March 27, 2010

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-27 04:51:29

A Busy week at the radio station. Still very little green shoots from the street. People are still doing their radio shows and hoping for better times ahead.

2 apartments on my street are still for rent (3months) I guess the LL would rather they be empty then lower the price.

$hi**ybank tried to pull a fast one by making the payment date on my CC on a Sunday. I wonder how many paid on Monday (next business day) and were charged late fees?

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 07:01:11

DJ, I wish you would cut your ties with Citi. It doesn’t seem like a healthy relationship.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 07:35:06

Seriously, aNYCdj, the rest of us are considering an intervention for you. Citi is a serial abuser. You must end this Stockholm Syndrome that seems to have taken hold of you.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-27 08:31:40

LOL thanks guys. I was thinking of contacting one of the consumer reporters or even the att. general, and just see how many got caught in this trap.

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Comment by GH
2010-03-27 20:35:25

City is a ghost bank that should have been allowed to go away saving all of us the headache of keeping them around.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-03-27 07:13:18

Good chance that if you paid on Friday they wouldn’t post it til Tuesday.

 
Comment by Timmy Boy
2010-03-27 07:38:00

Just do autopay.. where they take the balance (or monthly min) out of your checking account automatically.

I’ve had my full balance of all my credit cards, cable bills, utilities, etc. auto-debited from my checking account for the past 10 years.

I NEVER… EVER…. EVER… NEVER… EVER… paid 1 cent in interest or penalties during this time.

As a bonus.. I don’t have to remember to mail the check or go to my computer before the deadline.

Right on the bill.. it says “do not pay”… & that my account will be debited on the due date.

EZ… SIMPLE… NEVER MISSES.

Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 08:07:12

So do you have a window between their cut-off date and when they debit your account…?? Do you have time to proof your charges ??

Comment by Timmy Boy
2010-03-27 08:19:14

Yeah… you have quite a window.. usually 1 to 2 weeks.

Bottom line.. DON’T SPEND WHAT YOU DON’T HAVE!!!

If you know you have enough in your checking to cover the entire bill.. then why does it even matter when they debit your account.

If you don’t have enough to cover the whole nut, then:

1) set auto-debit to pay THE MINIMUM
2) you snail-mail in any additional amount

This way… you NEVER, EVER, NEVER, EVER pay a late penalty & get reamed by them jacking your rates.

But the best solution.. once again.. is to just pay it all off.. & never pay interest to fund the banksters!!

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Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-27 08:37:59

Timmy…..trust me i’m not even close to my limit and i’m frugal like you guys. But without a real job for a long time sometimes you just get the cash to pay for it on its due date, and a teller will credit the card immediately. I’ve had the card for 18 years never late or even took a cash advance.

 
Comment by Lenderoflastresort
2010-03-27 15:11:41

aNYCdj, If you have checking or savings with them, just get the cad(s) linked to their branch ATM’s. Then you can transfer funds as much and as often as you like. At least, that’s what I’ve been doing with Citi since circa 1995. It’s so easy. If you don’t want to miss deadlines, just pop into a branch and drop them a 20 or whatever. When you have more, pay in full. I don’t keep much in my accounts there, but I like Citibank for it’s service. Also get overdraft protection. (Overdraught? :) This way, you’re never stuck w/o cash wherever you are. Panhandling for a subway ride is not my style. :) Not to mention that you can use Citbank debit cards in virtually any 7-11 without paying any fees. Very convenient. That being said, I keep my serious funds in a 5 star credit union, whom I’ve been with since 1981. At least they pay 1.55% on MMF. BTW, are you the same NYCdj on creativerealestateonline dot com?

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-27 16:28:35

I closed my checking account with Sh***y when they started charging me $10 to write 1 check(rent)a month…So i have no real choices but to pay my CC in cash each month buts its 8% not a horrible rate. And i pass by it everyday on the way home.

I dunno I used to post a lot to pisssss people off..so maybe

BTW, are you the same NYCdj on creativerealestateonline dot com?

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 09:09:21

If you know you have enough in your checking to cover the entire bill.. then why does it even matter when they debit your account ??

For me it has nothing to do with the money…I don’t want my card paid until I have time to proof the charges…Fraud management and the ability to deny payment on a bad product you might say…I am not sure 1 week is enough time for me…I do make a lot of charges…

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Comment by pmseatac
2010-03-27 11:16:48

I cancelled a citi card late last year after being scammed by them repeatedly during most of 2009. At the end of the year they announced that they were raising my interest rate to 30%, placing a high monthly “non-use surcharge” if I didn’t charge at least $200 per month, a “foreign use surcharge” if I use their card outside the USA, etc. etc. etc.
Now, four months later they are bombarding my mailbox several times every week with their junk mail, offering pre-approved cards at 8.99%.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-27 12:25:06

I guess the Tarp money ran out so they have to be more customer service oriented.

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Now, four months later they are bombarding my mailbox several times every week with their junk mail, offering pre-approved cards at 8.99%.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 05:24:23

True confession: I thought the housing bubble would be so far deflated by now that the story of the collapsed bubble would be as boring as dentistry. Little did I know that Uncle Sam would pursue all-out bubble reflation, to be played out as a fight to the death between Mr Market and government intervention.

Spoiler alert: In the long run, Mr Market always wins.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-03-27 05:34:15

I don’t think many people view the bubble as something that was winding up for a lifetime, sixty years or so, two generations. Time to move further up in the bleachers.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 05:38:49

I was thinking of moving higher up the cliff, binoculars in hand, to get a better view of the naked swimmers on the beach about to be engulfed in a giant tsunami wave.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 05:56:53

Buy what Obama subsidizes:

- green energy
- medical services and technology likely to benefit under health care reform
- (still better) think of the next big subsidy program to be rolled out and figure out what industries will benefit from the flood of liquidity from DC

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 05:58:38

Oops — that was a misfire; meant to respond to Jess below…

 
 
 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 06:31:21

Can you have a sixty-year-long bubble? Seems like an oxymoron.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 06:53:20

Missing your point; isn’t a bubble basically a period when ever-rising prices become ever-more disconnected from fundamentals? If you agree to this definition, then why couldn’t Depression-era financial engineering (e.g. FICA), aided and abetted by a compliant central bank, lead to sixty-year bubbles which create ginormous financial disasters when they ultimately collapse?

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-03-27 07:21:01

1998 didn’t seem so awful, low unemployment, decent home prices, no wars…what happened?

(well, there still was the giant MS dictator, but at least I had a useful Macintosh sling-shot) :-)

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 07:28:08

It seems like by definition a bubble is more transitory. I don’t doubt that the foundation of a future bubble can be laid some years in advance. I think it was the Reagan revolution (you know, the one that said deficits don’t matter and we need less regulation of Wall Street) that laid the groundwork for many future bubbles, but I don’t think the bubbles themselves ’started’ then. It may be a question of semantics.

I mean, if a ‘bubble’ can last sixty years, and give the average person a better life than almost everyone else in the history, and possibly future, of the world, then I say ‘blow some more of them lifelong bubbles, big boyz!’

Like the man said- In the long run, we’re all dead.

 
Comment by oxide
2010-03-27 07:54:51

“I had a useful Macintosh sling-shot”

In 1998? Good lord are you referring to Mac OS-9? Are you on crack? My grad adviser was a Mac fiend and forced us to use Macs, which was compatible with nothing except crashing. We were reduced to fighting over a bare-bones PC….from Compaq no less. :shock: It was during those dark ages that Apple lost me. And just when I thought to forgive them, they began overmarketing their overpriced “tangerine” :roll: plastic iMac, thus losing me forever.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-27 08:43:46

Oxide:

Those Tangerine plastic Imacs are running a lot of internet radio stations i have found out… you would be surprised how easy it is using I-tunes, Nicecast and an Ethernet connection

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-03-27 08:53:54

My grad adviser was a Mac fiend

Geez oxy, I’ve had both MS & Mac in my home & business since 1989…maybe there was something amiss with your OS 9 system?

The most damage I’ve ever experienced was the x1 I used “uninstall” for Norton running on a PC. OMG! ;-)

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-03-27 11:29:32

Will the newborns today ultimately become known as “bubble babies”?

 
Comment by 2banana
2010-03-27 20:12:20

The Muslims wage unceasing war against the Christian Byzantine Empire (Eastern Europe)and take Rhodes and Crete (parts of Greece)…

They launch several assaults against Constantinople (the capital of Byzantine Empire) and expand into North Africa and Central Asia…

They conquer Spain in the west, and move into northern India in the east…

They attack all the way into the northern half of France but are finally stopped at the Battle of Tours…

Infighting between arab and non-arab muslims weakens and divides the empire but attacks continue on Christian territory as Sicily is conquered and mainland Italy suffers plundering raids…

Muslim pirates raid the coasts of Italy and the Byzantines beg for help after a major defeat…

THEN the first crusade starts.

Not excusing what was done, but there is a lot of history prior to the first crusade that always seems to be left out.

 
 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-03-27 07:16:03

Alpha, sometimes I think my whole generation was the oxymoron.

The Crusades were a financial mania, lasted over a century.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 14:31:11

I think of the Crusades as more of a wholesale looting of the more refined, sophisticated, and wealthier East.

ex oriente loot

It did, ironically, lay the foundations of the modern banking system.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 15:41:16

Alpha –

Thanks for the interesting perspective. I am helping my 7th grade son learn about the middle ages, and it is refreshing to get a viewpoint that cannot be found in Western history textbooks.

 
Comment by B. Durbin
2010-03-28 15:22:10

Evil Rob likes to contend that the Crusades were a centuries-long attempt to get silk underwear.*

It’s entertaining, being married to a history major. :D

*Also that beer is what started civilization, and that the Romans invented hamburgers. The hilarious part is that there is a great deal of evidence to support his claims.

 
 
Comment by pismoclam
2010-03-27 21:22:33

I have to reread my copy of ‘The Kontratiev Cycle’. We may be in for a 60 year Winter. (Screw you Igor-algore). Turn on your lights and run your heater. Drive with your windows open. hahahahahaha

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Comment by combotechie
2010-03-27 05:52:36

We still have a long way to go. Lots of more money is yet destined to be destroyed.

To beat this theme to death: Money that is owed but not redeemed is money that is destroyed. Pensions, Social Security payments, Medicare payments - all the money that is owed to receipiants. If the money is written off instead of paid out then the receipiants are hosed.

The numbers guarantee that much of this money will not be paid out, the numbers are just not there. This means lots of people will have to learn to do without, a new experience for many in this generation, but not new to those of previous generations.

Add to this the emergence of an era where taxes are increased and government services are decreased. More taxes for less services. More for less. This is due to a cash squeeze; there is not enough cash circulating to pay the taxes to support the services.

Bottom line: Deflation rules. Prices fall for some things, rises for others. Price won’t rise due to increased demand; they’ll rise due to decreased supply. Because there is/will be a shortage of circulating cash some things just won’t be made available - government services are some of these things, there are sure to be many others.

Interesting Times.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-03-27 06:50:40

The only thing missing in the govts new housing bubble is stated income loans.When will they make it back into the scene?The govt is out of control right now.when we have people like barney and pelosi calling the shots you know you have issues.

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 06:53:15

We need gridlock. I am no fan of the Republicans but they have to win back a chamber. This crime spree is out of control. Obama, and his advisors, have shown exactly what they are and what they think of this country. His 16-cylinder vote buying machine must be stopped.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 07:40:39

Yes, by all means, let’s back the corporate state-backing Republicans over the corporate state-backing Democrats. That will stop our national lemming-like march to ruin and neo-feudalism.

Anyone who votes for these K Street vetted, mass media anointed Establishment candidates is a slavish servant of the status quo. Don’t delude yourself otherwise.

 
Comment by Kirisdad
2010-03-27 07:58:49

I believe NYcityboy stated that we need gridlock, not republican rule.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 08:11:12

No, what we need are individual candidates of integrity who are not creatures of the political and financial elites. And voters who awaken from their media-induced comas and start taking a hard look at where this country is headed and what is required to turn things around.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-03-27 08:29:20

Sammy, NYCityBoy is right. We had gridlock from January 1995 to December 2000. The Republicans controlled Congress. They controlled spending. If not for them, we would have had this health insurance disaster back in 1996. The Republicans hated Clintons and Clintons hated the Republicans.

We have even more angst today. Gridlock has worked in the favor of main street before. It will work again.

 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-03-27 08:33:07

Once I was in my parents backyard on a late hot summer afternoon. I heard a buzzing. I followed the sound.

The noise was from the bottom of some barrel that was tilted up. I looked and saw a fat juicy black widow trying to still a bumblebee.

Both of them deadly.

One was the Clintons. The other the Republicans.

I took a square point shovel and WHACKED them with the flat part. Silence.

Main street won.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-27 08:47:15

Bill:

Was Hillarys plan worse then this? I’d venture a guess it would not have been so intrusive or expensive as the big Oh’s.

If not for them, we would have had this health insurance disaster back in 1996.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 15:43:29

“The Republicans hated Clintons and Clintons hated the Republicans.”

Two-party cold war = detente = no regulatory nukular explosions (like, say, Obamacare…)

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 07:13:37

The govt is out of control right now ??

And has been for 10 years…All of this could have been avoided…Greed & Forced Dogma and out right recklessness ruled for a decade…

Party over oops out of time…

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Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 07:24:06

I think it dates back to about 1982 or 1983.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 08:14:40

Well, being self employed and raising a family through the 80’s & 90’s I know those two decades pretty well…The government corruption that has occurred during the last decade dwarfs those two decades combined with a multiplier…

 
Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 08:42:58

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. I believe the beginning was when Greenspan “fixed” Social Security for Ronald “deficits don’t matter” Reagan. After that there was no stopping it.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 09:14:12

I don’t disagree N-Boy…I guess what I am trying to say is it went systemic the last 10 years…

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-03-28 03:51:19

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 08:42:58
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. I believe the beginning was when Greenspan “fixed” Social Security for Ronald “deficits don’t matter” Reagan. After that there was no stopping it.

Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 09:14:12
I don’t disagree N-Boy…I guess what I am trying to say is it went systemic the last 10 years…

Agree with both of you on this.

 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 07:06:00

Price won’t rise due to increased demand; they’ll rise due to decreased supply ??

I think you are spot on with this prediction and in many ways it is already occurring…

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 07:19:17

Especially if you include banks holding back a future flood tide of REO off the market under the heading of “decreased supply”…

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Comment by arizonadude
2010-03-27 07:27:07

I think that is what the govt is trying to due right now.they want less supply of foreclosures hitting the market so they are giving homedebtors more time to kill.once the sheeple see home prices rising and their neighbors buying a new car they might think twice about letting the home go.

There is a limited supply of homes in some parts of the market, usually the nice areas that are in demand.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 07:32:40

“There is a limited supply of homes in some parts of the market, usually the nice areas that are in demand.”

Luckily for those who are financially well-positioned and want to get into those areas, there is an ARM reset tsunami scheduled to continue from now through 2013 which should shake some of those nicer homes loose for new potential buyers.

 
Comment by ann gogh
2010-03-27 08:09:15

I think I’ll just buy a room in a hospital.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 08:16:30

+ 1 Ann Funny :)

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-03-27 08:44:57

Wait a minute. Ann may be on to something. We tried condo hotels. Why not condo hospitals? You rent the room out to someone else when you’re not using it. :-)

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 09:26:05

I hope they change the sheets.

 
Comment by Zeus Matuze
2010-03-27 12:30:36

My old sheets will be spotless as Obie will have starved and bled me dry.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 15:46:46

How about floating hospitals at sea with private rooms that you can buy on a mortgage loan? Mortgage lending debauchery is likely to be reinstated soon, anyway, as part of the housing bubble / subprime mortgage loan securitization sump pump reflation effort, so why not introduce the floating private hospital room concept?

 
Comment by Carlos4
2010-03-27 15:53:22

If you want to open your new condo hospital youi’d better build it quickly; Obamacare bill halts any new hospitals or expansion of existing ones unless they’re in his designated areas after Dec 31st; WHealth Redistribution !??

 
 
 
 
Comment by OcBystander
2010-03-27 08:52:28

Little did I know that Uncle Sam would pursue all-out bubble reflation, to be played out as a fight to the death between Mr Market and government intervention.

PB, like you, I’ve been following HBB for a long-time. I’m sure if you dig through the archives, you’ll find a pre-”bust” thread about TBTF.

I remember speaking to my wife one day in 05/06 after reading HBB, and something, someone said made me turn to my wife and say (and I quote) - “never discount the government’s ability to completely change the rules of the game.” If we could enumerate a list of HBB commandments, I would ask Ben to put this near the top of this list.

And Mr. Market, I stopped believing in him last year, he’s more mythical than anything else, like unicorns, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, and the US dollar.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 15:48:04

‘I’m sure if you dig through the archives, you’ll find a pre-”bust” thread about TBTF.’

I’m sure I will find Get Stucco’s handle on lots of those archived posts…

Comment by CA renter
2010-03-28 03:56:37

Yes, I’m sure you will.

Have to admit surprise when you say you didn’t anticipate the govt bailouts. If I remember correctly, you were one of the hand-wringers who worried constantly about the bailouts (like me).

All of this was predicted on the HBB, and it will end badly (as predicted, of course!). Question is, who will be most damaged by the consequences: savers who’ve been patiently waiting to buy a house, or debtors who never have to consider whether or not they can ever afford anything, as the govt will always ride to their rescue.

I’m afraid we might be on the losing end…and we’re getting sub-1% rates on our savings to boot! :(

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-03-29 09:19:48

Savers don’t “stimulate” the economy via absurd overspending. They also are far fewer in number than spenders/debters. So, we savers will be hosed.

The new setup is like two wolves and a sheep voting on who’s for dinner. We’re the sheep, ironically.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Jerry
2010-03-27 10:12:00

“long run the market wins” Except the TAXPAYERS who will be paying all of this in the future. Not the Bankers! They will get their bonus, big pay checks, etc nothing will change. The big lobyist behind “closed doors” tells/demands the actions of congess and all of the Washington DC Gang knows where there donations come from. NEVER FORFET THIS EVER!

 
Comment by cobaltblue
2010-03-27 11:14:11

“Spoiler alert: In the long run, Mr Market always wins.”

Well Professor, not that I want to be disagreeable, but I do disagree, what wins and trumps in the long run is Reality and Mathematics. Now, Mr. Market was closely aligned with Reality and Mathematics for many years. Lately the reason Mr. Market has gotten lifted into the stratosphere while Reality and Mathematics have been spelunking is that the Government and Megabank have combined sorceries to repeal financial reporting gravity.
Repealing requirements to report financial assets at market value can do short term wonders for Mr. Market. Bankrupt companies appear solvent. Banks losing twenty dollars per share per year appear to be making ten per year. Everything is magically duplicitous until Reality, almost always in the imperious uniform of General Cash Flow, mercilessly invades the Financials and lays waste to them in the dead of night. It is at this point that Mathematics mysteriously re-appears to the financial world, and everyone openly questions how propping up $700,000 housing prices in Hemet actually allows strawberry pickers to own one.

Reality and Mathematics have been busy digging a deep hole the last few years; and those who have been recently sailing with Mr. Market into the wild blue yonder WILL have some terrifying crashing moments ahead.

MegaBANK on it.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 15:50:54

“Repealing requirements to report financial assets at market value can do short term wonders for Mr. Market. Bankrupt companies appear solvent. Banks losing twenty dollars per share per year appear to be making ten per year. Everything is magically duplicitous until Reality, almost always in the imperious uniform of General Cash Flow, mercilessly invades the Financials and lays waste to them in the dead of night.”

- Smoke-and-mirrors accounting drives a wedge between perceptions and fundamental economic reality.

- In the long run, fundamental economic reality will live on, while smoke-and-mirrors accounting will die (if for no other reason, then because it is illegal).

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-03-27 12:26:24

“Little did I know that Uncle Sam would pursue all-out bubble reflation, to be played out as a fight to the death between Mr Market and government intervention.”

Has anyone publicly questioned the government as to why they are working as hard as they possibly can to make shelter grotesquely expensive and unaffordable for the masses? In an economy based on 70% consumer spending, it would appear their ultimate goal is to crush any sort of economic rebound as high priced shelter destroys discretionary consumer spending.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 15:52:00

“Has anyone publicly questioned the government as to why they are working as hard as they possibly can to make shelter grotesquely expensive and unaffordable for the masses?”

The government has publicly stated again and again that they are working to make housing affordable.

Comment by GH
2010-03-27 20:23:12

Housing payments for those who are way behind, and have effectively destroyed their credit ratings for 10 years at a minimum.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-27 17:16:16

A lot of the Level 3 assets are… take a wild guess. It begins with an R.

 
 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-03-27 12:48:34

“True confession: I thought the housing bubble would be so far deflated by now that the story of the collapsed bubble would be as boring as dentistry.”

It truly is remarkable how long this is dragging out. A 4 bedroom house just sold for $600k in the Ravenna neighborhood of Seattle, an area of mostly smaller, older homes on postage stamp lots near UW. This house would bring $1750 rent if they were lucky. The PITI assuming $120,000 down is roughly $3800 per month. The bubble lives on.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 15:53:11

Seattle is some distance away from the SoCal housing bubble epicenter; hence the tsunami waves generated from the source are hitting Seattle after a time lag.

Comment by CA renter
2010-03-28 04:01:35

Have to disagree there, PB.

The bubble in Seattle is the same bubble we are (again) witnessing here. Prices in neighborhoods **all across the country** (and around the globe, BTW) are stagnant/rising when they should be falling.

This is the INFLATION bubble, IMHO (as opposed to the credit bubble) where newly-printed money (see the long list of funding programs in the multi-trillion dollar range) is chasing fewer and fewer goods.

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Comment by Pondering the Mess
2010-03-29 09:22:05

Just so long as we don’t have wage inflation, things will be “fine” - the FED said so!?

 
 
 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-27 17:18:07

The S&L disaster lasted several years.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 05:29:15

Is this the program among those the Treasury Secretary recently announced would not be rolled out until at least a year from now?

U.S. Plans Big Expansion in Effort to Aid Homeowners
By DAVID STREITFELD
Published: March 25, 2010

The Obama administration on Friday will announce broad new initiatives to help troubled homeowners, potentially refinancing several million of them into fresh government-backed mortgages with lower payments.

House keys representing distressed homes were displayed at a hearing Thursday of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on preventing home foreclosures.

Another element of the new program is meant to temporarily reduce the payments of borrowers who are unemployed and seeking a job. Additionally, the government will encourage lenders to write down the value of loans held by borrowers in modification programs.

The escalation in aid comes as the administration is under rising pressure from Congress to resolve the foreclosure crisis, which is straining the economy and putting millions of Americans at risk of losing their homes. But the new initiatives could well spur protests among those who have kept up their payments and are not in trouble.

The administration’s earlier efforts to stem foreclosures have largely been directed at borrowers who were experiencing financial hardship. But the biggest new initiative, which is also likely to be the most controversial, will involve the government, through the Federal Housing Administration, refinancing loans for borrowers who simply owe more than their houses are worth.

About 11 million households, or a fifth of those with mortgages, are in this position, known as being underwater. Some of these borrowers refinanced their houses during the boom and took cash out, leaving them vulnerable when prices declined. Others simply had the misfortune to buy at the peak.

Many of these loans have been bundled together and sold to investors. Under the new program, the investors would have to swallow losses, but would probably be assured of getting more in the long run than if the borrowers went into foreclosure. The F.H.A. would insure the new loans against the risk of default. The borrower would once again have a reason to make payments instead of walking away from a property.

Many details of the administration’s plan remained unclear Thursday night, including the precise scope of the new program and the number of homeowners who might be likely to qualify.

Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-03-27 07:23:56

These endless headlines of
“New government initiative to help stave of foreclosures”

are starting to remind me of:
“New government initiative to reduce dependency on foreign oil”.

In each case, the ability of government to have any desired effect beyond the margins is probably minimal at best, and then what they end up actually doing only makes the situation worse.

We nay not be completely finished dealing with the fallout from this wreckage for a good 20 years, the way things are going.

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 07:25:34

The war on foreclosures should be a complete success.

It will join the government’s other well known successes such as The War on Poverty, The War on Drugs, The War on Terror, etc.

It’s all good.

Comment by exeter
2010-03-27 07:32:36

An no war has been as successful as the War on Savers.

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Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 07:52:44

Ha, Ex, that is so funny. I was going to work that into my post. I even typed it and then deleted it. I figured I would leave that red meat dangling for another HBBer.

You and I don’t see eye to eye on politics but we are sympatico when it comes to the War on Savers being waged by General Bernanke and Admiral Blankfein.

 
Comment by exeter
2010-03-27 08:49:23

We may not be on the same wave length as far as political figures but I think we’re closer than you think when it comes to *public policy*. And it’s public policy that matters. The political personality crap is just another means to demogogue and demonize.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 10:47:20

Yes, it’s junk politics at its worst. Practiced by both parties to divert the sheeple from the real issues.

 
Comment by Zeus Matuze
2010-03-27 12:36:18

“Yes, it’s junk politics at its worst. Practiced by both parties to divert the sheeple from the real issues.”

Goodness!… one might surmise SS has a negative perspective of the K Street Vomitorium.

 
Comment by VegasBob
2010-03-27 17:13:39

Hmm…

I think Greedscam & Bernokio’s War on Savers is the only thing the government has been successful at in years…

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 17:52:47

“…the only thing the government has been successful at in years…”

I dunno. They have a pretty good start at delivering affordable housing. Another 30-50 percent off ought to get-’er-done in coastal Cali.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 07:34:22

Apparently, War on Whatever is good.

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Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 07:53:48

Give me war and give me czars. That is what makes a nation strong. Add to that a central bank to destroy our money and life is a cabaret.

 
Comment by CA renter
2010-03-28 04:04:47

Good one, NYCityBoy

 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-03-27 08:12:37

King George
George Washington
George Shrub

War,War,War

Can’t we do something about that damn name!

Even Johnny Cash:

“And if I ever have a son, I’ll name him Bill, George…anything but Suzanne!” :-)

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 09:30:08

I said, ‘My name is Sue(zanne)! How do you do? You’re gonna buy!

 
 
 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-03-27 07:53:51

“Under the new program, the investors would have to swallow losses, but would probably be assured of getting more in the long run than if the borrowers went into foreclosure.”

Is this plan making it more difficult for investors to cut their losses? They might get more in the long run through this plan - as far as they have any choice here - but tying up whats left of their capital for that long of a time under rates considerably less than what they were initially promised can’t hold very much appeal. The servicers, however, might make some extra coin.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 05:32:08

New American
Housing: Washington Only Delaying Inevitable
Written by Bob Adelmann
Friday, 26 March 2010 20:30

home foreclosureFriday’s announcement of more intervention in the housing mortgage market will result in a deeper, longer, and more painful delay in the inevitable decline in housing prices that are necessary to clear the market. According to the Obama administration, the “broad new initiatives” will help troubled homeowners to refinance their existing mortgages with more favorable affordable ones provided directly by the government. Part of the new program is “meant to temporarily reduce the payments of [those] borrowers who are unemployed [but are] seeking a job.” In addition, the enhancements include inducements to “encourage lenders to write down the value of loans [already] held by borrowers in modification programs.”

In simple English, HAMP (the Home Affordable Modification Program), announced with great fanfare and high expectations early on in the Obama administration, isn’t working, and so more of the same is required. The original intent of HAMP was to “better assist responsible homeowners who have been [negatively] affected by the economic crisis through no fault of their own … and to help more people who owe more on their mortgage than their home is worth.”

Despite claims from the Treasury Department that “more than four million homeowners have refinanced their mortgages to more affordable levels…[and] more than one million are saving … over $500 per month through the … program,” the program “continue[s] to see challenges.” And so, the new program enhancements “will provide more opportunities for lenders to restructure loans for some families.”

Comment by arizonadude
2010-03-27 06:52:04

Welfare for homeowners?

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 06:54:16

Welfare for home debtors. Those “owners’ don’t own $hit.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-03-27 07:01:59

That is true brother.the banks own their @sses.Bend over and meet your new masters: jamie dimon, goldman, bofa, citi,and mr wells.

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Comment by exeter
2010-03-27 07:33:51

Wrong.

The precise term is LoanOwners.

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Comment by pmseatac
2010-03-27 11:25:35

loan moaners ?

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 06:57:50

If they are targeting mortgage bailouts on Detroit, perhaps they should call it the Riot Prevention Act?

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 07:11:52

“The Detroit 1967 race riot or the 1967 Detroit rebellion was a multiracial civil disturbance in Detroit, Michigan that began in the early morning hours of Sunday, July 23, 1967. The precipitating event was a police raid of an unlicensed after hours bar then known as a Blind Pig on the corner of 12th Street and Clairmount on the city’s near westside. Police confrontations with patrons and observers on the street evolved into one of the deadliest and most destructive riots in U.S. history, lasting five days and surpassing the violence and property destruction of Detroit’s 1943 race riot.

To help end the disturbance, the Michigan National Guard was ordered into Detroit by Governor George Romney, and President Lyndon B. Johnson sent in United States Army troops. The result was forty-three dead, 467 injured, over 7,200 arrests and more than 2,000 buildings burned down.”

Anyone who has driven through Detroit over the past few decades with their eyes wide open realizes the city never recovered from this riot.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 07:15:04

“Governor George Romney”

Yes, that’s Mitt’s dad.

 
Comment by Blue Skye
2010-03-27 07:24:02

As I remember, there was quite a party in Newark NJ too. I came into the bus station after a six week camping trip in Maine, to a ghost town with no trains running. Papers blowing through the empty streets like a Twilight Zone episode.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 07:36:38

“Papers blowing through the empty streets like a Twilight Zone episode.”

Lovely image that…

 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 07:45:02

This has nothing to do with “helping” homeowners. It’s yet another massive liquidity injection of printing-press dollars for the banksters.

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 07:55:19

And as a side benefit the politicians get to buy a bunch of votes.

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Comment by frank
2010-03-27 09:16:21

maybe there aren’t any responsible homeowners who can stomach dealing with this gawdawful program.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 05:37:29

It took no time whatever for bailout-stimulated moral hazard to come to fruition. I predict more bubbles and bailouts to come before we leave the woods of this manic episode in financial history.

Bankers return to their bad habits
By Francesco Guerrera
Published: March 26 2010 17:23 | Last updated: March 26 2010 17:23

After spending a week in Hong Kong talking to bankers and other assorted grandees, I am beginning to question whether the financial crisis actually happened.

I am pretty sure that the collapse of Lehman Brothers, the near-failure of AIG and the dance of death performed by Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs in 2008 were not figments of my imagination.

But after listening to the regional heads of large Wall Street and European firms extolling the virtues of fast-growing economies, speaking admiringly of bulging “deal pipelines”, and spouting clichés about the “world moving east”, one does wonder about the short-term memory of some financial wizards. All the talk in the glass-clad skyscrapers overlooking Hong Kong’s magnificent harbour was of the princely pay packages commanded by star bankers moving firms. In a week in which Kenneth Feinberg, the US “pay tsar” announced a retroactive probe into the compensation of Wall Street executives during the crisis, Asia’s financial titans could not stop swapping stories on the size of the bonuses being paid to new recruits.

Some even tried to claim that the industry was showing admirable restraint by limiting “guaranteed bonuses” – an oxymoronic ruse to lure coveted bankers – to “just” one year instead of the two or three popular before the crisis.

The disconnect between this Asian exuberance and the restraint preached by regulators (and begrudgingly espoused by banks in Europe and the US) is partly explained by the physical distance between the region and the crisis’s epicentre.

In the words of an old Chinese adage on the power of local governments, “the mountains are high and the emperor is far away”.

The fact that Asia played a smaller role in the financial meltdown, and that its growth prospects are vastly superior to that of the Old World, also helps to explain the diverging moods. But the return of big pay cheques and aggressive hiring is also symptomatic of the broader malaise of an industry that stubbornly refuses to learn from its mistakes.

During the turmoil and its aftermath, Wall Street’s titans solemnly declared that the crisis had put paid to many bad habits.

Uneconomical lending, outsized pay packages and the reckless race to the regulatory bottom – we were assured – would go the way of the dinosaurs.

The promise was so heartfelt that it even gained its own bit of jargon. In the Street’s mantra, the traumatic events of 2007 and 2008 were not a cyclical downturn but a fundamental “reset” for banks.

Today, those words ring sadly hollow.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 06:58:57

Citation: That article is from the Financial Times.

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 07:14:55

“the mountains are high and the emperor is far away”

In the modern day U.S.A. I might just say the mountains are far away and the emperor is high. That seems more accurate.

Comment by Timmy Boy
2010-03-27 08:06:31

Pfffffffftt.

****** Spit coffee on my screen ***********

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Comment by palmetto
2010-03-27 05:37:39

Housing bubble ravages Hemet, CA. Send in the gangs!

“As the years went by, the gracious old homes with stately shade trees gave way to cookie-cutter tract houses and strip malls. Young families searching for affordable housing flocked here, swelling the population to more than 70,000.”

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/mar/25/local/la-me-hemet26-2010mar26

Years ago I read an article in the Atlantic Monthly about how soulless housing and zoning destroys communities and the individual spirit.

Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 07:21:15

zoning destroys communities ??

Translation; Greed destroys communities…The rules of “municipal planning” were thrown out the window and money was the name of the game…

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-03-27 07:34:43

Ha, my lil’ brother lives in Hemet, here’s a first hand summation: ;-)

“…The City should have stay with seniors in double-wides and cows that produce milk…the only “gang” they belong to was AARP & the Dairy Council”

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 07:47:36

AARP is the greediest gang of them all.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 08:20:48

the only “gang” they belong to was AARP & the Dairy Council” ??

You crack me up Hwy… :)

 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-27 09:06:50

But it’s been difficult. The department has been hit hard by budget cuts and is down from 91 to 68 officers.

 
 
Comment by john banner
2010-03-27 05:44:08

What we are seeing is failed political leadership. Nobody has the heart to tell the American people how deep the problems are. We are still in denial. Our president continues to spend money hoping to get past the next election. It looks like he might make it.

I hear a lot of snide comment about the Teabaggers. Granted they are a motley crew. At least they are trying to get engaged in the political process. I would rather have people question our government and then act than to have internet posters blog ad infinitum how the Teabaggers don’t represent them.

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 07:11:13

I love the snide comments about the tea parties. People act like this should be just a collection of saints. On balance I would say they are doing something that is okay. Will people try to co-opt the movement? Of course. That always happens. But the Tea Parties are a symbol that Americans are mad at what is going on and want the corruption reigned in.

I remember a few years ago a buddy of mine laughed when I mentioned Ron Paul’s name and called him a nut. I have never let him live that down. Nobody is going to agree with every idea a person has but Ron Paul understands that the root of our problems is an unsound money system. We no longer have a money system that is worthy of respect and that is filtering throughout society. When the dollar is a source of scorn and uncertainty then society begins to have less trust overall.

Combo may say cash is king but the dollar has been turned into a whore. Until the dollar regains some virtue these problems will not be solved. Too bad the dollar’s pimp daddy, Bernanke, continues to cover her in makeup and douse her with cheap perfume. He then sends her out to the street corner to be ravaged by the johns of Wall Street. We need to get rid of the pimps and the johns.

Those same people that ridicule the Tea Parties may look just as silly as my buddy that called Ron Paul “a nut”.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 08:26:44

I can’t speak to Ron Paul, but his son, Rand (who seems to have very similar ideas in general to his father), is running for the US senate in my state (Ky). There’s no bible he hasn’t thumped, no EPA regulation he hasn’t demanded be ended. He’s running as a far-right, religious conservative, know-nothing Republican.

I think a lot of people read a lot of what they’d like to see into the Pauls, without a lot of evidence that it’s really there. I’m watching one of them run first-hand, and if you think they’re somehow above partisan politics and represent a fresh new way of thinking, then I’ve got a bridge in your city I’d like to sell you.

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 08:47:17

And they are still better than the rest of the swarm.

Which bridge would that be? I’ve had my eye on the Brooklyn Bridge for a while. It needs a little work but if I can get 0% financing I think we can get something done.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 08:48:15

http://www.randpaul2010.com/issues/

Once again, alpha, you engage in spurious mischaracterizations of people you seem to know very little about.

If anyone wants to see where Rand Paul stands on this issues, here’s a link so you can judge for yourself where he stands. Do I agree with him (or his father) across the board? No. But compared to their Establishment counterparts, they’re a huge step in the right direction.

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Comment by I Can't do fifty-five
2010-03-27 09:12:09

Right on. The problem with people like Alpha is they pretend they are independents and they expect a lot from Pubies and conservatives, who they dislike. At the same time they lap up every talking points and same BS from the Dems and Obama.

The rule of being independent is to judge people with same standards.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 09:42:54

How do you guys square Rand’s disdain for environmental regulation. I mean, he’s basically against the existence of the EPA. How is that ‘forward thinking’? Do we want to return to the days of burning rivers?

There are some things I agree with them on, including auditing the Fed, bet the rest of their stands are farcical. They’re no ‘third party’, they’re far-right Republicans.

I can’t buy all their crap just to get a few kernels of corn.

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 10:54:05

Dr. Paul opposes all federal bailouts of private industry. He strongly criticized the $700 billion bank bailout, AIG bailouts, and auto bailouts, as well as the trillions of dollars the Federal Reserve have printed to fund the subsidization of bad business.

Rand Paul would vote to oppose any and all federal bailouts. Instead, he will fight to balance the budget, pay down national debt, restore the value of the Dollar, and allow the responsible to replace the reckless in the marketplace. America is the land of opportunity, to succeed and to fail. It’s time our government starts promoting responsibility.

That’s what clinches it for me.

It’s always amusing how Lib-Dems act like if someone like Ron or Rand Paul get elected, they’ll rule by decree. Hardly. But their election would send a seismic shock through the corrupt, crony-capitalism political system. Nothing terrifies the plutocrats more than the thought of the sheeple waking up.

 
Comment by palmetto
2010-03-27 11:21:01

“How do you guys square Rand’s disdain for environmental regulation.”

He’s a politician in Kentucky. If I were him I’d do the exact same thing, and then once in, work like hell to bring the coal industry to heel, especially that bloated turd, what’s his name.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 11:21:48

I’m silly enough to think that destroying our environment could possibly be even more damaging than destroying our economy- and more long-term.

Or are you saying, ‘Don’t worry, their crackpot ideas will be contained by more rational parties.’ ? In which case, someone has to support the more rational parties, eh?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 11:27:01

especially that bloated turd, what’s his name.

You’re gonna have to narrow it down a lot more than that, if you’re talking about Kentucky politicians.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 11:48:23

It’s always amusing how Lib-Dems act like if someone like Ron or Rand Paul get elected, they’ll rule by decree.

Isn’t that exactly how you act about Obama?

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 12:34:39

Alpha,

Obama doesn’t have to “rule by decree.” He presides over a Parliament of Whores bought and paid for our financial elites. While the sheeple may elect these Republicrats, an army of lobbyists for big business and special interests write the legislation they sign off on, while the media sells them as the people’s candidates. Brand Obama was successfully pitched by Wall Street and its MSM propaganda outlets to the dupes of Main Street. There wasn’t a dime’s worth of substantive difference between Obama and McSame when it came to substantive points like bailing out the banks or pushing for an amnesty that would further depress wages for working people. Candidates such as Ron or Rand Paul who threaten to upset these cozy and symbiotic arrangements between Big Business and Big Government are depicted as off the reservation by the corporate-controlled mass media.

I do not share Ron or Rand Paul’s faith in “free markets” to self-regulate their behavior. Human greed and predatory instincts need to be kept in check, and the eco-system that sustains us needs to be safeguarded. However, when you have regulators who are either grossly incompetent or (more likely) wittingly complicit in the massive swindles being perpetrated by Wall Street, then clearly accountability is lacking. Does any sane person believe that Chris Dodd or Barney Frank, who should be sharing a prison cell for their roles in creating the housing bubble, should be presiding over bank reform? We need a true separation of powers, independent oversight, and severe penalties for dereliction of duty in watchdog agencies. This is especially true given the complete abdication of the Fourth Estate’s traditional role of looking out for and reporting on news in the public interest, instead of shilling for their corporate masters. These changes will not happen as long as the current Establishment politicians maintain their monopoly on the levers of power.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 16:03:57

I do not share Ron or Rand Paul’s faith in “free markets” to self-regulate their behavior. Human greed and predatory instincts need to be kept in check, and the eco-system that sustains us needs to be safeguarded.

On this we agree, mon ami. Perhaps you’re not such an idealist after all?

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 16:09:27

I’m very much an idealist. But I walk through this world with my eyes open.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-03-27 07:51:50

“I would rather have people question our government and then act than to have internet posters blog ad infinitum how the Teabaggers don’t represent them.”

Here’s what I believe, without slurs or spit

http://www.best-norman-rockwell-art.com/norman-rockwell-saturday-evening-post-article-1943-02-27-freedom-to-worship.html

Here’s the thing about “their” ANGER, …what an amazing coincidence that it happens exactly in America’s history at the precise juncture that OUR Nation freely elects the 1st “Non-Hawaiian”

Now…NOW, they are ANGRY! and “By GOD, we know whose to blame!” ;-)

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 10:57:11

But Hwy50ina49Dodge, you ARE free to worship! Free to worship corporate consumerism. Free to worship The One. Free to place your trust in Big Brother to protect you.

Any other sort of freedom is subversive.

 
Comment by nickpapageorgio
2010-03-27 20:27:08

The tea party is a movement and its gathering strength. Its make up becomes more diverse each passing day. It is comprised of ordinary freedom loving citizens who have been laughed at, ignored, pushed around, taxed to death, regulated to death, called ignorant, called haters or nazis. Over the years most have just kept on living their lives, working, caring for their families and communities while watching the country they love slowly taken over by progressives on the right and left. Watching as they are told how to speak, how to dress, what they can eat, what they can drink, what they can smoke, where they can smoke, what cars they can drive, etc. Throw in the out of control SPENDING/BAILOUTS and boom…you have the glue that seals the movement.

These people are the engine of our nation and have reached a point where they are not going to take it any longer, they are going to fight back using the same Saul Alinsky tactics the big spending and big regulating progressives have used all of these years. They (TP) will not be going away this time, the progressives have been outed and hard working citizens (who normally just lap up the campaign rhetoric and pull the lever only to realize they got punked) see what is behind the curtain of deceit and it scares the $h.t out of them.

 
 
Comment by ann gogh
2010-03-27 08:12:57

Teabaggers= ball buddies!

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 16:15:50

Thanks for bringing this up. I always thought that “teabagging” was a gay practice generally only conducted behind closed doors. I find it perverse that all these politicos are making this the symbol of their platform.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 08:30:47

internet posters blog ad infinitum how the Teabaggers don’t represent them ??

They don’t represent me thats for sure…Put a thin veil of government spending as the teaparty agenda but behind the veil is Limp-baugh, Psychopath Savage, Bigot Beck and the point girl the Hypocrite Palin…

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 09:02:59

I also think they often engage in acts of personal intimidation. Their behavior outside the Capitol as the health-care bill was passing, their big rally right by Harry Reid’s house in a tiny Nevada town, Palin’s postings of congressmen ‘targeted’ with rifle crosshairs , these things remind me of the KKK, not some bunch of latter-day patriots.

I don’t doubt there were and are some good people in the movement. But they are definitely being drowned out by the loonies. If there’s any hope for it to be a real ‘reform’ movement, they need to wrest control of it back from the Palinistas.

I would love a rational, practical, intelligent third party- this doesn’t seem to be it.

Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 09:26:13

I agree Alpha…

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Comment by FB wants a do over
2010-03-27 10:11:40

Agreed.

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Comment by nickpapageorgio
2010-03-27 23:11:25

“remind me of the KKK”

So if you are against Progressive Government policies, you are a racist? This type of bizarre rhetoric is precisely what motivates the so called tea baggers to defeat politically those with like points of view.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 12:45:47

internet posters blog ad infinitum how the Teabaggers don’t represent them ??

Can anyone, including the tea partiers, tell me what exactly they DO represent? Other than “anger” they have yet to articulate or coalesce around a coherent set of beliefs. Sarah Palin is emerging as one of their darlings, yet today she shared a stage with the revolting RINO John McCain and gushed about what a great patriot and maverick he is - truly a puke-worthy performance. Beck makes some valid points but he’s also a bit of a rabble-rouser. In a recent poll, something like 25% of Republicans said Obama might be the Antichrist, which gives us insight into the intellectual caliber of the Republican base. The tea partiers seem to be all over the map in terms of what they think is wrong with the country and how to fix it. So how can they “represent” the sane portion of the population?

 
 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-27 17:34:10

The tea baggers are morons.

And it was 10 years of the Bush admin (and almost 20 years of a Repub controlled Congress) that got us into this mess and it won’t be fixed overnight.

And Obama has stated REPEATEDLY how bad things are, but the bankers now control this country and they won’t be leashed without a serious, long term fight. One in which the rest of us may well end up as collateral damage.

 
 
Comment by jess
2010-03-27 05:47:29

There’s going to be a lot of quite surprised folks here and everywhere , as this economy comes roaring back . Sure , housing may not be a part of it , as houses return to the historical status of a place to live in , not a piggy-bank of sorts . So what is going to drive this new spurt in the economy ? Wish we knew , so we could get on the band-wagon early . And then get off with pockets full at the apex .

Comment by combotechie
2010-03-27 06:01:57

“There’s going to be a lot of quite surprised folks here and everywhere, as this economy comes roaring back.”

“So what is going to drive this new spurt in the economy?”

I just love reading posts like this one.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-03-27 06:11:23

Me too. We will make it through this of course, and people with vision and energy will thrive. Many will be surprised that normal involves real work, not just gambling.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 06:21:07

How many decades into the future are you and Jess expecting this “new normal” to emerge?

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Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 06:28:32

I can’t wait for the miracle recovery. Surely we can ignore a few nagging details to get there.

- We have the opaque Federal Reserve creating endless amounts of money and funneling it to Wall Street and our government.

- We have a crime syndicate on Wall Street that is slicing off a bigger part of the pie all the time, under the protective eye of the government officials that are supposed to be regulating them.

- We are racking up deficits, the stated part at least, that are 10 to 15 percent of our GDP. This is even worse than Greece.

-We have nearly every state having major financial problems even after they have pushed up state income taxes, property taxes and sales taxes for the past 40 years.

-We have a federal income tax, most likely unconstitutional, that is sure to rise for anybody that is not on Obama’s vote buying list.

- We have a cancerous mortgage market that is more and more controlled by our government apparatchiks every day. The losses on their books will probably run into the trillions. Fortunately, this debt is not counted against the national debt.

- We have a populous that grows more and more hooked on government handouts every day.

- We have massive entitlement programs that are an unfunded train wreck and now we have added healthcare to this witches cauldron.

Yep, there really is nothing to worry about. It is all blue skies and clear sailing ahead.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 07:02:40

“This is even worse than Greece.”

No worries there. The Greek crisis is over already in just a matter of weeks after it flared up.

 
Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 07:16:05

I have never had one but I hear hemorrhoids have a habit of coming back for more flareups.

 
Comment by ACH
2010-03-27 07:44:40

“I have never had one but I hear hemorrhoids have a habit of coming back for more flareups.”

Hey! That kind of talk will give hemorrhoids a bad name.

Roidy

 
 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 06:39:37

“So what is going to drive this new spurt in the economy?”

IMO, this is the spurt, or squirt or shoot or whatever you want to call it…What you see is what you get…Yes, it will have bounces here and there but nothing like what this nation experienced from 1999-2007…Planning your future around this new normal or new reality I belive would be wise…Include this in your planning….A national sales tax…

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 06:41:53

If that’s the case then the nation needs to be disbanded. Let those that believe like these East Coast elitists have their own country. Slice New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, D.C. and Massachusetts from the rest of the nation. Let them be their own country. Something tells me they would not last long, as the host tells the parasites to “f–k off”.

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Comment by combotechie
2010-03-27 06:48:50

“Slice New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, D.C. and Massachusetts from the rest of the nation.”

Is it possible to tow them out to sea?

 
Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-03-27 06:51:13

If you want to understand what we have gone through, and are now going through, read the Wikipedia article titled, “Gilded Age.”

Rapid economic growth, extravagant displays of wealth and excess, ending with the Panic of 1893 that lasted four years, and followed by the Progressive Era.

Sound familiar?

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 07:05:15

‘Something tells me they would not last long, as the host tells the parasites to “f–k off”.’

This version of symbiosis is destined to continue at least for the near-term, as the host is already too weakened by the parasite to stand up to it.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 07:50:15

“Rapid economic growth, extravagant displays of wealth and excess, ending with the Panic of 1893 that lasted four years…”

How could such things ever occur when we were on a gold standard and we had unregulated ‘free markets’? Pas possible.

 
Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 07:58:20

Something tells me the gold standard wasn’t so golden. I bet there were a lot of bank notes out there backed by nothing but hot air. Just like today. The central bank allowed us to institutionalize that hot air.

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-03-27 15:56:08

The wealth from the “Gilded Age” is still floating around, and a lot of those robber baron’s offspring are still filthy rich. One hundred twenty five years from now, there will be some snot-faced brat with the last name of Mozillo, Fuld, or O’neal living in the lap of luxury on the backs of the subprime loan losers more than a century earlier. Some things never change.

 
 
 
Comment by arizonadude
2010-03-27 06:59:12

The stimulous money to build roads and bridges is all I see happening.Nothing has changed to me since the economy tanked.when you have an economy based on housing equity you have problems.

Home ownership has become like buying a car, totally based on payment.this in turned has created way to much leverage in our economy.Most of thse people buying homes are basically renting from the bank.run the numbers on a 300k house with 3.5% down and you will be paying at least 600k for this house over 30 years if you stick around that long.Most people move on average every 7 years.so after 7 years you have paid virtually nothing toward principal.

Alert:: the bank owns you!!!!!!!!!!

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 07:21:40

Parasites generally do own their hosts; it is pretty much a law of nature.

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Comment by Rancher
2010-03-27 07:04:33

Anyone know how to get hot coffee out of a keyboard? Combo, you owe me.

 
 
Comment by Bad Chile
2010-03-27 06:02:52

Based upon my BFF report (below), being an FDIC regulator seems pretty lucrative these days. Espically if you don’t mind a steady diet of Waffle House, Chick ‘fil A, and Bojangles.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-03-27 07:30:48

I went to bojangles once in n. carolina.I cant even remember what they serve.Are they a burger or chicken chain? The awful house seems like a glorified dennys.

Comment by Bad Chile
2010-03-27 08:21:03

Chicken. I love Bojangles. Cinnabiscuts and chicken breakfast sandwich…Mmmmm….I need to work on my resume for the FDIC.

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Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-03-27 16:17:35

Having not read the post you replied to beforehand, your post was screaming “word salad”.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 07:54:08

On the contrary, a lot of fools lulled into complacency by all the happy talk of “the economy roaring back” -translation: rampant consumerism continues apace with borrowed printing-press money - are in for the shock of their lives once the whole rotten edifice of artifice comes crashing down. There can be no such thing as “prosperity” built on debt and leveraged speculation. This is going to end badly, and soon.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 16:18:03

“…edifice of artifice…”

Nice turn of the phrase…

 
Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-03-27 16:50:54

It’s already ending very badly, for many, many people. I just bought something off of craigslist, and when I went to pick it up I ended up talking to the nice old guy. He’s 70 years old, and selling all sorts of stuff. Pride kept him from sharing the obvious- that he’ll be losing his longtime residence- but he did share how difficult things had become for him insofar as employment is concerned.

He has been a contractor his whole life. He misread the market, and didn’t see this coming, buying into the hype that there was a population explosion, and the demand was real. In hindsight, he feels very foolish. He did not make a killing, but work was very steady, and he kept as busy as he wanted. Now, he cannot find any work building, and has been trying to get handyman work, but failing.

When he stepped away for a moment his wife whispered to me “he really wants to keep this house, and I think it will kill him if we can’t.” I don’t know the particulars of their situation, but it made me sick to my stomach. Their house was by no means ostentatious, but rather an older, smallish middle class rambler on 1/3 of an acre in a blue collar neighborhood. It sounds as if he cannot find work of any kind, and has no income to continue carrying the mortgage. I gave him full price for what I was purchasing because I knew they could use it. I really liked these people, and it’s heartbreaking what’s happening in their lives.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-27 17:44:00

I know people with great credentials who haven’t been able to find work in over a year. By work I mean a job that pays the bills, not a McJob that barely lets you eat.

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Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 18:01:17

The real economy, where people produce or build or fix things, is in the toilet. The casino economy is still binging on borrowed money.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 08:49:35

Is housing the engine that drives an economy?
While it can be, as we just found out, it isn’t always. The economic engine before housing was.. internet stocks?
Did they not drive the economy for a while?

The economy includes an awful lot of diverse elements. Any one of them could become the next “housing”.
One or two industries will probably become most prominent. People will be anxious to bet on them, and banks will be happy to fund those wagers. Hedge funds with their derivatives and various, more esoteric investment plays will go along for the ride..
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For instance, “Green” stuff might take off. It’s got worldwide political backing. It’s got a whole lot of believers, bordering on religious. The technology is very immature which allows a lot of room for discovery and innovation. The green market is virtually untouched.. a new frontier, so growth potential is unlimited.

Could huge sums of money and attention spent Greening the world eventually result in not only economic expansion, but even a bubble? In light of the current severe lack of investment opportunities, might a lot of people get caught up in the frenzy, bet too heavily on it, and lose a fortune when it all collapses? Might even the govt be forced to bail out Big Green companies as investors, lenders, pension funds and wall street firms loses multi-trillions, threatening (yet again) economic Armageddon?
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Just as we saw an economy recover and thrive after the dot-com bust, I can picture this economy recovering, thriving and even bubbling up and collapsing again without any significant housing element.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 16:19:40

Everyone needs a place to live, but everyone did not need a Beanie Baby or whatever it was the dot coms were doing. That’s what makes the housing bubble so much more global in scope and damaging in economic impact.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 20:28:04

yeah.. but do we need two places to live, or five extra rooms?

I think that what made the housing bubble so damaging was the expense of a house. It’s the most expensive thing… and lots of money was thrown up for grabs.

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Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-27 17:55:58

“…Just as we saw an economy recover and thrive after the dot-com bust…”

Do we live in the same country? Because the “recovery” was shallow, brief and only thrived for the all ready wealthy.

Millions were left behind in that economic recovery after the dot com bomb. “Jobless Recovery” was a popular phrase for a reason. A recovery from a recession that wasn’t really over until around 2004 and lasted until last 2008.

That right, just 4 short years.

As for what the Internet brought us, the dot coms are not the end all, be all of the Internet. Almost the entire knowledge of the human race is now at your fingertips and its effects have yet to truly felt.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 05:53:44

This is where I lose the guy. Why would banks which are too big to fail ever need to worry about self-restraint, so long as they know that in a worst-case black swan event, sovereign governments stand ready to transfer their bad gambling debt to the currency base?

P.S. His first sentence suggests Wall Street’s Megabank, Inc has yet to exit the denial stage of the financial meltdown.

The Financial Times
Bankers return to their bad habits
By Francesco Guerrera
Published: March 26 2010 17:23 | Last updated: March 26 2010 17:23

After spending a week in Hong Kong talking to bankers and other assorted grandees, I am beginning to question whether the financial crisis actually happened.

Even in their current interventionist mode, governments and watchdogs cannot really tell banks how to lend funds or recruit staff. On this one, financial firms and their investors are on their own. If the industry wants to regain the public trust lost during the crisis, it will have to perform a feat it has rarely achieved in the past: trade off some profits for self-restraint.

francesco.guerrera@ft.com

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 06:36:52

The central banks are at the root of all of these problems. Everything else is just a distraction.

 
Comment by Kirisdad
2010-03-27 08:10:19

‘trade off some profits for self-restraint’
or ‘trade off some votes for self-restraint’ same difference. If the PTB don’t start thinking long-term, we’re all screwed.

Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-27 17:57:40

Bad news. They won’t and we are.

 
 
 
Comment by Bad Chile
2010-03-27 06:00:18

Bank Failure Friday (BFF) Report:

March 26, 2010 saw the FDIC make a return to the land of Waffle House for two more banks out of Georgia, in addition to shutting down one bank each in Florida and Arizona. The last BFF of March (and the quarter) brought the total of failed banks in 2010 to 41, which compares to a total of 21 failed banks shut down as of the last calendar BFF in March 2009.

The pace of FDIC shutdowns in 2010 is 95% higher than that of 2009. If the current relative pace of FDIC shutdowns continues this year at the same pace as it has the first quarter, 2010 will see a whopping 273 bank failures compared to 140 last year.

Comment by combotechie
2010-03-27 06:04:55

The percentage of bank failures will be even larger this year over next because of the shrinking base of remaining banks.

Comment by combotechie
2010-03-27 06:07:22

this year over next = this year over last

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 06:19:38

Good thing the crisis is nearly over already, or this escalation in the rate of bank failures would be worrisome…

Comment by combotechie
2010-03-27 06:28:26

None of this matters a whit; Some posters here claim the money is all fake to begin with so its disappearance really doesn’t really mean anything.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 06:33:45

Good point. So long as money just amounts to a book entry on the Fed’s computerized balance sheet, what does its disappearance or reappearance matter to the situation one iota?

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Comment by combotechie
2010-03-27 06:36:22

I guess it doesn’t. Party on.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 06:28:17

Is there any way to estimate the cost to U.S. tax payers of $122 bn in “loss-sharing agreements” between the FDIC and buyers of failed banks? Is it $122 bn, or something less than that?

Unless I am somehow missing it, this program sounds like one of myriad unannounced bailouts underway whose costs will eventually weigh down the currency base.

* The Wall Street Journal
* BUSINESS
* MARCH 27, 2010

FDIC Pares Loss Aid for Bank Buyers
By MATTHIAS RIEKER

The sweetheart deals dangled by the U.S. government to lure buyers for failed banks aren’t so sweet anymore.

The Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. said it will absorb a smaller percentage of the losses on soured loans covered by the agreements routinely reached with buyers of collapsed banks. Such loss-sharing agreements have helped the FDIC get rid of banks that no one would have wanted if the buyer were forced to absorb all the potential losses on the failed bank’s loan portfolio.

The agency said it will guarantee 80% of potential loan losses, down from as much as 95%. “We’re confident that this step is in line with our least-cost obligations,” an FDIC spokesman said. “The loss-sharing structures up until this point have worked well for the FDIC to help improve pricing and minimize losses, provide liquidity to the FDIC and move assets quickly back into the private sector.”

The change might make it more expensive for the FDIC to dispose of doomed banks, since some potential buyers could lose interest. In the long run, though, the diluted guarantees could lower the cost of the banking crisis if the FDIC pays out less money to the buyers of loans inherited from failed banks.

Last year, the FDIC entered into 94 loss-sharing agreements that back $122 billion of assets. More than 175 banks have failed since the start of 2009. The FDIC initially didn’t offer to absorb losses on the loans of dead banks, but changed its mind to interest potential acquirers.

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 06:58:38

But how are the politically well connected going to get their share of the government teat if they have to pay more? This just doesn’t make sense. I’m sure this doesn’t extend to Obama’s BFFs such as Lloyd and Jamie. I’m sure their subsidies will continue to be of the maximum variety. After all, they are really sharp. Just ask Obama.

Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 07:59:35

B…b…but Brand Obama and his mass media marketeers promised he would fight for the common man, not the political and financial elites that launched & funded his campaign.

“Hope ‘n change that Lloyd & Jamie can believe in” might have been a harder sell for the proles.

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Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 06:01:04

$14 bn sounds like small change compared to the untold magnitude of the underwater problem.

Posted: March 27, 2010
U.S. to increase housing loans
$14 billion to help jobless owners refinance via FHA

BY GRETA GUEST
FREE PRESS BUSINESS WRITER

The Obama administration said Friday that it would widen the reach of its home loan modification program, which could help thousands of unemployed and underwater Michigan homeowners.

The Home Affordable Modification Program, criticized for its slow pace and low number of modifications, would put $14 billion toward the program by helping those who owe more on their homes than they’re worth get new loans backed by the Federal Housing Administration. Unemployed people would get a temporary break, with lowered mortgage payments for three to six months.

The FHA refinancing program would be available to those with credit scores as low as 500, said Vince Parlove, president of First Preferred Mortgage in Bingham Farms. The programs are expected to be available in the fall.

Drew Sygit, a certified mortgage planning specialist who leads the Lending Edge Team at First Michigan Bank in Troy, said the plan sounds great on paper. But he expects it would take months to roll out and could be difficult for banks to execute.

Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Economy.com, said the changes could spare 1 million to 1.5 million homeowners from losing their homes. And it could end the housing crisis earlier than expected.
Struggling homeowners eager for aid

Heidi Lucken, who has been working to save her Oak Park home for the better part of five years, was hopeful Friday that the expanded federal government loan modification program could help her stay.

Lucken, who lives in the three-bedroom, 1.5-bathroom house with her two sons, said the home that she bought in 2002 for $107,500 is now worth $55,000. She has been laid off, rehired and is now on a medical leave from her human resources job. She was granted a temporary loan modification last year, but has been waiting for something permanent.

“I’m hopeful about it for everyone,” Lucken said.

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 06:59:44

I think I hate Ned Flanders.

Oh, wait. No. No. I think I hate Marc Zandi. That’s better.

 
Comment by OcBystander
2010-03-27 09:13:00

“$14 bn sounds like small change compared to the untold magnitude of the underwater problem.”

That’s because it is, 1/1000th of the total pie, 1/100 of the problem, maybe? (from an article you posted yesterday):

“Now, less than 18 months after the mortgage markets went into a tailspin, a sense of calm has returned to a key part of the $14,000bn market of outstanding US home loans: the more than $5,000bn of mortgage-backed securities sold by government-backed mortgage corporations Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.”

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-27 09:19:03

$107K???? those numbers sound incredibly low to most people here so how could she not afford it?

Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-27 18:07:59

She was laid off, has 2 kids and now medical problems. That’s why she can’t afford it. And outside of the few places that pay well, most people really don’t make a lot of money.

In Houston, 107K will get you a decent-to-nice 1500-2000sqft, 2 bath, 2 car garage house in a very ordinary, nothing special neighborhood. If you shop wisely, you can find one in a very nice neighborhood.

Check out har dot com.

 
 
 
Comment by ACH
2010-03-27 06:02:03

I found this genus, Peter Atwater, spewing his special brand about banking regulation.

I took a close look at what he wrote. Nowhere in this piece did he mention transparency. Instead he says “But as a consequence, depositor due diligence is non-existent. ”

Transparency? He wants to eliminate FDIC insurance and leave someone like me at the mercy of lying, corrupt bankers. I know my limits. I cannot hope to intelligently and forthrightly determine the viability of my local bank much less a Cap One, Am. Bank, G-S, etc. I cannot compete and will be taken to the cleaners and left broke by these sharks. Worse, it will be perfectly legal for them to do this.

Atwater is advocating that no financial regulations be imposed at all. This lunacy clearly shows that the investment bankers are less into supplying money for good business projects and enterprises and more into making the “skim” as large as possible.

If there where ever an individual who needed some serious prison time, this corrupt, stupid, “screw up” Peter Atwater is the poster child. He should be in for an extended stay at a SHU somewhere. Let him throw his waste at the guards and suffer the consequences at their hands rather throw his brand of “reform” at me. I don’t have the power to protect myself from his kind. He and his kind will kill - literally murder - with a banality that chills me. No, I’m not overstating this. He wants to impoverish people who cannot fight back.

Here are a few excerpts:

Five Suggestions for Banking Reform
by Peter Atwater

“First, as a public service announcement, I must preface my comments with the explicit request from the Treasury Secretary that you not listen to me.”

“You see, I’m all but certain that my 10 years building JPMorgan’s (JPM) securitization business during the late 1980s and early 1990s likely qualify me as one of the early “masters of noble financial innovation” whom Mr. Geithner earlier this week explicitly requested that you “listen less to” during this period of time that banking reform is being debated.”

“First, as much as I admire Mr. Volcker and the noble intentions of the “Volcker Rule,..”

“Banks, insurance companies, money managers, hedge funds, and broker dealers are all in the same business — they take someone else’s money and do something with it all with the hopes of making money in the process. Until we have uniform rules (globally too), I assure you we’ll have regulatory arbitrage, which results in failed oversight.”

“Second, and at the risk of being bold, I believe the time has come to eliminate FDIC insurance.”

“… depositor due diligence is non-existent. And putting Wall Street aside, this crisis has shown, even with specific oversight, hundreds of now-failed banks took excessive risk in their traditional banking businesses and their insured depositors neither cared nor were adversely impacted. Their risk was borne by the government, while they earned returns far in excess of comparable US Treasuries. If we’re truly going to eliminate “moral hazard”/”too big to fail” we must eliminate deposit insurance in the process.”

“Third, we must demand that the rating agencies disregard “systemic support” when ascribing debt ratings. ”

‘Fourth, we must repeal the “Levitt Rule.” ‘

‘ Finally, our regulators must act courageously. This past week Moody’s wrote:

“We observe … that the current regulatory regime is already authorized to protect the soundness of banks and the financial system as a whole. In addition, the current banking laws give bank regulators the power to have banks cease and desist from activities and to require banks to have higher capital ratios. Thus, we believe that the benefits of a revamped regulatory regime will depend more upon how regulators implement and execute the law — rather than depend on the words of the law itself — because the proposed regulatory framework doesn’t appear to be significantly different from what exists today.” ‘

The link is on Yahoo Financials. I won’t post the link.

So he wants to continue TBTF and turn the spotlight away from WS and onto the local banks. The FDIC is doing its job. What more can I say?

I cannot express how angry I am. I’m glad for Ben and this blog. I can express my anger in a legal and civilized manner.

Roidy

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 07:23:03

“I found this genus, Peter Atwater,…”

Did you determine the species?

Comment by ACH
2010-03-27 07:52:03

LOL

Oh yes. Peter Atwater is of phylum “doyacheatumandhowe” which is of kindom “sewerscum”.

Roidy

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-27 07:53:59

Insurance is a device to offset risk . After the crash of Banks in the 1930’s it was the only way to restore the Banking system by offering insurance(FDIC) in conjunction with Bills like Glass-Steagall that limited the risks and increased the reserves of regulated Banks .

To the degree that Wall Street Investment firm Middlemen were allowed to play lender by securities without such reserve requirements and Insurance is the degree that risk was increased . To even called these
Middlemen Lenders during the boom times with their faulty product is
giving that Lending credit it doesn’t deserve .To restore the credit markets they would have to have similar reserve requirements and leverage requirements and Insurance like FDIC,or they need to go back to a Glass -Steagall type limitation .

The Power Brokers of Wall Street Investment Firms failed by what they marketed and they created a risk by Ponzi -scheme . Not only was it not productive and designed to make the commissioned sales people and CEO’s unearned gains by this fraud ,but they than were bailed out to go on to live another day to set up more unearned gains .

These aren’t talented people ,these are con men that mastered the art of stealing without giving something of value for their commissions ,in fact they destroyed wealth and stability by their fraud and ill gotten gains and leverage . For them to even suggest that their systems and Casinos are something productive for Society that is worth maintaining is a Joke .

Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-27 18:12:12

It’s not a joke. It’s extortion.

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 06:32:41

What next? Will any CEO who suspects ObamaCare will increase his company’s health care costs have his freedom of speech rescinded by the constitutional law scholar in the WH?

I want to rescind my Fall 2008 vote.

* The Wall Street Journal
* REVIEW & OUTLOOK
* MARCH 27, 2010

The ObamaCare Writedowns
The corporate damage rolls in, and Democrats are shocked!

It’s been a banner week for Democrats: ObamaCare passed Congress in its final form on Thursday night, and the returns are already rolling in. Yesterday AT&T announced that it will be forced to make a $1 billion writedown due solely to the health bill, in what has become a wave of such corporate losses.

This wholesale destruction of wealth and capital came with more than ample warning. Turning over every couch cushion to make their new entitlement look affordable under Beltway accounting rules, Democrats decided to raise taxes on companies that do the public service of offering prescription drug benefits to their retirees instead of dumping them into Medicare. We and others warned this would lead to AT&T-like results, but like so many other ObamaCare objections Democrats waved them off as self-serving or “political.”

Perhaps that explains why the Administration is now so touchy. Commerce Secretary Gary Locke took to the White House blog to write that while ObamaCare is great for business, “In the last few days, though, we have seen a couple of companies imply that reform will raise costs for them.” In a Thursday interview on CNBC, Mr. Locke said “for them to come out, I think is premature and irresponsible.”

Meanwhile, Henry Waxman and House Democrats announced yesterday that they will haul these companies in for an April 21 hearing because their judgment “appears to conflict with independent analyses, which show that the new law will expand coverage and bring down costs.”

In other words, shoot the messenger. Black-letter financial accounting rules require that corporations immediately restate their earnings to reflect the present value of their long-term health liabilities, including a higher tax burden. Should these companies have played chicken with the Securities and Exchange Commission to avoid this politically inconvenient reality? Democrats don’t like what their bill is doing in the real world, so they now want to intimidate CEOs into keeping quiet.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-03-27 06:57:46

According to John Dingell, it’s going to take a few years before they can “control the people.” But the intimidation starts now.

“The harsh fact of the matter is when you’re going to pass legislation that will cover 300 [million] American people in different ways it takes a long time to do the necessary administrative steps that have to be taken to put the legislation together to control the people.”

toledoblade dot com/article/20100325/NEWS09/3250342/0/BUSINESS05

 
Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-03-27 07:07:12

Geez, I was wondering what I could do to bring At&t to their Corporate knees, never imagined it would be health-care reform. :-)

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 07:16:52

Political irony is sweet.

Romney attacks health care law similar to his own

By GLEN JOHNSON (AP) – 20 hours ago

CHICAGO — Mitt Romney has a problem with Obamacare. It looks a lot like Romneycare. The prospective Republican presidential candidate’s vulnerability on the issue was evident this week, when he was interrupted during a tour for his new book by a woman upset with the Massachusetts health care law Romney signed as governor in 2006. That law has some of the same core features as the federal law President Barack Obama, a Democrat, signed on Tuesday.

And that’s creating an uncomfortable straddle for Romney as his party makes attacking the new health care law its main message this midterm year.

Comment by Bill in Carolina
2010-03-27 07:38:19

If the Repubs want to guarantee The One a second term, they’ll nominate Mitt as their presidential candidate.

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 08:11:24

Only if he gets through Hillary first. Does anybody think she will step aside and let him have an uncontested try at “four more years of hell”. Thank you Mrs. Heinz-Kerry for that one.

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Comment by Hwy50ina49Dodge
2010-03-27 07:59:37

“…creating an uncomfortable straddle for Romney…”

He’d best get the large bottle of “Rash & Limpbaughs™” baby powder.

 
Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 08:48:09

Romney is a condescending horses a$$…….

Comment by GrizzlyBear
2010-03-27 16:25:28

Not to mention a narcissist of the highest order. Of course, that’s almost a prerequisite to having an interest in public office.

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Comment by iftheshoefits
2010-03-27 07:36:20

“Black-letter financial accounting rules require that corporations immediately restate their earnings to reflect the present value of their long-term health liabilities, including a higher tax burden.”

Well, the change the FASB accounting standards for health liabilities! Worked for toxic RE assets, didn’t it? There’s nothing these super geniuses can’t do.

 
 
Comment by Lip
2010-03-27 06:33:32

EDITORIAL: $12,670,895,780,689
Runaway public spending endangers America’s future

“Massive, abstract numbers such as these defy comprehension. It’s far easier to grasp their personal impact: The share of the enormous total debt figure for each American household is $120,125.”

“The current debt, however, is the least of our problems. According to the Social Security and Medicare trustees, Social Security has made $17.5 trillion in future promises that it has no money to fulfill. Add to this amount Medicare’s unfunded liabilities of $89.3 trillion, and the grand total is $106.8 trillion. That means each household’s share of current and future debt is a staggering $1.1 million. ”

“This trajectory is obviously unsustainable”

Nuff said, we need to stop the spending yesterday.

Lip

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 06:39:58

Stop the spending? How else are we going to destroy the dollar and fix all of our problems? That is Bernanke’s goal. In the process he gets to hand over more debt to Obama, and the rest of the pols, to buy votes. His fellow criminals on The Street get to siphon off their share as it happens. The more debt that is created the more there is to siphon. Didn’t the Housing Mania teach us anything? Everybody wins, you see.

Except America. Oops!

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-03-27 06:40:59

“This trajectory is obviously unsustainable.”

Nonsense, just print the stuff up.

These guys and their numbers are a pain in the ass.

 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-03-27 07:18:41

The problem, of course, is that the United States let Keynesian fools put us into the Federal Reserve System of private banks. They print as much money as they need to keep themselves living fat off the backs of the working people.
But the government CAN’T stop spending. In fact, under Obama, government spending is increasing.
Every dollar spent is someone else’s income. Always remember that.
As taxpayers who don’t receive government handouts, we are concerned about where the money goes. As Welfare recipients, grant takers, boon-doggle pork sellers, social security dependents, free food and medicine school-houses, military hardware salesmen, ADHD-disability claimants, and a host of other leaches, they GET the money.
$800 per child for ADHD last time i looked, per MONTH. For a made up “disability”. Add that to the subsidized or free housing, food cards, medical care, etc, and you just can’t stop the spending.
The entire social system would collapse.
So long as the money stays in circulation to keep most people working, we will just see a continuing devaluation of the dollar in terms of buying power. If they stopped the spending, all the recipients would be without income. The Fed’s have started a game they can’t and have no desire to stop.

Comment by arizonadude
2010-03-27 07:37:09

The fed reserve is running a glorified ponzi scheme.They are basically buying treasuries with money that is being printed.So we have one govt agency buying debt from another govt agency, wtf?I Then they are finding money to buy all the sh@ty mortgages from all the banks.The banks gather their sh@ttiest paper and then sell it to the govt.what a great economy we got going here.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-03-27 07:57:13

It’s even more wonderful and magical than that! The banks get to borrow money at ZERO interest and the “loan it” back to the FED at 2% interest rates. Remember that Goldman_Sachs is now a “bank holding company” and gets access to FED money, too.

This means that through the magic of paper shuffling, the privledged Bankers and buddies get essentially a profitable business with which to sell derivatives and other toxic crap, with leverage, while goosing the stock market and front-running trades. All with “Free” money!!!
They just can’t loose! It’s magic!
And best of all…………they are doing God’s Work.

I guess if someone was handing me free money to line my pockets and buy up all the world’s assets, i too would feel “blessed”.

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Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 08:13:31

And the trust we have in our money is diminished, displaced and destroyed. It is only when our dollar is complete crap that we will all have to turn to the Masters for our daily bread. The banner will read, “Mission Accomplished”.

 
 
Comment by NYchk
2010-03-27 09:45:03

“buying treasuries with money that is being printed”

Exactly. There’s no “buying Treasuries”, that’s a misnomer. Quantitative easing in its current form is pure and simple “money printing”.

What happens when they print too much, we can easily guess.

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Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 07:39:43

But it all sounds so good and looks so humane on paper. Who could have known that the the men that build the road to hell use good intentions as asphalt?

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 08:51:27

we need to stop the spending yesterday ??

To late…Its going to take the “meat cleaver” approach…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 06:42:55

Ignore this Nobel Prize winning economist; after all, he is not a member of the Obamanomics Dream Team!

P.S. I like how this Op-ed piece touches on the popular practice of blaming the recent financial meltdown on “free markets.” Even Adam Smith, father of capitalism, never suggested one could have a functioning market economy without a rule of law. Equating a banking system that operates outside the rule of law with “free markets” is a dangerous straw man which should be repudiated every time it appears in print.

* The Wall Street Journal
* OPINION: THE WEEKEND INTERVIEW
* MARCH 27, 2010

‘Basically an Optimist’—Still
The Nobel economist says the health-care bill will cause serious damage, but that the American people can be trusted to vote for limited government in November.

By PETER ROBINSON

Stanford, Calif.

No, no. Not at all.

So says Gary Becker when asked if the financial collapse, the worst recession in a quarter of a century, and the rise of an administration intent on expanding the federal government have prompted him to reconsider his commitment to free markets.

Mr. Becker is a founder, along with his friend and teacher the late Milton Friedman, of the Chicago school of economics. More than four decades after winning the John Bates Clark Medal and almost two after winning the Nobel Prize, the 79-year-old occupies an unusual position for a man who has spent his entire professional life in the intensely competitive field of economics: He has nothing left to prove. Which makes it all the more impressive that he works as hard as an associate professor trying to earn tenure. He publishes regularly, carries a full-time teaching load at the University of Chicago (he’s in his 32nd year), and engages in a running argument with his friend Judge Richard Posner on the “Becker-Posner Blog,” one of the best-read Web sites on economics and the law.

I begin with the obvious question. “The health-care legislation? It’s a bad bill,” Mr. Becker replies. “Health care in the United States is pretty good, but it does have a number of weaknesses. This bill doesn’t address them. It adds taxation and regulation. It’s going to increase health costs—not contain them.

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 07:22:17

I can’t wait to donate to Hillary’s 2012 campaign.

Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 09:01:46

Biden makes another verbal gaff…

Biden resigns do to health

Hilary steps into the VP position

Obama having accomplished the greatest Political achievement in modern day history with the Union electing a black american President decides not to run for a 2nd term and hands the ball to Hilary..

Hilary runs against Romney in 2012….

Hilary has the greatest Political achievement since Barack Obama by being the first woman elected President…

 
 
Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-03-27 07:31:14

Hey, didn’t Paul Krugman and those 2 dunces, Myron Scholes and his buddy get a Nobel Prize for their promotion of derivatives in the banking system?
Even Obama got a Nobel prize for “peace” because he really thinks it’s a good idea, and said so. I think putting Nobel prize in front of a person’s name adds no value to their commentary.

However, I agree that this in NOT free enterprise. It is, however, “capitalism”, if by that you mean control of capital.
The FED controls the capital and the banks spend it.
Under a free enterprise system, Goldman-Suchs, AIG, JP Morgan, Citi, and BofA would all be out of business. That is how Free enterprise eliminates people who foist fraud onto their communities.
Under the rigged system we have, they got the gold-mine and we got the shaft.
Which, by the way, reminds me, have we ever actually done an “audit” of all the gold in Ft. Knox to find out how much is left? Or do you think we will find a stack of IOU’s made out by Goldman and Co.?

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 08:10:23

The reason people (like me) blame ‘free markets’ (I always try to remember to put italics around the phrase) is because that’s the disguise used by the very people who just ripped us off. They claim to be for ‘free markets’ when they push for deregulation, which actually allows them to co-opt and corrupt the workings of the market.

I agree wholeheartedly with Adam Smith, free markets work best. Hence, just as Adam Smith pointed out (I’m glad that realization is taking hold here) we need regulation. Otherwise we won’t have free markets, we’ll have corrupt, kleptocratic markets. Which we have just witnessed after our most recent experiment with ‘freeing the market’ through deregulation.

In order for there to be free markets, there must be regulation.
In order for there to be freedom, there must be laws.
Strange how often truth is paradoxical. You’d almost think god had a taste for irony, or at least a sense of humor.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 08:12:36

(not italics, quotation marks)

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 08:15:18

A free market with a private central bank that has a monopoly on money printing does not seem possible.

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Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 08:41:57

Do you think we should go back to actual silver and gold as currency? It’s been done throughout history- when has it worked well? Can’t you just take your fiat money and buy PMs right now ?

 
Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 08:53:42

What good to PMs do me if the entire country is in ruins?

I don’t think for a moment that some futuristic Mad Max scenario is going to leave just me and a handful of Krugerrands to rule the world.

The Fed, working in complete secrecy, sure doesn’t seem to work. An honest money system is what is needed. That could be gold and silver. That could be some kind of paper money backed by something tangible. The current system certainly isn’t working.

Weren’t we going to discuss the purchase of a bridge? I have $hit to do so let’s get a deal done.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 09:22:22

I don’t think for a moment that some futuristic Mad Max scenario is going to leave just me and a handful of Krugerrands to rule the world

Well, you’d have a friend oversieze in New Zealand with a howitzer to back you up. :wink:

Paper currency backed by PMs still requires some sort of central bank, no? You just said that was the problem in the gilded age. The paper wasn’t really backed by gold- a constant danger with any ‘printed’ currency. And yet all modern economies have used ‘paper’ money. So, like I said, there’s really no successful model in history of what you’re talking about. Maybe it’s an unrealizable ideal?

(The bridge was a financial bridge over our current troubled waters. Send me your fiat money and I’ll convert it into useful commodities. Like Kentucky bourbon, not that Jack D sour mash firewater. Oh, and I’ll keep it safe for you, here in Flyover, in case we cast you guys out of the Union.)

 
Comment by Carlos4
2010-03-27 17:01:55

The entire country will not be in ruins; places like NYC, DC, LA, Vegas might go TU with no one here in flyover country to send them trucks of food or toilet paper. Things might slide back for a while, but the useless class will soon die off or move to the coasts; if your fiatscos wont be any good overseas, do you for a minute think they’ll be any good in Ohio? Dream on!

 
 
 
Comment by basura
2010-03-27 08:55:16

What we have is not “free markets” but a borderline fascism.
Government (local and federal) is in deep pockets of the big corporations and pass laws that help the big boys protect their market share hindering competition from new comers, which ultimately hurts the consumers.

When these big boys fail, the government bails them out. So to me no matter what new regulations are created we know how the new laws/regulations will look like. Sure we will make them pay a little fine here and little tax here, but the new laws will still protect them and worst we will bail them out again.

How hard is it to understand? Wall Street didn’t like regulations, so be it, THEY GET NO BAILOUT! That ought teach him, no? I am afraid that’s not what we are getting. We will be bailing out more banks and business in future because once you enable that kind of behavior, it will likely to return at some point.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 09:06:17

…In order for there to be freedom, there must be laws…

You might have meant to say that in order for there to be a modern, functional, orderly controlled society, there must be laws.

There always exists at least one law.. the law of the jungle. While that one law allows too much freedom for most people’s tastes, adding more laws does not enhance freedom, and most certainly does not grant it’s existence.

Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 09:58:17

In order for there to be the ‘freedom’ people mean when they speak of freedom (ie the freedom to speak, worship- or not, assemble, pursue their own happiness, etc), then there must be laws.

There is no freedom in the law of the jungle- ask anyone who’s experienced it. Is Somalia free? The only freedom is of an ephemeral nature if you happen to temporarily occupy the top slot, which rarely lasts long. There’s a reason we aren’t returning to the trees. There’s more real freedom here in civilization.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 10:37:31

…There is no freedom in the law of the jungle..

You might have meant to say there is no freedom to be ignorant, lazy or careless in the jungle… or in Somalia… without risking life and limb.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 11:14:16

You might have meant to say there is no freedom to be ignorant, lazy or careless in the jungle… or in Somalia… without risking life and limb.

Like I said, not the freedom people mean when they speak of freedom. The ‘freedom’ to be ignorant, lazy, and careless is the same freedom that allows life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 11:52:14

..the same freedom that allows life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness…

You insist on equating law and freedom. Freedom does NOT “allow life, liberty.. “etc.

We think life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are inalienable rights, and that no law made by men shall be allowed to take them away.

We refuse to accept any law that takes them away. They exist prior to and above any law, and are beyond the influence of law.

Freedom is the natural state of things. We can make laws that restrict or remove freedoms but there is no such thing as a law that enhances freedom.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 12:11:51

I think you’ve dropped into the paradox, joey, don’t get lost. ‘Outlawing slavery reduces freedom.’ Very good demonstration of my point. The truth, she’s paradoxical. :wink:

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 13:28:27

There is no paradox.

You are perfectly free to become a slave. People do it everyday.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 15:42:11

I’m free to become a slave. There is no paradox. Got it.

 
 
Comment by NYchk
2010-03-27 10:05:25

Under laws of the jungle, chances are you’ll be a slave, like most people, not a free man. Adding laws against slavery, thievery, and murder actually managed to enhance individual freedom quite nicely…

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 10:42:25

While adding an anti-slavery law gives a slave freedom, it also takes away our freedom to own slaves.. so it’s a wash.

 
Comment by NYchk
2010-03-27 12:16:48

There’s usually one slaveowner per many slaves. Restricting freedom for one gives freedom to many. Not exactly a wash.

And isn’t there an inherent difference between “freedom to murder / steal/ enslave” vs. “freedom to live unmolestered”? Laws are needed to ensure the latter.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 13:07:52

A brand new society starts off with no laws. There’s no law against stealing or killing or enslaving someone. Why should there be? Nobody has been robbed or killed or enslaved yet, and maybe they never will be.

So in this new society, total freedom exists for the time being..
Then someone is killed or enslaved or whatever. Society decides how to deal with this new development.

They may then choose to pass a law against killing, since the guy that was killed owed lots of people money and now cannot repay the debts.
But the slavery thing is deemed acceptable, because that slave has a different skin color and nobody liked him anyway..

So, they make one law against killing. They need not address the slavery thing at this time.

point being.. we start off free to do anything… then laws restrict freedoms.

 
Comment by alpha-sloth
2010-03-27 15:56:38

A brand new society starts off with no laws. There’s no law against stealing or killing or enslaving someone. Why should there be? Nobody has been robbed or killed or enslaved yet, and maybe they never will be.

Heh! That may be the most unhistorical idea I’ve ever heard. Unless by ’society’ you mean the first time someone whacked someone else with a donkey jawbone to take their food. And even then, society and crime started at the same time, which may well be the case. Societies may have started as a response to the ‘criminality’ of intraspecies predators. But if you think societies start out crime free, then you should go to the zoo and watch the monkeys for a while.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 17:47:03

“That may be the most unhistorical idea I’ve ever heard.”

Bear in mind that Joey is one of the HBB’s master straw man caricaturists.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-27 18:22:13

“…While adding an anti-slavery law gives a slave freedom, it also takes away our freedom to own slaves.. so it’s a wash…”

A wash? Uh joey, your white hood is showing.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 20:41:07

ecofeco .. someone once told me a trick to growing one’s imagination, and I’ll share it with you because I think you need to break out of that box.

Imagine you are chewing sharp pieces of glass, or red hot nails. Or that you are being run over by a train… whatever.. You get the idea. It won’t hurt you so there’s no need to be afraid… and nobody will even know you’re doing the exercise.

 
Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 20:54:31

..But if you think societies start out crime free, then you should go to the zoo..

Crime free?
alpha, i said new societies start out law-free. Before they were joined together, 13 individual colonies had laws. No other colony was necessarily bound by any of them. US law was created from scratch.

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-28 00:17:52

Oh. My. God.

The 13 colonies did indeed have laws. As colonies of England they were bound by English law.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-03-27 07:23:15

The more I read this, the more I can`t believe they are saying this about the same people who were masters of the universe for buying or owning a house in 2005. I listened to them brag about how much money they had made and how much more they were going to make. Some of the same people who told me and my kids that I would never be able to own a house, and now we have “prevention for responsible homeowners, who, through no fault of their own find themselves in a situation of negative equity,”

By Kimberly Miller
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Updated: 9:06 a.m. Saturday, March 27, 2010

The Obama administration announced more assistance Friday for underwater and unemployed homeowners, saying the foreclosure crisis has shifted from volatile subprime loans to “hardworking” people.

Changes in the year-old Making Home Affordable mortgage modification program could be particularly significant in Florida where nearly half of all home loans are underwater and the 12.2 percent unemployment rate is well above the national average of 9.7 percent.

Under the plan, lenders will be required to consider cutting balances on loans where the borrower owes more than 115 percent of what the home is worth. Lenders will receive incentive payments for each dollar of principal reduction.

Unemployed homeowners can receive up to six months of cut-rate mortgage payments, while as much as $3,000 in relocation assistance will go to borrowers who ultimately cannot afford to stay in their homes.

The plan will also allow some underwater borrowers who can prove financial hardship to refinance through the Federal Housing Administration with lower interest rates and principal reductions.

“This will focus on affordability and foreclosure prevention for responsible homeowners, who, through no fault of their own find themselves in a situation of negative equity,” said FHA Commissioner David Stevens.

Administration officials said Friday the changes to the

$75 billion federal foreclosure-prevention program will not require additional tax money, but should help the program’s initial goal of reaching between 3 million and 4 million homeowners.

But critics of the program say the changes are not enough to save a plan that isn’t geared to fix today’s problems.

The eligibility requirements for a modification are largely the same, and the government is just asking banks to consider principal reductions first, rather than after other options such as extending the life of the loan or interest rate reductions, said Shari Olefson, a Fort Lauderdale attorney and author of the book, Foreclosure Nation, Mortgaging the American Dream.

“There is so much confusion and the more I learn the more I realize this program is doing more harm than good and they should just scrap it,” she said. “The big problem is people still don’t know how to navigate the system and the banks are overwhelmed.”

As of last month, 170,000 homeowners nationally had received permanent loan modifications.

Comment by Diogenes (Tampa, Florida)
2010-03-27 07:39:49

This is all about propping up the valuations of property as much as possible, fighting the “market” all the way. Don’t forget who holds all that mortgage paper now. It’s the Federal Reserve. The took all the bad loans from the banks. They need to hold up “valuations” on all the paper.
Whatever loans remain at banks are highly suspect of being “insolvent”.
This is a confidence game.
Supposedly, sometime in the distant future on a planet far, far, away, the FED will sell off those bad paper documents when valuations return to what they said the houses were worth when the loans were made.

But the values need to go back UP. We need to reverse the trend.
We must have more expensive housing. That is what backs up the “value” of the paper. Higher prices. Up, not down.
“Turn the machines back on!!” Get back in there and SELL.. SELL>>>>

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-27 08:23:41

Diogenes…..propping up a Ponzi- schemes is insulting and I agree with you that the market players should of just died a quick death by BK .
Con artists (Wall Street Bankers ) who were into the art of unearned gains ,just as many borrowers adopted that investment scheme ,are destroyers of the productive and they attempt to get ill-gotten gains without giving anything in return .

Wall Street created its own subsidy by their mis-rating of risk and faulty loan product which resulted in the borrower not being able to sustain the loan long term . Short term gains as well as unearned gains were the objectives of this mass fraud by the men of greed that knew no bounds . Getting something for nothing has become the new
theme song of this culture and that stance with prevent a rising up from the ashes and the Society becoming productive again .

 
 
Comment by Kim
2010-03-27 08:10:02

They are “required to consider”, which is a big difference in meaning from simply being “required to”. In other words, nothing will change.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 09:29:15

That word ‘consider” jumped off the page, flew through my screen and was headed straight for me, stinger first. I swatted it away in the nick of time.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-27 11:02:18

Hey OHHHHHH…. about considering paying my landlord for 6 months so I can pay down my other bills…..geez the stupidity and discrimination in this bailout.

 
 
 
Comment by jeff saturday
2010-03-27 07:44:17

I was born a poor black child. “The Jerk,” Steve Martin

‘Hardship letter’ key to loan modification

By Kimberly Miller
Palm Beach Post Staff Writer
Posted: 9:03 p.m. Thursday, March 25, 2010

Banks aren’t big fans of ultimatums, especially when they’re being asked for a favor.

But Robert Quesada, over his head in debt and underwater in his mortgages, said his first letter requesting a reduction in his monthly home payments may have come off a little like a challenge.

“You are just so overwhelmed with your situation, you say, ‘I’m willing to do this under these terms or you can just keep the house,’ ”

But weaving a persuasive tale of financial woe that quickly communicates the facts while eliciting a certain amount of sympathy is no easy task.

“People don’t think about that because they just want to tell their story,” said Paul Baltrun, director of loss mitigation for LaBovick & LaBovick.

Baltrun suggests making the letter about one page, and including specific dates of events that led to the hardship, such as loss of a job, or illness.

But don’t give too much information about medical conditions, cautioned Jonathon Ende, CEO of FreeHampReport.com, an online guide to filling out loan modification applications.

One bank spokesman, who didn’t want to be identified, said sob stories aren’t as effective as just stating the bottom line. Bank employees don’t have time to read through soap opera-style tales.

Nancy Norris, spokeswoman for Chase, said sticking to the facts is best.

“Writing the letter seems to be very difficult for people,” she said. “It’s a very emotional topic and can mean rehashing some bad parts of their lives.”

One thing everyone seems to agree on is not to insult or chastise the bank.

Jeni McGowan has written four hardship letters in her more than yearlong attempt to get a modification for her Acreage home.

She’s chronicled her husband’s fight with renal cell carcinoma and the removal of his kidney. She’s written about the couple’s bankruptcy and her property’s plummeting value.

Earlier this year, McGowan learned her request was granted. But she’s not especially pleased with her savings — $154 each month.

“Did it help?” she said about her letters. “I don’t know if anything helped.”

Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 08:55:20

So many victim stories and so few victims.

Comment by jeff saturday
2010-03-27 09:30:15

“But she’s not especially pleased with her savings — $154 each month.”

I would be thrilled if my new LL took $154 off of my rent each month.

Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-27 11:07:48

Me too, of if the big O would pay my rent for 6 months ($1300mo)

Instead they will pisssss away Tens of thousands keeping a single moron in “their” home.

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Comment by combotechie
2010-03-27 12:10:15

“Instead they will pisssss away Tens of thousands keeping a single moron in ‘their’ home.”

That’s one way to look at it. Another way is to realize that the FBs will Stay and Pay. They’ll stay in the house and keep paying the banks for the opportunity to do so.

Stay and Pay keeps the house occupied which benifits the bank because:

1) The bank doesn’t have to eat the cost of owning an empty house.

2) The neighborhood comps will hold a higher price if the houses in the neighborhood are occupied than if they are not, thus the value of the mortgages will hold up as well. This helps the banks that hold those mortgages.

3.) Higher prices for comps mean the NAR can brag about the bottom being in and one should buy now or be priced out forever. This instills much-needed hope into the minds of FBs (and this hope will prompt them to keep up with their payments) and it creates a market to lure new FB money into the market, which is another benifit for the banks.

We taxpayers can save the banks directly by sending them cash or we can save them indirectly by sending the FBs the cash. Either way, the banks end up with the cash.

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-27 12:32:21

Meee Too…pay my rent for 6 months and I’ll stay and keep up the place, pay down my bills and have money in the bank, maybe put some of that gift into my IRA……what a great new start..

But even if they lowered the interest to ZERO for 30years most will still be unable to afford “their home”

hence lets give them a whoopee taxpayer gift by lowering the principle.

 
Comment by combotechie
2010-03-27 12:33:15

Oh, there’s one more benifit to the banks: If the value of the comps can be maintained, and hence the mortgage values maintained, the write-down guys will leave the bank alone. If the comps go to pot then the value of the mortgage also goes to pot and the bank balance sheet goes to pot and the bank gets closed.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 17:45:27

“We taxpayers can save the banks directly by sending them cash or we can save them indirectly by sending the FBs the cash. Either way, the banks end up with the cash.”

Such a privilege it is to live in the land where government of the people, by the people banksters, for the people banksters, shall not perish from the earth.

 
 
 
 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-27 09:11:47

This Health Care System isn’t based on supply and demand Capitalism but
rather a insurance system . In addition the system was tied to the Employer giving lessor wages to provide the benefits of Health Care .

Whatever the system was it became corrupted and the costs are exceeding the price of that which is affordable to the Majority .

I don’t see yet how this new Health Bill has solved the problem of costs .I don’t see how this Health Care Bill solves the problems by maintaining the
price fixing of Insurance companies and the ability of them to pass high risk pools to the government (or by taxation of segments of the population ) while keeping the overpricing of policies .

A National Health care single payer system with price controls seems to be the answer for the future . Since the system can never be under a
Capitalism supply and demand system and its a insurance system ,than the least costly insurance system would be the answer ,maybe .

In other words the Insurance system would charge the healthy to cover the unhealthy . Now it comes into play that money will be extracted from economic sectors of the population to compensate (as in charging
the upper middle glass more for their policy than the lower middle class)

So now its not only the healthy paying for the unhealthy but the economically able will be taxed to compensate for the unhealthy .

Can’t they just come up with a National Health care tax and that way
the costs are spread out more even ? A system like this would have to be in conjunction with price control on the costs of Medicine and Pharmacy ,
I know that this is anti-capitalism ,but the price fixing private insurance monopolies with all their bad faith are even worse .Private Insurance Companies have become a oppressive force to the point that they interfere with the Doctor/patient relationship ,just as Defensive medicine has increased costs and lowered efficiency .

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 09:54:10

The thing that’s different about health care is that consumers want only the very best available. Anything less means there’s a greater chance they or their loved ones would die.

Suppose we felt the same way about something else.. cars, for instance, and people only wanted to buy the very best and safest cars.

Well, the best stuff is very expensive to manufacture.. time consuming.. Top quality requires devoted expertise which doesn’t come cheap. Costs will be high.

Competition may keep the price of these cars at or around some narrow level, but that level has a definite lower limit due to the base price of the best materials, the best labor, etc.
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So while we could blame the industry for the high cost of health care, it might be more productive (and cost effective) to just lower our standards a little.

I can hear it already… Accept sub standard health care? Never!

Comment by NYchk
2010-03-27 10:20:19

If only people wanted the best! We’d never had the outsourcing problem along with horrendous erosion of quality we all have to suffer…

People are not too smart. They tend to pick “the second best but cheaper” option, driving quality into the ground and eventually having to pay much higher than original prices for complete crap.

Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-27 10:41:36

Yes oh yes oh yes NYchick .

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 10:55:30

Well, we do prefer the best… but since few can’t afford it, we settle for less.

But health care is different.. it’s “too important”. We must find some way to get the best.
So, we sacrifice spending on other things and pay through the nose. We petition government to control insurance coverage and costs. And we go so far as to pool our money together and pay for other people’s health care, while they pay for ours when we need it. Those who are lucky enough to not need it end up paying extra, but so what..

If you listen to health care debates, you’ll never hear someone propose we settle for low quality care so we can save money. We want the best care available, but at lower cost.

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Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-27 10:36:35

But what you don’t take into consideration Joey is that the Private Health Care interference in Health Care already compromised the quality of care for people . The system promoted faulty drugs in which side effects create diseases in themselves and often times death . The system promoted Insurers telling Doctors how to treat their patients ,the system promoted reward systems for health providers to ration or treat in a manner accepted by a profit motive Insurance Company .

Actually people are going to have to get into preventive health more in the future and not expect that there is a pill for everything . The lifestyles of people have bearing on their health, however genes come into play also . Because people do not have very much knowledge of medicine ,they have no clue to what degree they might be compromised by Health Insurance Companies that hold the health care providers hostage .

The Private Insurance Companies have not been good faith ,and maybe Health care should of always been put under the control of
non-profit premium collectors .

 
 
 
Comment by Anthony
2010-03-27 09:23:16

I don’t know if anyone noticed, but in broke California, last week they proposed an additional $200M in tax credits for people to buy new homes and for first-time buyers. That follows on the heels of a $100M similar program about a year ago.

Face it, this bubble is never going to deflate in line with fundamentals. I’ve been on here since 2005, and as much as I love the commentary, Ben has been saying that either (a) the federal government wouldn’t directly bail out people in all this and (b) even if they did, it would not be effective. I think everyone truly underestimated the resolve and the political courage to subsidize “entitled” struggling homeowners.

Prices are going back up. In my community of Eureka, California, prices only dropped 15% and have been heading back up. The government will stop at nothing to boost home prices. It doesn’t matter if the “owners” of these homes are unemployed, tapped-out, etc. The government will continue to roll out ever more aggressive and costly programs to keep people on unemployment payments, welfare, food stamps, housing credits, etc.

We lost. And rather than being bitter about it–as I am–it is probably more productive to do other things than be angry. They are going to win this fight…they people who HELOC’ed themselves and bought multiple investment properties were indeed winners. And if it makes sense, you probably should buy since you too will enjoy all the entitlements that come along with defaulting on a mortgage…as homeowners are the new protected class.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-27 09:43:07

It’s funny that during the biggest RE collapse in history, right as it’s happening, people can convince themselves prices are going up. Un-freaking-believable, but here you stand. IMO, if you believe this stuff, you should go out and buy as many houses as you can. Then get back to us about how much better off you are!

‘people who HELOC’ed themselves and bought multiple investment properties were indeed winner’

Yeah, right. Go back and read the desk clearing post from yesterday and tell me how all those FBs are lovin’ life. Good grief, can you not see the financial devastation going on all around you? Back in the day, some people here would cheer a depression. I mentioned that those who welcome something like that haven’t lived through one like we did in Texas. Well, here it is, and there are much more important things ahead than how much houses cost.

As you said, you are bitter, a bitter renter, locked out of houses forever. Just listen to yourself.

Comment by OCBear
2010-03-27 10:04:24

I actually beleive the final outcome is, we are all losers. Just in a financial sense of course (Tax’s).

We often discussed Government haveing the ability to affect the market and it was always the underlying fundamentals will assert themselves.

My opinion has evolved into; they have in essence succeeded in postponing the collapse with amazing results. Home inventory’s are supressed by 300% here in Orange County if you track the Foreclosure pipeline (much unstarted) and they are currently in the 6.5X - 9X income level. Just amazing.

The new programs anounced will simply postpone things another couple months, year or 2. I fully expecvt them to surpress the inventory through the next presidential election and therefore keep values artificially inflated.

At some point the Dollar will actually devalue hard and then Home prices will be the same number or more than they are now.

The Sheople demand it. They have given up so much for fear of their homes going down in value. In 15 years house prices will be the same but no where close in Dollar Nominal Terms.

It is, what it is.

The NAR at the Federal, State & Local Government levels is the #2 donator to the Democratic Party (Note: I read this somewhere and am unsure if it is true- it would not surprise me though). The Repuplicans are no better. Just very interesting.

Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-27 10:10:57

‘the final outcome is, we are all losers’

You and that mouse in your pocket. I have never been busier, and am making plans for even bigger things. So much of life is attitude, and the ability to take risks when most are fearful. These are reasons I refuse to dwell in a state of worry and cynicism. It is what keeps one from thinking clearly when it’s most necessary.

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Comment by NycityBoy
2010-03-27 11:15:19

Ben, may I talk this opportunity to suck up and say I agree with you. I don’t watch prices here in Fantasyland but I do watch them in my hometown and I watch my former house. I see no indication that prices are going up. The Zestimate, not the most reliable but it’s something, on our old house is now $310,000. It peaked in 2007 at about $375,000. Two months ago it was $318,500.

I am lucky that I do not care to own a house. I am not a bitter renter. I enjoy renting. I hated being tied down to my vinyl ball and chain. I just want to see the rule of law and respect for property rights returned to my country. I hate that this government thinks everything that is ours is theirs. That is not right.

Good luck with your opportunities.

 
Comment by OCBear
2010-03-27 11:22:29

I as well am overwhelmed with work. Looks to be a great year for me personaly as far as business goes.

If you beleive your going to pay less Tax’s, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Although I don’t think that is your opinion, the direction in which you led the discussion is interesting.

Warm and fuzzy is nice and all and I do not beleive it is going to zero.

By being realistic about things, I did not leverage during the boom and had some major capital expenditures last year and am bringnig on new employees.

Just because I beleive the country is going through a structural change in regards to contracts and a pourly run monetary policy is leading us into a direction where underlying fundamentals will be put off for an extended period of time and higher Tax’s will be the outcome for all. I am painted as a Negative Nattering Neigh Bob.

Intersing: The point of my comment was simply that we will all pay for this, and we are only losers on the tax front, which was an intersting left off portion of my statement. Do I now have to be politically correct in tone when I Blog?

We were all wrong in 2004/2005 thinking the Government could or would not affect things to the point that they did. They have succeeded in kicking the can down the road, the outcome will be different because of this. Better=doubt it, but different=definately.

 
Comment by Ben Jones
2010-03-27 11:53:58

‘If you beleive your going to pay less Tax’s’

My taxes haven’t gone up. And considering that spending has skyrocketed, I’m paying an even smaller percentage of government than ever. Somebody is funding all this, but it’s not me.

‘We were all wrong in 2004/2005 thinking the Government could or would not affect things to the point that they did’

Don’t speak for me. I got tired of pointing out how all the ‘plans’ failed, one after the other. IMO, the government hasn’t accomplished a damn thing, except to make the inevitable landing harder. I’m not happy about that. I live and work around people that need real jobs, a real economy to build their lives upon. What if, back in the oil state bust, we had done everything to keep the old economy in place, instead of finding a new way to pay the bills? At the time it was painful, and many longed for the easy money days of the boom. But it’s clear now that moving on to a more sustainable economy was the best thing for us.

I also don’t waste time anymore arguing about what the government does with corporations, etc. The GSEs are done, not saved. Banks fail all the time. The FHA is being destroyed by current policies as we speak. I for one look forward to the day when this government is so pounded by housing losses, we get the hell out of the housing subsidy business.

The government has exposed the true nature of the mega-banks and their relationship to the citizens. In the coming difficult days, will we the people remember who put us in this situation? One can hope. But I don’t think the end game has come over the horizon for the central banks, etc. We have far to go here in the US, and the Asian/Australian/Canadian bubbles are still growing.

Most important, is what we do as individuals. Plot our courses, act, protect our loved ones. And think independently; to hell with what the media or government says is reality.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 12:46:57

“The GSEs are done, not saved. Banks fail all the time. The FHA is being destroyed by current policies as we speak. ”

Ben, your circumspection is always deeply appreciated…

“I for one look forward to the day when this government is so pounded by housing losses, we get the hell out of the housing subsidy business.”

as well as your eternal optimism.

But I, for one, wonder whether the government will ever even get past the denial stage regarding the harmful effects of the ever-escalating levels of housing subsidies they have built into the system, one on top of the other. If they never even admit to the cause of the problem, what would possibly compel them to fix it?

 
Comment by OCBear
2010-03-27 12:50:39

“IMO, the government hasn’t accomplished a damn thing, except to make the inevitable landing harder.”

Extending things and making the landing Harder is accomplishing something. Not a good something but it does not alter the fact that it reaches a different end.

We will never know what would of happened if they would of let the Banks fail. Personally, I think they should have and we would be closer to a bottom and sustainable growth.

I saw Elizabeth Warren Interviewed once and the talking heads kept pushing her to say the bail-outs were necessary, this is a paraphrase of her response:

“If your view of the World is that of the Dinosaurs that roam the earth, the 5 mega-Banks, than yes your world would be markedly different. If your view of the world is that of 130 million American Households who go out each day and produce and live, not so much.”

She earned my respect with that comment.

I beleive the Government Programs have delay’d things and we will all pay for them through purchasing power lost and eventual Tax Increases. I hope I am wrong. We have already been hammered in CA., on the state tax side. They changed the Tax Withholding Books last summer & everyone owes in CA..

I am just so sick of the commentary that Government intervention has had a net zero effect. They have extended this thing farther and at greater expense than I could of imagined. If others knew they were going to throw Tax Payer obligation at this thing to the tune of several Trillion Dollars, I certainly missed those comments in 2005.

 
Comment by mofa
2010-03-27 13:44:05

These are very interesting times. Despite considering myself to be one of the most risk-averse people around, a year ago I walked away from a 25 year career and transferred into a new business area which I think will have better long-term viability. Of course, I can’t just hope that it will do well, so now, in my late 40s, I’m working six and seven day weeks, pulling all-nighters as if I were back in college, and generally living in a state of complete terror. There’s nowhere to go but up!

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 16:06:59

“…a year ago I walked away from a 25 year career and transferred into a new business area which I think will have better long-term viability.”

Bless your heart, and good luck this new endeavor brings you rich returns (both financial and spiritual)…

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-27 18:34:16

My business and a few others I know is in the toilet. I’m glad other are doing well, but many of us aren’t.

 
 
Comment by Lenderoflastresort
2010-03-27 22:00:59

So, where is NHZ? He warned us about all this, the gov’t propping up home values in the Netherlands. He was so on target. I miss him. NHZ, come back!

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Comment by Blue Skye
2010-03-27 11:08:11

LOL, my landlord is in that camp thinking that the momentum is still building under skyrocketing real estate prices. He is up to his eyeballs in debt but will not let go of the fantasy!

I am expecting to benefit greatly from his greed, as it has pushed me off the fence to persue some life long dreams. I’m about 60% done downsizing and packing out. It is starting to feel exhilirating.

 
 
Comment by scdave
2010-03-27 10:34:29

Prices are going back up. In my community of Eureka

Yeah but what happens when your #1 industry goes away ?? Its common knowledge that MJ production and the underground cash that it generates holds up many a community in Homboldt County….That could all end on November 2, 2010….

Comment by arizonadude
2010-03-27 14:11:28

The timber industry built that region.That industry is going away fast in ca because of reguation.Pretty soon we will import all of our wood in ca from canada and other us states.

 
Comment by Anthony
2010-03-27 16:20:57

That is true. And many of the dope dealers, who also own multiple investment properties for grows or because “real estate never goes down” are scared of the legalization issue. Some have put figures that the price of weed will fall from $3K/lb down to $500/lb or lower with legalization.

Already, there was a county commission meeting on how to deal with the threat of lower dope prices. “Wine and weed” tours were one idea, and also stoner cruises on Humboldt Bay. They are attempting to do to this area what wine did to our southern neighbors, Sonoma and Napa.

Bottom line is, dope and the resultant underground economy here kept housing prices stable during the biggest credit deleveraging in history. It is like “Miami Vice” here…excess and expense does not depend on the lumber industry, jobs, retirees, etc. It does depend on the drug trade–legal or illegal.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 16:29:44

“Prices are going back up.”

I will send a cable post hast to let The Economist writers know of your findings. Perhaps it is not too late for them to retract this article in their current edition (link posted below…).

Property prices
Waiting for the other shoe to drop
Fears are growing of a second dip in the housing market

Mar 25th 2010 | WASHINGTON, DC | From The Economist print edition

IN ITS early days, the Obama administration argued over whether the financial system or the real economy should be the economic priority. Critics disputed the premise. They argued that no lasting recovery would be possible until housing markets were healthier.

Yet the housing-market recovery has almost run out of steam. Sales of new and existing homes have fallen for three consecutive months. As a result inventories have grown, putting downward pressure on home values. According to some measures, prices are dropping again: the Federal Housing Finance Agency reported national declines in December and January.

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-27 09:36:04

During the Great Depression Lenders did a lot of rent back situations ,
instead of foreclosure or along with foreclosure . Of course a lot of the foreclosures were on farms in those days . You lose the productiveness of the farm as well as the job that the farmer had when you foreclose on a
farm.

Today someone loosing a house they can’t afford is not a loss of anything but a unsustainable debt by faulty lending ,especially if it was simply gambler speculation behind the purchase .

They are misunderstanding some of the bail outs of the Great Depression
and Wall Street tends to be dishonest this way in twisting concepts for their own benefit . Just as claiming that capitalism is bad is a faulty claim in that regulated capitalism with the rule of law is necessary .
The Pig Men talked Politicians into removing regulations and the rule of law and transparency for no other purpose than to create money making schemes that are the opposite of productive capitalism .

 
Comment by OCBear
2010-03-27 09:38:37

A Bold U.S. Plan to Help Struggling Homeowners

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/27/business/27modify.html

“To lubricate its efforts, the government plans to spread taxpayers’”

ROFL

Finally a Journalist got something right. Spit out my coffee when I read that line, too damn funny

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 12:43:14

“To lubricate its efforts, the government plans to spread taxpayers’”

I suppose the taxpayer is first required to drop his drawers, bend over and squeal like a pig? ‘Wheeeeee!…’

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-27 18:37:41

That is too funny!

 
 
Comment by eastcoaster
2010-03-27 09:40:13

Made it through the inspection ~ my first one ever. What a process!

No huge surprises, but a few things that (in my opinion) warrant credit back or lowering the price (and if neither happens, I’m ok with walking away).

Biggest issues are some termite damage (minor, apparently, but affecting one of the main double beams in the house; recommendation is to add a sister beam and have the property treated). Also, the HVAC system is over 20 years old and needs replaced (age was not known in seller disclosure). Currently runs out the chimney that should have been lined, but was not. Recommendation is to replace with system that vents out the foundation and close off the chimney.

Also, I knew the windows were original (with triple track storms), but the inspector found some sashes to be soft so he said replacing the windows sooner rather than later would be best. There are 18 windows to be replaced; 3 of them, however, I would replace with a bay window eventually. So out of the gate, I’d be replacing 15.

And there was other minor stuff along the way - not at all atypical for a 60 year old house. Good news was roof is solid, plumbing and electric all good, and walkout basement is bone-dry - even without a sump pump!

My plan of attack is to discuss either lowering the price of the house (I’d like it reduced by $15,000 - 20,000) and repairing everything myself. Or, having her repair the termite damage and giving me a credit towards some of the other work.

To be continued.

Comment by Blue Skye
2010-03-27 10:57:16

I’ve heard it is nearly impossible to kill an established termite colony, and they do not live in the house, rather in the ground beyond. More insidious than a mortgage.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 12:13:00

They most commonly build nests in the ground, but can nest inside wood.. usually inside dead trees or on the surface of live ones, but inside large timbers also.

In any case, from what little I’ve read they are insidious, and it’s best to hire a specialist to diagnose the extent of the problem and to deal with them.

But if the mortgage payments don’t allow enough money for food, termites are very nutritious.. They are best gently roasted on a hot plate or lightly fried until slightly crisp; oil is not usually needed since their bodies are naturally high in oil.

Comment by WHYoung
2010-03-27 15:05:32

If i remember correctly, they inject insecticides in the ground around your foundation to kill the termite colonies and prevent a recurrence.

Don’t think you can safely grow edibles (herbs and vegetables) in those areas.

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Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 23:19:11

Turns out there’s one type (or a species) called drywood termites. They live in dry wood and “They require no contact with the soil or with any other source of moisture..”

http://www.oldhouseweb.com/how-to-advice/termites-ants-and-other-wood-destroying-organisms.shtml

hmm.. says here proper chemical treatment can keep termites at bay for 25 years..

If the objective is to find reasons eastcoaster can justify the largest price reduction possible, or just to insure the house is properly priced, i still say an expert needs to be called in..

I mean.. they might need to fumigate the whole house, depending on the specifics of the infestation.

 
 
 
 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-27 12:21:17

East how much $$$ is the house? Sounds like reasonable repairs needed on an old house.

 
Comment by Lenderoflastresort
2010-03-27 22:07:15

Have a second inspection. Get someone tough. The termite damage is probably worse than it looks.

 
Comment by B. Durbin
2010-03-28 16:11:05

Do you live in a state with required disclosure of prior inspections? I know that we had free access to prior inspections done on properties. (We withdrew an offer on a house because it had a roof that needed to be replaced, for ex.)

The value of such disclosure is that you can use that as part of your negotiating tactics– “Future buyers will know all of these issues out of the gate, and you’ll have to drop your price anyway…”

 
 
Comment by Housing Wizard
2010-03-27 10:15:37

Anthony …….Bankers/ Ponzi-schemes are the protected class . They protected the systems that mastermind bubbles for unearned gain . Big Investment firms going out of business as well as being sued silly for their fraud would of been the necessary correction .

These bail outs didn’t help the man on the street . The government
extracted funds from different sectors to bail out unproductive Pozi-schemes . This rescue is just as unproductive as trying to bail out a gambler speculator in a over-priced house that crashed in value were that borrower couldn’t sustain that bogus toxic loan that was designed for leverage .

The gig is to put the losses on the taxpayers books with the idea that
by bail outs and incentives you can increase that fake value again and that will make the bag-holders whole because investment banks did not have the reserves or sustainability to be their own bag-holders ,just as
gambler borrowers can’t be .

The interference won’t work because it was a epic fake value increase that it would take years to actually go up based on true value based on true incomes and sustainability .

It’s just like Health Insurance Companies raising policy prices in a recession .In fact ,all prices these days are not based on true capitalism anymore and thats why we are not getting value for the dollar in any way . Do you think that the crap from slave labor is value when it last a quarter of the time ,fills up more landfills quicker ,is made with inferior plastic and there is evidence of many potential poisons in products ,such as drywall . The worker or the consumer is not gaining ,but something is
gaining a unearned profit from this and I will let you guess who/what it is .

Comment by arizonadude
2010-03-27 10:40:32

It seems wall street keeps coming up with these ponzi schemes and then the govt steps in when sh@t hit the fan.The poor people are losing their homes thanks to bad decsions and now the govt comes to the rescue based on the good of the economy.why dont they go after wall street to recoup losses so they can help people.This keeps playing out over and over.wall street creates a bubble the sheeple jump and then get cleaned out and then the govt comes in to save them, classic.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 12:51:24

Always remember, a closely watched pot never boils over.

Another thing: According to The Economist’s writers, weather is the main problem facing the U.S. housing market. Once the red hot spring sales season gets underway, the market will take off again like a rocket.

Property prices
Waiting for the other shoe to drop
Fears are growing of a second dip in the housing market

Mar 25th 2010 | WASHINGTON, DC | From The Economist print edition

IN ITS early days, the Obama administration argued over whether the financial system or the real economy should be the economic priority. Critics disputed the premise. They argued that no lasting recovery would be possible until housing markets were healthier.

Yet the housing-market recovery has almost run out of steam. Sales of new and existing homes have fallen for three consecutive months. As a result inventories have grown, putting downward pressure on home values. According to some measures, prices are dropping again: the Federal Housing Finance Agency reported national declines in December and January.

Things looked rosier last autumn. An $8,000 homebuyer tax credit helped stabilise both prices and sales, while Federal Reserve purchases of mortgage-backed securities held down mortgage rates. House values climbed across the country, and existing-house sales hit levels not seen since the end of the boom in early 2007. By September building-industry confidence had more than doubled from January’s all-time record low, generating optimism about new employment. Anxious to keep the recovery going, Congress extended the tax-credit programme to the end of April this year. But the magic has not survived the winter.

America’s weak labour market deserves much of the blame. Job losses continue to drive loan defaults. Foreclosures declined from January to February, but remained above 300,000 for a 12th consecutive month. Bank sales of foreclosed properties are depressing prices further and dampening the industry’s hopes (see chart). The latest data show declines in both builder confidence and new housing starts.

The weather hasn’t helped. Fierce winter storms hit house-hunting in January and February. But with prices, sales, construction and builder confidence all losing ground and foreclosures still frequent, there is growing concern that the housing-market stabilisation of 2009 was entirely a product of market interventions, most of which are about to end.

This pessimism may be overdone. With the deadline to take advantage of the housing tax credit looming and with better weather on the way, potential buyers kept indoors by February snow may rush into the market.

Comment by SaladSD
2010-03-27 17:31:49

Um, like there’s never been “fierce” winter storms each and every January or February? They act as if winter weather is an anomaly.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 18:26:19

The “weather is to blame for bad economic data releases” meme is ubiquitous these days…

 
 
 
Comment by Bill in Los Angeles
2010-03-27 12:52:32

Has anyone here noticed more beggars than normal? I just came back from a grocery store and some man who did not look the type asked if I had some spare change. He looked kinda like Dave Ramsey.

I said no. He thanked me and walked off. He could probably see from my expression when he first said “Excuse me sir…” that I anticipated what he was up to.

This is in a good part of Torrance.

In retrospect, he must be new at begging. The rule for them is you ask people before they go into the stores, not after. That way people fear their car getting scratched up and hand over some change.

I have several questions that will remain unanswered from him since I said no. 1) FB? 2) Screwed by a divorce? 3) out of a job? 4) HELOCed like crazy? 5) Foreclosure?

Comment by combotechie
2010-03-27 16:01:23

“This is in a good part of Torrance.”

If I were to beg for money I would go to where the money was.

In the good part of Torrance people are more likely have money than in that bad part of Torrance.

Comment by combotechie
2010-03-27 16:14:25

Plus there is probably less competition. Bad areas are filled with bums, not so the good areas.

Same goes for burglars. People who live in Compton have bars on their windows because burglary is rampant even though people who live their are poor and have little to steal, whereas people who live in Beverly Hills don’t have bars on their windows even though they have lots of stuff to steal.

This only makes sense if you consider the average burglar has little sense to begin with, otherwise he wouldn’t be a burglar.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 17:27:02

“This only makes sense if you consider the average burglar has little sense to begin with, otherwise he wouldn’t be a burglar.”

Other issues the ‘average burglar’ must consider:

1) High travel costs of getting to where the rich folks live versus just targeting your neighbors

2) More target hardening in wealthier areas (better policing, burglar alarm systems, etc) increase the probability of getting caught

3) There may be a higher probability of harsh punishment if you break into a rich guy’s home (I would have to check into that one to be sure…)

4) The average burglar might stand out far more visibly in the rich area of town than back in the ‘hood

I have personal anecdotal evidence suggesting that despite the above considerations, burglars do occasionally enter homes in wealthy areas (such as when my grandmother had to scare a burglar out of my aunt’s home in the richest part of town).

To support my point about travel costs, I also have a friend whose home invasion robbers turned out to be the next door neighbors. Even though they moved to a lower-crime area of town, said friend’s wife more-or-less went insane after the incident, eventually resulting in breakup of friend’s family.

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Comment by Itsabouttime
2010-03-27 23:28:35

On the other hand, why not just set up shop on Wall Street. It has never been truer–why rob a (house or) bank when you can rob people with a (house or) bank?

IAT

 
 
 
 
Comment by dude
2010-03-27 18:00:01

I’ll agree with this observation. Many more street people in the west SF valley as well.

 
 
Comment by ACH
2010-03-27 15:52:45

It was a beautiful spring day today! I went riding my Airhead (BMW R75/6 for the uninitiated) in the cool spring sunshine.

The trees were the light green of new growth and the flowers were just knocked out. I’m still waiting on the Camellias to bloom.

There was a lot of pollen in the air so I had a nice big, “productive” sneeze in a full face motorcycle helmet.

I love spring motorcycle riding. Just beautiful.

Roidy

 
Comment by aNYCdj
2010-03-27 16:33:11

A-Rod might be evicted if his rented apartment sells.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/realestate/28deal1.html?ref=realestate

 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 18:09:35

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=anl9vTKXKYyk&pos=10

JP Morgan, Lehman, and other banks charged as co-conspirators in rigging the municipal bond market, following lawsuits by municipalities. They’ll get off with a slap on the wrist, of course, but its nice to see some of their victims going after them in court.

Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 18:24:45

“They’ll get off with a slap on the wrist, of course,…”

Wouldn’t it be cool if one of these scandals resulted in a surprise firing of the CEO? Course, I suppose most of the world was shocked when Ken Lay’s Enron went up in flames; not sure why it couldn’t happen to a scandal-ridden Wall Street Megabank or two?

 
Comment by ecofeco
2010-03-27 18:43:59

About time.

 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 21:43:03

“March 26 (Bloomberg) — JPMorgan Chase & Co., Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and UBS AG were among more than a dozen Wall Street firms involved in a conspiracy to pay below-market interest rates to U.S. state and local governments on investments, according to documents filed in a U.S. Justice Department criminal antitrust case. ”

OK, so here is a really, REALLY dumb question:

Why wouldn’t it be a conspiracy if the Fed rigged interest rates so that savers get next to zero on savings but have to borrow at high rates, while Megabank, Inc gets to borrow from the Fed at zero but lend at high rates? Sounds to me like lending discrimination against small entities (U.S. households and small businesses), but then I don’t claim to be any kind of banking law expert. (I hope Polly feels free to step in and complain that I am again imagining laws that don’t exist…)

 
 
Comment by Sammy Schadenfreude
2010-03-27 18:15:12

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-korea-famine25-2010mar25,0,3828796,full.story

Brainwashed dupes losing faith in their Dear Leader after years of economic stagnation, government mismanagement, and a collapse in the value of their currency that has left them starving and living a troglodyte existence.

No, not here - not yet, anyway. North Korea.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 21:25:20

I read someplace that N Koreans have actually lost a couple inches in physical height over the last generation or so… blamed on poor diet.

sigh.. now i gotta look it up.. lets see.. Wiki has something, but it’s not what i recall reading.

…Young South Koreans are about 12 cm (4.7 inches) taller than their North Korean counterparts, on average.

There is also an extreme difference between older North Koreans and young North Koreans who grew up during the famines of the 1990s-2000s.

North Korean and South Korean adults older than 40, who were raised when the North and South’s economies were about equal, are generally of the same average height.

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 18:16:00

I still don’t get how the new cramdown program will deal with mortgages that were sliced and diced then packaged into MBS with myriad other mortgages. Maybe if the Fed has snapped up enough toxic MBS, they will be able to play the role of the “investor” agreeing to writedowns?

Need help lifting a mortgage burden?
Getting a loan modification requires tenacity and patience.

By Lesley Mitchell

The Salt Lake Tribune
Updated: 03/20/2010 01:18:22 PM MDT

Roz Dalebout is fighting to keep her home, and she’s not alone.

The Salt Lake City homeowner, who has faced several financial setbacks in recent years, first contacted her lender last June when she began to worry about her ability to pay her mortgage each month.

Like many others who are struggling, her only hope was a loan modification, in which a lender agrees either to lower the interest rate, extend the life of the loan or defer some of the amount owed, all of which can lower the monthly mortgage payment.

But nine months and countless calls later, she’s still waiting to find out whether she qualifies. Selling her home probably isn’t an option because with the housing market’s downturn, she probably can’t sell it for enough to cover her mortgage.

“I’m scared to death I’m going to lose my home,” she said.

Nationally, hundreds of thousands of homeowners such as Dalebout are being considered for help under loan modification programs. But housing advocates, analysts and others warn that most of those borrowers will eventually lose their homes. Even the widely touted $75 billion foreclosure-prevention program pushed by the Obama administration has helped about 170,000 homeowners in the past year out of up to 4 million in need of assistance.

One reason for the low rate of success is the complex way mortgages are originated, sold and packaged to investors.

The company a homeowner makes payments to often is only
servicing the loan. After a loan is originated it is sold to investors on what’s called the secondary market. It’s the investors, such as pension funds or hedge funds, that own the loan as part of a bundle of mortgages, and they must provide permission for any modifications.

Even in good economic conditions, it takes time for modification plans to be approved. Investors must determine whether modifying a mortgage will result in less of a loss than refusing to make concessions to the homeowner, or even letting the home fall into foreclosure.

With the Great Recession, however, the high volume of modification requests is slowing down that decision-making process even more.

Further complicating matters are the personal situations of homeowners, some of whom have multiple mortgages on their properties.

Comment by Lenderoflastresort
2010-03-27 22:34:26

I have no mortgage, having sold my house in 2005. Yeah!

Comment by Lenderoflastresort
2010-03-27 22:36:58

And they paid me 175K profit to do it! Yeah!

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 18:21:18

Standard MSM conventional wisdom: The housing market will recover within ten years.

Professor Bear’s question: How do ‘they’ know we won’t go down the path of Japan, which is down for two decades, with no recovery in sight?
How will FB’s feel if they spend the next twenty years paying off a loan whose underlying never recovers to even the value of the original principal balance? The principal certainly would not end up being the FB’s “pal” in that case, would it?

Underwater in your mortgage? Options have consequences

Before you walk away from your home, experts advise weighing the alternatives.

By Christine Dugas

USA Today
Updated: 03/26/2010 04:36:25 PM MDT

Utah’s deflated housing market, spurred by a continued increase in demand, will see a reflection of its former self.

More home owners are walking away from their mortgages, even if they can keep up the payments.

Falling into foreclosure — voluntarily or not — has become less taboo for many people as they have watched their home values tumble far below the amount they owe, putting them underwater.

Purposely defaulting on a mortgage, often called “strategic default,” may be a very rational personal finance decision, but it’s not without major consequences. And it’s not necessarily the best option for anyone underwater who can afford to make monthly mortgage payments but who does not want to wait up to 10 years for the housing market to turn around.

Comment by GH
2010-03-27 20:25:03

Japan has a quiet secret little off-shoring problem of their own… This is the real reason that Japan never recovered. If you think China is close here, picture how much closer that vanishingly cheap labor is there…

 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 19:26:22

Posted on Friday, 03.26.10
New mortgage plan still has holes, White House concedes
By Kevin G. Hall
McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON — The White House Version 2.0 mortgage-relief plan announced on Friday is a recognition that the moribund housing sector poses a grave threat to the nation’s economic recovery. By the administration’s own admission, however, the effort may save at best only a third of the homes facing foreclosure in coming years.

The new measures, funded through $50 billion already set aside for mortgage relief, seek to provide three-to-six-months of temporary help for newly unemployed homeowners in making mortgage payments.

They also ease the refinancing of mortgages now valued well above the current home price — so-called underwater mortgages — and give incentives to issuers of piggyback mortgages to get out of the way and allow a mortgage modification to happen.

The effort to have banks forgive principal gives greater incentive for homeowners in foreclosure-troubled states such as California, Florida, Arizona and Nevada to stay in their homes rather than hand the keys back to the bank, which would swell the glut of vacant or bank-owned homes on the market — and further depress home prices.

The White House was careful not to raise expectations too high, noting that up to 12 million foreclosures still could occur during the next three years. The new program seeks to help at most 4 million of those homeowners.

One in four homeowners is thought to be underwater, or owe more on a mortgage than the home’s underlying value, according to researcher First American CoreLogic, a number that threatens to swamp refinance efforts.

Friday’s proposals follow a steadily growing drumbeat of criticism about administration efforts to prod lenders and investors in housing securities to modify distressed mortgages aggressively. After a year of effort, fewer than 200,000 permanent modifications have taken place.

“We’re trying to adjust to changing circumstances over time,” Assistant Treasury Secretary Herbert Allison explained during the White House rollout of the upgraded mortgage relief program.

Advocacy groups have criticized the administration’s prior effort as too timid. Elizabeth Warren, a Harvard University professor who heads the special Congressional Oversight Panel that oversees the expenditure of taxpayer bailout money, for months has warned that the Home Affordable Mortgage Program wasn’t even keeping up with the pace of new foreclosure notices.

Lawmakers too have been pressuring Team Obama to give more aid to unemployed homeowners, especially those with good payment histories.

“While clearly there are some people in trouble on their mortgages who bear some of the responsibility for their plight, this is not true of the unemployed who are fully deserving of this help,” said Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee.

Comment by joeyinCalif
2010-03-27 22:06:54

I wonder how long it would take to sell those millions of foreclosures to able buyers if prices suddenly bottomed out.

Would enough be sold, quickly enough that the fresh flow of money insures that the financial system remains stable, employment isn’t negatively impacted and, in general, the economy doesn’t starve to death in the interim?

I mean, if they all sold immediately there wouldn’t be the slightest pause in bank or business incomes.
Of course they won’t sell immediately.. it will take some amount of time.

Someone should work out a theoretical, average bottom price, based on current and future inventory. Then estimate how many stable buyers can and will buy at that price. In other words, predict supply and demand.
Also figure out how quickly these millions of properties can be readied for sale. Some legislative and judicial short cuts might be required to move things along quickly.

While it’s somewhat of a gamble because all we can do is guess, it may be that the economy is likely to suffer little while allowing foreclosures to happen, prices to fall, and inventory to flood the market.

 
Comment by Lenderoflastresort
2010-03-27 22:59:38

The new program seeks to help at most 4 million of those homeowners. Translation: It will help about 100,000 jealous, bitter bank lessees. I’m with combo: throw the JBL’s (Jealous Bitter Lessees) a bone every 2 months so they keep paying. We need these bovine fellows to keep paying.

Comment by Lenderoflastresort
2010-03-27 23:01:39

Oh. I meant lessees from the bank!

 
 
 
Comment by Professor Bear
2010-03-27 21:33:23

My hunch how this plays out sequentially:

1) Housing stimulus exhausts the supply of under-$500K, leaving only homes in the $500K+ tier that most prospective San Diego home owners do not qualify to buy.

2) Homes priced above $500K either drop a lot in price or never sell.

3) Homes that sold for under $500K in 2010 drop in value, even though the new owners won’t find out unless they have to sell, as their values get smashed down by falling prices in the high end of the market. For instance, if a home that used to cost $600K fell to $450K in value, lesser quality homes that used to sell for $450K will have to fall still farther to restore hedonic equilibrium.

Home / Business
HOUSING: As peak selling season begins, parts of market red-hot

Buyers find more leverage in SW Riverside and in higher-priced SD neighborhoods

By ERIC WOLFF - ewolff@nctimes.com | Posted: March 27, 2010 8:17

buy this photo Independent contractor Clark Damico hangs a For Sale sign in the front yard of an Oceanside home Wednesday morning. (Photo by Jamie Scott Lytle - Staff photographer)

Even in 2008 and 2009, when the unpredictable real estate market demanded steel nerves and a tortoise’s persistence, the warm-weather months were also the high season for buying and selling a home.

In those years, agents sold about 200 more homes per month between May and October than they did in the other months, according to the North San Diego County Association of Realtors.

Now, as the peak selling season approaches, homebuyers and sellers dipping their toes into the market may be surprised at what they find: Overbuilding in Southwest Riverside County and among high-priced homes in San Diego County has lowered prices for buyers, but federal policies have created a market for sub-$400,000 homes in San Diego County that has gotten downright hot. While many of these policies are set to expire this spring, real estate agents and economists said the impact won’t be felt until next year.

How hot is that lower tier? Scorching. According to the Case-Shiller Home Price Index, which measures the change in housing prices, home values rose at an annual rate of 12.9 percent between June and December 2009.

Interest rates are artificially low; FHA is allowing low down payments; it’s nuts,” said Chris Thornberg, an economist with Beacon Economics. “We’re reindulging in the same excesses that got us into the housing mess in the first place. We’re seeing the re-emergence of a minibubble.

In the wake of the housing market collapse that followed an extraordinary boom in the 2000s, the federal and state governments installed policies that, intentionally or not, induced buyers into the market while cutting down on the number of homes available.

The cost of purchase for all homes has been held down by Federal Reserve policies that kept mortgage interest rates under 5 percent, and by the market collapse that pushed values in San Diego and Riverside counties down 40 to 50 percent from a 2006 peak, according to data from MDS DataQuick.

As if that weren’t enough, the Federal Housing Administration backs loans with low down payments for new homebuyers purchasing lower-priced homes; and the Internal Revenue Service offers an $8,000 tax credit to buyers who haven’t owned a home in three years, and $6,500 to homeowners who want to move. In the past, lower prices, government incentives and cheap financing have provided the ingredients for a favorable market for homebuyers.

But analysts say the supply of lower-priced homes is artificially tight, as owners try federal home loan modifications and banks delay foreclosures or approval of “short sales,” in which borrowers seek permission to sell for less than the mortgage balance.

Back to the 2000s?

This combination of stoked demand and curtailed supply has caused a return to double-digit inflation in the overall housing market in San Diego County.

The 12.9 percent annual growth rate since June in the median price was driven largely by a 20.1 percent annual growth rate between June and December among homes priced under $304,000. Those homes pushed the countywide median up last month to $322,000, 13 percent over the previous February, according to MDS DataQuick.

 
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