March 26, 2010

Pouring Perfume On A Pig

It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Construction hasn’t begun, but buyers are already signing the dotted line and claiming their spots in Ottawa’s largest condo project ever. A spot in the Tribeca high-rise isn’t exactly cheap: $650,000 is what it will cost for the largest unit – a 1,145-square-foot penthouse. The smallest unit, a 551-square-foot studio, is the most affordable of the Tribeca units at almost a third the cost of the penthouse at $241,000. But at least one real estate seller – and a future Tribeca condo owner – says she thinks that those prices are a steal given the good location. Anna Kiefl purchased a unit in the Tribeca condo as an investment purchase, she says. When construction is complete in 2013 she plans to rent out her unit.”

“‘Where else in the world can you buy a condo for $300,000, six blocks from the Parliament Buildings? You couldn’t do it in Rome, you couldn’t do it in London from Downing Street, you couldn’t do it anywhere else,’ says Kiefl, sales representative for Royal Lepage Performance Reality.”

“The city’s building boom resulted in 170,000 new housing units between 2000 and 2008, according to a new report from NYU’s Furman Center for Real Estate. ‘There was pent-up demand for housing resulting from the low rates of building in the 1990s, and from the city’s increasing popularity, so this high level of building was necessary and important for the city,’ said Vicki Been, faculty director at the Furman Center. However, she added, ‘much of the building was targeted at the higher end of the market, and is unlikely to sell at the prices originally expected.’”

“FHA loans have been particularly popular among Florida’s condo buyers. The agency has backed more of these mortgages in the Sunshine State than anywhere else in the country, insuring more than 11,000 loans valued at nearly $1.7 billion over the past five years. After losing his trucking job in October 2008, Darryl Gary struggled to keep up with the $1,400 monthly payment on his Sarasota home. Though he soon landed a post as a termite technician, it paid him $5.50 less an hour and only lasted for a year.”

“Though his wife continues to work, the couple ran through their savings and then fell behind on their mortgage in the middle of 2009. He’s trying to negotiate a loan modification with his servicer to help him get back on his financial feet, but he’s finding that the job market is pretty weak right now. ‘If I hadn’t lost my job, none of this would be happening,’ Gary said.”

“More homeowners are walking away from their mortgages, even if they can keep up the payments. Shelby and Scott Robinson, from Manteca, Calif., married in 2006 and purchased a starter home about a year later for $310,000. It plummeted in value. They realized they would have to stay in the home for far longer than expected to gain any value back. The area also did not hold much job flexibility for Scott, a restaurant chef. The couple spoke with financial advisers and considered a strategic default.”

“‘It’s not about not having money,’ says Shelby. ‘It’s about not throwing money away.’”

“Gone are the days when households relied on their homes’ ever-rising values as family piggy banks that would pay for everything from new cars to college tuition. Tage Woehl, of Eastlake, Calif., is about $80,000 underwater on a home he and his wife, Imelda, bought for $430,000 in 2003. He’s locked into a 5.99% fixed-rate mortgage that no bank will refinance.”

“To hold down other expenses, the Woehls go without cable TV, and he’s holding onto his 1999 Dodge Intrepid, which has 188,000 miles on the odometer. The Woehls’ daughter, Nika, is only 4, but Woehl, an accountant, already is worrying about how he’ll afford college tuition in 13 years. He says it sometimes feels unfair that other homeowners who don’t pay their mortgages on time get federal bailout assistance in the form of mortgage modifications and lower monthly payments.”

“‘I’m the one who’s paying every month, and when all is said and done, I’m scraping by,’ he says. ‘We can’t refinance. We’re upside-down now.’”

“Vicky Dicristo bought her home in Soquel, Calif., in 2006 for $535,000 with plans to fix it up, live in it awhile, then sell and buy a nice retirement home in Arizona. She bought the home with a five-year, interest-only, adjustable-rate mortgage at a 5.9% interest rate. Her home is now worth $350,000, according to the local assessor’s office. And Dicristo, who was laid off nearly two years ago from her job as a mortgage loan underwriter, has lost the $135,000 she put down on the house as well as the more than $15,000 she put into renovating the home with new floors.”

“‘I lost $150,000,’ Dicristo says. ‘I haven’t been able to make payments, either. I thought I was going to be able to sell it and move to a less expensive area. That had been my plan when I bought it, to move to someplace like Arizona and pay all cash. But that whole plan fell apart.’”

“For Dicristo, losing equity in her home has meant losing the cash she sank into it and losing much of her retirement dream. ‘Emotionally, this has had a very big impact on me,’ she says. ‘It’s changed how I view housing.’”

“Scores of blighted and foreclosed houses in Lucas County could be transformed into community assets under a new land banking program authorized this week by the state legislature, County Treasurer Wade Kapszukiewicz announced. The California owner of the modest one-story house where the county treasurer spoke yesterday said in a phone interview that he welcomes Lucas County’s land bank because it could help him wash his hands of the property.”

“Peter Biata, of San Mateo County, said his bank foreclosed on the property last year after he stopped making mortgage payments in March, 2009. He’s no longer on the hook for the payments, but the bank won’t take possession of it, Mr. Biata said. He said he put $20,000 in the house to fix it up, yet it didn’t work out long term as a rental property and the value dropped more than he expected. Mr. Biata said he bought the house more than four years ago from a wholesaler’s Web site and was immediately displeased - ‘She totally lied about the condition of the property.’”

“‘We just decided with the way the economy was going and everything that it was prudent to stop paying on it, and we thought we would just let it go to foreclosure,’ he said.”

“The uncertain line between hope and despair divides this exurb of Phoenix, Arizona, where the trim stucco houses used to sell so briskly. Ms. Carter said that she felt guilty about leaving. With her short sale, the price of the home went down, for the benefit of the new homeowner. But it dragged down prices in the neighborhood, she said. Ms. Carter, a mother of two and a real estate agent who poses as an angel with wings on her Web site, has been through hard times before. Years ago, she considered filing for bankruptcy but she then changed her mind. She said she was accountable for her actions and was making what amounted to a business decision to leave her home.”

“‘I had to take emotion out of it,’ Ms. Carter said. ‘If I had a business, and every single month I was losing money, would I keep on paying? No, I wouldn’t.’”

“Mr. Setbacken said that he had warned his neighbors not to get in over their heads but that they had not listened. He and his wife might have stepped up to a bigger house if they, like so many of their neighbors, had gambled recklessly on the housing market, he said. ‘Everybody that I know that got themselves in trouble was because of one word: greed,’ said Mr. Setbacken. ‘I have no sympathy for any of them, on the financial end. When I hear about dropping the amount you actually owe, I could stick my finger down my throat.’”

“More than half of U.S. borrowers who received loan modifications on delinquent mortgages defaulted again after nine months. The re-default rate of loans modified in the first quarter of 2009 was 51.5 percent by the end of the year, the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency and the Office of Thrift Supervision said in a joint report today. The figure, which measures payments at least 30 days late, climbed to 57.9 percent for changes made in the prior 12 months.”

“Modifications are ‘clearly not working well and it’s not a surprise,’ said Sam Khater, a senior economist at First American CoreLogic. It’s pointless to rewrite these loans because they’re underwater.’”

“President Barack Obama’s administration is pressuring lenders to alter loans to reduce the number of properties lost to foreclosure. ‘The program will not be a long-term success if large amounts of borrowers simply re-default and end up facing foreclosure anyway,’ said the report by the Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, prepared for a Congressional hearing.”

“‘The program risks helping few, and for the rest, merely spreading out the foreclosure crisis over the course of several years’ at significant expense for taxpayers and borrowers, the Inspector General’s Office wrote. If too many participants redefault, the modification plan ‘will have done little to achieve the goal of assisting homeowners who would still find themselves losing their homes.’”

“Treasury’s focus on trial modifications ‘raises issues for how the program was justified and how Treasury is not measuring progress,’ the report reads.”

“Massachusetts foreclosure petitions dropped 6.1 percent over the first two months of the year, compared to the same period in 2009, according to new numbers released by The Warren Group Thursday. A petition represents the first step in the foreclosure process. Foreclosure deeds — the last steps, which indicate completed foreclosures — rose 13.8 percent during the same time.”

“The group’s CEO, Timothy Warren, added that the number of petitions is a better leading indicator of the housing market’s direction, but again there are mixed results. ‘People are still having trouble paying the mortgages,’ Warren said.”

“He noted that foreclosed properties can also push housing prices down, putting even more homeowners underwater. But that cycle of decline could be broken by public perception that home prices — especially those in neighborhoods with many foreclosures and a sense of stagnation — are trending upwards. ‘A rising tide lifts all ships,’ Warren said. ‘If the sense of the consumer is that real estate prices are rising, prices will eventually rise in all neighborhoods.’”

“Lawrence Yun, chief economist for the National Association of Realtors, will be in Memphis next week to discuss all things housing. Yun, who will deliver the keynote address, spoke with The Daily News about the real estate market’s woes and future.”

“Q: What were the main reasons for the housing slump? A: Without a doubt very lax underwriting standards; just trying to give out mortgages for anyone who had a heartbeat. That brought on too many people who were not financially capable. We can clearly see that in hindsight.”

“Q: Did the real estate industry, and specifically NAR, respond properly to the downturn and is there anything that could have been done differently? A: From the real estate association and position as a chief economist, I think we need to be assured that we are promoting a successful homeownership policy, and not any homeownership where people buy and be foreclosed upon. That’s embarrassment for the association, it’s not good for the families involved, it hurts the community. Anything the association was either promoting or acquiescing in bringing about this frenzy, that needs to be re-examined.”

“Q: Is it difficult getting people to understand how their local market might differ from the national climate? A: All real estate is local. … In Middle America … there was no bubble. Maybe just a modest-level mini-bubble that was occurring, but no major bubbles like the California, Florida markets. Hence, there was very little to pop.”

“One of the Twin Cities’ largest home lenders faces a deadline of June 30 to sell itself unless it can raise more capital. Otherwise it risks a series of escalating enforcement actions. InterBank, a large and struggling Minnesota mortgage lender that grew rapidly during the housing boom, has been put on the auction block by federal regulators.”

“InterBank made nontraditional mortgage loans, including interest-only mortgages and so-called hybrid ‘ARMs,’ which offer an initial period at a fixed interest rate followed by a floating rate. InterBank kept many loans on its books rather than sell them. As foreclosures rose, losses on the mortgages wiped away much of InterBank’s capital.”

“Moody’s and the other bond rating agencies have featured prominently in the build-up to the financial crisis. These agencies gave investment grade ratings to complex financial instruments filled with subprime mortgages and other bad assets. These ratings allowed Goldman Sachs and other investment banks to sell this trash around the country and the world, ensuring that the effects of the collapse of the housing bubble would reverberate throughout the financial system.”

“It was not just incompetence that caused Moody’s to misunderstand the quality of the issues it was rating. Moody’s and the other bond-rating agencies were getting paid by the banks whose assets that they were rating. The bond-rating agencies knew that these companies wanted investment grade ratings for their issues.”

“As one examiner for Standard and Poor’s said in an email, they would give investment grade ratings to products ’structured by cows.’”

“Justin Kawa is the new face of the depressed real estate market. The young marketing executive’s two-bedroom condo in the upscale neighborhood of Lincoln Park, which he put on the market for $359,000 last month, is now offered at $349,000, and he may have to lower the price even more.”

“Kawa, 29, and a friend, purchased the condo in July 2005 for $333,0000. The two-bedroom, two-bathroom walk-up is in a vintage building and has a roof deck. They had thought they would be able to sell it for about $380,000 in 2008. Many people who looked at his condo put bids on nearby condos, many of which were priced less. ‘We’ve had tons of showings but no offers,’ said Kawa.”

“The number of foreclosures in swanky neighborhoods throughout Cook County last month drove the county’s foreclosures to highest level since the recession began. Quentin Green, real estate expert and owner of Lincoln Park Homes Ltd., said he recently saw a Lincoln Park home that would have sold for at least $1.5 million in a normal market, sell for $1.2 million in this economic downturn.”

“‘I would be terrified if I had to sell my house right now. I’m thankful that I don’t have to sell,’ said Green. ‘It’s an act of god to get some of these products sold.’”

“Christian Chase of Chase Real Estate, specializing in foreclosure investments, said he’s seen this scenario play out across the city, including the suburbs. He saw it up close with a foreclosed property in Naperville that he purchased from the bank that held the mortgage. ‘It was a property that might have sold at the height of the mark in 2007 for $563,000 that now the bank is letting it go at $371,000,’ said Chase. ‘That’s a substantial discount on a property that’s in good shape.’”

“The problem, experts say, is that sellers who are underwater on their homes—even in tony neighborhoods—are not spending the money on updating their homes to keep them in tip-top shape. ‘It’s like pouring perfume on a pig,’ said Chase.”

“Kawa and his friend have refinanced their Lincoln Park mortgage twice and are now paying only $1,720 in mortgage payments each month, compared with $1,940 previously. That’s given Kawa enough breathing room that if the condo doesn’t sell by April, he has decided to keep it and take on a new roommate to help cover costs. But he has learned a lesson about purchasing real estate.”

“‘Now after going through the experience, I wouldn’t buy a place as an investment. I’d buy because you want to stay,’ said Kawa.”




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Comment by wmbz
2010-03-26 09:28:36

“For Dicristo, losing equity in her home has meant losing the cash she sank into it and losing much of her retirement dream. ‘Emotionally, this has had a very big impact on me,’ she says. ‘It’s changed how I view housing.’”

Wonder how she ‘viewed’ housing before? As a ever increasing easy money making flip to retirement heaven?

To bad Dicristo, you bite into an excrement sandwich. The bad taste will go away someday. Now get on with your life.

Comment by DennisN
2010-03-26 11:11:54

And Dicristo, who was laid off nearly two years ago from her job as a mortgage loan underwriter…

You missed the best part. She - if anyone - should have known how bad the situation was going to become, because she knew first-hand how lax the lending criteria had become.

Comment by Timmy Boy
2010-03-27 00:58:09

“And Dicristo, who was laid off nearly two years ago from her job as a mortgage loan underwriter…”

CAN’T THINK OF ANYONE MORE DESERVING TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN TO….

 
 
 
Comment by SMF
2010-03-26 09:36:07

“Q: What were the main reasons for the housing slump? A: Without a doubt very lax underwriting standards; just trying to give out mortgages for anyone who had a heartbeat. That brought on too many people who were not financially capable. We can clearly see that in hindsight.”

BS, plain, total and complete BS.

How could anyone not realize that placing someone making $50K a year in a $500K home is beyond me. This is not even hard economics, but basic economics.

You can easily tell what someone can afford by how much income they make. Period. Nothing else to it.

And many realtors double dipped, when they sold a house to a client, then helped them with a short sale.

But Yun forgot another reason for the crisis. Prices got too damn high. And the NAR helped that along nicely, too.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-26 10:04:43

And many realtors double dipped, when they sold a house to a client, then helped them with a short sale.

An example of this appears to be playing out just a couple of miles away from me. Couple of former neighbors are using their “friend,” Robert the Realtor, to help them with what appears to be a short sale.

They bought the house in ‘06. As they made this purchase, friend Robert was the listing agent on their house in this ‘hood. They eventually sold it in May ‘07 — for $20k less than they had originally listed.

I’m told that the purchase price of their now-for-sale house was $250k. It’s on the market for $219k. And, yes, once again, the listing agent is their “friend,” Robert.

Sounds like a great guy to lose some money with.

Comment by Michael Fink
2010-03-26 13:14:23

Man.. With friends like that..

Why anyone thinks that you can get a “friend” involved in a money transaction and come out better for it is beyond me.

Business and friendship don’t mix. Especially not when Bob the friendly Realtor is taking a huge commission on the sales. When was the last time a “normal” person got a 3-6K commission check?

I’ll make sure to call him up when I’m in the mood to lose lots of money.. Today’s not that day.

Comment by SMF
2010-03-26 13:26:07

I have stated before that in financial transaction, NO ONE is your friend.

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Comment by Suzyk
2010-03-26 20:43:24

Main Entry: agent
Pronunciation: \ˈā-jənt\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Medieval Latin agent-, agens, from Latin, present participle of agere to drive, lead, act, do; akin to Old Norse aka to travel in a vehicle, Greek agein to drive, lead
Date: 15th century
1 : one that acts or exerts power
2 a : something that produces or is capable of producing an effect : an active or efficient cause b : a chemically, physically, or biologically active principle
3 : a means or instrument by which a guiding intelligence achieves a result
4 : one who is authorized to act for or in the place of another: as a : a representative, emissary, or official of a government

Robert the Realtor is NOT an agent by definition, huckster is more like it but certainly not an “agent”.

 
Comment by J6P
2010-03-27 15:36:35

Sounds just like my ‘Let’s churn your account” stock broker.

 
 
Comment by SDGreg
2010-03-27 03:35:16

“That brought on too many people who were not financially capable. We can clearly see that in hindsight.”

Anybody who was looking or wanted to look could have seem that at the time. When someone is borrowing 5 to 10 times income, even with a job that’s totally stable, there is no good outcome.

 
 
Comment by Muggy
2010-03-26 09:57:56

“It’s not about not having money,’ says Shelby. ‘It’s about not throwing money away.”

I guess her husband cooks with those mushrooms.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-03-26 10:22:27

“It’s not about not having money. It’s about not throwing money away.”

This quote must be enshrined on the HBB as emblematic of the sea change that has occurred.

It’s right up there with, “Buy now or be priced out forever,” “They’re not making any more land,” and others from that earlier, euphoric era.

Comment by Al
2010-03-26 10:52:52

It times like this we could use a troll to come along and tell us how renting is just throwing away money.

Comment by exeter
2010-03-26 11:03:33

EddieTard? Yooo hooo…. EddieTard.

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Comment by stan rinko
2010-03-26 10:12:54

some have never learned. i like how 1 victim says, ‘if i hadn’t lost my job, none of this would have happened.’ at least he knows the proper verb tenses, but he is dead wrong about the feasibility of his house.

he like so many fools took the best year of their lives and figured that their economic picture would improve from that year without interruption.

Comment by CA renter
2010-03-27 02:57:18

+1

 
 
Comment by bob
2010-03-26 10:14:09

My brother is in Ottawa living 6 blocks from parliment hill towards Ottawa U. Argg … he is renting a 1bd/1den/1.75 baths condo for ~$1300. The landlady is taking a $400 loss every month (he thinks) and complains all the time, but will not sell as she has a target price. Basically, the 3 condos she owns have to be the majority of her self-funded retirement.

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It’s Friday desk clearing time for this blogger. “Construction hasn’t begun, but buyers are already signing the dotted line and claiming their spots in Ottawa’s largest condo project ever. A spot in the Tribeca high-rise isn’t exactly cheap: $650,000 is what it will cost for the largest unit – a 1,145-square-foot penthouse. The smallest unit, a 551-square-foot studio, is the most affordable of the Tribeca units at almost a third the cost of the penthouse at $241,000. But at least one real estate seller – and a future Tribeca condo owner – says she thinks that those prices are a steal given the good location. Anna Kiefl purchased a unit in the Tribeca condo as an investment purchase, she says. When construction is complete in 2013 she plans to rent out her unit.”

“‘Where else in the world can you buy a condo for $300,000, six blocks from the Parliament Buildings? You couldn’t do it in Rome, you couldn’t do it in London from Downing Street, you couldn’t do it anywhere else,’ says Kiefl, sales representative for Royal Lepage Performance Reality.”

Comment by DennisN
2010-03-26 10:28:30

Hint: Ottawa isn’t either Rome or London.

I can get you a nice condo down the block from the Idaho state captiol building for less.

 
Comment by Al
2010-03-26 10:39:59

The article was talking about the height restrictions in the Ottawa downtown area being ignored for this project (12 storey restriction, 27 floor condo buildings). This will really ugly up the downtown. Hopefully it never happens.

 
Comment by snake charmer
2010-03-26 11:14:57

If the way American legislators behave is any indication, this might be one instance where the “investment” pays off. I bet someone is already fantasizing about stashing a mistress there or using the place as a love nest.

 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-03-26 11:33:29

“Where else in the world can you buy a condo for $300,000, six blocks from the Parliament Buildings?” ummm….Lagos? Heck, I’m guessing that you could find nice home for the equivalant of $300k in MOST capitals of the world.

Comment by Derek
2010-03-26 12:56:34

Jim
Having lived in a dozen countries. $300K within walking distance to major govt is in the low end of prices.

Comment by DennisN
2010-03-26 15:50:18

Canada is “major govt”?

Dennis ducks and runs……. :lol:

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Comment by Wickedheart
2010-03-26 10:33:15

“Ms. Carter, a mother of two and a real estate agent who poses as an angel with wings on her Web site,”

Okay, that is just wrong to write something like that and not have a picture. I bet horns and tail would suit her better though.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-26 10:59:47

Okay, that is just wrong to write something like that and not have a picture. I bet horns and tail would suit her better though.

Especially when you consider this tidbit, which came earlier in the article:

Ms. Carter, at 4344, arrived in 2005, as the bubble was inflating. She took out tens of thousands of dollars in home equity for repairs and other items, and by this year was underwater on her mortgage by $86,000. A single mother, she moved out this month, days before her home was sold in a short sale, which meant her mortgage lender allowed her to sell for less than the value of her mortgage and the lender took the loss.

True confession: I put the boldface and italics around the words “and other items.” Just to beg the question of what those other items might be.

Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2010-03-26 14:36:05

I’m pretty sure a pair of those “items” is on display in the picture at the bottom of this page:
http://azrealestateangel.com/about_us

No, not the kids.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-26 15:00:36

Ah, yes. I see.

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Comment by Ol'Bubba
2010-03-26 19:06:26

you mean ‘the girls’ ?

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Comment by Jen Bones
2010-03-26 11:21:11

I think I found the picture:

http://tinyurl.com/yewubmd

Luv,
Jen

 
Comment by snake charmer
2010-03-26 11:32:25

Here you go. I imagine she got the idea from the Victoria’s Secret angels.

http://azrealestateangel.com/home

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-26 12:28:56

Here’s a snark-a-riffic page from our favorite real estate angel’s website:

10 Reasons Why I should Be Your Real Estate Agent

Reason #10 is a real classic: I will uphold the highest moral and ethical standards throughout any real estate transaction I am involved in.

 
 
Comment by Jim A.
2010-03-26 11:36:26

She’s “Welcoming you into the financial afterlife”?

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-26 12:20:58

Wouldn’t she need horns for that?

 
 
 
Comment by SMF
2010-03-26 10:34:47

‘It was a property that might have sold at the height of the mark in 2007 for $563,000 that now the bank is letting it go at $371,000,’ said Chase. ‘That’s a substantial discount on a property that’s in good shape.’

::facepalm::

No, it is NOT a discount. The property should have never been worth $563K in the first place.

Is Yahoo! selling at a discount ($16) because at one time it was worth $100 per share?

What about that $200 beanie baby? Is it selling at a discount because now it only costs $5?

Dummies…

Comment by The_Overdog
2010-03-26 12:53:26

Yahoo sells at a discount because they have the dumbest web development staff ever.

Why:
They use birth date as some kind of ’security’ value, which is uneditable, and if you accidentally make yourself too young, because you don’t give a crap how old yahoo thinks you are, then they limit your access to your email and their other services they deem ‘age appropriate’, and you don’t have any ability to change the access permissions or your age.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-26 13:02:49

Do you mean to tell me that they have a dumber webdev staff than GoDaddy? That’s an accomplishment!

 
 
 
Comment by exeter
2010-03-26 10:36:08

HAPPY FRIDAY!

And where else can you go to slice and dice clueless asswipes spewing BS like that noted below except for The HBB?

“Q: Is it difficult getting people to understand how their local market might differ from the national climate? A: All real estate is local. … In Middle America … there was no bubble. Maybe just a modest-level mini-bubble that was occurring, but no major bubbles like the California, Florida markets. Hence, there was very little to pop.”

Have you all heard the latest NAR tripe on the radio “every market is different”? That a remarkable shift considering the message during the bubble years was “it’s going up everywhere. Buy today or be locked out”. But now “every market is different” and “there was no bubble in Middle America” is just another way of saying “don’t worry about the price, it’s fair”.

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-03-26 10:58:12

“In Middle America … there was no bubble. Maybe just a modest-level mini-bubble…”

BS!

If all RE is local, as he says, then all bubbles are relative. This putz keeps trying to sell the idea that the heartland is not rotten. I’m surprised he didn’t hold out ND as shining example. Yeah, ND - which has fewer people than my zip code!

Comment by exeter
2010-03-26 11:01:04

I have to say that this lie is the most insidious and devious at this time in the unfolding of the mania. It’s fraudulent and criminal and nobody is saying a word about it except for us.

 
Comment by SMF
2010-03-26 12:00:34

I recall the stories, prior to the bubble, of how middle America was full of dying towns, especially since their residents were moving towards (then) greener pastures.

As economic logic dictates, as housing demand in a dying town falls, so should home prices. Detroit is example #1 of this.

That prices in Middle America did not fall, but rose a little bit instead, proves that in effect the bubble also affected them.

Comment by CA renter
2010-03-27 03:01:29

Exactly.

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Comment by The_Overdog
2010-03-26 12:54:34

less people = more exclusive!

 
 
 
Comment by wmbz
2010-03-26 10:45:27

“Have you all heard the latest NAR tripe on the radio “every market is different”

Our biggest local builder runs that crap on the radio just about constantly. New little twist in their latest ad.

“There has never been a more ‘important’ time in your life to purchase a home”

Comment by exeter
2010-03-26 10:59:11

Gotta have the sense of urgency in there. Levity is NOT on the menu. It must be approached with a seriousness of great importance, magnitude and consequence. I can hear the mania in the empty skulls now….”we’re gonna miss out Martha….. HURRY!”

Comment by wmbz
2010-03-26 12:04:36

Gotta keep the air of “urgency” going, but it appears to be running head on into reality.

 
 
Comment by Natalie
2010-03-26 11:03:00

Important for whom?

Comment by wmbz
2010-03-26 11:13:13

For the children… of course!

Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-03-26 16:47:13

Whose children?

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Comment by rudekarl
2010-03-26 10:58:13

“There has never been a more ‘important’ time in your life to purchase a home”

What does that mean?

Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-03-26 10:59:44

It means they (the hopebuilders and agents) are starving.

Comment by SMF
2010-03-26 11:13:03

Saw some listings last night for two well-known realtors in our area. Certainly quite low compared to their heights.

 
Comment by wmbz
2010-03-26 11:16:14

You got it!

We had a local real-a-tor in a news paper article state, that any deal he makes, he gets down on his knees and thanks the good lord!

Comment by awaiting wipeout
2010-03-26 15:17:49

LOL. What a tool.
I know quite a few uhs that find their place of worship a great place to “farm”.

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Comment by Silverback1011
2010-03-26 11:05:58

All that I can write after reading the above-grouped excerpts is
” Oink, oink, piggies at the trough looking for more, and all of a sudden their food is drying up. Let the squealing begin ! ”

As for the below, “duh”. Good luck, buyers.

“Construction hasn’t begun, but buyers are already signing the dotted line and claiming their spots in Ottawa’s largest condo project ever. A spot in the Tribeca high-rise isn’t exactly cheap: $650,000 is what it will cost for the largest unit – a 1,145-square-foot penthouse. The smallest unit, a 551-square-foot studio, is the most affordable of the Tribeca units at almost a third the cost of the penthouse at $241,000. But at least one real estate seller – and a future Tribeca condo owner – says she thinks that those prices are a steal given the good location. Anna Kiefl purchased a unit in the Tribeca condo as an investment purchase, she says. When construction is complete in 2013 she plans to rent out her unit.”

“‘Where else in the world can you buy a condo for $300,000, six blocks from the Parliament Buildings? You couldn’t do it in Rome, you couldn’t do it in London from Downing Street, you couldn’t do it anywhere else,’ says Kiefl, sales representative for Royal Lepage Performance Reality.”
udden the food dried up. Let the squealing begin ! “

 
Comment by edgewaterjohn
2010-03-26 11:08:20

“Kawa, 29, and a friend, purchased the condo in July 2005 for $333,0000….They had thought they would be able to sell it for about $380,000 in 2008.”

That’s what…a 14% (gross) return over three years? Yeah, a lot of wunderkind are stuck with condos here. This is going to get very interesting as time goes by. Who do they sell to? Other wunderkind/junior executives? Too bad they aren’t minting so many of those anymore.

Comment by Captain Credit Crunch
2010-03-26 18:37:19

Oh, they are getting minted, just not necessarily getting jobs.

 
 
Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2010-03-26 11:11:39

Here’s the “best” story from the underwater article:

Losing equity has also cost Henry Oviedo, 75, an engineer, his retirement dream.

He bought his home in 2005 in Owings, Md., for $642,000. It did not have a complete basement, so he spent nearly $100,000 to put in an office, a small theater, a bathroom, a fitness room and a big living room. He took out a five-year, adjustable-rate mortgage at 5.85% interest.

When he went to refinance recently, his home was appraised at $590,000.

Oviedo says he has been unable to get his home refinanced because he is upside-down. Nor has he been able to get his mortgage modified. Oviedo is now paying $3,200 a month, but come November, he could face higher payments when the 5.85% rate on his mortgage will be adjusted.

He must retire this year, and Oviedo says his Social Security check won’t be enough to pay his mortgage. His wife, Giselda, is unemployed.

“I am very worried,” he says. “I put $100,000 into the house. It’s very uncertain what is going to happen. I would have liked to have had this as my home in retirement, but I am going to have to go into foreclosure.”

Five years before mandatory(?) retirement this guy takes on $640K debt and blows through $100K on a home theater. Now his “Social Security check” won’t be enough to pay the mortgage?? Unbelievable. Buy this guy a FEMA trailer and buy his unemployed wife an “I’m With Stupid” t shirt.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-26 12:24:03

He bought his home in 2005 in Owings, Md., for $642,000. It did not have a complete basement, so he spent nearly $100,000 to put in an office, a small theater, a bathroom, a fitness room and a big living room. He took out a five-year, adjustable-rate mortgage at 5.85% interest.

And to think that the basement in the house where I grew up still doesn’t have these things. That’s because my dad’s lab takes up most of the space. My mother does the laundry and keeps stored food in the remainder.

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-03-26 12:25:26

The article says he’s 75 years old. That old and he has no other savings? Oh, it’s all in his house!

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahh!

I’m gonna go to the trouble to find their address and send his wife that T-shirt, along with an explanation as to when and why she should wear it.

Comment by Jimmy Jazz
2010-03-26 13:31:52

75 year olds taking out 30 year mortgages is like 75 year olds taking out 30 year old women: it demonstrates unwarranted optimism and will probably result in embarrassing performance issues very quickly.

Comment by Bad Chile
2010-03-26 14:45:04

This guy was an engineer? And he admits in public that he pretty much can’t do basic math?

I wonder if he’s a licensed engineer (P.E.) or if he just calls himself an engineer?

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Comment by DennisN
2010-03-26 16:01:37

Your dad’s lab? He makes meth? :lol:

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-26 16:28:00

Nope, he does research on things like catalysis.

Back In The Day, he was one of the developers of the catalytic converter. That work helped put me through college.

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Comment by CA renter
2010-03-27 03:05:25

Neat history there, Slim. Sounds like a great family. :)

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Huck
2010-03-26 11:40:26

“‘Where else in the world can you buy a condo for $300,000, six blocks from the Parliament Buildings? You couldn’t do it in Rome, you couldn’t do it in London from Downing Street, you couldn’t do it anywhere else,’ says Kiefl, sales representative for Royal Lepage Performance Reality.”

You can do it in Berlin, Germany.

http://www.immobilienscout24.de/45103209?style=is24&is24EC=IS24&navigationbarurl=/Suche/Wohnung-Kauf/Berlin/Berlin/Mitte-Mitte/-/80,00-100,00

 
Comment by swguy
2010-03-26 12:05:21

My wife and I planned a long time ago about our dream idea of retirement and a home that we both can be proud of.
What happen in our upscale area most of these losers came in with income that wouldn’t qualify them to own a home worth no more then 250k.
Now they all want a bail out, like one neighbor told me this morning,this could save me for about two more years and I gave him the bad news, the new program doesn’t apply to homes worth a Million or more.
You also must have decent credit and so forth, I hope I made his day. These people have all but wrecked our values and they still cry about mortage relief so they can invest again and cause another bubble. I say foreclose on all the idoiots except the ones who truly have a problem because of health or layoff.

Comment by AZtoORtoCOtoOR
2010-03-26 18:54:41

I know that this will sound heartless, but health or layoff is not a valid reason not to foreclose on someone. All it does is prolong the agony for everyone. Maybe everyone will think twice about what they are buying if they see people getting kicked out to the street when they don’t make their payments. It is similar to a parent never letting the kid fail so that they can dig themselves out and be stronger for it.

All I read about is the relief folks feel when the dead weight of the house is off of them. If they have equity - sell it. If they don’t, let the bank have it back. We have to get through this unhealthy mess of housing and let things fall down so we have a solid foundation to rebuild things.

This comes from someone whose family lost the farm in the late eighties due to stupid financial decisions and lack of rain in Montana for 2 years. Govt. didn’t bail us out. What a relief it was to be rid of the headaches and get a fresh start. Of course, my now 77 year old, Dad thinks he is going to get back into farming - hey you can dream can’t you?

It is my understanding that back in the day unemployment was setup to pay one’s mortgage. Things are still so out of whack that it barely covers the taxes and insurance now due to overpriced houses. (No, I am not advocating raising unemployment amounts).

Comment by CA renter
2010-03-27 03:08:28

Agree very much with all you’ve said, but think we could help out those who’ve had to deal with severe, physical health problems like cancer or some other catastrophic disease or trauma (maybe not giving them free, “owned” houses, though).

 
 
 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-03-26 12:56:23

Hey Ottawa,

We were there a few years ago. People lining up to get their share of greed whoops, I mean real estate. Take a look at what happened down here. I know, I know, it can’t happen here to us. Aren’t you special…

 
Comment by SanFranciscoBayAreaGal
2010-03-26 12:57:29

Ben,

Nice contrast of articles from Canada to the US. Canada is late to the party crashing. Woohoo

Comment by snake charmer
2010-03-26 13:55:02

It has evolved to the point where we can have two or three Canada threads per week here. It will be interesting to see what, if any, political changes occur once this bursts. I’ve always thought that Canada would be an excellent candidate for a nonviolent breakup if the circumstances were right. Spain too. Violent breakups would be Bolivia and Nigeria.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-26 15:03:26

You’re certainly right about Spain. I lived there for a summer during the 1970s.

The city of Valencia was in the midst of a pride resurgence. Since Franco had died, it was okay to reassert one’s ethnic identity, and by golly, they were asserting it right and left. They were no longer Spaniards, they were Valencianos.

In addition to polishing my Spanish, I learned quite a bit of Valenciano that summer.

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-03-26 15:58:21

I’m slowly working on a book in which the UK and Canada (sans Quebec) break loose and enter the Union each as several states. It’s pretty easy to make the case that the UK is getting a bum deal in the EU and would do better as a half-dozen odd states.

 
 
 
Comment by WT Economist
2010-03-26 13:08:20

“Much of the building was targeted at the higher end of the market, and is unlikely to sell at the prices originally expected.”

The $64,000 question is whether developers will be able to build market rate housing in New York for affordable prices. We need the housing, but the prices got out of hand.

Gee, $64,000 isn’t much with inflation, is it?

 
Comment by ChrisO
2010-03-26 14:12:18

You could probably get a condo for under $300,000 within six blocks of the U.S. Capitol. You might need a machine gun when dealing with some of the locals, but still….

Comment by WHYoung
2010-03-26 15:37:02

yea, there’s a lot of DC the gentrifiers seem to have overlooked for some reason.

Comment by Arizona Slim
2010-03-26 15:44:39

Ummm, could they have overlooked those areas because they weren’t safe enough to gentrify?

 
 
Comment by bink
2010-03-26 17:39:33

That area of Capitol Hill is very nice, actually. I wouldn’t want to have to pass through the security check-points that are arbitrarily thrown up, however.

Move about 6 blocks south or 15 blocks north/east and you’re in some of the worst neighborhoods in the city.

 
 
Comment by jbunniii
2010-03-26 17:47:49

Kawa and his friend have refinanced their Lincoln Park mortgage twice and are now paying only $1,720 in mortgage payments each month, compared with $1,940 previously. That’s given Kawa enough breathing room that if the condo doesn’t sell by April

Absolutely ridiculous. If $220/month is going to make or break your ability to afford your living arrangement, then you are in WAY, WAY OVER YOUR HEAD.

Comment by SaladSD
2010-03-26 18:55:10

The horror, he was “locked into a 5.99% fixed rate mortgage that no bank will refinance.” No, he locked into paying too much for a house. DUH…

 
Comment by DennisN
2010-03-27 09:57:45

Doing a re-fi may also terminate the “non-recourse” status of a mortgage.

Comment by Jay_Huhman
2010-03-27 16:56:09

Illinois is a recourse state; refinancing makes no difference.

 
 
 
Comment by CA renter
2010-03-27 03:15:15

From Ben’s link:

“Christian Chase of Chase Real Estate, specializing in foreclosure investments, said he’s seen this scenario play out across the city, including the suburbs. He saw it up close with a foreclosed property in Naperville that he purchased from the bank that held the mortgage. ‘It was a property that might have sold at the height of the mark in 2007 for $563,000 that now the bank is letting it go at $371,000,’ said Chase. ‘That’s a substantial discount on a property that’s in good shape.’”

“The problem, experts say, is that sellers who are underwater on their homes—even in tony neighborhoods—are not spending the money on updating their homes to keep them in tip-top shape. ‘It’s like pouring perfume on a pig,’ said Chase.”
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Really? Do they really believe that $100K+ price drops are the result of Formica countertops vs. granite?

Apparently, it didn’t have anything to do with unaffordable mortgages and the artificially high prices they wrought.

 
Comment by Captain Reality
2010-03-27 20:24:47

Most people are vain, stupid, and selfish; the whole real-estate mania proves it.

I live in Australia where it hasn’t ended yet. House prices here went up 5% in the 4th quarter of 2009. It’s insane. Private debt levels are through the roof; higher than America’s as a percentage of GDP. The government here GIVES people money to buy houses with. I’m convinced they’ll do almost anything to prop up our housing bubble.

I hope a lot of people here go bankrupt and lose everything. Many Australians truly deserve to lose it all, and that would be the only thing that would teach them a harsh enough lesson so that they don’t do it again.

… but the government will bail them out. I’ve been austerely living in my dogbox for the last few years while others live it up, and when the party ends, I’m quite sure the government will confiscate my wealth to pay for the irresponsible.

I’d move to another country and bring my money with me, but everywhere else seems as bad, if not worse.

Sigh… now I’m starting to understand what communism felt like.

 
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