February 18, 2010

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Comment by Stpn2me
2010-02-18 04:13:32

I hope this doesnt post twice….

Check this out guys. Me and household 6 were looking at this house before I got orders up north. They are asksing 320K. It zillows for between 197-312k. Why are they asking so much? Zillow even put it’s value at 260k. Hell, it last sold for 232k. Am I missing something? No sane person would pay 300+ for this place without a little research.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3415-Willow-Wind-Dr-Pfafftown-NC-27040/5813961_zpid/

BTW,

Just found out Muggy isnt the only one not shooting blanks. The Army has decided during my leave to issue me and the wife another tax deduction. We knew she was in the “zone”, so we decided to see what would happen. We were thinking about another child, one last hurrah. Looks like god has blessed us again. :) She is about 9 weeks along, so I guess we now have to start thinking about names. I floated the name “Ben”, but the wife wouldnt buy off on it. LOL. I will keep you updated…

Stpn2me

Comment by JMS
2010-02-18 04:50:33

Maybe they added the finished basement? Doesn’t that guarantee an additional 100k?

Comment by Stpn2me
2010-02-18 05:32:30

I dont know, but I wouldnt even start negotioations until they acknowledge the actual value of their home. And I wouldnt start talking at the high end either, I would start neg around 200+..

Comment by Bad Chile
2010-02-18 06:00:19

First off, congrats on the news.

As for the sellers…it only takes one greater fool to sell the house at a wishing price. Either that or they honestly believe it is worth what they’re asking.

I’ve found one listing that has been on the market for 1800+ days. I’ll try and find it tomorrow and post.

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Comment by MrsWheezer
2010-02-18 07:26:04

The people across the street from me have had their house on the market for a few years now. They’re asking $250k on a house that might be worth $190k (Zillow’s estimating $200k). Good luck with that. I don’t think they actually do want to sell it since they have put it on the market every year for at least the last 5 asking unreasonable prices…

Oh, and congratulations to you and your wife!

 
Comment by Kim
2010-02-18 13:40:46

One house a couple blocks from me has been FSBO for about three years. At an open house a couple years ago the owners confidently told us that they “weren’t in any hurry” and could “wait for the right buyer”. The owners are a retiring couple looking to head south (presumably on some GF’s dime). This week, a realtor’s sign went up in their yard. Guess that foot of snow we got last week pushed them over the edge.

 
Comment by pismoclam
2010-02-18 14:57:04

Maybe algore will buy it when he leaves his igloo in Wash DC.

 
Comment by nycjoe
2010-02-19 07:47:22

I knew a guy who lived next-door to my folks in Jersey. He, too, always had his house on the market for about 20% more than it would bear. Last year, I saw on RealtyTrac that somebody bought his “450K house” from the bank for 320K!

People sometimes price themselves that way in the game of life, too, right?

 
 
 
 
Comment by CA renter
2010-02-18 05:29:34

Congratulations, Step! That’s wonderful news. :)

Comment by Stpn2me
2010-02-18 05:40:25

Thanks..

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-02-18 07:33:24

I think it means you’re not shooting blanks…

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-02-18 05:33:34

Awesome stp!

 
Comment by wolfgirl
2010-02-18 06:06:14

Great news

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-18 07:05:31

Congrats Step. How many kids will that make for you two ?

Comment by Stpn2me
2010-02-18 07:22:45

We will have three…

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-02-18 07:30:19

Stpn, a lot of people in my community here think it’s still 2005. Remember, it’s just a house and there are plenty of others to choose from.

 
 
Comment by michael
2010-02-18 07:51:44

that house would be 800K to 1.2M in northern va.

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-02-18 15:42:23

Really? Is northern Virginia still that expensive?

Comment by jim
2010-02-19 08:28:31

“Its different here”

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Comment by rainmayun
2010-02-18 08:29:07

Congrats on the new family addition!

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-02-18 11:05:08

Step …Nice looking house ,but if it doesn’t comp. out it doesn’t comp out . Congrats on new baby coming .

 
 
Comment by Jimbo
2010-02-18 09:43:50

Boy, that looks like a nice house… i wish houses like that were 300k here in socal.

 
Comment by james
2010-02-18 09:57:09

You could nickname her Little Bubble in honor of the times.

Congrats. Keep yourself safe and keep up the good work.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-02-18 12:28:48

Congratulations to you and your wife, Step! The house looks lovely. Fortunately for you (and your growing family) there are a lot of lovely houses on the market.

 
Comment by SV guy
2010-02-18 14:06:29

Congrats’ Brother!

 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2010-02-18 16:00:30

“She is about 9 weeks along, so I guess we now have to start thinking about names. I floated the name “Ben”, but the wife wouldnt buy off on it. LOL.”

How about Hubber? :D

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-02-18 16:12:56

Congrats stpn2me!

 
Comment by Peggus
2010-02-18 16:43:15

Congrats on the wee one!

I seriously need to move, this is what $399000 gets you in my part of the country:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1656-Corson-St-Pasadena-CA-91106/2133746265_zpid/

Conveniently located right next to a major freeway.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-02-18 17:09:29

Hey, Step! Congrats on the forthcoming tax deduction! And thank you for serving our country.

 
 
Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-18 04:15:56

6:14 a.m. here in Michigan. Youse guyz must be feeling lazy this morning if I’m up and the first one here. I clicked on your new D.C. realtor advertiser…

Comment by Crash and Burn
2010-02-18 06:42:26

I can beat that. 3:36 AM here on Maui and I seem to have got myself kicked out of bed for snoring. She is back asleep and I am up for the morning. Come on coffee.

Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-18 07:03:37

Now thaat’s early. Stop snoring…

Comment by Crash and Burn
2010-02-18 07:43:27

Yes Dear. If I could do that I would be asleep now instead of cursing that there is no half and half in this house. Looks like I must man up and drink it black.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 07:49:22

Crash and Burn, come on now…you can do it! ;-)

 
Comment by Crash and Burn
2010-02-18 09:31:25

In 35 minutes the coffee shop down the road will be open. I can hold out to then.

 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-02-18 08:17:22

Since you don’t seem to have a problem with the snoring I’d say the wrong person left the bed.

Comment by Crash and Burn
2010-02-18 08:58:25

Since you are obviously right I will march right in there turn on the lights and tell her to “get the F**k out of bed!” Then she will shoot me….Hmmm…. Let me think about this…..

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Comment by combotechie
2010-02-18 09:15:56

We have a “mother-in-law” bed at our house to where my wife flees whenever my snoring become too much for her to bear. She also now-and-then wears earplugs.

 
Comment by Crash and Burn
2010-02-18 09:53:03

We too have an extra room if I wanted to sleep. Instead I get to watch the sunrise. Besides if I play my cards right naptime will arive at 3 PM and she gets to feed the dogs AND make dinner while I play the martyr kicked out of his bed card.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-02-18 13:29:04

“I play the martyr kicked out of his bed card.”

+1. You sir, know wisdom.

 
 
 
Comment by Al
2010-02-18 09:38:51

“I seem to have got myself kicked out of bed for snoring.”

Take a line out of the politician handbook. “I don’t recall any such snoring event.”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 10:00:31

lol ;-)

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Comment by Crash and Burn
2010-02-18 10:36:24

Been there and used that reply for many years. With time it wears thin. Hence the bed ejection.
But fear not. I have a nap planned for this afternoon. Say around 4PM. That means the bed ejector will have to feed the dogs and make dinner. She should perform these tasks with no complaint because of guilt. Guilt, my friends, is a powerful weapon.

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Comment by pismoclam
2010-02-18 15:07:05

When she calls for dinner, ‘what will you have sweetie?chicken,fish, or lamb? You say,’chicken’. She says’F-ck you, you’re having soup. I was talking to the CAT.

 
 
 
Comment by skb
2010-02-18 11:11:54

Geez,

When I get bothered by my husband’s snoring, I just gently tap his arm and say “baby, go on your side”. He rolls onto his side and gets quiet again.
She really kicks you out of the bed?

Comment by Crash and Burn
2010-02-18 12:06:20

Yes I think the difference between your husband and I is (according to her) I roll to the other side of the bed and prompty start up the chain saw up again. She is a smart cookie, “Honey roll over, honey roll over, honey roll” THUD Mission accomplished!

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Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-18 12:10:57

Mine pulls the same trick of turning over and happily starting to snore again, if he won’t don his C-Pap that night. Plus, he likes to watch the comedy channel and some other stuff not befitting his mature years which keeps me awake. Retirement can be wonderful. Too bad I’m not able to partake as of yet.

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-18 12:12:43

“The other stuff” isn’t the porn channel, at least when I’m trying to sleep. It’s extremely immature material though and he loves it….he explains it to me in brainy chemist terms but I explain to him that it’s still beneath his dignity. He doesn’t care :)

 
 
Comment by wolfgirl
2010-02-18 13:53:55

I just think how glad I am to have him around to snore.

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Comment by combotechie
2010-02-18 15:21:10

The sound a widow misses most of all.

 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2010-02-18 16:03:36

“The sound a widow misses most of all.”

Then she shouldn’t have kept that pillow over his face for so long. :D

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 04:18:54

The lending crunch: ‘It is very hard to survive’

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Small business loans continue to dry up at the nation’s biggest banks. Eleven top TARP recipients — including Wells Fargo, by far the nation’s largest lender to small companies — cut their collective small business loan balance by more than $2.3 billion in December, according to a Treasury report released late Tuesday.

The drop marked the eighth consecutive month of declines for the 11 banks. In that time, their total loan balance has fallen 7%, to $169.4 billion. Seven of the reporting banks have cut their small business loan balance every single month.

“Credit is still tight for many small businesses,” the Treasury acknowledged in a Feb. 10 report.

Comment by combotechie
2010-02-18 07:32:23

Meanwhile these eleven banks continue to collect - and keep - payments made for previous loans.

Collecting money and keeping money reduces the supply of circulating money, it reduces the money flow.

It’s not just the SUPPLY of money that keeps things humming, it’s also the FLOW of money.

 
Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2010-02-18 11:11:14

Is it the banks not lending to small biz or just smarter people not wanting to start a more than likely failure? It would be interesting to see the number of small biz loan applications today compared to say 3 years ago.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-02-18 15:14:45

A few weeks ago, I went to an SBA loan seminar. Among other things, I learned that only one in seven applicants actually get a loan.

I also learned that, due to their high failure rates, the SBA lenders don’t do restaurant or veterinary practice loans.

Comment by neuromance
2010-02-18 18:49:00

Not to worry! The FHA is making very low downpayment loans to anyone with a pulse it seems, and the government is buying up toxic mortgages with abandon, so clearly, some lending is going on.

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Comment by Cowtown
2010-02-18 13:21:58

That’s unpossible! The local newsreaders this morning told me that a vacant medical office building is being torn down, and a brand spankin’ new strip mall is going in. They even have tenants lined up - a Taco Shoppe and a “breakfast restaurant” (whatever that is).

I betcha the office building comes down, but the strip mall doesn’t get built.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 04:21:10

Dr Doom: China Will Drag Down US Stocks By 20%
Wednesday, 17 Feb 2010 ~ Fast Money

In a rare interview, one of the Street’s most influential strategists sounded the alarm about the next leg down.

And the trouble will likely start overseas, that’s according to Marc Faber, author of the “The Gloom Boom & Doom Report”

You may know Dr Faber by his moniker of “Dr. Doom”, and when this man talks, markets listen. He correctly identified the tech bubble, and now he’s setting his sights on China.

Specifically, Dr. Faber is concerned about the way in which Beijing’s decided to slam the brakes on growth — via a sharp reduction in lending.

That he says, will drag down any and every company that soared higher during the recent China boom.

“I would not buy Chinese stocks here,” Faber tells the Fast Money desk.

Comment by pressboardbox
2010-02-18 06:59:01

Uncle Ben’s got something for doctor doom: Our scam economy is now perfectly tuned to soar on its own. US economy does not need China, Europe, a decent government, air, water, or any other reality-based ingredient. We have the holy grail - a Perfect Ponzi-scheme, and there is not a single threat to to this rigged-to-perfection plan. Untouchable! Go USA!!!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 07:10:46

The Chinese and U.S. economies are decoupled now; end of story.

Comment by combotechie
2010-02-18 07:38:30

If you mean that our two economies are decoupled because port traffic from China to the U.S. is down a huge chunk, then, yeah, we are decoupled.

But if you mean we are decoupled because China gets a lot of its money from borrow-and-spend Americans, then we are not decoupled at all.

Comment by michael
2010-02-18 07:59:29

i would say that the chinese government policy is to decouple from the united states.

they haven’t/want/can’t done/do that over night…but it’s definately a policy shift.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 09:35:14

They seem to be about ready to end the marriage because Obiewan is visiting with the Dalai Lama. The symbiosis is becoming a wee bit fragile, neh?

 
Comment by michael
2010-02-18 11:19:28

what do they call it when you make a decision to do something based on something…but that something really has nothing to with why you made that decision to do that something?

 
Comment by polly
2010-02-18 11:43:40

Michael,

“Making excuses”?

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-02-18 16:20:42

“Lip service?”

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 17:39:13

michael, I think it’s called politics.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 07:17:56

“…That he says, will drag down any and every company that soared higher during the recent China boom.”

Geez, can you even imagine how long the lines will be in font of their recycling centers…anyone know if they have a preponderance of those coin counting machines? ;-)

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 04:23:35

IMF to Start Sales of 191.3 Metric Tons of Gold
17 Feb 2010 ~ Reuters

The International Monetary Fund on Wednesday said it will shortly begin selling 191.3 metric tons of gold in the open market under a program launched last year to boost its resources.

To avoid disruptions of the gold market, the IMF said the sales “will be conducted in a phased manner over time.” The fund kept open the possibility that central banks could still purchase some of the gold directly.

The IMF announced last year it would sell a total of 403.3 metric tons of gold, about one-eighth of its total stock, to diversify its sources of income and increase low-cost lending to poor countries.

Comment by rainmayun
2010-02-18 09:12:21

Take that, gold bugs!

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 09:28:53

Gold prices are flat since yesterday. Apparently the flooding of gold onto the market seems to be matched by the flooding of fiatscos onto the market.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 09:38:22

Sterilized gold dump…

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Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-18 12:14:03

Gold’s been flat for quite some time.

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-18 11:49:49

Take that, gold bugs!

They’re kinda shunning, shrugging, piling and wiggin’ today.

Investors shun paper currencies, pile into gold

LONDON (Reuters) - Gold jumped on Thursday as investors shunned paper currencies and piled into gold, while the market shrugged off dollar moves and news that the IMF would sell gold in the open market.

“The move is part of the ongoing transformation of gold from commodity to currency …

“Gold is something you can get your teeth into.”

people don’t want to do paper,”

Even 2 out of 3 of those things in combination sounds expensive.

Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-18 12:15:06

New way to store your gold stash: get 14k gold crowns on every tooth !!

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Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 04:33:55

Jones Apparel closing 166 stores in 2010
Silicon Valley / San Jose Business Journal

Jones Apparel, parent company to Nine West, Anne Klein and Easy Spirit, will close 166 specialty retail stores this year.

The New York-based company declined to say which stores it will close, but indicated that most of the closures will be of mall-based specialty retail stores so that the company can better focus on its outlet stores. It has 317 specialty retail stores in the United States.

Comment by oxide
2010-02-18 06:23:10

Half the stores! Not surprising. However, Nine West and Easy Spirit shoes are available in Macy’s; it’s not like they needed the specialty store.

I’m seeing a lot of black store fronts at the malls. Each time I’ve gone to an outlet mall (once/month), at least one store was liquidating. On a side note, catalogs seem to be doing OK.

Who was the HBB-er that said we could live with half the retail?

Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-02-18 09:44:40

On a side note, catalogs seem to be doing OK.

Catalogs aren’t doing OK.

Or perhaps I should say catalogs / online sales aren’t doing as poorly as retail stores. Holiday 2009 was better than holiday 2008, so by that yardstick sales are up. For many years, I worked in design shops that specialized in retail catalogs — in 2008, retailers were in close to a full-scale freakout, as many of our clients were seeing double-digit decreases in sales for each quarter. The 2009 catalogs were all leaner and meaner, with tighter budgets, smaller print runs, less custom photography, etc.

Big retailers are all searching for the perfect mix of catalog/direct marketing to online efforts; in each case, the sweet spot is slightly different. So retailers are still spending on catalogs, but they’re pinching pennies everywhere they can and really pushing their agencies for quantifiable results.

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-02-18 10:32:43

“Each time I’ve gone to an outlet mall (once/month), at least one store was liquidating.”
That’s not really telling, unless they shutter the store and close down. Here in Tampa, the liquidation model is used as a revolving advertising program for a number of vendors.
They “close out” every six months or so, only to continue business with more new inventory, or sometimes, they just change the name.
It’s the same business, just a new banner and a face-lift.
Are the liquidating stores GONE once the sales date final is reached and the space vacated for months on end?
Here, Circuit City is gone, but it seems that ALL the shops are now HHGREG or something like that. It looks like a game of liability shifting.

Comment by potential buyer
2010-02-18 12:12:08

I remember a furniture store not far from me who was going out of business. For three years….:-)

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Comment by oxide
2010-02-18 13:33:53

Oh no no, this is straight up “60-80% off — everything $3.99 — location closing — fixtures for sale going out of business” liquidation. And no new businesses are moving in. Lotsa dark windows.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-02-18 16:43:00

Two of my favorite non-chain retailers closed their doors in the last month. I think you might remember I used to point out I wasn’t seeing a lot of the pain here yet. Well, it’s here now.

Talked to a floor guy this week that shared his schedule is sometimes blank for weeks at a time. They are on call for work on a day to day basis. From his perspective, there’s a lot of pain out there. That man was officially the first one to admit that to me. Although I have a good bankruptcy lawyer story I can’t share due to need to protect my source. Let’s just say the person is spooked.

 
 
 
 
Comment by WHYoung
2010-02-18 07:21:31

I think the apparel biz is in for a lot more difficulties.

You can buy the cheap stuff that is basically disposable or the expensive stuff which is not necessarily that much better.

And nearly everybody has a full closet already.

Sometime when you are in a “vintage” store, take a look at the older stuff, from the 50’s or earlier and compare the craftsmanship - there is an attention to detail in comparison to new stuff that is remarkable.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-02-18 07:27:16

The new king of fashion up here in n. cali is forever 21.They are buying a lot of the vacant commercial up here.Not sure what is so great about them.
I saw some nice izod cargo shorts at sams club yesterday for 15.00.Every once in awhile they get something decent.

Comment by mikey
2010-02-18 10:03:32

Good ole M & I Bank in Wisconsin, Arizona’s Statute of Limitations, appraisers and Attorney Rachel Dollar of mortgage fraud blog fame representing M & I Bank.

Hummm Interesting…very In-ter-est-ing…

:)

Business
M&I drops suits against Arizona appraisers
By Cary Spivak of the Journal Sentinel

Posted: Feb. 17, 2010

M&I Bank has abruptly ended an unusual and aggressive move to recoup some of its massive Arizona loan losses, saying that seven lawsuits filed against Arizona real estate appraisers last month are being dropped.

The bank would not say why it was dropping the suits. But one appraiser whose company was among those sued said he was told by his insurance company that the statute of limitations - which in Arizona gives plaintiffs just two years to file claims alleging negligent misrepresentation - may have come into play.

…Rachel Dollar, a California lawyer specializing in mortgage fraud representing M&I on the suits, shed little light on the decision to drop the cases.

Responding specifically to the suggestion that the statute of limitations came into play, she e-mailed a statement that said:

“Statute of limitations analysis is legally and factually complex. . . . In many cases, claims do not accrue and thus the limitations period does not begin to run until years after the conduct underlying the claims has occurred. Attorneys review potential statute of limitations issues prior to filing lawsuits.”

http://tinyurl.com/yhlw97e

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Comment by Terry
2010-02-18 11:24:13

Here in Eagle River, the M&I bank took a 6 million bath on a marine dealership and a 14 million dollar bath on a condo project. I wonder how long before this regional bank fails?

 
Comment by mikey
2010-02-18 12:08:18

Yeah Terry,

methinks that the 1.5 billion in Gubbermint TARP money can’t even pay for the cover charge for their 6-7 year Clown Lending Party.

These Fools are in enough trouble in Wisconsin…who in the world turned them loose in Arizona without adult supervision !?!

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-02-18 15:17:18

My theory: They just couldn’t afford to keep paying Rachel Dollar. I hear that she knows mortgage fraud law cold, but she doesn’t come cheap.

 
 
 
Comment by In Montana
2010-02-18 07:36:13

Jones is it for business women’s wear…lawyers etc

 
Comment by rainmayun
2010-02-18 09:14:45

poorly made garments from the 50s wouldn’t be around to be in vintage stores today anyhow. you can buy well made stuff now, just like you could then. but you have to shop carefully, and pay for quality.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 07:24:11

“…indicated that most of the closures will be of mall-based specialty retail stores” ;-)

Sounds like the malls might be hiring more security guards to handle the roving bored teenagers that don’t have much money to buy anything. ;-)

Comment by AmazingRuss
2010-02-18 09:24:30

The two malls in my area are at about 40% occupancy. It’s eerie to walk around in them. The worst off mall was built dead center in town, so it’s particularly weird to see it so empty.

The monuments of the 80’s are a-crumblin’.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 10:03:48

Maybe they can turn them into race courses for Smart cars on Friday night & a demolition golf cart derby for the Sunday brunch crowds. ;-)

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Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-18 12:19:06

We had a store go into a nice local mall into a space which had been vacated by a Little Ceasar’s, and we knew it was a worse bet the the Lil C’s. It was a slot car racing store complete with track and supplies. I knew it was going to fold from the minute I saw it go in, and I felt sorry for the family that was working so hard on the space conversion. They did a nice job, but how many people still race slot cars ? Another retail idea that never had a chance.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-02-18 13:36:23

What are slot cars?

oops I think i just proved your point

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 17:50:03

One the one hand, a consumer driven economy relies on retail therefore large amounts of retail closures is not good. On the other hand, most of the retail out there is total crap.

As in bad service and crappy overpriced products.

You know, like GM. Or Bed, Bath and Beyond, who seem desperate to become the next Linen and Things.

That list is long.

Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-18 18:01:21

eco feco
anothr good short idea –bed bath beyond- BBBY
it’s at 41
off the low of 16 from last march. Back to the pre-meltdown highs,
lackluster volume

 
 
 
Comment by BlueStar
2010-02-18 05:06:16

A few days ago the Flow of Fund report showed that China was a net seller of US debt and that the UK picked up a lot of the slack by taking a huge chunk of our debt. Today it’s revealed that Britain’s finances suffered another blow last month as the public sector was forced to borrow money in January for the first time on record.
So it begs the question, where did the British find the billions to buy our debt? Did they just borrow money to buy our debt? This just doesn’t make sense.

“UK gov’t borrows in Jan for first time on record”

www google com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ibg8utRWL5JbkhbXsHXsTa-KKn8wD9DUHE8O1

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 05:22:22

Under the table QE, I’m almost certain. The Fed and the BoE are doing a little “you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours” I’ll bet. Not only the BoE but also the BoJ as well.

The chart

(P.S. I think that was the monthly treasury report, not the quarterly Fed “Flow of Funds” report, which should come out in about 3 weeks)

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 07:13:16

Now there is a great idea: Why not have colluding central banks just agree to buy one another’s ‘worthless paper’? It looks so much better than for given country’s central bank to run the printing press with one hand and issue long term debt with the other, only to have the two hands execute trades.

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 07:19:38

Ponzi schemes by their nature require colluding parties - it’s too obvious if the one doing the selling is also the one doing the buying.

Just look at Greece and GS, for instance.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 07:30:48

It also provides good cover to have many cooperating individuals involved, rather than, say, one Madoff.

 
Comment by polly
2010-02-18 08:41:06

Madoff had plenty of help through hedge fund managers who sent tons of cash his way. They may or may not have known exactly what he was doing, but he needed help to keep money flowing in. The bottom of a pyramid gets large pretty quickly.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 10:05:58

“…They may or may not have known exactly what he was doing…”

With 20% returns for 25 years, how could “they” have ever even guessed? ;-)

 
Comment by polly
2010-02-18 13:37:28

Some folks thought it was insider trading or something else shady but didn’t know it was an actual Ponzi scheme.

And not all of them got 20% returns each year. He tailored it depending on the client.

 
 
 
Comment by yensoy
2010-02-18 11:51:09

Queen Elizabeth is buying bonds under the table??

Oh you meant Quantitative Easing… I see :-)

I thought it was the Russian Oligarchs’ money.

 
Comment by Dale
2010-02-18 15:11:27

The Fed and the BoE are doing a little “you scratch my back, I’ll scratch yours”

Hey, we sold real estate back and forth to each other and that turned out O.K. ….Oh. Never mind.

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-02-18 05:27:48

the public sector was forced to borrow money in January for the first time on record

Just to clarify - this is the first time they’ve specifically had to borrow in January. They have, of course, borrowed plenty other months - their debt level is about 50% of GDP, slightly less than ours. Normally January is a big surplus month for most countries, I guess because so many put in their big end-of-year orders in December.

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 05:32:24

Correction - per the article UK’s debt is 60% of GDP. That’s their “net debt” - not sure if that implies that it’s “debt owed to the public” (often quoted in the U.S.) which is really just a fraction of the real debt.

 
 
Comment by jess
2010-02-18 06:52:37

The whole China thing will hurt us at some point ..Maybe when wal-Mart changes it’s name to China-Mart we’ll know we have sold ourselves .. ..Still remember Japan in ‘89 ..Tokyo & suburbs were valued at more then the entire Continental USA.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 07:30:36

“…were valued at more then the entire Continental USA.”

Really? curiouser & curiouser…and might that “figure” apprx be?

I mean literally, for the whole shebang…buildings, roads, dams, military, houses, factories, farms, grains & livestock, dirt, rock, waters… give me a “figure” …just ball park it. :-)

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 07:57:17

Mr. Bear, packman…anyone…oh, and not just the “appraised value” as of today…I’d like the actual estimated “replacement cost” (to make everything in America as it stands today) include labor cost if possible…say @ $7.50 per hour for everyone…anyone have a clue? ;-)

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 10:18:08

How is one suppose to make an “informed decision” on all this “stimulus” spending… if no one has any actual numbers to base what America is “worth”…as a “going concern”?

Anyone from the “TrueAnger™” PeeParty tea toadlers have a clue? ;-)

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-02-18 09:59:58

And I also recall when Imperial Palace grounds were supposed to be worth more than all of of California. That’s when I knew that something was very wrong in Japan.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 11:47:55

“That’s when I knew that something was very wrong in Japan”

Well, they’ve had plenty of time to meditate on that time period.

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Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-18 12:21:47

I was just going to post the same but you beat me to it. I thought that was funny at the time, although I would have loved to be able to see the priceless artifacts and buildings. By the way, the emperor’s court still maintains a pre-shogunate archery school/corps. I’ve seen some pictures of them in action and they’re awesome, right down to the tradional bows/arrows and armor. I wonder how much that all costs.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-18 13:41:50

right down to the tradional bows/arrows and armor. I wonder how much that all costs.

More than all the commercial real estate of Poughkeepsie, NY

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by packman
2010-02-18 05:19:08

There was an interesting post late in the day yesterday, by PB and ET-Chicago, talking about Illinois pension underfunding. It’s an angle I hadn’t thought of. Part of the problem with all these states’ budgets - a problem that will continue and perhaps even get worse - is that a large portion of their pension holdings are in U.S. treasuries.

The U.S.-wide numbers (per z1 data):

$207B in private pensions
$176B in state and local government pensions
$117B in federal government pensions

These pension assume some rate of return on these treasuries. The normal rate of return on treasures is around 5-7%. I would image that most of these pension funds have factored in a rate in that neighborhood, perhaps 4-5% to be conservative (haven’t seen any documentation showing what they actually use - if anyone knows of any let me know). However currently the average rate of return on treasuries is only 3.3%! As long as the Fed keeps rates low - these pensions are going to be more and more underfunded.

Here is an article ET posted last night, regarding Illinois pensions.

“In 2008, the four large public pension plans in Illinois had combined assets of $65.7 billion. The combined liabilities of these four plans (calculated under flawed GASB rules) were $151.1 billion, for a shortfall of $85.4 billion.

If one uses a more theoretically appropriate rate on treasury yields, the present value of the liabilities is $284.8 billion, for a shortfall of $219.1 billion! That is more than 2.5 times greater than the official statistics indicate!”

Rock and hard place for the Fed. Sure they can try to pump up the economy by keeping rates down - but they’re absolutely screwing everyone’s pensions in the process!

War on Savers

Comment by CA renter
2010-02-18 05:50:22

You are absolutely right, packman.

IMHO, the artificially low interest rate environment over the past decade is one of the biggest reasons CalPERS is in such deep trouble.

I believe they forecast an average annual return of around 8%, but there was no way they’d get that this decade (on their fixed-income investments) without moving out on the risk curve. This is why so many pension funds were involved in all the “exotic” mortage products, including the derivatives. They had to juice returns by using more leverage and getting into riskier investments.

It’s one of the reasons I get upset when people try to blame the pension “crisis” on the unions. There is no doubt that pensions became to generous; in California, this was a result of CalPERS accounts being superfunded. However, the pension plans would probably have been much better off had the Federal Reserve refrained from keeping rates too low for too long (and they’re doing it again!!!).

Here’s a bit of info about the status of CalPERS, for anyone who’s interested. Page 2 describes how the benefit packages were enhances as a result of the “superfunded” status. In many cases, cities didn’t have to make contributions to CalPERS because the pension plan was making so much money on their investments, that they told the employers to reduce or cease making contributions for some time.

(Eliminating link because it will put me in spaminator purgatory, but you can google: “Policy Statement on Local Government Retirement Benefits” to get an idea of some of the problems.)

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 08:06:55

“…They had to juice returns by using more leverage and getting into riskier investments.”

Ha, here’s a “throw back” title example for the essay kids:

“None Dare Call It a CONspiracy!” :-)

 
Comment by GH
2010-02-18 09:14:34

The problem IS the unions. Pensions are contracted and even if the fund loses 100% of it’s value there is NO reversing the numbers to accommodate the new reality.

For the rest of us, we do not get to go demand our 401K’s are made whole from someone after the 401k fund takes a bath, but rather adjust to the new reality.

There would not be a problem if it were possible to go back to the unions and tell them the truth about the situation. They know the truth, but that is not their problem is it. the tax payers are on the hook AGAIN!

Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-02-18 10:19:13

The problem IS the unions.

Unions are certainly part of the problem, but there’s plenty of blame to spread around on this issue.

State legislators everywhere are afraid to confront the problem, and continue to rack up huge deficits. State agency heads play along to keep their underlings happy. Unions fight to keep their pensions and benefits, but plenty of non-union civil servants are also receiving similar benefits.

As the article Packman re-linked to shows, many (most? all?) of our baseline numbers for evaluating the size and scope of the problem are backed by flawed assumptions — something that should be no surprise to HBB’ers. The official liability numbers are scary enough; when adjusted for statistical flights-of-fancy, they’re downright terrifying.

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Comment by DebtinNation
2010-02-18 11:23:49

Yet another perfect storm, just like the whole housing bubble. IMHO, we are so eff’ed.

 
 
 
Comment by SV guy
2010-02-18 14:18:56

Calpers made an absolute killing in the real estate bubble.

I would suggest that the low interest rates fueled their gaudy RE returns.

Comment by CA renter
2010-02-18 23:16:35

They made money…until they lost it.

They made lots of money on the stock market bubble, too…until they lost that, as well.

This is the problem when pension plans and Federal Reserve policies intersect.

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Comment by CA renter
2010-02-18 05:51:30

I responded to this with another post, hope it comes through. Yes, packman, you are right.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-02-18 07:33:51

Chapter 9. Coming to a city/county/state near you.

Comment by combotechie
2010-02-18 07:44:17

More money destruction.

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Comment by mikey
2010-02-18 12:27:55

Before this is all over, homeless people will be lucky to be camping in tents by the Victorville Narrows River CA, while roasting the Roadrunner on a spit and playing 21 with Wile E. Coyote.

“Come to think about it Wile, you’re looking a little fat…I mean plump there. Hit him boyz !”

beep beep

;)

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Comment by In Montana
2010-02-18 07:38:11

it’s different here

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 07:15:02

What’s better: An intact pension system with lower real payouts, or a broken pension system that never reduced the value of payouts until the ultimate point of collapse?

Comment by polly
2010-02-18 08:57:35

I think it is pretty clear what is better. The question is are the public officials willing to stand up in the next contract negotiation and do something about it - and risk a few public worker strikes in the process.

You can’t get a good deal for the people who elected you by reading “Getting to Yes” and hoping for the best. Being an elected official isn’t supposed to be easy. They call it public service (not public play date) for a reason. Oh, and you have to do math. And explain the math to the public (and the public employees). And they have to understand it.

Sometimes the real problem is that people don’t think they have time to do this stuff during a crisis. In reality, a crisis is the only time that you have a prayer of getting the public to pay attention.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 18:05:02

The problem, polly, is that even when a politician takes the hard line, who believes them? And why should they?

Anyone with half of a brain knows they can’t, and shouldn’t, trust them.

This is why, unfortunately, social systems always have to collapse before real progress is made.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 09:12:56

Let’s ask the “TrueAnger™” PeeParty tea toadlers what they think is “better”, I’m certain it’ll have something to do with the last 385 days of 100% destructive activity of the “Non-Hawaiian” lil Opie’s agenda to “bring down America”…that and something about not wearing a flag on his lapel. ;-)

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-02-18 13:44:52

Ooooh, Hwy must be getting nervous. He wouldn’t waste his time bad-mouthing a fringe group that had no chance of influencing politics.

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Comment by CincyDad
2010-02-18 10:27:21

How about the Ohio pension system….

Just raise the required contributions from both employees and employers!

Currently, facutly at a nearby University contribute 10% of their salary to their pension, while the University kicks in 10.5% (this is contracted, and employees can’t opt out).

Due to project future shortfalls in the pension, the state has decided to raise the required contributions from employees (college Professors) from 10% to 14% over the next few years, and for employers (University) from 10.5% to 15% over the next few years as well.

So, over the next 4 years or so, annual contributions per employee are increasing from 20.5% of salary to around 29% of salary.

Problem solved.

Comment by CA renter
2010-02-18 23:20:20

Absolutely, this is part of the solution (larger employee contributions, especially).

Also, there is no question that employees will have to take some cuts. In California, if they just go back to what they had before the tech/stock bubble, it would improve the outlook significantly. Couple this with larger employee contributions, and the problem could be largely solved.

I firmly believe we will see this in the future.

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Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-18 15:16:53

What’s better: An intact pension system with lower real payouts, or a broken pension system that never reduced the value of payouts until the ultimate point of collapse?

I told you the best way to organize a pension system is to get the Employer off the hook by switching to a DEFINED CONTRIBUTION plan. If an employee wants to try yo hit a homerun be my guest, but future taxpayers won’t be forced into slavery.

 
 
Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-02-18 10:47:21

“Rock and hard place for the Fed. Sure they can try to pump up the economy by keeping rates down - but they’re absolutely screwing everyone’s pensions in the process!”

Do you really believe the Fed cares about this? I think they will gladly trade a crisis in 20yrs for a crisis today.

Comment by DebtinNation
2010-02-18 11:29:19

20 years? Do you think they can really stave it off that long?

Comment by CA renter
2010-02-18 23:21:36

Nope. If they don’t get their poop together, the pension funds will be having problems within the next 5-10 years…and that’s assuming things are really improving vs. a double-dip recession.

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Comment by Zeus Matuze
2010-02-18 11:46:06

Union and government pensions are without a doubt the next bubble to pop. The Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation (a private sector union payoff) will be broke in the near future and there isn’t any money saved for civil service or military pensions. Also, even the media is pointing out the wretched fiscal state of Social Security and Medicare.
The wailing and gnashing of teeth will begin when ALL state, local, military, civil service and private sector (including unions, 401k’s and ira’s) are lumped into one giant sloptrough of Big Government spending which will be means-tested to insure that those who played by the rules and saved are crucified for BIG GOV’S fiscal sins.
Who knew that the fiscally responsible would be forced to be Joshua TreeHuggers?

Comment by SV guy
2010-02-18 14:27:49

Zeus,

I’m curious why you think the PBGC is a union payoff.

My memory tells me that most of the shortfall made up by the PBGC has been result of CEO level incompetence and corporate raider chicanery. I believe the PBGC recipient payout isn’t 100% either.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 18:14:18

Like everyone else they harp on the union bogeyman ’cause unions are EBIL!

Never mind that union membership has been declining over the past 30 years and most unions have had to take serious pay cuts with companies reneging on their promise to reinstate those pay cuts when times got better. An airline pilot or mechanic should not be making what a bus driver makes.

I keep telling you people, quit picking on the working stiffs. It WAS NOT THEM that got into in to this mess. Because YOUR JOB IS NEXT.

Don’t believe it? I know a lot of white collar folks who had their jobs outsourced or were undercut by H1B. The very same folks who liked to pick on unions.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 18:16:38

“…got us into this mess…”

Or waiter, there’s a fly in my soup!

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-02-18 23:24:30

I keep telling you people, quit picking on the working stiffs. It WAS NOT THEM that got into in to this mess. Because YOUR JOB IS NEXT.

Don’t believe it? I know a lot of white collar folks who had their jobs outsourced or were undercut by H1B. The very same folks who liked to pick on unions.
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Amen, eco. I keep saying the same things, but for some reason, the sheeple allow themselves to be brainwashed into thinking unions/working people are the problem vs. a financial/corporate system that is sucking an ever-larger portion of the economic pie from the productive economy.

 
Comment by Zeus Matuze
2010-02-18 23:29:48

Why? Because, after having been in a trade union for years, I realized the chronically corrupt nature of unions, and that the only way America could regain its former strength is to cut unions loose to fend for themselves.
An internet search for “The Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation” reveals all that a political corruption affectiano needs to know about putrified pay-offism and the beast with which the US taxpayer is strapped.

The knowledgeable taxpayer is guaranteed amazed chagrin.

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-02-19 05:14:32

There is corruption everywhere.

If there are no unions, what’s left to counterbalance the corruption on the corporate side?

IMHO, this lack of balance is one of the reasons we’re in the mess we’re in. If unions were still strong, they would not have allowed the corporate/financial interests to pillage this country like they did.

Weak unions = weak middle class.

 
 
 
 
Comment by CrackerJim
2010-02-18 12:34:49

From Packman post above:

“The U.S.-wide numbers (per z1 data):
$207B in private pensions
$176B in state and local government pensions
$117B in federal government pensions”

I am a bit confused. You continue in this post to say the four public pensions in Illinois have $65.7B. Does this mean Illinois has nearly 1/3 of US wide pension dollars in this category? Or am I equating apples and oranges?

Comment by CrackerJim
2010-02-18 12:36:03

Excuse mae; change “nearly 1/3″ to “more than 1/3″

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 12:53:10

The $65.7 B is total Illinois pension assets - presumably only a portion of that is U.S. treasuries.

Hypothetically if say $20B of it were U.S. treasuries, and they were counting on 8% yield over 30 years, that builds to $310B at the end of that 30 years. If instead they only get 3.3% yield then there’s only $80B after 30 years - $230B shorter than what they thought they’d have.

That’s probably a bit extreme numbers, but I would imagine the same principle applies to other non-treasury investments - e.g. their other muni bonds are probably yielding a lot less than what they budgeted for.

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Comment by measton
2010-02-18 14:00:42

Rock and hard place for the Fed. Sure they can try to pump up the economy by keeping rates down - but they’re absolutely screwing everyone’s pensions in the process!

and you think they care about pensions. Pensions are there to be raided my friend. That’s what securitization and BS MBS ratings were all about. The FED looked away during that theft, and they are actually particiapting in this one.

 
Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-18 15:12:10

Pension funds - like here in the 06488- are reaching for refurn. Ours has an expected return of 8 %. Every penny in treasuries has you 500 basis points behind the eight ball to start with.

Our fund is 10 % invested in China and growing,gotta believe everybody and their brother is going the EEM route (that’s the emergency market ETF).

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-18 17:50:48

“the emergency market ETF”

lol- Freudian slip?

Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-18 18:03:24

emergency market ETF

should be Emerging market ETF

wow…i didn’t notice that!

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Comment by combotechie
2010-02-18 15:36:53

This entire thread is filled with evidence of deflation, but I have little doubt some here will see it as signs of a pending currency collapse and hyperinflation.

Lol.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 18:20:11

The only deflation I’m seeing is wages.

Comment by CA renter
2010-02-18 23:27:41

As of this point, you are absolutely right, eco.

What we are witnessing is the worst of all worlds. Rising prices (courtesy of the Fed and govt), and falling wages. Our purchasing power is being eroded at an astonishing rate.

With either deflation or inflation, we would suffer, but probably not to the extent that we will with the current (stagflationary) policies.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 05:37:13

Dothan’s Sony plant set to close [Dothan Eagle, Ala.]
(Dothan Eagle (AL) Via Acquire Media NewsEdge) Feb. 17–Sony is closing its Dothan operations after 33 years in business.

The company’s 320 full-time employees were informed just after lunch Wednesday that the plant will shut down in six months. The company is relocating its magnetic tape production and print media product line to existing manufacturing facilities in Japan.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-02-18 06:10:45

Are they responding to domestic political pressure to bring as many jobs as possible back home?

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-02-18 06:20:38

It looks like another response to shrinking global demand. Shrink production by closing plants. Deflationary pressures persist.

Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-18 07:08:43

Bad news for that area. I wish American manufacturers would start bringing OUR manufacturing jobs back from overseas. They’re starting to fuss about it, realizing that the populace isn’t going to buy their STUFF at such great rates until more of it is working steadily again. Not all people want to or are suited to sitting at a desk at a computer all day, and those jobs are ripe for being shipped overseas also.

Comment by WHYoung
2010-02-18 07:30:12

Agreed, we need to start making stuff again.

We also need to give non-desk work more respect.

If you go to the Ted conferences website (ted dot com) there is an interesting talk by Mike Rowe (the Dirty Jobs show guy) about the the importance of work. About 20 minutes, funny and insightful.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-02-18 07:35:11

Magnetic tape production?! Who the heck still stores data on magnetic tape?

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-02-18 07:39:21

govt tape backups like e911 centers

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-02-18 09:56:11

Magnetic tape production?! Who the heck still stores data on magnetic tape?

You’d be surprised. All Enterprise data is eventually stored on tape.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-02-18 10:05:36

LOTS of musicians still like the analog sound and some voice over people do to…I just got 40 reels of tape free off of CL…and still have my classic Revox A77

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Magnetic tape production?! Who the heck still stores data on magnetic tape?

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-02-18 13:14:15

Magnetic tape production?! Who the heck still stores data on magnetic tape?

Some of the best audio engineers in the world, for starters.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 18:26:20

Aside from specialty uses, the mag tape market has severely declined over the last 15 years. Makes sense to me. No more VCRs. No more music cassettes. No more professional TV tapes. Those were the biggest markets.

Even enterprise mag tape backup is being phased out in favor of SANs and NASs. Faster, cheaper and more reliable.

Much like film.

 
Comment by jim
2010-02-19 08:47:27

MAg tape for backup seperates the medium from the device. For example, you can use a hard drive for backup, but if the drive motor fails, you have a major data recovery problem, if it survives at all. If its mag tape, you just buy a new tape reader.

 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-02-18 06:46:22

Jobless claims unexpectedly jump last weekFebruary 18, 2010 8:33 AM ET

All Thomson Reuters news WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The number of U.S. workers filing new applications for unemployment insurance unexpectedly surged last week, a government report showed on Thursday, dealing a setback to hopes the economy was on the verge of job growth.

Comment by lavi d
2010-02-18 08:02:55

Jobless claims unexpectedly jump last weekFebruary 18, 2010 8:33 AM ET

You said “unexpected”. I get to drink a shot.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-02-18 10:59:28

“You said “unexpected”. I get to drink a shot.”

Awesome idea for a HBB drinking-game! :-)

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Comment by SDGreg
2010-02-18 13:09:38

Awesome idea for a HBB drinking-game!

I’d have to stop reading this except at home and I’d end up in AA!

 
 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2010-02-18 14:33:24

LOL :D

Friends and family can’t understand why I, formerly almost a teetotaler, am now stinking drunk 24/7.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2010-02-18 15:26:33

Here`s to Cardinal Puff for the first time this evening.

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Comment by jeff saturday
2010-02-18 15:34:12

The Real Cardinal Puff rules! Drinking Game Rules
So far, I have seen a couple close variations to the way Cardinal Puff is played, but here’s where we separate the kiddies from the adults.. :) Cardinal Puff (The real and only way to play); Start with a pint glass of your favorite barley pop, full. The objective: Finish the glass in six tries, and leave no backwash. -The penalty for such will be revealed shortly, read on. Grab the pint glass with your thumb and forefinger and hoist. “I drink to the honorable Cardinal Puff for the first time tonight.” Consume that which you can (remember there are five other drinks from the pint ahead, so don’t do too much). Tap the glass, once on the bar top, then set it down. With the fore finger of each hand, tap the bar top (alternating left/right), tap the underside of the bar top, tap each thigh top, tap each thigh back side, tap each foot, sit up, then down once. Grab the pint, hoist aloft using thumb, index and forefinger and toast “To the Cardinal Puff Puff, for the second time this evening.” Consume two times, tap the glass twice on the bar top, and use two fingers and repeat the first step (tap, tap, etc…) On the third try, the player (or victim), will say; “I drink to the Cardinal Puff, Puff, Puff, for the third and final time this evening.” Hoist glass using thumb, and three fingers and consume all remaining brew in three separate drinks (making sure there is virtually none left in the glass). With three fingers, repeat tapping sequence (three times each, obviously). Upon finishing tapping sequence and sitting sequence, the subject needs to grab the glass with an inverted grip and proclaim “Once a Cardinal, always a Cardinal, never spill a drop.” While proclaiming this, the player inverts the glass, releases the grip and inverts (to upright) again. -There should be no liquid from the glass on the bar from the inverted pint (other than glass condensate), if there is.. -Drink! Repeat the whole process again! If there is none, the ruling Judge shall ask the subject; “Are you a Cardinal?” To which the subject shall reply; “You bet your sweet ass I am!” -Any other answer is unacceptable and constitutes repeating the whole process again.

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Comment by yensoy
2010-02-18 11:55:03

The newsworthy part of this article is that they are STILL MANUFACTURING MAGNETIC TAPE!!

Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 18:29:13

Right?

 
 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-02-18 05:47:54

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/feb/17/housing-affordability-index-drops-back-below-50/

“For the fourth quarter, San Diego’s median price was listed at $319,000 and median income at $74,900. San Diego ranked as the nation’s most unaffordable market in the second quarter of 1996, when the median price was $165,000 and median household income was $46,600.”

Interesting is that San Diego housing prices would have to fall around 17 percent just to fall to the same multiples of income needed to buy a house in 1996 when San Diego was the least affordable housing market in the nation.

Also putting in perspective just how overpriced housing still is, locally and nationally, is that San Diego is just the 13th most unaffordable housing market now versus most unaffordable in 1996. That’s with a house costing 4.25 multiples of income now versus 3.5 then. Also, supply and the state of the economy should support lower prices now versus 1996.

Comment by polly
2010-02-18 09:13:17

If you are talking about affordablity of median price w/respect to median income, don’t you need to consider mortgage interest rates too? What were they in 1996?

As you guys are aware, I am all for waiting for lower prices created by higher rates, but if you leave your exit strategy out of the picture, then the affordability analysis has to include a substantial dose of “how much a month” will the purchase price require given the prevailing mortgage rate.

Comment by jjb4430
2010-02-18 11:40:48

I love the reactions I get from (non HBB) people when I tell them I am waiting for mortgage interest rates north of 12% to buy… Talk about a blank stare.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 11:50:57

:-)

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-02-18 11:58:57

I agree Polly that interest rate has to be considered in the
index . See the following .

5/17/1996 ..Average 30 year fixed at 8.08%
1/30/1996..10 year treasury at 5.63%..30 year at 6.04 %
1/30/1996 ..6 month CD at 5.03% ave.
2/20/1996 ..Prime rate at 8.25 %

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Comment by CA renter
2010-02-19 00:04:33

5/17/1996 ..Average 30 year fixed at 8.08%
1/30/1996..10 year treasury at 5.63%..30 year at 6.04 %
1/30/1996 ..6 month CD at 5.03% ave.
2/20/1996 ..Prime rate at 8.25 %

Glory days… (sigh)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 06:23:37

Wal-Mart holiday sales fall, forecast light.

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Wal-Mart Stores Inc said sales at its existing U.S. namesake stores fell during the holiday quarter and forecast results for the current quarter that could miss Wall Street estimates.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-02-18 07:30:57

I haven’t really bought a lot at walmart this year.They do have good buys on oil and filters.They have really expanded the electronics department.That was the final nail for circuit city.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-02-18 07:43:14

I recently sold an item through Craigslist. The buyer was a young woman (early 20’s) who together with her boyfriend were probably just making ends meet. I’m assuming this because she had to wait to buy the $75 item until she got her next paycheck. We completed the transaction at a fast food place inside a local Wal Mart, where she had done her shopping prior to my arrival. Despite what the snobs may think, people like this young woman are well served by Wal Mart. And there are a lot more like her.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-02-18 08:01:03

True, like it or not, WMT is serving a need - an important need in a consumer culture where real wages have been stagnant for three freaking decades!

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-18 09:11:35

True, like it or not, WMT is serving a need - an important need in a consumer culture where real wages have been stagnant for three freaking decades!

Good point.
Taking it further, the rise of Wlmart is greatly responsible for the stagnant wages themselves that made WalMrt shopping an essential survival tactic.

Because:
1. Small businesses are responsible for about 60% of US job creation.

2. Mom and pop wholesalers and retailers were a great percent of US small businesses and wholesale/retail were two of the most common types of businesses started by entrepreneurs.

3. These family owned business paid higher wages than huge chains.

4. GallMart was greatly responsible for the closure of many family owned retail/wholesale business.

5. This has lowered wages in those businesses.

6. People who make less money need to shop where it’s cheaper (MaulMart)

(un)lucky 7. The above does not even address the manufacturing aspect where WalFart has shuttered countless US manufacturers because they HAD to move factories to Communist China to lower prices enough to secure TallTart orders.

The only problem with the above “business plan” is it requires a campaign-finance “bribed’ government that rewards predatory, monopolistic, and cannibalistic capitalism in the guise of America’s economic dogma of “free” trade and markets.

Sorry……..did I say “problem”?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 09:21:46

“bribed’ government that rewards predatory, monopolistic, and cannibalistic capitalism in the guise of America’s economic dogma of “free” trade and markets.

Oh, I like the bi-partisan tone…good start with adjectives too! ;-)

 
Comment by Angus
2010-02-18 11:59:12

I do not enjoy shopping in Walmart. That said, this crap about a Walmart conspiracy?

1) Quality: see current month Atlantic Monthly — “Big Grocery Smackdown ”

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/201003/walmart-local-produce

“the tasters were surprised when the results were unblinded at the end of the meal and they learned that in a number of instances they had adamantly preferred Walmart produce. And they weren’t entirely happy.”

2) Wholesalers and suppliers: same article above mentions the Walmart as primary funding for Agile Agriculture program, helping small, local farmers and producers to get their products on Walmart shelves. Improves their product offerings while improving their supply chain. Smart business. And very. evil. Right?

3) Wages: Yes, Walmart pays crap — so do Burger King and McDonalds (and any national company employing local unskilled labor). But, McDonalds doesn’t have the positive impact on the community that a Walmart does. Communities see up to 25% lower cost of food ( 2005 http://www.nber.org/papers/w11809 ) and savings for other staples. Crap from China on most aisles? Sure, but the grocery store (at a minimum) serves the community well.

4) Competition: arguing that Walmart is evil because they put the ‘little guy’ out of business? Fine. Then may I submit that Amazon.com (or your favorite e-shop) is just as evil.

Amazon kills local booksellers, dead (and increasingly small companies in 30+ vertical markets). I don’t see the vitriol against Amazon. I don’t see picketers at the local UPS distribution center demanding a stop to Amazon. Like Walmart, their supply chain is better, so they Must. Be. Evil. Right?

Anywho, Walmart is not an enjoyable place for me to shop — though I will pick up some produce if it’s on the way. But conflating your ’shopping preference’ with some evil corporate-government conspiracy to keep America fat and on the Chinese teet, is a stretch.

 
Comment by Zeus Matuze
2010-02-18 12:02:12

“Because:
1. Small businesses are responsible for about 60% of US job creation…etc…etc…”

These points can be applied to Wards and Sears when they put local mercantiles out of business in the 1800’s. It all works down to market share and profitability. Wal*Mart was just the first to incorporate computerized inventory control back in the seventies while at the same time utilizing the expanded Interstate highway system using direct trucking rather than the well worn “rail to trail” physical distribution system.
There are two types of retail business:
Those that wish they were Wal*Mart….and Wal*Mart.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-02-18 12:23:02

Right on Rio . I guess people just don’t understand the monopolistic aspect of crushing markets by foreign slave labor .
I guess people should go back and study how and why the United States originally developed the Monopoly Laws to begin with because of the railroad tricks to crush the competition .

What people should be worried about is that once the monopoly
destroys all the competition ,they raise prices or control inventory because they are the only game in town . Look at how the monopolistic health insurance companies are raising prices again in spite of this recession .

All lessons of history have been ignored by the New Age wave of de-regulation and bogus trade policies . Oh and God forbid if we piss off a Foreign Country that sends us a bunch of junk if the President sees someone they don’t like .

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-18 12:25:11

These points can be applied to Wards and Sears when they put local mercantiles out of business in the 1800’s.

Of course some of those points can be applied to Wards and Sears in the 1800s. Just not nearly as effectively, rightfully, and resentfully as those points can be applied to WallTart today.

In addition, Wards and Sears of the 1800’s did not put masses of American manufactures out of business. (my point #7 and an important one)

In fact. Wards and Sears of the 1800s and most of the 1900’s OPENED markets for much greater American manufacturing.

To put a more important spin on your saying;

There are two types of retail shoppers….
Those that HAVE to shop at MaulMart
And those that still have good jobs.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-02-18 12:37:24

It’s “who” they get their products from ,not how they ship their products that is causing the problem . American manufacturing cannot compete . Your suppose to put tariffs on foreign goods to level out the playing field . I remember how I was reading about how Japan would tax our export of oranges just so we couldn’t have a monopoly in that market .

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-02-18 12:48:27

Right on Rio . I guess a lot of people don’t value a Country
having a good job base .One of the biggest problems poor Countries have is a lack of job base for their Citizens .

I saw a documentary the other day where a guy from Africa was
saying that his people just want jobs ,not handouts that the corrupt governments and mob take . This guy was also upset because China was bringing in their people and not hiring the locals . He said in essence he liked American Companies because they would hire the locals .

Jobs are the life blood of a Country for God sakes .

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-18 13:11:20

But, McDonalds doesn’t have the positive impact on the community that a Walmart does.

Angus,
I have no idea how you could come to such a conclusion unless you value “less expensive” stuff over all else including good jobs, business ownership, road to advancement and diversity of employment opportunities.

This is where I differ. I’ve lived in 2 small and mid-sized towns in my life who’s town center was destroyed by WallyCart. I saw many, many upper middle class and middle-class business owners go BK, bookshops, electronics, hair care, bicycles, hardware, tools, automotive, photo, etc, etc. You name it, gone Poof. But hey, their grocery bill is 25% less now so it’s all good!

I live now in a country with expensive stuff and lots of manufacturing. I doubt many FallMart lovers have seen this contrast and understand the implications of the trade-offs.

The thing is, it’s subjective but I just flat out don’t agree with you. Many of us grew up with the Horatio Alger idealism of “how down-and-out boys might be able to achieve the American Dream of wealth and success through hard work, courage, determination, and concern for others.
wiki

Most of Horatio Alger success stories involved professions in the same kinds of local businesses that WallyCart KILLED.

Now granted, maybe if another series of books comes along and spins working at WallDart for $10 an hour but being able to buy an avocado for $1 or a Flat Screen for $400 as the American ideal then maybe I’ll agree with you.

Nahh, I won’t.

And I don’t think I had mentioned Amazon or McDonalds today. And I don’t beat my spouse either.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-18 14:40:52

Jobs are the life blood of a Country for God sakes

That’s what I think too Housing Wizard. Jobs are the life blood and Wal-Mrt is a job killer. Here’s another story on it and this one doesn’t even include the US factory jobs they’ve killed.


New Study: Wal-Mart Brings Zero Jobs to Chicago
January 10, 2010

A new study from Loyola University and the University of Illinois at Chicago (UIC) has put the giant retailer on the economic defensive once again.

An Evaluation of One Chicago Neighborhood’s Experience found that Wal-Mart’s opening in Chicago has produced a loss of 300 full-time jobs.

(The) study should blow away any notion that Wal-Mart is a job-generator in the Windy City. More than three years after coming to Chicago, Wal-Mart has produced no new jobs, no new opportunities

Wal-Mart’s only comment was that the research was funded by “a group with ties to labor.”

“Ties to labor”! LOL, OK sorry. I admit I have “ties to labor” too, American labor. My Grandpa was a coal miner.

source:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-norman/new-study-wal-mart-brings_b_417808.html

 
Comment by VegasBob
2010-02-18 15:49:24

Walmart has forced most of the national grocery chains here in Las Vegas to retrench. Now that a huge chunk of the competition is gone, Walmart is busy jacking up prices.

Grocery prices here in Vegas are about 30% higher than in the Portland, OR area, and not all of that difference is due to freight costs…

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-18 15:54:04

Walmart is busy jacking up prices.

Housing Wizard wrote about this and my family mentioned the same thing happening close to KC.

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-02-18 19:57:07

(The) study should blow away any notion that Wal-Mart is a job-generator in the Windy City. More than three years after coming to Chicago, Wal-Mart has produced no new jobs, no new opportunities …

The back story here is that Wal-Mart tried for years to gain a foothold in the city, only to be rebuffed. They finally got the go-ahead to set up in a poor West Side neighborhood a few years back (now they’re in two poor neighborhoods, one on the South Side), largely on the basis that they’d be bringing hundreds of above minimum-wage jobs to a hard-luck neighborhood.

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-02-19 00:14:39

If one assumes that these (poor) people were already having their needs served by existing businesses, then I’m not sure how anyone could have concluded that Wal-Mart was going to bring more jobs to the city.

They would have to offer something over and above what is already there in order to tap into a market that doesn’t already exist. As far as I can tell, this is the only way NEW jobs would be created, no?

When you think about how WM is “more efficient” than other businesses (meaning can do more with fewer people), then one must really question the logic of Wal-Mart’s job creation abilities.

 
 
Comment by Chris M
2010-02-18 13:39:08

I needed a cheap bookshelf for my kids’ books. I figured Walmart would have only Chinese made stuff, and I am doing my best to boycott that @#$%& country. But I was already there for groceries, so I figured I’d take a look. I was amazed to find that their $99 flat-pack bookshelf was Made in the USA. I bought it and put it together, and found that it’s decent quality too. So it’s not all bad.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-02-18 13:50:36

Thanks to all for illustrating my point! :-)

 
Comment by Zeus Matuze
2010-02-18 21:44:53

Gosh and golly gee! With so much frothing and hyperbolie , I think I’ll take a break and spend some of my RE fortune ( sold late2004!) at wallyworld….just to see what it’s all about.
I’m tired of Target and Sears…everything is made in China there.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 06:26:12

Daimler Q4 net loss disappoints markets.
German car and truck maker Daimler reports 4th quarter net loss of $482 million.

STUTTGART, Germany (AP) — German car and truck maker Daimler AG lost euro352 million ($482 million) in the fourth quarter amid the global economic slump, contributing to a larger-than-expected loss on the year and sending shares down sharply.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 11:53:28

Oh, but here in CA, all the ones sitting on the lots are kept so clean & shiny…they sparkle actually.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 06:29:38

China in a dilemma as home prices soar.
Wed Feb 17, 2010

SHENZHEN, China (Reuters) - In the hard, exhaust-choked reality of his days trawling Longhua’s clogged roads, taxi driver Zhang Bo’s ambition to buy a small flat for his young family has slipped out of reach for now.

Housing Market

Like many Chinese who covet real estate as a symbol of stability and social stature, Zhang is dismayed at the alarming climb of apartment prices in his adopted city of Shenzhen in southern China.

“People can’t afford new flats anymore,” said Zhang, 28, who drives a taxi to make ends meet after his small electronics factory went belly-up during the financial downturn last year.

“It’s a very distant goal for us. Something we can only dream about,” said the spiky-haired native of Hubei province, who takes home around 6,000 yuan ($880) in cab fares a month. He likes to joke that he now has to work three months just to buy one square meter (three feet) of residential space in the city’s suburbs.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-02-18 07:58:22

Quit yer whining, whiney and drive that cab! It’s never been a better time to buy!

 
Comment by polly
2010-02-18 09:37:16

One square meter is more than 9 square feet. Maybe the three feet only refers to the word meter?

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-18 10:12:01

One square meter is more than 9 square feet.

Tell me about it, and I don’t know why these Brazilians do the square meter house thing at all. It’s too small.

My American houses in square feet were way bigger.

Comment by polly
2010-02-18 11:51:58

;)

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 09:41:46

“China in a dilemma as home prices soar.”

The U.S. was in a similar dilemma circa 2005, but then we solved the problem.

That line recalls to memory a favorite Three Stooges dialogue:

[Lady sitting in a stalled automobile]: I’m in a terrible dilemma.

[Curly Stooge]: Yeah lady, I can’t stand those foreign cars either.

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 09:43:59

“How then would Adam Smith fix the present mess? Sorry, but it is fixed already. The answer to a decline in the value of speculative assets is to pay less for them. Job done.”
- P.J. O’Rourke, discussing Wealth of Nations

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 06:34:44

” [T]he only sort of liberty that is real under democracy is the liberty of the have-nots to destroy the liberty of the haves.”

~H.L. Mencken

Comment by AmazingRuss
2010-02-18 09:43:48

The haves seem to have been doing quite well this go-round. They just gave in and bought the democracy, and things are so much better for them now.

 
Comment by measton
2010-02-18 14:12:58

” [T]he only sort of liberty that is real under democracy is the liberty of the have-nots to destroy the liberty of the haves.”

Please see my post on the 400 top wage earners in the country earning 350mil and paying an effective tax of 16% or so.

Tell me who is F’ing this country is sure isn’t the have nots.

Comment by Stpn2me
2010-02-19 03:49:15

Please see my post on the 400 top wage earners in the country earning 350mil and paying an effective tax of 16% or so.

Tell me who is F’ing this country is sure isn’t the have nots.

But I bet the “have nots” didnt pay ANY tax at all or probably got a refund. How is THAT fair?

Once again, I say tax everybody and end ALL deductions….What’s fair is fair.

THAT would balance the budget..

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 06:37:12

~ Dr. Walter Williams takes a pot shot at the enormously expensive 2010 Census.

“Unless a census taker can show me a constitutional requirement, the only information I plan to give are the number and names of the people in my household. The census taker might say, ‘It’s the law.’ Thomas Jefferson said, ‘Whensoever the General Government (Washington) assumes undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force”.

Comment by WT Economist
2010-02-18 06:44:17

Oh brother. It’s expensive because a large share of Americans don’t care enough about their country to fill in the forms correctly and mail them back. That’s too much sacrifice to ask.

The share willing to cooperate with the census has been falling since 1970s. Meanwhile, deficits, divorce and single parenthood have soared.

Look beyond the politics and ideologies, and see the bipartisan values of Generation Greed.

Comment by wolfgirl
2010-02-18 07:32:33

We live just over the county line.We were visited by people from both counties. I don’t think it’s been fixed yet.

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-02-18 07:40:48

Look beyond the politics and ideologies, and see the bipartisan values of Generation Greed.

huh?

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-02-18 07:56:29

Sorry, but considering the boon that the census has become for marketers and advertisers, any resistance to it equates to a (valiant, but Quixotic) stab at the heart of the consumer culture in my book.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 09:43:31

Not only that, but to my recollection, modern statistical sampling techniques were outlawed for use in conducting the U.S. census. Guess which is more expensive: A sampling-based estimate or a door-to-door census of all 300 million Americans?

 
 
 
Comment by AZgolfer
2010-02-18 06:38:20

I am working in Albuquerque this week. I work for an insurance company (when I’m not playing golf) and went out to a landscape company job site with the General Manager yesterday. He moved from Dallas to Albquerque in 2005 and bought a house. He said the house is up 100K since he bought it. I had to bite my tough not to say “really all I hear are how far prices have fallen” When I tell people in New Mexico about how bank owned properties have falled 75% in Phoenix they can hardly believe it. Still in denial here I guess.

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2010-02-18 06:44:48

Your coworkers comments aligns perfectly with GrizzlyBear’s assertion that the expectation of the deluded is that prices will skyrocket from here.

You’re correct Grizzly. Reality has begun to resonate yet.

 
Comment by Lip
2010-02-18 08:37:27

AZ golfer,

I hear the same when I travel to NM, they say prices and holding and if you look around they do seem higher than in the Phx market.

How can we explain this??? Not sure, but NM does have a bunch of high tech, governmentally funded companies and projects that are keeping things rolling as compared to the Phx area.

Lip

Ever golfed the courses up in the Farmington area? I hear they’re great and will be visiting later in the year.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 09:24:02

What’s say on their Sate license plates:

“Land of Enchantment” ;-)

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 09:25:12

ps, if you say it 5x fast it sounds like this:

“Land of Entrapment”

 
 
 
Comment by ACH
2010-02-18 06:45:23

Rumor:
The US Taxpayer is Bailing Out Greece, Ireland, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Wall Street, and any thing, any country, or any body that is TBTF.

Ron Paul thinks so. I’m not a Ron Paul guy, but he could be right.

http://www.libertynewsonline.com/article_358_28601.php

Roidy

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-02-18 08:15:14

Political borders are near meaningless here, “borders” are now multi-dimensional and follow the flow of capital.

Following that thought: if in the Cold War the USSR was the big red blob on the globe, then today GS would probably be its equivalent.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 09:32:14

In GoldenmanSucks employee handbook, what is the real meaning when referencing this acronym: WMD?

a. Weapons of Mass Destruction
b. Weapons of Mass Deceit
c. Wall st. Mad & Delusional
d. Both A & B
e. All of the above

:-)

 
 
Comment by SV guy
2010-02-18 14:41:32

I’m a RP guy. The masses seem to be sloooowly catching on. I believe that only after some true carnage will his message be embraced.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 06:53:06

Have Obama’s federal government weatherize your home for only $57,362 each
February 18, 2010 | LA Times

Who could forget the $5 billion in Obama administration stimulus money that was going to rapidly create nearly 90,000 green jobs across the country in these tough economic times and make so many thousands of homes all snuggy and warm and energy-efficient these very snowy days?

Well, a new report due out this morning will show the $5-billion program is so riddled with drafts that so far it’s weatherized only about 9,000 homes.

Based on the initial Obama-Biden program promise that it would create 87,000 new jobs its first year, that would be about 10 jobs for each home weatherized so far. Makes for pretty crowded doorways.

ABC News reports that the General Accountability Office will declare today that the Energy Department has fallen woefully behind — about 98.5% behind — the 593,000 homes it initially predicted would be weatherized in the Recovery Act’s very first, very chilly year.

The Energy Department is run by Steven Chu, like President Obama a Nobel Prize winner. You’ll never guess what the federal government blames for the lack of significant progress.

RED tape.

Not duct tape. Not weatherstripping. But that infamous RED tape. In the form of, well, forms.

Comment by Lip
2010-02-18 08:45:41

6% Believe Stimulus Created Jobs

Gateway Pundit’s Jim Hoft and The Hill’s Walter Alarkon have found an interesting statistic in a week-old CBS/NYT poll: “just 6 percent of Americans believe that [Obama's $787 billion stimulus package]created jobs, even though independent economists estimate that it has saved or created more than 1 million jobs.”

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/6_believe_stimulus_created_jobs/

Seems like this country is getting more “skeptical” about everything political these days, especially as they related to the BHO admin

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-02-18 10:12:37

MUST spend on $3000 desks chairs fancy carpeting…and of course new high end computers …..and Class A+++ office space ….ALL NEW

we cant have used equipment for a guv agency…..

everyday tons of business closing up and FREE desks cubicles all you have to do is move it…hey aren’t those guys that are supposed to be hired part of their job is moving and construction????

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-02-18 15:34:17

I’m in the process of tightening the building here at the Arizona Slim Ranch. And, sorry to say, it looks like a lot of the job can be done by…

…Slim.

So much for generating jobs at this place!

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 07:03:36

Drilling Ban To Cost Trillions
Investors Business Daily ~ 02/16/2010

Energy: A new study shows that our reluctance to develop domestic energy will cost the beleaguered U.S. economy trillions in opportunity costs, reduce our gross domestic product and increase our trade deficit.

From trying to stimulate jobs in nonexistent ZIP codes at great expense to worshiping the false gods of climate change, our biggest deficit these days may be in the area of common sense. A new study shows that many of our wounds are self-inflicted as we forgo the wealth and jobs to be found in our waters and under our feet.

The study by Science Applications International Corp. at the request of the National Association of Regulatory Utility Commissioners, the Gas Technology Institute and others shows the U.S. economy will suffer $2.3 trillion in lost opportunity costs over the next two decades, monies that would go a long way to reining in runaway deficits and creating economic growth.

Critics will say this is another self-serving study paid for by oil industry groups, but unlike the climate change fantasies concocted by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and Britain’s Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia, the study’s data can survive fact-checking and the conclusions are rooted in reality.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-18 07:19:07

the study’s data can survive fact-checking and the conclusions are rooted in reality.

Why? Because we say so.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 07:45:29

“…the U.S. economy will suffer $2.3 trillion in lost opportunity costs over the next two decades”

Ha, if the resources are still “in the ground” …what’s really “lost”?… it’s not like the “Oil Corp’s” don’t know how to stick a pipe-straw down 30,000 feet now is it? What’s the hurry, might be advantageous to let it “sit” there awhile..it’s not like it has an expiration date. :-)

Comment by SDGreg
2010-02-18 09:32:56

“…the U.S. economy will suffer $2.3 trillion in lost opportunity costs over the next two decades”

Often forgotten is the cost shifting associated with using certain energy sources such as coal. Those paying a portion of the full costs aren’t necessarily the producers or users.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 13:13:17

tankxs…see I think there is value in the “Do Nothing” philosophy…it’s just that the the repubican’s pick the wrong category’s. ;-)

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Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-18 17:56:04

No kidding!
Aside from the fact we are funding anti-american regimes, it’s a good idea to burn their oil and nat gas first….save ours for later

Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 18:59:32

Exactly.

Don’t forget we have NEVER drilled off of either east or west coast and the Gulf of Mexico is by no means played out.

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Comment by packman
2010-02-18 20:04:24

Hmmm - that didn’t sound right so I looked it up. New drilling was banned in 1981, but there was lots before that, e.g. there are 26 platforms off the California coast, with 1,500 active wells.

link

 
Comment by packman
2010-02-18 20:14:42

(Nevertheless your points are good - from a national security standpoint we’re far better off using other nations’ reserves first.)

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 21:15:38

Good find. I’d forgotten about those. I was 21 when that happened.

All I can say is “beer”. :lol:

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by lavi d
2010-02-18 07:07:54

Question yesterday from Carl Morris:

Also, was it you that posted a breakdown of the most common posters on the blog a week or two ago that disappeared soon after it was posted? I thought it was statistically interesting.

Yes, I did post a list of stats and it did disappear.

I hope that it was taken down because it was seen as inappropriate - it had Oly’s name in it.

I did not learn of her passing until a day or so after I posted the stats.

Comment by rusty
2010-02-18 14:33:34

Oly’s gone, wow she was one of my favorites to read!

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 16:22:44

welcome back to living misfits-in-America rusty…

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 19:01:34

Yeah, I just found out last week that she had passed away back in January.

 
 
Comment by Carl Morris
2010-02-18 17:31:14

I thought maybe it was politically incorrect to show that the number 1 and number 2 posters of all time were Professor Bear and Get Stucco :-).

But anyway, give any thought to making all of Oly’s posts available in one place?

 
 
Comment by BlueStar
2010-02-18 07:15:38

Stagflation dead ahead…
We all know this could happen. Questions to ponder, how many other countries explicitly tie their monetary policy directly to our FED? Colombia, Saudi Arabia, I know there are quite a few. So when Ben Bernanke sets short term rates to zero and they are forced to do the same thing to their banking systems.
So PPI shoots up by 1.4% (The producer price index is up 4.6% in the past year, the largest year-over-year gain since the financial crisis began in late 2008. The core PPI is up 1% in the past year.) and claims jump. Cash (fiat money) is in a weak position unless we can force commodity prices down.

Jobless Claims, Inflation Jump as Economy Wobbles.
www cnbc com/id/35457298

Comment by combotechie
2010-02-18 07:59:56

“Cash (fiat money) is in a weak position …”

The demand for cash in my lifetime has never been stronger than what it is now.

Comment by BlueStar
2010-02-18 08:16:16

Combo, You just have too much trust in cash holding it’s value. The stuff we really got to have; energy, medical care, drugs and housing (still) is just more expensive in dollars. I keep a wad of cash on hand and don’t use credit/debit cards so cash is handy but not something that increases in value. It’s a global race to the bottom with all the fiat currencies.

Comment by combotechie
2010-02-18 10:48:31

With real wages, meaning net take home pay, falling everywere I look I cannot see anything but the relentless increasing buying power of dollars.

There’s a shortage of the stuff, in case you haven’t been noticing. The scramble is on by people and governments trying to get enough to pay the bills. Every day I see this or read of this. It’s astonishing to me that nobody else seems to see it.

An article will emerge that clearly definies a deflationary scenerio and people here and elsewhere will intepret this article to mean that hyperinflation is on its way and thus the currency will soon be worthless.

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Comment by Michael Viking
2010-02-18 11:36:15

Maybe in the future, but right now even the government’s numbers don’t show deflation. The governments CPI numbers are showing inflation. Shadowstat’s numbers show even more inflation. It looks like the only time there was some deflation was around the time the stock market was taking a big dump going into March 09. There might have been a window in there where cash was king.

 
Comment by measton
2010-02-18 14:18:25

Take a look at house prices and boats.
If they don’t put cash into peoples pockets then deflation for stuff that people own is certain.

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2010-02-18 08:40:05

Apparently the supply however seems to keep outpacing the demand.

At least something’s making the price go down anyhow.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 09:37:38

What happened between 2000-2008? …looks like the backside of the Eiger! ;-)

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Comment by packman
2010-02-18 09:40:08

People selling dollars and buying houses, until 2006 at least. After that everyone was buying gold, oil, etc.

 
 
Comment by robin
2010-02-19 00:55:47

SCHC

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Comment by BlueStar
2010-02-18 11:54:07

Maybe if you measure value by the perceived current Standard of Living - the thing we personally measure against is OUR Standard of Living compared to our memory of how it used to be. Even with high unemployment there is actually less leisure time available. The thing defies putting a hard number on it because it is a perception, not a general reality. Money can’t buy happiness they say.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 19:03:28

Stagflation never really away since its inception in the 1970s. It’s just a lot more noticeable these days.

A LOT more.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 07:18:17

Enjoy the Year of the Tiger Short Sale.

The Financial Times
US banks turn to short sale strategy
By Suzanne Kapner in New York

Published: February 17 2010 02:00 | Last updated: February 17 2010 02:00

Big US banks including Bank of America, Wells Fargo, JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup are turning to a new tactic to clear their books of troubled mortgage loans: short sales, in which homeowners settle their debts by selling their properties for less than the mortgage value.

Short sales are expected to climb sharply this year as home values continue to plunge, leaving many borrowers underwater on their mortgages.

As moratoriums on mortgage payments and temporary loan modifications expire, a record 4.3m homes are entering or are in foreclosure, up from 3.4m in 2009. This creates an inventory overhang that will weigh on the housing market. Short sales are a way to help clear the pipeline.

Mark Zandi, chief economist of Moody’s Economy.com, forecasts short sales and another type of transaction - known as a deed-in-lieu, in which the homeowner turns over the deed to a property in lieu of paying the debts - to total 20 per cent of all lost home sales this year, up from 15 per cent last year.

After spending most of the past year focusing on largely ineffective loan modification plans, BofA, Wells Fargo, JPMorgan and other large banks said they were shifting their attention to short sales.

“If 2009 was the year of the loan modification, 2010 will be the year of the short sale,” said Jim Klinge, a real estate broker in San Diego, California.

The moves come as the US government prepares to launch a programme in April that encourages homeowners, lenders and investors to complete short sales by providing up to $3,500 in incentives.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 08:01:49

Big question: Where does the U.S. government subsidy enter the picture? Certainly Megabank, Inc would not be contemplating a switch over to short sales unless there was some kind of Main Street taxpayer-funded gravy train tossed in to sweeten the deal.

 
Comment by shelby
2010-02-18 09:46:10

Waiting to hear back myself from BOA on our SS offer in NoVA

Did we lowball it 10% off list - oh hell yeah !

Comment by Kim
2010-02-18 13:08:11

10% off list is too generous IMO, but perhaps someone was intelligent enough to price it correctly from the start.

Banks are foolish NOT to at least attempt more short sales IF a strict and thorough review of the FB’s finances warrent it. All the foreclosures I’ve toured are stripped and trashed, but short sales, although often under-maintained, are generally still in tact.

 
 
 
Comment by cobaltblue
2010-02-18 07:23:57

Whistler Past the Graveyard?

Olympic site may be auctioned off during time of Games:

WHISTLER, British Columbia (AP) — At the height of its Olympic glory, Whistler — the ski resort hosting glamorous Alpine events at the Winter Games — may be headed for the auction block.

It’s owned by a New York hedge fund that is reportedly behind on a $524 million loan payment, the result of flagging resort business and plummeting property values.

Creditors want their money back, and they’re playing hardball — calling an auction to put Whistler and other property up for sale Friday, the same day Bode Miller is scheduled to compete for his second Olympic medal in the men’s super-G.

The backstory is a parable of our economic times: high-stakes hedge-fund gambles, the collapse of Lehman Brothers and the possible bankruptcy of a company that owns some of North America’s most prestigious resorts.

If Whistler does get sold — meaning the slopes, the lifts, the property, all of it — some locals worry about an uncertain future.

“We don’t know what these new guys want to do with the mountain. It can change your whole life, right?” said Ian Ribera, manager of Castro’s Cuban Cigar Store in Whistler village.

The story begins in the distant days when Wall Street was on a seemingly unstoppable roll. Fortress paid $2.8 billion for Intrawest, which operates Whistler and other elite resorts in North America.

It borrowed about half the money from big investors like Lehman. Analysts say the idea was that soaring property prices would turn Intrawest into a massive profit machine.

Fast-forward to the 2010 Winter Games, and the world is a different place: Resorts are struggling and property prices have plunged, making it difficult to raise money in credit markets to meet loan commitments.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 07:34:05

“We don’t know what these new guys want to do with the mountain. It can change your whole life, right?”

What the old guys did with the mountain also changed lives. BTW, I am no engineer, but any moron should have been able to see the problem with having exposed metal beams right next to the bottom of a luge track.

Comment by Rancher
2010-02-18 08:25:26

The designers wanted to have a low environmental footprint for the run, so they
placed it in a spot that was much steeper than
normal resulting in speeds 10% faster.

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 08:42:19

Heck, just drop them out of airplanes. Way cheaper, and faster too!

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 09:42:43

Faster Luge, Faster Trades, Faster GPA’s…

Faster! Faster! Faster! ;-)

Waiting for an fpss “adult” response…

Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 19:08:17

I’ll say it for fpss:

SELL! SELL! SELL!

It’s all about the fees from the churn, baby.

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Comment by bink
2010-02-18 09:54:58

I don’t disagree with your assertion that having steel beams next to the track was a bad idea, but I think that guy would’ve been in serious trouble either way. Skidding across pavement at 90mph doesn’t sound much safer to me. You’re bound to hit something fairly quickly anyways… perhaps even another person.

Comment by Chris M
2010-02-18 14:55:40

They should have had a wall there. Or at least plexiglas like they put around the hockey rinks. The accident reminded me of the tunnel where Princess Diana was killed. Pillars like that should be protected better.

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Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-18 18:39:45

It took a long time before they started putting phone poles and light stanchions on the OUTSIDE of the guardrails not the inside….i saw some gruesome pictures where the car hit the guard rail and slid 100 feet into the pole…..

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 07:24:40

Jobless Claims in U.S. Increased 31,000 Last Week to 473,000
February 18, 2010

Feb. 18 (Bloomberg) — The number of Americans filing first-time claims for unemployment insurance unexpectedly increased last week, pointing to an uneven recovery in the labor market.

Initial jobless applications rose by 31,000 to 473,000 in the week ended Feb. 13, Labor Department figures showed today in Washington. The total number of people receiving unemployment insurance was unchanged and those receiving extended benefits increased.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-02-18 07:46:51

Remember, Romer and TTT both said the jobs will return in this spring, spring 2010.

Comment by ann gogh
2010-02-18 07:55:58

Don’t we have to stop losing jobs by hundred’s of thousands before we can make new ones?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-02-18 08:06:15

No matter what one’s politics are, I think everyone can agree that it is somewhat unsettling to see any administration’s highest officals paint themselves into a corner with regards to what has to be the most emotional and politically charged issue imaginable - jobs.

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Comment by cobaltblue
2010-02-18 09:01:57

“it is somewhat unsettling to see any administration’s highest officals paint themselves into a corner”

The notion that a bunch of arrogant egg-headed politicos can create jobs,wealth, and prosperity out of thin air dies hard amongst the Ivory Tower crowd. They spend their entire adult lives validating to each other the thoroughly discredited belief that big, intrusive government is just what the economy needs THIS TIME.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-18 09:34:21

The notion that a bunch of arrogant egg-headed politicos can create jobs,wealth, and prosperity out of thin air dies hard amongst the Ivory Tower crowd.

Yes and no to the notion that they could or could not create wealth and prosperity because in fact the political and ivory tower crowd of both parties working together HAS done it before. We just have to know who they have created it for and when.

In the past 30 years this same crowd HAS created great wealth for the super-rich therefore it is not inconceivable that a different group could re-create wealth for the middle-class.

The only problem is that re-creating wealth for the middle-class will gore the ox of the super-rich who have prospered by all of the outsourcing and monopolistic capitalism.

I have NO faith that our current crowd of loser Dems and Repubs will show any amount of courage in sticking up for the forgotten. We are not there. Yet.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 09:50:30

“…the super-rich who have prospered by all of the outsourcing and monopolistic capitalism.”

There you go again, dis’in the Engine’s of Industry…the Kings of Commerce…the suffering owners of yachts & fast horses & pro sports & … ;-)

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-02-18 13:12:21

Rio ,again right on ……These jerks are also destroying the tax base by outsourcing jobs and manufacturing . Wait until the crime rate goes up because of all the unemployment . Trade is one thing ,but giving up your job and manufacturing base is another .

Somebody posted a couple of months ago that the Health insurance monopoly was influencing the hiring of older Americans because of the health care liability (between 50 and 65 ) . When I think back about how hard the fight was for certain groups to try to get rid of discrimination in hiring practice and now age is the new discrimination practice ,so the profits can be bigger for the Insurance Companies .

 
Comment by measton
2010-02-18 14:23:33

I’m not looking for wealth and prosperity, I’m looking for the gov to prevent massive poverty, starvation, crime, and eventually riots.

Get rid of unemployment and tarp, and create jobs. I don’t care if it’s sorting trash for recyclable products, picking up trash in the city, making a park, installing insulation, building prisons. I’d rather they spent money on making jobs than unemployment and bailouts.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 19:11:42

Age discrimination in hiring is out of control.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 19:13:25

“…I’m not looking for wealth and prosperity, I’m looking for the gov to prevent massive poverty, starvation, crime, and eventually riots. ”

Which is their one and only reason for existence. A government that does not serve the people is not a government at all, but a tyranny.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 07:58:15

And I suppose the housing market will recover by next fall? After all, the housing recovery is always about one year out…

Please remind me when Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are expected to show up…

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-02-18 08:17:09

Don’t be surprised if what you see is a fat bearded guy in a bunny suit!

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Comment by potential buyer
2010-02-18 15:55:42

Why, when God tells them too…………::-)

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Comment by Mugsy
2010-02-18 08:08:52

“unexpectedly”…Can’t they come up with a new adverb? This one is all used up.

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-02-18 08:39:08

Can’t they come up with a new adverb?
How about

— The number of Americans filing first-time claims for unemployment insurance mysteriously increased last week,

or

defiantly
frantically
hastily
nervously
obnoxiously
painfully
rapidly
sadly
solemnly
stealthily
suddenly
suspiciously
swiftly
violently
vivaciously
wildly

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-18 10:03:41

Nice. I’ll add:

The number of Americans filing first-time claims for unemployment insurance odoriferously increased last week,

or:
grotesquely, bizarrely, brazenly, pathetically, inconceivably and political-incorrectly

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Comment by jeff saturday
2010-02-18 08:13:54

The sun unexpectedly rose this morning. Americans who did not pay their power bill for two months unexpectedly had their lights turned off in the week ended Feb.13 figures showed today in Washington.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 09:53:38

Home Despot unexpectedly, suddenly, ran out of inventory on chain saws & generators & 5 gallon gas cans…

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 07:27:34

The private mortgage securitization firms used to claim the GSEs had an unfair advantage in the market place. How should the U.S. taxpayer feel upon learning now that securitization is a broken, money-losing enterprise, the zombie GSEs have cornered a seventy-five percent taxpayer-subsidized market share? Propping up the value of middle class America’s most valuable asset is proving downright expensive.

AEI OUTLOOK SERIES
The Dead Shall Be Raised: The Future of Fannie and Freddie
By Peter J. Wallison | AEI Online
(February 2010)

Click here to view this Outlook as an Adobe Acrobat PDF.

January-February 2010

The renewed interest in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is premature. They are currently the mainstays of the U.S. housing market–more important now than they were before being placed in a government conservatorship in September 2008. Many observers do not believe the two government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) can survive the immense losses they will cause taxpayers, but this is far from true. For Fannie and Freddie to be eliminated, a new mortgage-financing system must take their place, but there is not even a hint of a replacement on the horizon. Once the housing market recovers, the GSEs will still be the only game in town, and supporting them will continue to be the course of least resistance for Congress. Moreover, it will not be easy to implement any of the alternatives to reestablishing Fannie and Freddie as GSEs. Nationalizing or reorganizing them as public utilities would both have significant drawbacks, while privatizing the GSEs–the most sensible approach–would require a major change in public attitudes about securitization. Sadly, in the absence of viable alternatives, their restoration as GSEs seems the most likely outcome.

Key points in this Outlook:

* It is unlikely that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, currently in a government conservatorship, will undergo any significant structural changes before the housing market is stable

* The future of these government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) is not yet decided; Fannie and Freddie could be nationalized, restructured as public utilities, privatized, or simply reestablished as GSEs operating as they did before the financial crisis.

* Privatizing Fannie and Freddie is the best option as a matter of policy, but in the absence of alternatives, Congress is likely to take the path of least resistance and return the GSEs to their precrisis status quo.

* Still, once the securitization market is functioning again, Fannie and Freddie can be privatized by reducing the conforming loan limit over time.

It has been an interesting few weeks for the small band of stalwarts who have always followed the depredations of Fannie and Freddie. The Treasury’s Christmas Eve action,[1] which removed the cap on the financial support it would provide the two companies, awakened renewed interest in what they will ultimately cost taxpayers. Then, in a surprise move, Representative Barney Frank (D-Mass.)–the GSEs’ long-time sponsor-protector–announced that the House Financial Services Committee, which he chairs, would seek to abolish them. All this interest–and certainly Barney Frank’s promise–is probably premature, since the two companies, still under the control of the Obama administration’s conservatorship, are the mainstays of the housing finance market in the United States today. Indeed, because they have securitized 75 percent of all mortgages originated in the United States in the first three quarters of 2009, the GSEs are playing a more prominent role in the U.S. housing market now than ever before.[2] It is unlikely, accordingly, that Congress will seriously tinker with the GSEs until the housing market stabilizes or another credible source of financing for middle-class homes capable of replacing them becomes available.

Comment by CA renter
2010-02-19 02:01:40

* It is unlikely that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, currently in a government conservatorship, will undergo any significant structural changes before the housing market is stable

Right, the private market won’t step in until the losses are wiped out. They only show up when things are profitable. Until there are profits, the taxpayers get to provide mortgages to the losers who choose to overpay and will, in many cases, end up defaulting (at well below market rates — which is where they’d be if the private market were making loans).

Hey, I’ve got an idea! How about we get rid of the GSEs and FHA, etc. (VA is okay, as I believe veterans have earned the right to have low mortgage rates and some housing assistance). Then, we might be able to see if the private market is willing to step in. Personally, I don’t think the private mortgage market is broken at all. They just aren’t willing to offer mortgages on overpriced collateral at artificially low rates…like the govt lenders do.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 07:28:26

Producer Prices in U.S. Increase More Than Forecast (Update1)

Feb. 18 (Bloomberg) — Wholesale prices in the U.S. accelerated more than anticipated in January, led by a jump in costs of energy, light trucks and pharmaceuticals.

The 1.4 percent rise in prices paid to factories, farmers and other producers followed a 0.4 percent increase in December, according to figures from the Labor Department in Washington. Excluding food and fuel, so-called core prices rose 0.3 percent, exceeding the median forecast in a Bloomberg News survey.

Raw materials costs rose the most in more than three years as factories boosted production to meet demand of a growing global economy. Capacity utilization below its two-decade average and a lack of job growth may limit the ability of suppliers to pass on those costs, allowing the Federal Reserve to keep interest rates near zero to help bolster the economy.

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 08:43:40

Where do people keep getting all this money to pay higher prices for stuff?

Comment by In Colorado
2010-02-18 12:13:14

Who says they can?

FWIW, inflation is worse now in Mexico, and they have even less money to spend than we do.

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 14:07:03

So - if shortage of money isn’t the cause, what is?

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 19:55:16

Supply side economic theory.

That’s the cause.

You raise prices to make up for lost revenue.

They didn’t label it “voodoo economics” back in the 1980s for nothing. (no joke)

I certainly hope the realization that UE is high and wages are stagnate finally kills the canard of higher wages being the primary cause of inflation… because that was bullsh!t.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 19:57:11

Now do you get it? (not “you”, just figuratively speaking)

They raises prices when demand is high and raise them when demand is low.

How could this not end well? :lol:

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 09:56:56

baby carrots or small blue pill…decisions, decisions, decisions

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 07:42:06

David Letterman calls Olympics officials ‘hypocrites’ after luge death
by Ken Tucker
Categories: Controversy, David Letterman, News, Olympics, Sports, TV Last Night, Television

Last night, after his opening-monolgue jokes, David Letterman sat down at his desk and delivered a casually stinging rebuke to the Olympics official who accused dead luge competitor Nodar Kumaritashvili of making “a mistake… that had fatal consequences.”

“A ‘mistake’?” said Letterman witheringly. “I just wonder if it had anything to do with those exposed steel girders… Don’t blame the kid, for god’s sake,” the host said, referring to Kumaritashvili, the 21 year-old representative of the Russian country of Georgia. “He had said to his dad. ‘I think something’s a little haywire here; I’m a little bit frightened about the track’…

“For them to say that he made a mistake, that just stinks,” continued Letterman. Why is it, he asked, that “they then repaired the track and covered up the girders and started [the race] from the women’s starting point?

“You know what it is? It’s hypocrisy, ladies and gentlemen,” said Letterman to loud applause.

Comment by Kim
2010-02-18 13:15:12

Nothing new about hypocrisy in the Olympics. Just look at what they did to figure skating scoring after Salt Lake.

 
Comment by JohnDanger
2010-02-18 14:23:52

Georgia is not a “Russian country” … hmm … ignorance, what can you do about it?

 
Comment by SV guy
2010-02-18 14:53:24

Even though I agree with DL on this one, he might want to refrain from using ‘hypocrite’. He being one himself.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 07:48:41

Question du juor: Does Goldman, whose alumni permeate high levels of the U.S. government, do for Uncle Sam what they did for Greece?

Since when did banking morph into the business of hiding debt to boost perceived values? Or has that always been what banking was about?

Goldman’s Greek grab

Firm hid troubled nation’s debt to boost returns

By PAUL THARP

Last Updated: 9:33 AM, February 18, 2010

Global leaders are bearing down on Goldman Sachs, demanding to know whether the firm helped cover up Greece’s cash crisis in order to peddle $15 billion in government IOU’s to unsuspecting investors.

Outrage swelled yesterday following new reports that Wall Street’s most profitable bank concocted financial transactions in 2001 that allowed Greece to sweep its debt troubles under the rug, making its bonds seem like safe bets. At the same time, Goldman was selling $15 billion of Greece’s government bonds and IOUs to clients without disclosing Athens’ deficit, according to reports.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel said it would be a “scandal” if the banks that brought the world to its financial knees had also helped Greece “falsify its budget.”

A second day of protests erupted on the streets of Athens and another bomb explosion occurred, this one outside a police building, causing damage but no injuries. Rallies and wildcat strikes continued to disrupt government services.

None of it softened Greece’s vow to solve its debt crisis with freezes of public-servant payrolls, layoffs and other cost cuts.

Meanwhile, EuroStat, which tracks EU regulatory documents, demanded that Greece turn over all files related to the financial transactions by Goldman and other banks. The probe was expected to spread to other EU countries that may have made similar deals.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 12:02:59

“Since when did banking morph into the business of hiding debt to boost perceived values? Or has that always been what banking was about?”

Well, has the rules for the game “Monopoly” been changed in the recent near past? :-)

“Monopoly is the most commercially-successful board game in United States history, with 485 million players worldwide. According to the BBC, Monopoly is a redesign of an earlier game “The Landlords Game” first published by the Quaker and political activist Elizabeth Magie. The purpose of that game was to teach people how monopolies end up bankrupting the many whilst giving extraordinary wealth to one or few individuals.

According to Hasbro, since Charles Darrow patented the game in 1935, approximately 750 million people have played the game, making it “the most played (commercial) board game in the world.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 20:00:02

I don’t think GS is going to be able to hide behind Uncle Sucker on this one.

It’s about damn time they started feeling some real heat.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 07:54:15

Standard rule of thumb: Initial claims north of 400K are indicative of an ongoing recession.

Got green shoots of stagflation?

Economic Report

Feb. 18, 2010, 9:40 a.m. EST

Jobless claims rise 31,000 to 473,000
Total jobless claims rise to 11.8 million, including federal benefits

Producer prices soar 1.4% on energy costs

By Rex Nutting, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The number of people filing initial claims for state unemployment benefits rose by 31,000 to a seasonally adjusted 473,000 last week, the Labor Department reported Thursday, a sign that labor markets remain very weak.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 20:01:13

It’s been stagflation for 30 years. The question now is the intensity.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 07:55:50

The PPT seems determined to make U.S. stock owners look like the smartest guys in the room (again).

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 09:47:30

Added benefit of ever-rising stock prices: Since stocks are a component of the Index of Leading Economic Indicators, rising stock prices will help rebuild confidence, leading newly confident employers to increase hiring. No matter if the stock price increases were due to financial engineering or fundamentals…

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 12:08:17

Well, I’m just a sittin’ & a waitin’ for the St. to make another individual boo boo…just a waitin’ …just a waitin’… not today, but soon… ;-)

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 08:12:09

Another Government Scheme, It’s for your own good.

“The Treasury and Labor departments are asking for public comment on ‘the conversion of 401(k) savings and Individual Retirement Accounts into annuities or other steady payment streams.’

“In plain English, the idea is for the government to take your retirement savings in return for a promise to pay you some monthly benefit in your retirement years.

“They will tell you that you are ‘investing’ your money in U.S. Treasury bonds. But they will use your money immediately to pay for their unprecedented trillion-dollar budget deficits, leaving nothing to back up their political promises, just as they have raided the Social Security trust funds.”

Comment by Rancher
2010-02-18 08:27:49

The government wolves are looking at $13 trillion
dollars that they want to grab which would almost
guarantee a revolt.

Comment by Michael Viking
2010-02-18 08:57:48

Maybe this is the government testing the waters for a modified Corralito?

Rancher, It didn’t really seem like anybody in Argentina revolted and I’m sure the Fed learned a thing or two by studying how it down there. There’s certainly a chance that the US has their version of a Corralito in the works and they’ll have the hubris to be certain they’re doing it correctly, fairly and for our own good. As Cool Hand Luke said: “Wish you’d quit being so good to me, boss.”

Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 20:51:38

No, the people didn’t revolt. What they DID do was successfully create their own unofficial economy.

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Comment by BlueStar
2010-02-18 09:20:09

You are wrong.
The public (labor) has zero creditability. We all hate unions right? Ever since Reagan the unions have been demonized to the point they are a standard right-wing/conservative talking point. In fact unions were the only force large enough to push back when Capital markets crushed them back in the early 1900’s. Now we have no ‘people’s army’ to push back. The Tea Party is all about ‘Individual Rights’, yeah that’s right no leaders except maybe Rush, Beck And Palin. Is General Rush going to order a strike? Ha!

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 12:35:37

Palin / Shrub III …2012!

“TrueAnger™” PeeParty tea toadlers!

Hey, fix those “Home” price appreciation as soon as you get elected, really, … ASAP! :-)

Listen to a fascinating NPR story about a guy that got his Chinese drivers license in 2001

2001 = 40 million licenses
2008= 138 million licenses

Why do the lil “people” save a lot of cash? Your child needs a blood transfusion: “Show me your yuans!” ;-)

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Comment by lavi d
2010-02-18 12:41:57

Palin / Shrub III …2012!

You know, I would be a Republican if they actually meant what they say about “Personal Liberty”

A woman should have Personal Liberty when consulting with her doctor, a person should have Personal Liberty when deciding which consenting adult to marry and there should be Personal Liberty to choose whatever drugs you feel you need.

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2010-02-18 20:37:55

The hypocrisy, misuse of language and misdirection by the right wing knows no bounds.

 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-02-18 08:46:57

Thank you sir may I have another.

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-02-18 09:09:12

Dear Gwd…

 
2010-02-18 09:14:54

You know, I’ve read the proposal, and I didn’t see *anything* like these people are suggesting. All I saw was that 401k accounts be made to offer a treasury *option,* and that it be the default rather than some high-fee/high-risk stock fund.

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 09:34:31

and that it be the default rather than some high-fee/high-risk stock fund

Please show me *any* 401k that has a stock fund as default.

I’ve been a part of four 401k’s in my life - all have just cash as default. Treasuries would be a change from that.

Nevertheless - you’re right in that this isn’t a big deal, at least in terms of actual action. It’s just a request for commentary. Seems like it’s a shot across the bow however - a warning as to what may come. Someone mentioned a few weeks ago (after this proposal first came out) that Japan does force people to invest some of their savings in treasuries - I haven’t seen specific proof of that though (if anyone has any, please post a link). If true, then I’m guessing that’s where we’re headed, being that our debt level will surely eventually match Japan’s current level, and we’re running out of suckers to sell our debt to, short of outright fraud.

 
 
Comment by Lip
2010-02-18 09:54:06

wmbz,

Could we have a link? Please? I had a discussion with the fetching Ms Lip and she does not believe such talk.

IMO, if you look at the pickle we’re in (thanks to all politicians), this is the way they’re going to generate some $$$ since that’s where all the money is tied up.

It’s kind of like our legal system. The insurance companies have the pots of gold, the lawyers want those pots of gold, and the legal system revolves around the various interest groups getting the laws passed to help them either keep or attain these.

Thanks for doing what you do here,
Lip

Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 10:18:48

Lip,
Here you go, it was from The Investors Business Daily ~ 2-17-10

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=521423

Comment by Lip
2010-02-18 16:46:20

Thanks, UR Awesome.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 10:38:57

Lip, I posted the link, in case it does not make it through.

The article was in IBD Investors Business Daily on 2-17-10

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 12:13:45

Another wmbz post = my “mystery” link

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 12:17:01

IBD Editorial
On The Right
Class Warfare’s Next Target: 401(k) Savings

By NEWT GINGRICH AND PETER FERRARA

BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™)

wmbz: “As God is my witness…”

Comment by laurel, md
2010-02-18 17:04:00

“By Newt Gingrich and …”. Darn, I had expected a serious analytical analysis by the LaRouche Think Tank.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 20:53:26

“…“The Treasury and Labor departments are asking for public comment on ‘the conversion of 401(k) savings and Individual Retirement Accounts into annuities or other steady payment streams.’…”

And once again, HBB predicted this.

 
 
Comment by drumminj
2010-02-18 08:27:18

Ooooh, I just got this in my inbox:

I came across a copy of your resume and think you may be a great shot for a few full time positions I’m currently working on. Our clients are among the top financial firms in the NY/CT area.

I could go work for a “top financial firm”. Hold me back!

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-02-18 12:36:26

Yes and YOU can make $100K a year and working for a Top 500 company listed for 33 years on the NYSE and

we offer bonuses and best of all UNLIMITED INCOME earn what you are worth

I like that…………………………NOT

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 08:28:38

Colo. House cutting $475 million from state budget
February 18, 2010

DENVER (AP) — Colorado lawmakers slashed jobs and state services Wednesday in an effort to cut another $475 million from this year’s budget, targeting education, prisons and Medicaid patients.

The 31 bills approved by the House cut nearly every sector of state government as lawmakers worked to cut $1.5 billion over the next two years. The bills face a third reading before they head to the Senate.

On Tuesday, lawmakers approved and sent to the governor bills that would raise $118 million over the next two years by eliminating tax breaks and imposing a 2.9 percent state sales tax on products including candy and soda, downloaded software and pesticides.

Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 08:31:03

State by state the same thing is happening, plenty of tax increases on the way.

 
Comment by polly
2010-02-18 12:06:13

This is another reason why the federal government won’t do a direct bail out of California. With some states doing the hard work needed to take care of their own problems, there will be insufficient political support for bailing out a state that doesn’t/can’t do it.

The other reason, as I pointed out yesterday, is that there just isn’t enough money to bail out everyone who wants it, so you can’t even start.

 
 
Comment by Terry
2010-02-18 08:45:56

Interesting story on NBC news last night. A study showed that 47% of Americans are now taking some kind of prescription drug. of that 47% 34 % take more than one. Thats about 150 million people on drugs.
I guess the place to start fixing the health care system, would be with the drug companies and the hypochondriacs. No wonder our water supplies are showing residues of prescription drugs.
maybe the movies “Crazies ” is based on people drinking the water and going crazy from the combo of drugs.
Seriously, though, something is terribly wrong, when that many people are on some type of prescription drug.

Comment by lavi d
2010-02-18 08:52:10

Seriously, though, something is terribly wrong, when that many people are on some type of prescription drug.

Well, the over-the-counter drugs are not all that compelling.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-02-18 08:52:55

“No wonder our water supplies are showing residues of prescription drugs.”

I have to think about this statement for a minute. How much of the water we use is drank compared to how much is used for other thngs? The amount of drugs getting into the human body due to drinking water has to be miniscule.

Comment by BlueStar
2010-02-18 11:33:52

Humans are up to 78% water by weight. It really doesn’t take much to introduce tiny amounts of all kinds of synthetic materials in to our bodies. Plus the bad stuff tends to collect in specific organs. The brain is one of those organs… Think about it. It may even contribute to the low attention span of the public which allows the ‘leader’s’ to keep telling them “it’s different this time”.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 12:41:56

What’s the main ingredient of KOOL-AIDE?

What happens when you add “corn syrup”?

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-02-18 11:05:18

It would be interesting to see a breakdown of drug types.

Hypertension (I bet that’s a lot)
Mood altering
etc.

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-18 08:52:19

Greetings from the “newly re employed” front. Went from jobless to working 7 days a week; might get a day off on Sunday.

Now that I’m back “in circulation” in a town with some aviation activity, I’m getting caught up with “Rumor Control”…….used aircraft prices have stabilized at 60% of 2007-8 prices. Buyers are coming out of the woodwork, buying all the best airplanes (including my new employer……paid 13 mill for an aircraft that would have sold (quickly) for somewhere north of $20 mill in 2008).

The banks have repossessed a lot of airplanes. Trouble is, like houses, they are just parking them and doing nothing to maintain them. And like a house in Florida, they deteriorate rapidly if not used or improperly stored. For example, the engine OEMs are requiring hot-section inspections on improperly stored engines before they will give the “blessing” for them to fly again. Airframe corrosion issues are also going to be a huge problem.

A lot of formerly good, but older aircraft are going to be “uneconomical to repair” sooner rather than later.

Another “eating our own children issue” is going to be the decimation of all the younger guys in the aviation business. The industry has spent ten years recruiting and training new guys to replace the old guys eventually. Now they have all been laid off. There is going to be a real problem getting younger guys in the airplane fixing business, and the ones that are there won’t have any “adult supervision” for the most part if/when they do come back.

Comment by lavi d
2010-02-18 09:09:29

Greetings from the “newly re employed” front.

Congratulations!!!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 09:32:10

“The banks have repossessed a lot of airplanes. Trouble is, like houses, they are just parking them and doing nothing to maintain them. And like a house in Florida, they deteriorate rapidly if not used or improperly stored.”

Congrats on your re-employment, and thanks for the fascinating analogy between repossessed airplanes and houses which banks are hiding under the living room rug.

Are the banks still expecting to get bailed out for all the physically depreciating assets which they are hiding off balance sheet? Why wouldn’t it make sense for them to sell sooner, rather than indefinitely holding on to physically depreciating, falling knife repossessed collateral?

 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-02-18 11:09:28

If you mean commercial aviation, I believe the demand will fall faster than the supply as prices rise.

After having been an overpaid industry 30 years ago, it’s arguably and underpaid industry now, and layoffs won’t help the labor pool.

Fuel won’t be getting cheaper in dollars in the long run.

I doubt investors will be willing to throw money away on airlines again. That means they’ll need to make money in order to be able to afford airplanes.

It all points to higher prices. I told my kids they can’t plan on going to school a plane ride away.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-02-18 12:22:12

I thought that it was very telling that the bulk of orders for the Boeing 787 are from overseas.

It will be interesting to see how long US carriers can keep their jalopies air worthy.

 
 
Comment by polly
2010-02-18 11:15:14

Congratulations GSfixer (can we take the “X-” off now?). And thanks for the inside info. Misstoring of valuable capital assets as the current equivalent of plowing under the crops?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 12:49:54

Congrat’s X-GSfixr…questions:

Why can’t the plane’s fly to an “unnamed” overseas location for R&R?

Are Boeing planes 100% American made?

Of the 185 global Nations that need jets, do all buy planes that meet US Standards?

just wondering…

 
Comment by laurel, md
2010-02-18 17:19:22

I am just home from a few days sking in North Penn and South New York with a friend living in that area. The local Syracuse TV news had an item about a local aircraft servicer that was probably going to shut down in May. 200 people to lose their jobs. The company had been in business for 30 years.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 21:03:59

Congrats X-GSfixr!

“…The industry has spent ten years recruiting and training new guys to replace the old guys eventually. Now they have all been laid off. There is going to be a real problem getting younger guys in the airplane fixing business, and the ones that are there won’t have any “adult supervision” for the most part if/when they do come back….”

This is the same thing that has happened to all the advanced technical professional skills trades.

When an industry keeps throwing people out of work every other decade, people start looking for more stable professions.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-02-18 09:19:01

Even top democrats are seeing the train wreck a-coming with the democrat blind and total support of public unions.

———————–

Democrat Caddell rips White House for obeisance to organized labor
By Jon Ward - The Daily Caller - 02/17/10

Longtime Democratic strategist Pat Caddell on Wednesday blasted the Obama White House for creating “a world in which there is no dissent,” following his banishment from Colorado Democrat Andrew Romanoff’s campaign for Senate.

Caddell said he is being ostracized for sounding alarms about the problem that public sector unions are posing for the Democratic party. He said he supports industrial unions but that government employee unions such as the SEIU — which is one of the Democratic party’s biggest campaign contributors — violate the raison d’etre of the party, which is to “stand up for ordinary average Americans, not money and special interests.”

“I think the public unions are going to take the country and the Democratic party down the tubes,” Caddell said. “They’re in the business of taking care of — of asking taxpayers, asking ordinary people, to pay for people who make twice as much as they make, with benefit packages they will never see, and they’re told, you may not cut those.”

He pointed to health-care negotiations, where the SEIU has preserved health-care benefits from cuts, and to the $787 billion stimulus, which has benefited mostly state government employees so far. He said public sector employee unions in California have contributed to the state’s fiscal crisis by demanding that taxpayers subsidize their job status and guaranteed salaries and benefits.

Caddell said he was not attacking government employees but that the system “has grown into something far beyond what it should be.”

“How are you going to tell a person who makes $40,000 that they must pay money to make sure that people keep jobs who make $80,000, roughly, and who have defined pensions that they will never see?” Caddell said. “You cannot ask ordinary Americans who have no jobs, whose pensions have been ransacked, and whose pay has been stagnant, to keep rewarding people who don’t face the same kind of conditions and risk.”

“The people who pay for it are suffering,” he said. “The taxpayers are going to explode. This is the big coming issue of our time.”

Comment by BlueStar
2010-02-18 09:39:42

Since you don’t own a fortune 500 company or belong to a union then you are screwed, right? You may not like unions, and there is plenty of bad union leadership, I doubt you personally dislike the americans that make up that union. They pay taxes, go to church and serve in the armed forces so it’s the politicians that are seeking to divide us and keep us from uniting against the oppression of big government. For example, the Tea Party helps this division by stressing this myth of individualism.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-02-18 09:47:19

To furthur beat this theme to death:

If the definition of the term “debt” can be expanded to mean “money owed” and not just “money borrowed”, then there is an AWFUL LOT of debt out there. Social Security promises and pension promises make up a large portion of this debt.

One person’s debt is another person’s money. Money borrowed and not repaid hoses the lender. Money promised and not paid out hoses the promisee. Either way somebody gets hosed.

A debt based on a loan is a fixed amount, an amount closely related to the amount of the debt. Not true for debts based on promises.

The amount of debts based on retirement promises is open-ended, it’s dependent on the lifespan of the retiree. It the retiree dies one day after he retires then his debt was little. If he lives for forty years after retiring then his debt was a lot.

A lot of these promised-based debts will never be honored; the numbers just aren’t there. This means a lot of financial hosing for a lot of soon-to-be-bewildered people.

Which means the economy will contract even furthur as these retirees will have less money to spend.

Comment by lavi d
2010-02-18 10:04:49

To furthur beat this theme to death:

Furthur

 
 
Comment by X-philly
2010-02-18 10:18:33

Caddell has been a discordant voice, the Dem party’s own roundly dismissed Cassandra. After all, it was not he who organized and engineered the historic presidency of The One, so what does he know?
He will be once again ignored, leaving the work of consolidating party power to the cognoscenti and bright lights in residence at the White House.

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2010-02-18 10:29:33

“How are you going to tell a person who makes $40,000 that they must pay money to make sure that people keep jobs who make $80,000, roughly, and who have defined pensions that they will never see?”

This is what has been brewing for many years and Democrats should not underestimate the ill will that comes with it. They may keep singing the “We’re busy cleaning up the mess Bush left behind” tune. They would be wrong about doing that. “It’s the economy, stupid” is still topping the charts at #1, for the Average Joe.

The fun will really start when government workers - including police, fire and sanitation, join teachers and bus drivers in strikes. Will the Democratic leadership ’stand behind’ the striking “workers”? Or, will newly unemployed
and “discouraged” workers expect that the perceived fatcats should get fired so THEY can apply for the jobs? All that union campaign money and all those campaign promises and expectations of beneficial hope and change will hit a brick wall of voter outrage at about 2010 MPH.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-18 21:11:30

Class warfare at it’s finest.

Instead of figuring out how to make sure everybody gets a pension, they’re trying to get everybody to figure out how to take away the last of the pensions and DRAW ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE BANKERS who screwed up everything in the first place.

You might want to think about how you’re going to live in the homeless shelter when you’re old and feeble… because now matter how “safe” and set for retirement you think you are… you aren’t. Not with a “if I can’t have it nobody can” mindset that rules our society these days.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 09:26:52

Wouldn’t someone making monthly payments on a $379,000 loan owe $379,000 plus future interest payments? As usual, I’m confused by the San Diego Union-Tribune journalist’s financial analysis.

Just for grins, how about a little exponential trend extrapolation:

Date / Percent Late on Mortgages
Q4.07 1.5
Q4.08 6.2
Q4.09 9.9
Q4.10 29.8

Of course, given that the mortgage crisis is contained, and that the pool of potential additional late payers shrinks as the current pool of late payers increases, my extrapolation is highly likely to prove unduly pessimistic. A logistic growth model of late payment diffusion is more appropriate than an exponential model in this context.

10 percent reportedly late on mortgages
County figure up from 6.2 percent year earlier

By Roger Showley, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 12:04 a.m.

Nearly 10 percent of San Diego County homeowners with mortgages are at least two months late on their payments and are likely to default and fall into foreclosure, a sampling of area credit records shows.

According to Chicago-based Trans-Union, a credit and information management company, a record 9.9 percent of mortgage holders in the county were 60 days or more delinquent in the fourth quarter of last year. That’s up from 6.2 percent a year earlier and 1.5 percent, the historic average, at the beginning of 2007.

California’s delinquency was even higher, 11 percent, while the nation as a whole was at 6.9 percent — both record levels. TransUnion used a sample of 27 million consumers’ credit records, about one-tenth of the total available, to calculate the delinquency rate.

TransUnion said the average mortgage debt for San Diego households at the end of 2009 was $379,271, about $10,000 less than at the beginning of 2007. With the median home price at $325,000 in the fourth quarter, that suggests the typical homeowner owes more than his or her mortgage.

A monthly mortgage payment on a $379,000, 30-year fixed loan currently runs about $2,034, so someone two months in arrears would owe about $6,000, including the current payment.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 11:24:38

“…so someone two months in arrears would owe about $6,000, including the current payment”

Let’s see in CA, 2nd bi-yearly tax payment due: Feb 1st late April 10th

FWIW

 
Comment by Lip
2010-02-18 16:55:59

Phew, its a good thing that we’ve hit the bottom !?!?!?

Where are they all going? AZ? We’ve got cheap McMansions over here and its getting scary to think that our worst fears aren’t even close to the truth of how bad its going to get.

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1925-W-Tanya-Trail_Phoenix_AZ_85086_1116192631?gate=msn&source=a2mszh1t042

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-02-18 09:31:18

How many of us have an effective tax rate of under 17%

Feb. 18 (Bloomberg) — The 400 highest-earning U.S. households reported an average of $345 million in income in 2007, up 31 percent from a year earlier, IRS statistics show.

The average tax rate for the households fell to the lowest in almost 20 years.

The figures for 2007, the last year of an economic expansion, show that the average income reported by the top 400 earners more than doubled from $131.1 million in 2001. That year, Congress adopted tax cuts urged by then-President George W. Bush that Democrats say disproportionately benefit the wealthy.

Each household in the top 400 of earners paid an average tax rate of 16.6 percent, the lowest since the agency began tracking the data in 1992, the Internal Revenue Service statistics show. The top 400 paid $23 billion in taxes in 2007, up from $18 billion a year earlier, and a bigger amount than any year since 1992.

Their average effective tax rate was about half the 29.4 percent in 1993, the first year of President Bill Clinton’s administration, when taxes were increased. The top 400 earners reported an average of $46 million of income that year.

Our gov works for the rich, there is just no way you can come to any other conclusion. They throw just enough at the masses to keep them from rioting.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-02-18 09:49:29

But taxing the rich is unfair and socialist and unamerican. It will destroy jobs and generally end civilization as we know it. If you want to raise revenue go after the unemployed, the welfare mothers, the food stamp recipients and all the other lazy bums not pulling their weight. The hard working folk on Wall Street are doing God’s work and deserve to be compensate accordingly without you getting your greedy little fingers on their well earned reward. Let’em eat cake!

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 11:37:51

I think you’re plagiarizing from New Twits “Contract Without America” & the core principles of GOP 2010 “TruePurity™” team America & makin’ a mish mash of the collective tenets of the “TrueAnger™” PeeParty tea toadlers.

(Not to mention that certain unnamed “blue state voters” are Unpatriotic & UnAmerican.) ;-)

Comment by SV guy
2010-02-18 15:10:23

Hwy,

The joke was funny the first time.

Now, not so funny.

Disclaimer: I detest both political parties

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 17:02:25

Mike was jokin’… I was merely pointing out that it’s hard to follow a “TrueIdea™” when it becomes a “conglomerate” ideology. ;-)

 
Comment by SV guy
2010-02-18 18:30:44

All in good fun Hwy.

 
 
 
 
Comment by michael
2010-02-18 13:13:45

the attribution of these low effective income tax rates is the beneficial tax rate on dividends received…enacted by the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2003…signed into law by president bush to alleviate the punitive double taxation feature of the corporate form.

(theoretical tax discussion)

XYZ Company makes a profit of $ 100. The profit is taxed at 35%. Total tax to XYZ company = $ 35. effective tax rate for the corporation is $ 35%.

XYZ company then distributes the $ 100 in the form of a dividend to its shareholder. the dividend received by the shareholder is taxed at 15% (formerly taxed at ordinary rates). total tax to shareholder = $ 15. effective tax rate for the shareholder is 15%.

effective tax rate on $ 100 corporate profit = 50% ($ 15 + $ 35 divided by $ 100}.

the financial position of the dividend recipient should be irrelevant to the “fair and justifiable tax rate” discussion…at least with respect to corporate dividends.

i would love to know their effective tax rate on their taxable income excluding dividend income.

Comment by measton
2010-02-18 14:39:38

From the NYT

Two out of every three United States corporations paid no federal income taxes from 1998 through 2005, according to a report released Tuesday by the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress.

It’s a rediculous arguement anyway, because we all get double taxed. Our income gets taxed, then we pay property taxes, and sales taxes, you name it. This double taxation arguement is handed out to people who believe in trickle down economics. If I just give the elite a little more my life will be better. The emperor has no clothes.

Comment by michael
2010-02-18 15:21:21

“Our income gets taxed, then we pay property taxes, and sales taxes, you name it.”

not all the same concept.

“Two out of every three United States corporations paid no federal income taxes from 1998 through 2005…”

dividends come from earnings and profits. if the company has no earnings and profits (loosely derived from taxable income…a company that doesnt pay taxes most likely does not have current earnings and profits) and distributes cash to its shareholders…guess what…it’s considered a return of capital and not taxed at all…to the extent of the shareholder’s basis.

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Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-02-18 09:35:32

The FED, Pension funds, PIIGS, Wall Street/GS and assorted other deadbeats and their enablers are finding out that while a Ponzi scheme is all fun ‘n games in the beginning, the later stages are getting increasingly difficult to manage. Every hole you patch up on one end tears another leak somewhere else. Too many unintended consequences once you’re caught in a web of lies and deception.

“U.S. Economy Grinds To Halt As Nation Realizes Money Just A Symbolic, Mutually Shared Illusion”
“Though raising interest rates is unlikely at the moment, the Fed will of course act appropriately if we…if we…” said Bernanke, who then paused for a moment, looked down at his prepared statement, and shook his head in utter disbelief. “You know what? It doesn’t matter. None of this—this so-called ‘money’—really matters at all.”
“It’s just an illusion,” a wide-eyed Bernanke added as he removed bills from his wallet and slowly spread them out before him. “Just look at it: Meaningless pieces of paper with numbers printed on them. Worthless.”

….read more at The Onion
enjoy

Comment by michael
2010-02-18 12:13:27

i think our “defense” department would suggest otherwise.

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-02-18 09:41:55

Just heard that a plane crashed into an FBI building in Texas. No details.

Comment by lavi d
2010-02-18 12:57:54

Just heard that a plane crashed into an FBI building in Texas. No details.

He was pparently furious with the IRS.

What just occurred to me (and probably a lot of you before this) is that the government’s War on Terror could easily be turned into a “War on Revolutionaries” if the populace does finally get fed up with the never ending corruption in Washington.

Comment by X-philly
2010-02-18 14:42:30

This guy had problems, I skimmed through his manifesto/screed, he referenced the “storm in his head”.

Wait for reports of all the red flags that had appeared in this man’s life, although if he did need professional help his friends or family couldn’t do much if he wasn’t willing.

He may be portrayed as a revolutionary, but these anti-IRS eruptions have occurred since, well as long as the agency’s existed. The one incident that stands out in my mind is when the guy blew up his own house when IRS agents were coming to investigate. But this particular case certainly is destruction on a much larger scale.

 
 
Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2010-02-18 15:23:28

“A federal law official identified the pilot as Joseph Stack and said investigators were looking at a long anti-government screed and farewell note that he apparently posted on the Web earlier in the day as an explanation for what he was about to do.

In it, the author cited run-ins with the IRS and ranted about the tax agency, government bailouts and corporate America’s “thugs and plunderers.”

“I have had all I can stand,” he wrote in the note, dated Thursday, adding: “I choose not to keep looking over my shoulder at `big brother’ while he strips my carcass.”

Stack, 53, also apparently set fire to his house about six miles from the crash site before embarking on the suicide flight, said two law enforcement officials, who like other authorities spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still going on.”

http://www.katu.com/news/national/84707037.html

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-02-18 17:11:37

Guy sounds like a real piece of work.

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2010-02-18 09:46:35

Someday my post will show.

The plane that hit the FBI building was a small single-engine plane apparently.

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 09:49:43

Sounds like an accident. And it wasn’t actually an “FBI building” (got that quote from someone else) but a building with many businesses, including a small FBI field office, which wasn’t damaged.

Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 10:36:42

Also, the IRS has offices on the first floor.

Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 10:44:38

Dude set his house on fire, then stole the plane and flew into the section of building were the IRS criminal investigation unit is, or there abouts.

Reported by CNN

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Comment by waiting_in_la
2010-02-18 14:36:23

Boy, Jewish lightning is getting an upgrade in this round of economic decline.

:)

 
Comment by polly
2010-02-18 17:23:07

Huh? What is “Jewish lightning”?

 
Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-18 19:26:24

polly
i just learned this one myself
jewish lightning is the expression for a property owner that deliberately commits arson to get the insurance money.

i don’t know the semitic origin

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 09:48:01

Slow and steady jobs bleed… Heading over seas.

Chip Gear Maker Closing Irvine Plant
Orange County Business 2-18-10

A Pennsylvania maker of gear to produce chips is closing its Irvine Ca. plant, laying off 56 people and shifting the work to Malaysia and Singapore.

Kulicke & Soffa Industries Inc., based in the Philadelphia suburb of Fort Washington, plans to cut the workers from its Irvine plant during the next two years, according to a Securities and Exchange Commission filing.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-02-18 09:57:51

There can be no true recovery until this nonsense stops.

Comment by measton
2010-02-18 14:41:36

Yep if this continues houses around the country will be sold like those in Detroit.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 09:50:59

Too bad no SFRs in our area sell for anywhere near $319,000.

Affordability of housing dips in county
By Roger Showley, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 1:49 a.m.

San Diego County’s housing affordability has again dipped below the 50 percent level, the National Association of Home Builders said yesterday.

The 48.1 score in the Housing Opportunity Index represents the percentage of homes sold in the fourth quarter that a median-income household could afford using standard underwriting guidelines.

The new level positions San Diego as the 13th-most unaffordable market among 227 areas surveyed.

San Diego’s affordability peaked at a record 58.8 percent in the first quarter of last year. The region ranked 31st among least-affordable areas in the third quarter of 2008, its best showing in the 19 years of the survey.

The latest figures were based on a fourth-quarter median price of $319,000 for a single-family resale home, a 30-year, fixed-rate mortgage interest rate of 5.1 percent and a down payment of 10 percent. The median household income in the quarter was $74,900, and the survey assumes that a household will spend no more than 28 percent of income on housing.

Nationally, the index stood at 70.8 percent. Eleven of the 20 least-affordable markets were in California. New York ranked first at 19.7 percent and San Francisco was second at 22.3 percent.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 09:52:19

P.S. The assumption of a ten percent downpayment is bogus. I would have to guess a vanishingly small share of San Diego buyers purchasing homes for $319,000 bring $31,900 to the closing table. Please offer evidence to the contrary if you have any.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 09:51:03

Delaware Machinery hit by $18 million lawsuit.

MUNCIE — Plagued by rumors of layoffs and closing and complaints from customers who didn’t get product they paid for, Muncie die-cast tool manufacturer Delaware Machinery has been hit by a lawsuit by First Merchants Bank, which seeks repayment of $18 million in loans.

The bank — which has itself been troubled by tens of millions of dollars in losses — has filed a Delaware Circuit Court lawsuit against the 62-year-old firm, its officers and business partners over a series of loans that began in September 2007.

First Merchants is seeking repayment of six loans worth a total of $18.6 million and interest amounting to $2,939 per day.

Comment by X-philly
2010-02-18 10:22:01

Manufacturing jobs can’t afford to take too many more hits in these parts.

I heard on the radio this morning that Delaware AG office is suing Ryan Homes for misrepresenting its product and fees.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 09:59:15

Spoke with a local real-a-tor this A.M. He tells me that the NAR lobby is pushing hard for the $8000 tax credit to be extended. No surprise there, however they are also pushing for an additional $2000 for anyone buying a newly constructed house. For a total $10,000 tax credit, to be extended until Jan.2011.

Has anyone else heard this?

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 10:16:54

Yeah - just now, from you.

:)

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 10:21:23

(sorry, couldn’t resist)

Comment by Bad Chile
2010-02-18 10:41:09

Rumors were flying at the last ‘expiration’ that the credit would be increased to $15,000 (didn’t happen) and it would be extended to non-first time home buyers (did happen). Regardless, I think it doesn’t take any primary or even secondary sources to venture a good guess it will be extended. I think the average Real-a-tor probably hears “The NAR is lobbying for an extension/expansion” and considers the extension/expansion a done deal.

Tthe only way to avoid a “wow it’s bad!” extension is have the credit expire in August, right as the selling season ends and both sales and prices are at yearly highs (non-seasonally adjusted). Expirations at any other time (November, or espically April) just beg to be extended due to the seasonal variation in home purchases. As such, the tax credit will never be written to expire between July and September.

As far as I’m concerned, this tax credit will become a permanent fixture in the economy.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 10:48:39

“As far as I’m concerned, this tax credit will become a permanent fixture in the economy”.

Would not surprise me, but once something becomes a fixture it’s ‘urgency’ allure wears off in a hurry. What’s the rush to buy then?

New home builders are looking for some new angles to push their product, I am sure. Money always lubricates the wheels.

 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-02-18 11:07:47

You can only achieve a new/better high by upping the dosage. Of course on the other hand withdrawl is a bitch.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 10:45:20

I’m holding out for the $25,000 home buyer tax credit in 2013.

Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 10:49:59

Hang in there! The 8k is getting old, taint enough.

 
Comment by lavi d
2010-02-18 10:54:54

I’m holding out for the $25,000 home buyer tax credit in 2013.

What about the free-home-from-the-govt-for-paying-your-taxes that’s bound to be proposed any time now?

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 11:10:36

$25,000? 2013? ;-)

$270,000 loan @ 5.0% = $1,449.42 per month
(total loan cost: $521,790.62)

$270,000 loan @ 14.0% = $3,199.15 per month
(total loan cost: $1,151,695.34)

Future FED policy:

“It’s a mystery Charlie Brown!”

Lucy: “Hwy, you’re such a BLOCKHEAD!”

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 10:04:26

Mayor rolls out the un-welcome carpet for Barry…

Las Vegas, NV (KTNV) - Mayor Oscar Goodman has refused an invitation to meet with President Obama when he arrives in town on Thursday. Mayor Goodman called President Obama a slow learner after he told Americans not to blow money on a weekend in Las Vegas if they were saving to put their kids through college.

“I’ve got other things to do quite frankly for my constituents here in Las Vegas who rely on me to do the right thing as a mayor,” explained Mayor Goodman.

Comment by combotechie
2010-02-18 11:33:14

“Mayor Goodman called President Obama a slow learner after he told Americans not to blow money on a weekend in La Vegas if they were saving to put their kids through college.”

And this is bad advice because …?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 13:47:48

…it came from a “Non-Hawaiian”

 
Comment by X-philly
2010-02-18 14:53:31

There was such an over-reaction to his comment, he could just have easily said Atlantic City and then the NJ delegation would be pis$ed off. I’m wondering why Las Vegas keeps coming up as the example though, maybe 0bama harbors a secret hatred for Harry Reid.

Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 15:01:36

“maybe 0bama harbors a secret hatred for Harry Reid”.

Could be, when Harry said Barry “didn’t speak in a negro dialect unless he wanted to” That may have secretly pissed Barry off, so he going to fly out to Vegas and give whispering Harry the kiss of death.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 16:15:09

So how is the Gov of South Carolina doin’ these days?, or more importantly, who’s he doin’ these days? ;-)

 
Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2010-02-18 20:50:34

6 months ago, wmbz was singing the praises of Mark Sanford and how honorable he is.

Remember that funny everyone? TRUST wmbz’s judgement of character. HE KNOWS!!!

 
Comment by X-philly
2010-02-19 06:16:35

Why all the hate on wmbz?

 
 
 
 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-02-18 13:30:15

Mayor Goodman called President Obama a slow learner …

The mayor of our archetypal boom-and-bust smoke-and-mirrors fantastical city can’t seem to figure out why Las Vegas is in the doldrums, or why it deserves to be in the doldrums.

Who’s the slow learner in this story?

 
Comment by Chris M
2010-02-18 15:31:40

So the mayor thinks that Americans *should* blow their money on a weekend in Las Vegas instead of saving to put their kids through college? Obama has not said many things that I agree with, but this was one time he was right. Screw Vegas. What is produced there? It’s just a rigged game, and so is Wall Street. Yet these are the most celebrated and “glamorous” places in the country. Meanwhile, the places where things are actually manufactured are destitute and decaying. This country needs to shift its priorities.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-02-18 17:13:54

I also agree with what Obama said about parents not being so poor that they can’t keep the TV off during the week. He forbids his kids from watching TV on school nights, and for that, I say, “Thank you, Mr. President.”

(I wasn’t allowed to watch much TV when I was a kid. Didn’t really feel deprived, as TV took a lot of time away from reading. And I’m still a bookworm.)

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 10:42:02

Another O.C. women’s clothing store is closing
February 18th, 2010 O.C. Register

Shopgirls by Lisa & Helen in Costa Mesa is slated to close next month, said co-owner Helen Platt.

The closing sale began earlier this month. The discount ranges from about 30 percent to 60 percent. The boutique, located at 369 E. 17th St., sells women’s clothing by brands such as Rebecca Taylor and Catherine Malandrino, sunglasses by Dita, jewelry and perfume.

Platt said she and her business partner Lisa Gurney are closing their only 1,300-square-foot shop because they have three young children between the two of them and due to the weak economy. When they started the store six years ago, they didn’t have children and had more time to invest in the business. Also, the economy has hurt store sales since September. Platt declined to say how much sales have fallen since then, but added that they have “dropped a lot.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 10:44:16

The transcript for this program is highly recommended listening when it becomes available. The commentators are highly skeptical about banks’ claims that they are not withholding inventory. Matt Battiata’s proposed remedy to the San Diego housing malaise: Force banks to stop withholding inventory from the market.

These Days
S.D. Home Prices Fluctuate, Sales Still Down

An audio recording of this interview will be posted here within a few hours of the live broadcast. A transcript will also be added within 24 hours. Thank you for your patience.

By Maureen Cavanaugh, Hank Crook

February 18, 2010

Maureen Cavanaugh: The new year has started with some unsettling news for San Diego’s housing market. There was a 7.6 percent drop in the median home price last month. That drop wiped out all the small gains in housing prices during the last quarter of 2009.

But market analysts tell us not to worry, January and February are unreliable months for San Diego real estate. The real story about housing prices will be told this spring.

So where does all that leave us?

Guests

Roger Showley, staff writer for the San Diego Union-Tribune who covers real estate.

Matt Battiata, CEO of the Battiata Real Estate Group.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-19 00:50:38

The transcript is there. I highly recommend it, as there is much interesting discussion. For example, Matt Battiata just visited Barney Frank’s office; he suggested the Fed’s MBS purchase program is unlikely to be phased out as announced.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 11:16:42

So much for that scientific scam.

UN climate chief quits, leaves talks hanging
By ARTHUR MAX (AP) – 27 minutes ago

AMSTERDAM — The sharp-tongued U.N. official who shepherded troubled climate talks for nearly four years announced his resignation Thursday, leaving an uncertain path to a new treaty on global warming.

Exhausted and frustrated by unrelenting bickering between rich and poor countries, Yvo de Boer said he will step down July 1 to work in business and academia.

With no obvious successor in sight, fears were voiced that whoever follows will be far less forceful than the skilled former civil servant from the Netherlands.

His departure takes effect five months before 193 nations reconvene in Cancun, Mexico, for another attempt to reach a worldwide legal agreement on controlling greenhouse gas emissions, blamed for the gradual heating of the Earth that scientists predict will worsen weather-related disasters.

The resignation “comes at the worst time in the climate change negotiations,” said Agus Purnomo, Indonesia’s special presidential assistant on climate change. “His decision will ultimately add to the difficulties we already have in reaching a successful outcome in Mexico.”

De Boer made the announcement just two months after a disappointing summit in Copenhagen that ended with a nonbinding accord brokered by President Barack Obama promising emissions cuts and immediate financing for poor countries — but even that failed to win consensus agreement.

In an AP interview last month, de Boer acknowledged that the summit left him deeply disheartened. “After Copenhagen I was very depressed. I was depressed for a few weeks,” he said.

Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 12:40:41

“The resignation “comes at the worst time in the climate change negotiations,” said Agus Purnomo”

Aw come on, he probably resigned so that he could spend more time with his family. Had nothing to do with his involvement of one of the world’s great scams.

Comment by jessman
2010-02-18 15:36:06

Are you kidding? World’s biggest scams? This is nothing compared to everyone thinking Pluto was a planet for 70 years!

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-18 15:50:15

This is nothing compared to everyone thinking Pluto was a planet for 70 years!

Pluto was a planet.

(for 70 years)

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Comment by wmbz
2010-02-19 05:53:36

“One” of, I think you missed that word.

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Comment by SV guy
2010-02-18 15:21:05

Good riddance.

Remember Goldman Sachs was going to be a primary player in the ‘Carbon Credit’ game. This was going to make it “All better”.

There’s that name again, GS. Anybody seeing a trend here?

 
 
Comment by hip in zilker
2010-02-18 11:35:11

This is on the Austin American Statesman website - apparently a note posted by pilot explaining the plane crash into a building today - angry at IRS. The paper says that the pilot’s home is on fire.

The mayor is making a statement now.

after the wwws: statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/blotter/entries/2010/02/18/internet_note_posted_by_man_li.html

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-02-18 14:46:52

i dunno why i read through that whole rant..

here’s the gist of it, as I see it.
———

It all started when:
“Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having ‘tax code’ readings and discussions.” (why not just say tax protesters)

Having 16 years of education, this guy thinks he’s gonna outsmart the IRS.. pays no taxes, claiming to be tax exempt.

IRS eventually pops him for $40K.. woohoo.. (IF you offer a big enough target the IRS might come after you.. $40K sounds like it’s worth persuing.)

Corruption in the capitalist world is his excuse for attempting to avoid taxes.

so now what.. he crashed a plane into a building?

Comment by SaladSD
2010-02-18 15:06:54

He didn’t mind the rest of us subsidzing the FAA so he could fly, if he were so inclined, without hitting buildings. These people are unbelievable, for every tea bagger you’ll likely find a family member on some sort of government assistence, be it unemployment benefits or WICS. Not to say that the tax code isn’t messed up and needs an overhaul, but folks that say they’re exempt from paying their share of the costs of infrastructure and national security (nothwithstanding wars of choice) really slay me.

Comment by Chris M
2010-02-18 18:30:06

Musta been one of them Marxist teabaggers…

“The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010″

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Comment by technovelist
2010-02-19 05:51:46

I don’t want any “national security” as defined by the government. They mean their security, not ours.

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Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 11:41:00

U.S. Cracks Down on ‘Contractors’ as a Tax Dodge
February 18, 2010 ~ New York Times

Federal and state officials, many facing record budget deficits, are starting to aggressively pursue companies that try to pass off regular employees as independent contractors.

President Obama’s 2010 budget assumes that the federal crackdown will yield at least $7 billion over 10 years. More than two dozen states also have stepped up enforcement, often by enacting stricter penalties for misclassifying workers.

Many workplace experts say a growing number of companies have maneuvered to cut costs by wrongly classifying regular employees as independent contractors, though they often are given desks, phone lines and assignments just like regular employees. Moreover, the experts say, workers have become more reluctant to challenge such practices, given the tough job market.

Comment by PNC
2010-02-18 11:57:33

Maine is doing this to their contractors as a way to up Workman’s Comps collections

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-02-18 15:45:24

I just wrote a Freelance Switch article on this topic. The FS community reacted like a hornet’s nest that had been whacked by a stick. (Read the post-article comments and you’ll see what I mean.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 11:50:14

The Federal Reserve’s Exit Strategy: Unlegislated Bailout of Fannie and Freddie.
How to spend (up to) $1.5 trillion without Congressional approval (updated) ~ John P. Hussman, Ph.D. 2-16-10

http://www.hussmanfunds.com/wmc/wmc100216.htm

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 12:40:12

“Unlegislated Bailout of Fannie and Freddie”

Does the Fed operate above any Rule of Law?

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 16:46:55

You seem to have the legal tendencies of a lairwyer Mr. Bear…you always ask a question that you seem to know the answer to already. ;-)

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 18:03:07

I don’t claim to have the faintest understanding of what the Fed is legally allowed to do. In fact, from where I view the situation out on the Left Coast, it appears they can do whatever they want.

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Comment by packman
2010-02-18 20:12:50

That way from the right coast as well. As a matter of fact I’m close enough I occasionally hear a distant “BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!” coming from the direction of the Eccles building.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-19 00:29:28

Of course you probably know the building is named for Marriner S. Eccles, the LDS Federal Reserve Chairman during FDR’s time in office.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-02-18 13:39:16

Now this Hussman guy seems to have a pretty firm grasp of what’s going on in the financial world. Why do we almost never have anybody at that level of competency run the FED or US treasury?
I guess you’ve to be connected the the crime syndicate called GS to get anywhere.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 13:46:17

Rolo-Dex search: “…What Corp Logo’s are on your resume?”

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 14:21:32

It’d be one thing if the Fed’s interventions were limited to ultra-low interest policy, but printing fiatscos and using them to take assets off the market in order to prop up their values seems to tread unprecedented ground. Is what they are doing even legal?

At any rate, a program to begin soon and to last years sounds like a good recipe for going Japanese.

The Fed

Feb. 17, 2010, 4:45 p.m. EST
Some on FOMC impatient for asset sales
Push for gradual program that begins soon and lasts years

Fed should sell mortgage-backed bonds: Plosser

By Greg Robb, MarketWatch

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Several members of the Federal Reserve are impatient about the size of the central bank’s $2 trillion balance sheet and want to start a program of gradual sales in the near future, according to a summary of the Fed’s January closed-door meeting released on Wednesday.

These Fed officials dismissed worries by some of their colleagues that selling assets before the economy was on firmer footing might disrupt markets or damage the recovery.

These officials judged that a predictable manner of assets sales, spread over a number of years “would underscore the Fed’s determination to exit from the period of exceptionally accommodative monetary policy in a manner and at a pace that would keep inflation contained without having large effects on asset prices or market interest rates,” the minutes said.

What Happens When Fed Exits Mortgage Market?

The central bank is helping to keep rates low and fund loans for home buyers and refinancers, but in March it plans to end its support. Greg McBride at Bankrate dot com says buyers still have some time, but if you’re eager to refinance, get going. MarketWatch’s Andrea Coombes reports.

A few members of the Federal Open Market Committee suggested that the Fed might even have to buy more assets in the future to assist financial markets. They said that the pace of asset sales or purchases could be adjusted depending on economic conditions.

Millan Mulrain, economist at TD Securities in Toronto, said the push for asset sales suggested that the Fed was “more hawkish” than generally thought.

Mulraine said he was sticking to his forecast that the Fed will keep the Fed funds rate unchanged until the first quarter of 2011, but added “we would highlight the risk that action on the asset side of the balance sheet may come before that time.”

The debate over asset sales highlighted that the Fed is far from unanimous about how to exit from its ultra-low interest rate policy, but keen to have the debate.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 12:30:41

Rates on 30-year mortgages drop to 4.93 pct, second straight weekly decline. (AP)

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 13:44:06

What no link?

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 12:32:42

Consumers spent at 2009 levels in January
February 18, 2010

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - American consumers say they reduced their spending in January to levels similar to early 2009, when the U.S. economy was still in recession, according to a Gallup poll released on Thursday.

The findings, which contradict U.S. data suggesting spending strength in January, showed consumers in all income brackets and geographic regions spending less in January vs. December in stores, restaurants, gas stations and online.

In many cases, Gallup said consumers spent less in the first month of 2010 than in January 2009, a weak economic period when monthly retail sales fell nearly 10 percent and the economy headed for a 6.4 percent first-quarter contraction.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-02-18 14:48:32

American consumers say they reduced their spending in January to levels similar to early 2009

Pft! Most people I know are spending less.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 12:35:56

Looks like the excellent job loss report will drive the DOW back to 10,400.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-02-18 14:28:53

Job loss is a certainty. The market thrives on certainty.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 12:57:47

‘Please Rob Me’: The website that tells the world when you’re not at home. Mail Foreign Service ~~ 18th February 2010

A website that provides minute by minute updates on people who are not at home has sparked concern that it will encourage burglars.

The site, called Please Rob Me, launched this week and has been criticised for being the perfect tool for any self-respecting housebreaker.

But the three brains behind the website insist they’re not helping criminals, but highlighting the dangers of the latest social networking craze of announcing to the world where you are at any given moment via the internet.
Please Rob Me

Website Please Rob Me launched this week and has been criticised for being the perfect tool for any self-respecting housebreaker

Social networking crazes such as Foursquare, in which users post their location online, are a goldmine for potential burglars, the website’s founders said.

The Please Rob Me website says: ‘Our intention is not, and never has been, to have people burglarized.’

Instead they are trying to alert people to the danger of putting too much information on the world wide web.

The Dutch website channels information from other networking sites like Twitter into one place, listing ‘all those empty homes out there’ and providing a running total of ‘new opportunities’.

The information it provides on people’s movements is searchable by city or by their Twitter username.

‘We’re leaving the lights on when we’re going on a holiday, but we’re telling everybody on the internet we’re not home,’ said co-founder Frank Groeneveld, 22.

‘The danger is publicly telling people where you are. This is because it leaves one place you’re definitely not - home.

‘We’re not trying to get people robbed, but helping them not to get robbed. We’re just presenting this information in a more obvious way. And that’s our point: Everyone can see this on Twitter.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 13:03:23

wmbz…do read the threads or just post?…sheez

wmbz = “The repeater”

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 12:59:01

Just as I thought…

China’s Long, Strange Road Trip
In his latest book Peter Hessler gets his driver’s license and explores the villages and factory towns of China.

By TATIANA LAU WSJ Opinion Journal

“Driving in China is so stressful that among expatriates, obtaining a license is often met with incredulity rather than congratulations. In a country that has only just surpassed the United States in automobile sales but whose death toll on the roads is five times higher, why would a foreigner risk life and limb by getting behind the wheel? To which Peter Hessler responds, “I can’t believe you get into cabs and buses driven by graduates of Chinese driving courses.” :-)

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 13:21:49

Hudson Valley Resort files for bankruptcy.
Times Herald Record ~ 2-18-10

KERHONKSON — Suffocating under more than $26 million of debt, the Hudson Valley Resort & Spa has declared bankruptcy in a last-ditch effort to avoid foreclosure.

Owners of the resort filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy in January, just as the holder of their largest mortgage finished a foreclosure case against them. Chapter 11 could allow the owners, who operate under Everyday Logistics LLC, to reorganize debts and keep the hotel.

The 323-room resort, formerly known as the Granit Hotel, has stayed open while its owners and lenders battle in court. Eliot Spitzer, one of the Hudson Valley Resort’s managing partners, said he couldn’t talk about the bankruptcy when contacted at his Monsey office this week. (He is not the former governor of New York.)

“This does not affect the actual operation of the hotel,” said Spitzer, who owns the property with his partner, Michael Steinberg. “I think we’ll be all right when it’s all over.”

Spitzer and Steinberg owe more than $25 million on six mortgages. They purchased the hotel, its 18-hole golf course and the 400-acre property in 2006 for $18.5 million. The full-market assessed value of the property is $5.8 million.

Hudson Valley Resort & Spa is the largest private employer in this mountain town, with some 150 people on its payroll.

Henry Zabatta, who owned the hotel when it was the Granit, is familiar with the scenario that’s unfolding. Zabatta went bankrupt on the hotel in 1997 with a $5 million mortgage and said the current owners paid too much for it.

“I don’t know who brokered that deal, but it was highway robbery,” he said. “You can’t possibly operate a hotel in this region with that much debt.”

Comment by Sagesse
2010-02-18 20:02:10

The parents who used to come with their teens to the Catskills, in order to prevent them from dirty dancing, they now go to Vegas and the teens to spring break in Cancun.

It is a really ugly building, and for real ghosts, there is the Mohonk Mountain hotel nearby. “In-room amenities include dial-up internet”. How about controlled implosion.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 13:30:16

From the Sunday New York Times.

“Even as the crisis was nearing the flashpoint, banks were searching for ways to help Greece forestall the day of reckoning. In early November — three months before Athens became the epicenter of global financial anxiety — a team from Goldman Sachs arrived in the ancient city with a very modern proposition for a government struggling to pay its bills, according to two people who were briefed on the meeting. The bankers, led by Goldman’s president, Gary D. Cohn, held out a financing instrument that would have pushed debt from Greece’s health care system far into the future, much as when strapped homeowners take out second mortgages to pay off their credit cards”

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 13:50:29

Is Soros a Progressive or Just Another Opportunistic Hedge Fund Manger?
Max Keiser UK 2-17-10

While at Davos, George Soros claimed that gold was in the “ultimate bubble.”

What we now learn is that he was simultaneously doubling his position in gold.

Soros More Than Doubled Gold ETF Stake in 4th Quarter

I have followed Soros’ career for 25 years. His hedge fund comes first, his causes second. Any progressives out there who think Soros is their friend are fooling themselves. Why do I say this? Because any hope progressives have in championing their cause on the basis of a more honest approach to politics and economics will always have a tall mountain to climb as long as Soros is around - with his duplicity and slippery hedge fund tactics - also claiming to be progressive.

My guest explains his new campaign in the UK, ‘Save Our Savers.’ This is the British equivalent to the US’s Move Your Money campaign.

The movement to decapitalize the banksters has become global!

Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-02-18 14:39:32

You don’t become a billionaire by running a charity.

Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 14:56:47

Absolutely right!

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 16:08:50

Right, you become a Billionaire by lending “your name” to a non-profit: Trump Towers ;-)

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-02-18 14:54:54

Just because it’s a bubble doesn’t mean he thinks it’s about to go pop. I suspect most of Wall Street knew housing was a bubble but it didn’t stop them from pumping it even higher.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-02-18 15:03:02

“The movement to decapitalize bankers has become global!”

Mr. Market has already done a fine job of decapitalizing bankers.

Decapitating bankers is not such a bad idea either.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 13:58:10

The job application black hole
February 18, 2010

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Ever applied to a job online only to have your résumé seemingly vanish into a void?

From crafting a winning cover letter to acing an interview, landing a job is tough enough in this market. But millions of job seekers can’t even get a foot in the door as they apply to countless positions and seldom hear anything in response.

“I’ve been looking since September. I send out résumés and nobody answers me,” said Vicki LaVista, 56, a former executive assistant who has not had any luck on the job hunt. “It’s already February and I don’t even have a bite,” she says.

LaVista estimates she applies to about 100 positions a week on sites like CareerBuilder, Monster and Craigslist, but never receives so much as a rejection form letter.

“I’d rather get feedback than no feedback. It would be better to hear ‘we hate you,’” she said.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-02-18 14:20:48

And its worse than ever.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-02-18 14:21:04

job hunting is so cool these days.. laze around the house in your underwear.. send emails..

 
Comment by X-philly
2010-02-18 14:36:17

Someone on this board posted that his luck changed getting replies to resume when he enlisted the aid of a professional resume writer.

In the current job market, it seems one has to use all tools available.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 16:05:12

“…56, a former executive assistant”

It could’ve been worse, it could have said for: a home builder or mortgage lender.

 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 15:03:47

Fed raises discount rate to 0.75 percent
February 18, 2010, 4:46 pm

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Federal Reserve said on Thursday it was raising the interest rate it charges banks for emergency loans, citing improvement in financial market conditions.

The Fed said the discount rate would be increased to 0.75 percent from 0.50 percent, effective Friday.

“Like the closure of a number of extraordinary credit programs earlier this month, these changes are intended as a further normalization of the Federal Reserve’s lending facilities,” the Fed said in a statement.

“The modifications are not expected to lead to tighter financial conditions for households and businesses and do not signal any change in the outlook for the economy or for monetary policy,” it said.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-02-18 16:11:13

Well, well, well…..and the unwinding begins…..

What an interesting spring it’s going to be.

 
Comment by BlueStar
2010-02-18 16:33:34

That move crushed gold and silver. The dollar rose via the Euro/Yen/Canada/Peso. Oil and long term interest rates went up. The market did not like this. I think it was a push back on the Chinese. Let’s see if they push back. I bet the Mortgage rates spike tomorrow too.

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 20:16:36

Yep. Crushed stocks too - futures were down quite a bit right after the announcement.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-19 00:45:34

Look on the bright side: At least the Fed can’t be accused of pushing on a string any more…

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Comment by bink
2010-02-18 16:46:25

Is activity at the discount window published somewhere? The media is playing this down as unimportant as no one uses that avenue.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-02-18 17:45:13

IIRC, the MSM did indeed make hay about it on the way down.

 
Comment by packman
2010-02-18 20:22:00

Is activity at the discount window published somewhere?

borrowings
rate (at least I think that’s it)

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 20:58:11

Looks like something happened…just before… the eve of the 44th Presidential Inauguration :-)

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Comment by wmbz
2010-02-18 15:18:12

Clipped from the Daily Reckoning…

A French court yesterday found twelve industry figures guilty of exporting inferior quality wine to the United States fraudulently under the Pinot Noir label. It is believed some 18 million bottles of sub-palatable plonk found their way onto US dining tables before the ruse was uncovered. The unnamed shysters, who pocketed millions carrying out their heinous act, were handed suspended sentences and fines ranging from 3,000 to 18,000 rapidly-depreciating euros.

At the time of writing, the questionable batch appears to be confined to E&G Gallo’s “Red Bicyclette” label, although it is difficult at this early juncture to fully assess the extent of the damage. Until further information becomes available, your editor has taken the precautionary measure of switching to Australian Shiraz and Argentinean Malbec only. We suggest you employ a similarly protective strategy.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 17:05:11

I’m in “Bottle Shock” I’s tell ya! :-)

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-02-18 15:32:04
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-18 17:28:44

“A year and a half after they were minutes away from bankruptcy, how are these assholes not only back on their feet again, but hauling in bonuses at the same rate they were during the bubble?

The answer to that question is basically twofold: They raped the taxpayer, and they raped their clients.”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 20:04:25

From the article: :-)
“…Con artists have a word for the inability of their victims to accept that they’ve been scammed. They call it the “True Believer Syndrome.”

BWAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! (fpss™)
&
BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™)

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-02-18 20:19:58

They raped the taxpayer, and they raped their clients.

While I like Tiabbi and I think the article is great, that particular term is used too often and too glibly. A writer of Tiabbi’s caliber should know better.

Comment by packman
2010-02-18 20:26:35

Keep in mind the audience - it’s Rolling Stone, not Reader’s Digest.

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Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2010-02-18 20:54:02

“Sodomized” is best used when referring to the treatment Corporatists dole out to the US citizen.

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Comment by bobo4u
2010-02-18 22:07:14

In regards to the middle class, I think necrophilia works even better.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 19:31:37

It’s a good thing that there are still “TrueBeliever’s™” who think that lil’ Opie (The Non-Hawaiian) is the root cause of the current problems in this American eCONomy,…they are… what the phrase?…focused & on point. ;-)

“…In fact, the Fed became not just a source of emergency borrowing that enabled Goldman and Morgan Stanley to stave off disaster — it became a source of long-term guaranteed income. Borrowing at zero percent interest, banks like Goldman now had virtually infinite ways to make money. In one of the most common maneuvers, they simply took the money they borrowed from the government at zero percent and lent it back to the government by buying Treasury bills that paid interest of three or four percent. It was basically a license to print money — no different than attaching an ATM to the side of the Federal Reserve.

“You’re borrowing at zero, putting it out there at two or three percent, with hundreds of billions of dollars — man, you can make a lot of money that way,” says the manager of one prominent hedge fund. “It’s free money.” Which goes a long way to explaining Goldman’s enormous profits last year. But all that free money was amplified by another scam”

 
 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-02-18 15:43:30

Feb. 18 (Bloomberg) — The Federal Reserve Board raised the discount rate charged to banks for direct loans by a quarter point to 0.75 percent and said the move will encourage financial institutions to rely more on money markets rather than the central bank for short-term liquidity needs.

Comment by combotechie
2010-02-18 18:21:15

I like it, I love it, I want some more of it.

Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-02-18 19:22:39

LOL!

 
 
 
Comment by easthawaii
2010-02-18 16:17:37

I’ve been waiting since 2003 for the Fed to start rates back up….

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 16:42:03

Hardy Har Har: “Oh me, Oh my, Oh dear”

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 18:50:16

Those poor, poor, poor, Indemnified Insurance Corporations ;-)

Repubicans: “Do Nothing!”

“TrueAnger™” PeeParty tea toadlers: Yell / Scream/ Shake you fists…then join in with the “Do Nothings”!

By Duke Helfand February 18, 2010 LA Times

Escalating costs are stripping families and small businesses of their coverage, the HHS secretary says:

Sebelius criticized the nation’s largest insurance companies for raising premiums on customers who buy individual policies. She said the premiums have contributed to huge insurer gains, citing a report last week that showed the country’s five largest insurers made $12.2 billion in profits last year, up 56% over 2008.

“These profits are wildly excessive,” Sebelius said.

Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-02-18 19:59:58

“These profits are wildly excessive,” Sebelius said.

Why … the very insinuation is un-American!

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 20:30:35

Sarah The Barracuda / Joe the Plumber / PeeParty Tea Toadlers

GOP = Grand ole Pimp

Joe the Plumber goes off on McCain, says he ’screwed up my life’

By Eric Zimmermann - 02/14/10 The Hill

As for Obama: “I think his ideology is un-American, but he’s one of the more honest politicians. At least he told us what he wanted to do.”

Comment by Realtors Are Liars
2010-02-18 20:55:48

Joe the “I’m not a plumber and my name isn’t Joe” is a perfect example of how the rightwing treats their voters….. kick’em to the curb.

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-18 20:52:07

Hey looks like you missed this one wmbz, …well, maybe yousa was gonna post et tomorrow…

That lil Opie, spending,spending, spending

Black Farmers, USDA Agree to $1.25 Billion Settlement:
By LAUREN ETTER WSJ

“The settlement is the latest in the Obama administration’s push to focus on civil-rights issues and close out longstanding discrimination claims. In December, the administration proposed spending $3.4 billion to settle longstanding claims that the federal government mismanaged Americans Indians’ trust funds”

 
Comment by bink
2010-02-18 22:37:24

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/18/AR2010021805904.html

The threat is especially acute in the District, the firm said, where the catalogue of troubled commercial real estate properties has grown tenfold since April. Moreover, the region has $7.3 billion in commercial properties that are underwater — worth less than the mortgages on them — according to CoStar.

Uh oh, spaghettiO’s.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-19 00:42:24

* The Wall Street Journal
* TODAY’S MARKETS
* FEBRUARY 20, 2010

Fed Surprises Markets With an Increase in Bank Rate

By MARK GONGLOFF, TOM LAURICELLA And MIN ZENG

Financial markets were sent into a late-day spin after being caught off-guard by the Federal Reserve decision to raise the rate it charges banks for emergency loans.

While the central bank had flagged the likelihood of increasing the discount rate, the timing surprised many investors. The Fed decision was announced after the close of New York trading, and the price of Treasury debt fell immediately.

The yield on the two-year Treasury note, which moves in the opposite direction of price, rose to 0.92% from 0.88%—a large move in that yield, according to Brian Yelvington, director of fixed-income research at brokerage Knight Libertas.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average, having posted its third consecutive session of gains with a rise of 83.66 points, or 0.81%, to 10392, fell in after-hours trading. Futures prices for the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index fell roughly 0.9% before recovering slightly.

The Fed action also gave a boost to the U.S. dollar, especially against the weakened euro, which slid to $1.3518 from the late-afternoon quote of $1.3613. Gold prices dropped $11 to $1,112.70, which more than reversed a small gain posted during the day Thursday.

The increase in the discount rate is just one of several moves the Fed is taking to reverse its unprecedented easing of monetary policy, but it is perhaps the most visible action taken so far.

“The timing of it caught people by surprise and, from that perspective, a bit flat-flooted,” says Craig Peckham, equity trading strategist at Jefferies & Co. “But as people have had an opportunity to digest this, I think they realize … it’s part of a very, very careful, and very, very well choreographed move to more normal relationships in monetary policy.”

Still, the move was widely seen as a key step in the central bank’s move toward raising interest rates more broadly.

And while the Fed reiterated on Thursday that its federal funds rate will remain at “exceptionally low levels” for “an extended period,” many appeared to look beyond that statement.

“The perception is that this is an acceleration of the Fed’s exit strategy,” said Ian Lyngen of CRT Capital.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-19 01:16:42

Gollum’s evil business plan:

1) Make an investment whose seeds of instability will grow into a tree of future financial destruction.

2) Place a side bet which pays off handsomely when the tree of destruction bears its poisonous fruit.

Gollum lies; they work for the Devil, not for God.

Goldman Sachs Shorted Greek Debt After It Arranged Those Shady Swaps
February 18, 2010 - 2:42 pm

Goldman Sachs arranged swaps that effectively allowed Greece to borrow 1 billion euros without adding to its official public debt. While it arranged the swaps, Goldman also sought to buy insurance on Greek debt and engage in other trades to protect itself against the risk of a default on those swaps. Eventually, Goldman sold the swaps to the national bank of Greece.

Despite its role in creating swaps that may have allowed the Greek government to mask its growing debts, Goldman has no net exposure to a default on Greek debt, a person familiar with the matter says.

Goldman is “flat” when it comes to Greece, the person says. Which is to say, its long and short exposure to a potential Greek default are in balance.

In light of this combination of arranging structured financing while shorting the customer’s debt, Goldman may find itself in a familiarly uncomfortable public light. Goldman has come under a barrage of criticism for structuring mortgage-backed securities while its traders shorted that market. As a result of those short trades, Goldman lost far less money than its rivals when the U.S. housing market imploded.

Something similar is at work here and the criticism will likely follow along the same track. Goldman was uniquely well-positioned to understand that Greek debt service obligations were higher than they would have appeared just by looking at its official debt levels, making Greece a riskier credit. This knowledge may have allowed Goldman to acquire credit protection on the trades on the cheap.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-19 01:19:28

* Business
* Goldman Sachs

Goldman Sachs faces scrutiny over Greek debt swap

Greek currency deal with Goldman helped to disguise scale of debts

* Elena Moya
* guardian dot co dot uk, Thursday 18 February 2010 16.01 GMT
* Article history

Greece’s finance minister George Papaconstantinou at an EU finance ministers meeting this week. Photograph: Sebastien Pirlet/Reuters

European leaders have criticised Goldman Sachs and other investment banks following allegations that they helped Greece to disguise the true scale of its debts over several years.

“It’s a scandal if it turned out that the same banks that brought us to the brink of the abyss helped to fake the statistics,” Germany’s chancellor Angela Merkel said in a speech at a conference in Germany last night.

Eurostat, the European Union’s statistical office, has already asked Greece to clarify the use of some derivatives contracts set up from 2001 with banks including Goldman Sachs. Greek officials and banking sources claim those contracts were legal until Eurostat stopped accepting them a few years later.

Countries that borrow money in foreign markets, such as Japan or the US, usually sign derivatives contracts to fix the value of the exchange rate at a point in the future, in order to avoid losing money if the currency of the country where the money is borrowed strengthens.

But in this case, bankers have claimed that Greece set an artificially low exchange rate, which meant the amount of debt it was taking on appeared lower. Goldman would hand Greece the difference upfront, to compensate for the loss. This money, which resembled a loan rather than a bond, would therefore not count as public debt.

Goldman Sachs has declined to comment on this issue. Today Yesterday Christine Lagarde, France’s finance minister, said Eurostat should examine the issue closely.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-19 01:22:52

Is this a surprise move to counter the Chinese central banks’ surprise tightening move last week?

The Financial Times
Fed to lift discount rate as ‘exit’ begins

By Tom Braithwaite in Washington and Michael Mackenzie in New York

Published: February 18 2010 21:34 | Last updated: February 19 2010 05:34

The US Federal Reserve announced on Thursday that it would raise the discount rate at which commercial banks borrow from the central bank as part of moves to withdraw emergency support to the financial system.

As the Fed fought the incipient financial crisis in August 2007, it cut the discount rate in one of its first moves to help liquidity in the financial system and lengthened the loan maturity to a maximum of 30 days.

The discount rate will be increased on Friday from 0.5 per cent to 0.75 per cent, moving the spread over the main federal funds rate to a more normal level. The length of loans will also be returned to a maximum of overnight.

The Fed stressed on Thursday that the changes “do not signal any change in the outlook for the economy or for monetary policy” and they had been anticipated after comments from Fed board members and this week’s publication of minutes from the interest rate-setting committee.

Aaron Kohli, strategist at RBS Securities, said: “This is more a case of normalisation, rather than a precursor to a change in monetary policy.”

It was still enough to move markets, with Treasuries declining and the dollar gaining ground over other major currencies, with the euro down 0.5 per cent below $1.36.

EDITOR’S CHOICE
FT Alphaville: Did the discount rate hike leak? - Feb-18
Money Supply: Fed increases discount rate - Feb-18
Treasuries fall as Fed lifts bank discount rate - Feb-18
Lone voice warns of debt threat to Fed - Feb-16
Fed strategy to rein in stimulus measures - Feb-11
US producer prices jump on energy costs - Feb-18

 
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