupt Republicrat duopoly, but are still forced to pay for the idiocy of their fellow citizens.
I only feel sorry for the 5% or so of voters with the intelligence to see what a scam is being played on them, and who have rejected the corrupt Republicrat duopoly, but are still forced to pay for the idiocy of their fellow citizens.
Is it safe to assume you think 95% of Americans are useless cretins, or is your stance confined to this specific issue (voting for “the corrupt Republicrat duopoly”)?
No - most of my fellow citizens are reasonably bright and decent. But they’re terribly, terribly complacent and passive. That doesn’t make them bad people, but pulling the lever the same way every election and hoping for a different outcome is close to the clinical definition of insanity. Most people have a sense that something in the basic order of things has gone off track, but they expect the news media or their “leaders” to tell them what’s going on and to fix the problems. They buy into popular myths and assumptions without once stopping to reflect on how sound or unsound those beliefs might be. So when they wail about how things are going to hell in a handbasket, I don’t have much sympathy. It all comes down to cause and effect. Most people refuse to see that they might be part of the problem, or make any effort to become part of the solution.
“The only thing needed for evil to flourish is for good people do nothing.”
“…to do…”
GAH!
What makes this story interesting is not that the event happened, what makes it interesting is the media reported it as happening.
It looks as if BofA should have taken out more full-page ads in this newspaper.
Megabank, Inc, which only stays in business thanks to the forced largess of American households, nonetheless has few qualms about turning around and putting the screws on hapless homeowners who can’t keep up with their unaffordable monthly payments.
OTOH, the “walk away” meme is hitting the MSM.
Banks, for far too long, have always held the upper hand by law and have ALWAYS used it to take unfair and unethical advantage of the average person.
We have regressed back to the days of the robber barons and the Victorian labor philosophy.
I would suggest everyone read again about the 1st and 2nd Banks of the United States in Wikipedia.
Maybe my other post will show.
…he company showed negligence, trespassed and caused the couple emotional distress and financial hardship…
The suit also charges the company with defamation and libel. DeMello said the Cardosos are part of a Portuguese community in the area, and the foreclosure tarnished their reputation…
defamation.. Portuguese??? hhahaha… GOOOooooOOOOAL!
big freakin deal.. The bank screwed up and they lawyered up hit the jackpot. They don’t need your sympathy (unless you’re on the jury).
Wait till Bank of Dubai siezes your property and you don’t have any dealings with that bank.
But they might at least give you free passes to that Dubai World ski resort.
I want you.. and measton.. and oc-ed on my jury. We gonna PUNISH that bank!
“The Cardosos are seeking unspecified damages from Bank of America. The company showed negligence, trespassed and caused the couple emotional distress and financial hardship…”
Oh, goodie…Bank of Oppoortunity made a big boo boo.
Bring in the lawyers…the good one’s..the one’s that know how to appraise big testicles…sqqqqqqqqqqueeeeeeeeeeze
I guess this is the culmination of the war on savers. Just go out and seize their property. How dare this unamerican couple pay cash for a house they could have borrowed on. I say throw them in prison.
They paid cash?! Obviously drug dealers! Bring in the DEA and IRS!
“I say throw them in prison.”
Funny…
Instead of debtors prisons, we’ll have non-debtors prisons!
“Instead of debtors prisons, we’ll have non-debtors prisons!”
I guess this blog is finished. But at least we’ll all get to sit around and b!tch about TBTF in our 6×8 cells.
Paying large amounts of cash (IIRC $3K+) for anything in this country gets you automatically reported to the feds.
You know, a couple of years ago there was a flurry of stories about mortgages servicers routinely filing “lost note affidavids” because they had lost leins that they’d never actually bothered to file. Apparantly during the boom years, there was a whole lot of crappy filing of paperwork by banks and brokers.
For several years, banksters, lenders, title companies and their lawyers, have been using their MERS(Mortgage Electronic Registration Systems) computer software system as one of their “agents” in property recording and transfer rather than filing these documents at local court houses to save time and money. So much for the old fashioned ways.
They suppousedly warehoused the origionals… somewhere ?
Now this process is gonna cost them all BIG TIME because judges and homedebters are demanding the origional Proof of Promisory Notes and Mortgage Docements before they give up the farm.
A copy of some print-out from their MERS computer co just doesn’t cut it in court to prove lawful pocession of a house.
Lawsuits have challenged MERS right to EVEN on the papers as well as they’re standing as a agent of the banks or party or be envolved in transfers or forclosures.
http://www.mersinc.org/
Desolate malls, empty offices may come soon
Report: Defaults on commercial real estate loans a looming economic crisis. Feb. 11, 2010 (AP)
WASHINGTON - Over the next several years, failed commercial real estate loans could litter American cities with empty stores and office complexes, cause hundreds of bank failures and weaken the economy, a watchdog report says.
Banks face up to $300 billion in losses on loans made for commercial property and development, according to a report released Thursday by the Congressional Oversight Panel. The panel monitors the government’s efforts to stabilize the financial system.
The report says the defaults could lead to reduced lending and cause the eviction of families from rental properties. Bank failures also could contribute to job losses and hurt the economic recovery.
The Great Sausage Race…
Grand Sausage Plan A — Gonna build
High-rise Wauwatosa development proposed
Highway 45 and Burleigh St. site would include office, retail, condos
By Tom Daykin of the Journal Sentinel
Posted: Jan. 6, 2007
The $130 million development would encompass a 6-acre site once occupied by Schlossman’s Dodge City and Frascona Buick. Among the highlights:
A 240-room hotel
An 18-story condo
A medical office building
A fitness club
An area development firm is proposing an ambitious project that would create an office building, retail space, a luxury hotel and condominium tower east of Highway 45 and south of W. Burleigh St. in Wauwatosa.
Icon Development Corp. has submitted a conceptual plan for the 6-acre site, which once housed Schlossmann’s Dodge City, a car dealership that recently moved to Brookfield, and the former Frascona Buick, which closed last year. The Plan Commission will meet Monday on the proposal, which was first reported in the Business Journal on Friday.
…The Wauwatosa project would be the largest development ever attempted by Icon, which is run by the same family that owns Klement Sausage Co
http://tinyurl.com/ylbqr3w
Grand Sausage Plan B — Crispy Critter BK
Business
Developer Jeffrey Klement files for bankruptcy
By Tom Daykin of the Journal Sentinel
Posted: Feb. 10, 2010
Land and Space
When the housing bubble burst, Icon, led by Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey Klement, was left holding undeveloped land and vacant condos as bank loans came due. The firm’s biggest problem might have been a proposed project unlike anything Icon had ever done: an 18-story condo tower, with penthouse units to be priced at $1 million apiece.
…Klement, 48, is now in Chapter 7 bankruptcy after running into several foreclosure suits involving Icon’s projects, including the Wauwatosa development, which was to feature the 118-unit high-rise, a hotel, health club and medical office building. Klement, in his bankruptcy filing, listed assets of $3.6 million, much of which will be sold to pay a portion of his $27.9 million in liabilities.
Klement’s largest unsecured creditors are lenders and investors, including Amcore Bank, with a $5.6 million contingent claim; Harris Bank, $2.55 million; M&I Marshall & Ilsley Bank, $2,125,000; Waterstone Bank, $2 million; Robert Dobberstein, $1.4 million; USA Funding, $1.2 million; Guardian Credit Union, $1,075,000; Johnson Bank, $1 million; North Shore Bank, $1 million; Don Johnson, $1 million, and Raymond Schultz, $1 million.”
http://tinyurl.com/yzdgacj
This has become common. Grandpa starts a productive business (like sausages) and becomes rich. Son, and then wastrel grandson gut the productive business and become “developers.” What a waste. I hope the sausage business is still intact.
Me too.
I like their Bratwursts and I, like the kids, love the sausage races at the Brewers ballgames.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage_Race
I like their Bratwursts and I, like the kids, love the sausage races at the Brewers ballgames.
Me too!
Like minds ET
REhobbyist,
We had seen that locally in Wilsonville, OR on a boat dealership that had been in biz since the 80’s. People were making their payments to what they ‘thought’ was Wells Fargo or whatever but “Jr.” figured out a way to intercept them ( in a none-too-disctrete manner btw ) and was totally busted!
Seems he had his fingers in all kinds of Res. RE tomfoolery and got in way over his head. Of course now, in addition to stacks of non-performing loan files, he’s left a vacant building and a staff of former employees. Dontcha’ just love the HB?
I forget - is this all part of the “green shoots” recovery?
Green shoots? No, just business as usual.
REhobbyist nailed it. I’ve seen it happen too many times.
This has become common. Grandpa starts a productive business (like sausages) and becomes rich. Son, and then wastrel grandson gut the productive business and become “developers.”
Nah, this isn’t new. Read The Millionaire Next Door.
Published in the mid 90s.
Apparently most of major wealth was/is made by 1st generation, 2nd kept most, 3rd blows it. 1st gen apparently wants to make it easier on their offspring and 2nd gen doesn’t work as hard, 3rd is totally entitled.
“Desolate malls, empty offices may come soon”
Newsflash: Have you been to Florida?
Have you been to California?
“Over the next several years, empty stores and office complexes could lead to a burst of entreneurship and economic vitality as new owners are able to make money at lower rents, and new businesses can open because of those rents.”
Fixed.
Lower rents, like lower housing prices, means more economic freedom and the ability to save the results of one’s labors. Megabank will do whatever it takes to prevent that type of freedom from becoming common.
You have problem with Corporate Communist Capitalism©®™, comrade?
Having been to the mall somewhat recently (last year) I say GOOD! Nothing and I mean nothing, but crap!
Almost everything aimed at 20 yos and all overpriced crap.
For some reason, I don’t think marketing to 20 yos to the exclusion of almost all other age groups is a very good stragey. Might have something to with that age group’s (declining) wages and (lack of) jobs.
Or maybe it’s just me. Wait, what’s the latest retail figures? “Unexpected?”
Since when do jobs and wages matter?
They didn’t for the Bubble?!
Fannie, Freddie Spreads Narrowest in 17 Years: Credit Markets
Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) — Traders are driving relative yields on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgage bonds that most influence the interest rates consumers pay to the lowest in 17 years, speculating cash the companies use to buy delinquent loans will be recycled back into the securities.
The difference between yields on Fannie Mae’s current- coupon 30-year securities, which trade closest to face value, and 10-year Treasuries narrowed to as little as 0.66 percentage point yesterday, matching the lowest since 1992, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
What is a “Fannie spread”? It sounds rather unpleasant…
It is something that really turns Barney Frank on.
Ewwwwwwwwww, icky!
He prefers the Freddie spread, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
“Fannie spread” is the new security process in the airports. Don’t clench or struggle.
Roidy
Especially to a Brit.
“Fannie spread”
I represent that comment.
Harumph.
Senate Dems offer stripped-down jobs bill after old bill hit for paltry job-making prospects.
WASHINGTON (AP) — Stung by criticism that a bipartisan jobs bill emerging in the Senate wouldn’t create many jobs, Senate Democrats on Thursday proposed a new, stripped-down version they hope will still get support from both Republicans and Democrats.
Republicans, however, accused Democrats of reneging on their deal, putting in jeopardy a short-lived attempt at bipartisan lawmaking.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s latest bill focuses on several popular provisions aimed at boosting job creation, including a new tax break negotiated with Republicans for companies that hire unemployed workers and for small businesses that purchase new equipment. It also would renew highway programs and help states and local governments finance large infrastructure projects.
Not saying I know the answer to this problem, but it seems to me job creation should be a product of an endeavor, not the other way around.
The Tao of Combo… you need to make a children’s book.
Lol. And set a record for the most unread books ever published?
I couldn’t even get my own kids to pay attention to what I had to say.
What makes you think you’re unique?
Isn’t that the truth!
Not saying I know the answer to this problem, but it seems to me job creation should be a product of an endeavor, not the other way around.
Nail on the head. That’s a quote worth saving.
It’s quite easy really.
The republicans don’t want jobs…they want slaves.
“Shaking it up here, Boss. Shaking it up here. Still shaking it, Boss…”
Wmbz:
I have had this idea for many years.Why not base tax breaks on the amount of employees that work 2nd 3rd shift weekends and holidays?
It seems our country is so 9-5 oriented, that it strains the systems with massive traffic jams subways that are packed at 8am yet by 10 am i can get a seat. We use at least twice as much electricity at 4pm then 4 AM. Which means we need lots of expensive peak generators.
I think the time shifting of work would make for a lot more opportunities for all of us.
Or better yet, base tax breaks on the number of employees that telecommute.
LVG:
We still have tens of millions of people who have no clue how to use a computer…And lots of jobs require manpower and to be physically there..
Truthfully if we are to become more home bound employment then we must start teaching organization and priority business skills in school asap and make it a manditory requirement for graduation.
I am not that organized so I like getting out of the house and actually going to work…most of the time.
You save more by outsourcing to India than you would on the tax break.
Or give tax breaks based on how many Americans are employed in a given Company verses outsourcing . I wish I could get the true figure on how many jobs are outsourced . Also ,something has to be done about America not having very much of a manufacturing base anymore .
America likes to hold itself up as a great capitalist Nation yet
in the end the Corporate structure decided to take advantage of
cheap foreign labor that created a uneven playing field for American manufacturing and destroyed a big job base in America .
If I could create a market system in which I took advantage of all the inequities in the World ,and game the system for greater profit, I would if I was allowed by the Policy makers . The World is to big to fail now because of the interconnected treads ,especially in the financial markets .
..Also ,something has to be done about America not having very much of a manufacturing base anymore .
That’s easy. Instruct our government to support manufacturing. Make the manufacturing environment inside the USA more profitable than manufacturing outside the USA.
That’s easy. Instruct our government to support manufacturing. Make the manufacturing environment inside the USA more profitable than manufacturing outside the USA.
LOL. OK sorry, but that’s kind of like “It’s easy - let’s just build more stuff here!” I’m afraid a meaningful solution would need to be a bit more specific.
I’ll start. We need for all imported things sold in the U.S. to be subject to the exact same workplace, environmental, and wage regulations as exist for things manufactured in the U.S. - otherwise tariff the living **** out of imports that don’t meet these criteria.
hmm.. Force the world to live by our standards..
Why should other countries change their ways? What is the incentive?
American consumers are perfectly happy with today’s lower prices thanks to cheaper imported goods.
They will be very annoyed if prices rise or if products are not available.
Why should other countries change their ways? What is the incentive?
US dollars seem to incent them pretty well.
American consumers are perfectly happy with today’s lower prices thanks to cheaper imported goods.
They will be very annoyed if prices rise or if products are not available.
Americans tend to get fairly annoyed at unemployment too. It’s a tradeoff - high-priced goods for higher employment.
Also - I didn’t rule out the possibility of simply lessening regulations in the U.S. On way or another we need to be on a level playing field - there are multiple ways of doing that. A good start would be to abolish the minimum wage.
Considering how diverse the world is, a level playing field cannot be possible.
Societies and economies move forward. Some are less mature than others. It’s difficult for the USA to picture it’s future mainly because we are in the lead. What lies ahead? Nobody knows because nobody’s been there.
(yeah.. doom and gloomers think they know, but they don’t.)
Our deliberately moving backwards to re-industrialization is not natural, nor do I think it’s smart. At best it means we’re going in circles.
Our deliberately moving backwards to re-industrialization is not natural, nor do I think it’s smart. At best it means we’re going in circles.
But I think you dont know whats happened now (and it’s bad) but you got to know so I’ll tell it, even though its hard for me to explain good so you can understand.
Right now, there are a lot of nice Americans that don’t have any good jobs. They used to have these good jobs that made stuff (that they used to buy with the money they made making the stuff they bought), but now those jobs are in China, so people don’t have those jobs in America now.
re-industralization will be moving forward, not backwards like you said, because adding jobs that pay more money is like moving forward in economics and not even in a circle like you said it.
P.S. And I really do believe re-industrialization would be moving forward.
Rio,
Things change. The “good old days” are gone forever.
A promising future awaits those who are strong and brave enough to keep moving.
The weak will not be carried. Those who resist change will not be forced forward. The fearful will not be pampered or coaxed. They will all be left behind.
“Things change. The “good old days” are gone forever.
A promising future awaits those who are strong and brave enough to keep moving.
The weak will not be carried. Those who resist change will not be forced forward. The fearful will not be pampered or coaxed. They will all be left behind.”
…that sounds a LOT like Chairman Mao Zedong, his great Leap Forward, shortly before he grabbed his Little Red Book and murdered 70 million people.
joey bears close watching…
Housing Wizard, how about just eliminating the tax breaks that sent the jobs offshore in the first place?
joey, the reality is that not everyone is equipped to be anything more than a worker bee who might move up to supervisor one day. In fact, most people aren’t.
Marie Antoinette tried to “leave the weak behind.” The results are what happens when the PTB forget to help the rest of the citizens. And that’s only just one of hundreds of examples of “leaving the weak behind.”
“Right now, there are a lot of nice Americans that don’t have any good jobs.”
RioAmericanInBrasil. let me rephrase this: “Right now, there are a lot of competent and hard working Americans that don’t have any good jobs.”
And instead of weeding out the the incompetent, the lack of jobs has only reinforced the mediocre because they are threatened by the competent and consequently fire them, surrounding themselves with pathetic sycophants who threaten neither their jobs nor stock holdings.
pure coincidence, Mikey..
But we are talking about societal change, and change is never kind to the weak, the slow, nor to those old dogs too set in their ways..
Mao did change China from a backward agricultural society to a world power.
How did he do it? Basically he forced industrialization on that country.. which by another coincidence is what certain posters above suggest we should also do.
ecofeco..
Don’t get the wrong impression about what I’m saying. I do not propose anyone be left behind.
Societal evolution involves irresistible forces. Some forces are within us and some are far beyond our control. Despite our best efforts and intentions, and depending on where we end up, some people will not be able to adapt.
Mao also killed 10s of millions of his own citizens to accomplish that.
But let’s just leave that pesky fact out, shall we, Marie?
Oops, Sorry joey, the post delay caught ya.
Yes, on those points you are right. No matter what, sometimes events are bigger than everyone.
I’m watching CNBC this morning. Apparently there is a corporate CEO summit being held today in Fort Lauderdale. Usually the CEOs enjoy themselves, but this year they are holding meetings regarding job creation. But there is nothing in the news about these meetings. Can’t find a single link for your edification. Could it be that CEOs have no ideas regarding the creation of jobs?
I suspect they are meeting to figure out how to extract tax payer wealth under the guise of creating jobs. You won’t hear about it in the MSM until they have figured out their sales pitch.
Why don’t these politicians get it? The simple way to create jobs for Americans, is to not allow companies to deduct, as an expense, outsourced labor. If a company can’t expense its labor costs, because its outsourced, they will come around real quick. Stop the outsourcing and a million jobs could be created overnight. hey, and at no cost to the federal budget.
Terry,
It’s so crazy ( it just might work! ) Could it really be that simple? As I mentioned yesterday, my wife’s med. tech. company had tonnes of equipt. sent back from China to OR.
Just might work and the benefit to the fed, those million people working would be paying taxes and using their income to support the economy. Problem is, Microsoft, AT&T, and all the rest of the biggies have too many bought and paid for legislators.
That would require electing political leadership that isn’t in bed with the corporate cartels and their race to the bottom when it comes to wages and production costs. In other words, ditching the Republicrat whores we have now. But J6P is too stupid to make the connection between his vote for the status quo and the maintenance of the status quo.
…and 70 years of past media bombardment will make sure it remains that way.
WTH? So you couldn’t make it to work for a week and the job is lost? Now you file for unemployment.
Snowmageddon could cost up to 150,000 jobs in February
New York (CNNMoney.com) — This month’s blizzards are battering jobs.
Economists estimate that between 90,000 and 150,000 jobs could be lost in February, as the snow kept people home from work and stalled hiring during the month.
Analysts had been expecting good news on the jobs front, forecasting that payrolls would expand.
Instead, both people who have jobs and those who were set to start new positions couldn’t get to work because of the weather. As a result, they’ll file for unemployment benefits.
The unemployment system was designed decades ago to accomodate the manufacturing sector, where workers would be laid off for 2-3 weeks at a time and then return to the same job. (You know, back when there weren’t 6 unemployed for every available job, and back when workers didn’t go 6-8 months between separate jobs.) They might get called back on a day’s notice. Therefore, the unemployed “file” for unemployment benefits each week.
So if someone was slated to start a new job on Monday and can’t start until the following Monday, they file for one more weekly unemployment payment. And it’s not as if existing workers were lazy an stayed home on their own — more likely the business itself closed, effectively “laying off” their hourly workers for a week. In which case, I guess the old unemployment system would still apply. For a week.
Yes, that’s certainly the case with UE, and SS & Pensions & other bennies for that matter! They were all designed decades ago around a socioeconomic system (Bretton Woods) that is long since kaput.
1. Most all layoffs are supposed be cyclical
2. Retirees should be expected to expire within a decade of retirement
3. Disability means losing eyesight or a limb
4. Workers should stay away from doctors and hospitals - except in the cases mentioned in item 3.
Workers should stay away from doctors and hospitals
I’m down with this one! I seem to recall reading that one third of all doctor visits are unnecessary.
Slim, Edge,
Agreed. I’m getting mega-grief ( and a desk job ) b/c of my hearing from The Guard. Hello! You work around jets much of your adulthood ( and teen years come to think of it? ) and yeah, you’re going to go gradually deaf.
What’s the big? It’s not like you could hear anyone out on the flightline anyway? Wish me luck, I’m going to fight it tooth & nail.
Hey DiNOR;
What’s that you say, I can’t hear you…
Same same for me- worked around C-141B, C-5A, C-130A, E, H3 aircraft 1982-2005. Flightline (enlisted) avionics tech until 89, then Aircraft Maintenance Officer and later Commander.
Wife says it is getting worse… perhaps it is “selective” hearing!!
tgun,
Wish me luck. I’m full of pee & vinegar on this one and my guess is that this is really more about ‘age’ than physical condition?
I said, so what’s left? I mean other than paralegal or chaplain’s asst? Truthfully, practically ‘anything’ has better adv. potential than maint. I just don’t like having my hand forced on anything.
For me, it goes back to Edgewaterjohn’s original assessment. I still have both eyes and don’t appear to be missing any limbs.
I suppose playing in a rock band for decades has nothing to do with your hearing…..
I come from a family with a history of hearing loss. And it’s starting to happen to me.
That’s why I like the Internet so much. I don’t have to strain to hear an e-mail. Or, for that matter, what people are saying on the HBB.
huh..huh !?!
Scheduled for a hearing aid on Mar 22.
(Oh, and it wouldn’t hurt for you to leave your caps on too)
Shessh…my image…my image !
That still applies for construction workers in the colder climates. When winter sets in outside work ceases for the most part and the workforce is reduced to match the decrease in need. When I was doing this work in PA we would go directly from the job site to the Unemployment office and sign up. They would give me a stack of weekly cards to send in. If I ran out I went back until spring when the outside work picked up again. That said I still recall using propane to melt ice around the rebar so we could pour concrete. Also working in such low temperatures that we went to the top of the building (46 floors) in 30 minute shifts. Damn! That was cold. So the work year was extended as far as possible into the cold season because there was money to be made.
Economists estimate that between 90,000 and 150,000 jobs could be lost in February, as the snow kept people home from work and stalled hiring during the month.
Hmmm - what about that whole “broken window principle” thingie? All around me here in NoVA the cities’, counties’, and even states’ snow plowing budgets are being completely shattered by these snowfalls. People are working 12-14 hour days, crews around the clock cleaning up all this snow.
You mean these people are admitting that doing tons of unexpected work that doesn’t actually add value to society (other than temporarily) is not good for the economy??? GASP!!!
What are the odds some light bulbs will come on and they’ll realize that stimulus spending has the same net negative effect?
We had record snowfalls in the winters of 2007/8 and 2008/9, close to 100 inches each year. Lots of guys bought 4x’s and snowplows to make a quick buck.
This year, nada, well, close to nada, a couple of inches to be exact. Makes a Return on Investment pretty elusive.
You gotta admit GS is a piece of work (or sh!t) depending on your point of view.
Goldman Sachs faces ‘Robin Hood tax’ vote-rigging claims.
The Robin Hood Tax campaign alleged that a Goldman computer was one of two computers that allegedly “spammed” the internet poll with more than 4,600 “no” votes in less than 20 minutes on Thursday.
Technical staff for the Robinhoodtax.org.uk website said the “no” counter increased at a “dramatic rate” from 3.41pm.
The number of “no” votes jumped from 1,400 to 6,000 before campaigners – who are calling for the introduction of 0.05pc tax on banking transactions – tightened the site’s security.
Robin Hood’s security team claimed it traced the erroneous votes to two computers, one of which is allegedly registered as belonging to Goldman.
A spokesman for Goldman said the bank had “just received this information and is investigating fully”.
For anyone who dislikes Golden Sacks, Paul Solman at PBS Newhour is doing a two-part report on GS. It won’t let me past excerpts, but Paul takes some real shots at GS. (for example, Paul comes right out and asks: isn’t GS front-running, isn’t that illegal?) Transcript here:
pbs DOT org/newshour/bb/business/jan-june10/goldmansachs_02-11.html
Also notice that this report was funded by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. Usually, PBS Newshour in general is funded by BoA and Chevron, and the like. But they had to arrange separate funding just to investigate GS? I find this pretty revealing. Follow the money.
Alfred P. Sloan - one of the founders of General Motors.
Then why does it run like Alfred E. Newman was on the board?
Sloan died in 1966.
I point this out since many younger people don’t associate names with corporations.
Alfred P. Sloan - General Motors
Robert Wood Johnson - Johnson & Johnson
etc. etc.
I am troubled somewhat at the sponsorship of PBS news products.
This hard-hitting investigative reporting on drug companies is underwritten by Johnson & Johnson.
This hard-hitting investigative reporting on agribusiness is underwritten by Archer Daniels Midland.
This hard-hitting investigative reporting on the auto industry is underwritten by General motors.
etc. etc.
You do realize that foundations run differently than companies? It isn’t Microsoft that’s vaccinating kids in Africa.
No, but….Bill wouldn’t have his money without MS.
There is still a direct causitive financial link between big corporations and the charitable trusts that bear the founder’s names.
There is still the perception of a conflict of interest here.
Perception, yes, but not real. I thought these foundations were based on personal fortune. If the Gates Foundation wanted to fund an invesitgation of something Microsoft did recently (after Bill left), could Microsoft stop him? I don’t believe so. GM has no control over the Sloan money.
On a related note, the PBS announcer always voiced the blurb that AP Sloan foundation was “dedicated to funding scientific endeavor.” Only recently did the blurb change to say “scientific endeavor and financial literacy.”
“A spokesman for Goldman said the bank had “just received this information and is investigating fully”.”
- as Goldman rantically tries to destroy the evidence.
press,
Sure you meant “frantically” but I like it! Kills two birds w/ (1) stone. Genius!
There has to be a new word for the brief period of time when you proofread a post just after hitting send and helplessly think: “oh well”.
“ignasec” (sniglet)
The instant the second you push the button and realize you missed one. (or locked the keys in the car)
Well, destroy the evidence and find some way to get this software to the point where it influences more than just votes on a website!
If they weren’t above the rule of law, I would suggest this sounds like fraud…
This situation is getting more ridiculous by the day. It’s hard to blame Goldman anymore. I blame politicians for the disaster we’re in.
blame politicians for the disaster we’re in.
Politicians owned by GS???
I think the origin of the problem is still GS. They and other Wall Street Titans own our gov top to bottom. There won’t be any change until the anger boils over. The MSM is busy trying to tamp that down.
GS was Obama’s 2nd-largest campaign contributor.
“Hope and Change Goldman Sachs can believe in” might not have caught on as well as a campaign slogan, but it would’ve been more truthful.
“Hope and Change Goldman Sachs can believe in”
I want that on a T-shirt. Seriously. Along with the number of $’s contributed to Obama’s campaign by GS. Wish I could get back the $120 that I contributed to Team Hope and Change.
“I think the origin of the problem is still GS.”
It’s up to lawmakers, and law enforcement, to do something about Goldman Sachs. Thus far, they’ve just encouraged them, or turned a blind eye to their antics.
More “rigging” involving computers?
Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) — Former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. computer programmer Sergey Aleynikov was indicted on federal charges that he stole trading software from the bank.
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-02-12/ex-goldman-programmer-aleynikov-indicted-over-software-theft.html
“The bank has raised the possibility that there is a danger that somebody who knew how to use this program could use it to manipulate markets in unfair ways,” Facciponti said, according to a recording of the hearing made public yesterday. “The copy in Germany is still out there, and we at this time do not know who else has access to it.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=axYw_ykTBokE
“The bank has raised the possibility that there is a danger that somebody who knew how to use this program could use it to manipulate markets in unfair ways
Yes, because Goldman Sachs and the other Wall Street sharks are far too ethical to ever manipulate the market in unfair ways.
Very interesting.
This is basically EXACTLY the same thing they said the last time this was made public.
Which means several things:
1. They’ve covered their tracks enough to think they can go to trial without having to air their dirty laundry.
2. They’re really desperate and have NO leads on where the missing copy is.
3. That is one NASTY bit of software and was being used to game world markets and basically amounts to a loose nuke.
German economic recovery loses steam.
BERLIN (AP) — Germany’s economic recovery unexpectedly lost momentum in the fourth quarter as output failed to grow from the previous three months, official data showed Friday.
The preliminary data for the October-December period show gross domestic product was unchanged compared with the previous three months, after quarterly gains in both the second and third quarters brought Europe’s biggest economy out of a deep recession.
The German government’s Federal Statistical Office identified exports, the traditional driver of the German economy, as the “only positive contribution.”
Otherwise, imports, consumer spending, and capital investment all fell, dragging the economy to stagnation.
unexpectedly!
Everything is now “unexpected”. I however, expected this as I am a voracious consumer of this blog and as a Euro-dweller I knew that the favorite type of ice cream cone here in Euro-land is “the double dip”
Dive, dive, dive Herr Kapitan! Zer depth charges are here!!!!!!
Ich verstehe nicht, mein Kapitän! Wenn Sie setzen Kuh Kot im Motor muss noch laufen.
Wir sind verloren, die Kool Aid ist nicht mehr süß.
Thanks for the good laugh!
They better knock it off, they have neighbors to take care of now.
Come on Germany, you can do better. Big spenders and lazy government workers in Greece are counting on you.
Seriously, Germans, get with the program! The anarcho-Communist unions and their slug workers, and legions of corrupt and inefficient Greek public sector workers demand greater sacrifices on the part of the Volk!
More unexpected than expected!
Seems I’m still batting 1000!
Unexpectedly…
Man Robs Banks to Pay Mortgage:
“The 73-year-old grandfather, who walks with a slow shuffle and needs help carrying the pots he sells at his garden store, said he didn’t want to hurt anybody. But he said he needed money”
http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/police-tampa-man-73-robbed-banks-to-pay-mortgage/1072526
Give the guy a break. It was probably his money the bank had previously confiscated, anyway…
It is funny how that works: rob a bank, go to jail. Rob the taxpayers for trillions, get a big bonus. Hmmm…
WTH? 73 and still paying a mortgage? Am I the only one seeing this as strange?
15 years ago it would have been strange. Now, it’s the McMansion you deserve. (or, the 55+ condo you’ve always wanted.)
No it is not strange. You should get out more often.
Not everyone gets to retire with those mythical big pensions nor wants to stay in the same neighborhood nor made enough money to live off of cash savings in the bank nor struck it rich in the stock market or RE.
WTH? Another turd flushes itself from the cesspool. I thought all the democraps wanted to hang with team Barry for all that hope & change.
Rep. Patrick Kennedy Will Not Seek Re-Election (AP)
For the first time in nearly half a century, there may not be a member of the Kennedy clan in Congress.
In a video message posted to YouTube, eight-term Rep. Patrick Kennedy (D-RI) says his “life is taking a new direction” and he will not be a candidate for re-election this year.
Kennedy is the son of the late Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and the nephew of President John F. Kennedy. When elected to Congress in 1994, Kennedy was just 27 and the youngest member of the House.
Isn’t this the Kennedy who was busted for drunk driving in DC a few years ago? And this bust was followed by a stint in rehab?
Methinks that Mr. Kennedy needs to get into a more reflective line of work. Just as some of the alcoholics in my family did. (The rest didn’t do this, and let’s just say that they’re still drinking.)
Slim,
And not j/b/c it’s a Kennedy, but I think this is the new vogue. Step aside for a cycle, re-cast yourself as a reformer and then come back for a 2nd helping or whatever. Just look at Sarah P.
Yeah, he told the arresting officer for his DUI that he was in a rush to get to Capitol Hill for a vote.
At 3 AM IIRC.
Wasn’t this the same Kennedy that was caught diddling the 14-year-old family babysitter? Good to see the famous Kennedy ethics and morality hasn’t skipped any generations. Maybe we’ll see him on an upcoming episode of Dateline NBC’s “To Catch a Predator.” Which would still put him several moral planes above Teddy.
When asked what he was going to do with his life now, Pat Kennedy said, “Like my daddy told me, I’ll drive off that bridge when I get to it!”
Democraps? Really? Has the level of discourse here sunk so low?
No, they are just the foil for the Republicunts.
bink,
Agreed, not cool. How’d ‘that’ one get passed the smut filter. We have ladies here, knock that off.
Good riddance!
Do any of you think we’d be nuts to buy a 3-story townhouse? Not for the financials, but for having kids up in the third story in fire districts that aren’t totally wrapped around high-rise rescue (like, say, Jersey City or NYC).
People I know who trade single stories for two-stories tell me climbing stairs gets old real fast.
The phrase “cardiovascular workout” would soon strike a familiar note. Especialy with the vacuum cleaner - laundry - kid in tow.
“cardiovascular workout”
With all due respect (cause you’re a great person, blue) stairs in a private residence are hardly a work out. We’ve owned 2 two stories, and I use a treadmill daily. IMHO, that’s a fallacy.
Muggy-
My 2 year old niece and her 6 year old sister lived with us for 6 months (mom-relocated to So Ca-moved in) and we had safety issues, having to watch the kids carefully. They were attracted to playing on the stairs. It was a battle.
A lot of houses overseas have potties on a separate floor, that’s why they don’t have as many fatties!
Seriously though, this dude I know bought a third floor condo for $400k and it’s a walk up. Thing is, the staircase is outside and it’s one of the single longest you’ll ever see! The place looks like a set from MTV’s Real World series. Good look finding a 20 y.o. who can get a $400k loan nowadays, because that’s the only demographic such a place would ever appeal to.
“People I know who trade single stories for two-stories tell me climbing stairs gets old real fast.”
Not saying I know the answer to this problem, but it seems to me slowing down should be a product of an getting old, not the other way around.
Hey Muggy:
Any chance of finding that and getting a 2 year lease? If the LL wants to sell the TH, the lease goes with the house, or he has to pay you to break it.
You would be nuts. Trying to carry your little children up the stairs for bed? Hot bedrooms in the summer? 3-stories is probably a garage mahal, so the fumes from the cars could make their way up to the bedrooms, not to mentions fires go upward, FAST. A geologist friend of mine says that garage mahals are the first thing to fall in an earthquake because there are no supporting walls under the middle of the home. Earthquakes aren’t a problem in Florida, but shifting soil might lead to cracks. (?)
By the way. Never take structural engineering advice from a geologist. It is possible to design structures supported by columns that can resist the shear forces generated by earthquakes.
Oh I’m sure it’s possible, but in the age of Chinese drywall, such columns are a luxury.
btw this particular geologist was in California during the Northridge Earthquake and saw the garage townhomes falling first-hand. But that was years ago — maybe it’s different now.
I don’t want to sound like a realtwhore by using this statement but I have to.
It is different now for new construction. The IBC code was revised several times since that earthquake. A big change was in the seismic section of the code. Now every part of the country has to design new structures to withstand some form of seismic activity. Before this there were parts of the country that were completely exempt. If the townhouse was built before ~1995-6 than the townhouse was probably designed using the older building code.
I just have an issue with a blanket statement saying that all 3 story townhouses are susceptable to earthquake damage. There were lots of structures that collapsed during that earthquake like bridges and overpasses that were designed and built to higher standards than residential construction. It all depends on the competency of the engineer that designed the structure and the execution of the construction.
No, you don’t sound like a realtor. I’ll defer to your expertise.
I was surprised at new construction here in Boise. The houses appear to be built to the new codes I saw in California. Wall sills are pressure-treated and bolted to the foundations. Sheer walls are nailed up with OSB. Floor joists’ hangers are bolted to the foundations too. The only thing missing is a water heater strap, and I’ve already bought one and plan to install it soon.
Not many earthquakes around Boise. Most earthquakes in Idaho are in the eastern part of the state on the road to the Yellowstone hot spot (e.g. the 1982 mag. 7 Mt. Borah earthquake).
Just a quick Public Safety note? If possible, situate the tightening clamp off to the side or cover the clamp/bolt w/ foam and tape.
We store mops/brooms off to the side in ours and I nearly sent myself to the ER by rising too quickly. Sharp as all get out.
Is that you DrowningPool?
Nope, I’m not Drowning Pool. I’m just JMS. I don’t post that often.
JMS,
My wife recently brought an interesting article home they circulated around work and the title should have been: Why everything you’ve been told about earthquake survivabilty is WRONG!
The guy had been an emergency responder for 30 years around the world. He noticed it’s better for school children to get in the rows BETWEEN the desks! He worked one of the Mexico City quakes and in one instance, not (1) child survived. They were all in neat little ( sadly crushed ) rows, under their desks just like their teachers TOLD them!
He said by getting in between, when the ceiling collapses, the child will have just enough room for their skull and rib cage. Not a guarantee by any means, but it increases their liklihood of survival! And think twice about finding a doorway!
Take it from a single father of four. You don’t want an empty story between you and the kids. You need to be aware of what they are doing. Teens especially should not even have doors on their rooms! LOL.
Hit the stairs every time you need to go to the bathroom???
I don’ t know. I like it when the kids are in the basement play room and I’m on the second floor, with a full floor between us.
I like the multi-story layout. The ground floor is communal space, while the top floor is private space. I understand that many one-story buildings have two wings for the same purpose, but you are still on the ground floor.
You need an open staircase. That way you can drop objects like apple cores, shoes, etc. on your teenagers from a great height. Great amusement value.
I don’t have a problem with the 3-stories - it’s the townhouse part I don’t like, Muggy. You’re young, and kids like stairs. Screw HOAs.
“Screw HOA’s”
Try vice-versa ( IMHO )
“Do any of you think we’d be nuts to buy a 3-story townhouse?”
Yes.
If you want a one-story ranch, then hold out for a one-story ranch. Don’t do the desperate.
That’s what I meant to say!!!
Weather report for the deep south today is…snow 2-4 inches. Which means the grocery store shelves with be devoid of all milk eggs and bread.
I’m on the way to load up on beer, wine and booze &steaks.
1. The human heart contains valves. If these valves are not lubricated then they will quickly wear out just as automoble engine valves will wear out without lubrication. A nice, jucy steak contains all the lubricant heart valves need for good health.
2. Beer, wine, and booze in general contain lots of alcohol, a natural anti-freeze. Just as an automoble engine needs anti-freeze in cold weather so does the human body.
Excellent points, all!
If more people would follow these nutritional guide lines we would be a much healthier bunch! Bottoms up!
Didn’t know you were an MD? I’m takin your advice!
China surprises by raising banks’ required reserves. 2-12-10
BEIJING (Reuters) - China sprung a surprise on global markets on the eve of its New Year’s holiday with an increase in banks’ reserve requirements, a move that can slow bank lending and tamp down on rising inflation.
Although investors had been expecting the People’s Bank of China to push the reserve requirement ratio higher after an increase last month, few thought the second rise would come so soon.
Markets were rattled by fears that the pace of monetary tightening in China would be more aggressive than had been reckoned on, potentially denting global growth.
How do I get a Peoples Bank of China credit card?
at least it was a surprise…and not unexpectedly.
i like surprises.
Get a job with the Fed. Or better yet, Goldman. Both come with BOC (Bank of China) credit/expense cards as a perk.
How do I get a Peoples Bank of China credit card?
You already have one, they are providing all your credit.
I guess China’s central bank subscribes to the idea of taking away the punch bowl before the party turns into a debaucherous drunkfest?
Yeah, that reminds me, how long has Chindia been polishing the brass balls on their Wall St. bull, what something like 150 years right? No worries, they know EXACTLY what to do…make no mistake about it.
http://money.cnn.com/2010/02/11/real_estate/Citibank_alternative_to_foreclosure/
Anybody see the citi news?
6 months no payments if you leave the place in good shape….
making a policy out of the reality
Is the six months applied to “time served” while deliquent or is it 6 mos in addition to all of the other free months of squatting? Just wondering how all this innovative finance stuff works. A renter with a six-month lease would be perfect.
I see a “weaker than expected” housing market recovery, when the impact of all these extend-and-pretend forbearance measures eventually come to fruition…
Exactly. I see this as a very positive development. Treasury calls it HAFA (Home Affordable Foreclosure Alternative.) It’s a shame that we have to spent money to get people out of their houses, but it should speed the process of lowering house prices.
Perhaps I should have said “longer than expected period of housing price declines” instead?
The only thing that is behaving “perfectly as expected” is the performance of the PPT - 10k and holding. Imagine that?
Some RE news from Coeur d’Alene, Idaho.
Some friends who were moving out of state (only to be closer to grandkids) listed their small, old house in an ‘iffy’ neighborhood and didn’t get any serious inquiries for months. They were on the verge of a radical price drop when a bidding war broke out between two young ‘first-time’ buyers. They ended up selling for $500 more than the original listing price and are moving today.
Two observations:
1. The pool of FB’s is now down to enslaving post-teenagers who were receiving driving permits at the beginning of the bubble.
2. After the acne class become mortgage slaves, there will only be one group left….ironically…the Homeless.
“1. The pool of FB’s is now down to enslaving post-teenagers who were receiving driving permits at the beginning of the bubble.”
My wife has three sisters. Of the four daughters in her parent’s family, only the post-teenager is currently a home owner, thanks to the allure of the $8K ‘first-time buyer’ tax credit. Her husband also just started his first post-college full-time job last month; hopefully it is a keeper.
I tried to have a conversation with SIL about the real estate situation over the Xmas holiday, and she politely changed the subject in a heart beat.
Be prepared for their hands out when they can’t afford to keep up with house maintenance and PITI.
They should be fine provided hubby’s new job works out. Having once been in their position myself, buying a home and getting married, only to lose my job a year later during the longer-than-expected tail of a recession, I clearly understand the risk they are assuming.
Cash-4-Zits will end as a bigger disaster than expected?
Happening right across the street from me.
House bought as investment for college girl to live in. I’m guessing that the sale of said house would pay off her student loans, provide a trip to Europe, and buy her a new car.
Well, around this time last year, I saw a Cadillac-driving, suit-wearing young man over there on a Saturday morning. He was taking pictures of the property. Real estate agent, I presumed.
So, I eagerly awaited the appearance of the “for sale” sign. It never came.
College girl graduated and left town last May. House and property continue to deteriorate. So much so that Dad, who’s often over there, can no longer keep up with the repairs and maintenance.
More “green shoots” - think of all the stuff that’ll need to be bought to keep that place standing.
The other option would be for the house to be listed at a reasonable price and sold to somebody who can afford it, but we can’t let that happen, no matter the cost. Unreal…
“I tried to have a conversation with SIL about the real estate situation over the Xmas holiday, and she politely changed the subject in a heart beat.”
Did she change it to the financial impact of providing for little pitter patters to run around…their “own” backyard?
Now we will find out if citizens are willing to do farm work.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/us/12farm.html
When i lived in Charleston South Carolina my GF worked for a summer migrant health project…
We found out that back in the 70’s and well into the mid 80’s it was all the local blacks & poor whites that did the work…. then mostly because of the welfare food stamps medicaid….they just stopped showing up….We even tried placing full page ads in the newspaper stating Locals will be hired first…and still very few showed up
During World War II, my Aunt Jean (of “President Hoover and the neighbor’s dog” story fame) was a farm worker. (Guys were away at war and crops still had to be harvested.)
She was quite proud of it too.
“While the Department of Homeland Security runs the program…”
Cheney-Shrub Legacy Effect # 28: ‘We are going to restructure the ENTIRE Federal Gov’t…to be more efficient!”
Ag Dept clerk: “Here sir, line 72,….we need to know your maternal great great grandmother’s name and if she was ever a part of a muslim/communist organization anytime between 1832 - 1954…don’t mis-spell, that’ll just slow things down a bit…”
While this will be tough on the small operators, it will also be tough on the big agribiz as well.
I have no sympathy for people who can’t pay a living wage to their employees. It doesn’t have to be a king’s ransom, but more that “min” wage at least. Can’t afford it? Then you shouldn’t be in business.
DJIA = 10K or bust
Stocks open sharply lower
Chinese New Year tiger
CHINA
Lucky money
China’s central bank announces
surprise hike in reserve ratio.
• Oil falls 2% after China hikes
• Gold drops on Beijing’s move
• More gains in year of tiger?
• Asia’s resourceful Friday
U.S. stocks fall out of the starting blocks Friday, as the Dow Industrials shed more than 100 points in early trading.
• U.S. retail sales rebound in Jan.
“DJIA = 10K”
This is the PPT’s Maginot Line, at least for the moment…
Even with the Maginot Line firmly in place, it looks like today will be a really sucky day for stock market bulls, as Chinese central bank tightening has found a way around the fortifications…
Can anyone gauge how much liquidity the PPT has to supply to the U.S. stock market to keep the DJIA above 10K on a “red numbers day” like today?
I’ve often wondered if there is a cap to the liquidity the PPT can inject.
It is hard to imagine a cap, given how successful they appear to be at targeting floors on the headline U.S. stock market indices (e.g. DJIA = 10K). If there were a cap, there would also potentially be determined hedge funds out there who could muster sufficient financial fire power to breach it. My guess is there is no cap on the quantity of liquidity which can be supplied by a virtual printing press technology.
I think the amount it takes to manipulate the Dow is a relative “bargain” when compared to quantitative easing, bad debt purchasing, Fannie/Freddie support, bailouts, etc. We the taxpayer, are getting a good deal! Despicable, yet better than expected at the same time!
“…it takes to manipulate the Dow is a relative “bargain” …”
The more thin and centralized the trade in an asset, the lower the cost to manipulate its price…
Corollary:
Manipulating the price of U.S. housing is bloody expensive!
“Can anyone gauge how much liquidity the PPT has to supply to the U.S. stock market to keep the DJIA above 10K on a “red numbers day” like today?”
Guesstimates:
1. All the tea in China
2. More than we will ever know
3. Gross National Product for a year for most countries
4. More than the number of holes needed to fill the Albert Hall
5. Almost as many $$$ as the banksters have bribed CON gress with in recent times
Guys,
I’ve never taken the pos. the mkt. can’t be overvalued nor that there isn’t a place for bears, but if the PPT either existed or had nearly as active a hand as many here portray ( there never would have been a single margin call, let alone a DOW at 6,600? )
Was it all ‘that’ long ago?
Enjoy the 10K floor on the DJIA, buy stocks, and shuddup.
Hello DinOR,
To answer your question, it is necessary to infuse “motivation” into the equation.
In the Fall of 2008, it was necessary for the PPT to aid and abet a CRASH in the equity markets, so as to unleash the fear and panic necessary to permit passage of TARP and takeover and bailout dollars. That was worth TRILLIONS to the banksters. Now, after single-handedly buying up much of the “market” since then, it may serve their interests for a while to prop it up. Maybe, when they get done unloading their profits, they will CRASH it again.
The next round of financial panic will be sure to bring them plenty more power and loot from the spineless gutless pond scum we call CONgress.
( there never would have been a single margin call, let alone a DOW at 6,600? )
Wrong they needed to put the fear of GOD into congress and the average American. They pushed it into the toilet so that Paulson could get them 700 billion with no strings attatched. Anytime anyone questions the theft they just say look how bad it was.
“( there never would have been a single margin call, let alone a DOW at 6,600? )”
This is one of the dumbest and most persistent straw man arguments against the existence of a PPT. Just because they can temporarily blast the market with sufficient liquidity to keep it propped up at, say, DJIA=10K for a while, does not mean they have the power to prevent the occasional financial market earthquake. These guys are not God, or even God’s little helpers, ya know?
“They pushed it into the toilet so that Paulson could get them 700 billion with no strings attatched.”
Bingo, measton! No toilet dunk, no bailout, plain and simple.
See? Get in line w/ the Group Think/Doctrine or expect to be diss’d w/ regularity.
Otay.., I was more a Buyer at 6,600 ‘but’..? I had thought I qualified that nominal observation fairly carefully but evidently this invloves buying into a total package deal?
1. The Entire Bubble Was Planned
2. Everything ( and I do mean everything is a Ponzi! )
3. Repuklicans are mostly to blame
4. Blah, blah, blah
Classy.
“Anytime anyone questions the theft they just say look how bad it was.”
Not only that, but look how much the markets have recovered, thanks to their hair-of-the-dog stimulus.
Never mind the baseline comparison is to an artificial toilet dunking of Mr Stock Market and Mr Labor Market.
“1. The Entire Bubble Was Planned
2. Everything ( and I do mean everything is a Ponzi! )
3. Repuklicans are mostly to blame
4. Blah, blah, blah”
Sure glad we have someone willing to take over as Straw Man King of the Blog, now that The Troll who Must Not Be Named has left town…
“does not mean they have the power to prevent the occasional financial market earthquake”
And much kudos to all that chimed in right on cue!
So in order for the Total PPT Design to work they need to orchestrate gigantic selloffs from time to time and… do you guys even hear yourselves?
Of… course anyone that so much as challenges the Ultimate Authority of the PPT is employing Strawmen so just whatever…
No orchestration needed - just letting it happen was easy. If there was no PPT involvement right now, we’d be right back down to 6,500.
P.S. I’m using PPT in a general sense - including the various bailouts, stimulus, QE, etc. Not sure how anyone could deny that these are a coordinated and concerted effort to artificially prop up our economy. The only questions that remain are:
- Will it work
- Is it moral
“Total PPT Design”
Straw man BS…
“So in order for the Total PPT Design to work they need to orchestrate gigantic selloffs from time to time and… do you guys even hear yourselves?”
The same question always pops into my mind whenever I read a troll’s straw man character assassination of a cogent scenario:
Is he really this dumb, or just pretending?
I don’t think the whole thing was planned, the mess that a gov run by private banking interests became worse and worse and no one wanted to stop it or take the blame for the crash. I think the reason rates were left so low was to offset the massive deflationary effects of China and technology, the problem of course was this created massive misallocation of resources. The banks and securitization and poor regulation and massive leverage did not help matters. They have known for a long time that eventually a collapse would occur. How could anyone with a brain look at the rising debt levels and price to rent ratios without knowing this. They couldn’t control the fact that a crash would occur. They could control the timing. The end of GW’s term was perfect. Push through all the tax payer theft by scaring the crap out of Congress and the US in general then hand the mantle off to Mr. Hope and Change.
There is no denying that GS and others knew this was coming. They accelerated selling the garbage, and shorted the market way above levels that would suggest that they were only hedging. Paulson went mostly into treasuries. We know the Tan man was selling Countrywide as fast as he could. We know that FED officials were buying GS stock at the bottom knowing how things would be handled. Were there big players that took lumps you bet, but after extracting massive wealth, and of course we don’t know how they hedged their position.
measton +1000
DinOR -1000
“Paulson went mostly into treasuries.”
Best asset by far to hold during a govt-timed and executed stock market collapse…
The same question always pops into my mind whenever I read a troll’s straw man character assassination of a cogent scenario:
Are you calling DinOR a troll?
Is he not entitled to disagree with you, “cogent scenarios” aside?
Dang measton - that was remarkably astute, and well put. You may be right. I’d like to say “time will tell”, but I know it won’t - it will always be a mystery how much of this was by design and how much accidental (”this” being the bubble itself, pre-crash). I hadn’t thought about the whole “low interest rates to prevent China-triggered deflation” angle.
I do still think there’s a decent chance the bubble itself was by design. I have no firm evidence of such; just perhaps the remarkable set of coincidental policy changes that triggered it, starting in the 1990’s; many of which can be loosely traced back to a just a few sources - guys like Rubin, Johnson, Liddy, Summers, Patterson, etc. (through the various government people like Gramm, Frank, Dodd, etc.)
I wish I were retired, and could afford the time to do a bunch more legwork on all this. But oh well - maybe someday.
“I do still think there’s a decent chance the bubble itself was by design.”
One should be careful to distinguish between ‘designed and perfectly controlled’ (aka DinOR strawman characterization) and ‘designed and implemented as a controlled burn’ (my preferred view). As those who live around Los Alamos can attest, controlled burns some times turn into uncontrolled conflagrations.
“controlled burn”
Now we’re getting somewhere. It’s never been even my own gut instinct to speculate anything this f’d up could be “designed and perfectly controlled” let alone any sentiment I’ve shared publicly.
To suggest such, would be a movie special effects guru’s wet dream. Speeding get-away, spectacular car crash, helicopter explodes and… hero walks away without a scratch! ( All captured on film in one take! )
Now, if anyone got that impression, I can only apologize until I’m blue in the face. But I don’t believe I characterized The Grand Debacle in that light. The Los Al analogy is my biggest drawback. Assuming any kind of selloff was agreed upon, what assurance would other co-conspirators have ‘they’ were a safe distance from the flames/fallout?
PB - actually one theory, which I think is possible, might be that it actually *was* intended to get out of control. Just look at the huge power grab that’s going on. JPM and GS are making out like bandits, while the competition is dropping like flies - 140 just last year, and will probably be 500-1000 before this is all said and done, if not more. If this hadn’t have gotten out of control, they wouldn’t have gotten the TARP (a huge competitive advantage - estimated to have been worth about $43B by itself alone), they wouldn’t have killed off nearly as much competition, etc.
Aside from GS and JPM, the Fed itself is doing its own power grab - see all the talk about it taking over power from the FDIC, SEC, etc. as one centralized financial controlling organization. This is happening because all these other entities were supposedly impotent and “didn’t see it coming”. (Not that the Fed and GS/JPM are separate entities - in fact they’re joined at the hip pretty much.)
Key is that even though 99% of the world views the meltdown as a bad thing and therefore assumes it was an accident - my theory is that it perhaps wasn’t an accident precisely because of those 1% that have gained from combination of the bubble and subsequent meltdown.
Perhaps, anyhow.
packman,
Interesting, and it’s plausible enough.., to not rule out, solely b/c it’s incovenient for us? I tend to think, if any of this was truly, truly intentional, it would very definitely be the work of madman.
Not to say the whole lot of them aren’t dispicable psychopaths, they very obviosuly are. But at some point, even at the ind. corp. level, more than (1) person had to be involved in the decision. And that would imply they acted not only maniacally, but in unison.
This has been a march, at a glacial pace, but a march nontheless to establish pre-meditation on many, many levels. Did they collectively leep at the chance to be taxpayer bailed? Absolutely.
I find myself wondering why so many people jump thru hoops to establish that? Can there be any doubt that in time, WS firms will continue to erode in terms of influence? Personally, I think they are already -well- on their way toward becoming inconsequential. How will all of the calculated risk for this grand power grab have paid off when they’re about to become as influential as Omaha? Sure, they’re getting plenty of attention and love ‘now’, but once on an even keel ( and the straight and narrow ) who will lose any sleep over them?
ALWAYS follow the money.
Always.
And try to study more history, alright? Because “engineered chaos” has been done time and time again. It is a classic and effective Machiavellian technique.
(Machiavelli writings are NOT fairy tales)
‘Is he not entitled to disagree with you, “cogent scenarios” aside?’
Anyone who wants to disagree with me is free to do so, and if he uses a straw man troll’s argument, I will be the first to point it out…
I tend to think of the “grand scheme” more like surfers laying on their boards waiting for the waves they know will be coming and prepared to ride them. With the lack of regulations, the increase of credit, the creation of exotic lending products, loose lending standards, algorithm based software products replacing underwriting, CDS’s, AIG and nobody on the average taxpayer’s side watching out for what might happen, if the perfect storm of lack of regulation, loose lending standards, debt = wealth, real estate always goes up becomes a social mantra, and the madness of crowds all come together….and even if any in the hoi poloi do see what could happen if all the stars align actually happening, well who has the power to stop it?
Make no mistake all the finance guys knew what could happen, hence their hedges and confidence in “Too big to fail.” Now, they may not have sat in any back rooms to make it all happen, but they certainly saw what was happening and positioned themselves to profit from it, because that is their raison d’etre.
I have no doubt that the big banks, brokerage houses and hedge funds had rooms full of people trying to see the way forward and where it would all go, and wondering when exactly the music would stop. They are not in the business of public service so all they could do and would do is play along and try to stay on their feet. Some did it better than others. Sometimes the actions of a large group of people happen at the right time and earn the players an advantage, and sometimes the actions of a large group of people don’t happen at the right time and you are disadvantaged. (Lehman, BearStearns)
Their interest in riding this wave if and when it came in was intentional. Their interests in profiting as much as they could and losing as little as possible, and hedging in every way they could was intentional. Throwing their weight behind the biggest bail out in history was also intentional.
However drawing a conclusion that the bubble, crash and crisis was orchestrated with intent and confidence of how and when it would all blow up and come crashing down I think is a huge over-reach.
I think there were definitely people at the top that saw what was happening, and probably analyzed what might happen next just as well as many of us on this blog…and when they saw the wave cresting, they knew the only way forward was to ride it and hope to survive and avoid wiping out.
Not admirable in the slightest for the “masters of the universe” to be able to see what was happening and seek to profit and avoid loss… but that is their job.
We are angry because there was nobody with the inclination to watch out for the responsible American Taxpayer. We are angry because there was nobody watching who had the power or desire to protect the responsible American Taxpayer. Judging by the millions of people who partipulated in their own fleecing by drinking the kool-aid, signing up for more debt than their next two generations could pay back, maxed out their credit cards, bought hummers, refied themselves up to their eyeballs, why should anyone be looking out for those of us who are responsible? Where is the money in that?
The FB’s intended to get rich by going into debt.
Those who made commissions making that possible intended to make money off services and products that were being demanded by stupid people.
Banks, Investment houses, hedge funds all intended to maximize profits and minimize losses based on their assessments of which way the public’s wind was blowing.
There was a lot of intent to profit by everyone… but I find it hard to see it as viable for there to be an intentional design and execution of this bubble and debacle.
Those who mentally revised Guesstimate #1 above to “All the T-Bonds in China” may collect $200 as you pass GO.
Dumb question of the day:
If you “knew” the PPT was going to keep the DJIA propped up above 10K, how would you allocate over asset classes?
Seems like you keep it liquid, and buy stocks when it dips below 10k, and sell when it goes significantly above.
(I’m not that kind of a trader though.)
Stocks don’t seem to dip much below DJIA = 10K these days, do they? How can you buy the dip when dips don’t happen?
DJIA = heart monitor of a dead patient -flatline at ten grand.
I see no reason stints cannot be used to fluff the DJIA back up above 10K going forward…what’s the big deal if it has to stay parked against a temporarily moderate-priced plateau for a while?
Did just last week. Good chance they will today.
P.S. Lil’ Sis is “that kind of trader.” She is in a heightened state of panic these days regarding her market timing decisions…
That’s why I’m not that kind of trader. There’s only so much stress I can handle. I tried it for a while, and decided it wasn’t for me.
My portfolio allocation is on autopilot. I check it once a year to make sure my accounts still exist…
I don’t think they will keep it up above 10K forever.
1) Dropping it again might let them get another Bailout, and more free money is always good for banksters.
2) They prefer churn to steady growth. Steady growth allows the middle class to make money over time and have a retirement; they don’t want that.
What they want is a chaotic market with wild swings (that they control) where you end up 10 years later not having made a dime on your investments. In the meantime, they create various crisis (or they happen on their own), and the people are steered from one malinvestment to another while fees are skimmed off from each trade on the way. In the end, the banksters get rich from the fees (and because they know which way the market will go in most cases), while the average investor has his investments yield next to nothing over 10 years and has lost even more money to fees.
“I don’t think they will keep it up above 10K forever.”
Probably just up until the point when enough greater fools have caught themselves falling knives to let ‘er drop to a new, temporarily-lower plateau…
“Churn” is the magic word. It was at the heart of the housing bubble as well as the disintegration J6P’s wages.
Happy New Year!
I note that a country with household savings (like the U.S. was circa 1980) is in a much better position to weather a period of central bank tightening than is one with no savings.
The Financial Times
China’s surprise monetary tightening shatters calm
By Jamie Chisholm, Global Markets Commentator
Published: February 12 2010 08:33 | Last updated: February 12 2010 15:26
15:25 GMT. Hopes that the European Union’s promise to stand by Greece would deliver a period of relative market calm were shattered on Friday after further monetary tightening by China saw traders suddenly cut risky positions.
The dollar soared, and equities and commodities fell back after Beijing used the eve of the nation’s week-long Lunar New Year holiday to reveal it was raising banks’ reserve requirements by another 50 basis points in order to rein in rampant lending.
“The message coming out of China in recent weeks has been quite clear - policymakers are becoming more concerned about containing inflationary expectations and managing the risk of asset price bubbles as a result of last year’s aggressive expansion of credit,” said Jing Ulrich, managing director of China equities and commodities at JPMorgan.
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EDITOR’S CHOICE
China worries weigh on Wall Street - Feb-12
China tightening curtails London’s bank rally - Feb-12
China orders banks to raise reserve ratios - Feb-12
Short View: Why credit spreads matter - Feb-11
Nikkei gains as traders says Greek worries are priced in - Feb-12
Europe looks to tap US investors - Feb-11
If china holds a huge pile of dollars and they want to use them before inflation strikes, wouldn’t it be in their best interest to cause some massive deflations. Then they could come in and buy up America with their cash.
This of course ignores the massive unemployment it would cause in China. They’d have to use some of the money to prevent massive unemployment.
Would you guys follow the advice of a newsletter whose authors did not even follow their own advice? Sounds crazy…
Peter Brimelow
Feb. 11, 2010, 12:01 a.m. EST
Nate Pile is nervous but not panicked … yet
Commentary: Letter with strong record sees stocks near danger levels
- Gold hit hard, but bugs buoyant
- Market direction in next few weeks crucial
By Peter Brimelow, MarketWatch
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Nate is nervous. But he’s nervous a lot and still has a strong stock market record.
In fact, Nate Pile of the Nate’s Notes service was also nervous when I last checked in — when the Dow Jones Industrial Average was also around 10,000. ( See Oct. 15, 2009, column.) But he stuck with stocks and had a great year.
Over the past 12 months, Nate’s Notes is up 65.56% by Hulbert Financial Digest count compared to 34.93% for the dividend-reinvested Wilshire 5000 Total Stock Market Index.
Nate’s Notes even has some claim to have anticipated, nervously, the Crash of 2008. ( See Mark Hulbert’s Sept. 11, 2009, column.) But, as happens surprisingly often in this business, the letter didn’t follow its own advice and had a disastrous year: down 42.3% versus a fall of 37.2% for the total return Wilshire 5000.
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L.A. mayor urges new round of city job cuts ~ February 12, 2010
Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa announced a second round of city job cuts Thursday — between 1,200 and 2,000 positions — and warned that much deeper layoffs would be needed if the City Council and employee unions failed to act quickly on proposals to cut payroll costs, trim services and auction city assets.
“Antonio Villaraigosa”
There used to be a horrible troll by that name who posted here circa 2006, deriding anyone who pointed out the incipient CA housing crash as a ‘mushroom.’ I hope some day to learn from Ben whether it was really the LA mayor, or merely an impersonator (I have always assumed the latter!)…
speaking of trolls…what happened to eddie?
maybe he is vacationing in greece.
Let sleeping dogs lie.
+1
The duration of his absence has been better than expected.
Gotta say the quality of discussion on the HBB has skyrocketed since the noise died down…
He’s busy hosting gold parties to supplement his income.
market pulse
Feb. 12, 2010, 10:01 a.m. EST
Americans more pessimistic about economy: UMich
By Rex Nutting
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Ameican consumers were more pessimitic about the path of the economy in February, according to media reports of a survey released Friday by the University of Michigan and Reuters. The UMich index fell to 73.7 in February from 74.4 in January.
ITEM: “The banks that are on the front lines of small-business lending are about to get hit by a tidal wave of commercial-loan failures,” said Elizabeth Warren, a law professor at Harvard University who heads the TARP oversight panel.
~ These little items keep jumping out at us. Some 3,000 small banks are in trouble with un-collectible commercial loans…shopping centers gone sour, etc…and these enterprises cannot bail themselves out by borrowing more money. Moreover, the banks won’t be in a position to lend it to them. More evidence that the “unwinding” of the distortions in the economy will take time. Lots of it.
A closely watched pot never boils over.
A closely watched pot never boils over.
Does this include if you are in the pot?
In that case, you are a frog who’d better jump out if he can before the water boils for too long.
“…More evidence that the “unwinding” of the distortions in the economy will take time”
Geez, sound so simple,…unwind + time…guess Ms Warren never fished,…quit fooling around trying to unwind the “ball of confusion”, cut the dang tangled mess, tie on a new “hook” and get back to “landin’ ‘em” again.
I was browsing Craigslist, the post-Super Bowl listings have arrived.
It’s a motley mix of unrealistic FSBO wishing prices, Accidental LLs looking for tenants, and now scam RE outfits offering fixer-uppers -
starting at $125k.
We don’t need no stinkin’ expensive fixeruppers - here’s one that is still overpriced at $45k:
http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/222-Bethel-Ave_Aston_PA_19014_1113209749
Agreed. Especially when you consider that Aston isn’t exactly the upscale capital of suburban Philadelphia.
I drive by that place all the time. It’s been on the market for quite some time, if it’s gotten offers over $25k I’d be surprised.
It’s got teardown written all over it.
Agreed. The sagging roof line is the biggest clue. Also looks like some previous bad remodeling and small chopped up rooms.
No landscaping either. A tree or 2 would have helped.
That place looks like it should have a “Silence of the Lambs” dungeon pit beneath it too.
Greek Slump Threatens Debt Plan, EU Aid Elusive.
Friday, 12 Feb 2010 ~ Reuters
Greece’s economy shrank more than feared last quarter and the government on Friday sharply revised down its figures for the previous three quarters as well, increasing doubts about its ability to resolve its debt crisis.
A European Union government source said meetings of the region’s finance ministers next week were unlikely to put together an aid package for Greece, suggesting governments were still unable to decide how to prevent the crisis from hurting financial markets’ faith in the euro zone.
Greek Prime Minister George Papandreou, saying his country had become “a guinea pig in a battle between Europe and the international markets,” blamed bickering among EU bodies for delaying support for his country.
Businesses cut inventories, revealing caution.
Unexpected decline of 0.2 percent in December comes despite rise in sales.
WASHINGTON - Businesses reduced inventories in December, a sign that they remain cautious about the strength and durability of the economic recovery.
The Commerce Department said Friday that businesses trimmed stockpiles by 0.2 percent in December, a weaker performance than the 0.2 percent gain that economists had expected. Total business sales rose 0.9 percent in December following a 2.4 percent increase in November.
Greece: How the Bond Vigilantes Left It in Ruins.
Now, Europe is under pressure to rescue the Greeks while keeping other EU members in line. ~ Business Week
The European Union’s experiment with a single currency is deep in crisis because Europe failed to learn from the Greeks. Not today’s Greeks—the ancient Greeks, specifically Odysseus, the hero of Homer’s epic poem. Odysseus knew his limitations. Realizing he was vulnerable to temptation, he ordered his sailors to tie him to the mast of his ship. That way he could listen to the bewitching song of the Sirens without obeying their call to steer the ship onto the rocks.
Today’s Sirens are the investors and traders of the global bond market, who lure nations into tapping abundant credit at low rates when times are good. If a nation borrows too much, those open-handed investors abruptly turn into vigilantes who punish the country by making new loans scarce and expensive. Greece has fallen into precisely that trap. It got low-interest loans by promising to behave responsibly and keep its budget deficit low.
That gained it admission to the single-currency zone in 2001. But because Greece was never tied to the mast, it kept spending. Its debt is now about 125% of gross domestic product, more than double the supposed EU ceiling. Eventually, all that debt brought down the wrath of the bond-market vigilantes, who drove up yields by betting against Greek debt, precipitating what has become the worst mess for the euro since the single currency’s launch on Jan. 1, 1999.
“Greece: How the Bond Vigilantes Left It in Ruins.”
Wasn’t it Megabank, Inc who made them the subprime sovereign loans?
Why don’t the easy money lenders ever get credit for planting the seeds of a future crisis?
Greece: How the Bond Vigilantes Left It in Ruins.”
Wasn’t it Megabank, Inc who made them the subprime sovereign loans?
Why don’t the easy money lenders ever get credit for planting the seeds of a future crisis?
PB you are assuming that the Bond Vigilantes and easy money lenders are different.
As GS has made evident you can throw out easy money and then short the product and drive it’s price down.
“PB you are assuming that the Bond Vigilantes and easy money lenders are different.”
Good point. Though I immediately think of PimpCo when I read ‘bond vigilante’…
Beautiful analogy for an ugly situation.
Off to work to see patients, one third of whom don’t need to see me!
The EU really needs Russia to join the party. Russia knows how to keep ‘union’ members in line, and they have the firepower to enforce the rules.
It got low-interest loans by promising to behave responsibly and keep its budget deficit low.
Yeah - Don’t follow your through on your promises and bad things happen…
Clueless in the Capital Meets Small-Business Ire: Caroline Baum
Feb. 11 (Bloomberg) — “Washington doesn’t get it.”
That generic statement is tripping off the tongues of populists and Tea Partiers, business groups and bankers alike. In short, the public is peeved at the politicians.
I heard it this week from William Dunkelberg, chief economist of the National Federation of Independent Business, who used his group’s latest survey to opine on Washington’s deaf ear for helping small business.
The president and Congress “pay lip service to the fact that small business generates half of private-sector GDP and employs 60 percent or more of private-sector workers,” Dunkelberg says. As far as Washington’s efforts to help this sector of the economy, “instead of stimulus, give consumers a tax cut,” he says.
Well duh! Corporate America wants to get rid of every mom-n-pop business and replace it with the chain/franchise model.
How many people still get the following goods or services from a mom-n-pop biz?
Hair cuts
Oil changes
Fast food
Appliances
Furniture
Retail pharmacy
Tax prep
Electronics (PC’s, etc.)
Retail hardware
Clothing
Shoes
Coffee
Add yours here [ ]
..small business generates half of private-sector GDP and employs 60 percent or more of private-sector workers…
How can that be if they are in competition with big corporations? I suggest the two aren’t in competition. Small business does things only small businesses can do.
Hair cuts
Oil changes
Fast food
Appliances
Furniture
Retail pharmacy
Tax prep
Electronics (PC’s, etc.)
Retail hardware
Clothing
Shoes
Coffee
Hair cuts: Local business that’s a mile away.
Oil changes: Don’t have a car.
Fast food: Don’t eat it.
Appliances: Pretty much bought locally.
Furniture. See comment re: appliances.
Retail pharmacy: Tucson has quite a chain infestation.
Tax prep: I use a local CPA.
Electronics: Guilty of buying online.
Retail hardware: Depends what it is. I like the local places for plumbing supplies. Otherwise, it’s Ace Hardware, Home Cheapo, or Lowes.
Clothing: Rarely buy it at retail. Prefer yard sales.
Shoes: Local stores. We still have ‘em here.
Coffee: Don’t drink it.
Majority of small business = easy credit bubble jobs
When easy money is gone
Cut your own hair
Mow your own lawn
Skip tanning salon and manacure
Skip plastic surgery
No more nick nacks from China or perfumed soap
Exercise at home
Staycations
Keep the car until it falls apart
Fix your own car change your own oil
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Man Up, Obama, or Make Way for President Palin: David Reilly
Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) — President Barack Obama is starting to look like the second coming of Jimmy Carter. If he’s going to avoid that fate, the president had better take radical action — and fast.
That means doing more than offering belated talk about jobs, or waging ineffectual on-again, off-again bank warfare. What, after all, is the point of bashing Wall Street only to then blow bonus kisses to JPMorgan Chase & Co. chief Jamie Dimon and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. head Lloyd Blankfein?
Obama needs to ditch his professorial, community-organizer mien and start cracking some heads. Unless, that is, he is intent on paving the way for a Palin presidency in 2013.
Supporters are crying out for Obama to pull out of his tailspin. In an article in Politico, Douglas Wilder, the nation’s first African-American governor and an early Obama supporter, urged the president to get his act together.
“The need is becoming more obvious by the day,” Wilder wrote. “Getting elected and getting things done for the people are two different jobs.”
Obama’s lack of resolve even makes comparisons to Carter seem charitable. Financial blogger Eric Salzman argued that we haven’t seen such a lack of leadership “in the White House since our 15th president, James Buchanan, stood by and let the country dissolve into Civil War while trying to appease everyone.”
What’s to be done? Here are three ways for Obama to man up, chart a new course and avert the kind of debacle that tarnished his party in the eyes of a generation of voters.
Learn From Clinton
– Bring congressional Democrats to heel with a Sister Souljah moment.
“Palin presidency in 2013″: lol
Palin / Jeb 2012!
Sarah the Barracuda: “Why, I can see a better eCONomy coming our sweet way, just over that new fence we built along Southern Texas border…”
Rash & Limpbaughs: “I want all you Independant to PeeParty “TrueAnger™” tea toadellers to go out and register repubican”
Hwy50ina49Dodge
God, I am glad I became a political atheist. As an ex-GOP member, that party is truly clueless. Not like the Dems are any better.
“Rash & Limpbaughs” lol
Speaking from my families POV, my “Catholic- GOP” “millionaire” siblings can pretty much be distinguished by x2 glaring human behavior traits:
con⋅de⋅scend⋅ing
/ˌkɒndəˈsɛndɪŋ/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kon-duh-sen-ding] Show IPA
–adjective
showing or implying a usually patronizing descent from dignity or superiority
hyp⋅o⋅crite
/ˈhɪpəkrɪt/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [hip-uh-krit] Show IPA
–noun
a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
Myself, …I go up in the tree-house with a bottle of wine and have a good laugh at ‘em
i’m 40 years old and my life experience suggest that condescension and hypocricy are traits that are not quite exclusive the those human beings of the republican, catholic or millionaire persuasion.
The preface:
Speaking from my families POV…
Hwy,
Quite a few of my family members are wealthy Attorneys . They aren’t very nice people.They can keep their egos and $.
I can just about now hear Olygal, chimming in with something about a bohemian frolick in the forest. I really miss that gal.
I don’t understand why there is so much focus on Palin. Her chances of gaining the Republican nomination in 2012 are slim at best. If I were a Dem loyalist, I would totally look past all the media (and White House) attention she is getting, and focus on determining the candidate who presents the real threat.
(If there is such an animal at this moment in time.) Who knows, could be Hillary intending to have another go at it.
As for 0bama bringing the congressional Dems to heel, he wouldn’t hurt himself by distancing himself from Pelosi and Reid.
Right now there’s too much of an impression of an Unholy Trinity occurring in the minds of the populace.
I think you are correct, in that Palin would not be nominated. She is a complete waste of time IMO. The big problem the repulicants have is they don’t have anyone, except well worn retreads.
The democraps have pretty much screwed themselves. Barry’s a one term-er and who knows ‘ol Hillary may take a stab at it.
Reid should be toast this go round. The toilet is going to get flushed.
I wish we could have a Calvin Coolidge reincarnation.
Barry’s a one term-er and who knows ‘ol Hillary may take a stab at it.
Slim’s prediction, which is based on the Reagan presidency in 1982: The economy wasn’t very good back then. And, despite the lovely stories we hear now, Reagan was well on his way to becoming a one-term President. Something about unemployment getting worse after he took office, his age, and the rumors about his less-than-robust recovery after the 1981 assassination attempt.
Yet Reagan was re-elected in 1984. Yes, I’ll admit that less than half the eligible electorate voted for him, but he did win a second term.
What happened? Well, for one thing, the business cycle started turning up. And the Democrats gave him a wonderful gift in the form of a weak opponent, Walter Mondale.
I predict that both an economic upturn and a weak Republican opponent will work in Obama’s favor in 2012.
Sadly, the “recovery” will be fake and built on a mountain of more debt, but that never stopped America before?!
Caribou Barbi ?
That moniker is pure flattery.
The woman bearly has the brains of a warm moose turd.
Heck, I’d love for the republicans to run her.
( and no…I am NOT a paid agent for the Chinese, Russians or al qaeda)
mikey
you’re killing me
“Caribou Barbi ?”
too funny. lol
Speculation about a bubble in the housing market just looks wrongheaded. Although housing market activity is certainly at elevated levels, there’s little basis for believing that it will suddenly ratchet downward. The elements of a bubble-like condition simply don’t exist, and the laborious nature of real estate transactions is so great that liquidations are extremely unlikely to occur en masse.
Gee, an optimistic article on housing from thestreet.com….
Patrick K. posted it this morning.
http://www.thestreet.com/p/rmoney/crescenzioncredit/10019694.html?source=patrick.net
Yesterday, while sitting and waiting at the DMV for my # to be called up, I sat by an IRS agent. (recent college grad-low demand major) 20 something, tattoo on her hip, and totally clueless. She claims she has had her UHS bid on *90+ REO homes, even above the list, and she didn’t get one. She said her Agent is older, and is guiding her like a father. More like the devil wears a name pin. She went on to give me the lowdown on REO’s. As Paco Trinadad (Author- book title “Lecturing Birds On Flying”- Leverage/Quants), here’s some kia lecturing a real adult.
*embellishment I hope
awaiting wipeout,
? How did it come to pass you could actually ’see’ the tat on her hip ( of all places? ) I realize you may be in FL ( isn’t it snowing in GA? ) but is it perfectly acceptable to wear a bikini to the DMV where you live?
Was the tatoo a ReMax logo, by chance?
DinOR-
I’m in So Ca, and her hip hugger pants not only showed her hip tattoo, but also her crack. The girl looked like she just came from a one night stand, if I could be judgemental and honest (not PC). I’m a woman, and I find that look repulsive.
Michael-
That’s the bizarre part, she wasn’t a bus major, and she truly didn’t seem all that bright. But I did learn that Schedule C’s are on their radar. I’ve noticed the IRS is hiring like mad. They all think they can never lose their jobs. I’m not so sure at this point.
“I’m in So Ca, and her hip hugger pants not only showed her hip tattoo, but also her crack.”
Once, when I went camping, I got up at the crack of Dawn.
This manner of dress is quite common here in Tucson. I don’t think it’s appropriate. But, then again, the people who espouse this style don’t check in with me.
is she is an IRS agent i am assuming she has an accounting degree…pretty recession resistant carreer IMHO.
it takes just as much work to tell someone they are losing a billion dollars as it does to tell them they are making a billion dollars.
File under: “When Gov’t & Business clash”… or… “Dude, you guys are interfering with FREE Enterprise!”
Shop owners: Border Patrol spooking customers:
By BRITTANY LEVINE, the OC Register
“Some business owners at a San Juan Capistrano shopping center say routine checks by the U.S. Border Patrol are scaring away customers and hurting their bottom lines.”
“…Acosta, a paralegal who focuses on immigration law, said he is thinking about moving to another shopping center. The Border Patrol’s effect, combined with the slumping economy, has decreased his client base by hundreds, he said.”
..is thinking about moving to another shopping center…
If his clientele is illegals, I suggest he move his office south of the border.
What, and risk getting kidnapped?… doesn’t sound like a good “bidness” decsion to me.
Aw gee, that’s just a shame, ain’t it?
Consumer Sentiment Index in U.S. Declined in February
Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) — Confidence among U.S. consumers unexpectedly fell in February from a two-year high, signaling Americans may not be convinced the job market is turning around.
The Reuters/University of Michigan preliminary consumer sentiment index dropped to 73.7 from January’s 74.4. The measure averaged 88.9 during the economic expansion that ended in December 2007.
China Urges U.S. to Cancel Obama-Dalai Lama Meeting Next Week.
Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) — China called on the U.S. to cancel a meeting between President Barack Obama and the Dalai Lama next week at the White House, saying it is “firmly” opposed to the event.
The Chinese government has had “stern” exchanges with the U.S. on the matter, Foreign Ministry spokesman Ma Zhaoxu today said in a statement from Beijing. White House press secretary Robert Gibbs yesterday said the meeting with the Tibetan spiritual leader will take place on Feb. 18.
I forecast more Chinese central bank tightening ahead if the U.S. does not honor this request.
I think you are correct. This Dalai Lama meet up is really twisting their nipples.
i’m ya’ huckleberry.
(would love to see obama say that)
US refuses to cancel Obama’s Dalai Lama meeting
(AFP) – 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON — The White House Friday rejected China’s demand for US President Barack Obama to cancel his meeting next week with Tibet’s exiled spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama.
White House spokesman Robert Gibbs was asked to react to China’s warning that going ahead with the meeting would severely challenge already strained ties between the two powers.
“I do not know if their specific reaction was to cancel it,” Gibbs said. “If that was their specific reaction, the meeting will take planned as place next Thursday.”
http://www.tmz.com/2010/02/12/brian-austin-green-trouble-on-the-home-front/
Megan Fox’s boyfriend is an FB - he’s $70K behind on his mortgage payments as (allegedly) part of a clever strategy to force his lender to agree to a short sale - he bought at the peak of the market in 2006 and now wants to bail.
I don’t blame him - he was distracted.
Dumb & Dumber
About time for a clever ChinIndia entrepreneur to place a winning bet on this RE purchase..the just have to change the H yo a B
Really? Hollywood sign covered to halt homes
February 11th, 2010, posted by Jeff Collins OC Register
“The famed Hollywood sign, once created to promote a housing development, now faces encroachment by a new housing development.
The land was purchased by industrialist Howard Hughes in 1940 to build a home for movie star Ginger Rogers, his intended bride. When that relationship ended, Hughes kept the land, and in 2002, his estate sold it to the investors who now own it. Two years ago, they put it on the market for $22 million, but it hasn’t sold. It is zoned for four homesites.”
Yep, that sounds like the Hollywood “escort” mindset, alright.
By Paul B. Farrell, MarketWatch
ARROYO GRANDE, Calif. (MarketWatch) — Wake up investors. Are you prepared for the economic anarchy coming after a global-debt time bomb explodes? Are you thinking outside the box? Investing differently? Act now — tomorrow will be too late.
Start by looking past the endless cable skirmishes between Rush, Glenn, Bill and Shawn versus Harry, Nancy, Ben and Barack. Look way past the insurgency bonding Sarah and her diehard Tea Party revolutionaries with Ron Paul’s Neo-Reaganite ideologues, Fat-Cat Bankers and the Party of No, all planning a massive frontal assault on the 2010 elections, hell-bent on destroying the presidency. All that’s the sideshow.
Europe’s debt woes won’t recede
European stocks managed to look somewhere other than Greece, Spain and Portugal early Monday, but don’t bet on that lasting.
The Big One is coming soon, bigger than the 2000 dot-com crash and the 2008 subprime credit meltdown combined. A huge market blowout. And as Bloomberg-BusinessWeek predicts: “The results won’t be pretty for investors or elected officials.”
After the global-debt bomb explodes don’t expect a typical bear correction followed by a new bull. Wall Street’s toxic pseudo-capitalism is imploding. Be prepared for a massive meltdown. Yes, already the third major bubble-bust of the 21st century, triggered once again by Wall Street’s out-of-control Fat Cat Bankers. And it’s dead ahead.
Ron Paul’s Neo-Reaganite ideologues
So… I sense this is a new thing - an attempt to discredit Ron Paul’s followers by calling them “Neo-Reaganites”. I keep seeing this reference lately. WTF? Sorry, but Ron Paul and Reagan are not even close w/respect to most ideals.
Look way past the insurgency bonding Sarah and her diehard Tea Party revolutionaries with Ron Paul’s Neo-Reaganite ideologues
Several things wrong with this statement. First, the so-called Tea Party revolutionaries are mostly an ignorant, manipulated rabble. They have been co-opted by the same establishment Republican operatives who threw the middle and working classes in this country under the bus. And while Sarah Palin may say some of the right things, when her note cards tell her to, she doesn’t seem to have an original thought in her head.
As far as Reagan, many or most RP supporters have not conferred sainthood on him like the GOP establishment has done. He exploded the deficit, made ill-advised intrusions into foreign conflicts like Lebanon, and surrounded himself with some very dubious advisors and operatives. A true conservative he was not.
Excellent points, Sammy and p’man. I’ll pile on:
hell-bent on destroying the presidency.
According to the MSM, whenever anyone opposes a Democratic president on anything, they’re trying to destroy, not just an incumbent, but the very institution of the presidency itself. But when a Repub is president, the critics are the righteous opposition, bravely exercising their Constitutional rights of free speech.
As far as Reagan, many or most RP supporters have not conferred sainthood on him like the GOP establishment has done. He exploded the deficit, made ill-advised intrusions into foreign conflicts like Lebanon, and surrounded himself with some very dubious advisors and operatives. A true conservative he was not.
+1
See my post above. I honestly think people intentionally tie RP and RR together in order to discredit RP supporters.
Packman,
The corrupt, contemptible GOP establishment has been targeting Ron Paul in a big way. As a principled adherent to Constitutional, Republican principles who refuses to sell out to the neo-cons and K Street whores, he’s a bone in their throat. Sarah Palin has endorsed Rand Paul’s Senate campaign, and the GOP is trying to use her as a Judas Goat to lead the tea partiers back into the fold, but most RP supporters see right through Palin and the GOP machinations.
There is an estimated between 50-60 TRILLION dollars of derivatives still flapping in the wind out there.
That’s the GDP for the ENTIRE world for the next 10-20 years.
Among other hidden and non-regulated investments totaling “who-the-hell-really-knows-hows-much-but-it’s-a-lot” that will never be paid off.
How do you THINK that’s gonna play out? Hint: “quantitative easing” is not the answer.
Some knowledgeable person on this blog stated last year that credit default swaps have expiration dates so may not be as big a problem as thought two years ago. That said, they’re still being actively traded and are unregulated.
February 2000.
Nasdaq reached its zenith.
Gold was near its low. Series I savings bond fixed rates were above 3%. Everyone was laughing at gold buyers and savings bonds buyers.
9/11/2001:
After the terrorism, more and more people started “cocooning,” (Faith Popcorn’s term). Buying houses were the rage.
2010:
Gold at a zenith? Not sure yet. But the sleeper investment for the next ten years is health care - your own - through preventive measures. Secondary, my guess, is T-bills, put your new money outside retirement plans into T-bills, reinvest them at maturity. Also stay debt free. And also invest in your own career. Good paying jobs are dwindling.
#1 investment
Energy conservation - Pay for insulation, solar, geothermal, fuel efficient vehicle and appliances, bike, etc in todays dollars. Save much more in inflated energy or energy that just isn’t available.
I bought a really nice bike. I got my dog trained to pull me around on it. I used to ride 6 miles to work on it but that’s pretty suicidal in Miami. If that peak oil thingy ever takes off and traffic calms down a bit I’ll give it another shot.
They featured a guy in the local paper that commutes by bike 30 miles each way every day except for the worst of snow days. The guy claimed to have ridden > 12,000 commuting in the past year. Works for the Dept of Ecology.
I think I would move closer to work.
I stopped driving years ago, and now use my bike for 99% of my transportation needs, very easy to do in my city. I joined Zipcar years ago; if I really need to use a car there is always one within a few minutes walk. It’s amazing how much money you save by ditching the car scam.
“It’s amazing how much money you save by ditching the car scam.”
+1 That’s my plan eventually. For me though it’ll never work unless I return south somewhere. These six month long winters are really tough to live with after living in California most of my life. Zipcar looks like a nice idea too. Thanks!
“But the sleeper investment for the next ten years is health care - your own - through preventive measures.”
That’s my thinking also. Once I retire (about 20 years) there will be no medicare or prescription benefits. Tripple bypass surgery for seniors? Diabetis supplies? Expensive cancer treatments? Unless you can pay cash, up front, forget about all of the above. If you devlop some serious health issues as a senior, like most old folk do, it’ll drain your savings in a hurry.
I quit smoking years ago, excercise daily and eat a reasonably healthy diet, like fruits, vegetables, fish. No more McD, high fructose cornsyrup, partially hydrogenated crap and all the other staples of the American diet.
no sodas either. I quit them for good after reading the latest study of the health dangers - pancreatic cancer. I just drink water with lunches.
Looks like the DOW may turn green by days end. Can’t end the week on a sour note. Go PPT!
PPT has been on fire all week. Go guys, go!
Oil Declines After Report Shows Increase in Crude Inventories:
February 12, 2010, By Margot Habiby
Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) — Crude oil futures fell after a U.S. government report showed a bigger-than-forecast increase in inventories.
BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)
Let’s make a list perhaps there’s a “pattern”:
1. Dow 10K
2. Oil $70.00
3. Gas $3.00
4. Unemployment 14%
5.
It used to be a big bad snowstorm reaked “Havoc” on oil prices, not so much anymore…
Why Obama May Back Down On Tax Hikes for the Rich.
Congress may do what it does best — postpone a tough decision until next year. ~ Kiplinger
What a difference a year makes. Twelve months ago, the conventional wisdom was that President Obama and the Democratic controlled Congress would have their way with tax policy, ramming through tax increases on upper income folks and businesses. Now, with Democrats having lost their supermajority in the Senate, tax hikes seem to be squarely on the back burner. Instead, Job No. 1 is boosting the economy. That means tax cuts, and lots of them.
Democratic leaders are so worried about the outcome of the midterm elections that they’re determined to quickly pass a new package of economic stimulus measures, the centerpiece of which is likely to be a credit for hiring the unemployed — a break that just a few months ago was nixed because of doubts that it would work as intended and fears that it could too easily be abused. And that’s not all: Among other things, small businesses can expect Congress to revive two popular breaks for one more year: 50% bonus first-year depreciation and the higher $250,000 limit on so-called Sec. 179 expensing of assets.
The Democrats had a super majority for about 1 year. What did they accomplish? Other than bailing out cat fat bankers, wasting $787 billion on ridiculous programs and guaranteeing FREDDIE & FANNIE for up to $4 trillion with taxpayer money they accomplished nothing. In short, they stuck it to the tax payer while enriching their campaign donors.
If my memory serves me right the last crew didn’t do much better. We’re screwed…
A three headed hydra, the democratic and republican heads grow back after you cut them off. The only way to kill the beast is to cut off the banking head.
Nice visual.
Wrong Mike. The Dems did NOT have super majority. They barely had a majority at all and then only by the technicality of the indpendents.
They need a gubner like this in California…
N.J. Gov. Christie Freezes Spending.
With State’s Budget In ‘Shambles,’ New Governor Slices Into School Surpluses, NJ Transit Subsidies; Dems Furious. ~ (CBS)
The snow isn’t the only thing that’s causing a chill in the Garden State.
Calling New Jersey’s budget a “shambles,” Gov. Chris Christie announced Thursday he is immediately freezing all state spending.
Saying New Jersey is on the verge of bankruptcy, Christie declared a fiscal emergency, announcing drastic cuts. Among them, aid to school districts that have excess surpluses.
“…aid to school districts that have excess surpluses.”
that will be the last time any government related program shows anything close to a surplus in the state of NJ.
Palin / Nader 2012!
(More fodder for the PeeParty “TrueAnger™” tea toaderlers)
Regulators Hired by Toyota Helped Halt Investigations:
Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) — Former regulators hired by Toyota Motor Corp. helped end at least four U.S. investigations of unintended acceleration by company vehicles in the last decade, warding off possible recalls, court and government records show.
Looks like Toyota has been borrowing strategies from the big 3’s playbook.
Los Angeles Judge Warns of 300 Lay Offs ~ Feb 12, 2010
Presiding Judge Tim McCoy, of the Los Angeles Superior Court, has said that the court will lay off 300 people or more in March. The court employs more than 5,500 people and will have a $79 million deficit in 2010. McCoy said the deficit is expected to increase to $130 million. McCoy said that unless they receive external help from budget cuts that have been imposed on the courts lay offs will probably be inevitable.
In March 330 employees may be laid off. By June 30th, 485 positions will be lost and in September the court may lay off 500.
After the 2 blizzards in 1 week here in MD, there is going to be a little construction boom … so much damage to gutters, roofs, etc … We usually get 18 inches of snow a year and we’re already over 80″ …The damage in my neighborhood is incredible.
I was thinking that as well. Also the area nurseries are going to do *really* well this spring, with all the tree and shrub damage that has happened.
Well, that’s a “green shoot” I can believe in!
This is so special… Gubmint Motors is sh!t canning an American company to move to Mexico. Go team Barry!
Union: 135-worker Columbia City parts factory to close.
Associated Press Report ~ Feb 12, 2010
COLUMBIA CITY, Ind. (AP) — A union official says about 135 people will be out of work as a northeastern Indiana auto parts factory shuts down.
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It will be the second time in a year that Fort Wayne Foundry Corp. has closed its Columbia City plant.
The company restarted the factory in July, weeks after it laid off more than 600 workers by closing plants in Fort Wayne and Columbia City.
United Auto Workers Local 2242 vice president Dave Moore says it was told by the company that General Motors was moving the work to Mexico.
The foundry makes water pumps and other parts for GM.
I’d bet UAW Local 2242 vice president Dave Moore fought long and hard for the union workers, and didn’t give an inch! Not a penny!
..and Dave still has a job, so all is well.
My failing memory dimly recalls the reason General Motors had to be rescued was because American jobs were at stake.
yeah.. one estimate was 2 or 3 million jobs would be put at risk if US auto manufacturing were to collapse?
hmm.. i need to look that up. My memory sux..
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Many estimates say “One in 10 American jobs is related to auto manufacturing..” Roughly 14 million?
Here’s one from a NYT blog (?) but it’s got links to the Washington Post, CBS news, and other references that said basically the same thing:
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November 17, 2008, 8:57 pm
….The statistic seems to indicate that 10 percent of American jobs – a total of roughly 14 million jobs, if you’re just looking at the Bureau of Labor Statistics non-farm payroll report – could evaporate if the Detroit Three are allowed to fail. But that’s not actually what the statistic refers to…
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/how-many-jobs-depend-on-the-big-three/
No news here wmbz. This has been happening for 30 years and was the vanguard of offshoring and a major cornerstone of J6P’s wage collapse.
The big difference is GM was not owned in large part by the U.S. gubmint!
ATHENS (Reuters) - Greece’s economy shrank more than feared last quarter and the government on Friday sharply revised down its figures for the previous three quarters as well, increasing doubts about its ability to resolve its debt crisis.
Do you think Greece has learned a thing or two from Wall Street.
You better bail us out or this whole sucker could go down.
Greece was run by a military junta between 1967 and 1974.
“Unstable” is their middle name.
Up until 1963, the Turks had direct, but shared, power of the nation.
Pat Buchanan sees it this way: “Some are angry over unchecked immigration and the failure to control our borders and send the illegals back. Some are angry over the loss of manufacturing jobs. Some are angry over winless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Some are angry over ethnic preferences they see as favoring minorities over them.
“What they agree upon, however, is that they have been treading water for a decade, working harder and harder with little or no improvement in their family standard of living. They see the government as taking more of their income in taxes, seeking more control over their institutions, creating entitlements for others not them, plunging the nation into un-payable debt, and inviting inflation or a default that can wipe out what they have saved.”
Commodities Corner
Myra P. Saefong
Feb. 12, 2010, 8:31 a.m. EST
Lumber’s gain is impressive, but its foundation’s not set
Robin Hood and Goldman Sachs, the movie
By Myra P. Saefong, MarketWatch
TOKYO (MarketWatch) — It’s tough to say that lumber’s climb to its highest price level in more than two years is built on solid ground.
After all, U.S. housing starts posted their lowest annual figure since 1945, slumping to 554,000 units in 2009 — the same year in which some experts said lumber demand dropped to the lowest point in modern history. See story on December housing starts.
But there’s a bigger story here that involves everything from actual and expected demand from China and Haiti, to the impact of global stimulus measures and production cutbacks in a market that has supposedly suffered along with the globe’s major economies.
At first glance, the lumber market doesn’t appear very miserable. Charts show that futures prices for lumber climbed to a high above $280 per 1,000 board feet on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange last week, the strongest level the market’s seen since August of 2007.
That marks a more than 60% climb from a year ago even though the home-building situation hasn’t really improved.
“Housing is still weak, yet lumber remains firm,” said Patrick Kerr, a managing director at Amerifutures Commodities & Options. That could mean a lot of things.
Maybe it’s an early indicator of an uptick in housing or due to a possibly strong spring housing season ahead of the expiration of the new home buyers’ tax credit on April 30, he said. It may also signal new demand from China, which has new construction laws allowing the use of lumber.
Either way, lumber’s strength indicates “true underlying demand [and] … could be an early sign that our economy is turning up,” said Kerr.
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Snow in Charleston S.C., snow in Rome, where the hell is owlgore? Off on his hamster powered 100ft’ house boat? We have so many questions, that only a self qualified bull sh!t artist and scam master can answer.
What do we do, it’s winter and it’s cold. Throw us a life line here Al, what’s next? Rising oceans, melting ice capes, should we sell our beach front home and buy three rows back?
OU Student Collecting Pictures of Snow in All 50 States ~ Feb 11, 2010
NORMAN, Oklahoma — A University of Oklahoma student is taking an extra interest in this week’s snow storms in the south and northeast and is working to document the events in a very unique way.
Patrick Marsh said it’s likely by the end of the week snow will be on the ground in all 50 states.
From Ardmore all the way to Dallas and even in Louisiana, the south is snowed in. For many, it’s a winter wonderland in places that rarely see such weather. But none of it comes close to the mess up north where two blizzards have blown through in a week.
Weather like this is why Marsh is studying to be a meteorologist. Even as the snow fell outside the National Weather Center in Norman, inside Marsh was tracking what could be a rare winter weather phenomenon.
Marsh, a student employee at the NOAA’s National Severe Storms Laboratory in Norman, is currently trying to collect photos of snow on the ground in all 50 states.
“On Friday afternoon, I’m going to begin asking for photos of the snow,” Marsh said. “Hopefully I’ll get photos from all 50 states, and if I do, I’ll put them into a Google Earth map and make a snow snapshot of America.”
Can’t get any pictures from here. We are 75 miles south of the
Canadian border and there is no snow to be seen. The mountain snow pack is around 40% of normal.
I grew up in Big D, and I cannot imagine 12′ there. Talk about a zoo.
Hawaii didn’t cooperate.
America’s Top Places for Boomers to Retire.
http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-retirement/article/108827/americas-top-places-to-retire?mod=fidelity-livingretirement
Just what Tucson needs. More retirees.
At least they bring money with them.
Houston’s January sales tax allocation down 12%
Houston Business Journal ~ February 12, 2010,
Houston will have to continue to pinch pennies as its allocation of sales tax revenue from the state for the month of January declines again, according to figures released Friday by the Texas Comptroller.
The city will receive $51.4 million, down 12.4 percent from $58.7 million in January 2009. This is the third straight month of double-digit declines in the Bayou City’s portion of sales tax revenue.
Overall, the state collected $1.66 billion in sales tax last month, down 14.2 percent from the same month last year.
Texas Comptroller Susan Combs said she expects to see some revenue growth to return during the second quarter.
“Collections continue to be down in major industry sectors like retail trade, oil and natural gas production, construction and manufacturing,” she said in a statement.
Texas Comptroller Susan Combs said she expects to see some revenue growth to return during the second quarter.
She’s dreaming.
“She’s dreaming.”
The ladies don’t bother with dreams; they have fantasies.
100 facing layoffs as Uniondale company moves
February 12, 2010 Newsday ~ Long Island
Uniondale-based Interstate National Dealer Services Inc., which sells extended warranties for vehicles and boats, has filed a plant closing notice with the state Department of Labor, saying it will lay off 100 workers by early May and will move to Georgia.
Damn, they must have some dainty bottoms in the UK.
Store unveils cashmere toilet paper.
LONDON, Feb. 11 (UPI) — A high-end British supermarket promises its latest brand of toilet paper, made with cashmere, is “the most luxurious yet.”
Carla Smith, buyer for supermarket Waitrose, said the cashmere paper is the latest in a line that includes toilet paper with aloe vera and jojoba extracts, The Sun reported Thursday.
“Cashmere provides that stamp of quality to any fashion garment, from a designer suit to the finest luxury knitwear,” Smith said. “It’s indulgent, it’s stylish and it’s helping provide that extra softness to our new premium bathroom tissue collection.”
..The cashmere toilet paper retails for $3.60 for a pack of four rolls or, for the budget-conscious shopper, $7.52 for a nine-pack.
.. how can it be cheaper than Charmin..
According to Wiki, the country that is the leading producer of cashmere is…
China.
Georgian Olympic Men’s Luger Dies in Training Crash.
Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) — Georgian luge slider Nodar Kumaritashvili died after a high-speed crash during the final training run for the men’s singles event at the Winter Olympics, the Associated Press reported.
Kumaritashvili, 21, was thrown off his sled and collided with an unpadded steel support pole outside the track today near Whistler, British Columbia. In video replays of the crash, Kumaritashvili appeared to hit his head on the pole and lay motionless after contact.
What a terrible tragedy…
Rap is not, nor has ever been music…
Brazil mayor bans funk, rap music as Carnival begins. ~ Feb 12, 2010
RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) - A mayor of a Brazilian town has banned Carnival revelers from playing funk or rap music during the traditionally free-wheeling celebrations that kick off around the country on Friday.
Mayor Jose Neto of Sao Lourenco in southeastern Minas Gerais state told Globo television he was banning songs that incite violence and disrespect authority and wanted to protect more traditional Carnival music, such as samba.
Anyone caught listening to funk — a pounding beat often with sexual lyrics popular in Rio de Janeiro’s slums — or rap during the Carnival period would have to turn it off or face arrest and up to six months in prison, he reportedly said.
“They are mass gatherings that demand better coordination, control and security that a public festival like Carnival doesn’t allow us to adopt,” Neto told Globo TV.
Funk music has long been frowned upon by police and city authorities in Rio and faced crackdowns because of its association with slum gangs who use parties to sell drugs. But the music form, which originated in U.S. slums in the late 1960s, has increasingly found a mainstream following in Brazil and as far away as Europe.
Funk music has long been frowned upon by police and city authorities in Rio and faced crackdowns because of its association with slum gangs who use parties to sell drugs. But the music form, which originated in U.S. slums in the late 1960s, has increasingly found a mainstream following in Brazil and as far away as Europe.
The very gar-bazh that woke me up at 3:45 this morning. Seems that some boom-boom hooptie driver was visiting our neighborhood. I couldn’t tell where the boompa-boompa bass was coming from, so I couldn’t call 911 to report.
Alfa Romeo may return to N.America within 2 years ~ Feb 12, 2010
TORONTO (Reuters) - Alfa Romeo is likely to return to North America by 2012 after a 15-year hiatus, the head of Fiat SpA (FIA.MI), the company that makes the classic Italian sports car, said on Friday.
The brand was last sold in the U.S. market in 1995, and Fiat has pushed back its return several times.
“I’m a lot more confident now … that Alfa Romeo will reconstitute a product offering that is acceptable globally, and more in particular in the United States and Canada,” Fiat Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne said in Toronto.
“There is a strong likelihood that the brand will be back here within the next 24 months.”
AP is reporting the Marines in Afghanistan have launched their long-anticipated assault on the Taliban stronghold of Marjah. This could be a bloody battle. Please keep them and their families in your thoughts and prayers.
West Corp. To Lay Off 193 Workers ~ February 12, 2010
OMAHA, Neb.
The layoffs, comprising about 17 percent of the company’s Nebraska call center staff, come in response to the loss of a program. The client using the program decided to move its operations off-shore to save costs, Pleiss said.
He wouldn’t identify the company. All the laid-off employees work in the call center.
Pleiss said about 75 of the laid-off employees will be moved to a program that allows them to do similar work from their homes. He didn’t mention if they’d make the same wages.
This may make sense in Nebraska, the working out of the home part that is.
A Nebraska farm wife wouldn’t have to waste time commuting many miles just to sit in front of a computer in a distant call center when she could just as easily sit in front of a computer without leaving her house.
The Great Highway Robbery Continues: How The FDIC Is Legally Transferring Billions In Taxpayer Money To Hedge Funds
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 02/10/2010 13:57 -0500
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation Insider Trading Mary Schapiro Sheila Bair
It is not a secret to anyone who has been closely following the FDIC’s quasi criminal bank takeover practices over the past year, that acquirors of failed banks end up receiving a massive and risk-free gift in the form of taxpayer benefits via the FDIC when it comes to funding losses on a given bank acquisition. Should there be a short sale resulting in a loss to the full principal (not the cost basis mind you)? Not to worry, Sheila Bair is there to hand out taxpayer money to the hedge funds/banks owning the newly transferred assets. A recent example of this was the glaring insider trading which preceded the acquisition of failed AmTrust Bank by New York Community Bancorp, in which both NYB and those who bought calls in advance of information being made public, made massive illegal profits. And as the SEC continues to pretend like this episode never happened, we remind the intellectually subprime Mary Schapiro to finally pursue those involved, and will continue doing so for as long as it takes. But back to the FDIC: the folks at Think Big Work Small have compiled a terrific video detailing exactly how several hedge funds, currently owners of recently created shell holding company OneWest Bank, are picking apart the carcass of failed IndyMac, all the while encouraging short sales (instead of loan mods) as only that way do they get to benefit fully from the taxpayer funded FDIC loss-share arrangements which makes the IndyMac transaction an immediate slam dunk for everyone involved…except America’s taxpayers, and the FDIC’s ever depleting DIF reserve.
As the authors appropriately title the video, this is indeed a slap in our face. And this goes on every single bailout Friday when the FDIC continues handing out billions of dollars under the guise of “loss sharing” arrangements, which is simply a guaranteed profit from the acquirors’ cost basis to 90% of the original loan value: an instantaneous 30% risk free IRR.
the taxpayer funded FDIC… ?? huh? What?
taxpayer funded?
FDIC?
eh?
EXCLUSIVE:
On the day the new Congress convened this year, Sen. Dianne Feinstein introduced legislation to route $25 billion in taxpayer money to a government agency that had just awarded her husband’s real estate firm a lucrative contract to sell foreclosed properties at compensation rates higher than the industry norms.
Mrs. Feinstein’s intervention on behalf of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. was unusual: the California Democrat isn’t a member of the Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs with jurisdiction over FDIC; and the agency is supposed to operate from money it raises from bank-paid insurance payments - not direct federal dollars.
Documents reviewed by The Washington Times show Mrs. Feinstein first offered Oct. 30 to help the FDIC secure money for its effort to stem the rise of home foreclosures. Her letter was sent just days before the agency determined that CB Richard Ellis Group (CBRE) - the commercial real estate firm that her husband Richard Blum heads as board chairman - had won the competitive bidding for a contract to sell foreclosed properties that FDIC had inherited from failed banks.
The FDIC Is Way Beyond Broke
25 November 2009
Greg Hunter
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation announced this week that the insurance fund that covers more than $4.5 trillion in deposits was not only depleted but has a negative balance of $8.2 billion according to the Wall Street Journal. The FDIC is now an insurance fund with no money of its own. The FDIC says it still has $23.3 billion to cover failing banks. It also has a $500 billion line of credit at the U.S. Treasury. FDIC Chairman Sheila Bair said in early September, “…We can tap up to $500 billion in a line of credit if we needed to, I can’t imagine that would ever be necessary…” Well, now it may be necessary because The FDIC said this week that 552 financial institutions were on the government’s problem list at the end of September. That’s 137 more “problem” banks added to the list in just three months. These banks have combined assets of $345.9 billion. The “problem list” will surely get longer as we go into 2010! Some experts say the real “problem list” of bad banks is more than 1000. Chairman Bair surely knew she would have to use the $500 billion line of credit when she asked for it from Congress. While we’re on the topic of bank losses, the head if the IMF, Dominique Strauss-Kahn, said this week, “It’s possible that 50 percent are still hidden in their balance sheets…” We don’t even really know how bad this will get, but it will get very bad! I wrote about the grim banking trouble facing America in a September post called “The Banks Are (Still) In Trouble.”
It is not just a raw numbers game because just a few big banks with lots of bad debt can also create big headaches for the FDIC. For example, Wells Fargo has some real debt issues it is dealing with regarding credit cards and commercial real estate. It also has billions in Payment Option ARMs. These loans typically add to the principal of the mortgage because that is what homeowners pick as a payment. With a collapsing residential real estate market, this spells even more trouble for the bank. Wells Fargo’s problems are so bad the respected banking analyst Dick Bove said in September that Wells Fargo is a “volcano, with numbers of tremors, that is possibly about to blow.” If Wells ends up needing a bailout, it will cost tens of billions of dollars and that is just one bank.
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
Thursday, October 30, 2008
Senator Feinstein Expresses Support for More Robust Federal Efforts to Prevent Home Foreclosures
- Feinstein letter urges FDIC and Treasury to expedite mortgage relief, use economic rescue funds to assist struggling homeowners -
Washington, DC - U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today expressed strong support for efforts by Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) Chairman Sheila C. Bair to prevent home foreclosures by expanding federal loan guarantees and expediting procedures for mortgage workout agreements.
In a letter to Chairman Bair, Sen. Feinstein urged that immediate steps be taken to provide assistance to struggling homeowners during implementation of the recently enacted economic rescue program. Senator Feinstein noted that such relief is especially important to Californians because the State has been severely impacted by the foreclosure crisis and accounts for nearly 30 percent of all foreclosure activity in the United States.
A copy of Sen. Feinstein’s letter was also delivered to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.
Below is the full text of the letter:
October 30, 2008
The Honorable Sheila C. Bair, Chairman
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
550 17th Street N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20429
Dear Chairman Bair:
I write to express my strong support for your efforts to prevent foreclosures and expedite loan modifications through federal loan guarantees and standardized procedures for mortgage workout agreements. These are prudent and cost-effective steps to improve assistance for homeowners while also limiting foreclosures and stabilizing home values.
Foreclosures have had a devastating impact on our national economy, and the damage in my state has been particularly severe. California has the third highest foreclosure rate in the nation, with one in every 189 homes in foreclosure—more than twice the national average of one foreclosure per every 475 homes. At this rate, more than 800,000 foreclosures may be filed on California properties this year, a roughly 75 percent increase over 2007. Six of the top ten high foreclosure U.S. metropolitan areas are in California, and local communities are struggling to cope with the economic fallout.
It is critical that a portion of the funds provided in the recently enacted economic rescue legislation be immediately directed towards addressing the foreclosure problem. Utilizing the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation model to standardize procedures for mortgage workout agreements based upon an appropriate debt-to-income ratio for borrowers will help expedite loan modifications. Moreover, I believe that providing federal loan guarantees will help incentivize lenders to offer more loan modifications to qualified borrowers while ensuring that taxpayer dollars are used efficiently.
Foreclosures are in the best interest of no one. Neighborhoods are decimated when homes are repossessed or left vacant, property values decline, local economies suffer, and crime often increases in blighted areas. Lenders must sustain the costs of foreclosure and are left with the burden of reselling properties in a distressed market. Homeowners are forced to give up on the American dream, and in some cases, tenants are forced out of homes they have been renting.
I know that you recognize the importance of this issue and I appreciate all of your hard work in developing practical solutions to assist struggling homeowners. Please keep my office closely advised of your progress. If I can be of any assistance, please do not hesitate to call me. I look forward to discussing further steps that can be taken to reduce foreclosures.
Thank you very much for your time and consideration.
Sincerely,
Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator
yeah jeff.. Feinstein writes lots of letters about lots of things.. …And?
What actually happened?
Was the FDIC ever in the red? Even back there in Nov of ‘09?
Evidently NOT:
The FDIC says it still has $23.3 billion to cover failing banks. It also has a $500 billion line of credit at the U.S. Treasury.
Our savings and checking accounts are safe, no matter what. Does that disturb you?
Would the “borrowed” money automatically be a cost to taxpayers? Is the FDIC taxpayer funded?
Not if the money is repaid.
Similarly, you people call TARP “free money”.. That is pure, unadulterated hog wash. TARP is a secured loan. To say otherwise is disingenuous at best.
Economic anarchists know no bounds.. say whatever the hell you like.. get the mob riled up. Just don’t tell the truth.
O.K.
Dianne Feinstein did not introduce legislation to route $25 billion in taxpayer money to the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Anything I ever read said she did. And the FDIC still has $23.3 billion to cover failing banks. It also has a $500 billion line of credit at the U.S. Treasury.
In 2009, there were 140 bank failures with assets totaling $170.9 billion and at a cost to the FDIC’s DIF of $36.43 billion
And I am not trying to be a smart azz, but who picks up the difference between the $170.9 billion and the $36.43 billion? I don`t know.
2010 is continuing where 2009 ended, with the FDIC and state regulators closing more banks. Through February 5th, the FDIC and Bank Regulators closed 16 banks with assets totaling $10.9 billion and at a cost to the FDIC’s Deposit Insurance Fund (DIF) of $3.23 billion.
It just doesn`t look good to me. And as far as savings and checking accounts being safe, no matter what. I hope so, for a while anyway, I still have $100,000.00 in CD`s and savings.
Have a nice weekend.
The FDIC won’t allow a bank to deteriorate to the point where the bank is worthless.
When a troubled bank’s reserves (cash) falls below some specific point, the FDIC to immediately steps in and takes over the bank’s management.
Over the weekend, an army of auditors invades the bank. These days, it’s common to find that the bank is slightly in the red.
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The FDIC then attempts to make deals with healthy banks, hoping to find one that wants to absorb the failed bank’s customers / clientele / assets and debts.
The FDIC may also sell whatever assets .. property.. non-bank investments.. buildings, office furniture, equipment or whatever on the open market.
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After the absorption or sale of the failed bank’s debts and assets, whatever is left over is held by the FDIC. It sells that stuff if and when it can, to whoever it can..
I think it was yesterday that the FDIC made a deal with Lennar (the builder) to purchase/partnership about $1 billion in troubled mortgages held by the FDIC.
Lennar set up a couple LLCs to limit it’s liability, and hopes to make some money on that toxic stuff through careful loan servicing and management..
Essentially, Lennar purchased some failed bank assets from the FDIC.
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..who picks up the difference between the $170.9 billion [bank assets] and the $36.43 billion [DIF]?
AFTER all the bank’s assets are sold off, losses/debts remaining on the bottom line, if there are any, are paid by from the DIF.
The amount paid out of the fund is NOT determined by failed bank total assets. A bank failure sometimes costs the FDIC’s fund nothing.
Thank you
Very well explained. But there still has to be some kind of shell game doen`t there. The house I have been renting for over four years has been sold on a short sale for $150,000.00 and my ex landlord owed over $340,000.00. These are big hits they are taking. Once again , not trying to be a smart you know.
Are you questioning how banks can book those huge losses without running low on reserves?
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BofA might make about $3 billion in profits in the average quarter. ($3.4B in Q2, ‘09)
$340K loan - $150K sale = $190K loss on that short sale.
$3 Billion / $190K = 15,800 or so
That means BofA could (theoretically) absorb the losses on over 15,000 REO short-sales like the one you describe… every three months.. just using the bank profits.
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My impression is banks are selling REO properties as fast as they can, but slowly enough so that losses can be absorbed by “excess” profit as the money comes in, and not endangering the bank.
You are a smart guy. And that would allow for the gradual but over time large price decline in house prices that I am watching take place in South Florida. Right?
Wow where do I sign up for this
The sky-high rates may be a sign of things to come in the market for so-called subprime credit cards as issuers who lend to the riskiest of borrowers try to figure out how to stay in business and comply with the new credit card reform law.
“We need to price our product based on the risk associated with this market and allow the customer to make the decision whether they want the product or not,” according to a statement issued by Miles Beacom, CEO of Premier Bankcard, the South Dakota credit card marketer that mailed test offers in September and October featuring 79.9 percent and 59.9 percent annual percentage rates (APRs) on cards with $300 credit limits. Premier markets credit cards issued by First Premier Bank.
Yes, It’s Legal
A national bank charging 79.9 percent interest on a credit card is legal — as long as the issuer fully discloses the terms as required by the federal Truth in Lending Act. Still, the high rate has been met with shock across the country because it is so much higher than prevailing APRs and penatly interest rates. The CreditCards.com Weekly Rate report national average for bad credit credit cards was 14.15 percent on Feb. 12.
I should note that premire bank was the only bank to give a credit card to an identity theft that targeted Measton. I don’t think there credit check standards are high.
Look for more such articles to appear as the money supply continues to tighten.
They should name these cards “The Last Resorts”. The next step down involves Tony Soprano.
The sharks want 10 points a week.
I’d figure out the APR but all i got handy is a pencil.. and will guess instead.. 2,000 % ?
When you have the gov enforcement agency on your side who needs Tony Soprano.
Here is an example of the units we’re looking at. We’re thinking of writing offers in the 160k range.
http://floridamoves.com/Property/propertydetails.aspx?SearchID=12018399&PropertyGUID=11CC191E-4895-43E3-BC14-F7A492591B3A&RowNum=9
This should free up a lot of cash for new home purchases
TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — Consumers in at least four states who buy their own health insurance are getting hit with premium increases of 15 percent or more — and people in other states could see the same thing.
Anthem Blue Cross, a subsidiary of WellPoint Inc., has been under fire for a week from regulators and politicians for notifying some of its 800,000 individual policyholders in California that it plans to raise rates by up to 39 percent March 1.
The Anthem Blue Cross plan in Maine is asking for increases of about 23 percent this year for some individual policyholders. Last year, they raised rates up to 32 percent.
Kansas had one recent case where one insurer wanting to raise most individual rates 20 percent to 30 percent was persuaded by state insurance officials to reduce the increases to 10 percent to 20 percent. The insurance department would not identify the company but said it was not Anthem.
And in Oregon, multiple insurers were granted rate hikes of 15 percent or more this year after increases of around 25 percent last year for customers who purchase individual health insurance, rather than getting it through their employer.
Now that we got that pesky public option out of the way, bring out the thumb screws and water boarding kit.
The Icelandic government and opposition parties are finalising a proposal in which the bulk of the amount owed to the two EU countries would be covered by a sale of the failed bank’s assets, said the source who asked not to be named.
“They have agreed amongst themselves about the structure of a proposal,” the source told Reuters, referring to the government and opposition parties.
Britain and the Netherlands have already covered losses incurred by savers who had invested in Landsbanki’s Icesave online high-interest savings accounts and have insisted that Iceland pay the money back.
Iceland could enter into talks with the British and Dutch governments over the new proposal as early as next week, Icelandic state radio reported.
This is brilliant, telling Britain and Holland that they can use all the money made from selling the worthless POS assetts held by the departed banks.