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Examining the home price boom and its effect on owners, lenders, regulators, realtors and the economy as a whole.
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Greenspan Says Crisis ‘By Far’ Worst, Recovery Uneven (Update1)
By Joshua Zumbrun
Feb. 23 (Bloomberg) — Former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan said the financial crisis was “by far” the worst in history and called the recovery from the global recession “extremely unbalanced.”
The world economy has undergone “by far the greatest financial crisis globally ever,” Greenspan said today in a speech to the Credit Union National Association’s Governmental Affairs Conference in Washington.
Greenspan said that while the economy was in worse shape in the Great Depression, the recent financial crisis was potentially more harmful than that in the 1930s because “never had short-term credit literally withdrawn.”
Greenspan said that the gross domestic product may recover to the level of previous peaks earlier this year, even though traditional drivers of growth such as housing starts and motor vehicles were “dead in the water.” He also said small businesses show few signs of improving because lenders are struggling with commercial real estate mortgages.
The “extremely unbalanced recovery” is being led by high- income consumers and large businesses that are benefiting from a recovery in stock prices, he said.
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The “extremely unbalanced recovery” is being led by high- income consumers and large businesses that are benefiting from a recovery in stock prices, he said.
DING DING DING.
Put me down in the “not a real recovery,” camp.
EVERY recovery in the last 30 years hasn’t been a real recovery for anyone but this same group.
The only exception was the Internet boom. Despite the high profile big rollers, it really was the biggest opportunity for the avg person since the 1960s. An internet connection and a domain and you were in business. I built my first website in 1996, just one year after I first became aware of it.
I agree. That was the only time I’ve ever witnessed any real upward pressure on wages, too. The rest of the time has just been an exercise in trying to avoid the axe, and being happy for any little raise you get. I’ve heard crazy talk about how upward pressure on wages used to be normal during all booms, but I’ve only been in the workforce since the 80s, so I never got to see it all those previous times.
Me too,
Federated’s David Tice was on Bloomberg this morning and (paraphrasing here) said that the equity prices have detached from the fundamentals because of the Bernanke Put and the there are many companies with balance sheets he does not trust.
Here’s the video link,
http://tinyurl.com/yc9ctby
“…led by high- income consumers and large businesses that are benefiting from a recovery in stock prices, he said.”
Wasn’t a primary purpose of the financially engineered Fall 2008 meltdown to give strong hands the chance to snap up stock market bargains at fire sale prices at the point when weak hands were smashed to smithereens?
Or am I missing something?
Now those strong hands are going to sell that same stock to gullable retail investors who jump in at the high.
Exactly. The churn and stealing are what is keeping this going.
In Bold, New Future, the market will always go sideways. Create crisis to crash the market and get Bailouts (and force weak hands to sell), snap up the discounts, and then sell those assets to greater fools near the top. Then, create another crisis, crash the market, rinse and repeat. Once you factor in all the fees, the profit for those in power is huge while everyone else watchs their “buy and hold” strategy produce net gains of nothing over decades.
Gotta love Corporate Crony Capitalism!
It’s been this way since the First Bank of the United States in 1791.
Those “strong hands” have a real good grip around our collective throats and are squeezing.
My tongue’s turning blue.
Roidy
Just remember that murder by strangulation* is illegal, and even the strongest hands are subject to a rule of law — I think?
* Not sure if this applies to the metaphorical financial version of the crime.
After the goverment is done collecting money for health insurance for everyone besides the medicare tax I am pretty sure they will turn there attention to the Big Banks
after all both Medical Insurance and Big Banks are unpopular and ripe for a Government “inspection”
And the favorite food of large marine mammals is what again? Help me here, PB, marine biology isn’t my strong suit.
In other words, the “recovery” is isolated to the piglets at the government teat.
“…large businesses that are benefiting from a recovery in stock prices, he said.”
-The benefit to the “recovery” of the stock market rally cannot be understated. To the point where it should be painfully obvious that the entire rally was orchestrated/fabricated by the players with the most at stake/influence (Megabanks and Gov.) Rest assured, there is nothing real about the “recovery” -and you can take that to the ponzi-bank!
Greenspan is like Dick Cheney (and the entire neo-con cabal for that matter). He’s so thoroughly discredited he should have the grace to just shut up and go away.
He’s so thoroughly discredited he should have the grace to just shut up and go away.
Yes, he should. But he’s in his mid-80s and frantically trying to burnish his image for the history books, lest he end up lumped with the likes of Charles Ponzi and Herbert Hoover.
Greenspan said that while the economy was in worse shape in the Great Depression, the recent financial crisis was potentially more harmful than that in the 1930s because “never had short-term credit literally withdrawn.”
That would be because never before has our country been so uncreditworthy.
Did you know that sometime during the 19080s we went from a nation with more lending than borrowing to the TOP debtor nation on the planet?
“Businesses” that are benefiting from the recovery (cough cough) in stock prices. Yeah, that’s it’s - it’s businesses. Good old Main Street U.S.A. businesses.
“Recovery” - yeah, that’s it - back to where the stock prices should be. Yeah, that’s it.
Puke.
I will definitely give him the “unbalanced” part. However that’s a big “No Freaking Duh, Alan” - not exactly insightful commentary.
I got other news for you Al - it’s your fault. Try that on for size.
P.S. -
“Maestro”.
Greenspan hits back at claims he caused housing bubble
By Edward Luce and Tom Braithwaite in Washington
Published: March 19 2010 02:00 | Last updated: March 19 2010 02:00
Alan Greenspan will today offer his most sophisticated defence so far of his role as chairman of the Federal Reserve in the build-up to the 2008 financial meltdown, hitting back at claims that the Fed’s low short-term interest rates were the cause of the US housing bubble.
Mr Greenspan’s characteristically abstract assessment - in a 48-page paper he will present today for the Brookings Institution - is likely to fuel debate over how to prevent another asset price bubble at a time when US financial regulatory reform is nearing its endgame on Capitol Hill.
In his paper, entitled The Crisis, Mr Greenspan admits that regulators underestimated the scale of the asset price bubble. But he attributes the failing, among others, to overseas regulators, the US credit rating agencies, financial houses and mainstream economics.
“In the growing state of high euphoria, risk managers, the Federal Reserve, and other regulators failed to fully comprehend the underlying size, length and impact of the negative tail of the distribution of risk outcomes,” Mr Greenspan writes.
However, he adds: “To this day, it is hard to find fault with the conceptual framework of our [financial risk management] models as far as they go.”
The former Fed chairman, who in late 2008 admitted to Congress he was in a state of shocked disbelief over the failure of his ideological assumptions on how markets should function, also dismisses the growing view that central banks should adjust to the meltdown by incorporating asset prices into their measure of inflation.
Such a step, he says, would risk recessions as deep as those they were intended to prevent.
“Unless there is societal choice to abandon dynamic markets and leverage for some form of central planning, I fear that preventing bubbles will in the end turn out to be infeasible,” he writes. “Assuaging their aftermath seems to be the best we can hope for.”
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“High euphoria?” Come on Alan you tool, you know what it was…you can say it…
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There, see? I knew you could.
But what is this about “leverage for some form of central planning?” Could this Randian lover be turning…socialist?
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Fisher on Greenspan and the Irrational Exuberance Bull
By Bradley Davis
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(Dallas Federal Reserve president Richard Fisher) did, however, name the 2,500-pound red Swiss breeding bull on his East Texas farm “Irrational Exuberance” in reference to Greenspan’s famous 1996 comment that prompted a slump in stock markets around the world.
After the pop of the real-estate bubble and the proceeding financial crisis, Fisher said Greenspan returned a picture of the bull. Inscribed was a note from Greenspan: “Dear Richard: Irrational exuberance is truly a lot of bull,” Fisher said, adding, “It’s in my office if anyone wants to see.”
“It’s in my office if anyone wants to see.”
Great, we should keep it as a souvenier when we eventually storm the place with pitchforks.
Like most discredited nuts who really didn’t get Rand, he believes that he and his cronies should be the ones directing the show since they are “better” than you and I. He sees himself as one of those “special, productive” people who adds so much to the world through creative financing. In reality, he produced a mountain of problems via idiotic economic policy - policy that was so bad that us “commoners” could see through the problems in our free time. But that reality will never stop the self-appointed geniuses from destroying everything in order to better control it. They deserve it, or so they think!
Randian Paradox:
Since the act of strong centralized government is counter to libertarian principles - those that are most capable of running the world are the ones who are least interested in actually doing it.
“Unless there is societal choice to abandon dynamic markets and leverage for some form of central planning,…”
What were the bailouts if not central planning?
When your principles go out the window during a crisis, perhaps they’re not very useful principles.
You can not teach an old dog new tricks. Denial and more denial. What is new here? Greenspan was mediocre at best. He will speak a lot without saying anything.
I’ve always imagined Greenspan sitting there thinking, “Keynes promised that in the long run we’re all dead. Dammit, I was supposed to be dead before all this hit.”
Maybe he is dead, and its just a weekend at Bernies kind of thing. You really can’t tell by looking.
McCain used to have a running joke about that, back in the day when AG could still walk on the water without going under.
The former Fed chairman, who in late 2008 admitted to Congress he was in a state of shocked disbelief over the failure of his ideological assumptions on how markets should function, also dismisses the growing view that central banks should adjust to the meltdown by incorporating asset prices into their measure of inflation.
Of course he dismisses the view - he’s being a good Feddie. How are they going to hide true inflation if it measures all the things we really spend money on?
What I wouldn’t give if on his deathbed he would just blurt out (and it was recorded) - “HA HA HA HA HA - You people were HAD! All that stuff I said was B***S***!! If you knew what’s good for you - you’d get out your torches and pitchforks and run the Fed off a cliff! Too late for me though - I’m outta here! Bye!”
“….abandon dynamic markets…….for some sort of central planning…..”
Ahhh the old “socializing” argument again.
Might I suggest that a decision by government to NOT enforce existing laws, repeal laws proven effective in suppressing “irrational exuberance”, and support Wall Street at the expense of Main Street, are, in fact, “central planning?”
Bingo.
I guess they don’t consider:
- subsidization of housing programs
- massive direct stimuli
- interest rate intervention
- tax code change stimuli
- MBS purchases
- money creation
- treasury purchases
- etc. etc.
to be “central planning”?
If that’s not central planning - then I really don’t want to see what is.
It’s not “central planning” when Republicans do it.
It’s called “incentivizing”.
Which is what my blinder-equipped Republican friends just can’t seem to get their head around……..that an “incentive” given out that supports economically destructive behavior is just as bad as a “subsidy” for another kind of behavior.
Yes.
There’s nothing wrong with taking action to promote economic growth - as long as said action is not targeted at any particular segment of the economy; the problem is that is exactly what most incentives (maybe even all) are.
Even your basic “tax rebate” has a target to some extent. It increases the federal debt, thus driving capital specifically toward U.S. treasuries.
Certainly things like mortgage interest deduction, primary-home capital gains exemption, and most certainly downpayment assistance are very targeted specifically at real estate, and thus had a hand in creating the housing bubble. As such - they can be very much considered central planning.
Thank you congress for the tax code change stimuli ( LUCKY schedule L) use it if your lucky for CHUMP CHANGE!
Facts presented in the Wealth, Income, and Power website (G. William Domhoff).
In the United States, wealth is highly concentrated in a relatively few hands. As of 2007, the top 1% of households (the upper class) owned 34.6% of all privately held wealth, and the next 19% (the managerial, professional, and small business stratum) had 50.5%, which means that just 20% of the people owned a remarkable 85%, leaving only 15% of the wealth for the bottom 80% (wage and salary workers).
In terms of financial wealth (total net worth minus the value of one’s home), the top 1% of households had an even greater share: 42.7%. Table 1 and Figure 1 present further details drawn from the careful work of economist Edward N. Wolff at New York University (2009).
In terms of types of financial wealth, the top one percent of households have 38.3% of all privately held stock, 60.6% of financial securities, and 62.4% of business equity. The top 10% have 80% to 90% of stocks, bonds, trust funds, and business equity, and over 75% of non-home real estate. Since financial wealth is what counts as far as the control of income-producing assets, we can say that just 10% of the people own the United States of America. (end of excerpt)
Here is a chart from the website:
wealth distrubition
According to the asset class breakdown on Wealth, Income, and Power, the bottom 90% owned 18.8% of all stocks and mutual funds in 2007. Since the bottom 60% own very little (only 22% of the bottom 60% own stock/mutual funds worth more than $10,000), and the bottom 80% own a mere 8.9% of all stocks/mutual funds, then the top 10% owns 81% of all stocks (of which the top 1% own 38%) and the “managerial/professional” slice between 80% and 90% owns about 10%.
Some 47% of the “middle class” (those between the bottom 40% with few financial assets and the top 20% with the vast majority of the assets) own stocks/mutual funds worth more than $10,000, but since the bottom 80% own a mere 8.9% of all stocks, it seems the Great American Middle Class owns about 7% of all the stocks and mutual funds in the U.S. (with the bottom 40% holding the remaining 2%).
According to BusinessWeek, the profits of the S&P 500 corporations rose in 2009 to over $500 billion–a vast sum presented as “yet more proof” that the recession is over.
Over for some perhaps, but not for the bottom 80%. It is no secret that the spurt in productivity which fueled those gargantuan profits was made by reducing headcounts and getting more work out of the remaining workforce. Bully for the S&P 500 managers and those who reap the profits.
Since there are about 130 million U.S. households and total corporate profits are around $1 trillion, we can do some simple math to see where all those profits flow.
If you dig through the BEA website and other sources, you find that Corporate profits were about 13 percent of GDP in 2007, their highest level in 40 years and significantly above the post-World War II average of 9.4 percent of GDP. Nonfinancial profits for 2006 were $1.08 trillion. Real GDP peaked in Q2 2008 at 13,415.3 billion; in Q3 2009 GDP was 12,973 billion (calculated annually).
Even assuming corporate profits have dropped back to 9% of GDP, we still get a number around $1 trillion in profit for 2009.
Based on the ownership of stock and mutual funds, we can estimate that 9% ($90 billion) of all that profit flowed to the bottom 80% of households (104 million), $100 billion flowed to the 13 million Managerial/Professional households (the 10% of all households between 80% and 90%), and $810 billion flowed to the top 10% (13 million households), of which $400 billion flowed to the top 1% (1.3 million households).
Since total household income runs about $9 trillion, then the $90 billion distributed among 104 million households doesn’t really ring a lot of chimes when the estimated loss of wealth in the U.S. as the credit bubble popped has been estimated at $15 trillion.
The rise in the stock market and corporate profits benefitted the relative few–yet is touted in the mainstream media as heralding the end of the recession for the entire nation. That is pure propaganda. How easy it’s been to manufacture a rising stock market, compared to engineering a recovery in the economy.
Facts presented in the Wealth, Income, and Power website (G. William Domhoff).
Those USA figures are very close to these below. I put some Brazil figures up too. Brazil has one of the world’s most unequal distributions of income and wealth. It’s shocking to see the USA’s wealth figures are now very close to Brazil’s.
How’s everybody’s Samba lessons coming along?
The Instituto de Pesquisa Econômica Aplicada (IPEA) of the Brazilian Government in a recent study stated that in São Paulo the wealthiest 10% had 73.4% of while in Rio they retained 62.9% and Salvador 67%.
Near the end of the 1800s, the richest 10% in Rio had 68% of the wealth. Not much progress.
IPEA attributes the primary cause for the poor wealth distribution to an outdated tax system that taxes the least wealthy up to 44% more than the most affluent.
Wiki: In the United States at the end of 2001, 10% of the population owned 71% of the wealth and the top 1% owned 38%. On the other hand, the bottom 40% owned less than 1% of the nation’s wealth.
Pareto’s Law obviously at work again…
One should examine these wealth data ranked by education, gender and religion.
My goal is to call up Dave Ramsey and tell him I’m a debt-free atheist with a paid off house and a net worth outside my real estate of over $1,000,000.
Does any other atheist have the American Dream?
I’m a debt-free atheist with a paid off house and a net worth outside my real estate of over $1,000,000.
Then it sounds like you’ve got it all covered almost.
What’s stopping you from calling him up?
He’d probably put you on his show, Bill.
Laaaate reply (I was on the road to Phoenix this weekend).
I’m not “there” yet. $200,000 more net worth and I could buy a good house in my Phoenix neighborhood and have $1,000,000 outside of real estate. My own rule of thumb is to have five times more net worth than what you have in real estate.
And remember: those in charge won’t be happy until the top 0.1% controls 99.9% of the wealth.
In the end, they’ll be content to kill each other to rule over graveyards of starved peasants, because there is no such thing as “too much” in their eyes.
It stands to reason that the middle class had a lowering of their wealth ,or they would not of resorted to going into debt the way they did to try to live like the rich and famous .
I just don’t get how the Corporations think they are going to get blood out of a rock . Using credit to purchase has already been exhausted
by Main Street .
Took a little look at the health care bill and I’m not happy with it .
At this point I guess maybe a single payer public option would actually get rid of the Health Insurance Monopolies .
There isn’t much in there that actually addresses costs and monopoly price fixing ,unless you think a greater pool of people will
bring costs down .
Don’t like the mandate of you must buy insurance or suffer a penalty . Don’t like them pooling high risk patients together and possible still creating policies they still won’t be able to afford .
The health bill takes away ability of insurance companies to deny
because of pre-existing ,but doesn’t stop them from charging higher policy costs . I could go on and on . Kinda like banks have to give more disclosures but can still charge usury on interest rates
on stuck debtors .
Yep,I get the feeling that the Health Care Insurers wrote the darn bill . Some say pass the bill so it can be amended later . I don’t know if I like that logic .
Do I need to mention that families living together reduces the demand for residential housing units? Everyone needs a place to live, but that doesn’t prevent them from doubling up households by sharing a housing unit with someone else.
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* March 18, 2010, 9:39 AM ET
Recession, Immigration Spur More Families to Live Together
By Conor Dougherty
The twin forces of recession and broad demographic shifts have sparked a return to the multi-generational household, according to this report from the Pew Research Center.
According to the report, about 49 million Americans, or about 16% of the population, lived in a household with at least two adult generations. That compared with 28 million, or 12% of the population, in 1980. That is a reversal from past trends: Between 1940 and 1980, the number of multi-generational households had declined to 12% in 1980 from 25% in 1940.
The Pew report, which was compiled through a combination of Census data and telephone surveys, charts several decades of social and economic trends that have seen American families move apart and back together. Between 1940 and 1980, Social Security and better health allowed more seniors to live alone later into their lives. At the same time, the immigrant population declined as the economy and suburbs boomed, leading to more independent households.
Much of that has reversed. Immigration is a driving force of the economy and the country’s demographics, with whites of non-European ancestry expected to make up less than 50% of the U.S. population by 2042. Asian and Hispanic immigrants, in particular, are more likely to see multi-generational dwellings. Also, people are waiting longer to get married and many of them “consider their childhood home to be an attractive living situation, especially when a bad economy makes it difficult for them to find jobs or launch careers,” according to the Pew Report.
Indeed, these long-term demographic changes have been accelerated by the Great Recession. According to Pew analysis of Census data, 2.6 million more Americans were living in multi-generational households than in 2007 — an increase that has seen across all racial groups. Those findings dovetail with a 2009 Pew Report that found that among 22- to 29-years-olds, one-in eight had suffered a recession-induced move-in after living on their own.
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Exactly.
However, job creation will change this dynamic given where home prices have fallen.
When no one can afford housing, they double-up (when prices are too high, or incomes are too low, more people cram into less housing).
When people can afford housing, they do not (people do want their own space).
Govt rewarded bank auditors with big bonuses
Associated Press
March 18, 2010
WASHINGTON (AP) — As banks gambled on the risky mortgages that helped create the worst financial crisis in generations, the U.S. government handed out millions of dollars in bonuses to regulators at agencies that missed or ignored warning signs that the system was on the verge of a meltdown.
The bonuses, detailed in payroll data released to The Associated Press, are the latest evidence of the government’s false sense of security during the go-go days of the financial boom. Just as bank executives got bonuses despite taking on dangerous amounts of risk, regulators got taxpayer-funded bonuses for doing “superior” work monitoring the banks.
The bonuses, released in response to a Freedom of Information Act request, were part of a reward program little known outside the government. Some government regulators got tens of thousands of dollars in perks, boosting their salaries by almost 25 percent. Often, though, rewards amounted to just a few hundred dollars for employees who came up with good ideas.
During the 2003-06 boom, the three agencies that supervise most U.S. banks — the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., the Office of Thrift Supervision and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency — gave out at least $19 million in bonuses, records show.
Nearly all that money was spent recognizing “superior” performance. The largest share, more than $8.4 million, went to financial examiners, those employees and managers who scrutinize internal bank documents and sound the first alarms. Analysts, auditors, economists and criminal investigators also got awards.
“…the U.S. government handed out millions of dollars in bonuses to regulators at agencies that missed or ignored warning signs that the system was on the verge of a meltdown.”
Incentive pay for regulatory ‘oversight’?
That’s because the oversight was so good.
“….Often, though, rewards amounted to just a few hundred dollars for employees who came up with good ideas.”
On Wall St. they reward folks who use “Financial Innovation” to create “good ideas” that have catastrophic results…(only they use a “bonus multiplier” model”
Bernanke footnote: Fed wants end to ‘minimum reserve requirements’
Hosted on the Federal Reserve’s own servers, the written testimony of the bank’s chairman explains in plain text what expanding the Fed’s powers will do.
Footnote number nine
“The Federal Reserve believes it is possible that, ultimately, its operating framework will allow the elimination of minimum reserve requirements, which impose costs and distortions on the banking system,”
I would be totally in favor of eliminating reserve requirements
IF IF IF IF IF
they didn’t bail out these effin’ banks six months later, which is about when that policy would blow up. Just put strings on it. You want to fly high? Fine. Adhere to the old Glass-Steagall, subject yourself to fed audit at any time to make sure you’re not even 1/3 the size of TBTF, and promise not to reinsure reinsure or use the AIG option where they would be bailed out indirectly. If you find some way around such regs, the gov reserves the right to dissolve you at any time. Your stockholders need to be aware of all thsi before they invest in you. And NO whining to Larry Kudlow that you want “the government to get off your back.” Live by the sword, die by the sword.
A few Qs here, oxide:
What is the size of TBTF, anyway? Is this number constant over time? Is this going to be written into law?
the gov reserves the right to dissolve you at any time
Doesn’t the gov already have the right to dissolve a bank or any other corp? The government CHARTERS banks, and can revoke a charter at will.
And what about repealing ALL of Glass-Steagall, including the part that created the FDIC? Then we wouldn’t have to worry about bank regulation or TBTF at all.
Right …They had the right to put these entities out of business
all along ,in fact had the duty to do so . Lowering reserve
requirements in favor of a regulator just having power to
dissolve at any time . I don’t think so ……
Do they just propose these trick bills to give lip service to
Main Street ?
Reserve requirements stabilize the banking system. As if the Fed requires banks to have any reserves now….
So is this about making sure FDIC stays properly funded while seizing only the worst cases through the next decade?
Can the FDIC seize a bank on the basis of it dropping below its reserve requirements? I thought it could only penalize it - that seizure was always as a result of insolvency (i.e. essentially zero reserves - I think).
“The Federal Reserve believes it is possible that, ultimately, its operating framework will allow the elimination of minimum reserve requirements, which impose costs and distortions on the banking system,”
LOL. Yeah we wouldn’t have to actually require the banks to have costs associated with those massive profits, would we?
Wow - just wow.
FWIW - I’m not actually against removing minimum reserve requirements, but only if it goes along with three things:
1. Total transparency, in some form or another - allowing people to truly see what banks have in reserve.
2. Heads rolling when fraud is committed in managing/reporting the reserve levels.
3. No bailouts.
Otherwise, short of all those - reserve requirements are a necessary thing.
(Not that they guarantee anything - see current crash - but they’re a first step. The next step being - don’t allow the Fed/government to cause asset price bubbles that skew risk and make existing reserve levels obsolete.)
So, this would just mean they can print up however much money they want while the banks can completely make up numbers for their balance sheets.
I’m in favor of this IF, IF, IF - we, the citizens who are being fleeced, get to do the same thing.
If so, I think I’ll start out by buying up a few states: anyone know any states for sale that are worth buying? Hehehe…
Probably a good bet would be the state of Disbelief. It’s very popular these days.
I’m just getting more and more alarmed here that these entities will have built in bail outs and lower requirements ,all put under the
discretion of a regulator . Whenever you don’t define the law
and a regulator is for the purpose of seeing if your conforming to the laws and rules ,you just are looking for situational ethics .
I give up ,they are all bought off .
By Paul Owers
Sun-Sentinel Staff Writer
Posted: 8:04 p.m. Thursday, March 18, 2010
South Florida is one of the hardest-hit regions for construction job losses as a “depression” continues to strangle the industry, the Associated General Contractors of America said today.
Palm Beach County lost 6,500 construction jobs between January 2009 and January 2010, and its industrywide employment fell by 22 percent, the trade group reported after analyzing federal employment figures.
Broward County lost 9,700 positions and its construction employment declined by 23 percent during the year.
The two counties ranked among the 32 worst metro areas in the nation. The only other metro area in Florida with more construction job losses than Broward was Orlando, which shed 15,300 jobs.
“It isn’t pretty, is it?” said Len Mills, executive vice president of AGC’s South Florida chapter based in Sunrise.
Construction employment statewide dropped by 19 percent and the industry lost 80,000 jobs. Nationwide, 313 of 337 areas shed construction jobs during the year.
“It’s difficult to imagine that many regions will bounce back when so many construction workers are unemployed,” Ken Simonson, the national AGC’s chief economist, said in a statement. “Worse, with virtually every city suffering significant construction job losses, there’s nowhere to hide from what is clearly a construction depression.”
Of the jobs lost, almost 1% involved American Citizens, also known as “white guys who sit in air-conditioned pickups and watch”.
The article fails to mention that all of the laid-off construction guys are actually doing quite well as they collect extended unemployment while selling food stamps and dealing prescription drugs among the new government-subsidized community, all while working under the table and paying zero taxes.
Why’s it so quiet in here? Where’d everybody go? Did you guys not tell me about a HBB meetup again?
It’s the calm before the storm.
I picked the wrong week to quit smoking.
I’m just waiting for the stock market to actually reflect fundamentals….
Guess I will be quiet for a while…
Me too. I’m also waiting for women to start appreciating me for my inner beauty instead of just my rugged good looks.
I’m just waiting for the “Market” to make yet another boo-boo…
Right now I’d say the “Market” is on “bar time” …2AM
“Don’t the women all get prettier at closing time…” sung by Eddie Rabbit
Guess I’ll be quiet for a while too…
History may show the stock market decoupled from fundamentals ever since the 1987 stock market panic was quelled by a liquidity dump from the Greenspan Fed, at which point the Greenspan (now Bernanke) put was born.
Interesting comment, I hadn’t thought about it that way. Was ‘87 the first time the Fed used Monetary Policy as a weapon against a stock market dump?
That would certainly explain the bubble - bust cycles that seem to have started about then.
Well - except the late 90’s bubble was more caused by new technology that was the internet, and the 2000’s bubble was caused by new technology that was houses.
Wait…
Don’t forget the S&L disaster from 1989-1993.
Will the Fed follow through on its announced plan to exit the MBS purchase business? And if they do, what federal housing price support program will step up to replace their interest rate suppression program?
What even prompted the Fed to enter the MBS purchase business, and more generally, to assume duties as housing demand fluffer, to begin with — i.e., how does that even relate to their dual mandate to keep employment high and contain inflation if the prices of long-lived assets like housing are not even included in the CPI calculation?
Enquiring minds want to know.
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* March 16, 2010, 2:28 PM ET
What’s Next for the Fed and Mortgages?
By Sudeep Reddy
The Federal Reserve is bringing its mortgage-purchase program to a close. The Federal Open Market Committee said in a statement after its meeting today that the $1.25 trillion program of buying mortgage-backed securities would be completed, as expected, by the end of March. That will leave investors, homebuyers and the housing sector to watch nervously in the coming months as the industry tries to recover without new support from the Fed.
What did the Fed do for mortgages? The central bank announced in November 2008, in a particularly bleak period the economy, that it would purchase up to $500 billion in mortgage-backed securities backed by Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and Ginnie Mae. It raised that target to $1.25 trillion last March. (It’s also buying $175 billion in agency debt.) The Fed’s stated goal: “to reduce the cost and increase the availability of credit for the purchase of houses, which in turn should support housing markets and foster improved conditions in financial markets more generally.” The move lowered mortgage rates by as much as a percentage point and offered new hope for the housing market at a low point.
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What happens next? Even Fed officials would acknowledge a reasonable amount of uncertainty about how the mortgage market will function once its biggest buyer — the central bank — steps aside. Many pension funds, insurers and other institutional investors fled the market once the Fed showed up as a giant noneconomic buyer. (To reach its target, the Fed bought up not only most of the new agency MBS but also existing securities held in portfolios.) As a result, some investors have suggested over the past year that mortgage rates could shoot up by a percentage point as the Fed program ended.
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The expiration of the homebuyer tax credit (for contracts signed by April 30) is likely to lead to new calls for Congress to take action to support the housing market in an election year. Even if credit availability for homebuyers improves over the next year, the rise in mortgage rates could raise new concerns about the sector and put new pressure on the Fed to do more for housing. A first possible step would be to reinvest some of the maturing securities to keep the Fed’s MBS stock from declining. But few central bank officials appear inclined today to support such a move.
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The Fed will have to stop buying MBS because they said they would and they always do what they say (right). That leaves the Treasury to announce that they will directly buy all MBS “for an extended period of time” or some other such nonsense. I am fully convinced the BS will never end.
This is why I’m looking for a good-size leg down in the markets over the coming months. Something visual is needed to justify the next big Fed action, that you know is coming.
True.
They will need to create another crisis for 3 reasons:
1) To get more Bailouts.
2) To expand power and nonsense money-printing programs.
3) To fleece the sheeple who bought into the “Hope and Change” recovery and who are back to assuming that “everything always goes up!!”
4) To distract attention from rooting out and punishing the perpetrators of the financial crisis at Megabank, Inc.
5) To weaken the “Audit the Fed” movement.
Big stock market selloffs also help keep those Treasury yields low without the need for additional QE to get ‘er done.
Yep.
See Japan, for instance. Tons of treasury sales, very little QE, but a stock market that’s in the dump - a level roughly 75% below the 20-years-ago peak.
Nevertheless - the U.S. simply cannot afford to be Japan; we have lots less headroom. Thus in addition to my prediction of upcoming swoon - I will also predict that it will be relatively temporary.
Health care bill extends wage tax to investments.
For the first time, the Medicare payroll tax would be applied to investment income, beginning in 2013.
Go to where the money is. Willy Sutton would be proud.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Health-care-bill-extends-wage-apf-4049779336.html?x=0
Somewhere down the road …
… will income from ROTHs be taxed?
No, they’ll be replaced with a guaranteed annuity
from the government..are you happy now?
That’s another one: you know at some point they have to take the ROTH’s away. But right now, it is such a fun game! People pay taxes and then invest what is left to get “tax free” returns… but you know they’ll find some way to tax those returns so we can pay taxes on the money twice!
“….pay taxes on the money twice.”
Which makes things equal with J6P, who is paying “taxes on the money twice” already.
Question - are these new higher tax rates on $200k/$250k earners indexed for inflation?
Investment income? What’s that?
It’s what people who knew what was coming made tons of in 2009.
(i.e. - not us)
I would like a better defining of investment income . Does that mean anything other than earned income ?
Another conservative for Obama bites the dust.
David Brooks:
Deem and pass? Are you kidding me? Is this what the Revolutionary War was fought for? Is this what the boys on Normandy beach were trying to defend? Is this where we thought we would end up when Obama was speaking so beautifully in Iowa or promising to put away childish things?
Yes, I know Republicans have used the deem and pass technique. It was terrible then. But those were smallish items. This is the largest piece of legislation in a generation and Pelosi wants to pass it without a vote. It’s unbelievable that people even talk about this with a straight face. Do they really think the American people are going to stand for this? Do they think it will really fool anybody if a Democratic House member goes back to his district and says, “I didn’t vote for the bill. I just voted for the amendments.” Do they think all of America is insane?
And:
Yes, my own view may be distorted by the fact that I’m disappointed in the health care bill. But at least I violently opposed the nuclear option when the Republicans tried it a few years ago. I don’t think it is mere partisanship that makes me believe that representatives should have the guts to actually vote for the legislation they want to become law.
Either this whole city has gone insane or I have or both. But I’m out here on the ledge and I’m not coming in the window. In my view this is no longer about health care. It’s just Democrats wanting to pass a bill, any bill, and shredding anything they have to in order to get it done. It’s about taking every sin the Republicans committed when they were busy being corrupted by power and matching it with interest.
You need to distinguish between “nuclear option,” “reconciliation,” and “deem and pass.” Most of the 2600 page HCR bill already has 60 votes in the Senate fair and square no reconciliation needed. Only the few budget fixes (Obama’s 11 pages, I think) are going to go through the reconciliation attempt. So that talking point about “ramming through 17% of the economy” is bunk. There is going to be no “nuclear option” at all.
fwiw, I think deem and pass is a crock. I’m not sure Nancy will need it.
“This is the largest piece of legislation in a generation and Pelosi wants to pass it without a vote. It’s unbelievable that people even talk about this with a straight face. Do they really think the American people are going to stand for this?”
The American people stood for the passage of the unpopular TARP. Why is this so much more terrible?
Don’t forget the Stimulus as well.
But I think this time is different. I would say TARP has awaken many people including me. Sometime I think I was better off being a zombie though.
“God’s work” has its own agenda - that is what I have taken away from all of this. The health-care issue must be so big and important (like the TARP) that it simply must go through even against all logic and reason. Caustic, foul-tasting medicine for society: “It will be good for you”. The stuff they have been giving us lately tastes like cyanide.
The Deem and Pass is just a head fake. Ms Pelosi brought it up to have some fun, and piss off the Glen Beck/Rush wing (main body ?) of the GOP.
Have you been following this at all? I tried to but got lost. My *suspicion* is that they have the votes but for plain HCR. But Obama wants very much to insert the Student Loan provision into the reconciliation fix part of the bill, and Nancy is having trouble finding votes for both privisions from both houses. If I’m right, maybe they could strip the student loan provision if they had to and just pass plain HCR.
This is my understanding (and it is very incomplete and possibly wrong):
Deem and pass is a way to pass more than one piece of legislation with only one vote. Since a bunch of the more conservative dems in the House really really don’t want to vote yes on the Senate version of HCR unless they are absolutely sure that the “fixes” that they want get in under reconcilliation, this was a way to assure that - the fixes get passed with the same vote as the main bill so they are sure they won’t get the main thing without their fixes.
However, the thing is that reconcilliation is only supposed to happen with something that is already at a certain place in the process (this is where I get fuzzy) and they may not have hit that spot yet. So there is a question as to whether the “fixes” bill can be considered a reconcilliation bill when it gets back to the Senate and therefore not be subject to a fillibuster.
I’m still not sure if the Senate would actually fillibuster the fixes part since that would require that they vote against getting rid of the cornhusker Medicaid exception and the language tightening up abortion restrictions, etc. However, the blue dogs want to be sure they can go back to their districts and say they did not vote for something that allows federal funding for abortion (the Senate bill doesn’t actually allow that, but the House wants even more explicit language), so they want the tigher language to be incorporated in just one vote.
Not really as exciting as everyone makes it out to be.
The American people stood for the passage of the unpopular TARP. Why is this so much more terrible?
This bill will cost far, far more than the TARP and the Stimulus combined, in the long run.
And FWIW - I’m not sure “stood for” is correct. The stimulus was overwhelmingly unpopular, and the TARP was much so - only not more than it was at the time because we had the “crisis” bill of goods shoved down our throats.
This bill will cost far, far more than the TARP and the Stimulus combined, in the long run.
I’m not a fan of this bill but TARP and bailouts might cost 23 times more than this health bill’s projected costs. (over 10 years)
And as long as the total outlays don’t go over 17% of GDP as they are now, how will it really “cost more”? When some cost’s go up (more insured) some costs will go down (less outlays for uninsured emergency care and so forth). It’s not like it’s costing nothing now and all of a sudden we’ll have all these “costs” right?
The (health-care) bill will cost $940 billion over 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office, and will cover 32 million Americans who now are uninsured. Greenville Sun
Compare this 940 billion rough estimate to this 23 Trillion rough estimate of the costs of bailouts. (With even more to come?)
U.S. Rescue May Reach $23.7 Trillion, Bloomberg
July 20 (Bloomberg) — U.S. taxpayers may be on the hook for as much as $23.7 trillion to bolster the economy and bail out financial companies, said Neil Barofsky, special inspector general for the Treasury’s Troubled Asset Relief Program.
The Treasury’s $700 billion bank-investment program represents a fraction of all federal support to resuscitate the U.S. financial system, including $6.8 trillion in aid offered by the Federal Reserve, Barofsky said in a report released today.
“TARP has evolved into a program of unprecedented scope, scale and complexity,” Barofsky said in testimony prepared for a hearing tomorrow before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.
Treasury spokesman Andrew Williams said the U.S. has spent less than $2 trillion so far and that Barofsky’s estimates are flawed because they don’t take into account assets that back those programs or fees charged to recoup some costs shouldered by taxpayers.
“These estimates of potential exposures do not provide a useful framework for evaluating the potential cost of these programs,” Williams said. “This estimate includes programs at their hypothetical maximum size, and it was never likely that the programs would be maxed out at the same time.”
Barofsky’s estimates include $2.3 trillion in programs offered by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., $7.4 trillion in TARP and other aid from the Treasury and $7.2 trillion in federal money for Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, credit unions, Veterans Affairs and other federal programs.
Certainly the sum total of all the bailouts, Fed money, etc. is greater, but we were specifically talking about the Oct. 2008 TARP bill (projected cost is currently $117 Billion) and the Feb. 2009 Stimulus bill (projected cost $800+ Billion I believe now).
Health care’s projected cost is roughly the same - but only over the next 10 years, with the majority only being in the final 4 years. Make no mistake - $940 will be found to be a gross underestimation - much like most federal social programs (e.g. Medicare, SS, etc.) have been underestimated in the past. Also $940 only includes the first 5 years of costs - not the ongoing $200+ Billion per year costs after that.
Well, technically the American people were vastly against TARP.
Unfortunately, since we don’t have anyone representing us in Congress, it passed (with added bribes - I mean, added pork!)
Perhaps more unfortunately, those who passed the TARP Bailout got to stay in power in nearly all cases.
“…It’s about taking every sin the Republicans committed when they were busy being corrupted by power…”
Geez, they cut taxes solely for the wealthy while preemptively starting x1 foreign WAR, in-the-meantime they still are fighting yet another foreign WAR x2…. and he’s angry at a domestic health reform bill? What’s he thinking…all that tax money is going to go “over-seas” ?
They don’t care where it goes, they are just angry that it’s not going to them.
I’m observing nicer, newer, more substantial shacks hitting both GSE and private label REO lists. I can only imagine how these are going to eviscerate the price structure of entry level houses, both REO and non-REO. Most of it the nice stuff is grossly inflated but keep in mind it’s just hitting the market.
I haven’t been around here much. My dwindling available time dedicated to the net has pretty much been smacking down the Lying Realtors on Marketwatch but I confess that MrsExeter and I actually engaged the “services” of one these thugs and looked at a house. I have to admit that dealing with a realtor is challenging for me after 8 years of feeling utter contempt and rage for them. My behavior and language is appropriate but very firm. Anyways, we only looked at a house(REO) and I like it ALOT. However, I haven’t nor do I have any plans to make an offer. Time is on my side combined with the knowledge I’ve soaked up here(and some hardship gained wisdom) leads me to a point where I can confidently and maturely say if it sells to someone else then so be it. I even stated that the the used house sales-lady when she attempted to start that sense of urgency game that worked so well for them for years. Actually, my precise words were “we’ll if you have a buyer at that price, you better sell it in a hurry” during conversations preceding the showing of the house. We left Sunday afternoon with the position of “we’ll be in touch”. She emailed me Wednesday with the words “Just touching base, nice meeting you, hope you’re enjoying the warm weather”. My reply? “It was a pleasure meeting you too and we’re ready for the beach”. Not a word about the house. It’s empowering I guess. Although I really really like the shack, I don’t NEED it. Considering it’s been on the market since early last Semptember with no price changes, my sense is to make a 50% offer if and when I’m ready. The realtard already knows my fundamental position on everything so I’m sure she won’t be surprised.
By the way, some realturds accept a gratuity…. and some don’t.
Hey exeter, I too don’t have the time to post on my favorite blog like I used to but I confess that my wife and I took the plunge and bought a house a few months back.
We were in a fortunate position where I bought my current property before the bubble exploded and I didn’t HELOC or any crud like that so I managed to get a good check at closing.
This coupled with low rates, the tax credit and a nice divorcing couple that were desperate to sell before foreclosure proceedings began on them (which led a nice price significantly below town appraisal) made us take the plunge.
The nice thing is the sale was FSBO and no realturds were involved. The buyer of our property used a buyers agent but I was pretty tough with her and pretty much got my asking price. By she was actually quite nice and helpful. The world has a space for good realtors….alas there are far too many of them and not a lot of good ones.
Well….. my position is this…… My max number is a price that I can sell it for the day after I buy it….. with *confidence*. I’m an all-cash buyer only as it incentivizes the sale for the seller. If I could find some ultra-cheap financing (<2%) I might consider it IF the sell side didn’t care about cash or not. Further, I waive all seller enticements/incentives contingent upon acceptance of my initial cash offer. Based on the fact the place has been on the market for 7+ months with no price reductions, the odds are in my favor that the sell side will accept or at least counter with a reasonable number. I can honestly say I don’t give a flying rats ass about the place *at a number greater than 60% of asking*. It’s just not worth the money. It really is that simple.
IIRC, you’re in VT?
You betcha!
blech. I feel for you.
I don’t work for Redfin, but they do an good job and rebate you 1/2 of the buyer’s commision (1/4 of total comission). They have raging reviews, and they get paid differently than the reg biz. If they’re in your area, and you’ll do some of the real work, they might be a match. The were the good side of the DOJ case.
The=They
good=for the consumer to have transparency
Somewhat like California or New Jersey going to the IMF. And the IMF will attach their own strings…
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The Greece Bailout Is Falling Apart
The Business Insider, March 19, 2010:
The Greek premiere is now threatening to go to the IMF for help if the Eurozone won’t come up with hard bail out numbers soon.
These are pretty tough words for someone asking for money:
Telegraph:
“We have the worst of the IMF and none of the advantages. This is where Europe must come in and provide what the IMF can offer. Or Greece will have to go to the IMF. We hope that will not be necessary,” he said.
“I prefer a European solution as part of the eurozone, to show the world that Europe can act together. This is not to ask for money
but to have an instrument on the table to stop the speculation. We expect the EU to live up to the challenge facing it. We are a eurozone country,” he said.
Some believe Greece can borrow money more cheaply from the IMF than from Europe.
Sources in Washington say Greece can expect to borrow from the IMF at around 3.25pc. While the EU has not specified its own terms, the Eurogroup said this week that any help would come at a punitive rate above the borrowing costs for other EU states, suggesting a rate of 4pc to 5pc.
So what’s the problem? Why might Europe be scared into caving to Greek demands? Because if Greece goes to the IMF, some believe credibility in the euro would be shattered since it would be seen as unable or unwilling to support its member countries when in trouble. Thus Mr. Papandreou is playing a game of chicken he thinks he can win.
Since the IMF would be subsidizing these bonds, and we’re part of the IMF, are the US taxpayers bailing Greece out?
For every IMF dollar given to the Greeks the debt exposure by country would be as follows (rounded):
USA 17%
Japan 6%
Germany 6%
UK 5%
France 5%
China 4%
Italy 3%
Saudi Arabia 3%
Canada 3%
Russia 3%
Netherlands 2%
Belgium 2%
India 2%
Switzerland 2%
Australia 2%
Mexico 2%
Spain 1%
Brazil 1%
South Korea 1%
Venezuela 1%
Remaining 166 countries 29%
So yes, US taxpayers will become liable for 17% of $30 billion of Greek debt with more Greek liabilities on the way. Please contact your Republicrat representatives and express your sincere thanks for what they are doing to bail out Greece at our expense, on top of all the other bailouts they’ve foisted on us.
I’m sur ethe Mexicans and Brazilians are thrilled to help bail out “first world” Greece.
Wonder how much Iceland is going to pitch in?
Why isn’t this a bigger deal? If they get support from the EU, the EU will then be on the hook for all other troubled countries, right? Savaging the Euro? And if they go to the IMF, the EU will have shown it’s unwilling to do what it takes to support member countries, savaging the Euro?
It seems we’re acting like this wouldn’t impact US markets at all. Or is there logic showing this would be beneficial beyond a simple rise in exports?
Time to plan that trip to Italy?
The economic game of mass destruction we’ve been playing is killing the small countries and if you kill enough of them, the feedback can kill you as well.
Second, the international banking system is so inbred, intertwined and corrupt that nobody really knows where the land mines and booby traps are buried anymore.
I fell the same way about Greece as I do the banks: screw ‘em. But unfortunately, it’s a MAD situation. (mutually assured destruction)
At least somebody is trying to look beyond the present and plan for looming future challenges.
Knocking on the Central Bank’s Door
Thomas M. Hoenig
President
Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City
Peterson-Pew Commission on Budget Reform Policy Forum
Washington, D.C.
February 16, 2010
Thank you for the opportunity to join you today, both to attend and to participate in this event on a topic of some urgency. The United States is moving into an era in which government finance is taking center
stage. Fiscal measures taken to bring the economy out of recession, mounting longer-term liabilities for Social Security and Medicare, and other growing demands placed on the federal government have invited a massive buildup of government debt now and over the next several
years. Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projections have the federal debt reaching an unsustainable level of two to five times our total national income within the next 50 years, which leads us to an inescapable conclusion—U.S. fiscal policy must focus on reducing this debt buildup and its consequences.
In managing our nation’s debt going forward, it strikes me that we have only three options.
- First, the worst choice for our long-term stability, but perhaps the easiest option in the face of short-term political pressures: We can knock on the central bank’s door and request or demand that it “print” money to buy the swelling amounts of government debt.
- Second, perhaps more tolerable politically, although damaging to our economy: We can do nothing so long as domestic and foreign markets are willing to fund our borrowing needs at inevitably higher interest rates.
- Or third, the most difficult and probably the least palatable politically: We can act now to implement programs that reduce spending and increase revenues to a more sustainable level.
I recognize that this last option involves hard choices and short-term pain. However, in my view it is the responsible path to sustainable economic growth with price stability. The alternative options inevitably lead to financial crisis and greater long-run losses in national
income and wealth.
The question of what combination of spending and revenue actions the country might choose is the purview of Congress and the executive branch. As a central banker, it is my responsibility to anticipate and avoid the consequences that an unchecked expansion of the debt
may have on monetary policy. It is a fact that the current outlook for fiscal policy poses a threat to the Federal Reserve’s ability to achieve its dual objectives of price stability and maximum sustainable long-term growth, and therefore is a threat to its independence as well.
The founders of the Federal Reserve understood this conflict. They understood that placing the printing press with the power to spend was a formula for fiscal and financial disaster. Aware of this danger, they designed our central bank to be responsible for stable prices and long term growth, and they gave it a degree of independence so that it could carry out this mandate. The goal of policy cannot be to “just get through” the current challenge, but rather to rebuild the foundation of a stable and prosperous economy, looking to our nation’s long-term future. It is in this context that I appreciate this opportunity to address what I see as our emerging fiscal challenges.
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Or third, the most difficult and probably the least palatable politically: We can act now to implement programs that reduce spending and increase revenues to a more sustainable level.
He’s a witch!
A WITCH!!
Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projections have the federal debt reaching an unsustainable level of two to five times our total national income within the next 50 years, which leads us to an inescapable conclusion
Excuse me - what?
The Federal Government’s debt is already 5.6 times its income now. Not 50 years from now - but now.
I think they’re referring to to the federal debt as a percentage of GDP - but that’s apples and orange, because only a small portion of GDP is federal. Apples to apples would be to compare total debt (public and private) to GDP. That would be 3.5 times income (including financial sector debt) right now.
I love how these guys try to paint a “sky is falling” picture, but use stats that are just wrong, in that the stats don’t actually indicate that the sky is falling - when in reality it is falling.
“…the stats don’t actually indicate that the sky is falling - when in reality it is falling.”
They wouldn’t want to spark a financial panic, even though we already are in the middle of one.
Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projections have the federal debt reaching an unsustainable level of two to five times our total national income within the next 50 years, which leads us to an inescapable conclusion—U.S. fiscal policy must focus on reducing this debt buildup and its consequences.
I think our debt is going to be dealt with the same way poor countries deal with environmental resource issues - continuing to destroy the resource right now because the payoffs are so high and the costs are hidden in the future and perceived not to be certain.
There was a vote at a world body to allow bluefin tuna fishing to continue unabated. The bluefin is going to be fished to virtual extinction if not complete extinction. Then there will be collapse of the markets the various countries are trying to protect. And they’ll deal with it then. I think the same will occur with our profligacy and debt. One tuna can fetch more than a 100,000 USD. Similar value exist to politicians in deficit spending.
“Yes, I know Republicans have used the deem and pass technique. It was terrible then. But those were smallish items.”
Yes, they were only a little pregnant. Well, that’s what happens when you start down a slippery slope, it turns into a big slide. Like torture.
“One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.” Plato.
Yeah - It should be alot of fun when the republicans ban abortions by “deem and pass” - should be even more fun watching the progressive whine and cry about procedures…
Then on to tort reform, destroying unions, gutting environmental laws - I hope the dems know the can of worms they are opening,
They retardicans already destroyed unions via offshoring and gutted environmental laws.
The gop threats are getting more lame by the minute.
Yup Shrub was responsible for NAFTA and Clinton had nothing to do with it.
The manufacturing offshoring heyday was the 1980’s. Case in point? GE
You are correct basura. Surprise!
“Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1991 between the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. The agreement then needed to be ratified by each nation’s legislative or parliamentary branch.
Before the negotiations were finalized, Bill Clinton came into office in the U.S. and Kim Campbell in Canada, and before the agreement became law, Jean Chrétien had taken office in Canada.”
Wikipedia
It should be alot of fun when the republicans ban abortions
It will never happen, this is their best money maker. It gets the troops angry. They had a great opportunity to do it in the past without deem and pass and didn’t.
It should be alot of fun when the republicans ban abortions
…and grandfather in past abortionist as “murders-before-current-law” with a complete list of names.
You summed up the limousine conservatives in this country pretty good. These people (Brooks, Noonan, Buckley’s kid, etc) mainly voted for male bimbo bacause they didn’t like the female bimbo and they compalin that he isn’t what they thought.
To be fair to Obama, he’s doing exactly what he said he would do during the elections. Doesn’t mean he is right but at least he seems more honest and consistent than all the conservatives and republicans combined.
To be fair to Obama, he’s doing exactly what he said he would do during the elections. Doesn’t mean he is right but at least he seems more honest and consistent than all the conservatives and republicans combined.
ROTFLMAO…
Are you SERIOUS?
This may go down as the most amazing post in the history of the HBB.
“To be fair to Obama, he’s doing exactly what he said he would do during the elections”
There is clearly a massive self-delusion bubble.
Do not question followers of “the one”.
He can do no wrong.
Don’t you remember all the campaign speeches and TV commercials on nationalizing GM and the health care industry? Of ramping up the war in Afghanistan? Of bankrupting America to support the banks?
You didn’t? One day you will. Who do you think writes the history books?
Indeed, the Prophet of Change is in the process of changing many things… too bad that they are not for the better!
So, how about that Health Care Bill that’s been posted online, reviewed completely, televised debates on C-Span… oh, right… nevermind…
Oh please.
Go back and read his campaign speeches. Obama ran as hard leftist and for whatever reasons fools thought he was a centrist.
1. He said Afghanistan was a good war, including Pakistan.
2. Distribute the wealth.
3. Single payer healthcare
4. So on and on.
All his proposals and policies are geared towards making US more socialistic one step at a time and he’s succeding.
We’re already socialistic… for the rich.
The rest of us get no-holds-barred capitalism.
Remember, what’s good for the goose is good for gander. Others have lost their heads forgetting this axiom.
maybe time to bring capitalism to the rich???
Due to changes in my job ( good ones, mostly ), I’m assuming a greater workload so unfortunately I’m not able to spend as much perusing the interesting posts and articles on this blog. I’m lucky if I get to look at it once a week. That being said, it still gives me quite a bit to think about whenever I do read it. All of the houses that were foreclosed on in our neighborhood have now been flipped, bought, or otherwise occupied. I’ve been quite amazed that there are no empties around us, after several years of having 7-8 unoccupied ones within a couple of blocks of us at all times. Our medical office hasn’t really generated any traffic, which isn’t surprising given the current state of the economy. We’ve had some talkers wanting to “rent” it, but we’re not really interested in that scenario. We’ll see what happens in the long run. It’s in pristine condition now, and leasing it would just scuff it up and make us have to have parts repainted, for very little monthly profit. Have a good weekend, e-1.
I just got a letter form Morgan Stanley smith barney that says they’ve just gotten into the HELOC market and they’d like to offer me one up to $2.5 million. Congrats to them for jumping in at such a wonderful time for real estate in this country.
This is a step in the right direction for the CA state taxing authorities. If they really want to get serious, I suggest they tighten the rules on property tax deadbeats, threatening to quickly seize properties with absentee owners who don’t pay taxes. They could thereby acquire and resell residential housing at affordable prices, enabling young families who will comprise CA’s future workforce to get a foothold in local housing markets. Absentee landlords who don’t pay their taxes are nothing but parasites; they should be plucked out of the economy like ticks off a dog’s hide.
Out-of-state property owners tax being enforced
By Roger Showley, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
Thursday, March 18, 2010 at 5:58 p.m.
INCOME TAX WITHHOLDING
Information about the state’s requirement to withhold taxes for rental income is available from the Franchise Tax Board in publication 1017. Call (888) 792-4900 or go to ftb.ca.gov
Come Wednesday, property managers throughout California will be required to pay the state 7 percent of rental proceeds to cover out-of-state owners’ estimated income taxes — a nearly 50-year-old requirement that is now being enforced as the state struggles with billions of dollars in budget deficits.
In response, managers have been frantically contacting owners to get their legally required consent to pay the tax, or they will find themselves in a no-win situation. State law would take away the managers’ real estate licenses if the consent is not given, yet a conflicting law requires them to pay the tax or face fines and jail time.
“I think it is ridiculous for a professional to have to choose between violating the real estate law or revenue law in the event their owner chooses not to authorize the withholding,” said June Barlow, general counsel of the California Association of Realtors.
State officials shrugged their shoulders when asked about the conflict, saying the best solution is to stop managing a property until the owner offers consent.
“If the (property) owner does not give the authorization, there’s not a whole lot the property manager can do if he wants to stay out of the cross hairs of the Franchise Tax Board,” said Tom Poole, spokesman for the Department of Real Estate.
Brenda Voet, spokeswoman for the tax board, which administers the state’s income tax collection system, said her agency is not concerned with what Poole’s department believes.
“For us, it’s a tax matter,” Voet said. “They are the withholding agent and from our perspective, that’s what the relationship is.”
Voet said the budget deficit did not prompt the clarification of state withholding law, which has been on the books since 1951. She said it’s just one of the periodic reviews of how tax laws are being followed.
“We realized a lot of real estate is owned by non-California residents,” she said.
She said there are no estimates of how many property owners and managers are affected or how much money the state stands to collect.
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Dick Bove: Housing Market Will Fall 10%-15% When Fed Stops Subsidizing Home Prices
Posted Mar 19 ~ Henry Blodget in Recession, Housing
For the past year, the Fed has been buying mortgage-backed securities in an effort to keep mortgage rates low and provide some support to the housing market. On March 31, the Fed says, it will stop buying mortgage-backed securities.
So what will happen to mortgage rates and house prices?
No one knows, says Dick Bove, the wise and fearless analyst at Rochdale Securities.
No one knows what mortgage rates would be if the Fed weren’t subsidizing them. No one knows where house prices would be if the Treasury and other government agencies weren’t modifying mortgages and trying to bail homeowners out. No one knows what would happen if taxpayers weren’t funding tens of billions of dollars of losses at bankrupt Fannie and Freddie to provide yet another housing subsidy.
Even if the Fed stops buying mortgage-backed securities at the end of March, Bove says, some of the impact of the subsidy will still be felt through June. Also, for a while at least, Fannie and Freddie will continue to buy mortgages. So there won’t likely be a sudden change to the housing market or mortgage rates.
Over the longer term, though, we’ll begin to find out where house prices would be if the housing market were less subsidized. And Dick Bove expects that that level is 10%-15% below today’s prices.
“Housing Market Will Fall 10%-15% When Fed Stops Subsidizing Home Prices”
Why would anyone who believed this also believe the Fed will stop subsidizing home prices without another federal government program to replace their efforts?
North Texas home foreclosures hit new record monthly high
Dallas Business Journal
North Texas home foreclosure postings rose to a new record monthly high with 6,168 foreclosure notices filed for the upcoming April auction.
The total surpassed the previous monthly record set in July of last year, when 6,072 postings were recorded against area homes, according to Addison-based Foreclosure Listing Service Inc.
The statistics reflect filings in Dallas, Tarrant, Collin and Denton counties.
Posting activity for last July and for the upcoming April auctions marked the only time in history that Dallas-Fort Worth home postings topped 6,000 per month.
“Monthly postings have been on the high side for some time now,” said George Roddy Sr., president of Foreclosure Listing Service. “In 11 of the past 13 months, posting activity has surpassed 5,000 foreclosure filings per month.”
Roddy said he expects home foreclosure postings to continue at a high rate.
In Houston, sales dropped, then prices a rose a little, then both sales and prices started dropping again.
Slowly for sure, but inexorably.
Wonder what CAT will do once they pass moonbat sickness care this Sunday? Looking good for the over seas factories.
Caterpillar: Health care bill would cost it $100M
Dow Jones Newswires | Caterpillar Inc. said the health-care overhaul legislation being considered by the U.S. House of Representatives would increase the company’s health-care costs by more than $100 million in the first year alone.
In a letter Thursday to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio, Caterpillar urged lawmakers to vote against the plan “because of the substantial cost burdens it would place on our shareholders, employees and retirees.”
Caterpillar, the world’s largest construction machinery manufacturer by sales, said it’s particularly opposed to provisions in the bill that would expand Medicare taxes and mandate insurance coverage. The legislation would require nearly all companies to provide health insurance for their employees or face large fines.
The Peoria-based company said these provisions would increase its insurance costs by at least 20 percent, or more than $100 million, just in the first year of the health-care overhaul program.
Everyday this bill sounds like Hillary 2 and worse…..Maybe Hillary’s original health plan in 94 wasn’t such a bad deal after all…
Damn those “over-paid” middle-class American workers…Hello China & South Carolina!
In 1992, Caterpillar fought the United Auto Workers in a five-month strike, threatening to replace its entire unionized work force. Caterpillar had offered a contract that would have raised the salary of top workers to $39,000 in 1994 from $35,000. But the union was seeking the same top wage of $40,000 that was paid workers at Deere & Company in 1994.
Caterpillar’s response to these labor conflicts was to “farm out” much of its parts production and warehouse work to outside firms: Rather than fighting the union, Caterpillar has made itself less vulnerable to the tools traditionally available to organized workers. Caterpillar also made effective use of office staff during the disputes, suspending research and development work to send thousands of engineers and others into their factories to fill in for striking or locked out union members.
Caterpillar also embarked on its “southern strategy,” opening new small plants, termed “focus facilities”, in right to work states such as North Carolina (Clayton and Sanford), South Carolina (Greenville), Mississippi (Corinth), Tennessee (Dyersburg), Georgia (Griffin LaGrange), Texas (Seguin), and Arkansas (North Little Rock), where labor laws provide more protection for workers not wanting to join unions.
This is why jobs move offshore.
This is why jobs move offshore.
Therefore a single-payer system would bolster our capitalistic job-base.
As the over-40 set are (voluntarily or not) migrated into the “self-employed/independent contractor” class, and find out that health insurance is either:
-unavailable, or
-costs a fortune (that most of us won’t have)
While the twenty-somethings see their “inheritances” and “job mobility being sacrificed upon the altar of the “free-market” medical/insurance cartel.
a “socialist” “single-payer” system will become more attractive
Yep they move the jobs offshore, lower everybody’s wages and then wonder why the 75% consumer driven economy is having problems.
Real smart move.
If this recession doesn’t create some serious reforms (which is not very likely) then I can guarantee you the next one will make this one seem like a picnic.
I’ve been a working adult through 5 recessions and they just get worse each time and J6P is always worse off afterwards.
Eventually the rising vector of prices has to cross the falling vector of wages and that will be the end of us. Don’t think you’ll escape unscathed, either.
Nah, it will just be a very hard shift to the left. The right is good at making money, not good enough to keep it though.
It seems one school of thought believes society exists to support business. Another school believes business exists to support society.
I’m probably closer to the latter school. Businesses which obviously damage society aren’t allowed (Mafia rackets and the like).
Earl Grey’s seen his day?
Will Health Care Reform Kill The Tea Party? - Mother Jones article 3/19/10
http://coffeeparty.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978115420
During the Tea Party protests on Capitol Hill this week, conservative activists warned that if Congress manages to pass health care legislation, their movement would become more formidable than ever. Mark Meckler, a national coordinator for the Tea Party Patriots—one of the larger and better-organized national groups—predicted that if the bill passes, “the tea party movement will double in size almost instantaneously.”
But far from fueling the tea partiers’ cause, a sweeping new health care law could suck the air right out of their movement. Many tea party activists have a lot to gain from reform—because their ranks are dominated by aging baby boomers.
(The Article then goes on to list some of the plans benefits to aging boomers)
Given facts like that, it’s easy to see why Tea Party leaders might be more than a little nervous about the health care bill passing. Despite their predictions to the contrary, it won’t be the end of the world as
they know it—just possibly the end of their movement. Stephanie Mencimer is a staff reporter in Mother Jones’ Washington bureau.
The bigger question is what would the coffee party people do without tea party?
Tea party as political movement has already fizzled. But don’t underestimate the anger and frustration people have with rulling class. The anger has a lot higher to go before it peaks.
The MSM is doing its best to hype the tea party, who, in actuality, are nothing.
This is a perfect example of the MSM trying to create controversy instead of reporting news.
Employment slips in 100 biggest markets
Business First of Buffalo
Private-sector employment declined in January in all of America’s 100 biggest labor markets, according to figures released Friday by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Los Angeles suffered the worst decline in raw numbers, losing 226,100 private-sector jobs between January 2009 and the same month this year. Wichita was hit with the worst drop in percentage terms, falling 7.7 percent during the past 12 months.
Buffalo did better than most major metros. Its year-to-year loss of 7,600 private-sector jobs ranked 23rd on a list that ran from the smallest to the biggest declines. And its percentage loss of 1.7 percent was the fifth-smallest in the nation.
Two markets joined Los Angeles with six-figure declines in private-sector employment. The New York City area lost 206,500 jobs, and Chicago lost 176,500.
This event is a meat grinder. And pol hacks think they can time it!
Buffalo did better than most major metros. Its year-to-year loss of 7,600 private-sector jobs ranked 23rd on a list that ran from the smallest to the biggest declines. And its percentage loss of 1.7 percent was the fifth-smallest in the nation.
After decades of dwindling prospects, only the hardiest folk remain in places like Buffalo.
Cheery thought for the day:
Stockton has been named the second most miserable city in America and the most obese, according to ABC News.
The New Math: I keep seeing ads and e-mails from my Friendly Neighborhood Realtor® for “10% down, no PMI” specials on his overpriced condo inventory. A new SFH (on the market for more than a year) around the corner from me has the same deal posted out front.
Anybody else seeing this kind of promotion? Is it a variation of the ol’ second loan plan we saw during the bubble, a softening of standards, or something else?
What I am seeing is big FHA banners hanging from nearly every overpriced vacant condo building I pass. I though FHA loans were to go towards “little pink houses”, not overpriced apartments?
http://www.rollcall.com/news/44375-1.html
McCain lapdog and RINO Lindsey Graham joins Chuckie Schumer in unveiling a “comprehensive immigration reform” package that includes a “path to citizenship” for millions of illegals. The Dems pick up a vast new entitlements-for-votes demographic while Graham’s corporate cartel masters get legal wage slaves. Who pays the social and entitlement costs? I’ll leave it to you to figure that out.
Until they decide to secure the border, all this talk about immigration reform is just political kabuki.
Looks like we have even more fat kids… Perhaps moonbat care can fix that.
U.S. kids even fatter than believed
Study: Many face chronic health problems, shorter life spans.
WASHINGTON ~ MSNBC - Extreme obesity among American children is much worse than previously believed, putting them at greater risk of serious health problems as they age, U.S. researchers said on Thursday.
A study of more than 700,000 children and teens in southern California found that more than 6 percent, or 45,000, were extremely obese and more boys than girls were far too heavy, the researchers reported in the Journal of Pediatrics.
“This study is unique because it is the first time that we’ve had a large up-to-date snapshot of what’s happening with obesity in our children,” co-author Dr. Amy Porter of Kaiser Permanente health care system said in a video statement.
“The prevalence of obesity in children is much higher than we ever thought it was” Porter said. She said the study also showed that extreme obesity was rising in almost every group.
Knock out the corn subsidy and limit food stamps to government-run stores. Try it for a couple years and see what happens…
Ha! Try that and you’ll see what power the lobbying segment can bring to bear.
Kids take after their parents.
The slow steady jobs migration over seas is bound to keep right on growing…
BUSINESS: Powerwave closing plant in Estonia
The Daily Times • March 19, 2010
SANTA ANA, Calif. — Powerwave Technologies, the wireless component maker that closed a Salisbury facility in 2008, is closing a plant in Estonia and moving production to India and Thailand, according to an electronics industry Web site.
Evertiq reports that the move, which will happen in June, will result in 150 layoffs.
Powerwave had acquired the Salisbury plant when it bought a division of Filtronic Comtek in 2006.
While I’m on a a “medical-insurance cartel” rant…….
Can someone in the medical establishment please explain to me why 20 people always seem to be in the emergency room on all the “reality in the emergency room” medical shows?
Like most construction sites I’ve seen, it looks like (at best) half the people on site are actually doing something, while the other half are just standing around “just in case” or because they don’t have anything else to do.
In my line of work, the “just in case/nothing to do” crowd was laid off in about 1992.
It can take up to ten people working on one if its a bad trauma.
They are always prepared for a resonable “worst case” scenario - 3 to 4 bad injuries in a car accident coming in at the same time. Not needed very often, but they don’t want the one time they need that much capacity to be when the Mayor’s kid fell off his bike.
Also, they can roll the costs of having that many excess people sitting around into the prices they charge insurance/Medicare/etc.
That is why it costs $2000 to get stiches.
Exactly.
Hey look! Green shoots:
Universal Orlando attendance falls 12 percent
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/os-universal-orlando-attendance-20100319,0,6142153.story
I wonder how many people have put off their trips waiting for the Harry Potter section to open?
Then they’ll be impossible to count, behind their invisibility cloaks.
my guess is revenue is off by 20% then.
“Voters always grouse, but they do not rebel. This is assumed by Congress.” ~Dr. Gary North
In case you were worried about loing out on your >400K dream home
March 19 (Bloomberg) — The spread between rates for conforming and so-called jumbo mortgages signals the housing market will be restrained for some time.
The CHART OF THE DAY graphs the difference between rates on 30-year mortgages of less than $417,000, called conforming loans, and non-conforming mortgages of the same maturity using data from Bankrate.com. While the spread narrowed over the past year, the average 30-year rate on a jumbo mortgage is about 80 basis points higher. A basis point is 0.01 percentage point.
Before July 2007 during the housing boom, the difference was about 20 basis points. After a record number of foreclosures and two years of job losses, banks have been hesitant to make home loans, especially jumbo mortgages not backed by Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac.
The spread “absolutely means it’s more difficult for people who own those more expensive homes to sell them and less desirable for homebuilders to build those types of homes,” said Nigel Gault, chief U.S. economist at IHS Global Insight in Lexington, Massachusetts.
Brian Bethune, Gault’s colleague, said rates for both conforming and non-conforming loans may rise when the Federal Reserve ends its $1.43 trillion mortgage debt purchase program this month. “I’m not really convinced the credit markets and the housing market are strong enough to withstand” that, Bethune said.
Here’s just a little more change for the ones that think you can get something for nothing.The cry of it’s not fair will be heard far and wide!
Loan aid leads to drop in credit scores.
Many homeowners angry that program carries hefty penalty.
WASHINGTON~ MSNBC - Some homeowners who sign up for the government’s mortgage assistance program are getting a nasty surprise: lower credit scores.
For borrowers who are making their payments on time but are on the verge of default, the Obama administration’s loan modification program can reduce their credit score as much as 100 points. That makes it harder to get a loan and can present a problem when applying for a new job.
Housing counselors say it’s unfair, especially because the news often comes as a surprise to homeowners.
“Some homeowners who sign up for the government’s mortgage assistance program are getting a nasty surprise: lower credit scores.”
There is still no such thing as a free lunch.
Unless one was a Megabank exec.
“That makes it harder to get a loan and can present a problem when applying for a new job.”
It SHOULD be harder to get a new loan when you didn’t quite manage to pay off your last one under the original agreed upon terms. Jeesh. The entitlement mentality lives on…
Damn right.
Senate to remove “backdoor bailouts” from bill
ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The U.S. Senate Banking Committee will remove a provision from the financial reform bill that bank regulator Sheila Bair said could allow for “backdoor bailouts,” a panel spokeswoman said on Friday.
Sheila Bair, chairman of the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp, told a conference of community bankers earlier on Friday that the agency had “serious concerns” about a provision in the bill that seems to allow the Federal Reserve to rescue Wall Street firms if their functions were critical to the markets.
That provision will be removed in an amendment as the Senate Banking Committee debates the draft bill, committee spokeswoman Kirstin Brost told Reuters.
“If the Congress accomplishes anything this year, it should be to clearly and completely end ‘too big to fail,’” Bair said at a conference of the Independent Community Bankers of America.
Bair said small banks deserve an even playing field and that larger institutions are still enjoying benefits from an implicit government guarantee.
She said the largest banks have much lower funding costs than community banks and are attracting more deposits.
“These signs all point to a presumption in the marketplace that the largest banks are, indeed, too big to fail,” Bair said.
Russia to drill for oil in Gulf of Mexico while U.S. is going “Green”
The Jersey Journal
BPdrill.jpgAP photoBP oil rig is located in Gulf of Mexico, 250 miles south of Houston.While the United States is planning for alternative energy and considering a ban on offshore oil drilling, Russian oil platforms will go up in our backyard thanks to an offshore oil production deal with the Cuban government.
An editorial by The Washington Times chastises the Obama administration for wearing “green eyeshades” as the Russians extend their sphere of influence into the Western Hemisphere. While the United States is willing to spend time trying reach an energy utopia, Russia views oil as strategically important and as a part of an overall energy picture.
Oil is there and Russia will get it.
With huge deficits, a lack of jobs, and rising energy costs, is the Obama administration wrong in shunning the evil carbon emissions, as The Times concludes?
My car gets 50mpg >2x the average, my electric car burns no oil. Conservation has a much greater potential to reduce our energy imports than does domestic drilling. That being said, I’m all for drilling in the gulf. Of course I don’t live there.
FWIW: How many people do live 250 miles into the Gulf of Mexico - other than oil platform workers?
Unfortunately it’s a classic “Tragedy of the Commons” case.
We’re damned if we do (we’ll contribute to global warming through our carbon emissions), and we’re damned if we don’t (we’ll get global warming anyhow due to other countries’ emissions - though perhaps more slowly, but slam our own economy as well).
Is this article trying to suggest that US firms aren’t drilling in the Gulf? It sounds like manufactured outrage for political reasons to me.
It is.
Yeah, if the Russians can do it, why can’t American companies. Is it that American entrepreneurs are just too lazy? Stoopid?
Or do they know that the oil is too expensive to suck out at those locations?
Didn’t Russia recently claim the north pole as Russian territory? I think the US should claim the Gulf of Mexico, and blow up their drilling platform.
This story looks interesting. I am sure there is much more to tell beyond the details of why Lehman was allowed to fail when almost every other Megabank got bail. For instance, why did Main Street get the shaft after Wall Street Megabanks got loaned boatloads of helicopter money at zero percent?
Time to make more popcorn?
March 19, 2010, 2:29 p.m. EDT
Fed loses legal appeal; must disclose bailout details
Fed is considering its options for reconsideration or appeal to Supreme
By Ronald D. Orol, MarketWatch
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The Federal Reserve will be required to identify the names of banks that could have collapsed if not for the central bank’s emergency lending, a federal appeals court said Friday.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in New York ruled that the Fed needs to disclose documents in response to Freedom of Information Act requests by Bloomberg L.P. and other news organizations.
The Federal Reserve is considering its options after the decision.
“We are reviewing the decision and considering our options for reconsideration or appeal,” said Fed spokeswoman Barbara Hagenbaugh.
What Did Lehman’s Fuld Know?
The 2,200-page report on why Lehman Bros. failed, unsealed last week, may open the door to lawsuits against the former management, Alistair Barr reports.
The Federal Reserve may seek to have the court re-hear their case or consider appealing the decision to the Supreme Court.
The news organizations filed a suit in 2008 seeking to have the central bank publicly release documents containing data about the names of the banks that have participated in its lending programs in the midst of the financial crisis.
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The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in New York ruled that the Fed needs to disclose documents in response to Freedom of Information Act requests by Bloomberg L.P. and other news organizations.
I hope we see some real information as a result of this ruling soon. Kudos to Bloomberg News and other news outfits (including Fox) that filed the FOIA requests and followed through.
Transparency is good.
What happened around 10a EST today to send the hope builders’ share prices into a tailspin?
News of India raising rates.
Palm shares may hit $0: Analysts
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Palm’s future already looked bleak. But after reporting worse than expected results for the third quarter Thursday, some analysts think the company’s stock is now essentially worthless.
Shares of Palm (PALM) plunged 19% to $4.59 a share early Friday, a new 52-week low. Investors are becoming increasingly pessimistic about the company’s future and several analysts downgraded their positions on the stock to “sell.” Two analysts even lowered their price targets to $0.
Palm’s Pre smartphone has failed to live up to expectations. Some analysts question how much longer the company can survive.
In its quarterly earnings report Thursday, Palm posted a loss of 61 cents per share, substantially missing the 43-cent loss expected by analysts.
While the company touted its high volume of shipments, analysts are worried that major carriers such as Verizon (VZ, Fortune 500) and Sprint (S, Fortune 500) just haven’t been able to get Palm’s phones off their shelves.
Morgan Joseph & Co. analyst Ilya Grozovsky, one of the two analysts to cut its price target on Palm shares to $0, said “Palm is essentially an accelerating death spiral.”
I’m surprised they haven’t already. Palm shoulda been the current Apple. Instead, Apple became the former Palm.
Palm got killed by the big intellectual property infringement lawsuit by RIM.
Palm was already behind the curve before the Pre arrived even though they were arguably the pacesetters years ago. And they lack the diversification of many other smartphone manufacturers.
I’m afraid death spiral sounds about right …
One “crisis” to the next…
Quick, hurry up and head off this commercial crisis.
Florida AG McCollum warns of commercial foreclosure crisis
Tampa Bay Business Journal
A day doesn’t go by without some talk of the residential foreclosure crisis in the media. But the severity of that problem could be overshadowing yet a bigger problem looming on the horizon: commercial foreclosure.
Florida Attorney General and gubernatorial candidate Bill McCollum wrote a letter to Florida House Speaker Larry Cretul Friday bringing the potential commercial foreclosure crisis to the Legislature’s attention and sharing what his office has been doing about it since 2007.
“As I learn more about the potential for massive commercial real property mortgage foreclosures, I am convinced that swift legislative remedial action this legislative session would avert some of the more devastating consequences of such foreclosures,” McCollum wrote in the letter.
Legislation? What exactly does he expect them to do?
Every new office building in South Palm Beach county is empty. There’s no way to fix it.
It looks like Lady Shiela is hostessing three pizza parties this evening.
I see that she has expanded the parties.
Looking on the bright side, the U.S. had but one Countrywide, one Washington Mutual and one Indymac.
U.S. FDIC shuts down 7 banks, 2010 total now 37
Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:43pm EDT
By Corbett B. Daly
WASHINGTON, March 19 (Reuters) - Regulators seized seven more U.S. banks on Friday, as high unemployment and troubled loan portfolios continue to weigh on the sector.
The seven failures, which are estimated to cost the government’s deposit insurance fund more than $1 billion, bring the 2010 tally to 37 failed institutions. Last year, 140 banks failed. At this week’s frantic pace, 365 banks would be shut down by the end of the year.
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp said Advanta Bank Corp of Draper, Utah; Appalachian Community Bank of Ellijay, Georgia; Bank of Hiawassee, Hiawasee, Georgia; First Lowndes Bank of Fort Deposit, Alabama; Century Security Bank of Duluth, Georgia; American National Bank of Parma, Ohio; and State Bank of Aurora in Aurora, Minnesota were closed.
Advanta, at $1.6 billion in total assets and $1.5 billion in total deposits, was the largest of the seven, though the FDIC was unable to find a buyer.
The regulator said checks for insured funds would be mailed to account holders on Monday. The FDIC said the banks had about $247,000 in uninsured deposits, though it cautioned that figure was likely to change.
Appalachian had about $1.01 billion in total assets. Community & Southern Bank of Carrollton, Georgia agreed to assume all of Appalachian’s $917.6 million in deposits.
Bank of Hiawassee had about $377.8 million in total assets. Citizens South Bank of Gastonia, North Carolina agreed to assume all of $339.6 million in deposits.
First Lowndes had abut $137.2 million in assets. First Citizens Bank of Luverne, Alabama agreed to assume all $131.1 million in deposits.
Century Security had $96.5 million in total assets. Bank of Upson of Thomaston, Georgia agreed to assume all $94.0 million in deposits.
American National had $70.3 million in total assets. The National Bank and Trust Company of Wilmington, Ohio agreed to assume $66.8 million in total assets.
State Bank of Aurora had about $28.2 million in total assets. Northern State Bank of Ashland, Wisconsin agreed to assume all $27.8 million in deposits.
The seven banks together would cost the FDIC’s Deposit Insurance Fund about $1.28 billion.
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There seem to be an increasing number of articles these days whose general theme is, “The worst is yet to come.”
Friday, March 19, 2010
New wave of bank failures about to hit
Atlanta Business Chronicle - by J. Scott Trubey Staff Writer
The calm appears to be ending before what could be a new storm of bank failures.
Bank failures are expected to pick up again in Georgia as regulators turn their attention to several Peach State lenders that could be sacked and sold to new owners over the March 19-21 and March 26-28 weekends.
The anticipated closures would end a seven-week lull and mark a renewed effort by regulators to dispose of crippled Georgia banks.
At least five struggling North Georgia banks are said to be up for bids through the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp., and regulators are expected to sell the ailing lenders to rivals in bundles on March 19 and March 26, multiple banking sources have told Atlanta Business Chronicle.
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Just a shoutout to PBear, Combo, alpha, and packman for the discussion on stocks from 3/13. I’m beginning to think that the longer term cycles up or down have more to do with the herd and the best time for those who know something about picking stocks might just be periods of flatness, like now.
Advisers have become so non-chalant at telling individual investors to throw money at “the market,” especially ETFs and funds that track the generic market. As long as everyone plays along things go up, which isn’t really investing.
Having said that, I think one can take advantage and ride on the back of the herd on the way up.