Bits Bucket For February 17, 2010
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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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Broward county (FL) get’s ready to raise the mill rates to “recovery” lost revenue. What a crock; home prices go up 2-3X, mill rates stay constant. Home prices fall, mill rates go up to “recapture” the revenue that was lost. Great system…
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/elections/fl-broward-tax-plans-20100216,0,1910987.story
“make devastating cuts in libraries, parks, law enforcement and other services. ”
Close the libraries, close the parks and lay off law enforcement. The police never goes after real criminals anyway, the most they’re capable off in Miami Shores are speed traps.
“to delay a tax to build a new courthouse until 2013.”
the old cout house is just fine. Lay off some of those leeches that work there and there’ll be plenty of room.
I’m not in Florida, but I don’t like the idea of closing libraries and parks. Those are free things which people can enjoy in such difficult times.
I don’t like the idea of closing libraries and parks. Those are free things which people can enjoy in such difficult times.
I agree.
Years ago, when I lived in Pittsburgh during its Great Depression of the 1980s, the city went to great efforts to keep the parks and libraries up and running.
Reason: Since so many people were out of work, just barely working, and otherwise feeling down, the parks and libraries were considered essential for boosting our battered morale.
I can personally attest to the fact that they did. I took many long walks with friends when that’s all we could afford to do. Highland and Schenley Parks were our favorites.
We poured our hearts out on those walks, and let me tell you something, they were more effective than therapy.
Then there was the library. A place that was filled with free stuff that we could borrow. And, even better, it was staffed by courteous and helpful librarians. When you’re feeling low, as many of us often were, being treated in such a positive way is a real help.
So, count me as a big supporter of parks and libraries. I wouldn’t be around today without them.
It is an old scam. Instead of cutting insane public union salaries, benefits or pensions - the city government first cuts libraries and parks so that the public will howl and be OK with tax increases.
Yep! Wash rinse repeat. Over and over.
The taxpayers should ask for a publicly printed list of all of the city executive ‘administration’ pay and pension cuts!
LOL! Won’t happen. Tax on Garth!
The REAL scam is over-paying private contractors in “sweetheart” deals or screwing up so bad they get sued.
Houston recently paid $15 MILLION for a new computer system that doesn’t work. Now they have to pay the lawyers to try and claw back the money… and they STILL have to get a computer system that works.
Or the lost lawsuits from massive civil rights violations. Here, again, it was the mishandling and outright fraud committed by the forensic department… that has affected 4000 cases. More lawsuits.
So lay off the working stiffs. This happens in every city, county and state.
Oh come on…
The scam is sweetheart deals and civil rights lawsuits.
“Instead of cutting insane public union salaries…”
Praise…Praise! Brother ‘nana! …..Testify!
Lo’d, I do believe “Union Pensions” is the next big bubble to bust and splatter the faithful with feculent tax obligations.
emmm, they’re not free, otherwise they woudn’t raise taxes.
Generally when you stop getting something you STOP paying for it. No services No taxes!
“emmm, they’re not free, otherwise they woudn’t raise taxes.”
Nothing in life is free, and I’m sure you understood my point but just want to split hairs. They should be able to enjoy the things they ALREADY payed for.
Guess you were one of those non-real criminals that got arrested.
Yeah that #$$%@!! is happening here too. Our mill rates have gone from 0.96 to 1.40 in just two years!
Gotta keep taxes high to help the “recovery!”
Another prediction by the HBB of yore comes true.
Yeah, no one here should be the least bit surprised about this. Remember all those “silver lining” stories from 2007 - the ones where houseowners tried to rationalize slipping prices with “lower” tax assessments? Ha!
Not much a houseowner can do against the bureaucrats and public employee unions working in concert to protect their turf. Expect this to get a lot, lot worse.
Ah, but the pride that only comes with ownership - like a spot for that HDTV, painting the walls any color, and paying for someone else’s retirement!
My property tax bill went down 10% this year! But I had to appeal the assesment. To the county’s credit they had a nice website where I was able to file my appeal.
Just for grins & giggles, and an exercise in identifying the “thems”, let’s all make a list of friends and family who are public/government employees, and/or consultants thereof, or who get some form of SSI (which isn’t just for old people).
Well, Pinellas County has made real cuts, and my LLs taxes have gone from $3,500 to $2,200/yr. And, gaps, they contracted the fire to a neighboring town.
Letting SOH work they way it was designed to will actually, slowly help out here. The problem is values dropped faster than the original SOH visionaries imagined. That being said, they rose much faster, too.
But yes, many FL counties will just raise the mil rate.
Looks like Goldman Sachs was doing God’s work in Greece. Of course the god in question was Ares.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=asBNXSLtlN9E&pos=3
“Goldman Sachs Group Inc. managed $15 billion of bond sales for Greece after arranging a currency swap that allowed the government to hide the extent of its deficit. No mention was made of the swap in sales documents for the securities in at least six of the 10 sales the bank arranged for Greece since the transaction, according to a review of the prospectuses by Bloomberg. The New York-based firm helped Greece raise $1 billion of off-balance-sheet funding in 2002 through the swap, which European Union regulators said they knew nothing about until recent days.”
By the way, how many are aware of the United States of America’s off balance sheet situation?
Is there any country goldman hasn’t bent over?
I wonder what they’ve done to U.S. states and cities. They’ve certainly been run by politicians who like to cut taxes and increase spending, future consequences be damned.
Do you recall the crisis in “auction rate” bonds a few years ago? I’m actually not sure that was mostly Goldman. Might have been one of the other investment banking darlings that got a few cities stuck with the bond market equivalent of an exploding ARM.
Are you familiar with CAFRs?
new logo for GS:
“invest with goldman…where tears make the best lube.”
Goldman = Cortez
Governments = Aztecs
Taxpayer = Indian
Gold = Gold
Human nature = Its different this time
Government = Montezuma
Cortez the killer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSj5yOK_mt4&feature=related
Niel Young = god
Goldman has a special place in my heart, since they are the ones who midwifed the implosion of Montana Power back in the heady days of dereg.
Bleah.
Rather I should have said they earned a special place in Hell..
Wasn’t Montana Power going to be making all their money by delivering internet over the power lines by now?
Since Goldman helped Greece hide its debt “off balance sheet” in order to comply with EMU regulations, it wasn’t Greece that Goldman bent over. It is all the other countries in the EMU. Very efficient. Oh, unless they used helped Portugal, Ireland, Italy and Spain do the same thing. In which case everyone got screwed by Goldman through those five, but especially Germany.
Prediction (which is worth exactly what you pay for it - nothing) - Greece won’t be bailed out in the way people seem to think it will be (Germany, France, et al refinancing the debt). The Germans had quite enough of that with East Germany. France can’t do it alone and I bet they don’t want to anyway. Who is left? Luxembourg, Malta, Finland, the Netherlands and Sweden? Right, pull the other one. I don’t know if this will end in a flat out default. But there won’t be a free ride. If they want help, the austerity measures will be severe and no one will care how many public employees go on strike.
My understanding is that European securities regulations have generally been much less detailed than US securities regulations, but broadly interpreted to require companies to “do the right thing.” Playing right to the edge of the rules is US style and they don’t approve of it. Using Goldman Sachs to pull a US style game to screw over the other members of the EMU is going to go over like a lead balloon. I’d love to see the EMU sue Goldman and prosecute the Greek officials that hired them. I wonder if they can decertify Goldman from engaging in banking activities in Europe? Probably won’t or can’t, but a girl can dream, can’t she?
Oh, and when was the last time you heard anyone suggest that oil should be valued using a “basket of currencies” which would include the Euro? Yeah, me neither.
And for more worthless predictions? There won’t be a flat out bail out of California either. It is politically impossible to help CA and not help Illinois, New Jersey, New York, Michigan, Florida, etc. There just isn’t enough money for all of them and TPTB won’t miss the political implications of helping the first one. I’m not sure what will happen, but a flat out guarantee of the state debt by the federal government isn’t it. Not when the risk of default is so high and just getting higher. More stimulous? I think they would if they could get it passed, but they can’t do that either.
It is going to be a bumpy ride….
“…it wasn’t Greece that Goldman bent over. It is all the other countries in the EMU. Very efficient.”
That was my thought — anyone who is owed Euro obligations gets to enjoy a share of the bailout expenses, similar to how those who are owed dollar obligations get to help pay for the TARP through the dilutory effect of operating the Fed’s virtual printing press technology.
it wasn’t Greece that Goldman bent over. It is all the other countries in the EMU
Don’t forget about all countries that sell products in Europe, the prices of which have gone way up when converting from US$ (or other currencies) to Euros.
I thought the god they worshiped was money?
Their prophet is spelled p-r-o-f-i-t
Has Goldman bought and paid for the FBI, too?
No. That was the Bush White House and der Fatherland Home Security ORDERING them (and the SEC) to pull out of financial investigations and concentrate on terra.
“By the way, how many are aware of the United States of America’s off balance sheet situation?”
If it worked in Greece, why wouldn’t it work in America?
Oops — is there any way to rescind a post?
LOL!
I don’t even think Ares would want to work with those clowns… what was the name of the Egyptian god that devoured the souls of the unjust? That being would be the type that would enjoy the company of Golden Slacks.
Ammit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammit
Fun.
“…the god in question was Ares.”
(or Eris.)
Good one, WT.
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Help bubba…They’re repo’ng ma bassboat !!
Business
Skipper Bud’s adding 300 repossessed boats to inventory
By Rick Barrett of the Journal Sentinel
Posted: Feb. 16, 2010
Skipper Bud’s marina in Oshkosh is getting another 300 repossessed boats from seven dealerships
Valued at more than $10 million, the additional inventory will begin arriving Thursday, Skipper Bud’s said in a statement.
The boats are coming from seven dealerships in the Midwest and on the East and West coasts. The models include competition ski boats, pontoons, deck boats, fishing boats and motor yachts.
Skipper Bud’s Midwest Marine Repo Center, on the south shore of Lake Butte des Morts, sold more than 350 repossessed boats in 2009.
Boats from across the nation, some costing more than $100,000, have been sent there for liquidation at discount prices.
http://tinyurl.com/yj2r2ku
Some of the happiest days of the dealers’ lives there.
what’s that saying…”two of the happier days of my life is the day i bought my boat and the day i sold it.”
Along with…”A boat, is a hole in the water, in which you pour your money into”
But I do luv’um, gotta have a hobby.
I always encourage my friends to buy boats (and swimming pools).
Yeah, I think Sun Tzu even mentions boats and swimming pools in the Art of War - something about treating friends as enemies.
I believe his saying was ‘keep your friends close, and your friends with boats and swimming pools closer’.
”two of the happier days of my life is the day i bought my boat and the day
i soldthey repossessed it.””Two of the happiest days of my life are the day i bought my boat and the day
they repossessed itI sunk it for the insurance money.”“I sunk it for the insurance money.”
Do boats sink as fast as houses burn?
Actually, insurance investigators are already all over that.
http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2009/feb/21/seattle-man-charged-with-insurance-fraud-after/
(I think I originally read this article here)
What’s with all this Yacht talk and the asking price of $28,500? LOL! My old Toyota must be a Limousine.
Let’s not project generalities onto specifics. When I sold my Santata 25 in 2004 I made a 100% profit; the trailer made the difference, as I sold them seperately.
The prices on some will blow your mind. I looked at a 28′ Grady White last year, not to buy, just looked at it. Price: $128,900.00
my FIL had been talking about buying a boat for years…he had his eye on one that dropped in price from $ 500K to around $ 250K…it’s a pretty big boat.
i am sure that boat prices have come down all across the board in this “great recession”.
My nephew, a Dr. has a 48′ Carver on the water in Gig Harbor. He’s had it up for sale for over a year at a greatly reduced price, no lookers at all.
My uncle in the Bay Area got a 46′ boat for $100K. The seller was so desperate that my uncle bent him over and had a really good time…
I recall when several students in my college figured that going in together on a used sailboat instead of spending money on staying in dorms. Three guys in a ~26′ sailboat. On a river that rarely freezes solid, but does develop big ice floes in winter. Then they lost or somebody stole their rowboat tender.
Oy.
That’s one of those ideas that seems great when you’re drunk. Not so great when your rowboat tender goes missing.
Used boat prices have cratered. Also, in the PNW, there are slips available everywhere, when during the boom years there were just waiting lists. It’s the biggest buyers market in my lifetime for both. I’m only sorry I’m not in the market for a live aboard 37′ Cutter.
Just a few steps away from the Arizona Slim Ranch is a vacant Harley Davidson dealership. I think the “for lease” sign is still out front.
Even though the Hogs are gone, and, quite frankly, we neighbors don’t miss their noise, the space is still being used. There’s a bunch of boats in the back parking lot, and some of them are pretty big. I think they’ve been repossessed, but don’t quote me on that.
I’d love to have a 35′ sailboat on Lake Michigan. But I’m not a bankster, so I got a little 14 footer instead. I installed a battery and car stereo in it, so I can crank some tunes while I sail up and down our little lake. Maybe in the distant future, if every dime of my savings doesn’t go towards food and heat, I’ll get a big boat to play with. I’d sail over to Michigan or Door County for a summer vacation.
A few days of Spring -like weather with the birds chirping & the flowers popping up , and these boats will sell like hotcakes . With lower monthly payments of course … About the 3rd round down & maybe I can afford one .
“…The models include competition ski boats, pontoons, deck boats, fishing boats and motor yachts.”
What a biased article, not one word about how the fish feel about all that sudden quietness…
Fish don’t have feelings, unless you are a Greenie Finding Nemo True Believer™.
You never won a fish with a ping-pong ball @ the carnival did you Mr. Bear…I remember Mr. Cole’s first goldfish, Leroy…they were “buddies” for about 3 months
I had a classic Slickcraft 204 SuperSport 305 runnabout with the quadrajets and a dolpin fin. The thing is still cherry and a head turner. Put a black lab pup in the front seat and it’s a chick magnet in the summertime.
My LL cracked the block when he forgot to drain the engine one Fall. We put a 350 engine into her. That puppy will pin you to the seats when I bag it from the hole and will do darned near 50 mph at full bore. I sold it to him but i still use it.
It still amazes me how friends and family’s little kids can manage to hang onto the large heavy duty inner tube flying around the lake and when I stop, scream…
“Bag It Again mikey”
It’s just …wasted gas money but me and the kids have a freakin’ riot in the summertime. I hope no one ever grows up !
Sings… “Forever Young”
“…I hope no one ever grows up ! Sings… “Forever Young””
(Hwy glances down at Mr. Cole’s latest library book):
TreeHouseLiving by Alain Laurens
(Hwy youtubes Dylan “Forever Young” & Cat Stevens “Oh, very young”)
Oh very young
What will you leave us this time
You’re only dancing on this earth for a short while
And though your dreams may toss and turn you now
They will vanish away like your daddy’s best jeans
Denim Blue fading up to the sky
And though you want them to last forever
You know they never will
You know they never will
And the patches make the goodbye harder still
Oh very young
What will you leave us this time
There’ll never be a better chance to change your mind
And if you want this world to see a better day
Will you carry the words of love with you
Will you ride the great white bird into heaven
And though you want to last forever
You know you never will
You know you never will
And the goodbye makes the journey harder still
Oh very young
What will you leave us this time
You’re only dancing on this earth for a short while
Oh very young
What will you leave us this time
I worked for a large supplier for the marine industry from ‘96 upo to ‘08 last year. The period from 2002 to 2006 were heady days indeed. I remember the Company’s banker asking how long business was going to stay strong; my response was “how long are you going to loan money to buy them?”. I guess the answer was until about 2007. Trailer Boat sales were down about 55% in 2009 from the peak in 2006. I suspect it will be 5 years or more before the inventory of like new used boats is cleared. Genmar is Bankrupt, Brunswick is close.
Power boats are good for people with more money than brains. (I’ve owned two)
Power boats are good for people with more money than brains. (I’ve owned two)
That made me laugh!
Almost four years as a lurker, occasional poster.
Last night my neighbor (who just lost his job last Friday) was trying to convince me to buy a duplex for $130k that is listed as having no plumbing, no furnace and no electricity. “You could just fix it up and rent it out and…” all that jazz.
A sensible person couldn’t be paid to take over a property like that. When will the belief that anyone can get rich wheeling and dealing real estate end??!
when rates are at 16%.
Geez, you don’t have to be so dramatic…14% will do just fine.
Which is exactly when a person with cash might be able to get a good deal that would eventually become profitable.
“…when rates are at 16%.”
It can’t happen this time, because the Fed won’t let it happen.
Yep.
If rates went anywhere north of 8% (talking mortgage rates; with equivalent treasury rates being around 5-6%) we’re looking at a certain U.S. government debt crisis, due to servicing costs alone.
It’s simply not feasible for rates to go up more than about 3% above where they are now (Fed at 0%, Treasury at 3.3%, Mortgage at 5%) anytime in the next 10 years.
You’ve hit on a very important point. The psychology towards real estate has not changed much, and more time, pain, and losses will need to be realized before it does. When more and more people default in the next few years on discounted properties purchased on the way down, I think it will start to resonate. People really want to jump in right now because they think prices are going back to the stratosphere. They forgot, or don’t understand, that past performance does not guarantee future results.
Very true.
In my neck of the woods, real estate is still seen as a sure-fire path to easy money (once we get past this “rough patch”) and everyone should dabble in real estate in their free time. Get a few houses, rent them out, whatever… how hard can it be to make money? Right… There’s no understanding at all of carrying costs, price vs. salaries, rent vs. mortgage payments, etc. Everyone just assumes everything will magically work out in their favor, so they go “all in.”
My daughter just moved to Newport Beach CA from Seattle to move her stuff. Whe and a room mate are sharing 2-2 semi dump apartment in Huntington Beach (directly across from a producing oil well), for $1750/month and the roommate who has lived in OC for a while says its a good deal.
I met the landlord who was there painting the place. I asked him how long he had owned the place and what he originally paid for it. He bought it in 1975, and paid about $47K/unit (its a triplex). He told me he had about 20 units total that he had bought in the 70’s and early 80’s. Needless to say, his retirement is good.
Right time, right place I suppose. Can this ever be repeated? Not likely.
Right time, right place I suppose. Can this ever be repeated? Not likely.
I’m not so sure. Bottoms are as hard to call as tops. I don’t think we’re there, but if inflation kicks off like it did in the late 70s-early 80s, property purchases beforehand stands a good chance of cashflowing before long. Note that I’m not talking about house PRICES going up, but the RENTS that they generate going up. There’s no hurry, but in a year or two, people who want to be landlords might want to start looking.
your problem, of course, is that as rents go up so do taxes and maintenance costs. The only landlords making money over time are those that put no value on their own time and capital cost.
I’m just amazed that the place was listed as missing all those “slightly important” features. Normally, a totally gutted house is listed as “handyman special” or “sold as-is” with “lots of potential!” Right… potential for misery, pain, lost fortunes, etc.
It does blow my mind how most people these days really think that completely refurbing a house is something that they can do “in their free time” for dirt cheap… don’t let a lack of plumbing, wiring, etc. get in the way of making quick bucks!
Here is the link, be sure to swallow that coffee before you open it:
http://tinyurl.com/ybq6uf
No worky.
Good point, oxide. Welcome to the new posters.
And if you haven’t seen it, consider using the JoshuaTree extension to make following this site easier:
http://mysite.verizon.net/drumminj_tx/joshuatree.html
Good point, oxide. Welcome to the new posters.
Ditto.
And if you haven’t seen it, consider using the JoshuaTree extension to make following this site easier:
And if you want to dig up juicy quotes (from users or REICsters) from the past, try the HBB Comment Search
Thanks for posting your link again, I’d forgotten how to search for Olygal posts. Now that I’ve gotten my fix from the summer of ought seven, I can ask my next question: Have you considered running a search for all her posts and hosting the full text of them somewhere for the enjoyment of all?
Also, was it you that posted a breakdown of the most common posters on the blog a week or two ago that disappeared soon after it was posted? I thought it was statistically interesting.
Perhaps if we’re really nice, Ben will put links to these two tools on the main page?
The ignore poster feature is a god send.
I recently was browsing HBB on my iphone, which of course, does not have the JT Extension. It made me appreciate it even more. Thanks.
The ignore poster feature is a god send.
I should add code to make it phone home with people’s ignore lists. I’m curious who’s ignoring whom
(Yes, I suppose it could do that. But no, it doesn’t do any reporting…the code is all right there to look at if you don’t trust me.)
If you’re still lurking, come into the light and take the plunge. New voices and perspectives are always welcomed.
New voices and perspectives are always welcomed.
By some. Unfortunately, a few here feel the need to label any newcomer with a different perspective a “troll”.
Suburban homeless: Rising tide of women, families. (AP)
ROOSEVELT, N.Y. – Homelessness in rural and suburban America is straining shelters this winter as the economy founders and joblessness hovers near double digits — a “perfect storm of foreclosures, unemployment and a shortage of affordable housing,” in one official’s eyes.
“We are seeing many families that never before sought government help,” said Greg Blass, commissioner of Social Services in Suffolk County on eastern Long Island.
“We see a spiral in food stamps, heating assistance applications; Medicaid is skyrocketing,” Blass added. “It is truly reaching a stage of being alarming.”
How do they make this crap up? We are right in the middle of a recovery, dammit.
Goldman said the recession was over months ago.They are obviously long the market now after they screwed a bunch of americans out of retirement.
They will only be long the market for however long it takes to lure many people back in. Then, another crash, and more money taken from the “fish” at the poker table.
The bank always wins, and unlike at a casino, you don’t even get free drinks and food when paying.
No, the unemployment situation is “stable.” What are you worried about?
“Right now the employment numbers look basically stable,” Romer said days after the U.S. jobless rate for January fell to a five-month low of 9.7 percent, just below the psychologically important 10 percent mark.
“We think we’re going to see positive job growth by spring,” she told ABC.
We’re still going to see extended families living together before this evens out …3 or 4 generations . And am not talking about the welfare crowd , either .
My father grew up in an extended family. (His father’s mother lived with them.)
Although Dad seldom talks about it, my Aunt Jean is full of stories about Cornish customs and lore that she learned from Granny.
That’s not such a bad idea — helping take care of the young while they are growing up; helping taking care of the elderly in their declining years. Lots of feeling of security in that.
stable = nobody can get a job, and everybody’s too scared to quit a job that they already have.
or a job that they hate…
““Right now the employment numbers look basically stable,” Romer said days after the U.S. jobless rate for January fell to a five-month low of 9.7 percent, just below the psychologically important 10 percent mark.”
I thought they were talking about positive job growth last month? Everything is always “right around the corner.”
Happy days are here again
The skies above are clear again
So let’s sing a song of cheer again
Happy days are here again
1929 by Milton Age
Everyone take note: two major administration officals have now gone on the record with a “jobs by spring 2010″ claim - TTT and this Keynesian creature.
a “perfect storm of foreclosures, unemployment and a shortage of affordable housing,”
It’s a shame the PTB are doing all they can to keep housing unaffordable, thereby exacerbating the homelessness problem.
Lone voice warns of debt threat to Fed.
Washington ~ FT
“Without pre-emptive action, the US risks its next crisis,” Mr Hoenig said in a speech at the Pew-Peterson Commission on Budget Reform.
Mr Hoenig said that rising debt was infringing on the central bank’s ability to fulfil its goals of maintaining price stability and long-term economic growth. “Stunning” deficit projections were putting political pressure on the Fed to keep interest rates low, infringing on its independence at the risk of inflation, he said.
He was the only Fed member who dissented at last month’s meeting against language indicating that interest rates should remain near zero for an “extended period”.
The Fed is totally corrupt. I think Hoenig is just playing good cop/bad cop with Bernokio. It’s pabulum for the markets.
Stimulus funds going to slashed programs ~ USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — More than $3.5 billion in economic stimulus funds are going to programs that President Obama wants to eliminate or trim in his new budget.
The president’s budget released this month recommends getting rid of Army Corps of Engineers’ drinking-water projects, which got $200 million in stimulus funds, and a U.S. Department of Agriculture flood-prevention program, which received $290 million from the stimulus, a USA TODAY review of stimulus spending reports show.
The administration’s budget plan says the corps and USDA programs are inefficient and duplicate similar, more effective work by other agencies. The proposed cuts indicate the programs shouldn’t have gotten money from the $862 billion stimulus package, said Tom Schatz of the non-partisan budget watchdog Citizens Against Government Waste.
The Greeks Have A Word For It: “Enough!”
Reacting to austerity measure proposals by the government to rein it Greece’s budget deficit, some civil service workers there go on strike.
Austerity measures announced so far include a freezing of civil servants’ salaries, cuts in stipends and bonuses, a two-year increase in the average retirement age and higher taxes.
Finance Ministry employees went on a four-day strike Tuesday, and customs workers walked off the job for three days on Tuesday to protest the measures that they say will slash their incomes.
“Enough. The crisis wasn’t caused by civil servants. The bill should go to the wealthy,” read a banner carried by striking workers, about 500 of whom marched from the Finance Ministry to the nearby Parliament building.
Last week, striking civil servants shut down schools, grounded flights and walked out of hospitals in a 24-hour protest. A broader, general strike is planned for Feb. 24.
The customs workers’ strike was affecting imports and exports, while gas station owners issued appeals through the media to keep drivers from rushing to fill up their cars with fuel because it could cause a run on supplies until the end of the strike on Friday.
“Enough. The crisis wasn’t caused by civil servants. The bill should go to the wealthy,” read a banner carried by striking workers…”
classic!
Reminds me of the Rodney King riots. Nothing like sh*tting in your own watering hole to make a statement.
“Enough. The crisis wasn’t caused by civil servants. The bill should go to the wealthy.”
Guess who has been getting ahead in this country? The wealthy and retired and near retired public employees. Might they turn on each other after 30 years of burying the hatchet on everyone else’s head? Only once everyone else is bled dry.
95 percent of Greeks living in Greece make less than 30,000 Euros.
95 percent of Greeks living in Greece
makereport less than 30,000 Euros.Fixed it for you. Tax evasion is a Greek national sport.
Thanksanopolis
I would say that the Greek people are complete idiots, except that I work for the state of California. I guess it takes one to know one.
Much as I love Greece, the workers in Athens (where over 40% of the entire country’s population lives) will take any excuse to strike.
Although this is a pretty good reason.
So, we don’t have to pay them when they strike? Well, that is a problem that is fixing itself.
That and eliminating services we don’t want, aka bunch of ticket writers.
BB and bankers wet dream
When Michelle Bisutti, a 41-year-old family practitioner in Columbus, Ohio, finished medical school in 2003, her student-loan debt amounted to roughly $250,000. Since then, it has ballooned to $555,000.
It is the result of her deferring loan payments while she completed her residency, default charges and relentlessly compounding interest rates. Among the charges: a single $53,870 fee for when her loan was turned over to a collection agency.
…and only 11 days until Medicare reimbursements get cut 21.2%.
I deferred my loan payment all the way through grad school and my loan principle didn’t increase a penny.
And I didn’t know residencies were 7 years. Medical must be a totally different system. Or are all these fees due to the privitization of student loans?
subsidized vs. unsubsidized. If you defer the unsubsidized, interest accrues. I chose to pay my interest for grad school while in school, and paid a chunk up front, so I was in good shape, but letting it go really adds up. I would imagine this is partly due to privatization as well. My school loans weren’t so I can’t say for sure …
She would have finished a family practice residency in 2006, but it sounds like she didn’t make any payments, hence the collections. I have seen this in a few of my financially irresponsible residents over the years. Most are frugal, but some buy cars and travel a lot, thinking that they are going to be rich in a few years. Most physicians know little about finance. I have a friend who has been a surgeon for 40 years and bragged to me that he doesn’t know the difference between a stock and a bond because he has an “advisor” who “helps him.” He worked very hard throughout his career, so I’m sure he has plenty of money. But I’ll bet his “advisor” cleaned up!
One of my staff MD’s liked playing a little doctor with the cute ICU Head Nurse on his big sailboat.
His ex-wife took away his sailboat, among other things, and barely left him his little tiny shorts.
The cute Head Nurse evidently wasn’t interested in sailing without a boat.
Sometimes brilliant doctors are just plain dumb people.
It never said her residency was 7 yrs., only that she graduated med school in 2003. Are the fees due to to the privitization of student loans? probably. You missed the most important part of the story- a whopping $250,000 in student loans. Do we expect these general practitioners to work for $85,000/yr? or do we admit that socialized healthcare cannot happen without, near-free, socialized higher education. IMO, you can’t have one without the other.The costs for both have gone thru the stratosphere.
or do we admit that socialized healthcare cannot happen without, near-free, socialized higher education.
Why does higher education have to be “socialized”? Forget for a moment that public universities are “socialized” education and always have been, but people who throw around the S-word tend to ignore that.
Why can’t higher ed costs simply be reasonable instead of rocketing ahead of wages and inflation?
The state Universities in WA capped tuition increases at, if my memory serves, 17% per year. Yes, per YEAR!
Why can’t higher ed costs simply be reasonable instead of rocketing ahead of wages and inflation?
Because there’s currently a credit bubble in student loans, just as there was a few years ago in housing. Any other questions?
Why can’t higher ed costs simply be reasonable instead of rocketing ahead of wages and inflation?
Public universities are reasonable, but I suspect that prospective med school students need the best private schools on they resume for assured acceptance. Check out how many med schools are in the U.S. compared to law schools. Then check a country like Brazil or Canada - it explains a lot about what is wrong with the good ole USA.
Because there’s currently a credit bubble in student loans, just as there was a few years ago in housing. Any other questions?
Yes, yes, let me re-phrase: Why wasn’t the original poster thinking of the problem in the same terms you do instead of the sabre-toothed demon “socialism”?
“Public universities are reasonable, but I suspect that prospective med school students need the best private schools on they resume for assured acceptance.”
Clearly you missed my previous post.
How about dropping the sarcasm, ET. FWIW, I’m all for “socializing” healthcare. Ideologically, I don’t believe there should be a profit in the servicing of healthcare. To be more direct, I visit a country (NZ) with socialized healthcare and have many friends and relatives there. Doctors and nurses wages are much less than here. However, med school starts right after high school and most costs are picked up by the gov’t. The woman practitioner’s story, that started this discussion, should have been revealing to everyone. Obviously, it was lost on you.
The woman practitioner’s story, that started this discussion, should have been revealing to everyone.
It reveals how quickly one can accrue student loan debt in this country. (Though obviously there is more to this particular woman’s story besides the original loans.)
But our country offered first-rate, affordable public education in this country for most of the 20th century, and that paradigm is rapidly being lost.
University tuition and ancillary costs rose 22% per year over the last 10 years.
The whole situation is a crime. Instead of bailing out bankers, I would rather pay for American kids to go to medical school. You shouldn’t have to be willing, much less required, to go into debt to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars in order to save lives. I’ve never been more disgusted in my life as I am right now with what has happened to this country. I’m absolutely disgusted and appalled at the greed.
If we didn’t give Goldman Sachs TARP money, AIG payments, relief from mark to market, zero interest rates, access to the Fed window, who would be left to do “God’s Work?” Doctors? They only apply science to heal a body, Goldman works on a higher spiritual plane…
A society that puts a price on everything values nothing.
Egads. Most med schools cap students’ debt at a figure well below $250k. At that debt level, she should have gone into plastic surgery.
A family practitioner has no chance of paying back a quarter mil in the foreseeable future, let alone the outrageous tacked-on fees.
Back in the Dark Ages, there were nice interest-free deferment periods while MDs were completing their residencies. Now the loan sharks expect payback to begin the minute the diploma is granted.
We were lucky. My total tuition bill for four years of medical school was only $11,000. My husband paid so we had no debt.
My son’s friend is going to a private trade school to become an auto technician. He took out a loan to pay the $15K tuition. Oy.
Wow. 41 and owing half a million for college.
She better hope she lives to 120 and works to 100 (without shakey hands if she’s a surgeon). Maybe at age 90 she could afford the good life as a doctor.
Maybe she should go public, sell shares to investors that pays a dividend from future earnings.
Story time: This is supposed to be true, but… well, you decide.
During the GD days a young man sold raffle tickets for a year’s worth of his labor. The deal was that he would do anything the winner asked of him for a year as long as it wasn’t illegal or immoral, plus he gets Sundays off.
It was a farmer that won him, and the first thing the farmer did was hook the young man up to his plow to plow his fields. This went on for a day - the farmer wanted to see just what the young man was made of - then afterwards he farmer just used the young man as a field hand.
Sounds like the new higher ed plan is to go to school here and then leave the country to practice elsewhere. There is no statute of limitations on school loans, so you can never return, but then what the hell, you are a doctor at least!
Are student loans dischargable in Bankruptcy? I seem to remember that they are not. If not, that is a travesty. Run up $100K on the charge cards and its dischargable, but a student loan is not.
Student loans are not dischargable in bankruptcy.
The story originally said she attended a Caribbean medical school, but that part was taken out apparently.
Interesting. I wonder if she paid for that Caribbean medical with federally guaranteed student loans. IF the loans she took didn’t have any government guarantee, can’t she just stiff the lender, settle the debt, or discharge it in bankruptcy if the loans were entirely private?
Ah, the dark lords at Goldman Slacks would love this… Imagine, a life of inescapable debt! Where there is no hope of ever paying it off! It is so… beautiful…
I wouldn’t want to be one of her patients.
‘Bout a decade ago, my primary care doctor referred me to a local specialist. I went to the appointment, and, sorry to say it, folks, but this doctor seemed a bit off.
She was okay at the doctoring stuff, but as a person, something just wasn’t right.
Wasn’t long after that when our local paper had an article about problem physicians. Guess who was included.
Seems that she’d done a procedure that badly injured a patient, and the patient sued. The doctor’s response? File for bankruptcy.
There were numerous bad marks on her record with the Arizona Medical Board. To the board’s credit, they finally revoked her license.
I seem to remember seeing a referencebook in the medical library of my college that tabulated “questionable doctors” or something like that. That info should be online now, sort of like a sex offender registry, or would that be illegal to publish now?
On the contrary basura, here is an example of a physician who really went into a field that they wanted instead of what many do, go for the high paying specialities such as plastic surgery, opthalmology, or ENT. You can argue it isn’t smart for someone with medical school debts to choose a low paying specialty, but you can’t question her idealism. How many on this board, deep in debt, would choose against going for the big bucks?
Why on earth did she default? A doctor should be able to afford the payments.
If she’s smart, she’ll emigrate to NZ and give the banksters a one-finger salute.
New vehicle sales in south central Wisconsin in January were down 7.4 percent from January of 2009, a reversal of double-digit sales gains in December.
Reg-Trak, a Waterloo-based auto research firm, said new car and truck sales in the nine-county region totaled 1,817 vehicles in January compared to 1,962 sold in January of 2009.
In December, 2,180 new cars and trucks were sold in the nine-county region, a 19 percent increase over December of 2008.
In Dane County, new vehicle sales were down 14.2 percent in January of 2010 compared to January of 2009, with 911 vehicles sold this January and 1,062 sold last January.
New twist in Palm Beach County Fl. Looking at houses for sale and chcking the previous sales on the property appraiser site, what I know to be houses being forclosed show up - Sales Information Unavailable and Exemptions Applicant/Owner Year 2010. I guess they figured out if they are not getting any payments they might as well take advantage of the $50,000.00 property tax exemption. This is the case with the house I sold in Sep. 05, the place I have been renting since and several others I have looked at. The place I have been renting dropped the exemption a year after I moved in. The rest all used to show complete sales info and current exemptions. Now they show Exemptions Applicant/Owner Year 2010 and Sales Information Unavailable.
Extend and pretend?
U.S. MBA Mortgage Applications Index Decreased 2.1% Last Week
Feb. 17 (Bloomberg) — Mortgage applications in the U.S. fell last week as demand for loans to purchase homes and refinance declined.
The Mortgage Bankers Association’s index dropped 2.1 percent in the week ended Feb. 12. The group’s purchase gauge decreased 4 percent, while the refinancing measure fell 1.2 percent.
Blizzards along the East Coast and winter storms in the South last week may have discouraged home buying and refinancing. While government incentives have helped stabilize housing, a lack of job growth and limited access to credit are hurdles for the real estate market.
The market is “going to be gradually recovering but it’s not going to be a straight-line trajectory over the next two or three years or so,” Derek Holt, an economist with Scotia Capital Inc. in Toronto, said before the report.
The blizzards didn’t depress the applications for mortgages, silly, it was the Super Bowl.
While government incentives have helped stabilize housing, a lack of job growth and limited access to credit are hurdles for the real estate market.
Never a mention that housing is still over-priced relative to incomes.
Housing Starts Post Sharp Rebound- Reuters
Housing starts rebounded more strongly than expected to their highest level in six months in January, while permits fell slightly less than forecast, a government report showed on Wednesday.
It’s different in San Diego. And remember, San Diego is a bellwether.
P.S. Higher housing starts in the face of a record inventory glut are a leading indicator of lower future housing prices.
And then SD was the canary in the coal mine. Oh wait, coal is bad, windmills good!
Perhaps we have evolved into the windmill in the hurricane?
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/17/home-prices-roll-backward/
“San Diego County home prices fell last month, erasing all of the gains achieved in the second half of 2009, MDA DataQuick reported yesterday.”
The dead cat bounce is over. Better times ahead as far as prices?
This news must be a fluke, as everyone knows that San Diego real estate always goes up.
Business
Home prices roll backward
County’s 7.6 percent drop seen as seasonal fluke
By Roger Showley, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 12:02 a.m.
San Diego County home prices fell last month, erasing all of the gains achieved in the second half of 2009, MDA DataQuick reported yesterday. But analysts said the figures represented a statistical and seasonal fluke, and predicted the market is likely to see little fluctuation in values all year.
The overall median fell $25,000 or 7.6 percent, to $305,000, the single biggest month-to-month decline in 22 years of record-keeping and half the gain registered in the past 12 months. It stands about where it was in the spring.
But it was still $25,000 higher than in January 2009, when the median was $280,000, the lowest since prices began falling in late 2005.
Sales last month were down 36.4 percent to 2,322, a typical pullback from year-end closings in December, and off 5.6 percent from year-ago levels.
With most buyers taking a breather from buying over the holidays, the closings in January reflected continued interest by investors, hoping to purchase foreclosed properties at below-market levels, often with all-cash offers. The percentage of resales that had been foreclosed on in the previous 12 months rose to 38.2 percent, the highest since June. Last year, investor interest peaked in January at a record 55 percent.
Market watchers said the median could keep falling and test the $280,000 level, but it also could rise above December’s post-slump peak of $330,000.
The unknown factor is the pace of foreclosures. As foreclosures waned in 2009, the median rose. But analysts said that even if foreclosures grow again, the median could still rise, if more high-priced homes are among the distressed properties.
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Something about “seasonal fluke” and “the single biggest month-to-month decline in 22 years of record-keeping” doesn’t ring true.
And why the omnipresent gloom in the San Diego Union-Tribune headlines? For just once, I would like to see a housing story that said, “Housing Affordability Shows Record Improvement,” or something to that effect. The glass is at least half full, maybe even more, as declining home prices are a green shoot of future economic recovery. In particular, San Diego area UHS might get a lot more work if housing prices were affordable relative to incomes, burned flippers might have finally learned their lesson that San Diego real estate is a terrible investment, and young families who could provide a vibrant labor force to restart San Diego’s economy would be able to lay down roots here.
Is anyone familiar with what is going in the Gas Lamp district? I have a friend that is convinced its a great time to buy and that prices have fallen to a point that condos there cash flow positively. I am very skeptical.
Lots of homeless and drunk people sleep in the streets around there. My son and I went out for dinner there last month, and an aggressive beggar tried to hit us up for spare change. It seems like it would be a nice place to live, provided you never leave your condominimum.
I barely got in your face and I only wanted a dollar, you cheap @ss!
Pleeze Senor, just twenty dollar more and I can go home to Mexico…?
I don’t like “aggressive” beggars. In fact, I can’t stand them. Once upon a time, I was having lunch with my aunt down on the waterfront in Seattle. As she was walking to our outdoor seat, fish and chips in hand, some guy was trying to hit her up for money. She declined, and he proceeded to berate her with vulgar language. I wanted to throw him into the Puget Sound, and told him so.
I get really tight-fisted if someone appears to be seeking cash to buy their next bottle of demon rum. There are actually plenty of food kitchens around San Diego if it is food they need.
Is your friend a male or a female? In the latter case, she may be interested to know that there is a very high density of sex offenders living around downtown San Diego.
Don’t take my word for it — check for yourself by entering 92101 (the Gaslight Area zip code) into the California Sex Offender Locator Map.
“…a very high density of sex offenders living around downtown San Diego”
Isn’t there a trolley that goes 13 miles to Tijuana?
Thanks for the info PB. It is a female who would be living alone.
Maybe they put *ahem* weed gas in the lamps?
(sorry, that fruit was hangin’ really low.)
Investors buying up properties for cash is certainly happening in the Bay Area. They slap a coat of paint on the property then turn around and sell it for $100,000+ more than they paid for cash. And people seem to be buying. So prices don’t seem to be dropping that much around here.
Must be quite the paint job on those houses!
Im sure one of the goldman insiders prepared the report.
5 lessons from the housing-bubble bust
Look beyond the plummeting prices and mounting foreclosures to learn a few lessons that can help us avoid making the same mistakes in the future.
By Tamara E. Holmes of Bankrate.com
The pop heard ’round the world when the housing bubble burst brought a lot of bad news — from plummeting home prices to mounting foreclosures.
But with all bad times comes a slew of good lessons to be learned, says Shari Olefson, author of “Foreclosure Nation: Mortgaging the American Dream.”
Depressed home prices and low interest rates may have you wondering if the real-estate market has reached its bottom. Even if the worst is behind us, it makes sense to take in the lessons of the past few years so we can avoid making the same mistakes again.
Lesson No. 1: Adjust your expectations. Years ago, people purchased a home, lived in it all or most of their lives, passed it down to their children and enjoyed a gradual increase in wealth as the home gained value. But in the last decade, people bought a house expecting it to increase in value about 5 or 10 percent in a couple of years, and they’d move on to something bigger, says Brendon DeSimone, a real-estate agent with Paragon Real Estate Group in San Francisco.
If the housing-bubble nightmare has shown us anything, it’s that you can’t count on a home to be worth more than you paid for it when you’re ready to sell. “It’s back to basics,” DeSimone says. “You have to be in it for the long haul and you can’t be looking at your home value every month to see how much it’s gone up.”
Lesson No. 2: You can’t time the market. When home prices were skyrocketing, many people bought homes they could barely afford — or couldn’t afford — thinking they’d ride the wave of rising equity since the market was on the upswing. Likewise, today, many potential homebuyers are sitting on the sidelines waiting for the market to reach its ultimate low.
“You will never sell at the all-time high and you’ll never buy at the all-time low by planning it,” says Tim Burrell, a real-estate agent for Re/Max United in Raleigh, N.C. “The market will time you. You will sell, and on occasion you may happen to hit the all-time high or happen to hit the all-time low, but to study it and plan it and figure out and actually do it — it doesn’t happen.”
Instead, take a long-term approach to real estate and look for a home that enhances your life and will increase in value over time.
Lesson No. 3: Don’t treat your home like a piggybank. At the height of the real-estate market boom, “We had a whole bunch of people refinancing high-interest credit cards with a low-interest second mortgage on their homes,” Olefson says. Today, some of those people have lost their homes or are in danger of doing so because they were unable to handle the mortgage debt.
“As a country, we’ve all gotten way too comfortable with credit and having debt in our lives,” Olefson says. “But the problem really came when that morphed into our homes.”
As the market rebounds, “We need to promote the value of owning your home free and clear again, because residential real estate really is the backbone of our country. It’s the biggest asset for most people,” Olefson says. Likewise, instead of depending on your home for all of your wealth, continue to build up your cash reserves, Burrell suggests.
Lesson No. 4: Do your own research. Some people ran into trouble before the real-estate market crash when they took the advice of mortgage professionals without doing their due diligence and making sure the advice was in their best interest. The wisdom of speaking to a financial adviser, calling a nonprofit housing agency or even reading books on real-estate transactions before signing on the dotted line became apparent as homeowners struggled with changing terms on mortgages that they didn’t understand. It also makes sense to check the credentials of anyone advising you. “Be careful who you trust, take time to educate yourself, and first and foremost, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is,” Olefson says.
Lesson No. 5: Think long-term financing. Adjustable-rate mortgages appealed to those who wanted the lowest possible interest rates and expected to be able to either sell their homes or refinance them before the mortgages reset. However, after the real-estate market crash, many didn’t have enough equity to refinance and houses began to sit on the market as prices went into a free fall. When it comes to financing, “you can’t just look at the next six weeks or two months or next year,” DeSimone says. “You have to say, ‘What happens to me in five years?’”
Ultimately, the real-estate market collapse was a lesson in learning to adapt, experts say. “When you see overexuberance, expect that it’s going to change,” Burrell says. “The only thing constant is change.”
Is there a Pulitzer category for NO SH**T SHERLOCK?
If so, the HBB should be in the running…
“Is there a Pulitzer category for NO SH**T SHERLOCK?”
Maybe, Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize.
I think his #2 is bull. Years ago we looked at factors that related to prices, and foreclosures was a powerful predictor over the past three cycles. I think it’s stupid to say “go in blind for the long haul, because their ain’t no point in studying!”
Maybe I was lucky, but I sold in Sep. 05, within 1 month of the peak in Palm Beach County. Maybe I won`t buy at the bottom but I will get closer than this.
You may not be able to predict the exact bottom, but it won’t be when interest rates are at historic lows, down payment requirements are close to zero, the government is giving people a few thousand bucks to buy a house and banks are holding on to a huge shadow inventory.
How hard is that to figure out?
+1.
And don’t forget vacancies at record highs.
P.S. That being said - I recently made what I think is a decent case for at least the possibility of Housing Bubble II starting up; the main gist being that all of the free market factors mentioned above could be offset, and then some, by the combination of continued government stimulus, artificially-low inventory (holding foreclosures off the market), and continued sweeping of losses under the rug. I don’t think it’ll happen - but I do think there’s a chance. If it does happen, then we probably actually did hit the low point in house prices last spring, at least in nominal terms.
Now that is spot on. Great job Polly.
“How hard is that to figure out?”
Judging by all the MSM reports suggesting the housing market has already bottomed out, it is amazingly hard.
I sold my San Jose house in May 2006 and then skedaddled. That was about the peak for the less-desirable Cambrian Park area.
BULLoney, indeed. Anyone who could not see the U.S. housing bubble nearing a peak circa 2005 either works for the Fed or otherwise suffers from bubble blindness.
P.S. At least some Fed governors were dropping hints in early 2006 speeches that flippers speculating in residential RE were about to get burned. The warnings were clearly issued loudly and clearly if you understood how to read between the lines of their speeches.
Of course, the passage of the speech below which I highlighted in bold does bring up the question of why the Fed is working so hard at the moment to suppress mortgage interest rates.
Speech
Governor Donald L. Kohn
Monetary policy and asset prices
At “Monetary Policy: A Journey from Theory to Practice,” a European Central Bank Colloquium held in honor of Otmar Issing, Frankfurt, Germany
March 16, 2006
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Conventional policy as practiced by the Federal Reserve has not insulated investors from downside risk. Whatever might have once been thought about the existence of a “Greenspan put,” stock market investors could not have endured the experience of the last five years in the United States and concluded that they were hedged on the downside by asymmetric monetary policy. Nor, for that matter, should they have concluded that the Federal Reserve does not act on the upside: If asset prices had been more closely aligned with fundamentals in the late 1990s, our policy would almost certainly have been easier, all else equal, because aggregate demand would have been weaker and hence inflation pressures even more muted than they were. The same considerations apply to homeowners: All else being equal, interest rates are higher now than they would be were real estate valuations less lofty; and if real estate prices begin to erode, homeowners should not expect to see all the gains of recent years preserved by monetary policy actions. Our actions will continue to be keyed to macroeconomic stability, not the stability of asset prices themselves.
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Our actions will continue to be keyed to macroeconomic stability, not the stability of asset prices themselves.
Did the two become the same thing? Otherwise it appears they lied.
When I see a bunch of excited idiots, dolts or sheep standing in lines or camped out overnight to buy shacks or waiting on something, I may pause, stare and wonder in amazement for a few seconds… then I have the urge to run.
mikey REALLY knows where my little sisters pet lamb went to when we were kids.
Hi “The wisdom of speaking to a financial adviser, calling a nonprofit housing agency or even reading books on real-estate transactions before signing on the dotted line became apparent as homeowners struggled with changing terms on mortgages that they didn’t understand.”
Who is this guy trying to kid ? Do homework before committing yourself to hundreds of thousands of dollars ?
John Stossel pointed out this quote from a union official in New York. It really highlights the essence of union mentality, particularly the ever-growing government union mentality.
Albany Police Officers Union President Chris Mesley says that, regardless of the faltering economy, a no-raise new contract is unacceptable.
And to hell with the public.
“I’m not running a popularity contest here,” Mesley said. “If I’m the bad guy to the average citizen . . . and their taxes have go up to cover my raise, I’m very sorry about that, but I have to look out for myself and my membership.”
Mesley added: “As the president of the local, I will not accept ‘zeroes.’ If that means . . . ticking off some taxpayers, then so be it.”
“I’m not running a popularity contest here,” Mesley said. “If I’m the bad guy to the average citizen . . . and their taxes have go up to cover my raise, I’m very sorry about that, but I have to look out for myself and my membership.”
Kind of like President John F. Kennedy’s Inaugural Address
“My fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you — ask what can you do for your country.”
Only different.
A few years ago, Dad and I were making the rounds of the Rayburn House Office Building. It was between Congressional sessions, so there weren’t too many people at work.
Well, we got to the office of his then-Congressman, Curt Weldon. The staff encouraged both of us to sign the guestbook. Dad wrote a short note thanking Weldon for saving a Revolutionary War battlefield from development. Me? I said the following:
Ask not what your country can do for you. Do it yourself.
“…I have to look out for myself and my membership”
meaning ” I like my cushy union rep job and I need to be re-elected.” I addressed this problem with unions a few weeks ago.
Actually meaning “We have the guns, so pay up suckas.”
funny stuff!
That’s a hell of a lot more honest than the union leaders in Downstate New York, where the teacher’s union claims to represent the children, the hospital worker’s union claims to represent the sick, and the transit worker’s union claims to represent the riders.
While it might be easy to get angry at this fellow, he should be applauded for being a realist. He knows the houseowners in his jurisdiction have to sit there and take it. What are they gonna do - move?
“Albany Police Officers Union President Chris Mesley
…Mesley added: “As the president of the local, I will not accept ‘zeroes.’”
Looks like he has a conundrum to me.
Casino MonteLago at Lake Las Vegas will close at midnight March 14, the casino owner announced today ~ Vegas Sun
The closure is a direct result of last week’s announcement that the Ritz-Carlton would be closing on May 2.
The casino is owned by CIRI Lakeside Gaming Investors LLC and is leased through Village Hospitality LLC, which is an arm of Deutsche Bank and owner of the Ritz-Carlton at Lake Las Vegas.
More than 170 people will be out of work as a result of the closure. Employees were informed by management today.
Nevada Gaming Hits Record Low in 2009
LAS VEGAS (TheStreet) —
Nevada gaming revenues plunged 10.4% in 2009, the biggest decline in state history.
All together, casinos pulled in $10.39 billion, the lowest since 2003.
The Las Vegas strip also posted a 9.4% drop to $5.5 billion.
But there was some stabilization by the end of the year. Overall, in December, the state reported a 3.2% decline for the month to $859.3 million and the Strip rose 5.9% in December to $502.1 million. This was the Strip’s second consecutive monthly gain.
Nevada is following the losing streak of most other parts of the country, as a nation of those without jobs or disposable cash has suddenly found itself wondering what’s so fun about the notion of handing over its money to casinos.
On Tuesday, Atlantic City reported an 8.5% decline in its gaming revenue in January.
For these reasons, casinos such as Las Vegas Sands, Wynn Resorts and MGM Mirage, are looking overseas, most notably to Macau, China, for future growth.
Is that their admission that the American consumer is tapped out for the foreseeable future?
“Casino MonteLago at Lake Las Vegas will close at midnight March 14, the casino owner announced today ~ Vegas Sun”
wmbz…that doesn’t affect me…I gamble on the US Government.
Fellow HBBer comment spotted on the MarketWatch web site:
Reader Response »
Record High Defaults=CHECK
Record High Foreclosures=CHECK
Record Low Sales=CHECK
Record Price Declines=CHECK
Folks, DO NOT buy any housing right now. There is no stabilization in housing until we get back to early 1990’s prices, possibly even early 1980’s. Let housing prices and rents collapse and don’t get in the way. ”
- RealtorsAreLiars | 7:25 a.m. Today
Keep up the good work!
I added my vote to the (+) column.
Speaking of HBB comments…
Yesterday morning, I was at a meeting at KXCI, Tucson’s community radio station. We were discussing the station’s website, and the site’s traffic was sliced and diced with great precision by a young volunteer who handles such things.
She pointed to something called “The Housing Bubble Blog,” which has been sending traffic to KXCI.org. That puzzled her for a moment. Then I had to go and ‘fess up to being the housing bubble blogger who was responsible for those links.
Not that this is a problem around KXCI. They like website traffic. Better yet, the KXCI staff and volunteer corps is refreshingly free of local REIC-sters, and in Tucson, that is quite an accomplishment.
All that technology & filters and a “TruthSlayer™” gets through…
Way to go RealtorsAreLiars!
It seems many if not most of their comments are from died-in-the-wool bears. in fact, I personally have 2,430 comments on there, most of them something to the effect of “DJIA = 10K or bust.”
:bowing: Thank you. Thank you.
Just a note….. There are a few RE bulls(hitters) on MW. “Mikebosa3″ is the loudest one.
Conoco, BP, Caterpillar Drop Out Of Cap-And-Trade Alliance
Ed Carson ~ Capital Hill
Here’s another sign of the shifting political winds on global warming: ConocoPhillips (COP), BP (BP) and Caterpillar (CAT) have decided not to renew their membership in the U.S. Climate Action Partnership, a broad alliance of corporations and environmentalists supporting cap-and-trade legislation.
“House climate legislation and Senate proposals to date have disadvantaged the transportation sector and its consumers, left domestic refineries unfairly penalized versus international competition, and ignored the critical role that natural gas can play in reducing GHG emissions,” Conoco CEO Jim Mulva said in a statement.
When President Obama swept into office with huge Democratic majorities in Congress, many corporations felt they needed to get on board to try to influence the legislation. But cap-and-trade has stalled in the Senate, the Copenhagen climate treaty talks failed and there has been a slew of embarrassing revelations regarding global warming data and forecasts. So sweeping emissions curbs no longer seem inevitable.
Ah, the Prophet of Change, Al “I invented the internet” Gore, and the rest will be so disappointed. After all, carbon credits were to be the new scam, the new currency/investment/security, the new tool for the elite to make a fortune on BS while everyone else gets the shaft. I bet there will be much sadness in the gilded halls of The Powers That Be that the noose of cap-and-tax may not be slipped around the next of the citizens.
That’s great news. But as you can see here this conspiracy of Global Climate Change will just keep on putting out this propaganda till we round up all these so called scientists and drown them all in the ocean.
Ocean acidification fastest in 65 million years:
www tgdaily com/sustainability-features/48468-ocean-acidification-fastest-in-65-million-years
Warmest January on record for the lower atmosphere:
www wunderground com/blog/JeffMasters/article.html?entrynum=1433
NASA Finds Warmer Ocean Speeding Greenland Glacier Melt:
www nasa gov/topics/earth/features/earth20100216.html
Here is a sure sign the real estate crash is not over yet: The MSM has not run out of real estate hand wringers just yet.
And BTW, I note that CRE is (was?) no small part of the San Diego area economy.
Outside the Box
Feb. 17, 2010, 12:01 a.m. EST
The worst is yet to come
Commentary: What to expect from the commercial real estate crisis
Relax, it’s just a correction
Breaking through a nuclear impasse
By Josh Lipton
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Over the next few years, a wave of commercial real estate loan failures could threaten America’s already-weakened financial system.
So warns a new report from the Congressional Oversight Panel as part of its oversight of the Troubled Asset Relief Program, highlighting yet one more hurdle for this country’s fragile economy.
The panel, chaired by Harvard law professor Elizabeth Warren, says it remains “deeply concerned” that commercial loan losses could jeopardize the stability of many banks, particularly the nation’s mid-size and smaller banks. Read the 183-page report for yourself here.
Worries about CRE loans — those loans taken out by developers to purchase and maintain shopping malls, offices, hotels, and apartments — have been simmering for months, as we noted in an October article. See “How Banks Will Fare in a Commercial Real Estate Crash.”
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..Here is a sure sign the real estate crash is not over yet…
I skimmed that report… a copy sits on my desktop.
It basically explains how most CRE lending is localized and why the survival of the small troubled banks is vitally important (they write small business loans).
It offers proposed remedies much like TARP but, to encourage small banks to accept the loan, without the strings attached.
Too Small To Fail.
So much for that “Move Your Money” (into community banks) idea.
Question: Did credit unions get sucked into CRE? I sure hope not, because if the community banks go wobbly, they’re about all that’s left.
..As the insurer and regulator of Federally chartered credit unions, the NCUA oversees credit union safety and soundness, much like the FDIC. It is sometimes required to place credit unions in conservatorship. On March 20, 2009, during the financial crisis of 2007–2010, the NCUA took over the two largest wholesale credit unions with combined assets of $57 billion because of the losses on their investments in mortgage-backed securities.[5] wikipedia
(I guess federal / “corporate” / “wholesale” credit unions are the big, regulated type that act like banks for local credit unions)
According to Time magazine:
While some retail credit unions located in frothy real estate regions have suffered — so far (Dec 10, 2008) this year, 16 have been taken over by the NCUA — they have in general held up better than corporate credit unions. Some of the nation’s 28 corporate credit unions moved heavily into securities tied to mortgages, car loans and credit cards. That means they are now racked by the sorts of write-downs plaguing commercial and investment banks.
“Too Small To Fail.”
Were Megabank, Inc’s mortgage securitization kingpins involved, or is CRE different than residential?
“those loans taken out by developers to purchase and maintain shopping malls”
Developers go into the hole for maintenance? That’s a bad sign. Or is that just revolving debt?
Ya know, all this revolving debt can be solved with a little cash cushion. Does nobody have a cash cushion anymore?
Ohio hospital system says it won’t hire smokers
Associated Press
AKRON, Ohio — A northeast Ohio hospital system has joined the ranks of companies that will no longer hire smokers.
Akron-based Summa Health Systems launched a nicotine-free hiring policy this year for all new employees.
People applying to work for Summa must agree to a urine test to confirm they don’t use tobacco products.
The policy doesn’t affect current employees at the six-hospital system.
Other hospital and health care systems have also stopped hiring smokers, including the Cleveland Clinic and Medical Mutual of Ohio.
They don’t even allow patches? I wonder why not…
Backsliders?
A urine test won’t tell you how nicotine got into someone’s system, and relapse rates among smokers are fairly high.
I question whether such a rule can stand up to a legal challenge, though. Tobacco is a not a banned substance. A corporation can ban drinking or taking sedatives during work hours, for example, but cannot restrict employees’ off-duty lives. Why would tobacco be any different?
Years ago, when I worked at a local nonprofit, I had a very asthmatic boss. She was inhaler-dependent, and, needless to say, not a fan of smokers or smoking.
One of our coworkers really aroused her ire, because it seemed that she spent more time on smoking breaks than she actually did at her job. And the whole dang building was depending on the information that Ms. Chimney and her underlings were supposed to be providing for us.
I wonder how many of their new employees will be obese?
“I wonder how many of their new employees will be obese?”
Well judging from the girth of the nurses & aides I saw recently @ the CHOC lunchroom, my question would be:
I wonder how many of their current employees are obese?
It’s all part of the plan:
Trust your money to bankers who can’t manage their own
Trust your health to practioners who can’t put down the fork
I have an oncology nurse friend — her weight, oh probably around 250lbs
tobacco nazis?
wikipedia
Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany
After German doctors became the first to identify the link between smoking and lung cancer, Nazi Germany initiated a strong anti-tobacco movement and led the first public anti-smoking campaign in modern history.
[snip]
Adolf Hitler’s personal distaste for tobacco and the Nazi reproductive policies were among the motivating factors behind their campaign against smoking, and this campaign was associated with both antisemitism and racism.
The Gay lifestyle is statistically very unhealthy. I wonder if companies can ban employees for that?
I think you already know the answer to that question.
Not to be over-reactionary, but there isn’t one gay lifestyle.
Not one smoking lifestyle either.
Personally I prefer the “Marlboro Man wanna-be but really a redneck” lifestyle over the “Benson & Hedges would-you-like-me-to-take-you-home stockbroker” lifestyle.
I guess Mr Market likes lower home prices, as that is what will result if more inventory is added to the extant glut of vacant U.S. homes.
Indications
Feb. 17, 2010, 9:15 a.m. EST
U.S. stock futures point higher along with housing starts
Deere & Co., Whole Foods Market set to rise after earnings updates
U.S. stock futures stronger after three-day break
Breaking through a nuclear impasse
By Barbara Kollmeyer & Kate Gibson, MarketWatch
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — U.S. stock market futures were pointing to another day of gains for Wall Street on Wednesday, buoyed by strong overseas markets, as early economic data on the U.S. housing market offered reason for cheer.
Stock indexes added to early gains after the government reported new home construction rebounded in January. The Commerce Department also revised its December count higher.
“We’re in good shape on housing starts and building permits. We don’t want this number to be too robust, since we don’t want too much inventory,” said Art Hogan, chief market strategist at Jefferies & Co.
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You know the NBER will be telling us we are out of the recession for a long long time before employment does any kind of recovery. Housing is a major chunk of the economy so this is going to suck for a long long time.
No recession is in view from the ivory covered offices of the economists who date recessions for the NBER.
Has there been any official announcement one way or another? I haven’t heard the NBER announce any end to the recession, however all the Fed’s FRED data shows it having ended last July.
Who cares what the NBER says — Bernanke announced the green shoots last spring.
Yeah I know - just wondering. I personally don’t care, except for reference purposes (read: mockery purposes).
Just finished reading yesterday’s bits. Damn, you guys are good.
- British savers are getting crushed by the printing presses.
- Fed members are trying to head-off the coming inflation revolt.
Tomorrow President Obama will give us the brand new National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. He will create it by executive order and it will study the myriad debt problems the federal government has created and offer solutions to Congress.
~ Just what we need. Another study commission! Its recommendations will be merely suggestions to Congress, with no force of law, and they will not be made until after the November elections.
What the federal government must do is stop spending money it doesn’t have. Who needs an expensive commission to figure that?
EO is another word for trouble!
After months of back and forth, the commission concluded the federal government needs to print more moneys. The sheeple don’t know the difference — and as long as they don’t know the difference — you can get away with it.
Yeah. There seems to be this drive by the government to try to find some way to cook the books and make things ok.
The math is getting pretty simple. You have to cut spending. Probably an across the board slash of salaries for gvt emps of 10% along with 10% slash in all social programs and millitary expenses.
Bigger cuts and tax a big axe to medicare. Really need to dig into that mess.
Didn’t Pension funds dive into MBS and CDS in late 2000??
MOSCOW (Reuters) - Pension funds have started investing actively in gold last year viewing the metal as a safe long-term investment, the head of the World Gold Council told Reuters on Wednesday.
“Last year we saw a very notable switch of pension funds to holding gold for the first time,” Aram Shishmanian, the CEO of the council, told Reuters Financial Television on the sidelines of a forum organized by the Adam Smith Institute in Moscow.
He said China and South Africa were the top producers last year and added Russia’s weak mining legislation was the main constraint for the sector development in the country.
The WGC does not forecast gold prices for 2010.
Shishmanian said he believed the market will be “robust.”
Global gold demand dropped 11 percent in 2009 on weaker industrial and jewellery demand, but investors appetite for bullion is likely to remain strong this year, the World Gold Council said earlier on Wednesday
Feb. 17 (Bloomberg) — The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index may rise to between 1,250 and 1,300, said Abby Joseph Cohen, the Goldman Sachs Group Inc. strategist known for calling the bull market in the 1990s.
and 2000’s and at every point in her career.
It seems when pensions get into something - the top is very near.
wikipedia:
..The World Gold Council is an industry association of the world’s leading gold mining companies, established in 1987. It aims to stimulate demand for gold from industry, consumers, and investors. The Council’s Chief Executive Officer is Aram Shishmanian…
So, Shishmanian believes the market will be “robust”?
If he ever says otherwise, now THAT would be interesting.
Lawyers see bankruptcy boom ahead
SF Business Times - February 17, 2010
Bankruptcies, foreclosures and litigation are likely to keep providing booming business to law firms, according to a survey by Robert Half Legal.
When asked which area of the law would grow fastest over the next three months, the 300 lawyers in the survey put bankruptcy and foreclosure at the top of the list. Litigation and labor and employment followed.
Charles Volkert, executive director of Robert Half Legal, said, not surprisingly, that “Economic conditions continue to fuel demand for specialists in bankruptcy and litigation.”
The next bubble? Great. Every realtor is going to get a big student loan and go to law-school.
Judging from the local scene, I’d say that bankruptcy lawyers are already quite busy. Matter of fact, a very fine attorney I used to patronize is now the administrator for the local U.S. Bankruptcy Court. All I can say is that the USBC has a good man for the job.
Try not to get haunted by a falling knife real estate investment.
Friday, February 12, 2010
The haunting debt of mortgages
People whose homes are worth less than the mortgage may be tempted to walk away. Or sell the house for less than they owe. But as Marketplace’s Jeff Tyler reports, the debt could haunt you for years to come.
Mannequin holding red word Debt (iStockPhoto)
TESS VIGELAND: Better than last month, but worse than last year. That’s the latest word on foreclosure rates from RealtyTrac. There were fewer foreclosures in January than in December, but they were still far higher than the same time last year. And the company estimates as many as 3.5 million more are on the way. Many home owners are tempted to walk away, or sell the house for less than they owe, and be done with it.
But as Marketplace’s Jeff Tyler reports, that debt could haunt you for years to come.
Jeff Tyler: In Fort Collins, Colo., retired Navy lieutenant commander James Poole is going through his second foreclosure. This time, as a renter.
James Poole: The house has been sold in foreclosure, and we were waiting for the bank to tell us when they want us to leave.
Poole lost his own home to foreclosure years earlier. When the auction didn’t cover the amount owed on the mortgage, the lender came after him for the difference. That’s what’s known as the “deficiency.” In his case, about $40,000. He says it ruined his credit and discouraged future lenders.
Poole: The lender will look into that, they’ll see this big deficiency judgment of tens of thousands of dollars on the record and decide maybe they don’t want to take second place behind that big a judgment.
Some people get caught by surprise. They assume that by giving up the title to the property, they will be released from their financial responsibilities.
Donya Monroe is executive director of the nonprofit Neighborhood Housing Services of Southern Nevada.
Donya Monroe: Unequivocally, absolutely not. It does not automatically release you from your deficiency or your obligation to pay that loan.
Some borrowers try a short sale. That’s where, before the property goes to foreclosure, it’s sold for less than is owed on the loan. Again, lenders won’t necessarily let you off the hook.
Bob Jacobs is a California real estate lawyer.
Bob Jacobs: I’ve had more than one client come in my office after they had completed a short sale and received a letter from a collections agency.
Laws differ from state to state. About 20 states have what are known as non-recourse loans. They protect the borrower, so the bank can’t seize your assets if you default. In other states, borrowers are more vulnerable.
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The details:
These are all the mortgage walkaway trustee sale states, meaning they are non-judicial foreclosure states.
In those states, generally, when they foreclose on you, they cannot pursue you for their financial losses.
Many, such as California, do in theory allow a lender to choose judicial foreclosure but in those cases the lenders only do so if a borrower has significant other assets. This is the “one action” rule that lets the lender either pursue non-judicial foreclosure, at lower cost and less time, or judicial foreclosure that costs more money and takes more time but lets them go after you for their financial losses.
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
California
Colorado
District of Columbia (Washington DC)
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana (as long as non-judicial foreclosure is used)
Nevada - note that the lender CAN get a deficiency judgment (See below)
New Hampshire
Oregon
Tennessee
Texas (but even in a non-judicial foreclosure, the lender can pursue a deficiency judgment)
Virginia
Washington
West Virginia
These are states that also allow non-judicial foreclosure, and/or where non-judicial foreclosure is more common and deficiency judgments can be obtained more easily:
Michigan
Minnesota
North Carolina
Rhode Island
South Dakota
Utah
Wyoming
It’s important to also note that the meaning of “non-recourse” varies among “non-recourse” states. For example, if you’ve refinanced your loan in California (a non-recourse state), it becomes recourse. In Arizona, a refinanced loan only becomes recourse if cash is taken out during the refinancing.
In Arizona, a refinanced loan only becomes recourse if cash is taken out during the refinancing.
In AZ, there was a whole lotta refinancing going on!
“Many, such as California, do in theory allow a lender to choose judicial foreclosure but in those cases the lenders only do so if a borrower has significant other assets.”
Glad to learn our FB friends are safe
JoeyinCA — Thought you might especially appreciate this report on the albatross-like quality of unpaid mortgage debt.
I do like it..
wiki..
The word albatross is sometimes used to mean an encumbrance, or a wearisome burden. It is an allusion to Samuel Taylor Coleridge’s poem The Rime of the Ancient Mariner (1798).
In the poem, an albatross starts to follow a ship — being followed by an albatross was generally considered an omen of good luck. However, the titular mariner shoots the albatross with a crossbow, which is regarded as an act that will curse the ship (which indeed suffers terrible mishaps).
To punish him, his companions induce him to wear the dead albatross around his neck indefinitely (until they all die from the curse, as it happens). Thus the albatross can be both an omen of good or bad luck, as well as a metaphor for a burden to be carried (as penance).
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Thus, the albatross is symbolic of the penance paid (which may be voluntary) for committing a sin. Unpaid debt is the sin.
My advice to FBs is to man-up, suffer the albatross with humility, swear (again) to pay your debt, make amends to never repeat the sin, and beg forgiveness..
Rime of the Ancient Mariner - excellent tune. One of the great early prog metal tunes (my favorite genre).
Put aside for a moment the political pressure to regulate banking and trading. Ask the elder statesmen of these industries - giants like George Soros, Nicholas F. Brady, John S. Reed, William H. Donaldson and John C. Bogle - where they stand on regulation, and they will bowl you over.
They certainly don’t think of themselves as angry Main Streeters. They grew quite wealthy in finance, typically making their fortunes in the ’70s and ’80s when banks and securities firms were considerably more regulated. And now, parting company with the current chieftains, they want more rules, Louis Uchitelle writes in The New York Times.
While the younger generation, very visibly led by Lloyd C. Blankfein, chief executive of Goldman Sachs, lobbies Congress against such regulation, their spiritual elders support the reform proposed by Paul A. Volcker and, surprisingly, even more restrictions. “I am a believer that the system has gone badly awry and needs massive reform,” said Mr. Bogle, the 80-year-old founder and for many years chief executive of the Vanguard Group, the huge mutual fund company.
Mr. Volcker, 82, signed up the support of nearly a dozen peers whose average age is north of 70 and whose pedigrees on Wall Street and in banking are impeccable. But while Mr. Volcker focuses on a rule that would henceforth prohibit a bank that takes deposits from also buying and selling securities for its own account - risking losses in the process - most of his prominent supporters see that as a starting point in a broader return to regulation. And most do not hesitate to speak up in interviews with The New York Times.
Listen to Nicholas Brady, a Treasury secretary in the late 1980s and early 1990s and before that chairman of Dillon Read & Company, now extinct, but in its day a prestigious Wall Street house. “If you are a commercial bank,” he said, “and you wish the government to guarantee your deposits and bail you out if necessary, then you can’t be involved in speculative activity.”
Does that mean Mr. Brady, now 79, would tell commercial banks they could no longer trade securities for their customers? Mr. Volcker, who gained fame in the 1980s as chairman of the Federal Reserve, would permit this and so would President Obama, who has endorsed the Volcker restriction on proprietary trading, but not the broader ban on trading for customers. Mr. Brady just might take that extra step.
Imagine that lloyd doesn’t think there should be any regulation on his gambling, but he should still get the bailouts.
Bill Bonner chimes in with - “Congress is supposed to confront the problems of the nation…and solve them. But with more people getting something from the government than supporting it, Congress is not likely to change course. It responds to the perverse will of the people…and to its own corrupt predilections. We are all victims of democracy now.”
The majority of voters, eager to get what they can from the national treasury installed representatives in Washington that have run the country into un-payable debt in order to enrich everybody who demanded help. We’re getting what’s coming to us - and there’s not much we can do except throw a scare into the politicos in November.
But with more people getting something from the government than supporting it, Congress is not likely to change course. It responds to the perverse will of the people
So it was the will of the people that we roll back regulation on Wall Street, do away with Glass Steagle, allow 30-1 leverage and fruadulant securitization, and then spend 700 billion plus (FED balance sheet) plus (GSE balance sheet) to bail these criminals out. No the Gov does not respond to the will of the people it responds to the will of money. I contend that unemployment and food stamps are the will of money. They want to avoid riots and crime while the continue to steal from the middle class. Social Security and Medicare are from the past and money will see them dismantled.
I figured that there would be stimulus checks this year before the election, but now I don’t think so. Only the well connected get bail outs.
Gong! Congress shall perform the duties delineated in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution (specifically entitled “Powers of Congress”).
No authority is granted to Congress to do otherwise. Alas, that doesn’t stop ‘em.
Do you think any of this debt fueled the bubble?
http://finance.yahoo.com/college-education/article/108846/the-555000-student-loan-burden?mod=edu-continuing_education
I am thinking this is typical more than anyone knows. Makes Greece look like the high school in Grease.
The news wasn’t as bad as it could have been, especially considering the economic challenges posed during the summer of 2009.
During August, for example, sales tax revenue was down by more than 30 percent over the prior year. March 2009 presented its own challenges, with tax receipts off by more than 26 percent over the year before.
So when the town last week released its sales tax figures for the year just ended, a drop of 14.75 percent seemed pretty good, all things considered. That’s about on track with the city of Aspen, which also recorded tax declines of about 14 percent for the year.
County sales tax collections in Snowmass Village were off by 18.86 percent over the prior year.
A strong December, where collections were down by 3.30 percent over 2008, helped bring up the average. Still, this was the weakest December in terms of sales tax collections in more than five years.
There were two other months during 2009, February and May, when collections were off by single digits as well.
Reflecting the state of the real estate industry, real estate transfer tax collections for the year were down by a whopping 70.53 percent, with three months, January, April and December recording declines of 90 percent off or more over the prior year. That meant only about $1 million was earned from RETT, a huge contrast to the prior year, when the tax earned about $3.65 million.
Retail was hard hit – general retail was off by 18 percent and the “miscellaneous” category down by 30 percent. Grocery sales, sports equipment, liquor and drug categories were all down by percentages in the teens while lodging was off by 20 percent and restaurants down by about 5 percentage points over those recorded in 2008.
US banks take hit to clear home loan books
~FT New York February 17 2010
Big US banks including Bank of America, Wells Fargo, JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup are moving to clear their books of troubled mortgages by embracing “short sales”, in which homeowners settle debts by selling their properties for less than the mortgage value.
Short sales are expected to climb sharply this year as home values continue to fall in some parts of the US, leaving many borrowers owing more on their mortgages than their homes are worth.
Great idea. Two years too late, guys.
AVALANCHE!!!
Thar She Blows
Does this news suggest that Megabank, Inc might be reducing its residential real estate business, focusing its energies on other lines at which it excels, such as CRE or helping countries hide their sovereign debt off balance sheet?
Are short sales recorded as comps?
I believe they (fraudulently) report the outstanding (unpaid) principle value of the loan on homes that are taken back as the ’sales price.’ Please correct me if you have better information.
Also not sure whether the above applies to short sales, or just to when lenders take back homes as REO.
CitiMortgage’s pitch to delinquent borrowers: Give us the keys and you can stay free for six months
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 5:46 p.m. Tuesday, Feb. 16, 2010
With rising numbers of Floridians defaulting on their home loans, CitiMortgage is now allowing some owners to stay in their homes six months for free in exchange for handing over the keys.
The program, which began Friday and is being tested in five other states, cancels the borrower’s debt while awarding them at least $1,000 to cover relocation costs.
For the bank, the benefit is avoiding foreclosure expenses and lengthy court cases.
But the advantage for the borrower is less clear.
With backlogged courts and overwhelmed lenders, people facing a foreclosure in Florida are already staying in their homes for free for a year or longer. Plus, the black mark on a borrower’s credit will be basically the same under the new program as if the home was foreclosed on.
“We’re committed to finding every solution possible to help families facing foreclosure,” said Sanjiv Das, CEO of CitiMortgage. “Not every homeowner has the financial stability to remain in their home.”
Fort Lauderdale real estate attorney Shari Olefson said the idea of letting people stay in their homes for six months for free is a good one, but won’t solve the nation’s foreclosure crisis. “The reality in Florida is you can sit still in your house and not pay your mortgage and be there for much longer than six months,” she said.
Am I the only one that doesn’t see any “news” here? Only “expectations” of a climb in short-sales - something that’s been predicted for about 2 years now? The climb has already been happening, but it’s been way less than at the expected rate.
This bit makes no mention of either:
- specific steps/legislation to fuel this climb
- specific forecasts of how much they’ll climb
Thus to me it seems purely a fluff piece - lip service to make it look like the banks are taking it on the chin, when we know they’re really not.
heard a virginia politicain on the radio discussing an internet sales tax. his conclusion…”hey…we gotta build roads”.
everytime one of these wasteful spending politcians talks about a tax increase it’s either about the children or the effin roads.
makes my blood boil. i am to the point now where i say screw the damn roads.
i remember hitting a pothole once.. it caused a hard thump. I got out and carefully examined the tire. No marks or damage of any kind. So, i go on my way.
A couple months later, I’m on the freeway in the desert about 300 miles from home.. and i feel a definite vibration. It’s getting worse fast.
I pull off onto some gravel and do a walk around and see nothing.. lug nuts are tight, etc. By pure luck I run my hand over that same front tire tread and feel a raised bulge.
I make it to a Firestone dealer about 50 miles away.. The tread has separated on the virtually new tire. I ask how that could happen.. a defect? Nope. Tread separation is commonly caused by running over something. It weakens the bond between tread and tire.
I lost a tire tread on a rear tire once at freeway speed. I think the tire was punctured and deflated, and finally the tread sheared off. Traffic was not heavy and I got over to the side ok.. but if a front tire goes? Could be trouble.
U.K. Unemployment Claims Jump to Highest Since 1997.
Feb. 17 (Bloomberg) — U.K. jobless claims unexpectedly jumped in January to the highest level since Tony Blair led the ruling Labour Party to power almost 13 years ago as the recession destroyed work at businesses from carmakers to banks.
A local realtor called me today following up an inquiry on an airplane hanger a few months ago. Apparently one just sold for what she thought was a good price. I told her to call me when one goes for a mid-nineties price and she laughed. She stopped laughing when I asked her how business was and we proceded to have a conversation about the current state of the economy. She thinks this is a depression to which I replied we havent seen the depression yet but stay tuned, you will know when it comes. She called me a pessimist. A depression is the only cure for the sickness the world has contracted. We need to stop with the denial and welcome the next phase.
“She called me a pessimist.”
According to the wrapper from some dark chocolate I ate yesterday: a pessimist is an optimist with experience.
Va. Senate OKs sales tax bill for online retailers
By BOB LEWIS (AP) – 20 hours ago
RICHMOND, Va. — A bill that would require global online shopping giants such as Amazon to start collecting and paying Virginia sales taxes won easy Senate passage Tuesday.
The Senate voted 28-12 to advance to the House a bill intended to collect millions of dollars in lost revenue at a time when the state faces a $4 billion shortfall.
Sponsor Emmett Hanger argued that struggling owners of so-called “brick-and-mortar” stores are struggling and shouldn’t have to compete with monied multinationals who ignore state taxes.
“They’re being undercut by businesses that don’t pay sales taxes, and that flaunt it,” said Hanger, R-Augusta, noting that their Web sites entice customers to avoid the 5 percent tax.
While sales have been flat or worse for traditional retailers who have to pay the tax, Hanger said, multinational Internet sales behemoths have seen profits soar, Hanger said.
“And that is a significant amount of revenue that Virginia is losing and we should be getting part of that,” Hanger said.
Opponents, however, said the bill would have no effect on the major global online retailers it attempts to target. Instead, it would devastate small, Virginia-based online businesses who form alliances with the major companies, said Sen. Mark Herring, D-Loudoun, whose district includes the Dulles headquarters of AOL.
Faced with the requirement to pay Virginia taxes, Herring said, large online retailers will merely stop doing business in Virginia, severing their partnerships with small businesses in the state that had relied on them.
“Has Virginia’s economy not contracted enough? Do we need it to contract even more,” Herring asked? “This is an issue that needs to be addressed in Congress, not here.
The bill benefited from support by many Republicans who are strident opponents of higher taxes. One was Sen. Steve Martin, R-Chesterfield.
“I do not see this as a tax increase,” said Martin, among the Senate’s most conservative members. “This is an equity issue. This is an issue of trying to ensure that those who comply with existing law can compete with those who do not.”
The bill benefited from support by many Republicans who are strident opponents of higher taxes. One was Sen. Steve Martin, R-Chesterfield.
Excu-u-u-use me!
That’s because this is a tax on the middle class, and small business. They are OK with those taxes, they only care about tax cuts for the top 0.5%. Then just let it trickle down.
Cross the board tax on visa/mastercard/amex purchaes in the state. Problem solved.
Obama: Stimulus Bill Saved Troubled Economy- AP
President Barack Obama hailed Wednesday’s one-year-old economic stimulus law as a solid accomplishment that staved off another Great Depression and kept up to 2 million people on the job. Still, with millions still out of work and losing patience, Obama acknowledged that to them, “It doesn’t yet feel like much of a recovery.”
Plugs sez….
Biden: Taxpayers Got ‘Money’s Worth’ From Stimulus Bill
AP
Vice President Joe Biden asserted in an interview Wednesday that taxpayers have “gotten their money’s worth” out of the $787 billion stimulus program that Congress passed during the depths of the recession.
Repubican’s PUBLICLY yelling: Democrapts are “Spending, Spending, Spenting”!
Repubican’s PRIVATELY murmuring: “How much did your state get?… good, good, good.”
Did you get a bloody nose from your knee, Hwy?
“Someone once threw me a small, brown, hairy Kiwi Fruit, and I threw a wastebasket over it until it was dead.” Erma Bombeck
SCUM!!!! Thanks for needlessly killing an Olympic athlete.
* The Wall Street Journal
* VANCOUVER OLYMPICS
* FEBRUARY 16, 2010
Speed and Commerce Skewed Track’s Design
By DAVID CRAWFORD in Leipzig, Germany, and REED ALBERGOTTI and IAN JOHNSON in Vancouver
Years before a young luge racer from the Republic of Georgia flew to his death at the Olympics last week, officials made a series of decisions designed to make the icy track a commercial success after the Games but that left it faster, and ultimately more dangerous, than any competitive track before.
Driven in part by the desire to locate the luge and bobsled track for the 2010 Vancouver Games in a high-traffic tourist area with cold temperatures, planners chose a valley at Whistler resort that was steeper and narrower than sites of previous Olympic tracks, according to press reports and interviews with those involved.
The result was a track whose speeds marked a quantum leap in a sport where even small increases require big adjustments from the athletes. After trials of the track in 2008, the course’s German designer says he told the Vancouver Games’ organizers and the international luge and bobsledding governing bodies that he was revising the track’s projected luge speed upward by 5.5%—to 96 miles an hour—nearly nine miles an hour faster than the standing 2000 world speed record.
According to 2008 engineering documents and letters reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, officials signed off on the course’s speeds. By last year, some of these officials said such speeds are unsafe and recommended that courses built in the future be slower.
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They don’t care who lives or dies, so long as the ratings are good and they make money off it.
NCAA = Education
They can always blame the victim for his own death, as dead men tell no tales.
Truth is, the death undoubtably increased their ratings. Plan accomplished.
Who’d ‘ave thunk there might be a CRE angle on the deadly luge course?
Whistler Auction? Olympic Ski Resort Could Be Sold During Games
JEREMY HAINSWORTH | 01/21/10 08:45 AM | AP
Read More: Whistler, Whistler Auction, Whistler For Sale, Whistler Olympics, Winter Olympics, Winter Olympics 2010, Sports News
Whistler Auction Olympic Ski Resort
VANCOUVER, British Columbia — The Whistler ski resort, home to next month’s Olympic downhill, could be auctioned off in the middle of the Games after creditors moved to auction off the assets of Intrawest LLC.
A public notice of foreclosure has been posted in newspapers by the company’s lenders, which include Lehman Brothers and Davidson Kempner Capital Management, saying that an auction to sell the assets will be held Feb. 19, right in the midst of the Olympics.
The Intrawest properties also include the Whistler Sliding Centre which is the site of the bobsleigh and luge.
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Zsa Zsa’s husband says he’s ready to lead Calif.
(AP) Feb. 17, 2010
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — What the world already knows of Prince Frederic von Anhalt reads like a tabloid writer’s dream: eighth husband of Zsa Zsa Gabor, lover (never confirmed) of Anna Nicole Smith, self-proclaimed member of European royalty.
The 65-year-old flamboyant socialite says he’ll add a new title on Wednesday: California gubernatorial candidate.
Von Anhalt and his attorney said they will file his candidate papers in late morning at the secretary of state’s office in Sacramento.
If he follows through, von Anhalt would be the only independent in a field that includes Republicans Meg Whitman and Steve Poizner and the presumed Democratic candidate, Attorney General Jerry Brown.
Frédéric Prinz von Anhalt.. yawn..
California is expected to settle for a lousy prince who got there only by being adopted at the age of 35? (real dad was a cop)
We deserve true nobility. A blue blood King!
Some of y’all might remember my post from two weeks back, when a FSBO that paid to be on a listing service called my flat-rate representative on a house the night before we were scheduled to look at it and said, “tell your clients to bring their checkbook and be prepared to make an offer as there are already two offers.”
To which we replied, “Cancel the showing, we’re not interested in playing games.”
We got an update yesterday, the asking price of the house in the listing dropped 5%. Obviously, didn’t have two offers, or if they did, they weren’t high enough. Told Mrs. Chile if our representative calls us mentioning that it is still on the market and had a price drop to tell the seller the same thing we did before “No - we don’t play games.”
[It helps that I'm not interested in the house at all, even at half the price currently being asked.]
Why is your agent or representative wasting energy on this? Doesn’t he/she know where you stand?
If you expect an agent to find what you really want, maybe it’s wisest to let your rep know what’s in your mind. Then they can focus on it.
“tell the seller to bring their scissors and be prepared to make a lower ball offer as you are looking at two other houses”
joey - all they do is take the call, and I suspect that the seller will be initiating the call. If our representative calls us, fine. We’re not paying them enough to think, just do, and 30 seconds out of our day isn’t a problem. And they’re just as much of a jerk as we are.
I’m actually a little bummed they haven’t called, just because I’d love to twist the knife a little.
House window-shopping is fun as is annoying wishful thinkers… i was just thinking that the agent should know what’s what. He might trip over a perfect property but not even know you’d be interested.
Buying a FSBO is a pain from start to finish. What’s the motivation? To “save” 3% (minus $19.95 invested in FSBO For Dummies) ? Lots of room for negotiations there? And how much trouble can a person get into by dealing RE with an idiot?
Or, are they sharks cruising for fish? Check and see if it’s a RE broker.. They can sell their “own” property without revealing who they are and without being bound by professional rules of conduct (to my knowledge, anyway).
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Since a buyer’s commissioned agent probably won’t deal with you again in this lifetime and has no reason to protect your interests, I wouldn’t get FSBO-involved without being represented by a RE attorney who’s being paid by the hour..
On Sunday, my visiting parents and I attended my first San Diego open house since 2005 or so (I actually think it was my first, though memory is foggy). The place was devoid of used home sellers, completely empty, save for a sign that gave the vitals:
- Offered at $1.1 million
- 4 br, 3.5 baths
- 2,949 square feet
I guess that comes out to $1,100,000/2,949 = $373 / sq ft wishing price, in a town where Radar Logic says the (recent) average price per square foot was $194, as of 12/10/09.
The home was attractive, but not very functional. I described it to my parents as a “show home”: a house designed to help sell homes, rather than to be lived in.
U.S. Economy Grinds To Halt As Nation Realizes Money Just A Symbolic, Mutually Shared Illusion. ~February 16, 2010
~Onion News Network~
WASHINGTON—The U.S. economy ceased to function this week after unexpected existential remarks by Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke shocked Americans into realizing that money is, in fact, just a meaningless and intangible social construct.
Calling it “basically no more than five rectangular strips of paper,” Fed chairman Ben Bernanke illustrates how much “$200″ is actually worth.
What began as a routine report before the Senate Finance Committee Tuesday ended with Bernanke passionately disavowing the entire concept of currency, and negating in an instant the very foundation of the world’s largest economy.
“Though raising interest rates is unlikely at the moment, the Fed will of course act appropriately if we…if we…” said Bernanke, who then paused for a moment, looked down at his prepared statement, and shook his head in utter disbelief. “You know what? It doesn’t matter. None of this—this so-called ‘money’—really matters at all.”
“It’s just an illusion,” a wide-eyed Bernanke added as he removed bills from his wallet and slowly spread them out before him. “Just look at it: Meaningless pieces of paper with numbers printed on them. Worthless.”
Paper money may be worthless, but it sure is easy to carry around.
I think a $1,000 bill or coin is a good idea, and it would be even more convenient than a bunch of hundreds. Money clips are woefully inadequate. Using a rubber band is so.. gauche.
We wouldn’t want to encourage people to do bigger deals in cash. It’s important that we wean people off cash and onto a system we can track.
It’s kinda odd, but many of the same people who claim money is worthless get their panties in a bunch at the mention of a cashless society..
i guess they prefer the best of both worlds.. computer bytes backed by “gold”?
Meaningless pieces of paper with numbers printed on them. Worthless.”
If only more people would realize that…
Tom Clancy’s novel “Debt of Honor” written in the late 80’s, I believe, dealt with the notion that money has no value other than as a medium of exchange based on the belief that whatever you take in currency can be passed along to the next person for approximately the same value of goods or services.
The book went on to describe the evil deeds of Japanese (I think) econo-terrorists. A great read.
money has no value other than as a medium of exchange based on the belief that whatever you take in currency can be passed along to the next person for approximately the same value of goods or services.
That’s exactly what money is, in fact.
The underlying problem, of course, being the erosion of that belief, based on existence of currency that has been created without any addition of goods and services.
Right! Great accidentally-correct definition of money there…
Calling it “basically no more than five rectangular strips of paper,” Fed chairman Ben Bernanke illustrates how much “$200″ is actually worth.
Well I see his problem - he’s attempting to pass off $40 bills! I don’t think we make those, do we?
“basically no more than five rectangular strips of paper,”
Filed under: “Are you smarter than a 5th grader”
Using x5 US paper money bills can you arrive at $200.00?
Yes. That’s not something you’d normally do though; if you wanted $200 usually you’d use 4 $50’s or 2 $100’s or 10 $20’s or something like that.
You do realize that the source is The Onion?
Yes, I know. Usually their satire doesn’t include that type of absurdity though, but I guess so in this case.
too easy..
100 + 50 + 20 + 20 + 10
how about this:
Name 8 bills that add to $200
50.50.20.20.20.20.10.10
hmm.. 2 hours..
Time’s up. Put down your pencils.
100
50
20
20
5
2
2
1
50 * 2 + 20 * 4 + 10 * 2
100 + 50 + 10 * 4 + 5 * 2
100 + 50 + 20 + 10 + 5 * 4
maybe others
Really wmbz?… is this what he said or are YOU & The Onion writing in your editorial Authorial Intrusions again?
Calling it “basically no more than five rectangular strips of paper,” Fed chairman Ben Bernanke illustrates how much “$200″ is actually worth.
“It’s just an illusion,” a wide-eyed Bernanke added as he removed bills from his wallet and slowly spread them out before him. “Just look at it: Meaningless pieces of paper with numbers printed on them. Worthless.”
I wish more HBB posters would get on board with this idea and send me all their worthless green paper in a large sack, COD.
PB - your common sense sarcasm not withstanding, even you must admit these ridiculous deficits as far as the eye can see bode very poorly for the “value” of the US dollar. This year it is 1.6 trillion in the red, next year ?2 trillion? Especially if interest rates go up. What about a double dip when the 1 million census workers get canned?
Do you really want “dollars” when the US government is printing $2 trillion extra ones and giving them to other people? The dollar’s value is based on perception and perceived scarcity. If you have to work hard for a dollar it is worth something. If the US government is printing or “creating” trillions of them and handing them around indiscriminately, your dollar is worth less.
So far, most of the created dollars have been hoarded by insolvent banks. That will not happen again, as people are sick and tired of the bankers taking government cash, hoarding it, throwing people on the street and paying their executives outrageous bonuses.
Only thing is, I see big deficits in other fiat currencies, and I also see lots of smart folks grabbing the obvious inflation hedges (gold, real estate, stocks), suggesting the obvious alternatives to fiatscos have already seen a big fear-driven runup in their prices. How these various panic-driven waves of investment balance out over time is anyone’s guess.
From further down in the article:
‘Likewise, the real estate industry has all but vanished, with mortgage lenders seeing no reason to stop people from reclaiming their foreclosed-upon homes.
“I don’t even know what we were thinking in the first place,” said former banker Nathan Collins of Brandon, MS, as he jimmyed open a door to allow a single mother and her five children to move back into their house. “A bunch of people sign a bunch of papers, and now this family has no place to live? That’s just plain ludicrous.”
The realization that money is nothing more than an elaborate head game seems to have penetrated the entire country: In Wilmington, DE, for instance, a collection agent reportedly broke down in joyful sobs when he informed a woman on the other end of the phone that he had absolutely no reason to harass her anymore, as her Discover Card debt was no longer comprehensible.’
My wife’s question upon reading this article:
“Is this a real story?”
Rich Flee New Jersey, Snookie Remains
By Sean Higgins
New Jersey’s leaders had a great idea for balancing the budget a few years back. Tap the state’s wealthy through hikes in income taxes, property taxes and even a “wealth tax”. So, how’s that working out? Not so well, reports the Newark Star-Ledger:
More than $70 billion in wealth left New Jersey between 2004 and 2008 as affluent residents moved elsewhere, according to a report released Wednesday that marks a swift reversal of fortune for a state once considered the nation’s wealthiest.
Conducted by the Center on Wealth and Philanthropy at Boston College, the report found wealthy households in New Jersey were leaving for other states — mainly Florida, Pennsylvania and New York — at a faster rate than they were being replaced.
The story notes that this is a reversal from the five years prior to 2004, when wealthy people were moving into the state. All of that stopped abruptly with the tax hikes. That’s a big problem for the Garden State because the top 1% of taxpayers pay about 40% of the state income tax. As one expert quoted in the story dryly notes, the loss of those residents may explain state budget shortfalls.
Wow, who knew the wealthy actually had the resources to relocate themselves if they decided taxes were too high?
An alternate theory — that they are fleeing the state in embarrassment over the “Jersey Shore” reality TV show — doesn’t hold up since the exodus predates the show’s premiere. It probably isn’t helping though.
Conducted by the Center on Wealth and Philanthropy at Boston College, the report found wealthy households in New Jersey were leaving for other states — mainly Florida, Pennsylvania and New York — at a faster rate than they were being replaced.
Wealthy people moving to PA, eh? Wait ’til they get a load of this:
PA has some of the stupidest liquor laws in the U.S.
Keene Construction shutting down
Orlando Business Journal -
Keene Construction Co., a 28-year-old commercial builder responsible for more than $1 billion of mostly retail projects, is shutting down.
Sources told Orlando Business Journal the company will close its doors Friday, but company officials would not confirm that.
A lack of business and cash to keep the company going through a downturn in commercial building prompted David A. Whitehill, president of the company, to pull the plug on the company, said Gary L. Keene, who co-founded Keene Construction with Whitehill in 1982.
“He tried to keep it going, but ran out of money,” Keene said Whitehill told him.
Whitehill did not respond to calls seeking comment.
Keene sold his stake in the company to Whitehill in June 2005, but still has an employment contract with the company and receives financial records from the Maitland-based builder.
There was aan interesting read on Patrick.net this morning. It said that in Sacramento (MSA I took it to mean) there are 9500 empty retail addresses. This is data compiled by the USPO. So, if you figure 15,000 sq ft of space per store, that is 142 million square feet of empty CRE. Figure a typical big box store runs 100,000 square feet, that is the equivalent of 142 Walmarts sitting empty.
I don’t know CRE, but that seems like a lot.
U.S. runs $43 billion budget deficit in January
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The U.S. government ran a budget deficit of $43 billion in January, the Treasury Department reported Wednesday. It was the 16th straight month in which the government posted a deficit, but the number was down from the year-ago number of $63 billion. January’s outlays of $248 billion were the second-largest January total on record. Receipts were $205 billion in January.
Curious as to where the numbers come from. The U.S. treasury officially reported the following debt figures:
Dec. 31, 2009: $12,311,349M
Jan. 31, 2010: $12,278,636M
Thus officially showing we were in the black through January, interestingly.
(Debt as of Feb. 16th was $12,384,358M though)
link
We Need a Second Stimulus Now, Says Nobel Laureate Stiglitz, or Americans Will Be Unemployed for Years.
Feb 17, 2010 by Henry Blodget
One year after the launch of an $800 billion emergency stimulus package to jolt the country out of a deep recession, the White House is touting the plan’s success. But while most observers agree that the country’s huge unemployment problem and sluggish economy would be much worse if not for the stimulus, many experts are calling for round two.
One expert in favor of a second stimulus, professor Joseph Stiglitz of Columbia University, argues that the first stimulus was far too small and that the government should launch a second one immediately. Without a second stimulus, Stiglitz says, we may be headed for a “double-dip” recession and our 10% unemployment rate is likely to remain too high for years.
What’s that definition of a fool again?
Yep, but it’s a safe bet that once spring wilts & summer doldrums are followed by fall, falling. The talk of more ’stimulation’ will be dripping from the fat lips of every politician running for re-election.
“What’s that definition of a fool again?”
Someone who has yet to figure out that in the long run, Keynes’ theory is dead?
Excellent!
Aug 9, 2014
Five years after the launch of the first of seven $800 billion emergency stimulus packages, meant to jolt the country out of a deep recession, many experts are in favor of an eighth stimulus..
We Need a Second Stimulus Now
I’ll drink to that!!!! Here - have another!!!
Ocifer, I’m not as think as you drunk I am.
The White House is all a-crow about the effects of the current stimulus and its effect on job creation/saving.
Well, that got me going. Here’s what I sent to the White House this morn:
I think it’s about time that the President and his Administration recognize that the focus on job creation is misguided. Why? Because a lot of the jobs that were lost during the current recession are not coming back.
This is not to say that there isn’t a lot of work to be done in this country. There is.
But there are plenty of things that can be done outside of the employment realm. Take my own situation as an example. I’m a freelance graphic designer and photographer. From my 90 square-foot home studio in Tucson, Arizona, I deal with clients all over the country. I’m also a staff writer for an Australian website called Freelance Switch – my beat is the business side of creativity.
Like many of my fellow creative professionals, my business has been on the upswing for the past few years. Yes, you read that right. Business is getting better for us, even in the midst of the Great Recession.
And lest you think that we freelancers are just biding our time until someone comes along and offers us a great job, think again. Many of us look upon our years of employment like a jail sentence. We’re free of jobs – and all of the commuting hassles and office politics that go with them – and we’re not going back.
To add a bit of historical perspective, consider what’s happened to recent American Presidents after they’ve left the White House. Except for Lyndon Johnson, Ronald Reagan, and George H.W. Bush, they all have pursued an entrepreneurial path. I suspect that, given his considerable talents for writing and speaking, the same will be true for President Obama.
So, if independent entrepreneurship is good enough for former Presidents, it’s good enough for the American people.
With regards from your ambassador from the State of Freelancia,
Arizona Slim (Actually, I signed off with my real name.)
Great Orators of the Democrat Party!
‘One man with courage makes a majority.’
- Andrew Jackson
‘The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.’
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
‘The buck stops here.’
- Harry S. Truman
‘Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country.’
- John F. Kennedy
Current crop of Democrat orators…Not that the republicants are any better!
‘It depends on what your definition of ’sex’ is?’
- Bill Clinton
‘That Obama - I would like to cut his NUTS off!’
- Jesse Jackson
‘Those rumors are false … I believe in the sanctity of marriage.’
- John Edwards
‘I invented the Internet.’
- Al Gore
‘The next person that tells me I’m not religious, I’m going to shove my rosary beads up their ASS.’
- Joe Biden
‘America is — is no longer, uh, what it — it, uh, could be, uh, what it was once was…
Uh, and I say to myself, ‘uh, I don’t want that future, uh, uh for my children.’
- Barack Obama
‘I have campaigned in all 57 states.’
- Barack Obama (Quoted 2008)
‘You don’t need God anymore… you have us Democrats.’
- Nancy Pelosi (Quoted 2006)
‘Paying taxes is voluntary.’
- Harry Reid (Quoted 2008)
‘Bill is the greatest husband and father I know. No one is more faithful, true, and honest than he.’
- Hillary Clinton (Quoted 1998)
‘The next person that tells me I’m not religious, I’m going to shove my rosary beads up their ASS.’
- Joe Biden
That’s a great quote! Should be in the previous list.
Arlington plans tax increase, layoffs
Washington Examiner: February 17, 2010
Arlington County is planning to beat its $32.5 million budget gap for next fiscal year with a property tax increase, a $16.2 million cut in expenditures, and 87 fewer employees.
The increase in property taxes would amount to an average of $235 more for an average household in fiscal 2011.
Public safety would be hard hit under the proposed cuts. Community policing would be sliced in half, and one of the county’s Heavy Rescue Units would be terminated.
The budget, proposed to the County Board on Tuesday by Acting County Manager Barbara Donnellan, would increase the funding for Metro and for health care by $1.5 million each.
CLICK!
HOUSING MARKET
Fed’s mortgage farewell
Central bank is helping to keep rates low and fund loans for refinancers and home buyers, but will end its support in March. Greg McBride at Bankrate.com says if you’re eager to refinance, get going.
The Fed certainly is making a big production out of their exit from the housing market. This leads me to believe the whole exercise is some kind of PR scam.
“This leads me to believe the whole exercise is some kind of PR scam”.
Count on it!
Actions, not words.
The Fed
Feb. 17, 2010, 1:29 p.m. EST
Fed should sell mortgage-backed bonds, Plosser says
By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The Federal Reserve should begin to sell off its stockpile of mortgage-backed securities as the recovery gains strength, Philadelphia Fed President Charles Plosser said Wednesday in a speech on the Fed’s independence.
Last week, Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke said the Fed would probably not sell its assets anytime soon. But the apparent disagreement between Bernanke and Plosser could be more a matter of emphasis than actual disagreement about policy.
“As the economic recovery gains strength and monetary policy begins to normalize, I would favor our beginning to sell some of the agency mortgage-backed securities from our portfolio rather than relying only on redemptions of these assets,” Plosser said.
In his comments last week, Bernanke emphasized reducing the Fed’s portfolio slowly through redemptions of maturing securities, but he too said asset sales could be contemplated “when the economic recovery is sufficiently advanced.”
‘…but he too said asset sales could be contemplated “when the economic recovery is sufficiently advanced.”’
Predictions:
1) The conclusion of the housing crash will be financially engineered by the Fed to coincide with the green shoots labor market recovery.
2) Those who buy housing during the labor market recovery will see lower long term appreciation than the historical norm; a natural consequence of current market interventions to artificially prop up home prices during the Great Recession will be to steal away potential future gains from near-term home buyers.
Now there’s the product we’ve been waiting for…to force everyone to put part of their 401(k) into.
You jest, but if you look deeply at most 401k’s, that’s what you’ll find. There are MBS contained in most “guaranteed” funds. I found this out after my “guaranteed” fund actually went negative one quarter about two years ago. I was pissed.
Reminds me of a call I made to TIAA-CREF a few years ago. Asked them if they had any CDO investments. Answer: “Oh, no.”
Turns out that the answer was right on, especially when we consider what has happened to CDOs.
Our Wells Fargo stable return fund is marketed like some sort of stable money market, but when I looked into it, I found that it is relatively unregulated unlike mutual funds, and not FDIC insured. It didn’t take long to see that a lot of bad crap could be in that fund. Now may cash portion is in a treasury money market. I’ve moved all cash in the retirement fund for 2010 as I don’t like any of the other options.
If you want to have fun go to your retirement plan board meeting. Last year I was pushing for a TIPS fund. The Wells Fargo guy stood up and said, due to rotation in bonds that you would be just as well off in a standard bond fund should inflation strike. Nothing but blank looks from my coworkers who sit on the board, one member who was north of 70 whispered that I should join the board, as in he agreed with me, but he was still too timid to push for the fund or the energy fund I wanted. I also blasted the Wells Fargo Stable Return fund as getting meager money market return without the regulation and insurance. The WF guy didn’t like that.
Hey Meatson,
I just went to the retirement plan oversigt committee meeting in my town!
Filed under: “I have more digital toys than you do!”
By: Nick Mokey February 17, 2010 digitaltrends
PleaseRobMe Wakes Up Overzealous Twitter Users:
A new site twists around playful social networking tools to point out how they could be used for less innocent purposes.
Sharing every detail of your life with the Internet isn’t always the best idea. Besides getting you into hot water with your parents, in-laws, boss and all other matters of people you wish weren’t following your every move – see Lamebook – location-aware tweets have their own drawbacks: Wherever you are, we know you’re not home.
Sharing every detail of your life with the Internet isn’t always the best idea.
But that’s what we do here on the HBB!
“Wherever you are, we know you’re not home.”
Especially when you’re shopping at WalMart…
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com
Is nothing sacred?
Ha, Got give ‘em “credit” the “guru’s” never give up on “Financial Innovation”
What Citigroup Knows That You Don’t
by David Weidner Tuesday, February 16, 2010 Marketwatch
Where’s the Regulation?
The point is, when push comes to shove, will there be a market for the CLX? Won’t most of the institutions buying them be in trouble if they need to cash out? And who cashes them out, Citi? How much is Citi going to set aside to cover potential losses?
Citigroup, denies that it’s putting taxpayers at risk. Rather, it might have the opposite effect: for example strengthening an insurer when borrowing costs soar.
But a lot of finance pros have looked at this and they say the way CLX is laid out, there doesn’t seem to be any specific party responsible for paying on the contracts. If it’s Citi, what happens if Citi can’t pay? Under proposed reforms, Citi would be too big to fail and get a bailout if it ran into CLX trouble.
You, dear taxpayer, may be the ultimate counterparty to this “innovation.”
CLX raises a lot of questions, but let’s add one more. Where are the regulators?
For months, we’ve been hearing how there’s been a regulatory crackdown on Wall Street. Agents from the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Commodities Futures Trading Commission and Federal Reserve allegedly are swarming institutions such as Citigroup. They’re pushing banks to build up capital, reduce leverage and cut the risk-taking.
Testifying before the Financial Inquiry Commission, Lloyd Blankfein, chief executive of Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS), told lawmakers that his firm was under more scrutiny than ever, especially from the Fed.
GS and the boys saw how well the AIG scam worked and now they will run it again using Citi.
Oly’s very first post.
Dang, I miss her humor, her teasing of us, and the stories. Oh, the stories she could tell.
scroll down a bit to see someone announcing Anna Nicole Smith’s death.
This post caught my eye; Oly started posting about the time the subprime lending industry collapsed.
Comment by luvs_footie
2007-02-08 13:18:22
Talk about a snowball going down hill…………….
New Century Financial Corp……………..
PB was using Get Stucco at the time.
I was trying not to “Get Stucco” at the time (and still am…).
From Jas “The Bane” Jain
“No banks are NOT stupid. Banks are loaning OPM, i.e., they are playing with Other People’s Money.
Banks were raking in money by making loans. Why should they care if the problem develops some time in the future?
The incentives in the system are such fraud gets you ahead and if you don’t commit fraud you lose the business to someone who is ready to.”
Jas
Unable to get jobs, freed inmates return to jail.
Recidivism rate likely to rise as jobless rate for ex-cons may be 60 percent. MSNBC 2-17-10
A growing number of states are pushing inmates out of prison in early release programs designed to reduce overcrowding and save money. But faced with a tight job market and few employers willing to hire someone with a criminal record, many former inmates are likely to end up right back behind bars.
Last month, California began releasing prisoners deemed at low risk for re-offending. Colorado, Oregon, Kentucky and Connecticut, all wracked with budgetary issues, have instituted similar moves as a way to cut costs, while others, including Michigan and Mississippi, are considering similar initiatives.
It will be a race to the bottom. STates will release prisoners for property crime so they’ll have to up the ante and rob a bank, if that doesn’t work murder will be step #3, either that or burning their credit card and using cash only.
Federal Times ~ 2-17-10
The U.S. Postal Service could become insolvent if Congress doesn’t approve five-day mail delivery and change the way the agency funds its retiree health benefits, according to the agency’s top financial official.
“We will need [some assistance from Congress] or we will have difficulty paying all of our obligations this year,” said Joe Corbett, the Postal Service’s chief financial officer. “And going into next year, we might not have enough cash to operate. … We are dangerously close to running out of cash.”
The Postal Service posted a $297 million loss for the first quarter of fiscal 2010, which ended Dec. 31, 2009. Mail volume for that period fell by 8.9 percent. But that was an improvement over the previous quarter, when volume fell by 12.4 percent; and over the first quarter of 2009, when volume dropped 9.3 percent.
But the bigger financial picture for the Postal Service remains grim: mail volume has dropped from a peak of 212 billion pieces in 2006 to just 167 billion pieces today. And Corbett said the agency, which has faced multibillion-dollar deficits in the last few years, is running out of ways to cut costs.
Managers have already slashed 28 million work hours in fiscal 2010, and they’re on pace to cut 93 million in total this year — the equivalent of roughly 52,000 full-time employees. Those cuts come on top of the 115 million work hours that were cut in 2009.
The Postal Service doesn’t plan any layoffs; Corbett said those cuts will come through attrition.
But the bigger financial picture for the Postal Service remains grim: mail volume has dropped from a peak of 212 billion pieces in 2006 to just 167 billion pieces today. And Corbett said the agency, which has faced multibillion-dollar deficits in the last few years, is running out of ways to cut costs.
Mmmmm, demand for service down. Looks like cost-cutting is indicated.
And here’s a slender idea from Slim: Instead having postal people driving all over each ‘hood six days of the week, why not put them on an on-call basis like UPS or Fedex? Those companies won’t come to you for a pickup unless you ask them to.
Populations..
Alaska- 698,473
USPS (employees)- 656,000
North Dakota- 646,844
Vermont- 621,760
District of Columbia- 599,657
dang.. I can’t find that article (from last year) detailing how and why the USPS uses only ~50% of it’s current capacity.
South Carolina Lawmaker Seeks to Ban Federal Currency
Political Hotsheet ~ Brian Montopoli
South Carolina Rep. Mike Pitts has introduced legislation that would mandate that gold and silver coins replace federal currency as legal tender in his state.
As the Palmetto Scoop first reported, Pitts introduced legislation this month banning “the unconstitutional substitution of Federal Reserve Notes for silver and gold coin” in South Carolina.
In an interview, Pitts told Hotsheet that he believes that “if the federal government continues to spend money at the rate it’s spending money, and if it continues to print money at the rate it’s printing money, our economic system is going to collapse.”
“The Germans felt their system wouldn’t collapse, but it took a wheelbarrow of money to buy a loaf of bread in the 1930s,” he said. “The Soviet Union didn’t think their system would collapse, but it did. Ours is capable of collapsing also.”
The lawmaker believes that a shift to an economy based on gold and silver coins would give the state a “base of currency” should that collapse come. As one expert told the Scoop, however, his bill would likely be ruled unconstitutional because it “violates a perfectly legal and Constitutional federal law, enacted pursuant to the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution, that federal reserve notes are legal tender for all debts public and private.”
In addition, since gold and silver regularly fluctuate in value, they could not easily function as stable currency.
But Pitts maintains that his state is better off with something he can hold in his hand and barter with as opposed to federal currency, which he described to the Scoop as “paper with ink on it.” He says he resents what he considers the federal government’s intrusions on states’ rights.
Though he did not offer a timeframe, Pitts told Hotsheet that he anticipates a nationwide economic collapse “if our federal government continues the course it’s been traveling under the previous administration and this administration.”
Angela it ‘is’ a disgrace, please try and do something about it. Our U.S. administration will not. Period! They are owned by the banksters.
Merkel hits out at banks over Greek deals
Athens~ February 17 2010 20:22
The German chancellor has sharply criticised global investment banks that may have helped a number of Greek governments to disguise mounting budgetary problems over the years.
“It would be a disgrace if it turned out to be true that banks that already pushed us to the edge of the abyss were also party to falsifying Greek statistics,” Angela Merkel said during a speech in north-eastern Germany.
Her remarks came as George Papandreou, the Greek prime minister, said a special parliamentary commission would be set up to investigate possible mishandling of the public finances under the previous conservative government between 2004 and 2009.
“The principle is that we have to shine light everywhere it’s needed,” said Mr Papandreou.
“The principle is that we have to shine light everywhere it’s needed,” said Mr Papandreou.
Might it be wise to extend that light to all the EU country’s finances of the last few years? I just cannot fathom Greece being the only one to mask it’s debts.
Better to get it all out in the open with some measure of control. The world’s markets hate big surprises.
“I just cannot fathom Greece being the only one to mask it’s debts.”
This was the point of my metaphorical comparison in yesterday’s bits bucket to finding a roach in the kitchen; usually there are hundreds hidden from view nearby.
Reference:
That article is in the Financial Times.
(wmbz just beat me to the punch…)
“It would be a disgrace if it turned out to be true that banks that already pushed us to the edge of the abyss were also party to falsifying Greek statistics,”
Luckily for Megabank, Inc, their vocabulary excludes the word shame.
Not so WMBZ
Obama has proposed volker type regulation which has been shot down by Europe.
If President Barack Obama’s plan to ban proprietary trading at some banks was applied in the European Union, it could be problematic for the bloc’s universal banks, an E.U. document obtained by Reuters said.
Following a call from the Netherlands, which backs the proposal, European finance ministers will discuss its possible impact on the area’s banks at a meeting on Tuesday but no consensus is expected, the news service reported.
The plan, dubbed the Volcker rule after the former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker, stunned global markets last month and is already facing resistance in Congress.
European countries were not consulted and complained that a global approach to rulemaking being spearheaded by the Group of 20 developed and emerging economies was at risk, Reuters said.
Britain, France and Germany have said the approach should not be copied in Europe where many banks combine proprietary trading and commercial banking under one roof.
If you read up on Spain it was European banksters that have been used to hide their debt.
Previously posted link to NYT article I forgot this gem
Although members support the overarching aim of reducing build-up of risks in the financial system, they also emphasized the importance of a multilateral approach to financial markets regulation to ensure the necessary level playing field,” the document obtained by Reuters said.
We have to level the playing field by having an unlevel playing field, where banksters can move to our country to escape your regulation.
A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that the vast majority of Americans are vehemently opposed to a recent Supreme Court ruling that opens the door for corporations, labor unions, and other organizations to spend money directly from their general funds to influence campaigns.
As noted by the Post’s Dan Eggen, the poll’s findings show “remarkably strong agreement” across the board, with roughly 80% of Americans saying that they’re against the Court’s 5-4 decision. Even more remarkable may be that opposition by Republicans, Democrats, and Independents were all near the same 80% opposition range. Specifically, 85% of Democrats, 81% of Independents, and 76% of Republicans opposed it. In short, “everyone hates” the ruling.
“A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that the vast majority of Americans are vehemently opposed to a recent Supreme Court ruling that opens the door for corporations, labor unions, and other organizations to spend money directly from their general funds to influence campaigns.”
So what? The only thing that matters any more in America is what the people with Brazilians of dollars want.
So what? The only thing that matters any more in America is what the people with Brazilians of dollars want.
Not a rant against you, PB, just inspired by your comment…
Well, actually what matters is the constitution. If the people don’t like it, they can petition to have the constitution amended.
Really, it’s not like the court makes a ruling and it can’t be worked around. Yes, it sucks when the Supremes make a decision that seems to extend/wrongly interpret the constitution. But there is still a check on their power - the ability to amend the constitution.
Who cares what people favor regarding a court ruling? That’s the whole point of a system of laws, and the constitution itself - to not have each individual thing decided by popular opinion. If it’s popular enough, the laws can be changed (within the constraints of the constitution). And if that’s a problem, the constitution can be amended.
Well, actually what matters is the constitution. If the people don’t like it, they can petition to have the constitution amended.
Really, it’s not like the court makes a ruling and it can’t be worked around
Uhhh, it can’t be worked around if the people that get elected because of this ruling are owned by the big money that supported them. Judge Thomas went as far as saying that corporations should be able to donate anonymously to politicians.
There is no where in the constitutions that says money = free speach.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/17/housing-affordability-index-drops-back-below-50/
“For the fourth quarter, San Diego’s median price was listed at $319,000 and median income at $74,900. San Diego ranked as the nation’s most unaffordable market in the second quarter of 1996, when the median price was $165,000 and median household income was $46,600.”
Interesting is that San Diego housing prices would have to fall around 17 percent just to fall to the same multiples of income needed to buy a house in 1996 when San Diego was the least affordable housing market in the nation.
Feb. 17 (Bloomberg) — The International Monetary Fund, which set out in September to sell about 13 percent of its gold reserves, said it will “shortly” expand sales to the open market after central banks bought 212 metric tons in private deals.
“In accordance with the priority of avoiding disruption of the gold market, the on-market sales will be conducted in a phased manner over time,” the Washington-based IMF said in an e-mailed statement today.
The institution has 191.3 tons left to sell after purchases by the central banks of India, Mauritius and Sri Lanka. Central banks still have the option to buy more of the metal, which would reduce the amount available on the market, the IMF said.
The lender’s executive board on Sept. 18 approved the sale of 403.3 tons of bullion as part of a plan to shore up its finances and lend at reduced rates to low-income countries. With the gold price surge last year, the fund pocketed $7.15 billion from its sales to central banks.
After the IMF’s announcement, gold futures in New York fell as much as 1.3 percent in after-hours trading. Gold for April delivery traded at $1,107 an ounce as of 4:53 p.m. on the Comex unit of the New York Mercantile Exchange, after dropping as low as $1,105.50. Earlier, the contract settled at $1,120.10
Recap - Pensions are buying, IMF is selling gold.
I pointed out earlier that I thought that the selling of gold to other central banks, might be part of a plan to finance the IMF without pissing off the citizens of the purchasing countries. ie drive up gold prices and sell it to central banks at the peak. Then allow it to fall and buy it all back. Time will tell.
..Recap - Pensions are buying, IMF is selling gold.
That rang a bell. Wasn’t it earlier today that someone opined… ?
Comment by 2banana
2010-02-17 09:51:55
It seems when pensions get into something - the top is very near.
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Then allow it to fall and buy it all back…
Fear not. There is NO price manipulation in the gold market. Gold is sacred. Nobody would dare.
Ha ha — we are getting so many great rules of thumb out of this crisis!
Another one: The completion of the world’s latest tallest building is a good indication that a crash is about to unfold.
BREAKTHROUGH REVELATION:
Vancouver real estate does not always go up!!!
Anyone who says private markets always do it best had better pay close attention to the unfolding story of that dead luger.
Wednesday, February 17, 2010
A foreclosure of Olympic proportions
Atheletes and spectators at Whistler Olympic Park
The owners of Whistler Blackcomb ski resort, which is hosting many Olympic events, are behind in their debt payments. Creditors say they’re going to foreclose. Nancy Marshall Genzer reports.
Athletes, spectators and officials on the course during the men’s Nordic Cross Country individual sprint qualification at Whistler Olympic Park during the Vancouver Winter Olympics. (Franck Fife/AFP/Getty Images)
Kai Ryssdal: And because I am such a good guy I am not going to tell you what I know about who won what in Olympic ski racing today. Even though I read it on the newswires earlier, I am firmly in the camp of not wrecking anybody else’s tape-delayed viewing pleasure. But on the very hill that the downhill events are being run, there is a new Olympic event making its debut this week: It’s called foreclosure.
The group that owns the Whistler Blackcomb ski resort has fallen behind on its payments. And creditors say they are going to foreclose smack dab in the middle of the games. Marketplace’s Nancy Marshall Genzer reports.
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If they don’t get there, could Whistler Blackcomb be on the auction block on Friday? Would the Olympics be disrupted?
Jonathan Basile doesn’t think so. He’s an economist at Credit Suisse.
JONATHAN BASILE: If it’s going into foreclosure, maybe it’s in the pre-foreclosure process, and not necessarily further along where they’re going to take the keys from everybody and lock them out.
Why is Fortress Investment so close to losing the keys? Karen Petrou is with Federal Financial Analytics. She says Fortress built a bunch of swanky slope-side condos at Whistler, just before the bottom fell out of the housing market. People who had planned to take out a home equity loan to buy a second home at Whistler had to change their plans.
KAREN PETROU: The first homes have been ATMs for seconds, and the money just fell out of the machine.
Leaving Fortress Investment with a mountain of debt.
In Washington, I’m Nancy Marshall Genzer for Marketplace.
True confession:
There is just too much real estate crash news to keep up any more. We must be approaching peak tsunami crest, or we are headed into uncharted territory, or both.
Bloomberg
Beijing Seen Vacant for 50% as Chanos Predicts Crash (Update1)
February 12, 2010, 04:24 PM EST
More From Businessweek
* China’s January Loans Surge as Property Prices Climb (Update3)
* China Bank Measure Won’t Slow Inflation, Xie Says (Update1)
* China January Loans Surge, Property Prices Climb at Faster Pace
Feb. 12 (Bloomberg) — Jack Rodman, who has made a career of selling soured property loans from Los Angeles to Tokyo, sees a crash looming in China. He keeps a slide show on his computer of empty office buildings in Beijing, his home since 2002. The tally: 55, with another dozen candidates.
“I took these pictures to try to impress upon these people the massive amount of oversupply,” said Rodman, 63, president of Global Distressed Solutions LLC, which advises private equity and hedge funds on Chinese property and banking. Rodman figures about half of the city’s commercial space is vacant, more than was leased in Germany’s five biggest office markets in 2009.
Beijing’s office vacancy rate of 22.4 percent in the third quarter of last year was the ninth-highest of 103 markets tracked by CB Richard Ellis Group Inc., a real estate broker. Those figures don’t include many buildings about to open, such as the city’s tallest, the 6.6-billion yuan ($966 million) 74- story China World Tower 3.
Empty buildings are sprouting across China as companies with access to some of the $1.4 trillion in new loans last year build skyscrapers. Former Morgan Stanley chief Asia economist Andy Xie and hedge fund manager James Chanos say the country’s property market is in a bubble.
“There’s a monumental property bubble and fixed-asset investment bubble that China has underway right now,” Chanos said in a Jan. 25 Bloomberg Television interview. “And deflating that gently will be difficult at best.”
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Like I’s says…@ 1.3 BILLION peoples…China has their problems…we have ours…food isn’t one of them.
He better not travel to China, otherwise he’ll be locked up for revealing state secrets like the Rio Tinto guys.
China is a great country / civilization for many reasons but openness isn’t one of them.
“I took these pictures to try to impress upon these people the massive amount of oversupply,”
What was that memorable line from “Field of Dreams”?
Oh yeah:
“If you build it, they will come.”
Technically speaking, were all of the Fed’s bailout maneuvers “legal”? And doesn’t a crisis situation pretty much obviate any rules that normally apply, anyway?
* The Wall Street Journal
* OPINION EUROPE
* FEBRUARY 17, 2010, 3:46 P.M. ET
An Unlawful Bailout
Only the IMF, not the EU, can rescue Greece.
By SANDEEP GOPALAN
The details might still be uncertain, but the European Union appears determined to bail out Greece. The problem, though, is that such a move would be illegal.
To be sure, Greece needs help to prevent the contagion of sovereign-default risk to the other euro-zone countries with special borrowing needs—commonly referred to as PIIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, and Spain). But the EU should not and cannot be the knight in shining armor. That role belongs to the IMF.
The Treaty of the European Union makes it illegal for the EU as a whole and for individual member states to come to the rescue of EU countries in financial trouble. Article 125 clearly says that the “Union shall not be liable for or assume the commitments of central governments . . . or public undertakings of any member state.” Likewise, “a member state shall not be liable for or assume the commitments of central governments . . . of another member state” In order to prevent moral hazard, the treaty unequivocally rejects any wealth transfers to reward the spendthrifts.
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* The Wall Street Journal
* FEBRUARY 18, 2010
States Sink in Benefits Hole
By AMY MERRICK
State governments face a trillion-dollar gap between the pension, health-care and other retirement benefits promised to public employees and the money set aside to pay for them, according to a new report from the Pew Center on the States.
States promised current and retired workers a total of $3.35 trillion in benefits through June 30, 2008, said the report from the nonprofit research group, a division of Pew Charitable Trusts. But state governments had contributed only $2.35 trillion to their benefit plans to pay current and future bills, the report said.
The Pew report said its estimate of the funding gap would likely prove conservative, because it didn’t account for the massive investment losses pension funds suffered during the second half of 2008. Although there was a slight rebound last year, it wasn’t nearly enough to cover the previous losses, Pew said.
Researchers compiled the data by reviewing each state’s comprehensive annual financial report for fiscal year 2008, which for most states ended June 30, 2008. They also looked at pension-plan annual reports.
The pension problems started well before the recession. Even in good times, states were skipping pension payments, leaving larger holes to fill in future years. State legislatures also increased benefit levels without setting aside extra money to pay for them.
As a result, annual pension costs for states and participating local governments more than doubled, to more than $64 billion, from fiscal 2000 to fiscal 2008, said Susan Urahn, the research group’s managing director.
“We have a significant problem now, but it’s a problem that can be solved,” Ms. Urahn said. “If states wait, eventually they will have an unmanageable crisis on their hands.”
Investment returns won’t be enough to make up the shortfall, she said.
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State governments face a trillion-dollar gap between the pension, health-care and other retirement benefits promised to public employees and the money set aside to pay for them …
This is an issue where Illinois really shines — a state commission estimated our pension shortfall at $61 billion last year (nothing to sneeze at). But the Center For Business and Policy at the University of Illinois has this to say:
In 2008, the four large public pension plans in Illinois had combined assets of $65.7 billion. The combined liabilities of these four plans (calculated under flawed GASB rules) were $151.1 billion, for a shortfall of $85.4 billion.
If one uses a more theoretically appropriate rate on treasury yields, the present value of the liabilities is $284.8 billion, for a shortfall of $219.1 billion! That is more than 2.5 times greater than the official statistics indicate!
There is clearly a lot of wiggle room in the reported numbers!