February 12, 2010

If It Walks Like A Duck And Quacks Like A Duck…

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Chris and Candice Basso would like to move up to a larger home this spring. But even a big tax credit won’t be enough to lift them into a bigger, better home. The Centreville, Va., couple are trapped in a two-bedroom townhouse that’s worth less than their unpaid mortgage. They face the same predicament with a condo that they own and rent out. Unable to sell either property for what they owe and with their equity wiped out, a new mortgage is out of the question. ‘I’ll have a teenager by the time housing values come back up and I can get out of my house,’ says Basso. ‘We still scour the home listings every day just to see what we could afford now. It’s heartbreaking to seewhat we could get today with our housing dollar now, but we’re stuck.’”

“A triple-digit, year-over-year increase in statewide foreclosures in January left Hawaii with the highest back-to-back monthly total since 2005. Five of the state’s worst ZIP codes for January foreclosures were on Oahu, including Kapolei, Ewa Beach, Waianae, Waipahu and Mililani. ‘These communities represent our resort and affordable-housing markets,’ said John Riggins, owner of John Riggins Real Estate in Leeward Oahu. ‘Liar and no-asset, no-income loans were rampant in these ZIP codes during the last boom.’”

“After the market turned, Riggins said, some second-home/investor owners walked away from rising interest rates. Locals in affordable communities were hit hard by the downturn in tourism, construction and state cuts, he said. ‘Some have simply given up,’ Riggins said.”

“Shasta County will likely see more foreclosures this year into next as higher-end homeowners default on their payments or walk away from homes worth far less than what is owed on them, said Wayne Martin, broker in Redding. ‘This is basically a construction-based economy,’ Martin said. ‘Now the jobs are gone. People have drawn down their reserves, they are tired, or they are just going to walk away and come back in four years and buy it at a low.’”

“Foreclosures continued to rattle New Yorkers in January, with Brooklyn residents bearing much of the pain. ‘We are seeing a huge uptick in Sunset Park and other places we never heard from in the past,’ said Meghan Faux, director of the Foreclosure Prevention Project at South Brooklyn Legal Services, partly blaming high unemployment. ‘But the majority of what we are seeing are loans that were never affordable.’”

“The fourth-largest mortgage servicer in the country is offering homeowners in New Jersey who are 90-days late on their payments a chance to walk away with cash. CitiMortgage, a unit of Citigroup, will announce a trial program that lets borrowers remain in their homes for six months after signing a deed-in-lieu of foreclosure contract. Real estate agents also said the program could have an adverse effect on New Jersey’s already troubled housing market by driving down prices.”

“‘They’re going to have to be at a lower price than everyone else,’ said Sal Poliandro, a Saddle River-based real estate agent, of the homes that will eventually go up for sale. ‘Not only are they going to have these houses on the market, they are going to be encouraged to sell them quickly.’”

“The number of homes sold at foreclosure auctions fell in Essex and Middlesex counties last year, but petitions to foreclose continue to rise. And in a clear sign that the mortgage meltdown is spreading, foreclosure filing rates are climbing in suburban towns, which previously had been spared the brunt of the state’s housing crisis, real estate specialists said. ‘It isn’t just confined to the working-class communities,’ said Timothy Warren, CEO of The Warren Group. ‘We’re seeing more and more, in vacation home areas and in white-collar suburban communities.’”

“‘They’re not all credit-blemished borrowers,’ said Kevin Cuff, executive director of the Massachusetts Mortgage Bankers Association. ‘A lot are high-income earners, with high credit scores. They leveraged everything to get a bigger, better home. . . . Then they lost their job . . . and they can’t make their mortgage payments.’”

“A year ago, Laurie Souza started a company called Gold to Green Parties. She’s hired 20 people, many of them former mortgage brokers. ‘We’re basically riding a gold bubble that came after a housing bubble,’ Souza says, ‘and when this is done, I have no idea what’s going to be next. But I’m riding the wave.’”

“Souza used to ride the sub-prime wave as a mortgage wholesale representative. She was good at it, and she made a good living — $800,000 in her best year during the housing boom. ‘I miss it,’ she says.”

“Nowadays, former mortgage broker Craig Good sells apples. Back when he sold mortgages, Good used to make up to $400,000 per year. He opened offices all over Massachusetts and was expanding into Florida. ‘I was greedy,’ Good remembers. ‘Boy, I was greedy. And when I came to that conclusion — you know what? — it wasn’t awesome.’”

“‘For a long period of time I was glad-handing, rubbing elbows, saying hi, smiling — and there wasn’t a lot of people that trusted the authenticity,’ Good says. ‘Now I wear four-year-old sneakers instead of four-day-old sneakers.’”

“Souza says it’s not fair to blame brokers for the housing mess. She says buyers were either fraudulent or lazy. ‘I wish some of these borrowers would be held responsible,’ Souza says. ‘I don’t feel bad for those people. I’m sorry, I don’t. You bought the biggest thing in your life and you had all this time to understand it, and you didn’t! You know, how is that our fault?’”

“The median home sales price in 2009 for the Chicagoland Primary Metropolitan Statistical Area was $196,000, down 18.3 percent from $240,000 in 2008, according to the Illinois Association of Realtors. Illinois is one of the markets likely to see a double dip. In Chicago, ‘Stability is eluding the market,’ said Genie Birch, president of the Chicago Association of Realtors. ‘Without revisions in lending regulations targeting urban areas, designed to reasonably accommodate purchasers looking to buy and especially to move up, Chicagoans will witness declining homeownership, loss of tax revenues and erosion of the equity they have placed and created in their homes.’”

“Duane Mathes, President of Valley Board of Realtors said Alaska MLS data show a 3.5 percent drop in the average residential sales price of houses sold in the Wasilla and Palmer area between 2009 and 2008. ‘It depends on the price of the house,’ he said. Buyers are still eager to buy houses in the $220,000 price range, he said. But luxury or high-end houses might stay on the market for more than a year before selling.”

“Anchorage, meanwhile, lost 1 percent of its jobs according to preliminary state estimates. It could be worse, said state economist Neal Fried. ‘California lost a million jobs. That’s three times the size of our Alaska labor force,’ Fried said. Fried said there’s one other positive trend happening in real estate: Housing is becoming more affordable. ‘Wages are not increasing in Alaska dramatically, but housing prices are coming down some,’ Fried said.”

“The Valley’s’s unemployment rate of 11 percent stands above that of the state and nation. But by nearly every other economic measure, Silicon Valley’s skilled workforce is considerably better off than California’s or the nation’s as a whole, according to the 2010 Index of Silicon Valley. ‘Evidence of increasing pressure on the region’s households can be observed in rising personal bankruptcy rates and residents receiving food stamps,’ the report said.”

“The recession’s silver lining for many families has come in housing costs. Average rents declined 6 percent from 2008 to 2009 — the first drop since 2005. And last year, 54 percent of first-time home buyers could afford to buy a median-priced single-family home, up from just 22 percent in 2007.”

“Ventura County’s unemployment is 10.9 percent, more than a point higher than the national average. The bleak employment picture ‘blows away anything from the ’70s and ’80s,’ said Wells Fargo senior economist Scott Anderson, who also spoke at the event.”

“With new residential construction at its lowest point in 50 years and job losses continuing to mount, Ventura County’s economy will continue to sputter this year before finally showing true signs of recovering in 2011, industry forecasters are saying. ‘Job contraction has been horrific,’ said Mark Schniepp, director of the California Economic Forecast.”

“The county’s median home price, which is now $427,900, or more than 15 percent higher than last year at this time. Still, the median home price in Ventura County remains some 35 percent below the peak of 2006. ‘The affordability is great here in Ventura County right now,’ said Schniepp, who added, ‘After this quarter and next, the defaults really start to fall.’”

“Many homeowners on the edge are wondering whether they should just walk away from their mortgages and get off the ‘hamster wheel’ of making costly payments on a home deep underwater. ‘There’s a lot of justified fear about walking away from your mortgage. A lot of this fear is cultivated by banks…and the government,’ said Brent White, an associate professor of law at the University of Arizona.”

“Heather B. feels conflicted about her decision to walk away. ‘I’m feeling hurt. I’m feeling sad. I’m feeling regretful. I’m feeling like I wish I could do it all over,’ she said. ‘However, at the end of the day, I had to make a decision. I just don’t see myself being able to recover here. It’s like throwing good money at bad money. I looked at the pros and cons. And it tipped toward the pro of me leaving. So that’s what I’m doing.’”

“Uncovering a financial bubble before it pops is a difficult task. Alan Greenspan, former chairman of the Federal Reserve, remarked that predicting a bubble cannot be done — only in retrospect are the causes and effects clear.”

“Easy access to credit in China has been a boon to residential construction activity and the real estate market. These construction projects have boosted GDP numbers while increasing the paper wealth of many Chinese government officials. Affordability ratios suggest that these real estate prices are unsustainable, and that we could see a mortgage meltdown in China on even larger proportions to that of the US. Indeed, since 2003, residential construction has far surpassed household formation. International Monetary Fund statistics note that home ownership is at 86 percent in China, compared to 69 percent in the U.S. at the peak of the U.S. housing bubble.”

“The China story starts to look more like that of Japan shortly before its stock and real estate markets collapsed almost two decades ago. The growth of the Chinese economy during the past decade largely was the result of Americans borrowing from the Chinese to buy Chinese goods. Now that the United States is pulling back on credit-based spending, the cycle may stop, leaving China with bad loans and fewer exports.”

“With the Shanghai stock market up more than 60 percent since the start of last year, investors around the world are looking to China to bring us out of a global recession. The country’s recent GDP numbers that suggest 8 percent growth for the year give signs of hope. Closer scrutiny, however, reveals the Chinese economy is in the midst of a debt-fueled asset bubble likely to burst within the next five years.”

“Bubbles remain hard to define, difficult to measure and, like recessions, can only be accurately assessed after they have burst. Economists have wrestled with bubbles for generations, but have yet to devise an adequate scientific means of analyzing them, comparing them or providing us with an early warning system that would safeguard from their worst effects. But lately, bubbles – or bubble fears – seem to be everywhere. From Chinese real estate to U.S. Treasury bills to global commodities, analysts point to a flood of easy credit that has helped to inflate values.”

“Now, soaring prices are triggering bubble fright on the Canadian housing front. ‘If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck … ‘ said David Rosenberg, chief economist and strategist with Gluskin Sheff and Associates in Toronto.”

“‘If price increases come down and we see the sales numbers moderating, then I won’t be so worried,’ said Tsur Somerville, an associate professor of real estate finance at the University of British Columbia. ‘If things continue at the pace they’ve been at the last six months, that’s a lot of cause for worry.’”

“While much of the focus is placed on national housing data, Mr. Somerville noted that only a handful of U.S. states, led by California and Florida, truly had housing bubbles. But the damage they did spread everywhere by way of mortgage-backed securities and other financial products.”

“‘Another element is that the [Canadian] government is driving this,’ he added. ‘CMHC has been buying so much product. Functionally you’ve had this huge liquidity dump from the government into housing finance.’”

“Just don’t expect any policy maker to acknowledge that misguided government policy typically aids and abets bubble formation. Nor will they ever agree publicly with the notion that a bubble mentality has taken root and that it has to be nipped in the bud. ‘Imagine the political backlash if a politician or central banker told people their house is worth 20 per cent less than they think it is – and they’re prepared to do everything in their power to ensure that it is worth less,’ said Arthur Heinmaa of Toron Capital Markets in Toronto.”




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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 09:11:51

‘Imagine the political backlash if a politician or central banker told people their house is worth 20 per cent less than they think it is – and they’re prepared to do everything in their power to ensure that it is worth less,’

Did he misspell worthless?

Comment by Bad Andy
2010-02-12 10:40:59

“Did he misspell worthless?”

Sure seems that way.

 
Comment by Rancher
2010-02-12 11:43:20

Nope, read the sentence

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 15:56:39

I like it better my way (worthless, not merely worth less)…

Comment by Rancher
2010-02-12 16:31:37

It’s worth something, isn’t it? chuckle…

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Comment by JohnF
2010-02-12 13:17:40

Imagine the political backlash if a politician or central banker told people their house is worth 20 per cent less than they think it is….

A perfect explanation of why the Fed MBS purchases will continue and why government intervention in the housing market isn’t going to end anytime soon…..probably for the next 10-15 years at least.

It may be stupid, but it is what it is…….

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 09:13:24

“While much of the focus is placed on national housing data, Mr. Somerville noted that only a handful of U.S. states, led by California and Florida, truly had housing bubbles.”

:-)

Comment by WT Economist
2010-02-12 09:16:59

They seem to have forgotten New York.

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-02-12 19:17:04

And Maryland, land of the 5x income teardown…

 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-02-12 09:17:29

‘I’ll have a teenager by the time housing values come back up and I can get out of my house,’ says Basso. ‘We still scour the home listings every day just to see what we could afford now. It’s heartbreaking to seewhat we could get today with our housing dollar now, but we’re stuck.’

“Basso..Step away from the townhouse, spread um, you’re under House Arrest !

:)

Comment by octal77
2010-02-12 13:42:42


…It’s heartbreaking to seewhat we could get today with our housing dollar now…

Basso… The heartbreak hasn’t even begun yet. Let’s see
what a dollar will buy in [real estate] 2-3 years out.

Comment by octal77
2010-02-12 13:44:23


italics off!

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Comment by octal77
2010-02-12 13:45:46

and again

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-02-12 16:52:20

It’s heartbreaking to seewhat we could get today with our housing dollar now, but we’re stuck.’”

Advice from Realturds:

2005: Buy NOW, or you’ll be priced out forever.
2006: There’s never been a better time to buy. Suzanne researched this.
2007: Best Time 2 Buy.
2008: A great time to BUY or SELL.
2009: Sellers need to adjust their prices.
2010: Housing has stabilized. There’s never been a better time to buy, except when we said so in 2007.

And finally, >>>>>>>>>>>>>housing prices Always go UP.

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Comment by Jon King
2010-02-12 21:19:24

Heartbreaking? 2 properties underwater and they are still trying to find even another debt trap to buy? How do you explain people like this?

 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-02-12 09:18:08

IMO, it is incredibly interesting to watch the psychology involved in some of these latter bubble markets. Note that they are just beginning to worry in Canada, years after a bubble was clear and well after anything could be done to keep it from collapsing.

‘Just don’t expect any policy maker to acknowledge that misguided government policy typically aids and abets bubble formation. Nor will they ever agree publicly with the notion that a bubble mentality has taken root and that it has to be nipped in the bud.’

If so, this just proves we can’t trust central banks or the government to be involved in things like housing in the first place.

Comment by mikey
2010-02-12 09:33:16

I never took economics but I do know enough to realize the that the everyday realities of the housing economics and normal human psychology… weren’t even riding on the same freakin’ bus.

:)

Comment by Bad Andy
2010-02-12 10:43:26

Nothing in any of my economics classes from undergrad to graduate level ever explained the bubble economies we’ve experienced worldwide over the past 15 years.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-12 10:50:39

Andy,

They need to add a course or two on greed and mass popular delusions.

 
Comment by Bad Andy
2010-02-12 10:59:44

With that they need to speak on excessive leverage which actually was touched upon in my global economics class when I was going for my MBA.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 14:56:52

“Nothing in any of my economics classes from undergrad to graduate level ever explained the bubble economies we’ve experienced worldwide over the past 15 years.”

Something tells me Professor Bernanke never taught a course on that subject before his Fed Chair post began…

 
Comment by mikey
2010-02-12 17:32:12

Leverage is a use of DEBT.

You don’t need to spend that all that money on a Phd in Economic’s to understand that one !

…another Priceless Freebie from mikey

;)

 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-12 09:52:22

Ben, that has me shaking my head more than anything. Late-stage bubble denizens should see what’s coming, but they cling to the “it’s different here” delusion.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-02-12 10:38:31

The illusion of getting something for nothing is just way too strong for most folks to resist.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 14:55:33

You just pinpointed the reason I have not yet bought a home in San Diego…

illusion it was, has been, and (most remarkably) remains!

 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2010-02-12 11:20:17

“IMO, it is incredibly interesting to watch the psychology involved in some of these latter bubble markets.”

Indeed it is BJ. It is truely fascinating to me and keeps me following the collapse irrespective of my plans to or not to buy.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-02-12 12:44:06

At a deeper level, many of these people don’t realize that the ONLY way to prevent collapse is to prevent the bubble from forming in the first place. They just want to go back to the days of “RE will make us rich,” and don’t realize that doesn’t make sense and can’t be true.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 14:53:44

Hayek would have agreed with you. See the link to the EconRap video I posted to yesterday’s bits bucket if you have not yet done so…

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-12 14:55:32

Human nature hasn’t changed since the Tulip Bulb mania days. There will always be bubbles and mass popular delusions. The trick is not to get sucked up in them.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 15:59:46

The other trick is to not watch your wealth get inflated out from under you while everyone else enjoys riding a bubble into the stratosphere…

 
Comment by Watching the Carnage
2010-02-12 17:41:19

Actually, the REAL trick is to identify these bubbles early-on…ride them up and jump out before they burst!

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-12 18:37:24

Gold, right now, perhaps, is one that needs to be jumped out of….

 
Comment by Dawn
2010-02-13 09:53:41

Precious metal prices are being manipulated by the President’s Working Group, in conjunction with central banks worldwide. When gold is driven low, people flock to the US dollar. But the dollar is being diluted very quickly. What this means is that everyone will be invested in dollars when the dollar collapses. This will result in a massive wealth transfer to the central bankers.

Better to keep your gold, IMO. Buy more as it goes lower.

 
 
Comment by CA renter
2010-02-13 01:56:24

At a deeper level, many of these people don’t realize that the ONLY way to prevent collapse is to prevent the bubble from forming in the first place.

Preach it, brother Jim!

You have no idea how many people I talk to will now acknowledge that there was a bubble, and in the next sentence say something about the need for the govt to prop up housing prices “until they are stabilized” (and they mean “stabilized” at bubble levels!!!).

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Comment by JohnF
2010-02-12 13:21:20

If so, this just proves we can’t trust central banks or the government to be involved in things like housing in the first place.

I agree. But that won’t stop them from trying……

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-02-12 17:28:49

we can stop them if we disband the “federal reserve system” of banks. It’s the only way we can stop this madness.
The relationship between the Treasury, banks, the administration, the Fed and CONgress is a guarantee of Mad Money Printing.
Obama’s “budget” breaks all bounds with reality, but then, as long as you can just “print up” deficit money at will, we can’t stop the madness.

END THE FED. NOW.

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Comment by pismoclam
2010-02-12 19:24:24

End the Dem Congress and Obamamania now!!!

 
 
 
Comment by Dave of the North
2010-02-12 17:58:03

Canada bubbles hard for a while - especially Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto and other big cities. Prices dropped back during our recession but have started up again. Once the Olympics are over, will Vancouver start to tumble again?

If the US recovery has a relapse or drags on very slowly that will affect Canada because we do so much trade with the US.

Here in the Saint John area our mini-bubble might be bursting soon - it was based on Saint John becoming an “energy hub” whatever that means. How’s that working out? Let’s see:
Second refinery project - scaled back then canceled
Refurbishment of Pt Lepreau nuclear reactor - way behind schedule and way over budget
Second nuclear reactor - not even being talked about anymore
Irving Oil new world headquarters - first scaled back and then canceled
The LNG plant is up and running but it would only be employing a small fraction compared to when it was being built.
Oh yes, the province wants to sell NB Power to Quebec Hydro…though the deal is being revamped and reworked.

The only project we have left is the new Taj Mahal I mean police station which is going to cost $ 23 million…I’m sure the new police station will be a real draw for tourists and business.:-)

Comment by CA renter
2010-02-13 01:58:12

Seriously? A $23MM police station???

Sounds like another bubble (energy) is bursting in your ‘hood. Thanks for the insights!

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Comment by DennisN
2010-02-12 12:33:35

It depends upon what the meaning of “handful” is.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 09:23:26

“Shasta County will likely see more foreclosures this year into next as higher-end homeowners default on their payments or walk away from homes worth far less than what is owed on them, said Wayne Martin, broker in Redding. ‘This is basically a construction-based economy,’ Martin said. ‘Now the jobs are gone. People have drawn down their reserves, they are tired, or they are just going to walk away and come back in four years and buy it at a low.’”

Sounds like they oughta consider a name change to Shafta County…

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 09:26:56

“…they are just going to walk away and come back in four years and buy it at a low.”

Is that really a viable option for many folks? Could all the underwater home owners in the State of California just have a mass walkaway party this year and let Megabank, Inc enjoy its underwater position for several years while they all rent and save to buy back their homes at fire sale prices?

Something about this plan just doesn’t sound right…

Comment by Bad Andy
2010-02-12 10:46:01

It all depends Professor. If the FHA is able to stay propped up for these several years, it’s a strong possibility as they’ll loan to someone 3 years out of foreclosure. Even more disturbing is they’ll entertain someone 12 months out of foreclosure if they have a good reason for going into foreclosure, at the underwriter’s discretion of course.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 11:30:32

Why don’t all underwater California home owners just walk, then, and expect the FHA or the GSEs or someone from the government get back into a more affordable home in three years or so?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 11:32:06

…from the government to help get them back…

 
 
Comment by JohnF
2010-02-12 13:28:46

It all depends Professor. If the FHA is able to stay propped up for these several years, it’s a strong possibility as they’ll loan to someone 3 years out of foreclosure. Even more disturbing is they’ll entertain someone 12 months out of foreclosure if they have a good reason for going into foreclosure, at the underwriter’s discretion of course.

The FHA isn’t going anywhere, I’m afraid……if anything, there will be an expansion of the FHA to “help get people into the homes they deserve”. With all of the nonsense that the FHA has pulled in the last 18 months, they should have been shut down by now. The fact that they haven’t (or even been scolded by our government) tells me something.

In the early 90’s in California I heard people saying the same thing, “if you walk away, you won’t be able to buy for 5-7 years.” Well, the lenders “bent” their rules because:

- they are in the business of lending, and
- there were so many people in that situation that they couldn’t pass up all that business

…….all they did was add 50-75 basis points to the APR and made the loan.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 14:51:46

I am afraid I am doomed to live out my days in the limbo between the D-rat’s “deserving homeowner” qualification list and the trust fund baby status which comes in handy when going it alone in the CA housing market…

 
Comment by JohnF
2010-02-12 15:41:29

Me too….probably going to have to rent for the next 10 years, then move back east and pay cash for a $150k small ranch SFR somewhere in the Midwest…..

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 16:01:00

“…pay cash for a $150k small ranch SFR somewhere in the Midwest….”

Maybe we’ll eventually be neighbors :-)

 
Comment by Rancher
2010-02-12 16:35:17

HBB enclave

 
Comment by oxide
2010-02-12 18:24:51

Preach it Rancher! We’ll all be neighbor homesteaders yet! I’ll grow the carrots if you slaughter the cow…

So who’s picking the spot? Zanesville Ohio is nice. Lots of Amish nearby…

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-02-12 19:22:08

Funny you mention the Amish… I wonder what they thought of all this absurdity in the lands around them, especially since they probably knew just how shoddy most of these McMansions are compared to real houses built to last.

Well, I’ll probably end up in the HBB enclave, too, eventually. Maryland is still the land of the Eternal Bubble, and I don’t see that changing anytime soon. It eventually reaches a point of total disgust, after seeing mountains of overpriced houses and “affordable” junk that needs 10’s of thousands of dollars of repairs…

 
Comment by Jay_Huhman
2010-02-12 21:55:29

Oxide,

Zanesville, OH is important in my family history. Paternal grandfather supposedly met paternal grandma there when he was working for the PRR replacing older timber bridges with steel.

Midwestern or southern college towns might be a good place to retire.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by SFC
2010-02-12 09:27:26

“CitiMortgage, a unit of Citigroup, will announce a trial program that lets borrowers remain in their homes for six months after signing a deed-in-lieu of foreclosure contract. ”

Or borrowers could stop paying, and stay in their homes free for 2 years+ while the banks extend and pretend. Wonder which choice an educated homesquatter will make?

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-02-12 11:16:39

Right. What leverage does the bank actually have? In FL right now the court system is so clogged that foreclosures take 1-2 years from the time they are FILED! FBs actually hold all the cards and could put every POS megabank out of business if they could somehow unite. Ben, will you help me start a blog?

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-02-12 18:36:47

‘will you help me start a blog’

Absolutely.

 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-02-12 13:14:19

…while the banks extend and pretend…

But this is the opposite of extend and pretend.

Exactly how many FB’s in New Jersey are (or soon will be) 90 days late and will take them up on it? Several thousand?

With this deed-in-lieu offer, Citi may be committing itself to booking thousands (?) of bad-loan losses, around 6 months from now?
They will then sell the properties in a further depressed market, devaluing whatever other existing and “hidden” REO inventory they possess?

Citi thinks it is strong enough to do all that?

Buy C.

Comment by Dougie944
2010-02-12 16:17:24

You must have forgotten about that $300 billion guarantee backing of Citi with taxpayer money.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-02-12 16:40:52

well Dougie944, that makes buying C safer and even more appealing.. no?

I don’t see why Citi would make a deal for 6 months free occupancy except to keep the homes safe, occupied and in good shape.
Side stepping the foreclosure process saves the bank some money, but surrendering 6 months worth of payments without a fight seems like a tactical move.

After properties are turned over and left vacant, keeping them off the market would invite deterioration… which makes it likely the plan is to sell them ASAP…?

And if they are gonna sell those, comps drop like a rock, and what about the valuation of the rest of their REO inventory?
Is it all gonna hit the market within a year?

Are other banks thinking along the same lines? Are they all gonna be ready to unwind, or will Citi catch them off guard? (unlikely imo)

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..but maybe i’m reading too much into it.. i mean, it hasn’t even been officially announced yet, afaik.

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Comment by 2banana
2010-02-12 09:29:17

‘We still scour the home listings every day just to see what we could afford now. It’s heartbreaking to seewhat we could get today with our housing dollar now, but we’re stuck.’”

Predicted by many on this board in 2005. The BIG question is what are they going to do about it?

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-12 09:34:59

These same FBs were no doubt sneering at their renter acquaintances back when they made their “investments.” Now the worm has turned.

Comment by wmbz
2010-02-12 10:27:08

“These same FBs were no doubt sneering at their renter acquaintances”

Absolutely!

Now the screwed FB wants pity and monetary forgiveness. Hey FB, bite me!You can drownd in your underwater abode.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-12 10:52:29

Better yet, walk away, FB Boy. Then I could buy your flopped “investment” at the foreclosure fire sale and rent it back to you. The supreme irony!

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2010-02-12 11:22:50

Sneering was the mild reaction. I was on the recieving end of outright snobbish contempt.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-12 13:23:47

I rarely got that reaction, mostly because I’m not shy about telling people where to get off if that’s called for. But my wife, who wasn’t as convinced on the subject as I was, had to endure a lot of condescending “advice” and misplaced sympathy from ladies of her acquaintance who had drank deeply of the “it’s different here” and “real estate only goes up” chalices. Now at least half of them are underwater on their mortgages and the stress has taken its toll over the past couple of years.

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Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-02-12 17:37:25

Well, you probably deserved it. After all, they went and “invested” in an “appreciating asset” and because you delayed, you were “PRICED OUT, FOREVER”.
So, naturally, you are an idiot. Ask any Realtor about their opinion and they would have you that housing prices were going to go up 20-30% a year, FOREVER, so you screwed up.
You are just a bitter renter. You should have taken the advice of the “financial experts” and ignored all us naysayers on this blog.

So, there! Take that!

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Comment by Curt
2010-02-12 17:29:23

‘We still scour the home listings every day just to see what we could afford now. It’s heartbreaking to seewhat we could get today with our housing dollar now, but we’re stuck.’”

‘You can even get stucco! Oh boy, can you get stucco…’

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-02-12 09:31:27

“A year ago, Laurie Souza started a company called Gold to Green Parties. She’s hired 20 people, many of them former mortgage brokers. ‘We’re basically riding a gold bubble that came after a housing bubble,’ Souza says, ‘and when this is done, I have no idea what’s going to be next. But I’m riding the wave.’”

Calling all gold bugs. If this does not make you pause and think - nothing will.

Comment by oxide
2010-02-12 09:50:25

Laurie is getting reamed in the comments. Whether she followed regulations or not, she made $800K violating good faith, and I hope they tear her a new one. (as if she cares)

And why does she need to hold gold parties anyway? She should have hundreds of K stashed, right? right?

Comment by X-philly
2010-02-12 11:00:37

I felt dirty after I read the article about Laurie and the other mortgage shmuck.

Comment by 20910
2010-02-12 11:41:45

Seriously. She is so slimy. Next she’ll be on to child-trafficking — the next big wave!!!

Oh, and a minor quibble — but how come at these parties “homeowners invite their friends and neighbors.” If you rent, you can’t throw a party? What gives?

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Comment by snake charmer
2010-02-12 12:49:45

This whole business model of throwing house “parties” for commercial purposes makes me very uncomfortable.

And bubble or not, if I were Ms. Souza, I would not be advertising the fact that I periodically have large quantities of gold on me. She should be hiring bodyguards rather than mortgage brokers.

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-02-12 17:41:32

“This whole business model of throwing house “parties” for commercial purposes makes me very uncomfortable.”

Well, all i can say is, if you walk into a “business” that has a BAR in the office where they sign contracts and they offer you a little drink to celebrate your newfound fortune……..RUN, RUN, RUN for the door………………..

 
Comment by Julius
2010-02-12 18:29:27

“This whole business model of throwing house “parties” for commercial purposes makes me very uncomfortable.”

Ah, like those infamous “sex toy parties”?

I always wondered just who in their right mind would be seen at one of those.

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-12 19:10:18

Most people don’t have the faintest idea of what their scrap gold should bring. For 14K gold, for example, they should look up the spot price for an ounce of gold for the day ( go to Kitco for nice charts ), divide the spot price by 31.10 for the gram price, multiply that gram price by .585 for 14K gold, and then multiply the 14k gram price by .90, which is what they will get after it goes to teh melt. Then, they should weigh their piece on a gram scale, so they know what they’re selling, and then, and only then, should they sell it to Ms. Laurie Souza, the lying scam artist. I recommend selling it to Northern Refineries, myself. You’ll get a better deal and an honest buyer there.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-12 20:22:22

Silverback1011

Hey, tankxs for that info…not that I need it, but I run into “characters” @ the bars sometimes that I can use to bamboozle ‘em with their own BS… ;-)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-12 20:24:14

“…Seriously. She is so slimy. Next she’ll be on to child-trafficking — the next big wave!!!”

She’ll open a reverse mortgage / child adoption agency in Haiti :-)

 
 
 
 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-02-12 09:57:38

“…I have no idea what’s going to be next. But I’m riding the wave.’”

Hope the next bubble is in bubble-promoter scalps.

 
Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2010-02-12 10:16:47

Do you want to buy some Tulip Ingots, 2banana?

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-02-12 22:59:37

Maybe the dice rolls differently this time. It seems so obvious that gold will take a big hit, doesn’t it? I’m not saying gold will go up forever. But you never know a bubble is over with until it’s a couple years behind us. That would mean gold down to $400 per ounce.

I’m into T-bills these days because no one wants them.

Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-13 08:53:02

I’m into T-bills these days because no one wants them.

If no one wants them then why is their price so high?

yield is inversely proportinal to price and the yield has gone from 5% to near zero in the last three years. That’s a bubble.

 
 
Comment by AuAgPb
2010-02-13 11:27:47

It’s the opposite of a bubble 2banana. People are SELLING their gold, not buying it. When creepy Laurie starts telling me to buy, then it’s a bubble.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-02-12 09:38:24

“The fourth-largest mortgage servicer in the country is offering homeowners in New Jersey who are 90-days late on their payments a chance to walk away with cash. CitiMortgage, a unit of Citigroup, will announce a trial program that lets borrowers remain in their homes for six months after signing a deed-in-lieu of foreclosure contract. Real estate agents also said the program could have an adverse effect on New Jersey’s already troubled housing market by driving down prices.”

Let me understand this.

Buy home for $250,000
Refinance for $600,000 - live large on the “free” $350,000
Do not pay mortgage for 90 days
Stay in house FREE for 6 months by signing over deed
Get even more cash at the end of 6 months
Walk away with no debt

WTF????

Comment by arizonadude
2010-02-12 09:55:31

It pays to work the system I guess.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-02-12 11:19:11

It isn’t called ‘the Land of Opportunity” for nothing!

 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-02-12 17:47:53

You have perfectly described the housing debtor business model. It was the way to buy Hummers, Escalades and Mercedes 500 series, while buying lots of other toys and taking luxury cruises to nowhere, lots of stops daily to Starbucks, and Caviar and Champagne. This was the “business model” of Decade 2000. Now they have run out of money.
Who is the PRESS crying for? The house debtors. They were cheated.
Why, the mean nasty greedy banks are “throwing them out of their homes”>~~~!!! A pool of tears I shed. Cry for the debtors!

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-12 09:38:46

Not so. These gold parties are a rip-off, but plenty of foolish women - do men ever go to these “let-me-guilty-you-into-selling-you-something” parties? - are willing to hand over their gold jewelry for a pittance. These former mortgage brokers have exchanged one con game for another, once again exploiting the trust and gullibility of their “clients.”

As global currencies collapse, people are going to want tangible, appreciating assets like precious metals.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-02-12 12:04:48

Over the years, I’ve been invited to quite a number of these “guilty-you-into-selling-something” parties. I have yet to attend one.

Can’t think of how I’ve been able to duck these invitations, but I have noticed that I’m not getting as many as I used to.

What I am getting are e-mails from a neighbor who’s trying to get me to come to health meetings of some sort. I can’t help thinking that the meetings relate to some sort of MLM “opportunity”. So, I’ve been deleting the e-mails.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-02-12 09:41:16

“Heather B. feels conflicted about her decision to walk away. ‘I’m feeling hurt. I’m feeling sad. I’m feeling regretful. I’m feeling like I wish I could do it all over,’ she said. ‘However, at the end of the day, I had to make a decision. I just don’t see myself being able to recover here. It’s like throwing good money at bad money. I looked at the pros and cons. And it tipped toward the pro of me leaving. So that’s what I’m doing.’”

I thought “throwing good money at bad money” was renting????

Comment by oxide
2010-02-12 10:51:37

Not anymore! Apparently interest payments are the new “cash in the trash.” :mrgreen:

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-12 09:49:49

Great compilation, Ben. Lots of red meat for us longtime bubble-sitters and HBB regulars.

“Souza says it’s not fair to blame brokers for the housing mess. She says buyers were either fraudulent or lazy. ‘I wish some of these borrowers would be held responsible,’ Souza says. ‘I don’t feel bad for those people. I’m sorry, I don’t. You bought the biggest thing in your life and you had all this time to understand it, and you didn’t! You know, how is that our fault?’”

I agree with her. The FBs who signed contracts bear ultimate responsibility for the housing bubble. Were they duped and manipulated? No doubt, but that doesn’t give them a pass. “Suzanne researched this” is no substitute for doing a thorough due diligence when it comes to such an important financial commitment. How many of these FBs bothered to engage disinterested expertise, like real estate attorneys, to give them impartial advice as to what they were getting into? How many were too stupid and lazy to try to find contrary opinions, such as those on this site, that would have challenged false REIC-perpetuated assumptions like “real estate only goes up”?

Still, this revelation shows what scum most brokers are. I guarantee what when Souza was leading her “valued clients” down the primrose path and feeding them her “research,” she never let on her private opinion that they were lazy or fraudsters. And I bet she helped enable the fraud every step of the way. Commissions, baby.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-02-12 09:57:35

Everyone was happy when prices were going up.When prices are going down the victims crawl out of the woodwork.

Comment by Dawn
2010-02-13 09:57:31

THere’s PLENTY of data and leaked insider reports to substantiate claims that the dot-com bust, and housing bust, were planned. Central banks exist for the purpose of ensuring these things do not happen, and they have plenty of power to prevent them from happening. Planned busts = middle class wealth transfers to the central bankers. They then become more powerful, and more bold with their political agendas.

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-02-12 12:52:00

It’s really not about assigning guilt, there’s plenty to go around. At the end of the day, the borrower is supposed to be looking out for his own interest. But people with money to lend are a rarer breed than people who want to borrow it. And they’re usually better at looking out for their own self interest, so setting up the system so that stupid loans bite THEM on the ass is more effective at preventing bubbles than setting it up so those loans bite borrowers on the ass.

Comment by Rancher
2010-02-12 16:42:07

“But people with money to lend are a rarer breed than people who want to borrow it.”

Interesting phone call this morning from a
very good mortgage lender who I’ve dealt with
in the past, and she told me that if I wanted to
do anything in CRE, to do it now, as the money
supply was already starting to dry up. Very
smart and informed lady who has yet to steer
me wrong.

Comment by CA renter
2010-02-13 02:20:09

Good info. Thanks, Rancher.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-02-12 13:39:00

I can no more fault sales people for selling than I can mosquitoes for sucking blood. It’s what they do for a living.
Offer either one an easy target and a person should fully expect to get bitten.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 14:49:50

“I can no more fault sales people for selling than I can mosquitoes for sucking blood. It’s what they do for a living.”

Count me as twice bitten, thrice shy…

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-02-12 17:56:30

Yes, professor you have learned some valuable lessons, but when an average person is approached by a “professional” person wearing a lapel pin and claiming to operate under a Code of Ethics, and professing a working knowledge of the marketplace and only wants to “help you” buy an “investment”, with no money,
then, I really can’t fault the unsuspecting poor slouch for not understanding that he/she is dealing with a BLOOD-SUCKING Leach, who would not only bleed them dry, but the family as well.

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Comment by CA renter
2010-02-13 02:22:50

Even after all that’s gone on, some friends of ours went ahead and bought a place. They brought additional money to the table when the property didn’t appraise. I had offered to help them with their deal, but did they ever ask for advice? Nope, only after it was all said and done and the regrets set in did they come to me to ask what they should do. Too late, just like every other “proud” homeowner from the bubble days who scoffed when I was trying to warn them, then came looking for advice AFTER the damage was done.

You try and you try, but some people will never learn.

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-02-13 02:23:52

Oh, these are people who said my “prediction” of a collapsing bubble was a “lucky guess.” :(

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-12 09:55:43

Spare me the “I’m conflicted” moralizing crap. You bet the wrong way and got burned. Now you see a way to mitigate the damage and avoid the worst of the consequences. A purely selfish decision, albeit one that makes more sense than playing by the banksters’ rules.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-12 11:37:27

My comment above was in response to Heather B’s self-serving hand-wringing:

“Heather B. feels conflicted about her decision to walk away. ‘I’m feeling hurt. I’m feeling sad. I’m feeling regretful. I’m feeling like I wish I could do it all over,’ she said.

 
 
Comment by ProperBostonian
2010-02-12 10:33:53

From the Boston.com article “And in a clear sign that the mortgage meltdown is spreading.” These clear signs don’t seem to be making it to Cambridge, MA. Last week I walked past a two-family that had just been sold for $744,000; the assessed value is $592,200. I said to the workmen who were gutting the building that it looked like they were doing a major renovation. Turned out it was the new owner, a developer, who said, “Yes, were turning it into condos, want to buy one?” The sellers inherited the place in 1973. Two-families used to be a way for middle and working-class families to start small and move up. Now so many of them have been turned into condos.
http://www.cambridgema.gov/fiscalaffairs/PropertyDetail.cfm?PropertyId=14922

Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-02-12 11:28:58

The sellers inherited the place in 1973.

Well, the upside is they managed to cash out despite the economic environment. (They should be thanking their lucky stars.)

Lesson: Greater fools abound, even in Cambridge, MA.

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-02-12 11:55:51

Turned out it was the new owner, a developer, who said, “Yes, were turning it into condos, want to buy one?”

The response you gave should have been “Not right now, I will wait until after the bank forecloses on you.”

 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-02-12 10:43:13

“The median home sales price in 2009 for the Chicagoland Primary Metropolitan Statistical Area was $196,000, down 18.3 percent from $240,000 in 2008, according to the Illinois Association of Realtors. Illinois is one of the markets likely to see a double dip.

Double dip in Illinois? Seems like a sure thing from my perspective.

I don’t know what RE inventories are like downstate, but Chicagoland is awash in excess inventory, particularly condos. 18.3% is only the tip of the iceberg — and, in fact, we’ve seen isolated instances of 30-40% off, just not the wholesale re-calibration that’s hit other places. We have enough risk factors to warrant a further downward spiral.

 
Comment by pressboardbox
2010-02-12 11:04:57

Here is the kind of thing going on in good-old Daytona Beach:

http://daytona.craigslist.org/reo/1597353881.html

Makes me kinda sick.

Comment by wmbz
2010-02-12 14:00:55

Yep, it’s everywhere. 100% no down, no credit check financing did not and has not gone away, and won’t. My wife spoke with a mortgage broker a few weeks ago and she said, don’t be fooled by what you may have read. Plenty of financing of all types is still available to anyone looking to buy a house.

The advantage of having good credit helps get the lower interest rates, but the strawberry picker/ house flipper may still move in next door.

Comment by potential buyer
2010-02-12 17:08:55

Announced an hour ago — China is tightening credit. So maybe not on those easy loans, eh?

 
 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-02-12 11:05:23

It’s heartbreaking to seewhat we could get today with our housing dollar now, but we’re stuck.

Slip out the back, Jack.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-12 11:18:46

Drop off the key, Lee. And set yourself free.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2010-02-12 11:26:53

hehehh…… It’s more fun to watch them get bled dry as the cling to “their” house……. and ride it all the way to the bottom.

 
 
 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2010-02-12 11:16:08

“Souza says it’s not fair to blame brokers for the housing mess. She says buyers were either fraudulent or lazy. ‘I wish some of these borrowers would be held responsible,’ Souza says.

And you have no idea how much I’d love to see you scumbags hang for sodomizing millions of borrowers.

And no Folks…. don’t miscontrue my contempt for the REIC as empathy for the borrowers.

Comment by CA renter
2010-02-13 02:26:02

+1

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 11:22:19

“Bubbles remain hard to define, difficult to measure and, like recessions, can only be accurately assessed after they have burst. Economists have wrestled with bubbles for generations, but have yet to devise an adequate scientific means of analyzing them, comparing them or providing us with an early warning system that would safeguard from their worst effects. But lately, bubbles – or bubble fears – seem to be everywhere. From Chinese real estate to U.S. Treasury bills to global commodities, analysts point to a flood of easy credit that has helped to inflate values.”

Bubble Typing 101: If it inflates like a bubble and pops like a bubble, it must be a bubble.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-02-12 12:59:17

Really, it’s about what they call a “confidence level,” in statistics. Yes, you can’t be definitively, 100% sure that a rise in asset valuation is a bubble until it pops. But if you only want to be able say that you’re 60% sure that you’re looking at a bubble, now that is possible.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 14:47:56

This is a Bayesian confidence interval. Those with the classical paradigm burned into their grey matter (e.g. most PhD economists) have not a chance to make an assessment…

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-12 11:40:26

How “WORK’ was defined in America circa: 2001-2006 ;-)

“Souza used to ride the sub-prime wave as a mortgage wholesale representative. She was good at it, and she made a good living — $800,000 in her best year during the housing boom. ‘I miss it,’ she says.”

“Nowadays, former mortgage broker Craig Good sells apples. Back when he sold mortgages, Good used to make up to $400,000 per year. He opened offices all over Massachusetts and was expanding into Florida. ‘I was greedy,’ Good remembers. ‘Boy, I was greedy. And when I came to that conclusion — you know what? — it wasn’t awesome.’”

Ah, the nectar was sweet, sweet, sweet. :-)

“In a single transaction, about $110,000 / $220,000 / $330,000 / $440,00 …went into their personal bank accounts as the ESCROW closed on their houses”

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-02-12 19:29:14

And who says crime doesn’t pay!

 
Comment by Jon King
2010-02-12 21:22:34

Unless you own a very successful manufacturing business, can operate on a brain tumor, or are an elite athlete you have no business making $800,000/year.

Comment by dc_renter
2010-02-12 22:22:19

I thought elite athletes earn a billion? Or somewhere in that neighborhood…

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-02-13 02:29:28

elite athletes?

I’d love to see the day when athletes had to earn money from people who actually wanted to watch them play. Ever since the advertising model came around, people like myself (who hate spectator sports and the “elite entertainer” concept) have to pay their salaries every time we buy groceries or a car or gas…

Wonder if all those “great athletes” would be so wealthy if all their income had to be EARNED via ticket sales and TV packages that had to be paid for by the people who adore them.

Comment by CA renter
2010-02-13 02:31:11

Sorry for the rant. It’s just a pet peeve of mine.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-12 23:49:11

Mary might consider changing her last name to “PileOn” if she plans to write many more articles like this one:

* The Wall Street Journal
* EDUCATION
* FEBRUARY 13, 2010

The $555,000 Student-Loan Burden
As Default Rates on Borrowing for Higher Education Rise, Some Borrowers See No Way Out; ‘This Is Just Outrageous Now’

By MARY PILON

When Michelle Bisutti, a 41-year-old family practitioner in Columbus, Ohio, finished medical school in 2003, her student-loan debt amounted to roughly $250,000. Since then, it has ballooned to $555,000.

It is the result of her deferring loan payments while she completed her residency, default charges and relentlessly compounding interest rates. Among the charges: a single $53,870 fee for when her loan was turned over to a collection agency.

“Maybe half of it was my fault because I didn’t look at the fine print,” Dr. Bisutti says. “But this is just outrageous now.”

Comment by AmazingRuss
2010-02-13 00:10:29

School loans are the debt that will not die.

 
 
Comment by CA renter
2010-02-13 02:38:46

“Bubbles remain hard to define, difficult to measure and, like recessions, can only be accurately assessed after they have burst. Economists have wrestled with bubbles for generations, but have yet to devise an adequate scientific means of analyzing them, comparing them or providing us with an early warning system that would safeguard from their worst effects. But lately, bubbles – or bubble fears – seem to be everywhere. From Chinese real estate to U.S. Treasury bills to global commodities, analysts point to a flood of easy credit that has helped to inflate values.”
———————–

Let me help Mr. Greenspan out, then. As someone who spotted the dot.com bubble, the housing/credit bubble, the oil bubble, the stock bubble II, etc.; there really are some fairly easy ways to tell when there’s a bubble.

1. When a growing proportion of buyers are of the “investor/speculator” type as opposed to regular end-users, there just might be a bubble.

2. If credit is loose, based on historical standards, and especially when you are witnessing #1, you DEFINITELY have a bubble.

—————–

Psssst…Mr. Greenspan,

As of today, we have bubbles in Treasuries (and other L/T bonds???), possibly stocks (U.S. and globally), and housing (a very strong echo bubble); and most of this is due to the same mistakes that caused the other bubbles in the first place: TOO MUCH CREDIT!!!

Rates need to be raised, and reserve requirements need to be raised as well. The sooner we do this, the less damage there will eventually be.

The Federal Reserve has the ball in their court. They can choose to go along with their misguided policies of loose lending, low rates, etc. in an attempt to keep prices artificially inflated, or they can head this thing off while there is a chance.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-02-13 07:28:04

Right on Ca renter . This BS that you can’t call a bubble ,or nobody saw it coming ,is just a defense contrive so these people won’t be held liable for their greed or incompetence .IMHO ,so much of the market makers
actions have simply been a attempt to cover -up and get someone else to pay .

 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2010-02-14 15:51:08

Great post CA renter!

 
 
Comment by Dawn
2010-02-13 10:02:57

The gold “bubble” is no bubble at all. The rise in prices was just getting started, when looking back at historical highs adjusted for inflation. Even more so for silver. So why would the media and Soros suggest gold is in a bubble? Think about that for a moment, especially when central banks are now buying gold, and the US dollar is being diluted into oblivion while US debt is spiralling out of control. Think about that please.

 
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