February 21, 2010

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Comment by Michael Fink
2010-02-21 05:55:24

(Totally OT)

Ugh.. Avatar up for best picture against Hurt Locker.

My faith in humanity is about to be tested. I haven’t seen Hurt Locker yet, but assuming it’s not a high school film project recorded on 8MM, it’s probably going to be more enjoyable than Avatar.

How can people; who’s JOB it is to critique movies, not deliver an accurate opinion on these blockbusters. Titanic was the same thing (although a much better movie), it certainly did not belong anywhere near best picture. It’s like they have to select the blockbusters, regardless if they are actually good movies or not.

(Back OT)

Oh well.. On another note, West Palm opened their waterfront this weekend.

http://tinyurl.com/ydtodqb

I wonder if this will come to be known as Lois’s (the Mayor) folly? Yes, it’s a good idea in concept. So is having one Ferrari for every day of the week. However, it’s too expensive, which is why most people would have left well enough alone, especially as the bottom falls out of the tax revenues for all the districts in FL. It’s going to be interesting, that’s for sure. I can be pretty sure that people are going to be wishing they didn’t spend that money a few years from now.

Comment by Joe Lawyer
2010-02-21 08:38:47

Avatar is a great movie in 3D. The technology is the star.

Comment by Michael Fink
2010-02-21 09:18:15

Is that what the Oscars are now? Something more akin to the “best technology” award? Will Steve Jobs/Bill Gates be getting Oscars soon for Leopard and Win 7?

I’m sorry, a movie, to me, is an emotional/dramatic experience, not a show of technology. If I want to see tech, I’ll play WoW or COD on my computer, not watch a bad movie with good 3D cut scenes.

The Matrix had high end tech and was a good movie. I’m not at all a “purist” that believes tech doesn’t belong at all in movies, I think it’s great and can really add to a story and make the movie better. But tech in a bad movie does nothing to increase (IMHO) it’s chances of winning awards; it doesn’t take a bad movie and make it good.

I mean, come on.. When the “tree attack” scene was going on my jaw just hit the floor. It’s like I was watching something designed for a 3 year old. The Smurfs have a more subtle and nuanced storyline! :)

I’m sorry (to Ben, and the other posters) to harp on this movie, but, it really says something to me about this country when we’ve gone from films like “The Godfather” to films like “Avatar” and “Titanic” winning awards. Is this country really not able to take in and understand a movie with real character development and interesting storyline?

I see this as the latest evidence of us becoming more and more like “Idiocracy”, it’s like we’re becoming dumber from all this technology, not smarter!

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 09:29:16

+10,000 on this.

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Comment by polly
2010-02-21 09:32:05

You did notice that they doubled the number of best picture nominees this year, didn’t you? It was done specifically done to make sure that more blockbusters got in. They did that to try to get more people to watch the ceremony, assuming that folks would be more likely to watch if a few movies they had actually seen were up for awards.

It really isn’t an indication of the downfall of society. It is a money decision by the Academy. It might work to get the audience up too. It certainly seems like a good enough guess to try for a year or two. Doesn’t mean that the blockbusters will win.

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2010-02-21 09:37:53

It does, however, dilute the value of a nomination. Sometimes I made decisions to rent a movie on the basis of it receiving nominations. Now that signal might be lessened.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 09:41:31

Expect a HUGE announcement in the future that they are going back to the “CLASSIC” format.

The whole game of manipulation is ludicrous to the point of imbecility.

Are you seriously telling me that ludicrous Sandra Bullock movie that was nominated is in the same class as Annie Hall or Network or All About Eve?

Gimme a break!

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-21 10:38:24

When I think of great actresses the first name that comes to mind is Sandra Bullock. She is just wonderful.

Excuse me for a moment as I run like hell from the coming lightning strike.

 
Comment by Michael Fink
2010-02-21 10:40:39

NYC..

I can’t breathe I’m laughing so hard… Tears are streaming down….

Too funny.

When I think great actor, I think the first name that comes to mind is… Either Pauly Shore or Will Farrell. Both of them deserve an Oscar every year just for being alive.

:)

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 11:23:29

You guys are too funny! :)

 
Comment by packman
2010-02-21 14:08:52

Sometimes I made decisions to rent a movie on the basis of it receiving nominations.

That’s exactly why they increased the number of nominations. I.e., more $$.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-02-21 09:42:48

I’m sorry ??

No need to be sorry…Ben gives broad leeway in the Bits Bucket….

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Comment by Michael Fink
2010-02-21 10:34:00

Thank God.. I would have been struck down long about by the lords of the blog were not for the broad leeway afforded us in the Bits Bucket. :)

I find this blog is a great place to talk to other intelligent people and debate topics far and wide. It’s unfortunately kind of hard to find people like that in my everyday life, so this blog serves that purpose for me. Be it movies, politics, finances, etc; there always seems to be someone on here who will debate the issues and have intelligent comments/points about the topic at hand.

It’s very refreshing, even if I’ve been on the wrong side of several blog “smackdowns”, it’s fun to talk/debate/argue with other intelligent people.

 
 
Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 09:58:53

100,000+

I haven’t seen Avatar and have no intention of seeing it. I saw 5-10 minutes of Titantic on cable, thought it retarded, and turned it off.

I did see Hurt Locker. Good film. There’s some scenes in the middle of it (out in the open, involving a car) that will make the hair stand on the back of your neck.

Best movie I saw this year was about a brother and sister trying to flee Guatamala in favor of the USA. They rode the tops of trains. I don’t remember the name of it, unfortunately. An update of El Norte in some ways, but essentially a movie all its own.

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Comment by Watching and Waiting
2010-02-21 11:06:45

Perhaps you are referring to Sin Nombre? If so, I agree, it was a wonderful movie. Which 99% of Americans will never see, recognize, or have exposure to.

 
Comment by shizo
2010-02-22 00:32:19

instant stream on netflix…

 
 
Comment by ACH
2010-02-21 10:01:00

I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t like the Hurt Locker, either. It was a COD video game as a movie. Remember DOOM? My 12 year old loved DOOM.

Parts of Avatar were good and so were parts of Hurt Locker. Still, they were bad movies. No plot. No character build up. Very 2 dimensional.

Full Metal Jacket and Matrix are comparisons that make the cut as top flight movies. (Note: I’ve never heard of a DI getting shot on PI. Maybe somewhere, sometime, it happened. USMC? No. )

I just didn’t care about the characters in Avatar or Hurt Locker. Both movies didn’t “ring true” or speak to me in any real way.

I’m getting more into foreign films these days. They seem much better than they used to be even with subtitles.

Roidy

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Comment by Michael Fink
2010-02-21 10:17:12

Great! That’s what I get for opening my mouth before I’ve seen the movie I’m comparing it to. However, even with your review, I’m pretty sure I will like Hurt Locker better; I haven’t seen a movie in a long time that I disliked as much as Avatar (mostly because it was so hyped, I had very, very high expectations from people telling me how it “Changed their lives” seeing the film).

FMJ is a tremendous movie, I wouldn’t expect Hurt Locker to live up to that (or Platoon, or Deer Hunter) standards.. I’m not sure why; there’s no reason that a new movie couldn’t live up to those standards, I just try not to get my hopes up as high anymore. It seems that most of the blockbuster movies that come out anymore are really like mental junk food; they just aren’t very good. The new X-Men movie was so-so, as was the new Transformers movie (both blockbusters).. But, frankly, I expected much, much more from Avatar, especially since I had heard all the “Oscar” talk about this movie before I saw it. That said, I would rate both of those films far above Avatar; which isn’t saying much, since none of the three all that good.

There have been some tremendous movies that have come out in the past few years, it just seems like people (especially the critics) are unable to rate them accurately. The Departed is a great movie, and got critical acclaim, but, then again.. So did Avatar… :)

Frankly, there doesn’t seem to be many good movies released each year anymore (and I’ve seem most of the classics); I’ve really branched out to TV shows to fill the gap. I just started watching Breaking Bad, that seems pretty good so far. Brotherhood, The Wire, Sopranos (of course)… These are, in general, excellent examples of movie making excellence.

Just doesn’t seem like the movie folks do it as much anymore.. Thankfully, we have some great series to take up the slack!

 
Comment by Muggy
2010-02-21 11:20:35

Deer Hunter has stuck with me for a long time.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-02-21 17:56:57

Apocalypse Now, Full Metal Jacket, and Platoon. I like movies that take me away from it all. Not necessarily high tech movies.

Star Wars was a mold breaker when it came out in 1977, the year I graduated from high school. I did not watch Avatar, but I am thinking it’s probably the Star Wars of 2010. Probably a foolish movie as suggested above.

I agree about “The Matrix.” I put that near the top of my favorites, along with related genres “The Thirteenth Floor,” and “Dark City.”

 
 
Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2010-02-21 10:02:11

I went to a movie theatre for first time in 15 years. Did you know tickets are now $10? I remember $3. Anywho, we saw Sherlock Holmes. Story and acting were marginal, but clearly the focus of the director/producer was on effects, both sound and visual. People just love it all - actually sitting through the end credits like zombies, cause the end credits too had fancy effects. Ironic is that with all the advanced surround sound and low heart jumping boom sounds and high trebled hisses - I, as well as my movie partner had issues understanding some of dialogue. Director was more focused on overall production effects than ensuring all dialogue could be clearly heard. Thumbs down for this growing trend.

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Comment by Michael Fink
2010-02-21 10:28:41

I blame the Matrix for all of this. The Matrix, a total barnburner blockbuster, had great special effects (and a really cool story to go with it).

Movie people saw the effects in the Matrix and thought to themselves.. “We can do that too”. And they did.. There’s been hundreds of movies released since then with great special effects.. What they forgot to do was put the story into the movie. It’s become an effects extravaganza with little/no thought given to the plot/acting/script/cinematography/etc. The Matrix made a killing, and, instead of focusing on why it’s a good movie (plot/story/concept) they focused on the effects and try to replicate (sometime successfully, ala Avatar) it’s incredible earning power.

I hope this trend goes the way of the Dodo.. I’d give up all the effects to have better acting/stories/etc, that’s what makes the movie; not 100M dollars on CGI.

What I find interesting is that the pinnacle of CGI, animated films, seem to have figured this out. Most of animated features I’ve seen recently (notably Rattatuite) have a good story, good voice acting, and; overall, are good movies. There are many examples of this; because, IMHO, they’ve gotten the technology to the point where they can do ANYTHING in an animated feature (and make it look lifelike). So now, once again, they have to concentrate on the story and the plot. And they’ve cranked out some really top shelf entertainment in the past 10 years as a result.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-02-21 10:52:51

Anywho, we saw Sherlock Holmes. Story and acting were marginal, but clearly the focus of the director/producer was on effects, both sound and visual.

I’d rather watch Jeremy Brett portray Sherlock any day.

 
Comment by bink
2010-02-21 12:43:04

And yet the guys who wrote the Matrix completely forgot how to write a decent script in-between it and the sequels.

 
Comment by packman
2010-02-21 14:12:12

I blame the Matrix for all of this. The Matrix, a total barnburner blockbuster, had great special effects (and a really cool story to go with it).

The don’t blame Matrix, blame Terminator II, which came long before it but was also a blockbuster because of its effects.

 
Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-02-21 15:50:24

Actually James Cameron was always into effects. Don’t you remember “The Abyss”? It was made in 1989. Actually the storyline is not that different than “Avatar”.

 
Comment by packman
2010-02-21 19:40:38

Yeah. The Abyss though wasn’t that much of a blockbuster. T2 took that same technology way further down the road and very much was a blockbuster. It won all kinds of academy awards for affects, but wasn’t nominated for best picture - something that should be true for this genre of films, including Avatar.

(At least from what I hear - I haven’t seen it.)

 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-21 11:05:48

If it makes you feel any better, I read somewhere that so many special-effect heavy blow-em-up movies are being made precisely because they sell so well overseas (though clearly there’s no shortage of stateside boobs who are also thrilled by them).

Apparently the idiocracy is worldwide.

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Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-21 16:23:50

I heard intricate dialogue is more difficult to sell cross culturally, somebody getting kicked under the table or blown up is univeral.

also teenagers spend a huge portion of the movie theater dollar.
that explains a lot too.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2010-02-21 17:10:51

intricate dialogue is more difficult to sell cross culturally

Right. I remember one night in Germany watching on tv a stupid B-grade pirate movie with Geena Davis as a lady pirate, dubbed in German. It was violent and had a hackneyed plot, but I ended up watching it because it was the only show that I could understand since I (regrettably) don’t know German. Sword fights, swinging from rigging, cannonballs, gunshot wounds, man overboard, quicksand scene, etc - no problem. But an un-subtitled German-language show with a nuanced plot and clever dialogue? - no way.

 
 
Comment by Bronco
2010-02-21 12:00:34

“Up in the Air” is another crappy, predicable hollywood movie that made the list.

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Comment by SUGuy
2010-02-21 12:35:07

Listen to the songs, look at the art and watch the films being made these days and it says a lot about the new American generation in mho

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Comment by jessman
2010-02-21 14:34:17

You’re not going to get a “Godfather” every year…or even every 5 years. In fact, there’s only been one “Godfather” since “The Godfather” and that was “The Godfather 2″.

You can’t compare every nominated film to “The Godfather”.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-02-21 12:08:02

Lord of the Rings rule for me.

Comment by ACH
2010-02-21 12:20:42

Yes. I liked those well enough. Good movie crafting is good movie crafting. I just sat through the “Muscles from Brussles” (Jean-Claude Van Damme) movie Hard Target.

Now, let me get this straight, that movie was shown on a show titled “Movies that don’t suck”.

You just can’t make stuff like this up.

Roidy

Comment by hip in zilker
2010-02-21 13:42:24

I like J-C Van Damme movies, although I think the only ones I’ve seen have been while traveling around Yemen in “video-buses,” probably chewing qat.

Other popular video-bus fare: Terminator, Jackie Chan, American professional wrestling, Egyptian comedies starring Adil Imam.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-02-21 15:53:46

“Lord of the Rings rule for me.”

Me too SFA Girl and Ian McClellan rules.

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-02-21 20:09:18

I have to add Alien, Aliens, and Blade Runner

Comment by waiting_in_la
2010-02-22 00:30:03

My bread and butter is the vfx industry, so my opinions are a bit biased. I won’t even share them. :)

Hey, isn’t this blog supposed to be about housing? (j/k)

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Comment by talon
2010-02-21 13:23:07

MSM film critics are largely shills for the industry, which explains why even the lamest excuse for a movie can get at least a few of those guys to proclaim “Easily the best movie of the year!!!” Avatar may or may not be a good film (I have no intention of seeing it since that sort of movie isn’t my thing), but, given the director, subject, and technology involved, it was guaranteed box office and guaranteed raves from the usual suspect reviewers. There are decent critics–you just have to look for them in more offbeat places (J. Hoberman and others in the Village Voice come to mind).

I found Hurt Locker unwatchable, not because of its subject material, but because of the annoying and utterly distracting jerky, hand-held cinematography. I absolutely cannot watch that stuff, and really wish directors would just get over it already.

Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-21 16:52:23

For anything made this year, AVATAR RULES. I liked it, and we were even laughing about how they’re related Smurfs. Jeremy Brett was brilliant, and I was extremely saddened by his untimely death. In the last of the Sherlock Holmes episodes he made, you can see how ill he was.

LOTR RULES, along with The Godfather.

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-21 06:14:52

The New Poor ~ NYT ~ 2-20-10
Millions of Unemployed Face Years Without Jobs

BUENA PARK, Calif. — Even as the American economy shows tentative signs of a rebound, the human toll of the recession continues to mount, with millions of Americans remaining out of work, out of savings and nearing the end of their unemployment benefits.

“There are no bad jobs now. Any job is a good job,” said Jean Eisen, who became unemployed more than two years ago.

Economists fear that the nascent recovery will leave more people behind than in past recessions, failing to create jobs in sufficient numbers to absorb the record-setting ranks of the long-term unemployed.

Call them the new poor: people long accustomed to the comforts of middle-class life who are now relying on public assistance for the first time in their lives — potentially for years to come.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-21 06:36:54

I was out last night. I talked to a couple of our waitress friends at one of our regular spots. Of course the economy came up, even though I didn’t mention it. Our friend told us that even restaurant jobs in NYC are hard to come by. They used to be a dime a dozen.

Where is this recovery that Obama keeps harping about? I guess he meant the recovery for his “savvy” business friends such as Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein. Everybody else can shove off as far as O is concerned. If you can’t help him maintain power you don’t really matter.

Comment by combotechie
2010-02-21 06:59:25

“Where is this recovery that Obama keeps harping about?”

This is a spreadsheet-recovery, brought to us by quants.

Quants mistake modeled reality for actual reality. They use such things as birth-death models instead of actual counts.

Anyone can count, not everyone can create a model. It takes a room full of phds to formulate a model. A room full of phds can’t all be wrong, thus the model can’t be wrong.

Hence the recovery is well on its way.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-21 07:09:47

“This is a spreadsheet-recovery”

I agree. They are sure spreading a lot of bullsheet to the masses. That is what they call “a recovery”.

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Comment by polly
2010-02-21 07:21:12

“Recovery” doesn’t mean things are good. All the economists mean by recovery is that GDP isn’t still getting smaller. If you want recovery to mean that things are as good as they were 2 years ago, you will wait a very, very long time. Of course, I would dispute the idea that things were good two years ago since that prosperity was bubble based and it feels good, but isn’t real and it creates twisted expectations. And I would also remind people that the last recession ended in early 2002 or something like that, right? Well I didn’t even get laid off (was a direct result of that recession) until early 2003 and as late as the end of 2004 the only jobs around were with hedge funds and therefore really part of the next bubble.

Oh, and I also dispute the idea that the recession is really over because I think we are just in a localized bump up. The state govenors are in DC this weekend. They are predicting dire situations in their states. I’d say they are being overly optimistic.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-02-21 07:24:33

Along with the model comes an “explain-away” feature.
Facts that don’t fit the model are explained away.

A layman may think that if enough facts don’t fit the model then there must be something wrong with the model.

This is primitive reasoning which needs to be stomped out whenever it presents itself, and any malcontent that presents such reasoning should be taken out and shot.

Team players only need apply.

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-02-21 07:37:50

Yes Polly, I’d love to be a fly on the wall at that governors’ meeting! From my vantage point in IL our pols appear to be acting like deer caught in the headlights. If I had to guess, I’d say they are reflexively counting on Uncle Sugar - again!

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-21 07:41:33

““Recovery” doesn’t mean things are good. All the economists mean by recovery is that GDP isn’t still getting smaller.”

How I love semantics and nuance. I would call this “bullsheet” time and time again. That is what they are spreading. It is pure bullsheet.

We are never going back to 2006. We are going back to the 1970s. I keep telling people that. I don’t think they understand just how unsustainable our standard of living is.

I wish I still had my Planet of the Apes lunch box with the little thermos. Maybe my sister still has her Partridge Family lunch box. That thing was groovy as all get out.

 
Comment by Groundhogday
2010-02-21 07:42:26

Actually most of the economists who know what they are talking about have predicted this exactly scenario. GDP>0 isn’t enough to reduce unemployment. Our population and labor force is still growing. GDP needs to be substantially about zero to start reducing unemployment and given the numbers we would need 5% growth at a minimum for years to bring it down to normal levels. REally we need >5% growth to get an employment recovery in a reasonable time. Krugman and DeLong have both written about this for some time.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 08:15:34

“I would dispute the idea that things were good two years ago since that prosperity was bubble based and it feels good, but isn’t real and it creates twisted”

Twisted…close I’d say, perhaps more like “grotesquely distorted” but I digress, …never fear, in Nov 2010 the “TrueAnger™” PeeParty tea toadlers will put their nose rings on for the repubican “TrueBeliever’s™ / TrueDeceiver’s™” and call for making “permanent” the Cheney-Shrub tax cuts for the truly wealthy, and in a flash, faster than you can say Palin/Jeb… all those “lost” real estate & construction jobs (how many?) will be made whole with brand new jobs.
Moreover, “TrueGridLok™” will be vanquished with “TruePurity™” and uniting lokstep with New Twit’s modified version II of “Contract-for-select-Americans” the ‘Do Nothing’s” will become the “TruePatriot’s™” and the Nation will once again be gloriously robust & prosperity will bathe the land of “milk & honey”…(My view is that it’ll only take about 5-9 months after the Mid-Terms 2010 for this new reality to manifest itself…)

Oh, I did I mention how the Democrapts will stop scratching at the mange on theirs backs and suddenly realize that nobody wants or needs “health care” reform…they’ll have to simply “trust” the GOP to know what’s best for “everyone” and simply modify all that “hard bi-partisan work” they’ve tried to implement in the last 18 years.

Maybe I have a different version after my first cup of joe… :-)

 
Comment by reuven
2010-02-21 08:34:44

. If you want recovery to mean that things are as good as they were 2 years ago, you will wait a very, very long time.

How many “jobs” were related to the business of selling houses to each other? Add in the first level of indirection (selling cars to people who borrowed against the houses they’re selling to each other), and you get a picture of jobs that will NEVER come back…at least until the next bubble.

40% of cars in 2007 were financed with home-equity loans. Imaginary money! It’s no surprise that the car companies fell like rocks when the bubble burst.

 
Comment by mikey
2010-02-21 08:54:48

“We are never going back to 2006. We are going back to the 1970s. I keep telling people that. I don’t think they understand just how unsustainable our standard of living is”

Digs out my hobo clothes, updates my songs and starts singing bum songs.

“…Maybe I’m right, maybe I’m wrong
Lawd you gonna miss me when I’m gone
Oh the GM Line is a mighty fine line
Oh the GM Line is the road to ride
If you want to ride, you gotta ride it like you’re flyin’
Get your ticket at the station on the GM Line”

:)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 09:48:42

Brother, Can You Spare a Dime?

Hear five versions of the song, including one by lyricist Yip Harburg himself.

They used to tell me I was building a dream
And so I followed the mob
When there was earth to plow or guns to bear
I was always there right on the job

They used to tell me I was building a dream
With peace and glory ahead
Why should I be standing in line
Just waiting for bread?

Once I built a railroad, I made it run
Made it race against time
Once I built a railroad, now it’s done
Brother, can you spare a dime?

Once I built a tower up to the sun
Brick and rivet and lime
Once I built a tower, now it’s done
Brother, can you spare a dime?

Once in khaki suits, gee we looked swell
Full of that Yankee-Doodly-dum
Half a million boots went sloggin’ through Hell
And I was the kid with the drum

Say, don’t you remember, they called me “Al”
It was “Al” all the time
Why don’t you remember, I’m your pal
Say buddy, can you spare a dime?

Once in khaki suits, ah gee we looked swell
Full of that Yankee-Doodly-dum
Half a million boots went sloggin’ through Hell
And I was the kid with the drum

Oh, say, don’t you remember, they called me “Al”
It was “Al” all the time
Say, don’t you remember, I’m your pal
Buddy, can you spare a dime?

 
Comment by scdave
2010-02-21 10:03:58

unsustainable our standard of living is ??

You mean “was” don’t you ??

 
Comment by mikey
2010-02-21 10:26:03

“If everybody gave,
then we could save,
the Rock Island Line”

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-02-21 11:09:48

We are never going back to 2006. We are going back to the 1970s. I keep telling people that. I don’t think they understand just how unsustainable our standard of living is.

Folding chain restaurants will be leading indicator of the “new normal”. A coworker told me that she went out on valentines with her husband and the restaurant was half empty (in Ft. Collins).

40% of cars in 2007 were financed with home-equity loans. Imaginary money! It’s no surprise that the car companies fell like rocks when the bubble burst.

LOL! Isn’t than about how much car sales fell after the bubble burst?

unsustainable our standard of living is ??

You mean “was” don’t you ??

Thousands of half empty chain restaurants can’t be wrong!

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 13:32:13

I keep hearing that number……. “40% off the 2008 high”.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 23:52:01

True Confession: Until I looked up the lyrics, I always assumed this song was a literal description of the SoCal climate…

Albert Hammond -
It Never Rains In Southern California

Got on board a westbound seven forty seven
Didn’t think before deciding what to do
Ooh, that talk of opportunities, TV breaks and movies
Rang true, sure rang true

Seems it never rains in southern California
Seems I’ve often heard that kind of talk before
It never rains in California, but girl don’t they warn ya
It pours, man it pours

Out of work, I’m out of my head
Out of self respect, I’m out of bread
I’m underloved, I’m underfed, I wanna go home
It never rains in California, but girl don’t they warn ya
It pours, man it pours

Will you tell the folks back home I nearly made it
Had offers but don’t know which one to take
Please don’t tell ‘em how you found me
Don’t tell ‘em how you found me
Gimme a break, give me a break

 
 
Comment by denquiry
2010-02-21 08:24:46

How many phd’s does it take to model “walking away”?

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Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-21 08:42:28

Tracy Calif.
now charging $300 for emergency responders

More people are going to mive to Grissley Bear’s model of life—-pretend it’s 1850. (maybe it wasn’t Grisslry, it may have been me, but I hate to misquote myself)

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-21 13:32:10

Quants mistake modeled reality for actual reality. They use such things as birth-death models instead of actual counts.

Well that clears things up. I thought they were talking about ‘taints.’

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 15:36:10

They would have more credibility if they were. :lol:

 
 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2010-02-21 16:14:00

If you look at Fair Isaac and the credit scoring system, everything is done by “models” and people who think they’re so smart. This will humble them.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-02-21 07:09:31

I noticed on Greenpoint ave 4 businesses that have been closed for over a year one almost 2 …are getting a facial renovation, 2 fairly large places one was a 99 cent type store the other a Spanish nightclub…still no one moving in but at least its not an eyesore anymore….green shoots, or BID (business improvement district money?)

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-02-21 08:12:06

Down the block from me a building underwent an extensive renovation and the proposed restaurant to occupy it hasn’t opened for five years! In that halycon summer of 2005 I photographed my neighborhood, there was so much going on - and even more planned. Now it’s 2010 and things have been stagnant with a slight downward trend (for now). Proposed condo towers that enraged my neighbors into organized resistance four summers ago - remain empty lots. Those that were built are dark at night.

The pace of this event has been so strange, that I’m awestruck at how long it’s been since things really peaked.

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Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 08:26:07

Where exactly are you at anyway? Broadway & Bryn Mawr?

 
Comment by Rancher
2010-02-21 08:28:18

In one month, three restaurants have closed
and a few more dark windows on the main
drag. People actually are talking about the
economy rather than whispering behind
their hands. I drive around the town and see
more and more empty houses and yet the city
keeps spending. It’s going to catch up with
them soon.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-02-21 10:08:11

Rancher…I am sitting in Pismo Beach right now with one of your neighbors from Grants Pass..He tells me things are getting worse…

 
Comment by Andrew
2010-02-21 11:19:23

Ditto Edgewater John, as I was thinking the same thing just yesterday how long it has been since the “peak” (05-06) in my neck of the woods (Eastbay SF).
And it does seen strange.

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-02-21 12:12:47

Our dollar store closed in the city I live.

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Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-21 16:57:32

Strangely, the flipped house that I thought was over-renovated and should have been kept as it was and used as a rental, and which has been empty for 2 1/2 years, is now occupied. I don’t know whether the owners finally rented it out, or sold it. We have far fewer houses for sale in our neighborhood than there were in 2008. I don’t get it.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 09:17:30

Restauranteurship is always a challenging occupation, and the Great Recession has definitely upped the ante by a considerable amount. And failing small businesses don’t qualify for too-big-to-fail bailouts, either.

Business
NORTH COUNTY
Ex-Padre Finley strikes out as restaurateur
Deals to sell collapse; bankruptcy declared

By Tanya Mannes, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Sunday, February 21, 2010 at 12:01 a.m.

DEL MAR — As former Padre Steve Finley struggled to keep his upscale, coastal North County Flight Restaurant afloat last year, he handed out paychecks that ended up bouncing.

But even after Flight Restaurant shut down in mid-August, the retired outfielder repeatedly assured his workers that they would soon be paid.

That never happened, as deal after deal fell through to sell the restaurant, which anchors a small commercial complex on Via de la Valle about three miles east of the Del Mar Fairgrounds.

In January, Finley filed for bankruptcy on behalf of BRG Restaurant Group LLC, the company that owned Flight, formerly called Pasquale Del Mar.

In an interview Friday, Finley said he still wants to pay the employees what they’re owed. The business ran out of money because of management problems and the tough economy, he said. He became the manager of the restaurant by default during a transition and never wanted to be in charge, he said.

“We have done our best in a horrible situation to try to rectify this situation,” Finley said. “I had to open up my bank account to put more money into it to pay rent, payroll, and eventually it was too much.”

Many restaurants have failed or cut back on help in the past year. According to the latest state labor statistics, San Diego County lost 2,200 jobs in full-service restaurants during the most recent 12-month reporting period, a 4 percent reduction.

 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-02-21 07:34:34

“There are no bad jobs now. Any job is a good job,” said Jean Eisen, who became unemployed more than two years ago.

but….

[G]enerations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on Earth. This was the moment - this was the time - when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves, and our highest ideals.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-21 08:03:03

Or we will tell them that this was the time that the banking oligarchs, led by Goldman Sachs and The Federal Reserve, finally were able to rob every last nickel from the country.

I hope you are right but just look at what we have in the White House to defend us. He is writing love poems about Jamie and Lloyd and I am supposed to be optimistic?

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-02-21 08:32:53

[G]enerations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless;

Obama’s Nomination Victory Speech In St. Paul June 3, 2008.

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-02-21 08:33:23

Good job Jeff. Sarcasm is best delivered with a stiletto and not a bludgeon.

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-02-21 09:24:08

Bwaaa…haaaa..haaa………..haaaaa!!!

The “savior” of the world has spoken. He is healing our planet.
The sad part is the Dem’s are still working behind closed doors (the most transparent administration ever) to bring us federal government imposed health regulations and taxes, CAP and Trade on Carbon emissions, and other great Marxist programs.

Do you remember Acid Rain? It was destroying all the forests in the world and we would all die by the year 2000. How about the Global Cooling of the 70’s? The carbon and particulate pollution was creating a shield from the sun and the the world would freeze over within a generation.
How about the OZONE DEPLETION? The outer atmosphere was going to disappear and the sun would cook us all. FREON (when Dupont was losing its worldwide patents) was the culprit, along with all aerosole sprays. For those of you who don’t know, Ozone is created in massive amounts by sunlight hitting the oceans.
We have been “doomed” countless times in my lifetime by “climate” problems that have yet to occur. I am still waiting for the water levels in my back yard to rise just a few inches so i can get my boat over the flats without hitting bottom.
I’ve been waiting 20 years. Now, President Dunce with his collection of academic clowns is working diligently with other “scientists” to save the planet. Exposed as frauds, the left just can’t stop the madness. They need to have more regulations to control the world. It’s all about money and power. Nothing more.
I hope we get more snowstorms in Washington to shut it down again. The less “work” they can get done, the better I feel.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-21 10:42:05

“I’ve been waiting 20 years. Now, President Dunce with his collection of academic clowns is working diligently with other “scientists” to save the planet. Exposed as frauds, the left just can’t stop the madness. They need to have more regulations to control the world. It’s all about money and power.”

I absolutely adore your anger!

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-21 11:49:03

“Do you remember Acid Rain”

Yes. It was and is a real phenomenon, proven beyond any reasonable scientific doubt, that was dealt with in the US rather successfully through environmental regulation and a (*gasp*) cap-and-trade system.

“How about the OZONE DEPLETION?”

Another real phenomenon, also proven beyond any reasonable scientific doubt, that was dealt with rather successfully through environmental regulation (ie a worldwide ban on producing CFCs.)

And BTW, the ozone produced by “sunlight hitting the oceans” has nothing to do with the ozone in the ozone layer. A fact readily available to anyone with any interest in the subject, or at least an interest beyond ignorantly assuring everybody that ‘them stoopid expurts are rong bout evurthing’.

Careful, your Know-Nothingism is showing.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 15:50:07

Many civilizations, as well as species, have literally choked to death on their own excrement.

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Comment by jim
2010-02-22 09:07:54

Yep. I remember. And they passed regualtions and FIXED the problems. I still hear people bitching about not having CFCs in their air condtioner.

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Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 08:37:20

““There are no bad jobs now. Any job is a good job,” said Jean Eisen, who became unemployed more than two years ago.”

Poor, poor baby.

It took her just two years and a cut-off of federal “entitlement” giveaway money to realize that no job is “beneath” her.

Most people unemployed so long are unemployed by choice. “The available jobs aren’t good enough for me,” they wail. “I’m not about to do THAT!”

Perhaps Eisen should get a seasonable job cutting other people’s lawns for cash. Spring’s not too far away - people may also want someone to pull weeds. After all, the stress of planting and managing a prize-winning, socially responsible HGTV Victory Garden will be too much for many to handle. Break a nail? Touch a worm? God, no. Such work is for peons, not for the Sophisticated, Educated Man or Woman.

Then again, that job is undoubtedly beneath Eisen, too.

How about dog walking or poop collection?

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 13:22:58

I would argue that having a skilled machinist, electrician, or engineer waiting tables is a waste, any way you look at it. We’ve got hundreds of thousands of people in this position. Someone needs to realize that our high-buck public institutions (government,colleges, health care) can’t be supported if the private sector’s earnings continue to deteriorate.

The people that are in large part responsible for this mess, aren’t waiting on tables. They are in “Party on, Garth” mode.

By design or by accident, the Housing Bubble camoflaged the fact that our private sector job base and economy was being packed up and shipped overseas, never to return. this process started with low tech jobs like textiles, but is now continuing with our “crown jewels”, tech and aerospace.

For example: Embraer in Brazil……A company on government life-support for 30 years, until they are less than a decade away from possibly being the #3 manufacturer of business aircraft, and #1 or 2 in Regional airliners. So we now have Cessna and Bombardier shipping $15/hr sub-assembly jobs from Georgia and Kansas to Mexico, to remain “Price-competitive”.

If they care (and from all visible indications, they don’t) D.C. needs to get out of the Beltway, and see what’s happening in the districts they represent, instead of listening to lobbyists. Or someone to step up and admit that what they’ve been doing isn’t working.

From what I’m seeing, that headline will be right below the one that says, “Hell Freezes Over”.

Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 13:58:54

“I would argue that having a skilled machinist, electrician, or engineer waiting tables is a waste, any way you look at it.”

Says who? If that’s the job that society wants someone to fill, then that’s the job available. If society needs or wants skilled machinists or engineers, than those will be the jobs available.

(BTW, what is it among engineers that causes them to think they are more entitled to a job of their liking than anyone else? I’m tired of all the whining. It’s not as though engineers haven’t been directly responsible for eliminating millions of jobs for OTHER people.)

And, since when is waiting tables a waste? I say that sitting on your arse for 10-20 years at GM and pulling in $50K+ annually and having nebulous “taxpayers” pay for your years of non-productivity a much bigger waste (again, to OTHERS) than waiting on tables.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 15:00:42

Societies that “make/produce things” need those kinds of people.

Societies that value Bull$hit produce things like Wall Street, Hollywood, Realtors, Investment bankers, Economists, and Professional Sports teams.

My previous employer was into Hedge funds/Investment Banking……I can remember in 2007, when these so called experts were getting off the airplane, having made deals that will “guarantee our profits for the next 20 years, no matter what the economy does” ( a direct quote) ……while I’m getting out of the stock market entirely, because (thanks to some individuals on this blog) I became convinced that things were going to turn out badly for almost everyone.

Subsequent events have proved that I’m smarter than all this Ivy-League trained talent. Not that it has done me any good.

The problems started when you could make more money off B.S. than you could by actually making something. What followed was a massive missallocation of resourses

GM’s problems started when the finance guys started replacing the engineering and design types in the top corporate positions. Ford’s problems started to be fixed when they got an engineer as CEO. Boeing’s problems with the 787 are in part due to having financial types running thing, instead of guys who have actually designed airplanes for a living.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 15:56:38

Says who? Says the field of safety engineering , that’s who.

Them and the people who die from shoddy engineering. Which could easily be you.

People who worry about how to eat and pay bills aren’t really focused on doing quality work.

Reminds me of an old Oingo Boingo song: “Noting bad ever happens to me, so why should I care?”

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 15:59:30

BTW, you think 50K is a lot of money? REAL minimum wage (not “official bullcrap”) is $12hr.

Here’s the formula: $3.10 in 1980 at 4% compounded annually.

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-21 17:01:05

To me, $50-55K is a lot of money, yes. I would be grateful for it.

 
Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 17:57:55

$50k is 20% more than the average annual salary in the USA.

Hell, I’d LOVE to receive a $50K bump in income for doing absolutely nothing. Apparently $50k a year is chump change to you, ecofeco. Consequently, I can only assume that you are yet another Liberal Elitist. What’s $50k in unearned income, right?

As far as engineering goes, if you can’t find a job, then get one (or make one) producing WHAT IS LACKING IN THE MARKETPLACE. Or develop a new market.

Hint: They do NOT need aircraft; otherwise, there’d be great demand for aircraft. A friend of mine was a commercial aircraft mechanic in Chicago. He lost his job in 1991, EIGHTEEN YEARS AGO. He then found a similar job in Texas, then lost that one in 1994. He got out of the business entirely.

GSfixer, you’ve known for years that working on planes would be a dicey prospect at best. You’ve known LOTS of people that have left the industry over the years.

Why didn’t you get out of that business and do what most others do: get training in another, expanding industry.

Why aren’t you in nanotechnology? Nuclear medicine?

Because you don’t want to, that’s why. Obviously, there’s nothing wrong with that. But to whine about engineering jobs going overseas all the time simply isn’t true. Engineers are needed all over the country. Why else would we import them?

Engineers across the country seem to think they deserve job security and big money. Why? Most engineers are involved only in value-add products, such as GPS in cars. To me, and millions others like me, that’s worthless technology. I DON’T NEED OR WANT GPS. Nor do I want or need the latest piece of hand-held consumer electronic crap. WHAT I WANT I ALREADY HAVE, or can’t have.

Here’s what I want:

(1) I want 100 nuclear power plants built in the USA by 2030. Get that done, and start right away.

(2) I want the nuclear fission/fusion question solved and the products that result from that.

(3) Akin to #2, if #2 can’t be solved, I want high speed trains designed and constructed immediately.

(4) I want roads that last 20 years longer than they do presently.

(5) I want nanotechnology on the cheap. I want to see over-the-counter nanotechnology products that I can inject into myself by 2030.

(6) I want teeth that can be grown from DNA in a petri dish.

(7) I want an entirely new mode of transportation, one that solves the problem of jet lag, and one that isn’t deterred by inclement weather. The amount of time wasted in transit is incredible. Solve it. How about a tube system, where products and people are moved as in a vacuum tube used at banks? It’s a ludicrous thought only if you allow it to be.

You engineers need to create some industries rather than waste your time following the latest faddish nonsense crap. I hope you do, so I don’t have to listen to the endless whining (as if your industry is the only industry to see jobs move overseas).

Now, if you want something more practically immediate and less costly, how about this:

Rather than spend all this R&D time creating some worthless do-dad for a car, how about creating technology that allows cars to see IN FRONT OF SUVs, trucks, Jeeps, Hummers and other high-profile vehicles.

I’d like to be able to turn left at an intersection for once in my life without having to wait until the stoplight turns red. I’d also like to know whether the driver in front of me has a clue how to drive. (See, I like to view not the vehicle in front of me, but 3-4 vehicles ahead).

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-22 16:05:52

If you have ever actually worked in a factory, you would know they earn that money. Literally with their blood.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-21 06:25:25

Hopefully this jobs “creation” bill will fail to pass. Not that it makes much difference. The “it takes a village people” will come up with some mangled up mess that will not cure a thing. However it is 100% guaranteed to waste billions of digital dollars.

Job-creation bill could fail in Senate ~(Reuters)~ 2-21-10

WASHINGTON - A job-creation bill could be headed for defeat in the Senate next week, lawmakers and aides said on Friday, as key Republicans have withdrawn support for what was supposed to be a relatively noncontroversial measure.

The measure’s uncertain fate highlighted the partisan rancor that threatens even relatively modest measures like the jobs bill, which aims to reduce the nation’s 9.7 percent unemployment rate before the November congressional elections.

A defeat could be embarrassing for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who has struggled to hold his Democrats together on high-priority legislation like healthcare reform over the past year, and is sure to frustrate President Barack Obama, who has called for increased bipartisanship.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-21 06:34:42

We really have become the Soviet Union. Just look at the names we give these stupid bills. To call this a “jobs creation” bill is just stupid. This is a vote buying and pork giveaway bill.

The governmental apparatchiks are completely out of control. The machine is too big, too powerful and out of control.

I love the line in this article about “relatively modest measures”. Isn’t this a $15 billion bill? If that’s modesty I would hate to see what they consider extravagant.

Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-21 08:49:37

I think the misleading name changing started when the WAR DEPARTMENT’s name was changed to the Department of DEFENSE.

Comment by mikey
2010-02-21 10:36:31

The WAR DEPARTMENT is what I called my long gone Ex-wife.

:)

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 11:56:49

LOLOLOLOL!!!

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 13:27:21

I call mine something else:

“Rodan, the She-Bi#ch”

No, the divorce was not “amicable”……. :)

Her new hubby sent me a “thank you” note, for “letting her go”……I was thinking about sending a “…better you than me, pal….” note as a reply (but I fought the temptation).

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2010-02-21 09:41:41

Again as a tax payer, I’d rather spend money on jobs than on TARP and unemployment extensions. We have huge deficits in infrastructure. Why not fix these and improve the countries energy efficiency. In the long run this will help small business and our competetiveness. Unemployment checks and TARP do nothing.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 16:03:25

We will as soon as we figure out who gets the skim and kickbacks.

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-02-21 12:17:07

Let’s not forget Homeland Security.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 13:30:04

Actually………lets do. :)

My mom (WASP female, age 75) flew to DFW on a one-way ticket over the weekend. Full body-cavity searches all around…….

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-21 13:35:38

Because 75 y/o WASPS have a long history of violent extremism.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 13:45:49

You clearly haven’t read your Edith Wharton!!!

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 16:01:43

Careful what you say there NYCboy, der Fatherland Home Security may be watching you.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 22:56:38

If they have time on their hands to infiltrate housing blogs, then I suggest they ought to allocate a bit more time trying to find Osama bin Laden…

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Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 08:05:28

Question: Are czars bipartisan?

Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-02-21 12:18:09

Well yes, since czars have served under Republican and Democratic presidents.

Comment by packman
2010-02-21 14:17:21

“Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.”
- U.S. Declaration of Independence, included in the long list of grievances.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 16:05:52

I reread the Declaration not to long ago.

It’s damn scary how close the present parallels.

We have become the very thing the Founding Fathers sought to escape.

 
Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 19:55:41

One of the key reasons for the rise of the Tea Party movement.

Those involved want two things primarily:

(1) a return to Constitutional law and obeyance of the Constitution, and,

(2) a considerably smaller, more efficient federal government (states rights come up often as a discussion point).

I’m amazed how many people I’ve met of different political persuasion (and there have been plenty) who want the above. It’s nearly everyone.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-02-21 09:33:07

Job-creation bill could fail in Senate ~(Reuters)~ 2-21-10

What was the $787 Billion dollars supposed to do? Do you recall?
It was the “stimulus” bill (Obama slush fund for friends of Obama).
The TARP was for the Banks and the financial fiasco.

The stimulus was to allow the Federal government to dollop wads of cash around various sectors of the economy to prevent job losses and stimulate business activity. In spite of all the egghead models that Obama has trotted out with HIGHER jobs losses, the claim is always that without the “stimulus” the results would have been much worse.
Really?
Did we learn anything from Japan? NO. They have been deficit spending and government stimulating for 20 years and it has rebounded their markets.
So now, we need MORE “stimulus” for jobs creation?? Obama hasn’t even finished buying votes with the last pile of cash. The money is “targeted” to be released more heavily prior to the 2010 elections, although it was an “emergency” stimulus package.
How many LIES will the American public withstand? When will the “press” give us the truth about what’s going on in Washington?

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-02-21 09:34:55

it has NOT rebounded their markets.

Sorry..typing faster than brain is working.

 
Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-21 09:48:30

Comparative Economics

Ireland portugal spain greece (?) are cutting spending to straighten out their balance sheets.

This contrasts sharply with the US approach. I see zero criticism of the idea of boosting spending- just litle squabbles about the best way to do it.

Comment by scdave
2010-02-21 10:19:34

+1 JDinCT….I agree…

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 10:38:11

Do you think that perhaps it matters whether a country has its own reserve currency printing press technology?

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Comment by scdave
2010-02-21 11:37:38

currency printing press technology?

:) Good one Pbear…

 
Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-21 16:35:24

i heard that there was a german printing company that was making a fortune off Zimbabwe’s ill-fortune (i.e. printing lotes of notes)

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-21 13:40:46

No…the PIIGS are saying they will cut spending, to try to sucker their richer EU neighbors into giving them a bailout.

Then when their anarcho-communist unions and the massive entitlements classes they’ve built up take to the streets and paralyze the country, they can backtrack on their supposed commitments.

Just wait until demographics and the ever-expanding categories of entitlements classes and “victims” give the Democrats a permanent stranglehold on electoral power. Then we’ll see the same scenario play out here.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-21 14:08:23

I wonder what percentage of people who receive entitlements votes Democratic. I bet it’s not nearly as high as you seem to think. Does every person on social security or medicare vote Democratic?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 16:08:50

Thanks god the anarcho-communist BANKERS are sooo much better.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-21 17:22:51

My feelings about Banksters are well known in here.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-02-21 06:37:38

American Woodmark sales fall 32 percent
Washington Business Journal

Kitchen and bathroom cabinet maker American Woodmark lost money last quarter and blames continued weakness in the home remodeling segment for a 32 percent drop in sales.

The Winchester-based company had a fiscal third quarter net loss of $9.1 million, or 64 cents per share compared to net income of $23,000, or 0 cents per share in the same quarter a year ago. It had net sales of $89.2 million, compared to $131.2 million.

“The company’s net loss [reflects] our ongoing strategy to retain the organizational and production capacity to service our customers as demand for new construction and big ticket remodeling projects recovers,” said chief executive Kent Guichard in a statement.

Last year, American Woodmark closed two manufacturing plants, idled a third and cut its salaried workforce to counter falling sales.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-02-21 08:35:54

A local custom kitchen cabinet maker here abruptly closed down last week. I thought home starts were up.

Comment by goirishgohoosiers
2010-02-21 09:54:23

A local cabinetry shop went up in flames a couple of weeks ago. The cause is still under investigation. I’m sure a dropoff in business had nothing at all to do with it.

Comment by 45north
2010-02-21 13:35:52

“‘If we have someone set a structure fire that’s an arson and one of our firefighters get hurt, they will be chased harder than anything that’s been chased in their whole life,’ Johnson said.”

http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?m=20080223

Where’s dimedropped?

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Comment by measton
2010-02-21 09:47:13

This is what happens when lumber yards shut down driving up prices despite rock bottom demand. Their input costs rise while the prices they can demand remain in the basement. The same will hold true for other companies dealing with artificially high prices for oil copper etc.

 
 
Comment by polly
2010-02-21 06:44:41

I’m going to type up a rant against investment banks, even in their traditional role of helping companies issue stock or debt. It is going to take a bit, so I’m putting a place holder here so it won’t end up at the bottom of the page.

Please note that I am just getting over the virus my nephew gave me last weekend (had a low grade fever most of yesterday) so I’m feeling a little cranky.

This is largely inspired by my low grade but building fury at the president reporting that he admired these guys as business people. I used to work for them (through my first law firm job) and I don’t admire them at all.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-21 07:38:24

Obama’s presidency was toast the moment he named Geithner as his Treasury Secretary. Praising Dimon and Blankfein was just the cherry on the Sunday. The corruption is complete.

I look forward to your IB rant. Bring it on.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 08:20:37

Obama’s presidency was toast the moment…:

Cheney-Shrub declared: “We want him to succeed as President, we really do!” :-)

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-02-21 08:38:13

See, now Cheney’s sarcasm was delivered with a bludgeon. Contrast it with Jeff Saturday’s wonderful stiletto-delivered sarcasm in his post above. You have to read Jeff’s at least twice to get it.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 08:50:33

Admitting, I have been watching too much Gallagher lately…

 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-21 11:31:14

I look forward to your IB rant. Bring it on.

Joey ain’t gonna like it…

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 16:55:37

And I am sure Joey will speak for the other 300 million Americans (whom he personally represents) who don’t post on this blog when he weighs in on the subject…

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Comment by polly
2010-02-21 09:19:19

Rant, part one - the numbers.

One of the things Investment Banks are supposed to do is help companies go public. This is called an IPO or initial public offering. The item being offered initially is the company’s stock. Before the IPO the company is privtely held.

IPO’s come in different shapes and sizes, but they all have a few things in common. They require a lot of documents that get filed with the SEC describing the company and what it does and even providing reasoned projections of its future prospects (will it face competition in its market niche, etc.). Putting together these documents requires experience and skill. So this is what the IB’s do, right? No. The lawyers do this. They look up previous filings for similar companies that have been accepted by the SEC. They modify them for this company. They do due diligence to make sure the numbers provided by the accountants are correct. It isn’t brain surgery, but it takes some skill, mostly provided by lawyers in their late 20’s managed by lawyers in their early 30’s.

So, what does the IB do? Well, they decide some of the terms of the deal. How many shares? How much should they sell those shares for? (Multiply those two to get the value of the company.) How much should the founders of the company get to keep? What should they do to “sell” the company? They also babysit the owners (who are understandably nervous) and protect those owners from the lawyers ’cause lawyers have to be skeptical of claims of future glory - it is their job. No one wants nervous owners to get exposed to skepticism - it might make them worried.

OK, lets use some make believe numbers. The IB’s decide that the company is worth $10,000 (or $10 million, or $100 million or whatever). They will sell 1000 shares for $10 a piece. When they make this decision, they are basically promising that they can sell 1000 shares for that much. If they can’t find buyers, they will buy it themselves. Since this is a lot of risk (or they claim it is) they sometimes bring in other investment banks to also be part of the offering in a lesser roles. The secondary ones promise to be part of the coalition that will buy up the leftover shares if they can’t find other buyers for it. They also tell the founders of the company that they will get to keep 50 shares for themselves which means that group of people will get to share $500 (or $500,000 or $5 million or more) and be rich.

Then the IB goes out to do the thing they are actually good at. The go on the road and “sell” the company to special selected groups of insiders - pension fund managers, mutual fund managers, really rich people, etc. I don’t remember what this fiasco is called, but it has some really lame name. They spend a lot of money on hotels and restaurants and booze while they do this.

Then the offering happens. And a miracle occurs. The people who got to buy into the offering at the initial offering price don’t all keep the shares they bought. Some of them sell the shares. (The company insiders can’t because there are rules about the trading on inside information and a lot of the information has only just been made public.) And during the course of the first few hours or days (or seconds) the price of the shares goes way up - to $20 a share. Wow! The company insiders are over the moon. They aren’t sharing $500 any more. They are sharing $1000. They are rich! Twice as rich as they thought they would be.

They should be so happy, right? NO. NO. NO. They should be pissed. Their investment bank, the one that told them that $10,00 was the price they could sell the company for was completely totally and utterly WRONG. The company is worth $20,000. They have twice as much money as they thought they would have personally, so they are pretty happy. But their company just lost out on HALF of the working capital it could have had to grow and make more money. The company only got $10,000 when it could have had $20,000. Where did the other $10,000 go? Into the pockets of the investment bank (that did, in fact reserve some of the initial allocation of shares for itself) and the IB’s special little buddies, the people who were allowed to buy the shares for $10 each, half of their real value.

So the IB gets paid a lot of money for taking on the risk of buying up shares of the company for $10 each, when, if they were doing their jobs at all, they would have known (and probably did know) that there was no risk at all that they couldn’t sell the company at $10. And at the same time, they get to buy some of the shares at $10 for themselves and the value doubles. That is a nice payday too. And they get to spread that wealth around to their best friends who will, no doubt, return the favor. So that is a third payday. Meanwhile, the company has half the working capital it could have had and NO ONE to complain about that since the founders are so stunned at being twice as rich as they thought they would be, they are too busy going out and buying sports cars.

Is this being a good business person? As long as you only care about the investment bank making money, then I guess it is. But it isn’t good for other buisnesses (the one that went public or the ones that that company would have bought stuff from or the other people it could have hired with more money) and that means it isn’t good for the country. The IB’s have way too many conflicts of interest. And except for their list of money managers and rich people, their skill at wining and dining the same, and their ability to vastly underestimate the value of companies, the lawyers actually do all the work.

And that is my first rant.

Comment by SUGuy
2010-02-21 11:20:05

There is a saying 100 percent of zero is still zero. Everybody in the chain has to make money. I could make an argument that a company could not go public without the IB’s help and that’s why they get paid the big bucks and everybody else in the chain makes money. This is my personal philosophy I want the employees at our company to make big bucks because if they are making great money so are we.

Comment by polly
2010-02-21 19:17:26

I guess that is why the people with credit card balances are so happy about their interest rates going to over 29%. After all, the credit card company already gets 2 to 3 % of everything that is charged from the merchants, so if they also get paid nearly 30% interest on balances and also get $50 or more every time a user goes over their limit (even if they sent in money 10 days ago and therefore thought they were well under it), the credit card user should be delighted, because if they are getting so badly screwed, that means the card company will still be providing the service tomorrow.

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Comment by combotechie
2010-02-21 12:15:59

Nice rant! It added a new perspective to my understanding of IPOs.

Looking forward to Rant 2.

Stay pissed.

 
2010-02-21 17:00:43

If this was a pervasive problem, then IPO share prices would always “pop” upon going public. This is an empirical question. Do they?

CCC

Comment by polly
2010-02-21 18:32:18

I believe that they pretty much always did for the companies of the tech bubble. Youngish geeks who started a company in the garage got taken advantage of horrendously.

However, if more of your IPOs are coming from private equity investment partnerships (like Blackrock) then you are dealing with a more sophisticated client, and they won’t put up with that crap. They bought the company, fired a ton of the workers, outsourced a bunch of operations, loaded it up with debt and pulled some hocus pocus accounting tricks to make it look good to the market. They know exactly what it is worth. They still might need the IB’s rolodex to sell the moster away, but they won’t put up with sever undervaluing. They want the cash.

So I don’t think it happens as much now as it used to, but for a long time, this was the business model.

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Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-21 17:03:31

Wow ! Whatta rant !

 
 
Comment by polly
2010-02-21 09:56:37

First rant is posted but long, so it is in purgatory. I might wait until tomorrow to put in part two. I need to go out this afternoon and it might take a while….

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 10:14:51

Thanks for rant one; looking forward to rant two. As you doubtless realize, a bit of crankiness can actually provide considerable inspiration!

 
Comment by Englishman In NJ
2010-02-21 13:28:17

Polly:

The lame name for it is “Road Show”.

Comment by polly
2010-02-21 18:18:03

Thank you.

I kept thinking “beauty contest” but that is when the IB tries to sell itself to the company, not when they try to sell the company to the lucky financial elite who can scratch their backs someday.

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-02-24 11:02:20

Get well soon, Polly.

 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2010-02-21 06:46:40

Gave it awhile, sorry if this is a double post:

(Totally OT)

Ugh.. Avatar up for best picture against Hurt Locker.

My faith in humanity is about to be tested. I haven’t seen Hurt Locker yet, but assuming it’s not a high school film project recorded on 8MM, it’s probably going to be more enjoyable than Avatar.

How can people; who’s JOB it is to critique movies, not deliver an accurate opinion on these blockbusters. Titanic was the same thing (although a much better movie), it certainly did not belong anywhere near best picture. It’s like they have to select the blockbusters, regardless if they are actually good movies or not.

(Back OT)

Oh well.. On another note, West Palm opened their waterfront this weekend.

http://tinyurl.com/ydtodqb

I wonder if this will come to be known as Lois’s (the Mayor) folly? Yes, it’s a good idea in concept. So is having one Ferrari for every day of the week. However, it’s too expensive, which is why most people would have left well enough alone, especially as the bottom falls out of the tax revenues for all the districts in FL. It’s going to be interesting, that’s for sure. I can be pretty sure that people are going to be wishing they didn’t spend that money a few years from now.

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-02-21 06:51:25

10 percent reportedly late on mortgages

Nearly 10 percent of San Diego County homeowners with mortgages are at least two months late on their payments and are likely to default and fall into foreclosure, a sampling of area credit records shows.

According to Chicago-based Trans-Union, a credit and information management company, a record 9.9 percent of mortgage holders in the county were 60 days or more delinquent in the fourth quarter of last year. That’s up from 6.2 percent a year earlier and 1.5 percent, the historic average, at the beginning of 2007.

California’s delinquency was even higher, 11 percent, while the nation as a whole was at 6.9 percent — both record levels. TransUnion used a sample of 27 million consumers’ credit records, about one-tenth of the total available, to calculate the delinquency rate.

 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-02-21 06:58:43

Foreclosures Seen Still Hitting Prices
wsj.com

More waves of foreclosures will keep downward pressure on home prices in parts of the U.S. over the next several years, two new studies project.

The studies—by John Burns Real Estate Consulting Inc. and Standard & Poor’s Financial Services LLC—conclude that most efforts to modify loans with easier terms will delay, not prevent, the loss of homes to foreclosure.

The Treasury Department is expected to give its latest update this week on government efforts to avert foreclosures.

The John Burns study estimates that five million houses and condominiums on which mortgages are now delinquent will go through foreclosure or related procedures that put them on the market over the next few years. That would represent the bulk of the estimated 7.7 million households behind on their mortgage payments.

This “shadow inventory” of homes expected to hit the market is enough to last about 10 months, based on the average sales rate over the past decade, the Irvine, Calif., firm says.

The problem is concentrated in Arizona, California, Florida and Nevada. The shadow inventory is equivalent to 27 months of sales in Orlando, 24 months in Miami and 18 months in Las Vegas, the study estimates.

Over the past nine months, home prices as measured by the S&P/Case-Shiller index have risen modestly after a three-year plunge. That is largely because efforts to avert foreclosures have slowed the flow of foreclosed homes onto the market, temporarily constricting supply.

John Burns, CEO of the consulting firm, said investor demand for foreclosed homes remained strong. Thus, he said, prices were likely to be about level over the next few years, despite the looming foreclosure supply, if the economy continued to recover and mortgage interest rates didn’t rise sharply. But if the economy slumped anew and interest rates jumped, he said, “that’s going to cause prices to fall further.”

The S&P study also says that the “overhang” of foreclosed homes expected to go on the market points to lower home prices.

Some borrowers are catching up on payments after having their loan terms modified, but S&P says current trends suggest that 70% of such borrowers eventually will redefault. Loan modifications “may be helping marginally, but they are not going to solve the whole problem,” said Diane Westerback, a managing director at S&P.

Loan servicers, firms that collect payments and handle foreclosures, seem to have “nearly exhausted the supply of plausible candidates for loan modifications” and will find that many loans are “unredeemable,” the S&P study says. As a result, servicers increasingly are looking to arrange “short sales,” in which homes are sold for less than their loan balances.

Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2010-02-21 10:15:23

good article. interesting they don’t address banks purposely holding foreclosures off the market as a factor in the mix.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 12:10:29

Listen to the transcript from this San Diego KPBS radio interview with a couple of local real estate experts for salient commentary on the shadow inventory. It seems the bankers’ ability to hide elephants under the rug is waning.

These Days
S.D. Home Prices Fluctuate, Sales Still Down

San Diego home prices are down from last month, but still $25,000 higher than one year ago. What does the latest data tell us about the local real estate market? We speak to the real estate reporter for the San Diego Union-Tribune, and a real estate broker about the latest news on the local market.

By Maureen Cavanaugh, Hank Crook

February 18, 2010

Maureen Cavanaugh: The new year has started with some unsettling news for San Diego’s housing market. There was a 7.6 percent drop in the median home price last month. That drop wiped out all the small gains in housing prices during the last quarter of 2009.

But market analysts tell us not to worry, January and February are unreliable months for San Diego real estate. The real story about housing prices will be told this spring.

So where does all that leave us?

Guests

Roger Showley, staff writer for the San Diego Union-Tribune who covers real estate.

Matt Battiata, CEO of the Battiata Real Estate Group.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 10:18:37

Don’t believe this pessimistic story. This article proves that the foreclosure crisis is ending:

Obama unveils mortgage plan to help California, 4 other states
In Nevada, the president touts a $1.5-billion program designed to help people in danger of foreclosure. He also talks up beleaguered Sen. Harry Reid.
February 20, 2010|By Peter Nicholas and Ashley Powers

Reporting from Henderson, Nev. — Standing in the heart of the nation’s hard-hit foreclosure country, President Obama on Friday rolled out a $1.5-billion mortgage program meant for a handful of states, including California and Nevada, that have endured waves of home foreclosures during the recession.

The president also used the moment to give a needed boost to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s reelection chances, crediting him with helping stave off a depression over the last year.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 10:42:11

We stopped at a Wendy’s restaurant in Henderson on our drive home from a Xmas family visit. I have never seen the likes of the sea of McMansion tract home developments sprawling as far as the eye can see across the Las Vegas valley floor. They are also among the ugliest ever built — densely-spaced cookie-cutter stucco box homes tightly built on adjacent parcels, designed to lure greater fools into absentee ownership of single family homes that should never have been built.

I am so happy the President is stepping in to enrich real estate investors by ensuring the value of all these empty tract homes will soon start going up again.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 16:28:40

You should come to Houston. I’m pretty sure we invented McMansions.

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Comment by salinasron
2010-02-21 07:00:22

Two things:

1) Last monday I had lunch with a friend in Paso Robles who was on the way home from a second home in Cambria. In the past it was always, yes housing in falling but my house won’t because and everyone keeps moving to the beach areas. This day was ‘my gosh you should see what’s happening, prices are dropping and I could buy a better house now for what I paid’.
2) A friend of my wife living in Santa Clara called to say I want to thank you husband for talking sense on housing. In Sept. of 2009 we didn’t want to believe it,but he made sense. We just put our house up on a short sale, will save money by renting and will be leaving at the end of the year for Oklahoma where we have family and can live much, much cheaper. Both husband and wife will take their CA retirements (retiring this year) with them at that time.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-21 07:07:33

Good for you, Salinas Ron. I have harped for a long time that the best thing we can do is keep telling the truth, no matter how many people shun us or ridicule us. When something is this important you stand by what you know is right and you deal with the consequences. Personally, I have gone from being the source of laughter to being somebody that gets asked frequently what my thoughts are on the economy. Nobody asks the clowns that used to laugh what they are thinking.

I bet we all have some victories to share. I know I have had a few. I know that many of the people that I know very well are much more cautious financially because of all of the time I spent trying to warn them what was going on. They know that if they make a risky financial move that it will get back to me. I think that thought alone has kept some on the straight and narrow.

Keep fighting the fight. The only way to beat a dishonest system is with honesty.

Comment by Rancher
2010-02-21 07:21:30

NY,
Last year at a city council meeting one of the
councilors called me a “doom and gloomer” after
I had warned the city about the coming drop
in city revenues. I had spent three minutes
explaining the hows and whys of it and several people came up to me afterwards with questions.

Now I’m getting questions from the council
members on a steady basis and they’re on the way to being true believers.

Comment by polly
2010-02-21 09:24:54

And the HBB proves that there actually is some power in facts, every once in a while.

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Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-21 09:50:16

i’d rather be right than be popular

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 11:04:02

I’d rather be poor and honest than rich and deceitful.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 11:10:56

I’d rather be rich and honest than poor.

False dichotomy, silly rabbit!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 11:59:04

FPSS –

I did not mean to suggest wealth and honesty were mutually exclusive; just expressing my relative preferences…

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-21 12:05:27

I’d rather be poor and honest than

a Wall Street Banker.

(I hope my dichotomy is OK)

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 12:17:12

Nobody who’s actually interacted with poor people wil tell you they are honest. They will slit your throats for a few pennies that will make the worst Wall St. banker look like Mother Theresa.

Have you ever walked in a third-world slum, you buncha whiny ass-white boy middle class types?

What’s wrong with the folks here? Did y’all all have a rationality chip short-circuit while I went on vacation?

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-21 12:28:04

Nobody who’s actually interacted with poor people wil tell you they are honest.

I have and they are as honest as any class. But they have not done as much damage lately to America as Wall Street and Banks have.

Have you ever walked in a third-world slum,

Last week or last month?

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 13:20:15

They are as honest as any class.

LOL

They will put a bullet in your head faster than you can say “Shakespeare”, Rio-boy! Maybe you can negogiate a favela, and so can I but you severely exaggerate their ethics.

They have zero ethics. How can they? Ethics are for rich people who can worry about things like ethics.

LOL

You are seriously naive.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-21 13:50:46

They will put a bullet in your head faster than you can say “Shakespeare”,

Hey watch it pussy cat! That’s uncalled for. I hate Shakespeare!

But you are too assumptive. I never said anything about favela’s ethics. I was just answering your question.

I’ve still lived over 90% of my life in the USA and it was Americans that I’m mostly talking about.

I said the poor people I’ve dealt with had the same level of honesty as other classes. They did.

Granted, I’ve not spent much time at all with the poorest of the poor or the richest of the rich although I have spent a lot of time with lower, middle and upper class people.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 16:33:54

I gotta go with Rio on this one. I used to be poor. Then fairly well off. Then poor again. I’ve been up and down the food chain a few times.

As Rio says “… the same level of honesty…” Or lack of. You gotta watch your back no matter where you are.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 16:35:10

“Nobody who’s actually interacted with poor people will tell you they are honest.”

Really?, the ones I’VE LIVED WITH are dirt honest, then again… which “poor” zeexactualy is you all talkin’ ’bout fpss, because “poor” has more “colors” than a 128 ct box of crayola crayons…(youez know the box with the silver & gold “special” ones) ;-)

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-21 17:07:47

I’ve been middle-class, dirt poor, and “comfortable”. I’ve had poor friends who were far more honest than some wealthy acquaintances. Do you also believe that only people of a certain color or religion are the “blessed” ones ? You are the one who is naive.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-21 17:31:25

We weren’t poor when I was growing up, but money was tight. Very tight. Yet my folks were honest, decent people. They had real character and looked out for other people. Low income doesn’t have to mean “lowlife.”

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 17:33:22

I’ve been all up and down the chain. I think the problem with this conversation is that we haven’t defined the terms correctly.

Dirt-poor in Alabama ain’t the same as dirt-poor in Rio and that ain’t the same as dirt-poor in Mumbai which ain’t the same as dirt-poor in Mexico City.

The first and the third may very well be decent but the second and the fourth will get a bullet in your head real quick.

Plus, we haven’t actually quite defined what “honest” or “ethical”, etc. mean.

To those that have never actually experienced Rio or Mexico City, I claim that you are naive beyond naive.

 
 
Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2010-02-21 10:32:44

Seems you have some insight into city revenue sources. Isn’t it a relatively small segment that comes from taxes? I thought I heard 1/3 revenues from taxes, rest from investments in securities/bonds/market and fed gov. If that is true, municipalities should be somewhat cushioned - as long as the stock market keeps going up.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 16:35:16

Who do you think is gaming the markets besides the banksters?

 
 
 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-02-21 07:08:12

“Both husband and wife will take their CA retirements (retiring this year) with them at that time.”

Say it ain’t so. Money earned in CA should stay in CA.

I’m joking, but as things get heated up I wouldn’t be surprised to see taxes levied or some other means concocted to keep money from leaving the state.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 07:16:30

Public pensions are gonna get devastated in the upcoming muni bankruptcies.

This couple better have a Plan B and a Plan C ’cause Plan A ain’t gonna be working out so well for them.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-21 07:19:51

Putty-tat, are you seeing the miraculous recovery in NYC? Am I missing something? I saw more closed shops on Bleecker last night. I wonder when all of those new boutiques are going to start closing down. They are the ones the drove rents through the roof. It couldn’t happen to a nicer set of people.

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 07:34:40

I am not seeing the “miraculous” recovery. Restaurants that wouldn’t sneeze to give me a reservation two years ago are welcoming my “walk-in attitude”.

Bleecker is a joke. Half the storefronts are empty/dying and the rents are still astronomical. Pretentious places like Murray’s are in a Balducci-style (remember them?) death spiral.

Color me as a total non-believer in the “recovery”.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-21 08:00:04

I like Murray’s but it is expensive. I haven’t bought anything there for probably three years. We walked by last night and I don’t know what was going on. A customer on the street seemed angry and I think he was cursing Murray’s.

I still laugh at Balducci’s. We walked by last Saturday and I commented to my wife about it. We laughed. I hated that place. The selection wasn’t great. The store was laid out terribly. The service was poor. But, hey, at least the prices were high.

I think the closing of Cafe Bruxelles a few weeks ago really shook me. I didn’t think they would close. It is bad and the rents are just too damn high. I hate landlords.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 08:24:43

“…and the rents are still astronomical. Pretentious places like Murray’s are in a Balducci-style (remember them?) death spiral.”

Shhhhhh, the landlords are still on vacation in their own landminds…

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 10:36:05

I deeply dislike Murray’s. It is pretentious and not good value for money.

I have no problems forking out the dough - I shop at Fairway fer’ cryin’ out loud. What I dislike is being hustled. I know the products they are offering, and I know the quality, and I know what they are worth.

For food, I am definitely one of those “insiders”. I know who Murray’s is catering to (and it’s not me) but they are offering shoddy products at premium prices.

I feel ripped off there in a way that I do not feel at Dean & Deluca (and that’s saying a lot!)

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-21 10:46:00

After my first time buying groceries at a D’Agostino I felt like I had been violated. I won’t even begin on how much I hate Gristedes.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 11:05:13

D’Agostino is another one of those businesses that caters to non-insiders.

If you really want awesome “non-standard” meats (goose, capon, etc.) there are places that will give you amazing quality. You just need to know where they are.

Sadly, you could call these places, take a cab there, buy the stuff, and take a cab back and still be under D’Agostino’s prices.

But you gotta know what you are doing. These places are catering to the uninformed.

I have no problem forking out for quality products but I’m one of those retentives who cooks daily from scratch. I’m soooooooo ol’-school so that I’m not even any school (and I’m on the good side of 35!)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 12:03:52

‘Restaurants that wouldn’t sneeze to give me a reservation two years ago are welcoming my “walk-in attitude”.’

This recurring episode keeps playing over again and again in my personal life these days:

1) Wife and I decide to go out for a bite to eat at some half-decent restaurant nearby where we live.

2) Wife makes a reservation.

3) We inevitably are running 5-10 minutes late as we drive to the restaurant, as my lovely wife continuously worries our reservation will be taken.

4) We finally show up at the restaurant, and voila, the place is only half full!

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 13:38:35

You need a “bad-boy” upgrade courtesy the FPSS.

When she worries about the reservation, ignore her rantings. When you get to the restaurant, say things like “Darling, you didn’t need to worry. They are practically bankrupt. Who are they going to give it away to?”

I know, I know, I’m a charmer. But it works!

It’s all in the delivery and payoff (like any good comic.) :-D

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 13:54:35

I’m seeing improved service at a lot of businesses.

The 18-20 year old waiter/kitchen/sales/checkout staff is being replaced by 25-40 year old college graduates.

This is good for the business, unless you are running some kind of “exotic entertainment/gentleman’s club”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 16:52:22

I seriously doubt “exotic entertainment/gentleman’s” clubs are running short on highly qualified 18-22 year old workers these days…

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-02-21 10:38:28

+1 FPSS…If it occurs and it is systemic it will be the black swan that could take the whole enchilada down…

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Comment by scdave
2010-02-21 10:41:18

I am talking about muni-pensions by the way…

 
 
 
Comment by Wee Willy
2010-02-21 07:44:14

In some countries there is no DIRECT DEPOSIT, you must turn up in person at a government office to receive your pension cheque. This would slow down pension money leaving the state/country.

Comment by combotechie
2010-02-21 08:01:11

Great idea, have the pension receipiant show up in person each month to get his/her pension.

Of course it wouldn’t be for any other reason than insuring that the proper person is receiving the money.

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Comment by combotechie
2010-02-21 08:18:38

Unless, of course, the receipiant is too SICK to show up in person, in which case he/she should be allowed to stay in another state (and receive that state’s healthcare).

 
Comment by polly
2010-02-21 09:41:45

And providing good government jobs for the folks that pass out the checks, right?

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 13:56:51

I might remind everyone that one of the reasons that “direct-deposit” exists is to prevent the elderly from getting their heads bashed in after getting their pension checks.

 
 
Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-21 08:55:49

wow!
Now that is a good idea!!

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-02-21 07:15:36

Ron:

And if the bank says NO .. make sure they will abandon the “house” and still get their pensions in OK…who cares about FICO at that age.

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We just put our house up on a short sale,

 
Comment by scdave
2010-02-21 10:30:39

will take their CA retirements (retiring this year) with them at that time ??

And it is happening more & more…Earned in California but spent in Oklahoma, Texas or wherever…Its called stretching the dollar…

 
 
Comment by peter a
2010-02-21 07:04:49

So my wife and I did our taxes. I have been out of work and in nursing school for 3 years. My wife worked last year and made less than $12000.
Our return was for $9000. This is why our country is screwed. I do not see how this is sustainable. Multiply that by millions of people in the same boat and thats a lot of money.
I thank all the tax payers for your charity.

Comment by polly
2010-02-21 07:40:58

Make sure you took your life long learning tax credit….

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 08:14:40

Make sure you are learning marketable skills.

(I think you are for what that is worth.)

 
 
Comment by Groundhogday
2010-02-21 07:49:32

We got a $12k tax credit this year for adopting a child. Why? Honestly, we adopted because it was what we wanted to do and had no idea at the time that there was a tax credit. But why should the US government offer a tax credit for having children or adopting children?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-02-21 08:00:43

Because the more taxpayers the merrier!

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 08:27:59

“…We got a $12k tax credit this year for adopting a child.”

No one would ever think of using this in a nefarious way, right? Oh, now that I think about it…what the heck is Oct-O-Mom doing these days? ;-)

Comment by polly
2010-02-21 09:43:39

Isn’t she filming a reality show?

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-21 13:48:08

Resting before pumping out more future Democratic voters.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 16:43:05

Well since she lives in “The O.C.” that’s actually a good thing… :-)

 
 
 
Comment by WHYoung
2010-02-21 08:57:25

If the adopted child was a ward of the state perhaps you’ve saved them money.

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-02-21 07:50:10

“I do not see how this is sustainable.”

It isn’t.

“Multiply that by millions of people in the same boat and that’s a lot of money.”

A lot of MISSING money is what it is. There’s a scarcity of the stuff.

“I thank all the taxpayers for your charity.”

You are welcome, although it wasn’t exactly charity.

 
Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 08:23:15

Funny -

I claimed 0 exemptions, and owe $740.

Then again, I didn’t itemize.

And, I’m not married.

And, I’m not a welfare mother.

So, peter a, enjoy MY money.

Comment by Michael Fink
2010-02-21 09:37:56

Ugh.. I’m going to owe a 5 figure amount this year. And let me tell you, all I can think about is that money winding up in the hands of some moron who’s under his house by 200K and has a loan at 10X his income. It makes me so angry.

I’d rather see the money go to street level bums; the entitlements to the undeserving are one thing. The entitlements to the undeserving who have more than I do…. That’s quite another.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 16:42:15

Millions are underwater. Less than 100K have had their mortgages “adjusted.”

I’d day you have nothing to worry about. Now ending up in the hands of the banksters… that you should worry about!

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Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-02-21 08:52:11

Peter, how did you calculate your taxes? Even if your total income was, say $20,000 ($12,000 from your wife’s salary and another $8,000 from unemployment, interest, or other sources), you’d subtract $11,400 standard deduction and $7,300 personal deduction, leaving $1,300 taxable income. The tax on that would be about $130.

If your total income was indeed $12,000 then you owe no income tax.

Comment by poormancometh
2010-02-21 09:38:43

Maybe bought a house. JK.

He must have some kids, which gets him child tax credits and my favorite the Earned income credit.

At $ 20k of income with two kids, combined credits of $ 7,828 plus refund of any withholding during the year.

 
2010-02-21 09:43:34

He didn’t own any income tax. His credits added up to $9,000 and he got a check.

Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-21 09:51:40

what are the parameters for the earned income tax credit? does that still exist?

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Comment by polly
2010-02-21 10:01:58

It does. It is very, very restricted if you don’t have any kids.

Go to irs.gov and put “earned income tax credit” in the search box. Plenty of information will come up.

 
Comment by mike in bend
2010-02-21 12:04:07

Does a short sale bank forgiveness count as income? We earned 22k this year, myself a twice laid off teacher trying to substitute and my wife a checker.
We are EIC for sure, getting 7500 from the feds this year.

If we short sale, would the amount of income(bank forgiveness amount of say 60k of debt) from the sale count as income and put us in a higher tax bracket.

My wife got herself a loan as a checker at 5k per year income on a no doc loan of 300k. No mod, no way.
Short sale or foreclosure? I did not have as good a fico so I was not included on the house or the loan as per our mortgage “officer” good advice.

My credit is good, in the 700s
We paid over 100k in gains taxes on rental property that we could have claimed to have lived in, so we don’t feel so bad. Also the banks extended us 150k in credit cards, we maxed them and paid them off in full. Every dime. Their response was to cut our credit to about 5k. But our ficos are good cuz we carry no revolving debt on these cards. so the calc is 0/5000 available=good credit ATM.

Chastise away,it is tough getting employment, and I am working 3 hours away from home living in a mancave trailer so I can get some income substitute teaching.

 
Comment by poormancometh
2010-02-21 13:10:15

Depends on circumstances, is short sale on residence or a rental.

 
Comment by polly
2010-02-21 19:54:32

Mike in bend,

Oddly enough, I find the best way to figure that sort of stuff out is to work through the forms. It isn’t always worth the time to try to find things explicitly defined in other places. If you print out the form and instructions for the EITC, there will certainly be a place where they tell you what line from the 1040 to use to determine how much income you had for that year. Now for EITC there may be two different numbers you need (the “earned” income and the total income which would probably include other types of income) - sorry, I’ve never really examined the EITC closely. If the special income you have is added in after the line where the EITC form tells you to go (or isn’t in a list of lines that have to be added up), it isn’t included. If the special income you have is added in before the line where the EITC form tells you to go (or IS in a list of lines that have to be added up), it is included.

At least if you do it that way, you can say you were just following the instructions you were given. That being said, the best tax planning thing I ever did used this technique. Seems to have worked just fine. Please note, you have to work through the forms by hand to do this. I don’t trust the software packages to get the really complex stuff correct. Just my paranoia. I have no justification for it.

 
Comment by mike in bend
2010-02-21 22:53:26

Thank you with a capital T!!
We’ll try and figure it out as it is really important for us to maximize what’s good for our family, and short sale versus foreclosure has been a weighing on our minds sorta heavy.

 
 
 
Comment by peter a
2010-02-21 11:55:50

I do have 3 kid. Got money for school. My point was that. This is crazy, I should not get $9000 back, that was 3/4 of our take home pay.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 16:46:02

That’s 3k per child per year. $250 a month. Food, clothing, medical and school.

That is NOT a lot of money to raise a kid. Don’t feel guilty.

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Comment by Kirisdad
2010-02-21 18:10:09

Think about how many people are gaming this system. Make $ 30,000/yr off the books (in tips) another $12,000 on the books and get back $9,000 from uncle Sam. Not too shabby. I’m thinking waiters, bartenders etc.

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Comment by measton
2010-02-21 20:02:02

Think about the top 400 income earners who make 350million a year and pay a lower effective tax rate than people making 60k a year.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 10:45:39

If you have the right personality to get comfortable with the work, consider going in to hospice. With the wave of aging baby boomers headed into retirement, there will be no shortage of employment opportunities in this area over the next few decades. Like you, my sister finished her training as a nurse a couple of years back. She is now in hospice, which seems to be her life calling.

Comment by peter a
2010-02-21 12:00:13

I am going into Burns and trauma. Back in 1993 had a bunch of guys I new in the 82nd get hit with a plane. Saw how bad the burns were on them. I think I can make a difference for people with burns.

Comment by hip in zilker
2010-02-21 14:25:55

Wow. Good for you. When I lived in Madison WI years ago, their burn unit had a psychiatrist on duty just for the staff because their job was so difficult. (I had an acquaintance whose husband, an electrician, was treated there after an on-the-job accident. Incredibly tough experience.)

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 16:49:23

That’s awesome. I am sure you will be paid well and will make a great contribution to society: win-win.

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Comment by packman
2010-02-21 14:24:27

Our return was for $9000.

I thank all the tax payers for your charity.

No you’ve got it wrong Peter. You just gave the U.S. a $9,000 interest-free loan for a year. We thank you for your charity.

Comment by cougar91
2010-02-21 16:13:59

Sorry packman, that argument would only be valid if he overpaid his taxes through out the year and as a result got a $9,000 refund. In this case he didn’t pay the taxes but got a $9,000 EIC check instead, which he never put into the system in the first place and couldn’t possible get until the tax return is filed.

Thus he didn’t give a $9,000 interest free loan because it was never his money to begin with.

Comment by packman
2010-02-21 19:28:44

peter said he “got $9,000 back”, which to me implies a tax refund. Call me clueless - but isn’t EIC a tax credit, i.e. a reduction in the amount of taxes you pay, but not actually free money paid to you, is it?

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Comment by polly
2010-02-21 19:57:50

EITC is a “refundable” credit. You get the money whether you paid any tax or not. Most tax credits are not refundable. You only get money back if you paid the tax in the first place.

 
Comment by mike in bend
2010-02-21 20:06:26

it is dollar for dollar unlike most all other tax credits. For lower income folks who dont pay taxes. We paid 0 taxes, cuz our income is 22000. All kinds of deductions do NOT subtract from 0, but the EIC is money. We got $7800 from government EIC! is not based on you paying a dime. Almost makes me wish medical deductions were similar cuz our medical expenses are super high, but they wont subtract many tax credit items from 0, your taxes just stay at 0, so it is pointless to itemize cuz you dont get money for it. But the EIC, it is them paying you straight up. Still does not make us rich

 
Comment by packman
2010-02-21 20:38:01

Well… that’s nice.

(packman heads to the toolshed, to find the pitchfork and honing stone)

 
Comment by mike in bend
2010-02-21 23:08:52

My grandpappy, a self made gunsmith, could whet your stone for you. Sorry, medical care is expensive, checkers who sell food to hispanic food stamp recipients and sub teachers who work with surly youth of today and it is tough to make ends meet. Why not claim EIC

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-02-21 07:05:11

Man accused of renting foreclosed homes says he’s done nothing wrong

Land O’Lakes, Florida — The man accused of renting out foreclosed homes he doesn’t own said he was only trying to help the community.

“The homes are left abandoned, they’re getting burglarized, beaten up, it’s horrible what’s going on,” said Stephen Bybel.

He claims he’s done nothing wrong.

Pasco County Sheriff’s deputies arrested Bybel Wednesday morning, accusing him of illegally taking possession of 72 homes throughout Pasco County and pocketing more than $16,000 in rent last month from 31 of the homes.

“What I’m doing is trying to get people into homes,” said Bybel, “The big thing is, you’re taking money… it’s not about the money, it’s about getting people into homes so they don’t get any worse. I’m trying to preserve what’s left of them neighborhoods before it gets worse.”

The 31 families living in the homes they thought they were legitimately renting from Bybel are now being told they have to move because technically they’re squatters since they do not have permission from the homeowner to live there.

Nicole Holt learned Thursday morning that she has to leave the Westbrook home she just moved into on Saturday.

The mother of two, whose husband is serving in Afghanistan thought she found a once in a lifetime deal in the home. At $800 per month, it was a deal she couldn’t pass up.

Bybel seemed to be legit and told her he was trying to help the homeowner, she said. Now she has no idea where she’ll go next or if she can even afford it.

“It was very expensive to move in and I just got my kids adjusted to it. My sister is also renting from him and she has four kids,” Holt told 10 Connects.

She estimates she spent $2,000 on moving expenses, which includes the $800 rent, utility deposits and paying off utility bill still owed on the home.

She’s not buying Bybel’s claim that he was just trying to help.

“Whatever helps him sleep at night,” she said.

Comment by Lip
2010-02-21 11:42:44

The culture is full of people that don’t see anything wrong with what they’re doing. In his mind he’s done nothing wrong, but “The Truth” of the matter he’s a thief. Kind of like a whole bunch of political speech that sounds good but has nothing to do with being truthful.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 16:49:08

Was he a former bankster?

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-02-21 07:11:37

Lawyer misconduct rises with foreclosure record

Ripoffs of homeowners have become so commonplace that state bar associations from Florida to Arizona are warning their members of the many ethical pitfalls awaiting those who exploit the mortgage crisis. The California State Bar launched a task force a year ago to examine thousands of homeowner complaints about foreclosure lawyers.

Currently, the California Bar is investigating more than 400 attorneys who are suspected of ripping off thousands of homeowners across the country.

The organization that licenses and disciplines California’s more than 250,000 lawyers already has suspended or obtained the resignations of 15 lawyers while disciplinary charges are pending.

The first to be charged was Sean Rutledge, founder of the law firm that purported to represent Jacobs and 13 other homeowners.

Just months after securing a law license, Rutledge had been flying high. His United Law Group ramped up to several lawyers and opened offices in other states.

Today his license is suspended, his nascent career lies in tatters and he is under investigation in California and Ohio for taking fees of up to $3,500 from desperate homeowners then allegedly doing little — or nothing — to save their homes.

The California Bar formally charged Rutledge in July with not only failing to perform vital tasks to stop foreclosures, but calling his clients “losers” during the rare occasions they could get him to return their telephone calls.

Rutledge has denied the allegations and said he would contest the state Bar’s attempts to disbar him. He is appealing the dismissal of a lawsuit he filed against the state Bar, alleging that it violated federal laws protecting the disabled. He suffers from diabetes and alleges state Bar investigators ignored his need for treatment when scheduling meetings, among other claims.

He did not return e-mail messages seeking comment, and could not be reached through the United Law Group, which remains in business and calls the focus on its founder and firm a “witch hunt.”

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-02-21 08:56:56

Let’s test these lawyers like they tested witches in colonial New England. Toss them into a deep pool of water. If they sink and drown then they were NOT witches. If they float or can swim then they ARE witches in which case we burn them at the stake.

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 09:23:04

Arrrgh, you must be in Ocracoke, Pirate Bill ;-)

 
Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 09:37:58

LOL

Geez, Bill. You sure are mean. Legal eagles are needed because someone has to care.

What if we couldn’t sue each other? What then, smart guy? Think of all those Court TV staffers that would be out of work! What would you tell their children as their afterschool debutante recitals are cancelled due to your callous indifference.

Who would fight over and write all the fine print and By-Laws?

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 16:54:36

Wait, shouldn’t we be finding a way to blame this fraud on the FBs? We all KNOW it was them po’ folks what caused this mess!

 
 
Comment by salinasron
2010-02-21 07:15:28

“But Michael Bird, from the National Conference of State Legislatures, says it will be a long time before states restore optional benefits, like dental coverage.

“The fiscal downturn is so severe that, even if you were to raise taxes or fees, you still aren’t going to be able to plug all of the holes that exist right now,” Bird says. “This is all about saving part of the school year versus the early release of prisoners versus an optional dental program versus whether you’re going to be able to fill the potholes on the roads.”

Bird says state coffers are empty and all the easy choices were made long ago.” From NPR web site

I can attest that I can get into a dental office now with no waiting. Yes, I pay the full price but if you need the work it is well worth foregoing other things.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-02-21 07:50:03

Watch the states! Stimulator I was swallowed up by them, but they’re trying to hush it up with talk of saved jobs and such. The next stimulus us going to have to go straight to the state houses too - there’s no other way!

Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-21 09:00:56

anybody see news about colorado springs draconian cuts to spending?
public park spending cut by 90 %, heard it on NPR

Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 09:13:22

I live in Colorado Springs.

The world hasn’t come to an end. Actually, I have yet to see any noticeable changes here. Then again, it’s winter. We’ll see what it’s like come May and fire season. (It’s been a dry winter).

Crime rate is high, but it’s always been high in this smallish town.

Lots of empty storefronts, but what else is new nationwide?

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Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-21 16:51:27

keep us posted re: colorado springs eudemon

shape of things to come

 
Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 19:20:24

I will - though you may need to remind me to talk about it.

Colorado Springs is a rather unkempt place to begin with. I don’t mean the public areas, either. Only the wealthiest parts of town seem to have a pride of place mentality.

The locals are nice, though. I like ‘em.

 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-02-21 09:32:49

They’re raising taxes and cutting services in New York, and cutting pay and benefits for new hires, which there are none because younger employees will be laid off.

Retirees and public employees with seniority give up nothing. Public employee unions rule state and local government, and the retired and near retired (and those who work for the unions themselves).

The executive class rules the federal government, and are getting richer as well as a result.

Everyone else is a serf.

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Comment by scdave
2010-02-21 10:50:01

+1 +1 WT !!!

Bring on the muni bankruptcies…

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 16:58:21

We are not serfs! We are glorious heroic workers for the Banksters Socialist Paradise!

You have problem with Corporate Communist Capitalism©®™, comrade?

 
 
Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-02-21 11:19:10

02/03/2010

COLORADO SPRINGS — This tax-averse city is about to learn what it looks and feels like when budget cuts slash services most Americans consider part of the urban fabric.

More than a third of the streetlights in Colorado Springs will go dark Monday. The police helicopters are for sale on the Internet. The city is dumping firefighting jobs, a vice team, burglary investigators, beat cops — dozens of police and fire positions will go unfilled.

The parks department removed trash cans last week, replacing them with signs urging users to pack out their own litter.

Neighbors are encouraged to bring their own lawn mowers to local green spaces, because parks workers will mow them only once every two weeks. If that.

Water cutbacks mean most parks will be dead, brown turf by July; the flower and fertilizer budget is zero.

City recreation centers, indoor and outdoor pools, and a handful of museums will close for good March 31 unless they find private funding to stay open. Buses no longer run on evenings and weekends. The city won’t pay for any street paving, relying instead on a regional authority that can meet only about 10 percent of the need.

“I guess we’re going to find out what the tolerance level is for people,” said businessman Chuck Fowler, who is helping lead a private task force brainstorming for city budget fixes. “It’s a new day.”

Some residents are less sanguine, arguing that cuts to bus services, drug enforcement and treatment and job development are attacks on basic needs for the working class.

“How are people supposed to live? We’re not a ‘Mayberry R.F.D.’ anymore,” said Addy Hansen, a criminal justice student who has spoken out about safety cuts. “We’re the second-largest city, and growing, in Colorado. We’re in trouble. We’re in big trouble.”

Mayor flinches at revenue
Colorado Springs’ woes are more visceral versions of local and state cuts across the nation. Denver has cut salaries and human services workers, trimmed library hours and raised fees; Aurora shuttered four libraries; the state budget has seen round after round of wholesale cuts in education and personnel.

The deep recession bit into Colorado Springs sales-tax collections, while pension and health care costs for city employees continued to soar. Sales-tax updates have become a regular exercise in flinching for Mayor Lionel Rivera.

“Every month I open it up, and I look for a plus in front of the numbers instead of a minus,” he said. The 2010 sales-tax forecast is almost $22 million less than 2007.

Voters in November said an emphatic no to a tripling of property tax that would have restored $27.6 million to the city’s $212 million general fund budget. Fowler and many other residents say voters don’t trust city government to wisely spend a general tax increase and don’t believe the current cuts are the only way to balance a budget.

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Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 14:14:43

“Fowler and many other residents say voters don’t trust city government to wisely spend a general tax increase…”

A-ha! There’s the rub. What hath (the political) God wraught?

Do without. Waste not, want not. Coming to a town near you, everyone. Guaranteed. Better get ready to break a nail of your own doing physical labor.

And what, praytell, is wrong with city dwellers taking care of their own parks? Perhaps when they have to invest their own sweat, they take care of the place.

Separate the girls from the women.

I rather like the whole scenario. Maybe people will actually come to value their work and the work of others, and cherish their family and friends more. Not a bad thing.

 
Comment by hip in zilker
2010-02-21 14:41:29

And what, praytell, is wrong with city dwellers taking care of their own parks?

Right. My neighborhood (Zilker) has a neighbor-maintained small park, which provides many with satisfaction.

And I should think the world could do with fewer police helicopters.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 17:58:49

“I guess we’re going to find out what the tolerance level is for people,”

Fire Dept’ total compensation package

Police Dept’ total compensation package

City worker’s total compensation package

County workers total compensation package

State workers total compensation package

I certainly hope so… :-)

 
Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-21 19:12:20

posted a couple of days ago how the 06488 dodged a bullet avoiding formation of an Independent police Department (we pay $1.4 million for police canine and dispatch per year—-Fire is volunteer) the calumet city article said they paid $10 million a year- twice the population and a poorer demographic, still completely unsustainable.
we have been following lower Hudson towns (outside of NYC)…their top 10 highest paid town employees are all cops $120 k plus….the “people” there seem a little ticked….there have beeen suggestions of “regionalizing” their law enforcement tasks……

 
 
 
Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 09:07:08

Absolutely correct.

FRankly, I’d be shocked if the next massive stimulus doesn’t go directly from D.C. to the state capitals.

What better way to get the masses to do what you want than by free-basing them with Insta-Cash in return for loss of independent decision-making ability? Just like an addiction! The politicians love it, ‘natch. Especially the Feds and their Washington minions.

Get ready California HBB posters! You will be Absorbed first. Argentina North / Washington D.C. West.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 17:41:06

“Get ready California HBB posters! You will be Absorbed first.”

Bring it on. I have maintained all along that California is (obviously) too big to fail.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 17:42:13

Qualification: I expect the Obamanomics Team players to hold out until a Democrat is in the governor’s office before dumping helicopter drops of liquidity on the Golden State.

 
Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 20:14:36

They may have a long wait.

You do realize that I’m saying that much more will be involved than helicopters full of cash - right? California will have to do whatever the Feds and czars say. Say goodbye to any remaining illusions of self-determination.

And expect retaliation against California by other states who’ve had enough of the Golden State’s golden showers.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Lip
2010-02-21 07:27:34

Rep. Ron Paul surprise winner of CPAC presidential straw poll

With participants naming “reducing the size of federal government” as their top issue, the 74-year old libertarian hero captured 31 percent of the 2,400 votes cast in the annual contest, usually seen as a barometer of how the GOP’s conservative wing regards their potential presidential candidates.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney finished second with 22 percent of the vote, ending a three-year winning streak at CPAC.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/02/20/conservatives.meeting/index.html?section=cnn_latest

How about the Paul/Romney ticket to take on BHO in 2012? Sounds like a winning combination to me.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-21 07:56:01

Ron Paul is 74 years old. I just don’t see him running in 2012. It is sad but it appears that somebody else will need to carry the torch.

Comment by Lip
2010-02-21 11:47:43

True, he would be about 10 yrs older than Reagan when he was first elected, but who else has a track record that’s anywhere close to what he’d been talking about.

IMO opinion people are PO’d enough to elect him anyway.

 
 
Comment by Groundhogday
2010-02-21 08:04:45

I love Paul’s straight talk even if I don’t agree with all of his positions. But he stands zero chance of getting the GOP nomination. He is far too critical of many mainline pseudo-conservative and neo-conservative positions.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-02-21 08:16:36

Yeah, he’s not so hot on the cash cow perpetual war concept - he’s a non-starter - sadly.

 
Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-21 09:03:02

i really hope his support grows.

fox news looked really uncomfortable talking about him.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-02-21 10:52:21

Drop the Romney and I am in…How about Paul/Bloomberg ??

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 11:02:18

I’d go for Paul/Romney. But I don’t think Romney would be willing to become Ron Paul’s ’strange bedfellow,’ based on what I have heard through the grape vine.

Of course, this would be considerably less ’strange’ than McCain/Palin!

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-21 13:37:50

Paul/Palin?

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Comment by packman
2010-02-21 14:28:12

Paul/Issa

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-21 13:57:31

A couple of relevant facts. First, only 2400 of the 10,000 CPAC attendees actually voted, and most of those who did were the young people. RP brought a strong contingent to CPAC and they all voted. Young people, who are being stuck with the bills for the sins of their elders, are especially receptive to Ron Paul’s message of sound money and limited government.

However, the uselessness of CPAC and the so-called “conservatives” in attendance can be ascertained from the exultant welcome they gave Dick Cheney and Sarah Palin - political disasters masquerading as conservatives.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-21 14:39:30

Palin/Paul? Bring them all together.

Sound money? You betcha!

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-02-21 17:38:13

Palin endorsed Ron Paul’s son, Rand (also a medical doctor) who is running for the U.S. Senate from Kentucky. So I respect her for that. But a Palin/Paul ticket would never happen. She may fool the GOP faithful, who apparently form the first rank of our national march to IDIOCRACY. But she doesn’t fool most RP supporters.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-21 19:06:17

But she doesn’t fool most RP supporters.

I hope you’re right.

 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 16:50:57

Hwy’s postcard to the Woman upstairs:

“Please manifest a miracle: Palin / Jeb III 2012!” ;-)

 
 
 
Comment by Left Ohio
2010-02-21 08:08:36

From the Atlantic Monthly:

How a New Jobless Era Will Transform America

The Great Recession may be over, but this era of high joblessness is probably just beginning. Before it ends, it will likely change the life course and character of a generation of young adults. It will leave an indelible imprint on many blue-collar men. It could cripple marriage as an institution in many communities. It may already be plunging many inner cities into a despair not seen for decades. Ultimately, it is likely to warp our politics, our culture, and the character of our society for years to come.

theatlantic DOT com/doc/201003/jobless-america-future

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 09:24:35

DUH!!! We’ve been talking about the social toll of this hyper-crapola for 4-5 years now.

Now they catch up and they think they are oh-so-original?

Well, F-you and the horse you rode in on, Atlantic Monthly, you’re a buncha journalistic whores who wouldn’t know insight if it was giving handjobs to your grandfather on the side of the road.

Comment by scdave
2010-02-21 11:46:13

The Cat on the attack…I like it… :)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 11:54:13

“…a buncha journalistic whores…”

That’s one area where the U.S. has no discernible shortage…

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-02-21 12:57:58

Seems to me they be reading the HB blog and plagerizing what has been discussed here. Arrrrrrrrrrrrgh.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 16:47:28

That’s why I post here so much. I figure there is a large potential contribution here to the quality of MSM reporting…

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 16:55:03

I don’t think that Faux News & WSJ = MUrDoch’s “True Chupacabra™” will ever pay the Brothers Warner royalties for this actors quote:

Daffy Duck: “Consequences, Schmonsequences, as long as I’m rich.” ;-)

 
 
 
Comment by jessman
2010-02-21 14:56:05

You do realize journalism isn’t about predicting the future. It’s about reporting the here and now and past.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 17:09:12

“Old news is no news.” :lol:

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 09:39:53

As long as real estate keeps going up, why does any of this even matter?

TARP Funds To Go To Hardest-Hit States

By MortgageOrb dot com on Friday 19 February 2010

The Obama administration has announced plans to channel $1.5 billion of unused TARP money to state housing finance agencies (HFAs) as part of a market stabilization effort targeting states that have seen the steepest price declines.

Obama, alongside Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is scheduled to speak about the initiative today in Nevada.

States where house prices have fallen more than 20% from their peak will be eligible for this funding, according to a post on the White House blog from Treasury Department policy advisor Sarah Apsel.

Comment by Don't Know Nothin About Buyin No House
2010-02-21 10:40:58

Have to wonder how strictly controlled the use of the funds will be. How is Harry going stop Las Vegas from using the dough to pay city services, pensions this and that rather than giving to housing? I bet it becomes a black hole once these funds are allocated to a state.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 17:07:55

Here’s how it will transform America:

We will secure and remain the nation with the highest prison population and stay in the top 5 of nations with the highest income disparity.

Hooray!

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 17:10:59

“…It will leave an indelible imprint on many blue-collar men. It could cripple marriage as an institution in many communities. It may already be plunging many inner cities into a despair not seen for decades….”

Where have these guys been for the last 30 years? Talk about sheltered. :roll:

 
 
Comment by Left Ohio
2010-02-21 08:10:46

In today’s NYT:

The New Poor
Millions of Unemployed Face Years Without Jobs

Even as the American economy shows tentative signs of a rebound, the human toll of the recession continues to mount, with millions of Americans remaining out of work, out of savings and nearing the end of their unemployment benefits.

Economists fear that the nascent recovery will leave more people behind than in past recessions, failing to create jobs in sufficient numbers to absorb the record-setting ranks of the long-term unemployed.

Call them the new poor: people long accustomed to the comforts of middle-class life who are now relying on public assistance for the first time in their lives — potentially for years to come.

nytimes DOT com/2010/02/21/business/economy/21unemployed.html

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 09:20:34

These people were ALWAYS unemployable. They have absolutely no marketable skills. That the boom masked this fact is purely an accident of history.

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-21 11:44:56

These people were ALWAYS unemployable. They have absolutely no marketable skills. That the boom masked this fact is purely an accident of history.

I think it’s goes deeper than the “boom” masking facts.

Even without booms, the US has mostly always provided jobs to people with few marketable skills. Even those kinds of jobs are very hard to find now. That’s the difference.

We might scoff at those less marketable than us but in a sense we’ve all been betrayed by Banks, Wall Street their politicians.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 12:31:11

Who cares if unemployable people are unemployable? Maybe you do because you are one of them but I sure don’t.

F’-em!!! I hope they are reduced to exactly the status of the third-world beggars I have seen. Why should Americans be better than the Chinese or the Kenyans or the Indians or the Vietnamese?

F’- these losers who think that winning the geographic lottery gets them a free ride in life.

I wanna see these bee-yatches give handjobs on the highway for pennies!!!!

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Comment by SUGuy
2010-02-21 13:50:30

+ A Gazzillion. Spot on Faster. You have said it so accurately. It’s over for the west. They haven’t yet figured it out.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-21 14:03:01

F’-em!!! I hope they are reduced to exactly the status of the third-world beggars I have seen. I wanna see these bee-yatches give handjobs on the highway for pennies!!!!

Why should Americans be better than the Chinese or the Kenyans or the Indians or the Vietnamese?

Because Americans are nice people. You can tell by our posts and stuff.

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-21 14:14:51

It’s over for the west. They haven’t yet figured it out.

It ain’t over yet. It could be turned around and it’s not conceptually difficult . All we have to do is stop outsourcing, lessen the cost of higher education and reinvigorate our manufacturing base by applying higher tariffs and then invest in manufacturing like other countries do. Come on, if Brazil can support domestic manufacturing and businesses we damn sure can too.

Even with the above changes, USA will face a lower standard of living in “stuff” but stuff isn’t everything.

So to play on your above quote, I’d say it’s over for the west IF we don’t figure it out.

If we do figure out what we need to do, it will not be over, different but not over.

 
Comment by SUGuy
2010-02-21 14:46:28

It ain’t over yet. It could be turned around and it’s not conceptually difficult . All we have to do is stop outsourcing, lessen the cost of higher education and reinvigorate our manufacturing base by applying higher tariffs and then invest in manufacturing like other countries do. Come on, if Brazil can support domestic manufacturing and businesses we damn sure can too.

You are missing the point. China, India and others in the hemisphere won’t be giving up their manufacturing, higher education. Once the chindians have tasted the good life they will not give it up. 60 percent of Scientists are foreign born. Americans are not interested in engineering and mathematical fields. Look at any US university most engineering and science related degrees go to the foreigners. Your post reminds me of this old saying.

If wishes were horses then beggars would ride,
If turnips were swords I’d have one by my side.
If ‘ifs’ and ‘ands’ were pots and pans
There would be no need for tinkers hands!

I say it’s over. Time will tell. I am willing to bet an ice cold coke.

 
Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-21 16:59:43

If the queen had two, she’d be the king.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 17:01:12

“Americans are not interested in engineering and mathematical fields.”

lol,… Let’s look at American Financial & Military WMD’s!

BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™) :-)

 
Comment by measton
2010-02-21 20:14:52

You are missing the point. China, India and others in the hemisphere won’t be giving up their manufacturing, higher education. Once the chindians have tasted the good life they will not give it up. 60 percent of Scientists are foreign born. Americans are not interested in engineering and mathematical fields. Look at any US university most engineering and science related degrees go to the foreigners. Your post reminds me of this old saying.

Americans are not interested in these jobs because
1. They have become a commodity with a race to the bottom in terms of pay, and respect. If you’re smart why risk getting outsourced, go to wall street.
2. Our gov dollar policy trade policy and interest rate policy put Americans who work at a huge disadvantage. Why go to college when you can make money as a speculator or someone who sells services to people who were extracting bubble money out of their house?

I’d like a few of the posters on this board who bash unemployed Americans to enlighten us on their worthy skills. I’d like to point out that there are a lot of US engineers, CS people, people with great educations, and people with great work ethics unemployed in this country. For all of them I say FU.

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-02-21 11:45:22

Some of them are, but they aren’t all deadwood. I personally know folks with technical degrees who can’t find work.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 13:25:47

I’ll grant this point.

I know a few talented folk that can’t find work. In a totally narrow scope, the folk I know won’t get off their high-horses to take jobs that are “beneath them”.

But that doesn’t invalidate the general point which is that when the “Musical Chairs” ended, some really good people found themselves without a seat.

My advice to those people would be to be aggressive, and keep trying. Many of these people lack this aggressive personality type in which case I have no more rational advice for them. They are kinda screwed.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 14:26:23

You really don’t get out much, do you? You really need to join the unemployment rolls for a few months to gain a little perspective.

I got the opportunity last July. Along with my extensive experience, I’m single, don’t own a home, and could easily relocate.

I sent out over 400 resumes. Didn’t get a single call, much less an actual interview.

The essential fact is that 40% of the civilian economy disappeared between September 2008 and December 2009. I didn’t participate in the housing bubble economy, but was affected none the less.

As usual, my new job came about because of my “network”. It’s a “part-time” job that is currently having me work “full time” hours (worked 8 hour plus days 15 days straight). Took a little bit of a hit on pay, and of course, no overtime pay. But it’s a start-up operation that can use someone like me, and it may turn into something better in a few months, or a year or two. If nothing else, it will pay the bills, and get me into a city where there are more job opportunities.

Being “aggressive” and “keep trying” had nothing to do with it. And it never has. It’s always been about having a decent work rep, and knowing someone who knew me, who knows someone else. I’m a old guy, and I know a lot of people in this business. Even so, I was out of work for six months.

I feel really bad for the young guys just starting out. They have no “network” to speak of, and haven’t been around long enough to have their “BS Detectors” fine tuned.

This whole Wall Street/FBer/NAR mess would be almost comical, if it weren’t for the real damage it’s doing to our nation’s ability to function, and the waste in people.

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 14:31:35

The people brought it on themselves. Without a buncha credit borrowers, there would be no credit pushers.

You are full of it!

 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-21 14:39:52

You are full of it!

Gosh, were you on the debate team or something?

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 14:42:29

Incidentally, X-GSGuy, as I recall, you are a maintenance-man for private aircraft. Gulfstream’s, one would assume, from your name.

There was never any need for many “private aircraft maintenance men”.

You’re the ultimate bubble-beneficiary and now that the rug has disappeared, you are full of it!

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 15:42:38

Actually, I’m back into Dassault Falcons now, with a little Cessna Citation 650 on the side.

You obviously don’t know how a lot of these airplanes are used. Many are operated by small companies based out of towns in Flyover Country, that have non-existant airline service. A lot of companies that have their HQs in small-town USA are able to stay there (instead of increasing the urban sprawl in LA, NY, Chicago, Atlanta), because they fly their airplanes to their customers, regional facilities, etc.

My previous employer acquired a company in Sacramento. They were able to do business trips in one day, instead of taking three, by using their airplane. Which means they didn’t need to spend two extra days on traveling by airline (no direct flights to Sac-town), meals, rental cars, hotels, etc.

And were not even counting the difference in payscales between Flyover vs. NYC.

A lot of people are still breathing instead of watching grass grow from the wrong direction due to air ambulances. Most of which are King Airs, or bizjets.

As far as whether I’m “needed”; all I can tell you is that if you have a 5-45 million dollar piece of equipment on your books, it behooves you to have someone on the payroll that is responsible for the maintenance and upkeep. Missed trips are expensive. Just having “good” maintenance logs vs. “bad” logs can cost you about a quarter of a million bucks, come trade in/resell time.

As my previous employer is finding out, as we speak. Seems that firing your mechanic and letting the airplane sit unattended for six months is bad for the resale value.

So……..what do YOU do that is so “neccesary” to our economy?

 
Comment by cougar91
2010-02-21 16:05:14

> Gosh, were you on the debate team or something?

FPSS has the tendency to disappear for a few weeks, then come back for a day or two (usually over a weekend) and then blast all of HBB to hell as he see fits. He doesn’t care who gets in the way. I only know because I been on the receiving end of his tirade a couple of times the last year or so.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 17:17:52

“…There was never any need for many “private aircraft maintenance men”….”

Okay, you’re way, way out of your depth here.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 17:20:22

He/she doesn’t bother me, other than the fact that they don’t defend their ideas with anything other than talking points. That, and recognizing that other people’s experiences may lead them to believe a little differently than you.

A little less liberal/conservative dogma, and a lot more common sense would go a long ways, nowadays.

 
Comment by Silverback1011
2010-02-21 21:27:55

FPSS is smarter, faster, and more grandiose than almost anyone else on the HBB. He/she ( I think she’s a she ) will be the first to tell ya so. No one else’s problems or or experiences or issues have any relevance upon her opinions. All of the foregoing is per the usual. All is so much crap, in my opinion. I look forward to the usual singe session to come.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 22:24:31

“…the tendency to disappear for a few weeks, then come back for a day or two (usually over a weekend) and then blast all of HBB to hell as he see fits.”

Typical Chicago School mojo…

Y’all should learn to enjoy this, as he always delivers fresh energy with his posts.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 17:15:01

I know people with very good resumes and years (decade plus) of serious executive experience with Fortune 100 companies… who are having trouble finding work.

THERE ARE NO JOBS. We shipped them overseas years ago.

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Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-02-21 18:35:53

This is only anecdotal, but an awful lot of people I know have college graduate kids who got jobs this year. I don’t think their pay is even lower. One took an apt on Beacon Hill in Boston. Another bought a condo in Charlestown. Another head off to DC, I think Georgetown. Two more went to Wall Street (don’t know where they live). The common industry in all cases: Finance.

 
Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 20:49:20

Wrong. We didn’t ship them overseas in any real quantity. There’s plenty of positions at the top. The trouble? Instead of stepping down, those aged 65+ are staying at their jobs.

Ask most people aged 42-55. They’ll cite this as a chief cause of their ongoing struggle, almost without fail. It’s an issue of demographics. It’s always been this way for people of this age bracket. When they were in their 20s, they got paid less than their predecessors in real dollars. Ditto when they were 35. Same when they were 45. Same today.

By the time today’s eldest drop dead, many in this group will be too old to take the reins.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-22 16:14:03

You call millions “not any real quantity?”

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 09:31:56

Sadly, the SD Union-Tribune has changed their web site to make it far more difficult if not impossible to post links to articles in their current dead tree edition. But they have not yet figured out how to stop me from typing on my laptop keyboard and hitting the “Add comment” button.

The most important potential strategy for saving big money on your home mortgage is completely omitted from this article:

DON’T GET A HOME MORTGAGE.

The San Diego Union-Tribune
Sunday, February 21, 2010

Housing Scene
LEW SICHELMAN

Count the ways to save big money on your home mortgage

WASHINGTON — There are dozens of ways to make your housing investment pay off faster and at a greater return. In some cases, a small extra outlay may be required, sometimes every month, but the added expense is often pocket change when compared with the available savings.

Your mortgage is typically your largest monthly expense. Therefore, it offers perhaps the largest single source of potential savings:


* Extra payments.

* Private mortgage insurance.

* Refinancing.

* Property taxes.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 09:58:37

The graphs on this huge post speak volumes about how far along we are and how much further we have to go in the return from bubble-era housing valuations.

And I am glad that Ritholtz points out the close resemblance of many economists’ perspectives to religious faith. A little more grounding in data-based reality and a lot less faith-based conviction would do much for the economics profession’s reputation.

Homes: Still Too Pricey to Stabilize
By Barry Ritholtz - February 18th, 2009, 12:34PM

The Obama plan is a little better than I expected, but it still dances around an issue that is sacrilegious to many economists: Home prices are still way too high for any stabilization and/or housing bottom to form.

While houses are not nearly as wildly over-priced as they were one or two years ago, they are still too high by most valuation metrics. Propping up home prices and the desperate attempt to forestall foreclosures only serve to delay this inevitable process. To effect a stabilization, housing bottom and recovery, overpriced assets need to fall even further.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 10:32:13

To believe the data you must believe in the value of “fundamental analysis” in the first place. That prices must be commensurate with rents, and rents commensurate with incomes is basically a Graham & Dodd valuation analysis.

If all prices are “efficient” all the time then I suppose we need not bother with such boring things as accounting and valuation.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 10:54:11

I am no hard core true believer in “fundamental analysis” or “efficient market theory.” However, I do believe that fundamentals matter in the long run, and that the magnitude of correction necessary to restore prices to trend depends directly on the degree to which a mania drives a wedge between fundamental prices and bubble valuations. From this standpoint, I believe like Ritholtz that there is still a lot of air between current residential real estate valuations and the ground.

Whether the Shock and Awe of overwhelming financial engineering fire power from the Obamanomics Team will succeed in supporting housing valuations that are still a bit frothy remains to be seen.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 17:33:58

What Chicago School scholars seem to have sorely neglected is the length to which the government is willing to go towards mucking up the natural workings of the invisible hand. There is plenty of money to be made on Wall Street through government sponsored, financially engineered market distortions.

Like you didn’t know that already…

Further, the whole government/private sector dichotomy, over which the Chicago folks like to endlessly rant, appears to have been exposed by the current episode as a chimera. The private sector is a hobgoblin of some Heritage Foundation academic researcher’s imagination, as big government and Wall Street have merged into one and the same global hedge fund operation.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 10:59:37

One more thing: With the myriad, ever-increasing layers of subsidy the U.S. federal government has directed at real estate over the past fifty+ years, is there any surprise whatever that U.S. housing values became fundamentally unhinged from household incomes?

I don’t hear anyone in Washington acknowledging this rather obvious explanation for how housing got ridiculously overvalued from an “end user” perspective…

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 11:15:30

I don’t give a sheeeeeeeeeyat, PB!

I leave public crusading to the “hope now”-kinda people. I’m a Graham & Dodd-kinda guy.

Over the years, and my age is quite solidly modest compared to yours, I have learned that people don’t want to learn. So, F-them!!!

I’ll stick to numbers, facts, and the people that stick to numbers and facts.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 17:26:28

Just to clarify, are you suggesting the current government interventions underway will not work? If so, what will stop them, given they have a virtual fiat money printing press and they don’t seem to believe in the existence of macroeconomic budget constraints?

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 17:37:36

The funneling mechanism (= where does money flow) I have said this repeatedly.

You need air more than you need water and food which you need more than housing.

So, print money and you inflate commodities which will collapse housing faster than a badly-made souffle.

All roads lead to deflation. I know how microeconomic budged constraints work!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 19:26:38

“I know how microeconomic budget constraints work!”

Are you eligible to work at the Fed? They need you, pal…

 
Comment by packman
2010-02-21 20:32:43

So, print money and you inflate commodities which will collapse housing faster than a badly-made souffle.

Your implication that printed money inflates commodities implies a cause of inflation protection, does it not? Why wouldn’t housing also fall into that category? Especially if a very, very big chunk of that printed money was specifically targeted at housing?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 22:21:26

Thanks, packman, for reiterating my point about how the helicopter drops are currently funneled directly into housing. Wouldn’t this tend to have the effect of propping up prices, FPSS?

I guess my question is not so much about the obvious short term effect, but rather about whether this targeted housing helicopter drop intervention is sustainable…

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by hip in zilker
2010-02-21 09:59:16

When an investor shows up in your office with a gun in her hand….

On Dec. 15, Barton transferred, for a total price of $10, three vehicles to his wife Suzanne’s name: a 2006 Dodge Ram Mega Cab truck; a 2008 BMW touring motorcycle; and a 2005 Steed, a specialized chopper motorcycle that can sell for up to $40,000 new. Barton handed over sole ownership of a 2008 Cadillac Escalade to his wife in exchange for her assuming its loan payments, Travis County property records show.
Barton also took his name off the deed for the couple’s house in Austin’s gated Uplands neighborhood, which tax records show is valued at $644,000. It is now in his wife’s name only. A day later, property records in Hays County show, he transferred a 50-acre ranch assessed at $651,000 and owned jointly by the couple to her name only.
The sale price for each of the homes, according to the bills of sale: “Love of, and affection for, Grantee.” All told, Barton erased his name from property totaling nearly $1.4 million.

………

Barton, the CEO of Triton Financial, would have known the company was on shaky ground when he removed his name from the properties. On Dec. 11, a woman had confronted him in his office with a gun, distraught over what she said was the loss of her $125,000 investment. In the days leading up to the transfers, investors filed three separate lawsuits against Triton, charging that Barton had mishandled their money.

……….

Even investors who now worry that they will lose money through their connection with Kurt Barton agree that the founder and CEO of Triton Financial appeared to know his real estate, at least early on.
In 2004 and 2005, Joe Straubhaar invested in several apartment complexes Barton had purchased in and around Austin. The deals, in which Barton quickly rehabbed the properties and sold them, paid out returns as high as 15 percent, Straubhaar said.
He added that such successes inspired confidence in Barton as a money manager. Most of the profits Barton told him he’d earned were poured back into new deals.
“He seemed to have a good eye for such properties,” Straubhaar said, adding that much of the several hundred thousand dollars he invested with Barton now appears gone.
“He would find some distressed property and buy it at the right price,” said Greg Gill, a California investor who said that in 2006 he purchased a 20 percent interest in an office building west of Austin that Barton renamed Triton Plaza. “It’s been a real successful project.”
Gill said that success convinced him to invest more money with Triton. “He seemed to me he was real, and he proved he was,” Gill said.
Now, however, Gill said he stands to lose money, although he declined to specify how much.

……….

With the economy still recovering from a recession, selling Triton’s remaining properties may not be as simple.
“It’s certainly not a great time to sell a piece of real estate,” Gill said.
One possible consolation: Last year, the Internal Revenue Service modified its rules to give a tax break to people who lost money in a “fraudulent investment” and “Madoff-type” schemes. Triton’s “investors may qualify to take the special tax treatment,” according to a Web site set up by Harr to communicate with Barton’s investors.

Austin American Statesman headline: As regulators closed in, Triton CEO moved property to wife

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-21 15:50:35

Lol. They kind of gloss over the investor with the gun, like it’s a normal part of going broke. Too bad she didn’t shoot him. The headline could have been Barton Springs a Leak.
(Hey, hip! Haven’t ’seen’ you around lately. Did your greenhouse tomatoes weather the winter?)

Comment by hip in zilker
2010-02-21 16:52:06

Too bad she didn’t shoot him. The headline could have been Barton Springs a Leak. lol

My fall tomatoes weren’t in a greenhouse and since (after our horrendously hot drought-blighted summer) it got cold early and froze early, none came near ripening. I guess fall tomatoes are kind of a gamble anyway and I hadn’t planted quick-maturing varieties - that’s why I asked for green tomato suggestions on here. I saved the green tomato recipes, but being out of town most of the time I didn’t get around to harvesting and eating any of the green tomatoes even though there were a lot of them. Too bad.

All I’m harvesting these days are dill, Swiss chard, and celery leaf. This spring I’m going to add another raised bed and will probably make one of those “half-hoops and plastic arrangements” greenhouse-y beds in the fall. Lots of people in my neighborhood seem to have been harvesting greens from them all winter.

My nursery already has early tomato transplants. They suggest planting them in larger pots, putting them outside to harden off when it’s warm and bringing them in when it goes below 40. Then when frost danger is past you have a large transplant and you start harvesting weeks earlier than usual. I might try it, but it would be easier in a house with a spare room… We live in a small house, so I’d have to bring the plants in and put them in the middle of the living room or under my desk or something.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-21 17:50:53

I usually put a few tomato plants in the ground (ideally in a sheltered, sunny spot) about a month before our final frost date and just throw a blanket over them if it gets too cold. Usually works and gives me a good early start and at worst I’m out a few seedlings. Easier than moving pots in and out. Around here (central Ky) most people are happy to harvest a ripe tomato by the 4th of July- but I always shoot for a few weeks earlier. I like a challenge.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 17:24:37

I once worked with some flippers that were very good. They taught me a lot.

But they definitely had a blind side when it came to bad news or news that wasn’t just super positive. This often cost them money.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 10:08:43

I thought the home buyer tax credit was scheduled to expire on April 30, 2010. Has it already been extended again? And will the tax credit expiration date be repeatedly pushed out from here to eternity?

Anyway, it looks like real estate fraudsters now can at least enjoy bilking the IRS out of home buyer tax credit money through June 30, 2010.

Friday, February 19, 2010

IRS’ Housing Credit Checks
by Ken Harney

WASHINGTON — Despite back-to-back blizzards that shut federal offices for days, the IRS issued new guidance last week on the two tax credit programs that are powering the country’s real estate markets — the $6,500 credit for repeat buyers, and the $8,000 first-time buyer credit.

The new IRS policy clarified documentation that taxpayers need to submit to successfully obtain either credit. When Congress revised the credit programs last November, it ordered the IRS to tighten its rules and monitoring to curtail widespread frauds that had emerged earlier in 2009.

These included fictitious home purchases where people claimed and received $8,000 checks from the government on transactions that had never occurred. In some cases, federal auditors found that fraud ringleaders were submitting multiple claims for credits and splitting the government payouts with people who had no financial ability to buy a house.

To avoid such abuses in the revised credit program — which is scheduled to be available for qualified purchases closed through June 30 — Congress directed the IRS to spell out documentation standards in detail and to install monitoring systems to spot fraud upfront. Among the keys to the monitoring system is that all documentation accompanying credit claims must comply with IRS’ detailed rules.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 10:56:43

From the WSJ article linked above:

What other limits does the credit have? Toddlers are out of luck. Last week’s congressional hearings spotlighted concerns about misuse of the credit, including some 500 tax filers under age 18 who had claimed the credit.”

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 10:32:14

In retrospect, wouldn’t it have been a lot smarter to first take stock of the scope of the real estate collapse, before presuming that some kind of quick fix program could largely offset the damaging financial effects of a collapsing bubble?

Can’t say the HBB didn’t offer fair warning…

A year later, reality sets in on housing fixes
Mortgages » Government aid program fails to deliver.

By Alan Zibel

The Associated Press
Updated: 02/19/2010 05:16:51 PM MST

A vacant home surrounded by a chain link fence, carrying a “bank owned”… (The Associated Press)

Washington »

The new president climbed aboard Air Force One a year ago for a trip to Phoenix to reveal his strategy for attacking the housing crisis. It was a signal moment in the buoyant early days of Barack Obama’s administration.

The plan, Obama told a cheering audience, would keep as many as 9 million people in their homes by lowering their monthly mortgage payments. The program wouldn’t save every home, Obama cautioned, but few people paid attention. Not with Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner saying things like, “You’ll start to see the effects quite quickly.”

Ambition, though, got far ahead of reality.

The numbers show a program that is failing to deliver, at least at this point. About 116,000 homeowners out of an initial 1 million who were targeted have had their loans modified to reduce their monthly payments, the Treasury Department said Wednesday. Only about $15 million in incentive money has been paid to more than 100 participating mortgage companies. That’s 0.02 percent of the $75 billion available.

Now the administration is changing the way it measures success by counting the number offered help rather than those who get actual modifications. “We didn’t say all of them were going to succeed,” says Michael Barr, an assistant Treasury secretary, who helped develop the plan.

We were attempting to set realistic expectations, but I think we failed to do so.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 10:35:33

Decaying apartments symptom of housing crisis

In this Feb. 11, 2010 photo, Mary Fountain goes through a file full of papers that document the numerous violations at her apartment in New York. This Bronx apartment building, where city housing violations have increased from 82 to nearly 600 in 16 months, is among thousands of rental properties from Los Angeles to Harlem showing a creeping decay as housing values collapse and funds for repairs dry up. (AP Photo/Seth Wenig) (Seth Wenig - AP)

In this Feb. 3, 2010 photo, Tatequa Aridi, 22, arrives home at the Riverton Houses apartment complex in New York. A judge has ordered the foreclosure sale of the historic middle-class Harlem apartment complex that plummeted in value amid the housing downturn. (AP Photo/Bebeto Matthews) (Bebeto Matthews - AP)

By SAMANTHA GROSS
The Associated Press
Sunday, February 21, 2010; 11:43 AM

NEW YORK — There was no heat or hot water, so for weeks Mary Fountain would fill a bowl and put it in the microwave, then strip off her extra layers to sponge herself clean.

Upstairs, her longtime neighbor, 70-year-old Gearaldine Davis, peers skeptically out at her balcony, hesitant to step onto the cracked concrete. The last time the city inspector came by, he told her he was afraid to walk out there.

This Bronx apartment building, where city housing violations have increased from 82 to nearly 600 in 16 months, is among thousands of rental properties from Los Angeles to Harlem showing a creeping decay as housing values collapse and funds for repairs dry up.

As landlords find themselves owing more than their properties are worth, some have simply walked away, leaving garbage to pile up. Others have disappeared into bankruptcy, with unpaid utility bills. Some have tried to reduce their losses by neglecting basic maintenance.

“There are 100,000 apartments teetering on the edge” in New York City alone, said Harold Shultz, senior fellow at the Citizens Housing and Planning Council. “And depending upon the way various winds blow, they could fall over.”

 
Comment by terry
2010-02-21 10:50:25

Last september, the Wisconsin legislature decided in its infinite wisdow, to increase the tax on a pack of cigarettes by 75 cents. Governor Doyle even stating that increasing the tax to do away with smoking is his goal. Well, here we are 6 months later and guess what? Headline, revenue from cigarette taxes down by 98 million, causing a budget deficit.
The great cry on cigarette taxes, is to use the money to pay for the increased health care smokers are dumping on the system. Stupid is as stupid does. Not only did the reduced consumption reduce the tax revenue, it also reduced the settlement agreement pay back to the state. less sale, less settlement money.
At what point, do they kill the golden goose? Only a small percentage of the tax money goes to health care. the rest goes to the ever expanding government. I’m all for this type of tax, but, use the tax as intended.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-02-21 10:56:28

The Wisconsin governor should be announcing, “Mission Accomplished.” Smoking is declining in Wisconsin, which was his stated goal.

Comment by combotechie
2010-02-21 11:43:22

“Smoking is declining in Wisconsin, which was his stated goal.”

Maybe it’s declining, maybe not. Maybe there’s a lot of tax cheating is going on.

Other metrics need to be brought in order to fully understand what is going on.

Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 14:42:33

Perhaps lots of cigarettes are illegally crossing borders.

Hey - this kind of thing was in vogue 7-10, as truckloads of cigarettes traveled from North Carolina to NYC. Could be it’s still en vogue.

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Comment by measton
2010-02-21 20:26:55

It’s declining trust me.
In the long run it will reduce medicaid costs, and people will have more money to spend on other things in wisconsin.

It’s a winner.

I think drugs should be handled this way as well. Legalize them and tax the crap out of them.

 
 
 
Comment by Lip
2010-02-21 11:51:46

Rather, people are buying their cigarettes in IL, MN, or the black market.

Comment by measton
2010-02-21 20:28:31

Maybe some heavy smokers are, but you can bet that this tax is keeping many teens from starting,and getting many light to moderate smokers to quit.

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Comment by Muggy
2010-02-21 11:28:26

A house was listed (short sale) yesterday and we will be making an offer. My realtor said there has been tons of traffic on it. Sold in 06 for $370k, listed $250k, we will be offering $215k. I am 95% certain we will be outbid, but what the heck — my realtor is willing to write offers regardless (he thinks it’ll go for about $230k).

I can’t wait for the tax credit to go away and the FHA standards to tighten/costs go up. A lot of the other people we see at open houses are young couples with their parents. That really bugs me.

Comment by Muggy
2010-02-21 11:29:55

“A lot of the other people we see at open houses are young couples with their parents.”

Which I interpret as a lot of helicopter moms encouraging their kids to “get that $8,000!”

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-02-21 17:16:50

Suze Ormon had a fantastic rant aimed at broke people buying homes so they don’t miss out on the tax credit. It was beautiful. I think she told one of her guest couples who really had no money at all that the first thing they needed to do was admit they were financial flakes.

 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-02-21 13:24:18

Good luck Muggy. I hope this works out for you and your family.

 
Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-02-21 15:05:37

Good luck Muggy. Hope you guys get it if its what you want.

“That really bugs me.”

I would agree. Portland is driving me nuts. I’ve been lurking in my old neighborhood and I’m amazed by the prices the youngsters are able/willing to pay when I search online for closings of various properties.

First I had to compete with morons without cash but ARM’d with crazy loans. Now, I have to compete with people whose parents just can’t help not helping their pretties get into the housing market. It’s uber-hip to say you live in Portland so there’s no price too steep it would seem. I want to believe in the teachings of combotechie but money seems to flow around here. Frustrating to the nth degree.

 
Comment by Muggy
2010-02-21 17:28:09

Offering $210k, bank will get it tomorrow and have until Tuesday 5pm to respond. I told my realtor no bidding wars and $215 is my stop.

This one has a ginormous lot — 1/2 acre, which is really big for Pinellas, which is why we’re making an offer. We love the house, but there’s plenty of others.

If they counter, I might actually tell my realtor to counter back at $209k HBB-style. :grin:

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-21 12:01:09

Joey,
I’m not in the minority in wanting more banking regulation. You are Joey.

“All in all, do you think it is a good idea or a bad idea for the government to more strictly regulate the way major financial companies do business?”

Good Idea 59%
Bad Idea 33%
Unsure 8%

Pew Research Center Poll. Feb. 3-9, 2010.

Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 14:37:58

I’m confused by this Republican position that the answer to the robber-barons that run banking is “less regulation”

Sorta like saying the answer to pedophiles, is lowering the “age of consent” to 8 years old.

That would “reduce” the size of the problem (on paper, at least).

Comment by packman
2010-02-21 15:09:34

Equating taking advantage of someone’s financial illiteracy with taking advantage of an 8-year-old - wow, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen such a bad straw man argument before, I have to say.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-21 15:24:20

“Sorta like…” he said, which makes it a simile, which is an expressed analogy. It is definitely not a straw man. In fact, your post is more of a straw man.

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Comment by packman
2010-02-21 15:36:39

Well - OK pardon me. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a bad simile before. The two aren’t even remotely similar - either in terms of effect or severity.

Not too many people believe that an 8-year-old is mature enough to make sexual decisions for themselves. However there’s a pretty large percentage of the population that does believe that less regulation for banking is a good, not bad, thing.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 15:54:08

A large percentage of the population in Nazi Germany believed burning Jews was “right”, too. (sorry, I’m lapsing into straw men, or similes again…..)

Just because a lot of people believe something doesn’t mean it’s right.

I’d just like someone to explain to me how giving Wall Street even more leeway to play their numbers games is going to make things better. I don’t think that is asking too much.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-21 16:09:52

The two aren’t even remotely similar - either in terms of effect or severity

But they are similar in the sense that a party has broken a law (or regulation) and caused damage, and the solution offered is to get rid of the law (or regulation). Thus it is, to me at least, a pretty reasonable simile.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-21 16:23:05

And the importance of the distinction b/n straw man and simile is that the former is an inherently illegitimate argument, while the latter is a quite legitimate argument. So it’s not like some little tiddle. You should be careful of using such a loaded term if you’re unsure of its definition.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 18:11:14

Perhaps “Republicans” and “sex offenders” should be googled before straw man accusations are made.

 
Comment by packman
2010-02-21 20:42:20

A large percentage of the population in Nazi Germany believed burning Jews was “right”, too.

Wrong. While Germans did have hatred of the Jews incited into them, the vast, vast majority of Germans had no clue what was going on in the death camps, and were quite shocked when they were paraded through the death camps after the war; done specifically to prove to them what a few of their fellow Germans were up to.

 
Comment by packman
2010-02-21 20:59:19

Boy you partisan hacks do like to pile on, don’t you? Let’s look at the original response again, shall we?

I’m confused by this Republican position that the answer to the robber-barons that run banking is “less regulation”

There we have a false assumption that less regulation is a “Republican” position. As we can see by the poll - it’s a majority position (59% to 33%), not a Republican position. Therefore X-GSfixer composed a strawman proponent of less regulation, being Republican. The poll didn’t mention Republican, at least not as mentioned in Rio’s post.

Sorta like saying the answer to pedophiles, is lowering the “age of consent” to 8 years old.

That would “reduce” the size of the problem (on paper, at least).

There we have the construction of a false logical conclusion; an argument that someone who is in favor of deregulation would also be in favor of reducing the age of consent; by virtue of them being roughly equivalent rectitude. Again however such a person is a false construct - no such person (or very rare if any) who believes in deregulation also believes in lowering the age of consent as a solution to pedophilia. Thus such a person is a falsely-constructed strawman.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 22:48:59

“…the vast, vast majority of Germans had no clue what was going on in the death camps, and were quite shocked when they were paraded through the death camps after the war; done specifically to prove to them what a few of their fellow Germans were up to.”

I wonder what the typical American would have to say upon receiving a free though obligatory tour of Abu Ghraib or Gitmo?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-22 05:03:21

Again however such a person is a false construct - no such person (or very rare if any) who believes in deregulation also believes in lowering the age of consent as a solution to pedophilia. Thus such a person is a falsely-constructed strawman.

Sigh. You still don’t get it. There was never the implication that a person who favors deregulation also favors lowering the age of consent. That’s your straw man. The point was that reducing regulation after a wholesale looting of our under-regulated financial system was similar to the idea of reducing the age of consent after many are caught violating it.

The ’solution’ offered to the crime is to make it no longer be a crime.

 
 
 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-02-21 16:09:40

I’m confused by this Republican position that the answer to the robber-barons that run banking is “less regulation”

Yes, you are confused. Let me help. First of all, deregulation is not a Republican position, as government regulation has never decreased in any significant way under Republican administrations.

Second, the rise of the robber-barons has occurred under regimes of increasing regulatory complexity. This suggests that simply piling on more regulations is like– what’s that definition of insanity again?

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-21 16:57:29

The original ‘robber-barons’ arose in an age of almost no regulation. The latter-day robber-barons arose in the days since we deregulated the financial system. Perceive a pattern?

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 16:58:42

…..government regulation has never increased in any significant way under Republicans….”

Really? You actually believe this? Not in my neck of the woods.

Republicans “regulate” just as much as Democrats. It’s just that they “regulate” different people.

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Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 17:11:13

And you haven’t answered my question.

Let’s say you applied your logic to my business; aviation. Would turning back the regulatory clock to 1930 or so in aviation make aviation “safer”?

My experience is that the guys who bitch the most about the “regs” are the guys who cut the most corners, and you wouldn’t want to fly with.

Aviation regulations came about because the public demanded that something be done to make flying safer. So there are regulations against actions/performance that has been demonstrated repeatedly to be detrimental to safety.

I’ll agree with one thing Let’s not pass any more regs, until we have adequate enforcement of those currently on the books. A reg with no enforcement is worse than no reg at all.

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-02-21 17:31:40

You misquoted my statement, which is leading to even more confusion.

Concerning aviation regs, I happen to be a licensed pilot though I haven’t flown in many years. To me, the FAA regs are a bare minimum necessary for safety, and I always applied an extra margin of safety on top of them. Of course there are plenty of pilots who violate the FARs, do stupid crap and wind up killing themselves and their passengers. JFK Jr. comes to mind, as well as a friend of a friend who killed himself and his 12-year-old son last fall by taking off VFR in IFR conditions. But then, the regs didn’t stop those idiots, did they?

 
Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-02-21 17:41:25

Let’s not pass any more regs, until we have adequate enforcement of those currently on the books. A reg with no enforcement is worse than no reg at all.

Bingo. This is my constant point here. Passing laws is easy; enforcing them consistently and fairly is hard. We as a country simply don’t have anywhere near the manpower that would be needed to properly administer the existing laws on the books. The legal system has reached such a degree of absolutely hideous byzantine complexity that probably 99% of it is completely counterproductive. The only reasonable solution is to downsize it to the point where intelligent laypersons (e.g. present company :) ) can grasp it all with a reasonable effort.

 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-02-21 17:51:40

I’m not talking Part 91 stuff. When you are flying yourself, you have a lot more leeway in how much “risk” you are going to take. I’m talking Part 121 or 135 “Fly for Hire”.

And you are right, the FAA regs are a minimum standard. But there are a lot of people out there that think they are “excessive”.

Which is why I don’t work on “little” airplanes. Too many amateurs/corner cutters/cheapskates operating them. Most of the mechs/shops I know that specialize in them have been sued on multiple occasions, not because they did anything wrong, but they are the only guys carrying any insurance.

Like musical chairs, the last guy that worked on it is the one that gets sued if there is a fatal crash.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 18:14:45

So repeal of the Glass / Steagal Act was not deregulation?

How about all that airline deregulation in the 80s?

You might seriously want to google “deregulation” before you make absurd claims that there hasn’t been any.

 
Comment by JDinCT
2010-02-21 18:49:05

if we end the bailouts — or the expectation of a bailout — as well as the freebies along the way, the problem would take care if itself (i.e. retirn to peudent lending standards)

living in (a sort of) reality, we know that isn’t true so we need to make new rules that make things “fair”

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-22 05:14:25

Were there expectations of bailouts in 1929?

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 17:35:24

You guys sure make things complicated… ;-)

Wall St. Financials / Insurance company / Banker

Alcoholic / Money/ Alcohol

You can regulate them INDIVIDUALLY…easy.
But what happens when you allow all three to be COMBINED with faux regulation?

Some Corporations/People really do have “Separation Anxiety” :-)

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Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 17:48:01

Do not insult alcohol otherwise I will really have to get medieval on your @ss!!! ;-)

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 18:53:32

Me? insult, why good sir…

BWAHAHAHicHAHAHicHAHAHAHAHicHAHAHic* (DennisN™)

 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-02-21 18:09:21

“…Sorta like saying the answer to pedophiles, is lowering the “age of consent” to 8 years old…”

Funny you mention that and Republicans in the same post. :lol:

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-02-21 19:22:04

I would Google “democrat pedophiles” but I’m afraid of what might turn up.

…but I can’t help myself.. I’m a search junkie!

—-
omg.. jeeze.. whew! What?? Holy… moly..

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Comment by packman
2010-02-21 19:35:20

P.S. w/regards to Republicans supposedly driving deregulation - you do realize that the primary piece of deregulation legislation - the repeal of Glass-Steagall - was largely driven by a Democrat - Robert Rubin, in order to validate the marriage of Travelers and Citibank for his secretly-negotiated position there - right? Right?

And that it was signed off by a Democratic president - right?

Right?

Not that I’m excusing Republicans - they certainly played a role. It just really annoys me to constantly see obvious partisan hacksmanship. Really, really annoys me.

Comment by measton
2010-02-21 20:34:39

Partisans

The repeal of Glass Steagle was as bipartisan as most of the gifts to the oligarchs. Gramm pushed it through republican congress, and good old Clinton signed it.

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Comment by packman
2010-02-21 21:06:51

That’s my point. Certain Dem party hacks on this board like to try to paint deregulation, particularly this bill since it’s the key one of the whole housing bubble, as a Republican-only thing, when in reality it just isn’t true.

 
 
 
Comment by packman
2010-02-21 21:21:20

Regarding robber barons, here’s a few tidbits:

Standard Oil - of course the #1 “robber baron” of all time, the very crux of the Sherman Anti-trust act. From Wikipedia:
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Standard’s actions and secret[citation needed] transport deals helped its kerosene price to drop from 58 to 26 cents from 1865 to 1870. Competitors disliked the company’s business practices, but consumers liked the lower prices.

Standard Oil’s market position was initially established through an emphasis on efficiency and responsibility. While most companies dumped gasoline in rivers (this was before the automobile was popular), Standard used it to fuel its machines. While other companies’ refineries piled mountains of heavy waste, Rockefeller found ways to sell it. For example, Standard created the first synthetic competitor for beeswax and bought the company that invented and produced Vaseline, the Chesebrough Manufacturing Company, which was a Standard company only from 1908 until 1911.
————————————-
Hmmm… maybe this big old monopoly wasn’t such a bad thing after all?

Not that I’m a big fan of monopolies - certainly many practices are undesirable and have to be held in check. But in general:
- They’re not as bad as most people make them out to be
- Their monopolistic practices weren’t as commonplace, and “put up with” as most people think
- Most importantly by far IMO - the evilness of monopolies is just a big giant red herring, detracting from the REAL problem, which is using political influence and fraud - neither of which require a monopoly to occur.

It’s worth pointing out that the Sherman Antitrust Act and Glass-Steagall are quite unrelated actually. A bank does not need to be a monopoly - or even a near-monopoly - in order to be a problem if its investment and banking units are too intertwined.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 17:37:35

Joey and Eddie = all-time HBB straw man creation gold medalists / world record holders

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-02-21 21:29:00

hey bear.. you see that fed discount rate increase the other day? It’s like the fed thinks the economy is recovering. From the reaction, it seems the non-property markets agree.
I wonder what Eddie would have to say about it.

Throw one of your trolling lines towards Eddie’s hideout and see if you can snag him.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 22:18:20

I’ll happily leave the trolling to you, as you are far better at it than I could ever hope to be.

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Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-21 22:24:36

I wonder what Eddie would have to say about it.

He’d say something like this maybe?

It’s like the fed thinks the economy is recovering. From the reaction, it seems the non-property markets agree. I wonder what Eddie would have to say about it.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-22 00:03:11

Joey/Eddie straw man caricature technique number 999 (aimed at whichever HBB regular they want to razz):

“You da troll.”

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-02-21 19:08:10

Rio,

“The proof of th’ pudding’s seen i’ the eating.” — Nicolas Boileau-Despréaux

 
 
Comment by Dan
2010-02-21 13:24:03

According to the Yahoo News story, apartment buildings are falling into disrepair and foreclosure as well. While renters have made the smarter choice recently, I worry that many more renters are going to be ensnared by this crisis.

 
Comment by ACH
2010-02-21 13:34:25

Oh, I almost forgot. Sen. Vitter, R Louisiana had a meeting. He invited me to that meeting. I’m pretty sure he didn’t realize that I was a HBBer from way back. I asked for specifics on how he was to “balance the budget.”

I asked a question about how - specifically - he intended to balance the budget. His response was “If you are in a hole, the first thing you need to do is to stop digging.”
My response was “Fine, I want to know, specifically, what you intend to do about balancing the budget.” I mentioned that there was no stomach in DC to do that and hadn’t been for decades no matter what party was in power.
I also mentioned that “we put two wars in a credit card.”
Boy did he get upset. I was cut off. Gee, it was like he didn’t want to talk about that. … like a brought up a subject best not discussed.

Specifics. Go figure.

Anyway, here is my follow up email to Sen. Vitter.

Sen. Vitter,
I attended the meeting in W. Monroe today. I thought it went well all things considered. Calls for America’s return to morality were well received by me. I’m not a religious person, but I do know that we must “do right.” The prayerful have no lock on that.

Yes, I had a question about the political will to actually address our deficit problems. No, I don’t believe that the Republican Party is going to do any better than the Democrats did.
There is no will to actually fix this. Like I said during the meeting, we put two wars on a credit card and act like we are on vacation. Two wars.

We then acted like there wasn’t a problem in the world. We bought cars we couldn’t afford, huge houses with no means to make the payments, failed to save for our retirements, failed to save for the future, failed to save for our children, failed to fix the problem, all while we are fighting two wars.

We have sent our soldiers through that war three and four times, and they are not happy about that fact.
In the end, there will be a price to pay for our feckless, selfish actions in the wars and with our debts.
Our soldiers “pay” first, we will then “pay”, then our children and descendants will “pay”.

I just don’t think it can be fixed as easily as you claim.

Roidy

P.S. To paraphrase, ” A HBBer in a room full of normal people is like a velociraptor in a room full of wiener dogs.” or something like that. See Shatnerology.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 13:53:07

An HBBer in a room full of “normal” people is like a vampire in a room full of Victorian bosom-heaving virgins.

Blood everywhere. I like it!!!

Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 14:44:53

LOL

But - importantly- does it all have the look and feel of a 1960s Hammerer film?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 14:47:37

Nicholas Roeg circa Don’t Look Now.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 17:24:24

“…a vampire in a room full of Victorian bosom-heaving virgins.”

I like it. Perhaps it is time for a name change to Professor Vampire ;-)

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 17:28:37

What can I say? I like my metaphors. ;-)

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 17:34:58

And I like the image of bosom-heaving Victorian-era virgins :-)

 
Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 17:40:03

You, (ex-?)-Mormon, you! ;-)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 18:27:37

For that matter, I never met a Mormon who had anything against bosom-heaving virgins…

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 18:43:32

“…For that matter, I never met a Mormon who had anything against bosom-heaving virgins”

least common denominator:

“I never met a Mormon who had anything against virgins”

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-21 18:58:32

Don’t the mormons get a bunch of virgins when they get their own planet in their afterlife? Or am I conflating my religions? I never could keep them straight. (As the delivery guy who watched Tiger’s apology with me asked incredulously, “Buddha…That’s the short bald guy, right?”)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 19:18:53

“Don’t the mormons get a bunch of virgins when they get their own planet in their afterlife?”

I wonder if you are not getting mixed up with the 72 virgins the jihadist terrorists are supposed to get if they succeed in blowing up a NYC building?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-21 19:54:42

I was close, sorta..

“The Celestial Kingdom itself is divided into three categories. Those who are worth and have been married for time and all eternity in LDS temples can achieve celestial exaltation in the highest of the Celestial degrees and can become Gods (husbands) and Goddesses (wives). In turn, they will rule and reign over their own new earth. They will procreate millions of new spirit children who will populate this new planet and the whole Law of Progression begins again (Ibid, p. 321-22).”

Surely you won’t ‘bang out’ millions of newbies with just one goddess-wife. ‘It takes a harem’. I assume they’ll be virgins, because that seems to be how god rolls…

 
 
 
 
Comment by eudemon
2010-02-21 14:38:19

Why even suggest such a thing to a lawyer (or a room full of lawyers)? Their entire livelihood is based on a scheme of robbing Peter to pay Paul, minus massive fee.

A politician sucking it up to do what is needed to solve a problem? Are you kidding? Solving our fiscal problems would necessitate that 80% of all lawyers find another line of work.

Considering that Washington is 85% lawyers, do you really think our fiscal problems will be addressed prior to everything going down? Who do you think allowed things to get so atrociously bad? Lawyers. For whose benefit? Not yours.

 
Comment by poormancometh
2010-02-21 14:45:27

Applause, standing and applauding for someone speaking the truth. The question is where can we find someone to stand up for us in Washington.

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 15:51:13

You never will so give up the illusion.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 16:42:49

‘I also mentioned that “we put two wars in a credit card.”
Boy did he get upset. I was cut off. Gee, it was like he didn’t want to talk about that. … like a brought up a subject best not discussed.’

I am picturing you as the kind of guy who shows up for Fast and Testimony Meeting at the local LDS church when he is on vacation, goes up to the front of the church, puts a big grin on his face, and says, “I know this church is false.”

Comment by ACH
2010-02-21 20:35:14

LOL
Caught!

Roidy

 
 
Comment by ACH
2010-02-21 20:49:32

Here is the URL for the pictures of the meeting.

Roidy
P.S. I’m number 36 and 39. FYI. The old white guy standing against the wall.

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Comment by hip in zilker
2010-02-21 22:12:21

Roidy,

I checked out the photos. You look very intense, HBB distilled - I reckon scary even before opening your mouth, to ANY pol, who is hoping to be able to “baffle them with BS.” You’re not old, unless we’re talking text-messaging-speed-contests or the like.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 22:35:19

Hah! You look like a Grade A sh!t disturber waiting for a suitable opening…

 
 
 
Comment by CorpsmanUSN
2010-02-21 14:49:24

Hi all!
I was wondering if anyone else on here is following the market in southern NH? I have been patiently waiting on houses to return to ‘normal’ around here but it’s slow going.
I love the blog BTW, I have been reading it for the last 2 plus years and I have learned so much and it is about the only thing keeping me sane in this market! Everyone else thinks I am crazy for waiting to buy. They think this is as low as it’s going to get and I am crazy to pass up the tax credit! Just wanted to say Thanks for all the great info!

Comment by San Diego RE Bear
2010-02-22 19:27:17

Repost this early in the morning on a weekday Corpsman - you’ll get a much better response!

And I know nothing about NH, except the economy is having a hard time and now is not the time to buy. Did any of these “now is the time to buy”ers see the bubble to begin with? If not, they are not the people you listen to for the current status of the market. Good luck!

 
 
Comment by CorpsmanUSN
2010-02-21 14:55:45

Hi All!
Is anyone following the market in Southern NH??? I am patiently waiting for houses to return to ‘normal’ around here but it’s slow going.
I have been following this blog for over two years and wanted to thank all of you for all the great info!
(sorry if this posts twice I don’t know what happened to my other one!)

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-02-21 18:07:10

I follow the Seascoast. There are some communities that appear to be seeing some downward movement. But the favorites w/highest demand are pretty darn sticky. My grandmother’s place 1/2 mile from the beach sold for some astronomically stupid amount (hey, I wasn’t involved) which I find pretty sad considering Gramps first built it and paid for it by driving a milk truck through the Depression.

Comment by CorpsmanUSN
2010-02-21 18:54:27

Yeah the seacoast is pretty pricey! I am looking around the Manchester area and the housing prices don’t seem to be going any where! People think their house’s are worth so much around here, it is not uncommon to see a 1000sqft cape going for 200K+ and the property taxes don’t get me started on those!

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-02-21 16:14:03

What you should know about home foreclosure

By Kimberly Miller
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 7:15 p.m. Friday, Feb. 19, 2010

After more than six months of wrangling with her bank to get a reduced mortgage payment through a federal loan modification program, Debra Jacobs has had enough.

The West Palm Beach resident is walking away from her home of 14 years.

“I’m just going to wait here until they put a padlock on the door,” said Jacobs, 58. “I’m so over it, I have to let it go. It’s too painful.”

As homeowners grow increasingly frustrated by the nation’s struggling foreclosure prevention programs, more may consider walking away as a viable alternative.

But there’s more to it than just stopping your mortgage payments and handing over the keys.

Boca Raton real estate attorney Marlyn Wiener says there’s no “right way” to walk away from a home.

Knowing the consequences, however, will at least help the borrower make an informed decision, she said.

“There is an analysis that each homeowner should do to find the best way for them to proceed,” Wiener said. “There isn’t a speed lane.”

The biggest gamble in walking away is whether a lender will try to seize a borrower’s assets to pay for its losses, Wiener said. Lenders have up to 20 years in Florida to collect a deficiency judgment.

But banks are more likely to go after borrowers who strategically default — a term meaning the homeowner can afford the mortgage but decides to stop paying because the home is no longer a good investment.

Moral dilemmas aside, Wiener said it can make financial sense in some situations to “pull the plug and regroup” if the mortgage is underwater.

Scott Haft, who oversees the mortgage modification and foreclosure defense division at the law firm LaBovick & LaBovick, said some lenders are willing to forgive a mortgage debt if a borrower voluntarily turns over the home without going through a lengthy court foreclosure.

“We say, ‘We’ll give you the keys on Monday, but you have to waive your right to pursue my client in the future for deficiencies,’ ” said Haft, whose company has offices in West Palm Beach, Boynton Beach and Palm Beach Gardens. “Many times, the lender is only interested in regaining the property.”

Another concern is whether the homeowner will have to claim forgiveness of debt on tax returns for the amount of money owed the lender.

The Mortgage Debt Relief Act of 2007 temporarily exempts people who lose their primary residence from having to claim the canceled debt, but the act is scheduled to sunset Dec. 31, 2012, and can’t be applied to investment properties.

“Everybody’s relationship with their properties and their loans is different,” Wiener said. “People need to take a look at where they are in life before they decide to walk away.”

One thing Wiener asks clients is whether they will need good credit in the near future to secure a car or student loan. A foreclosure can knock up to 300 points off a credit score — damage that can take years to repair and will stay on your report for seven years.

Lenders have recently stepped up efforts to ease the foreclosure process and avoid the complications when a homeowner walks away.

Citigroup launched a program this month that allows some borrowers to stay in their homes for six months without paying. In return, the homeowner turns in the keys at the end of the time period and keeps the home in good shape.

The federal Home Affordable Foreclosure Alternatives Program, announced in November, gives lenders incentives for offering deed-in-lieu of foreclosure and for approving short sales.

But for Jacobs, the alternatives are “too little too late.”

“Not only do I not know the options, I don’t care anymore,” she said. “It’s really sad it’s come to this.”

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-02-21 17:03:30

Palm Beach County’s misery index soars again
by Jeff Ostrowski

The Palm Beach County Pocketbook Pain Index continues to soar, thanks again to Florida’s nation-leading rate of “seriously delinquent” mortgages.

In a nod to the Misery Index (which sums national unemployment and inflation), I track a local index that combines three indicators: unemployment in Palm Beach County, inflation in South Florida and the rate of mortgages in Florida that are either 90 days past due or in foreclosure.

That adds up to an index of 34.05, the highest point for the measure since 1979, the year my quarterly index begins.

The Pocketbook Pain index is based on these stats: December unemployment of 11.5 percent, according to the Florida Agency for Workforce Innovation; South Florida inflation of 2.12 percent in December, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics; and 20.43 percent of mortgages statewide that were either 90 days past due or in foreclosure in the fourth quarter, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association of America.

This entry was posted on Friday, February 19th, 2010 at 11:15 am and is filed under Uncategorized.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 17:10:13

Are there any journalists out there who are sufficiently smart and ambitious to explore whether what Goldman Sachs did for the Greek government might also be happening right under our noses back here in the good old USA? This seems like the kind of story that could make a journalist’s career, if it panned out.

Just curious…

* The Wall Street Journal
* FEBRUARY 21, 2010, 6:55 P.M. ET

London Firm Was Created to Route Cash

By CARRICK MOLLENKAMP

Greece’s fiscal woes, the exposure of the European financial system to them and the role played by Wall Street in hiding the problems all converge in a fifth-floor office near London’s Liverpool Street station where a company called Titlos PLC was created in early 2009.

Just 22 days after Titlos was born, the National Bank of Greece SA and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. arranged for the company to sell €5.1 billion, or about $2.04 billion, in notes, according to U.K. and U.S. documents.

But Titlos wasn’t a real company and the notes weren’t designed for ordinary investors. Titlos doesn’t make anything and its only directors are two British executives who work for a firm that specializes in the formation of corporations and the sale of pooled assets.

Instead, Titlos, descendent of a 2001 deal to help Greece hide debt, was set up to take advantage of a European Central Bank effort to inject cash into a banking market hobbled by the financial crisis. Titlos’s notes were designed to be pledged for that program, according to filings by Titlos and the National Bank of Greece, and the buyer was the bank itself.

The history of Titlos also illustrates how bank and government dealings, often deeply intertwined, can complicate efforts to unclog a global banking system.

Gustavo Piga, a professor at the University of Rome Tor Vergata, says the opaque derivative trades that Greece and other countries engaged in “tarnishes the reputation of government” as it tries to police financial markets.

“There is this huge mortal embrace between the government and the banks,” Mr. Piga says. “It creates huge conflicts of interest in the actions of government.”

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 17:56:08

PIIGS!!!

BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 18:01:07

What do you think of my Cockroach Theory of Gollum Sacks financially-engineered sovereign debt concealment?

Comment by Faster Pussycat, Sell Sell
2010-02-21 18:23:54

I missed this theory. Replay, please?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 19:14:30

I am not sure if it is best referred to as Cockroach Theory or Termite Theory, but it is an alternative hypothesis to the popular Contagion Theory of financial crises. The latter assumes that a little bitty financial crisis like the Greek sovereign debt problem (or the Thai baht problem of the late-1990s) will spread like some kind of disease epidemic into a pandemic if it is not properly contained at the outset.

By contrast, the Cockroach or Termite infestation metaphor suggests that by the time the MSM catches wind of it, the problem is already widespread to the point where systemic collapse is virtually certain; thanks to Gollum and Friends’ clever financial engineering to cover up the problem, most people are not yet aware of its devastating extent.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 22:45:13

Damn! I hate when what I thought was my original idea turns out to already be in circulation.

Of course, so far as I am aware, I may be the first to extend the definition to the realm of “sovereign debt contagion.”

Cockroach Theory

What Does Cockroach Theory Mean?

A market theory that suggests that when a company reveals bad news to the public, there may be many more related negative events that have yet to be revealed. The term comes from the common belief that seeing one cockroach is usually evidence that there are many more that remain hidden.

For example, in February 2007, subprime lender New Century Financial Corporation faced liquidity concerns as losses arising from bad loans to defaulting subprime borrowers started to emerge. This company was the first of many other subprime lenders that faced financial problems, contributing to the subprime mortgage meltdown.

In other words, the fact that one subprime lender (one cockroach) faced financial problems indicated that many other similar businesses were likely to face the same issues.

 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-02-21 22:15:04

What do you think of my Cockroach Theory of Gollum Sacks financially-engineered sovereign debt concealment?

I think it’s valid and its validity will by partially confirmed going forward by the banker’s PR push back that has already clumsily (for those who know what to look for) begun.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 17:23:13

Maybe $1.5 bn in foreclosure bailout funding is not enough to help worthy home owners in Nevada and four other states stave off foreclosure?

There is a most fascinating aspect to the Nevada residential real estate bubble. Having driven through Las Vegas numerous times over the past five years, I can assure all that it is one of the so-called ‘ground zeros’ of the residential real estate construction bubbles. By contrast, we found ourselves forced a couple of summers back to choose an alternate route home to I-15, which was closed due to a major wild fire in the Utah mountains. We drove down a lonely road in eastern Nevada; from Wendover to Las Vegas, we not only saw not a single McMansion tract home development, but we barely even saw a sign of human development, including domesticated animals.

Tentative conclusion: Unlike the California housing bubble, where tract home developments were built in the otherwise empty high desert, the Nevada housing bubble is highly localized around urban areas.

For the mathematically challenged, a twenty-five percent drop in housing prices on top of an extant twenty-six percent drop adds up to an overall housing price decline of (1-(1-0.25)*(1-0.26))*100 = 44.5 percent.

* The Wall Street Journal
* FEBRUARY 21, 2010, 6:08 P.M. ET

Nevada in Budget Squeeze
Hard Choices in Store for State That Already Runs Lean; Some See Opportunity

By ALEXANDRA BERZON

Nevada’s $887 million deficit is puny compared with California’s $20 billion hole.

But in a state that operates one of the leanest budgets in the nation, that amounts to a 22% shortfall, a gap that has some worried that the state might fall further behind in such areas as education and health care, where it already lags behind other states. Others sense an opening to chart a new course in small government.

“We are working on solutions to turn this recession into an opportunity to reinvent our state’s government,” Republican Gov. Jim Gibbons said in an emergency State of the State address this month. “We may never have an opportunity like this again,” he said. Mr. Gibbons faces a tough primary battle this year and has had low approval ratings.

Limited government is as much part of the folklore of Nevada as cowboys and mobsters. Shortly before Nevada became a state, mining companies—then the dominant industry—ensured a tax cap for themselves in the constitution. The state has never had a personal income tax, and voters enshrined that ban in the constitution in the 1980s. The state legislature meets in regular session only for a few months every two years.

Nevada has been hit hard by both the foreclosure crisis and a sharp drop in gambling and tourism spending. The unemployment rate was nearly 13% in December, up from 8.4% a year earlier. Housing prices dropped 25% in the third quarter of 2009 from a year earlier, when they were already down 26%.

Mr. Gibbons, a conservative who faces a tough primary challenge, is among those who are trying to use the latest budget crisis as a way to ensure Nevada doesn’t stray from its small-government roots.On Tuesday the legislature begins a special session to close the shortfall in the budget it approved a year ago, which includes this fiscal year and next.

However, that’s a mighty task in a state as flinty as Nevada.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 17:59:38

Stories like this do a Californian’s heart plenty of good. After royally hosing Main Street in the bailout race, the Empire State deserves every bit of economic hardship it gets.

* OPINION: FEDERATION FEATURE
* FEBRUARY 12, 2010, 6:00 P.M. ET

Empire of Excess
New York is in for more economic trouble.

By E. J. MCMAHON AND JOSH BARRO

From the City Journal

Advocates of the misnamed “millionaire’s tax” enacted in New York State last year claimed that it would restore “fairness” to a tax code that favored the rich. After all, the statewide teachers’ union noted, “over the last 30 years, New York has cut its top personal income tax rate on the wealthy by one-half.” Technically, the union was right—but that was only part of the story. Thanks to the interplay of federal and state tax rules, Albany’s share of all income taxes paid by New York’s wealthiest residents has actually been rising since the 1970s. And it will soon rise to its highest level ever, if President Obama and congressional Democrats have their way. This is bad news for New York’s battered economy.

The last time New York was struggling with a major economic downturn, Washington gave the state and city a shot in the arm. In early 2003, Congress and President George W. Bush agreed to accelerate their already-scheduled temporary reductions in federal income-tax rates and to cut federal taxes on capital gains and dividends more deeply. Those investor-friendly federal cuts took effect at the same time as large temporary increases in both state and city income-tax rates, which the New York State Legislature had enacted over Governor George Pataki’s vetoes. The economic positives of the big Bush cut canceled out the negatives of the smaller state and city hikes.
[Graph] City Journal

Nearly seven years later, in the aftermath of a far more serious economic crisis, the winds of tax policy are blowing in a very different direction for New York. President Barack Obama won office on a promise to return the top two income brackets’ marginal rates (now 33 percent and 35 percent) to the levels in effect before his predecessor took office (36 percent and 39.6 percent). He’s virtually assured of achieving that goal no later than 2011, when the Bush tax law expires. With federal deficits swelling and pressure mounting for more “stimulus” spending, taxes could rise even as soon as this year. Meanwhile, the president’s allies in organized labor are sharpening another dagger for New York: a tax on financial transactions.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-02-21 18:18:42

“After royally hosing Main Street in the bailout race, the Empire State deserves every bit of economic hardship it gets”

Perhaps it would warm your heart to hear Albany is practically known to the most other New Yorkers as the original evil vampire squid. The power structure here has been hosing the little guy since way before that bailout.

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 18:38:00

“…a tax on financial transactions”

Bugs: “eh, Daffy…there’s a crack in the Dam,…any suggestions?” ;-)

 
Comment by measton
2010-02-21 20:43:05

President Barack Obama won office on a promise to return the top two income brackets’ marginal rates (now 33 percent and 35 percent) to the levels in effect before his predecessor took office (36 percent and 39.6 percent).

Just like AMT these taxes won’t be aimed at the elite, but at those few remaining jobs that pay a high income.

When they tax all cap gains and dividends earned by CEO’s and Hedge Fund managers at their income tax level then we might have something. These guys get paid in stock they should get taxed at income rates not dividend and capital gains rates.

Again top 400 earners in the US pay an effective tax rate of 16%. They make on average 350mil /yr. How is this move going to increase their taxes, it likely won’t.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 18:05:01

Contagion Theory is “out;” Cockroach Theory is “in.”

* The Wall Street Journal
* FEBRUARY 22, 2010

Debt Deals Haunt Europe
Investors Re-Examine Complex Financial Maneuvers Used to Hide Borrowings

By CHARLES FORELLE AND SUSANNE CRAIG

Concerns that Greece and other struggling European nations may not be able to repay their debts are focusing investor attention on another big worry: Economies across the Continent may have used complex financial transactions—sometimes in secret—to hide the true size of their debts and deficits.

Investors long turned a blind eye to European governments’ aggressive bookkeeping, aimed at meeting the euro zone’s budget ceilings. In reports to the Eurostat statistics authority, Portugal classified its subsidies to the Lisbon subway as equity. Greece insisted that large portions of its military spending were “confidential” and thus excluded from deficit calculations.

Now, suggestions that Greece’s budget could be further constrained in the coming years by interest payments on years-old bank transactions has refocused attention on long-forgotten financial deals undertaken by Athens and other euro-zone capitals to bring down budget deficits. Many of these deals involved currency swaps. In such transactions, countries might borrow in a currency not their own, for example, and use a derivative to offset the risk of currency fluctuations. But these instruments can also be used to artificially massage cash flows and liabilities, to meet debt and deficit thresholds.

Goldman Sachs Group Inc. did as many as 12 swaps for Greece from 1998 to 2001, according to people familiar with the matter. Credit Suisse was also involved with Athens, crafting a currency swap for Greece in the same time frame, according to people familiar with the matter.

Deutsche Bank executed currency swaps on behalf of Portugal between 1998 and 2003, according to spokesman Roland Weichert. Mr. Weichert said Deutsche Bank’s business with Portugal included “completely normal currency swaps” and other business activity, which he declined to discuss in detail. The currency swaps on behalf of Portugal were within the “framework of sovereign-debt management,” Mr. Weichert said. The trades weren’t intended to hide Portugal’s national debt position, he said.

The Portuguese finance ministry declined to comment on whether Portugal has used currency swaps such as those used by Greece, but said Portugal only uses financial instruments that comply with European Union rules.

Countries “look for things because it helps their arsenal of techniques used to reduce their budget deficits,” says James D. Savage, a University of Virginia professor who is an authority on EU budgeting. “The problem for Eurostat is the flourishing of new financial instruments and techniques. Member states are going to try to take advantage of them. There is always a catch-up game.”

Contagion issues have deeply concerned both policy makers and investors as the Greek debt crunch has unfolded over the past weeks. The cost to insure against a Greek default remains near record highs. Moreover, bond offerings from Spain, Ireland and Portugal in the past two weeks have succeeded primarily because they paid higher-than-usual yields.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-02-21 18:06:18

It was a buying weekend for me. I don’t do this often. But my DVD player (I purchased new for $80 a few years back) in my Phoenix apartment quit. I think it was a power surge in one of the lightning storms last summer. Bought a Pioneer Blue Ray DVD player from Costco for $139. My TV is over 20 years old, but works well, so I don’t need the 1080i crapola.

Was living without a dining table for three years since my roommate moved out. So I got a wild hair and decided to buy a dining table. That set me back $700 or so, including delivery. The table is fine quality. I would go to Ikea for a cheapo table for my temporary address, but for my permanent address I need something decent and with decent quality. It looks beautiful. Oh the furniture store had a “going out of business” sale. Yeah, right. Don’t they all have a “going out of business sale every week?” Price don’t matter since I lived without a table for three years. But now it looks great. The dining chairs are of good quality too. Now the apartment is complete.

My rent will probably drop another $130 per month in October when my lease renews. More Option ARM and ALT A resets on the way for Phoenix. Shadow inventory will be released a bit too, to cause more prices to sink and more jingle mail.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-02-21 20:21:11

Noticed on Valero in my ‘hood in Ahwatukee. 87 octane for $2.49 per gallon. In the South Bay of L.A. last week the same is going for $2.90-something. At AM/PM it’s $2.89 in the South Bay where I work.

According to MelissaData.com, the AGI of Torrance is about equal to the AGI of Ahwatukee. Ahwatukee is much cleaner of an area, with nicer streets and no pot holes. Avg house prices in the $200s. In Torrance the average is in the high $500s. Unemployment rate in Southern Cal is higher than in Phoenix. But the percentage of homes underwater is higher in Phoenix than in Sou Cal. Money goes very far in Ahwatukee compared to Torrance. Hence there are some upscale businesses in Ahwatukee. I like both areas. But feel safer in Arizona.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 18:07:29

* The Wall Street Journal
* FEBRUARY 22, 2010

Bailout Anger Undermines Geithner

By DEBORAH SOLOMON

WASHINGTON— Timothy Geithner’s role in calming the financial crisis landed him the coveted job of Treasury secretary last year. That same résumé is now dogging him.

In his next test, Mr. Geithner will find out this week how lawmakers are treating one of his main goals—revamping the nation’s financial regulations—when the Senate Banking Committee unveils its new bill. In Washington, where perception can take on the status of fact, the political woes facing Mr. Geithner are diminishing his authority.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner toured a Philadelphia grocery store on Friday with Michelle Obama as part of an effort to refashion his public image amid anger over financial bailouts and banker bonuses.

His dilemma: The bank rescues he helped engineer averted economic collapse. Yet to some lawmakers, Mr. Geithner looks weak. His association with unpopular financial bailouts has become an albatross. His neutral rhetoric on bankers’ bonuses—the fat payouts are “very hard for people to understand,” he recently told CNBC—spurs talk that he coddles Wall Street.

Lawmakers have been bickering for months over Mr. Geithner’s regulatory revamp. Despite renewed confidence in the banks and a growing economy, Mr. Geithner gets little credit. His unwillingness to play the populist makes him an ineffective pitch man for an administration eager to defuse public anger over unemployment and the housing crisis.

To boost his image, Mr. Geithner is waging a charm offensive. On Friday he toured a supermarket in Philadelphia with first lady Michelle Obama to showcase efforts to reduce childhood obesity, an unusual event for a Treasury secretary. He demonstrated how a Treasury program offering tax credits in low-income communities can bring in businesses selling more nutritious food.

Mr. Geithner says even his wife has urged him to show more emotion in confronting the banks. His response: Doing so risks politicizing the Treasury.

Interviews with dozens of government officials show that Mr. Geithner has acted as a brake on administration officials seeking punitive action against big financial firms.

Last year, in a previously unreported move, he resisted efforts to oust Citigroup Chief Executive Vikram Pandit as a condition for more government aid, according to administration officials. He successfully argued against ripping up contracts that controversially allowed millions of dollars in bonuses to be paid to American International Group employees, stating: “This is not Bolivia,” according to two people who heard him say it.

Mr. Geithner also has pushed for banks to repay government funds (making them raise private capital instead) in defiance of some lawmakers and government watchdogs who said the firms should remain under Treasury’s thumb until they resume lending to help the economy.

“What we achieved in the financial sector was way above expectations,” Mr. Geithner said in an interview, pointing out “how quickly we restored confidence” in the financial system. “As long as I believe that we are making good judgments…and fixing stuff that was broken in ways that are going to make a difference, then I can live with the consequences.”

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-02-21 20:37:00

To boost his image, Mr. Geithner is waging a charm offensive.

That’s funny…doesn’t strike me as one of his strong suits.

Comment by packman
2010-02-21 21:24:24

He needs to channel his inner Alice.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 18:09:49

Given that the foreclosure crisis is over now, why aren’t the Fed and the Treasury winding down their unnecessary housing price support programs?

* FEBRUARY 19, 2010, 8:34 P.M. ET

U.S. Mortgage Delinquencies Edge Down

By JAMES R. HAGERTY

Fewer people fell behind on their home-mortgage payments in last year’s fourth quarter, a sign that the default crisis may be peaking, the Mortgage Bankers Association reported Friday.

Separately, the Obama administration announced plans to provide $1.5 billion to housing agencies in five states hit hardest by the crisis that would fund programs to help people avoid foreclosure.

President Barack Obama, left, campaigned Friday for Sen. Harry Reid in Nevada, where he also unveiled new funding to prevent foreclosures.

The trade group said 3.63% of mortgage borrowers were between 30 and 59 days overdue in the fourth quarter, down from 3.79% in the third quarter, based on its quarterly survey of lenders. Normally, that rate rises in the fourth quarter as heating bills and holiday expenses cause some people to fall behind.

The decline in this category of newly delinquent borrowers reflects a drop in the number of people losing their jobs, said Jay Brinkmann, the MBA’s chief economist.

But the overall number of people in trouble with their mortgages—those behind on payments or in the foreclosure process—continued to grow. At the end of the fourth quarter, 15% of home loans on one-to-four-family homes were in that category, up from 11% a year earlier. For the latest quarter, that equates to about 7.8 million households.

“We have fewer problems coming into the system,” Mr. Brinkmann said. But “we still have a big problem we have to deal with.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 18:14:48

Jim Moret, Chief Correspondent, Inside Edition and author of “The Last Day of My Life”

Hopelessness, Despair and the Winter Olympics

Posted: February 21, 2010 07:17 PM

A man in Ohio bulldozes his house to prevent the bank from taking it back in foreclosure. He said he was literally pushed to the brink after years of fighting with both the bank and the IRS. In Texas, a software engineer takes his own life and kills an innocent man, also injuring thirteen bystanders, when he intentionally crashes his private plane into a building where nearly 200 IRS employees work. In his suicide note, he ranted about the IRS, politicians, and corporate America’s “thugs and plunderers,” who are rewarded with government bailouts.

I wonder if (these acts) reflect a broader undercurrent of growing disillusionment and frustration in these challenging times.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-02-21 18:17:25

Nikkei up 2.74% at this time of posting for its Monday Feb. 21 trades.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 18:22:01

One fairly obvious way to cut public school education budgets: Reduce required years of schooling. If this idea catches on, perhaps we soon can get back to the America where an 8th grade education was enough to get you through life.

Political Hotsheet
February 16, 2010 3:40 PM
Utah State Senator Proposes Making 12th Grade Optional
Posted by Spencer Magloff

(CBS/iStockphoto)

Reductions in education spending traditionally take the form of cutting teachers, administration or salaries. But with Utah’s $700 million deficit lingering over lawmaker’s heads, a new proposal has recently attracted as much curiosity as disdain: Make 12th grade optional.

State Sen. Chris Buttars from the Salt Lake City suburbs told the Public Education Appropriations Subcommittee earlier this month that many students squander away their senior year, making it an unnecessary expense and another one to alleviate the large budget shortfall. He said eliminating 12th grade altogether would have saved $102 million.

“You’re spending a whole lot of money for a whole bunch of kids who aren’t getting anything out of that grade,” he said. “It comes down to the best use of money.”

Buttars later scaled back his proposal to just give students the option of skipping 12th grade if they finish their requirements in three years, according to The Salt Lake Tribute. That proposal could reportedly save around $60 million.

It’s unclear how many students would opt for early gradation (SIC ;-) ) if given the option.

“What I’m trying to do is find that money for the $700 million ongoing shortfall in ongoing money, and at the same time try to keep as many dollars as possible in the program,” Buttars said last week at an education funding subcommittee hearing, reports station KSL-TV in Salt Lake City. “This does that. Now, to what extent we don’t know because it’s their option.”

Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 19:22:37

Utarrrrrrrr! ;-)

Well why not repeat the cost saving practices of the past: Limit it to girls / 8th grade education. ;-)

 
Comment by measton
2010-02-21 20:46:20

Is this kind of like declaring ketchup was a vegetable??

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 22:12:57

Here is a little ratio technique for comparing Utarr’s $700 million debt shortfall to California’s $20,000 million shortfall:

Utah population = 2,736,424 - Jul 2008

California population = 36,756,666 - Jul 2008

Utah shortfall per capita = $700,000,000 / 2,736,424 = $255.81 per capita

California shortfall per capita = $20,000,000,000 / 36,756,666 = $544.12 per capita

Neither states’ situation looks all that bad on a per capita basis, do they? How come state politicians have their underwear in knots over less than $1000 per capita in shortfall?

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-02-21 18:24:09

I wish that when ever I encounter a citizen paid “worker” they would have to legally hand me a card that gives their “vitals”:

Hi I’m Cindy
Attitude profile: “I could give a flying #!*k
Job: STATE DMV Mid level management / supervisor
Age 53
Salary W/ benefits: $89,000
Vacation time: 20 days per year / 28 weeks accrued
Sick Days: 8 hrs per month / 42 days accrued
Holidays: 12 per year
Work week: 5 days 9-5
Actual work week: 2 days 7 hrs / 1 day 6 hrs / 1 day 4 hrs / 1day 4 hrs work + 4 hrs training
Pet peeve: citizens with “attitudes” & 0 trans fat laws
Automobile: Mercedes 500 & moped (when gas is above $3.90 per gallon)
Retirement date: maybe next year or perhaps…Never!
Last vacation: Mexico / breast enhancement
Waist size: “Run Hwy…RUN! :-)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 19:45:04

From The Sunday Times
February 21, 2010
Obama’s ‘Chicago mafia’ blamed for paralysis at the top
Christina Lamb in Washington

“This administration has managed to divide its friends and unite its enemies,” said Steve Clemons, director of the American Strategy Programme at the New America Foundation.

He and others lay the blame on the Chicago team, advisers from Obama’s adopted city. “Obama’s West Wing is filled with people who are in their jobs because of their Chicago connections or because they signed on early during his presidential campaign,” complained Doug Wilder, who in 1990s Virginia was America’s first elected black governor and was an early backer of Obama. “One problem is they do not have sufficient experience at governing at the executive branch level. The deeper problem is that they are not listening to the people.”

Obama relies on five people, four of whom are Chicagoans. They are Rahm Emanuel, his chief of staff, David Axelrod and Jarrett, his political advisers, and Michelle, while the fifth kitchen cabinet member is Robert Gibbs, his chief spokesman, who comes from Alabama.

The president consults them on everything. Military commanders were astounded when they participated in Afghanistan war councils and referred to them as the “Chicago mafia”. It was this group that inserted into Obama’s Afghan surge speech the deadline of July 2011 as a date to start withdrawing.

With Democrats fearing big losses in the mid-term elections in November, the knives are out for Emanuel, whose abrasive manner and use of profanities have won him few friends. Although his job is to deflect criticism from his boss, Rahmbo, as he is known, seems to have gone over the top.

The Wall Street Journal reported him losing his temper at a strategy session in August and referring to liberals as “f***ing retarded”. He is said to have sent dead fish to a pollster whose numbers he did not like.

Leslie Gelb, president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, called on Obama to remove Emanuel, arguing that he needs someone who knows how to navigate Washington or will end up being no more than a speechmaker.

“No one I’ve talked to believes he [Emanuel] has the management skills and discipline to run the White House,” he wrote in The Daily Beast.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 19:47:59

The United States of Chicago

Bill Thomas

Sunday, February 21, 2010

The Obama administration is tanking, and Democrats and their media flacks are blaming everyone but themselves. Talk-show host Bill Maher zeroes in on the basic theme: Americans “are not bright enough to really understand the issues.”

“The biggest culprit in our current predicament,” as Jacob Weisberg sees it in Slate, is “the childishness, ignorance and growing incoherence of the public at large.”

In other words, the same voting public that fell for “hope and change” and put Barack Obama in office a year ago suddenly is too stupid to notice the genius at work in the White House.

With Obama not inclined to do what presidents are supposed to do, namely keep the country solvent and secure, lots of people are wondering what gives. Talk about dumb.

Some on the extremes, as Obama himself noted, believe his health care reform program is part of a “Bolshevik plot” to wreck the nation’s economy. Others, not smart enough to think in those terms, are just afraid of losing their jobs, homes and life savings.

Obama learned his politics in Chicago, where complainers are ignored. But in Washington, Democratic Party officials are concerned his “transformative” presidency may be transforming millions of former supporters into an angry mob.

The latest polls shows the party has something to worry about. Obama’s job approval numbers are in free-fall, from over 62 percent early last year to 47 percent last week. On top of that, surveys of voter sentiment suggest the 2010 congressional elections will see GOP gains. Scott Brown’s win last month in Massachusetts took away the Democrats’ 60-vote majority in the Senate, forcing the administration to work with Republicans, something it was planning to avoid.

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-02-21 20:43:37

Talk-show host Bill Maher zeroes in on the basic theme: Americans “are not bright enough to really understand the issues.”

Good point, but I bet if you asked him to point out all the citizens that fell into that category he would only be able to identify about half of the total amount. Everybody is good at seeing the idiots on the other team.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-02-21 20:53:15

..But in Washington, Democratic Party officials are concerned his “transformative” presidency may be transforming millions of former supporters into an angry mob…

And what might this mob demand?

More jobs, job security and financial security. More government handouts. Guaranteed pensions. Fewer budgetary cuts. Fewer foreclosures. Higher property prices. More tax credits and perks. Another cash for clunkers wouldn’t hurt. May as well throw in universal health care while we’re at it..
How about a bail-out for us little guys? Eh?

And since all that stuff costs money, it follows that they want more money to be spent, across the board.
—–

In essence, disappointed BO supporters want MORE of what some people around here claim the “angry mob” is totally against.

Those in the audit-the-fed / let-banks-fail / cut-government-spending-mob have their work cut out for them..

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 22:04:50

“Those in the audit-the-fed / let-banks-fail / cut-government-spending-mob…”

Another excellent strawman there, Joey… I’ve lost track of how many you have already created this weekend.

Would you care to fill us in on what the ‘trust-the-Fed, cause we’ve done a heckuva job’ mob have planned for US?

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-21 23:07:39

Here is a contrarian signal of an incipient l-t T-bond rally if ever there was one: A MarketWatch article pimping bets against Treasurys.

ETF Investing

Feb. 21, 2010, 12:01 p.m. EST

ETFs that bet against Treasurys profit on higher yields
Cracks in government bond market open door for bond bears

By John Spence, MarketWatch

BOSTON (MarketWatch) — Leveraged exchange-traded funds geared to profit from falling prices on long-term Treasury bonds have performed well in February from rising yields, as markets worry about U.S. spending, deficits and inflation.

These bearish or inverse ETFs essentially let investors bet against longer-dated Treasury securities, but they are risky and require close monitoring.

 
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