March 25, 2010

It’s All Upside And No Downside

The Toronto Sun reports from Canada. “Last year’s comeback for Canada’s housing market will carry through early 2010 but subdued activity is on the horizon as higher prices and interest rates make property less affordable, Scotia Economics says. The first half of 2010 will cap off a real estate decade fit for the record books, Scotiabank said. The last 10 years has seen the largest real price appreciation in at least 50 years and new home construction was at its strongest since the 1970s during the period. Canada leads the pack of developed countries in terms of real estate coming out of the recession with inflation-adjusted home prices in the fourth quarter up 19% year-over-year compared with a 12% rise in the third quarter. Australia maintained the second place position reporting a 12% annual increase in real price gains during the fourth quarter.”

“‘We’ve come to the end of the real estate boom globally,’ said Benjamin Tal, a senior economist and real estate watcher at CIBC World Markets.”

The Vancouver Sun in Canada. “A pair of surveys on housing prices released Wednesday show that many Canadians are worried about rising prices and interest rates, but that is not stopping many from entering the housing market sooner, or taking on more debt than they want to. ‘Housing prices have risen 89 per cent since 2002 — vastly outpacing family income gains,’ Sal Guatieri, senior economist at BMO Capital Markets said.”

“According to a new BMO survey, 71 per cent of current and future homeowners think house prices are too high and 33 per cent complained they have lost sleep due to the stress of trying to buy a new home. However, it was exactly this feeling that housing prices might spiral out of reach that has led first-time homebuyers to feel pressure to buy homes sooner. ‘There’s definitely a sense of urgency among home buyers,’ Lynne Kilpatrick, senior VPof Personal Banking at BMO said.”

From USA Today. “In this former Chinese fishing village where skyscrapers are springing up almost as quickly as the population of 9 million is growing, it’s not hard to find people who think real estate prices will keep rising, as well. Zhao Jin is a believer. In late 2008…he bought a modest three-bedroom apartment on the outskirts of Shenzhen. The property’s value has soared 63%, prompting an avalanche of calls from property agents asking whether he wants to sell (the answer is no).”

“‘Property prices will definitely go up more,’ says Zhao. ‘I’m an example of why the demand for real estate is there. People hear their country boy did good and come to seek their own fortunes.’”

“In Shanghai’s older Puxi area, at the Baccarat , most of the buyers are wealthy people from Hong Kong and Taiwan. The apartments, which range from about 900 to 1,600 square feet, cost $1.2 million to $3.5 million. ‘People made a lot of money from stocks in 2006 and 2007, and came and invested’ in the building, says Xie Jun Ling, a Shanghai real estate agent, noting that these investors typically already have three to four homes. ‘The rental market is not that great, so they buy and hold it.’”

The Strait Times on Thailand. “An executive condominium (EC) site in Sengkang has drawn a whopping 11 bids, with the winning offer trumping analysts’ expectations by a fair margin. Frasers Centrepoint’s Opal Star and Lum Chang Building Contractors valuation of the asset came to $193.28 million, or $315 per sq ft (psf) of gross floor area. The units are not expected to be cheap, given that the top bid is the highest received for an EC site since land was made available for sale from this source in 1997, property experts said.”

“‘This site is well located, and in view of the tight supply and great demand, we are confident that it will be an attractive development especially to home buyers who have been recently priced out of the market,’ a spokesman said.”

From Phuket Wan in Thailand. “A dismal picture of the property development scene on Phuket and Samui emerges from the latest figures provided by the Government House Bank, which specialises in loans for housing. Given low demand, there appears to be an oversupply of both villas and condominiums. Phuket and Samui are experiencing an oversupply that could take years to whittle down. Three villas were sold on Samui in Q3 of 2009, the report says, while results have been equally stagnant on Phuket.”

“On Phuket, the report says, 13 villa projects were offering discounts of between 10 and 20 percent. Given the outlook, it’s little wonder that upmarket villa and condo estates have converted to resorts to retain cash flow and a positive future.”

From Scoop in New Zealand. “New Zealand home loan affordability was steady in February from January as house prices and interest rates were broadly unchanged, interest.co.nz’s Home Loan Affordability report shows. ‘There is a Mexican Standoff in the housing market where some buyers are holding off until after the May 20 Budget and sellers are reluctant to accept price reductions after the rebound in late 2009,’ said Editor Bernard Hickey. ‘However, the pressure is mounting for price falls as swathes of new listings have hit the market in February and March and many buyers are preparing for higher variable mortgage rates later in 2010,’ Hickey said.”

“The median house price as measured by REINZ was steady in February at NZ$350,000, just off a record high NZ$360,000 hit in December and 7.7% above its January 2009 trough of NZ$325,000.”

The Press in New Zealand. “I was wandering around Christchurch’s four avenues looking at all the leaky apartments and townhouses. Once you know the telltale signs of what to watch out for, they leap out at you everywhere. It seems no-one wants to talk much about New Zealand’s leaky buildings scandal - not the owners, architects and builders, council or government.”

“But walk around the streets, and it is staring you in the face. A few are also realising it could be New Zealand’s greatest single financial disaster. Auckland pilot Paul Lyons is telling me about an investment unit he owns in a four-storey block in Bealey Ave. He says many of the block’s residents are elderly or still struggling to get their heads around what might be the worst case for their own building. Then there are those with investment properties who fear that if they go public and potential tenants take fright, the empty units could quickly bankrupt them.”

“However, Lyons is fuming at what the inspections have been uncovering. The 42 apartments were completed in 2000. Lyons says he bought his rental unit in 2006 after careful checks. ‘We had an engineering report done. The property had a proper Code of Compliance certificate. All the boxes had been ticked,’ he says.”

The Sydney Morning Herald in Australia. “Interest rates may be rising, but that’s not stopping people from dishing out more than $1 million for prestige property, a leading mortgage broker says. Loan Market says its brokers have seen a 30 per cent increase from people seeking loans in excess of $800,000 in the past year. While first home buyers are finding it harder to get into the market, partly because of tougher bank lending criteria, those already on the property ladder are not as affected.”

‘This is because upgraders have large amounts of equity in their homes and have a track record paying off a mortgage. As a result, Loan Market chief operating officer Dean Rushton said they were viewed more favourably by lenders. Some experts predict median house prices in most capital cities will double by the end of the decade due to population growth.”

“‘Those making a move now on a prestige property could certainly realise significant gains if those sorts of predictions eventuate,’ Mr Rushton said.”

“It’s official: 60 per cent of investors believe Australia has a property bubble. A confluence of housing shortages, low interest rates, speculative fervour and last year’s move by the Rudd Government to relax foreign ownership rules on real estate have turbo-charged house prices.”

“When asked if it was a good time to buy an investment property, 67 per cent agreed that it was because the supply shortage would support rental and price yields. Another 21 per cent thought prices would stagnate and only 12 per cent believed that prices would fall.”

“On the future of the boom, 32 per cent could see it running another year, 44 per cent for two or more years, and 7 per cent forever.”

Money Morning Australia. “If you’re one of the many Money Morning readers suffering from property and housing withdrawal symptoms then don’t worry, because this morning we’re back on the bandwagon. And if you’re one of the many Money Morning readers who’s glad we’ve stopped banging the housing drum then all I’ve got to say is, ‘Sorry, we’ll have a non property article for you tomorrow.’”

“Since we last stuck the boot into property a couple of weeks ago there have been more ridiculous headlines from the property spruikers than we could eat. We had intended on keeping a record of them, but we figured it was a waste of time as it’s basically the same story being recycled every day: ‘Sydney property prices set to double’ – News.com.au.”

“There is no doubt at all, that the concept of risk in the Australian property market is completely and utterly absent. Market signals that should indicate to borrowers the level of risk have been manipulated to such an extent that what is high risk now has the appearance of low risk. And that’s the core of the problem. Strip away all the opinions, statistics and indices and you’re left with the simple and unarguable fact that the perceived risk of housing has been eliminated from the market.”

“Just at the time when it’s at its highest risk – it’s all upside and no downside apparently.”

“To our way of thinking it’s not a chronic housing shortage that’s pushing prices up, it’s the availability of easy credit and no comprehension of risk by buyers of taking out a recourse loan – although perhaps the golden years of easy credit could be coming to an end, we’ll see. So, as I say, imagine that all the things the property spruikers claim to be true aren’t true. What will happen then? Well, is it possible we’ll experience what the Yanks are going through with their housing bubble and crash?”

Fin 24 on South Africa. “After being banished to the financial product wilderness, the 100% homeloan is making a guarded comeback. Absa this week announced that people earning less than R15 142 a month can now apply for loans of up to 110% of the value of the property.”

“The return of these loans has been met with a huge demand, with statistics from the mortgage originator ooba showing that by December last year, 44% of homeloan applications were for 100% mortgages. However, banks are not scrambling to grant these loans and approval rates have been fairly limited - and with half of the approved applications, the banks still required some kind of deposit.”

“Local banks - like many banks worldwide - got burnt by 100% loans during the credit crunch. While the easy availability of these loans to people who could not afford deposits helped inflate property booms, many home owners were left devastated after the crash. The value of their properties was worth less than their 100% home loans, which will run up huge interest charges during the course of the loans. Many defaulted on their loans.”

“While Adrian Goslett, CEO of RE/MAX of Southern Africa, isn’t in favour of a return ‘to the crazy years when we had to fight off the banks as opposed to fighting with banks,’ he does think 100% home loans have a role to play.”

“Many South Africans simply do not have 10% or more to deposit just to initiate the investment. And if you want to buy a property of more than R2m, some banks will require a 20% deposit while for vacant land, most banks ask 40%. The advice to prospective home owners may be to wait, build up some capital first and only then to enter the market, said Goslett. ‘The problem is the opportunity exists now. Property prices and interest rates are at a low and won’t remain there indefinitely,’ he said.”

From Finfacts Ireland. “The Irish Independent reports that Bundesbank boss Axel Weber said last night that the German authorities could not let Hypo Real Estate Bank fail when it ran into difficulties with its Dublin-based subsidiary Depfa. Speaking at the Institute of European Affairs, Mr Weber said we future banking regulations must be changed to allow some banks to fail.”

“‘We need a regime where banks can fail in an orderly fashion and this is where the idea of a ‘living will’ comes in.’ He added that there was a risk that the banking problems and the shortage of credit would put a break on recovery.”

“The Bundesbank president held up the stable German property market as an example, noting that home buyers typically have to have 30pc to 40pc of the cost of the house in cash. ‘Both the idea of 100pc mortgages or even 100pc mortgages is inconceivable,’ he said.”

“Earlier, in a speech in Trinity College, Mr Weber said new bank regulations need to address the issue of moral hazard or another crisis will happen. Mr Weber, who is widely tipped to become the next head of the European Central Bank and is now busy helping to draft a new regulatory framework for world banks, said the basic answer must be to increase the amount of money lenders have to keep in reserve for emergencies, known as the Tier 1 capital ratio. The Tier 1 capital ratio should be highest for banks which have a systemic importance and are too big to fail, Mr Weber said.”

From TIME. “Donald Trump has never been accused of subtlety. So there is nothing retiring about the celebrity real-estate magnate’s venture into Panama. His 70-floor sail-shaped Trump Ocean Club, under construction in Panama City’s exclusive Punta Pacifica district, will be the largest and most expensive building ever built south of the Rio Grande. ‘Nothing like this has ever been attempted in Latin America,’says head developer Roger Khafif. ‘When you think of Sydney you think of the Opera House, when think of Paris you think of the Eiffel Tower, and when you think of Panama, you are going to think of this building.’”

“The 1,080-unit building’s construction has now reached the 62nd floor and is scheduled to be inaugurated by the end of the year, complete with luxury condos, a five-star hotel, six restaurants, a Las Vegas-style casino and a private yacht club on the nearby Isla Saboga. The project is 10-to-20 times more expensive than that of any other skyscraper in Panama City. It will be 20% bigger than the AOL-Time Warner building in New York City, Khafif says.”

“More expensive than Miami real estate and priced three-to-eight times higher than property in the rest of the Panamanian market, the Trump Ocean Club is partially financed by a $230 million bond offering from Bear Sterns. That bond is now being handled by JP Morgan following the collapse of Bear Sterns in the 2008 global financial crisis. ‘Without Trump, we would have lost our shirt,’Khafif admits.”

“Since then, more than 2,000 construction workers add a new floor each week, silencing many of the earlier skeptics who claimed the project would never get off the ground.”

“But some doubts remain. Eric Jackson, owner of the English-language Panama News thinks that many of buyers in the Trump Ocean Club, which claims it is 90% sold, could be speculators rather than future tenants. ‘You go around Panama City and look at these new ’sold out’ luxury towers at about 8 p.m. and there are hardly any lights on in them,’ Jackson says. Samuel Taliaferro of the PrimaPanama investment blog agrees. ‘I have received emails from a number of speculators who never intended on taking possession.’”

“Khafif says Trump’s name will help the country’s image makeover. ‘Before it was Panama and Noriega,’ he explains. ‘But now it will be Panama and Trump.’ Or at least he hopes so. ‘We bet $400 million on it,’ Khafif says.”




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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-24 09:26:13

“A dismal picture of the property development scene on Phuket and Samui emerges from the latest figures provided by the Government House Bank

More and more Thai FBs are saying “Phuket” and mailing in the keys.

I slay me, truly I do.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-24 09:45:37

HoHoHo and a bottle of rum…..

 
Comment by SV guy
2010-03-24 20:40:48

:)

 
Comment by Sagesse
2010-03-24 22:37:40

Thai FBs - not so much. The moneyed class in Thailand are Chinese Thai, and they may have “developed”, but sold to Scandinavian, Dutch and British, who seemed to “snap up” these shacks for a while. 250 K for some badly built unit in an enclave uphill from and outside the villages, or 400 K and way up for something resembling “Thai style” with pool and kitchen. What were these buyers thinking, I don’t know.

Comment by Bad Chile
2010-03-25 09:16:38

Mrs. Chile and myself occasionally find ourselves on HGTV laughing at all the house hunting shows. In particular, the “International House Hunters”. Always some gringo with more money than common sense looking to buy a vacation or retirement home in some thrid-world paradise where the cleaning help costs a couple dollars for a day and the native markets can feed you for a couple more. Yet these gringos always think their $500,000 beach house will be a great investment.

There never is any mention of local property transfer laws, taxes, or potential for political destabilization.

I wish there were follow up shows to these, because Mrs. Chile and myself always end up screaming at the gringos “why not rent?!?!”

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-25 09:25:18

‘where the cleaning help costs a couple dollars for a day and the native markets can feed you for a couple more’

This is largely true, and it causes many to overlook the negatives. But what goes along with this is people are sorta poor, and some resent the outsiders hiring locals as “servants.”

‘There never is any mention of local property transfer laws’

Jeebus, don’t get me started on the Napoleonic RE laws. Squatting, etc, is encouraged, and the local courts can bleed you dry fighting it off.

‘$500,000 beach house’

This is an amazing thing. Places that sold for $15k in the 80’s can be selling for 2-3-400k now, and it ain’t the locals buying. There were so many anglos buying in CR the last 10 years, it’s silly.

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Comment by Zeus Matuze
2010-03-25 18:30:27

Wow, it REALLY is different there!

I’m now listening to the Phuket Phour playing “Magical Mystery Home Tour.”

 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2010-03-25 10:53:36

I would add corruption and ineffective legal systems to your list. If you get ripped off in the Third World, unless you’re a diplomat don’t think there will be restitution, prosecutions, or even arrests any time soon. In fact, public officials might even be in on it.

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Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-25 11:07:56

‘public officials might even be in on it’

Right, and it always pops up that someone you’re dealing with has a cousin on the police force or is a judge. It’s easy to get cynical about things south of the border. If you are just visiting you’ll probably be fine. But if you buy RE and expect to rent it out, or be able to lock it up and leave, get ready to pay a bribe or some other such problem.

 
Comment by SMF
2010-03-25 11:11:26

We had a neighbor with a condo in Mexico. The RE agent was telling her that he had trouble renting it out.

She went down there, and found out that her agent was renting it out, and keeping the profit…

‘Investing’ like this, is simply not my cup of tea.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-25 11:16:41

See, in the US you could probably sue the agent. But I’d bet that would get you nowhere in Mexico. I’d get the locks changed, get a new agent and hope for the best.

 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-03-25 11:35:12

The legal system is so ineffective in Mexico that being a lawyer does not carry the prestige it does in the US.

 
Comment by da-di-da
2010-03-25 12:36:46

Lawyer carry prestige… anywhere in the world? Gimmi a break.

 
Comment by The_Overdog
2010-03-25 14:29:15

Lawyer carry prestige… anywhere in the world? Gimmi a break.
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US lawyers have generally high salaries and high salary equals prestige. If you are not aware this is how the world works, then I’m glad to be of service.

 
 
Comment by Michael Fink
2010-03-25 14:09:47

Also, I always ask myself.. How on earth do these things “pencil out” as investments? 500K beach house that you use for 2-4 weeks a year? That’s like 10-20K a WEEK when you amortize your use over the yearly carrying costs! You could stay in the best hotel in CR (or any other place on earth) for much less than that; and you get cleaning/maid service for free!

I’m just not sure, without 30% YOY appreciation, how on earth these things make sense… Yeah, a cheap place (by cheap, 10-50K) that you use for a few weeks a year.. That might make sense (assuming you pay cash for it). But, WTH are these people thinking with the 500K-1M dollar vacation homes? If you don’t have to work, and can spend months at a time; that’s one thing.. But many of these people openly say they only want to be there for a few weeks a year..

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Comment by scdave
2010-03-25 07:58:23

Good one Sammy :)

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-24 09:33:34

“‘We’ve come to the end of the real estate boom globally,’ said Benjamin Tal, a senior economist and real estate watcher at CIBC World Markets.”

Wow — just came to the end of the global real estate boom, huh? Makes you wonder how far U.S. home prices still have to fall to get back to normalcy…

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-24 09:41:35

‘China’s frenzied real estate market is starting to turn optimists into pessimists, who say this sector could be the next big economic bust. The fear is that a collapse of China’s property market could hamper global recovery by rocking stock markets and sinking consumer confidence around the world. It also could sharply reduce China’s demand for U.S. exports, slowing the growth of the American economy.’

‘Vitaliy Katsenelson, research director at Investment Management Associates, warns that there is still a risk that the bursting of the real estatebubble in China could turn the country from a “wind in the sails of the global economy to its anchor.”

If that happens, China may pull back on its purchase of U.S. dollars, a development that could ripple through the American economy and drive mortgage and auto loan rates higher, says Katsenelson.’

‘Economists warn that a fallout in China’s property market could have at least as much of an effect on global economics as the collapse of the U.S. housing market. ‘China is key to the global economy,’ says Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics. ‘If it can lead the (world) out of the recession, it can lead it back in.’

So how about the combined effect of collapsing bubbles in Asia, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, among others? I’m not pleased that these bubbles rage on, but IMO there is a lot of complacency out there that the media is missing.

Comment by SMF
2010-03-24 10:02:54

I think that US bashing in many ways and many forms was simply a way for many to distract others from their own country’s dismal economy.

And it should be pretty clear that in the end, few if any countries will be left untouched by this debacle.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-24 10:43:45

Bashing scapegoats to deflect blame from the real culprits in a failing economy? Glad that could never happen here….

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Comment by ACH
2010-03-24 11:56:51

Ben,
We are due for a roll-over in the housing market, stock market, etc. Once the truth is squarely faced, one realizes there is no reason for these markets to regain their former levels.
I would speculate that there will be no one, single event that triggers this. Instead I would think that the slide will start as the pressure builds in the economic systems - state, region, national, trading blocks, and international.

For example, Greece is under pressure while Portugal has had it’s debt rating reduced. This complex system of Euroland will increasing the doubt. There is plenty of doubt to go around. Look at the thin Stockmarket volumes. China is trying to slow things down as they have really “juiced” their economies. US Housing begins another slide.

Would there be a “Lehman” trigger? I just don’t know. It could be something really small that indicates a larger problem. Like unemployment ticking to 10% again.

This can’t last.

Roidy

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-24 12:31:06

You hear a lot in the media these days about the “financial crisis” after Lehman. But we know that situation built up day by day for years! And wasn’t it just recently the Dubai bust freaked everyone out; then Greece. It’s probably impossible to know how it will play out. But I expect it will be packaged into a script for public consumption.

My bet is on cascading defaults.

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Comment by SMF
2010-03-24 12:39:24

Bubbles are usually pricked by one event. The Microsoft ruling brought down dot.com. Lehman did not do much because at the time the bubble had already deflated in many areas. It may have hurt more in the sense that it made the public wrongfully assume that governments were on top fixing the problem. Of course, this wasn’t the case.

I have to agree with Ben. All it will take is a default from an unusual source (a source that no one expects to default) for the house of cards to come down. I was expecting this to occur with Dubai, but alas, they were (temporarily) saved.

 
Comment by In Montana
2010-03-25 09:39:55

I thought the original “crisis” was that meltdown that happened Aug 2007. It was all baked in the cake by the time of the Lehman event.

 
Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-03-25 09:43:17

I do enjoy to this day that the Bubble started to collapse around my 30th birthday (August, 2007.)

A birthday gift to beat them all, in a way…

 
 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-03-24 12:16:05

But China doesn’t have a bunch of oligarcic kleptocrats in charge who will bid up prices, nontransparant markets, and a legal system known for vicitimizing the poor at the expense of the well connected…..oh wait.

 
Comment by Dale
2010-03-24 21:48:36

“It also could sharply reduce China’s demand for U.S. exports….”

What does China import from the U.S. other than jobs and factories???

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-24 22:47:56

lots of stuff.. Demand having grown more than any other country in the last decade, China is now our 3rd largest customer.

Some major ones are “waste” of various sorts, scrap steel and other metals.. electronic components.. computers.. machinery.. medical stuff .. raw plastics..
plastic and rubber products.. agricultural products.. chemicals.. processed foods and stuff like fish and animal products..
transportation equipment.. chemicals.. paper products.. mining equipment.. even electric appliances.

People see all the stuff for sale here and imagine that China is totally self sufficient or something.. but they are virtual beginners when it comes to having the ability to provide everything people, including themselves, need and want.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-25 12:44:35

Higher education (especially PhD education). Think of the U.S. as currently providing the education to Chinese PhDs needed for them to steal our human capital (education) base the same as they stole our physical capital (manufacturing) base over the past three decades, and you will have an idea of how this export market is going to pan out over the long run.

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Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-25 12:46:48

Funny you should mention the providing of education to ‘em. I was at an innovation forum just t’other day when the very same topic was discussed. Seems that we’re doing a very good job of educating international students. Who then take their expertise home, where they start companies that compete against ours.

 
Comment by potential buyer
2010-03-25 14:29:53

Yup, exactly what the UK did for the US.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-24 22:22:03

Most amazing of all is how similar the stories coming out of China today are to the stories we used to read and post five years ago regarding the incipient collapse of the U.S. property bubble. I have the sense the Chinese market is headed down the same rabbit hole the U.S. market fell into, but with a five-year lag. And the chronic ursine affliction from which I suffer makes me oh so eager to see how the Chinese bubble implosion plays out. I am glad they are an ocean away from the U.S.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-03-25 08:07:54

I continue to read the Australia stories…They appear to not even have skipped a beat…I don’t get it really…Their job/income must be pretty strong…

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-25 08:20:30

Back in 2005, I was posting on 40-50% declines in some Australian markets. New Zealand too. But like Canada, they had a bounce. Both countries have a resource economy. But as I pointed out in a Calgary interview in 2007, commodities didn’t keep the Texas bubble from bursting in the 80’s, but rather it probably made it worse by prolonging the mania.

Just look at the income to housing price ratios. And a dead give-away to weakness is the high level of speculation and government/central bank intervention to keep it going. Like the one article said; ‘Just at the time when it’s at its highest risk – it’s all upside and no downside’. Classic mania behavior.

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Comment by scdave
2010-03-25 09:12:12

Resource based economy…Hmmm…I remember Texas in the early 80’s..I had to spend a week down there tacking some classes…It was really spooky…Ghost town atmosphere…Depressing really…It seemed like I was the only one who had money in their pocket…So, Australia is resourced based economy…China is likely their biggest partner…If china blows-up, I suppose Australia blows too…

 
 
 
Comment by Silverback1011
2010-03-25 08:21:22

Spot on, Ben. No way are those Canadian houses in Toronto worth $850,000 for some 1980’s 3BR duplex. We are just one part of the world-wide impending housing collapse.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-25 08:25:08

‘$850,000 for some 1980’s 3BR duplex’

This brings up something I came across for this post; many NZ posters have mentioned the poor quality of the housing. This one article with guy and his crappy “investment” was one of the first that dealt with the subject straight on.

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Comment by SMF
2010-03-24 10:00:26

Wow…

I have never seen so many articles proving at one time how the entire globe got into the real estate bubble, and how investors came to overwhelm and skew all numbers.

How can anyone, seeing what has already occurred in the US, not be afraid of their own country’s future?

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-24 10:07:24

I think it’s the nature of manias. There is always a lot to be gained during booms (sustainable or not) and no one wants to end the party. But as we’ve seen, the pain can be deep, so someone must act. It’s a sad commentary that USA Today is left to sound the alarm bells.

Comment by SMF
2010-03-24 10:15:07

Can’t some people learn?! I was reading all about the panics over the last decades, and every single one of them was caused by overspeculation.

But the worse thing about this mess, is that many of these bubbles were partly pricked in the rest of the world, recalling when the Shanghai stock market was down 70% from peak, only to be reinflated!!

 
Comment by Jeffers
2010-03-24 12:51:37

Is USA Today one of those rare papers that doesn’t rely on local real estate flacks to buy ad space? Up here in Canadaland the papers routinely cut and past their articles directly from press releases provided by the local real estate boards.

 
 
Comment by Canadian
2010-03-24 12:19:23

I don’t know how they do it!

Everyone around me is convinced that it’s different here in Vancouver. Seriously! After that phrase has become a parody of the housing bubbles that burst everywhere else.

 
 
Comment by Mike in Miami
2010-03-24 10:08:50

“However, it was exactly this feeling that housing prices might spiral out of reach that has led first-time homebuyers to feel pressure to buy homes sooner. ‘There’s definitely a sense of urgency among home buyers,”
That’s right! Buy now or be priced out forever.
They’re not making any more land either, especially in Canada and Australia.
Goes to show that people are equally stupid elsewhere. Herd behavior and gullability are not just confined to the US of A.

Comment by Jim A.
2010-03-24 12:18:09

I’m guessing that the “buy now or be priced out forever” meme is (near)dead in Japan. I’m guessing that 10 years from now it’s going to be (near)dead in the US.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2010-03-24 13:31:12

Most people aren’t capable of learning from anyone’s mistakes other than their own. Sometimes not even then.

 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2010-03-24 13:25:51

“His 70-floor sail-shaped Trump Ocean Club, under construction in Panama City’s exclusive Punta Pacifica district, will be the largest and most expensive building ever built south of the Rio Grande. ‘Nothing like this has ever been attempted in Latin America,’ says head developer Roger Khafif. ‘When you think of Sydney you think of the Opera House, when think of Paris you think of the Eiffel Tower, and when you think of Panama, you are going to think of this building.’”
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I once lived in Panama City, in a neighborhood not far from where this moron reservoir is being erected. Just out of curiosity, a few months ago I googled my old condominium building, and speculators have even gotten in there, judging by all the listings.

Ten years ago the high-rise building boom in Panama City was out of control. And that was before the bubble. Once you take away offshore banking, much of which serves money of questionable or opaque origin, and canal administration, there’s nothing keeping Panama City from becoming a Latin American Dubai. It may get there anyway. Esta vaina se acabó.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-25 08:13:44

Long time readers will recall I spent a lot of time in Central Am, mostly Costa Rica, when I was younger. When I visited in 1999, there was a serious RE bubble in CR. But how this spread into Panama condos is amazing. Panama has never been considered a safe place, IIRC. Of course, Trumps name showing up down there is a sign of a future bust.

Comment by SMF
2010-03-25 09:09:40

Is there any safe place in Latam? I was born there, and can’t for the life of me imagine why anyone would want to buy homes there.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-25 09:17:10

CR is safer than any places in the US. And much of central am is better than it was 2 or 3 decades ago. But Panama was always the area I was warned to stay away from. One of those places where the police are as dangerous as the thugs. (Great surfing though, I hear.)

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Comment by jingle male
2010-03-25 12:40:36

A friend of mine’s father moved to Panama on 7 acres. Beautiful house. 3 full time staff members. One day he bought a huge flat screen TV and installed it in the house, but later fired the worker who helped him install it.

A week later the worker came back, tied him up, beat him senseless, stole the flat screen and left. The father has some brain damage and a limp. They caught the guy who did it. My friend says his father should have lived inside a gated community full of expats if he wanted to be in Panama.

 
Comment by SMF
2010-03-25 13:35:19

Here’s the deal.

In Latam, most people with money live behind a rather large fence, with spikes or broken bottles on top. Not a six foot fence, but usually 8 feet or larger.

Then you have multiple locks on your front door. And bars on the windows.

When you see an HGTV show, someplace in Latam, where the house is not surrounded by a fence, you know it was designed for silly foreigners, not the natives.

And they will steal from your house as much as they can.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2010-03-25 20:34:07

I had forgotten about walls topped with broken bottles. The window bars are a necessity, but can be quite an art form. They don’t look so bad when every house has them.

 
 
Comment by snake charmer
2010-03-25 11:34:21

All of the Southern Cone countries — Chile, Argentina, and Uruguay — are acceptably safe, and Costa Rica is too. Obviously, what draws crime anywhere in Latin America are visible displays of wealth, especially when combined with a lackadaisical attitude: bulging wallet in the back pocket, flashy car, talking loudly about how financially successful you are, etc. I remember watching an episode of “My Super Sweet 16″ with my wife, who is from Colombia, and seeing the father of that week’s spoiled rotten teenager bragging about how much his diamond-encrusted watch cost. We both shared a laugh when I wondered aloud how long it would take him to be relieved of that bauble if he traveled to Bogotá, which is a surprisingly addictive place.

With the exception of one or two infamous slum neighborhoods, crime was not a problem in Panama City until the last years of the Noriega regime, when various paramilitary “dignity battalions” were created and armed. I don’t surf, but can confirm that Panama does indeed have great surfing.

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Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-03-24 15:33:27

BofA Writedown of Principal- the nuts and bolts of a 5 year milestone reward system
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-countrywide25-2010mar25,0,7081426.story?track=rss

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-24 21:29:17

I read through that whole article and came away feeling like it’s just another day in the same old cat and mouse game with the parties strategically maneuvering around the cheese.

But this part might explain it:
..Bank of America’s new program, adopted to settle a lending-abuse suit by the state of Massachusetts, is in addition to an October 2008 settlement with other state attorneys general..

People mostly settle because it’s less expensive than the alternatives, and this program might cost BoA the least if nobody makes it through.

Comment by flg_az
2010-03-25 18:52:10

Is this the first program that gives incentive to homeowners for their property to drop in value? I mean, the less its worth, the more money is forgiven, right?

Also, when the property ultimately appreciates, who keeps the capital gain… the bank? or the previously forgiven owner?

 
 
 
Comment by In Colorado
2010-03-24 16:57:18

It’s a bubbly world after all!

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-24 20:54:41

There’s gotta be lots of ways to profit from the eventual collapse of these bubbles other gambling with credit default swaps, or by purchasing cheap real estate after the fall. Those methods are by now obvious, and running with the herd won’t get you anywhere special.

The USA bubble’s collapse had such far reaching effects that almost nothing was left unscathed, and the same should be true in other countries.
The trick may be to think of something that nobody’s thought of and nobody’s really interested in… lack of interest means competition is thin and the cost will be low.
.. gotta find some remote corner of some market that is sure to take a serious hit and can be bet against..

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-25 12:38:32

I suspect it is much easier to profit if you have a huge pot of money to play with and access to policy makers. For instance, I have noticed some very big players in the international investing arena make some “helpful” suggestions to DC about what they should do to save the system (e.g. Soros’ suggestion that housing market values need to be protected from falling too low, which apparently was heeded). How do you think these guys bet if they think their suggestions are likely to be adopted?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-25 12:40:58

I also recall Bill Gross’s “helpful” suggestions regarding which toxic assets Uncle Sam should purchase in order to save the global financial system. Is there any mystery about how these large private investors with helpful suggestions have positioned their portfolios before announcing their ideas through an MSM megaphone?

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-25 20:59:18

As we see from recent events, having megabucks to play with as well as powerful connections and influence is certainly no guarantee of success. In fact most all of them, domestic and international, lost huge sums and maybe went broke or close to it.

While having at least some money is required, outsiders are free to think, speculate, pursue, spend and invest however they see fit, unlike those caught up in a corporate structure.

The biggest winners in the US bubble turned out to be independents, and they won by betting against the positions of the big dogs. Outsiders are likely to be the biggest winners as foreign bubbles’ collapse as well, imo.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-25 22:53:24

I never said having megabucks guaranteed success. The old adage, “A fool and his money are soon parted,” is certainly exemplified by numerous recent examples; Nicolas Cage and Donald Trump are but two of many who spring readily to mind.

Otherwise, I generally agree with your post. I am quite sure there have been few better times in financial history for out-of-the-box thinkers than the present. Conversely, I suspect few times have ever been worse for bovine-brained dolts who always follow the herd, even if it runs straight over the edge of the nearest cliff.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-24 22:56:10

Guess who is snapping up bargains in the AZ real estate market? Why it’s wealthy Canadian investors, armed with cash offers, buying not one but multiple homes in Arizona as investment properties! Why will this end badly? I cannot count the ways…

Wednesday, March 24, 2010

Canadians invest in Arizona housing
Maureen Porter and her husband Arnold

Cash investors are snatching up thousands of foreclosed homes in Arizona, and many of those digging up the bargains are Canadians. Why? Peter O’Dowd reports.

Peter O’Dowd: The weather here is gorgeous this time of year, especially for Canadians fed up with winter. But, according to realtor Greg Swann, that’s just one of the many reasons Canadians are circling over the casualties of Arizona’s real-estate crisis.

GREG SWANN: Canadians are good at saving money. They just are. Or at least the Canadians who are coming down here to buy real estate have cash, and they have lots of it.

One of Swann’s cash-buyers just flew in from Vancouver to tour a few houses in foreclosure outside of Phoenix. The buyer’s name is Bill Chipman, and he’s the president of a startup called REI Corp Capital.

Bill Chipman and Greg Swann: So we have high ceilings in this one. Yeah. This is the lavender floor plan. I love this floor plan as a rental.

The asking price is $97,000. That’s less than half of what it was a few years ago. The entire region is scarred with empty houses just like this.

Chipman and Swann: Do we need carpet? I think it’s fine. It just needs to be cleaned. Clean the carpet.

Chipman says this is an investment opportunity of a lifetime. He and his partners are raising $30 million to buy 500 houses in Phoenix, Las Vegas and San Antonio. He says a favorable exchange rate, and a housing market that’s actually appreciating back home, have put Canadians in a unique position to buy.

CHIPMAN: When people talk about recession up in British Columbia, we say, “What recession?” Never saw it. Our dollar’s getting stronger. Our jobs are increasing. We’re very optimistic in Canada.

That optimism has driven investments in the Phoenix area. According to the real-estate research firm, The Information Market, sales to Canadians have jumped 80 percent compared to the same period a year ago. Bill Chipman says Canadian companies are mobilizing investors, sweeping up everything from townhomes to commercial strip malls.

CHIPMAN: We don’t look at ourselves particularly as a bunch of vultures. We look at ourselves as rational investors that see a very good opportunity.

It’s not just the big-shot investors who see the opportunity. School teachers and retirees are buying second homes in the American Southwest. And hey, who can blame them? Not when hot tubs and golf-course views come at such a bargain.

Maureen Porter just sold this hot tub, and the house that goes with it to a client from Ontario.

MAUREEN PORTER: You can sit out there at night and enjoy the stars. It’s an amazing opportunity. They’re thrilled about it. They’re really excited.

Porter and her husband, Arnold, are Canadian citizens. They’re local investors and real-estate agents who cater exclusively to their fellow countrymen. Their Web site, Arizona for Canadians, is designed with a strange combination of cactus and maple leafs.

PORTER: And we speak Canadian. We say “eh,” so they understand that we know what they’re saying.

The Porters say it’s been difficult for their clients to get American financing for their investments. That hasn’t mattered much since most of them pay cash. But Arnold Porter says he sees more Canadians leveraging their home equity to buy houses in the U.S. And that’s sort of what got Americans into this mess in the first place.

PORTER: I think the money will be safe down here, but if they’re borrowing too much money up there to do it, if they’re getting too aggressive in their thinking, I think there could be risks there.

At these prices, though, Arnold Porter says it doesn’t matter who you are. Big investor or small potatoes, the opportunity for cheap real estate and sunshine is hard to pass up. In fact, he says he and his wife are thinking of buying a few more houses of their own.

For Marketplace, I’m Peter O’Dowd in Phoenix.

Comment by snake charmer
2010-03-25 07:01:51

What a terribly disappointing piece. I can hardly think of anywhere in the United States with less of a long-term future than Phoenix, so these people are going to be ruined by the score. I hope Canadian policy-makers are drafting their “nobody could have known” speeches.

After what happened in Spain, Ireland, and the U.S.A., who would have guessed that there were entire countries so ready to be proselytized by the church of real estate speculation? I also was amused by the bit in Ben’s post about South Africa; when I visited that nation before the U.S. began its bubble, the boom was in emigration, not property. I met very few non-Afrikaaners who weren’t openly interested in leaving.

Comment by In Colorado
2010-03-25 07:46:47

Maybe this one’s been told her before:

What’s the difference between the Titanic and South Africa?

A: When the Titanics sank the lights were still on.

I can’t wait to hear the horror stories this summer from the World Cup.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-25 08:47:54

“What a terribly disappointing piece.”

I interpreted the piece far more optimistically. Every Canadian dollar that gets sunk into falling knife Arizona real estate investments is one fewer dollar of American wealth that will have to be destroyed. It should be very stimulative to our moribund economy to have an influx of foreign investment dollars into our collapsing housing market. When they figure out they have purchased money-losing investments, and decide to sell at a loss, they will also be able to help Uncle Sam’s ongoing efforts to provide affordable housing to local civilian labor forces.

 
Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-25 12:44:46

What a terribly disappointing piece. I can hardly think of anywhere in the United States with less of a long-term future than Phoenix, so these people are going to be ruined by the score. I hope Canadian policy-makers are drafting their “nobody could have known” speeches

Here’s a former Phoenix newspaper columnist who agrees with your “less of a long-term future” sentiment.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-25 14:38:32

“I can hardly think of anywhere in the United States with less of a long-term future than Phoenix,…”

Detroit?

New Orleans?

Comment by snake charmer
2010-03-25 15:53:51

I am bullish on Michigan, including Detroit, but it’s going to take a long time.

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Comment by scdave
2010-03-25 08:20:48

Nice post Pbear….

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-03-25 10:19:18

Damn, with a population one tenth of the U.S. those Canadians are sure doing a lot of heavy lifting!

 
Comment by think_first
2010-03-25 18:54:27

Rob Chipman is….guess what??? a Real-a-tur in Vancouver. Pretty much permanently bullish. (What a surprise, eh?) Has a blog as well. I used to read it for a while, but it got to be too much of the same thing….bull(ish), bull(ish) and more bull(ish)… :)

 
 
2010-03-25 04:36:15

Nice Post.Its very true that,we’ve come to the end of the real estate boom globally.Thanks for sharing.

 
Comment by Insurance Guy
2010-03-25 10:28:39

I follow the Austrailia newspapers alot and it makes me wonder how they can keep the mania going when it has blown up here. I guess its the same with Canada. How can those folks keep thinking that the value will go up? How can the banks keep lending on those values?

It was years ago when I visited a friend in West Palm Beach who bragged about buying a condo in a building under construction. I looked at here and thought and realized that it was a mania that sweeps aside any clear thought. She saved her whole life for retirement and then gambled all of it on the downpayment on a condo.

With respect to Benanke and the Fed, I used to think they were crroked but now I think they have the mania. Housing zombies walking around saying that prices will go up. It is the mania that turns people, crowds and even nations into housing zombies. A very unscientific explanation.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-25 12:35:26

“I used to think they were crooked but now I think they have the mania.”

Reasons, please?

Comment by Insurance Guy
2010-03-25 13:21:47

These people are not making huge sums of money. I am thinking of Bernanke and members of the Fed. Even Greenspan did not make huges sums of money. They must believe in what they are saying and that makes them even more dangerous. If the economy does not improve, there will be more and more money tossed into the system. Because they believe it has to work.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-25 14:36:52

“These people are not making huge sums of money.”

Are you saying people making more money have a clearer understanding of the mania? Like, say, Dick Fuld (right up until the day when Lehman Brothers collapsed)?

You bring to mind what a very smart professor posed as his response to a frequently-asked-question:

Q. “If you are so smart, how come you aren’t wealthy?”

A. “I’d rather be smart than wealthy.”

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2010-03-25 11:45:02

@Insurance Guy:

Optimism is central to human behavior. And that’s what people who own property want to believe: that it continues to be a solid investment. Simple as that.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-25 22:47:41

Stupidity is also central to human behavior, especially as regards unfounded beliefs.

 
 
Comment by Gil Resch
2010-03-25 12:55:07

A few notes: 1)Almost all Canadian mortgages with less than 20% down are recourse, but government (CMHC)insured. Until recently, 3% down 35 and 40 year insured mortgages have been common including many ARMs at under 2.5% with approval based on carrying costs at that rate–many in 2009 at under 2%. 2) The very high prices are predominantly in Vancouver, where the detached house average is reportedly over 1m., and Toronto. Both are affected by a lot of foreign money inflows and immigration. Some Vancouver complexes have been promoted only in Asia; Asia based buyers, reportedly, account for 25% of RE purchases. 3) Vancouver’s prices are impacted, additionally, by growth barriers imposed by ocean(west), mountains(north and east), and government–large green/agricultural belts(southeast). 4) Allegedly, but unproven, a lot of international money recently has been attracted to Canada as a safe haven, but the financial markets lack breadth and depth so housing is an asset alternative.

Comment by Insurance Guy
2010-03-25 13:28:08

The mortgage information with 2% down ARM’s being used. Since they are insured by the Gov, I can see why banks are issuing them. That part about the foreign investment might be an excuse for continuing a bubble. The bubble will probably take Canada out very soon.

From what I read, Austrailia keeps the bubble up by giving people the down payment. They give up to 5% in certain situations.

I need to figure out a way to short a homebuilder down under.

 
Comment by mino3
2010-03-26 09:13:50

Gil, I don’t know where you get your information but your 25% Asian buyer number is wildly optimistic. The only stats available on such a thing are from Landcor who said in 2009 that only 2% of properties in Vancouver are owned by foreigners. In any big city, the bubble is always home-grown. If you spent any time in Vancouver, you’d know the locals are indeed delusional.

Thanks for mentioning that Vancouver is running out of land. That one always cracks me up. How different do you think land availability was as recently as 2002, when real estate prices were half what they are today?

To sum up the Canadian housing bubble: government run. CMHC takes on all the risk, so that banks are left with all the profits. For banks, it’s tails I win, heads you lose. Mortgages for everybody! Sounds familiar?

 
 
Comment by Gil Resch
2010-03-25 15:42:23

The 2% and 2.5% numbers are interest rates, not downpayments. The Government of Canada will soon –sometime in April–change qualifying and downpayment rules for insured mortgages. Part of the buying frenzy now is often explained as getting in ahead of these changes and before interest rate increases which are anticipated later in the year which will result in further restrictions in the qualification process.

 
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