March 15, 2010

It Probably Sounded Like A Can’t-Miss Pitch

The Gazette reports from Colorado. “The Pikes Peak region’s residential market has had thousands of foreclosure filings over each of the past three years. Commercial property owners are being plagued by the same woes homeowners have faced: a horrible economy, tumbling property values and difficulty borrowing money. Three years ago, the number of commercial properties with loan balances of $1 million or more, and which fell into foreclosure, totaled 15, according to a Gazette analysis of El Paso County Public Trustee records. A year later, the total was 24. In 2009, the number of commercial properties with loan balances of $1 million and up and that were foreclosed on had ballooned to 73.”

“‘I think there’s going to (be) a flood of distressed properties coming back on the market,’ said Jim Justus, president of a Springs brokerage.”

“A patient heading into a doctor or dentist’s office might notice chipped paint or a bathroom that’s not as clean, said Randy Dowis, a broker with NAI Highland Commercial Group in Colorado Springs. ‘It depends on how observant you are,’ Dowis said.”

“The downturn is good for investors because discounted properties will be available for sale — assuming a buyer has cash or can obtain a loan, he said. But property owners who aren’t in trouble should think twice about trying to sell. Falling values mean that owners who can wait out the downturn should hold onto their properties. ‘If you don’t need to sell it, forget about it,’ Justus said. ‘We’re in this for what could easily be another two years.’”

The Summit Daily in Colorado. “Some 5.4 percent of local residents were unemployed in January — well below the statewide rate of 8.2 percent, according to the Colorado Workforce Center. The Summit County unemployment rate may have been lower because more jobs are available during the ski season. Or perhaps people leave the pricey area when they can’t find work. ‘I think the economy is still fairly good, but we have seen a lot of people move out — particularly in the construction trade,’ said Jennifer Kermode, executive director of Summit Combined Housing Authority. ‘We’ve seen a lot of people relocate somewhere else.’”

“Summit County Commissioner Karn Stiegelmeier said that…there are many people who are self-employed or in real estate having an especially tough time making ends meet. ‘I think the true impact to the county, in terms of the needs, is greater than that,’ she said. ‘(Many) Realtors are not really getting an income they can live on.’”

The Salt Lake Tribune in Utah. “The tidy split-level on a large corner lot in West Valley City has a lot going for it. The house is in a nice neighborhood, it’s clean and updated, and has big yards front and back. Three years ago, at the market’s height, similarly priced homes would have sold quickly — some within days or even hours. But like scores of other properties priced in the low-$200,000 range in the Salt Lake area, this five-bedroom, three-bath property listed at $210,000 has languished on the market.”

“On a quiet cul-de-sac in West Jordan, sellers Joe and Kristina Duquette have their 1,900-square-foot home on the market for $224,900. In 2007, the couple saw homes in the area selling in the high $200,000s, with one topping out at $320,000. Today a foreclosure next door is listed for $195,000, while other sellers keep cutting prices. To help compensate, they recently lowered theirs by $10,000. ‘Even a year ago, homes were going for $250,000,’ said Joe Duquette.”

“After a few encounters with bargain-hungry buyers, many sellers ultimately decide to stay put and not move up. Others elect to rent, rather than sell their properties, even if it means getting rental income that doesn’t quite cover their mortgage. ‘Buyers want a three-bedroom, two-bathroom home with a fireplace for only $100,000,’ said Salt Lake Board of Realtors president Bill Heiner, only half-joking. ‘But that’s just not reality.’”

“Heiner stops in front of a house listed for $225,000. At the height of the market this house probably would have sold quickly, in the high $200,000s. Last year, it listed for $239,000, but where the price goes next is anyone’s guess. ‘This is about what a home like this should sell for,’ Heiner said. ‘But in a market like this, that doesn’t mean anything. All that matters is what a buyer is willing to pay.’”

The Associated Press in Arizona. “Hundreds of homeowners trying to avoid losing their homes to foreclosure met with housing counselors and lender representatives at an event in Glendale. Avoiding a foreclosure notice is just what drew Surprise resident Denise Knott to Glendale. Her home, bought in June 2008, has plunged in value and her fiance hasn’t been able to find work in construction. Still, the retail manager isn’t ready to walk away from her home. ‘I’m hoping to get my mortgage modified and get into a payment that I can sustain,’ she said.”

“But Knott is also realistic of her chances of getting a modification that lowers the debt to a level that makes sense. ‘I look at it this way,’ she said. ‘I love my home, I want to keep it. But I really might be better off letting it go and renting.’”

From KYMA in Arizona. “Shelley Ostrowski is a local expert and associate broker at Century 21 action group in Yuma. Ostrowski said, ‘I would say a decline is probably the best word to describe foreclosures in Yuma, but I do think its slowing. I do see from my business, that’s 95 percent foreclosures. I do see a slow down.’”

“She said even though foreclosure notices are down two percent from January, Yuma’s housing market is not out of the woods yet. Ostrowski said, ‘I think we’re still going to see quite a few, I do, but I’m not gonna say that it’s gonna be as heavy as last year.’”

“But there is a flip side. Ostrowski said in this buyer’s market, there lies great opportunity to cash in. That’s exactly what Yuma resident Ryan Seale has done. Seale said, ‘I bought a foreclosed home. Best investment ever, my first home, my wife and I bought it.’”

“Seale purchased a foreclosed home back in July of 2009. He said he’s never regretted the decision. Seale said, ‘A month later it was appraised at $25 thousand more than we bought it for. So right there I just made $25 thousand equity on it.’”

The Reno Gazette Journal in Nevada. “adjustable rate mortgages became popular during the housing boom as a way to get more people approved for loans. And particularly in Nevada, which continues to have the highest percentage of ARMs in the nation. The fact that ARMs continue to account for a large chunk of mortgages in Reno-Sparks makes them veritable wild cards for the local housing market.”

“One type of adjustable-rate mortgage, the ‘Alt-A’ ARM, accounted for 4,420, or about 60 percent, of active mortgages in the Reno-Sparks metro area by the end of December — a rate more than four times the national average. Of those ARMs, 2,267 have yet to reset. Although resetting ARMs hit Reno-Sparks hard just a few years ago, low interest rates should help soften the blow for this year’s resets. But this would be a temporary reprieve at best, said Ken Wiseman, broker-owner of Reno Rancho Realty.”

“‘With interest rates so low, some people will see their mortgage adjust to a lower interest rate,’ Wiseman said. ‘Unfortunately, it’s not going to be locked. And if interest rates start rising within the next year like many experts are saying, then you’re going to see another wave of people defaulting on their mortgages.’”

“Wiseman owns a condo rental with an ARM that he couldn’t refinance because it didn’t have enough equity. He tried a loan modification but was turned down. ‘They told me I didn’t qualify because I didn’t have ‘hardship,’ Wiseman said. ‘I guess they still see me as a target to make money from. I’m doing OK so I won’t just walk away. But rental rates have gone down so much that I’m sure a lot of people are just throwing in the towel.’”

The LA Times. “Few plans embodied the hubris of Nevada’s go-go years like Lake Las Vegas, the wannabe Tuscan village launched two decades ago 17 miles from the Las Vegas Strip. Over the years, Michael Jackson dodged paparazzi at the Ritz-Carlton. Elizabeth Taylor jetted in for her 75th birthday. Celine Dion bought a million-dollar home. At the time, it probably sounded like a can’t-miss pitch.”

“Conceived as a competitor to upscale getaway Palm Desert, Lake Las Vegas, on some days, is now more a lavish ghost town. The 3,600-acre development, like so many in Clark County, suffered one malady after another. When Lara Volkonskaya opened her Hermitage Art to Wear shop in 2008, she spent $25,000 on a single chandelier while retooling the store to resemble an art gallery. Her first customers all took home floaty — and pricey — silk clothing.”

“But within months, business had evaporated. ‘My store is a high-end store,’ Volkonskaya said. ‘Right now, I’m in the wrong place.’”

“Such a predicament was unfathomable to backers of Transcontinental Corp., which launched Lake Las Vegas. It was assumed that Lake Las Vegas would provide second and third homes, or investment properties, for the well-to-do. Transcontinental Corp. defaulted on $540 million in loans and lost the property in foreclosure. Lake Las Vegas was scooped up by a turnaround management firm, Atalon Group, and entered bankruptcy in 2008.”

“‘Put bluntly, the project was ill-equipped to deal with any slowdown in the real estate market,’ Atalon president Frederick Chin said in court documents. The development, he said, lacked money for infrastructure and the golf courses (only one of which remains open).”

“Inside the development’s gated communities, home after custom-made home was abandoned in the foreclosure crisis. Foreclosure sales have spiked, but the average closing price for foreclosed homes in December was $174,000. That same month, new home prices averaged $669,000. In the meantime, the new owners hope to woo more full-time residents and businesses have retooled their pitches for a less-affluent crowd. The Loews hotel, in hopes of luring corporate groups, dropped the word ‘resort’ from its marketing; that signaled extravagance.”

“Two years ago, Sandee Hiegel rented a one-bedroom condo for $1,400 a month, which she considered a bargain. This year, she moved to a similar condo for $900 a month. ‘They’re pretty much giving away units now,’ she said.”

“A hostess at the Black Pepper Grill in the MonteLago Village shopping district, Hiegel enjoys her short stroll to work and walking her two Maltese on the Ritz’s grounds. Would she buy something in Lake Las Vegas? She hesitated. ‘It’s got to come back,’ she said, a mantra oft-repeated in Nevada these days. ‘I mean, how much lower can it go?’”

The Las Vegas Sun in Nevada. “More than 150 people who filed into the Centennial High School gym at the start of a housing workshop Saturday hosted by Rep. Dina Titus, D-Nev. Peter and Jean Girard haven’t gone into foreclosure and they are still current on their credit card payments and two mortgages. But they are suffering and worry about what is next. After moving to Las Vegas in 2003 from Chicago to semi-retire, the couple saw the value of their house double in the boom years. So they bought and moved into a larger house and rented out the first.”

“Then things got tough; the values of both houses plummeted, Peter went back to working 60 hours a week and they had to use their retirement savings to get by. ‘I don’t know how long we can chip away at our retirement — not forever,’ Peter Girard said.”

“They tried to get the bank to change the rate on their second mortgage, but since they are current on their payments, Girard said the bank gave them a worse offer than what they already had. ‘When you get a ridiculous offer like that, you don’t even respond,’ Girard said. ‘Since we’re not behind, they don’t want to talk to us. If you’re in foreclosure you can get help, but if you’re not, you don’t…We don’t have sour grapes about any of it, but we need some adjustments to our mortgage.’”

“Johnny Holmstrom is a union plumber who lost his job when work finished at CityCenter. He has stopped paying his mortgage and got a letter saying the bank intends to foreclose on his house. ‘When you lose 60 percent of your income, it’s tough,’ he said. ‘The kids got to eat. What are you going to do?’”

“Holmstrom paid $250,000 for the house a few years ago, but the house across the street just sold for $75,000, he said, leaving help from the bank or foreclosure as his only ways out of the situation, he said. He said he hopes the bank will help, but he’s almost indifferent at this point. ‘They can have it back if they want it, but I don’t think they want it, so they need to work with me,’ he said while filling out a bank form. ‘Am I in bankruptcy?’ he read out loud, ‘Not yet, but it’s coming.’”

The Las Vegas Business Press in Nevada. “People are walking away from their mortgages by the thousands, making a financial decision that it’s better to take the hit on their credit score than try to recover $300,000 of negative equity on a $600,000 home purchased at the peak of the housing bubble. Bill and Lynn Jerbis haven’t paid their $2,400 monthly mortgage payment since October after failing to get a loan modification. Both have taken cuts in income. Meanwhile, the value of their home has dropped from $429,000 to about $142,000.”

“‘We can’t afford to pay this and live,’ Bill Jerbis said. ‘I would just be using the savings I had built up. We are not leaving, unless they physically come take us out of the home.’”

“While homeowners may not have jobs or assets today, time is on the lender’s side. ‘I hear (lender) attorneys say they’ll put a clock of one or two years on the debt, so the person can get a new job and back on their feet. Then they’ll start wage garnishment,’ bankruptcy attorney Philip Goldstein said. ‘It’s a very cruel economy right now.’”

“‘Here’s the predicament we find ourselves in,’ said housing analyst Larry Murphy of Las Vegas. ‘While some of our neighbors are negotiating a short sale or a loan modification or simply walking away from their home, others who elect to stay in their homes and continue making payments feel a sense of desperation and betrayal. Why? Because your neighbor who paid $240,000 on his home and put 5 percent down now owes $225,000 on a home worth $95,000. His equity in the home is negative $130,000. Even if his home appreciates at 3 percent a year for the next 25 years, it will only be worth $198,000.’”

“‘So your neighbor vacates his home, which goes into foreclosure, sits empty, deteriorates, taxes don’t get paid, homeowners association fees don’t get paid, the value declines, which in turn causes all the homes in the neighborhood to decline. Now your neighbor no longer has negative $130,000 equity. Instead, he has zero equity. Now which equity would you rather have in a home? Zero or negative $130,000?’”

“Tisha Black-Chernine of Black Lobello law firm in Las Vegas, said people tried to get a loan modification and when that didn’t work, they opted for the short sale. Now they just don’t want to pay their mortgage. ‘They’re going to look at strategic default with a keener eye,’ Black-Chernine said. ‘We’re at 60 percent negative equity position in some houses. They’re starting to realize it’s throwing money in the hole.’”

“Lynn Jerbis knows one thing is certain — no remedy exists that will make her home whole. ‘At 59 years old, we don’t have the time for this home to come back in value,’ she said. ‘We will die before we see equity.’”




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Comment by scdave
2010-03-15 08:01:47

Sorry about the OT….

6:00 PM tonight on Bloomberg..Interview with writer Michael Lewis on his new book “The Big Short”…I just heard a small excerpt…He points the finger at the top dogs at GS & AIG for the whole mess due to CDO’s…

Comment by potential buyer
2010-03-15 09:25:52

Yes, good interview on 60 Minutes last night.

Comment by Reuven
2010-03-15 10:52:12

It was a good interview. But it always annoys me when they blame this 100% on the banks, and don’t even mention the millions of fradulent, dishonest, or deadbeat mortgage holders.

Also, they seemed to indicated that only a few dozen people saw it coming, as measured by the # of people betting against the high-risk mortgages. Actually, the 50% of Americans who didn’t buy any real estate during the bubble years, and the Americans who stayed away from bubbly stocks, etc, also can be said to have seen it coming….

Comment by holytrainwreck
2010-03-15 14:15:23

You’re correct. There were many other Casey (”I lied to the banks!”) Serins who DIDN’T blog to the world about fraudulently overstating their incomes and intentions on principal residency, etc. and are going to get off scot-free post-bubble.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-15 15:55:49

Exactly my sentiments, Rueven. Let’s blame everybody but the fools and “investors” who signed the mortgages.

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Comment by Jerry
2010-03-15 11:24:29

If Geithner does not go to jail after this then this is the biggest cover up of all! Geithner, head of The New York Bank knew all of this “moving of toxie assets”. The exact same thing that the top exect’s of Enron were jailed for and there is no differance. But the system is different and not the same for government players so there will be no jail time but a few testimonial times of false lies in front of the sentors, a few scornful comments to proof we mean business to show the taxpayers were up to this and next time will be different we assure you taxpayers as there will be no bail outs like this again! Count on it. You have our words.

Comment by Bad Chile
2010-03-15 12:28:10

He won’t. Count on it.

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Comment by snake charmer
2010-03-15 12:57:39

I’ve been reading up on the Lehman debacle. You would think that, after Enron, we’d come to the conclusion that placing liabilities off the balance sheet is fundamentally deceptive and wrong as a matter of private or public-sector accounting, but no, we didn’t come to that conclusion. What’s the matter with us?

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-15 15:57:29

To paraphrase Leona Helmsley, jail is for the little people. Geithner and his ilk are above the law.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-15 22:18:33

They all did it ,so that’s why its not being busted . It’s really the biggest Obstruction Of Justice Case in History regarding what the Money Changers did . And don’t give me that BS about it might be evil but its legal , I don’t buy it . And than we get to see them flaunt their bonuses post bail out and back to their casino games and influencing Politicians to make laws with no teeth . Just like we get to watch the liar loan borrowers give their sob stories about how they didn’t know they spent to much money on a 750k house when they only make 30k a year .

I just wish that the American people would of said no to the
RE ponzi schemes, but the lenders were offering them easy money with no skin in the game to engage in this game .
My Nephew told me he just couldn’t help himself when they offered him easy money credit cards . Lending isn’t suppose to be just giving people money and they figure out later how they are going to pay for it, or they pay for it based on real estate speculation paying off by going up .

The nerve of Wall Street lenders/Government to just change lending principals ,but they couldn’t help themselves because there was so much money to be made off of it ,at the time .

But in the meantime these people quoted in the press just sound silly to me most the time .

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-16 13:19:18

he could pulla ken lay and die “unexpectedly”…….

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Comment by Kim
2010-03-15 08:08:32

“After a few encounters with bargain-hungry buyers, many sellers ultimately decide to stay put and not move up. Others elect to rent, rather than sell their properties, even if it means getting rental income that doesn’t quite cover their mortgage. ‘Buyers want a three-bedroom, two-bathroom home with a fireplace for only $100,000,’ said Salt Lake Board of Realtors president Bill Heiner, only half-joking. ‘But that’s just not reality.’”

Actually those buyers are probably loooking for a 3 bedroom, two-and-a-half bath home with a fireplace, and a home office plus an attached two car garage for $100,000. If they can’t have it, they’ll continue to rent at a rate “that doesn’t quite cover (the sellers) mortgage”. Time and money are on the buyer’s side. Booya.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-03-15 08:41:01

That Heiner fellow redeems himself a little with this later quote:

‘But in a market like this, that doesn’t mean anything. All that matters is what a buyer is willing to pay.’

He seems awfully confused though. Wow, this series of stories depicts the most collasal of train wrecks, and not a one is reconcilable with the concept of an imminent and robust house price rebound!

Comment by mikey
2010-03-15 09:05:17

“… she spent $25,000 on a single chandelier while retooling the store to resemble an art gallery. Her first customers all took home floaty — and pricey — silk clothing.”

“But within months, business had evaporated. ‘My store is a high-end store,’ Volkonskaya said. ‘Right now, I’m in the wrong place.”

Oh, you’re in the right place Volkonskaya, you all are.

Think barren desert, Vegas and then say “My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings, ” 3 times.

:)

Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-03-15 09:53:03

Nothing else remains.

And around the decay of the colossal wreck, boundless and bare, the lone and level sands stretch far away…

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-15 15:59:15

And somewhere, off in the distance, comes the desolate howl of a coyote.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-15 22:21:42

That was me howling Sammy .

 
 
Comment by Sagesse
2010-03-15 21:06:53

This is the map of Lake Las Vegas “how do we call it” - village?
Please note that the fake Pontevechio is part of the now bancrupt Ritz Carlton. Note the fake Italian names of the “streets”. Even the coffee place was completely dead two years ago, even in the morning. However: this is one place in Vegas that seems REMOTE from the gambling craze. And I know a nice woman who had the bad fortune to have to work in one of the shops there, transferred from a casino location. She had her hours cut in half already in 2008.

http://www.montelagovillage.com/shopping-dining/Montelago+Village+Map.htm

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Comment by eudemon
2010-03-15 19:24:46

Actually I want my 3/2 for $80,000. And I want it in great condition.

$100,000 seems a bit steep to me, especially considering looming increases in property, income and state taxes.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-03-15 08:24:47

If the Air Force Academy wasn’t in Colorado Springs I think the place would shrivel up and blow away. The private tech sector there is in complete disarray as offshoring has decimated its employment base.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-15 16:11:12

Colorado Springs has five military bases, tons of defense contractors, and is the epicenter of organized evangelical Christianity. Besides that,it’s got a small and shrinking tech base (mainly relocated from southern California) and the rest is all retail places. It’s the home of Ted Haggart, so God shines on us in a special way.

Oh, wait. That was during the Bush years. Not so much these days.

Our enlightened city government took away the trash cans in our once-beautiful parks, after our mutant population voted “no” on much-needed tax increases. Now people bag up their dog poop and throw it down the sewer. Where it causes major problems with our water purification plants. That costs our special-needs municipal government and taxpayers far more than it did to service the trash cans in the park.

Jesus loves us. Everyone else thinks we’re retards.

Comment by Lionel
2010-03-15 17:16:16

“Jesus loves us. Everyone else thinks we’re retards.”

That would make a truly outstanding bumpersticker.

 
Comment by taxmeupthebooty
2010-03-15 18:34:19

you can send in more

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-15 19:06:27

..Now people bag up their dog poop and throw it down the sewer…

No government-funded garbage can at the ready… so they just dump it wherever they please??

Hard times reveal who and what people really are.

Comment by eudemon
2010-03-15 19:32:58

All that Sammy says isn’t quite accurate.

I live in Colorado Springs, too.

What is conveniently being left out is that fact that scores of INDIVIDUALS have not only purchased trash cans for city parks, but also have volunteered to remove the trash themselves from the containers they themselves purchased.

Only to see the cans THEY purchased being taken away by city workers.

So, in Colorado Springs, if the city isn’t allowed to provide the means to remove the trash, then no one else can, either.

Kinda like a guy who murders his ex-girlfriend because he wants no one else to have her.

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Comment by marshall
2010-03-15 20:47:37

Wow, just wow.
Is this the same place where the city cut costs and refused to mow the grass in public parks and when some old dude decided to do it himself when the grass got over knee height was arrested? Crazy times.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-15 21:31:06

From what you say, one might easily misconstrue that the people of C.S. serve their government, instead of the other way around.

Someone should tell.. Lionel Rivera?.. to put the cans back, and remind him of his place.
Parks belong to the people, not to the government. Nobody likes to see a mess of garbage on their property.

How would Rivera and the city counsel members feel if they woke up one day and found a bunch of trash on their own, private property?

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-15 19:48:25

You’re right, Joey. How much longer can we be free people, when so many citizens show themselves unwilling or incapable of governing their own behavior?

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Comment by Sagesse
2010-03-15 21:11:09

It looks like Eudemons comment has neutralized yours.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-15 22:12:32

True..
Dependent on our own behavior, we either enjoy freedom or suffer slavery.

There is a large lesson in freedom hidden behind this small issue…
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Who needs public trash cans? Actually, nobody.

If we never used public trash cans we wouldn’t need to pay for them in the first place, nor could the government, in an effort to bend us to their will, take something from us that doesn’t exist.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by In Montana
2010-03-15 08:38:34

“Conceived as a competitor to upscale getaway Palm Desert, Lake Las Vegas, on some days, is now more a lavish ghost town.

That doesn’t seem right from what follows.

 
Comment by Elanor
2010-03-15 08:46:31

On days like today, I am happy to have full-time employment and a paid-for house. Anything else is gravy.

Comment by FitzClarence
2010-03-15 11:10:01

Right on, Elanor! If I can open my eyes in the morning and walk upright out of the bedroom, the rest of the day is just icing on the cake.

Comment by mikey
2010-03-15 12:52:36

Well, I paid my state and federal taxes last month, I don’t owe anyone as one stupid dime for anything other than next month’s basics, I mailed in my stupid 2010 Census today, I have money in the bank and I rent.

I DEMAND to be recognized as a (somewhat) legal citizen too !

:)

 
 
 
Comment by SMF
2010-03-15 09:16:53

- But property owners who aren’t in trouble should think twice about trying to sell. Falling values mean that owners who can wait out the downturn should hold onto their properties. ‘If you don’t need to sell it, forget about it,’ Justus said. ‘We’re in this for what could easily be another two years.’”

No, not two years. A little longer than that.

I wonder how many will thank their realtors when they take the advice of not to sell, only to realize how many thousands they lost from this advice.

Reminds me of the fella who said he wouldn’t sell his house for under $1 million…only to sell it for $875,000…and it was foreclosed on the ‘lucky’ buyer.

 
Comment by SMF
2010-03-15 09:20:14

“Seale purchased a foreclosed home back in July of 2009. He said he’s never regretted the decision. Seale said, ‘A month later it was appraised at $25 thousand more than we bought it for. So right there I just made $25 thousand equity on it.’”

Proof that a lot of these ‘investors’ are still nothing more than longer term speculators.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-15 09:25:01

Shades of a couple of former neighbors. I can recall the man of the house bragging about how much money they’d already made. That was in 2005, and they’d just purchased in 2004.

Well, in 2006, they decided that the neighborhood wasn’t to their liking. So, they decided to sell. And they bought another house.

Yes, they ultimately sold for more than they’d paid, but that was after eight months of carrying two mortgages. I suspect that they’re still in financial recovery from that period.

Comment by SMF
2010-03-15 09:34:55

Don’t forget about paying utilities in two places as well. Got caught in that nightmare way back in 2003, after our prior home went into contract five times before it finally sold.

Much more expensive than imagined, carrying those two homes at a time.

 
 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-03-15 09:27:44

Why would he even need an appraisal a month after buying it?

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-15 09:33:33

Probably for property taxes. We’ll see how happy he is about that appraisal when it comes time to pay it.

Comment by mikey
2010-03-15 09:43:19

..and if the appraisal doesn’t kill him, maybe the Mil Rate will.

;)

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Comment by Natalie
2010-03-15 10:31:13

If the house is not sold or you haven’t pulled the money out, I don’t care what the appraisal says even if there is a slight chance the appraisal was remotely accurate in the first place.

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Comment by potential buyer
2010-03-15 15:17:05

But don’t you get the property appraised before you buy? I can’t see it changing that much in one month.

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Comment by SMF
2010-03-15 14:20:58

Liberating the equity to fund more RE purchases for his RE empire.

 
 
Comment by mikey
2010-03-15 09:37:01

“Men will believe anything, the more preposterous the better. Whales speak French at the bottom of the sea. The horses of Arabia have silver wings. Pygmies mate with elephants in darkest Africa. I have sold all those propositions. Well, maybe we’re all fools and none of it matters.”

The old tarred n’ feather, missing parts and pieces, snake oil salesman, Mr. Merriweather — talking to Dustin Hoffman as Jack Crabb in “Little Big Man (1970).

:)

Comment by 2banana
2010-03-15 11:43:12

It must be true - I read it on the internet…

 
 
Comment by Dman
2010-03-15 10:59:56

There is something suspicious about this scenario - I wonder who did the appraisal? Maybe some gung-ho township appraiser looking to generate some tax revenue? If this guy is smart he will try to re-sell his house right now - he will either hit the jackpot, or be hit in the face by the reality of the market. I’m banking on number two.

 
Comment by Bad Chile
2010-03-15 12:30:46

I bet they’ve extrapolated the $25k from one month of ownership to the next seven months, now thinking their well-timed [sic] purchase has appreciated $175k.

 
Comment by cactus
2010-03-15 12:41:07

‘A month later it was appraised at $25 thousand more than we bought it for. So right there I just made $25 thousand equity on it.’”

like buying Diamonds

 
 
Comment by SMF
2010-03-15 09:25:15

‘It’s got to come back,’ she said, a mantra oft-repeated in Nevada these days. ‘I mean, how much lower can it go?’”

Ask Detroit…:)

Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-03-15 09:41:00

How much lower can it go? Do you mean the real estate prices or the water supply for a city build in the middle of the desert?
I really question the wisdom of building large cities below water level, on a major fault line or in the middle of the desert.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-15 09:40:34

‘I think the economy is still fairly good, but we have seen a lot of people move out — particularly in the construction trade,’ said Jennifer Kermode, executive director of Summit Combined Housing Authority. ‘We’ve seen a lot of people relocate somewhere else.’

There is an explanation for relatively low unemployment rates that I have not seen before: Unemployed construction workers leaving the area to find work. I wonder to what extent that is a factor in holding San Diego’s unemployment rate down to 11 percent?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-15 10:14:12

Didn’t a lot of the SD construction work force go back south of the border?

 
Comment by SMF
2010-03-15 10:36:18

I have been in construction for 20 years. Prior to the bubble, it was hard to find any Hispanics in a construction site. At the height, you’d need to speak Spanish to deal with most of your workers.

How many of these haven’t been counted in unemployment numbers, whether they were here legally or not?

Comment by In Colorado
2010-03-15 11:14:33

I depends on where. I recall seeing construction site in San Diego teeming with illegals 20 years ago.

Comment by The_Overdog
2010-03-15 13:42:32

Construction in TX has been moving to majority illegals for 25 years or more.

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Comment by In Montana
2010-03-15 15:00:08

And hardly at all here, except in the Flathead Lake area and some exclusive resort-RE projects.

I’d seen the crews in SoCal on my visits and thought it kinda nice that a young Montana native could go out and get a job without college. Sadly, I think a lot of those dudes are upside down on their big F250s now.

 
 
 
Comment by Elanor
2010-03-15 11:39:46

As a homeowner, I have found it very annoying to have people working in my house who don’t speak English. That’s one reason I ditched the cleaning service and now do it myself.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-15 12:26:35

I just had the last of my nine windows replaced. The last four were done by a local company that is an approved subcontractor for Pella Windows and Doors.

Quite a difference between this company and John, the older fellow, and Quien Sabe, his illegal alien worker. For one thing, the company’s employees worked a lot faster than John and Quien Sabe. (I never did catch the illegal guy’s name.)

That was because they stayed on the job site and worked. John was forever leaving QS to work by himself, which, to QS meant that it was time to bust open the cell phone and call his buddies. Or talk with my neighbors.

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Comment by Sagesse
2010-03-15 21:31:29

Well, has anyone tried to talk to housekeeping staff in CA motels. And I mean Courtyard Marriott / Holiday Inn / Comfort Inn type accommodation. They don’t even bother. There are exceptions.
In hotels, they usually speak some English, but not much. Housekeeping in 4* NYC is often Russian / Eastern European now.

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Comment by Natalie
2010-03-15 10:15:59

“Buyers want a three-bedroom, two-bathroom home with a fireplace for only $100,000,’ said Salt Lake Board of Realtors president Bill Heiner, only half-joking. ‘But that’s just not reality.”

Sorry Bill, but current buyer demands are the ONLY pricing reality. It is illegal to force someone to sign a sales contract against their will, and your lies regarding the safety of buying real estate don’t work as well as they used to.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-15 10:51:33

“Avoiding a foreclosure notice is just what drew Surprise resident Denise Knott to Glendale. Her home, bought in June 2008, has plunged in value and her fiance hasn’t been able to find work in construction.”

Surprise!

 
Comment by Reuven
2010-03-15 10:54:18

““Holmstrom paid $250,000 for the house a few years ago, but the house across the street just sold for $75,000, he said, leaving help from the bank or foreclosure as his only ways out of the situation, he said.”

There’s a third way! PAY THE MORTGAGE!

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-15 11:39:14

Well, he’s not working so he can’t pay it. He’s wondering how to feed the kids. I get the feeling this guy would pay and stay if he could.
A union plumber should be able to carry that house.
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In the meantime, going to the workshop bought him time, if nothing else.
“It keeps the wolves off your door,” he said. “As soon as you say you got the packet and are going to a seminar, they quit bugging you about your payment.”

The banks take these seminars seriously enough to back off a little? That, I did not know..

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-03-15 11:48:59

“Holmstrom paid $250,000 for the house a few years ago, but the house across the street just sold for $75,000, he said, leaving help from the bank or foreclosure as his only ways out of the situation,

I bought a home many years ago for slightly less than that. Two good incomes (engineer and underwriter), no kids at the time and 1 used car. Many months we were eating mac and cheese nightly to make the mortgage payment. Of course, back in the bad old days, it was 20% down, no more than 28% of income to the mortgage and you had to show proof of income going back 12 months or more.

Things are much better now.

He must be a very good plumber woking 100 hours a week or just drank the kool-aid.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-03-15 11:52:04

“A patient heading into a doctor or dentist’s office might notice chipped paint or a bathroom that’s not as clean, said Randy Dowis, a broker with NAI Highland Commercial Group in Colorado Springs. ‘It depends on how observant you are,’ Dowis said.”

Yeah - cause these things take about $1.50 worth of supplies to fix.

Comment by Xiaoding
2010-03-15 15:14:16

I’m seeing a lot of it right now.

It takes more than 1.50…it takes a persons time, and they can’t afford that. And the first time you buy those supplies, you are talking 200 bucks easy, not 1.50. Not just anyone can do that work, and everyone is maxed out doing what they already do. Get used to it!

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-03-15 12:00:17

“While homeowners may not have jobs or assets today, time is on the lender’s side. ‘I hear (lender) attorneys say they’ll put a clock of one or two years on the debt, so the person can get a new job and back on their feet. Then they’ll start wage garnishment,’ bankruptcy attorney Philip Goldstein said. ‘It’s a very cruel economy right now.’”

For all of those who think just walking away will end the problems.

That all will be hunky-dory with the debt they pledge and failed to repay.

Welcome to Debt Slave Status Part II.

Comment by cactus
2010-03-15 12:48:17

I hear many Bankrupcy ads on the radio these days warning that debt restructuring is a bad thing and professional Bankrupcy is the only way to go for “real debt” whatever that is.

It’s a law firm advertising all this, very similair to the re-finacing ads I used to hear all the time just a few years ago

maybe the same people ? I think they also sell fine products on the cheap cable channels like steam vacuums and saws that cut anything

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-15 13:01:21

That might be somewhat of an empty threat meant to scare people who might be thinking of walking…
AFAIK, wage garnishment requires a court order and, despite what lenders’ lawyers say, a judge can say different.

Comment by potential buyer
2010-03-15 15:32:13

The state of CA. seems to garnish quite well without any court orders.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-15 18:32:04

California State government has a judicial branch which includes the Supreme Court of California as well as lower courts.

Banks might also have “branches”.. but not a judicial branch.

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Comment by SMF
2010-03-15 13:50:32

The conditions for walking away are quite tricky, and many will fall in that trap.

AFAIK, all those who took money out to buy whatever pleased them will be on the hook in any state.

In a few years, the next batch of investors will buy this debt from banks for pennies on the dollar, then hound the homeowners for 30 cents on the dollar.

Comment by holytrainwreck
2010-03-15 15:20:49

These situations are a collection agency’s wet dream.

 
 
 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2010-03-15 14:10:44

You just can’t make this stuff up.

Like place names.

Surprise, AZ?

Surprise, you’re an underwater FB!

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-15 15:53:53

“Seale purchased a foreclosed home back in July of 2009. He said he’s never regretted the decision. Seale said, ‘A month later it was appraised at $25 thousand more than we bought it for. So right there I just made $25 thousand equity on it.’”

HBBers, please pick up your 20-lb trouts and form a line behind me.

Comment by holytrainwreck
2010-03-15 16:27:03

That’s Casey speak. In fact, Casey “made” about 25K or so on his first property and then got all overly excited about how he was going to spend “his” millions…

Trout time!

 
 
Comment by holytrainwreck
2010-03-15 16:03:50

From the Las Vegas Business Press article posted (the last one):

However, attorney Dorothy Bunce said the mortgage relief act does not apply to Southern Nevada, in most instances. The canceled or forgiven debt must have been used to buy, build or substantially improve the principal residence, or to refinance debt incurred for those purposes.

“A lot of people refinanced to pay off credit card debt. A lot of people refinanced to take vacations. A lot of people are walking away from investment properties, not their principal residence,” Bunce said. “People I see coming into my office don’t qualify, so they get a (IRS Form) 1099 for the difference in the amount of what the property sold for and what they owed.”

So these people who used their houses to fund lavish lifestyles are going to have judgments entered against them (like they should) and have tax liability for the 1099 income (like they should).

Unless the CC debt was used to finance emergency medical, none of us should feel sorry for them. Too bad. It’s called consequences.

Comment by Prime_Is_Contained
2010-03-15 16:45:08

“So these people who used their houses to fund lavish lifestyles are going to have judgments entered against them (like they should) and have tax liability for the 1099 income (like they should). ”

Since most are insolvent, they will have no tax liability in spite of the 1099. Read the IRS regs—there is only tax liability for forgiven debt if you are solvent.

Comment by NYchk
2010-03-15 17:59:14

What if you become solvent next year? Can they re-issue 1099?

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-15 22:45:16

But some of these people are solvent , and walked anyway . Many of these people are still employed . Anyway try explaining to the IRS that your a hardship case when your not .

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-15 21:19:13

“On a quiet cul-de-sac in West Jordan, sellers Joe and Kristina Duquette have their 1,900-square-foot home on the market for $224,900. In 2007, the couple saw homes in the area selling in the high $200,000s, with one topping out at $320,000. Today a foreclosure next door is listed for $195,000, while other sellers keep cutting prices. To help compensate, they recently lowered theirs by $10,000. ‘Even a year ago, homes were going for $250,000,’ said Joe Duquette.”

Sounds like the sellers are having a reverse bid war. What do you call this — a knife catchers’ death spiral?

Comment by Sagesse
2010-03-15 21:39:52

Well, I’d rather read about what is happening on the benches. I.e., the Salt Lake “high end”. These areas cannot possibly have a problem, can they?

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-15 23:11:33

It late at night when I’m posting this ,but I think you all could benefit by listening to Michael Lewis talk about Wall Street . Because hes a Author
he has a way of explaining it .

Either just goggle Michel Lewis Interviews or here is one below .

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PLKMZbsjlaQ

 
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