March 17, 2010

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Comment by peter a
2010-03-17 07:16:48

China in Midst of ‘Greatest Bubble in History,’ Rickards Says
March 17 (Bloomberg) — China is in the midst of “the greatest bubble in history,” said James Rickards, former general counsel of hedge fund Long-Term Capital Management LP.

The Chinese central bank’s balance sheet resembles that of a hedge fund buying dollars and short-selling the yuan, said Rickards, now the senior managing director for market intelligence at McLean, Virginia-based consulting firm Omnis Inc.

“As I see it, it is the greatest bubble in history with the most massive misallocation of wealth,” Rickards said at the Asset Allocation Summit Asia 2010 organized by Terrapinn Pte in Hong Kong yesterday. China “is a bubble waiting to burst.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aNZe4JWeV1aw

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-17 07:24:36

‘China in Midst of ‘Greatest Bubble in History’

Wow, to say this in 2010 is really hanging it out there…

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-03-17 08:30:31

Ben, you still have to give the guy some credit. There is a huge, “China has us by the balls” crowd out there. I am not one of them but speaking against that does not put somebody into the majority.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-17 08:44:19

Well, the ‘Greatest Bubble in History’ is the global RE mania. Sure, China is a big part, but what about the ongoing bubbles in Australia, most of Asia, Canada, etc? What I’ve noticed and posted about is how governments and the media will use the words “housing bubble”, without acknowledging exactly what it is/was.

The part that should concern us right now, today, is what will these additional collapsing bubbles do to the global finance markets? Notice how everyone freaks out about Dubai and Greece, and we still have people lining up to buy pre-construction condos in Toronto.

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Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-03-17 09:05:32

Ah, yes, Toronto. It is still one of my favorite bubble memories. We went there in August 2006. I had previously been there in March 1995. I still can’t believe what I saw in 2006.

 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-03-17 09:58:02

I know a gal that made some money in Toronto, moved to South FL and made some more, then lost it all — every penny and then some — in St Lucie, FL. This ain’t know beanie baby bubble.

 
Comment by mrktMaven FL
2010-03-17 10:05:50

I would like to offer a sincere apology to the grammar police.

This is not a beanie baby bubble.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-03-17 11:23:22

“Well, the ‘Greatest Bubble in History’ is the global RE mania. Sure, China is a big part, but what about the ongoing bubbles in Australia, most of Asia, Canada, etc?”

I read a post from a guy in Australia on an online motorcycle forum complaining about how inflated used motorcycle prices are. He wanted to buy them from the US, and ship them home because it was cheaper. It seems that the loose lending has driven up the prices on all sorts of stuff.

 
Comment by are they crazy
2010-03-17 11:54:49

Maybe people don’t get the global part because they don’t think we should have to consider or know anything about those foreigners. The folks on this blog are not indicative of the general public. Most of the public thinks the bubble is over and they had nothing to do with it. They’er all just innocent victims of the banks and the government. As soon as that bad socialist president that wants to socialize healthcare gets done making jobs out of thin air for people not trained to work at much of anything necessary anymore (whether it should be or not), everything will go back to normal. So many just want to spend their lives complaining and blaming instead of at least taking care of their own lives, let alone actually get involved in something. I’m done ranting now, thank you.

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-03-17 15:12:14

Seems like most people assume either that everything is better everywhere else than here, or that it’s all worse. The same- ? no way.

 
Comment by Carlos4
2010-03-17 15:58:52

Ahem! Here in Cleveland we were voted the worst! Except for the Cleveland Clinic, the Cleveland Orchestra, a sports stadium or two, Lake Erie and a continuously shrinking population, there are some drawbacks to the area. Personally I think a few million more moving to the coasts would be wonderful; unfortunately, depopulation doesnt remove enough of the moochers to make up for the loss of taxpayers. Dont count on this train wreck to bail out those oh so desirable states.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 16:28:14

‘China in Midst of ‘Greatest Bubble in History’

The headline serves to ever so subtly shift the reader’s attention away from the real estate pandemic that has infected almost every country on the planet whose housing market advanced beyond the stone age.

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-03-17 12:16:02

Well scratch the RE bubble and you get a credit bubble. And credit bubbles are born of unreasoning optimism and non-transparency. The ChiComs are MUCH less transparent the the US, and arguably in the go go crazy factory cities, unreasoning optimism is something that the also have an oversupply of. And of course a fair percentage of the money that went INTO MBSs came from trade surplus dollars being repatriated from China. It’s perfectly possible that when China finally starts to feel the effect of the great contraction it will be worse than it has been in the US.

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Comment by Happy2bHeard
2010-03-17 16:09:45

Great Contraction - love it!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 16:31:36

“Great Contraction”

According to Reinhart and Rogoff (”This Time is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Folly“), this technically is the Second Great Contraction. The First was the 1930s episode.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-03-17 07:34:10

said James Rickards, former general counsel of hedge fund Long-Term Capital Management LP.

Long Term Capital Management… by today’s standards LTCM was a bunch of pikers, but in their day they were “too big to fail”.

Comment by Zeus Matuze
2010-03-17 08:08:18

Rickards said leveraged speculation in the stock market, wasteful allocation of resources by state-owned enterprises, off-balance-sheet debt through regional governments and the country’s human rights record are concerns.

Do you know what the difference is between the Communist control of the yuan and the Federal Reserve’s control of the dollar?

Yeah, me neither.

Comment by measton
2010-03-17 09:05:06

Bingo

or for that matter communist run banks and business vs Corporate/Wall Street Run US gov with bail outs for TBTF.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-17 14:15:59

What? You have problem with Corporate Communist Capitalism©®™, comrades?

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 20:51:18

Nyet, tavareesh.

 
 
 
 
Comment by cactus
2010-03-17 08:20:06

Yes its keeping the dollar high and the yuan low and if or when it unwinds there will be problems and all us dollar hoarders will be toast

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-03-17 08:33:13

Combotechie?

Comment by combotechie
2010-03-17 18:32:54

Sorry I couldn’t respond sooner; I had to go to work to add to my collection of worthless fiats.

As for those posts from yesterday about me burying my money in my back yard, this is a rumor I circulated for the benifit of my neighbors; I’m suprised it made it onto this blog.

Anyhow, my wife needed the back yard dug up in order to plant her garden. I’m much too cheap to hire anyone to do it and much to lazy to do it myself so I thought I’d get the neighbors do it for me.

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Comment by packman
2010-03-17 19:15:27

LOL

I’ve tried that trick - even “accidentally” left some shovels out on the back porch. My neighbors apparently aren’t as greedy as I thought them to be though, dangit.

 
 
 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-03-17 08:39:16

“Yes its keeping the dollar high and the yuan low and if or when it unwinds there will be problems and all us dollar hoarders will be toast”

What? Are we really keeping the dollar high? We could tell the Chinese to go fruck themselves, rebuild our manufacturing base, decrease the size of government at all levels and the dollar sure wouldn’t go down.

We are junkies and China is our dealer. Getting rid of them would make us stronger, not weaker. Let’s call it The Hopium Wars.

Comment by wittbelle
2010-03-19 13:36:18

Have you EVER heard of a dealer that goes away quietly without collecting what is owed to him, (or a substitute, like your wife and/or children)? I haven’t.

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Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-03-17 08:44:03

“… the price-rent ratio in 2009 was typically around 1:500, with 1:700 in some regions, representing a 25 percent increase from 2008…
For the developers, the logic is extremely simple and strong: if the central government doesn’t allow housing prices to go down, they won’t go down.
…The increase in the real estate sector contributed 6.6 percent of the 8.7 percent increase in the GDP. If the real estate sector is deprived of its exorbitant profits, the Chinese government will lose its only so-called achievement.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/31384/?source=patrick.net

…of course this time its different. The laws of economics don’t apply to the “central government”. They are completely delusional.

Comment by packman
2010-03-17 10:15:35

I assume he means “rent-price” ratio, not “price-rent” ratio - since I would hope for instance that it doesn’t actually cost 500-700 times more to rent a home than to buy one! Otherwise - where do I sign up?!

Normal rent:price ration is what - around 1:200 or so? Maybe 1:300? It does sound like they’re getting bubbly. It’s true - the Chinese really are experts at copying us!

Being that their economy is still quite a bit smaller than ours (less than 1/3, by GDP estimates) - even with that size of a bubble I wouldn’t say it’s the biggest in history at all - certainly the real estate bubble at least is far smaller than the U.S. / world one got.

Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-03-17 10:48:48

Relative to the size of their economy their bubble is already larger than ours and larger than Japan’s, but not as large as Australia’s. In absolute terms the US bubble was the largest to date. But the Chinese are ambitious people, they can have a bubble just as big as ours if the central government puts all their might behind it. Learning from other people’s/coutries’ mistakes would be too easy and besides, this time its different…right?

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Comment by Carl Morris
2010-03-17 12:32:55

But the Chinese are ambitious people, they can have a bubble just as big as ours if the central government puts all their might behind it.

Yeah, they’ll show us who the real masters of the universe are.

 
Comment by neuromance
2010-03-17 18:53:26

Say what you will about the Chinese, but if their bubble causes as much damage as ours did, with as much corporate malfeasance, this much is sure - you won’t hear the politicians bargaining with the executives about the size of their bonuses.

 
 
Comment by jingle male
2010-03-17 10:52:21

I just entered into a contract to buy a house in Sacramento. The monthly rent is $1895. The short sale price is $226,000. The ratio is 1:119. Annually, it is 1:9.9.

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-17 12:31:02

Jingle:

Must be a huge house with a nice pool…congrats!

 
Comment by jingle male
2010-03-17 15:34:24

It is 1900 sf, and yes it does have a pool, which is not the best for a rental unit, but the people in there want to stay long term. I own a couple of other houses on the same street and lived on the street from 1990-2004 so I am quite comfortable with the area and market.

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-03-18 03:26:24

Congratulations, jingle! :)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-03-17 07:29:42

7,500 South Floridians receive mortgage breaks through Obama program
by Kim Miller
The Obama administration’s Making Home Affordable foreclosure rescue program has provided permanent loan modifications for 7,532 people in Palm Beach, Broward and Miami-Dade counties, according to a Treasury Department report released last week.

Statewide, 21,111 borrowers in financial distress received reductions in their monthly mortgage payment through the $75 billion program. Another 102,033 are on trial modifications waiting to hear if they will receive a permanent price break.

The reductions, made by lenders, are completed mostly by lowering a borrower’s interest rate. About 40 percent of the loans were extended, probably to 40 years, while 28 percent were given principal forbearance. This usually means cutting the principal amount owed, but tacking it onto the back of the loan.

Comment by Muggy
2010-03-17 07:34:51

“This usually means cutting the principal amount owed, but tacking it onto the back of the loan.”

Was what?

Comment by bink
2010-03-17 07:43:39

Don’t question it. It is beyond all understanding.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-03-17 07:49:25

Sounds like a ballon payment or something.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-17 08:52:33

And, like many balloon payments, it will probably blow up in the borrowers’ — and lenders’ — faces.

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Comment by In Colorado
2010-03-17 09:15:19

Yup, just more kicking the can and hoping for a miracle down the road.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-03-17 08:44:24

“This usually means cutting the principal amount owed, but tacking it onto the back of the loan.”

What is the $75 billion for?

Comment by Muggy
2010-03-17 10:02:09

“What is the $75 billion for?”

Working lunches at Applebee’s?

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-17 14:18:37

So true it’s not even funny.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-03-17 09:43:24

Well forebearance is NOT the same thing as forgiveness. I’m guessing that this represents principal that they are temporarily or permanantly not paying interest on.

Comment by mikeinbend
2010-03-17 11:03:39

I know of a lady who owes 538k on her home, but has not paid in a year. So the bank has already not received around 40k in payment. Same bank refused a 500k cash offer on the home. Bank won’t take a 38k loss, but has already taken 40k in losses via non payment.

Maybe there is mortgage insurance, otherwise I do not understand the bank’s thinking.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-17 11:34:10

Bank? Thinking?

When the bank start doing this thinking thing of which you speak?

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Comment by Austin_Martin
2010-03-17 11:57:51

That 40k in missed payments, is booked by the bank as non-cash earnings. Why would they want to take a loss? They can continue to book non-cash earnings until they become insolvent or the government forces them to recognize losses on their balance sheet. Meanwhile, they continue to get huge bonuses, and the stock goes up!

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Comment by Jim A.
2010-03-17 12:19:13

Until they”become insolvent”? Arguably they’re already insolvent, their depositors (who are, in turn, their creditors) just don’t realize it yet.

 
 
 
 
Comment by jingle male
2010-03-17 11:22:13

Making Home Affordable:

I just completed an Obama Refi on my own house in Sacramento. I purchased it from Countrywide in late 2007. Seemed like a good idea at the time. Prior owner paid $685,000 and foreclosed. I paid $389,000. 3100 SF, so $125/SF cost.

Fast forward 28 months. The market value is now $292,000 (yes, go ahead, say it: “I, an avid HBB’er ignored all the caveats and bought the ‘falling knife’!” The existing loan amount is $303,000. My lender GMAC completed a 104% LTV refinance dropping my rate from 6.125% to 4.75%. Absolutely NO COST to me. Knocked $315/mon off my loan payment.

The reduced rate doesn’t make up for the $100,000 value drop the last 28 months, but I love the house and was not going anywhere anyway! Over the next 5 years it will save me $18,500 in interest and pay down an extra $1600 in principal. Plus if I ever wanted to rent it, I could break even now.

Comment by CarrieAnn
2010-03-17 12:08:44

So the pay off date didn’t change?

Comment by jingle male
2010-03-17 15:40:02

Good point. The 30-year full amortization was extended out 28 more months. However, I will only live there another 5-10 years. IMPORTANT to note the LOAN BALANCE in 5 years will be $1600 less than the old loan, which started amortzing 28 months ago. Today, both loans would be at $303,000, but in 60 months, the old loan balance would be $279,112 vs the new loan at $271,554. Loans with lower interest rates amortize faster in the first 10 years (and slower in the years 20-30). Not many people understand this, but do 2 amortization tables on a mortgage calculator web site and see for yourself. Compare month 60!

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Comment by jingle male
2010-03-17 15:56:09

Augh. Typo. In 60 months the new loan balance will be $277,554, or $1600 less than the old loan. (not $271,554)

 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-17 12:34:06

Too bad you didn’t realize this in 2007……

Plus if I ever wanted to rent it, I could break even now.

Comment by jingle male
2010-03-17 15:41:50

I know. I thought I was the smartest guy in the room…..for not buying in 2005! I got very impatient.

It was hard to not live in a home I could not improve. I am a Home Depot weekend warrior.

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Comment by cactus
2010-03-17 13:19:23

just completed an Obama Refi on my own house in Sacramento. I purchased it from Countrywide in late 2007. Seemed like a good idea at the time. Prior owner paid $685,000 and foreclosed. I paid $389,000. 3100 SF, so $125/SF cost.

I just entered into a contract to buy a house in Sacramento. The monthly rent is $1895. The short sale price is $226,000. The ratio is 1:119. Annually, it is 1:9.9.”

so you own 2 homes in Sacramento now ? or you’re doing a buy and bail ? A landlord maybe ?

Comment by jingle male
2010-03-17 15:47:40

I own 8 homes and just put the 9th in escrow. Yes, I am a landlord. A few I have owned for many years, 2 are debt free. The one I just refinanced with the Obama plan I purchased in Nov. 2007. I have lost $100,000 in “equity” value. I have purchased 4 more since then all at prices well under $100/sf and with cash flow.

Please note I am not a speculator. I am a long term investor and I provide outstanding service to all the residents in my homes. I don’t have a pension or a government retirement plan, so these houses are my way of saving for retirment. Most of the residents have been in the homes for multiple years and my vacancy is less than 1%!

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-17 15:57:08

Most of the residents have been in the homes for multiple years and my vacancy is less than 1%!

And I’ll bet you screen your tenants six ways to Sunday. (Which is a “best practice “for landlords.)

 
 
 
 
Comment by Jerry
2010-03-17 13:07:48

Upside down fools will be making payments for years as houses will continue to fall for years to come. If they decide this is a “home” and not just a house to live in, perhaps it might make some justified reason to stay. Otherwise from a investment view rent.

Comment by jingle male
2010-03-17 15:52:49

You may be right, but I believe Sacramento has reached a bottom. The inventory is under 2 months at current low sales rates. The builders are back. Finished lots have jumped from $25k to $75 k recently and there is lots of activity.

The houses I am buying now have a nice cash flow with 25% down, since rates are 5.35%. We receive 3-5% cash flow on the down payment and another 3-5% on amortization paydown. The acquisition cost is under reproduction cost.

The risks? Rents could decline, reproduction cost could drop, and we could get a double dip recession.

However, I get to have some control over my portfolio and influence the performance with solid management and occupancy.

 
Comment by Shizo
2010-03-17 16:26:08

http://www.ginniemae.gov/rent_vs_buy/rent_vs_buy_calc.asp?Section=YPTH

More proof (or is that “poof”?) that home values only go UP. Try to put a negative value in the rent vs. buy calc for appreciation. HA! This page is so biased it has to be gov’t based.

 
 
 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-17 07:36:13

I listened to the guy who wrote the Big Short on NPR the other day. I know he has been interviewed there at least once since then and on other shows. This is classic propaganda, IMO. When he was asked about prosecutions, he adamantly stated how counter-productive it would be and that we need “simple reforms.”

He uses words like “doomsday machine”, but then attributes it to a “handful” of people on wall street. This guy is an establishment tool, and the media is (predictably) lapping it up.

Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-03-17 08:08:06

Was that Michael Lewis?

Michael Lewis wrote “Liar’s Poker”, a book about the infancy of mortgage securitization. I read Liar’s Poker about 6 or 7 years ago and found it to be a fascinating read.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-17 08:12:30

Yeah, and what’s his background? Surprise! Wall street…

He was asked about the S&L prosecutions, and went on about how few went to jail. Here’s a tip; maybe if more had gone to jail, this boondoggle wouldn’t have happened. And if only a handful of people caused this, what’s the problem of putting them in prison?

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-03-17 08:32:49

Ben, now is not the time to be looking backwards or laying blame. We need to move forward and deal with what is in front of us.

I can’t believe I typed that with a straight face. CityBoy feels dirty. Ahhhh, those Lysol wipes come in handy. “Lower. Lower.”

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Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-03-17 10:16:38

Hope your drinking some of that Irish Whiskey to keep the vomit down. :)

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-03-17 11:42:36

Jack and Jack

 
Comment by dude
2010-03-17 16:43:02

My veep tells me that line every time I prove that some other manager is a blithering idiot. I’d be really, really happy to get back to a world with consequences for bad actors.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-03-18 09:17:19

But we need to quickly get to the dream world where all crooks are worshiped and all honest people are punished! Because that is the making of a great nation, or something…

 
 
Comment by are they crazy
2010-03-17 11:59:04

There is a reference to him on Gawker today. The allegation is the genesis of the book is someone else’s Phd thesis and that this is the 2nd book he has done this with.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 21:58:10

“And if only a handful of people caused this, what’s the problem of putting them in prison?”

That’s a great thought, Ben. Too bad that handful works for firms that are above the rule of law (i.e., regulated by the Fed).

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Comment by fisher
2010-03-17 08:16:13

Agreed. I heard the same interview and was appalled by what that fellow was espousing. Ignoring the insane amount of criminal activity just gives a free pass for the swine to try it again. Why wouldn’t they? The payoff is huge.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-17 08:27:34

He more or less said prosecuting these people would stifle financial “innovation.” And all of this is ignoring the role the Fed had in not only failing to regulate the securitization markets, but shouting from the rooftops (ie giving comfort to the rating agencies) how bullet-proof it was.

IMO, the author is simply an apologist for “white collar” crime.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-03-17 08:34:15

I always thought this guy was supposed to be one of the good ones. I guess not. Screw him and the Range Rover he rode in on.

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Comment by polly
2010-03-17 09:22:58

I knew one of his college classmates when I was in NYC at my first law firm job. Report was that he was pretty much the biggest a–hole on the planet. And this was from a 3rd year associate who had developed a thick skin when it came to dealing with a–holes.

That being said, lots of people are a–holes in college.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-17 10:07:21

I can remember plenty of ahos from my college days. (And, of course, young Slim never fit into that category [grin].)

I also remember quite a few of the good guys and gals. One of whom is now a multimillionaire. One of the nicest fellas you’d ever want to meet.

And there’s the gal who’s now on National Public Radio. Nice kid whom I knew from the college paper. She had the same squeaky-girl voice that the rest of us gals did. Sure doesn’t sound that way now. (Nothing like getting into a place where they take an interest in developing your on-air presence. NPR sure has worked out for her.)

And there were the real talents — people you knew would go far. I remember them well. One went on to win the Pulitzer Prize. At age 20, that girl had already found her literary voice. Most writers don’t accomplish that feat until they’re much older. Another won the National Book Award — very much deserved, IMHO.

 
 
Comment by In Montana
2010-03-17 08:36:17

Yeah I love these guys who make a fortune from these schemes then write about it later to tell everyone how perfectly awful it all was.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-17 09:03:22

While I think Lewis has great ways of explaining what they did
on Wall Street ,he doesn’t have good answers on what to do with this mess . But Lewis does say that they should of just let them BK . Ben is right that he just kinda racks off the crimes as part of the system ,even going light weight on Goldmans by saying in essence they should of been a better example .

This guy is a Author ,so in a lot of ways hes in to characters ,but he does have a way of explaining CDO’s and credit default swaps that make them simple . It’s like any speaker ,take the best and trash the rest .

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-17 09:27:24

Bernie Sanders was one of the best speakers against Hank Paulson during the Tarp hearings . He had charts showing the conflict of interest ,attacked AIG and credit default swaps and
all that ,and he did it with a passion ,yet he is considered a
socialist on a lot of fronts .

 
Comment by basura
2010-03-17 09:50:21

Yup. I thought he was the best. Defazio(??) was great too.

Pains me to admit it as a libertarian leaning fool that I am.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-17 09:54:22

I was in Vermont last August. Bernie Sanders hosted a health care town hall 60 miles away from the town I was visiting. Without hesitation, my Aunt Jean and I hopped in the car and went over.

Great event, no two ways about it. I saw firsthand how beloved Sanders is in Vermont. Sure can’t say that for either of my two U.S. Senators.

 
Comment by basura
2010-03-17 14:02:15

Are saying John “No Vitamins for you” McCain isn’t popular in AZ? If you watch any MSM, you would think that McCain is the most beloved republican out there.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-17 14:16:19

Yup, basura, that’s what I’m saying. McCain seldom comes into the city of Tucson to do events of any sort. He’ll occasionally go to Oro Valley, wherein a lot of wealthy Republicans dwell. Or he’ll go to lily-white retirement communities like Green Valley.

But ethnically diverse, not-so-wealthy, not at all Republican, and often fractious Tucson? He avoids this place. For some strange reason, he doesn’t seem to like us.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-17 20:02:01

I’m quite a bit right of center, but still find much to admire about Bernie Saunders. Don’t always agree with him, but he seems to have true principles and convictions, which makes him unique among his peers.

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-03-18 03:49:05

Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul, and Dennis Kucinich all seem to care about their constituents and the country, in general. I’d vote for any one of them.

Bernie Sanders is my favorite. :)

 
 
Comment by X-GSfixr
2010-03-17 09:16:53

I think we have enough evidence to do a cost-benefit analysis of this type of “innovation”, and anyone with half a brain can see that the so-called “benefits” outweigh the “costs”.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-17 09:57:57

I get sick and tired of Wall Streets BS about innovation . Lewis does say in essence that Wall Street wasn’t making enough money by just stock trades and getting into these CDO’s was a way of opening up their money making potential . It was pure greed and a breach of fiduciary duty IMHO. Lewis also thinks that
the change from the partnership structure to the Corporation
structure took away the responsibility of these commissioned
employees and opened up money making to absurd levels .
Lewis does say in essence that Rating Agencies just rubber
stamped the CDO’s, Regulators did not control leverage, employees of investment firms kept the upside with
out the downside within the Corporation structure which made pay levels go off the chart to absurd .

I don’t agree that you can hide within the Corporation structure and just destroy the financial markets and more evidence is mounting that these off books transactions to hide the true worth of Investment firms or their liability
were taking place .
It always baffled me when those CEO’s were saying in unison
that they didn’t see it coming . Well, you must of seen it coming enough to try to hide it . Its like Mozillo pumping up his stock knowing that his lending turned criminal in order to do it and than saying after the fact that he was just doing what the Government wanted .
I want all these bastards to get nailed ,even on their personal wealth . The financial destruction they created was unforgivable ,and criminal in my view ,and new regulations must take aways many of these casino games of mass destruction .

The more I think about it Ben is so right that you just got a bunch of apologist running around trying to take the heat off
this corrupt Investment world . I have stated many times that this was the biggest Obstruction of Justice case in History.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-17 20:07:37

We need to come up with new and innovative ways to punish the people who created this mess. Or better yet go back to tried and true methods like flogging with a cat-o-nine-tails and keel-hauling. Then find some new Devils Island to dump them on. Say, Haiti.

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-03-18 03:50:56

Sammy for president! :)

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-03-17 09:44:57

Gee, isn’t stifling this kind of “innovation,” the point?

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Comment by packman
2010-03-17 10:24:15

That’s what I was thinking.

Let’s leave the innovation to physical things like cars, the internet, etc. - and out of the financial world - shall we? Financial innovation tends to create a lot more problems than it solves.

Goofs in technical innovation may cause a portion of the internet to crash for a few minutes or even hours - but it doesn’t cause the entire economy to crash for years.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 11:13:44

What was it that Paul Volcker identified as the only useful form of financial innovation in recent decades? I can’t remember if it was supermarket scanner technology or the ATM machine (and I don’t mean the home equity extraction ATM).

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-17 11:35:46

Volcker identified the ATM as the only useful financial innovation. And I’d have to say that I agree with Tall Paul on that one.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-03-17 11:47:35

It was the ATM.

These jerks want the system to be as complicated as possible. That is what they mean by innovation. Anything that makes the system more complicated for the little guy to understand is seen as a great thing. It is harder for them to get in trouble when 98% of the population can’t understand what the phrock they are doing.

 
Comment by packman
2010-03-17 12:53:32

An ATM is not a financial innovation at all - it is purely a technical one. The same exact function was performed previously by bank tellers - give them an ID, and take cash out of your bank account, check account balance, etc.

Financial innovations are things like ETFs, SIVs, CDS, etc - things that just weren’t done before, either manually or automatically.

Early financial innovations were worthwhile - e.g. basic insurance, checking accounts, and the like - perhaps even mutual funds - (thought to be honest I’m not crazy about them even, even though I use them. Later ones - not so much. Eventually the added complication and risk more than offsets whatever gains you get in flexibility.

 
Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-03-17 13:19:24

Bitch to Volcker. He is the one that said it.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-17 13:30:30

NYCityBoy, you’re bringing back wonderful memories of my New Yorker relatives. Especially their direct, to-the-pointness.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-03-17 13:44:39

+1, pack.

If you had 24-7 bank tellers the way they have 24-7 checkout girls at Wal-mart, it wouldn’t be an innovation at all. Is the automatic checkout at grocery stores an innovation too?

 
Comment by packman
2010-03-17 14:23:49

Is the automatic checkout at grocery stores an innovation too?

Certainly an innovation - but again not a financial one. More just a logistical one (yes there are such things).

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-17 14:40:31

…which was his (apparently far too subtle) point.

 
Comment by packman
2010-03-17 19:22:23

Doh - yeah I see that now. Lucky I didn’t get an RUI.

(Reading Under the Influence)

 
 
Comment by neuromance
2010-03-17 19:00:00

He more or less said prosecuting these people would stifle financial “innovation.”

You can only extract so much wealth from people over a period of time. Trying to extract too much from them is like the search for a perpetual motion machine, and the goal of financial “innovation”. The credit bubble was an exercise in trying to find out just how much more could be extracted from people. It seems like the financial system exceeded the maximum and it broke down.

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Comment by CA renter
2010-03-18 03:52:53

Well put, neuromance.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-03-18 09:21:22

Funny, all this financial innovation seems like glorified robbery to me… Hmmm…

 
 
 
 
Comment by measton
2010-03-17 09:13:45

Bingo he’s been all over, he was on John Stewart last night. He admitted that Wall Street trained the rating agencies to do their bidding, but then stated that some of them were fooled by their own ratings and thus were purchasing MBS right before the crash.

I say pure BS

I suspect that almost all of the Wall Street elite knew that they were dealing in horse manuer, what some of the gamblers didn’t know was when the big boys would pull the plug. When you are gambling with other peoples money who cares if there’s a possibility that someone might come along and close the game down and take all the money. You’ve already pocked yours. I’m convinced that GS and latter others figured that AIG could be used to get an indirect bailout from the Gov and they thought they wouldn’t be held accountable. This guy is a covert Wall Street propagandist, who throws out a little truth to fish in the angry mob but then leaves them with the message that it wasn’t a criminal act that lost everyone money, merely stupidity “they just didn’t understand”.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 21:53:54

Propaganda to cover white collar financial crimes is the story the MSM seems to perpetually miss. I guess it stands to reason, since the MSM is pretty much owned by the same big money interests that own the Wall Street casino.

 
 
Comment by jingle male
2010-03-17 11:24:31

Michael Lewis was on 60 minutes last weekend. Fascinating and depressing!

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-17 13:29:50

The more I think about it ,I don’t accept Lewis saying the Corporation structure isn’t liable . Isn’t a Corporation liable for the acts of their employees?
If a engineer at Toyota designed faulty breaks ,it doesn’t let Toyota off the hook for what that faulty breaking system did in the way of damage ,nor does it remove liability on correcting the problem .
From day one they tried to underplay the meltdown and the destruction that followed as somehow just part of the business cycle
and the Money Changers were sitting up their defense of “We didn’t see it coming .” Could you imagine Toyota saying “We didn’t see it coming ” and that would be grounds for them not being liable or correcting the situation ,or even getting bail outs to hide the crimes and liability for faulty breaks ?

I think this has been a snow job from day one and I think many crimes were committed ,but these bail outs just masked a lot of the crimes and I think that was the intent ,along with saving the hide of corrupt entities so they could go back to business as usual and flaunt their bonuses at us ,while main street gets fleeced . I guess Wall Street already fleeced Main street even before the meltdown ,but the melt down just makes it painfully clear who they decided the bag-holders where going to be .

Comment by CA renter
2010-03-18 03:57:24

Agree very much with your second paragraph, Wiz.

I think the point about a corporate structure reducing liability relates to the fact that the *individuals* are not as likely to be held accountable vs. a more direct ownership model.

All the guilty individuals can hide behind the corporate veil and let the corporation take the hit. They also will often have insurance — that the corporation pays for — that protects them to some extent if they are somehow found responsible for some failure.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-17 14:38:28

…and this is why it takes a nation destroying catastrophes to make any beneficial changes for the public. The entitlement attitude of the PTB are too deeply entrenched.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-17 19:57:15

I smelled a rat when “The Big Short” started showing up on all the MSM channels, to fawning adulation from his hosts. His book might be worth checking out from the library, but to me he’s a Judas goat who is being deployed to try to defuse popular anger at Wall Street and the banksters.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-03-17 07:37:46

The $810,000 Home You Can’t Live In

http://voiceofsandiego.org/survival/article_9e08c31e-316a-11df-8ccc-001cc4c002e0.html

“Remember that half-built Leucadia subdivision called Nantucket I wrote about in 2008?  Somebody bought a home there last month at a foreclosure auction for $810,000, and apparently didn’t know that the city of Encinitas has not granted the property a certificate of occupancy, meaning no one can live there. Homes sold at trustee’s sale — usually auctioned off on the courthouse steps — are sold as-is without any of the disclosures you would get if you went to buy a house from a normal seller. It’s a big risk. This case yields a good look at why you should do everything you can to research the property you’re planning to buy.”

“When Barratt submitted plans to build the luxury development, the company signed an agreement with the city of Encinitas to build two price-restricted affordable homes, for sale or rent to a household earning 50 percent or less of the area median income. For a family of five, that’s $44,600.  To make sure they followed through on that deal, the city withheld one certificate of occupancy from the development, meaning Barratt couldn’t sell that one house until it built the affordable unit.”

“On Feb. 4, Little Point LLC purchased the house for $810,000, according to public records — paying less than half what the investors had initially hoped to sell the house for.  About a month ago, Kline got a phone call from someone who said he was the new owner. The man on the phone said he understood Kline knew some things about the Nantucket house.
He told Kline he’d paid $807,000 cash for the house at the auction, but had learned later that the house doesn’t have the certificate of occupancy. He asked Kline what his chances were of persuading the city to grant the certificate.  “I told him, ‘Slim to none,’” Kline said. “He said, ‘You’re making me sick. I’m so sick to my stomach. I feel like I’m going to throw up.’”  “I guess it’s buyer beware when you buy a foreclosure,” Kline said. “Even the sophisticated ones — this guy had $800,000 cash! He just put $800,000 into a dark hole, thinking he got a smoking deal.”

Looks like he caught a falling ICBM.  Does this “savvy” investor also have to pay property tax on his new trophy house?

Comment by yensoy
2010-03-17 07:43:44

If it was auctioned labeled as a “Home” then he might have legal recourse against the auctioneer. I think it is perfectly reasonable to expect that a Home be a place one can live in.

If the action notice said “Structure that looks like a home” then yeah he’s out of luck.

Comment by scdave
2010-03-17 08:49:05

IMO, the Auctioneer is just a facilitator…The seller (A Bank I assume) does not have any disclosure responsibility to the buyer in a Auction…I would bet there is some “Bold” cautionary statement to any potential bidders warning that it is their sole responsibility to conduct their own due diligence before offering to purchase the real estate…

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-03-17 07:50:29

Rather ironic - so instead of at least one family living in a house in an empty subdivision we will have no families living in these houses…

On the bright side - he probably qualifies for the affordable housing unit now…

Comment by scdave
2010-03-17 08:57:59

A resolution to the predicament maybe the bank deeding the two price restricted lots to the city and the city having the two homes built…Since they bare price restricted the lots likely have little value even in a auction..Now, with that said, my experience with city municipalities tells me that process should take something between 2 to 3 years…No a very good position to be in when you just dropped $800,000. on something you cannot occupy…

Comment by Jim A.
2010-03-17 09:48:02

Yeah, a possible solution is for the buyer to build two affordable homes himself. Although at this point the local government is probably so strapped for cash that he could negotiate some sort of “impact fee,” in lieu of building the houses.

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Comment by Bad Chile
2010-03-17 10:00:26

I hope they reduce the buyer’s tax bill based upon the fact the property is worthless except as bare land; and even then, the land is encumbered with the caveat that the affordable houses have to be built.

Methinks in terms of property taxes it has negative worth.

 
Comment by Kim
2010-03-17 10:17:24

“he could negotiate some sort of “impact fee,” in lieu of building the houses”

That would be my guess as to what will happen in this situation. I don’t know about California, but in many other areas, property taxes are much lower on construction than on a fully completed place - i.e. occupancy permit. They’ll be eager to collect as much revenue as possible.

Also, from the standpoint of of future revenue streams, its not really in the best interests of TPTB to be put in the position of making the (very HBB-like) argument that despite the huge drop in house prices, housing is still not affordable, which is basically the stand they’d have to take if they want to argue the point that the low income properties are still needed.

 
Comment by Shizo
2010-03-17 10:23:59

If he paid cash for the house he does not need a C.O. unless the municipality decides to go after him. Most of the time a C.O. is only used by a bank to release funds for a loan at the end of construction as proof to the bank that the structure was built to whatever IRC/building code is in play at the time. I know of a lot of structures around here that never had a final inspection (no C.O.) and are being occupied. Then again, if he ever tries to sell it- he is hosed.

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-03-17 11:45:21

“he could negotiate some sort of “impact fee,” in lieu of building the houses”

Maybe, but couldn’t the city be sued for providing an occupancy certificate without the “affordable” houses being produced?

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-03-17 11:52:26

“I hope they reduce the buyer’s tax bill based upon the fact the property is worthless except as bare land; and even then, the land is encumbered with the caveat that the affordable houses have to be built. Methinks in terms of property taxes it has negative worth.”

Presumably a house that can’t be occupied isn’t worth very much, except it could be occupied if certain conditions are met. But he just paid $800k for the house which could/would make that the market price in the eyes of assessor.

 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-17 20:12:01

That’s cold, 2banana. It’s so wrong of me to laugh.

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-17 14:44:52

Fools and their money are soon parted.

Which always begs the questions, “How do fools that big end up with that kind of money in the first place?”

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-17 20:13:50

I wouldn’t be so quick to call him a fool. There are plenty of gotchas out there waiting to trip a person up. He’s getting a raw deal.

Comment by hip in zilker
2010-03-17 22:23:01

Sammy got sympathy?

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Comment by CA renter
2010-03-18 04:09:57

No need for sympathy. The buyer was Little Point, LLC. Most likely a group of investors who buy REOs at the courthouse steps and flip them for ridiculous profits (which ends up costing both end buyers and the banks/taxpayers more than if the banks had taken them back instead).

I despise these parasites. After years of watching the flippers hoard all the inventory — and then flipping for obscene profits, nothing would make me happier (as it regards the housing market) than to see these idiots obliterated in transaction after transaction. We need to get rid of these parasites once and for all.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-03-17 07:48:08

Golden Sacks “shocked” we’ve been clocked…

Evidence of a Financial Coup in America
The devastating Lehman Brothers bankruptcy report 3/17/10 Global Research

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18147

How much more evidence of a financial coup and the THEFT of TRILLIONS of DOLLARS do we need before the media and our politicians do something, anything, to restore a rule of law in this nation? What is it going to take?

And now comes the devastating Lehman Brothers bankruptcy report/indictment, which, once again, proves the all-out fraudulent activities that led to the THEFT of TRILLIONS of OUR DOLLARS.

It has been only a few days since the report was released and the coverage is already dropping off into the cesspool of “reporting” that masquerades as modern “journalism.”

First up, Dylan Ratigan, the one person on US television that actually reports on this. I couldn’t agree with him more, as he puts it: “The bottom line: While many Americans and many in our government would love for you to believe that the financial crisis and the transfer of wealth in this country was an accident, this report comes just short of suggesting this is by no means an accident, but instead one of the greatest crimes ever perpetrated against a group of people. This crime: an accounting fraud perpetrated by bank CEOs against the American taxpayer and enabled by the US government.”

Lehman bankruptcy report exposes Wall Street criminality

The Lehman report demonstrates that workers’ jobs, homes, wages and life savings, as well as their access to health care, education and even such rudimentary necessities as light and heat, are being sacrificed to pay for the criminality of the financial elite, which has further enriched itself from the catastrophe of its own making.

In the wake of the report’s release, major Wall Street firms such as Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase have expressed shock over the Lehman revelations and averred that they never employed the accounting dodges used by their former competitor. One is reminded of the film Casablanca, in which Captain Renault declares his “shock” at discovering gambling in Rick’s casino.

How Lehman, With The Fed’s Complicity, Created Another Illegal Precedent In Abusing The Primary Dealer Credit Facility…Frank Partnoy: Lehman Examiner Punted on Valuation…NY Fed Under Geithner Implicated in Lehman Accounting Fraud Allegation…Hank Paulson’s recent book mentions repeatedly that Lehman’s valuations were phony as if it were no big deal…Lehman Brothers, Fraud and the New York Fed…Repo 105: Lehman’s ‘Accounting Gimmick’ Explained…What killed Lehman is alive and kicking…The most alarming element of the report may not be what it says about Lehman, but what it reveals about the rottenness and risks that still endanger the financial services industry and the global economy.

JPMorgan, Citigroup helped trigger Lehman collapse, report argues

Comment by bink
2010-03-17 08:04:47

So that’s one investment bank. What about Citi, Wachovia, Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch, etc?

Comment by scdave
2010-03-17 09:07:57

They are all bandits…Its depressing really…
Double standards…Selective enforcement of the rule of law… :(

 
 
Comment by packman
2010-03-17 10:34:16

Thanks for the link - a blood-boiling read, indeed.

I weep for our future.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-17 14:46:22

What future?

Comment by packman
2010-03-17 19:05:55

Planning on being raptured, are you?

;)

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-17 19:44:05

More like “ruptured.” :lol:

 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-17 10:46:51

Rio..I have noticed that Dylan Ratigan has been taking on Wall Street and this is one of the only MSM programs that does (thats why I posted a couple of his links lately ).
Dylan Ratigan use to be a Cheerleader and than he started going off into being a exposing Journalist ,which I give him a lot of credit for making that change . He understands Wall Street very well ,better than a lot of
host do or care to. I hope he keeps it up .

Yep ,history is going see this as one of the biggest attempts at cover ups and stealing of trillions and trillions of dollars by the culprits in the History of the US .

The Casinos are rotten and corrupt and we need those games like a whole in the head and a major overhaul is warranted for God Sakes .

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-03-17 15:18:12

Dylan Ratigan use to be a Cheerleader and than he started going off into being a exposing Journalist ,which I give him a lot of credit for making that change .

Hey you’re right, there has been a big change in his content.

Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-03-17 17:17:36

I’m glad you guys pointed this out. I was going to comment that he had been one of the biggest shills for stocks and was always busting Schiff’s chops.

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Comment by CA renter
2010-03-18 04:17:58

I believe this is why he left CNBC.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-03-17 11:26:44

Hey, lil’ Opie better start firing some generals & prepare the folks for a long drawin’ out period of disappointment! ;-)

Pick a staring point…hows ’bout Oct 29th 1929:

Calamity Jane & Joe have no jobs…

A signed Law…x3 years later:

The second Glass–Steagall Act (the Banking Act of 1933) was a reaction to the collapse of a large portion of the American commercial banking system in early 1933. It introduced the separation of bank types according to their business (commercial and investment banking), and it founded the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation for insuring bank deposits. Literature in economics usually refers to this latter act simply as the Glass–Steagall Act, since it had a stronger impact on US banking regulation.

The morning horizon of a beast emerging from a slumber…Repeal:

The bill that ultimately repealed the Act was introduced in the Senate by Phil Gramm (Republican of Texas) and in the House of Representatives by Jim Leach (R-Iowa) in 1999. The bills were passed by a Republican majority, basically following party lines by a 54–44 vote in the Senate and by a bi-partisan 343–86 vote in the House of Representatives. After passing both the Senate and House the bill was moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. The final bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90–8 (one not voting) and in the House: 362–57 (15 not voting). The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.

The banking industry had been seeking the repeal of Glass–Steagall since at least the 1980s

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-17 12:29:15

Thats just it Hwy ,Investment firms and Banks just never liked being limited in the money making games with leverage capped and all that. .
They figured out what went wrong after the Stock Market crash in 1929 and created Glass-Steagall .Why any body of Politicians would of been stupid enough to repeal it is beyond me and I have gone back and read the vocal opponents to the repeal of the Bill at the time and also have read the major pushers of the repeal
statements at the time .

At the time Glass -Steagall prevented a big merger that a Bank and a Insurance Company (Travelers Ins.) wanted to do . They almost used that as a excuse for the merits of the repeal . As it has turned out different industries have gotten in bed with each other and just created more risk ,the very thing that the lawmakers during the Great Depression sought to protect against by drafting Glass-Steagall to begin with . Look at the Insurance Company bets of AIG .

But ,a big crime was the false marketing of the risks of these
CDO’s by the very ratings of them being AAA . Why do Investment Firms get to get away with such a false rating ? These securities were so far from being AAA paper that it had to be some kind of a joke that they could be rated this way .

 
 
Comment by rms
2010-03-17 12:59:48

“How much more evidence of a financial coup and the THEFT of TRILLIONS of DOLLARS do we need before the media and our politicians do something, anything, to restore a rule of law in this nation? What is it going to take?

The final solution?

Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-17 14:49:53

History shows that, unfortunately, this is the recurring answer.

 
 
Comment by oxide
2010-03-17 13:48:28

What is it going to take?

Publicly funded elections.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-17 14:02:10

Yup oxide ALL parties represented even socialists and commies right to lifers and prostitutes.

Everybody in the 1st debate then the top7 top 5 and lastly the top3 never less then 3 in any congressional, state or presidential debate..

But if someone wanted to spend all their own money …well let them do it. No pacs no fundraiser dinners nothing…its all the same amount for each candidate.

Then let the SHTF.

 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-17 14:15:53

It first takes exposure of the crimes and the ways of Wall Street . The bailouts prevented a lot of discovery of the crimes at the time . Truth keeps seeping out after the fact however ,and everybody smells a rat .

The final solution ?

In my view Justice has to prevail and than a serious overhaul of systems rather than cover-ups and PR campaigns hiding the profit motive ,stealing ,crimes ,monopolies ,and how anti-productive it is to a society to allow crooked capitalism .

A quote from one Rios article posted .

” If you have a society where it becomes foolish not to steal,than only fools don’t steal,and that society has not much of a future “

Comment by RioAmericanInBrasil
2010-03-17 15:48:06

” If you have a society where it becomes foolish not to steal,than only fools don’t steal,and that society has not much of a future “

This quote gets to the heart of why I don’t blame the FB’s MORE than I blame the banks and the corrupt system.

Right now I’m living in a country that America is becoming in relation to the above quote, and believe me, entrenched corruption takes a toll on the soul of people.

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Comment by CA renter
2010-03-18 04:33:56

Amen, Rio.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-17 08:13:33

The scumballs just wont quit at $hi**tybank

I just looked at my CC and my payment is due on March 21…..a Sunday!

I guess if it gets credited on Monday Sh*tty can say its late….and jack up your interest…nice

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-03-17 08:41:34

What is this CC thing of which you write? Is that one of those credit card thingies?

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-17 08:52:46

Yup….but still How many are going to get snared into this? Don’t worry I’m not maxed out or even close….

I had s*i*ty pull this a few years back it was due i think on presidents day when the bank was closed.

 
Comment by measton
2010-03-17 09:20:48

What is this CC thing of which you write? Is that one of those credit card thingies

Bingo, I’m paying cash now for as much as possible and using on line bill pay for most of the rest. My cash is in credit unions and local banks. And when the time comes I’ll use it buy a house that the Fed gov so far hasn’t taxed. I’ll drive an electric car or bike, and use solar panels for the same reasons.

Comment by polly
2010-03-17 09:53:15

Used cash on Monday to buy two lamps (discontinued style) from an FB found through Craig’s list. She was then going to use her tax return money to buy 4 matching lamps (remember the other ones were a discontinued style) from the same company’s higher end line.

All this by a woman who had purchsed a tiny studio condo in 2007. Now she and her new husband are living in this miniscule space (250 square feet at a guess, maybe less) and just “can’t” sell because of the market.

In addition, she didn’t know what the diameter of a circle was called, had never heard of a three way light switch, and didn’t know that lamps have stickers on the sockets to tell you the maximum wattage of bulb to use.

I dropped $50 took the goods and ran. That kind of stupid has got to be catching.

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Comment by MrBubble
2010-03-17 13:24:54

“she didn’t know what the diameter of a circle was called”

What do you call it? The longest chord? :smile:

 
Comment by polly
2010-03-17 16:00:52

She told me the “circumference” of the shade on a floor lamp was 13 inches. I questioned the use of the word circumference. She said she wasn’t sure what it was called. I suggested diameter. She still wasn’t sure. I then told her that circumference was all the way around the edge of the circle and diameter was from one side to the other through the center. She got it, but I wouldn’t bet she can remember it now.

 
Comment by packman
2010-03-17 19:20:38

Circumference - isn’t that a big annual boondoggle where a bunch of mohels get together to find out the latest thing in their trade?

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-17 09:56:45

I hear ya on the not using credit cards. And that meme seems to be spreading.

Case in point: I recently registered for an all-day event at the University of Arizona. After entering my name/address/phone number info, I was taken to the checkout page. Where I was given the address to which I could send my check.

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Comment by Shizo
2010-03-17 10:41:00

+1
You are a person after my own heart… don’t let the word get out or “they” will find a way to tax your efforts to try to reduce your tax liabilities!

I carry $0 credit card debt (just use them as an insurance clause in case I may need a charge back due to rip off) and pay it off the next business day- They must REALLY hate me.

CRAIGSLIST.ORG! Quit paying taxes and buy used when you can… I have saved many $$ in both initial cost and sales tax. If you are a fix-it-yourselfer you can get incredible deals! I picked up a $2500 front loading wash/dryer Kenmore He5t set w/ an issue, dryer worked fine- washer was binking a code and would quit after filling w/ water… $380! Cost to fix? $40 part and 30 minutes of tinkering. My wife still thanks me for the upgrade to this day. Sold the old cruddy set for $150!

I think I’m getting addicted to saving $ on stuff I need (not want) too bad gun sales are not allowed.

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Comment by measton
2010-03-17 11:47:09

Just using the card gives them money from the merchant. If you really want to cut them out of the loop pay cash.

 
 
 
Comment by Dave of the North
2010-03-17 09:43:28

We have a Sears card - they recently converted it to Sears Mastercard. They are very slow at crediting a payment (paymnet done on line through my bank) and very quick at tacking on interest charges. I don’t carry a balance i.e. I pay my balance in full each month, but their behaviour is making it certain I will never use the card again. Since Sears takes debit now I don’t have to use it.

 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-03-17 09:18:44

Pay it online?

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-17 12:44:21

Then it gets credited the next business day……maybe

But walk in to any Sh***ty bank and hand the teller CASH and it gets credited to your card on the spot…handy to know in an emergency

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Pay it online?

 
Comment by packman
2010-03-17 12:55:13

The internet’s closed on Sunday - isn’t it?

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-17 14:04:46

NOT a business day….you lose….you get chagred late fees and a 29.9% default rate

see they found a loophole….

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Comment by sleepless_near_seattle
2010-03-17 14:04:32

Pay it online…3 days in advance?

While I think it’s underhanded what Citi’s doing it’s not like there isn’t a workaround…

 
 
 
Comment by Zeus Matuze
2010-03-17 08:24:51

I see the political tektonic intersecting of Pelosi/Obama backroom-style “governing” with the States Rights movement.We’ll soon find out if the USA is TBTF.

We are living in interesting times.

Comment by NYCityBoy
2010-03-17 08:43:15

The only thing keeping the Goliath of the Federal Government growing is a printing press. If that blows a gasket the states will be fighting a much smaller beast. As long as Benny can fork over voodoo dollars these high priests and priestesses of the voodoo economy will continue to think they are all powerful.

Comment by basura
2010-03-17 09:37:43

You are right about that. Also the states have been giving their rights to FedGovt for handouts for a long time. Will take a long time for that mindset to change. As long as Dollar is considered a significant Reserve currency, states will accept the handouts and keep quiet.

Comment by polly
2010-03-17 10:06:50

“states have been giving their rights to FedGovt for handouts for a long time”

But the flip side of that is the states expect to receive a substantial gift in return for agreeing to national standards. If the Federal government can’t save them from near collapse (and I still say that I don’t think they will go down that road very far - since you can’t bail out CA while telling all the others to take care of themselves, you can’t really bail out CA in the first place), why should they agree to anything? If there is more money to be made by reducing the drinking age to 18 and the federal government isn’t giving out big bucks in the highway fund to get the states to keep it higher, why do it?

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Comment by Zeus Matuze
2010-03-17 20:29:39

“Also the states have been giving their rights to FedGovt for handouts for a long time. ”
My State, Idaho, started to be skeptical of the D.istinctly C.orrupt cesspoolititians since long before they introduced canadian wolves and grizzlies into our State. Today, our Gov told Obama’s New Soviets that it is against the 10th amendment for them to FORCE Idahoans to buy sloppy seconds insurance.
As to “national standards”… we have standards that are working?

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-17 14:55:29

You really, really don’t want to live in a country without national standards.

 
 
Comment by mikeinbend
2010-03-17 08:36:43

Professor Bear told yesterday something about Michael Lewis, author of “Liar’s Poker”.”The Big Short” is a new book by Michael Lewis; it is about how small insiders, smelling something fishy, helped prod investment banks like GS to get AIG into the market of selling counter party risk insurance policies for the subprime mortgage market; called Credit Default Swaps.

CDSs had existed before, but March thru May of 2005, they were offered tied to MBS and subprime for the first time, according to Lewis in the NPR interview. This was a move that was instigated by the help one small investor who was prodding the investment banks to provide a way to bet against subprime. AIG sold these CDS’s in subprime to GS, who then sold them at a markup to this investor, while investing in them themselves.

Credit Default Swaps actually double the risk out there, according to Lewis as they somehow insure against failing of financial instruments. So when the securities fail, people from the investment bank are out the money, and the insurance policies written by AIG, for one, called CDS also have to pay out similar money.

I don’t really understand beyond the superficial, but AIG wanted in on writing CDS policies on the subprime mortgage market and its bundled securities(MBS). These had not been offered on subprime before, but the prodding by one investor was instrumental in getting them written by the ilk of AIG, sold to GS, then resold to this small investor at 10x markup, according to Lewis in a NPR interview yesterday.in the subprime mortgage market before the urging of one of the small investors involved in this book.
Another two men started a hedge fund from their garage, turning 100k into 120 million.

Although they made a mint shorting, and they tried to whistle blow but were ignored, and are all now suffering from various physical and mental ailments varying from heart problems, anxiety and panic issues.

These three letter words are the new four letter words, I guess I gotta understand to understant today’s system properly.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 09:01:22

Propaganda or not, you have to admit this is entertaining…

Michael Lewis, ‘The Big Short’ Author, On Jon Stewart: How A One-Eyed Man Bet Against Wall Street (VIDEO)

Comment by mikeinbend
2010-03-17 11:15:51

Sorry Ben I did not realize you also posted about this. You obviously know alot more than I do. I do know that every quarter has two sides, and people, by nature, only show you side they like and only through digging deeper can you find what the opposing side shows.

Two sides to every story. Not everything on NPR is “spin” free. Maybe you could go on the show, and illuminate the other side of the coin for us unenlightened, admittedly hopelessly uneducated in matters of high finance(I never understood stocks or bonds, so have stuck with real estate, knowing at least that it has some intrinsic value; i.e. you can live in it). I for one would like to understand these issues face value.

At least will Bill O’Reilly, “the spin stops here” (joke)

Comment by Bronco
2010-03-17 11:29:22

“Not everything on NPR is “spin” free.”

MOST things on NPR have spin… it is no different than any other media output in that respect.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 11:49:32

The NAR is a major NPR contributor. Nuff said…

 
 
 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-17 16:37:08

Credit Default Swaps is just a way to short risky mortgages.

Everyone (except you) thinks property prices will rise forever. So, based on forever-rising prices, everyone (except you) thinks home owners will always be able to re-fi forever, and avoid default.
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You think property prices will level out or fall. And you think lots of mortgages will default.
So, you buy insurance on a batch of crap-mortgages. (a CDS)

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As with car insurance, you pay money up front.. a premium. Lets say your car insurance costs you $1,000 a year. If you have no accidents during that year, you lose that $1,000 insurance premium money you paid.

But suppose you have an accident? That $1,000 might potentially be worth $250,000 or $500,000 or more. (Paid out in medical, property costs, etc..) That’s money paid out by the insurance company, resulting from your $1,000 investment.
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CDS works just like that. You might pay a premium of $10,000 cash upfront to insure the “safety” of $1,000,000 worth of mortgage loans for a one year period.

If some or all of those loans lose value or even default, the insurance company backing them (Like AIG, which sold lots of these policies) pays you however much money was lost in the mortgages’ value.

You have shorted mortgages. You found a way to bet that they will fail.
However, if you moved too early, and a year goes by and property prices are still rising, or for some other reason people are able to continue paying their mortgages, your $10,000 is gone…
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Now.. why would AIG and others risk huge money in SELLING lots of these “insurance policies”? They did it for the immediate income (your $10,000 up-front money) and because they believed property prices would rise and that the mortgages were safe. Few people bought CDS. The few that bought were housing BEARS.

Housing bears that bought CDS made money IF they timed things correctly. Some bought CDS, like in 2005, but the market remained stable. They lost their premium, became disillusioned, and closed their positions.
Some timed it correctly, and bought soon before the market tumbled… and some of those made $$billions.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 09:04:48

Sounds like Adibi missed the memo that San Diego’s unemployment rate just bounced up to 11 percent?

The fact that the rate at which homes are selling is unchanged over the past two Februarys seems telling…

Home prices up for 6-county region
Southern California still sees sluggish sales

Originally published March 16, 2010 at 12:22 p.m., updated March 16, 2010 at 10:29 p.m.

Led by San Diego County, Southern California home prices rose in February even as sales stagnated, MDA DataQuick reported yesterday.

The median for the six-county region rose 1.5 percent from January to $275,000, with San Diego up the most, 5.6 percent, to $322,000 as earlier reported. On a year-over-year basis, the regional increase was 10 percent, with San Diego up by 13 percent.

Sales totaled 15,361, two fewer transactions than in January and 0.8 percent higher than in February 2009. Some real estate analysts called the sluggish sales a reflection of the relatively low inventory of homes on the market.

Economists interpreted the numbers as a sign that the market is shifting from domination by low-end, foreclosure sales to one with more higher-priced but discounted sales of move-up homes.

“I don’t believe a single home has appreciated by 10 percent over this time,” said Esmael Adibi at the Gary Anderson Center for Economic Research at Chapman University in Orange. “It’s due mostly to changes in the mix.”

Adibi said the starter-home market, generally below the median in any area, has largely reached bottom and is stabilizing. The top end is losing value as owners, suffering from job losses and investment reversals, sell for less than they had hoped.

“Anything above the median and the farther away you go, the more the problem,” Adibi said. “The reason is because potential buyers of relatively expensive homes are absent. Who’s going to buy a million-dollar home? They’re usually self-employed, and their profits and revenues are under pressure, or they’re CEOs, officers of big companies, and bonuses and raises are not there.”

He forecast an overall increase in the median for this year at 5 percent but a decline of around 10 percent for the $1 million-plus market. Adibi said he advised his daughter to buy a median-priced home in Orange County if she plans to stay there for seven years.

“But if somebody wants to buy something expensive, a $1 million to $2 million home, I’d tell them to wait. It’s premature,” he said. “As you go from $350,000 to $2 million, your knees should start shaking more.”

Adibi based his predictions on an end to job losses by midyear with job gains in a few sectors thereafter. Prices could rise more if employment recovers sooner, but, he said, “I very much doubt that, based on what I see.”

Adibi said San Diego seems to be ahead of the rest of Southern California, in that it hit bottom first — the cyclical median low of $280,000 occurred in January 2009.

San Diego is the first one coming out; it hit bottom first,” he said, and job losses aren’t as bad as elsewhere in the region. “San Diego fared better than anyone else in the recession.”

Comment by cactus
2010-03-17 13:30:40

“San Diego is the first one coming out; it hit bottom first,” he said, and job losses aren’t as bad as elsewhere in the region. “San Diego fared better than anyone else in the recession.”

its different here you know that and as long as the state keeps giving nice saleries to its work force they will continue to live large plus CA has one of the best economies in the world with little debt …

 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-03-17 13:54:54

“San Diego is the first one coming out; it hit bottom first,” he said, and job losses aren’t as bad as elsewhere in the region. “San Diego fared better than anyone else in the recession.”

That’s B.S. People who’ve had jobs for a long time are losing them now and those that haven’t been able to find work still can’t. If San Diego is faring better than the rest of the state, than the rest of the state must be in a Dust Bowl depression.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 14:02:58

Agreed; I can vouch for friends of ours who have already been out of work for over a year and have had no luck finding anything.

Comment by combotechie
2010-03-17 18:15:57

Over a year, eh. This is a good sign; If one is unemployed long enough he drops off the unemployment stats and thus helps the government with its numbers.

In this age of the quant it’s all about the numbers. If the numbers show that your friend is not unemployed then logic says he must be working.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 22:06:37

Does Professor Hamilton not see through the sham announcements that these programs or ending? Or does he simply not realize that Uncle Sam is highly likely to put something of commensurate stimulus impact in place of them? Such as a massive flood of mortgage money through the zombie GSEs, whose budget caps were eliminated on 24 Dec 2009?

James Hamilton, economist at the University of California San Diego, said the housing market is likely to be affected by three factors in coming months: the end this month to the $8,000 first-time home buyer and $6,500 move-up home buyer federal tax credits; continued foreclosures that will lead to more discounted property listings; and the end this month to the Federal Reserve’s purchase of mortgage-backed securities, a policy the Fed reiterated yesterday.

“I’m not on board saying it’s all over, it’s all behind us,” Hamilton said of the general housing woes that began in 2007. “I think there are still some concerns. It’s hard for me to know which way things are going to from here.”

Hamilton thought interest rates, now around 5 percent for 30-year, fixed-rate mortgages, are likely to rise less than a half-percentage point because of the Fed’s policy.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 22:28:16

are ending (sheesh!)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 22:40:41

I agree with real estate shill John Walsh’s assertion that “the stars won’t line up this way for years.” What I can’t see is the clear evidence which he appears to see that home prices are only headed up from here. In fact, all the evidence presented below suggests to me a direction of ongoing downward movement in prices for the next several years. What am I missing that he thinks he sees?

So far as ARMs coming back some time soon, good luck with that in an environment where rates only can go up from here on out.

And this line sure jumped out at me:

“Jumbo mortgages — loans for more than $417,000 — accounted for 14.8 percent of the total, compared with a 40 percent market share before the housing decline.”

- The flip side of that: 85.2 percent of total San Diego County February sales were financed with loans below $417,000.

- The high end of the San Diego County market is dead in the water.

- Falling prices on the high end will put crushing pressure on the low end of the market going forward.


DataQuick President John Walsh said in a statement that various factors show a “less lopsided” market because more higher-priced homes are selling, even at a discount.

“But before a real rebalancing occurs, adjustable-rate and jumbo mortgages need to come back,” Walsh said.

ARMs represented 4 percent of purchase mortgages in February, less than one-tenth of the 44.8 percent average since 2000. Jumbo mortgages — loans for more than $417,000 — accounted for 14.8 percent of the total, compared with a 40 percent market share before the housing decline.

Other Southern California indicators last month:

•Foreclosure sales accounted for 42.3 percent of the resale market, below last year’s peak but several times the norm.

Federal Housing Administration-insured loans accounted for 38.5 percent, compared with 0.6 percent three years ago, an indicator of how shaky home financing remains.

•All-cash buyers represented 18.9 percent of the market, down from 29.7 percent in January when investors dominated, but still above the 13.8 percent average going back 22 years.

Flipping rates — reselling the same home between three weeks and six months after purchase — stood at 3.4 percent, more than double year-ago levels of 1.6 percent, another sign of high investor participation in the market.

•The typical monthly mortgage payment was $1,180, up from $1,172 in January and $1,114 a year earlier but 56.6 percent below the current cycle’s peak in July 2007.

Putting all these factors together, Walsh said home buying may not remain so favorable for long.

“It’s possible the stars won’t line up this way again for many years,” he said. “With prices and mortgage interest rates this low, the cost of ownership is about as low as we’ve seen it in decades.”

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-03-18 04:49:09

“San Diego is the first one coming out; it hit bottom first,” he said, and job losses aren’t as bad as elsewhere in the region. “San Diego fared better than anyone else in the recession.”
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I’m calling hogwash on this. It’s not different in San Diego. Yes, we were ahead of the pack during the bubble and the initial stages of the bubble’s bursting, but prices have stabilized EVERYWHERE relative to what they’d be like without all the govt interference.

This market is 100% govt-driven (official and unofficial foreclosure moratoriums, the govt/Fed being the entire mortgage market, banks having their losses mitigated by the Fed/govt, the $8,000 tax credit — and $10,00 tax credit for new homes in California, etc.). Anyone who ignores that fact does so at his/her own peril.

Oh sure, it’s all daisies and roses out there, folks! Step right up and buy yourself a house.

 
 
Comment by seenitall
2010-03-17 09:11:21

Does anyone have the “alternative” consumer demand indicator that was posted here a few days ago?

I looked for the link but couldn’t find it.

I like that ceridian diesel consumption indicator but this other one tracked sales using a methodology different from us statistics.

 
Comment by measton
2010-03-17 09:27:12

March 17 (Bloomberg) — Wholesale prices in the U.S. fell in February more than anticipated, led by a drop in fuel costs and signaling there are few inflation pressures building in the early stages of the economic recovery.

The 0.6 percent decrease in prices paid to factories, farmers and other producers was the biggest since July and followed a 1.4 percent January increase, according to figures from the Labor Department in Washington. Excluding food and fuel, so-called core prices climbed 0.1 percent.

Companies will probably continue to hold the line on prices as the expansion has yet to soak up enough excess capacity or create jobs. The report bears out forecasts by Federal Reserve policy makers, who yesterday retained a pledge to keep the main interest rate near zero for an “extended period,” and said “inflation is likely to be subdued for some time.”

“Disinflation is going to be with us for a while,” Julia Coronado, a senior U.S. economist at BNP Paribas in New York, said in a Bloomberg Radio interview. “That’s going to allow the Fed to stay on hold for a lot longer than the market is expecting.”

Comment by In Colorado
2010-03-17 10:13:45

led by a drop in fuel costs

Say what? Gas went up to 2.60 in my neck of the woods and has been holding steady for weeks now.

Comment by WHYoung
2010-03-17 13:36:48

Just paid $2.95 for regular in Queens NY.

Comment by SDGreg
2010-03-17 13:56:59

Paid $2.96 in RB last night. It’s most been running between $2.85 and $2.95 the past couple of months, so it’s currently at the high end of that range.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-17 14:58:38

Who ARE those morons?!

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-03-17 09:30:47

– Harvard University Professor Martin Feldstein, who warned almost two decades ago that the euro would prove an “economic liability,” said Greece’s austerity plan will fail and the country may quit the single currency to fix its fiscal crisis.

Under pressure from investors and fellow policy makers, Prime Minister George Papandreou’s government is striving to knock four percentage points off its budget gap this year from 12.7 percent of gross domestic product and has vowed to meet the EU’s 3 percent limit in 2012 for the first time since 2006.

“The idea that Greece can go from a 12 percent deficit now to a 3 percent deficit two years from now seems fantasy,” Feldstein, an adviser to U.S. presidents since Ronald Reagan, said in a March 13 interview in Geneva. “The alternatives are to default in some way or to leave, or both.”

His diagnosis clashes with that of European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet, who calls Greece’s strategy “convincing” and rejects as “absurd” any speculation it might leave the euro zone. Investors nevertheless aren’t ruling out Feldstein’s analysis. Billionaire George Soros said last month that the euro “may not survive,” and credit default swaps indicate a 22 percent chance Greece will default within five years, up from 16 percent a year ago.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 12:53:50

“The idea that Greece can go from a 12 percent deficit now to a 3 percent deficit two years from now seems fantasy,”

In other words, business as usual for sovereign debt authorities…

 
 
Comment by measton
2010-03-17 09:41:56

The future of medicine

March 16 (Bloomberg) — The rising cost of cancer research and care, which helped reduce death rates by 16 percent over 40 years, is straining the U.S. health system and needs to be restrained, commentators said in a special edition of the Journal of the American Medical Association.

Cancer research has cost the U.S. government $100 billion since 1971 and the price of care, accounting for inflation, has more than doubled to $90 billion since 1990, according to six journal reports that raise key questions about the past and future success of the U.S. “War on Cancer,” announced by then- President Richard Nixon in 1971.

The reduced death rates result from anti-smoking campaigns, early disease detection and new drugs, led by Roche Holding AG’s Avastin and Eli Lilly & Co.’s Erbitux, which can cost individual patients as much as $100,000 a year. The price of the drugs, and the care tied to their use, can be lowered by shifting to a system in which the cost of drugs, tests and other care are combined in a single provider payment, researchers said.

Such a system would push doctors to “shop carefully for the services” patients need, wrote the researchers from the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York, led by Elena Elkin in a commentary that was among those included in the special issue. “The expanding financial burden of cancer” including rising incidence rates “cannot be ignored,” the authors wrote.

The Sloan-Kettering researchers also suggested in their commentary that doctors and hospitals should be grouped into accountable-care organizations. That would nudge physicians to act more cohesively, and could be rewarded by payers for providing care that delivers good results.

Or, rather than putting individual hospitals in charge and giving them incentives to not treat patients (ie a capped rate per dx), we should have a national health plan that will only allow treatments that have a certain cost benefit ratio. Then if you want more you buy a private plan or enroll in a study to see if an unproven treatment works.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-17 10:00:24

Then if you want more you buy a private plan or enroll in a study to see if an unproven treatment works.

Personally, I would jump at the chance to be part of a national health plan that would include opportunities to be part of studies focusing on yet-unproven treatments.

Reason: There’s a history of cancer in my family. Ditto for deafness and Alzheimer’s. I have more than a passing interest in seeing cures developed for these things. Or, better yet, methods of preventing them.

 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-03-17 11:09:42

“Cancer research has cost the U.S. government $100 billion since 1971 ”
Outrageous! Think about all the wars we could have fought with that money and all the bankers we could have bailed out. Let’s quit wasting money on research and allocate it where it is needed most.

Comment by measton
2010-03-17 11:36:00

It puts things in perspective right

Iraq war 1 trillion
Afghanastan ????????
Bailout 1trillion plus

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-03-18 04:56:20

+1

It’s odd how we never have enough money for healthcare or education, but money seems to just pour out of the sky where the military and banks are concerned.

 
 
Comment by james
2010-03-17 11:45:57

I wonder how much death rates have really declined?

You get better detection so find cancer in earlier stages. Go off in some treatment and the person lives three years from detection.

Old way, cancer was detected two years later and died after one year.

I wonder if this is happening?

Anyhow, this is about as good a thing we can invest our efforts into. Not like we are having shortages.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-17 12:49:43

Finally…I have said this for years and this is a major factor in why pensions are going bankrupt. Everybody underestimated how many fewer people will die and how many more years they will collect….OOPS!

The reduced death rates result from anti-smoking campaigns

Comment by packman
2010-03-17 13:02:56

So that leads to only one conclusion/solution - right?

:)

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-18 19:57:11

Yup bring back cig advertising on tv and Joe Camel…kids need to do something else with their hands other then the gameboy…

You don’t think they would cut bennies….nahhhhhhhhhh

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Comment by LehighValleyGuy
2010-03-17 13:49:06

we should have a national health plan that will only allow treatments that have a certain cost benefit ratio.

And what is this ratio going to be?

Comment by packman
2010-03-17 14:30:56

I’m also curious as to how “benefit” is defined.

I can see it now.

“Well Mr. Smith - that procedure will cost $10,000, and we estimate it’ll only add 6 months to your life. Sorry, but that’s beyond the government’s cost/benefit ratio allowance. So - no go. See our front desk though - there’s a tax rebate going on right now on caskets!”

Comment by measton
2010-03-17 19:50:27

packman this happens already, I don’t know what your posting about. Again in my system you are always free to get private insurance.

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Comment by packman
2010-03-17 19:55:39

Certainly. Problem is that an ever-growing segment of the population simply cannot afford private insurance, and has to use government provision.

Why can’t they afford it? Largely because of high taxes and inflation, to pay for things like… government-funded health care.

 
 
 
Comment by measton
2010-03-17 19:48:30

We have rationing already for people without insurance. Even for people with insurance who loose their job, or use up all the benefits, or can’t afford the copay. Thus the rationing is not based on any efficacy analysis.

In my system people are free to get private insurance to pay for these things.

You ask what is the cost benefit ratio going to be. Simple, just tell me how much money we are going to spend. Then I’ll tell you what the ratio should be. The gov will post a list of procedures and drugs they won’t pay for and why. You can decide if you want a private insurance plan based on that.

In my system the gov would
Stop paying for most antidepressants which for the majority appear no better than placebo.
Stop paying for many orthopoedic procedures that have been shown to be no better than sham operations.
STop paying for many cardiac stents that haven’t been shown to be effective in many situations.
STop paying for much of the chemotherapy that is given that produces minimal benefit.

You can still get these things if you buy a suplemental plan or want to pay out of pocket. YOu can also get treatments that are untested by joining a study.

There would be a medical board that you could appeal your case to and submit scientific data that you feel they missed.

Take a look at what’s being proposed now. Many on the otherside are proposing we give MD’s and hospital systems a financial incentive not to tx you. Is this a better system?? Hell this scares the hell out of me.

 
 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-17 10:19:58

Cancer …..The surgeon recommends surgery …the chemo doctor recommends chemo…the radiologist recommends radiation …the herbalist recommends herbs ……the drug companies recommend
hormone treatment …the insurance companies recommend no treatment
and stall .

But I think that they have come a long way with Cancer treatment in some regards because I know lots of people who have beaten one form of cancer or another . I would like to see them actually come up with a “cure” that would actually reduce the price of treating cancer …a magic pill that just destroys it for good …is that to much to ask ?

Comment by james
2010-03-17 11:50:39

Sadly yes.

Same thing with protesters demanding a cure for AIDS back when that big epidemic came through.

Like demanding any kind of technology change. Takes effort, work, luck exc.

People seem to have this idea that we can demand inventions from somewhere.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-17 12:52:22

The best “cure” was monogamy, but so many clueless people didn’t want to support gay marriage…..and still don’t

Same thing with protesters demanding a cure for AIDS back when that big epidemic came through

Comment by Chris M
2010-03-17 13:33:12

So gay couples chose not to be monogamous, only because they couldn’t get a certificate from the government?

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-17 16:51:14

Chris:

we never had the guts as Americans to give it a chance to work.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-03-17 18:07:54

Just as straight couples with government certificates don’t necessairly choose to be monogamous.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-03-17 12:01:59

Such a pill would put the chemo doctor, the radiologist, and the herbalist out of business, and dent the revenues of the drug companies.

Comment by measton
2010-03-17 19:51:43

and how much would it make for the inventor of the pill? I don’t get your point kim.

Comment by CA renter
2010-03-18 05:02:09

If that pill can’t be patented (or isn’t profitable for some reason), few entities will try to use it to cure cancer. That’s the downside of a capitalist, for-profit healthcare system.

Better yet, let’s find more ways to PREVENT cancer (ever wonder what all those wifi signals are doing as they travel through your body?). Unfortunately, nobody would get rich that way, so we’ll probably never see real cancer prevention.

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Comment by packman
2010-03-17 19:59:22

Such a pill would put the chemo doctor, the radiologist, and the herbalist out of business, and dent the revenues of the drug companies.

That would be an awesome, awesome thing.

Or did you mean that in a negative way? If so - would you like then perhaps for more murders to be committed, in order to promote the business of death-row guards and gas-chamber manufacturers? Same principle.

Comment by packman
2010-03-17 20:00:44

OK - just after I hit “send” I realize that that was a stupid post. Obviously you were being facetious - my apologies.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-17 15:04:35

A Cervical Cancer vaccine has been approved and distributed.

A metastatic prostate cancer vaccine has been successfully tested.

We’re getting closer all the time.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 11:17:28

This is the first article on the foreclosure crisis I have seen which invokes Kafka.

March 17, 2010, 12:08 p.m. EDT

One family’s nightmare struggle to keep their home
Banks say they’ll modify loans, but even needy families don’t always get help

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By Alain Sherter

This is the first part in a two-part series.

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Marianne Gentry, 66, lives with her disabled husband and desperately ill son. And they’re about to get kicked out of their home.

Gentry, a customer-service representative for Home Depot, faces foreclosure on the four-bedroom house in Fountain Valley, Calif., that her family has occupied since 1996.

Their lender, OneWest Bank, denied the Gentrys’ application to have their mortgage altered through the Home Affordable Modification Program, under which the federal government effectively pays banks to help keep people in their homes. They were given until March 9 to clear out. Read more about HAMP.

If Marianne Gentry’s calamitous personal circumstances are unusual, her experience trying to save her home is anything but. Indeed, such stories often have a depressing sameness: bewildered borrowers; a Kafkaesque loan-modification process; indifferent or even hostile lenders.

In 2009, 2.8 million homeowners lost their properties in foreclosure, according to market research firm RealtyTrac. Millions more face the same fate this year. Nationwide, one in four borrowers owes more on their home than it’s worth, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association.

Comment by Rental Watch
2010-03-17 16:06:10

I have a question for people on “shadow inventory”. Where is this data coming from?

I am looking at a report that notes, consistent with Realty Trac, that approximately 2.8MM homes started down the foreclosure path in 2009.

However, this report notes that only approximately 1MM foreclosure sales were actually completed.

Is this the ~2MM of shadow inventory that people keep referring to?

Where do loan modifications fit in? In 2009, there were approximately 1MM modifications completed.

Where do repayment plans fit in? In 2009, there were approximately 2MM repayment plans started.

I generally have the same impression that other folks have (that banks are withholding inventory), but I have only seen bits and pieces of data from various places upon which conclusions are drawn, and I’m not sure how loan modifications are dealt with when doing the analysis.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 16:43:46

“Where is this data coming from?”

If you find a publicly available source, please share. I don’t have it. But I do try to make coherent sense out of various bits of data which do come my way. For instance,

- I recently read that San Diego foreclosure and default notices recently went out at a rate of 5,399 a month (don’t recall whether this was January or February 2010).

- Just today I read that San Diego home sales (new and used) were 2,464 in February 2010, much lower than the recent count of foreclosure and default notices and lower than the February 2009 level of 2,473, despite nice weather here in February this year plus stimulus (e.g., low interest rates, federally guaranteed FHA loans and $8K tax credit, to name a few).

- This morning I read an MSM article that suggested 1 out of 4 American mortgages is underwater; that number just has to be lots higher in Coastal CA than in Stillwater, OK.

- I notice around town that builders have fired back up their bulldozers and other construction equipment, and have posted signs on lots where green shoots of new home construction are cranking up again that say “New Homes from the $700Ks” and such.

- High end homes just sit on the market indefinitely; I am talking like over a year in many cases.

The points above somehow add up tin my mind to a large and growing shadow inventory of homes that will hit the market in San Diego over the next several years, but I confess that I don’t have a good way to quantify this.

Comment by Rental Watch
2010-03-17 16:56:34

I’m just re-reading a report from T2 Partners (do a web search). It is a 200 page behemoth of a report on the housing mess.

Interesting read, lots of good data. The base conclusion that I am beginning to form is this:

Low end homes are farther along in the process than high end homes. The overall process has a ways to go, but there will be spotty recovery for lower priced segments long before higher priced homes.

They note in the report that in CA there is approximately 2 months of inventory in the sub $300k price segment, and about a year and a half at the $1MM and above segment–the trend in between is quite predictable.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-03-17 17:29:54

Rental Watch
Thanks for the one up on the T2 Partner analysis on the housing/finance bubble.

I am so sick of this mess. We sold a long time ago, and just want a sensible one-story toe tag home. (Until death do we part.)Now the REO flipping, FHA subprime, and $8,000 credit is screwing us up. All we want in an entry point. BTW, for most of us average folks, it’s 10% of the purchase price, with an $8,000 cap. In our area of So Ca, a home that should be $350K is still close to $450K-$500K. Still overpriced. (At the peak $800K)

 
Comment by packman
2010-03-17 19:13:54

That T2 report is indeed an awesome big-picture report on the housing bubble and current situation. It’s updated occasionally - an earlier version came out a year or two ago I remember. Not sure if it’s an annual update or not.

At the time (October last year was the latest) they estimated 3.6 million units as shadow inventory, which is about 7 months worth. (Historic average is around 4-5 months’ worth)

The also projected prices to bottom in mid 2010. Unless some other kind of big program comes along to take the place of the Fed MBS purchases and the $8k tax credit - I think mid 2010 is very, very optimistic.

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-03-18 05:08:03

I am so sick of this mess. We sold a long time ago, and just want a sensible one-story toe tag home. (Until death do we part.)Now the REO flipping, FHA subprime, and $8,000 credit is screwing us up. All we want in an entry point. BTW, for most of us average folks, it’s 10% of the purchase price, with an $8,000 cap. In our area of So Ca, a home that should be $350K is still close to $450K-$500K. Still overpriced. (At the peak $800K)
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We very much share your frustration and have a similar experience (sold in the up market and rented while waiting to buy a “final” home). I am getting especially sick and tired of the flippers — REO, regular sale, bulk/behind-closed-door deals, etc.

 
 
 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-17 17:04:06

To me, shadow inventory includes homes owned by people who want to sell, but have decided to wait.
These people are completely unseen.. haven’t mentioned their desire to sell.. haven’t missed a payment.. haven’t been included in any statistics… data hasn’t been compiled.. but they would sell in a heartbeat if they could. I’ll guestimate their number at half (50%) of today’s FBs.

Assuming property appreciation was one important criteria of perhaps 95% of all recent home buyers, and since 95% of those homes are now worth less that what was paid for them, (95% x 95% x 50% = 45%) I’d feel good about guessing that 45% of recently purchased homes could be considered hidden inventory… or at least potential inventory.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 21:46:38

“To me, shadow inventory includes homes owned by people who want to sell, but have decided to wait.”

I agree. And I would add that if you include this group in the others I often mention as belonging to shadow inventory, then you are describing a housing market suffering from severe constipation. When enematic forces finally release the blockage, watch out below for the sh!t flood of inventory. I expect this to occur some time between now and 2015, but otherwise have no idea when.

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Comment by Rental Watch
2010-03-18 10:24:50

I don’t necessarily agree.

I think we need to distinguish between empty houses, and occupied houses.

If my parents want to sell the house they live in, but don’t want to sell at current prices, once they DO put it on the market, they add one house to supply, but at the same time, they are searching the market to buy a house, adding one to demand. This is a net add to supply of 0.

If, on the other hand, a bank is holding a house empty as REO, or an investor is holding an empty house, and is looking to put it onto the market, this adds one to supply, with no corresponding add to demand. This is a net add to supply of 1.

The first is a game of musical chairs, with prices only effected by people’s psychology and ability to hold on/pay a mortgage (after taking into account real equity to be moved to a new home). My parents for one, are debt free, and looking to sell their house in the next year or two. While they care about price, they don’t care too much…it’s shelter, trading one piece of shelter for another.

The second is a game of “how many jobs/people are there in the area/region, is it cheaper to own than to rent, and does anyone have a down payment (with or without government assistance)?”

There are obvious differences. This is why market vacancy rates are so critical to the shape and timing of the housing recovery for certain markets (jobs is of course also very important).

Vacancy rates to consider:

Of the bubble states:

Owner Occupied:

CA is at 2.3%
FL is at 4.1%
AZ is at 3.7%
NV is at 4.3%

National Average is 2.7%

Rentals:

CA is at 7.9%
FL is at 15.3%
AZ is at 16.6%
NV is at 12.6%

National average is 10.7%

This is, in my opinion the most significant reason why people believe CA is going to be the first of these 4 markets to recover.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 12:52:16

Bernanke Says Fed Doesn’t Want to Be ‘Too Big to Fail’ Overseer

By Craig Torres

March 17 (Bloomberg) — Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke said the central bank shouldn’t be relegated to the role of regulating only the largest financial firms.

“We are quite concerned by proposals to make the Fed a regulator only of the biggest banks,” Bernanke told the House Financial Services Committee today. “It makes us essentially the too-big-to-fail regulator. We don’t want that responsibility. We want to have a connection to Main Street as well as to Wall Street. We need to have insights into what is happening in the entire banking system.”

Comment by packman
2010-03-17 13:01:02

We want to have a connection to Main Street as well as to Wall Street. We need to have insights into what is happening in the entire banking system.

“We want to bog small banks down as much as possible so that Megabank gets even more advantage. It worked for Sarbanes-Oxley - it can work for banks too!”

 
 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-03-17 13:15:39

Taking a page from the House Democrats’ playbook, I have decided I am going to “deem” to have overpaid on my 2009 Federal income tax and apply for a refund.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 13:20:50

March 16, 2010, 6:34 p.m. EDT

8 Things To Consider Before Walking Away From Your Mortgage
By Brett Arends , The Wall Street Journal

Last week I received an email from a desperate couple in Illinois. Here’s the edited version of their note:

“My wife and I have been struggling, morally, with what to do. We have two interest-only, adjustable-rate mortgages with two different lenders coming due in May of 2011. I currently can handle paying all my bills–but just barely, with nothing left over for replenishing of the emergency fund, or even my kids’ college savings.

In one year, when those adjustable rate mortgages adjust, it’s a different story. The home is now worth about 70% of the loan values. We do not want to stay in the home and have been trying to be proactive about doing something before the rates adjust. My lenders both said that if I do a short sale they would definitely make me sign a promissory note (for the deficiency). That defeats our purpose, so it is not an option for us. Bankruptcy attorneys have told me I make too much money to file for Chapter 7. I am currently employed. Last June I lost my previous job, and squandered our savings to stay above water with bills and the mortgages. Hindsight is 20/20 and at the time I should have filed for Chapter 7.

So, I am considering just letting the home go to foreclosure, saving my money, paying off other smaller debts (such as credit cards, and car loan), but am hesitant. I want/need to do the right thing fiscally for my family, but am wavering on the fence as to just take the plunge or not in a strategic foreclosure.

What should we do?”

These people are far from alone. Millions of middle-class Americans today are in a similar situation. They are struggling with their mortgage payments, and cannot sell because they are a long way underwater, owing more on their home than it is worth. They have wiped out their savings trying to keep up. One worker in six is either unemployed or underemployed, and there is a tsunami of rate resets coming in the next two years.

No one forced them to borrow –but no one forced the banks to lend either. More important right now is how they get out of it. I took this conundrum to two experienced bankruptcy attorneys–Richard Nemeth in Cleveland and Jeffrey Tromberg in Ft. Lauderdale, Fla.–for their advice. Here are some thoughts they offered.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-17 15:06:46

Never forget that it was the banks who the final say on the loan approvals.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 16:33:15

“…banks who have the final say…”

Right. It takes two to screw up.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-17 17:22:56

The buyer needs to sign papers after it’s approved.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-17 19:45:35

No joey, the lender ALWAYS has the final say.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-17 21:26:56

so.. the bank approves the loan and sends me the commitment letter, but it’s not legally binding? I cannot be sure the money is available? The lender can still back out for no reason?

I didn’t know that..

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 13:24:16

I thought breaking and entering and theft were felony crimes punishable by jail time. Perhaps when the perpetrator is one of America’s largest banks, it is different, since they operate above the rule of law?

* March 16, 2010, 9:32 AM ET

BofA Breaks Into Another House but Finds No Parrot

By James R. Hagerty

Can this be a coincidence, or is something seriously wrong with Bank of America Corp.’s procedures for dealing with other people’s real estate?

Last week we told you about Angela Iannelli and her parrot, Luke. The bank erroneously concluded that Ms. Iannelli, a mortgage-loan customer, had vacated her house. So the bank sent contractors to her house to “secure” it. They changed the lock, cut off utilities and confiscated Luke. It took Ms. Iannelli more than a week to get her bird back.

Now Scott D. Kassing, a doctor in the Phoenix area, has had a similar experience, though it didn’t involve the abduction of any pets.

Dr. Kassing says he has been a BofA customer for years and on Feb. 25 completed the purchase of a foreclosed home from the bank in the Phoenix suburb of Buckeye. The Kassing family has been renovating the house and hasn’t yet moved in.

One day last week, he says, “we arrived at the house on our daily visit to discover… the locks on the house changed. A sign in the window basically [stated] that the property had been secured by Bank of America to protect its interest and prevent entry by unauthorized individuals. A call to the emergency number resulted in no callback after two attempts.”

Dr. Kassing then spent a couple of hours at the office a BofA branch manager: “She spent most of the time on the phone being transferred around Bank of America phone lines and waiting on hold. It was finally acknowledged that an error occurred and the house was incorrectly seized. It was agreed that a locksmith would be sent out to open up my property again.”

Once he got inside, the doctor found that the possessions he had put in the house were gone: “About $2,000 worth of property was taken, including a new microwave still in the box, multiple tools, and various other items.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 14:22:55

These screwups by Megabank of America demonstrate what should be plainly obvious by now: The touted “increasing returns to scale” of banking operations don’t extend all the way up to nationally centralized mortgage banking. Countrywide failed first at national level mortgage lending, and now Megabank of America, which subsumed them, is following in their footstep.

Megabank, Inc should stick to businesses that it does well like telecom, dot com and automotive manufacturing; leave the mortgage banking to customer oriented local banks.

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-03-17 16:52:08

Bank of America forecloses on house that couple had paid cash for Feb. 12th, 2010
http://tampabay.com/news/business/realestate/bank-of-america-forecloses-on-house-that-couple-had-paid-cash-for/1072632

(This was previously posted on the HBB)

 
 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-17 14:20:05

Behold, I bring you tidings of other bubbles in the works:

1. Education. Specifically, higher education.
2. Health Care. Which is already starting to look, walk, and quack a lot like our beloved housing bubble-duckie.

Comment by CA renter
2010-03-18 05:14:12

Absolutely. Bubble are all around us.

 
 
Comment by 2banana
2010-03-17 14:37:31

Once he got inside, the doctor found that the possessions he had put in the house were gone: “About $2,000 worth of property was taken, including a new microwave still in the box, multiple tools, and various other items.”

I think it is time a dinky little bank breaks into the BoA CEO’s house, trashes it and replaces the locks. Leave a sign on it to call 1-800-EAT-SH*T

I would contribute to the legal defense fund…

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-17 17:18:20

i don’t see the big deal..
The bank owns the vacant house.. just one of thousands.
Have banks finally learned what happens to their REOs by leaving the property unprotected, and do they now keep an eye on their REOs?

They don’t want vandals trashing it. They sold it less than a month ago.. paperwork is probably still warm.

The Kassing family… hasn’t yet moved in.

Or maybe a neighbor sees strangers moving around in the empty house at night.. notices an open ground-floor window the next day. Maybe calls the cops or the bank. The bank gets nervous. Locks it up and stores whatever property would appeal to burglars.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 21:41:08

“i don’t see the big deal…”

That’s because it is not *your* house. Are you saying you wouldn’t care if someone stole $2000 worth of stuff out of your home while you were at work during the day?

I just don’t believe it, Joey! I hope your banking masters pay you well for posting BS here.

 
 
 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-03-17 16:31:26

Muggy-
I posted a list of links from your “paging wipeout” yesterday (under your request), but this one is the most direct information.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/23500034/New-Guidelines-for-Short-Sales-HAMP-Supplemental-Directive-09-09

 
Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-03-17 17:16:38

Southern California home prices rise 10% in February
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-home-sales17-2010mar17,0,1618841.story
(The comment section dissects the misleading headline)
Just last week, I compared a local paper’s housing article to a CAR press release, and it was almost verbatim.

Comment by CA renter
2010-03-18 05:24:20

Scary how all the comments are bearish. Contrarian indicator? ;)

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-17 17:34:44

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/7467500/Dutch-pension-fund-sues-Bank-of-America-for-100m.html

Bank of America is being sued for $100 million by one of their many bagholders: A Dutch pension firm. I hope this starts a cascade of similar lawsuits. The fools who ran these pension funds can color their money gone, but at least they can put these bankster scum under oath and grill them, for what it’s worth.

Comment by measton
2010-03-17 19:57:49

Good luck with that when it reaches the Supreme Court of Wall STreet appointed judges.

 
 
Comment by exeter
2010-03-17 18:10:12

Ok folks….. where is the zero interest mortgage products…. you know…30 year fixed rate stuff….

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-03-17 18:33:08

Florida’s foreclosure backlog among nation’s worst

By Kimberly Miller
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 5:41 p.m. Wednesday, March 17, 2010

A crushing backlog of foreclosure cases has pushed Florida’s courts to request a one-time payment of $9.6 million to help purge the system and quicken a market recovery.

The Florida State Courts Administration estimates 500,000 property foreclosures are pending, including 55,000 in Palm Beach County.

Without additional resources to clear the cases, judges fear the bottleneck will continue to drag down home values, which aren’t expected to stabilize until the glut of foreclosures moves through the system.

It’s routine in Florida for foreclosures to take more than a year to settle, leaving deteriorating homes, unpaid association fees, and families facing uncertain futures.

“We want to be good partners in the economic recovery, not part of the problem,” said Peter Blanc, chief judge of the 15th Judicial Circuit Court in Palm Beach County. “We want to get properties through the courts and back onto the market. The numbers are just overwhelming.”

A Barclays Capital report last week found Florida has one of the highest foreclosure backlogs nationally, even singling out South Florida — Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties — saying it is “remarkable” that the area may only be 18 percent finished with liquidating its delinquent property loans through foreclosure

 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-03-17 18:44:06

Foreclosure court backlog

Miami-Dade County, 80,100
Palm Beach County, 55,000
Broward County, 36,880
St. Lucie County, 11,220
Martin County, 2,530

 
Comment by uptick
2010-03-17 19:11:37

Whitman releases her agenda for California

Republican gubernatorial candidate Meg Whitman released a detailed policy agenda Tuesday at an appearance at Leisure World in Seal Beach.

Among the new proposals:

• Provide a $10,000 tax credit for purchasers of new and existing homes.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-17 19:55:06

only $10K… Not very impressive.

She should say “$25,000″. Then knock it down to $10K (or zero) after she’s elected.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-03-18 01:04:11

And only available through PayPal?

 
 
Comment by Michael Viking
2010-03-17 20:27:56

I Wasn’t Going To Buy This House Until I Saw The Realtor’s Headshot On The Sign

Buying a house is one of the biggest decisions a person can make, so when I set out to purchase my first home, I didn’t take the matter lightly.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 21:05:22

Am I going overboard with cynicism, or is this move by the Fed to grab a bigger regulatory role mainly about protecting Megabank, Inc from scrutiny of actions during the expansion phase of the bubble which may appear like white collar crimes through the lens of the rear view mirror? After Madoff and Enron, I would think there would be wider interest in exploring which other corporate behemoths might have committed white collar crime over the past decade, and prosecuting the perpetrators to the full extent of the law.

Instead, the Fed seems preoccupied with crisis management — most likely too preoccupied to notice who on Wall Street were systematically fleecing the American people and taking action to see that justice is served. A good watchdog will bite a robber in the leg if necessary to stop him. I don’t think the Fed is up to the task of defending the interests of the American people against high level white collar financial criminals employing sophisticated grifts. I also don’t think they are up to the task of regulating TBTF.

These are just my opinions, of course…

The Financial Times
Fed chief defends role as watchdog
By Tom Braithwaite in Washington

Published: March 17 2010 15:20 | Last updated: March 18 2010 00:03

Ben Bernanke, chairman of the Federal Reserve, appealed to Congress to preserve the central bank’s supervision of the financial system as lawmakers consider removing some of the Fed’s powers.

The Fed would lose oversight of banks with less than $50bn in assets in a bill by Chris Dodd, chairman of the Senate banking committee, which was introduced this week and will go to a mark-up next week.

“It makes us essentially the ‘too-big-to-fail’ regulator,” Mr Bernanke told a congressional hearing. “We don’t want that responsibility. We want to have a connection to Main Street, as well as to Wall Street.”

The $50bn threshold is a compromise from Mr Dodd, offered after his earlier proposal to remove all of the Fed’s bank supervision was roundly rejected by the Treasury, the Fed and some senators.

Paul Volcker, the former Fed chairman, appeared alongside Mr Bernanke to describe the idea of hiving off all of the bank’s oversight as a “grievous mistake” that would harm the conduct of monetary policy and financial stability by limiting the Fed’s understanding of the financial system.

The hearing in the House financial services committee was set up to provide a counterblast to Mr Dodd’s original, more far-reaching proposal that would have moved the Fed’s responsibility for 5,000 bank holding companies and 850 state- chartered banks to a single regulator. Barney Frank, chairman of the House committee, does not favour the shift in duties.

But the Fed faces a harder challenge in preserving the entirety of its supervision, with Mr Dodd and allies on the Senate banking committee determined to hold the line, arguing that the Fed gains nothing from regulating small banks and the job would be better performed by other regulators.

“There’s a reputational risk in having your central bank do too many things,” said Vincent Reinhart, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, and former director of the Fed’s division of monetary affairs.

Mr Volcker argued: “The Fed’s regional roots would be weaker and a useful source of information lost.”

Supervision of state banks “provides useful information” that “greatly assists in the making of monetary policy”, Mr Bernanke testified.

EDITOR’S CHOICE
US consumer protection proposals attacked - Mar-17
Text: Ben Bernanke testimony - Mar-17
Blog: Money Supply - Oct-07
View from the Top: Paul Volcker - Mar-09
In depth: US banks - Nov-18
In depth: Central banks - Nov-16

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 21:21:51

I am thinking the final stage of U.S. housing bubble deflation may be driven from without by forces beyond the Fed’s control. For instance:

The Financial Times
China and Germany unite to impose global deflation
By Martin Wolf
Published: March 16 2010 22:59 | Last updated: March 16 2010 22:59

“Chermany” spoke last week and the world listened. Was what it said coherent? No. Was what it said self-righteous? Very much so. Was what it said dangerous? Yes. Will wiser views still prevail? I doubt it.

You may have heard of Chimerica – a neologism invented by Niall Ferguson, the Harvard historian, and Moritz Schularick of the Free University of Berlin, to describe a supposed fusion between the Chinese and American economies. You may also have heard of Chindia, invented by Jairam Ramesh, an Indian politician, to describe the composite new Asian giant. Let me introduce you to Chermany, a composite of the world’s biggest net exporters: China, with a forecast current account surplus of $291bn this year and Germany, with a forecast surplus of $187bn (see chart).

China and Germany are, of course, very different from each other. Yet, for all their differences, these countries share some characteristics: they are the largest exporters of manufactures, with China now ahead of Germany; they have massive surpluses of saving over investment; and they have huge trade surpluses. (See charts.)

Both also believe that their customers should keep buying, but stop irresponsible borrowing. Since their surpluses entail others’ deficits, this position is incoherent. Surplus countries have to finance those in deficit. If the stock of debt becomes too big, the debtors will default. If so, the vaunted “savings” of surplus countries will prove to have been illusory: vendor finance becomes, after the fact, open export subsidies.

I am beginning to wonder whether the open global economy is going to survive this crisis. The eurozone may also be in some danger. Last week’s interventions by Wen Jiabao, China’s premier, and Wolfgang Schäuble, Germany’s finance minister, illuminate these dangers perfectly.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 21:31:22

Sounds like the Dodd plan sucks just as bad as many of us suspected…and there is no better alternative in sight so far as I can tell!

* OPINION
* MARCH 17, 2010, 10:14 P.M. ET

If You Liked Fannie and Freddie
You’ll love Chris Dodd’s latest reform proposal. It would make many more companies too big to fail and lead to far greater financial consolidation.

By PETER J. WALLISON

Think ObamaCare for the financial system. That’s one way to understand Sen. Chris Dodd’s bill to reform financial regulation. If passed in its current form, the bill would give the government control over the financial system in roughly the same way, and to the same extent, that ObamaCare would take over the nation’s health care. There isn’t a public option, exactly, but the private firms involved would be so heavily regulated that they would be effectively controlled by the government.

The threat comes primarily from the new powers granted to the Federal Reserve and a new regulatory grouping called the Financial Stability Oversight Council (FSOC). Although the Fed failed to anticipate the financial crisis, missed the significance of the developing housing bubble, and did not prevent our largest banks from taking excessive risks, it is rewarded in the bill with authority to control the rest of the financial system.

Not only will the Fed retain its regulatory authority over banks and bank holding companies with assets of more than $50 billion, but the FSOC will be authorized to place under the Fed’s supervision any other large nonbank financial institutions—insurance companies, securities firms, finance companies, hedge funds and others—that the FSOC believes could “pose risks to the financial stability of the United States.”

The Fed’s authority over all these firms will extend to setting standards for capital, liquidity, leverage and risk management. If this isn’t enough to remove the threat to U.S. financial stability, the Fed may order a company to terminate one or more activities, impose conditions on how the company operates, or require the company to sell or transfer assets to unaffiliated parties.

It’s easy to imagine how these extensive authorities confer practical control over every policy and every action of the firms that come under the Fed’s supervision. The innovation and risk taking that have always characterized the American financial system will be stifled beneath the Fed’s bureaucratic blanket. The center of gravity of the U.S. financial system will move to Washington, where large firms will have to go hat in hand to gain Fed approval for every significant move. Moreover, by designating these firms as potential threats to financial stability, the bill clearly identifies them as too big to fail. This will ensure their competitive survival since it’s unimaginable that the Fed will allow them to fail while under its control.

Although Sen. Dodd apparently believes that the only significant question about too big to fail is whether taxpayer money is used to bail out a large firm, this is far from true. The real significance of the too-big-to-fail designation, as every small banker knows, is that the implicit protection of the government confers a lower cost of funds and thus significant competitive advantages.

We’ve seen this movie before, and it wasn’t pretty. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were too big to fail, and their lower cost of funds allowed them to drive all competition from the part of the secondary mortgage market where they were allowed to operate. They grew to multitrillion dollar size and took multitrillion dollar risks. Some time in the next few years, American taxpayers will receive a bill for more than $400 billion to clean up the losses that are now baked in the Fannie and Freddie cake.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 22:43:25

“It would make many more companies too big to fail and lead to far greater financial consolidation.”

That is a fairly polite way of saying that Megabank, Inc will have greater monopoly power, continued too-big-to-fail bailout insurance and carte blanche to screw the American consumer without repercussions. I wonder which of these firms will employ Dodd during his retirement from the Senate?

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 22:50:15

Iceland Debt Small Part of Global Debt Crisis
Written by Charles Scaliger
Tuesday, 09 March 2010 21:00

Iceland flagIceland’s recent vote not to repay billions of dollars owed to Britain and the Netherlands underscores the growing risk involved in bailing out sovereign debtors. When Icesave, an Iceland-based Internet bank, collapsed back in 2008 along with most of Iceland’s banking sector, the tiny North Atlantic nation nearly collapsed along with it. Fortunately for the short term, Britain and the Netherlands agreed to bail out Iceland’s depositors in Icesave.

Now, however, voters have resoundingly rejected (by a margin of 93 percent to about two percent) a government plan to repay the British and Dutch by having $135 garnished from every paycheck monthly for the next eight years. Although Iceland’s leaders continue to insist that Icelanders are obligated to repay the money, ordinary Icelanders, understandably reluctant to accept responsibility for the actions of politicians and central bankers, are balking.

The problem with sovereign debt, including debt incurred by the U.S. government, is that responsibility for it is diluted. While pundits may insist in the abstract that every American owes tens of thousands of dollars in his share of the national debt, millions of Americans — especially those who (like this writer) have long deplored the unconstitutional and illegitimate profligacy of politicians in Washington and state governments — are unlikely to comply when America’s creditors begin demanding that Americans be shaken down for decades of irresponsible government borrowing and spending.

When American taxpayers are no longer willing or able to pay for the party that the politicos have thrown for themselves, Washington will have little recourse except to try to print its way out of debt. But that too will be difficult when creditors refuse to purchase any more government debt (since issuing debt, primarily through “open-market operations,” is the primary way that central banks like the Fed create new money). When the day of reckoning finally dawns, Washington with little choice besides outright default.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-17 22:59:17

Why would Thornberg assume that home prices will ever return to their bubble peaks? Fourteen years seems way too soon, given that Japanese home prices dropped for two straight decades right up to the present with no clear sign that a bottom is in place.

More homeowners are opting for ’strategic defaults’

Underwater on their mortgages and angry at banks, more borrowers are choosing to hand over the keys, even if they can afford the payments.

Wynn Bloch bought her Palm Desert house for $385,000 in 2006. Now she says it will never be worth anywhere near the amount of her mortgage, so she stopped paying on her loan and moved out. (Bret Hartman / For The Times / March 4, 2010)

By Alana Semuels

March 17, 2010

Wynn Bloch has always dutifully paid her bills and socked away money for retirement. But in December she defaulted on the mortgage on her Palm Desert home, even though she could afford the payments.

Bloch paid $385,000 for the two-bedroom in 2006, when prices were still surging. Comparable homes are now selling in the low-$200,000s. At 66, the retired psychologist doubted she’d see her investment rebound in her lifetime. Plus, she said she was duped into an expensive loan.

The way she sees it, big banks that helped fuel the mess all got bailouts while small fry like her are left holding the bag. No more.

“There was not a chance that house was ever going to be worth anywhere near what my mortgage was,” said Bloch, who is now renting a few miles away after defaulting on the $310,000 loan. “I haven’t cheated or stolen.”

Time was when Americans would do almost anything to hang on to their homes. But that commitment appears to be fraying as more people fall behind on their loans while watching the banks and lenders that helped trigger the financial crisis return to prosperity.

Nearly one-quarter of U.S. mortgages, or about 11 million loans, are “underwater,” i.e. the houses are worth less than the balance of their loans. While home values are regaining ground — median prices rose 10% in Southern California last month to $275,000 compared with a year earlier — they remain far below the July 2007 peak of $505,000.

Many homeowners are just coming to grips with the idea that prices will take years to reach the pre-crash peak: as long as 14 years in California, according to economist Chris Thornberg.

Stuck with properties whose negative equity won’t recover for years, and feeling betrayed by financial institutions that bankrolled the frenzy, some homeowners are concluding it’s smarter to walk away than to stick it out.

“There is a growing sense of anger, a growing recognition that there is a double standard if it’s OK for financial institutions to look after themselves but not OK for homeowners,” said Brent T. White, a law professor at the University of Arizona who wrote a paper on the subject.

Comment by Reuven
2010-03-18 13:08:25


Bloch paid $385,000 for the two-bedroom in 2006, when prices were still surging. Comparable homes are now selling in the low-$200,000s. At 66, the retired psychologist doubted she’d see her investment rebound in her lifetime. Plus, she said she was duped into an expensive loan.

“There was not a chance that house was ever going to be worth anywhere near what my mortgage was,” said Bloch, who is now renting a few miles away after defaulting on the $310,000 loan. “I haven’t cheated or stolen.”

While she may be within the law because she resides in the house, buying a home as an investment property, and then sticking the bank with it when the investment turns sour is certainly cheating. If I were to buy stocks on leverage, I can’t stick my broker with the losses. Not to mention the tax deductions she got on the interest for what she admits is an investment, and not a residence.

What I don’t understand is the anger! The terms of the mortgage presumably stipulate that she can simply walk away if she wants. What a great deal! Why is she so bitter?

Comment by Carl Morris
2010-03-18 14:07:33

Why is she so bitter?

Because her “can’t miss” retirement plan blew up?

 
 
 
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