February 28, 2010

The Perfect Storm Of Stupid In California

The Sacramento Bee reports from California. “Hundreds of area homeowners poured into the Sacramento Convention Center on Friday with tales of financial distress, worry, fear and anger. They were looking for hope at an eight-hour foreclosure prevention workshop. One of those in line, Peggy Tripp, a mother of three, said she has no financial reserves remaining to save her home. ‘I just don’t know who else to turn to. Nobody else will talk with me. So I’m hoping I can get some satisfaction here today.’”

“Mary Pendleton, who said she lives in the Rosemont area east of downtown Sacramento, said she has been struggling to make a $2,200-a-month payment ‘for a long time, long before all this began. We don’t have any savings left.’”

“Bob Tull of the El Dorado County community of Cool said he was hoping to get his nearly $3,000-a-month payment modified, having ‘burned through about all I have.’ Tull said he worked more than 30 years as a contractor, and now he’s delivering mail to help out.”

“Jonelle Smith of Sacramento said she showed up with home loan documents ‘because a friend of mine told me this was going on. … I’m hoping to get some help from somebody, anybody.’ A couple of hours later, a disconsolate Smith walked away, saying, ‘I couldn’t get help today.’”

“The California Association of Realtors said this week that 67 percent of all home sellers in California in 2009 did so as a result of difficulties related to meeting their mortgage obligations.”

The LA Times. “It’s been 16 months since Eugene and Patricia Harrison last paid the mortgage on their Perris home. Eleven months since the notice got slapped on their front door, warning that it would be sold at auction. ‘ Still, they remain in the yellow ranch-style home they bought seven years ago for $128,000, with its views of the San Jacinto Mountains. They’re not planning on going anywhere.”

“We’re kind of on pins and needles, but who’d want to leave when you put this kind of energy into a house?’ said Eugene Harrison.”

“In the Inland Empire, an estimated 100,000 homeowners are living rent-free, according to economist John Husing, who based that number on the difference between loan delinquencies and foreclosures. Industry experts say it’s difficult to say how many families are in that situation nationally because only banks know for sure how many customers have stopped paying entirely. Economists say the situation won’t last forever, but in the meantime the ‘amnesty’ may allow at least some homeowners to regain their financial footing and avoid eviction.”

“In Diamond Bar, the Fraguere family is finally moving on after living rent-free for 18 months. Job loss and other setbacks prevented them from paying their mortgage, but they say they didn’t hear anything from the bank, First Franklin, until a real estate agent showed up at their door last month saying she was going to sell their house. Sandy Fraguere wasn’t surprised that it had taken the bank so long to ask them to move.”

“‘I don’t think they really knew what was going on or who was there,’ she said.”

“Next stop for the Fragueres is a hotel, where they plan to stay for two weeks until their apartment in Chino Hills is ready for them to move in. Their dogs are being boarded and their belongings stored until they can retrieve them someday. Their children, ages 8 and 9, are being steeled for more instability. The Fragueres have started saying goodbye to their neighbors, adding yet another empty house to a block that has already seen two other families forced to pack up and leave.”

The Glendale News Press. “Area home prices rose in December for the seventh straight month, according to a real estate report released Tuesday. But the recent gains do not reflect the beginnings of a true recovery in the market, experts and agents said. Fifteen of the 20 metropolitan areas included in the report showed price declines in December.”

“The government’s efforts to ease regulations on banks while stimulating demand have brought high competition for limited inventory, said Barry Burnett, the owner of Barry Burnett Realty Inc. in Burbank. But banks have had no incentive to foreclose on properties that have lost significant value, with some still down as much as 22% from their peak values in 2006, Burnett said.”

“‘What we have is the perfect storm of stupid,’ said Barry Burnett.”

“Unless banks begin foreclosing on homes and putting them up for sale, the market will not begin to operate naturally and eventually grow in strength, he said. But when banks finally do begin selling foreclosed properties, the effect will likely be challenging for homeowners, said Keith Sorem, a Glendale-based agent for Keller Williams Real Estate. ‘The other side of the coin is that if we had a lot of inventory, values would probably depress, and we have no control over it,’ he said.”

The Press Democrat. “The North Coast wine industry, home to the highest concentration of high-end wineries and vineyards in the nation, is reeling from the impacts of a recession that has made it chic to drink cheap wine. ‘This is beyond a recession. This is a complete resetting of the clock,’ said Sebastopol winemaker Tim Olson, co-owner of the boutique Olson Ogden wine brand.”

“Banks are pressuring these wineries to put up additional cash or assets as collateral, and some are finding that a difficult task, according to Allan Hemphill, a financial adviser to several area wineries. ‘I think you are going to see foreclosures and I think there’s going to be quite a few of them,’ Hemphill said.”

“There is something of a standoff in the market at the moment, according to veteran Sonoma vineyard appraiser Tony Correia. The handful of buyers are largely expecting to find great deals, but winery owners are reluctant to sell at such steep discounts, Correia said. ‘Sellers think it’s 2007, and buyers think it’s the 1930s,’ Correia said.”

“‘A lot of property owners really haven’t faced up to reality. They are still in denial,’ Correia said. ‘They think they are going to work their way out of these things, but some of them have dug themselves a pretty deep hole.’”

The Times Herald. “A full 61 percent of Solano County homeowners, or 56,787 mortgage holders, owe more on their homes than they are worth at the end of last year, First American CoreLogic reported this week. The latest report showed that, with 35 percent of its mortgages are under water, California remains among the five states in which negative equity is concentrated. In numerical terms, the report’s authors found California’s 2.4 million and Florida’s 2.2 million upside down mortgages atop the pack. They account for 4.6 million, or 41 percent, of all negative equity loans, its authors noted.”

“The report found a close tie between negative equity and preforeclosure activity. It’s also a major factor in homeowner default behavior, it noted. ‘Once negative equity exceeds 25 percent, or the mortgage balance is $70,000 higher than the current property values, owners begin to default with the same propensity as investors,’ said First American CoreLogic Chief Economist Mark Fleming.”

“Calling the report ‘not an unrealistic interpretation of the statistics,’ local Realtor Jeff Dennis said, “When it becomes clear that you’re throwing good money after bad, some people will tend to walk away. But as things in the market stabilize — and with loan modification programs available — more people will hopefully decide to hang on to their homes a while longer and things will turn around.’”

“Solano County has seen an 1,100 percent increase in new home construction permits so far this year compared to 2009, a building industry organization reported Friday…far and away the biggest jump, according to the California Building Industry Association’s latest report. Merced came in a distant second with a 600 percent increase.”

“Home-building officials, however, caution against calling this a recovery, as the numbers for January 2009 were extremely low. ‘Anything from nothing is an up,’ local Realtor Jeff Dennis said.”

The Modesto Bee. “Stanislaus County home construction in January hit its lowest level in more than two decades, but at least one local builder thinks there’s an opportunity in this down market. Florsheim Homes of Stockton bought up vacant lots in Riverbank and started building modest-size homes with prices starting at $182,900.”

“Joseph Anfuso, who runs Florsheim, is convinced the renamed Valley Oaks development will be popular with buyers. That subdivision used to be very popular, back during the region’s building boom when it was called Sterling Ridge. In 2005 when the 200-lot subdivision was owned by JKB Homes, up to 100 would-be buyers were on the waiting list for homes that had base prices of $342,000 to $431,000.”

“By last spring, JKB had slashed its prices, offering a 1,575-square-foot home for $225,340. Anfuso said his company bought 11 of Sterling Ridge’s remaining lots from JKB and another 16 lots from Guaranty Bank, which had repossessed them. At the peak of the building boom, Anfuso said, similar finished lots cost $130,000 to $150,000 each for the land, government fees and infrastructure. He said some foreclosed lots in the Northern San Joaquin Valley are selling for less than $10,000 each, but the Riverbank lots cost more than that.”

“‘We bought those lots at a huge discount,’ said Anfuso, who would not reveal the purchase price.”

The Victorville Daily Press. “The city is on a pace this year to exceed the number of building permits it issued in 2009 by 25 percent, leading some in the industry to see the Victor Valley as an oasis of hope in an industry battered by recession. ‘There are buyers out there who see (Victorville) as the most affordable market there is,’ Frank Williams, CEO of the Baldy View Chapter of the Building Industry Association, said.”

The Desert Sun. “John Husing is a longtime economist who focuses on Riverside and San Bernardino counties. Husing, ‘The critical question is one that can’t be answered: We don’t know for sure whether banks are going to, at some point, act precipitously against homeowners who are in trouble, but who — up until now — they’ve been allowing to slide.’”

“‘There are roughly 250,000 Notices of Default on file in Riverside and San Bernardino counties. We know there are more houses that are upside-down than that, so we don’t know if banks are holding off on the trustee’s sale or on evictions, the final act of foreclosure. With inventory on bank-owned homes down 50 percent, the market is acting precisely as predicted: Prices are slowly rising. Volume has made a big jump. Realtors are complaining about lack of supply.’”

“‘If banks do change their mind, aggressively take people’s houses and dump them on the market, then all bets are off: We could get double-dip recession. My forecast is, that won’t happen.’ Best advice for buyers: ‘If you don’t buy now, you’re nuts.’”

The Pasadena Star News. “Construction of new homes on one of the last sizeable open lots in the city is scheduled to start in April. Located just north of Pasadena High School, in a tree-lined neighborhood off Altadena Drive, the Rosecrest Lanes development will consist of 35 single-family homes, all above 2,500 square feet.”

“The developer, Pulte Homes, targeted the area specifically because its executives thought it was one of the few places where high-priced homes would sell in a down real-estate market. ‘Our focus is currently looking to highly desirable areas where home prices haven’t been badly affected,’ said Chris Haines, the president of Pulte’s Southern California Division. ‘Right now there’s a supply constraint for nice larger homes in Pasadena - not enough to go around.’”

“The price of the homes will start around $800,000 and will be custom built, said Haines.”

The North County. “Want to buy an empty lot in Escondido for under 15 grand? Too late!”

“Those kinds of deals were available Friday at the annual San Diego Tax Auction, where San Diego County Tax Collector Dan McAllister briefly became the county auctioneer. He tried to sell a record 197 lots and timeshares owned by people who had gone five years without paying their property taxes. Future homeowners, builders, and investors crowded a room at the San Diego Convention Center to score good buys and enjoy the thrill of the bidding.”

“Holly Stevenson and her husband, Matt Wilson had their eyes on an Escondido property near Lake Hodges as the future site for their dream home. The lot started with a minimum bid of $4,000, the sum of costs of sale and the taxes owed on the property (lots with buildings on them start at half the appraised value). A competitive auction followed, with Stevenson duking it out with bidders on either side of the room, but eventually winning the property for $11,500.”

“‘Usually, an empty lot around there is going for $50,000,’ Stevenson said. ‘So I’m very happy.’”

The Tribune. “Permits for new single-family and multifamily housing have slowed to a trickle in San Luis Obispo County, according to data from the Home Builders Association of the Central Coast. A total of 15 permits was issued in January, compared to 18 in January 2009. Last year, 372 permits were issued, down from 597 in 2008. The number of permits issued has declined each year since reaching a peak of 2,263 in 2004.”

“Jerry Bunin, government affairs director for the Central Coast association, said the number of foreclosures on the market is slowing the pace of building, and more foreclosures are expected. Depending on the type of unit, he said, it often doesn’t make sound financial sense for a builder to move forward because of the bargains that are out there in the home resale market.”

“Another issue for builders is the lack of credit, he said. ‘Even if they had a qualified buyer or a project that made sense, it’s hard to get money to build it,’ Bunin said.”

“The association is hopeful that construction will pick up later in the year. ‘No one anticipated this level of downturn,’ he said.”

The Ventura County Star. “Cash-strapped individuals and families resigned to sleeping illegally in their vehicles in Ventura may soon get some relief. Starting Monday, people can apply to be part of a pilot program that would allow certain vehicles and qualified participants to legally park overnight in one of two designated church parking lots.”

“The program is modeled after city-sanctioned parking programs in Santa Barbara and Eugene, Ore. While not ideal, a sanctioned place to park provides temporary relief while people seek stable housing, said Bill Finley, a captain with the Ventura Salvation Army, which is administering the program for the city. ‘I think there is going to be more demand than the spots we have,’ Finley said.”

The Record Searchlight. “Housing affordability in the greater Redding metropolitan area peaked in the final three months of 2009. The area’s median sales price closed out 2009 at $175,000, down from $181,000 in the third quarter. Area affordability has skyrocketed since the spring of 2006, when the greater Redding area’s index reached an all-time low of 11 percent with a median sales price of $280,000. Redding’s median income back then was $49,000.”

“‘A combination of declining prices and extremely low interest rates’ are driving affordability, said Eric Smith of Keller Williams Realty in Redding. ‘I am not sure if there is going to be a better time to buy, when you factor in the low prices, interest rates and the ($8,000) tax incentive (for first-time buyers).’”

“But with Shasta County’s unemployment rate around 16 percent, the dream of home ownership remains out of reach for many, Smith said. ‘Again, the big if is you have to have a job,’ he added.”

“Home values in the Redding area, which includes Anderson and Shasta Lake, fell 7.3 percent over the final three months of 2009 compared with the same quarter in 2008, according to the Federal Housing Finance Agency’s house price index (HPI). In a sign that prices might be leveling off, Redding values dropped a mere .37 percent from the third quarter of 2009. Home values here have fallen 8 percent over the last five years, the Federal Housing Finance Agency reported.”

“Redding made news in 2003 when the same index ranked it as the top appreciating housing market in the nation. Prices in Redding during the first quarter of that year jumped 16.3 percent over the previous year. Chico (16.04 percent) ranked second behind Redding and the five fastest-appreciating markets in the nation were in California during the first three months of 2003.”

“Year-over-year values in Redding reached their zenith during third quarter 2004 when the HPI reported prices jumped 26 percent. How crazy was the market back then? Redding couldn’t even crack the top 10 with that 26-percent leap.”

“The two areas that had the fastest rates of appreciation during the late summer of 2004 were Las Vegas (42 percent) and Riverside (34 percent), communities that have both been hammered by foreclosures.”

“So who capped 2009 as the fastest-appreciating community? Terre Haute, Ind., where prices nudged forward 3.1 percent compared with a year ago. Dubuque, Iowa, was second at 2.12 percent. Times have changed. That kind of appreciation would have made you a bottom-feeder six years ago.”

“The real estate world was very different in the Coachella Valley five years ago. Prospective buyers streamed through model homes while real estate agents poked pins onto maps to reflect constant sales — some posting $10,000 price gains by the month. Phones rang incessantly. Common were bidding wars, waiting lists, lotteries and house-flippers, the latter often cashing out six-digit profits.”

“It was fast and frenzied in 2005 as price seemed to be no object and affordability dissipated, squeezing many families out of the market.”

“The picture is a stark contrast to today’s market. The data, filtered from the Multiple Listing Service, market activity in key valley areas show that sales are up 25 percent compared to 2008. Overall sales volume is down 15 percent. Of 9,238 total home sales, 8,204 sold for $500,000 or less. The average sales price of homes below $500,000 was $182,369. That was 22 percent less than in 2008, when the average sales price was $236,160.”

“The sale of homes priced from $500,000 to $750,000 fell 21 percent. Of 9,238 total home sales, 452 homes sold above $750,000. Prices are so low that prospective buyers with cash, a ‘golden’ credit record, resilient investment portfolio and job security are swooping in to snag homes at prices not seen in nearly a decade.”




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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 10:05:25

“The Perfect Storm Of Stupid In California”

At what point will the storm rain helicopter drops of money? I’m guessing about the time there is a D-rat in the governor’s office…

Comment by combotechie
2010-02-28 11:40:15

You can put ten D-rats in the governor’s office and still it won’t rain dollars.

The rainmakers dwell in D.C, not the states.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 11:52:45

I’m thinking helicopter drops are far more likely to continually flood the streets of NYC and DC with liquidity, and leave the western desert states high and dry as a bone.

Thoughts?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 11:55:09

OK, here is a potential silver lining: So long as NYC and DC keep getting all the liquidity, smart East Coasters are likely to relocate to the Left Coast once our houses are available at fire sale prices. We could use more smart people and human capital out here, and affordable housing will be a great way to attract it, once it finally arrives.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-28 12:12:19

Cheap houses + no jobs + high taxes = Detroit, no?

 
Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-02-28 13:43:47

Overpriced houses + some jobs + high taxes: the Bay Area. The prices in San Fran and Marin County still have the rest of the country shaking their heads in disbelief.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 16:04:15

“The prices in San Fran and Marin County still have the rest of the country shaking their heads in disbelief.”

Think of it this way: With a conforming loan limit of $729,750 or so in high priced areas of Coastal Cali setting the maximum amount that can be wrapped into a federally guaranteed loan, the rest of the country is helping to prop up the high prices in San Fran and Marin County.

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-02-28 20:30:26

You wonder how the high prices can be maintained in the Bay Area. New York has bonus baby banksters to keep prices high. Silicon Valley has languished. What gives?

 
Comment by sfrenter
2010-02-28 20:57:30

I know, what gives??

And everyone here still saying,”it’s different here”.

Rents are coming down, at least.

 
Comment by laughing boy
2010-03-01 18:33:52

passed through Marin and saw countless places for sale. Wife and I were agog. Soon as we got off the highway and made our way into the hills, saw about 20 properties up for sale.

 
 
Comment by pismoclam
2010-02-28 15:23:49

Just so long as there is NO affordable housing deal. The bamster will throw more money at the problem and only make it worse. Let the foreclosure inventory ‘clear’ and the economy will come back. All the paper cuts in the world won’t help. Kill the community reinvestment act.

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-02-28 17:15:31

One observation that I’ve made over the years is that NYC, Washington, DC and Los Angeles are the three most self-absorbed cities in the country. I don’t mean the people in those cities, I mean the cities’ views of themselves.

People in New York believe that NY is the center of the universe. I’m a native NYer, so I’ve seen this first hand.

People in Washington believe that what goes on in DC is the most important happening in the world. Washingtonians don’t comprehend that people outside the Beltway don’t give a rat’s ass that when undersecretary of something or other breaks protocol it’s the lead story on the local newscast.

LA? I don’t even know where to begin…

NYC, DC, and LA are three self absorbed cities.

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Comment by dude
2010-03-01 13:50:25

Seattle, Chicago, and Dallas are three more.

 
Comment by Tom
2010-03-01 20:51:57

I find Poughkeepsie especially self-absorbed.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 10:07:02

“‘What we have is the perfect storm of stupid,’ said Barry Burnett.”

BwaHahHaHoHOHOhohOhOHeeHeehehehHEHHEEEWhoHah!!!

Comment by mikey
2010-02-28 16:57:40

“The Victorville Daily Press. “The city is on a pace this year to exceed the number of building permits it issued in 2009 by 25 percent, leading some in the industry to see the Victor Valley as an oasis of hope in an industry battered by recession. ‘There are buyers out there who see (Victorville) as the most affordable market there is,’ Frank Williams, CEO of the Baldy View Chapter of the Building Industry Association, said.”

Unless somebody secretly discovered real gold at the Victorville Narrows Mojave riverbed, somebody is doing some crystal meth …big time.
;)

Comment by SDGreg
2010-03-01 20:22:16

‘There are buyers out there who see (Victorville) as the most affordable market there is,’

Detroit’s affordable too. But is there any other good reason to live in either place?

 
 
Comment by Backstage
2010-02-28 21:06:06

Does John Husing’s comment qualify as part of the perfoct storm of stupic?

“If you don’t buy now, you’re nuts.”

Husing’s been nuts about RE for years. His is the last advice I’d take.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 10:08:16

Dumb question of the day:

For how much longer can the PTB possibly remain in the denial phase of the housing bubble stages of grief?

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-28 14:31:38

PB, they are definitely not in denial. If they were they would not be snapping up trillions in MBS and using Fannie and Freddie as massive dumpsters. They are in the bargaining phase. They are trying to make a deal with the devil to get the whole thing to stop. So far, the devil is laughing his ass off.

I have been doing a lot of research this weekend on some areas of the country and the drops they have been seeing. The markets are correcting and they are healing. Perhaps San Diego and NYC are not at the forefront of that list. But as these first markets correct they will change the financial dynamic of the entire country.

The holdout areas are just waiting on deck and the on-deck circle can be a dangerous place. Wandering into that circle can be a dangerous thing. Let me give a firsthand example. When I was 6 or 7 I was at my sister’s softball game. She was 10 or 11. I wasn’t paying attention and soon my whole world went black. I took a softball bat right to my mush. Boy, that is a lesson you only need to learn once. Areas such as San Diego, L.A. and NYC are going to learn that lesson. Trust me, it’s a bitch.

Comment by maldonash
2010-03-01 01:24:17

Nice NYCityBoy … the image of the bat hitting the mush made me chuckle and brought back some memories. I live in downtown LA and midtown Manhattan - waiting for many many many years now to see some semblance of sanity. I have to pay my city taxes for Los Angeles based upon gross worldwide receipts not before March 1st - wishing I could send in an IOU especially after paying our state and federal taxes, payroll taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, duties, social security and medicare, unemployment insurance, assorted alphabet soup taxes on many bills … love this time of the year.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 10:11:33

“A competitive auction followed, with Stevenson duking it out with bidders on either side of the room, but eventually winning the property for $11,500.”

“‘Usually, an empty lot around there is going for $50,000,’ Stevenson said. ‘So I’m very happy.’”

If what he said is right, then this would be a haircut for the seller in the neighborhood of

100*((50,000-11,500)/50,000) = 77 percent.

Is San Diego County going the way of Detroit?

Comment by BottomFisher
2010-02-28 10:33:54

These morons get sucked into thinking they are buying property just by giving the tax collector the amount owed, then they discover to their horror that there is at least one big bank loan on the property they did know about that they have to pay to really own it. Happening all over the country.Fools.

Comment by Jackie Childs
2010-02-28 12:28:56

These morons get sucked into thinking they are buying property just by giving the tax collector the amount owed, then they discover to their horror that there is at least one big bank loan on the property they did know about that they have to pay to really own it. Happening all over the country.Fools

I’m not expert on this but I would double check this statement. I think property tax liens are senior no matter when they are recorded to mortgages and any other liens. If there were a mortgage on the property, I think that gets wiped out with the tax sale. Can anybody confirm?

Comment by OCBear
2010-02-28 13:05:13

I was once involved with family buying Tax Liens through a company known as Tax Lien Aquisitions. In the end we just got back our money and interest as the liens were paid off over about 3 years. Not really a great investment.

One of my family members did an additional block of loans. Ok, to back up a bit, you would give $5K, $10K or whatever to TLA they would show up at the County sales and buy them in your name. This family member actually got 2 of the properties via quiet title about 4 years later. Couple years after that got them sold. One of them had a pack of dogs living in it, beleive it was South Carolina.

As I recall certain states had unique laws that you would not want to buy in, Texas comes to mind. Something about the original owners able to come back and get the property even many years later.

In addition, Tax Lien Aquisitions blew up because of a divorce for the owner and the last rounds of paperwork an attorney had to be used along with a Real Estate Agent.

Thought this might be found interesting.

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Comment by frank
2010-02-28 13:20:52

Yes and No.
The tax lein buyer can end up with clear title to property.
After a convoluted process, which varies from state to state-local government can issue clear title to property.
The bank loses any claim to the property and must go after the previous owner in civil court.
Thats why they show up on the courthouse steps to bid on tax leins.
Hope this helps-but not the whole story-lots more to know.

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Comment by scdave
2010-02-28 10:47:03

Pbear…Check my post in the Bits regarding the bicycle…

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 10:56:24

Thx.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-02-28 19:19:47

OMG…Are they raising and eating bunnies in San Diago ?

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-02-28 20:34:11

No. The city center of Detroit died first, the rest is following. In San Diego the opposite applies. But we can hope! ;-)

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-03-01 20:26:27

Is San Diego County going the way of Detroit?

No. San Diego has a climate Detroit can only dream about. But San Diego has more than a small number of problems, most self inflicted.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 10:14:25

“The two areas that had the fastest rates of appreciation during the late summer of 2004 were Las Vegas (42 percent) and Riverside (34 percent), communities that have both been hammered by foreclosures.”

Tentative conclusions:

1) Places with the most rapid parabolic bubble price blowouts are crashing the hardest.

2) Ergo, look for San Diego, Los Angeles and San Francisco to all crash hard going forward.

Comment by Jerry
2010-02-28 13:22:13

You got that right. Big “sun tax” to pay but no snow shovel in the garage

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-28 14:33:55

Former co-worker’s Vegas house:

Bought in 2005: $340,000

Price in 2010 if listed today: $130,000

Cue the music from Deliverance.

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-02-28 17:21:26

What does $130k buy in Vegas these days?

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Comment by rms
2010-02-28 19:43:34

“Bought in 2005…”

Oh my gawd the timing humanity.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 10:27:14

“The North Coast wine industry, home to the highest concentration of high-end wineries and vineyards in the nation, is reeling from the impacts of a recession that has made it chic to drink cheap wine. ‘This is beyond a recession. This is a complete resetting of the clock,’ said Sebastopol winemaker Tim Olson, co-owner of the boutique Olson Ogden wine brand.”

Silver lining: Great California wine available at less than $10 a bottle.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-28 12:24:23

I’ll drink to that!

I’ve been worried that the supposed rise of Chindia’s middle class might put upward pressure on wine prices, but there seems no evidence of it. Maybe they don’t like wine?

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-28 14:35:06

I am hoping for serious problems in the Tennessee economy. A crash of the price of Jack Daniels would be better than getting some stupid pony for Christmas.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-02-28 15:50:29

Ain’t that the truth. Price of JD is out of control.

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Comment by ET-Chicago
2010-02-28 21:23:35

In China, at least, there are pantloads of American and European entrepreneurs trying to drum up interest cultivate new markets for wine and liquor sales. We’ll see if it works.

 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-02-28 12:26:59

Two buck Chuck is “Cellared & Bottled by Charles Shaw Winery, Napa and Sonoma, CA.”

I’m wondering if the quality of Two Buck is going up these days? Sometimes I cannot taste the difference between their $2.00 Merlot and one of the $25 Napa brands.

Cheap wine is chic.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-28 14:36:31

“Cheap wine is chic.”

Too bad cheap chicks whine.

Comment by mikey
2010-02-28 17:18:30

“Bottle of wine
Fruit of the vine
When you gonna let me get sober
Leave me alone
Let me go home
Let me go home
And start over”
;)

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-02-28 22:37:36

I didn’t know Judy sang this first..

BOTTLE OF WINE
(Tom Paxton)

Judy Collins - 1964
The Kingston Trio - 1965
The Fireballs - 1967
The Royal Guardsmen - 1968

http://lyricsplayground.com/alpha/songs/b/bottleofwine.shtml

 
 
 
Comment by Eggman
2010-02-28 23:38:08

Charles Shaw is indeed “bottled” in Napa, from wine trucked in from the central valley. Bronco buys all sorts of wine, cheap. You never know what you’ll be getting in that bottle. Good luck.

http://www.sfweekly.com/2005-08-24/news/discount-dynasty

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-03-01 07:21:44

My skeptical mind guessed as much. That does not mean I don’t enjoy Two Buck Chuck.

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Comment by pismoclam
2010-02-28 15:29:02

Bronco Wine Co., home of two buck Chuck.

Comment by DennisN
2010-02-28 19:48:00

Please, that’s two buck upchuck. Also sold as Crane Lake in non-TJ states.

Comment by Suzyk
2010-03-02 21:16:46

Crane Lake is sold right here in Half Moon Bay, CA at the local New Leaf Market @ $2.99. Seriously though the under $10.00 good wine is the latest trendy thing around these parts. Personally we are finding all kinds of great wines in the $10.00-$20.00 catagory. There is the serious glut of wines (and juice for that matter) from bigger prodcuers. Ol’ Cameron Hughes is reaping the benefits of all that cheap juice. Good stuff at a great price.

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Comment by NoSingleOne
2010-02-28 10:38:13

“Next stop for the Fragueres is a hotel, where they plan to stay for two weeks until their apartment in Chino Hills is ready for them to move in. Their dogs are being boarded and their belongings stored until they can retrieve them someday. Their children, ages 8 and 9, are being steeled for more instability. The Fragueres have started saying goodbye to their neighbors…

I grew up near Diamond Bar…I don’t know these people but the fact that they lived rent free for 18 months would not warrant a pity party from me. I would guess that 18 mos of savings on a median priced home there would yield almost 60-75K in savings, assuming they could only afford 75% of their payment.

I can’t begrudge them for walking away, but save the drama about the “instability” for someone from Haiti or Chile. There’s no way these folks are poor, they just bought too much house for their income.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-28 14:38:39

“I would guess that 18 mos of savings on a median priced home there would yield almost 60-75K in savings”

I have a $20 bill in my pocket that says these fools saved a net of $0 or less during that 18 months. Any takers?

Comment by B. Durbin
2010-02-28 15:15:57

Potentially, they used the money that they could have put toward the mortgage toward paying debt load. That would at least be better than nothing.

No bet.

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-02-28 15:33:40

heheh.. well see it’s just so haaard,family kids soccer dentist Disneyland blah blah blah

 
 
 
Comment by SV guy
2010-02-28 10:49:40

I wonder how Joe Montana will fare with the sale of his vineyard estate?
He has it listed for $49 million. I did a minute amount of work at his Atherton home he has since sold. After seeing that place I can guarantee his latest creation is a masterpiece.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-28 14:40:11

$49 million sounds like a hail Mary pass. He was much better at throwing slant passes to Jerry Rice.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 10:57:49

“The association is hopeful that construction will pick up later in the year. ‘No one anticipated this level of downturn,’ he said.”

HBB posters = ‘no one’?

Comment by hip in zilker
2010-02-28 12:20:18

HBB posters can’t be counted, otherwise how could all this stuff have been unexpected?

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-28 14:41:26

‘No one anticipated this level of downturn,’ he said.”

“No one anticipated this level of downturn that had their head shoved squarely up their own ass.”

Better?

Comment by hip in zilker
2010-02-28 20:47:38

So the problem with the media has been lack of proper editing…

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Comment by Carl Morris
2010-02-28 11:14:25

‘Sellers think it’s 2007, and buyers think it’s the 1930s,’

Wow, that’s a big difference. Wonder who will end up being right?

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-28 14:43:02

I see a book title for 2010: “Buyers Are From Mars and Sellers Are From Uranus”

 
Comment by BottomFisher
2010-02-28 21:21:01

Cost of Living 1930
How Much things cost in 1930
The Yearly Inflation Percentage USA ? UK - 2.8%
Average Cost of new house $7,145.00
Average wages per year $1,970.00
Cost of a gallon of Gas 10 cents
Average Cost for house rent $15.00 per month
A loaf of Bread 9 cents
A LB of Hamburger Meat 13 cents
Magic Chef Gas Cooker $195.00
Pontiac Big Six Car $745.00

Used House salesman commission - 3 cents

Ok…I made up the last one.

 
Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2010-03-01 14:28:00

buyers think it’s the 1930s

They want to invade Poland?

 
 
Comment by combotechie
2010-02-28 11:53:17

“The North Coast wine industry, home to the highest concentration of high-end wineries and vineyards in the nation, is reeling from the impacts of a recession that has made it chic to drink cheap wine.”

The world-wide wine glut has made ALL wine cheap wine.

These winemakers are hosed. Quality or not, there is simply too much wine for sale. Every winemaker on the planet - and there are a LOT of them - HAS to sell this year’s wine in order to make room for next year’s supply. And next year’s supply will be GREATER than this year’s supply because there are a LOT of grapevines coming into maturity which means a LOT more grapes will be harvested which means a LOT more wine will be produced.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-02-28 12:30:34

The pessimistic side of me says they will pour their inventory down the sewar system rather than sell it for cheap.

Comment by combotechie
2010-02-28 12:38:41

That doesn’t pay the bills.

What might help pay the bills is to convince EVERBODY ELSE to pour THEIR wine down the drains.

Or declare imported wine as being tainted and hence limit their imports.

Or pray for locusts.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-28 13:14:13

Yeah, more likely they’ll say they’re pouring it down the sewer, but really sell it to a big operation like Charles Shaw or Mondavi.

Or they’ll come out with a lower-priced line of wine that actually sells, while trying to keep their high-end line afloat, and not ‘cheapen’ their brand.

Either way, it’s a good time to be a renting wino. This is my favorite example of deflation yet. Now it’s time for craft beer to come down in price…oh, and ridiculously overpriced tequila.

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Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-02-28 14:08:11

My suspicions are that Trader Joe’s wines will improve but keep the same price (between $2 and $3). A box of 12 750ml bottles cost me under $27. Let’s say $26.99. That’s just under $2.25 per bottle. A colleague at work who drives an Infinite GS35, has a townhose in Redondo Beach (”South RB in 90277 is the better part of RB,” according to him), is a little older than me but most likely earns in the lower $100k figure often shops for $60 to $80 per bottle wines at discounters. Once a week he proudly opens the trunk of his infinite after we return from lunch. A dozen bottles. Caymus ($60 range), Caymus preserves or something - $90 to $110 range. He hasn’t caught onto the trend of buying cheap wines. He does admit one thing about Trader Joe wines: It’s hit or miss. TJs is not consistent. You buy a bunch of bottles and you get a mix of very good tasting wines and some not as good. It’s like a grab bag. Still I occasionally get an “expensive” bottle of some Napa variety (like $25 worth) and ensure I will have something I like to drink in my lone evenings.

How about advice from a 91 year old wino (Jack LaLanne). Well he’s in his mid-90s by now, but drinks 4 oz of red wine with lunch and 4 oz of red wine with dinner. Swims 90 minutes each morning and follows that by lifting weights or walking for 30 minutes.

Sorry to SUguy. But LaLanne touts the anti-aging effects of red wine. LaLanne’s own father died of heart problems in his 50s. Probably smoked instead of drank wine.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-02-28 19:45:23

“Caymus preserves”. :lol:

Famous moments in malapropisms:

“Lee Harvey Oswald? He’s the guy who shot Kennedy from that book suppository building.”

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 21:27:32

“My suspicions are that Trader Joe’s wines will improve but keep the same price (between $2 and $3).”

Bill — I think along the same lines. My observation was that Two Buck Chuck tasted best back in the early 2000s, around the time of the tech stock bust and dot com bomb. Barring the dreaded collusive sewar-dump scenario I mentioned in another post, I am expected improved quality in low-end wines over the foreseeable future.

 
Comment by Zeus Matuze
2010-02-28 21:57:24

Have family with 42 acres in the Russian River appellation (Hahaha…fauxfrench terms crack me up…sorry). The big secret is that ALL wine is a blend of something NOT on the label. Fast Freddie Franzia just outed the over priced “snooty fifths” and the industry hates him. The wine bubble will pop shortly and all the FB ( effed bottlers) will need a obama bailout card to play.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/05/18/090518fa_fact_goodyear

…and I lived in Mary Pendleton’s Rosemont when it was brand new and hip to live there –“For children’s sake, live in Rosemont!”.
The folks paid $18,500 for the biggest of the THREE models of the 500 homes that you could buy. Since 1960, it has turned into a hip slum. $2200 a month!!!????

…and about that guy Bob Tull in Cool, Calif.. I know that area. It is way the hell up the canyon and was supposed to be a trendy gated community overlooking Auburn Lake. The dam wasn’t built, the Lake didn’t happen and the area fizzled. They’re going to change the name from “Cool” to “Mundane.”

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 19:15:56

This would only work well if it were coordinated through industry-wide collusion. If I pour my inventory down the sewar system unilaterally, my competitor’s inventory increases in value and mine goes down the sewar.

The pessimistic side of me says illegal collusion will coordinate the pouring of inventory down the sewar system.

 
 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-28 14:47:12

Question: How do you make a small fortune as a winemaker?

Answer: Start with a large fortune.

The celebrities flocking to wine making is just like all the rest of their herd behavior. “I’ve got to have a home in Malibu.” “I have to have a ranch in Wyoming.” “I need a place in Utah.” “We better adopt some third world kids.” Rich, famous and still sheep through to the core.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-02-28 15:22:28

They want to be stylish. In those four lines of your second paragraph I had images of Jim Carrey (Malibu), Joe Montana (into wines), Ted Turner (maybe in Montana but not Wyoming), Madonna - for adopting third world kids.

As for the latter - I can tell right away that there will be no love and nurturing from Madonna to those kids. She is doing the good deed only for publicity sake. The losers are the kids…well they will be better off than living in squalor. They will have lotsa deniro, but be raised by a Gulfstream socialist of the type in Atlas Shrugged.

Comment by dude
2010-03-01 14:05:20

Yep, those poor kids, who ever heard of anyone successful coming out of upper crust private schools in Britain?

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Comment by In Montana
2010-02-28 15:46:19

OMG, I hadn’t kept up on this. My CEO/upper crust wannabe boss’s family is going into winemaking. The culmination of a dream, no doubt!

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-02-28 19:59:54

I’m making my own wine at home. I’ve got 7 Cab vines in the back yard with great drainage and sunlight exposure. They are immature but at least I made a gallon of “estate bottled” Cab last year.

I’m calling it Chateau Bonnier de la Chapelle in honor of the French patriot who shot the evil Vichy Admiral Darlan. I can even add “Snake River Valley” appellation now that it’s been approved. :)

A half-dozen odd vines can easily supplement your wine purchasing power.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-02-28 20:23:13

Sounds good. How is the wine? What’s your yield per vine?

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Comment by DennisN
2010-03-01 02:02:23

Of the 7 Cab vines, 3 are 2 years old, 1 is 1 year old, and 3 were only planted last spring (tore out 3 Merlot vines who were failing to thrive). It turns out that Cab is slightly more frost tolerant than Merlot. With this immature set I got a little over 30 lbs of clusters, which may predict over 100 lbs of clusters when the vines mature. This was my first batch of wine and it was a learning experience. Due to an early frost I had to harvest at 21 deg. brix. I cheated and added cane sugar to bring the batch up to 24 deg. brix - a real bonded winery couldn’t get away with such stuff.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 11:59:17

“‘If banks do change their mind, aggressively take people’s houses and dump them on the market, then all bets are off: We could get double-dip recession. My forecast is, that won’t happen.’ Best advice for buyers: ‘If you don’t buy now, you’re nuts.’”

Is he pretty much saying, ‘Buy now, or get priced out forever.’ Who is he even talking to, as anyone who is dumb enough and rich enough to have bought during the worst recession since the 1930s certainly must already be in by now?

Comment by OCBear
2010-02-28 13:26:45

Actually PBear I think I would qualify. Sold in Summer of 2004 and would like to own, really tired of bad Landlords or managment companies.

But here in Anaheim Hills there is hardly any inventory. About 150 properties are available in the 2 Zip Codes Im interested in. According to Foreclosure Radar there are over 500 in some sort of distress. We have offered on about 5 properties 2 went for the price we offered, 1 all cash, 1 friend of the selling Realtor. Others went under contract for a lot more than we offered (50Kish), course 2 fell out and are back on the market.

Prices are up from last year, wife and I follow market pretty hard.

Before every one tells me to move somewhere else, I have the lame excuse of the kids are in the schools yada yada. Daughter is Straight A’s all Honors & traveling sports really hate to uproot her. But the son is a different story, Autistic and we have already been through 2 law suits with the school district and dont want to face that hassle and cost again, he is and therefore we are, in a manageable place right now.

I am also one of the fortnate ones with a decent job, it is Family business and its kinda my turn to lead things, been so for about 5 years now. Family owns building and have kids in all sorts of schools locally etc.. Starting over somewhere else without a job seems daunting and illogical at my income level.

I have bumped my purchase price all the way up to $480K which I would put 20% down on and have decent reserves about the same left over. The Note would be about 3.2X my anual income, I’d deal with it.

That being said theres nothing, several homes I’m interested in Families are living for free, Auction dates come and go without happening. One home we love, big back yard son could be happy and safe in, they have made 1 payment in 35 months.

So there are fools as myself waiting. I know when I buy it will drop 14% in the first year and add in Realtor fees to sell and the equity will be gone instantly. But I could ride it out cause I can afford the payment. $550K house, daughter ends up with massive student loans and I refuse to do that.

It is what it is.

Comment by OCBear
2010-02-28 13:36:48

“That being said theres nothing, several homes I’m interested in Families are living for free, Auction dates come and go without happening. One home we love, big back yard son could be happy and safe in, they have made 1 payment in 35 months.”

To expand on this house, it will show up for sale for between a couple hours and a couple days every 30-90 days. We even offered once, but what is really going on is the seller says hey look at these offers can we have more time and the bank says yea sure and extends it X-amount. I know for a fact this has happened about 5 times on this house in the last year. From what I understand there are Real Estate Agents helping people stay in there homes this way and they give the agents a couple Hundred $ each time. A lot cheaper than Renting.

It is what it is.

Comment by B. Durbin
2010-02-28 15:18:18

Hard luck, OCBear. I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you.

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Comment by JohnF
2010-02-28 19:43:42

Ditto for Thousand Oaks……

With over 40,000 homes in this area, less than a dozen SFR’s listed for under $500,000 with more than 1,500 square feet. And most of them are beaters requiring significant work……

 
Comment by REhobbyist
2010-02-28 20:41:31

OCBear. Ironically, you now qualify as a first-time house-buyer! Are there income limits to that tax credit?

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-03-01 20:41:29

One home we love, big back yard son could be happy and safe in, they have made 1 payment in 35 months.

I guess that answers one of the questions I’ve had. Is it only the really undesirable areas where lenders are waiting a very long time to foreclose? From your observation, apparently not.

That being the case, why wouldn’t anyone that can’t afford the payments stay as long as possible rent free?

 
 
 
Comment by Bob in WPB
2010-02-28 13:12:10

Buffett Says Housing Woes to Ease Next Year, Barring Explosions Share Business ExchangeTwitterFacebook| Email | Print | A A A
By Andrew Frye

Feb. 28 (Bloomberg) — Billionaire Warren Buffett said the U.S. residential real estate slump will end by about 2011, predicting that’s how long it will take demand for homes to catch up with the supply.

“Within a year or so, residential housing problems should largely be behind us,” Buffett wrote yesterday in his annual letter to the shareholders of his Berkshire Hathaway Inc. “Prices will remain far below ‘bubble’ levels, of course, but for every seller or lender hurt by this there will be a buyer who benefits.”

The worst housing decline since the Great Depression has left one in five U.S. mortgage holders owing more than their houses are worth. Record foreclosures last year flooded a real estate market already glutted with unsold property, causing new construction to fall to the lowest in at least 50 years. The fall in homebuilding is the only fix unless the U.S. decides to “blow up a lot of houses,” Buffett joked.

“People thought it was good news a few years back when housing starts — the supply side of the picture — were running about two million annually,” said Buffett, the chairman and chief executive officer of Omaha, Nebraska-based Berkshire. “But household formations — the demand side — only amounted to about 1.2 million.”

“High-value houses and those in certain localities where overbuilding was particularly egregious” will take longer to recover, he wrote.

Buffett joked that curbing home construction was the best of three ways to reduce supply. The other two, he said, would be to explode homes in a “tactic similar to the destruction of autos that occurred with the ‘cash-for-clunkers’ program” or “speed up householder formations by, say, encouraging teenagers to cohabitate, a program not likely to suffer from a lack of volunteers.”

>>>>Really?! I’d say more like the eoy 2012 at the earliest. Then we have commercial RE to worry about. Leave it to a wall st baron to paint the rosiest of pictures>>>>

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-02-28 14:14:43

Yeah I don’t know what Warren Buffet is smoking.

I do know that shortly after I bought B of A stock at $43 per share, Berkshire Hathaway bought millions of shares at $47 or so. I sold B of A when I saw it hemorrhaging and got out at $20.

So much for his advice. He is not always right.

I agree. I think EOY 2012 at the earliest will be the time of undershooting the bubble burst. That means sometime the next 34 months there will be capitulation across this former republic (turned Social Democracy).

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-02-28 14:54:45

Buffett is the consummate insider masquerading as the kind old granddad. Screw him and the horse he rode in on.

Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-02-28 15:17:54

Very good observation. He has friends in high places, particularly beginning on Inauguration Day, 2009.

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Comment by B. Durbin
2010-02-28 15:22:47

$2200 a month in Sacramento County. $3000 a month in El Dorado. To give you some idea of how crazy that is, median income for Sacramento County is about $50K, bumped up significantly by Elk Grove’s median of about $75K. El Dorado is lower (though that’s probably a bedroom community.)

Our PITI runs about $1200, with mortgage a little over half the sum.* I cannot imagine a mortgage (alone) payment that is double our PITI. Crazy stuff.

*I may have this wrong; we were always using PITI numbers when we were house shopping, so the mortgage alone never stuck in my head.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 15:47:46

An unfortunate aspect of California living is the regularly recurring saga of young girls who mysteriously disappear. This latest tragedy is playing out almost in our back yard, and involves the beloved daughter of a family in our local community. Here’s to California living at its worst:

National News by Jane Copley
Chelsea King Abducted?
17 Year Old Californian Feared Abducted After Routine Run

February 28th, 2010

Chelsea King Abducted? 17 Year Old Californian Feared Abducted After Routine Run. Chelsea King is a 17 year old missing girl from Poway San Diego County, California. She went for a routine run at a local park, and when King’s parents didn’t hear from her, they feared the worst. Police were able to track her cell phone to her locked, parked car. There’s since been no sight of Chelsea King.

A massive search effort has ensued, and it’s always tragic when young individuals go missing. The cross-country runner went for the same run every day. Authorities are “moving heaven and earth” using helicopters, federal authorities, massive search teams, and any means necessary to locate her.

Chelsea King’s parents have been briefed on what authorities know, although information is slow to leak. The authorities want to keep the details of the investigation close to home to help verify any tips that come in.

Authorities are looking for not only physical evidence, but computer evidence as well that could help them locate the missing teen. She’s a straight-A student and it’s not like her to go missing like she has. She’s in a symphony orchestra and is going to graduate later this year. She’s also reported to be anxiously awaiting acceptance letters from various colleges and universities.

It’s also been reported that there are so many people that care about finding missing runner Chelsea King that at least 700 people have been turned away from joining the search teams. Everyone is hoping that she will be found and returned home safe and sound.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 21:16:26

When I was a college student and one of my college professors suggested castration as a cure for recidivistic sex offenders, I thought that sounded like cruel and unusual punishment.

Now that I am approaching old age, I have changed my mind; I would like to see castration as a legal option for repeat sex offenders. It could actually work in a repeat sex criminal’s favor, by protecting him against the risk of future homicide charges. And it is hard to overstate the potential benefit to the community at large.

P.S. Chelsea is the daughter of a nurse at a local medical practitioner’s office which I recently visited, and the close friend of a girl whose family we know personally; this story hits painfully close to home.

NBC San Diego NBC San Diego
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Updated Feb 28, 2010

Suspect Arrested in Case of Missing Teen Chelsea King

By ARTIE OJEDA and MICHELLE WAYLAND
Updated 7:56 PM PST, Sun, Feb 28, 2010

A registered sex offender has been arrested in the case of missing teen Chelsea King, according to investigators.

John Albert Gardner, 30, from Lake Elsinore was arrested outside a restaurant in Escondido around 4.30 p.m., sheriff’s officials said. Gardner is a registered sex offender on the Megan’s law website.

“During the course of this extensive investigation evidence was discovered that linked Gardner to Ms. King in such a manner as to warrant his arrest,” San Diego Sheriff spokesperson Jan Caldwell said. “At this time it would be in the best interest for the successful prosecution of Gardner that the evidence not be revealed in a public forum.”

Gardner was taken into custody outside of a business in the 19000 block of Lake Drive in Escondido, officials said. He was taken to the Sheriff’s Administrative Center in San Diego, where he was being questioned by Homicide investigators.

Comment by dude
2010-03-01 14:12:22

A sex offender convicted with DNA evidence in a capital case should be marched to the courthouse dumpster, unceremoniously shot in the back of the head, and thrown away like the refuse he/she is.

Comment by seen it all
2010-03-04 15:18:06

Unfortunately, DNA evidence can be used to “pin” a crime on someone. The FBI lab in Kansas ity got caught doing it.

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Comment by DebtinNation
2010-03-01 17:48:15

A lethal injection of lead also does wonders for protecting the community.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 21:22:30

My kids have played and I have coached soccer in this park. You never know where you have to watch your back…

Arrest made in case of missing California girl
ELLIOT SPAGAT, Associated Press Writer
Published: 02:11 p.m., Sunday, February 28, 2010

SAN DIEGO (AP) — Authorities say a registered sex offender has been arrested in the disappearance of a missing suburban San Diego teenager.

San Diego County Sheriff William Gore tells The Associated Press that 30-year-old John Albert Gardner of Riverside County was arrested Sunday afternoon. He says investigators suspect Gardner is tied to the disappearance of 17-year-old Chelsea King of Poway, who went for a run on Thursday and didn’t return.

Gore says investigators linked Gardner to the crime through physical evidence recovered by investigators searching Rancho Bernardo Community Park, where King vanished. He wouldn’t elaborate on the evidence.

Gore says investigators believe Gardner may also be tied to a Dec. 27 assault on a woman in the park.

It was not immediately clear whether Gardner has hired an attorney.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 21:35:31

Man arrested in teen’s disappearance
February 28, 2010 11:08 p.m. EST
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

* Specific charges not yet filed against suspect, a registered sex offender
* Chelsea King, 17, has been missing since Thursday
* Authorities holding out hope King will be found alive

(CNN) — Police arrested a man Sunday in Escondido, California, in connection with the disappearance of a 17-year-old girl, according to the San Diego County sheriff.

Specific charges have not yet been filed against John Albert Gardner III, a 30-year-old registered sex offender, but Sheriff William Gore said at a news conference that physical evidence links Gardner to Chelsea King. He declined to elaborate.

King has been missing since Thursday when she failed to return home from an after-school run, according to CNN affiliate KGTV.

Gore said the investigation is ongoing.

“Our primary goal has been to find Chelsea King,” he said. “We are continuing those efforts.”

He added that authorities are holding out hope King will be found alive.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-03-01 20:47:50

Is this going to be like the 70’s with more serial killers? We haven’t had comparable economic stress since the 70’s. While we haven’t had much in the way of serial killers in recent years, I don’t imagine those type of people have gone away, or are necessarily the types that are locked up long term under three strikes laws. However, with DNA and other types of evidence now readily available, I think it would be harder now for serial offenders to go as long without being apprehended.

 
 
Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-02-28 15:53:11

“So I’m hoping I can get some satisfaction here today”

Over 50 comments and no one has cued up Mick Jagger yet? Y’all are slippin’ here.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 15:57:00

“Holly Stevenson and her husband, Matt Wilson had their eyes on an Escondido property near Lake Hodges as the future site for their dream home. The lot started with a minimum bid of $4,000, the sum of costs of sale and the taxes owed on the property (lots with buildings on them start at half the appraised value). A competitive auction followed, with Stevenson duking it out with bidders on either side of the room, but eventually winning the property for $11,500.”

Carefully screen your neighbors if you move into this area. Lake Hodges is the site where Chelsea King vanished without a trace last week (posted article soon to appear).

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-01 00:55:24

Seems the suspect was living in his parent’s home, which is just up the street from the park where the girl disappeared. I don’t know what I would do if one of my kids turned out to be a sex criminal; hopefully that is something I will never have to deal with personally…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-02-28 16:07:07

“It’s been 16 months since Eugene and Patricia Harrison last paid the mortgage on their Perris home. Eleven months since the notice got slapped on their front door, warning that it would be sold at auction. ‘ Still, they remain in the yellow ranch-style home they bought seven years ago for $128,000, with its views of the San Jacinto Mountains. They’re not planning on going anywhere.”

“We’re kind of on pins and needles, but who’d want to leave when you put this kind of energy into a house?’ said Eugene Harrison.”

I don’t suppose the answer depends on how much equity they took out of the house, does it?

Comment by reuven
2010-02-28 21:14:12

Let’s see: 16 months of free rent worth, say, $1250/month . That’s $20,000 of tax-free income! And they’re complaining?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-01 01:00:37

We haven’t yet run out of “worse-than-expected” economic data releases:

March 1, 2010, 12:24 a.m. EST

China’s manufacturing growth slows in February
Results surprise to downside as stimulus is rolled back

By Chris Oliver, MarketWatch

HONG KONG (MarketWatch) — China’s manufacturing activity slowed in February after a year of improving conditions, suggesting government efforts to rein in stimulus and credit growth are beginning to find traction, according to data compiled by two competing industrial surveys.

The surveys — one from a government-backed body and another from HSBC bank and the U.K.-based research firm Markit — showed unexpectedly weaker conditions during the month, ending a steady streak of month-on-month improvement in the sentiment-tracking indexes.

“While still in expansion, overcapacity in manufacturing, wage pressure and more restrained government spending may have affected sentiment among purchasing managers,” J.P. Morgan’s Jing Ulrich in Hong Kong wrote in a note Monday.

 
Comment by RICHARD RALPH ROEHL
2010-03-01 18:21:21

Common $ense suggests that any bank holding a large portfolio of non performing mortgages would work with every single home owner to keep them in their homes by refinancing the loan packages to reflect the reality of the market place. Better to get some of the pie than lose it all to crows awaiting in the boughs.

Keeping a homeowner in his/her home would bring, in the long term, a measure of $tability to the bank’s portfolio. The bank would not be $tuck with abandoned homes (and other properties) being trashed and burned by transients… or slowly deteriorating from the whims of nature. They would not $uffer the wrath of code enforcement bureaucrats… and fines and law$uits.

Alas! I don’t see this happening. It seems that 21st Century bankers are mostly banksters. They lack common $ense; they are infected with rapacious and discompassionate grrreeeeeeeeeeeeed! Behold! See the insanity of Goldman $acks! The $uper capitalist/fascist beasts in that devil house (Goldman $acks) are paragon examples of banksters addicted to gambling. No wonder Rome is burning!

Three things here:

1. WHERE THERE IS NO INSIGHT, THE PEOPLE PERISH!
2. WHOM THE GODS WOULD DESTROY, THEY FIRST MAKE MAD(off).
3. EVERY GUERRILLA KNOWS IT’S EASIER TO BURN DOWN A BANKSTER MANSION THAN IT IS TO BUILD ONE!

Beware rich man! Beware! The wealth gap between the haves and have $nots in Amerika has become interminably wide. This is a recipe for McVeigh Franchises and Joe Stack birthing open civil disobedience devolving into violent revolution. There will be no safe roads for you to roll a limo or drive a Ferrari. And see No. 3 above!

 
Comment by Tom
2010-03-01 20:49:29

Its over

 
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