Leverage Works Just As Swiftly In Reverse
Chicago Public Radio reports from Illinois. “Just a few years ago, homebuyers stampeded into brand-new condos all over Chicago. Then, reality hit. Water started leaking in. Mold crept up the walls. Elevators stopped working. Now the city of Chicago is trying to clean up the mess by chasing after developers responsible for shoddy work. But the city’s good intentions have, in some cases, made life even tougher for the homeowners. Mary Feeney and her neighbors contacted their alderman, who said to call the city. They did and the city sued their developer, Jerry Czerwik. But Feeney and her neighbors were also named on the lawsuit.”
“FEENEY: ‘I mean that’s what was so ironic when we were first found as defendants in the same pool as the developer, it was like, well the only reason you have a case is because we called you, and now we’re defendants?’”
“Greg Janes from the city’s law department….says it’s frustrating knowing he set out to help people only to have this happen. JANES: ‘You know, every time we try to work with a building and a general contractor, I think, let’s hope it doesn’t turn out that at the end the unit owners are still on the hook for over $100,000.’”
“Feeney says she now knows one thing for sure. FEENEY: ‘I will never buy a property in Chicago again.’”
The Chicago Sun Times in Illinois. “Last July, I wrote about the issue of condo contract ‘walkaways,’ people who never close on a condo sale because the unit’s value has fallen, and they lose less money by giving up their deposit. Since then, the walkaway situation, also known as ‘contract fallout,’ apparently has gotten worse.”
“Developers of new buildings had fallout rates of 25 percent to 40 percent last year. At the release of her company’s annual report on downtown condos, Appraisal Research Counselors Vice President Gail Lissner said the lucky developers have just 25 percent. Others are in the 50 percent range, she said. She said one building, which she wouldn’t name, may be well above 50 percent, but simply refuses to cancel sales agreements, hoping the buyer will eventually show up for a closing.”
Crain’s Chicago Business in Illinois. “Developer Gary Rosenberg says he has lined up $100 million in financing for a 220-unit condo tower in the West Loop. Developers still are sitting on about 3,000 unsold condos and townhomes that have been completed or are under construction, according to Appraisal Research. Though it may sound to like a crazy idea to some, Mr. Rosenberg says ‘it’s a good time’ to start a new condo tower.”
“Mr. Rosenberg doesn’t rule out the possibility of switching from condos to apartments, saying his capital source ‘is providing us total flexibility’ to respond to changes in market conditions. ‘We’re prepared to go rental if sales don’t go as well,’ he says.”
Medill reports Chicago in Illinois. “The Fed’s mortgage-buying will end March 31, and the home-buyer tax credit expires at the end of April. Many believe that the modest recovery during the last few months will prove to be a fiction when these government-backed programs end. ‘I see no evidence that this [industry] has the capacity to stand on its own two legs. Even with these dramatic government efforts to bolster home sales, they’re still languishing at recessionary levels,’ said David Rosenberg, chief global economist at Gluskin Sheff & Associates Inc.”
“Illinois is one of the markets likely to see a double dip. In Chicago, ‘Stability is eluding the market,’ said Genie Birch, president of the Chicago Association of Realtors. ‘Without revisions in lending regulations…Chicagoans will witness declining homeownership, loss of tax revenues and erosion of the equity they have placed and created in their homes.’”
The Northwestern in Wisconsin. “Realtors in northeast Wisconsin saw existing home sales surge during the last quarter of 2009 in response to what many thought was the end of a tax credit for first-time homebuyers, but agents are expecting those sales to continue after Congress extended the credit through the first part of this year.”
“With low home prices, interest rates hovering around 5 percent and the tax credit, now is a prime for people to explore the housing market, realtors said. ‘Now is a very good time for anybody who wants to own a house and commit to the obligations that go with home ownership,’ said Shellie Mathe, manager with First Weber Group.”
“Low interest rates and home prices along with the tax credit leave Realtors urging people to consider finding a piece of property they can call their own. ‘There was a big rush leading up to the first expiration date and I really feel Congress doesn’t have the appetite to extend this again,’ said Kevin Purtell, broker/owner of Premier Group.”
The Fond du Lac Reporter in Wisconsin. “Fond du Lac real estate agents are finally feeling a stir after enduring three years of a listless housing market. Thanks in part to new tax credits for homebuyers, real estate agents are answering more phone calls, scheduling more showings and greeting more new faces at open houses.”
“Broker associate Steve Klapperich added that growing interest in homes has given agents confidence, and it’ll be interesting to see what happens in early spring and summer. At this point, no one knows if the federal government will offer further incentives for homebuyers, he said. ‘Only time will tell,’ he said. ‘We don’t know if credits are in the cards. At some point, they (lawmakers) have to turn the tap off.’”
“The real estate market itself had been in trouble since 2006, when home prices across the country had ballooned to the point where many were unaffordable. Scott Swick, owner of First Weber and Winfield Homes in Fond du Lac, said sub-prime loans and ‘easy money’ allowed some consumers to buy more house than they could afford or invest too much money into upgrading a home. Stated-income loans caused some of the biggest problems, since buyers could tell lenders how much they earned and the bank wouldn’t verify the information. The market has since bottomed out and prices are more in line with what people can pay.”
“‘It’s painful for the sellers but a bonanza for buyers,’ Swick said.”
The Wisconsin Law Journal. “Faced with a dramatic increase in foreclosure filings in Milwaukee, last year the city launched a new mediation program. Edward Harness, who represents borrowers, acknowledges that the program is well-intentioned. But he says it has its limitations. ‘It’s not even a true mediation because you’re not allowed to mention the merits of any defense that may be raised as part of the action. It’s more like a foreclosure loan modification settlement conference,’ he says.”
The Michigan Messenger. “When Lansing Mayor Virgil Bernero kicked off his campaign for the Democratic nomination for governor earlier this month, he announced that his number one goal was an immediate two-year moratorium on home foreclosures. But this week Bernero’s foreclosure thunder may have been stolen when former Genesee County Treasurer Dan Kildee announced he was officially seeking the Democratic nomination as well. Kildee is a nationally recognized expert in foreclosure issues and his Genesee County Land Bank has drawn national praise and serves as a model for the way communities can handle large numbers of foreclosed and abandoned properties.”
“Wauwatosa lawyer Michael Maxwell, notes that the program’s effectiveness depends on ‘whether the person on the lender’s side of the table is a decision maker. In the civil litigation model, judges don’t hesitate to order that someone with … settlement authority be present at the mediation. That hasn’t happened in the foreclosure mediation system yet.’”
“Only one day after declaring his intent to run, Kildee took dead aim at Bernero’s proposal in an exclusive interview with the Michigan Messenger. ‘I agree with his sentiment. What I want to find is a practical solution that is constitutional,’ Kildee said.”
“‘The truth of the matter is that the 90 day reprieve doesn’t go far enough,’ Bernero said. ‘Yes, families need guidance and financial training to get them through this, which is something that I support, but they need a more realistic timeframe to learn how to get their finances in order without staring foreclosure in the face as they count down the 90 days.’”
“‘In many cases, we are not just talking about budgeting, we are talking about finding another job to deal with a mortgage that has doubled as quickly as Michigan’s unemployment rate,’ Bernero said.”
The Daily Record in Ohio. “Whether building, buying or borrowing, the housing market in Wayne and Holmes counties mirrored the economic climate of 2009: It was a tough year. Alan Ratliff’s company, Ratliff Custom Homes, had been building 35-40 homes a year, but it did about half of that in 2009, he said. About five years ago, Ratliff said people might decide to build in a very short time frame. If they saw something they liked, they would build. However, those people are out of the market right now, he said.”
“Since 2001, the high-water mark was 869 houses sold in 2003. Since then, the number dropped to 861 in 2004. The sharpest drop came between 2004 and 2005 when homes sold fell 16.3 percent to 721, this at a time when the Ohio Realtors Association was reporting record-breaking levels of sales.”
“Despite the economy and reports banks are not lending, ‘we have money to lend,’ Fitz Gibbon said. ‘There may be tightening by some banks in the country, but for Wayne Savings and most every other community bank, community banks are still lending money. That’s our job.’”
“However, borrowers need to be qualified, he said. ‘We are not doing a borrower any favors if we make them a loan they cannot afford,’ he added. ‘Look at foreclosure notices; a vast majority are from out-of-town banks.’”
The Des Moines Register in Iowa. “Banks’ troubles, in the form of mounting bad loans, are expected to continue this year, officials predicted Tuesday as they analyzed the results of a difficult 2009. ‘I don’t see any rapid recovery,’ said Iowa Banking Superintendent Tom Gronstal. ‘We are going to be working through this for more than a year.’”
“The drop in profits may have been bigger if not for extremely favorable interest rate conditions, said Eric Lohmeier, managing director of NCP Inc., an investment firm in Des Moines. Banks are currently able to borrow funds at close to zero percent, much lower than what they pay as interest on deposits. This is a positive for banks’ income, but it’s ‘not what we consider a sustainable practice,’ Lohmeier said.”
“‘Unemployment is a big factor right now,’ said Lohmeier. With unemployment in Iowa reaching 6.6 percent in December, up from 4.4 percent the previous year, ‘it’s going to get worse before it gets better,’ he said.”
The St Paul Business Journal in Minnesota. “The final developer-owned condo in the Carlyle tower in downtown Minneapolis has sold. The sixth-floor unit, a former sales office that overlooks the Mississippi River and the Stone Arch Bridge, sold in the first week of February for $830,000, about 7 percent above the listing price of $775,000.”
“When plans for the Carlyle were announced in 2004 at 100 Third Ave. S., the condo market was near its peak. About 30 people waited outside overnight to get a good spot in line when the sales office opened in 2004. By 9 a.m., there were 200 people waiting to reserve their units.”
“More than 85 percent of the units sold in the first 15 months, but then the housing market stalled for much of 2008. In the past two years, with the help of discounts on about the last 15 units, the developers sold them off one by one. There are still more than a dozen units available for sale at the Carlyle, but all are resales.”
“What closed the deal, said (listing agent) Barbara Brin, was the perception of value. The retired couple who bought it had actually considered buying a similar unit, but at a higher price, in the 255-unit, 39-floor tower for several years, Brin said. In that, the Carlyle’s last sale has something in common with a lot of homes that have sold this year — buyers believe they got a really good deal. Almost every condo building in downtown has units for sale that are priced $100,000 less than people paid for them a few years ago.”
“‘There are some really good values out there. I think they are almost jaw-dropping they seem so low to me,’ she said.”
The Star Tribune in Minnesota. “Despite the recession, numbers compiled by the St. Paul Area Association of Realtors show a more than 16 percent rise in home sales in the 13 counties surrounding the Twin Cities between 2008 and 2009 — growth sparked at least partly by unprecedented tax credits and low mortgage rates. The programs have been unable to stem falling home values, which slid 15 percent in 2009.”
“John Addler and his fiancée moved in together a little earlier than planned last month. In this economy, it was a sound financial decision. The 26-year-old Best Buy employee, who had planned to buy a home after his wedding this spring, got a jump-start and purchased a three-bedroom house in Shakopee, spurred by an $8,000 federal tax credit for first-time home buyers that will expire in April.”
“A separate federal program that has been keeping mortgage rates artificially low ends next month. Addler, still paying rent on his Bloomington apartment, said he couldn’t imagine buying a house without the extra boost. ‘When we were writing out that down payment check, it’s not too hard to write it out knowing that you’re getting it all back,’ he said of the tax credit.”
“Minnesota’s housing market is stabilizing, but prices dropped more here than the national average. Mortgage delinquency is at or over the national average in Isanti, Sherburne, and Chisago counties. These three, as well as Anoka and Scott counties, are among the state’s ten counties currently hardest hit by foreclosure, according to the New York Federal Reserve Bank.”
“The Twin Cities region has grown by up to 25 acres per day in recent years. Providing houses with water and sewer, roads and other infrastructure demands a long-term and expensive public commitment. The foreclosure wave serves to highlight how households, local and state governments are all leveraged by development that relies on cheap, distant commutes to workplaces and services. As we’ve relearned in recent years, leverage works just as swiftly in reverse as it does moving forward.”
FYI, I’m still having server problems that make it difficult to fix link problems like the one above.
“She said one building, which she wouldn’t name, may be well above 50 percent, but simply refuses to cancel sales agreements, hoping the buyer will eventually show up for a closing.”
There’s always “hope”
Boy looks like the “impossible choice” http://thehousingbubbleblog.com/?p=4224 isn’t so hard after all….
It was just yesterday that they were running stories about Trump’s Chicago tower in which buyers holding reservations were being pushed aside for higher bidders. Now they can’t catch a bid to save their Lexus.
Isn’t this what banks are doing by delaying foreclosure proceeding or NOD for homeowners who stop paying the mortgage? Putting their head in the sand, not filing paper work or recognizing non-performing loans until sometime in the future? It’s almost like we’re seeing everyone around us closer their eyes hoping that this will be a short lived recession and that tomorrow will be a better day.
I have a feeling over the next couple of months we’re going to see the new home stimulus expire, interest rates slowly creep up, number of home sales drop considerably leading to a dead cat bounce in the housing market & stock market.
As a first time homeowner closely following the market here in Scottsdale, AZ I often feel like Caine from Kung Fu trying to grab the rock from Master Po’s hand. Anxiously waiting, watching for the appropriate time to strike. Knowing that missing the rock will result in a swift smack in the head by Master Po’s bamboo stick. “Grasshopper, grab the stone from my hand.”
I’m thinking the banks are assuming that if they wait out the Great Recession long enough, the increase in home prices due to Green Shoots of recovery will more than outweigh the physical depreciation incurred during the time the foreclosed homes sat vacant. That, plus I suspect TARP money or some other below-market source of funding is being used to provide indefinite staying power. How else can you explain so many lenders oh so happy to ride falling knives all the way to the ground?
‘Without revisions in lending regulations…Chicagoans will witness declining homeownership, loss of tax revenues and erosion of the equity they have placed and created in their homes.’”
Dude, the fantasy equity that they “placed and created” is long gone, and ain’t coming back. But you can keep hoping for more ‘free’ money.
You have to see it on the neighborhood level to really appreciate it. All of our Aldercritters were absolutely banking on the tree of Chicago real estate growing to the sky. They rezoned to suit developers and never met a condo project they didn’t like. They built without any regard to the wider prevailing socioeconomic trends.
Basically, they attempted to overlay the Lincoln Park/Lake View gentrification model over the entire city. Now they lament the loss of jobs, and turn teary-eyed to Springfield for answers. Guess where Springfield is turning for answers?
The buck stops somewhere, is it Beijing, Tokyo, London, or our back pockets?
I have a niece that bought a condo in an area called ‘buck town’? in 2004. Sold it in early 2006 for a profit. Moved to Clarendon Hills remodeled a house there. She just sold it last month at a loss, because of a company move to Newport. I have never been to Chicago except through the airport so I never saw either of the places she had.
Interesting! I know that little burg…
I wonder what street she lived on - Holmes? Walker? Hiawatha? Rose? Middaugh? Oxford? Chicago Ave? Prospect?
North or south of the Burlington-Northern?
Moving from Bucktown to Clarendon Hills is quite the leap, especially considering all the McMansions built there from 1990 to 2005…
I am not sure what street she lived on, would have to ask. I know it was a converted commercial building, turned into loft condos. They lived on a second floor, I saw interior pics, it was very large looking.
She and her husband kept their bikes on the 2nd floor balcony. One night someone put an extension ladder on top of a dumpster and made off with them. Lesson learned, even on the 2nd floor lock them up!
I have a niece that bought a condo in an area called ‘buck town’? Sold it in early 2006 for a profit.
She’s lucky!
Bucktown and neighboring Wicker Park were a mad epicenter of gentrification — it started around ‘98 or 99 and just kept going, but man, there are some white elephants there now. Elderly Poles and Ukrainians were becoming millionaires by selling their buildings. I had friends who bought a very humble two story brick house for $140K, then sold it circa 2006 (with some improvements) for about $750K. They kinda ruined it all by buying a hideously overlarge McMansion in Indianapolis, however. And now they’re stuck in Indianapolis with too much house …
“Wauwatosa lawyer Michael Maxwell, notes that the program’s effectiveness depends on “whether the person on the lender’s side of the table is a decisionmaker. In the civil litigation model, judges don’t hesitate to order that someone with … settlement authority be present at the mediation. That hasn’t happened in the foreclosure mediation system yet.”
b..b..but we’re talking only those other people in Milwaukee here Mikey and everyone knows that house values can never go down in Wauwatosa…right Mikey…right ?
Foreclosures aren’t happening in wonderful and special Tosa ?
(Wauwatosa is a small semi-affuent blue/white collar city that adjoins Milwaukee to the west, thinks it’s different and it’s major industry by all appearances is retired aging yuppies that sit around watching their tomato plants grow in the summer.)
‘in the civil litigation model, judges don’t hesitate to order that someone with … settlement authority be present at the mediation. That hasn’t happened in the foreclosure mediation system yet’
Cuz it ain’t gonna happen. Contract law can’t be changed by some county judge, and the cram down myth is looking old in the tooth now, here a year or two after a few internet crackpots told us it was coming any day.
Sheesh, don’t tell me Ben… It’s not me…it’s not me !
legal disclaimer: (My HBB stage name is mikey, I do live in Wauwatosa and I do have a Marquette University Law Library Card but I’m NOT that mikey. I am NOT an attorney)
PS — I LOVE Contract Law !
Ha ha ha
I’m hope you’re not referring to me as an internet crackpot because I support a draconian cramdown. But you’re right — the banks own the Senate and would never allow any sort of cramdown through, and the time for the idea is past.
However, I wonder if that may be a blessing in disguise? With a cramdown, at least the bank gets some of its money back. But now, FB’s who may have benefitted from a cramdown are walking outright. All the bank has to show for it is a deteriorating house.
The real pain is in recourse states.
I wonder! why are some states recourse and some state non-recourse?
But if they allow/force cramdowns for some borrowers, they will have to force cramdowns for ALL borrowers. Additionally, it will set a precedent so tomorrow’s buyers will not care what price they pay, as they will demand a cramdown after they buy a place.
No, they need to evict these FBs as quickly as possible, and let prudent, responsible buyers buy the homes at affordable prices.
I’m sick and tired of seeing all the deadbeats get rewarded at the expanse of those of us who try to live within our means. Let them rent, just like those of us who have been waiting for this god-forsaken bubble to finally burst.
Tomato plants?
Yes tomato plants. They’re the new excitment of the soon to be poor.
These GF and FB all bought these over-priced POS houses, now they’re underwater, they’re bankrupt, don’t know it and watching their sickly little tomato plants grow in the summer is the only wholesome, meaningful entertainment that these FB can afford now. These people seem to hibenate in winters.
I think he’s trying to pick a fight !
How do these retired older people manage in those winters? Broken bones don’t heal that quickly the older you get. How do they get around?
These help.
“Though it may sound to like a crazy idea to some, Mr. Rosenberg says ‘it’s a good time’ to start a new condo tower.”
No it doesn’t sound crazy, I would expect them to start at around $400k to attract the first time buyer market.
A developer in Charlotte N.C. is doing the same, building a condo complex. Even though several in that area are BK. Prices will start in the low $400’s to attract the first time buyer. That’s the plan!
A lot of first time buyers roaming around in Charlotte with an 80K downpayment and W2 (verifiable) income >130K? I didn’t really think so, and, as such, condo towers with prices starting in the “low 400s” instantly limits your market to about 5% of the population. Of that 5%, almost all of them own houses that they need to sell to afford the new home (well, except for that top 1%, but, then again, do they want a condo in Charlotte?).
The days of 400K condos are coming, quickly, to a much needed end. Looks like they are still pulling on the peace pipe in CLT, but, soon enough, they will realize that, with normal lending standards, there’s almost nobody who can both afford these units, and, simultaneously, want to live in a condo.
Bernanke and Obama will crank up the printing presses and the 200k condo will instantly be 400k. The dollar is toast !
Low $400’s? Wouldn’t that buy a really nice house in Charlotte?
Yes indeed, but none the less, the condo builder plow forward, and keep mentioning “first time” buyers in their sales pitches.
Wife bought a 400k townhome, right after we sold one for 350k in 06. Now they run in the mid 200’s. FWIW, we bought our first one in 2005 for 200k, sold in 06 for 350k, bought another for 390k, with a hefty down, and have paid 2plus years of interest to the bank, but since values are not coming back, nor is our place “worth” 500k like our sales agent claimed, nor is it worth the 440k it was appraised for which had us with “instant equity”, and “guaranteed appreciation”. and a NODOC loan for the wife. Now we are caught with our “pants are on the ground”.
My wife is an underemployed grocery checker but apparently the underwriters did not care cuz her fico was good enough to justify their “risk”
I hope this is satire
All true. What part makes you think it’s satire, that they underwrote it, its appraisal value, our stupidity to put so much good money after bad out of a feeling of obligation?Pay or walk? the wolves are at the door again this month. and Oregon is a non recourse state
Friend’s sister has lost the upside-down home, fancy car, yuppie job, marriage, credit, etc., somewhere out between Bend and Redmond. Early forties, not fat (+1), an easy seven on the ten scale; she’ll bounce back, hopefully smarter.
There is still a sucker born every minute. We’ve got recent grads here is San Jose who still think buying a $300K STUDIO condo right out of school is a really good idea.
Who’s lending to these jokers? I thought that banks “weren’t lending?”
…said he couldn’t imagine buying a house without the extra boost.
Then, clearly, he has no business whatsoever buying a house right now.
All of us HBBers are still having to compete with these zero-down dolts. Many of us had hoped that the bursting bubble would clear out all these idiots, but the govt has made sure to keep the most ill-informed, least responsible, high-debt-loving, riskiest buyers in the game.
Lovely.
““Mr. Rosenberg doesn’t rule out the possibility of switching from condos to apartments, saying his capital source ‘is providing us total flexibility’ to respond to changes in market conditions. ‘We’re prepared to go rental if sales don’t go as well,’ he says.””
Switching from apples to oranges isn’t helpful in an oversupply situation. You’ll still end up with rotten fruit.
“You’ll still end up with rotten fruit.”
As a change of pace, here’s a recipe for “The HBB Rotten Fruit Stew “
MIx together: 5 MILLION houses going into foreclosure, the expiration of the $8000 “naive” credit by june and the end of the Feb buying toxic MBS/CDO paper in April[ i.e.-rates going UP]; Stuff into Hank P’s chromed dome, shake like a marineland killer whale, wait until September; open contents of head via guillotine and…Voila! ….nuthin’ but butterflies and Unicorns!
(from CNN/Money) “Duck! Watch out for falling home prices”
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Duck-Watch-out-for-falling-cnnm-2203896884.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=7&asset=&ccode=
(from Tech/Ticker) “Markets Freaking Out Again…”
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/markets-freaking-out-again—-so-it%27s-a-great-time-to-stay-diversified-430957.html?tickers=tlt,tbt,%5Edji,%5Egspc,dia,spy,xlf&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=
You left out serve over diced Joshua trees.
DICED? Blasphemy! You’re supposed to serve the spears whole, like asparagus.
“You left out serve over diced Joshua trees.”
Excellent idea but JT’s are usually a “stuffing.”
And, of course, we’re too polite to say where.
“And, of course, we’re too polite to say where.”
I think Oxide did…. in a roundabout way.
Mary Feeney and her neighbors contacted their alderman, who said to call the city. They did and the city sued their developer, Jerry Czerwik. But Feeney and her neighbors were also named on the lawsuit
Pols may be more crooked than lawyers. Go to a lawyer, and it’s HOA v. Developer. Go to the city and it’s Chicago v. HOA & Developer.
Maybe Polly can help, it’s been decades since civ. pro. for me. Don’t you move for dismissal against HOA on basis of misjoinder of parties?
Me? The last time I dealt with civil procedure was a few hours before I took the bar exam. Don’t do courtroom stuff. Did transactions. Now create information.
Is there a litigator in the house?
I litigate, but not civil.
You realize that as we type there are poor traumatized souls taking the winter CA bar exam probably striving to remember everything they ever learned about joinder.
On Crib Chatter today they had an excerpt of a public radio interview with a local agency owner. The owner, a Mr. Lucido, assures us that prices here will not go much lower because….more and more people are deciding to wait it out or put their places up for rent until prices recover.
And haven’t we heard (ad nauseum) that rents are dropping like a rock?
The owner, a Mr. Lucido, assures us that prices here will not go much lower because….more and more people are deciding to wait it out or put their places up for rent until prices recover.
Mr. Lucido is a frequent poster over there as well. He keeps it basic, like repeating the “location, location, location” mantra whenever people are mocking a Lincoln Park property.
At the risk of sounding like a grumbling old man (again)….
Is it just me, or do the kids/younger people today believe the propaganda that the MSM/government puts out WAY too much? Out here in Red State/Flyover Country, it’s as if anything broadcast by Fox News is Holy Script.
They remind me of the stories I’ve read about all the “best and brightest” rushing to join the European armies in August 1914.
Several years ago, I donated most of my personal library to the local high school. Have subsequently found out hat most of the books in the library are gathering dust. Seems that thanks to “No Child left Behind”, schools are spending all their eforts into “teaching the test”. So it’s the textbooks and the internet to research facts for reports.
My aircraft mechanic’s school was similar. Except that the FAA and the instructors freely admitted that getting the A&P was a “license to learn”, and that it was mainly intended to weed out people who didn’t have the skill/basic intelligence to perform the job.
(That’s what I like about this business…..for the most part, no matter what your race/creed/gender/sexual preferences, you have to demonstrate a certain level of competence for a given position. Fakers/pretenders/hacks are “outed” pretty quickly).
(Old man kicking in….) Back in my day, our High School had classes where you read novels like “The Grapes of Wrath”, “Black Boy”, “Moby Dick” and “Catch-22″, science fiction, and a class where there was a class discussion about current events (and there was plenty to discuss in 1972-1975). It had the benefit of making you realize that some of the things you were hearing from your immediate circle of acquaintances might possibly be B.S.
All of those classes have gone away. I don’t think the current curriculum is an improvement.
(old guy rant off)
I don’t think they’ve gone away, but it’s been a while since HS for me, too.
You make great points, X-GS.
“Minnesota’s housing market is stabilizing, but prices dropped more here than the national average. Mortgage delinquency is at or over the national average in Isanti, Sherburne, and Chisago counties. These three, as well as Anoka and Scott counties, are among the state’s ten counties currently hardest hit by foreclosure, according to the New York Federal Reserve Bank.”
If you look up the definition of stable or stabilizing I don’t think that this is the entry you will find. I really don’t think the first sentence is a very good example of a valid syllogism either.
From the original post:
“However, borrowers need to be qualified, he said. ‘We are not doing a borrower any favors if we make them a loan they cannot afford,’ he added. ‘Look at foreclosure notices; a vast majority are from out-of-town banks.’”
Uh-oh! We have a truth-telling in the banking industry!
“Until recently, the buildings department depended on developers to call during construction when they were ready for an inspection, sort of an honor system. Those who wanted to avoid scrutiny could just not call. Many of the developers in Janes’s cases, like Mary Feeney’s, never got a certificate of occupancy showing final inspections had been done.”
This is rich, bawahahaha, the developers were on “sort of an honor system”. I don’t think this would work anywhere let alone Chicago.
This is rich, bawahahaha, the developers were on “sort of an honor system”. I don’t think this would work anywhere let alone Chicago.
I can vouch for this ridiculous system actually being in place — my former condo was subject to just such a ploy. And it worked about as well as you might think.
What they’re not telling you is the inspectors were culpable as well, and owners in the midst of a buying frenzy sometimes thought the inspections didn’t matter (HA!). Chicago inspectors often rubber-stamped certificates, and in some cases I doubt they ever visited the building, or simply took the developer’s word for it. My old building had defective non-code plumbing, and a proper city inspection would’ve caught it. Yet in that case, the city signed off on the inspection, despite the later-obvious flaws.
Why does HBB eat my posts?
Mine too… I posted this AM but it never appeared on the site.
The filtration system zaps us all from time to time.
Those comments went through. I’ve just been having a software/server problem with comments and posts.
Good luck with the problem. I would be sunk, I know nothing about software programs.
Better than an underwater alligator of a house eating all your cash flow.. Look at the positive side!
i have a girlfriend that eats up all my cash flow. before the girl people used to ridicule me about my boat. They said it was a money pit. the girl makes the boat look like not such a bad deal. i think i derive more pleasure from the boat.
Get married - it will be twice the cost and zero the fun
I guess it was before your time, but we used to have a recurring bit of folk wisdom posted here about renting:
“If it flies, floats or fornicates, it’s probably cheaper to rent.”
Diogenes,
She only eats up the cash flow to the extent that you let her. Perhaps have an honest discussion with her about it?
Good luck!
“John Addler and his fiancée moved in together a little earlier than planned last month. In this economy, it was a sound financial decision. The 26-year-old Best Buy employee, who had planned to buy a home after his wedding this spring, got a jump-start and purchased a three-bedroom house in Shakopee, spurred by an $8,000 federal tax credit for first-time home buyers that will expire in April.”
Look for a future Dave Ramsey call-in with this guy. He will be getting divorced, with credit card debt up the yahoo, and the home underwater facing foreclosure. That’s what happens when don’t plan for Murphy to pop his head up. My wife and I stayed in an apartment for 2 whole years before buying a house. My guess is John Addler doesn’t even have cash to put 20% down.
My wife and I stayed in an apartment for 2 whole years before buying a house.
My parents were apartment dwellers for almost nine years after their marriage. My impending arrival motivated them to have a house built. Nice place. I have fond memories of it.
Like, for example, falling down the stairs and seeing my mother waiting in horror at the bottom of the stairs. I wasn’t hurt, but boy, was she frightened.
I could go on, but you get the point. I was a curious kid who found all sorts of things to get into.
When I was three, I stuck a piece of wire in an electrical outlet. When nothing happened, I stuck it in the other side. POW - I saw stars ! and was knocked backwards about three feet and was briefly unconscious. It was like living a real-life comic book scene.
For decades I had a scar on the inside of my wrist where I was burned, but I can’t see it anymore at all.
The fact that I tried the second time shows how truly bright and precocious I was. I KNEW that something was supposed to happen!
That’s the sort of story that really freaks parents out!
This is what has always disturbed me about this national “mania”:
the Carlyle’s last sale has something in common with a lot of homes that have sold this year — buyers believe they got a really good deal. Almost every condo building in downtown has units for sale that are priced $100,000 less than people paid for them a few years ago.”
“‘There are some really good values out there. I think they are almost jaw-dropping they seem so low to me,’ she said.”
OVERPAYING for overpriced housing leads to the foolish thinking that getting something only marginally overpriced is a “good deal”.
People have lost any concept of what a unit should sell for. As long as the payment schedule can be arranged to accommodate the purchase, then fools rush in to get the good deal. It’s like people buying automobiles for $100,000 that should be selling for $30,000, all bidding up prices. When the bidding stops, $50,000 looks like a good deal, but the replacement cost is $30,000. It just take too long for reason to set back in when these financial bubbles are allowed to grow and fester.
“Leverage Works Just As Swiftly In Reverse”
… if not more so.
i think it would be much more effective if lenders were more like loan sharks with ties to Mafia-type gangs, where they could put the screws to people who welched on their bad bets. It’s too easy to default and just walk away. How can you be effectively hammered for your leveraged bets if you don’t feel the full impact of the losses??
Bring back debtor’s prison
“The Fed’s mortgage-buying will end March 31, and the home-buyer tax credit expires at the end of April. Many believe that the modest recovery during the last few months will prove to be a fiction when these government-backed programs end. ‘I see no evidence that this [industry] has the capacity to stand on its own two legs. Even with these dramatic government efforts to bolster home sales, they’re still languishing at recessionary levels,’ said David Rosenberg, chief global economist at Gluskin Sheff & Associates Inc.”
Why would any reasonable person (which I assume David Rosenberg is) presume any of the myriad government-backed programs we now see in place would ever end, without the government replacing it with a program of equal or greater anticipated housing market stimulus effect?
You’re depressing me, PB.
(because you’re right)
“Feeney says she now knows one thing for sure. FEENEY: ‘I will never buy a property in Chicago again.’”
But we will stick the rest of America with the Chicago way…
I left Chicago and Illinois three years ago because - after 31 years - well, I finally became too disgusted.
Nothing surprises me about Chicago developers/politicians anymore.
Nothing.